Chuck Hagel Isn't Just A Bad Choice For Secretary Of Defense, He's A Fundamentally Unserious One

We're going to have a hot mess of a confirmation fight over Obama's pick of Chuck Hagel to head DoD. Right now the battle lines are being drawn over some hot button political issues like how much Hagel loves or hates Israel, gays and the Iraq surge.

Honestly, I find those mostly irrelevant to Hagel's consideration. Should Hagel's views on these matters form part of people's decision on him? Of course but there are much larger issues that should be explored and considered as well.

The Secretary of Defense is in every sense a huge job with two main parts...management and strategic.

Does Hagel have the experience and skill set to run not just the world's premiere military force but also one of its largest bureaucracies? There are about 2.25 million men and women in uniform (including reserves/Guard) and another 800,000 or so civilian employees who work for the Department of Defense. Managing that many people across the globe on a budget of $664 billion is as much of the job as sitting in the White House Situation room watching live video of SEAL raids.

Hagel has held some small and mid-level type executive positions (Deputy Administrator of the VA back in 1981) but nothing that seems likely to prepare him for the challenges a Secretary of Defense has to cope with.

At a time when the military is going to have to do as much, if not more, with less a strong manager is going to be key in the years ahead. There's simply no reason to believe that Hagel can do that.

Sure he can have a top-notch Deputy handle the nuts and bolts of that for him (though there is already one there who was floated as a potential choice, so he's unlikely to stay) but ultimately the man with the big office has to drive the organization.

If Hagel doesn't wow with his administrative skills, then surely his strategic vision is world class. I don't see any evidence of that.

Here's Hagel in 2009 writing about the nature of the post-Cold War/War on Terror world

We can no longer hold ourselves to narrow "single issue" engagement when dealing with nations such as China, Russia, India, Brazil, Turkey or South Korea. The United States needs all these countries and many more if we are to engage the most dangerous challenges -- not one at a time but all together. Our relationships with these nations have matured since World War II, as these nations have matured. Does anyone believe we will get to a responsible resolution on Iran without Russia? There's a reason we are part of a Group of 20 rather than a G-8. Even the world's largest economies cannot handle today's problems alone.

Global collaboration does not mean retreating from our standards, values or sovereignty. Development of seamless networks of intelligence gathering and sharing, and strengthening alliances, diplomatic cooperation, trade and development can make the biggest long-term difference and have the most lasting impact on building a more stable and secure world. There really are people and organizations committed to destroying America, and we need an agile, flexible and strong military to face these threats. How, when and where we use force are as important as the decision to use it. Relying on the use of force as a centerpiece of our global strategy, as we have in recent years, is economically, strategically and politically unsustainable and will result in unnecessary tragedy -- especially for the men and women, and their families, who serve our country.

I don't know if deep down Hagel believes this stuff or if it's just think-tank pablum.

Yes, international cooperation is fine but we can't be blinded by some utopian vision that all countries share the same definition of what the right outcome is. Russia and China will cooperate with us when it's in their interests to do so or like Libya they'll sit it out if it doesn't cost them anything. But the idea that there's some sort of grand bargain to be struck that will address all or many of the major global problems is naive at best, dangerous at worst.

Whether China is maturing enough as a global power to see the value in a stable world regime is to be seen. But whatever value they place on a particular regime we can't be blind to the reality that they seem themselves as a regional and increasingly world leader. They will want stability once they have leveraged chaos and conflict to their maximum advantage. Russia is the same as are regional actors such as Iran and emerging powers such as Brazil.

To think we aren't in a near-zero sum competition even with "friends" and "partners" let alone professed enemies is ridiculous.

So Hagel's overall worldview is, to be charitable, questionable at best. Perhaps on specific issues he has some genuinely important insights. Again, I don't see any evidence of this.

Here's Hagel on the "Arab Spring" in February of 2011.

Continued long-standing U.S.-Egyptian military-to-military relationships will be vital to U.S. policy and Egypt's democratic transition. There are early positive signs that the Egyptian military establishment, now in charge in Egypt, is fulfilling its commitments to the Egyptian people. It convened a distinguished and credible panel of Christians, Muslims and respected jurists to revise the country's constitution. Military exchange programs over decades have exposed Egyptian military leaders to U.S. military doctrine and culture, including civilian control of the military and respect for human rights and rule of law. This built a foundation for personal and professional bonds between Egyptian and American generals. However, Egypt is still very much a work in progress.

Although we may be on the cusp of some real democratic reform in the Middle East, the future direction of other individual countries in this region cannot be generalized based upon Egypt.

Yes well, history has shown that Hagel's belief in the soothing influence of Egypt's military was badly misplaced. Yes, this is hindsight but it's not as if there was a dearth of voices waring that the fall of Mubarak would lead to the take over of Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood.

And oh yeah, he thinks we should talk to Hamas and we should talk to Hamas and opposed sanctions on Iran (these are US security issues, not simply a stand in for how one feels about Israel). ">opposed sanctions on Iran (these are US security issues, not just a stand in for how he feels about Israel).

Recent Secretary's of Defense such as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Gates and Leon Panetta have combined high level management experience with extensive real world strategic thinking. Hagel fails on both these criteria.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:31 AM



Comments

1 harrumpf

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 07, 2013 11:33 AM (evdj2)

2 How about RGII for SEc DEf?

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:34 AM (BoE3Z)

3
Chuck Hagel isn't just a bad choice for Secretary of Defense, he's a fundamentally unserious one.[b/]


Shocka.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 07, 2013 11:34 AM (zgHLA)

4 fffuuu

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 07, 2013 11:34 AM (zgHLA)

5 So what else is new?

Posted by: eman at January 07, 2013 11:35 AM (EWsrI)

6 Isn't Hagel supposed to be another Harriet Myers?

This isn't his real pick, but designed to get the fight over with and to capture everyone's attention so they don't focus in on the next obamacare bills, immigration and the second amendment?

Posted by: Caustic at January 07, 2013 11:35 AM (/b8+5)

7 Hagel is there to do obama's bidding which is to destroy the Military and destroy American leadership and exceptionalism in the World.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:35 AM (9Bj8R)

8 Everyone that Obama nominates is still way more qualified for their postion than he is as President.

Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2013 11:35 AM (VndSC)

9 Does Hagel have the experience and skill set


No.


Ohhhhhh nice barrel save!


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 07, 2013 11:35 AM (VtjlW)

10 2 How about RGII for SEc DEf?

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:34 AM (BoE3Z)


How about Ray Lewis? I hear he'll be available.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 07, 2013 11:36 AM (Qxe/p)

11 Barry Sotero, bringing the Peter principal to every level of government.

Posted by: rockhead at January 07, 2013 11:36 AM (jtTKf)

12 Didn't Hagel write that book, "All I Ever Needed to Know About the World I Learned in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?' "

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 07, 2013 11:36 AM (XkWWK)

13 Pablum is a polite word for that blather. There is nothing in those paragraphs that means anything.

"...we need an agile, flexible and strong military..."

Fucking brilliant!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (GsoHv)

14 Obama is simply showing his whimsical side.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (BoE3Z)

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (5DR1j)

16
Hagel as Sec Def, Brennan as CIA and the JEF as CinC all have one thing in common. Theyall believe we can and must partner with Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Probably the Taliban as well.I wouldn't even be surprised if, at the end of these four long years, we areholdinghands with Al Qaeda.
We are screwed.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (Dnbau)

17 This isn't his real pick, but designed to get the fight over with and to
capture everyone's attention so they don't focus in on the next
obamacare bills, immigration and the second amendment?


Hmmmmmm, interesting. I'm not sure a big loss helps him do that, though, and there seems to be a pretty significant chance of that happening, given the number of Dem senators who oppose him.

Posted by: pep at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (USJNU)

18
The fun part is, Obama's trapped. After backing down on Rice, if he backs down here, he looks weak, and then the hyenas pounce. But since the Democrats don't want to nominate a Republican-- especially an anti-gay Republican-- he'll either be nominated by a vary narrow margin, or he crashes and burns.


Good thing I have some popcorn. And that yellow grease I prefer to butter.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (zgHLA)

19 Mmmm. Yellow grease.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (O7Q1u)

20 "Fundamentally Unserious"


Sums up this administration quite nicely.

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (fWAjv)

21 Ebola wants whatever is the worst choice for the USA.



Posted by: eman at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (EWsrI)

22 13
Pablum is a polite word for that blather. There is nothing in those paragraphs that means anything.

"...we need an agile, flexible and strong military..."

Fucking brilliant!


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (GsoHv)
Yes, as opposed to a clumsy, fossilized and weak military. Even the God Emperor wouldn't say that.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (BoE3Z)

23 Fo Mo Years!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (VK2FK)

24 His thinking on the issues in the past is in line with the President's. He is not a suspected enemy agent. He can't be much worse than Gates and there is no evidence he is a drunk. Confirm him. There are more important issues to focus on than this appointment.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (eEfYn)

25 The question is moot.


Wait ... what?!

Posted by: mayan calendar at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (evdj2)

26 As much as I hate to quote Linseed, I think he's probably right in that this is an "in your face" sort of nom. He's doing it because he was told he shouldn't. IOW, he is an adolescent male.

Posted by: pep at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (USJNU)

27 @23 - Mo Fo Years

Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (VndSC)

28 obama is going for the full monte in these next 4 years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (9Bj8R)

29 That's why movie theater popcorn is so good. Yellow grease. They ask if I want butter, but I'm always, "Nah, don't treat me special."

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (zgHLA)

30 No worries. If Hagel doesn't get the gig SCOAMF has Keith Ellison and Billy Ayers on deck...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (XkWWK)

31 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 07, 2013 11:36 AM (XkWWK)

Nice.

I love the anti-Semitism couched in the doublespeak of global realpolitik.

"We must have an evenhanded approach to our allies and interests in the ME."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (GsoHv)

32
we should talk to Hamas........

I couldn't get that link to work.

Posted by: olddog at January 07, 2013 11:39 AM (Ijr/x)

33 Nevergiveup, the major reason for the Hagel appointment is to portray the GOP, particularly Bush, as warmongers who bomb people at the drop of a hat. Hagel will be pesented as the "lone, courageous voice" of the GOP Senators. His testimony will include every bad thing he can muster against Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

Yes, eviscerating the military will be his job, but even if he doesn't get confirmed, the "GOP =War=Evil" will get lots of air time. That's why Obama is nominating him even though there's a good chance he won't get confirmed.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 07, 2013 11:40 AM (GoIUi)

34 "Does Hagel have the experience and skill set to run not just the world's premiere military force..."

Experience and skill don't matter in O'Dipshit's world. In fact, I think the lack of ES is welcomed by O'D because it means Hagel can more quickly screw the military up. That, my friends, is the plan

Posted by: sukie tawdry at January 07, 2013 11:40 AM (MPtFW)

35 His thinking on the issues in the past is in line with the President's.
He is not a suspected enemy agent. He can't be much worse than Gates and
there is no evidence he is a drunk. Confirm him.


High standards, indeed.

Posted by: pep at January 07, 2013 11:40 AM (USJNU)

36 we should talk to Hamas........

I couldn't get that link to work.


How appropriate!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (S/WR4)

37 TFG plays politics similar to street-level basketball - flood the zone, talk smack, throw some elbows, etc etc. Hagel is defense not the ball.

Posted by: uterus cannon at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (3ZtZW)

38 Dennis Kucinich is available.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (XkWWK)

39 High standards, indeed.


Posted by: pep at January 07, 2013 11:40 AM (USJNU)
---As good as it gets.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (eEfYn)

40
This one cracked me up, and, I suspect Hagel was chuckling to himself as he wrote it:

"Development of seamless networks of intelligence gathering and sharing..."

Yes, surely exchange of intel between sovereigns will be "seamless". Who do you suppose is the audience for that drivel?

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (r5w1L)

41 Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:38 AM (eEfYn)

Oh yes, we must keep our powder dry. This isn't the hill to die on.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (GsoHv)

42 So we've got a soft ball nominated as SECDEF. I wonder what the game is. Whether Obama really wants Hagel, or he is just nominating him knowing he will get shot down, in order to make it politically tougher for the Senate to shoot down his second nomination who will have all sorts of ugly warts.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (0q2P7)

43 The big thing here is that I think the Traitorous JEF is actually serious about Hagel, and I think he's shocked and surprised that his fellow Democrats aren't 100% on board.

Remember that TFG thinks that it's not "fair" that the USA is the sole remaining superpower and has been doing everything he can to rectify that problem. Since there's only one way the sole remaining superpower can cease (unilaterally) being the sole remaining superpower, he's been doing everything he can to destroy the US Military.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:42 AM (5DR1j)

44 Hagel is a dim bulb that will serve Obama's purposes well . . . he'll do what he's told then go into the corner and shut up. Another sad day for this poor sick Republic.

Posted by: rplat at January 07, 2013 11:42 AM (U/Ao5)

45 So, I guess Hagel's open hostility toward our ONLY ally in the ME is small potatoes? But, then again, you still maintain if we cozy up to Turkey, China and Russia they will help us "engage the most dangerous challenges". This is so delusional, I don't know what to say.

Posted by: WVinMN at January 07, 2013 11:43 AM (4Pleu)

46 Who knew we'd be looking back on Panetta as the good old days?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:43 AM (9Bj8R)

47 If Hagel is rejected, Ebola will nominate himself.

Posted by: eman at January 07, 2013 11:43 AM (EWsrI)

48 He's doing it because he was told he shouldn't. IOW, he is an adolescent male.

About seven years old.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2013 11:43 AM (GFM2b)

49 Does Hagel have the experience and skill set to run ... one of its largest bureaucracies?

Well, we'll just have to make it smaller, won't we?

Posted by: Precedent Obama at January 07, 2013 11:44 AM (FcR7P)

50 #43 I also think with the Brennan CIA nomination we will have all sorts of snide comments about Israel on TV all the time, part of the anti-Semitic undertone to much of the current coverage.

L

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 07, 2013 11:45 AM (GoIUi)

51
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (S/WR4)

heh.

Posted by: olddog at January 07, 2013 11:45 AM (Ijr/x)

52 I think the Lying Jackal will be forced to pull him before the Senate panel sits.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (53z96)

53 Hey guess who's 100% behind hagel for Defense? Iran. And that says it all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (9Bj8R)

54 Completely OT.

Working from home today. My daughter is helping my wife unload the dishwasher. Every time she picks up a plate, she grabs it like a steering wheel and turns it back and forth while singing "The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round!"

Sorry. Had to share the cuteness.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (5DR1j)

55 I think the Lying Jackal will be forced to pull him before the Senate panel sits.

John Cornyn and Ted Cruz are both on the record as opposing the nomination. I hope one of them puts a hold on it (I think any Senator can do that).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:47 AM (5DR1j)

56 He sounds like a perfect fit for the Obama administration. At this point, I think it is in our best interest to pass through only the worst possible people for any positions in the Obama administration.


If this guy is going to muck things up, he sounds like exactly what we need. Our only hope is to wake people up.


Burn it down.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 07, 2013 11:47 AM (bb5+k)

57 Every time she picks up a plate, she grabs it like a steering wheel and turns it back and forth while singing "The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round!"

Sorry. Had to share the cuteness.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (5DR1j)



That's so adorable even I think it's cute.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 07, 2013 11:47 AM (VtjlW)

58 Beck alluded to the coming demise of the Republican party and then hasn't said another word.

But, since Hagel is a republican, doesn't it make sense since the budget cutting and slicing and dicing would then be blamed on the republicans?

Posted by: Caustic at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (/b8+5)

59 O/T but you morons may be interested:

Husband and I have started a TFG jar. Whichever one of us slips up and says TFG's name, we have to put a twenty in the jar.

So far, I've f*cked up twice this weekend.

Dammit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (UOM48)

60 Working from home today. My daughter is helping my wife unload the dishwasher. Every time she picks up a plate, she grabs it like a steering wheel and turns it back and forth while singing "The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round!"

Sorry. Had to share the cuteness.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (5DR1j)

Yes it is very cute, but for those of us with older kids who have went thru that phase, in few years when you hear that song you will want to blow your brains out!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (9Bj8R)

61 I hope Hagel does get confirmed and all the Democrats are on record supporting him, especially the “Jewish” Democrats in the Senate, it MIGHT, and I say “MIGHT” wake up American Jews to the reality that Democrats and Obama hate Israel and you. If anyone saw even 30 seconds of any Occupy Wall street rally, they would know just how antisemitic liberals TRULY are.

This may be a wake up call. Or not.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (IJOxR)

62 I agree with Caustic, I think it's a distraction and since Hagel is a nominal Republican (at least he was, he did support Sestak, Toomey's opponent and a vile lefty) Obama thinks it'll be a big distraction.

Look at what Obama's left hand is doing.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (T0NGe)

63 I've never understood the reason behind nominating Hagel for SecDef. Honestly, no idea.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (4df7R)

64 52
I think the Lying Jackal will be forced to pull him before the Senate panel sits.


Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2013 11:46 AM (53z96)
My God, Obama is Osiris!!! Explains everything, but I can't get my head around Moochelle as Isis.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (BoE3Z)

65
But, since Hagel is a republican, doesn't it make sense since the
budget cutting and slicing and dicing would then be blamed on the
republicans?


I'm not sure how that would play even with the LIVs. Basically everyone knows that the Secretaries don't set their own budgets- Congress does.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (5DR1j)

66 John Cornyn and Ted Cruz are both on the record as
opposing the nomination. I hope one of them puts a hold on it (I think
any Senator can do that).


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:47 AM (5DR1j)

Not sure of that. The judicial panel can hold a nominee if at least one minority Senator does not agree to move it to the floor for a vote but I don't think any other panel can do that.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (53z96)

67 Blackfive has a good post on the Brennan nom. I think this is the hill to die on. Our enemies in the ME will sense our lack of resolve and there will be full throated war in the ME.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (Dnbau)

68 Husband and I have started a TFG jar. Whichever one of us slips up and says TFG's name, we have to put a twenty in the jar.



You have twenties just lying around to put in a jar?!?!?



Damn 1%ers.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (da5Wo)

69 Obama is getting exactly what he wants with Hagel- a shallow thinking, mouth-breathing yes man, who will assist Obama with weakening our military, and legitimatizing groups like Hezbo'allah and the Muslim Brotherhood. He also gets to appear bi-partisan, since noestablishment Republican will object to Hagel's characterization as a "Republican".

Posted by: DaveinNC at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (boNGU)

70 Hagel is not full retard.

Come on, Ebola, show us your A game.

Posted by: eman at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (EWsrI)

71 Look at what Obama's left hand is doing.



He's a lefty (in more ways than one), so no thanks. Not enough brain bleach in the world.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (UOM48)

72 Bottom line is Jews don’t support the GOP, and voted overwhelmingly for Obama. They will have to live with the consequences of that vote. Just like the Jews who voted for Hitler in Germany.

So it's hard for me to muster much sympathy for them, they knew what Obama was and voted for him.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (IJOxR)

73 His experience doesn't matter. All that matters in the Obozo administration is how political they are. See Holder, Eric. It's a government run by a bunch of commissars.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (1Jaio)

74
You make the mistake of thinking that serious people are *wanted* for these positions.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (uk1a1)

75 So far, I've f*cked up twice this weekend.

Dammit.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (UOM4



What are you going to use the money for? I suggest fine dining and be sure to be kind to your sommelier.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (VtjlW)

76 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:37 AM (GsoHv)

That was my thought. I was confused what Drew was whining about Hagel's world view in that quote because there was actually nothing there. (which itself is something to worry about), but I don't know how anyone can believe a random stringing together of Cliche's.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (Ssth1)

77 70
Hagel is not full retard.



Come on, Ebola, show us your A game.




*scratches cheek with middle finger*


*calls Bill Ayers*

Posted by: Ebola the Great at January 07, 2013 11:51 AM (UOM48)

78 Yes it is very cute, but for those of us with older kids who have went
thru that phase, in few years when you hear that song you will want to
blow your brains out!


That's why I teach them subversive songs. My favorite at the moment is "Old McDonald Had A Restaurant," in which he serves: horse ("with a Big Mac here, and a Big Mac there..."), pork offal ("with a McRib here and a McRib there..."), and "unidentified poultry product" ("with a McNugget here and a McNugget there...")

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:51 AM (5DR1j)

79 Yes it is very cute, but for those of us with older kids who have went thru that phase, in few years when you hear that song you will want to blow your brains out!

That or the Disney "It's a small world after all" song.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2013 11:52 AM (GFM2b)

80 they would know just how antisemitic liberals TRULY are.

This may be a wake up call. Or not.
Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (IJOxR)

Those were ALL tea-party plants meant to make them look bad.

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2013 11:52 AM (fWAjv)

81 Oh yes, we must keep our powder dry. This isn't the hill to die on.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:41 AM (GsoHv)
----The GOP already died on some hill or other so this hill is irrrelevant. Hagel is nominated to be Odumbfucks SecDef, not mine. If you want to make a major issue out of this nomination in order to get an ideal nominee from Odumbfuck, go ahead. It would be better to focus on some issue from which a positive result could be, by some chance, obtained. perhaps the defense budget and programming.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:52 AM (eEfYn)

82 >>>>>> 45 So, I guess Hagel's open hostility toward our ONLY ally in the ME is small potatoes? But, then again, you still maintain if we cozy up to Turkey, China and Russia they will help us "engage the most dangerous challenges". This is so delusional, I don't know what to say.

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Hagel is just a stooge for Obama. He won't have ANY real power. Obama hates Israel, and will go out of his way to destabilize and destroy Israel. Hagel being Sec of Defense, is nothing but a front.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:52 AM (IJOxR)

83 What are you going to use the money for? I suggest fine dining and be sure to be kind to your sommelier.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (VtjlW



We plan to keep the jar going for the next four years. Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:53 AM (UOM48)

84 be sure to be kind to your sommelier

Heh. I love you guys. You make me laugh in hard times.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 07, 2013 11:53 AM (evdj2)

85 Obama, at this point, is just f**king with us for the sake of f**king with us.

SCoaMF.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 07, 2013 11:53 AM (Vk2pI)

86 We plan to keep the jar going for the next four years. Sigh.



So you'll be treating your husband to a cruise. That's nice of you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:53 AM (5DR1j)

87 82
>>>>>> 45 So, I guess Hagel's open hostility toward
our ONLY ally in the ME is small potatoes? But, then again, you still
maintain if we cozy up to Turkey, China and Russia they will help us
"engage the most dangerous challenges". This is so delusional, I don't
know what to say.



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Hagel is just a stooge for Obama. He won't have ANY real power.
Obama hates Israel, and will go out of his way to destabilize and
destroy Israel. Hagel being Sec of Defense, is nothing but a front.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:52 AM (IJOxR)
Honest question - I've often wondered how many Jews hate Israel? In light of their behavior.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)

88 Our enemies in the ME will sense our lack of resolve and there will be full throated war in the ME.
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 11:49 AM (Dnbau)

Will? They already know obama has made the USA a paper tiger in the Middle East.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (9Bj8R)

89 Nevergiveup, the major reason for the Hagel appointment is to portray
the GOP, particularly Bush, as warmongers who bomb people at the drop of
a hat. Hagel will be pesented as the "lone, courageous voice" of the
GOP Senators. His testimony will include every bad thing he can muster
against Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.




Even Fox noted that Republicans all considered h9im to drop out of the Republican Party years ago. Nobody in Washington considers him to be a Republican.

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96)

90 45 So, I guess Hagel's open hostility toward our ONLY ally in the ME
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We do have more than one ally in the Middle East.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (eEfYn)

91 They will have to live with the consequences of that vote. Just like the Jews who voted for Hitler in Germany. So it's hard for me to muster much sympathy for them


Wow.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (CLjYf)

92 We plan to keep the jar going for the next four years

Sure hope one of those nice door-to-door crowbar salesmen don't find out you've got that stash.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (O7Q1u)

93 >>>>>>>80 they would know just how antisemitic liberals TRULY are.

This may be a wake up call. Or not.
Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (IJOxR)

Those were ALL tea-party plants meant to make them look bad.

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I'm sure that will be the line the Dems use to help Jews that voted for Obama sleep better at night. But just like the Jews that voted for Hitler, they will soon learn the REAL consequences for there naivity.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (IJOxR)

94 Is Treet just low budget Spam?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (evdj2)

95 -The GOP already died on some hill or other so this hill is irrrelevant.
Hagel is nominated to be Odumbfucks SecDef, not mine. If you want to
make a major issue out of this nomination in order to get an ideal
nominee from Odumbfuck, go ahead. It would be better to focus on some
issue from which a positive result could be, by some chance, obtained.
perhaps the defense budget and programming.




Leader in the clubhouse for stupidest statement of the day.



Hey, how bout this? For those of us with fam in the military, especially those of us who have fam deployed, it matters. It matters a whole fucking lot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

96 Even Fox noted that Republicans all considered h9im to drop out of the
Republican Party years ago. Nobody in Washington considers him to be a
Republican.


But LIVs will simply hear "Former Republican Senator" over and over and over.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (5DR1j)

97 Chuck Hagel started off as a solid Republican but then got BDS. When the going got tough, Hagel joined the left and wailed against the Iraq war like any other anti American protestor. And of course like any on the lefthe won't admit how wrong he was to this day.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (m2CN7)

98 Chuck Hagel, making ben Nelson look good

Posted by: aalex_ at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (uFY4s)

99 There are two hills to die on.

The Second Amendment and Amnesty.

That is it.

Posted by: eman at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (EWsrI)

100 With the tip jar - is it just his proper name? Or do you have to drop some cash if you use any of the myriad of curses that are used for him?

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (fWAjv)

101 Jews in Israel know who the JEF really is, they are under no illisions. American Jews for themost partare secular, their religion is progressivism, their God the JEF

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (Dnbau)

102 But just like the Jews that voted for Hitler
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I am sure that number was small enough to be irrelevant.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (eEfYn)

103 This may be a wake up call. Or not.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (IJOxR)

You haven't met many American Jews, have you?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (GsoHv)

104 eman

FINALLY A HILL!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, it's no longer Christmas at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (GVxQo)

105 I've often wondered how many Jews hate Israel? In light of their behavior.
Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)


Don't be confused because someone is nominally identified as a "Jew". Most American Jews have NEVER been to Israel and know NOTHING about it. In addition many American Jews have next to NO religious affiliation what so ever and are only tangentially culturally Jewish at all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (9Bj8R)

106 But if the military consisted of only 200,000 in uniform with a budget of 400 million, he could handle the job, right? Right?

Posted by: Oblowme at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (b1VIZ)

107 78 Yes it is very cute, but for those of us with older kids who have went
thru that phase, in few years when you hear that song you will want to
blow your brains out!

That's why I teach them subversive songs. My favorite at the moment is "Old McDonald Had A Restaurant," in which he serves: horse ("with a Big Mac here, and a Big Mac there..."), pork offal ("with a McRib here and a McRib there..."), and "unidentified poultry product" ("with a McNugget here and a McNugget there...")

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Thankfully my middle child seems to have good taste...

She's hooked on Ring Of Fire by Johnny Cash and I figure I may get some of that mythical Internet money down the road by putting her in cowboy garb and having her sing.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (e0xKF)

108 But just like the Jews that voted for Hitler, they will soon learn the REAL consequences for there naivity.

Jew love so nice, she posted twice!

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (CLjYf)

109 You haven't met many American Jews, have you?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (GsoHv)


Amen to that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (9Bj8R)

110 >>>91 They will have to live with the consequences of that vote. Just like the Jews who voted for Hitler in Germany. So it's hard for me to muster much sympathy for them


Wow.
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THEY VOTED for Obama, NOT me. So they can cry me a river now.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (IJOxR)

111 The Obama Administration already has its administrators in place, all across the government. The departments and agencies and bureaus are being run.

What he wants/needs is political hacks to go out and sell it to the rest of us.

That's where Hagel excels, and that's why he is being nominated.

What, you think this is about decisions that will be made? What a naive way of looking at it, that is.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (BeSEI)

112 100
With the tip jar - is it just his proper name? Or do you have to drop
some cash if you use any of the myriad of curses that are used for him?

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2013 11:56 AM (fWAjv


Can't use his actual name, or his "former" name, Barry. Any of the myriad names we call him at the HQ are fine.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:58 AM (UOM48)

113 I already see Liberals on The Twitters complaining that Republicans are so determined to see TFG fail, they'll "vote against a member of their own party."
Which I find strange because these are people who claim that we shouldn't vote on party lines or some such.

In some respect I think this might be TFG's plan. Throw out a republican whine when republicans don't approve him (not that they can block it by themselves anyway, since it only needs senate approval.) Then pain them as obstructionists. (Dem's get a pass because it's expected they'll vote against him.)

Most of the LIV's won't understand that Republican's didn't like Hagel even before he was an Obama appointee (thus their voting against him has little to do with TFG at all, since they never liked him.)

Although one Lib I follow went from the "see they want to see him fail" immediately to "Why do [Dems] have "Conservative democrats" and Republicans have RINOs instead of Liberal Republicans?" or some shit, so yeah...they're all morons (and not the HQ kind)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 11:58 AM (Ssth1)

114 "We do have more than one ally in the Middle East. "

On paper only. And only then to get our Dollars.

Posted by: mare at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (A98Xu)

115
Honestly, I find those mostly irrelevant to Hagel's consideration. Should Hagel's views on these matters form part of people's decision on him? Of course but there are much larger issues that should be explored and considered as well.


With all due respect, Drew, considering the political climate in the ME, his views on Israel, Iran, and terrorist groups like Hamas should DAMN RIGHT be among the key considerations when evaluating his suitability for SecDef. I would put his Middle East stance at least #2 on the list of key evaluation criteria, and if I was the one making the decision I'd bump that up to #1.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (4df7R)

116 103 This may be a wake up call. Or not.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:48 AM (IJOxR)

You haven't met many American Jews, have you?
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Yes I have, and most are of the self hating variety or come from the George Soros school of being a "good Jew".

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (IJOxR)

117 Husband and I have started a TFG jar. Whichever one of us slips up and says TFG's name, we have to put a twenty in the jar.

We just found your jar, took all the cash, and left some IOU's. Have a nice day.

Posted by: The US Treasury at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (iHs4Z)

118 Let's get a gay Iraqi Jew to ask him questions at the hearings.

Posted by: ESPN at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (HDgX3)

119 She's hooked on Ring Of Fire by Johnny Cash and I figure I may get some
of that mythical Internet money down the road by putting her in cowboy
garb and having her sing.


Mine aren't old enough to appreciate "real" music yet. At least I mostly have them weened off Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (5DR1j)

120 Leader in the clubhouse for stupidest statement of the day.



Hey,
how bout this? For those of us with fam in the military, especially
those of us who have fam deployed, it matters. It matters a whole
fucking lot.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (da5Wo)
--So who better is on deck for Obama to appoint if Hagel is blocked?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (eEfYn)

121 Honest question - I've often wondered how many Jews hate Israel? In light of their behavior.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)

A sizable minority of American Jews have significant antipathy toward Israel, based on their politics, which trumps their religion, culture and genes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (GsoHv)

122 118 Let's get a gay Iraqi Jew to ask him questions at the hearings.

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Unfortunately, most of them are gone.

Something about a tube of superglue and the anus.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (e0xKF)

123 THEY VOTED for Obama, NOT me. So they can cry me a river now.


Like those Germans who died in the Holocaust? You seem to have no empathy for them, either. After all, they voted for those death camps...
Methinks it has little to do with their votes.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (CLjYf)

124 97 here in Nebraska we have an unfortunate tendency to make rinos

Posted by: aalex_ at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (uFY4s)

125 >>>>Honest question - I've often wondered how many Jews hate Israel? In light of their behavior.
Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)
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Well George Soros considers himself a "jew" so that may answer your question.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (IJOxR)

126 So who better is on deck for Obama to appoint if Hagel is blocked?

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Any chance he'll make Kerry wear both hats?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (e0xKF)

127 What he wants/needs is political hacks to go out and sell it to the rest of us.

That's where Hagel excels, and that's why he is being nominated.


Example?

Posted by: pep at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (YXmuI)

128 Mine aren't old enough to appreciate "real" music yet. At least I mostly have them weened off Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (5DR1j)



Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (da5Wo)

129 122 owwwww

Posted by: aalex_ at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (uFY4s)

130 As far as I am concerned, it is the job of the Senate to determine only whether the individual is disqualified, not if he meets some sort of ideological test.

If the President wants to nominate a half-wit for Secretary of State (again), he is free to do so. And the Senate is right to criticize him for it. But so long as the nominee meets the base test of reasonably competent, they should agree to the President's nomination.

Look at the two idiots this clusterfuck nominated to the Supreme Court. They got through despite being marginally more intelligent than a potato.

Posted by: egd at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (XVGEg)

131 Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog!

You. Rusty chainsaw. Some assembly required.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (5DR1j)

132 Hagel had a "solid" 73 rating in 2008 his last year, firmly in the RINO range and nearing DIABLO.



In 1997 his first year he was still a RINO with an 80 rating.

So he started RINO and ended near DIABLO


He is now solid DIABLO

Posted by: Vic at January 07, 2013 12:02 PM (53z96)

133 105
I've often wondered how many Jews hate Israel? In light of their behavior.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 11:54 AM (BoE3Z)





Don't be confused because someone is nominally identified as a
"Jew". Most American Jews have NEVER been to Israel and know NOTHING
about it. In addition many American Jews have next to NO religious
affiliation what so ever and are only tangentially culturally Jewish at
all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (9Bj8R)
Thanks. The Jews I've met have all been very Liberal, extremely so. They worship Obama, and the Democrat Party. They're also very successful people. I've just been struck by the fact that they never have mentioned Israel in my presence, but are extremely critical of any military action the country (America) takes. It seems kind of schizophrenic. Christians, some of them, talk about Israel all the time, but not Jews.

Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 12:02 PM (BoE3Z)

134 Can't use his actual name, or his "former" name, Barry. Any of the myriad names we call him at the HQ are fine.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 07, 2013 11:58 AM (UOM4

Oh, that would be easy for me. I'm actually expanding my vocabulary thinking of new names for him.

Posted by: RWC at January 07, 2013 12:02 PM (fWAjv)

135 We plan to keep the jar going for the next four years.

Here's hoping that gets you more than a cup of coffee by then!

Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2013 12:03 PM (FcR7P)

136 Mine aren't old enough to appreciate "real" music yet.

Who loves you, kids?

Posted by: Charlie Waffles at January 07, 2013 12:03 PM (CLjYf)

137 They got through despite being marginally more intelligent than a potato.

heh heh heh.

Posted by: Turnips with an unearned sense of intellectual superiority at January 07, 2013 12:03 PM (YXmuI)

138 126 is that constitutional

Posted by: aalex_ at January 07, 2013 12:03 PM (uFY4s)

139
131
Hot dog, hot dog, hot diggity dog!

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You. Rusty chainsaw. Some assembly required.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (5DR1j)


5 1/2 and 2 1/2 yr old girls who basically slam dance every time the song comes on.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:03 PM (da5Wo)

140 As far as I am concerned, it is the job of the Senate to determine only whether the individual is disqualified, not if he meets some sort of ideological test.

I tend to agree for executive branch officers. They are just proxies for the president. Judge appointments and officers of quasi-independent agencies, really any official that outlasts the administration, should be vetted for ideology.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 07, 2013 12:04 PM (evdj2)

141 As far as I am concerned, it is the job of the Senate to determine only
whether the individual is disqualified, not if he meets some sort of
ideological test.


And you don't think his "ideological" views disqualify him from being the man in charge of defending the nation?

If you were hiring a man to be your accountant, would you care more that he was, himself, going through his second (or third) bankruptcy, or that he had a 110 IQ and a nifty set of credentials?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:04 PM (5DR1j)

142 137 plebian

Posted by: the aristocratic leek at January 07, 2013 12:04 PM (uFY4s)

143
raquel

the US Jewish population is so small it is extremely unlikely, neigh impossible,that they are single handedly responsible for the JEFs election.

In addition, the Jews that voted for the JEF do not give a shit about Isael and are self-hating. Incidentally, those Jews do not live in Israel.

The reason for concern about the JEF's, and Hagel's, and Brennan's thoughts on who to trust in the ME is that it will lead the United States to more war, perhaps world war. It will certainly lead to more terrorism here. That seems pretty important to me.

but rant on about Jews, if you must

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (Dnbau)

144 I was worshipped by the romans

Posted by: the aristocratic leek at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (uFY4s)

145 >>>123 THEY VOTED for Obama, NOT me. So they can cry me a river now.


Like those Germans who died in the Holocaust? You seem to have no empathy for them, either. After all, they voted for those death camps...
Methinks it has little to do with their votes.
Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 12:00 PM (CLjYf)
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What can I do?? NOTHING. They chose this faith. WE FREAKING BEGGED AND PLEADED with them to see the light. They didn't. It's like that heroin user who you beg and plead, and send to rehab, and go out of your way to show them the light, and then they go on using heroin, until they overdose.

It's sadly NOTHING we can do now. They chose this road not us. At this point the old adage of, I love you, but I just can't help you anymore, is my attitude towards Jews who voted for Obama.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (IJOxR)

146 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:59 AM (5DR1j)

Do what I did: I taught them "Frigging in The Rigging," by The Sex Pistols when they were 7 and 9.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:06 PM (GsoHv)

147 What does Hagel do when Obullshit sends Americans to fight Russians for the benefit of Al Qaeda in Syria?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2013 12:06 PM (wwsoB)

148 As far as I am concerned, it is the job of the
Senate to determine only whether the individual is disqualified, not if
he meets some sort of ideological test.



If the President wants to nominate a half-wit for Secretary of State
(again), he is free to do so. And the Senate is right to criticize him
for it. But so long as the nominee meets the base test of reasonably
competent, they should agree to the President's nomination.



Look at the two idiots this clusterfuck nominated to the Supreme
Court. They got through despite being marginally more intelligent than a
potato.

Posted by: egd at January 07, 2013 12:01 PM (XVGEg)

Isn't the whole point of the Senate Confirmation a check on executive power to ensure that the President (regardless of party) unilaterally destroy departments via appointments?So yeah..kinda wrong there.(In fairness, court appointments are somewhat different I think for various complex reasons.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:06 PM (Ssth1)

149 If you were hiring a man to be your accountant,
would you care more that he was, himself, going through his second (or
third) bankruptcy, or that he had a 110 IQ and a nifty set of
credentials?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:04 PM (5DR1j)


My accountant damn sure better have an IQ of greater than 110.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:06 PM (da5Wo)

150 5 1/2 and 2 1/2 yr old girls who basically slam dance every time the song comes on.

That's right around my kids' ages. Introduce them to Veggie Tales. They'll likely never look back. And at least half the jokes in "Silly Songs with Larry" are directed at adults.

Though, strangely, my kids really like classical (well, orchestral- not all of it is "classic") music.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:07 PM (5DR1j)

151 My uninformed opinion: I can't muster up a Code Red Level Outrage for everything Obama proposes. I'll pass.(Knowing I can do that because others are more diligent.)

Posted by: CJ at January 07, 2013 12:07 PM (9KqcB)

152 What does Hagel do when Obullshit sends Americans to fight Russians for the benefit of Al Qaeda in Syria?
Posted by: kbdabear at January 07, 2013 12:06 PM (wwsoB)


My guess? He's whistle innocently, look the other way, and smile for the cameras.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 07, 2013 12:07 PM (4df7R)

153 the US Jewish population is so small it is extremely unlikely, neigh impossible,that they are single handedly responsible for the JEFs election.

But...but...they control the media!

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (CLjYf)

154 Photo on Drudge is just plain scarey.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (0It32)

155 My accountant damn sure better have an IQ of greater than 110.

If only we were that demanding of a Vice President.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (O7Q1u)

156 So you'll be treating your husband to a cruise. That's nice of you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 11:53 AM (5DR1j)



I'm thinking it'll be more like a Maclaren.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (VtjlW)

157
That's right around my kids' ages. Introduce them to Veggie Tales. They'll likely never look back. And at least half the jokes in "Silly Songs with Larry" are directed at adults.

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Ce-BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (e0xKF)

158 Do what I did: I taught them "Frigging in The Rigging," by The Sex Pistols when they were 7 and 9.

I prefer "Turn the Page" by Bob Seger and "Long Black Veil" (I base mine off Johnny Cash's version).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (5DR1j)

159 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (IJOxR)

Howsthatnow?

No really? You're that philosophically stupid? "Well they chose/choose to continue to be part of a group/religion that's currently being persecuted. Sucks to be them!"

So the Christians during the whole "thrown to the lions" phase of Rome were just...stupid?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (Ssth1)

160 The scoamf war

Posted by: the aristocratic leek at January 07, 2013 12:09 PM (uFY4s)

161 The nomination of hagel is as much a shot across the bow of Israel as anything else

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:09 PM (9Bj8R)

162 Posted by: tubal at January 07, 2013 12:02 PM (BoE3Z)

Let me make it worse.

Many American Jews have a visceral dislike of fundamentalist Christians in this country in spite of their tremendous, unyielding support for Israel.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:09 PM (GsoHv)

163 Frankly I see Hagel as the perfect foil to overtly Destroy the US military capability right under the noses of the pentagon and the House leadership. Good call Obama.

Posted by: Rich K at January 07, 2013 12:09 PM (X4l3T)

164 That's right around my kids' ages. Introduce them to
Veggie Tales. They'll likely never look back. And at least half the
jokes in "Silly Songs with Larry" are directed at adults.

Though, strangely, my kids really like classical (well, orchestral- not all of it is "classic") music.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:07 PM (5DR1j)


I'm not sure if singing vegetables are any better. Lol. I've tried to get them to listen to the music I listen to. They've rejected it. It's a shame too. The eldest used to know the words to some Seether and Three Days Grace songs. Nothing cuter, to me at least, than a 3 yr old girl with curly hair halfway down her back head banging in the back seat while belting out the lyrics to Break Away.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:10 PM (da5Wo)

165 ?? It's not like we haven't had some real, er, less than thoughtful folks as SecDef prior...

Posted by: Jess1 at January 07, 2013 12:10 PM (lbiWb)

166 Mine aren't old enough to appreciate "real" music yet.

Pish. If they can toddle, they can rock out.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (ZKzrr)

167 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:09 PM (9Bj8R)

Yup.

Spare parts for F16s will mysteriously be delayed. Guidance packages will be stuck on assembly lines. Ordnance delivery will slow to a trickle.

This is what an anti-Semite as SecDef can do, independent of any public policy decisions.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (GsoHv)

168 I demand tomato soup

Posted by: the aristocratic leek at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (uFY4s)

169 I'm not sure if singing vegetables are any better.

You haven't lived until you've heard Jr. Asparagus singing "Funky Town" or Dr. Archibald signing "Crocodile Rock."

Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (5DR1j)

170 I agree that there has to be a signficant factor for disqualification otherwise the President should have his nominees confirmed.

In the case of Hagel, I believe thereare significant factors for disqualification.

1. He has bipartisan opposition thus unable to secure a working relationship where it is most important.

2. He has established his support for Islam over Israel or at the least refused to acknowledge the moral differences between the two.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (m2CN7)

171 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (IJOxR)


You're fired because you don't move your arms when you dance hate.

Posted by: Kramer at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (CLjYf)

172 >>>>143
raquel

the US Jewish population is so small it is extremely unlikely, neigh impossible,that they are single handedly responsible for the JEFs election.

In addition, the Jews that voted for the JEF do not give a shit about Isael and are self-hating. Incidentally, those Jews do not live in Israel.

The reason for concern about the JEF's, and Hagel's, and Brennan's thoughts on who to trust in the ME is that it will lead the United States to more war, perhaps world war. It will certainly lead to more terrorism here. That seems pretty important to me.

but rant on about Jews, if you must

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (Dnbau)
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Actually the Jewish votes in FL were quite significant, but how will it lead to more war??? Hagel is NOTHING more then an Obama crony. Heck Obama could appoint John Smith there and it would make not a lick of difference, BECAUSE these positions are nothing more then figure heads.(Like Assad's Vice President). They will have no real power, Obama fancies himself the dictator already, and he will be the one setting Israel policy, so you can cry and moan all you want about some figurehead appointment, the bottom line is Obama WAS re-elected and he HATES Israel. The END.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:12 PM (IJOxR)

173 Pish. If they can toddle, they can rock out.

I don't mean I'm not exposing them. I mean their tastes haven't risen to that level, yet.

Though my daughter apparently likes hip-hop. Which is disturbing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:12 PM (5DR1j)

174 Israel should have acted in September before the General Election here. They fucked up

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:12 PM (9Bj8R)

175 But...but...they control the media!

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (CLjYf)

We used to, but nowadays I can't even get an ampersand around here.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:13 PM (GsoHv)

176 >>>Pish. If they can toddle, they can rock out.

My buddies little girls (1 and 3) go ballistic for GWAR-
'Ddady. Can we Rock?'.

Posted by: garrett at January 07, 2013 12:13 PM (CLjYf)

177 I've tried to get them to listen to the music I listen to. They've rejected it.

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YMMV.

My oldest doesn't like my music, but my middle child will want my music on and tell me which ones to change to, with Ring Of Fire by Johnny Cash being her favorite.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 07, 2013 12:13 PM (e0xKF)

178 Herr Hagel reflects obamas policies perfectly

Posted by: Avi at January 07, 2013 12:13 PM (hoDUi)

179 By nominating Chuck "Final Solution" Hagel, the JEF gets to claim the horseshit "bipartisan" mantle moving forward. If he's deservedly tossed on his fat ass, the MFM will quickly chime in with "he was defeated by the EXTREMISTS who have taken over the party" and cocksuckers like Steve LaTourrett will be making the chat show rounds to build on this.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (XvBqx)

180 I don't think Hagel wants to dismantle the military and in fact has a record of voting forincreasing the military expenditures. Its his foreign policy positions on how the military should and should not be used that is troubling.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (m2CN7)

181 Monty! thread up.

Posted by: Tami at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (X6akg)

182 Making Hillary all but irreplaceable...no?

Thank Kismet that she was born. The USA would simply not be able to exist in its present form without her.

Posted by: Tina Brown at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (4eNxd)

183 Gee, there seems to be a problem with my Giv-a-fuk meter.

Posted by: maddogg at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (OlN4e)

184 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:07 PM (5DR1j)


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Veggie Tales = nails on a chalkboard. I don't think I've been happier to throw out a CD in my life.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (b+8h9)

185 I think since he was in Vietnam, and has a deep voice, Dems think he is OK. Mostly the voice.

Posted by: Baldy at January 07, 2013 12:14 PM (opS9C)

186 cocksuckers like Steve LaTourrett will be making the chat show rounds to build on this.

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*whackwhackwhack* Fucking Tea Party

Posted by: Steve LaTourette's Tourette's at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (e0xKF)

187
Hey, how bout this? For those of us with fam in the military, especially those of us who have fam deployed, it matters. It matters a whole fucking lot.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

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It SHOULDN'T matter, because Hagel like everyone else in Obama's cabinet is a freaking figurehead. Obama is the one pulling the strings, and fancies himself a dictator. This appointment is about as meaningless as the Vice President of Syria.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (IJOxR)

188 "if it's just think-tank pablum?"


I've had freshmen kids that were more cohrerant.

WTF? This passes for intellect?



Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (tWFaN)

189 You haven't lived until you've heard Jr. Asparagus singing "Funky Town" or Dr. Archibald signing "Crocodile Rock."

Just sayin'.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (5DR1j)


*blinks*
*gazes back at his dead youth*
*shrugs*
LMAO

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (da5Wo)

190 I don't mean I'm not exposing them. I mean their tastes haven't risen to that level, yet.

Though my daughter apparently likes hip-hop. Which is disturbing.


Meh,
It's likely a visceral response to the thumping Bass. You're daughter is under 6? (Dunno if she's the 2 1/2 year old or the 5.) Either way it'll pass.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (Ssth1)

191
It SHOULDN'T matter, because Hagel like everyone else in Obama's cabinet is a freaking figurehead. Obama is the one pulling the strings, and fancies himself a dictator. This appointment is about as meaningless as the Vice President of Syria.
Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (IJOxR)

That's not true. Appointments such as this send very direct messages to both our "Allies" and our Enemies

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:16 PM (9Bj8R)

192
Raquel you need to read more history, so as not to repeat it. Look up Neville Chamberlain and his idea of "peace in our time" with Germany.

I know these appointees speak for the president, but it is a clearer indication of the JEF's intent, and a signal to the ME. I think this administration hopes to leave a legacy of peace in the ME through the sacrifice of Israel. Perhaps you don't care.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (Dnbau)

193 Committed Jews voted Romney . The red areas of NYC were all orthodox or Russian.
The Obama Jews largely have gentile children or grandchildren so they aren't my problem any more

Posted by: Avi at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (hoDUi)

194 Sen. Rand Paul to fuel presidential speculation by meeting with Israeli leaders

Most senators trigger speculation about a possible presidential campaign by scheduling visits to Iowa or New Hampshire. Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul is attracting questions about his 2016 intentions by traveling to Israel this week.


Smart move

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (9Bj8R)

195 It SHOULDN'T matter, because Hagel like everyone
else in Obama's cabinet is a freaking figurehead. Obama is the one
pulling the strings, and fancies himself a dictator. This appointment is
about as meaningless as the Vice President of Syria.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:15 PM (IJOxR)


The guy who's been described as the "check box president" (I'm sure some industrious Moron can find that article) is now pulling all the strings?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)

196 159 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (IJOxR)

Howsthatnow?

No really? You're that philosophically stupid? "Well they chose/choose to continue to be part of a group/religion that's currently being persecuted. Sucks to be them!"

So the Christians during the whole "thrown to the lions" phase of Rome were just...stupid?
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:08 PM (Ssth1)

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Again THERE IS NOTHING me or you or anyone can do. Obama WAS re-elected. He hates Israel. PERIOD. Hagel and all of Obama's appointments are meaningless as they have about as much power as the Vice President of Syria. They are ALL figureheads. Obama is the one who will be pulling the strings and running policy, and these people are just there as window dressing.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (IJOxR)

197 Posted by: Avi at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (hoDUi)

Sad but true.

The orthodox sure have lots of kids though. They will save Judaism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (GsoHv)

198 The Obama Jews largely have gentile children or grandchildren so they aren't my problem any more
Posted by: Avi at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (hoDUi)

Well since they helped put obama back in the White House they are still "a" problem, but I get your point.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:19 PM (9Bj8R)

199 Though my daughter apparently likes hip-hop. Which is disturbing.

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It's the bass, probably. At least it aint Kesha.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 07, 2013 12:19 PM (b+8h9)

200 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (IJOxR)

FIRST AMENDMENT BE DAMNED! YOU WILL NOT VOICE YOUR OPINION!

You do realize that the first part to holding up TFG's crazy agenda is yelling and screaming right?!
Nah let's just sit back and watch it happen.

That will totally tell give him whatsfor!

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:20 PM (Ssth1)

201
Let's give Barry's nominees the same respect Democrat senators give Republican nominees: none, with a side of Borking, covered in hatesauce.


Oppose, obstruct, grandstand, pound the table. Make a show of it.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 07, 2013 12:20 PM (zgHLA)

202 Egyptian Islamists Vow To Reconquer Spain…


I hope they can swim?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:21 PM (9Bj8R)

203 Hey, how bout this? For those of us with fam in the military, especially those of us who have fam deployed, it matters. It matters a whole fucking lot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

But he's only going to do what Obama tells him to do. He's being nominated for political purposes, not for advice to the CIC.

Posted by: CJ at January 07, 2013 12:22 PM (9KqcB)

204 >>>The guy who's been described as the "check box president" (I'm sure some industrious Moron can find that article) is now pulling all the strings?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)
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Some naive people believe Obama is just stupid. I believe he is NOT stupid, just evil. That's your problem right there you underestimate Obama. He knows dam well what he's doing, and his intent on destroying America and Israel. You should have seen the movie 2016. It offered great insight in to the mind of Obama. But keep underestimating your enemy. It only got us this FAR, thousands of executive orders later, and Obamacare, and so much more yet to come with his re-election now secured.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:22 PM (IJOxR)

205
Raquel,
I understand the JEF hate. Me too. I understand the confusion about the American Jewish vote, in fact I share it. What I don't get is the "Fuck Israel he won stupid Jews!!" eleventy!!! I seem to be missing a step in that calculation

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:24 PM (Dnbau)

206 >>>>>171 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:05 PM (IJOxR)


You're fired because you don't move your arms when you dance hate.
Posted by: Kramer at January 07, 2013 12:11 PM (CLjYf)

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So telling the TRUTH is now hate??? Ok. Just checking.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:25 PM (IJOxR)

207 Whether China is maturing enough as a global power to see the value in a stable world regime is to be seen.

China profits from that. They are cornering the market of rare earth minerals in africa.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 07, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

208 of course Hagel is unqualified for the position. he is merely the most antisemitic person they could find who they figured also had a chance to be confirmed for the job.

Posted by: exceller at January 07, 2013 12:25 PM (ROGMG)

209 >>>>>>>That's not true. Appointments such as this send very direct messages to both our "Allies" and our Enemies
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2013 12:16 PM (9Bj8R)
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LMFAO. IF you think our allies and enemies DON'T already know where Obama stands and what his priorities are you are more naive than the Jews that voted for Obama. Lol.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:28 PM (IJOxR)

210 Look up
Neville Chamberlain and his idea of "peace in our time" with Germany.
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Yes. N.C. was the Prime Minister not the Minister of Coordination of Defense. But thank you for bringing up the underutilized Munich analogy.

And who will we begin appeasing once Hagel is nominated?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 12:28 PM (eEfYn)

211 Anyone at the helm of DoD who isn't swinging at axe at it's disgustingly overbloated budget is an unserious candidate. The DoD employs 3 million people! That's ridiculous.

Posted by: lockedandloaded at January 07, 2013 12:28 PM (ncq1x)

212 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:22 PM (IJOxR)

Obama can be both stupid and evil. In fact itsthe deadliest ofcombos.

Think John Gotti.

Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2013 12:29 PM (m2CN7)

213 If America were 1492 Spain, all of obamas Jews would have taken communion, while romneys would be traveling to holland or turkey

Posted by: Avi at January 07, 2013 12:30 PM (gdKH0)

214
Raquel,

We know the JEF runs the administration and his appointees follow his dictate. No one is arguing that with you. We know the JEF has already signaled our ememires he will be more "flexible" in his second term and where his allegiance lies. We are not naive. We are arguing about whether this is a nomination to fight over. Your position seems to be do nothing, nothing matters, and fuck Jews. Ok. I get it. Feel better?

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:31 PM (Dnbau)

215 >>>192
Raquel you need to read more history, so as not to repeat it. Look up Neville Chamberlain and his idea of "peace in our time" with Germany.

I know these appointees speak for the president, but it is a clearer indication of the JEF's intent, and a signal to the ME. I think this administration hopes to leave a legacy of peace in the ME through the sacrifice of Israel. Perhaps you don't care.
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:17 PM (Dnbau)
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Of course I care, but MY POINT is NO matter who Obama appoints, it won't change a dam thing. Again I repeat myself, these appointments are nothing more then mere figureheads, OBAMA hates Israel and that is what he WANTS to happen, he wants Israel destabilized and destroyed. Hagel or John Smith as SEc of DEF won't change shit. Obama will be setting policy. So AGAIN what difference does this make opposing Hagel? Why waste your time? He will just appoint someone other figurehead. IT WON'T change shit. Except it may make you feel better. Just like Assad having a "Vice President" lol

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:33 PM (IJOxR)

216 Hagel, and Brennan are well known for their advocacy of being close with Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas and Hezbollah. That is who we would be appeasing. We all good with that? Oh, and I forgot the Taliban.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:33 PM (Dnbau)

217 well, toss in an "lol" and I am convinced

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:35 PM (Dnbau)

218 >>>>.200 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:18 PM (IJOxR)

FIRST AMENDMENT BE DAMNED! YOU WILL NOT VOICE YOUR OPINION!

You do realize that the first part to holding up TFG's crazy agenda is yelling and screaming right?!
Nah let's just sit back and watch it happen.

That will totally tell give him whatsfor!

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 07, 2013 12:20 PM (Ssth1)
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LMFAO, you can yell, scream, hold rallies, light yourself on fire, IT won't stop shit. (Remember when all those outraged Tea Partiers and rallies stopped Obamacare from passing? Oh RIGHT, it DIDN'T and it's now law of the land!!!! Bottom line is Obama is President for the next 4 years, and nothing short of a revolution will stop his policies. If he doesn't get his way through legislation he will use Executive orders, and so and so forth. So buckle up the next 4 years are going to be one hell of a ride.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:37 PM (IJOxR)

219 it is interesting that themain reason you cite for supporting your position that we lay down and get used to it is that Jews voted for the JEF and they deserve it. Do I have that right?

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:40 PM (Dnbau)

220 >>>>205
Raquel,
I understand the JEF hate. Me too. I understand the confusion about the American Jewish vote, in fact I share it. What I don't get is the "Fuck Israel he won stupid Jews!!" eleventy!!! I seem to be missing a step in that calculation
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:24 PM (Dnbau)
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You're putting words in my mouth. I am merely pointing out the painful truth. That Obama WAS reelected and he hates Israel, and in the next 4 years he will make sure it's destabilized and destroyed and any appointment he makes is a mere figurehead, Obama is the one setting the policy, and will have his way. And there IS nothing ME or you can do about that for the next 4 years...or longer.

It's best we focus on things we can control, you know like our own lives and families. Cause there is not much else we can do. Especially with the spineless house GOP. So buckle up for the next 4 years, watch some of that National Geographic show the "Preppers" see what they are doing to prep themselves. And be ready.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:42 PM (IJOxR)

221 Perhaps in the future the GOP or its replacement could nominate a candidate for President who actually wants to win. The time to have brought up these policy differences would have been during the last two elections. Now is just pissing into the wind.

There will be a budget debate coming up. Perhaps the GOP Senators could fight for their preferred defense spending and programming policies then.

It seems most of the criticisms are based on foreign policy issues which would seem more relevant to the State nomination hearings.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 07, 2013 12:42 PM (eEfYn)

222 >>>>>.212 Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:22 PM (IJOxR)

Obama can be both stupid and evil. In fact itsthe deadliest ofcombos.

Think John Gotti.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2013 12:29 PM (m2CN7)
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Exactly.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:43 PM (IJOxR)

223 Hagel has no experience running a large organization. He's not just anti-Israel, he's antisemitic as well. Aside from service in Vietnam as a private, he had no further military experience. And he teaches at Georgetown.

We may think these things should count against him, but from Obama's point of view, these are exactly the reasons he wants him.

Posted by: Kenneth at January 07, 2013 12:45 PM (re/ie)

224 >>>>.214
Raquel,

We know the JEF runs the administration and his appointees follow his dictate. No one is arguing that with you. We know the JEF has already signaled our ememires he will be more "flexible" in his second term and where his allegiance lies. We are not naive. We are arguing about whether this is a nomination to fight over. Your position seems to be do nothing, nothing matters, and fuck Jews. Ok. I get it. Feel better?
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:31 PM (Dnbau)
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Some of the morons here I had the opportunity of working with before the election helping graph election results, and some now even follow me on google+. I DO not hate Jews or Israel. My point is that now that Obama was re-elected there is NOTHING we can do about it. It's done. Fighting these nominations is a waste of time, and nerves. It won't change shit. We need to focus on things we can actually control.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:46 PM (IJOxR)

225 Georgetown faculty are notoriously Arabist, and Georgetown has taken in tens of millions for its Arab studies department from various sultans in the ME.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:47 PM (Dnbau)

226 Hagel is as dumb as a post

The fact that he's a dangerous dumb sonofabitch makes him that much worse.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 07, 2013 12:51 PM (lD8ju)

227 In strict adherence to the "let it burn" mantra, I think the GOP should just step aside and abstain. Let them own it all.

Posted by: arminius at January 07, 2013 12:51 PM (cDnhR)

228 Considering that fighting nominations of dicks like Hagel seems to be working your passivity rather puzzling

Ask Susan Rice how her month went..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 07, 2013 12:52 PM (lD8ju)

229 >>>>219 it is interesting that themain reason you cite for supporting your position that we lay down and get used to it is that Jews voted for the JEF and they deserve it. Do I have that right?
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:40 PM (Dnbau)
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Ugh what do you propose we do??? There is NOTHING you can do except post angry comments on conservative blogs, and see which of us is most outrageously outraged. lol. Obama was re-elected. He hates Israel, unless there is a revolution, there is nothing YOU or I, can do to influence policy, you should have realized that after that big shit sandwich known as Obamacare was rammed down our throats despite all the rallies, and outrage and polls showin 60% dissaproving of it. It still got passed. And it's still the law. So get used to it.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:54 PM (IJOxR)

230 >>>>.217 well, toss in an "lol" and I am convinced
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 12:35 PM (Dnbau)
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Hey I may be the youngest here, (in my early 20s) and I worked with you guys during the election, some of you follow me twitter/google+ but it seems like I am not the most naive.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 12:58 PM (IJOxR)

231
well Raquel I look forward to your posts in the future:

Part 2, Fuck the Catholics who voted for the JEF, and

Part 3, Fuck the people in their 20's who voted for the JEF

I am sure they will be just as passionate

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:02 PM (Dnbau)

232 >>>>.231
well Raquel I look forward to your posts in the future:

Part 2, Fuck the Catholics who voted for the JEF, and

Part 3, Fuck the people in their 20's who voted for the JEF

I am sure they will be just as passionate
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:02 PM (Dnbau)

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Keep caricturizing me. It will only make further debates more fun. Especially now that I am labeled as some jew hater. Ok Mr. Ad hominem,

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 01:05 PM (IJOxR)

233 Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:02 PM (Dnbau)
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And I await your big Proposals for what WE can do!!!!!

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 01:07 PM (IJOxR)

234 Hagel is loyal to Obama.

That's the most important quality for Obama in the coming civil war.

Posted by: Phelps at January 07, 2013 01:07 PM (9Kx2Z)

235 not adhominem, just throwing a spot light on your reasoning. Don't like it? Think before you type.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:18 PM (Dnbau)

236 235 not adhominem, just throwing a spot light on your reasoning. Don't like it? Think before you type.
Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:18 PM (Dnbau)

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You didn't respond to anything I said directly, just attacked me personally. That is the very definition of ad hominem.

Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 01:21 PM (IJOxR)

237 Raquel, You are a defeatist. Nothing matter, Obama won so there is nothing we can do, yada yada.

So, Obama won so we should let him keep spending? Let him impose carbon taxes? Let him grant amnesty?

Perhaps we cannot stop this nomination or any of these things I listed, but sitting back and living in the Shire won't save you when Sauromon comes knocking.

If we do not speak up and oppose things, then it is tacit approval.

And I find it interesting that you are suddenly so vocal about your defeatism. Did we hear this when Kerry was nominated for State?

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 07, 2013 01:22 PM (GoIUi)

238 Hagel is being nominated as another step in the plan to destroy the Republican Party. Reid will ensure that enough Democrats vote NO so Hagel will not win confirmation. They will use gay rights as their reason. The media will have a field day advancing the narrative that the Republicans are so obstructionist that they will block another Republican from being appointed because they are so angry and racist that Obama won re-election that they won't even support one of their own.That way anything that happens to the economy will be the GOP's fault even with a Democrat Senate. Every Republican senator should vote YES on Hagel. Every last one of them. But they won't because they refuse to see what Obama's plan is. My guess is that the economy will crash in the summer of 2014, just before the midterms. The Democrats will take back the House, gain more in the Senate, and Obama will have two years to rebuild the economy in his socialist model.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 07, 2013 01:27 PM (4zKCA)

239 I did respond to you. You just wanted to yell and flex your internet muscles. You need to think before you type

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:39 PM (Dnbau)

240 Bottom line is Jews don’t support the GOP, and voted overwhelmingly for Obama. They will have to live with the consequences of that vote. Just like the Jews who voted for Hitler in Germany.

So it's hard for me to muster much sympathy for them, they knew what Obama was and voted for him.Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:50 AM (IJOxR)


your words

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:41 PM (Dnbau)

241 I'm sure that will be the line the Dems use to help Jews that voted for Obama sleep better at night. But just like the Jews that voted for Hitler, they will soon learn the REAL consequences for there naivity.Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:55 AM (IJOxR)


your words

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:42 PM (Dnbau)

242 THEY VOTED for Obama, NOT me. So they can cry me a river now.Posted by: Raquel at January 07, 2013 11:57 AM (IJOxR)


your words

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:43 PM (Dnbau)

243 I look forward to your posts on Catholics, young people, Hispanics and African Americans.

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:46 PM (Dnbau)

244 oh, and women

Posted by: thunderb at January 07, 2013 01:47 PM (Dnbau)

245 Obama chose Hagel so that everyone would be complaining about how bad this Republican is.

Take-away message for the low info voters: Everyone thinks the Republicans are bad, but Obama is "bi-partisan".

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 07, 2013 01:59 PM (Y5I9o)

246 Decepticons hard at work...

Posted by: Jacke at January 07, 2013 02:34 PM (5Cwv4)

247 @240 - Obama can safely nominate an Israel-bashing Republican. He could not safely nominate an Israel-bashing Democrat.

The problem with the Hagel pieces quoted in the post aren't that they're wrong - there's elements of truth there. The problem is that Hagel is spinning easy, politically-correct answers to hard, ugly questions.

Should the US engage with Russia over Iran? Of course. Should we, in doing so, back away completely from the potential use of force? Absolutely not.

Hagel pushes pablum, he wants everyone to nod 'of course, that's right' and kick the can down the road a ways and hope nothing comes unglued until there's someone else to blame.

Reading Ambinder's piece earlier he notes that Hagel's been one of Obama's most trusted advisers on foreign policy, which makes certain aspects of this administration's behavior that much more understandable.

Posted by: JEM at January 07, 2013 03:15 PM (o+SC1)

248
Obama has now, finally, lost Ed Koch. By golly, Koch will never vote for Obama as President again knowing what a jew hater he is.

Posted by: ejo at January 07, 2013 05:13 PM (GXvSO)

249 This really cracks me up that of all the things to address you find Hagel unfit because he doesn't have enough big-bureaucrat experience? Seriously? And you wonder why your election predictions were so embarrassingly wrong.

Posted by: Andrew at January 07, 2013 06:55 PM (HS3dy)

250 Hagel is a really good guy. I'm actually surprised Obama would pick him. Hagel is a true conservative in the classical sense of the word. No, he's not a Bush-style-lets-be-naive-and-think-we-can-remake-the-world-into-a-democracy exhibitionist. He's closer to a Ron-Paul-style libertarian. We could do with more of that kind of thinking. He's also a penny pincher, and guess what, WE'RE BROKE. DOD needs to be gut just like everything else.

Posted by: Andrew at January 07, 2013 07:03 PM (HS3dy)

251
Yeah right, Hagel is such a good guy. Did you see the full page ad from the Logcabin Republicans in the Washington Post this morning? Hagel lately said he was sorry for all of the anti-gay actions he took while in congress. The Logcabin gang (gay conservative republicans) don't buy it not one little bit.
I don't understand why the gay democrats aren't screaming bloody murder over his nomination. They must like the democratic feminists who would drop on their knees and give slick willie a blow job for backing abortion.

Posted by: Cheshire Cat ^..^(____)~~~ at January 07, 2013 09:39 PM (ErAhG)






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