Newspaper That Published Addresses of Gun Licence Holders Now... Hires Armed Security Due to Fears of Criminal Response

I believe Andy covered this, but in case you missed it Taranto's writing about it now.

The story began with an alarming anecdote: An old man "approached a female neighbor on the street and shot her in the back of the head" last May. "What was equally shocking for some was the revelation that the mentally disturbed 77-year-old man had amassed a cache of weapons--including two unregistered handguns and a large amount of ammunition--without any neighbors knowing."

By way of explaining its rationale for providing the permit data, the paper quoted John Thompson, who directs something called Project SNUG at the Yonkers YMCA: "I would love to know if someone next to me had guns. It makes me safer to know so I can deal with that. I might not choose to live there."

The Journal News never got around to explaining how the commission of a violent crime with an unregistered gun could justify stigmatizing and invading the privacy of citizens--including many retired policemen, according to the report--who have complied with the law and obtained permits for their firearms. And if the public has a "right to know" when the fellow who lives next door has a gun permit, why doesn't the same right apply to those who live and work near the Journal News's offices?

This column does not begrudge the Journal News for exercising its Second Amendment right to armed self-defense. But doing so after attacking law-abiding citizens for doing exactly the same thing is the most stunning display of media hypocrisy we've seen since the "civility" frenzy of early 2011.

Those at the paper said they felt alarmed by the responses they were getting, which they considered threatening -- though none of them were actually threats.

But that's the whole point: What the paper did to lawful citizens was throw the spotlight of Internet Fame on to a group of people who'd done nothing to warrant it. The reason those people themselves did not like the Sudden Internet Spotlight is simple: Who knows what wackadoos will come crawling out of the wordwork to wreak some violence against you?

The paper didn't mind doing this to these people -- in fact, I think they intended it. They intended the lawful gun-license holders to feel intimidated, to feel as if their safety was compromised. That's how stalkers impose their wills on their targets-- the target is always aware that malicious intent lurks around them and may strike at any time.

And now the paper whines because that selfsame loss of the feeling of security, that same feeling that now a dozens of emotionally unstable people might commit random violence in order to vindicate some political point, is now felt by they themselves.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? Wasn't this the precise feeling of oppressive fear they intended their victims to have?

And isn't it something that to get a sense of security back they've hired guards armed with handguns to protect themselves.

Another example of the New Aristocracy asserting -- just as the old aristocracy did -- that only the noble class should be permitted the weaponry of the noble class.

I actually expect this to be an increasingly common tactic in our cowardly new world, this attempt to make people afraid by ginning up the possibly-violent interests of thousands of angry strangers. Just for kicks. Just because you can. Just for the hit-whoring. And just for the feeling losers derive from "fighting back" against their imagined oppressors via any means necessary.


Posted by: Ace at 06:47 PM



Comments

1 not so into the whole people v. new elite angle, just think these guys deserve to be laughed at hard

Posted by: JDP at January 03, 2013 06:49 PM (60GaT)

2 But the newspaper printed those names and addresses in the public interest so that makes it OK.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2013 06:49 PM (XUKZU)

3
"Are we supposed to feel sorry for them?"



___ ___

No, we are supposed to laugh at them.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 06:50 PM (1Y+hH)

4 only the noble class should be permitted the weaponry of the noble class

Just to be clear, though, there's nothing noble about these buffoons. Ink-stained wretches indeed.

Posted by: pep at January 03, 2013 06:51 PM (6TB1Z)

5 I'd like to know if the person living next to me has AIDS.

Posted by: Warden at January 03, 2013 06:51 PM (HzhBE)

6 No, we are supposed to laugh at them.

And then, with the lasers.

Posted by: Auric Goldfinger at January 03, 2013 06:51 PM (6TB1Z)

7
I figure a strongly worded note taped to the door would have been enough.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 03, 2013 06:51 PM (mETGQ)

8
Also, I'd like to know if the person living next to me is on public assistance, particularly Social Security Disability so I know to report them if I see 'em at the gym or out shoveling snow off their driveway.

Posted by: Warden at January 03, 2013 06:52 PM (HzhBE)

9 Never argue with people that buy pixels by the gigabyte.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 03, 2013 06:52 PM (v9Cj5)

10 Glad I live in Putnam County

Posted by: mugiwara at January 03, 2013 06:52 PM (hpYnL)

11 As was brought up early on,I wonder how many gun permit holders were battered women living under assumed identities.These fucking leftist bastards have to be punished.

Posted by: steevy at January 03, 2013 06:52 PM (9XBK2)

12 What dickhead takes the security job?

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2013 06:52 PM (N2yhW)

13 Publish AND perish is the new axiom.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 03, 2013 06:54 PM (v9Cj5)

14 I would take the security job. A job in this economy is a job. Whether they get my best performance is doubtful.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 06:54 PM (fpSpD)

15 Someone should cross-reference 'journalists' with gun ownership registers. Then post the names of journalists who are not on the list and thus 'don't own guns'.

Always play by the rules your enemy uses against you.

Posted by: Holger (D) at January 03, 2013 06:54 PM (MHk3m)

16 Will they publish the names of people who own hammers as well?

Posted by: Albie Damned at January 03, 2013 06:54 PM (Yhu4q)

17 I wonder how many gun permit holders were battered women living under assumed identities.

EX---cellent!

Posted by: Montgomery Burns at January 03, 2013 06:54 PM (6TB1Z)

18 Do the security guards get chairs?

Posted by: George Costanza at January 03, 2013 06:55 PM (MPjT8)

19 Anna Puma, you've never struck me as a dickhead but I am disappointed.

Posted by: dogfish at January 03, 2013 06:55 PM (N2yhW)

20 I am reminded of a Willie and Joe cartoon from WWII.

Willie and Joe have managed to sneak into the German barracks to loot the Krauts of their booze.

They look up to see the German sentry looking at them. Naturally they freeze.

Then the German sentry says. "Go ahead, that is the officer's booze."

That about sums up how I would do the security job.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 06:56 PM (fpSpD)

21 Wait until one of the discount rent-a-cops these tools hires does an accidental discharge.

Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 03, 2013 06:57 PM (v9Cj5)

22 With rare exceptions every liberal at some point in its existence gets mugged by reality and morphs into a conservative. Sometimes it's a true transformation, the person grows up, they overcome the mental disorder known as leftism, and then they become sentient and productive members of society. Most often, however, not only the irony but the reality of it all is lost on them. Short odds that given thatthis particular irony involves media liberals -- among the loopiest and the most deranged in captivity -- their shared"moment of clarity," so to speak, will not last.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at January 03, 2013 06:57 PM (pmsMR)

23 I've been here long enough I remember when Ace fat-bitched all his links from Hot Air.

Now he's doing it from Ben and Andy. That's like a free upgrade.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2013 06:58 PM (JDIKC)

24
I hope they're scared. I hope they lose sleep.I hope they quit out of fear.
Libs never pay the price for their actions.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 03, 2013 06:58 PM (MPjT8)

25 Dogfish, not a scheiskopf ja. But if someone shows up and wont go away by my mere presence, then show a weapons, well then hands in the air and 'Alles Kaput!' Am rent-a-cop, not Dudley Do-right.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 06:59 PM (fpSpD)

26 whatever happened to the report about someone hacking into this rag's customer database and grabbing their login/passwords and personal info and threatening to publish it in a map similar to the one used by this rag?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at January 03, 2013 07:00 PM (AVfT8)

27 If i was unarmed i'd be rather pissed that the paper announced it along with my address.

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2013 07:01 PM (sqp6o)

28
Willie and Joe, great stuff.

General Patton hated them though, didn't like the slovenly look and disrepectful tone Mauldin gave them.


Well, I like Patton and I like Mauldin. I guess that makes me an American.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:01 PM (1Y+hH)

29 Boy, 6, suspended from Silver Spring school for pointing finger like a gun

The parents of a 6-year-old Silver Spring boy are fighting the first-grader’s suspension from a Montgomery County public school for pointing his finger like a gun and saying “pow,” an incident school officials characterized in a disciplinary letter as a threat “to shoot a student.”

http://wapo.st/UjxpWH

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2013 07:01 PM (XvHmy)

30 They feel threatened and resort to the use of guns. What are their security measures for those guns? Do they run mental health checks on the relatives of the security guards? How do they know the guy at the front door with a gun doesn't have a kid with mental problems that might steal his weapon at night and show up at the paper with intent to kill? Have the considered that? What are they doing to prevent those guns from being stolen by the deranged? What do their neighbors across the street think about this? Have they sought their permission? Have they provided their neighbors with added security in case one of these guns falls into the wrong hands?

Posted by: mama winger, former RNC donor at January 03, 2013 07:01 PM (P6QsQ)

31 Anybody else see the story on Fox about Senator Kirk (who had a stroke last January) returning to the Senate and walking up all the 49 steps of the Capital? Awesomeness...

Posted by: antisocialist at January 03, 2013 07:02 PM (Ahxbg)

32 I am in the county noted. Somehow they missed my name and several others I know. Ha.

Folks are wondering why the CPD doesn't charge them with filing a false police report for these latest shenanigans.

Besides that, we are all curious how this publishing met their stated goal.

Short answer. It didn't.

Posted by: marcus at January 03, 2013 07:02 PM (ShZzd)

33 I understand that they are losing subscribers as well. They chose ... poorly.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 03, 2013 07:05 PM (QupBk)

34 Mugiwara, Putnam County is next. The paper has made its freedom of information request. The County has denied it or will deny it, and the newspaper will take them to court and win, because this is in fact public information.

Posted by: real joe at January 03, 2013 07:05 PM (PD2ad)

35 Meremortal, yeah Mauldin was a great cartoonist.
May want to track down a copy of The Brass Ring by Mauldin. About his WWII years and yes his encounter with Patton.
http://tinyurl.com/a6kfcum

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:05 PM (fpSpD)

36
that same feeling that now a dozens of emotionally unstable people might commit random violence in order to vindicate some political point, is now felt by they themselves.


Easy for a newspaper to do that. They're shocked and dismayed that, due to internet/social media, that it can be done to them.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 03, 2013 07:06 PM (qkP36)

37 :::The parents of a 6-year-old Silver Spring boy are fighting the first-grader’s suspension from a Montgomery County public school for pointing his finger like a gun and saying “pow,” an incident school officials characterized in a disciplinary letter as a threat “to shoot a student.” :::

That seems pretty mild to be a threat, considering that the morning of December 24th I caught my son holding a steak knife in front of the Elf on the Shelf's face, saying, "Snitches get stitches, motherfucker. You see Santa, you tell him you didn't see shit, you got me?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2013 07:07 PM (JDIKC)

38 Ace,
I expect more from a blogger with a time machine.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2013 07:07 PM (PVCxZ)

39 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2013 07:01 PM (XvHmy)

Should have shot 'em a bird.

Posted by: BignJames at January 03, 2013 07:09 PM (HtUkt)

40 "26

I hope they're scared. I hope they lose sleep.I hope they quit out of fear.
Libs never pay the price for their actions.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 03, 2013 06:58 PM (MPjT"

Yeah, I'm basically all out of "give a fuck" regarding members' of the media safety. Normally, I'd say it would be terrible to live in a country where journalists were killed for their reporting, but then I think that those countries where that happens are countries where the journalists actually do "speak truth to power", not suck power's dick.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 03, 2013 07:10 PM (eP0u9)

41 I also understand that a new law forbidding putting innocent people at risk like this is in the works.

Hopefully it will be the Journal News Personal Privacy Act.

Live in infamy.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 03, 2013 07:10 PM (QupBk)

42 >>"I would love to know if someone next to me had guns. It makes me safer
to know so I can deal with that. I might not choose to live there."




Well all you had to do is ask, now can I call you a cab?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 03, 2013 07:12 PM (aZ6ew)

43 Those reporters who enabled the publishing of the gun owners information? If something bad happened to them, would it be funny or sad?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 03, 2013 07:12 PM (VrVBw)

44 Whew. That Reality Check troll in the thread below was weapons grade stupid.

And, Boooooosh!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 03, 2013 07:13 PM (UOM48)

45 People who support gun control should not be protected by people with guns. Gun owners should boycott them. Gun owners are not acting in their best interests when they hire themselves out to protect people who want to take away their guns. .

Posted by: Marmo at January 03, 2013 07:14 PM (pcgW1)

46 "I would love to know if someone next to me had guns. It makes me safer to know so I can deal with that. I might not choose to live there."

Altruism.


"The Journal News never got around to explaining how the commission of a violent crime with an unregistered gun could justify stigmatizing and invading the privacy of citizens--including many retired policemen, according to the report--who have complied with the law and obtained permits for their firearms."

You have to justify stigmatizing and invading the privacy of citizens now? Don't the ends justify the means, after all?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2013 07:14 PM (mb+Yr)

47
Another example of the New Aristocracy asserting -- just as the old aristocracy did -- that only the noble class should be permitted the weaponry of the noble class.

That is unfair. The Old Aristocracy was a lot more relaxed about the peasantry owning weapons. Then, as now, it was the cities that tried to pass weapon control, with about as much success as now...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 03, 2013 07:14 PM (/D/u1)

48
I wonder what happens if you tweak one graph of this story thusly:
By way of explaining its rationale for providing the data on where gay people live, the paper quoted John Thompson, who directs something called Project GHEY at the Yonkers Youth Center: "I would love to know if someone next to me is gay. It makes me safer to know so I can deal with that. I might not choose to live there."
Actually Idon't wonder at all what would happen, and thats a ginormous part of this entire worseing problem.

Posted by: MikeD at January 03, 2013 07:14 PM (p8QOg)

49 Jane D'oh, yeah their tautology was very tattered and twisted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:15 PM (fpSpD)

50 TFG needs to set an example, man up, and make the White House a gun free zone. Oh, and he and David Gregory and others of Our Betters need to make Sidwell Friends School gun free as well.

I'm sick of these elitist fucks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (UOM48)

51 That seems pretty mild to be a threat, considering that the morning of December 24th I caught my son holding a steak knife in front of the Elf on the Shelf's face, saying, "Snitches get stitches, motherfucker. You see Santa, you tell him you didn't see shit, you got me?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2013 07:07 PM (JDIKC)




Start em young, raise em right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (IvVLN)

52 As I mentioned yesterday, the Journal News is on Twitter @lohud


Tweet responsibly.

Posted by: fluffy at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (z9HTb)

53 >>Whew. That Reality Check troll in the thread below was weapons grade stupid.



Nitwit couldn't get his check cashed anywhere.

.....kinda like blueballs for his reality package.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (aZ6ew)

54 That seems pretty mild to be a threat, considering that the morning of December 24th I caught my son holding a steak knife in front of the Elf on the Shelf's face, saying, "Snitches get stitches, motherfucker. You see Santa, you tell him you didn't see shit, you got me?"
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 03, 2013 07:07 PM (JDIKC)

---------->>>
EOJ:

What a heart-warming family story. I assume your son also had some "motivational talks" with Santa at the shopping center.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (nYHk7)

55 "I actually expect this to be an increasingly common tactic in our
cowardly new world, this attempt to make people afraid by ginning up the
possibly-violent interests of thousands of angry strangers."

The difference is that gun owners, unlike many other groups, will shoot back. And once they realize that these people are serious about trying to kill them, will start shooting first. And demonstrate that damned few people are able to afford 24/7 security provided by others.

Posted by: SDN at January 03, 2013 07:16 PM (7YOX2)

56 "49
Another example of the New Aristocracy asserting -- just as the old aristocracy did -- that only the noble class should be permitted the weaponry of the noble class.

That is unfair. The Old Aristocracy was a lot more relaxed about the peasantry owning weapons. Then, as now, it was the cities that tried to pass weapon control, with about as much success as now...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 03, 2013 07:14 PM (/D/u1) "

In Feudal Japan, only the samurai (de facto bureaucrats) were allowed to carry weapons. Not imitating Feudal Japan would be racist.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2013 07:17 PM (mb+Yr)

57 EoJ, you were issued a harsh challenge in the thread below. I had popcorn ready and everything.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 03, 2013 07:17 PM (UOM48)

58
That seems pretty mild to be a threat, considering that the morning of December 24th I caught my son holding a steak knife in front of the Elf on the Shelf's face, saying, "Snitches get stitches, motherfucker. You see Santa, you tell him you didn't see shit, you got me?"
======
Start out next season with the Elf's head in his bed.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 03, 2013 07:17 PM (MPjT8)

59 And "reactionary!"

(Leftists are never "reactionary.")

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2013 07:18 PM (mb+Yr)

60
Anna Puma, that Willie and Joe story reminds me of one of my Dad's stories that he told me when we did a tour of Luxembourg, N. Germany and N. France in 2004, 60th anniversay of the campaign.



He was a radioman (they wighed 60 pounds then, and he was about 125!) behind the lines with a patrol. A German patrol suddenly appeared and each patrol froze and eyeballed each other. Then both patrols simply continued on their way. Weaponery and numbers were even enough that no one wanted to start anything.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:18 PM (1Y+hH)

61 30
Well, I like Patton and I like Mauldin. I guess that makes me an American.


Agreed. Well said.

Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2013 07:18 PM (sdi6R)

62 From the sidebar story on fastest growing economies.
Mozambique is the 10th fastest growing?
Royalties from the Mozambique Drill?

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 03, 2013 07:18 PM (RKlJP)

63 It feudal Japan, pre-Meiji, for a commoner to touch a samurai was a capital offense. Which is why various pole-arms and sword breakers were developed by the police force, made up of peasants for the most part, to disarm and contain out of control ronin.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:19 PM (fpSpD)

64
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:05 PM (fpSpD)



Thanks. My Dad served under him so I like to read about him.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:20 PM (1Y+hH)

65 From the sidebar story

Michelle Jenneke Dances, again!

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2013 07:20 PM (PVCxZ)

66 From the sidebar story on fastest growing economies.
Mozambique is the 10th fastest growing?
Royalties from the Mozambique Drill?

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 03, 2013 07:18 PM (RKlJP)


4 of the 10 are former Portuguese colonies. They were colonies longer than most former colonies, btw...

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2013 07:21 PM (XvHmy)

67 Isn't it notable that nobody working at that newspaper thought it wrong to publish the names of people with gun licences? That workplace is in complete groupthink, or to put it more accurately they don't know anybody who thinks differently.

By hiring only like-minded people the MSM have now got to the point where more than half of their fellow citizens are completely unknown to them. At this stage they are unable to relate to more than half the country even if they wanted to.

Posted by: Decaf at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (TJQ3a)

68 Also, I'd like to know if the person living next to me is on public
assistance, particularly Social Security Disability so I know to report
them if I see 'em at the gym or out shoveling snow off their driveway.


Sorry, Warden, but it could be some schmuck like my brother-in-law; diagnosed bi-polar in 1980 and 'the medicine makes him too tired to work'. On SSDI for 33 years now, hasn't earned a nickel. This does not keep him from mowing the lawn at his folk's house (where he lives), driving his mom and dad the hour it takes for them to get to my place whenever my wife wants to see her elderly parents, where he eats the lion's share of whatever we have, and loudly declaiming his love of Obama and big welfare state politics in general. Swell guy. Once the folks are gone he can sleep in a dumpster behind J J Fish for all I care.


Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (DLu2s)

69 That is a pretty neat story Meremortal. Shows there were just average guys in that conflict who had a lick of common sense. Unlike that Panzer-Grenadier unit after the Battle of the Bulge that was cut-off by the Allied counter-attack and literally fought to the last boy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (fpSpD)

70 Reverse-SWATTING an entire county of legal dun owners didn't work out as their Pulitzer Prize entry article intended?

Stunned.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at January 03, 2013 07:23 PM (KZi9D)

71 *gun

Posted by: ChampionCapua at January 03, 2013 07:23 PM (KZi9D)

72 At this stage they are unable to relate to more than half the country even if they wanted to.Posted by: Decaf at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (TJQ3a)____ - _____And they don't want to....

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:23 PM (1Y+hH)

73 Isn't it much more likely that your armed neighbor might save your life someday simply because they are armed.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 03, 2013 07:23 PM (uRumV)

74 I saw too that a blogger posted the personal addresses of the paper's main assholes that pushed this shit. Advertisers have been contacted as well. Good for the goose...

Posted by: eureka! at January 03, 2013 07:24 PM (HPRku)

75
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (fpSpD)


Indeed, the stories of wasting lives are horrific. Campaign tours with WWII outifts are about over now, they are all too old to travel. The stories I heard from Patton's Ghost Troops will stay with me forever. Maybe, late one night, I'll relay the best one....

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:25 PM (1Y+hH)

76 By hiring only like-minded people the MSM have now got to the point where more than half of their fellow citizens are completely unknown to them. At this stage they are unable to relate to more than half the country even if they wanted to.
Posted by: Decaf at January 03, 2013 07:22 PM (TJQ3a)

--------->>>
The feeling is mutual. What those bastards in the MFM forgot is that the half of the population they despise owns guns and have no intentions of surrendering them.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 03, 2013 07:25 PM (nYHk7)

77 hit-whoring
slutdrop
fat-bitched

I need to figure out how to incorporate all the new words I've learned into daily conversation. Like when I call my satellite company tomorrow, I can say "Hi there. My 3 month free trial of the movie channels is coming to an end, so I'd like to slutdrop the all of the Showtime and Cinemax channels, please.". I don't know if that works or not.

Posted by: L, elle at January 03, 2013 07:26 PM (MBZW0)

78 o/t but people're talking about a "platinum coin" option Obama has on the debt ceiling

i'm sure the public will think it's super-neato if he actually did it

Posted by: JDP at January 03, 2013 07:26 PM (60GaT)

79 "75 Isn't it much more likely that your armed neighbor might save your life someday simply because they are armed.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 03, 2013 07:23 PM (uRumV) "

No. Wingnuts are evil. And stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2013 07:26 PM (mb+Yr)

80 In Feudal Japan, only the samurai (de facto bureaucrats) were allowed to carry weapons. Not imitating Feudal Japan would be racist.Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 03, 2013 07:17 PM (mb+Yr)During the Tokugawa Shogunate, yeah, they pretty much disarmed the peasantry (and instituted a lot of what we think of as typical feudal Japanese culture, but was not really traditional before the 1600s). Before that, commoners did own weapons, including swords I believe. But you are right - I was thinking primarily of Medieval(at least late medieval Europe)and Rennaisance Europe - France didn't have much in the way of armed peasantry, I believe, but Britain, the German states, Switzerland, Italy, Scandinavia, Flanders, and I think the Iberian peninsula all had robust martial cultures that included the lower orders - sword and buckler was a martial art mostly limited to the non-noble class.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 03, 2013 07:27 PM (/D/u1)

81 Michelle Jenneke Dances, again!

I have no idea what that video was supposed to be about, other than the opportunity to ogle Ms. Jenneke again. If we could get her and Alison Stokke in the same video, it would melt my monitor.

Posted by: pep at January 03, 2013 07:27 PM (6TB1Z)

82 Nobody up here really reads that Journal News rag anyway. They already laid off over 12% of their staff last year.

If the advertising boycott lasts much longer they will be done without help from the parent company.

Most of our local businesses have gotten the message. If they advertise in the JN, most folks won't patronize them.

Posted by: marcus at January 03, 2013 07:27 PM (ShZzd)

83 MFM delenda est.

And the Journal-Pogrom is a good start.

OF COURSE they intended to intimidate the gun owners, and their rationale was broken. This is neither new nor unique.

The really annoying part is that they never, *ever* stop to reconsider, and it doesn't strike them as hypocritical to get all butthurt over the gander getting what the goose got.

(Yes, what I did to that metaphor may have violated certain international civil rights conventions, to which I am not a signatory.)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 03, 2013 07:28 PM (bxiXv)

84 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 03, 2013 07:21 PM (XvHmy)
----
True, but I was joking about the Mozambique drill

http://tinyurl.com/arv7syb

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 03, 2013 07:28 PM (RKlJP)

85
These anti-gun idiots are turning the "moderates" into gun rights activists.

We need to do EVERYTHING we can to help them. Mock the idiots, let all your friends know about it. Point out the latest IL state bills make ALL Semi-autos illegal. They make PUMP ACTION shotguns illegal. Point out to the hunters that this is their goal, and their guns will be registered, banned and confiscated.

Do not hard sell, remind people that good guys with guns are safety for all. The water cooler is a place where people can be converted. So is the Gym, the lunch counter and the cocktail party.

Invite your non-shooting friends to the range. Emphasize SAFETY and knowledge. Explain guns, make them "unscary." Make them safe for the unknowing. Then hopefully you can convertthe ignorant to the informed. And then to the ranks of gun friendly people.
And we will make America a SAFER place.

Posted by: rd at January 03, 2013 07:28 PM (zLp5I)

86 Anyone know the names and addresses of the rent-a-cops? (Evil grin, maniacal laughter)

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at January 03, 2013 07:30 PM (PfMMc)

87 Meremortal, pg 241. The Brass Ring

"I was told by Captain Neville that General Mark Clark, the Fifth Army commander, had called and asked for the original of one of the MP cartoons which had most infuriated the base section general."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:31 PM (fpSpD)

88 Most of our local businesses have gotten the message. If they advertise in the JN, most folks won't patronize them.Posted by: marcus at January 03, 2013 07:27 PM (ShZzd)

Kewl. Keep it up. Bleed them financially until they die.

Posted by: eureka! at January 03, 2013 07:32 PM (HPRku)

89 Oh kami, lauraw has a post up with ukeleles.... run for your lives!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:33 PM (fpSpD)

90 The CONUS big brass balls award today goes to a dweeby looking county clerk. I am always amazed at, and humbled, at the unexpected everyday heroes.

Well done, Mr. Sant. You have earned everyone's respect and gratitude.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 07:39 PM (OQpzc)

91
Most of our local businesses have gotten the message. If they advertise in the JN, most folks won't patronize them.Posted by: marcus at January 03, 2013 07:27 PM (ShZzd)


We need to do the same to their parent Gannett Corp. Boycott Gannett advertisers.

Posted by: rd at January 03, 2013 07:40 PM (zLp5I)

92 I did mention earlier on another thread that Al Sharpton on MSNBS said after we get rid of guns we can start working on knives... which, I guess, means banning any and all things you could make a knife out of. And why not? On Thanksgiving we can all just start ripping the turkey apart with our bare hands... and a piece of a broken plate can be used as a weapon, so we'll need to ban those. Along with turkey, since we need to save the planet...
Well, the peasants in Brueghel's "The Dance of the Peasants in the Open Air" look pretty happy, famines and plagues and wars not withstanding.

Posted by: mallfly at January 03, 2013 07:41 PM (bJm7W)

93 76
I saw too that a blogger posted the personal addresses of the paper's
main assholes that pushed this shit. Advertisers have been contacted as
well. Good for the goose...


Posted by: eureka! at January 03, 2013 07:24 PM (HPRku)


You will see progress when the personal addresses/info of the media buyers at those companies is published.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 03, 2013 07:42 PM (X/+QT)

94
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 07:31 PM (fpSpD)



Heh. I'm sure there was more than one the brass found infuriating.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 07:42 PM (1Y+hH)

95 Strangely, the libs calling for my death, or supression, does not make me feel much like complying with their plan to disarm me.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 07:44 PM (OQpzc)

96 "One of these centuries, the brutes, private or public, who believe that
they can rule their betters by force, will learn the lesson of what
happens when brute force encounters mind and force."

— Ragnar Danneskjöld

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 03, 2013 07:45 PM (X/+QT)

97 #3 "Are we supposed to feel sorry for them?"
No! We are supposed to go BREITBART on them!!!!!!!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at January 03, 2013 07:46 PM (WX65W)

98 The Journal News gets better security than Amb Chris Stevens.


This country is fucked beyond repair.

Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 07:46 PM (doBIb)

99 If they are so concerned with public safety, they should be publishing the arrest/conviction records of everyone as well.

If I'm living next to a drunk driver, I'd like to know.
If I'm living next to a burglar, I'd like to know.
If I'm living next to a pot dealer, I'd like to know.
But most importantly:
If I'm living next to an alleged "journalist", I'd really like to know.

Posted by: TiredOfTheirCrap at January 03, 2013 07:48 PM (PIbwI)

100 Strangely, the libs calling for my death, or
supression, does not make me feel much like complying with their plan to
disarm me.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 07:44 PM (OQpzc)

xactly , i have decided it is best i try to arm myself now.

Posted by: ette at January 03, 2013 07:49 PM (nqBYe)

101 Aren't [most] gov't records public? Under Obamacare, I want to know what drugs my neighbors are on.


Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 03, 2013 07:50 PM (X/+QT)

102 Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder’s eye on the Last Day.

--Some Aiel asskickers.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 07:51 PM (OQpzc)

103 87
These anti-gun idiots are turning the "moderates" into gun rights activists.

We need to do EVERYTHING we can to help them. Mock the idiots, let all your friends know about it. Point out the latest IL state bills make ALL Semi-autos illegal. They make PUMP ACTION shotguns illegal. Point out to the hunters that this is their goal, and their guns will be registered, banned and confiscated.

Do not hard sell, remind people that good guys with guns are safety for all. The water cooler is a place where people can be converted. So is the Gym, the lunch counter and the cocktail party.

Invite your non-shooting friends to the range. Emphasize SAFETY and knowledge. Explain guns, make them "unscary." Make them safe for the unknowing. Then hopefully you can convertthe ignorant to the informed. And then to the ranks of gun friendly people.
And we will make America a SAFER place.

Posted by: rd at January 03, 2013 07:28 PM (zLp5I)


Yes. The best way for people to get over their fear of guns is to learn how to use them.

Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2013 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

104 The left and their media lackeys are attempting to intimidate us , lie to gain fellow travelers to them, and chill speech.

Posted by: ette at January 03, 2013 07:51 PM (nqBYe)

105 Is the newspaper trying to intimidate people from owning guns or owning permits? They are not mutually dependent.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 03, 2013 07:57 PM (+lsX1)

106 They brought a newspaper to a gunfight! Heh!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 03, 2013 07:59 PM (b1VIZ)

107
"I actually expect this to be an increasingly common tactic in our cowardly new world, this attempt to make people afraid by ginning up the possibly-violent interests of thousands of angry strangers. Just for kicks. Just because you can. Just for the hit-whoring. And just for the feeling losers derive from "fighting back" against their imagined oppressors via any means necessary."

Anonymous tried something along those lines with The Zetas. The were very quickly dissuaded.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 03, 2013 08:03 PM (FsqHK)

108 Yes. The best way for people to get over their fear of guns is to learn how to use them.
Posted by: rickl at January 03, 2013 07:51 PM (sdi6R)

Doing my part. Transformed quasi-liberal, gun-cluelessBoston girlfriend into carry-licensed and politically conservative Annie Oakley. She wants a Lady Smith .357 for her birthday. After handling and test-firingthat revolver, I want one, too. I'll just have to wrestle with the gender identity issues inherent to owninga 'Lady Smith', I guess.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 08:04 PM (vtiE6)

109 They brought a newspaper to a gunfight! Heh!


The pen is mightier....


.....maybe not.

Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 08:04 PM (doBIb)

110 If theystack the newsragsdeep enough it might stop a round. Maybe they don't need security after all. Heh!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at January 03, 2013 08:05 PM (WX65W)

111 I'll just have to wrestle with the gender identity issues inherent to owninga 'Lady Smith', I guess.



Fag!

Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 08:05 PM (doBIb)

112 Anyone know the names and addresses of the rent-a-cops? (Evil grin, maniacal laughter)

The guy who owns the security company was outed by the paper's map too. I imagine he's laughing his ass off right now while taking the paper's money.

I wouldn't fault him.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 03, 2013 08:05 PM (hc3eM)

113 Anonymous tried something along those lines with The Zetas. The were very quickly dissuaded.



When did they do this?

Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 08:07 PM (doBIb)

114 The guy who owns the security company was outed by the paper's map too. I imagine he's laughing his ass off right now while taking the paper's money.



RGA Investigations.


If I'm not mistaken, the owner is that Ayoob guy who also writes for Guns and Ammo or one of the other gun mags.

Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 08:09 PM (doBIb)

115
I would love to know if someone next to me had guns. It makes me safer to know so I can deal with that. I might not choose to live there."

Where to start on this one?

Does this idiot think that a madman with a gun is immobile?

Better, though, as a neighbor would be to buy a gun so this idiot puts his house up for sale, and then just before his closing, sell the gun. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 03, 2013 08:10 PM (4u2LN)

116 And while we're looking at neighborhood safety, I'd like to know who in my neighborhood votes Democrat, because, let's face it, essentially all criminals are Democrats. Note that this is not saying that all Democrats are criminals, but why take chances?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 03, 2013 08:12 PM (4u2LN)

117 one, too. I'll just have to wrestle with the gender identity issues inherent to owninga 'Lady Smith', I guess.
Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 08:04 PM (vtiE6)

My wife couldn't work the slide on a 1911. I overcame my first impulse of replacing her for a russian peasant woman with big hips. She can shoot the shit out of a 12 ga. so I guess I'll keep her.

As an aside, this would be the perfect time for those outed by the newspaper to put up signs with an arrow pointing at the neighbor's house saying, " That house has no firearms."

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 08:13 PM (OQpzc)

118 If I'm not mistaken, the owner is that Ayoob guy who also writes for Guns and Ammo or one of the other gun mags.
Posted by: EC at January 03, 2013 08:09 PM (doBIb)


No, that's Massad Ayoob.

The owner is Richard, and apparently family members Lee and Adele work there.

No idea if they are close or distant relatives of Massad, or just share a surname.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 03, 2013 08:14 PM (bxiXv)

119 You know. I'd bet those armed guards wouldn't try very hard to protect the newspaper idiots.

Oh, and the guards are only at the offices. Follow the pricks home.

Posted by: GMan at January 03, 2013 08:24 PM (UkbKS)

120 It's so rare to see Hoist With His Own Petard happen in real life. Savor the moment, gentlemen!

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at January 03, 2013 08:28 PM (mMtFx)

121 My door has been painted with fresh blood. I sit here with my revolver, waiting for who? The criminals to steal my guns? the neighbors to harass me for owning a "lethal weapon", or the the Gov't to come and collect my guns? Boycott the supporters of theses newspapers and spread the message far and wide. Breitbart it here.....

Posted by: djladysmith&wesson at January 03, 2013 08:38 PM (zEoic)

122 Anonymous tried something along those lines with The Zetas. The were very quickly dissuaded.

I take that to mean a number of Anon hackers were found in dumpsters missing major pieces of their anatomy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 03, 2013 08:46 PM (hc3eM)

123 Follow the pricks home.

Recent Democrat actions have green lighted residential surveillance of your political enemies.

If the Democrats do it, I consider it on the table.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 03, 2013 08:49 PM (hc3eM)

124
Recent Democrat actions have green lighted residential surveillance of your political enemies.

If the Democrats do it, I consider it on the table.


Works for us!

Posted by: Freikorps at January 03, 2013 08:55 PM (4u2LN)

125
@111: "The pen is mightier...."

Thatsh "The penis mightier," Alexsh.

Posted by: Sean Connery at January 03, 2013 08:56 PM (FsqHK)

126 The actual quote is:

True, This! —Beneath the rule of men entirely greatThe pen is mightier than the sword.hallejuaih

That kinda changes the meaning the press likes to push.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 08:59 PM (OQpzc)

127 @115: http://tinyurl.com/42lawfb Anonymous v. Zetas

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at January 03, 2013 09:01 PM (FsqHK)

128 Follow the pricks home.

Hell, I'd do even more than that. Put surveillance on their kids. Publish when little Jenny and Jimmy go to school, when they're outside on break, when they go home - do they walk? Ride? Are they alone? It's not just enough to make these assholes so scared that they hire security - make them pants-pissing scared for the entire family. Is this going to be my kid's last day alive before some nut snatches them off the streets? Am I going to get a bullet in the head?

The quickest way to end a war is using the nuclear option. If you don't want to do that, them be prepared for this same MFM shit over and over again.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2013 09:04 PM (LAyBb)

129 I no longer have any issue with this. Release all of their personal information and make them suffer. Find the moral high ground and use it as a place to launch VX at them. I want them hurt so badly that no one in this country would dare hire them for anything because they know the instant they did, their own information would be public.

And if anything happens to a law-abiding citizen or their family who was on this "helpful interactive list"? The lawsuit should bankrupt the paper and every media outlet within 50 miles.

Posted by: NR Pax at January 03, 2013 09:09 PM (QkEg0)

130 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2013 09:04 PM (LAyBb)

Please leave the innocent children out of it.

Posted by: Mindy likes the Josh McDowell-approved version at January 03, 2013 09:20 PM (3pGXY)

131 This post comes close, but still fails to address the real pressing national issues our nation should be discussing.


Namely, we're all out of guns. They are all out of stock! Prices are high and inventories are empty. We haven't enough guns for everyone who needs them.


We need more guns.

Posted by: entropy at January 03, 2013 09:20 PM (YUttk)

132 And we need more affordable guns, for low-income families.

Posted by: entropy at January 03, 2013 09:22 PM (YUttk)

133 134
And we need more affordable guns, for low-income families.

22LR works just as well -- just have to pull that trigger faster

Posted by: exsanguine at January 03, 2013 09:24 PM (O/2PH)

134 Hell, I'd do even more than that. Put surveillance on their kids. Publish when little Jenny and Jimmy go to school, when they're outside on break, when they go home - do they walk? Ride? Are they alone? It's not just enough to make these assholes so scared that they hire security - make them pants-pissing scared for the entire family. Is this going to be my kid's last day alive before some nut snatches them off the streets? Am I going to get a bullet in the head? The quickest way to end a war is using the nuclear option. If you don't want to do that, them be prepared for this same MFM shit over and over again.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2013 09:04 PM (LAyBb)

No. Throwing morality aside and viewing such measures from a purely tactical standpoint, it would be a PR disaster and catastrophic strategic failure.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 09:28 PM (vtiE6)

135 And we need more affordable guns, for low-income families.
Posted by: entropy at January 03, 2013 09:22 PM (YUttk)

Affordable firearms are out there. Hi-Point makes good, low-cost products. Their pistol-caliber carbines are especially worthwhile. Most commie surplus handguns and rifles also solid, reliable, and inexpensive. The best all-aroundpistol I own is a Polish surplus Tokarev I bought for a little over $200.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 09:31 PM (vtiE6)

136 Print up a these people are unarmed flyer with the journotwits addresses. Hand out copies to your local crackheads.

Posted by: DaveA at January 03, 2013 09:31 PM (zPLX9)

137
"Please leave the innocent children out of it."

There are "innocent children" in those houses whose law-abiding gun permit holders were outed. The culprits didn't care about endangering them in order to make a point or get their kicks. This is what it's got to come to, or else it isn't really "war" as everybody keeps insisting. This is what war is. If it's a choice between my kids or theirs, then it's my kids. It's not my job to protect their children, it's theirs. They can do that by refraining from declaring war on those citizens they want to suppress and tyrannize. If the welfare of their own kids won't make them restrain themselves then to hell with them.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at January 03, 2013 09:34 PM (FkH4y)

138 They can do that by refraining from declaring war on those citizens they want to suppress and tyrannize. If the welfare of their own kids won't make them restrain themselves then to hell with them.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at January 03, 2013 09:34 PM (FkH4y)

Seems to me you'd want to bring undecideds over to your side in any hot or cold conflict situation. Using terror tactics against children is self-defeating. And wrong. Did I mention it was fucking wrong?

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 09:44 PM (vtiE6)

139 Nope. They have no problem bringing spouses, family, kids into a fight. Besides, it is just a scare tactic, in the end we are the GOOD guys. Other than a very occasional nutball our team doesn't have the sort of people who would actually target a kid. But they believe, truly believe mind you, that we are Evil incarnate. So target their kids, publish anything you can find about em and watch them lose their frickin' minds.

This is what total war looks like. They have been waging it for a hundred years now, the sooner we join the sooner we can win and have peace and a sane world again.

Lets keep this brutally simple. We win, they lose; any questions? They bring a knife we drop the big one right on their head.

Posted by: John Morris at January 03, 2013 09:52 PM (sCRhB)

140 And if anything happens to a law-abiding citizen or their family who was on this "helpful interactive list"? The lawsuit should bankrupt the paper and every media outlet within 50 miles.
The only correct solution to this problem

Posted by: harleycowboy at January 03, 2013 09:53 PM (wSTfB)

141 The only correct solution to this problem
Posted by: harleycowboy at January 03, 2013 09:53 PM (wSTfB)

Somehow, if one of those gun owners loses family, I think Lawsuits For Justice is going to be a thing of the past.

Posted by: Invictus at January 03, 2013 09:57 PM (OQpzc)

142
142 And if anything happens to a law-abiding citizen or their family who was on this "helpful interactive list"? The lawsuit should bankrupt the paper and every media outlet within 50 miles. The only correct solution to this problem
Posted by: harleycowboy at January 03, 2013 09:53 PM (wSTfB)


Its a newspaper, they are probably already bankrupt, and are operating at a loss to whoever actually runs it and they use profits from other endeavors to keep it going.

Posted by: buzzion at January 03, 2013 10:04 PM (GULKT)

143 "...Besides, it is just a scare tactic, in the end we are the GOOD guys.
...Lets keep this brutally simple. We win, they lose; any questions? They bring a knife we drop the big one right on their head."
Posted by: John Morris at January 03, 2013 09:52 PM (sCRhB)

Good guys do good things. That's the definition. If it seems limiting to you, so be it. Again: using terror tacticsagainst children(or 'scare tactics' if you prefer) is self-defeating. And you and your like-minded pals keep saying, 'This is war! Take no prisoners!' No, this isn't war. Not yet, anyway. This is a screwed-up newspaper no one ever heard of before playing media attention whore. You'll know war when it happens.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2013 10:11 PM (vtiE6)

144 i'm proud to say that i count dennis sant and greg ball as friends.

on to lohud and the journal they can eat shit. besides endangering legal owners, this was a modern day social lynching.

Posted by: evil libertarian at January 03, 2013 10:45 PM (Xcb5k)

145 I get that everyone is mad, and for good reason.

This lady took it upon herself to publish the names and addresses of private, law-abiding, citizens in order to intimidate and publicly shame them.

What are the chances that she actually understands that this is what *she* did? Next to none? I've no doubt in my mind whatsoever that she does not understand that she was trying to start a witch hunt... and she was the witch.

And if there is any additional civil disobedience called for, it is to point out that THIS is the reason that no gun owner should have to register his or her guns. The only reason to register guns is so that the government can take them away.

The only reason to register any item of property with the government is so they can find you to take it away.

Think about it... the government even registers all the little bits of medical hardware people have put in themselves... IN CASE THEY HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK.

Posted by: Synova at January 04, 2013 12:09 AM (7/PU+)

146 94 I did mention earlier on another thread that Al Sharpton on MSNBS said after we get rid of guns we can start working on knives...
-
We already know from Great Britain that that's where the anti-gun forces go once they have banned guns.

Every time you defy them, every time you refuse to make the "reasonable" concession they want, you delay them from moving on to the next un-reasonable concession in their endless agenda of imposed helplessness.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 04, 2013 01:49 AM (rrrur)

147 147
... Think about it... the government even registers all the little bits
of medical hardware people have put in themselves... IN CASE THEY HAVE
TO TAKE IT BACK.
Posted by: Synova at January 04, 2013 12:09 AM (7/PU+)


Nah, it's so they can quickly close a case on CSI silly!

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 04, 2013 02:21 AM (bdged)

148 Only in America can we have a class of people that hate, despise, and mock the very same people that give them that very right.

Only THAT class of people would cry foul when they themselves committed worse things than the law abiding citizens they skewer daily.

Only the snotty, "protected" class that hires the very people they attempt to shame for protection...

The first thing I thought when I heard this 'news' paper published the names of the law abiding gun owners was "don't these stupid fucks realize the guns that were used in Newtown were STOLEN?"

But hey, who has time to be factual and accurate when you have a chance at demonizing and entire group of people that you happen to disagree with?

Posted by: Melodicmetal at January 04, 2013 09:45 AM (QY9FJ)

149 Sorry, the old aristocracy was the first in battle, and the Lord always present in the battle. It didn't consist of media pussies pushing paper and keyboards.

Posted by: Contemplationist at January 05, 2013 12:37 AM (TSKEI)






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