2012 NFL Pick'em Results

This year's champion is drstanly with 145 correct picks.

There was a tie for second place. Black Palm Syndicate and DaveinNC's Swag Picks both had 143.

It should be noted that DaveinNC was suspected of using PEDs. We'll never know for sure as his urine sample was left in the HQ fridge and someone "accidently" drank it.

The results for management?

Ben 134
JohnE 125
JWF 123
Andy 119
CDR-M 117
RD 112

Better luck next year RD, better luck next year.

Thanks for playing everyone.

Oh and Andy is running a NFL.com Playoff Challenge. You can sign up here. Assuming you have an NFL account. If not, register one and then click the link. The group is "AOS" and the password is "LOLRomo".

Posted by: BenK at 11:30 AM

Comments

1 Flipping a coin for my picks got me to very near 50%. I'd say that the spread is pretty accurate.

Posted by: toby928Š for TB at January 03, 2013 11:34 AM (evdj2)

2 Probably would have helped to make picks for Week 17. Sigh.

Posted by: JWF at January 03, 2013 11:38 AM (1l37M)

3 Hey, I can't win every year. I like to spread it around, give you guys a chance sometimes.

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 03, 2013 11:42 AM (Iyg03)

4 Also, I'm not going to say Ben cheats his brains out, but he does run pickem, and he did manage to "beat" everyone else. So... IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: rdbrewer at January 03, 2013 11:45 AM (Iyg03)

5 Hugo Chavez just smelled brimstone for real.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 11:47 AM (1Y+hH)

6 That calls for a special glass of wine tonight. Small victories, small victories, I'll take them.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 11:49 AM (1Y+hH)

7 I don't see Dave or Russ on this list.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at January 03, 2013 11:53 AM (i2Lsf)

8 I would of beat all you soulless bastards if not for that wretched hurricane sandy, I made my pics from my Kindle at a MacDonalds and forgot to click the save button hence missing a whole week of pick-em points. I was in first place at the time and handily beating Dr Stanly although JWF was giving me a run for my money. My only question now is where is my porked-up relief cash??? I need relief and reparations goddammit!!

Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2013 11:54 AM (jvd3N)

9
I haven't made picks since 2007,

did I win?

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 11:55 AM (Vhc4u)

10 The link isn't working. I think NFL.com is having an issue with the page.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 03, 2013 11:56 AM (IvVLN)

11 I was playing from home by myself and got infinity picks correct.
You can trust me. I win. What's the prize?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 11:57 AM (xjVxe)

12 Go Redskins

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 03, 2013 11:58 AM (EitjN)

13 You can trust me. I win. What's the prize?
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 11:57 AM (xjVxe)

A lifetime AoSHQ Platinum Membership. Congrats!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

14 some of those winning picks should be redistributed to those of us who didn't play, because it's only fair- the Man was keeping me down, you see

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 11:58 AM (8sCoq)

15 Sigh. Footsball...the sport season that never seems to end. I choose team 'A' over team 'B' for it's foresight in coming in first alphabetically. Well played, sirs!

Also, I heard brief mention on the radio yesterday that our man in Venezuela was already fertilizing the daisies...but they, (the cubans, the few Venezuelans that mourn his passing, and Sean Penn, are withholding announcing his timely demise until they can identify, and publicly name a suitable successor to the throne. I'd just like to throw AlGrrrr's name into the ring. He's flush with cash, he's a hypocrite, he lies....he's everything the left looks for in a leftist despot.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at January 03, 2013 11:59 AM (L7hol)

16 2
Probably would have helped to make picks for Week 17. Sigh.

Posted by: JWF at January 03, 2013 11:38 AM (1l37M)

**Yeah...I noticed ya missed last week. If had noticed before kick off on Sunday I would have warned ya on the message board....really!

Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2013 11:59 AM (jvd3N)

17 Whooohoooo

100

Yeah look at that! Oh that really sucks doesn't it?

Well if I hadn't of missed week one, oh and had that hunting trip during weeks 5 and 6 and forgot to put in my picks before I left, oh and not gotten that job on Maui during week 8*, oh and missed just about every Thursday night game for the season** I could have easily beat RD.

*(I was in Maui, you expected me to remember football picks? I had a Tsunami warning for crying out loud)

**(Although arguably on week 14 I would have gotten it wrong anyway. What was I thinking that week? I was the damned bermuda triangle of picks)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:00 PM (0q2P7)

18 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

*sniffle* I've never won anything before! I'm so excited!

(Ok, I've run this gambit into the ground....thanks MWR)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 12:02 PM (xjVxe)

19
>>I don't see Dave or Russ on this list.

Dave didn't do it this year. I think Russ was in CDR-M's league. I'll send him an e-mail.

Posted by: Ben at January 03, 2013 12:03 PM (C2Y4l)

20 Well at least I got 194 on the bowl picks.

What? That sucks too? DiT beat me?

[Hangs head in shame]

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:03 PM (0q2P7)

21 Also, I heard brief mention on the radio yesterday that our man in Venezuela was already fertilizing the daisies...but they, (the cubans, the few Venezuelans that mourn his passing, and Sean Penn, are withholding announcing his timely demise until they can identify, and publicly name a suitable successor to the throne

When it finally comes out that he's dead, I will develop a *cough cough* cold that requires me to leave work. I will then go home via a grocery store, where I will pick up a bottle of therapeutic liquor, and proceed to toast myself back to health.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:04 PM (4df7R)

22 (Ok, I've run this gambit into the ground....thanks MWR)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 12:02 PM (xjVxe)

I do what I can.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:05 PM (4df7R)

23 >>>are withholding announcing his timely demise until they can identify, and publicly name a suitable successor to the throne

That's how things are done in dictatorships. Dear leader? He has a minor cold and is resting for a day or so. [next day] Dear Leader has been dead for a month. Long Live Dear Leader.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:06 PM (0q2P7)

24 Oh come on, Dave has to do it every year! Bell curves!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at January 03, 2013 12:06 PM (i2Lsf)

25 That's how things are done in dictatorships. Dear leader? He has a minor cold and is resting for a day or so. [next day] Dear Leader has been dead for a month. Long Live Dear Leader.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:06 PM (0q2P7)

Kind of like the amazing disappearing Hillary.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:07 PM (4df7R)

26 When it finally comes out that he's dead, I will
develop a *cough cough* cold that requires me to leave work. I will then
go home via a grocery store, where I will pick up a bottle of
therapeutic liquor, and proceed to toast myself back to health.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:04 PM (4df7R)
Has he been that bad? Mostly I consider him ineffectual at everything he does.Heck even his attempt to buy socialism support in New England with free heating oil was largely met with a "meh."At Least Castro managed to stay relevant for decades.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 12:07 PM (xjVxe)

27
That's how things are done in dictatorships.
Dear leader? He has a minor cold and is resting for a day or so. [next
day] Dear Leader has been dead for a month. Long Live Dear Leader.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:06 PM (0q2P7)
**
Heh...Moon over Parador, with less lefty actors. (Except Charo, she hates Castro-I think)

Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2013 12:08 PM (jvd3N)

28 Has he been that bad? Mostly I consider him ineffectual at everything he does.Heck even his attempt to buy socialism support in New England with free heating oil was largely met with a "meh."At Least Castro managed to stay relevant for decades.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 03, 2013 12:07 PM (xjVxe)

He has been as bad as any typical South American commie dictator, and twice as loony. The whole invention of a brand new Venezuelan time zone is what really put him over the top, IMO. That kind of crazy needs to get booted out of power one way or another.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:10 PM (4df7R)

29 So does Hillary and Hugo know Yuri And Drop Off?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:11 PM (fpSpD)

30
The death of a tyrant, even one who will be replaced, is worth celebrating.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)

31 The death of a tyrant, even one who will be replaced, is worth celebrating.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)

Which reminds me. It's been a while since I thought back fondly on the day Kim Jong Il met the barbed cock of Satan. Allow me to do that now.

*does*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:14 PM (4df7R)

32 Boehner vote coming up. He's back in because no one wants the damn job.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:15 PM (1Y+hH)

33 Hail!

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:15 PM (fwARV)

34 I smell brimstone!

Posted by: Hugo at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (1Y+hH)

35 How many people correctly guessed that the Vikings would win their last three games?

I'm guessing "nobody on Earth", because that would've been crazy talk.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (SY2Kh)

36 When Castro bites it (are we sure he hasn't already?), Cuban Libres. What does one drink to celebrate the demise of a Venezuelan tyrant?

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (ZKzrr)

37 Holy shit. Every one of these mother fuckers needs to be castrated and then shot.

*Warning* This will piss you the hell off.

http://tinyurl.com/a5k4mwm

A chilling video leaked by an Anonymous cell this week has added a new twist to a sordid tale of alleged rape that has shattered the peace of a close-knit Ohio football town.

The disturbing 12-minute video, posted online Tuesday by the hacktivist group Knight Sec, shows teens making jokes about the events that reportedly transpired on Aug. 22.

One teen appears to refer to the victim as "deader than" Trayvon Martin, and adds, "she is so raped her p**s is about as dry as the sun right now."

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (fWAjv)

38 So since this is an NFL Pick'em thread, let's ask the question: who's going to win this weekend's playoff games?

Ravens/Colts
Texans/Bengals
Packers/Vikings
Redskins/Seahawks

I can say with all sincerity that I can't pick a definite winner out of any of those.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:17 PM (4df7R)

39 nfl.com link is bad. Maybe just give out the name of the group so we could join with the password?

Posted by: Phat at January 03, 2013 12:17 PM (FE57+)

40 How many people correctly guessed that the Vikings would win their last three games?

I'm guessing "nobody on Earth", because that would've been crazy talk.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (SY2Kh)

Hell, how many people had the 'Skins winning their last seven?

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (fwARV)

41 We call the 'cuba libre' the little lie, because that's the way, we've learned it means in 50 years, We send troops to Vietnam, Panama, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, et al, but we never deal with a problem 90 miles from our shores,

Posted by: phillip fry at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (Jsiw/)

42 One teen appears to refer to the victim as "deader than" Trayvon Martin, and adds, "she is so raped her p**s is about as dry as the sun right now."
Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (fWAjv)

Death is too good for them.

Forcible rape in any form deserves no better than the death penalty. And it should be inflicted with the maximum amount of pain allowed by law. What qualifies as "cruel and unusual" when the defendants themselves are cruel?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (4df7R)

43 OT but sidebar: Fun fact about the Falklands: There is no population native to the islands. Not only were they uninhabited when they were discovered by Europeans, there's no evidence anyone had ever lived there.

Argentina's entire claim boils down to "I can see them from my house."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (T0NGe)

44 When Castro bites it (are we sure he hasn't already?), Cuban Libres. What does one drink to celebrate the demise of a Venezuelan tyrant?
Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (ZKzrr)

I'd go with the cheapest alcohol available. No tyrant is worth quality liquor.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:20 PM (4df7R)

45 we never deal with a problem 90 miles from our shores,

Posted by: phillip fry at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (Jsiw/)
----The embargo should deliver some results any day now...

Posted by: RioBravo at January 03, 2013 12:21 PM (eEfYn)

46 I'm torn on who I want to win the Redskins/Seahawks games. I really like both RGIII and Russell Wilson, darn it!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

47 When Castro bites it (are we sure he hasn't already?), Cuban Libres.
What does one drink to celebrate the demise of a Venezuelan tyrant?

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:16 PM (ZKzrr)

I'd suggest 3.2 beer.

That way you'd have plenty of piss for his grave.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:22 PM (SY2Kh)

48 Forcible rape in any form deserves no better than
the death penalty. And it should be inflicted with the maximum amount of
pain allowed by law. What qualifies as "cruel and unusual" when the
defendants themselves are cruel?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (4df7R)

I'm really, really opposed to the death penalty, but here in Virginia, we voted, and we have it.

That being the case: Why the FUCK don't we execute people for rape, child predation, et al.?

And why do we execute people using a method we reserve for our pets - a method we use because we love them so much, we sought a way to end their suffering? I mean, if we're going to have capital punishment, let's fucking have capital punishment.

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:23 PM (fwARV)

49 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:19 PM (4df7R)

This is the good part of 'anonymous.' When they go after people like this. They are releasing information on the people on www. stopbigred .com

Hope their lives are a living hell.

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2013 12:23 PM (fWAjv)

50 Public gallows anyone?

Just let me have the rotten fruit concession...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:24 PM (fpSpD)

51
"What does one drink to celebrate the demise of a Venezuelan tyrant?"

Drink a White Russian. Venezuelans have had a hell of a time getting milk for years.

Posted by: Hugo at January 03, 2013 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)

52 That way you'd have plenty of piss for his grave.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:22 PM (SY2Kh)

But then you'd actually have to go to Venezuela in order to properly piss on it. Blech.

Maybe you could set up some kind of effigial grave in your own backyard on which to piss? Heck, make it a block party; get the whole neighborhood involved. "Come have a piss on the faux grave of a dead dictator!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:25 PM (4df7R)

53 And why do we execute people using a method we reserve for our pets - a
method we use because we love them so much, we sought a way to end their
suffering? I mean, if we're going to have capital punishment, let's
fucking have capital punishment.

What would you suggest? Stoning? Beheading?

I'm in favor of capital punishment, but being brutal about it would lower us.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)

54 Drink a White Russian. Venezuelans have had a hell of a time getting milk for years.

Posted by: Hugo at January 03, 2013 12:24 PM (1Y+hH)

Or an Ovechkin. That's a White Russian with no Cup.

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:26 PM (fwARV)

55 That being the case: Why the FUCK don't we execute people for rape, child predation, et al.?

Perverse incentive to kill the victim.

And why do we execute people using a method we reserve for our pets - a
method we use because we love them so much, we sought a way to end their
suffering?

Lawyers. Actually, judges but same thing.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2013 12:26 PM (T0NGe)

56 The group name is AOS.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at January 03, 2013 12:26 PM (yn6XZ)

57 Next Sean Penn movie?

Weekend at Hugo's

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:27 PM (fpSpD)

58 Ugh OT anti gun thing..
Has anyone else seen this regarding first oklahoma bank denying a gun shop credit because it is a gun shop? A very questionable business decision with the current boom in firearms sales, and possibly ironic if they used armed guards. Could be BS, but thought I would toss it in here.

http://www.facebook.com/COLIONNOIR

http://www.facebook.com/2VetsArmsCo?group_id=0

Posted by: gigg423 at January 03, 2013 12:27 PM (41VCE)

59 What would you suggest? Stoning? Beheading?

Drawing and quartering, and for the traditionally-minded, an option to die as a gladiator for the glory of the SCoaMF.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 12:27 PM (QKKT0)

60 I'm in favor of capital punishment, but being brutal about it would lower us.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)

I don't have a rational answer that would actually serve. It's a purely emotional argument that I'm making, which is all the more frustrating in that I try to avoid precisely that.

I think I'm just tired of hearing how some poor man who raped and slaughtered six children is having his rights violated because the IV needle is too big a gauge, and is causing him pain.

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (fwARV)

61

Broncos at number 1 in all the power rankings. Defense is quite good, but I guess it is a quarterbacks' league. Passing yardage stats for this year for all QBsare amazing. The rule changes haveexploded the passing game.

Crap QBs are throwing for over 300 yards right and left.

Posted by: Hugo at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (1Y+hH)

62 Ooooh. Kahlua.

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

63 46 I'm torn on who I want to win the Redskins/Seahawks games. I really like both RGIII and Russell Wilson, darn it!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

Steelers are out of it. Work in DC.

GO REDSKINS!!

(going to be a helluva game)

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (fWAjv)

64 >And why do we execute people using a method we reserve for our pets - a
method we use because we love them so much, we sought a way to end their
suffering?

because it makes us feel better about ourselves while we administer the ultimate penalty

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (8sCoq)

65 Trashing Hugo sock.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:29 PM (1Y+hH)

66 because it makes us feel better about ourselves while we administer the ultimate penalty

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:28 PM (8sCoq)

I agree. That's kind of my point. Isn't that an emotional argument? Haven't we (specific to VA) as an electorate determined that we have a societal obligation to execute certain people for certain crimes?

Why the need to sugar-coat it?

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:30 PM (fwARV)

67 >>>That being the case: Why the FUCK don't we execute people for rape, child predation, et al.?

Well in the case of child predation you have a valid point. In the case of rape the whole crime hinges off not the act itself but whether or not consent was obtained. That's murky water for a capital crime. Some cases are obvious. Some cases, even of apparent forcible rape are less so. And while in principal I agree, in a perfect world where we could know everything about a crime, forcible rape should be punished by death, or at least have that option as a punishment, in the real world of really knowing precious little about what actually happens in the apparent commission of a crime I am not prepared to say the option of the death penalty should be available.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:30 PM (0q2P7)

68 I pick Minnesota to lose every week and Miami to win every week...

my 142 score suffered accordingly....

But it was a moral victory.

Posted by: Portnoy at January 03, 2013 12:31 PM (Kgrin)

69 Lawyers. Actually, judges but same thing.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2013 12:26 PM (T0NGe)

Lawyers make up 3% of the population and are blamed for 97% of its ills.
Join my Villainy Fairness Initiative. Let other bad guys have some skin in the game for a change.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 12:32 PM (QKKT0)

70 I'm in favor of capital punishment, but being brutal about it would lower us.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:25 PM (SY2Kh)

Retribution that hurts reaffirms society's values.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 12:33 PM (QKKT0)

71

I keep noticing that what we want is not what we get, and this happening on many fronts.

Dang it. We must be a minority in this country.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:34 PM (1Y+hH)

72 In the case of rape the whole crime hinges off not the act itself but whether or not consent was obtained. That's murky water for a capital crime.

Agreed. This would be very dangerous territory, especially considering how far down rape has been defined, particularly on college campuses.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2013 12:34 PM (v+QvA)

73
where's Ace?

i haz ideer

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 12:35 PM (xVKk3)

74 >>>Retribution that hurts reaffirms society's values.

At a certain point that's God's problem. If the goal is to kill them. Do it and let divine judgement deal with the rest.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:35 PM (0q2P7)

75 And now I've hijacked the thread.

Sorry all.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:35 PM (fwARV)

76 Lawyers make up 3% of the population and are blamed for 97% of its ills.

Too low.

First, although I'd like to believe they're 3%, they're not.

Ask yourself this. Are they 3% of our elected representative bodies?

No? So who is being represented?

Join my Villainy Fairness Initiative. Let other bad guys have some skin in the game for a change.

They'd still have lawyers defending them.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 03, 2013 12:36 PM (T0NGe)

77 Link fixt

Posted by: Andy at January 03, 2013 12:36 PM (C/NnJ)

78 Barry boned me like he boned you!

Posted by: Reggie Love at January 03, 2013 12:36 PM (Cm5S0)

79 Well, congratulations to drstanly. In my case, weeks 3 through 8 pretty much doomed any chances I had. :-(((

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 03, 2013 12:36 PM (wtvvX)

80 >I agree. That's kind of my point. Isn't that an emotional argument?
Haven't we (specific to VA) as an electorate determined that we have a
societal obligation to execute certain people for certain crimes?

Why the need to sugar-coat it?

to absolve ourselves of any notions of brutality, I guess. Some people have convinced themselves that lethal injection is somehow 'less violent' a method. Probably- but the condemned person is just as dead as if he had been hanged.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:36 PM (8sCoq)

81

Broncos.

Finally.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:37 PM (1Y+hH)

82
>>> Join my Villainy Fairness Initiative.

I would consider it if you created a more clever name that would translate into a nifty acronym.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 12:37 PM (ZCAlb)

83 Thomas Jefferson talked of executing the convicted seven days after being found guilty. There is some validity for that, cause and effect. Now it takes what 15 to 20 years to put to death someone on death row? So the connection is not as apparent and the memories fade then next thing its Free Mumia!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:37 PM (fpSpD)

84 Retribution that hurts reaffirms society's values.

Many millions of Muslims agree.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:38 PM (SY2Kh)

85 They are voting right know for the Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2013 12:38 PM (79ueO)

86

Rule #1 when creating a semi-secret evil organization:

make the name of it an Acronym

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 12:39 PM (jlW3q)

87 Ted Nugent for Speaker of the Taxed!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:39 PM (fpSpD)

88 Lawyers make up 3% of the population and are blamed for 97% of its ills.

Too low.

How could it be wrong? I got it from a study. A SCIENTIFIC study.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 12:39 PM (QKKT0)

89
They are voting right know for the Speaker of the House.

You know things are bad when no one wants the job.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:39 PM (1Y+hH)

90 Well in the case of child predation you have a valid point. In the case of rape the whole crime hinges off not the act itself but whether or not consent was obtained. That's murky water for a capital crime. Some cases are obvious. Some cases, even of apparent forcible rape are less so. And while in principal I agree, in a perfect world where we could know everything about a crime, forcible rape should be punished by death, or at least have that option as a punishment, in the real world of really knowing precious little about what actually happens in the apparent commission of a crime I am not prepared to say the option of the death penalty should be available.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:30 PM (0q2P7)

This is why I think the death penalty should be a possible option for ANY felony. I want a person to know, when he or she commits a crime, that if it is heinous enough they may face the death penalty. You brutally butcher someone during a home invasion? You could get the death penalty. You swindle hundreds of senior citizens and desperate homeowners out of millions of dollars and leave them destitute? You could get the death penalty. It would be up to the prosecution's discretion, just as it is now, so it wouldn't be used 99.9% of the time. But in that 0.1% of cases where it's suitable, and in the 0.1% of those cases that wouldn't otherwise have been eligible for the death penalty, I think it's the way to go.

YM, of course, MV.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:39 PM (4df7R)

91

S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

T.H.R.U.S.H.

KAOS

the last one an acronym? I dunno

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 12:40 PM (LL42r)

92 Soothsayer you forgot one acronym - U. N.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:41 PM (fpSpD)

93 Illinois Dennys Refuses To Serve Police Officers Because Of Their Guns

http://is.gd/AMYa8h

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:41 PM (8sCoq)

94 Public gallows anyone?

Just let me have the rotten fruit concession...

Electrocution. Using enough juice that a nuke plant has to go to overtime hours.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2013 12:42 PM (GFM2b)

95
yes, which brings us to U.N.C.L.E.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2013 12:43 PM (3Aqe5)

96 HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

SLEET TO THE RAVENS!

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:43 PM (ZKzrr)

97 Illinois Dennys Refuses To Serve Police Officers Because Of Their Guns

http://is.gd/AMYa8h
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:41 PM (8sCoq)

If I were a crook, I'd hold that place up tonight and not worry one bit about a fast response time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2013 12:44 PM (79ueO)

98 Refusing the cops, well there goes your free security. Smart move Ex-Lax.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:44 PM (fpSpD)

99
Voting for Speaker now. Not even a live thread, but during a football thread.

Fitting, actually.

Three non-votes for Boehner so far.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:45 PM (1Y+hH)

100 SMOG TO THE VIKINGS!

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadish at January 03, 2013 12:45 PM (ZKzrr)

101 Thomas Jefferson talked of executing the convicted seven days after being found guilty. There is some validity for that, cause and effect. Now it takes what 15 to 20 years to put to death someone on death row?

Caught in the act should warrant hours. Not days.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2013 12:45 PM (GFM2b)

102 HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

SLEET TO THE RAVENS!

Posted by: Kinder, Gentler HeatherRadishďż˝ at January 03, 2013 12:43 PM (ZKzrr)

And Retirement to Ray Lewis!

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:45 PM (fwARV)

103 >If I were a crook, I'd hold that place up tonight and not worry one bit about a fast response time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2013 12:44 PM (79ueO)

did you read the story? all this because of a complaint from ONE CUSTOMER
the police chief then declared all Denny's off-limits to all his officers

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (8sCoq)

104 Illinois Dennys Refuses To Serve Police Officers Because Of Their Guns

Denny's is a Gun Free Zone. Mostly, anyway.

http://tinyurl.com/byh9quv

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (QKKT0)

105 In the case of rape the whole crime hinges off not the act itself but whether or not consent was obtained. That's murky water for a capital crime.

Which says to me that we either need to reaffirm the actual definition of rape to clear up the haziness, OR we make the punishment for making a false rape accusation severe enough to deter such accusations. I'm particularly in favor of the second option, myself. False rape accusers not only irrevocably harm those they accuse, but they also make it that much harder for genuine victims to come forward and be believed.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)

106 It would be up to the prosecution's discretion, just as it is now, so it
wouldn't be used 99.9% of the time. But in that 0.1% of cases where
it's suitable, and in the 0.1% of those cases that wouldn't otherwise
have been eligible for the death penalty, I think it's the way to go.

Felony charges used to be reserved for major crimes- murder, rape, egregious theft, etc. Now, damned near everything is or can be charged as a felony. Do you really trust an agent of the state with discretion regarding who deserves to die for their crimes?

You do see the danger in where that could lead, right?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (SY2Kh)

107 Delaware taxpayers appear to be getting soaked twice under a deal in which the Democratic governor lent $21.5 million to a hybrid electric carmaker to set up shop in the state. The company has yet to produce a car in Delaware, and taxpayers are footing the electric bill for the idle plant.
The deal was enthusiastically announced in 2009 by Gov. Jack Markell and Vice President Biden -- formerly Delaware's senior senator -- as a way to bring as many as 2,500 green jobs to the state. But California-based Fisker Automotive Inc. has since suffered a series of setbacks that have compounded its shaky financial situation.

Pardon me while I laugh so hard I might pee myself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (79ueO)

108 Rep. Tim Cooper (D-TN) voted for Colin Powell.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (YjDyJ)

109 And Retirement to Ray Lewis!
Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:45 PM (fwARV)

FINALLY.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:47 PM (4df7R)

110 >>>It would be up to the prosecution's discretion, just as it is now, so
it wouldn't be used 99.9% of the time. But in that 0.1% of cases where
it's suitable, and in the 0.1% of those cases that wouldn't otherwise
have been eligible for the death penalty, I think it's the way to go.

You imagine a justice system wherein the relevant parties actually are seeking justice. Prosecutors don't prosecute seeking justice they seek to win, and will use any leverage to do so. Defendants and their lawyers wish to get off for the crime whether or not they are guilty. The Judge has his own career and the reputation of the court he will invariably place in front of justice. Which leaves only the least informed, least qualified people in the room, the Jury, as justices sole representative in the proceedings, and their emotional state can sway them to use retribution the rational mind would recoil from. Hence Locke's theory of crime and punishment, punishment should not be dealt out with passion, but with a rational impartiality.

Sorry no. With a real system as full of flaws as our real system is. Legal application of the death penalty should be limited, so that misapplication might also be limited.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:47 PM (0q2P7)

111 5 non-votes now.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 12:48 PM (1Y+hH)

112 Jones in CO, one complaint about Hemmingway's house and its cats. So now the Federal government is going to dictate how things are managed because the Federal courts have ruled under the Interstate Commerce Clause they can. You see the house in Key West used the cats as part of its advertising which crossed state lines.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:48 PM (fpSpD)

113 Rep. Tim Cooper (D-TN) voted for Colin Powell.

I vote for Marcel Ledbetter.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 03, 2013 12:49 PM (B+qrE)

114 You do see the danger in where that could lead, right?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2013 12:46 PM (SY2Kh)

Yes, I do. And I still support it. if punishment for heinous crimes is insufficiently applied because the definition of what constitutes a heinous crime has been muddied by lesser crimes, then you have to look at the entire criminal code and fix it. It's not nice and it's hard and it might be impossible in this day and age; that doesn't mean it's not right.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)

115 2 votes for Rep. West.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 03, 2013 12:51 PM (YjDyJ)

116
Sounds like to much thin skin all around on that Denny's story.

<<Sax said the restaurants general manager eventually came over and said it was fine for the detectives to be in the restaurant.

At this point the detectives were very embarrassed and felt the
situation was entirely too awkward for them to remain and all left the
restaurant, Sax said.

A spokesperson for Dennys told Fox News told Fox News the restaurant
manager made a mistake. They do allow both uniformed and non-uniformed
officers to carry weapons in the restaurant.

The spokesman said it was a case of miscommunication. They said the
manager was trying to do the right thing after a diner had complained.>>

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 03, 2013 12:52 PM (81UWZ)

117 Sorry no. With a real system as full of flaws as our real system is. Legal application of the death penalty should be limited, so that misapplication might also be limited.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 03, 2013 12:47 PM (0q2P7)

I agree to a point. But I think the answer is to fix the legal system (yes, I know -- you can stop laughing!). Good luck with that, true. But I prefer to believe that actual JUSTICE is still possible.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 03, 2013 12:52 PM (4df7R)

118 Abolish the death sentence!!!

And FREE MUMIA!!11!!

Posted by: dananjcon at January 03, 2013 12:53 PM (jvd3N)

119 "all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer,
while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the
forms to which they are accustomed.â

â Declaration of Independence

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 12:54 PM (fwARV)

120 The spokesman said it was a case of miscommunication. They said the
manager was trying to do the right thing after a diner had complained.>>
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 03, 2013 12:52 PM (81UWZ)

They should have thrown the diner out on his ass

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2013 12:55 PM (79ueO)

121 The spokesman said it was a case of miscommunication. They said the

manager was trying to do the right thing after a diner had complained

-----

OK.... some knuckhead complains to the manager about them there Spics and Negroes.

.... the "right thing" would be to......?????

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2013 12:58 PM (nELVU)

122
Looks like 8 non-Boehner votes.

Who was the last Speaker conservatives liked?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 01:01 PM (1Y+hH)

123

So Dunkin Donuts is going to really make out over this Denny's thing I take it.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 01:02 PM (1Y+hH)

124 Why didn't the stupid Denny's manager say "bye" to the complainer?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 01:03 PM (1Y+hH)

125 I'd like to vote Tyrion Lannister for Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Lord Commander of the Ampersand Army at January 03, 2013 01:04 PM (GBXon)

126 The spokesman said it was a case of miscommunication. They said the

manager was trying to do the right thing after a diner had complained.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 03, 2013 12:52 PM (81UWZ)

The next time I'm in a Denny's I'll complain to the manager that all of the staff and patrons are unarmed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 03, 2013 01:08 PM (QKKT0)

127 98 Refusing the cops, well there goes your free security. Smart move Ex-Lax.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 03, 2013 12:44 PM (fpSpD)
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I do believe that's *smooth* move, Ex-Lax.

Posted by: Rev. Al Morsharpsi at January 03, 2013 01:16 PM (qw+yV)

128 HEY! I have a villainous organization idea, complete with acronym!

Menacing Organized Renegades Oppressing Neoliberal Stupidity!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 03, 2013 01:26 PM (wtvvX)

129 Who was the last Speaker conservatives liked?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 03, 2013 01:01 PM (1Y+hH)

Newt?

Posted by: washington nearsider at January 03, 2013 01:54 PM (fwARV)

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