Domino's Wins Temporary Injunction Against Birth-Control Mandate on Religious Conscience Grounds

Previously, Hobby Lobby lost its own bid for an injunction. Now Domino's wins, creating a split that will have to be resolved by higher courts at some point.

A federal judge has ordered a temporary halt on the Obama administration’s birth-control coverage policy for Tom Monaghan, the Catholic billionaire who founded Domino’s Pizza.

Federal District Court Judge Lawrence P. Zatkoff issued the decision Sunday, less than two days before the policy would have taken effect and exposed Monaghan to fines for non-compliance.

“Plaintiff has shown that abiding by the mandate will substantially burden his exercise of religion,” Zatkoff wrote.

“The government has failed to satisfy its burden of showing that its actions were narrowly tailored to serve a compelling interest. … This factor weighs in favor of granting Plaintiffs’ motion.”

How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month for birth control?

The feminists have an odd theory that religious strictures about sex and birth control are specifically about controlling women's reproduction, taking decisions from women and giving them to "the patriarchy." They insist that such strictures exist specifically to subtract rights from women to deliver them to men (or male-dominated institutions), rather than serving as directives that apply to both genders.

So they've ginned up $3-6 per month as a serious civil rights issue. If men needed birth control, it would already be paid for, they insist, overlooking the fact that men do need (or, at least, often want) birth control, and men's birth control expenses are also not covered.

As is true with so much of our politics -- and I think this is detestable -- the bottom-line consequences of what they seek are minor in the extreme. What is really sought is an encoded-into-law declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another, to the extent that the culture which has lost this political debate is actually now illegal and cannot exist as it previously had.

While such matters were previously left to each individual conscience -- each person herself or himself decided whether to use birth control, and paid using his own private money -- a law is now on the books stating that everyone must pay for birth control, no matter what one's religious beliefs may say about it.

This isn't about $3-6 per month, of course. It's specifically about using the law to win a cultural argument through coercive force. If you can't persuade them, criminalize them.

Posted by: Ace at 12:24 PM



Comments

1 How long before dumbass leftsts start a boycott of Domino's Pizza?

Telling them "he hasn't had anything to do with them in years" can't stop the stupid.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:50 PM (e0xKF)

2 Hobby Lobby ran afoul of the hag. It will have to go to the full court.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 12:51 PM (53z96)

3 Are the comments screwed up or was it really almost half an hour before anyone commented?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 02, 2013 12:52 PM (IvVLN)

4 Ace, you're on a roll today with the posts.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 12:52 PM (lhBr9)

5 Just make it available without a prescription. Put the decision in the woman's hands, not her employer. Result: birth control is more affordable and available, and the religious sensibilities of Catholics and other groups are not molested.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 12:53 PM (Hz1zc)

6 $3-6 a month? If only I had that many chances...

Posted by: Kathy Griffin at January 02, 2013 12:53 PM (FcR7P)

7 Mmmmm.....pizza. Too bad it's on my List of Forbidden Foods for 2013....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:53 PM (UOM48)

8 It's a tax.

a/k/a: Fuck you, you'll do what we tell you.

Posted by: The Piss-Yellow Coward, John Roberts at January 02, 2013 12:54 PM (imtbm)

9 Last time I checked, you could get condoms out of a machine at a gas station bathroom.

Posted by: EC at January 02, 2013 12:54 PM (GQ8sn)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:54 PM (8y9MW)

11 How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating
in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month
for birth control?


not only that weren't some religions given waivers with Obamacare because of religious ideas, and others because well because we say so!?

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

12 Kathy Griffin is all the birth control I need.

Posted by: looking closely at January 02, 2013 12:55 PM (PwGfd)

13
not only that weren't some religions given waivers with Obamacare because of religious ideas, and others because well because we say so!?

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If Christians said they'd cut off heads and blow up buildings if they were forced to participate in this, they'd get the same exemption some other groups got.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:56 PM (e0xKF)

14 Kathy just wants to remain relevant.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 12:56 PM (lhBr9)

15 14 Kathy just wants to remain relevant.

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Words that just don't go together...

"Kathy Griffen" and "relevant".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (e0xKF)

16 Can't wait until we get our first Federal judge from Dearborn, MI. Then we'll learn a thing or two about religious freedom.

Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (FcR7P)

17 ::How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating
in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per
month for birth control?::


How did we come to the point where you have to sue in court to keep the government from requiring you to violate your religious beliefs?

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (RSqz2)

18 Too bad you know who's father did not have a vasectomy...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (Q8Pu5)

19 Kathy just wants to remain become relevant.

FIFY.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (8y9MW)

20 "As is true with so much of our politics -- and I think this is
detestable -- the bottom-line consequences of what they seek are minor
in the extreme. What is really sought is an encoded-into-law
declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another, to the
extent that the culture which has lost this political debate is actually
now illegal and cannot exist as it previously had."




It's no surprise to me that so many women are on the Left because their entire political mentality seems to boil down to "I'm the mommy, that's why".

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 12:58 PM (eP0u9)

21 A newspaper just north of New York City that published maps on its website showing the names and addresses of pistol-permit holders in its coverage area has reportedly hired armed guards at one of its offices.

The Journal News, a Gannett Co. Inc. publication based in White Plains, N.Y., hired the armed security guards days after posting the maps in the wake of last month's deadly rampage at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., the Rockland County Times reported.

Posted by: Jared Loughner at January 02, 2013 12:58 PM (e8kgV)

22 So they've ginned up $3-6 per month as a serious civil rights issue. If men needed birth control, it would already be paid for, they insist, overlooking the fact that men do need (or, at least, often want) birth control, and men's birth control expenses are also not covered.

Both the birth control pill and erectile dysfunction medication are to benefit someone other than the patient.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 12:58 PM (T0NGe)

23 Brandon, I had thought we were all equal in law?

I'm gonna claim victim status in that I have read trannies can get free change me operations while i still have to live with my unimpressive breasts i was born with.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (nqBYe)

24 @ 16 We already got a prezzy from the tribe...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (Q8Pu5)

25 Kathy wishes she were as popular as Chelsea Handler, who has a huge following. While I may disagree with Chelsea's politics, she's a million times funnier than Kathy.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (lhBr9)

26 If Christians said they'd cut off heads and blow up buildings if they were forced to participate in this, they'd get the same exemption some other groups got. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge

No, they'd be declared domestic terrorists, and the outspoken would be jailed.

It's part of the leftie project to muddy the country and then selectively prosecute those that defy them. Permanent power.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (KDq5l)

27 Is it $3-6 a month because the paper bags with Kathy Griffin's face on them keep wearing out?

Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (FcR7P)

28 >>>"What is really sought is an encoded-into-law declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another"

Same thing with same-sex marriage

Posted by: Cricket at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (DrC22)

29
How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month for birth control?

We did this when we started electing Progressives to office. They are all anti-American, anti-Constitutionalists.

Every single one of them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (yiIja)

30 23 Brandon, I had thought we were all equal in law?

I'm gonna claim victim status in that I have read trannies can get free change me operations while i still have to live with my unimpressive breasts i was born with.

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Unfortunately, some pigs are more equal than others in the Obama world.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (e0xKF)

31 A filthy Papist and a filthy billionaire!

Remind me again why the Department of Agriculture funds their national TV campaign?

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (I2LwF)

32 We came to this point because at every point in the past we were told this was not the hill to die on.

So instead of dying on a hill in any particular battle we will die as a nation because we were told if we just compromise a little here, give in a little there victory will be ours tomorrow.

Well tomorrow has arrived and we are well and truly fucked.

Good job RINOS and Moderates may you be rammed by the barbed cock of Satan you useless cock suckers!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (RrD4h)

33 I'd wager that this decision will be overturned. Compelling Government Interest trumps the Constitution in the opinion of the activist left judiciary.

The Obama administration will shop for a Clinton or Obama appointee who will rule in favor of the government, because shut up.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (SY2Kh)

34 What is really sought is an encoded-into-law

declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another

and that's the real deal.
We are shoved into little soldiers of sameness for the greater good. Individuality is a a curse .

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (nqBYe)

35
Its a tax!!!!

Posted by: General Roberts Ackbar at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (nELVU)

36 While I may disagree with Chelsea's politics, she's a million times funnier than Kathy.

Damning with faint praise.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (T0NGe)

37 1
How long before dumbass leftsts start a boycott of Domino's Pizza?






Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:50 PM

They already want to boycott Papa John's over some issue with Obamacare

Shit, maybe if enough companies piss off leftists to the point where they boycott, we can starve the leftards

Posted by: kbdabear at January 02, 2013 01:02 PM (wwsoB)

38 If they are breats, they are by definition "impressive".

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 02, 2013 01:02 PM (r5w1L)

39 23 Brandon, I had thought we were all equal in law?

Can you get a job in the judiciary? No? 1/3rd of government shut out to you?

Sounds pretty unequal to me.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:02 PM (T0NGe)

40 eat your arugula!

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:03 PM (nqBYe)

41 38 If they are breats, they are by definition "impressive".

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It depends who they are on.

If they are on a man, they are NOT "impressive".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:03 PM (e0xKF)

42 We need the 'pub side female types to fight this .... Grandma Bush, the various Fox chicks, etc. - just personalize and ridicule the left: eg. "Sandra, dear. You need to date a better class of men, one's who can afford their own condoms. God Bless."

We men folk have limited room to maneuver in these seas.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:03 PM (gvWL9)

43 We need to decouple health care from employment.
I don't want my employer telling me what medical services I can or cannot have based on his, and not my own, religious convictions.

Posted by: whatever at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (uqgNw)

44 Anal = free birth control.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (GFM2b)

45 It depends who they are on.



If they are on a man, they are NOT "impressive".


Impressive does not necessarily have a positive connotation.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (T0NGe)

46 This is just more feminizing of our culture.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (yiIja)

47 Ace,

I think you're missing a subtle point here thought. Part of this fight is about "normalizing the sexes." that is to say, if Birth Control is "Free" (in quotes because we know it's not actually free but cost shifted, but let's roll with that for now as how the crazies think).
Anyway, if "free" then it opens access to "all women" (again, not true but roll with it.)
Then woman can use it and (here's the kicker) be just like men not having to worry about the consequences of sex (yes I know, other consequences, I didn't say this argument was logical! It's progressive after all).
This also explains the addition of all forms of birth control, not just the generic pill form (which would have been the cheapest way to achieve the goal they claim they're going after.)
So this issue isn't a cultural debate in the "pro-birth control" and "no Birth control" clans. It's about changing (eliminating/hiding) any differences between the sexes. Which is strange.

Oh and eugenics. It's also about eugenics. Sanger's grand experiment in birth control had the opposite outcome she hoped for (i.e. that the poor and blacks would self select and thus eliminate themselves from the population.) In fact, it was rich whites who did all the self selecting (broading speaking not focused on abortion.) In part some would suggest this is because birth control cost money (not much but enough that people choose not to buy it) and requires (minimal) effort. So you make it free and effortless (again speaking as someone who thinks like this would) and maybe Sanger's ideas will work (unlikely.) That's the only way you justify the "savings through pregnancy prevention" argument.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (4F5x1)

48 He founded Domino's but no longer owns it. It is his new business that is involved in the litigation.

Posted by: ejo at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (GXvSO)

49 As usual, everything that needs to be said was said in the first 30 comments.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 01:05 PM (I2LwF)

50 Anal = free birth control.

I wouldn't say "free".

It usually costs a shitload of money in the form of buying dinner, a lot of drinks, and at least one piece of jewelery.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (SY2Kh)

51 I still get my pills though, right? I was promised pills. I WANT MY PILLS.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (71LDo)

52 Tax all the churches and all their charities.

A lot of fucking weasels hide behind the cloak of religion and collect big bucks from the poor deluded dupes of their congregations.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (G6kli)

53 How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month for birth control?

Behold the power of my fully operational fur hatch.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (Lxw+T)

54
More bad news for Global Warming 'tards.

http://tinyurl.com/bgerm54

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (OlN4e)

55 "Sandra, dear. You need to date a better class of men, one's who can afford their own condoms. God Bless."





Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:03 PM (gvWL9)

I've been saying this forever. And Why would women give up rights to their own lady bits to the 'MAN', I'm sure there won't be consequences ever for that.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (nqBYe)

56 43 We need to decouple health care from employment.
I don't want my employer telling me what medical services I can or cannot have based on his, and not my own, religious convictions.

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Good in theory, but the individual policy market sucks and these shitweasels are setting the table up for single-payer.

At that point, some government bureaucrat can decide that you need euthanasia in the hospital and not even bother to tell you. Look up the "Liverpool pathway" from the UK.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (e0xKF)

57 Domino's sucks BTW.

Posted by: Too early to go off on a tangent? at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (KXm42)

58 If they are on a man, they are NOT "impressive".
Speak for yourself!

Posted by: michael moore at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (jPVBi)

59 Just a question: Have Democrats never read Huxley?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (8y9MW)

60 Anal = free birth control.

I wouldn't say "free".

It usually costs a shitload of money in the form of buying dinner, a lot of drinks, and at least one piece of jewelery.

True. Or copious amunts of valu-rite vodka.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (GFM2b)

61 Don't want to discuss it
I think it's time for a change
You may get disgusted
And think Im strange
In that case I'll go underground
Get some heavy rest
Never have to worry
About what is worst and what is best
Oh oh domino

Posted by: Van at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (SO2Q8)

62 Don't you love how my hash ironically resembles the word "dildo?"

My ham hole has magical powers.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (Lxw+T)

63 What the left is attempting to do is make so many laws and regulations that it will make all of us criminals, subject to the same treatment as criminals. I'm sure I'm breaking some kind of federal law or regulation just sitting here commenting on my computer.

Of course, registered dems will get a pass. They're special.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (wogps)

64 It depends who they are on.

If they are on a man, they are NOT "impressive".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:03 PM (e0xKF)

I guarantee you would be hard put to tell the difference in close up between a male and female breast.

Same is true of ass.

And I'm not even taking into account the lady boys.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (G6kli)

65 Religious liberty my ass.
When someone else limits what I can or cannot do, that is tyranny. Individuals have religious liberty, not institutions or corporations or businesses.

Posted by: whatever at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (uqgNw)

66 50 Anal = free birth control.

I wouldn't say "free".

It usually costs a shitload of money in the form of buying dinner, a lot of drinks, and at least one piece of jewelery.

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"You do anal? You're DEFINITELY getting a bracelet".

Posted by: J-Date guy at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (e0xKF)

67 Behold the power of my fully operational fur hatch.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (Lxw+T)

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I bet theres a heat ventilation shaft that goes straight to the core. Just like shooting wamprats back on Tattooine.

Posted by: Luke Skywalker at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (nELVU)

68 This isn't about $3-6 per month, of course. It's specifically about
using the law to win a cultural argument through coercive force. If you
can't persuade them, criminalize them.
_________________

Yup. This was about Obama hauling off and taking a punch at the Catholic Church specifically to excite the Lena Dunham part of his base.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (Nfpnr)

69 Well, I have magical powers @51, anyway.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (Lxw+T)

70 43, whatever. So many ills can be solved so simply, first, End Withholding, then Make health care a personal vice business deduction, then stand back vote No on everything else and let Adam Smith's pimp hand do its thing.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (gznAu)

71 "Oh well I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..." - Elvis Costello

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (7ObY1)

72 Why do men want to stick their penis where someone poops? This goes for gays and straights. What the fuckig fuck are you thinking? IT'S A BUTT!!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (I2LwF)

73 63 What the left is attempting to do is make so many laws and regulations that it will make all of us criminals, subject to the same treatment as criminals. I'm sure I'm breaking some kind of federal law or regulation just sitting here commenting on my computer.

Of course, registered dems will get a pass. They're special.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:08 PM (wogps)

Hey punkin do you really think the "left" are the only ones making laws which chip away at our civil liberties and constitutional rights?

Or you could be drunk.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (G6kli)

74 52
Tax all the churches and all their charities.



A lot of fucking weasels hide behind the cloak of religion and
collect big bucks from the poor deluded dupes of their congregations.





Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM

I assume that you include Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in your rant.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (wwsoB)

75 While I may disagree with Chelsea's politics, she's a million times funnier than Kathy.

That's the crazy thing. Most people are funnier than Kathy Griffin.




Posted by: Too early to go off on a tangent? at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (KXm42)

76 Oh, and , stay out of my womb!
unless you're the new improved totally aiming to be a helpless woman.

what a shame this all is.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (nqBYe)

77 63 What the left is attempting to do is make so many laws and regulations that it will make all of us criminals, subject to the same treatment as criminals. I'm sure I'm breaking some kind of federal law or regulation just sitting here commenting on my computer.

Of course, registered dems will get a pass. They're special.

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Of course, when all of us are officially criminals, it removes the stigma of various actions.

Hoist the black flag!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (e0xKF)

78
Meanwhile, some 3500 innocent children will die today in abortion mills, again to satisfy the radical feminine Leftard agenda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (yiIja)

79 I bet theres a heat ventilation shaft that goes straight to the core. Just like shooting wamprats back on Tattooine.

It's race-shielded. You racisty racist.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (Lxw+T)

80 @65 Thank you for that dose of stoopid. Now see if you can find the door.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (OlN4e)

81 12 Kathy Griffin is all the birth control I need. ---

Technically she qualifies as erection control. So that's more than you ought to need.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (SO2Q8)

82 "Why do men want to stick their penis where someone poops? This goes for gays and straights. What the fuckig fuck are you thinking? IT'S A BUTT!!"

Same reason we stick them anywhere else we can.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (Hz1zc)

83 Religious liberty my ass.

When someone else limits what I can or cannot do, that is tyranny.
Individuals have religious liberty, not institutions or corporations or
businesses.


Do I really have to explain how stupid this argument is?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (SY2Kh)

84 Have Democrats never read Huxley?

I'm convinced they see Brave New World as an aspiration.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 01:11 PM (S/WR4)

85 72 - Exactly. I don't understand why straight men would want to engage in that. Or why women would for that matter. Touching the derriere, totally acceptable, entering the derriere, completely unacceptable.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:11 PM (lhBr9)

86 Most people are funnier than Kathy Griffin.

So is my doorstop.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 02, 2013 01:11 PM (Lxw+T)

87 Well Good Afternoon on my first day kinda back at work and boy did we get rick rolled on that Budget deal as usual.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:11 PM (79ueO)

88 Hey punkin do you really think the "left" are the
only ones making laws which chip away at our civil liberties and
constitutional rights?



Or you could be drunk.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM

OK sweetums, tell us which one of your cherished freedoms are being taken away by those evil reich-wingers.

Oh, and "freedom" isn't "I get my shit free"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (wwsoB)

89 As always, where are my batteries, bitch?

Second as always, I utterly adore the fact that I can hurl accusation of heternomativity towards those fighting for this and, for once, it's an accurate charge. I truly do find that delicious.

As always the third, the only person whose birth control I'm paying for is the person I'm banging. Ipso facto, if I'm paying for everyone's birth control, I get to bang whoever I want. It's science!


The feminists have an odd theory that religious strictures about sex and birth control are specifically about controlling women's reproduction, taking decisions from women and giving them to "the patriarchy."



Here's a hint, sweeties, if the patriarchy is making you have sex against your will, that's called rape. Awwww, but you don't want me to have a gun to shoot those who are raping you. Isn't that a pity?


Now, if it's not rape, then you are simply being a cheap slut who wants pleasure without consequences. Trust me, there's tech for that.


I'm not kidding about the batteries thing, by the way. My demand that I be granted a subsidy for batteries and/or supplemental support to pay my power bill makes just as much as sense as a demand that I pay for someone else's prescription for the pill.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (VtjlW)

90 The institution doesn't make the final decision on Your personal behavior.
You do.
If they did it would be another story.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (nqBYe)

91 72 Why do men want to stick their penis where someone poops? This goes for gays and straights. What the fuckig fuck are you thinking? IT'S A BUTT!!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (I2LwF)

I agree.

But

http://www.ivillage.com/5-myths-anal-sex-uncovered/4-a-284083

5 Myths of Anal Sex Uncovered

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (G6kli)

92 Meanwhile, some 3500 innocent children will die today in abortion mills, again to satisfy the radical feminine Leftard agenda.

175 Sandy Hooks with zero calls for bans.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (GFM2b)

93 Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:10 PM (Hz1zc)

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (KDq5l)

94 A lot of fucking weasels hide behind the cloak of religion and

collect big bucks from the poor deluded dupes of their congregations.


This from an Obama supporter.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (T0NGe)

95 Brandon, the individual policy market sucks because their is no one buying it right now. Uncouple the government from the problem and let's see what happens.

They had a segment on the free markets that have sprung up inside North Korea, and the social changes its has wrought. Some cob should link to it.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (XN0LR)

96 "Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?"

Nope, but Obama is still your president.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:13 PM (Hz1zc)

97 89 As always, where are my batteries, bitch?

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You can get a federally subsidized battery, Oh Stompy One.

Bad news is that it's the powerplant to a Volt, so it only goes 40 miles before it needs gasoline and you can't leave it unattended.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:13 PM (e0xKF)

98 Religious liberty my ass.

When someone else limits what I can or cannot do, that is tyranny.
Individuals have religious liberty, not institutions or corporations or
businesses.


Incorrect. Absolutely incorrect. Corporations or businesses, which are outgrowths of my Right of Free Association, have the same rights, in general, as any individual. Indeed, by attempting to remove their rights, you are the one guilty of tyranny.

If you don't like the benefit package an employer offers, don't work there. It's that simple. They shouldn't have to provide you any benefits beyond your base pay at all (beyond marketplace reasons, that is).

In point of fact, this whole line of argument is ridiculous. Your employer cannot prevent you from getting birth control in any way. The most they can do is choose not to pay for it. You have every right to purchase your own birth control. You have every right to purchase your own personal insurance policy (which, yes, the insurance companies should have the right to deny. The world is messy) which could cover birth control if your employer's group plan does not.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 01:13 PM (8y9MW)

99 At that point, some government bureaucrat can decide that you need euthanasia in the hospital and not even bother to tell you. Look up the "Liverpool pathway" from the UK.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:07 PM (e0xKF)


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I think Dear Leader's minions have even more of an evil purpose for something like this.

It's to get rid of the older people who can tell the younger generations about what freedom was like in the old days. Remove the old Constitutional patriots. Why do you think that a law prof. would feel comfortable about his views on getting rid of the Constitution.

The liquidation machine is slowly but surely being turned on.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (wogps)

100 Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:13 PM (Hz1zc)

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (KDq5l)

101 She's not a comedian. She's a Cabaret "outragean".

She doesn't have a funny bone in her body.

Posted by: Too early to go off on a tangent? at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (KXm42)

102 OT:
Hollywood says "Do as I say...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (wbmaj)

103 the difference in close up between a male and female breast.

Same is true of ass.

And I'm not even taking into account the lady boys.
Posted by: Mike Hunt


You have to care that there's a difference.

Posted by: York Hawk at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (FcR7P)

104 Yes, and Jordan tightens his tie. The foreskin was slipping up.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (OlN4e)

105 I'm not kidding about the batteries thing, by the way.

Jumper cables.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:14 PM (GFM2b)

106 I don't understand why straight men would want to engage in that. Or why women would for that matter. Touching the derriere, totally acceptable, entering the derriere, completely unacceptable.
Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:11 PM (lhBr9)

it's at times like this and only at times like this, that I am happy I am a Dentist and not a Proctologist!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:15 PM (79ueO)

107 from Instapundit:
Remember, Obama’s first offer was for a $1.6 trillion tax hike and an infinite debt limit hike. Boehner countered with $800 billion. The final deal was for only $600 billion.
How is that not a “win” for Republicans?

Go read it-

Posted by: DAve at January 02, 2013 01:15 PM (XDC0v)

108 alex, more tea.

and i liked your gentle rant.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:15 PM (nqBYe)

109 101 She's not a comedian. She's a Cabaret "outragean".

She doesn't have a funny bone in her body.

---

She used to have one. Ricky Hollywood was a living joke who used to bone her.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 01:16 PM (e0xKF)

110 it's at times like this and only at times like this, that I am happy I am a Dentist and not a Proctologist!

When is it ok to go ass-to-mouth?

Posted by: EC at January 02, 2013 01:16 PM (GQ8sn)

111 Birth control is not healthcare. It is something that is used because we, as a culture, have decided that pregnancy is an illness and children are a burden. It is one of the most obvious indicators of the Culture of Death.




Now "progressives" have decided that we all must contribute to the Culture of Death. Not with those "nasty" guns and such, but by choking off procreation and declaring life to be evil at conception. A culture which does not protect its children deserves to die.




Posted by: tcn at January 02, 2013 01:16 PM (ZOUmX)

112 110 it's at times like this and only at times like this, that I am happy I am a Dentist and not a Proctologist!

When is it ok to go ass-to-mouth?

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You NEVER go ass-to-mouth!

Posted by: Dante Hicks at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (e0xKF)

113 Remember, Obama’s first offer was for a $1.6 trillion tax hike and an infinite debt limit hike. Boehner countered with $800 billion. The final deal was for only $600 billion.
How is that not a “win” for Republicans?

Go read it-
Posted by: DAve at January 02, 2013 01:15 PM (XDC0v)

A) obama and the dems are idiots

HOWEVER

B) It'e only the start for obama and the dems tax grab

C) where is the meat! I mean the spending cuts? I mean other than in Defense

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (79ueO)

114 If you don't like the benefit package an employer offers, don't work there. It's that simple. They shouldn't have to provide you any benefits beyond your base pay at all (beyond marketplace reasons, that is).

And the worse part is I know you're familiar with the fact that benefits beyond salary are a result of a market response to FDR playing with the salary marketplace......

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (4F5x1)

115 I'm gonna claim victim status in that I have read trannies can get free change me operations while i still have to live with my unimpressive breasts i was born with.
Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 12:59 PM (nqBYe)It's all about posture ette,not size.Haven't forgotten and you and jewells45's CD requests. Will be back later today about all that.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (1Y+hH)

116 This is the other anal sex thread, DAve. Try to keep up.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (jPVBi)

117 A million times funnier than Kathy G? Zero times a million is still zero.....

Posted by: OCD Con at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (RVFz3)

118 it's at times like this and only at times like this, that I am happy I am a Dentist and not a Proctologist!

Um, we've put 'em there too. Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (GFM2b)

119
You'll all be happy to note the Bush tax rates were not extended for millionaires, except Hollywood millionaires. They still get special tax breaks...

Posted by: Entropy at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (TULs6)

120 67 Behold the power of my fully operational fur hatch. Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (Lxw+T) ---------I bet theres a heat ventilation shaft that goes straight to the core. Just like shooting wamprats back on Tattooine.
Posted by: Luke Skywalker at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (nELVU)
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Luke, at that speed will you be able to pull out of her in time?

Posted by: Biggs? at January 02, 2013 01:17 PM (SO2Q8)

121 It didn't take us long to class up the thread if we're discussing ATM's here.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (lhBr9)

122 88 Hey punkin do you really think the "left" are the
only ones making laws which chip away at our civil liberties and
constitutional rights?



Or you could be drunk.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM

OK sweetums, tell us which one of your cherished freedoms are being taken away by those evil reich-wingers.

Oh, and "freedom" isn't "I get my shit free"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (wwsoB)

http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2011/12/barack_obama_finishes_what_geo.html

In eroding civil liberties, Barack Obama finishes what George Bush began: James Gill

http://www.civilfreedoms.org/?p=7260

2001-2011: A decade of civil liberties’ erosion in America

http://www.thenation.com/article/163057/our-vanished-civil-liberties

Our Vanished Civil Liberties

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/02/obama-civil-liberties-history


Who is the worst civil liberties president in US history?

Where do the abuses of the last decade from Bush and Obama rank when compared to prior assaults in the name of war?

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (G6kli)

123 I don't want my employer telling me what medical services I can or
cannot have based on his, and not my own, religious convictions.


You know this "argument" is bullshit, right?

No one at Hobby Lobby is preventing employees (or their wives, or daughters) from taking abortifacients.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (ZKzrr)

124 And the worse part is I know you're familiar with the fact that benefits
beyond salary are a result of a market response to FDR playing with the
salary marketplace......


I'm fairly convinced it would have happened eventually anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (8y9MW)

125 Instapundit: "The Democrats have made the Bush tax rates permanent for 98 percent of the public, which Republicans couldn’t even do when they controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency.”
Yeah, but there’s this rule: Anything less than a 100% victory for the GOP is instead a major victory for the Dems, according to all Democrats and most Republicans.

Posted by: DAve at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (XDC0v)

126 Dave, because we don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. Giving a drunk more vodka isn't a win, except for the drunk.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:19 PM (XN0LR)

127 :::I'm not kidding about the batteries thing, by the way. My demand that I be granted a subsidy for batteries and/or supplemental support to pay my power bill makes just as much as sense as a demand that I pay for someone else's prescription for the pill.::;

Because if the government gives you batteries, then you can rest assured that they will be weak, low-voltage batteries designed by the lowest bidder that will allow your favorite toys to do nothing more than gently annoy your vagina for a few minutes until they are too weak to spin the beads.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 01:19 PM (4uh3z)

128 Cogentmain blog post, especially by Internet standards.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at January 02, 2013 01:20 PM (pmsMR)

129 so to some any lifestyle choice should be supported /insured by their employer?
from drug addiction, alcoholism , gambling , or shop till you drop? as all those things are now said to have a medical issue.

just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:20 PM (nqBYe)

130 By the time the SCOTUS is done with Domino's, John Roberts will require every pizza to be served with free packets of ribbed and lubed johnnies and a shaker of RU-486. For purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at January 02, 2013 01:20 PM (Lxw+T)

131 89 As always, where are my batteries, bitch? ---
1. Get the free phone
2. set it on vibrate
3. WINNING

Posted by: 47% at January 02, 2013 01:20 PM (SO2Q8)

132 126 Dave, because we don't have a revenue problem. We have a spending problem. Giving a drunk more vodka isn't a win, except for the drunk.

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Did somebody say vodka?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (e0xKF)

133 Hey punkin do you really think the "left" are the only ones making laws which chip away at our civil liberties and constitutional rights? Or you could be drunk.
Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (G6kli)


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First off, you may call whomever you wish in your dysfunctional family "punkin". I prefer you call me "sir", fuckwad.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (wogps)

134 Giving a drunk more vodka isn't a win, except for the drunk.
Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:19 PM (XN0LR)

And the Vodka manufacturer and the liquor store owner and the State since they Tax it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (79ueO)

135 Because if the government gives you batteries, then you can rest assured
that they will be weak, low-voltage batteries designed by the lowest
bidder that will allow your favorite toys to do nothing more than gently
annoy your vagina for a few minutes until they are too weak to spin the
beads.


Either that, or explode or catch fire instead.

Posted by: EC at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (GQ8sn)

136 94 A lot of fucking weasels hide behind the cloak of religion and

collect big bucks from the poor deluded dupes of their congregations.

This from an Obama supporter.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:12 PM (T0NGe)

Wrong punkin I vote the way Carlin did.

I suppose if Paul had run third party I would have dusted off the voter registration and tossed my support his way.

Other than that I see no difference between a shit sandwich and a shit panini.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (G6kli)

137 "OK sweetums, tell us which one of your cherished freedoms are being taken away by those evil reich-wingers."

See: Mitt Romney, Massachusetts, assault weapons ban.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (Hz1zc)

138 Because if the government gives you batteries, then you can rest assured that they will be weak, low-voltage batteries designed by the lowest bidder that will allow your favorite toys to do nothing more than gently annoy your vagina for a few minutes until they are too weak to spin the beads.

Beads? You got BEADS?? Why didn't Georgetown U give me this??

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:22 PM (Lxw+T)

139 What's funny about the "eroding civil liberties" crowd is (a) they never actually get to specifics, it's always generalities (b) Obama does far worse.

The "eroding civil liberties" crowd can't make an argument simply because they are projecting. THEY are the ones who would take away civil liberties in a heartbeat if they got the chance.

They do and they are. Witness the true topic of this thread.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:22 PM (T0NGe)

140 133 Hey punkin do you really think the "left" are the only ones making laws which chip away at our civil liberties and constitutional rights? Or you could be drunk.
Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (G6kli)


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First off, you may call whomever you wish in your dysfunctional family "punkin". I prefer you call me "sir", fuckwad.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (wogps)

So you want the hookers to sing "To Sir with love"?

Posted by: Mike Hunt at January 02, 2013 01:22 PM (G6kli)

141 Because if the government gives you batteries, then you can rest assured
that they will be weak, low-voltage batteries designed by the lowest
bidder...


And the government will still end up paying $20 a piece for them, with the contract going to an Obama campaign bundler.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 01:22 PM (SY2Kh)

142 Wrong punkin I vote the way Carlin did.

No. You are an Obama supporter. If you're not part of the solution, you are the precipitate.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:23 PM (T0NGe)

143 and the batteries will last many minutes/hours shorter than needed.
rechargeable! just depend on them when you really need em.

Posted by: ette at January 02, 2013 01:23 PM (nqBYe)

144 If you don't like the benefit package an employer offers, don't work there. It's that simple.

That's the part that slays me. Hobby Lobby pays clerks ~30% more than its competitors...but the fymynyst scrunts like the Wise Latina think they would be better off having a pill that a woman really shouldn't need more than once or twice in her life (seriously? If you need "emergency contraception" on a monthly basis you need to take a good long look at your life) for free than an extra $150/wk.

WTF. You can buy way more Plan B than you need for $600/mo.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:23 PM (ZKzrr)

145 With my luck I'll get a fucking Solyndra vibrator.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:23 PM (Lxw+T)

146 What's Obama going to do once Laffer works has magic and the revenue from the tax hikes on the top two percent goes down? As is drops, not Kathy Griffen style.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:24 PM (v6YdM)

147 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:18 PM (ZKzrr)

And the argument that by not paying for they prevent it is bunk too (yeah I've seen that.)
My wife's insurance went up...magically..by roughly the average monthly cost of birth control! Magic how that economics works.
So yeah...all that this bill does is force you to pay for it (even if you don't use it!)
Next up, mandatory car insurance (for non-drivers)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:24 PM (4F5x1)

148
<i>"How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month for birth control"</i>
Beacuse the whole point <b>is</b> to violate religious liberty.

Posted by: Beef at January 02, 2013 01:24 PM (mb1uj)

149 Because if the government gives you batteries, then you can rest assured
that they will be weak, low-voltage batteries designed by the lowest
bidder that will allow your favorite toys to do nothing more than gently
annoy your vagina for a few minutes until they are too weak to spin the
beads.

Either that, or explode or catch fire instead.


So much for waterproof.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:24 PM (GFM2b)

150 Oh, and on that "if you don't like the benefits, don't work there" don't come crying to me about jobs being hard to find. Just because your other choice (unemployment) sucks doesn't mean you don't have another choice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 01:25 PM (8y9MW)

151 By the By, is Domino's any better pizza that Papa John's which is vile?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:25 PM (79ueO)

152 Read the title. Roberts will save us!

Posted by: nip at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (11Tdq)

153 What's Obama going to do once Laffer works has magic and the revenue from the tax hikes on the top two percent goes down?

Print the money. Like every government does eventually. Already the Fed is the largest buyer of Treasury notes.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means having the latest lithium-ion powered purple dildo as at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (Lxw+T)

154 See: Mitt Romney, Massachusetts, assault weapons ban.
Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:21 PM (Hz1zc)

See: Jordan, uninformed, yet again

http://tinyurl.com/bws7kr6

"So Romney has never signed a gun ban, and anyone who suggests he has is missing the facts. He did other things, such as raising fees to try to balance Massachusetts’s budget, rather than raising taxes. Massachusetts has long required people to obtain licenses to possess firearms. Among those fees he raised were gun licenses, and the price hike was not trivial. The price was quadrupled without concern to what effect this would have on the exercise of people’s rights. The burden is not minor for someone who doesn’t have much money. That’s enough reason to distrust Romney on the issue as much as a gun ban is. I don’t blame gun owners who are wary of Mitt. But I’d like to see that wariness based on facts, and not bullshit peddled by the media."

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (fWAjv)

155 151 - I have it on good authority that Papa John's is supposed to be much better than Dominos. I've never tried it.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (lhBr9)

156 151 By the By, is Domino's any better pizza that Papa John's which is vile?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:25 PM (79ueO)

Their new recipe is pretty good.

(But I like Papa John's so YMMV)

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (fWAjv)

157 " By the By, is Domino's any better pizza that Papa John's which is vile?"

No. It's awful. Worse, IMO.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:26 PM (Hz1zc)

158 By the By, is Domino's any better pizza that Papa John's which is vile?

If you're one of the weirdos who thinks Papa John's is vile, then you'd probably like the drek that is Domino's.

Of course, I tend to buy Little Caesar's as an excuse also to buy their Crazy Bread.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 01:27 PM (8y9MW)

159
OK sweetums, tell us which one of your cherished freedoms are being taken away by those evil reich-wingers.

Federal agencies created by Republicans (that I came up with 30 seconds):

OSHA, EPA,Consumer Product Safety Commission, DHS, TSA.

Posted by: Entropy at January 02, 2013 01:27 PM (TULs6)

160 betcha didn't know i call my cooter my 'Hobby Lobby'

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:27 PM (SO2Q8)

161 And the argument that by not paying for they prevent it is bunk too (yeah I've seen that.)

People are really, really stupid.

My employer did not provide me with a free breakfast this morning, ergo they denied me access to breakfast, which is necessary for my health and well-being.

The money they pay me for working, how does anyone expect me to use that to purchase my own breakfast?!

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:28 PM (ZKzrr)

162
GOP's stauch anti-tax record:

From 1865 to 1929, it was the party of high tariffs. Mission: Build the nation and protect U.S. industry and the wages of American workers.
And if the Deity commanded the GOP to cut taxes, the party has had an uneven record. Warren Harding and Coolidge cut Woodrow Wilson's wartime tax rates by two-thirds, but Herbert Hoover nearly tripled the top rate.
Under Dwight Eisenhower, when the top tax rate was 91 percent, the GOP ratified the New Deal and provided the tax revenue to balance the budget at the elevated levels of spending 20 years of Democratic rule had established.
Richard Nixon followed suit. Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, aid to education, the Peace Corps, the arts and humanities endowments, all of the Great Society programs grew -- with Nixon adding OSHA, EPA, the Consumer Product Safety Commission and Cancer Institute.
Reagan cut tax rates to 50-year lows, but also accepted new gasoline and payroll taxes. George H.W. Bush then raised the top rate back to 35 percent.
George W. cut tax rates, but put two wars, prescription drug benefits for seniors and No Child Left Behind on the Visa card.

Posted by: Entropy at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (TULs6)

163 What's Obama going to do once Laffer works has magic and the revenue from the tax hikes on the top two percent goes down? As is drops, not Kathy Griffen style.
Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:24 PM (v6YdM)


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Well, he did say he wanted more taxes. He's flexible that way.

I hope everyone is aware that this POS in the WH doesn't care about the economy. He wants to destroy it......completely.

And you can transpose that over to the leftists in congress. They have no intention of having any kind of a free-market recovery.

Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (wogps)

164 Franchise Pizza is sort of like getting a hand job from a hideous broad soon after last call and then finding our the next day it's a trannie!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (79ueO)

165 It's interesting that Secretary Syphilis and President Obama have this provision that is clearly a religious compulsion for Catholics, when Muslims and Amish are explicitly given a waiver by the law.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (e8kgV)

166 Thank you, ette.

that will allow your favorite toys to do nothing more than gently annoy your vagina for a few minutes until they are too weak to spin the beads.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 01:19 PM (4uh3z)



Of all the types of taunting you do not want to do to Happy Fun Alex, that may be the worst kind.


I will give the Horde a moment to ponder my gentle and loving response to such taunting. And to stop pondering the other stuff the Horde is pondering. Perverts.


Honestly, what the hell are "women" (I use the scare quotes for a reason) being taught these days? I know I've mentioned this before, but nearly every women's magazine and, hell, magazine for teens used to have a how to have the talk with him about splitting the costs of birth control article on pretty much a monthly basis. Apparently that article is now about how to fill out Form 2383-V to get your free birth control.

If you need "emergency contraception" on a monthly basis you need to take a good long look at your life) for free than an extra $150/wk.


*eyetwitch* Gah. *eyetwitch* Gah. Must. Not. Rant. About. Plan. B. Not. Being. Chicklet. *eyetwitch*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 01:30 PM (VtjlW)

167 Marx is a jealous and petty godling. All other sources of power and morals must be crushed. By any means necessary.

Right now its Judaism and Christianity that are the target. Once they are neutered, then the Marxists will amend the Affordable Healthcare Act so Islam is no longer exempt because of IRS rules.

Its all about the power to the disciples of Marx.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (TCGmg)

168 "The feminists have an odd theory that religious strictures about sex and birth control are specifically about controlling women's reproduction, taking decisions from women and giving them to 'the patriarchy.'"

********************

The funniest part about all the feminist bullshit is that most of what they push for is great for men, not so great for women. I mean, really all this loosey goosey sex culture is fantastic for men because (a) the culture puts serious pressure on women to put out of they're considered freaks, (b) it's not also putting tons of pressure on women to be the sole person responsible for reproduction and/or prevention thereof. Remove all barriers to easy sex coupled with all responsibility dumped on the women= good times for guys. Not so good times for women who might not like the idea of our choices being (a) become a slut, or (b) die alone. I think most of us ladies would like something sensible in between those two options, as (b) isn't very desirable and most of the folks I know who chose (a) are miserable cretins.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (qFpRI)

169 >>How did we come to the point that religious liberty was worth violating in order to satisfy some people's demand to be subsidized $3-6 per month for birth control?



Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of theSOOC at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (aOVhq)

170 Posted by: Soona at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (wogps)

Don't forget the interview (ABC maybe?) where he said he wanted higher rates even if it meant less revenue for "fairness."
He'll fall back on that.
Yes, most LIV's forgot that quote, it was overshadowed by his current "more revenue" rhetoric. But he'll say "I said that's what I wanted!"
And people will believe him.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (4F5x1)

171 153, eventually? Aren't they already doing that? What's the carrying capacity of the Fed? What happens when thy say enough? Or,more accurately, what happens when they cough discretely, raise an eyebrow, and threaten to think about not buying more.

If I were a Pub committee chair, I would be calling weekly hearings with them sitting at the table.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (DRG6e)

172 It's interesting that Secretary Syphilis and President Obama have this provision that is clearly a religious compulsion for Catholics, when Muslims and Amish are explicitly given a waiver by the law. Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 02, 2013 01:29 PM (e8kgV)

That's because Catholics actually provide a public good, they operate hospitals.

Muslims focus on filling the hospitals.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 02, 2013 01:32 PM (sbV1u)

173 Muslims focus on filling the hospitals.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 02, 2013 01:32 PM (sbV1u)

And Cemetaries

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2013 01:32 PM (79ueO)

174 betcha didn't know i call my cooter my 'Hobby Lobby'

It's so roomy there are sofas in there.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means you don't pay for yourself at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (Lxw+T)

175 I don't personally know but supposedly vasetomy is covered, and so is the female equivalent (tubal litigation).

Posted by: Whatev at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (lreFA)

176 Once they are neutered, then the Marxists will amend the Affordable Healthcare Act so Islam is no longer exempt because of IRS rules.

Then shit will start blowing up.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (DRG6e)

177 Oh hey, that reminds me, we really need to start working on setting up that Moron Amish Community.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (VtjlW)

178 Yeah franchise pizza is suxxor.

Tried PJ's a hundred years ago and spit it out. Dominos's is better but I won't eat that shit anymore either. But they're about the best you can do whem it comes to franchise dreck.

Posted by: eleven at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (KXm42)

179 Don't you all know the best pizza is Chicago style deep dish or stuffed? If you haven't tried it, you're missing out.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:34 PM (lhBr9)

180 Posted by: Whatev at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (lreFA)

Tubals are, but I believe it actually excluded vasectomy due to some way it defined "birth control."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:34 PM (4F5x1)

181 Most people are funnier than Kathy Griffin.

Hell, I'm funnier than Kathy Griffin.

Posted by: Cancer at January 02, 2013 01:34 PM (5iuEW)

182 Tried PJ's a hundred years ago and spit it out. Dominos's is better but I won't eat that shit anymore either.

1 ) Heretic.

2 ) But otherwise true. All good pizza is local.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Lord Commander of the Ampersand Army at January 02, 2013 01:35 PM (GBXon)

183 I will nom the daylights out of a thin crust Dominos pizza.

The Papa John pizza sauce tastes wrong to me, too sweet, so I never go there.

Little Ceasers makes a decent cheap pizza that is not out of the Wal-Mart freezer so I will eat it.

But my food of choice when going out is sushi. So there. Nyah!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2013 01:35 PM (TCGmg)

184 Once they are neutered, then the Marxists will amend the Affordable Healthcare Act so Islam is no longer exempt because of IRS rules.

Then shit will start blowing up.

Amen. It'll never happen. Teh Marxists will be too afraid they'll wake up with their throats cut.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (GFM2b)

185 Oh hey, that reminds me, we really need to start working on setting up that Moron Amish Community.

Finally. I am king.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (T0NGe)

186 Dominos's is better but I won't eat that shit anymore either. But they're about the best you can do whem it comes to franchise dreck. Posted by: eleven at January 02, 2013 01:33 PM (KXm42)

Domino's did get better after they had their "We suck" moment a year or so ago. It still isn't great pizza, but it's OK.

But....pizza is like sex. Even when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (sbV1u)

187 Oh hey, that reminds me, we really need to start working on setting up that Moron Amish Community.


Where the Val-U-Rite flows, but our woodworking is mediocre.

Posted by: EC at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (GQ8sn)

188 My employer did not provide me with a free breakfast
this morning, ergo they denied me access to breakfast, which is
necessary for my health and well-being.

The money they pay me for working, how does anyone expect me to use that to purchase my own breakfast?!


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:28 PM

That's the whole justification the left uses for providing free school breakfasts. You know, because the poor children aren't being coming to class with a full tummy of "healthy" breakfasts and ready to "learn".

They're somehow starving and too fat at the same time. Lefty elitist logic eludes me.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (wwsoB)

189 So they've ginned up $3-6 per month as a serious civil rights issue. If men needed birth control, it would already be paid for, they insist, overlooking the fact that men do need (or, at least, often want) birth control, and men's birth control expenses are also not covered.

As is true with so much of our politics -- and I think this is detestable -- the bottom-line consequences of what they seek are minor in the extreme. What is really sought is an encoded-into-law declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another, to the extent that the culture which has lost this political debate is actually now illegal and cannot exist as it previously had.

While such matters were previously left to each individual conscience -- each person herself or himself decided whether to use birth control, and paid using his own private money -- a law is now on the books stating that everyone must pay for birth control, no matter what one's religious beliefs may say about it.



Aye, Ace.

This drives deep into the over population of the earth that all liberals believe to their core. Over population taking away resources from others. Over population destroying the environment, and so on.

Many in TFG's cabinet/czars wear this ideology like a badge of honor.

Including legitimizing and legalizing euthanasia of the elderly, as they are no use to society anymore (geriatric genocide), or those in a vegetative or comatose state, etc.

It's a throw away society, Ace. Including children, the poor, elderly, and you can even include unwanted races -- as that is what the original Roe v Wade was founded on (see Ginsberg quote).

Posted by: beach, after holiday doldrums at January 02, 2013 01:36 PM (LpQbZ)

190 Either that, or explode or catch fire instead.

Ooo, KINKY!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:37 PM (5iuEW)

191 War On Drugs, McCain-Feingold. 2 more.

Posted by: Entropy at January 02, 2013 01:37 PM (TULs6)

192 And the argument that it saves them money by buying the pill even though they are eliminating a (new baby) prospective customer on the policy makes about as much sense as the car insurance offering bus fare instead of having you get an additional car.

Posted by: Whatev at January 02, 2013 01:37 PM (lreFA)

193 Hey, even I'm funnier than Kathy Griffin!

Posted by: Fart in a Spacesuit at January 02, 2013 01:38 PM (wwsoB)

194 >>The Papa John pizza sauce tastes wrong to me, too sweet, so I never go there

Seconded!

It *is* too sweet!

Makes the whole pie taste weird.

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of theSOOC at January 02, 2013 01:38 PM (aOVhq)

195 179Don't you all know the best pizza is Chicago style deep dish or stuffed? If you haven't tried it, you're missing out.Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:34 PM (lhBr9) I can understand if a woman doesn't care for anal sex, but there is no excuse for liking Chicago style deep dish pizza.

Posted by: jwest at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (ZDsRL)

196 The Amish and Muzzies are given an Obamacare exemption, but only if they have an equivalent program that provides for their people.


So calling yourself Amish will do no good.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (53z96)

197 Dominos pizza is decent if you get the white sauce. The tomato sauces at dominos and papa johns are both way way too sweet, more like ketchup than pizza sauce.

Posted by: Jenny tries too hard at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (b+8h9)

198

My employer did not provide me with a free breakfast this morning, ergo they denied me access to breakfast, which is necessary for my health and well-being.

The money they pay me for working, how does anyone expect me to use that to purchase my own breakfast?!
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:28 PM (ZKzrr)


You're in the wrong biz...

Posted by: hollywood buffet free for all at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (LpQbZ)

199 Posted by: Whatev at January 02, 2013 01:37 PM (lreFA)

Well accept that part about how we've mandated insurance cover so much it's hard to be profitable now. So new customers might not be a good thing.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (4F5x1)

200 195 - then you haven't had good Chicago style pizza. It's that simple. Try Chicago style and you'll never go back.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 01:40 PM (lhBr9)

201 Not so good times for women who might not like the idea of our choices being (a) become a slut, or (b) die alone.

There's always option (c): Become a slut AND die alone.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:40 PM (ZKzrr)

202
195 - then you haven't had good Chicago style pizza. It's that simple. Try Chicago style and you'll never go back.

I live in Chicago, I was born in Chicago, deep dish pizza sucks.

Posted by: Entropy at January 02, 2013 01:41 PM (TULs6)

203 As has already been stated, Tom Monaghan no longer owns Dominos. He sold it in the late-90s, I believe, to the evil Bain Capital.

Also, the birth control pills as a "women's healthcare issue' could be addressed in reverse. Late in 2011, the FDA approved Cialis (Tadalafil) as a viable treatment for men diagnosed with BPH.

I have been diagnosed with BPH. Where's my free boner pills, Liberals?

Posted by: fly at January 02, 2013 01:42 PM (/d4MH)

204 Well Option (c) is
(c)1. Become slut
(c)2. Catch horrible deadly disease
(c)3. Die alone either in the charity ward or in a filthy hovel alone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2013 01:42 PM (TCGmg)

205 "The Amish and Muzzies are given an Obamacare exemption, but only if they have an equivalent program that provides for their people."

Obamacare grants no specific religious exemption to any group. It remains to be seen which sects' members may or may not apply for an exemption from the individual mandate. However, as I understand it, the religious exemption applies only to individuals and the individual mandate, not to employers and insurers.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:45 PM (Hz1zc)

206
Don't forget the interview (ABC maybe?) where he said he wanted higher rates even if it meant less revenue for "fairness."
He'll fall back on that.
Yes, most LIV's forgot that quote, it was overshadowed by his current "more revenue" rhetoric. But he'll say "I said that's what I wanted!"
And people will believe him.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 01:31 PM (4F5x1)

It was during the Democrat Primary debate as well.

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 01:46 PM (fWAjv)

207
I've always wondered why the people who bought Dominos from Tom Monaghan kept the butt ugly metal sculpture in front of Domino Farms.

Posted by: jwest at January 02, 2013 01:47 PM (ZDsRL)

208 Well Option (c) is

More like:
1) Date a bunch of different guys uninterested in marriage while you're in college/working/pursuing assorted interests
2) Get old pursuing those interests, assuming someone will eventually realize they can't live without you because you're bright and can cook and have big boobs
3) Realize all the guys you used to date are suddenly interested in marriage....to women 5-15 years younger than you, because they want to have families.


Oops.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:48 PM (ZKzrr)

209 >>>I suppose if Paul had run third party I would have dusted off the voter registration and tossed my support his way.

You've invited a calamity. And I'm sure you feel comfortable with that. Your staunch arrogance of being too good for politics has doomed any reasonable chance that this nation will again see freedom while any of us here draw breath.

I sincerely hope that when the deluge comes, that it arrives with full force upon your doorstep, for you have sown the whirlwind and deserve in kind to reap it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 01:50 PM (0q2P7)

210 Okay.

That NY state rep is absurdly handsome.

And he is making some good points, talking to Megan McKelly who is ridiculously beautiful.

I cannot WATCH TV anymore!

Fucking distracting.

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of theSOOC at January 02, 2013 01:51 PM (aOVhq)

211 Regarding pizza, I think the regular and the Chicago deep dish are two entirely different animals.

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 01:51 PM (fWAjv)

212 This news is enough to make a libtards head explode. No offense PIAPS

Posted by: Whatev at January 02, 2013 01:51 PM (lreFA)

213 Okay, I was wrong.

Absurdly handsome dude is a NY State Senator.

My bad.

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of theSOOC at January 02, 2013 01:53 PM (aOVhq)

214 @jwest: Tom Monaghan owns Domino Farms Corp., which I think is a property management firm HQ'd there.

Posted by: fly at January 02, 2013 01:53 PM (/d4MH)

215 Test

Posted by: Deety Chairwoman of the SOOC at January 02, 2013 01:54 PM (aOVhq)

216 67
Behold the power of my fully operational fur hatch.



Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 01:06 PM (Lxw+T)

---------
I bet theres a heat ventilation shaft that goes straight to the core. Just like shooting wamprats back on Tattooine.


Posted by: Luke Skywalker at January 02, 2013 01:09 PM (nELVU)

Master Skywalker, that fur hatch, wamprat and ventilation shaft is more like the Exogorth in that asteroid we landed on with Master Solo.

Posted by: C3PO at January 02, 2013 01:55 PM (Zd/NW)

217 Obamacare grants no specific religious exemption to any group. Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 01:45 PM (Hz1zc)

Section 1501 of the PPACA:

SEC. 1501. REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN MINIMUM ESSENTIAL COVERAGE.

‘‘(2) RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS.—

‘‘(A) RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE EXEMPTION.—Such term shall not include any individual for any month if such individual has in effect an exemption under section 1311(d)(4)(H) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act which certifies that such individual is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof described in section 1402(g)(1) and an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division as described in such section.

Since Muslims are opposed to insurance on religious grounds....and Catholics, for example, are not, this is in practice a "pass" from PPACA for Muslims.

We'll see how it actually plays out.

Posted by: Drill Sergeant Malcolm T. McCluskey at January 02, 2013 01:55 PM (sbV1u)

218 The Amish and Muzzies are given an Obamacare
exemption, but only if they have an equivalent program that provides for
their people.


Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (53z96)
It's against Shria Law to buy insurance, when Allah is your ultimate insurance agent.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 02, 2013 01:55 PM (e8kgV)

219
Same thing is happening in CA, where wedding photographers and cake decorators are being threatened with criminal penalties if they don't do gay weddings.

Posted by: Huusker at January 02, 2013 01:56 PM (PaKLC)

220 I'm still trying to figure out how a corporation, an entity that isn't living and only exists on paper, can have "religious beliefs" which can be "subverted".

A corporation should pay it's employees, the actual people in the relationship, a fair wage. If the people decide that that wage includes birth control, then so be it.

Posted by: palooka at January 02, 2013 01:57 PM (zYhHa)

221 Obamacare grants no specific religious exemption to any group.


Yes it does, go read it. Section 1501

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 02:00 PM (53z96)

222 If the people decide that that wage includes birth control, then so be it. Posted by: palooka at January 02, 2013 01:57 PM (zYhHa)

You might want to just stop for a second and review how profoundly stupid that sentence is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 02, 2013 02:01 PM (sbV1u)

223 208 Well Option (c) is

More like:
1) Date a bunch of different guys uninterested in marriage while you're in college/working/pursuing assorted interests
2) Get old pursuing those interests, assuming someone will eventually realize they can't live without you because you're bright and can cook and have big boobs
3) Realize all the guys you used to date are suddenly interested in marriage....to women 5-15 years younger than you, because they want to have families.


Oops.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 01:48 PM (ZKzrr)

Yet more fantastic options from the feminists. Go to college and get established in your career (cause all that matters in life is your job, especially if you can edge out a man in a man-field). And then you may get around to marriage and family (that's where your number 3 comes into play).

Now look. Because we're all different, the career path is great for some women! But I resent the feminist push for that to be the only correct path for *all* women. High powered careers don't mesh well with family life. And that goes for men, too, BTW. It's not really shocking that those 90-hour high power jobs aren't conducive to maintaining relationships for either sex. And I wish the feminists would back off trying to shame anyone who didn't choose that path. It's not for everyone, and I would bet it's not really for most. A solid majority of people want to have a home and a family and convincing women we are worthless if we aren't the partner of a big muckety muck firm or company is bad news for a good portion of us.

But for the feminist bunch, it's really just all about out men-ing the men.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 02, 2013 02:03 PM (qFpRI)

224 egarding Kathy Griffin as I posted on the other thread:
Here is why she does it....would you guess she is worth between

$13,000,000 and $15,000,000? I would not. For a skank of her "beauty and

talent", any publicity feeds the bulldog.
http://networth.org/kathy-griffin-net-worth-933/
http://tinyurl.com/bhnvnsu

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 02, 2013 02:03 PM (kXoT0)

225 We aren't arguing this right. It isn't an attack on a particular religion. That loses because only those of that religion really care.

Make the winning argument. Progressivism IS a religion. And they are establishing it as the State Religion. Make the argument such that you can join every religion and philosophy that isn't one particular flavor of progressive new age secular humanism in a united front to uphold the clause in the 1st about Establishing a state church.

Posted by: John Morris at January 02, 2013 02:05 PM (sCRhB)

226 "What is really sought is an encoded-into-law declaration of the legal supremacy of one culture over another, to the extent that the culture which has lost this political debate is actually now illegal and cannot exist as it previously had."

I couldn't have said it better.

Posted by: Y. at January 02, 2013 02:07 PM (s9+la)

227 "Yes it does, go read it. Section 1501" Vic

No it doesn't. Read it yourself, comment #217.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 02:18 PM (Hz1zc)

228 Make the winning argument. Progressivism IS a
religion. Posted by: John Morris at January 02, 2013 02:05 PM (sCRhB)

Very good point, except it is the THE religion. All my Catholic co-workers, even my boss who tears up when he invokes Il Papi in a hushed and reverent voice, are FIRST Liberals. They all believe that abortion and that all contraceptive articles are to be paid for by anyone other than the woman who was having sex. They adore Obama and think he is brilliance personified--not a one of them respects any of their own priesthood as much as Obama, let alone more.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 02, 2013 02:19 PM (kXoT0)

229 "men's birth control is not covered" hhhmmmmmm.....

could this render the law unconstitutional under the equal protection clause????
just asking

Posted by: xtron at January 02, 2013 02:24 PM (ojkcj)

230 If I were the entities suing to NOT pay for abortions and contraceptives, I would say to them, "Would you force CAIR to pay for these items? Would you force a mosque to cover them under insurance offered to their employees? If your answer is no, that you would not force them to pay for these items, then you cannot force us to pay for them. Because if you exempt them, then you are giving them preferential treatment for their faith."

But no one will bring up islam in a court of law.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 02, 2013 02:25 PM (kXoT0)

231 If the people decide that that wage includes birth control AR-15s, then so be it.

You still for it, Jordan?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2013 02:26 PM (5iuEW)

232 Off slutty sock

Posted by: Armando at January 02, 2013 02:27 PM (5iuEW)

233 "You still for it, Jordan?"

You'll never hear me support restrictions on buying or owning guns. I'm so far right on that issue even I acknowledge I'm a bit nuts.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 02:29 PM (Hz1zc)

234 You'll never hear me support restrictions on buying or owning guns. I'm so far right on that issue even I acknowledge I'm a bit nuts.

Posted by: Jordan at January 02, 2013 02:29 PM (Hz1zc)


It wasn't a restriction. It was a compulsion "by the people" that employee compensation must include an AR-15, each and every paycheck.

Don't want that many AR-15s? Too bad, "the people" have spoken.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 02, 2013 02:44 PM (xGZ+b)

235 ConservativeMonster:

AR-15s should not be paid for with employer taxes.

The government should require citizens to obey the Militia Act of 1792, and purchase a single tax-free M-16 and keep it maintained.


If you cannot afford one, the government should provide one, and pay for it with steep fees on conscientious objectors by requiring them to have an expensive permit to not carry a firearm.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 02, 2013 02:55 PM (wYVte)

236 "You might want to just stop for a second and review how profoundly stupid that sentence is."


Workers are more and more demanding reasonable health care as part of their compensation package. In spite of Capitalists feelings on the proletariat, you actually DO need us.


>You'll never hear me support restrictions on buying or owning guns. I'm so far right on that issue even I acknowledge I'm a bit nuts.


Arm everyone, kill regulations, kill minimum wage, kill unemployment = Immediate 100% taxation on the Rich and a short cut to a Leninist Revolution

Vote GOP 2016

Posted by: palooka at January 02, 2013 05:57 PM (zYhHa)

237 Im sorry. Vote Tea Party 2016 since I imagine the GOP will float back to being a center right party after this butt whippin.

Posted by: palooka at January 02, 2013 05:57 PM (zYhHa)

238 "If it may please the court"

Regarding the HHS mandate and Hobby Lobby:

Peyote.

I thank the court.

Posted by: J. at January 02, 2013 08:11 PM (ymoYN)

239 "If it may further please the court"

On this, and on the Proposition 8 case before this court, I say that it is not the duty of religious adherents to justify the "rationality" of their beliefs.

It is, after all, a religion. It is not empirically provable by definition.

They must instead merely justify it is a religious belief, and not of a "boutique" vintage. I will note there are, according to Wikipedia, over a billion adherents of the Catholic church alone. If we are to use the "reasonable man" test, there are more believers than deniers, and thus perhaps the onus should be on those who think no rational base for action in the real world can be attributed to religious motivation, for more "reasonable men" will be believers of one sort of tne other than deniers. I note that I myself am neither believer nor denier.

Religion--and especially Christianity--is not "rational". Neither is it "irrational". It is what it is--transcendent spiritual. If by rational we mean empirical, or inherently obvious, it is not, and especially for Christianity, has no desire to be. "By faith alone..." being a precept. And the "faith" Christianity prizes is not empirically rational, though it is not irrational, either. It is what it is--transcendent spiritual, and the First Amendment protects the use of such thinking.

It should be clear that just as the ability of the government to tax is the ability to destroy, so would the ability of the government to say what is or is not rational, when referring to the transcendent spiritual. There is not a religion in the United States that has not been outlawed somewhere, at some time, and presumably for being "wrong"--i.e., "irrational". If the government and courts can now rule widely held and long accepted beliefs as possessing no rationality, and hence not to be protected, then it is hard to see how the Government
is allowing any practical exercise of religion, because the whole thing does not depend on *explicit* rationality to start with--though there is a logic there, which can be shown.

Instead, what the government should be limited to is those beliefs that are clearly excessively irrational, held by a few, where excessive harm would be done to society if left in play. For example, if I was to say Barack Obama was our Lord and Saviour, as was recently done, it would be irrational--but no excessive harm to society would be done. On the other hand, virgin sacrifice is probably outside the pale, being both excesdively irrational and harmful to society.

A billion people believe as the plaintiffs do. Is this Court ready to excommunicate them all? It has been said of ship captains at sea that no one but God Almighty himself is as powerful as they, but justices? Come now.

I thank the Court.

Posted by: J. at January 02, 2013 08:39 PM (ymoYN)

240 sock

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