Obama: I'm Not Even Going to Debate the Debt Ceiling

Autocratic for the people.

From @benk84's linkdump:

In his remarks Tuesday, Obama issued a stern forewarning on the upcoming debates, and reiterated that he will not negotiate with Republicans over the debt ceiling.

"As I've demonstrated throughout the past several weeks, I am very open to compromise," he said. "But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."

"While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up," Obama said. "We can not not pay bills that we have already incurred."

He's very open to compromise, but will not consider things he refuses to consider.

And:

Immediately following the remarks, Obama left the White House to return to Hawaii, where his family is still on vacation.

Well he's certainly earned it.

Posted by: Ace at 11:55 AM



Comments

1 Where's Godzilla when you need him?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 02, 2013 11:56 AM (lD8ju)

2 Happy New Year, Ace. Such as it is.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2013 11:56 AM (RD7QR)

3 To pay the bills THEY racked up?

I'm speechless. The only words that come to mind have four letters.

Posted by: red speck at January 02, 2013 11:56 AM (9/Ug/)

4
Obama issued a stern forewarning on the upcoming debates, and reiterated that he
will not negotiate with Republicans over the debt ceiling.


Maybe we can put things on lay-away.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 02, 2013 11:56 AM (4u2LN)

5 No compromise is possible with tyranny!

Posted by: mbruce at January 02, 2013 11:57 AM (Fr8N6)

6 +1 for the R.E.M. callback.

Posted by: Andy at January 02, 2013 11:57 AM (C/NnJ)

7 King Barry!

Posted by: Bosk at January 02, 2013 11:57 AM (n2K+4)

8 Pray for the sharks to infest the Pacific

Posted by: fromabroad at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (rnV3B)

9 Need a giant sea monster to crawl out of the ocean and level D.C.


It's the only way to be sure.


I nominate that thing from the Cloverfield flick.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (pcaFm)

10 It's the end of the world as we know it.

Posted by: angler at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (SwjAj)

11 Those trillion dollar platinum coins look more and more real every day.

Posted by: EC at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (GQ8sn)

12 Ace, Beck has stolen your TFG schtick. He's calling Barry "That Guy" from now on.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (UOM48)

13 Is anybody surprised by this?

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (J11mV)

14 Don't worry, with lapdogs like John "Weepy" Boehner and Mitch "No Chin" McConnell, he'll get whatever he wants. And we'll get it in the end.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 11:58 AM (wbmaj)

15 The US dollar will become a strange currency.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 11:59 AM (S/WR4)

16 Happy New Year, Ace. Wishing you and everyone else all happy and healthy for 2013. (well, maybe not wishing everyone that...)

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 11:59 AM (lhBr9)

17 "But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."

So we're going to deficit-spend our way into prosperity? Idiot.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (v+QvA)

18 we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity

But we can tax our way to prosperity?

It's not just an observation. It's a law of nature. It's Obama's Law -- Whatever Obama says, the exact opposite is true.

From this we can conclude: "We can simply cut our way to prosperity.

Posted by: Phinn at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (oFH2D)

19 What part of losing an election do you fellas not understand?

Happy new year, one and all!

Posted by: Olaf at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (t1NLo)

20 "Immediately following the remarks, Obama left the White House to return to Hawaii, where his family is still on vacation."

I still haven't forgotten about them complaining that Michelle doesn't get paid for all her "hard work" as first lady. . . nevermind that the American people are feeding, clothing and vacationing her at taxpayer expense. Over/under bets on how soon they get pay for the first lady legislation passed in his second term?

Posted by: LizLem at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (8wqqE)

21 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (8y9MW)

22 Oh, and happy happy new year you guys!

Posted by: LizLem at January 02, 2013 12:01 PM (8wqqE)

23 Happy New Year.

2013: The Boning

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:01 PM (UOM48)

24 But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity.

It's worked for other countries, fucknugget.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 12:01 PM (S/WR4)

25 We can't borrow or print our way to properity, SCOAMT!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 02, 2013 12:01 PM (BAS5M)

26 >>>I'm Not Even Going to Debate the Debt Ceiling

Why would he? It's not like the GOP has the stones to call his bluff so why negotiate? I mean seriously I can't blame him for being a dick at this point. We fold every time he goes all in. If we are NEVER going to call that bet then we are guaranteed to lose.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:01 PM (0q2P7)

27 That was an incredibly stupid statement to make. Debate with Boner means he wins. No debate = SID which is what I want.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (53z96)

28 We can't cut our way to prosperity? What bizarro horseshit.

Posted by: shillelagh at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (hRzu2)

29 Okay, from the previous thread which will now die an ignominious death since Ace has posted:

If TFG left without signing the bill (assuming he doesn't auto-pen it again), has he just pocket vetoed his own "grand bargain?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (8y9MW)

30 FY 2013:

* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000
Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (I2LwF)

31 As a member of an Elite fighting unit once responded "NUTS"

Posted by: Clemenza at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (Q8Pu5)

32 Shut
It
Down

Posted by: fluffy at January 02, 2013 12:03 PM (z9HTb)

33 Shorter TFG: "I won....again. Suck it."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:03 PM (UOM48)

34 If TFG left without signing the bill (assuming he doesn't auto-pen it again), has he just pocket vetoed his own "grand bargain?"


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:02 PM (8y9MW)

The Air Force will fly it to Hawaii for the SCOAMF to sign.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2013 12:03 PM (RD7QR)

35 But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity.

Explain Michigan and Wisconsin, you skidmark.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:03 PM (8y9MW)

36 Remember when Barry promised a "net spending cut" in 2008?

lulz

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 12:03 PM (S/WR4)

37 >>> "We can't cut our way to prosperity? What bizarro horseshit"

You have to remember who "we" is.

In Obama World, "we" is "people who are on the receiving end of taxpayer money."

So, yes, cutting = less money for "we."

Posted by: Phinn at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (oFH2D)

38 Remember when Barry called Bush's deficits unsustainable, irresponsible and unpatriotic?

lulz

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (S/WR4)

39 Throwing a big "^^^THIS." At 26.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (8VOgB)

40 "But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."

THIS pisses me off to no end.

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (fWAjv)

41 >>>If TFG left without signing the bill (assuming he doesn't auto-pen it again), has he just pocket vetoed his own "grand bargain?"

Yup. Congress will end session. In the absence of a signature within the veto period the bill dies.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (0q2P7)

42 Vote for "conservative " of the year:
A. John (Cokie) Roberts
B. Mitt (Hide-n-Seek) Romney
C. Paul (Gee, Wally) Ryan
D. Rick (Fashion Statement) Santorum
E. Write-in

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (wbmaj)

43 What part of losing an election do you fellas not understand?


Free Speech is for winners!


Check out #30, Olaf.

Posted by: fluffy at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (z9HTb)

44 This calls for an Alien quote, " I say we nuke it from orbit"

Posted by: Clemenza at January 02, 2013 12:05 PM (Q8Pu5)

45 I'm not gonna debate with you, Jerry! I'm not gonna debate! Three people in Brainerd were killed. We now want the entire 80,000!

Posted by: Carl Showalter at January 02, 2013 12:05 PM (e0xKF)

46 Yup. Congress will end session. In the absence of a signature within the veto period the bill dies.


Hehehehe.

Okay, that's just funny.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:05 PM (8y9MW)

47 Obama is getting tired of putting on the show of negotiating at this point. He's just phoning in the pre-determined results.

I'm getting tired of watching the show of negotiating, so that's fine with me.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 02, 2013 12:05 PM (I2LwF)

48 You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

Posted by: L. Skywalker at January 02, 2013 12:05 PM (0JB89)

49 What part of losing an election do you fellas not understand? Happy new year, one and all!
Posted by: Olaf at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (t1NLo)

Are you saying Obama can claim a nearly dictatorial mandate because of his landslide victory over Mitt Romney? As it happens, Obama didn't enjoy a landslide victory over Romney. So no, sorry. Reagan could claim a mandate. Not your guy.

Posted by: troyriser at January 02, 2013 12:06 PM (vtiE6)

50 Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 12:04 PM (wbmaj)

E:SMOD.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 02, 2013 12:06 PM (8y9MW)

51 Ace, check you email. M80 says she hasn't heard from you.


No one puts Miss80sBaby in a corner.

Posted by: fluffy at January 02, 2013 12:06 PM (z9HTb)

52 Why is he back in Hawaii anyway? Don't his children need to be back at school today? Or they don't start until Monday? Seems like they've been there for a long time.

Posted by: Sassy at January 02, 2013 12:06 PM (lhBr9)

53 Eliminate the debt ceiling. It only slows things down, like when you're trying to start a fire and keep it going.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:06 PM (zpqa2)

54 "But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."
---
The 'we' is of course the government, not the citizens of the nation.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (SO2Q8)

55 "Autocratic For The People."

Clever.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (4uh3z)

56
Now comes my nomination for gayest shit of the century to date:
http://tinyurl.com/b3hqusg

*barf*

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (OlN4e)

57
The Air Force will fly it to Hawaii for the SCOAMF to sign.

I'll take "What is Email" for $1,000, Alex.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (O7Q1u)

58 Hawaii? Charlie don't surf.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (wbmaj)

59 "3
To pay the bills THEY racked up?



I'm speechless. The only words that come to mind have four letters.

Posted by: red speck at January 02, 2013 11:56 AM (9/Ug/)"

True enough, but I don't think any of Obama's "budgets" have garnered a single vote, so technically it has been Congress' fault.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 12:07 PM (eP0u9)

60 we officially live in a banana republic.

I denounce myself in advance

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 12:08 PM (RrD4h)

61 The American Electorate are Stuttering Clusterfucks of miserable Shitfail.

And he knows it and he's laughing his ass off.



Posted by: eleven at January 02, 2013 12:08 PM (KXm42)

62 I want to tickle The One's sack!

Posted by: Kathy Griffin at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (UOM48)

63 Apparently we can't cut our way to solvency either.

Posted by: kpayne at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (CR7hx)

64 You know, it's nice to have Obama telling us what to do and think. I'm glad he's going to be President for Life.

Posted by: Woody Allen at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (z63Tr)

65 In the absence of a signature within the veto period the bill dies.

But SCOAMF doesn't need to come off vacation to sign. Remember me?

Posted by: AutoPen at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (ZKzrr)

66 A pox on all who would bargain with Ebola and his minions.

Posted by: eman at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (EWsrI)

67 Sounds like a good time to vote for the 2006 budget.

Posted by: CUS at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM (84pE9)

68 45 I'm not gonna debate with you, Jerry! I'm not gonna debate! Three people in Brainerd were killed. We now want the entire 80,000!

---

Where is woodchipper?

Posted by: Gaear Grimsrud at January 02, 2013 12:10 PM (e0xKF)

69 Obviously when the founders devised our system of separation of powers they did not envision the current chief executive (or the media).

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:10 PM (zpqa2)

70 Happy New Year Ace the cob-loggers and to all of the moron horde!!!

I just got back from a week at Disney with the better half and the progeny. It was better than being at the in-laws, but damn the old people on the mobility scooters were rude. And what is it about Florida having worse drivers than NY drivers. I didn't think it was possible.

Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (Fbt5B)

71 so technically it has been Congress' fault.

Barky clamored for the Stimuseless (who can forget his brilliant opining that all spending is stimulative?) which has now become permanent spending, so, yes, it's also his fault.

BTW, how's that socialist mop working out for ya, Barry, you innumerate fuck?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (S/WR4)

72 Don't worry, Boehner, about two weeks before the vote, will inform the world that there is no chance the House won't raise the debt ceiling, therefore handing any power he might have right over to Obama. Boehner is on the case!

Posted by: Rich at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (Aq251)

73

Even with the veil off, people still worship the FJEF.

As VDHanson said on this morning's news dump link, they are no longer hiding their marxism and communistic behavior. It doesn't matter. A sufficient number of idiots have been brainwashed.

Posted by: beach after holiday doldrums at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (LpQbZ)

74 The Air Force will fly it to Hawaii for the SCOAMF to sign.

He'll take two hours and 77 souvenir purple pens.

I love how he draws little hearts and flowers in the As, don't you?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (ZKzrr)

75 I'm feeling restless. *gazes toward Hawaii*

Posted by: Teh Pacific Ocean at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (UOM48)

76 To prevent more indebtedness all the weepy boner and the rest of the house need to do is SIT ON THEIR HANDS.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (epxV4)

77 >>>they did not envision the current chief executive (or the media).

I tend to think the latter. I don't think that they in their wildest dreams imagined news organizations by and large siding with tyranny when they had been so instrumental in their time of opposing it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (0q2P7)

78
I am more than open to compromise..... have said that.... FYNQ.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (nELVU)

79 The bottom line is that even the Dems don't want to raise taxes on the broad middle, and yet there is no way to pay for this government without them, or even with them for that matter. Don't focus on Barry's rhetoric-he's Baghdad Bob-focus on the dilemma the Dems now face. America simply can't afford their dream.

It will be a powerful point when Barry blathers about cuts alone. Boehner, Ryan and the rest will be very outspoken about the ratio of cuts to taxes in the just-completed deal.

Posted by: pep at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (USJNU)

80 What part of losing an election do you fellas not understand





Posted by: Olaf at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (t1NLo)


When have the donks let losing an election impact their agenda?

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (J11mV)

81
I just got back from a week at Disney with the better half and the progeny. It was better than being at the in-laws, but damn the old people on the mobility scooters were rude. And what is it about Florida having worse drivers than NY drivers. I didn't think it was possible.




Shit dude. Where do you think the shitty NY drivers go when they get old and even stupider? Not to fucking Canada I'll wager.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (OlN4e)

82 Is that R.E.M. or REMF?
Would his full title then be SCOAMREMF?

Posted by: AE at January 02, 2013 12:13 PM (NxeQR)

83 69, sure they did. the 10th Amendment. This is ultimately where we're headed, and it really doesn't matter whether the Rs or the Ds hold power.

Posted by: sukie tawdry at January 02, 2013 12:13 PM (MPtFW)

84 Why debate? He has boehner and mcconnel scrabbling at his crotch like Kathy Griffin on her quest for aids.

Posted by: Michelleisacrackwhore at January 02, 2013 12:13 PM (qBLA2)

85 And this whole canard that we can't cut our way out of this presupposes that the 1 Trillion dollar stimulus that has been baked into the only budget that has passed and been continued for the last 3-1/2 years has to stay that way in perpetuity.

You cut the stimulus and 10% discretionary spending and you have a GOD DAMNED BALANCED BUDGET.

Couple that with the known fact that when you cut taxes receipts to the federal government go up and you might even have a goddamned surplus.


FOOLS!!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (RrD4h)

86 * Total budget cuts so far: $38.50
It should be $385. And if you just cut down on panda, that'll cover the $385 easily.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (jPVBi)

87 I wrote this in DrewM's early morning thread but will repeat it here as it is highly relevant --

I just love how TFG is now prepositioning himself on the debt ceiling. 'He won't negotiate for paying for stuff that Congress has already agreed to do'.

They play for yards and we play for inches. Expect that particular argument to be made ad nauseam by the whole Progressive crew (yes that includes the MFM) right up until the vote.

Oh, and expect the ceiling to be thrown in with extending the budget 'continuing resolution', due to expire at the end of March. This is the fantasy budget that Dingy Reid refers to as 'we did pass a budget'.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (ccXZP)

88 And what is it about Florida having worse drivers than NY drivers.

Guess what? They're NY drivers.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (T0NGe)

89 Obviously when the founders devised our system of
separation of powers they did not envision the current chief executive
(or the media). Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:10 PM (zpqa2)

I think the thing that the Founders would find most disappointing and offensive is the devolution of the press into a propaganda arm for one political party. They envisioned a strong free press fearlessly reporting the truth and debating big ideas. We now have a press that massages and manages the news and breathlessly reports the antics of Lohan and the Kardashians to distract everyone from the big problems.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (kXoT0)

90 Drudge has a poll up. You can vote "yea" or "nay" on Boner.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (UOM48)

91 Bbbbut bbbbbut bbbbbbut my betters in the Elite Republican Club said this was a huge win for Boehner and the real cuts will come when he negotiates the debt ceiling with Obama.

I'm not sure who is more damaging to the country....Obama or fools on our side who think Boehner is winning these battles.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (HDgX3)

92 Drudge has a poll up. You can vote "yea" or "nay" on Boner.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (UOM4

Did it, If the votes are any indication, he's toast.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (l86i3)

93 Would love to see Boehner replaced by someone a little more feisty. He may be a fine man and a patriot, but Obama and Reid are running rings around him when it comes to rhetoric.

Posted by: Cricket at January 02, 2013 12:16 PM (DrC22)

94 Did it, If the votes are any indication, he's toast.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (l86i3)



Yep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:16 PM (UOM48)

95 75 I'm feeling restless. *gazes toward Hawaii*

Posted by: Teh Pacific Ocean at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (UOM4



Don't tease.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 02, 2013 12:16 PM (IvVLN)

96 They play for yards and we play for inches. Expect that particular argument to be made ad nauseam by the whole Progressive crew (yes that includes the MFM) right up until the vote.

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Yea, they openly put their foot down and say "no more" while our supposed "leaders" manage to do no such thing. INstead, they stay up to fucking 2 am on New Years trying to placate the other side. Bunch of pussies.

Posted by: Rich at January 02, 2013 12:16 PM (Aq251)

97 Obama to media lapdogs (and the rest of us): "It smells like ...victory."

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 12:16 PM (wbmaj)

98 "We can not not pay bills that we have already incurred."

Finally - a sentence in an Obama speech without the word "I."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (n4EDK)

99 . And what is it about Florida having worse drivers than NY drivers. I didn't think itwas possible.

Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM
I know what you mean. So glad I moved to FL. And sh!t....most of my friends have moved here too...

Posted by: FL blue hair - former NY resident at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (0JB89)

100 CNN is apparently deciding trying to march down the middle isn't working anymore.

NYE they had Ari Velshi screaming that the Debt Ceiling was antiquated. I understand the philosophical point of tying it to legislation (i.e. if you're going to pass a bill that raises the debt by X amount that bill automatically raises the debt ceiling.)
I think you could make the argument that it should be that way (so we have to actually fight about the spending, not this nebulous debt ceiling. Maybe people would take it seriously then.)
But then Velshi went off the rails saying "the US can't default, we'll just print more money!" (Yes, he said it, basically like that.)

Inflation, how does that work economics "expert"

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (4F5x1)

101 But SCOAMF doesn't need to come off vacation to sign. Remember me?


Posted by: AutoPen at January 02, 2013 12:09 PM

You seem vaguely familiar.

Posted by: presidential letters of condolence to KIAs at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (jPVBi)

102
I was expecting Rush back today.

It's hard to contain my disappointment.

Posted by: jwest at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (ZDsRL)

103 > I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up

Yeah, dude, because it's going to be a different Congress.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (syNsT)

104 Drudge has a poll up. You can vote "yea" or "nay" on Boner.

you can vote over and over and over and over again...

Posted by: beach after holiday doldrums at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (LpQbZ)

105 So he forces the Congress to vote for his big spending bills, then forces them to pay for it?

I don't know...I don't like the way this country is headed, but I sure love this Obama fellow!

Posted by: Americans Who Hate the Direction the country is going in at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (ZWaLo)

106 Does Mitt have a daughter named "You're it?"

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (wbmaj)

107 How can anyone here disagree with him? He has the Speaker of the House, Baby Wetsalot, by the balls. Boehner and Mitchell have given him everything he asked for.

Remember: THEY came to him with the bill to sign. THEY came to him saying "here, we want to spend this money."

So how is he wrong? They said "we want to borrow $3.9T in debt." All he's asking them to do is pave the way.

Boehner and Mitchell are pigs; Obama wins. Next.

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (4WC+3)

108 12. Ace, Beck has stolen your TFG schtick. He's calling Barry "That Guy" from now on.


That's not all Beck has borrowed -- if recent reports are at all accurate.

Me, I've taken to calling Obama "Rosemary's Baby". (And sometimes, Stanley Ann's Little Mistake.)

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (occasionally) at January 02, 2013 12:18 PM (S3rrR)

109 We can tax our way to prosperity.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (rFiOs)

110 Rush is back tomorrow.

Posted by: name at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (Camtm)

111 So a bit late, but my kids were singing "I ain't getting nothing for Christmas" - and given TFG's desire to avoid the fiscal cliff I have this mental image of TFG singing "I ain't cutting nothing for Christmas".

Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (Fbt5B)

112 "We can not not pay bills that we have already incurred."

Finally - a sentence in an Obama speech without the word "I."
Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (n4EDK)



nailed it

Posted by: beach after holiday doldrums at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (LpQbZ)

113 Can I just eat my waffles? Then go surfin'?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (f9c2L)

114 102

I was expecting Rush back today.

It's hard to contain my disappointment.




I'd prefer more Mark Steyn. He came close to calling TFG "worthless" or something on Friday, and just caught himself. I nearly drove into a tree.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (UOM48)

115 But then Velshi went off the rails saying "the US can't default, we'll just print more money!"

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Wanna bet...... hold my beer..... watch THIS swan dive.

Posted by: THE DOLLAR at January 02, 2013 12:19 PM (nELVU)

116 I hope we're headed for the 10th amendment, but I think that is also unlikely due to the states not having balls anymore, either. Also, the leviathan has wisely tied all of the states to it financially.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (zpqa2)

117 >>>They play for yards and we play for inches.

We've got a college team desperately trying to run a triple option against an NFL team running the spread. We've been outscored 35 to 3......this quarter.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (0q2P7)

118 Did we become a kingdom when I was away?

Honestly, I thought the essence of a democratic republic was negotiation.

Posted by: marcus at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (GGCsk)

119 If the votes are any indication, he's toast
I wonder how Boehner toast will go with my panda preserves? Nah. Probably too expensive.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (jPVBi)

120 You cut the stimulus and 10% discretionary spending and you have a GOD DAMNED BALANCED BUDGET.

"Mandatory" (entitlement) spending is roughly 2/3 of the budget. Discretionary spending is about 1/3.

The annual budget (to the extent one exists) is about $3 trillion. You'd need to cut approximately 100% of the discretionary budget to reach a balanced budget given the amount of tax revenue being collected.

This is why entitlement reform- the least popular form of spending cut- is so necessary. Discretionary cuts only delay the inevitable.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (SY2Kh)

121 Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

But you forgot to add in the magic money tree in the back yard!

Posted by: Paladin at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (ycm4Q)

122 I saw two charming young gals on TV recently who said they voted for Obama because they heard Romney was going to take their food stamps away, and they need their food stamps! Giggle, giggle.

They were out for a night on the town in Manhattan.

Do bars in Manhattan now take EBT?

Posted by: PJ at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (ZWaLo)

123 I think the thing that the Founders would find most
disappointing and offensive is the devolution of the press into a
propaganda arm for one political party. They envisioned a strong free
press fearlessly reporting the truth and debating big ideas. We now have
a press that massages and manages the news and breathlessly reports the
antics of Lohan and the Kardashians to distract everyone from the big
problems.


Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 02, 2013 12:14 PM (kXoT0)


I disagree on your first points (if they could've envisioned an electorate giving any attention to Lohan and Kardashian it would've been an early Jonestown); the press at the time was mainly a bunch of pamphlets by anybody able to get their mitts on a small printing device. They were a bunch of scandal sheets that would print extremely biased shit with only an occasional regard for objectivity. That's why they never added a "shield law" which the MFM has been lusting for like Slick around young cooter; they knew that the press could be a bunch of turds that would sell the country out for a hit of blow.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (J11mV)

124 Did it, If the votes are any indication, he's toast.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:15 PM (l86i3)

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Pffft. Only right wing nutjob tea baggers read Drudge. The intelligent set voted 99-1 to keep Boehner.

Posted by: Republican Elite at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (HDgX3)

125 >>>But then Velshi went off the rails saying "the US can't default, we'll just print more money!"

I can't wait for the day I can use change from buying a loaf of bread to pay off my mortgage. Good times ahead I tell ya.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (0q2P7)

126 118
Did we become a kingdom when I was away?

Honestly, I thought the essence of a democratic republic was negotiation.


Posted by: marcus at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (GGCsk



Some of my subjects call me Barack the Great, but you can call me Messiah.

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (UOM48)

127 I was expecting Rush back today.

It's hard to contain my disappointment.
Posted by: jwest at January 02, 2013 12:17 PM (ZDsRL)



Missing Dennis Miller today. He's out too.

Posted by: beach after holiday doldrums at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (LpQbZ)

128 But you forgot to add in the magic money tree in the back yard!

Posted by: Paladin at January 02, 2013 12:20 PM (ycm4Q)


And the Booze addled family living in your guest room.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:22 PM (l86i3)

129 Got it. Spend. Build more highways.
You can never have too many highways.

Posted by: fb at January 02, 2013 12:22 PM (JVEmw)

130 "79
The bottom line is that even the Dems don't want to raise taxes on the
broad middle, and yet there is no way to pay for this government without
them, or even with them for that matter. Don't focus on Barry's
rhetoric-he's Baghdad Bob-focus on the dilemma the Dems now face.
America simply can't afford their dream.

It will be a powerful
point when Barry blathers about cuts alone. Boehner, Ryan and the rest
will be very outspoken about the ratio of cuts to taxes in the
just-completed deal.


Posted by: pep at January 02, 2013 12:12 PM (USJNU)"

The Left's counter-rhetoric will be that the GOP has poisoned the well on the value of government programs and people don't want to pay taxes only because they don't understand the value of what they get for that money.
To which the reasonable response should be "Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer, if you would rather pay an extra $2,000 more in taxes this year than take your kids on vacation this summer, vote for the Democrats so they can take that $2,000 and spend it in the ways they choose". At some point, it really does become a choice between having all of the money you make automatically earmarked for spending in ways the bureaucrats in DC want or making your own decisions on what you want to spend the fruits of your labor on. It doesn't really get much more complex than that.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 12:22 PM (eP0u9)

131 Marco Rubio and Tom Cotton at least would have stayed in town to sign the bill.

Suck it honkies!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 02, 2013 12:22 PM (tVTLU)

132 And the Obama lovers will go on talking about how awesome he is, and how glad they are they voted for him.

We're doomed.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 02, 2013 12:23 PM (DuH+r)

133 According to Drudge, Barry skipped town without actually signing the bill... Sounds like he's gonna delay the signature until most people get their first check, so they won't notice the Obamacare tax increase... double win for Barry...

Will we have a new speaker willing to shut the government down???

Posted by: phreshone at January 02, 2013 12:23 PM (0SXI6)

134 @PJ

Last time I checked, the bars in NYC don't take welfare debit cards. But maybe I don't go to the right clubs. I know the Irish pub next to my office does not take them, they prefer cash.

Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:23 PM (Fbt5B)

135 Did anyone happen to watch MSDNC this morning and catch the smug look on Mika's mug?

That twit doesn't have two brain cells rattling around in that air head.

At MSDNC that's called "job security."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 02, 2013 12:24 PM (UOM48)

136 Everyone pays their fair share. Everyone does their part. That's how our economy works best. That's how we grow.

Either the president is engaging in empty sloganeering, or he is a very sloppy thinker.

1) The first two sentences are about fairness. But what is fair? The president is obviously referring to his own prescriptions for fairness.

2) The last two sentences assert that what is most fair in the president's judgment will also be the very thing that makes the economy grow the most.

But why would that be? First of all, even if the president were right about what is truly fair, why would it logically follow that this would necessarily be the best thing for the economy? He offers no proof, and I don't believe he ever has, or ever will, or ever could.

So, does the president speak so dull-wittingly because he believes we are dull-witted, or because he in fact is such a shallow thinker?

Or is there a third option?

Posted by: edj at January 02, 2013 12:24 PM (+QKfp)

137
This guy--The Bamster--is full of more crap than your average constipated buffalo.

I cannot stop myself from saying Screw you Obama--what a dipshit you are. Debate on that particular verdict is absolutely closed. He is a prevaricating pious putz mouthing platitudes cribbed from some third rate management leadership syllabus. He knows the words, but can't carry the tune.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 02, 2013 12:24 PM (oe1aw)

138 "Do bars in Manhattan now take EBT?


Posted by: PJ at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (ZWaLo)"

No, but the little cash they do have they don't have to spend on stuff the EBT does cover, so they can take that to the bars. Alternate explanation is that if they were hot, they won't be paying for anything at the bars anyway.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 12:24 PM (eP0u9)

139 Last time I checked, the bars in NYC don't take welfare debit cards. But maybe I don't go to the right clubs. I know the Irish pub next to my office does not take them, they prefer cash.
Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:23 PM (Fbt5B)

We take em, fo a small service fee.

Posted by: Tyrone Velvet, proprietor, Tyrone's coin operated glory hole and transgendered chicken shack bar an at January 02, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

140 Either the president is engaging in empty sloganeering, or he is a very sloppy thinker.

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Can't it be both?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:25 PM (e0xKF)

141 Comcast's web page headline of 'Fiscal Cliff Averted" has a photo of Obama and Biden


credit where credit is due, as seen by the MFM

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at January 02, 2013 12:25 PM (Dll6b)

142 I just got back from a week at Disney with the
better half and the progeny. It was better than being at the in-laws,
but damn the old people on the mobility scooters were rude. And what is
it about Florida having worse drivers than NY drivers. I didn't think it
was possible.


Posted by: Penfold at January 02, 2013 12:11 PM (Fbt5B)

Most of those "Florida drivers" are actually tourists from your state in rental cars with Florida tags. The rest are snowbirds from the Northeast who have set up residence here so they don't have to pay their state income taxes.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (occasionally) at January 02, 2013 12:26 PM (S3rrR)

143 Watch this drive!

*ball lands in water hazzard*

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 02, 2013 12:26 PM (UOM48)

144 I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up.

This is a reference to a lefty lie they've been pushing for a while now. Expect to see more of it soon.

Democrats are trying to portray the debt limit not as a limit on debt, but as a limit on the amount of debt obligations that that can be repaid. They want people to believe that increasing the debt limit is merely authorization to pay off debt already incurred.

They do this by assuming that unspent but budgeted money is effectively spent- that it represents debt incurred already, even if not yet spent.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 12:26 PM (SY2Kh)

145 You know, If I had the money TFG burned in fuel in his big private plane, I could retire.

Posted by: Tyrone Velvet, proprietor, Tyrone's coin operated glory hole and transgendered chicken shack bar an at January 02, 2013 12:27 PM (l86i3)

146 "Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez in a coma 'only kept alive by life support' after cancer surgery"



Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!

Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!!

Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 12:27 PM (fWAjv)

147 Obama: I'm Not Even Going to Debate the Debt Ceiling

Aw, nuts. That was a big part of my plan.

Posted by: Da' Boner at January 02, 2013 12:27 PM (FcR7P)

148 146 "Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez in a coma 'only kept alive by life support' after cancer surgery"



Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!

Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!!

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PLEASE tell me he had surgery in Venezuela... they've been having power problems for a few years now.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:27 PM (e0xKF)

149
Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!!
Posted by: RWC at January 02, 2013 12:27 PM (fWAjv)

LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:28 PM (l86i3)

150 Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!

Brownouts are for the serfs. Pyongyang always has juice.

I'm still rooting for MRSA.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 02, 2013 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

151 Market is up 223... at least the cave had some positive effect...

Posted by: phreshone at January 02, 2013 12:28 PM (0SXI6)

152 133
According to Drudge, Barry skipped town without actually signing the
bill... Sounds like he's gonna delay the signature until most people get
their first check, so they won't notice the Obamacare tax increase...
double win for Barry...

Will we have a new speaker willing to shut the government down???


Posted by: phreshone at January 02, 2013 12:23 PM (0SXI6)

__________________
What Obamacare tax increases on their first check exactly?
Unless you make $250K+ a year there will be none.
Obamacare is a nightmare as it is. No need to make shit up about it. There are no income taxes related to Obamacare other than the increased Medicare tax on income above $250K. For the 98% of people who don't make $250K+ this is a non issue.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (HDgX3)

153 You can't borrow your way to prosperity. TFG is a stone cold idiot.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (QupBk)

154 >>But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."


He's right about that.

Cutting spending is necessary, just not sufficient.

Its apparently also not particularly "easy" since nobody seems to be able to get it done.



Posted by: looking closely at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (6Q9g2)

155 Do bars in Manhattan now take EBT?

No.
But when you have a Magic Money Card to buy food, that frees your cash up for more important things.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (GFM2b)

156 151
Market is up 223... at least the cave had some positive effect...


Posted by: phreshone at January 02, 2013 12:28 PM (0SXI6)

_________________
Markets up 1%. Inflation up 2%.What a great day!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (HDgX3)

157 140 Can't it be both?
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I guess that's the third option.

Posted by: edj at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (+QKfp)

158 When do we say FUCK IT and start rebelling / seceding?

Posted by: Rebel Yell at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (Bv9qa)

159 I can't wait for the day I can use change from buying a loaf of bread to pay off my mortgage. Good times ahead I tell ya.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 12:21 PM (0q2P7)

It's a good time to be in debt and a bad time to be a saver.So on the balance, I guess I'm doing OK. (I've got my emergency fund, but also a new mortgage and my student loan debt.)When Hyperinflation sets in, as long as I can keep my income roughly at inflation (that's the hard part I suppose.) I should be able to pay off my mortgage early (assuming things rise roughly equally on average the only thing that won't go up in my mortgage cost.)
The wife and I sat down on NYE to discuss having children. (Anonymous Internet moron friends, keep you mouths shut, we didn't tell anyone our plans.) There were 99 economical reasons to keep putting it off, but we settled on "You know what, playing the game conservatively (watching our budget, not having credit cards until the age of 25 and paying them down every month, saving 10% of income/month or so) has gotten us nothing but heartburn. While people who flaunt the system (giant ass mortgages) are getting ahead.So fuck the economic analysis. Let's jump in feet first and just swim our way out on this one.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (4F5x1)

160 150 Here we go brownnnnout...here we go!

Brownouts are for the serfs. Pyongyang always has juice.

I'm still rooting for MRSA.

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I'll go with "abdominal sepsis" for the win.

Appropriate for someone so full of shit to go out that way.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (e0xKF)

161 What part of losing an election do you fellas not understand?



Happy new year, one and all!

Posted by: Olaf at January 02, 2013 12:00 PM (t1NLo)



What part of, you're a dumbfuck, don't you understand?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (1Jaio)

162 ">>>But then Velshi went off the rails saying "the US can't default, we'll just print more money!""




When this is your best argument, you've lost the debate, at least among rational people.

Most of the unfunded debt is either linked to inflation (SS payments) or tied to fee-for-service (Medicare and Medicaid), so "printing more money" does nothing with regard to the bulk of the debt. You think doctors are going to let themselves be paid in dollars that lose value by the minute? No, they'll stop taking Medicare and Medicaid patients.

Not only that, but even for the parts of the debt that can be inflated away to some extent, you can only do that once. Even then, most of that debt is held by US citizens, although the proportion of foreign holdings is growing, so that you are screwing your own citizens for what purpose? What happens after you communicate that intention to the market and then can't borrow on favorable terms for a generation? Are the people in DC suddenly going to get fiscal responsibility religion then?

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 02, 2013 12:31 PM (eP0u9)

163 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:29 PM (HDgX3)

Fine let's go with the "Obama Care Fees" (and make no mistake the increased fees on things like Medical devices might as well be a tax.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:31 PM (4F5x1)

164 #159

If you wait for the 'perfect' time to have kids, then you don't have kids, plus it doesn't get easier to have them as you get older.

Don't make that mistake. People a lot poorer and less responsible than yourself managed to do OK with kids.

Posted by: looking closely at January 02, 2013 12:32 PM (6Q9g2)

165 You see, this is why TFG figures he could live without the debt ceiling increase in this fiscal cliff bargain. As you may recall, at first he was insistent that it be included too.

Then he figured out that it was a sticking point, and that he could just demagogue it to death like he has done so many other times on so many things.

The thing is, will the GOP wilt again in the face of negative press and the constant harping (including a big dose in the SOTU address)?

Sadly, I think I know the answer to this one too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 02, 2013 12:33 PM (ccXZP)

166 1) The first two sentences are about fairness. But what is fair? The president is obviously referring to his own prescriptions for fairness.

To the left, the fact that some people make much more money than others isn't "fair". You see, they only got rich by being lucky, through the benevolence of the federal government, and exploitation.

They didn't build that, you know.

They view wealth and income as a piece of a finite pie. If the wealthy had less, there would be more wealth an income available for the poor. It's and absurd, economically illiterate worldview, yet it's one of their core principles.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2013 12:34 PM (SY2Kh)

167 97 Obama to media lapdogs (and the rest of us): "It smells like ...victory."

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It tastes like it too!!!

Posted by: David Gregory at January 02, 2013 12:34 PM (SO2Q8)

168 Slightly off-topic:

Can we abolish the Current Services Baseline?

Hypothetically:

- What percentage of likely voters would support a platform of just holding the line on spending for awhile? Just freezing it where it is, no less but no more, until our finances look better?

- What percentage of likely voters would support a platform demanding a $9 trillion cut over the next ten years?

- How many of them know these are the same platform?

As PJ O'Rourke put it in Parliament of Whores, government spending grows because, like lawns and zygotes, it is designed to do nothing else.

Posted by: JPS at January 02, 2013 12:34 PM (yv7DK)

169 ">>>But then Velshi went off the rails saying "the US can't default, we'll just print more money!""


"When this is your best argument, you've lost the debate, at least among rational people."

Haven't you heard? Those people are now irrelevant. Rational people are not born, they learn. From pain.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:34 PM (zpqa2)

170 Fine let's go with the "Obama Care Fees" (and make
no mistake the increased fees on things like Medical devices might as
well be a tax.)




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:31 PM (4F5x1)

_________________
Fine. But don't mix up these taxes with income taxes related to paychecks. The average person has no clue about the medical device tax. Telling him your taxes are going up because the MRI machine now has a $80K tax on it, means nothing to him.

This is what the right always does. We talk about shit that the low info voter has no idea about and worse, muddy the waters. You tell him, Obama raised your taxes for Obamacare. Then he gets his paycheck and it's teh same as always and he thinks, WTF are these Republicans talking about, there are no tax increases.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:34 PM (HDgX3)

171 During the time of founders the press was just as partisan as they are now. The difference was there were hundreds of little papers and they were split between factions.


Now we have 5 news services on TV and three publishing companies that own ALL the papers. And every damn one of them are nothing more than PR services for Democrats and the Choom King.

Posted by: Vic at January 02, 2013 12:35 PM (53z96)

172 If you wait for the 'perfect' time to have kids, then you don't have kids, plus it doesn't get easier to have them as you get older.

Don't make that mistake. People a lot poorer and less responsible than yourself managed to do OK with have kids.

FIFY. Do ok is another subject.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 12:35 PM (GFM2b)

173 But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity.

We have the best of everything right now. We've spent an extra $5 trillion dollars the last few years and haven't had to pay for it.

Why aren't we prosperous? Free money should be the very definition of prosperity. Now Mr. Sooper-Genius is telling me what we really need to do is to start confiscating that money from the people, THEN we'll be prosperous.

If only we had journalists.

Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:35 PM (FcR7P)

174 But Mr Moo Moo:

Taxes in paychecks are going up for Joe Blo, trust me, they will see that. SS taxes going back up to normal rates.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 02, 2013 12:36 PM (tVTLU)

175 It's a good time to be in debt and a bad time to be a
saver.So on the balance, I guess I'm doing OK. (I've got my emergency
fund, but also a new mortgage and my student loan debt.)When
Hyperinflation sets in, as long as I can keep my income roughly at
inflation (that's the hard part I suppose.) I should be able to pay off
my mortgage early (assuming things rise roughly equally on average the
only thing that won't go up in my mortgage cost.)
The wife and I sat
down on NYE to discuss having children. (Anonymous Internet moron
friends, keep you mouths shut, we didn't tell anyone our plans.) There
were 99 economical reasons to keep putting it off, but we settled on
"You know what, playing the game conservatively (watching our budget,
not having credit cards until the age of 25 and paying them down every
month, saving 10% of income/month or so) has gotten us nothing but
heartburn. While people who flaunt the system (giant ass mortgages) are
getting ahead.So fuck the economic analysis. Let's jump in feet first
and just swim our way out on this one.




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:30 PM (4F5x1)

______________________________
If there is 1 lesson this election should have taught everyone it's... DO NOT LIVE RESPONSIBLY. People who do get fucked in the end. People who live irresponsibly get rewarded.
Go out and max the credit cards. Get a mortgage you can't afford. In the end you'll get bailed out one way or another.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:36 PM (HDgX3)

176 We've got a college team desperately trying to run a triple option against an NFL team running the spread. We've been outscored 35 to 3......this quarter.
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Can we interview your coach?

Posted by: Philadelphia Eages at January 02, 2013 12:36 PM (SO2Q8)

177 The GOP needs to push back on his comment.....today.

What do they want in return for a ceiling increase? I'd say a bare minimum is a Budget passed by both houses and signed by the President.

Posted by: WisRich at January 02, 2013 12:37 PM (hdpay)

178 145 You know, If I had the money TFG burned in fuel in his big private plane, I could retire.

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We don't see what's stopping you

Posted by: 47% at January 02, 2013 12:37 PM (SO2Q8)

179 He's not going to debate the debt ceiling because he's currently mining platinum for a trillion dollar coin.

Posted by: Uncle Milty at January 02, 2013 12:37 PM (YsFN3)

180 174
But Mr Moo Moo:



Taxes in paychecks are going up for Joe Blo, trust me, they will see that. SS taxes going back up to normal rates.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 02, 2013 12:36 PM (tVTLU)

____________
Yes. And this has nothing to do with Obamacare. That's my point.
And I'm glad SS tax is going back to 6.2%. The 47% who pay no income tax all pay SS tax. I want them to pay more.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:37 PM (HDgX3)

181 Chavez reportedly has pelvic rhabdomyosarcoma. There is no effective treatment, and its only a matter of time before it kills him.

Its also, by the way, not a "good" way to die.



Posted by: looking closely at January 02, 2013 12:38 PM (6Q9g2)

182 Immediately following the remarks, Obama left the White House to return to Hawaii, where his family is still on vacation.






Barry knows that no matter what happens the MFM will hail him as the big hero and the Republicans as the villains. Barry could have stayed in Hawaii and beat off to kiddy porn all day and the MFM would have said that he saved the country from the fiscal cliff

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 02, 2013 12:38 PM (1Jaio)

183 [Cutting spending] is apparently also not particularly "easy" since nobody seems to be able to get it done.


Oh, it's easy. They just don't want to.

You don't still believe that the US government's stated goal is its true goal, do you?

Posted by: Phinn at January 02, 2013 12:39 PM (oFH2D)

184 If you wait for the 'perfect' time to have kids, then you don't have kids, plus it doesn't get easier to have them as you get older.


I was 35, the Mrs. was 30. We both had established carreers and had no financial arguments. It seems money kills many relationships and leaves kids in single parent homes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:40 PM (l86i3)

185 Chavez reportedly has pelvic rhabdomyosarcoma.


Does sulfur help?

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 02, 2013 12:40 PM (v9Cj5)

186 Even if the press of the founders' era was just as partisan as today, the difference is that back then people had basic intelligence and understood basic economic principles. They had to.

Today's dumbed-down society doesn't want or need to know what the founders' society did. We've been TOO successful.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 02, 2013 12:40 PM (zpqa2)

187 The wife and I sat down on NYE to discuss having children.

I recently lost my chance at kids. It makes the fiscal cliff look like a piece of cake.

My parents were both born in 1937, the 2013 of the Great Depression (or, The Prequel, as it will become known). That is, their parents made it thru the Depression and WWII to raise them prosperously during the fifties.

Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:42 PM (FcR7P)

188 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 12:37 PM (HDgX3)

This is the problem though. The new way to increase taxes is to hide them in corporate taxes and "the rich." Thus masking the cost from the average Joe Blow.
(Also there was IIRC an "investment tax" in Obama Care, I'm not sure how that will play out with 401Ks (and similar plans.)
But that might effect Joe Blow.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:43 PM (4F5x1)

189 Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:42 PM (FcR7P)

I once saw a news magazine story about women who spent all their time chasing the corporate brass ring ony to wake up one day and discover they were out of eggs. Much sadness and regret.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 02, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)

190 Autocratic for the people.

I see what you did there.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2013 12:47 PM (9GaPd)

191 Will we have a new speaker willing to shut the government down???

I've got a bad feeling about this...Tea-Party Conservatives vote for somebody else, RINO's go for the Boner, All the Donk's rally around Nancy....BAM! She's Back in the driver's seat!

Posted by: Paladin at January 02, 2013 12:48 PM (bxc5w)

192 I recently lost my chance at kids. It makes the fiscal cliff look like a piece of cake.



My parents were both born in 1937, the 2013 of the Great Depression
(or, The Prequel, as it will become known). That is, their parents made
it thru the Depression and WWII to raise them prosperously during the
fifties.

Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2013 12:42 PM (FcR7P)

In fairness one of my wife's Phobias is ever having even the slightest financial problem. It's hard to explain, it really is.I had trouble getting her to take a 0% financing offer on a new couch (which she wanted, at lots of money.) because she was afraid we'd lose our jobs and not be able to pay it off. Which was strange to me, because she wanted to pay it out of savings, so clearly even if we lost our jobs (over the 4 month course of payments BTW) we could have paid it off (because the money was there.)When it comes to "same as cash" I'm a bigger fan of taking that offer, keeping my money and then dispensing it in smaller chunks.So yeah, the thought of doing something where potential cost equals ???? scares the ever loving shit out of her.Sometimes I think her thought process is that if we make sure to save enough money, and never do anything that ever puts the budget in any sort of tension, there were never be any money fights (which is strange, because all it does is shift the money fights up one level.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:48 PM (4F5x1)

193 Comcast's web page headline of 'Fiscal Cliff Averted" has a photo of Obama and Biden


credit where credit is due, as seen by the MFM


Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at January 02, 2013 12:25 PM (Dll6b)



A lot of sites are doing that. When the didn't look to get done it was always a picture of Boehner and now it's a picture of Barry. They're so subtle that way

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 02, 2013 12:50 PM (1Jaio)

194 Well, maybe Boehner can spend the next 2-months debating with himself - which is pretty much how he spent the last 2-months.

So totally freaking screwed are we.

Posted by: DocJ at January 02, 2013 12:57 PM (A5uiv)

195 "What Obamacare tax increases on their first check exactly?"

Health insurance benefits now count as income, so everyone will see an increase in withholding if not a bump into another tax bracket.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 02, 2013 12:58 PM (KCvsd)

196 What is the tipping point financially and economically? At this burn rate we're Greece by 2022 (or about 200% debt/GDP) which isn't that far away. We know nothing will change before 2017 so at what point does the downward spiral begin? When rates start to tick up (every 100 basis points means and cool $1BB in additional interest), when more countries reject the dollar as THE reserve currency, etc. What's the catalyst or line in the sand where people have an "oh shit" moment only to realize it's too late? I can't see how Bernacke unwinds this scheme (which enables Congress to spend money it doesn't have) and lets rates drift upward without a detonation the world has never seen. Any thoughts on the road ahead?

Posted by: volfan at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (RTb48)

197 (Also there was IIRC an "investment tax" in Obama Care, I'm not sure how that will play out with 401Ks (and similar plans.)
But that might effect Joe Blow.




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 02, 2013 12:43 PM (4F5x1)

______________
Again, only applicable to $250K+. Joe Blow won't feel shit. Which is why all these "GET READY FOR THE OBAMACARE TAXES" type stuff doesn't do anything to move the needle for Joe Blow Shmoe. It doesn't affect it at all directly.

Indirectly, sure it does affect him. Good luck explaining to him though. They did Obamacare very smartly. Lots of pain, but all hidden pain that nobody can actually point to specifically and say, damn it O-care is costing me money.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 01:00 PM (HDgX3)

198 Chavez reportedly has pelvic rhabdomyosarcoma.


Does sulfur help?


Arsenic would.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (GFM2b)

199 And no, the O-care investment tax has nothing to do with 401k accounts.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 01:01 PM (HDgX3)

200 Health insurance benefits now count as income, so
everyone will see an increase in withholding if not a bump into another
tax bracket.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 02, 2013 12:58 PM (KCvsd)

____________________
LOL. Where do you people get this shit?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 02, 2013 01:02 PM (HDgX3)

201 Since no onein the MSM will statethe truththatthis tax increase without any spending cuts does nothing to reduce the deficit and ever-growing debt, it'sup to us to talk this up. (How does Obama even say this is balanced with a straight face?)
Does Boehner/the RNC even have a press office?Putting out talking points on the tax hike and thesandy relief bill that is loaded up with lardshould be easy, but I hear NOTHINGfrom our side, other than on some blogs.

Posted by: LASue at January 02, 2013 01:04 PM (pWeX5)

202 >>>Chavez reportedly has pelvic rhabdomyosarcoma.


Clearly he has had a long and full life, and now should consider the resources that can be used on younger people of more societal potential that he is wasting, and doctors should invoke the Liverpool Care Pathway as a matter of shear dignity towards him as I'm sure it is what he would want if he could still speak.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 02, 2013 01:39 PM (0q2P7)

203 If he has nothing to add to the debate or negotiations why pay attention to him?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 02, 2013 01:43 PM (hLRSq)

204 "Do bars in Manhattan now take EBT"

LOL, good answers on that. I guess once you sell your soul to the gubmint devil, you might as go all the way and hit the bars with your cash or just be a ho.

Posted by: PJ at January 02, 2013 02:06 PM (ZWaLo)

205 "...whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up"
Language means nothing anymore.
The debate is not about bills they have already racked up. That has already been done and will not be paid for this generation.
The debate is about CONTINUING to rack up bills that we can't pay for.

Posted by: Mike S at January 02, 2013 02:11 PM (/4imY)

206 "While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up," Obama said. "We can not not pay bills that we have already incurred."

Oh, that is too rich by half. It is indeed unfotunate that the Founders made impeachment for high crimes and misdemeanors only, because some time a man demagogues a bridge too far. That man signed those bills. He's as culpable as anyone else.

Its a broken record now, but we just need to start preparing for war. That is the only thing going to stop this cycle. Either war, or the crisis of it.

Posted by: Y. at January 02, 2013 02:12 PM (s9+la)

207 To be clear--we should be patient, accept outcomes of elections, prudence indeed, etc etc.

But we know the Progressives now. I refer you to Ace's excellent point above about them trying to criminalize a culture they do not like, because once upon a time it criminalized stuff they did like, and I guess they figure payback's a bitch. They are simply going to go as far as they can go, which, thanks to control of the media, is going to be pretty far. Tyranny is here now in proto-form, and I just finally realized why it is here now--because they wish payback.

So let's just fast-forward to the denouement. It will take war, or the threat of war (more likely) to end this cycle we are on. I'll wait for the rest of you to catch up to that conclusion. I wouldn't take forever, though.

Posted by: Y. at January 02, 2013 02:46 PM (ymoYN)

208 I say "fine" and the House goes home for a couple months around the time period that we hit the debt limit. There is no reason why they have to be there- just take off and let it burn. Obama will likely do something stupid and get himself impeached.

Posted by: A Conservative Teacher at January 02, 2013 03:55 PM (idosS)

209 Tree of Liberty.

Damn freaking parched.

Water it.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at January 02, 2013 04:57 PM (hq0VE)

210 "But we cannot simply cut our way to prosperity."

Odd that he somehow believes we can tax ourselves to prosperity.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 02, 2013 05:23 PM (rNekI)






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