House GOP Strategy On Senate Bill
UPDATE: House Could Add $300 Billion In Cuts But It Doesn't Sound Good
Report: Amendment Effort Dead, House Will Pass Senate Bill As Is

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ABOVE THE POST UPDATE

Done.

Members email from floor: spending amendment doesn't have 218. Not likely to pass. Rules getting ready to move on Sen deal as is.

House has finished with its three non-fiscal cliff votes. Just recessed subject to the call of the chair.

But the GOP will definitely grow some balls in the next two months. Related: Lucy totally promises to leave the football on the ground next time.

Official: No amendments, straight up passing the Senate bill.

Original Post:
Word is starting to leak out of the GOP conference about the options Boehner is laying out.

Boehner presented 2 options to R's. One would be to amend #fiscalcliff bill with cuts and see if it could pass and send to Senate.

The other option is just to bring the Senate bill to the floor for an up or down vote.

Sounds like Boehner is trying to find out if there are 218 Republican votes for the current tax scheme in the Senate bill (over $400k, etc) plus cuts or...will the purity brigade say they can't support any tax hikes?

I sympathize with the "no new taxes period" gang but voting no on offsetting cuts means the Senate bill will likely pass as is thanks to Pelosi whipping her votes and enough squishes.

The GOP needs to pass the spending cut amendment. It will probably kill the Senate bill anyway and we'll start over on Thursday.

Process: The House is going to hold 3 votes unrelated to the fiscal cliff. The idea is to get everyone on the floor, find out how many members are there (what's the magic number to pass something?) and to have them in place so the leadership can whip them.

It'll be 25-30 minutes at least on these votes, then we get to the main event.

UPDATE: $300 billion in unspecified cuts. They kind of just picked a number I guess. So, $30 billion a year over 10 years or the amount of the unemployment insurance extension in the Senate bill. This when we're running $1 trillion a year deficits.

And it doesn't sound likely we'll even get that out of the House (let alone the Senate and Obama).

Oh well, it was fun to think the GOP might have had some backbone left.

But hey...they've kept their powder dry and this compete capitulation will bring us one step closer to victory in two months!

Let It Burn...it's not a suggestion, it's an observation.

Posted by: DrewM. at 06:19 PM



Comments

1 1st

Posted by: Dr Fish, TDY to SAT for ill mom at January 01, 2013 06:22 PM (ndqJC)

2 Demand spending cuts.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 01, 2013 06:22 PM (FZxr7)

3 There is no win here for the GOP. They need to just pass the Senate bill and live to fight another day. The markets and press will DESTROY them if they don't and they'll end up caving anyway.

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 06:23 PM (FcG0+)

4 agree to raise taxes in ten years for spending cuts now

Posted by: kurtilator at January 01, 2013 06:24 PM (juh4Z)

5 "Boehner presented 2 options to R's. One would be to amend #fiscalcliff
bill with cuts and see if it could pass and send to Senate."

Don't just amend with cuts. Amend with tax increases.

Put in (a) repeal of the deductibility of state income tax, and (b) repeal the deduction for mortgage interest. 85% of the financial benefit of those two measures accrues to high income taxpayers in coastal states which happen to be solidly Democratic.

That will put the Democrats in the ugly situation of having to hold their noses and vote down a tax increase on "the wealthy".

Agitprop. Monkeywrenching. They aren't playing fair, so why should we?

Posted by: torquewrench at January 01, 2013 06:25 PM (gqT4g)

6 Why not let Pelosi get her fingerprints on it? That means she and the Democrats will have to take the blame for anything that follows. Right now all the blame goes to the Republicans, might as well share it because no legislation short of actually tackling and cutting spending by significant amounts will address the core problem.

Posted by: walrus at January 01, 2013 06:25 PM (MnQea)

7 I don't even know if I care anymore. So tired of them all. 2013 should be just ducky.

Posted by: jaimo at January 01, 2013 06:26 PM (D8lIv)

8 Like every other hill, not the hill to die on

Posted by: The dude at January 01, 2013 06:26 PM (tw6Ar)

9 if only Gary Johnson was president and we had a 43% in spending cuts, everything would be magically fixed with no side effects or anything

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 06:27 PM (8HhF2)

10 to Cantor

@GOPLeader Do Not Fold. Voters made their choice & that choice included the taxes aspired to by the Obama admin. Do not martyr yourself.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 06:27 PM (piMMO)

11 I read earlier that some House conservatives do not want a spending amendment.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:27 PM (YjDyJ)

12 A Rand Paul presidency is looking better by the day.

Hell, a RON Paul presidency is looking better by the day.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 06:28 PM (piMMO)

13 Yes, Diddy.

What exactly is the end game here?

Posted by: PJ at January 01, 2013 06:28 PM (ZWaLo)

14 As usual it takes the resident democrat to state the obvious way to fix it

LET IT BURN!!!!
Then put all the bastards in prison

Rebuild from the ashes

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 01, 2013 06:29 PM (pZikN)

15 Primary Everyone /redstate

yaaay

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 06:29 PM (8HhF2)

16 13 What exactly is the end game here?

They are making it up as they go along.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:29 PM (YjDyJ)

17 Or, here's the alternate tactical scenario.

Give Obama what he wants. PRECISELY what he wants. To the letter.

He wants fat new taxes on all income over two-fifty? Give it to him.

He wants new "stimulus" spending? Give him that.

He wants Reggie Love to get paid $500K annually by the taxpayers for unspecified personal services? Give him that too.

But make it clear that OBAMA OWNS whatever results from all this, and that not one bit of the blame can be laid at the feet of the GOP.

There are going to be many, many anguished and angry calls and letters arriving on Capitol Hill in the next six months as the new Obamacare mandates bite deep. Republicans are entirely immunized against this risk, because they can, to the last man jack, tell their constituents that they voted NO on the whole shebang. (Cao, the one aisle-crosser, is out of the House.)

Play it the same way with Obama's cliff plan. Pass what he wants. Drop the blame on his desk. But, for sanity's sake, do what was done with the "Bush tax cuts". Build in a sunset date. Say, 2014. When the political heat will be way up on the Senate Democrats.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 01, 2013 06:30 PM (gqT4g)

18 Laissez le fucker burnez!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 06:31 PM (HDgX3)

19 Jump off the fiscal cliff. Hiding the cost of an enormous government is doing the middle class no favors. But if you are a sleazy politician, it just may get you re-elected.

Posted by: Dogbert at January 01, 2013 06:32 PM (DoRtL)

20 Choice A: We get fucked hard

Choice B: We get fucked harder

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 06:32 PM (HDgX3)

21
Boehner presented another option, failing his arms wildly and slurring at Cantor, "You think you're so tough! You think you can take your old man now?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 01, 2013 06:32 PM (kdS6q)

22 Spending cuts have to be in the bill.
I had to cut my spending to afford a mortgage on my parents' house last year. My mother put it in a trust and she had to go to a nursing home. One of my brothers wanted the money, I bought him out rather than sell in a buyers market.
I have had no increase in my income. I learned to live within my means.

Congress has to do the same as most responsible people do!

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 06:33 PM (z4WKX)

23 @PJ

They're fooling themselves if they think they'll get a better deal at the bottom of the cliff. Passing this and a constant drumbeat of "what is he presidents plan for the deficit and debt?" along with presumably another Ryan budget getting passed

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 06:33 PM (FcG0+)

24 17 Say, 2014. When the political heat will be way up on the Senate Democrats.

The GOP just got burned on the SCOAMT being booted from office, so why make a similar assumption regarding the mid-terms?

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:33 PM (YjDyJ)

25 17. Ummmmm
Let it burn, not bring in SMOD carrying nuclear weapons

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 01, 2013 06:33 PM (pZikN)

26 @philipaklein RT @j_strong: Radically different tone coming out of this meeting. Seems doubtful the amendment path will get 218.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:34 PM (YjDyJ)

27 Lower marginal rates to 19% across the board. Allow the current rates to expire.

Cut all spending 10%. Again, across the board.

Defund the stimulus.

Defund Energy, Education, and Environment.

Most importantly, amend the rules for the OMB to take into account dynamic revenue projections rather than static ones, and change baseline budgeting to zero based budgeting.

Anything less is an asinine capitulation.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:34 PM (diFKS)

28 Waste of time.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 06:35 PM (EWsrI)

29 Please, enough of this 'do what's best for the country' mentality that infests the GOPe and their mouthpieces in the blogosphere.

What's in the best interest of the country is to defeat Obama and the Democrats, all the time.

Torquewrench has it exactly right; the deductibility of state taxes is especially indefensible. Let's start doing material damage to blue interests and dimming their future in general.

Why? Because its FAIR.

Listen, noodle spined posters who need not be named (again): Its only a war if both sides fight. Otherwise, its just a massacre.

Posted by: njinfl at January 01, 2013 06:36 PM (Iis02)

30 "so the leadership can whip them"? Too bad the whipping is only metaphorical. If they raffled off tickets for ordinary Americans to literally whip their least favorite congressmen on camera, they could balance the budget. Of course, probably no more than 10% of Congress would survive, but we could replace them. Power-hungry incompetents aren't exactly thin on the ground.

Posted by: Dr. Weevil at January 01, 2013 06:36 PM (4myIs)

31 The only way Dems lose seats n 2014 is if they're suicidal enough to try an outright gun ban. And even then, people will be so brainwashed that Republicans caused the recession of 2013/2014, it might not matter what they do with guns.

So the option for Republicans is

a. Agree to deal, kiss country goodbye in 5 years when the whole thing collapses

b. Don't agree to it, give Democrats 10 more senate seats in 2014 as well as the house and Obama can do whatever the fuck he wants for 2 years, leading to a full communism within 5 years.

What to do, what to do as a Republican backbencher.....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 06:36 PM (HDgX3)

32 CBO has just scored the Senate bill, it will add 4 trillion in neww debt over the next 10 years. Zerohedge has the link to that just released CBO report.
doesn't matter what the country does, nothing in next few years will be pretty as most of this money is borrowed.

As least the house repubs are attempting to even try and bring an ounce of fiscal sanity to this so called "deficit reducing" bill from the Senate, pass by economic illiterates, many of whom have never held a real job in their lives.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 01, 2013 06:38 PM (3Kxux)

33 At this point, I would add a repeal of Obamacare. If that passes, pass the bill as is and make the dems own that part. If SCOAMT is so desperate to get out of DC, make him lose BIG on Obamacare.
Does anyone realize how much that is going to add to the deficit? In addition to ruining our healthcare options, we don't want it or need it.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 06:39 PM (z4WKX)

34 "The GOP just got burned on the SCOAMT being booted from office, so why make a similar assumption regarding the mid-terms?"

Because the supermotivated Obama base only turns out when Obama is running.

This is the downside of a personality cult. The cultists are fully energized and mobilized only when the personality is in play.

They didn't show up in the 2010 midterms, because Obama wasn't running that year, and what resulted was the Democrats losing control of the House and Pelosi losing the Speaker's gavel (she kept her broom, though).

By the way, if you go back and read what I was saying all through September and October of 2012, I can in no way be accused of irrational optimism about electoral prospects. While a huge number of people all over the dextrosphere were calmly asserting, "Obama is toast. Relax. We've got this," I was desperately ringing every impending-loss alarm bell I could.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 01, 2013 06:39 PM (gqT4g)

35 I'm confused. Why do we care anymore? Spending will never go down, taxes will go up, debt will still be astronomical, entitlements will still implode, and we'll still get the blame from a population that doesn't have even the slightest clue what is going on (I had to explain to a coworker the other day what the fiscal cliff is; he never even heard the damn phrase).

We can never compete with fools promising the world, even if they can't deliver.

At some point in time, we need to start seriously considering secession. There is no way we win within this system. If this clusterfuck hasn't proven that, I don't know what will. I'm officially on board with Let It Burn, but rather than burning everything, let's fight for our own bit of the planet to keep intact.

Posted by: Aaron at January 01, 2013 06:40 PM (Tlix5)

36
I just want to point out (becauce it's SO important!) that **I called it **- we are officially "over the cliff". I actually called it weeks ago, just not in here.

That being said, it will really rain on my parade anywayif they take the Senate deal. We would technically be "over the cliff", but it would be a minor point. I wonder why the Senate Republicans are going along with this.

I am really outraged, BTW, at this attitude I'm hearing from the Senate, suggesting that they made a deal, and so if the House doesn't go along with it that the House is somehow "breaking the deal". The House wasn't in on the deal in the first place.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 01, 2013 06:40 PM (Mxt9o)

37 Listen, noodle spined posters who need not be named (again): Its only a war if both sides fight. Otherwise, its just a massacre.


Your mistake is believing the Republicans are actually the enemy of Democrats. They're on the same side, putting on the same show, for the same rubes.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:41 PM (diFKS)

38 Let it burn faster. Hell, make the taxes even higher, why drag this out for another year, don't cut spending, lower the tax rate bracket to 100K.

The whole thing is going to fall apart soon enough anyways.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 01, 2013 06:41 PM (3Kxux)

39 31, Option c, don't "agree" to anything. Just present it and all vote "present."


Posted by: Waingro at January 01, 2013 06:42 PM (+k7pf)

40 Optimizer...the House bailed and Boehner said it was up to the Senate to come up with a deal. So they did. The House could have gotten of its ass at any time in the past week.

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 06:44 PM (FcG0+)

41 To paraphrase Patton, the goal should not be to die for your country. It should be to make the other guy die for his. Since haven't made the case for spending cuts at all, we get little out of committing suicide right now and wouldn't be in any worse position than if we decided to let it burn two months from now. I've been part of the let it burn brigade, but not right now. We can wait two damn months before letting it burn.

This bill does suck. It's what happens when you lose elections and don't argue your case at all.

Posted by: AD at January 01, 2013 06:44 PM (wxX5N)

42 prepare for impact motherfuckers!



This bitch is going down

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 01, 2013 06:45 PM (jfSqj)

43 @AD...100%

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 06:45 PM (FcG0+)

44 Boehner and McConell are worthless Republican leaders. They stand for nothing different than your typical Democrat. The Party is essentially no different than the Democrat party.

These two old farts must go ASAP!!!

Posted by: kim at January 01, 2013 06:45 PM (fLALM)

45 We don't need no water...

Posted by: wooga at January 01, 2013 06:45 PM (jgnqm)

46 It'd be a good time to fumigate the Capitol.

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 06:47 PM (v7qJe)

47 Whip it, Whip it good!!!

Posted by: Things Patton might have said at January 01, 2013 06:47 PM (Oi60j)

48 What we need is more freedom.

Posted by: mrp at January 01, 2013 06:47 PM (HjPtV)

49 What we need is more freedom Cake Girl.

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 06:48 PM (v7qJe)

50 Whip Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: William Eaton at January 01, 2013 06:48 PM (rwioF)

51 32 CBO has just scored the Senate bill, it will add 4 trillion in neww debt over the next 10 years.

CBO assumes that tax cuts cost the government money, an argument liberals have been making for years.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:49 PM (YjDyJ)

52 Your mistake is believing the Republicans are actually the enemy of
Democrats. They're on the same side, putting on the same show, for the
same rubes.


Yes, the political class is in it for themselves, not for us.

Posted by: Retread at January 01, 2013 06:49 PM (zxitI)

53 44 wah

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 06:49 PM (8HhF2)

54 I'm tired of Malkin, Sargent etc. and many other journalists who likely won't be affected in the slightest by sequestration treating this like a football game. Easy to say Stand Strong! if you don't have to live with the consequences

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 06:50 PM (FcG0+)

55 Personally, I don't think they've been whipped enough.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 06:50 PM (yiIja)

56 I said OMB in 27. I now amend that to say CBO.

Damn, second mistake of the year.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:51 PM (diFKS)

57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 06:51 PM (piMMO)

58 Boehner should add this,
http://tinyurl.com/3qge88e
to the Senate Bill and have the House vote on it.

If the House R's want to solve the problems of out of control spending and constant deficits, they'll vote for it.

If the House D's are serious about solving the problems of insufficient revenue and constant deficits, they will vote for it.

If the public wants to have a serious discussion, away from the politics of Washington, on putting a stop to spiraling deficits and the debt, they will urge Congress to pass the bill with this amendment included.

Yes, the revised bill needs a 2/3rds vote rather than a simple majority to pass, but they got that already in the Senate without this common sense provision and it doesn't affect what they previously passed at all.

Is Obama serious about the deficits and debt? If so, he will sign the bill.

Posted by: Dusty at January 01, 2013 06:51 PM (KR2Ca)

59 Yes, they will not get a better deal at the bottom of the cliff! They will get scorched by TFG and the MFM! Weakening them even further. Obama will offer them cuts to make it go down easier--to the military!

Let me predict the next snafu: they will wait a few more days until they get a new Congress to act.

Boehner appears to be mute, but if he would like a good talking point, how about this: Why doesn't Obama do what "most beloved president ever" Clinton did when faced with a Repub Congress? Compromise! End welfare (kinda)! Cut spending! Result? Prosperity. Not socialist prosperity, but prosperity nonetheless. Peggy Joseph might even like it, if she could still get some of O's stash.

Posted by: PJ at January 01, 2013 06:51 PM (ZWaLo)

60 Happy New Year, J.H.!!! (You know who you are!)

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:52 PM (diFKS)

61
Nice tails I win, heads you lose option by Boehner. I have no doubt they keep this govt teet sucker as speaker.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 06:53 PM (69Mdf)

62 I'm tired of Malkin, Sargent etc. and many other journalists who likely won't be affected in the slightest by sequestration treating this like a football game. Easy to say Stand Strong! if you don't have to live with the consequences

****

The house might have to eat shit to keep folks, many of whom slit their own wrists, from getting hit with higher taxes, but they damn sure need to put up a fight before doing so.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 06:53 PM (piMMO)

63 I'm enjoying the football much more than I'm enjoying Congress.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:53 PM (diFKS)

64 34 They didn't show up in the 2010 midterms, because Obama wasn't running that year, and what resulted was the Democrats losing control of the House and Pelosi losing the Speaker's gavel (she kept her broom, though).

Pelosi might have lost the House but Reid has retained the Senate.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 06:53 PM (YjDyJ)

65 54

i'm guilty of this sometimes, on a bunch of issues really, thinking too much about short-term politics, polls and how people "can't" support something cuz X voters don't like it

when people're treating everything as a Cosmic Ideological Struggle though, figures that that mentality takes over. i'm pretty ideological too, just up to a point.

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 06:54 PM (8HhF2)

66 Taxpayers: "This is madness....."

Congress: "This is Washington!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Down the endless well of debt and spending we taxpayers go...


Posted by: William Eaton at January 01, 2013 06:55 PM (rwioF)

67 Whatever the outcome, the only thing certain is we should be well lubed.

Posted by: FURPC at January 01, 2013 06:55 PM (0ImZM)

68 Not stealing extra money from the greatest producers, that's super-ideological wih no bearing on the real world.

Got it.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 06:56 PM (diFKS)

69 >>>the only thing certain is we should be well lubed.

Way ahead of you.

Posted by: Hillary's FUPA at January 01, 2013 06:56 PM (v7qJe)

70 No.

This is what is infuriating about Boehner. If you know how the house procedure works, no. What a total fucktard.

The reality is this: he needs to go as speaker. The power the house has as the sole originator of revenue and budgets is immense. And crying John has let Obama go 2 years without a budget. He created the fiscal cliff to give himself something new to surrender over.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 06:56 PM (dkw5q)

71 41 Since haven't made the case for spending cuts at all, we get little out of committing suicide right now and wouldn't be in any worse position than if we decided to let it burn two months from now.

Posted by: AD at January 01, 2013 06:44 PM (wxX5N)
---

ditto. Also the sidebar Sowell: "when did Boehner EVER make our case????"

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 01, 2013 06:57 PM (Y5I9o)

72 "ditto. Also the sidebar Sowell: "when did Boehner EVER make our case????""

Why should he? It's not our party.

Posted by: mrp at January 01, 2013 06:58 PM (HjPtV)

73 OObama's approval numbers went up another tenth

Posted by: occam at January 01, 2013 06:59 PM (a1DDJ)

74 68 ideology is fine and can be perfectly in tune with the real world. it's just that it's impossible for the GOP to comes out of this getting everything they want re:taxes. without that it's just posturing.

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:00 PM (8HhF2)

75 69
Posted by: Hillary's FUPA at January 01, 2013 06:56 PM (v7qJe)

Finally, something to aspire to!

Posted by: Lena Dunham at January 01, 2013 07:00 PM (Y5I9o)

76 What would happen if the house pased spending bills that cut spending? Say 10%? Since the Senate hasn't passed a budget what spending rate would go into effect?

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 07:00 PM (diFKS)

77
I'm tired of Malkin, Sargent etc. and many other journalists who likely won't be affected in the slightest by sequestration treating this like a football game. Easy to say Stand Strong! if you don't have to live with the consequences.

I stopped listening or watching Hannity the day after the election when he started his"let not your heart be troubled" bullshit. Yeah, Sean, you still have your two jobs, while I've been funemployed for almost five years now.

I've thought about calling him and telling him what I've been going through.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:01 PM (yiIja)

78 But milk's going up to eight dollars a gallon.

Posted by: Bildo at January 01, 2013 07:02 PM (eToum)

79
We are the farthest away from the next election that we could be, if the repubs had any spine they would kill this here and now. But of course they don't, they are in cahoots with the dems to protect their little thiefdoms.

More Lobster to the House Dining Area! STAT!!!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 07:02 PM (69Mdf)

80 Either commit to amending the bill or take the up-or-down vote. This is ridiculous.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:02 PM (YjDyJ)

81 Since the election I have watched and listened to nothing besides some football. And not on NBC.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 07:03 PM (diFKS)

82 Hope it fails so we get more whining from Drew

Posted by: The dude at January 01, 2013 07:03 PM (tw6Ar)

83 Politicians are the worst kind of people.

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:04 PM (v7qJe)

84 I get all my news here and at about three other sites. I'm no less well informed and my blood pressure is down.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 07:05 PM (diFKS)

85 "So, $30 billion a year over 10 years..."

When did we start budgeting in 10 year increments? I don't recall it being done that way before the Obama Campaign took power.

No wait, there's is no budget at all and this is all bullshit, isn't it?

Posted by: forest at January 01, 2013 07:05 PM (L7wZc)

86 I like Drew's whining.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at January 01, 2013 07:06 PM (diFKS)

87 Truman, I have been watching Dexter on demand instead of news. It just exasperates me and I never watched Dexter when it was on.

I do not like football.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:06 PM (z4WKX)

88 @77. Exactly...

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 07:06 PM (FcG0+)

89 76 What would happen if the house pased spending bills that cut spending? Say 10%? Since the Senate hasn't passed a budget what spending rate would go into effect?

If said cut was not passed by the Senate and signed by the SCOAMT, the current spending rate would be retained.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:07 PM (YjDyJ)

90
Commies only go with a 5 year plan.

We do ten to hide the spending cuts that never occur.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 07:07 PM (69Mdf)

91 Truman,

Exactly.

Boehner could simply put forth spending bills with cuts, and till the senate that it can up/down them, because all spending originate in the house. No consideration of senate amendments or changes.

Infact, he could put the 2008 budget to a vote, including in it the tax changes/fixes, etc.

Which would be a balanced budget under current revenues. Tge only thing stopping a 'balanced' budget is 1) no budget and 2) the stimulus has become permanent.

One reason the federal reserve did what it dud was to inflate tax revenues to allow the budget to be fixed, which in theory would offset the inflation created by the fed with the huge economic advantages of a balanced budget.

Obama responded by making the stimulus permanent, and keeping the deficit the same. Boehner went along with it.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 07:08 PM (vsjJ0)

92 These fucking cocksuckers are gonna cave.

I repeat.

These fucking cocksuckers are gonna cave.


VOTE THEM ALL OUT THEN BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!

www.PitchforksAndTorches.com

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:08 PM (+OTLF)

93 @robertcostaNRO Members email from floor: spending amendment doesn't have 218. Not likely to pass. Rules getting ready to move on Sen deal as is.

@robertcostaNRO Members think Boehner has at least 50-70 Repubs on Sen deal, with number increasing right now on floor

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:09 PM (YjDyJ)

94 Why does Obama once a senator, always send Biden? Is it because they dislike Obama so much, his fellow senators? I am curious.

Does TFG think he's king and can dispatch Biden?
Does anyone know?

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (z4WKX)

95 Great.
Just got a call. Guy I've known over 40 years. Best man at my first marraige. If I'd have listened to him I wouldn't have made that mistake.
Lung cancer. Into lymph nodes some. Just started chemo.

Posted by: teej still says go K-State at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (SgWU/)

96 LET IT BURN!

TO THE GROUND!

THEN WE FIGHT!

THEN WE DEPORT!

THEN WE RE-EDUCATE!

LIKE IN CHINA!


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (+OTLF)

97 Cantor just posted on Facebook they passed a Congressional pay freeze. So there's that.

Posted by: small town girl at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (9Zci/)

98
Why are conservatives so fucking stupid??

THIS IS A FANTASTIC MOVE, PASS THE FUCKING SENATE BILL.

We lost the fucking election. This is what Obama ran on. So, pass the tax increases on those above $400k.

Follow me so far. SO THE TAX INCREASE PORTION IS FUCKING DONE.

And guess what, the payroll tax holiday is gone, so EVERYONE'S TAXES ARE GOING UP.

People who live paycheck to paycheck know the exact amount of their checks. They are going to NOTICE when $100 or $200 is gone.
70% of Obama voters think spending needs to be cut big time. So now with the tax portion out of the way, we hold two nuclear weapons against the profligate spenders:

1) debt ceiling; and 2) sequestration.

Pass this fucking bill and we hold all the cards. Repubs say we are giving up a big principle here, but we will pass the tax hikes. RAM IT THE FUCK THROUGH AND GET IT DONE.

You want to see an empty threat, imagine obama demanding tax increases AGAIN in return for spending cuts, after taxes just went up on EVERYONE. He will be laughed out of the fucking room.

This set up perfectly for the GOP. Now can they just shut the fuck up and realize where the ball game is?

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (xnYHG)

99 "CBO assumes that tax cuts cost the government money, an argument liberals have been making for years.
"

In this case tax cuts will cost this US govt money, because that money is borrowed. Back decades ago when this country was not nearly as in debt and productive, tax cuts meant a more productive growing private sector economy.

40 cents on the dollar is now borrowed, tax cuts, of any kind is in part still borrowed money, however spending is too, all of it is borrowed at this point, and its growing from 40 cents to 50+ cents on the dollar.

and what won't be borrowed will be printed up, devaluing the dollar.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 01, 2013 07:11 PM (3Kxux)

100 A flaming skull update!

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:11 PM (jPVBi)

101
OH THIS IS SO AWESOME, PASS THE FUCKING BILL WITH DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT.

Seriously guys, it could not play out any fucking better than this if we had tried to do it.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:11 PM (xnYHG)

102 89,

No. No spending would occur absent house authorization.

Boehner holds the purse strings. He chooses to allow this. The senate would be forcing the impasse, not the house.

That's why JB is such bullshit. This was created by 2 years of capitulation on continuing resolutions, speeding bills, etc.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 07:11 PM (WI2es)

103 This is not the plane to die on.

Posted by: John Boehner at January 01, 2013 07:12 PM (v7qJe)

104 Fuck it. Raise taxes on everyone to 75%!

DO IT!

LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN!


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (+OTLF)

105 find out how many members are there (what's the magic number to pass
something?) and to have them in place so the leadership can whip them.


In a sane country, the leadership would have to get in line...

Posted by: Palandine at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (g7D8V)

106 I TOLD YOU THE COCKSUCKERS WOULD CAVE!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (+OTLF)

107 We watched Live Free or Die Hard (2007) the other day on the gas-fired TeeVee.

I realized about 1/4 the way through it was an entire assload better than anything in the Batman franchise.

That realization made me angry. Then I turned into the Hulk. Then Obama gave me some money for being green and shit. Then I woke up even angrier.

Posted by: K-Bob at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (q5qmo)

Posted by: Peaches at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (kpCLl)

109 From Ed Henry at Twitter:

Overheard at WH, departing aide says: "Oh it will pass" in the House. (pause) "If it doesn't, we'll be back."

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (piMMO)

110 House Speaker Pelosi-Boehner

Posted by: shared values at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (BAnPT)

111

that Senate bill will pass...
with the majority of votes coming from House Democrats

say goodbye to the GOP House in 2014

turnout will be at historical lows in 2014 because people will say what's the point


Posted by: Soothsayer at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (1WM2H)

112 Our power just came on after being off for half an hour. My dad gave me a pocket size copy of the Constitution he got at a Tea Party rally a couple of years ago. I read the amendments to the kiddos by candlelight. I am raising the future ones who will rebuild.

Posted by: Jmel at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (9tSXa)

113 Wow.

What an epic capitulation.

Boehner must go as speaker.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (WI2es)

114 Victory is just one retreat away!

Posted by: Command Boehner at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (FcR7P)

115
Seriously, why is everyone on here freaked out about this.

WE LOST THE FUCKING ELECTION.

Of course something like this was going to get rammed through, period.

Democrats are just about to jack taxes on EVERYONE!!!!!! And yet we fucking idiots can't see the beauty in this.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (xnYHG)

116 First?

Posted by: ALH at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (eqV3Q)

117 I'm bored with all of this.

This thread is now about cute pandas.

http://tinyurl.com/7rorsfu

Posted by: Warden at January 01, 2013 07:14 PM (HzhBE)

118 110
House Speaker Pelosi's Harry Boehner



Posted by: shared values at January 01, 2013 07:13 PM (BAnPT)

Fixed it for you.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:15 PM (+OTLF)

119 STUPID STUPID STUPID Shoot-yourself-in-the-foot STUPID!

Won't pass Plan B with $1 mill as the threshold for higher taxes but will pass the pos's bill with the threshold at $450G.

Did I say STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And giving the pos ANOTHER victory while HUMILIATING the entire repub house??????????????

Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Posted by: wyntre at January 01, 2013 07:15 PM (MrQiL)

120 102 89, No. No spending would occur absent house authorization.

A cut does not go into effect just because the House voted on it.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:15 PM (YjDyJ)

121
Why is this a bad deal?

I mean seriously you guys are fucking wacky on this one.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (xnYHG)

122 I read the amendments to the kiddos by candlelight.

How can you read if the TV is off?

Posted by: Calling Us "Low-Info" Is Being Polite at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (FcR7P)

123 the problem with the whole "people will be mad at the Dems for the payroll tax increase" is that for whatever reason that seems to be a bipartisan policy

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (8HhF2)

124 I need new curse words.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (piMMO)

125 expiration, whatever.

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (8HhF2)

126 Here's some news you can use: The Journal News has hired armed security guardsafter 'name shame' of armed citizens. Just read it on Drudge.

Posted by: ALH at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (eqV3Q)

127 ... former bartender Moe, now House Speaker Boehner, reads the teleprompter as well as Obama, Boehner's aspiration.

Posted by: shared values at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (BAnPT)

128 Yep. It will take the rules committee an hour to prepare the Senate Bill for an up/down vote.
It's over, except for specific votes. A minority of the majority will pass the Senate compromise. Boehner knew what he was doing when he gave it to the Senate. It was the only path forward. BO will go down in infamy (in my mind)

Posted by: carolina at January 01, 2013 07:17 PM (oyZpF)

129 'The willow which bends to the tempest, often escapes better than theoak which resists it..'
*hiccup*'

Posted by: John Boehner at January 01, 2013 07:17 PM (v7qJe)

130 Posted by: teej still says go K-State at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (SgWU/)

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Maybe he'll be okay.
I know of one man that survived lung cancer, he got it in the beginning of 2010, he's fine now.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:17 PM (z4WKX)

131
I need new curse words.

...Pick your poison: aspartame.

Posted by: shared values at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (BAnPT)

132
Boehner, brilliant brilliant brilliant job on this one.

Makes me think he has what it takes to be speaker. The real test is on the debt ceiling limit and the sequestration.

That's where it's time to go for the throat of these assholes.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (xnYHG)

133 130
Posted by: teej still says go K-State at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (SgWU/)



I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Maybe he'll be okay.

I know of one man that survived lung cancer, he got it in the beginning of 2010, he's fine now.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:17 PM (z4WKX)

Oh you watch breaking bad too?

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (+OTLF)

134 Prescient 11...I want to believe. I hope you're right.

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (FcG0+)

135 121

Why is this a bad deal?

I mean seriously you guys are fucking wacky on this one.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:16 PM (xnYHG)

_________________
$41 of NEW TAXES

for every
$1 of SPENDING CUTS
Any other questions?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (HDgX3)

136 113 What an epic capitulation.
Boehner must go as speaker.


Boehner said he hold a vote on a spending amendment if 218 members agreed. Lacking the votes and being encouraged by both some squishes and some conservatives to hold a up-or-down vote, he is going to do just that.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:19 PM (YjDyJ)

137 Barack told Bone Head "You get nothing."

Bone Head seems to have accepted the offer.

Posted by: K-Bob at January 01, 2013 07:19 PM (q5qmo)

138 >>This thread is now about cute pandas.

Cute, tasty pandas.

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:19 PM (v7qJe)

139 The Republicans this and the Republicans that and the Republicans something else...
...because ....
its the damn Republicans, Republicans. .Republicans because it's only the Republicans.

Well, yes there are Democrats but they did what they are supposed to do and then they went home , so it's the Republicans this and the Republicans that , and the Republicans something else
...because...
Obama want this, and the Damn Republicans won't give it to him, because the Republicans
The Republicans..
The Republicans
The Republicans
The Republicans

Don't you understand its the Republicans!
Damn those Republicans

There isn't any reason for this but
The Republicans
and Boehner this and Boehner That and the Republicans something else...Don't you SEE?
It's the Republicans, I'm telling you, don't you listen?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 01, 2013 07:19 PM (LZroU)

140 132

Boehner, brilliant brilliant brilliant job on this one.

Makes me think he has what it takes to be speaker. The real test is on the debt ceiling limit and the sequestration.

That's where it's time to go for the throat of these assholes.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (xnYHG)
Please explain your reasoning in a long detailed thoroughly well thought out post. I would love to understand why you think they way you do.In the meantime i am going to the store to get a drum of kerosene for these torches i ordered.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (+OTLF)

141 @98: You want to see an empty threat, imagine obama demanding tax increases AGAIN in return for spending cuts, after taxes just went up on EVERYONE. He will be laughed out of the fucking room.

This set up perfectly for the GOP. Now can they just shut the fuck up and realize where the ball game is?
Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:10 PM (xnYHG)

1) The fact that Obama has not yet been laughed out of the room makes me skeptical that he ever will be, even if he decided to unilaterally change the US currency to oak leaves.

2) Keep on hoping that the GOP will be able to STFU and figure out the game...


Posted by: Lena Dunham at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (Y5I9o)

142 damn sock!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (Y5I9o)

143
Carolina, I agree 100%. Now Boehner can really put the fucking heat on when it comes to spending cut.

And he has the cache to tell Obama and the libs to go fuck themselves.

In other words, he can take a very popular political position and say cut spending or let it fucking burn...

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (xnYHG)

144 Panda Confit

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (v7qJe)

145 132

Boehner, brilliant brilliant brilliant job on this one.

Makes me think he has what it takes to be speaker. The real test is on the debt ceiling limit and the sequestration.

That's where it's time to go for the throat of these assholes.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (xnYHG)

____________________
Yep. Boner caved for the past 2 years on everything. But this time, he'll stand up to Obama and get those spending cuts we all want.

Hey by the way, if you're looking to buy some beach condos, I have a great one for sale in Kansas. Real cheap too. Give me a call and we'll talk.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (HDgX3)

146 teej, so sorry to hear that

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:20 PM (BBWjt)

147 Panda Marsala

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:21 PM (v7qJe)

148

hahaha @ flaming skull

Water is wet!! ZOMG!!

The outcome we expected to happen happened.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 01, 2013 07:21 PM (NLH1M)

149 126,

Got a link to the JN story? Drudge link not working.

Posted by: wyntre at January 01, 2013 07:22 PM (MrQiL)

150 Cedar Plank Panda

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:22 PM (v7qJe)

151 120,

Spending requires authorization.

Authorization occurs anew every year.

When cuts are made in the authorization process, then the cut either is approved by the Senate (and signed by POTUS) or no spending occurs at all.

All other spending cuts (as we've variously discussed) are bunk, because they merely change future nonbinding appropriating... In their rate of designated increase... Because the 72 budget act switched us to baseline (instead of base 0) budgeting once we were off the gold standard entirely.

I hope this clears up for you both what I said, and why all cuts are always illusory. Real cutting can only occur in the actual budgeting and/or spending authorization.

Changing future baseline projections isn't real.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 07:22 PM (6NDno)

152 This is ASPARTAME!!!

Posted by: leonidas at January 01, 2013 07:22 PM (jPVBi)

153 Teej, here's hoping your buddy comes through that OK.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:23 PM (yiIja)

154 Who cares! All this politic talk is making my head hurt. Kim and Kanye are having a BABY! OMG. YOLO girl.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (jucos)

155
Mr. Moo:

This was the tax portion of the deal. Now comes the spending portion.

That's why there are no real cuts in this thing.

Pubs have all the power to force some real fucking cuts on the table.

Obama asking for more taxes will be a joke. You fucking retards, we are hyper informed voters.

Joe blo will know only that his taxes went up and obama made it happen. His paycheck is less, and that difference is real and it will hurt, as well as the obamacare taxes coming through.

This was a perfect set up for us. And most house GOP can vote against it!!

FUCKING PERFECT!!!

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (xnYHG)

156 "...The Journal News has hired armed security guardsafter 'name shame' of armed citizens. Just read it on Drudge...."

Drudge? Who goes there anymore?

Drudge-free link to Rockland Co. Times (which has been making fun of the Journal News) [ here --> http://tinyurl.com/ay6hnzo ]

Posted by: K-Bob at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (q5qmo)

157 Hey, those are organic, grass-fed pandas.

Posted by: no good deed at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (mjR67)

158 So this is it? The spineless GOP is going to cave?

How tiresome and predictable.

Posted by: Dianna at January 01, 2013 07:25 PM (mKMj1)

159 Panda parfait.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:25 PM (jPVBi)

160 Let it burn.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at January 01, 2013 07:25 PM (kqGWM)

161 Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:18 PM (+OTLF)

No, I never watched Breaking Bad, but I hear it's good. If it is on demand, I will watch it when I'm done with Dexter. I used to always have FNC in the background. I shut it off. I only watch things on demand, no commercials, breaking news updates, etc.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:25 PM (z4WKX)

162 Joe blo will know only that his taxes went up and obama made it happen. His paycheck is less, and that difference is real and it will hurt, as well as the obamacare taxes coming through.

did I miss something? how are taxes going up on the "JoeBlow" contingent?

the payroll tax thing ending?

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at January 01, 2013 07:25 PM (J6kXj)

163 Panda pancakes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:26 PM (yiIja)

164 154
Who cares! All this politic talk is making my head hurt. Kim and Kanye are having a BABY! OMG. YOLO girl.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (jucos)

Well now that Kourtney and Kim will both have kids, someone needs to find a double ply paper bag Kong Kardashian so that she can have one too and complete the trifecta.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:26 PM (+OTLF)

165 Cave on your principles and we can relax.

Cave on your principles and we can relax.

Cave on your principles and we can relax.

Cave on your principles and we can relax.

Cave on your principles and we can relax.

Awwww yeah!

Now we can relax together...

Just us...and some ice cubes.

Yeah...

Now just fold easy on the debt ceiling limit and sequestration and we can spend all our time together.

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at January 01, 2013 07:26 PM (G9qZk)

166 To all you idiots defending Boehner, you're idiots! I've got an idea, how about people represent their constituents instead of playing party politics? I've got an idea, how about having the courage of your convictions? We have a spending problem, the vote is simple, NO, big fat NO. Let me the media go crazy and say whatever they want. You want to cave because you're afraid of what they'll say. LOL!!! Talk about a sucker. We can't spend what we don't have!!!! How bad do you think the pain will be when the debt is 30T instead of 16T and things collapse naturally? Seriously, you somehow buy that somehow magically, clap your heels and make a wish, that somehow down the road GOP will be in a position to do something different? Oh, please, sage one, do tell. You're a moron. There is no defense to this. GOP is as much, if not more, a part of the problem now. Whores in suits all of them.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:26 PM (HS3dy)

167 Once you accept that every politician's #1 priority is re-election, everything they do makes sense

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:26 PM (8sCoq)

168 Yes perscient, judging by all rational evidence, Boehner will surely decide that the debt ceiling is the hill to die on.

Surely you are right.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (6NDno)

169 #149 There's a link to the "Journal News armed guards" story in my sock.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (jPVBi)

170 Ineffectual speaker is ineffectual?

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Posted by: Palandine at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (g7D8V)

171 America deserves this. Especially the bastards who stayed home rather than voting for Romney.

Posted by: SamIam at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (S09w5)

172
Mr. Moo Moo:

Forcing spending cuts should be pretty simple to justify. Just about 75% of the voting public wants it to happen and a supermajority of OBAMA voters.


Boehner is standing on crazy solid ground to demand serious spending cuts OR ELSE.

This really could not have worked out more perfectly for the GOP. Fucking brilliant.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (xnYHG)

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (+OTLF)

174 Sounds like Boehner invoked the "drunk, New Years Eve, I've-got-to-have-sex-to-complete-the-evening bimbo gambit."

Look, just because he laid back and spread his legs, doesn't mean that you're invited to participate in the carnal festivities.

Happy New Year!

Posted by: Fritz at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (w3+gB)

175

Them bassturds is about as useful as a rope-handled shovel.

Posted by: Dang Redneck Farmer at January 01, 2013 07:28 PM (l1oyw)

176 can I have some of what prescient11 is having?!?!

pleez?

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at January 01, 2013 07:28 PM (J6kXj)

177 Long live the French Army!!!!!

Posted by: John Boehner at January 01, 2013 07:28 PM (rwioF)

178 171
America deserves this. Especially the bastards who stayed home rather than voting for Romney.

Posted by: SamIam at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (S09w5)

Yep.
bend over bitches.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:29 PM (+OTLF)

179

I'll gladly tax you Tuesday for a spending cut next year

.

Posted by: Wimpy Rino at January 01, 2013 07:29 PM (l1oyw)

180 Panda Moose. (A two-for-one and you can pick your teeth with the horns when you're done.)

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:30 PM (jPVBi)

181 Excuse me, but I think we all know that the problem is not merely our congresscritters, but our fellow citizens, who would vote anyone who really started cutting spending out in a heartbeat.

So...until we elect a bunch of samurai willing to commit sepuku in rebuke of their lords, we're doomed.

Fortunately, I have no children.

Posted by: Dianna at January 01, 2013 07:30 PM (mKMj1)

182 can I have some of what prescient11 is having?!?!

Only if you promise to vote Marco Rubio / Tom Cotton (whoever the hell HE is) in 2016.

Posted by: Palandine at January 01, 2013 07:30 PM (g7D8V)

183 who the hell hid the matches....light the God damned fire already......LETITBURN

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 01, 2013 07:30 PM (GVxQo)

184 >>Panda pancakes.

Call me.

Posted by: HornyFemaleDolphin at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (v7qJe)

185 This is ASPARTAME!!!


****

This is CILANTRO!!!!!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (piMMO)

186 OT


The Journal News of West Nyack, N.Y., has hired armed security guards to
defend its offices after receiving a torrent of phone calls and emails
responding to the paper's publication of thenames and addresses of area
residents with pistol permits.

http://is.gd/dk8ZA5

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (8sCoq)

187
Oh for fuck's sake, principles principles principles.

We love low taxes. We lost. Do we fuck all Americans and get ass raped by obama and the media to no end.

Or do we try to strike the best compromise we can and move forward.

I mean seriously, do you fucking people know how politics works???

WE LOST THE FUCKING ELECTION.

I believe 33% should be the absolute top rate. I believe our spending needs to be cut in a huge way.

Since we lost we can't get both. Shit, since we don't have the Senate we probably couldn't get both anyway.

This is a fucking beautiful deal, given the circumstances. If you can't see that then we are a hopeless party.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (xnYHG)

188 Forcing spending cuts should be pretty simple to
justify. Just about 75% of the voting public wants it to happen and a
supermajority of OBAMA voters.


Boehner is standing on crazy solid ground to demand serious spending cuts OR ELSE.

This really could not have worked out more perfectly for the GOP. Fucking brilliant.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:27 PM (xnYHG)

_______________________________
I'm not sure if you're just delusional or a troll.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (HDgX3)

189 166

some people think allowing everything to kick in with no deal (or proposed deals that the Senate/WH will never accept) is a bad idea period. it's not just "oh the media'll be mean about it"

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (8HhF2)

190 Joe blo will know only that his taxes went up and obama made it happen.

I have little faith that that will happen.

These Obama voters, they really are pretty stupid. They vote for Obama because he is "cool" and "I'd want to have a beer with him" and "Republicans suck", and then when they notice their paycheck is a little bit less, they will blame evil greedy corporations or the 1%ers or Republicans or something. Do you think they actually read their pay stub?

I once had a conversation with a liberal friend of mine, pre-Obama, who recently graduated college and had his first "real job". I asked him, now that you have a real job, and you are paying a real amount of taxes, that you still think taxes are too low? He told me that he never even noticed his taxes, all he looks at is his net pay. He has no idea how much he pays in taxes. He gets a refund every year and thinks it's free money. And he's a relatively bright guy, as far as liberals go too. Just imagine what the rest of the FSA is thinking.

That is your typical Obama voter right there.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (BBWjt)

191 OH THIS IS SO AWESOME, PASS THE FUCKING BILL WITH DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT.

Seriously guys, it could not play out any fucking better than this if we had tried to do it.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:11 PM (xnYHG)

_____________
Now I'm sure. Troll.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (HDgX3)

192 Guys Relax, Boehner is totally gonna be ready next time. He will be hard and firm in his opposition on the next crisis issue.

Stand Up!

Stand Up with Boehner!

Now Grab your ankles without bending your knees and breath out while pushing back.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (+OTLF)

193

I'll gladly blow you Tuesday for, well, for because it's Tuesday and that's what I do.


Posted by: Wimpy Boner at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (l1oyw)

194 Twice Baked Panda

Posted by: Tommy Chong at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (v7qJe)

195 actually, Joe Blow's taxes are going up

1) return to normal payroll taxes
2) Obamacare 1% surcharge... which is why Barry didn't want a deal... and we should take it

Not that I really think the GOP will have the balls, but the Debt Ceiling is the hill to fight on... shut the government down

Posted by: phreshone at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (0SXI6)

196 Makes me think he has what it takes to be speaker. The real test is on the debt ceiling limit and the sequestration.


****

Which places you squarely in the Lindsey Graham camp.

Is it as wet and warm in there as we all think?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (piMMO)

197 If they want a tax-and-spend welfare state, let them have it. BUT MAKE THE DEMS OWN IT because it will fail spectacularly.

Posted by: Kirk Turner at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (ODNxF)

198 176
can I have some of what prescient11 is having?!?!



pleez?

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at January 01, 2013 07:28 PM (J6kXj)

_______________
It's called troll-juice. And it can be delicious.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (HDgX3)

199 This thread is now about a baby who gets startled when mommy blows her nose.

http://tinyurl.com/4g49y82

Posted by: Warden at January 01, 2013 07:32 PM (HzhBE)

200 Where is my white flag?

Now lets all take part in the Serenity Prayer....

Posted by: John Boehner at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (rwioF)

201 Here's a serious question. What is everybody's line in the sand? How many more chances will you give the GOP before you're done? I'm already done, what I don't get is why so many are still hanging on.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (HS3dy)

202 172

Mr. Moo Moo:

Forcing spending cuts should be pretty simple to
justify. Just about 75% of the voting public wants it to happen and a
supermajority of OBAMA voters.



Posted by: prescient11

You're kidding, right? That's not what the voters elected. The voters want debt and let the good times roll, and apres moi, le deluge.

Posted by: Dianna at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (mKMj1)

203

Cuts in what??

Cuts in the two wars that were over years ago?

Cuts as in no more Stimulus that has been spent already?

Cuts, my ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (FC8Yl)

204 And you wanted me to vote GOP why exactly?

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (T/L2Z)

205 Panda paella.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (jPVBi)

206 OBAMA VOTERS DON"T PAY TAXES

I repeat

OBAMA VOTERS DON'T PAY TAXES

The people that do pay taxes are mostly Republicans and we are going to get fucked harder than we have ever been fucked before.

Anyone who thinks this is some kind of win is insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:34 PM (HDgX3)

207 Boehner has proven himself to be a very ineffectual Speaker. Gots. To. Go.

Posted by: CraigPoe at January 01, 2013 07:35 PM (BVkEs)

208 Moo Shu Panda

Posted by: Yan Can Cook! at January 01, 2013 07:35 PM (v7qJe)

209 Peking panda. Mmm. Crispy skin.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:36 PM (jPVBi)

210 201

you're treating this like the GOP has a free opportunity to make policy and they're deciding not to, as opposed to the GOP can try to make policy, except it's impossible.

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:36 PM (8HhF2)

211 Panda with bamboo shoots.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:36 PM (yiIja)

212 is boehner fwench?

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 01, 2013 07:36 PM (GVxQo)

213 @176

You don't want any of that shit!

It rots your brain!

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (zOP5o)

214 The people that do pay taxes are mostly Republicans

Not true.

Eight of the ten richest counties went for Obama.

Republicans are the ones who are most *affected* by taxes in their finances. The poor are not, they get EITC. The rich are not, they can afford almost any tax rate. It's the middle that is most affected by it.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (BBWjt)

215 Blackened Panda

Posted by: Paul Prudhomme at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (v7qJe)

216 201
Here's a serious question. What is everybody's line in the sand? How
many more chances will you give the GOP before you're done? I'm already
done, what I don't get is why so many are still hanging on.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:33 PM (HS3dy)

____________________
I called my rep and told the flunky answering the phone this was it for me. If this passes without any cuts to spending I'm done. And I am done. What's the point of voting/volunteering/donating for a party that in the end raises taxes and spending at the same rate as Democrats?
Political parties are a moot point now. This country is finished.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (HDgX3)

217 186 OT


The Journal News of West Nyack, N.Y., has hired armed security guards to
defend its offices after receiving a torrent of phone calls and emails
responding to the paper's publication of thenames and addresses of area
residents with pistol permits.

http://is.gd/dk8ZA5
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (8sCoq)


So I guess the next step is to publish the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the armed security guards.

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (sdi6R)

218
Gee someone here was saying that this was a done deal long ago, and there was no way this thing was written in 1 day on New Years Eve. Who was that?

Oh that's right, me.

Listen, these people do not represent you, they represent themselves.


More Champagne and Caviar to the House Floor! STAT!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (69Mdf)

219 Panda Pie

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (BBWjt)

220 Anyone who thinks this is some kind of win is insane.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

You are so right.

Posted by: Dianna at January 01, 2013 07:38 PM (mKMj1)

221 Pan-fried Panda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:38 PM (yiIja)

222 Brak's Panda Tartar and Halibut Gravy

Posted by: Brak at January 01, 2013 07:38 PM (v7qJe)

223 "Joe blo will know only that his taxes went up and obama made it happen."


Obama's Economy hit Blacks and Hispanics and Women and Homos and illegals and jews the hardest.

Yet they all ran out there like a bunch of panty wet bitches and voted for him screaming OMG BARRRY FUCK ME AGAIN LIKE IT WAS MY FIRST TIME!

You think they give a shit if he fucks them over again?
THey will find an excuse to say Oh taht Obamacock feels just right...mmm ...mmm...mmmm

After all No President could fix george bushes mess in only one term.

Be prepared for Obama to executive order right over House midgent Boehner's Head if he tries to stand in the way on anything.

Be more prepared for repeal of the term limits ammendment so that Obama can run for a third term cause NO president could fix george bushes mess in only TWO terms.

Also i am saying it now...Anyone who things our dept is going to hit 20 Trillion by the end of Obamas second term is on Mother Fucking Crack COcaine!

Its going to hit 25 trillion minimum. MARK MY WORDS!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:39 PM (+OTLF)

224 You can't possibly tell Obama that his budget is "dead on arrival" like Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill did to Ronald Reagan.

You can't possibly tell Obama that his budget is "dead on arrival" like Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill did to Ronald Reagan.

You can't possibly tell Obama that his budget is "dead on arrival" like Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill did to Ronald Reagan.

You can't possibly tell Obama that his budget is "dead on arrival" like Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill did to Ronald Reagan.

You can't possibly tell Obama that his budget is "dead on arrival" like Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill did to Ronald Reagan.

Awwwww yeah!!!

Drink up, Big Boy.

You deserve it.

Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at January 01, 2013 07:39 PM (G9qZk)

225 I'm seeing tweets that say the House may go with a voice vote. There will be no record vote. Only way to get enough votes "for sure"? After all of the dems vote for it, it would not take many GOP votes to pass ...... but those GOP would have big targets on their backs. hmmm

Posted by: carolina at January 01, 2013 07:39 PM (oyZpF)

226 Panda pudding cups and Panda Pudding Singles®.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:39 PM (jPVBi)

227 215
Blackened Panda

----

Why ya got to go all racist on Michelle?


Posted by: CraigPoe at January 01, 2013 07:40 PM (BVkEs)

228 can I have some of what prescient11 is having?!?!

I want some too! Please???

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 07:40 PM (z4WKX)

229
I'm seeing tweets that say the House may go with a voice vote. There will be no record vote.

Posted by: carolina





Invertebrates.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 01, 2013 07:41 PM (kdS6q)

230 Fiscal cliff deal includes special tax breaks for Hollywood.

http://tinyurl.com/avcsyf2

Boehner and McConnell. It's like they do opposite of everything the should do. Truly the solution is to keep reelecting these guys.

Posted by: Warden at January 01, 2013 07:41 PM (HzhBE)

231 214
The people that do pay taxes are mostly Republicans

Not true.

Eight of the ten richest counties went for Obama.

Republicans
are the ones who are most *affected* by taxes in their finances. The
poor are not, they get EITC. The rich are not, they can afford almost
any tax rate. It's the middle that is most affected by it.


Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (BBWjt)

____________________I disagree. The ultra rich voted Obama. Jay-Z, Hollywood, Wall St CEOs. That's where they live in those 10 counties. The guy making $400K who owns a couple of restaurants is a Republican. The doctor making $300K a year is a Republican. The plumbing company owner who has 20 employees, is a Republican. These are the people that pay the bulk of taxes.

The most owned vehicle of millionaires is an F-150. Those aren't Democrats.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:41 PM (HDgX3)

232 Bring the pain. The more the better.

Posted by: some dope at January 01, 2013 07:41 PM (+kznc)

233 AND, there is an interesting article out there about Reid being such a hardass that McConnell called Biden. Good job McConnell!

Posted by: carolina at January 01, 2013 07:42 PM (oyZpF)

234 Good Rose Bowl game going on. Will see if Stanford's defense has anything left for the fourth quarter.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 01, 2013 07:42 PM (GZitp)

235 Panda puree. For the children.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:42 PM (yiIja)

236 Yeah I can't exactly agree with prescient11's analysis.

For God's sake, these are the same people who thought the election was about the most important issue of the time, lady parts, and not about trivial matters like the economy. Does anyone really think that they will connect their lower paycheck to Obama?

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:43 PM (BBWjt)

237 The article about obnoxious Reid is at nationaljournal.com

Posted by: carolina at January 01, 2013 07:43 PM (oyZpF)

238 can I have some of what prescient11 is having?!?!

Puffin' on panda, dude. Better than tokin' on tiger.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:43 PM (jPVBi)

239 I was going to ask this question earlier this morning and didn't. Is it wrong to have a chicken omelette? Had one this morning with gouda cheese, onion, and olive and it was very good.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:44 PM (jucos)

240 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 07:41 PM (HDgX3)

We agree - it's the middle who are most affected by the tax rates in terms of their personal finances.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:44 PM (BBWjt)

241 Just tuned to C-Span. Taking live calls.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:44 PM (piMMO)

242 You run out of panda, Truck Monkey?

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:45 PM (jPVBi)

243 if they go for a voice vote to cover their rino spendy spend asses, i will fedex all the dog shit in the neighborhood to the gop on a weekly basis from now on.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:45 PM (+OTLF)

244 prescient is a troll

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 8th day of Christmas at January 01, 2013 07:45 PM (GVxQo)

245 >So I guess the next step is to publish the names, addresses, and phone numbers of the armed security guards.

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2013 07:37 PM (sdi6R)


if Journal-News is hiring locally, they probably already did

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:45 PM (8sCoq)

246 meh enough of this shit.

fuck them all.



Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 07:46 PM (+OTLF)

247 Obama "independents" on Cspan now.

Holy cow.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:46 PM (piMMO)

248 Moo moo keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Romney got crushed by women, single women, Asian voters , Hispanics...the list goes on. Mostly because the message was poorly delivered...and vaginas apparently. Getting the blame for an 800 point Dow drop, being the subject of 5 more Rose Garden speeches and scores of news stories...and still end up voting for what would likely be a worse deal is not a win.

Posted by: The Diddy at January 01, 2013 07:46 PM (FcG0+)

249 151 120, Spending requires authorization.
Authorization occurs anew every year...


If the Congress failed to pass a budget or a CR, there would be a government shutdown. Also, if you want politicians to stop taking advantage of baseline budgeting, you are going to have to eliminate baseline budgeting. I think there was a real chance of that happening if Romney had won the election but it is not going to happen anytime in the next four years.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:46 PM (YjDyJ)

250 You run out of panda, Truck Monkey?
Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:45 PM (jPVBi)
--------------------------------------------------------
Sadly yes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:47 PM (jucos)

251 >Obama "independents" on Cspan now.


no such thing

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:47 PM (8sCoq)

252 I'm getting hungry for panda.

So let's discuss what kind of gun is best for hunting panda.

Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2013 07:47 PM (sdi6R)

253 although I am officially 'unaffiliated'

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:47 PM (8sCoq)

254 if they go for a voice vote to cover their rino spendy spend asses, i will fedex all the dog shit in the neighborhood to the gop on a weekly basis from now on.


****

We need a serious mail-in campaign of some sort. I'm not sure dogshit is it, however.

How about mirrors. As in, how can you look at yourself in one? As in, take a good long look at yourself.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:48 PM (piMMO)

255 NDH, yeah, I cannot stand to listen to C-Span callers
they are either Obama drones or outright idiots (or both)

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:48 PM (BBWjt)

256 I'm getting hungry for panda.

So let's discuss what kind of gun is best for hunting panda.
Posted by: rickl at January 01, 2013 07:47 PM (sdi6R)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Longbow

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:48 PM (jucos)

257 most likely both, actually

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:48 PM (BBWjt)

258 The reach-around was a nice gesture, but the jalapeno hand lotion was a bit unfortunate.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 07:48 PM (EWsrI)

259 Panda Flambe

Posted by: garrett at January 01, 2013 07:49 PM (v7qJe)

260 @210, what are you talking about? They don't have to create policy, they just have to vote no. What's the point of having a system of checks and balances if the minority side always succumbs to the will of the majority? This is exactly what's not supposed to happen. The whole point of our system is to protect the minority. The President is in charge of the EXECUTIVE branch, his job is to execute the will of Congress. GOP doesn't need absolute control and by design was never meant to have it. They are simply supposed to vote NO. Constituents say NO, vote NO. Not complicated.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:49 PM (HS3dy)

261 Panda Au Gratin

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:50 PM (BBWjt)

262 Truck Monkey, that is so wrong, very very wrong. I don't know why but it just is. That is why I won't eat chicken fried rice. Also, won't eat beef with a milk gravy.

Posted by: Daily Dish at January 01, 2013 07:50 PM (+b3dK)

263 At the intersecting sets of A and B you will find the class Idiot Obama voters. The sets are almost a perfect overlap.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:51 PM (jucos)

264 Sadly, yes.
Does that make you a Sad Panda?

Posted by: andycanuck at January 01, 2013 07:51 PM (jPVBi)

265 Panda Lasagna, with a side of Steamed Panda, and for dessert, Panda Sorbet

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:51 PM (BBWjt)

266 NDH, yeah, I cannot stand to listen to C-Span callers
they are either Obama drones or outright idiots (or both)

****

I always get the feeling the Republican line is being Astroturfed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:51 PM (piMMO)

267 and don't forget the Panda Omelets for breakfast (100% organic!)

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:52 PM (BBWjt)

268 What would science cat have to say about all of this?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:52 PM (piMMO)

269 i can't find any panda recipes on google

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 01, 2013 07:52 PM (8sCoq)

270 Report: Amendment Effort Dead, House Will Pass Senate Bill As Is

And there goes the Republican House in 2014.

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 07:52 PM (TJQ3a)

271 Tonight's secret ingredient... PANDA!!!

Posted by: the chairman at January 01, 2013 07:52 PM (jPVBi)

272 I always get the feeling the Republican line is being Astroturfed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:51 PM (piMMO)

More like Mobyed.

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (BBWjt)

273 Chicken fried Panda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (yiIja)

274 @JamieDupree: CLIFF PARTY: House Democrats brought in dozens of pizzas to feed their members tonight http://twitpic.com/brnhna

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (piMMO)

275 Panda bisque.
Panda pate.

Posted by: Putter at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (JHWGg)

276 True. I have been feeling bad about it all day. Chicken Omelette just seemed...... wrong.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (jucos)

277 260

and they have voted no, pretty unanimously, against Obama in the past four years

it's just that when the end result will be all taxes go up/Obama gets to play mr. heroic tax-cutter not dealing doesn't make a ton of sense

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:53 PM (8HhF2)

278
The comments here disturb me.Apparently a large number of GOPers don't understand the concept of Republicanism. If the minority succumbs to the will of the majority our Constitution is truly dead.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (HS3dy)

279 Pink-slip mail-in campaign?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (piMMO)

280 Chicken Omelette just seemed...... wrong.

That's why you should have a Panda Omelette instead, with a side of Clubbed Baby Seal

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (BBWjt)

281 Panda Pizza

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (yiIja)

282 Let it Burn. No other way this will happen. 60 billion brought in, 1.3 trillion in debt per year, will most likely accelerate as people in the real world who create jobs are going to go, "what's the point?"

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (3Kxux)

283
Good job House;
The budget deal passed by the U.S.
Senate today would raise taxes on 77.1 percent of U.S.
households, mostly because of the expiration of a payroll tax
cut, ....
More than 80 percent of households with incomes between
$50,000 and $200,000 would pay higher taxes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (69Mdf)

284 Panda again?!!


We had panda yesterday and the day before!

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (EWsrI)

285 I would have voted to deport Boehner.

Posted by: Christine Angle Paladino at January 01, 2013 07:55 PM (r2PLg)

286 And crying John has let Obama go 2 years without a budget.

It's four years, but who's counting. Then it will be 5 years, 6, 7 and 8. This president has no intention of working to a budget, ever.

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 07:56 PM (TJQ3a)

287
"and they have voted no, pretty unanimously, against Obama in the past four years"
What are you talking about? OMG!!! GOP has caved into every vote that mattered. Bailouts, every debt ceiling increase, every budget, even stuff like, what was it called, SOPA, that defense bill that allow for internment of American citizens without due process.
GOP has not voted against Obama at all, they've been handing it all to him on a silver platter since 2010.

Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2013 07:56 PM (HS3dy)

288 Panda Casserole.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 07:56 PM (yiIja)

289 That's why you should have a Panda Omelette instead, with a side of Clubbed Baby Seal
Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:54 PM (BBWjt)
----------------------------------------------------------
Mmmmm I'm hungry. The drained blood of the baby seal is delicious as a shooter. Straight, no chaser.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 07:56 PM (jucos)

290 283

mentioned it but both parties seem not to care about that compared to income taxes, not sure why

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 07:57 PM (8HhF2)

291 Found this on Bing.

I suggest we start a mail-in campaign immediately.

http://kickthemallout.com/images/Misc/PinkSlip.jpg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 07:58 PM (piMMO)

292 Panda recipes? With fur or without?

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 07:58 PM (TJQ3a)

293 We had panda yesterday and the day before!

Lucky bastard. I went to the store yesterday and they were all out of panda. Had to settle for this stupid prime rib instead. What's so 'prime' about it? It's not like it's panda!

Posted by: chemjeff-husker at January 01, 2013 07:58 PM (BBWjt)

294 House GOP members were given an opportunity to vote to amend the bill and a majority of them refused. If they wanted different results they should have voted for a different outcome.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:58 PM (YjDyJ)

295 Republicans need New leadership Today!!!

McConell (Mr.Turtleface) and Mr.Orange must GO!!

Posted by: kim at January 01, 2013 07:59 PM (fLALM)

296 @robertcostaNRO Rules is moving right now on bringing Senate deal to floor. It's done. Boehner and Rules wouldn't be moving if the votes weren't there.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 07:59 PM (YjDyJ)

297 Anyone else excited for Kim and Kanye? I wonder what they are going to name it? OMG.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 08:00 PM (jucos)

298 287

Obamacare
Stimulus
Cap-and-trade
any new mini-stimulus measures Obama may've tried in the past two years

true they didn't wax Ron Paul paranoid about security measures or default on the debt, i'll give you that

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 08:00 PM (8HhF2)

299 Bypass the GOP. Vote West in 2016. Tell them now it's what you're gonna do.

Form the 3rd party AFTER he's elected.

Don't dilute it by declaring some stupid "ticket."

It's not "West/Somebody 2016!" Just tell the stupid GOP we're voting West.

Screw all the usual Political Calculations. I love ya 'Zo, but it's not identity politics we're involved in anymore: it's war. We're on a war footing now, thanks to the all-and-every day Stalinism coming from the Dem/Media Complex. So we need to do something based on a wartime calculus.

When the news comes out about Rubio going to Iowa, tell them we're voting West.

When they float another Pawlenty bid, tell them we're voting West.

If they ask for money for the GOP, tell them we're voting West.

If they want to get on board, fine. Otherwise, ignore them. Focus on the state elections and vote West.

Posted by: K-Bob at January 01, 2013 08:00 PM (q5qmo)

300 What was 2010 for?

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 08:01 PM (EWsrI)

301 Chicken Omelette just seemed...... wrong.

Well, a chicken and egg menu item called Mother and Child Reunion inspired the Paul Simon song of the same name. So there's that.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 01, 2013 08:01 PM (nZvGM)

302 and yeah i know about those first two. point is just it's been united opposition.

it's not so much i think the GOP leadership is just swell as i'm not down with the pointless inchoate rage that leads to...what exactly

Posted by: JDP at January 01, 2013 08:01 PM (8HhF2)

303 Panda parfait.

Posted by: Putter at January 01, 2013 08:02 PM (JHWGg)

304 GOP members were given an opportunity to vote to amend the bill and a majority of them refused. If they wanted different results they should have voted for a different outcome.

Yep, they're tired of Washington and want to go home in 2014. It's just that they should have made that plain before November 6.

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 08:02 PM (TJQ3a)

305
"What's the point of voting/volunteering/donating for a party that in the end raises taxes and spending at the same rate as Democrats?
Political parties are a moot point now. This country is finished"



Welcome to the club. I've been in since 2007.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 01, 2013 08:02 PM (1Y+hH)

306 Chicken Omelette just seemed...... wrong.

Well, a chicken and egg menu item called Mother and Child Reunion inspired the Paul Simon song of the same name. So there's that.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 01, 2013 08:01 PM (nZvGM)
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I wonder what Kate Uptons mother looks like. I wouldn't mind having that reunion.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 01, 2013 08:02 PM (jucos)

307
Cashew Panda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 01, 2013 08:04 PM (yiIja)

308 Curried Panda.

Posted by: Putter at January 01, 2013 08:04 PM (JHWGg)

309 Democrats constantly find or invent new procedures to get around a situation they don't like. Why can't GOP do the same?

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 08:05 PM (TJQ3a)

310 I wonder what Kate Uptons mother looks like. I wouldn't mind having that reunion.

****

http://interracialscentral.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/uptons.jpg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 08:05 PM (piMMO)

311 There's gotta be a way to make this whole thing more dumberer. Don't let us down Feral Government.

Posted by: forest at January 01, 2013 08:07 PM (L7wZc)

312 The problem with some GOP members of the House is that they will say they need to do something without deciding how to accomplish their goal. Then they wonder why events unfold the way they do.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 08:09 PM (YjDyJ)

313 Panda-tuna surprise.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 08:09 PM (EWsrI)

314 There is no win here for the GOP. They need to just pass the Senate bill and live to fight another day. The markets and press will DESTROY them if they don't and they'll end up caving anyway.

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There is nothing left to say to comments like these other than lol.

Posted by: Rich at January 01, 2013 08:10 PM (Aq251)

315 Panda-Colada

Posted by: K-Bob at January 01, 2013 08:11 PM (q5qmo)

316 I am starting to have a hard time what side is what because of it is such a contrived trap this is.

Go over the cliff and raise taxes on everyone. Which is what "let it burn" crowd and also what the hard core Democrats want.The communist wing of the democratic party who want not simple removal of the Bush tax cuts for any one over 250K but increase on that base line.

. . Vs. Take the mess on the table and get 99% of the rates permanent and increase spending that one has to print to pay for. But that is part of the systematic problem in Congress that will not be solved here. When they name a post office it costs 4 billion dollars. But by going with the crap sandwich remove the planned blame part of the trap by agreeing to what the democrats say in public now.

One can not get blame if the media says the deal is done but will not say what deal it is, (there was a moment when the 4 Trillion bill came up and the CNN host quickly changed subjects, don't want that info out) but if no deal is done it is nothing but blame as the spineless can not articulate how bad the crap deal is so you get blame for not eating the crap.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at January 01, 2013 08:12 PM (Ea64Y)

317 Panda toe cookies.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 08:12 PM (EWsrI)

318
Demonstrating again that the entire thing was fixed and theater. The GOP leadership wasn't seriously negotiating against the Democrats' positions, they were playing a game to provide them possible coverage against backlashfrom the actualfiscal hawks in the base.


Of course, they failed at that as well, but that's just because they're incompetent as well as corrupt.

Posted by: MlR at January 01, 2013 08:15 PM (vR2l5)

319
Boy, all those recipes were delicious! Too bad we got carried away and ate the last panda.

Wait, wha --

Panda blood could hold the secret to the next generation of antibiotics

IO9


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 01, 2013 08:16 PM (kdS6q)

320


Who was it that signed this horrible fiscal cliff bill intolaw in the first place?


Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 01, 2013 08:17 PM (1Y+hH)

321 Of course, they failed at that as well, but that's just because they're incompetent as well as corrupt.
Posted by: MlR at January 01, 2013 08:15 PM (vR2l5)

You are correct! they all suck.

Posted by: CarolT at January 01, 2013 08:19 PM (z4WKX)

322 The difference between John Boehner and my two dogs?

My dogs just sold out for a taste of pork, sauerkraut and mashed potatoes off of my dinner plate. Boehner and the rest of the Repubs don't need the pork, sauerkraut or taters.

They backed themselves into this corner months (years?) ago. Too bad we all have to pay the price.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 01, 2013 08:20 PM (GrtrJ)

323
It hasn't passed yet right? I want to knowsince I'm making $750k off it.


Sigh...I would have preferred a different way...

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 01, 2013 08:21 PM (1Y+hH)

324 It's the best we could do. We'll get 'em next time.

Posted by: John Boehner at January 01, 2013 08:22 PM (Lm28X)

325 320 Who was it that signed this horrible fiscal cliff bill into law in the first place?

What 'fiscal cliff' bill?

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 08:22 PM (YjDyJ)

326 It's almost laughable how many people in this thread are posting honest-to-god "live to fight another day" posts. Fucking blind, idiots. 1. There is no more time for another day. 2. When has this group shown any inclination to actually fight? 3. How many times have we said this? LIke, at which point will it actually be ok to fight?

Posted by: Rich at January 01, 2013 08:23 PM (Aq251)

327 Doesn't Brad Pitt have a kid named Panda?

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2013 08:23 PM (EWsrI)

328 Panda-Colada

With the panda holding the little parasol?

Posted by: Decaf at January 01, 2013 08:24 PM (TJQ3a)

329 From Major Garrett on Twitter:

Those watching House vote very closely (at both ends of Penn. Ave.) expect 55-65 House GOP votes. Pelosi provides just enough of the rest.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 08:26 PM (piMMO)

330 318 Demonstrating again that the entire thing was fixed and theater. The GOP leadership wasn't seriously negotiating against the Democrats' positions, they were playing a game to provide them possible coverage against backlashfrom the actualfiscal hawks in the base.

Wrong. Members were given a choice between amending the bill and an up-or-down vote and there was a lack of consensus on a possible amendment. They needed 218 votes to amend the bill and they were short.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 08:27 PM (YjDyJ)

331 I see everyone is at odds over what to do.

I flat-out don't care. Any way we go, we are going to get demonized. Obama won't compromise. Boehner won't be allowed to by our side.

Taxes will go up on my kids. This will make things harder for them.

So, like irongrampa, I am going to avoid the arguing, since none of it does any good.

I will check in in a couple of days.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 01, 2013 08:30 PM (GoIUi)

332 "Third parties have never been successful in this country ...." (quoting no one in particular, just a sentiment I see a lot)

We don't need a third party in this country, we need a *second* party.

Posted by: Moron Labe! at January 01, 2013 08:30 PM (j8JLb)

333
Fuck it all. Let it burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at January 01, 2013 08:32 PM (ZETiK)

334 Panda Fritters.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 01, 2013 08:36 PM (QupBk)

335 Let It Burn....make everyone feel the pain.

Well, those of us who actually work and pay taxes.

Maybe we can get some real "Change" then...

Sheesh...I'm thinking I'll just find a way to get laid off and collect unemployment. Then apply for food stamps. And public housing. And my free phone. And Medicaid.

Posted by: TiredOfTheirCrap at January 01, 2013 08:38 PM (PIbwI)

336 Couldn't they at least have tried to eliminate some of the lard such as the wind power tax subsidies? I'm so tired of these people and their phony deals that don't even begin to address any meaningful cuts in spending..

Posted by: javapoppa at January 01, 2013 08:39 PM (CPBLQ)

337
"Fuck it all. Let it burn."

That pretty much says it all. A lot of people have wasted a ton of time and heartache worrying about this.
We lost this battle back in November.
But don't worry. It gets worse.
Wait until the AWB and the UN small arms treaty get passed.
Wait until the Senate kills the filibuster. And please don't tell me that the Dems need to worry about payback when the Repubs take back the Senate, because they're just not worried.
Then things will get really fun.

Posted by: RayJ at January 01, 2013 08:40 PM (LYiL5)

338 I'm just amazed that there are conservatives that thought we were going to get what we wanted after losing the last election. That sort of defeats the purpose of elections doesn't it? Who are these mystical Republican leaders that can pass all of this conservative legislation and still lose elections?

It was a very clear choice, and Americans chose raising taxes on the rich. I'm not sure how raising taxes on the every single American somehow rights that wrong. And as someone who earns over $400k a year, this is still a big tax cut for me as well. I actually think it's remarkable that despite all the victories Democrats have had, about 98% of the Bush tax cuts have stayed intact.

Are Republicans not supposed to push for any tax relief unless it's 100% of the Bush tax cuts?

I understand being mad that we had to take this deal, but voting against this is voting against an ENORMOUS tax cut. Are we really going to go apeshit over that?






Posted by: Jeepers at January 01, 2013 08:44 PM (XDRsa)

339 But why does the House have no back-bone? The House passes a bill, the SEnate says "fuck you" and doesn't take the bill up.

However, the Senate passes a bill, and the House jumps at a chance to vote on it. Why can't Boehner, for one time, show a spine and say "we passed the bill, we're going home, have a vote." But, no...only Harry Reid is allowed to do that shit.

Posted by: Rich at January 01, 2013 08:44 PM (Aq251)

340 Fucking California R Rep Drierer is speaking and this cocksucking apologist sounds like a mother fucking democrat to me.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 08:47 PM (+OTLF)

341 "Why Harry Reid Was Sidelined for Joe Biden"- http://bit.ly/10KTG18

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 08:47 PM (YjDyJ)

342 OK, so let me get this straight - at a time when we're running annual deficits north of $1T, the allegedly "conservative" and "right-of-center" opposition to Smokey McChoomPrompter cannot muster enough votes to cut, wait for it, $30B from the budget - in unspecified cuts, mind you - or less than 3% of the current account deficit, and add it to a must-pass bill that includes a large tax increase.

Because it's like they're playing 5-dimensional chess while Barky, Reid and Pelosi are UFC kicking them in the stones. And they'll get really tough when the next CONgress convenes.

But right, we're supposed to keep voting for the GOP because otherwise the terrorists win, or something.

LIB.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 08:48 PM (V20sy)

343 I understand being mad that we had to take this deal, but voting against this is voting against an ENORMOUS tax cut. Are we really going to go apeshit over that?

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If you ever plan on winning another election, sometimes you have to do things like stand on some sort of fucking principle. At the very least, we can say one of our principles is to not divide people into classes, including by wealth. When we do shit like this, we saying, basically, that Americans who earn more are not "paying their fair share."

Posted by: Rich at January 01, 2013 08:49 PM (Aq251)

344 342 OK, so let me get this straight - at a time when we're running annual
deficits north of $1T, the allegedly "conservative" and
"right-of-center" opposition to Smokey McChoomPrompter cannot muster
enough votes to cut, wait for it, $30B from the budget...


One of the primary problems the House Rs have is that everyone wants to do their own thing and that is what helped to sink the amendment here.


Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 08:58 PM (YjDyJ)

345 I predict a large slew of marriages involving single men who make between 400k and 450k.

Posted by: Matt at January 01, 2013 08:59 PM (x0/jv)

346 I hate these people. The House R's are a disgrace. So we get tax increases and no spending cuts. Boehner needs to go. Another classic cave. I'm so disgusted right now I could spit.

Posted by: Metalgod at January 01, 2013 09:03 PM (YgIJ8)

347 One of the primary problems the House Rs have is that everyone wants to
do their own thing and that is what helped to sink the amendment here.


Leadership is supposed to fix that. But in addition to stones, tactical smarts, a governing philosophy, a track record and the like, the GOP is rather lacking in that category as well.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:03 PM (V20sy)

348 But why does the House have no back-bone? The House passes a bill, the SEnate says "fuck you" and doesn't take the bill up.

However, the Senate passes a bill, and the House jumps at a chance to vote on it. Why can't Boehner, for one time, show a spine and say "we passed the bill, we're going home, have a vote." But, no...only Harry Reid is allowed to do that shit.

Yep, I'm so sick of reading headlines where our side caves in to Democrat demands. Can't wait for them to cave on the debt ceiling.

Posted by: Metalgod at January 01, 2013 09:05 PM (YgIJ8)

349 Next time we have the post election circular firing squad among the GOP elite and washington beltway insiders and lawmakers, can we please for fuck sake give them real bullets.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 01, 2013 09:05 PM (+OTLF)

350 Darrell Issa, of whom I am usually a fan, is fucking with us on Twitter bragging about how, in trying to curb spending, they blocked the Congressional pay raise.

The pay raise was a pittance which means they pushed it through in principle, making it even more vile at this time in history.

Killing it means nothing and if he thinks we are so fucking easy as to fall for an emotional ploy such as that, he is a fool.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 01, 2013 09:09 PM (piMMO)

351 I am so sock of the lack of fight in the House R's. Say what you want about the dems but at least they pull out all the stops to push their agenda through.

Posted by: Metalgod at January 01, 2013 09:11 PM (YgIJ8)

352 If you ever plan on winning another election,
sometimes you have to do things like stand on some sort of fucking
principle. At the very least, we can say one of our principles is to not
divide people into classes, including by wealth. When we do shit like
this, we saying, basically, that Americans who earn more are not "paying
their fair share."

Posted by: Rich

The problem is, sitting on our hands means a bigger tax increase, even for the rich. Taxes just went up substantially today. This is cutting them.

How is it "principled" to make all Americans pay substantially more in taxes if arguably the strongest plank on the conservative platform is lower taxes?

If the goal is to show Americans how awful liberalism is, why stop there? Should the GOP also get behind real Single Payer Health Care? 75% marginal tax rates? Ban all offshore drilling?

Also, say Republicans did walk away. Obviously, the Bush tax cuts aren't going to be renewed by Obama and Reid. So taxes shoot up, Americans are pissed, and the House refuses to pass any tax relief unless it also lowers taxes for Donald Trump? How do you think that's going to sell? Obama on the side of middle class taxpayers and House Republicans not budging unless billionaires get a tax break too?

We can argue all day how intellectually dishonest that is, but you don't need to be a political genius to know that's a losing hand for us.

Posted by: Jeepers at January 01, 2013 09:12 PM (XDRsa)

353 Is Quayle going to allow Ray Layhood to take over the chair for the vote?

Posted by: Paul8148 at January 01, 2013 09:15 PM (UwB9x)

354 I forget... what's the purpose of the GOP again? "Live to fight another day"? What a joke. OK, so the GOP wants to be Democrat Socialists Lite? Why would I want a fake, when I can have the real thing?! NOW is the time to WHOLESALE abandon the GOP, even if you can't or don't want to find another party, per se, to align with. It's never the right time just prior to an election, but just after, and just after this abysmal spineless blathering of late by these idiots, I am going to not be affiliated with the GOP-dorks anymore. Fuck 'em all. Long Live the Army of Free Shit and their/out glorious God-kind, Barack I. See what I did there? I completely cut out the GOP middle-man.

Posted by: Burn the GOP at January 01, 2013 09:16 PM (BOgsc)

355 Boehner is voting yes??????

He is such a wuss...

Posted by: Caustic at January 01, 2013 09:16 PM (/b8+5)

356 Drier know interviewing for a job at MSNBC

Posted by: Paul8148 at January 01, 2013 09:17 PM (UwB9x)

357 How is it "principled" to make all Americans pay substantially more in
taxes if arguably the strongest plank on the conservative platform is
lower taxes?


It is principled to expect the people to pay for the government they voted for.

I'm fucking sick and tired about "low taxes" being the hill on which the non-Democrats chose to die, while the country lurches ever-leftward as more-and-more people come to expect ever-more free shit from Uncle Sugar.

The Feds currently take-in something like 15% of GDP in taxes, which is, by the standards of the last 30-40 years, already pretty freaking low. Meanwhile, government is something like 42% of the economy right now. What precisely is "conservative" about borrowing 43-cents on every dollar of spending at this point?

Going over the damn cliff is what needed to happen - at least then there was the chance, albeit small, that some actual cuts would happen. What this farce has told us is that CONgress will never, ever, voluntarily cut spending. Ever. Period.

LIB.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:17 PM (V20sy)

358 So America has opted not to be responsible. What a surprise. Things will burn, and when it does the people will turn and give absolute power to our socialist friends to "fix it!" Obama boot stompy on our faces, forever, as Orwell would put it.

There's no rebuilding in that world.

Posted by: Aaron at January 01, 2013 09:20 PM (Tlix5)

359 Posted by: Rich at January 01, 2013 08:49 PM (Aq251)

The top 1 to 5% support the entire debacle.

They pay waaaay more waaaay more than "their fair share" and they get derision in the US for being successful? Something is seriously wrong.

Posted by: Caustic at January 01, 2013 09:22 PM (/b8+5)

360 actually, we looked better a little more to starboard...

Posted by: deck chairs on the Titanic at January 01, 2013 09:27 PM (EZl54)

361 Just listening to ESPN radio . Commercial break had 6 spots - of these, 5 were some branch of the FED.GOV (HHS, Treasury, Energy, Interior, HHS again) sponsoring their propaganda message of the day.

So evidently, in spite of our enormous current-account deficit we can find the money for the FED.GOV to tie-up 80% of the radio ads on "low-information-voter" sports radio, but the House GOP can't find $30B to cut from that same current account.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:27 PM (V20sy)

362 347 Leadership is supposed to fix that. But in addition to stones, tactical
smarts, a governing philosophy, a track record and the like, the GOP is
rather lacking in that category as well.


In spite of some allegations to the contrary, Boehner generally believes that GOP members should be the decision-makers. Sometimes that leads to better legislation and other times it makes everything worse.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 09:29 PM (YjDyJ)

363 In spite of some allegations to the contrary, Boehner generally believes that GOP members should be the decision-makers.

How does that jive with all the back-room negotiating he did with Choomy during pretty much the entire month of December?

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:32 PM (V20sy)

364 "Why the House Couldn’t Amend the Deal"- http://bit.ly/VyJXo8

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 09:36 PM (YjDyJ)

365 Steve Israel? was just on CNN blaming everything on right wing extremists and being thankful that the incoming congress has fewer of those.

Posted by: Caustic at January 01, 2013 09:36 PM (/b8+5)

366
Seems to me the Rs lost the last election because no one trusts them anymore.

The pork laden shit in this deal was massively supported by those R freedom fighters that also voted for warrantless wiretaps. Fuck'em.

Posted by: Invictus at January 01, 2013 09:38 PM (OQpzc)

367 363 How does that jive with all the back-room negotiating he did with Choomy during pretty much the entire month of December?

He proposed Plan B when it became clear that a large number of Rs (including highly influential members) opposed his attempt at a grand bargain.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 09:41 PM (YjDyJ)

368 357
It is principled to expect the people to pay for the government they voted for.

I'm
fucking sick and tired about "low taxes" being the hill on which the
non-Democrats chose to die, while the country lurches ever-leftward as
more-and-more people come to expect ever-more free shit from Uncle
Sugar.

The Feds currently take-in something like 15% of GDP in
taxes, which is, by the standards of the last 30-40 years, already
pretty freaking low. Meanwhile, government is something like 42% of the
economy right now. What precisely is "conservative" about borrowing
43-cents on every dollar of spending at this point?

Going over
the damn cliff is what needed to happen - at least then there was the
chance, albeit small, that some actual cuts would happen. What this
farce has told us is that CONgress will never, ever, voluntarily cut
spending. Ever. Period.

LIB.


Posted by: DocJ

The problem is, when you look at the bluest most Democrat states, they also usually have the highest taxes. They have to "pay" for their government (since states can't print money) yet their electorate doesn't seem to get any more conservative.

What your espousing is basically the liberal viewpoint that we should match taxes to our spending to cut the deficit, whereas the conservative view is we need to lower spending to match our tax base.

If your view is LIB, that's going to happen regardless of the tax rates since we're talking about a pittance compared to our deficits. That won't be addressed until there's a run on the dollar, no way a closely divided nation is going to allow the GOP to cut trillions from Medicare and Social Security, we can't even cut funding to PBS.

Posted by: Jeepers at January 01, 2013 09:42 PM (XDRsa)

369 @367 I really don't see what that has to do with anything you've said about Boner letting his members be the decision makers. And it really doesn't matter.

Johnny Orange was dealt a bad hand (largely of his own dealing, it must be said) and played it about as badly as it could be played. And now, we get to see the American Sheeple get the government they deserve, but not nearly has "good-and-hard" as they deserve it. Alas.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:46 PM (V20sy)

370
One way to make blue staters pay more attention to state taxes is to make them non-deductable. Same with property taxes.

Posted by: Invictus at January 01, 2013 09:46 PM (OQpzc)

371
The problem is this. The tax discussion is a moot point. We've spent the money already. All the democrats that want big spending got it - and it failed miserably.
There isn't enough tax increases that can pay for what we've already spent (not to mention what we will spend). That leaves 2 choices, 1 of which we tried during the election. Tell the American people this is not sustainable - and vote likewise or, if that doesn't work (and it didn't), give the voter what they want with the only form of education that works - reality.
People can't do basic math without it affecting their own wallets - so give them the Clinton tax rates that have been trumpeted as the only thing that can save the economy.Ask every democrat and media person why it is that they call the expiration of the most evil tax cuts in the history of the world and the single biggest economic problem the past 50 years(the Bush tax cuts) the "fiscal cliff".
Yes - it's always messaging... having Boner go on TV and call them "revenue enhancements" is a friggan joke. That kind of lunacy will never win.

Posted by: Reality_Man at January 01, 2013 09:47 PM (L2x1w)

372 no way a closely divided nation is going to allow
the GOP to cut trillions from Medicare and Social Security, we can't
even cut funding to PBS.


Posted by: Jeepers at January 01, 2013 09:42 PM (XDRsa)

____________________
Exactemundo!
But it's not just the left who hold Medicare/SS sacred. Plenty of so-called conservatives out there have the "I paid into it for 30 years, no fucking way you're cutting my benefits" mentality. This is a bipartisan clusterfuck.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 09:47 PM (HDgX3)

373 Isn't the Republican leadership SCOAMF worthy?

Posted by: pointsnfigures at January 01, 2013 09:48 PM (EBPRt)

374 370

One way to make blue staters pay more attention to state taxes is to make them non-deductable. Same with property taxes.

Posted by: Invictus at January 01, 2013 09:46 PM (OQpzc)

___________________
I live in WA state. We don't have an income tax. For the last 5 or 6 years we could deduct sales tax instead. That has gone away. There was a move by the senators from the 8 states without an income tax to restore the sales tax deduction. You should have seen the comments to stories about this from leftie loons. They were opposed to it because it wasn't fair that rich people who buy a lot of stuff and therefore pay a lot of sales tax get to deduct all that sales tax while poor people don't.
This is the mentality of the left. They'd rather nobody get anything that someone get something more than them. You want a $500 deduction but your neighbor gets a $1000 deduction? Ask a leftist this and most likely he'd say I don't want anything if my neighbor gets more than I do. They are insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 01, 2013 09:51 PM (HDgX3)

375 Nice having Mitt Romney lead the charge against this

Posted by: TexasJew at January 01, 2013 09:51 PM (lD8ju)

376 The deal is proof that there is no political will to take care of (a) the deficit; (b) debt; (c) borrowing; (d) the U.S. credit rating; and (e) solvency.

Posted by: Fabio9000 at January 01, 2013 09:53 PM (nd/L2)

377 The problem is, when you look at the bluest most Democrat states, they
also usually have the highest taxes. They have to "pay" for their
government (since states can't print money) yet their electorate doesn't
seem to get any more conservative.


But all of this is skewed by the fact that ALL OF THEM are getting a 43% discount on the cost of all services they get from the FED.GOV, and a pretty hefty discount on their state services as well (because the Fed subsidizes them). Believe me, I live in one of those Bluest of the Blue states (Massachusetts) - we're filthy with limo libs around here.

What your espousing is basically the liberal viewpoint that we should
match taxes to our spending to cut the deficit, whereas the conservative
view is we need to lower spending to match our tax base.


No, what I'm espousing is that you should pay for the government you want and if you don't want to pay for it you shouldn't get it. Can you point to me when this fabled "conservative" view has been put-forward for debate in the last, oh, 2-decades or so?

And yes, it's all going to burn regardless. I'm simply mocking from the sidelines as the GOP self-immolates

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:53 PM (V20sy)

378 369 @367 really don't see what that has to do with anything you've said about Boner letting his members be the decision makers.

He could have continued to meet with the SCOAMT and later crammed the grand bargain down their throats, but he chose to listen to his members' concerns.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 09:54 PM (YjDyJ)

379 155
Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:24 PM (xnYHG) ---------- Are you kidding? There won't be any cuts, except for maybe Defense.

Posted by: Baldy at January 01, 2013 09:55 PM (opS9C)

380 @ChadPergram We had 418 (out of a possible 432) members cast ballots on last roll call vote. May only need 210 to pass #fiscalcliff bill.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 09:57 PM (YjDyJ)

381
Congrats to the left and right portions of the dem party for making a deal.

I, for one, hope someday we can have a 2 party system.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 09:59 PM (69Mdf)

382 @378 - well then maybe agreeing to go all back-room with Choomy wasn't such at great opening gambit. Eh?

Just saying, is all.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 09:59 PM (V20sy)

383 This is a fucking beautiful deal, given the circumstances. If you can't see that then we are a hopeless party.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 01, 2013 07:31 PM (xnYHG)

I say no deals at all. $30 billion per year against thoseimpossible trillions means the American economy completely collapses in a few years, at most--sooner if the more savvy investors and economists start making public what they've already known for years. They've ran the numbers and modeled and war-gamed the probabilities and possible outcomes. We're looking at catastrophe. Given the situation, let the Republicans of the House vote either Against or Present on this and every other bill originating from the Democrats and publicly state its willingness to do so until the Senate presents a budget as it is bound by law to do. Meanwhile, lock it up. Shut it down. Call them out for they are. Stop pretending what the Obama Administration represents is business as usual.

We're being confronted by a stealth socialist takeover of the United States, in a situation where one of the major parties in a two-party system has been suborned by a cadre of committed Marxists intent upon wrecking the economy, blaming (and destroying) the GOP, dispensing with the Constitution (along with its freedoms), and imposing an authoritarian regime. Boehner and McConnelland others in GOP leadership circles such as John McCain don't see it. They still think they're dealing with colleagues, friends, the guys they play golf with on Saturdays who just happen to be members of the opposition party. From the looks of things, some of the more moderate Democrats truly do believe they're still the same traditional, left-of-center party. It isn't true. It hasn't been true since Obama's 2008 inauguration.

GOP leadership should once and for all forget about what might or might not happen in the 2014 midterms and balk, stymie, stall, do everything they can to disrupt the Left's agenda. The media will ensure the GOP catches the blame for any negative outcome no matter what they do, good or bad, so they might as well do what's best for the Republic. And while they're doing it, they should explain why they're doing it--in detail per Thomas Sowell's recommendations. There are still adults among the American electorate whocan be shown the truth and be trusted to act upon it.

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 09:59 PM (vtiE6)

384 345 "I predict a large slew of marriages involving single men who make between 400k and 450k."

Though I am a male, I would be willing to go in on a same-sex marriage with one of these needy individuals. In the name of freedom, of course.

Posted by: Moron Labe! at January 01, 2013 10:00 PM (7D6bD)

385 "....it was fun to think the GOP might have had some backbone left."

Now that is funny. There is not a bone in the whole GoP body. Not one. They are useless, feckless opportunists, nothing else.

Let it all burn.

Posted by: R Daneel at January 01, 2013 10:01 PM (rSQij)

386 382 @378 - well then maybe agreeing to go all back-room with Choomy wasn't such at great opening gambit. Eh?

It was not the opening gambit but I agree with your point.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 01, 2013 10:03 PM (YjDyJ)

387 P.S. I suppose I could just stare at the ceiling (or the wall, I suppose) and think of the Constitution.

Posted by: Moron Labe! at January 01, 2013 10:03 PM (7D6bD)

388 G'night, all.

Back to work tomorrow after an 11-day "vacation". Looks like I've got another 52-weeks of someone's FUNemployment to pay for now. Oh joy.

Posted by: DocJ at January 01, 2013 10:03 PM (V20sy)

389
troy, it would be nice to do those things but it was all a scam. the gop was in cahoots with the dems all along. otherwise you have to believe this bill was written in one day on new years eve. the repubs are only an opposition party in that they compete for the spoils they consfiscate from Americans.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 10:04 PM (69Mdf)

390 I fully expect the Executive Orders begin to fly. I hate this SCOAMF. Hate him.

Posted by: sybilll at January 01, 2013 10:10 PM (VaFs5)

391 troy, it would be nice to do those things but it was all a scam. the gop was in cahoots with the dems all along. otherwise you have to believe this bill was written in one day on new years eve. the repubs are only an opposition party in that they compete for the spoils they consfiscate from Americans.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 01, 2013 10:04 PM (69Mdf)

You're asking me to believe Republican leaders arewilling participants in the loss of their own power, perks, and prestige. No politician would willingly buy into that. A venal, self-interested lot, they love power even more than they love money.

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 10:15 PM (vtiE6)

392 I knew we were boned for good on the night of Nov. 6. The only thing to do is to enjoy whatever pleasures life affords you now - family, friends, nature, books, sports, food, and since we are morons, fapping and stompy boots - because the political and economic world is going to suck for the foreseeable future.

I haven't watched Fox News since election night. I get most of my political news from AOSHQ, and quite honestly, I can't bear to read many of the political posts. We're just fucked and for my sanity, I can't dwell on it for very long.

Posted by: Donna V. at January 01, 2013 10:17 PM (BStAJ)

393 "5
"Boehner presented 2 options to R's. One would be to amend #fiscalcliff

bill with cuts and see if it could pass and send to Senate."

Don't just amend with cuts. Amend with tax increases.

Put
in (a) repeal of the deductibility of state income tax, and (b) repeal
the deduction for mortgage interest. 85% of the financial benefit of
those two measures accrues to high income taxpayers in coastal states
which happen to be solidly Democratic.

That will put the Democrats in the ugly situation of having to hold their noses and vote down a tax increase on "the wealthy".

Agitprop. Monkeywrenching. They aren't playing fair, so why should we?



Posted by: torquewrench at January 01, 2013 06:25 PM (gqT4g)"

I think that you are on the right track here but I wouldn't end the mortgage deduction because that is going to make an entire generation of low information home owners hate Republicans. It will also, by driving down house prices even more, make banks even more insolvent than they are now.
I would suggest instead ending the tax exemption for municipal bonds. Why should rich fat cats be able to shield their income and avoid paying their fair share of federal income taxes, especially when the nation is in such dire financial straits. The fact that it would make it much more difficult for city and county governments to borrow money and would force many of them to have to lay off municipal employees, most of whom are Democrats, is entirely coincidental.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 01, 2013 10:24 PM (31Nrp)

394 @392 I agree. I feel more sad than anything. This house of cards is eventually going to collapse. Debt will be over 20 trillion in a few years. I am so disgusted with my so called fellow Americans over what they have voted for that I am ashamed to call them my countrymen. It also just sickens me how R's just roll over with no fight at all. Enjoy what you have now because the party is going to come to a grinding halt.

Posted by: Metalgod at January 01, 2013 10:24 PM (YgIJ8)

395 "...The only thing to do is to enjoy whatever pleasures life affords you now - family, friends, nature, books, sports, food, and since we are morons, fapping and stompy boots - because the political and economic world is going to suck for the foreseeable future..."
Posted by: Donna V. at January 01, 2013 10:17 PM (BStAJ)

Turning inward and cultivating our own garden is tempting, but there are other things we can do. I'm teaching myself how to cast bullets from lead I've smelted from wheel weights, for example. Never know when that might come in handy.

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 10:28 PM (vtiE6)

396 Yes, the EOs will begin, since he is flush with victory. He will over play his hand tho.

I expect that it all will begin to burn in the next month. Reality will intrude: the markets, other countries and trading partners, they will all scold us on our foolishness for political and economic gain. TFG is not up to the job of containing it.

This actually is a good time to move to Canada. They are recruiting unemployed guys from CA to work up there in their oil and construction boom. They have no Fannie or Freddie, no hatred of oil drilling, and a NHS that will soon be replicated here...so why stay?

Posted by: PJ at January 01, 2013 10:29 PM (ZWaLo)

397 Ok - Im looking at this deal and don't see what most of you do. The bush tax cuts become permanent (except for a small increase over 400K) the AMT is fixed for good, and dividends are maxed at 20 percent. The spending sequestration is only put off for 2 months, then it kicks in unless we cave. So we get most of what we want on taxes, then the spending cuts become a separate battle. We also have the debt ceiling coming up as well. Seems like a win to me.

Posted by: Peter at January 01, 2013 10:30 PM (KJjzd)

398 "...so why stay?"
Posted by: PJ at January 01, 2013 10:29 PM (ZWaLo)

I dunno. How about love of country?

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 10:30 PM (vtiE6)

399 ATM--back to the other meaning...ass to mouth. Congress' ass, our mouth.

Posted by: keninnorcal at January 01, 2013 10:31 PM (A6cQA)

400 Please, please, someone tell me why the (R)s can't just vote "present" and let the (D)s own this shit sandwich?

Posted by: sybilll at January 01, 2013 10:32 PM (VaFs5)

401 Please, please, someone tell me why the (R)s can't just vote "present" and let the (D)s own this shit sandwich?
Posted by: sybilll at January 01, 2013 10:32 PM (VaFs5)

GOP leadership is evidently worried about the bad press they'll receive by voting 'present'. I know, I know, but that's my best guess. They still think the American press serves the public interest. No one's told them yet.

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 10:47 PM (vtiE6)

402 The dems and their supporters across the board are doing fine. Everyone is happy. Republicans are the ones who are miserable and then only the republicans who live in the real world, the conservative leaning ones. The Rovian faction is just as fat and happy as the dems.

Posted by: Caustic at January 01, 2013 11:02 PM (/b8+5)

403 "GOP leadership is evidently worried about the bad press they'll receive by voting 'present'."

It's rather unlikely they'd ever receive "good" press from the Democrat Party propaganda arm, so I don't see any reason why they should fret over what the media might think of their actions.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 01, 2013 11:03 PM (A3ftE)

404 Cantor has broken with Boehner, will vote no. Has coalition .... will challenge for Speaker!

Posted by: Al at January 01, 2013 11:05 PM (1Dezr)

405 It's rather unlikely they'd ever receive "good" press from the Democrat Party propaganda arm, so I don't see any reason why they should fret over what the media might think of their actions.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 01, 2013 11:03 PM (A3ftE)

That was my point: the fact that GOP leadership actually worries what the press might say about them showsthey're clueless, out of touch, uninformed.They also seem tothink President Obama is a traditional Democrat. It's also never occurred to any of them (again per Thomas Sowell) to point out to the American public the ineffectual nature of a $30 billion per year payment against a growing multi-trillion dollar debt.

Posted by: troyriser at January 01, 2013 11:14 PM (vtiE6)

406 3 There is no win here for the GOP. They need to just pass the Senate bill and live to fight another day.
-
Live to what another day?

The endgame is that America is undergoing a slow transition to a third world style of government, where nobody in government cares too much about the national account provided their Swiss bank accounts or the equivalent are in order.

An increasingly third world population will increasingly vote for third world government. They just did.

The elite of the Republican Party is fine with that as long as they get included in the list of privileged people.

Posted by: Chromoly Man (formerly The Lightworker) at January 01, 2013 11:50 PM (qdAvJ)

407 Not much to say about the whole thing except that all the Republicans should just go join the French Army. They already know how to surrender. Cowards.

Posted by: TonyF at January 02, 2013 11:38 AM (k+t+2)






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