Overnight Open Thread (12-30-2012)

Soak the Rich?

Actually we already are and in fact the Federal Government is basically paid for by the top 5%.

And if more than few take their taxes elsewhere we are screwed e.g. France.

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How To Win At Poker

Well if you're the government you just take the money:

On April 15, 2011, a day that has been dubbed "Black Friday" in the poker community, the DOJ shut down the American operations of three major sites: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Ultimate Bet.

...In January of this year, Full Tilt and the DOJ worked out an arrangement in which the DOJ took ownership of Full Tilt with the intention of selling it to raise funds to pay back American players. Seven months later, on July 31, PokerStars purchased Full Tilt from the DOJ. Businessweek estimated that the transaction would make $547 million for the U.S. government. At the time, the DOJ vowed to reimburse Full Tilt's U.S. players; Stars said that it would take responsibility for returning $184 million to non-American customers.

PokerStars followed through on its end of the deal and recently relaunched the Full Tilt site outside of the U.S.

And surprise, surprise the DOJ has returned exactly $0 of the US account holders' money.

According to Steven L. Kessler, an attorney based in New York City who specializes in forfeiture law."In one of its publications [the 'National Asset Forfeiture Strategic Plan 2008-2012'], the government talks about bringing in $2 billion in forfeitures and returning only $700 million." Recouping Full Tilt funds will be "a long, drawn-out process to the point that you will need to be out five or six or seven figures for it to be worth pursuing. The system is set up so that you are discouraged from going after your money..Plus, look at what you're exposing to get back what belongs to you. You have to wonder if it will turn into a tax case."

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Celebrating New Years Dutch-Style

Apparently Carbidschieten (carbide shooting) is how the Netherlands ring in the new year.

Basically, a small chunk of calcium carbide and a little bit of water is placed in a metal milk churn. The carbide decomposes into acetylene and a flame is held up to a small hole in the milk churn. The resulting explosion sends the lid of the milk churn across a field and much fun is had by all.

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The Next Gun Control Angle: Insurance

Megan McArdle discusses an idea making the rounds - requiring liability insurance to own firearms. I think she dismisses some of the concerns over this a little too easily but in the end she believes it would have a negligible effect on gun ownership. In terms of pure insurance I would agree since an NRA membership already gives you a certain amount of liability and theft coverage. Jazz Shaw seems to have completely missed the point that McArdle was estimating the effects of this policy if it were implemented.

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The Journal News Doubles Down so their competitor, the Rockland County Times, Goes After Gannett Execs

Well since the Journal has seen fit to pierce the personal privacy of perfectly legal gun owners, I see why no reason why Journal News employees and Gannett executives shouldn't have their own privacy pierced. It's all available from public sources anyway so let them explain why their info is sacrosanct but private gun owners' is not.

DailyKOS: Hey Lets Have a War Against Gun Owners

And of you'll need a police-state apparatus to deal with all the NRA-criminals:

The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate..

Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that "lost" them on a boat or something.

...I'm not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn't have anything registered to his name. It's a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn't, that guy is not who I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid.

Bob Owens Responds with What You'll See in the Rebellion

Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President. ...Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers.

...After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end "badly." Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn't particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government's invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds,  but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

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Weekly AoSHQ Commenter Standings

Top 10 commenters:
1 [718 comments] 'Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.' [100.79 posts/day]
2 [427 comments] 'Vic'
3 [303 comments] 'DAve'
4 [257 comments] 'Butters'
5 [250 comments] 'Jones in CO'
6 [223 comments] 'MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit </i></u></b>'
7 [220 comments] 'J.J. Sefton'
8 [204 comments] 'BCochran1981'
9 [192 comments] 'CharlieBrown'sDildo'
10 [191 comments] 'ette'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [33 names] 'Cicero (@cicero)' [4.63 unique names/day]
2 [29 names] 'fluffy'
3 [24 names] 'Truck Monkey'
4 [22 names] 'Brandon In Baton Rouge'
5 [20 names] 'Islamic Rage Boy'
6 [19 names] 'kbdabear'
7 [19 names] 'andycanuck'
8 [19 names] 'MrCaniac'
9 [17 names] 'Romeo13'
10 [15 names] 'Dr Fish, TDY to SAT for ill mom'

The group. Yeah.

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Comments

1 Soak every motherfucker who voted for Obama or failed to vote for Romney in a battleground State.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2012 10:05 PM (dBYCN)

2 the president is a scoamf and 2012 SUCKED

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 6th day of Christmas at December 30, 2012 10:05 PM (GVxQo)

3 Right, so where the hell is everybody?

Posted by: piercello at December 30, 2012 10:06 PM (E/6f0)

4 Ah.

Posted by: piercello at December 30, 2012 10:06 PM (E/6f0)

5 I have a pair of espadrilles just like the guy in that photo.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:07 PM (hi7Wm)

6 Oh come on!!! I'm still in the Top 10?????


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:07 PM (IvVLN)

7 2012 sucked donkeyballs. 2013 better be a damn good year. Kind of makes me appreciate how good 2011 was for me after the suckiness of 2012.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:08 PM (hi7Wm)

8 Top 10 this week in sock puppets?

It's been many years since that happened.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:08 PM (Zd/NW)

9 Can't believe it's Sunday. These Christmas/New Year's holiday weeks all blend in together. I'm kind of looking forward to normalcy after this week.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:10 PM (hi7Wm)

10 So the Kos dumbass thinks he'll use a registry to figure out who has unregistered weapons?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 10:11 PM (KhZSt)

11
You know, we should probably do some 2013 predictions, either today or tomorrow.

Here's one from 2012. Oooo -- so close:

Mitt Romney will be the GOP nominee, and Marco Rubio the nominee for vice president. The Romney-Rubio ticket will win handily, an outcome made very easy to predict on election night when Pennsylvania goes Republican by a wide margin.


HUGH HEWITT
NRO 2012 Predictions

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 30, 2012 10:11 PM (kdS6q)

12 The left pretty much always want a war against the Dreaded Other.

And when they have enough power, that switches to an extermination, like in Russia or Cuba or North Korea or China.

Unfortunately, many decent people are ignorant of that, so the fuckers keep getting a foothold and screwing everything up.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:12 PM (bxiXv)

13 2011 was awful for me,an Obama loss would have salvaged 2012,but yeah it sucked.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2012 10:12 PM (dBYCN)

14 yo yo yo

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2012 10:12 PM (z9HTb)

15 Speaking of the guy in the picture: "I'm alive and he's dead, and that's the way I wanted it to be."

What Kos et.al., seem to forget is that in a confrontation between him and me, I'm the one with the gun.

Posted by: Pentangle at December 30, 2012 10:13 PM (Yu4ih)

16 11 - well that is more than a little depressing.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:13 PM (hi7Wm)

17 I think that rifle pictured may be a pellet gun.So to the Mfm,assault weapon.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2012 10:13 PM (dBYCN)

18 The proportion of taxes paid by the 1% is meaningless. Suppose George Bailey never lived and Mr. Potter got to turn Bedford Falls into Potterville, where he has all the money and everyone else is destitute. In fact, they are all so poor that everyone's income in Potterville is below the personal exemption level, except Henry Potter himself of course, who pays 100% of all the taxes - no matter what the rate of taxation is. Don't you feel sorry for poor old Mr. Potter?

Posted by: TrueNorth at December 30, 2012 10:14 PM (VGVxN)

19 10 So the Kos dumbass thinks he'll use a registry to figure out who has unregistered weapons?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 10:11 PM (KhZSt)


I think "think" is just plain the wrong word for what these people are doing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:14 PM (bxiXv)

20 Ummmm didn't Canada get rid of the national gun registry at least for long guns if not all of them?

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:15 PM (Gk3SS)

21 Who the F is "Pitbull" and why is Bud Light using him to try to sell me beer?

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:16 PM (Zd/NW)

22 Please please PLEASE do not make snow angels in the troll shit tonight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:16 PM (bxiXv)

23
@16

Have another, they're small:

The House GOP majority will expand by a few seats, but the Senate GOP will pick up Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Montana, and one additional “surprise” seat while losing none. Scott Brown will win handily in Massachusetts.

HUGH HEWITT
NRO 2012 Predictions

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 30, 2012 10:17 PM (kdS6q)

24 I personally like playing with my guns nude.

Posted by: SExyChic at December 30, 2012 10:17 PM (f7kOA)

25 Remember peons, if the Cowboys lose it's not Tony Romo's fault!

It's YOUR fault for not appreciating his elite prowess!

Posted by: MSM Sports Reporters at December 30, 2012 10:17 PM (wwsoB)

26 I read that entire bob owens thing. He nailed it right on the fucking head. Its exactly how it will go down. History proves it.

Posted by: Berserker at December 30, 2012 10:17 PM (FMbng)

27 That picture of The Duke and Cooper....sigh.

When men were men.

I bet no one would call out Coop for carrying that bag either.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at December 30, 2012 10:17 PM (Mkhiu)

28 I was making the rounds of some blogs I like--looking for a dab of good news. There is none! I saw on Powerline that 46 of the state legislatures are controlled by Dems and 36 of the governorships. I thought we were doing better on the state level. Woe is me. Also having trouble finding ammo. In Texas of all places. Geez Louise. It better be a better year coming!!

Posted by: Annabanana at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (SZ4Ro)

29 23 - you're killing me. I'll have to break out the liquor early at this rate.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (hi7Wm)

30 Since the night of November 6, I've felt constantly tired. I've no idea why.

Anyone?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (UOM48)

31 I'm at work. Will be here till 0600 tomorrow.

Posted by: puddleglum at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (8SsiG)

32 When men were men.

....and sheep were nervous.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:19 PM (tOvyV)

33 20 Ummmm didn't Canada get rid of the national gun registry at least for long guns if not all of them?

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:15 PM (Gk3SS)


Long guns, yes. Pretty much it was a huge expense (all of it) that produced virtually nothing in the way of benefits.

Just like every other time it's been done in history.

Learning-disorders aren't really a disorder, they're the norm. The ability to learn is the disorder.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:19 PM (bxiXv)

34 Seriously. Doesn't anyone at DailyKos realize that the Oklahoma City bombing was a response to just two incidents of gun grabbing by the Federal Government gone bad, Ruby Ridge and Waco? And one of those involved a cult.

Posted by: Xmas at December 30, 2012 10:20 PM (72483)

35 32 When men were men.

....and sheep goats were nervous.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:19 PM (tOvyV)




Somehow funnier to me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:20 PM (IvVLN)

36 Repost:

http://rol.st/TQEuOd

TFG makes appearance in LZ tribute. Fuck up of the Rock and Roll century. Well at least you cant hear it.

Posted by: sTevo at December 30, 2012 10:20 PM (VMcEw)

37 It's YOUR fault for not appreciating his elite prowess!

No one appreciates greatness anymore!!

Posted by: Joe Flacco's Easily Bruised Ego at December 30, 2012 10:20 PM (tOvyV)

38 I miss the old TV shows our parents would let us watch. Sinatra, Dino, etc. all smoking and drinking....in suits and ties.

Now we get lame-assed SNL and Daily Show bullshit. Young people now don't even know what classy humor is.

They can all GTF off my lawn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (UOM48)

39 Can we stop with the rebellion stuff? It's an unrealistic fantasy. If the government tried to grab guns, the would have their alphabet soup agencies go in, and they are more powerful than almost all militaries on the planet. And msot gun owners will comply because going to jail or worse isn't worth the destruction of their families.

If shooting starts, then Obama and friends can call in plenty of welfare addicts who are just itching to play Grand Theft Auto in real life... and they will be given free reign to do whatever they like, since everything will be blamed on "radical reich-wing militas" anyway.

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (Vk2pI)

40 OT From an earlier thread.

CharlieBrownsDildo, if that drink works out with the bacon garnish you have to call it the Lurking Dildo. Just saying.

Posted by: Game Day Lurker at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (rMZgH)

41 "I'm not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn't have anything registered to his name. It's a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn't, that guy is not who I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid."


Why do I get the feeling that they aren't concerned so much with WHAT somebody has, as they are are with WHO has them? One thing I concluded with leftists a long time ago, is that they aren't really anti guns. They're just fine with armed communits, socialists, various ethnic gangs and what have you. For the Social Justice, of course. Maybe I'm just cynical?

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2012 10:22 PM (yBF/9)

42 11 and 23 Laurie, are you saying Hugh Hewitt is a bit short in the soothsaying department. I pray he has no new ones for the coming year..........

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:23 PM (SZ4Ro)

43 38 - for me, it would have been Merv Griffin because my mom watched that all the time. But there weren't many choices back in the 70's. It was Merv Griffin and Dinah Shore all the way. With some Dick Cavett thrown in. Yup.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM (hi7Wm)

44 how in the jeebus did I make #5 again?


I denounce myself

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM (8sCoq)

45 Wasn't there a brothel (I assume in Nevada) that the Feds took over for (I assume) tax evasion and it lost money after the Feds began running it?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM (jPVBi)

46 Good Googly Moogly, I am # freaking one. I need a life.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM (l86i3)

47 WAS 14 DAL 7

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM (8sCoq)

48 Oh look RGIII has now scored one less touchdown then Romo's thrown interceptions!

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:25 PM (Gk3SS)

49 'Night all. Ramming my head onto a counter top thanks to my inviting numerous people to our home New Years Day for dinner.

WTF was I thinking? I'm exhausted from Christmas.

Must soldier on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:25 PM (UOM48)

50 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2012 10:25 PM (JMmQ9)

51 Oh look RGIII has now scored one less touchdown then Romo's thrown interceptions!

Told ya so!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (tOvyV)

52 48 Oh look RGIII has now scored one less touchdown then Romo's thrown interceptions!

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:25 PM (Gk3SS)



*cough cough*


Fuck you.


*cough cough*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (IvVLN)

53 check out this great video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU
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Posted by: Avi at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (/ZEtn)

54 This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (Vk2pI)


I'm sorry, you thought there was a way this was going to end well?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (bxiXv)

55 OSP you should think about taking up a hobby. Maybe you could write a book!

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (Gk3SS)

56 Must soldier on.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:25 PM (UOM4

You are the Hostess with the mostess, DRINK, Heavily.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (l86i3)

57 Good Googly Moogly, I am # freaking one. I need a life.


Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:24 PM


At least you're not number 2.

Posted by: bono at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (yBF/9)

58 38
I miss the old TV shows our parents would let us watch. Sinatra, Dino, etc. all smoking and drinking....in suits and ties.

Now we get lame-assed SNL and Daily Show bullshit. Young people now don't even know what classy humor is.

They can all GTF off my lawn.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (UOM4

Carol Burnett > All the comediennes on tv today, combined

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (Zd/NW)

59 The Russian Federation has become a tax haven -- ~13% flat income tax...I'm just saying.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 10:27 PM (hc3eM)

60 OSP you should think about taking up a hobby. Maybe you could write a book!
Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (Gk3SS)

Actually I started the second one. I've been on chapter 6 for two weeks. Once my kids go back to school I'll start again.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:27 PM (l86i3)

61 I blame fantasy football for this weird view that Romo is great. He's average, maybe slightly above average and he isn't clutch. I hope the Redskins kick the mooboys ass.

Posted by: puddleglum at December 30, 2012 10:28 PM (8SsiG)

62 Crap! So close! There's still time though I know Romo won't let me down.

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 10:28 PM (Gk3SS)

63 Jane (30) I thought I was the only one. I need some prozac or some uppers. I have been barely able to function (other than working a 50 hours week and wrapping presents). I am pretty sure its deep depression. I see a bleak future here if something doesn't change (and don't see the change coming). I don't need Hugh Hewitt to tell me about it either!

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:29 PM (SZ4Ro)

64 Only someone like Gary Cooper could get away with wearing shoes like those.

Posted by: Tuna at December 30, 2012 10:29 PM (M/TDA)

65 So, yesterday I bought my first handgun, I'm just waiting out the background check. I've shot plenty of times, and enjoy it. I have a couple of buddies that have lots of guns and we've always used theirs, so I've never seen a need to own one, but that's changed. In the end I went with simple and reliable, buying a Glock 19. I tend to prefer a 1911, but my wife is comfortable with the Glock, so that's what I got, if we only have one, I want her to be comfortable with it( when I told her, she told her friends "Hubby bought me a gun! Uh...no. I bought a gun that you can use. ) I'll get a .45 for myself next, but first I'm going to take my buddy up on his offer to help me build an AK, he's done it lots of times and has a whole gunsmithing bench. Anyone know if AK receivers are selling at the same rate as ARs?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 30, 2012 10:30 PM (aH+zP)

66 Of course this won't end well. That has been established for quite a while.

The issue is for whom it ends entirely and who remains.

Posted by: epobirs at December 30, 2012 10:30 PM (kcfmt)

67 59
The Russian Federation has become a tax haven -- ~13% flat income tax...I'm just saying.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 10:27 PM (hc3eM)

Except that Putin has the nasty habit of throwing people in jail and confiscating their assets.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:31 PM (Zd/NW)

68 I see nothing inherently wrong with the ultra-rich paying the lion's share of the federal budget. They obviously have benefited disproportionately, so why shouldn't they pay more?

Government subsidies to education
Government subsidies to infrastructure
Government paid defense
Government paid Law enforcement
Government paid everything

This country has prospered on the backs of the working and middle classes....so why shouldn't the rich pay more?

Because they are white and privileged?

Posted by: Lucy's Ben Wa Balls at December 30, 2012 10:31 PM (GsoHv)

69 Only someone like Gary Cooper could get away with wearing shoes like those.
Posted by: Tuna at December 30, 2012 10:29 PM


This.Word.

...and he barely gets away with it.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 30, 2012 10:31 PM (JMmQ9)

70 Except that Putin has the nasty habit of throwing people in jail and confiscating their assets.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:31 PM

Fucking amateur.

Posted by: tiberius at December 30, 2012 10:32 PM (yBF/9)

71 Posted by: Lucy's Ben Wa Balls at December 30, 2012 10:31 PM (GsoHv)

The stupid is strong in this one.

We're gonna do it your way for a while pal. When the whole thing goes to shit, remember....you asked for it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:33 PM (tOvyV)

72 Right, so where the hell is everybody?

Checking it. At work so I'll be here til tomorrow morning. Evening all.

Posted by: RichatUF at December 30, 2012 10:34 PM (rJdKc)

73 39
Can we stop with the rebellion stuff? It's an unrealistic fantasy. If
the government tried to grab guns, the would have their alphabet soup
agencies go in, and they are more powerful than almost all militaries on
the planet. And msot gun owners will comply because going to jail or
worse isn't worth the destruction of their families.





This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM

What are we going to do, VOTE? The Dems have been given permission to commit massive election fraud and the GOP is forbidden by judicial fiat from challenging fraud.

But hey, let's get some catchy mass mailings and robocalls, and a few witty commercials.

Those welfare GTA players aren't going to risk their asses or even get off the couch. They're takers, and any kind of work or risk is, you know, racism

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2012 10:34 PM (wwsoB)

74 Had to go back for a second look at Cooper's shoes. Those suckers tie on like ballet slippers, but I ain't sayin' nuthin'.

Posted by: no good deed at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (mjR67)

75 When I think AtC, I think...


http://tinyurl.com/agxerck

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (l86i3)

76 69
Love his nifty shirt too. A pocket for everything.

Posted by: Tuna at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (M/TDA)

77 71

Thanks Sean, I was trying to respond, but I can't type on ths damn iPad. I sincerely hope that is a sock.

Posted by: Moki at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (wi/sM)

78 Clara Bow, the actress, once stated that "Gary Cooper was hung like a horse and could go all night."

Yowzer.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (Mkhiu)

79 I'm sorry, you thought there was a way this was going to end well?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:26 PM (bxiXv)


It's all a matter of which poison do we pick.

*Sigh*

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (Vk2pI)

80 And, yes, the majority Conservative government here got rid of the long-gun registry although pinko Quebec is trying to sue the (Conservative) federal government to make the (Quebec?) information available for their own provincial registry. There are estimates that half the long-arms were never registered to begin with.

BTW, the Liberals said the registry was just going to cost a few million and it ended up costing two billion. (There was probably money laundering going on for the Liberals through it too.)

Handguns have been registered since IIRC 1921. I don't know how up-to-date it's kept for things like private sales between individuals. And just like liberal American states, tougher licensing laws here don't stop crimes or multiple shootings... oddly enough.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (jPVBi)

81 Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:29 PM (SZ4Ro)

Buy a gun...it will be a pleasurable experience, and the practice is always fun. Taking control of just a little bit of one's life is important.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (GsoHv)

82
Whether or not Congress passes some ridiculous national gun registry, most of the Federal Circuits would strike it down. It would clearly be in contravention of the understanding of the 2nd Amendment.

The real test would then be what the Supreme Court would decide. So the fate of freedom will once again hang in the balance of a 5-4 vote, and whether Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedystay healthy for another 4 years.

People here have mocked Kennedy in the past, but I really sense that he dislikes Obama on a deep personal level.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (Md8Uo)

83 Anna.. tryPrednisone!! I am on my 2nd day and all I can say is.. whoa baby!

Posted by: jewells45 at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (u25eL)

84 Those welfare GTA players aren't going to risk their asses or even get off the couch. They're takers, and any kind of work or risk is, you know, racism

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2012 10:34 PM (wwsoB)

Yep, it's bleak, but the moneys gone, it's been gone. Everyone pays the piper.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (l86i3)

85 Anyone know if AK receivers are selling at the same rate as ARs?

Posted by: Weirddave at December 30, 2012 10:30 PM (aH+zP)


If you can't find one, you can use a bent shovel.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised AK receivers cost more than $25. (I think they're $60-70 now).

I'm not partial to them but they're very popular.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:37 PM (bxiXv)

86 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:35 PM (l86i3)

I think she's shorter.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:37 PM (tOvyV)

87 I think she's shorter.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:37 PM (tOvyV)

Thanks Debbie Downer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:38 PM (l86i3)

88
At day's end, I intend to be one of those who remain.


No matter the manner of ending.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (SAMxH)

89 83

Jewells, just be prepared or the crash after the bolus doses. It isn't pretty.

Are you feeling better??

Posted by: Moki at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (wi/sM)

90 Got a gun and a concealed. Maybe I should go shoot some (with prednisone). Ammo is getting scarce around here.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (SZ4Ro)

91 Thanks Debbie Downer.

Hey, shorter is a plus for me. To each his own.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (tOvyV)

92 Hey, wasn't that cafe in "When Harry Met Sally" ?

Posted by: Tuna at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (M/TDA)

93 Is re-loading equipment as scarce as ammo? I'm kind of relying on that.

Hello, 'rons. Not feeling very chipper tonight, even though the Hawks are in the playoffs.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (S+/pH)

94 Hello, 'rons. Not feeling very chipper tonight, even though the Hawks are in the playoffs.
Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (S+/pH)

And I would not be shocked if they went all the way.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:40 PM (l86i3)

95 It's all a matter of which poison do we pick.

*Sigh*

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:36 PM (Vk2pI)


Yeah, except the part where we pick it is an illusion.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:41 PM (bxiXv)

96 Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (SZ4Ro)

I live in New Jersey.

Concealed goes to well connected politicians and their sugar-daddies.

Just realize that it could be worse.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:41 PM (GsoHv)

97
I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid.

How about the Bloods and the Crips, and other minority gangs (i.e., virtually all gangs)? Hmmm? So when three-quarters of the raids are on blacks and Hispanics, you won't be screaming about racism, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 30, 2012 10:41 PM (4u2LN)

98 I am a bit miffed that someone up the column here thinks we will all go quietly and give up our guns in order to not be jailed......

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (SZ4Ro)

99 Liability insurance for guns? Sure. Let's also do liability insurance for singles who have sex, so in case of pregnancy they don't have society foot the bill for their little bastard.

Posted by: R. at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (osRdu)

100 "...you asked for it."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:33 PM (tOvyV)

You have enjoyed the fruits of this government's work for your whole life. Now that it comes time to pay for it, you balk?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (GsoHv)

101 Moki.. all I have noticed so far is boundless energy and a bit of insomnia. But it's only 2 days. I still don't know what to do. I followed his order so far but since I can't reach him til Wednesday I am in limbo. It has helped the pain but not eliminated it.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (u25eL)

102 #68

How did the rich benefit more from that?

Part of being wealthy has always been that you could have stuff like security because in the days before there was such a thing as police the wealthy still had guards.

It is the poorest who have benefited the most as they now casually expect stuff to be provided that was solely in the realm of the wealthy not that long ago in the span of history.

And there is one huge fallacy in your list of 'Government paid' stuff:

The government has no money except what it confiscates by force of arms from those who actually create wealth. Whenever you say 'government paid' you really mean 'paid for by the wealthy without any say in how it is used or wasted.'

I'd rather have an elementary school run by a group of wealthy people with an eye towards producing future employees. They wouldn't place actual skills below 'self-esteem' in their priorities. Their school would be required to educate in practical matters first and foremost. Some commie wants the teachers to organize and start teaching socialism? Fire them all.

Posted by: epobirs at December 30, 2012 10:43 PM (kcfmt)

103 You have enjoyed the fruits of this government's work for your whole life. Now that it comes time to pay for it, you balk?

Yes, comrade.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:43 PM (tOvyV)

104 I am in Texas Mr. Dildo. I guess one out of three here have a license.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:43 PM (SZ4Ro)

105
Jay @ 97

True dat. Another thing the Kos asshats probably never thought of. That's where there's going to be shoot outs with the Feds.

We live in interesting times.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:43 PM (Md8Uo)

106 @Sean

Lucy's Ben Wa Balls? Come on!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (GsoHv)

107 What are we going to do, VOTE? The Dems have been given permission to commit massive election fraud and the GOP is forbidden by judicial fiat from challenging fraud.

But hey, let's get some catchy mass mailings and robocalls, and a few witty commercials.

Those welfare GTA players aren't going to risk their asses or even get off the couch. They're takers, and any kind of work or risk is, you know, racism

Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2012 10:34 PM (wwsoB)


I just think this "2nd American" revolution stuff is pure fantasy. Most gun owners are law abiding and will comply at least enough to the point where any gun grab will be a fait accompli. I doubt that many gun owners are willing to get into a huge shoot out, and sacrifice themselves and their families along with them.

I also doubt that many gun owners have the means to wage a rebellion. Houses will be taken and assets will be frozen. How and where will they live, even if they were willing to throw everything else away.

Most people are in a state that any radical change to their life, income, &c. will be disastrous.

There are plenty of leftists who would love to play revolutionary and would be willing to get their hands very, very dirty with people's blood.

Rather then be successful, and plausible rebellion will be used as justification for the far left to go hog wild with implementing their delusions.

I honestly believe that many of the far left would turn out to be worse then Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler rolled up into one.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (Vk2pI)

108 93 Is re-loading equipment as scarce as ammo? I'm kind of relying on that.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:39 PM (S+/pH)


Not scarce, but you'll find that when you add up the costs it's not really that much cheaper than ammo (at least a couple months ago).

And it takes time and effort and meticulous attention to detail.

And used brass is starting to run low as dumbasses have been selling it as scrap (worth more as used brass). Depending on the caliber you may get 5-20 tries out of it, if you don't lose any. The projectiles are still the expensive part.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (bxiXv)

109 How about the Bloods and the Crips, and other minority gangs (i.e., virtually all gangs)? Hmmm? So when three-quarters of the raids are on blacks and Hispanics, you won't be screaming about racism, right?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 30, 2012 10:41 PM

The key is the "and..."

Posted by: otho at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (yBF/9)

110 Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:43 PM (SZ4Ro)

Marvelous. I am working on my wife. We'll live in a free state....eventually.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (GsoHv)

111 Lucy's Ben Wa Balls? Come on!

I though Greg was socking you. It sounded...Almost perfect.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (tOvyV)

112 the would have their alphabet soup
agencies go in, and they are more powerful than almost all militaries on
the planet


They're spread a LOT thinner than you think.

The FBI has just over 10,000 field agents and a lot of those aren't kick in the door types. ATF can't even put 5k in the field.

By comparison - the NYPD fields ~34,000 uniformed police.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (hc3eM)

113 Actually, in fact, the Federal Government is basically paid for by IOUs. Because Fuck You, teh future (generations).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 30, 2012 10:46 PM (8hrco)

114 Off to bed. So tired. Husband is worn out and has a business to finish moving into.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:46 PM (UOM48)

115 "The very first thing we need is gulags."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 30, 2012 10:47 PM (8hrco)

116 the NYPD fields ~34,000 uniformed police.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (hc3eM)

99% of whom aren't worth a damn.

They can't shoot for shit, they can't drive, and all they are good at is killing defenseless NYers and underreporting crime so Bloomberg looks good.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:47 PM (GsoHv)

117 Later, all.

God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 30, 2012 10:47 PM (8hrco)

118 Good evening.

Posted by: Robert at December 30, 2012 10:48 PM (LUnTP)

119 Well Kids, I'm done.I just read some dreck from Kathleen Parker bemoaning the loss of dead tree newsweek and some other publications. She had better be careful. When she stops being hip slick and cool, she could find herself blowing an old banker for a new pair of shoes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:49 PM (l86i3)

120 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (tOvyV)

I'm flattered!

I spoke with some anti-gun relatives on Friday. I'm still decompressing.

Little known fact: a Glock is not a semi-auto.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:49 PM (GsoHv)

121 the NYPD fields ~34,000 uniformed police.

I first read that as "uninformed"

Which, now that I think of it, is just as accurate.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:49 PM (tOvyV)

122 Anyone know if AK receivers are selling at the same rate as ARs?


Posted by: Weirddave at December 30, 2012 10:30 PM (aH+zP)

I bought a Saiga 7.62 x 39 sporter model rifle on the cheap a few years back. I am not a gunsmith, but I wanted it to look like an AK (the Russian company that makes the AK makes the Saiga [same lower], but the version I have looked like generic EBR). The main thing to keep in mind is the number of parts you have to swap out for American parts if you want it to still be federally legal. There's a million checklists online that will help you do it. I bought the right number and type of American parts and brought them to a gunsmith, and he did it for me. I bought unfinished wooden furniture and stained it a pretty awesome Russian red and replaced the plastic crap. It now looks like a (semiautomatic) AK, which it essentially is, and it takes AK mags.It was a thing of beauty until that tragic boating accident.

Posted by: Palandine at December 30, 2012 10:50 PM (g7D8V)

123 tryPrednisone!! I am on my 2nd day and all I can say is.. whoa baby!

Yikes.

Posted by: RichatUF at December 30, 2012 10:51 PM (rJdKc)

124 Seeing Vasquez Rocks in a movie or TV show is always amusing to me because it is just a few miles away. We go there to walk the dogs several times a year. The article wildly underestimated the number of productions that have used the site. Many avoid showing the most familiar formations because they've become such a cliche. But it's a rare day when we've gone there and not seen somebody doing some work.

The area around Thousand Oaks gets used a lot as well but is less likely to be recognized. It was pretty funny as a kid seeing the movie Demon Seed and it showing our local City Hall as the location housing the villainous AI, Proteus IV. The whole theater broke up laughing and order was only restored by a nekkid Julie Christie.

Posted by: epobirs at December 30, 2012 10:51 PM (kcfmt)

125 Little known fact: a Glock is not a semi-auto.

I'm sure they're also intimately familiar with The National Firearms Act of 1934. You know....the one that banned automatic weapons.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:51 PM (tOvyV)

126 I like that DrewM is still pissing his pants that we are not destroying the Republican brand further, promising more debt for our children, more taxes, more spending all just to give the shittiest among us a few more moments of leisure so that the Democrats can both take credit for the good and also blame all that will go wrong on the GOP.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 30, 2012 10:51 PM (imtbm)

127 101
Moki.. all I have noticed so far is boundless energy and a bit of
insomnia. But it's only 2 days. I still don't know what to do. I
followed his order so far but since I can't reach him til Wednesday I am
in limbo. It has helped the pain but not eliminated it.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (u25eL)

It's helping with the inflammation, the pain will get better.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 10:52 PM (Zd/NW)

128 123 - watch out with Prednizone. It will quickly pack on the pounds.

Posted by: Sassy at December 30, 2012 10:52 PM (hi7Wm)

129 Charlie! Come on down to Texas. What a state! I wasn't born here, but I got here as fast as I could!

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:52 PM (SZ4Ro)

130 That chart-fu fully explains why I am working in China.

For all you haters out there. I am too proud to take welfare.

I work for the family.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (oSUAu)

131 Let's also do liability insurance for singles who have sex, so in case
of pregnancy they don't have society foot the bill for their little
bastard.[/]
If we register dicks, then only dicks will have registers... or something like that anyway.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (jPVBi)

132
Is it just me, or is Betty White the most annoying old woman in America today?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (Md8Uo)

133 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:51 PM (tOvyV)

Actually this little tidbit of stupidity claimed that it wasn't a semi-auto because she owned one and it doesn't fire more than six rounds. I pointed out that six was the number of rounds she loads into the magazine, so six is the number of rounds it can fire before reloading is necessary.

All of this was prefaced by the comment that "nobody should be allowed to own a semi-auto."


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (GsoHv)

134 Howdy, all.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (kaalw)

135 28
Republicans have 30 governorships and control both houses of state legislature in 28. Unfortunately the Republicans in state governments are the ones with steel testicles. The ones that get elected to national office are forced to recycle the steel in their balls as part of their oath of office in exchange for their choice of gopher study earmarks.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (gkfSV)

136 Dammit. Ok, the Maple flavored shit is still Crown. I'm here to stay now. Like it or not. Buahahaha.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (IvVLN)

137 They're spread a LOT thinner than you think.

The FBI has just over 10,000 field agents and a lot of those aren't kick in the door types. ATF can't even put 5k in the field.

By comparison - the NYPD fields ~34,000 uniformed police.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 10:45 PM (hc3eM)


Obama would be more likely to use these race-based criminal gangs to go after everyone else's guns. Special appointments via executive order or something like that.

All they need is an excuse, and they will unleash their dogs of war.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (Vk2pI)

138 99 Liability insurance for guns? Sure. Let's also do liability insurance for singles who have sex,

Posted by: R. at December 30, 2012 10:42 PM (osRdu)


Liability insurance for being alive. AKA taxes for public healthcare.

Rather then be successful, and plausible rebellion will be used as justification for the far left to go hog wild with implementing their delusions.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (Vk2pI)


They're already doing that, Hat. Just slowly (well, getting faster now).

Our revolution would fail and everything would turn to shit. Their revolution would fail and everything would turn to shit.

You're just somehow hoping they will hold back if we do, and it's a very, very vain hope.

I mean, sure, the correct answer is to work hard to shore up the system and make sure the subversives and corruptocrats are seen in the light, but the people who could do that pissed it down their legs.

So here we are, looking for our paddles.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (bxiXv)

139 Not scarce, but you'll find that when you add up the costs it's not really that much cheaper than ammo (at least a couple months ago). And it takes time and effort and meticulous attention to detail. And used brass is starting to run low as dumbasses have been selling it as scrap (worth more as used brass). Depending on the caliber you may get 5-20 tries out of it, if you don't lose any. The projectiles are still the expensive part.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (bxiXv)


Thanks, MDLotS. Yeah. I'm not concerned with the cost, just availability. Hubby has the equipment, and loves the attention to detail (helped out by a kick-ass scale)but brass is a concern. I guess we'll just do it until we can't anymore. I predict our re-loading stuff will be stolen soon, anyway.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (S+/pH)

140 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM (IvVLN)

Do they have liquor stores in this hell-hole?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (GsoHv)

141 Who gave a lib like Lucy a set of Ben Wa Balls?

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (SZ4Ro)

142 Here's the piece I'm picking up tomorrow

http://is.gd/xpzB5s

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 10:56 PM (8sCoq)

143 All of this was prefaced by the comment that "nobody should be allowed to own a semi-auto."

And these are the "smart people".

Did you put her some fuckin' knowledge, or does she still have the IQ of butter?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:56 PM (tOvyV)

144 109 How about the Bloods and the Crips, and other minority gangs (i.e., virtually all gangs)? Hmmm? So when three-quarters of the raids are on blacks and Hispanics, you won't be screaming about racism, right?


-------------

Oh please. Everybody knows that the evil white people have all the guns the ATF is interested in.

Posted by: Vicki Weaver, of Ruby Ridge Idaho at December 30, 2012 10:57 PM (b+8h9)

145 Gary Cooper was hung like a horse?


Beats the heck out of being hung like a horse thief!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 30, 2012 10:57 PM (1OZSU)

146 Do they have liquor stores in this hell-hole?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (GsoHv)



I dunno. But I plan to find out.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 10:57 PM (IvVLN)

147 I also doubt that many gun owners have the means to wage a rebellion. Houses will be taken and assets will be frozen. How and where will they live, even if they were willing to throw everything else away.

Maybe ten percent of a resistance will be shooters. The rest will be busy supplying ammunition, food, safe houses, explosives, etc. And even those shooters won't have to do it full time. A couple of guys who go to work every day, go to church, and once in a while they go out and blow up a cop car, kill a politician or bomb a government building.
The US is too big for the Federal Government to successfully control without a massive increase in forces, especially since many state and local governments will be divided. Local police may not actively side with the resistance, but will look the other way to activities, especially if the rebels don't do anything locally. The only way that the Feds will be able to exert influence is to massively increase their forces, either through conscription or through foreign military forces. Either solution would be a disaster for them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2012 10:58 PM (o1kXv)

148 I dunno. But I plan to find out.

Day Three: BC Still Sober. America Waits.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:58 PM (tOvyV)

149 A gun in hand is worth more than two on the way.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 30, 2012 10:59 PM (gkfSV)

150 It's a nice cold, crisp, still night here. Coyotes are a-howlin', though. Kitteh's on the couch, no worries! I know you're all so very concerned about cats! F'ers!

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:59 PM (S+/pH)

151 Is it just me, or is Betty White the most annoying old woman in America today?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (Md8Uo)


Second to Peggy Noonan

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:59 PM (l86i3)

152 Day Three: BC Still Sober. America Waits.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:58 PM (tOvyV)




Who the fuck said I was sober? It just tastes like shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM (IvVLN)

153 @ AnnaS..Texas..gotta love her!

Now I like Texas, ain't it fine here?

I like to shoot my Ak's down Luckenbaugh way,

And drink that Lone Star Beer!

Now I like Texas, there ain't no doubt!

I like Texas and I know what I'm talking about!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM (oSUAu)

154 I want the construction contract for the gulags...

...be a real shame if some workers "carelessly" left a bunch of hacksaw blades stuffed inside the walls, tucked under rugs, and slipped behind moldings...

...shit like that happens some times.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM (hc3eM)

155 30
Since the night of November 6, I've felt constantly tired. I've no idea why.

Anyone?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (UOM4

It's been extremely tiring trying to keep track of all the things TFG and the government are trying to "do to you" and to try ones best to slow or stop the "progressive agenda." Many were hoping to get a breather when TFG left office. Now the work of keeping on ones toes continues....

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM (lGu1O)

156 Second to Peggy Noonan Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:59 PM (l86i3)



FIFY

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:01 PM (IvVLN)

157 Who the fuck said I was sober? It just tastes like shit.

Then get your redneck ass off the soda and Find. The. Liquor. Store.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:01 PM (tOvyV)

158 Did you put her some fuckin' knowledge, or does she still have the IQ of butter?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 10:56 PM (tOvyV)

She's old and in all other ways quite nice. So I poked at her a bit and then changed the subject.

Her husband thinks she's an idiot. He was bullying me out of another cousin's Ruger .22 rifle.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 11:01 PM (GsoHv)

159
Well, all the right thinking people are sure that you shouldn't have a semi-auto. Because those are death guns.

Must never have seen all those Dirty Harry movies where he used the hand cannon 44 magnum revolver.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 11:01 PM (Md8Uo)

160
132 Is it just me, or is Betty White the most annoying old woman in America today?
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (Md8Uo)


Sweet old lady that says dirty things for a laugh kind of ran out of steam at least 3 years ago.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (GULKT)

161 Second to Peggy Noonan Nancy Pelosi

Point of order, I believe that Nancy Pelosi no longer counts as a "woman". "Cyborg", perhaps.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (o1kXv)

162 #107

The Founders weren't keen on throwing a war against the then most powerful nation on the planet back then. It took many years of building frustration and offenses. And a major portion of the European colonist population did not side with the rebels. The war that created this nation was fought and openly supported by a minority of those living here.

Taking up arms against the Crown was a far less palatable idea then than now. We've made uprisings against tyranny a cultural touchstone. It permeates out popular fiction. Look how often dealing with a problem is sold as a War On X.

How many government employees are going to be happy with knowing they've become the guys they were thrilled to see killed by the truck load in Star Wars? Or that their kids see them as such?


Posted by: epobirs at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (kcfmt)

163 30
Since the night of November 6, I've felt constantly tired. I've no idea why.

Anyone?


Probably the same stress we all have. But if it keeps up, you could do worse than to get your thyroid levels checked (all three indicators). (IANAD)

Posted by: Splunge at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (2IW5Q)

164 Guaranteed nightmares tonight from the monkey costume vid. If mimes weren't scary enough, a midget mime?

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (lGu1O)

165 Which nylon tactical vest is the most impervious to bullets?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (NIZHJ)

166 Revolution talk makes me crazy-nervous. If that "ten percent" of the resistance is white (or even sounds white) they will quickly become white supremacist neo-nazis in the media and ordinary, otherwise sympathetic people who don't spend half their lives glued to good media will quickly be turned away. Plus it only takes one genuine nut job in the bunch to really fuck things up.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM (b+8h9)

167 Who the fuck said I was sober? It just tastes like shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM (IvVLN)

Got any bitters? Angostura will work like a charm in that shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 11:03 PM (GsoHv)

168 Then get your redneck ass off the soda and Find. The. Liquor. Store.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:01 PM (tOvyV)



The FIL bought it. And he's......a little fucking nuts. Short fuse at times. So I'm suffering through the bottle and then...Liquor. Store. Hello Jack, my old friend.


And the redneck part cracks me up. Even on the internet, the neck shines through.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:04 PM (IvVLN)

169 Judge Bean--damned if I don't just LOVE Texas too. I like Shiner!

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 11:04 PM (SZ4Ro)

170 The Nazis never broke the French resistance.

It took the Feds how many years to catch the Unibomber...and it was because his brother ratted him out.

The most useful "resistance weapon" won't be a gun anyway...it'll be a cordless sawzall and a bag full of batteries.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (hc3eM)

171 Got any bitters? Angostura will work like a charm in that shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 11:03 PM (GsoHv)




Seriously, I'm not kidding when I say that this is the only fucking drop of liquor in the house.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (IvVLN)

172 142
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 10:56 PM

I found a Taurus 85 (model 10 copy) in unfired condition at a pawn shop.
I love snubbies. For some reason I am more accurate with them than my Colt Trooper

Posted by: Beto at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (BAnPT)

173 She's old and in all other ways quite nice. So I poked at her a bit and then changed the subject.

You're a much better man than I.

I consider it my personal mission in life to point out idiocy in any circumstance. I just think when you make stupidity consequence free, you get more of it.

As you might have guessed, I'm incredibly popular at family gatherings.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (tOvyV)

174 I predict our re-loading stuff will be stolen soon, anyway.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (S+/pH)


Before or after the boating accident?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (bxiXv)

175 Why don't you drink the maple rye with pancakes?

Posted by: andycanuck at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (jPVBi)

176 Why not a report where all high school drop out live and don't work, so neighbors or neighborhoods can be alerted to likely thieves and criminals?

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 30, 2012 11:06 PM (lGu1O)

177 Anyone know the difference between an AK and a Mac-90?

Posted by: teej at December 30, 2012 11:06 PM (1CULz)

178 Judge Bean--damned if I don't just LOVE Texas too. I like Shiner!


Yep, you've got to love a town where a dad can kill his daughter's rapist and the sheriff doesn't say boo about it...oh, you may have meant the beer.

Posted by: no good deed at December 30, 2012 11:06 PM (mjR67)

179 If that "ten percent" of the resistance is white

The gang bangers ain't gonna give their shit up willingly. Strange bedfellows.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 11:06 PM (hc3eM)

180 Doesn't AK have a newer model?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:07 PM (NIZHJ)

181 Hat, I think you're underestimating the chance of rebellion. This isn't a tax increase or forcing a religion to violate deeply held beliefs, bad as those are. True confiscation (as the krazy kos kiddie is advocating) would be a pure act of tyranny and a pissing on everything the Constitution stands for. Most philosophies, religious and secular, have the tenet that there is no need to obey an unjust law. Many, many people would refuse to allow their weapons to be confiscated or their homes to be searched for weapons. They'd do it peacefully to the very end, and I think most of it would be caught up in litigation hell, but if the government went in guns blazing against its own peaceful people to disarm them, you would see a substantial percentage revolt. There was a story in the sidebar a week or so ago--it was an estimation of roughly how many guns owners there were. Can't remember the figure, but lets say 75 million people. If 1% of them revolted, that would be 750,000 people--I don't know how big Red China's army is, but that's the only military of any size that could rival it...and that's assuming a percentage as low as 1%. Not to mention, as noted, the tens of millions of sympathizers they'd have. It's why it's not going to happen. The tyrant is a tyrant, but he has not shown himself to be stupid.

Now, if there's another 1994 AWB? Nah, nothing will happen, except a lot of dems get voted out of office in 2014 and the thing gets gutted.

Posted by: Palandine at December 30, 2012 11:07 PM (g7D8V)

182 Anyone know the difference between an AK and a Mac-90?

Cosmetics. The Mac is a post-Ban repackaging and cosmetics job. Same internals.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 11:08 PM (hc3eM)

183 Hey, I'm the number 1 sockpuppeter with a pitiful 33 names? Cripes, I remember when no sockpuppeter was worthy of respect without putting at least 150 unique names on the threads in week. What happened to the AoSHQ I used to know and love?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 30, 2012 11:08 PM (q4+Rx)

184 Hello Jack, my old friend.

I feel sorry for you.

Single barrel Jack is on sale at the Ft. Myer Class Six. Send me an address and I'll have it air dropped to you.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:08 PM (tOvyV)

185 Is it just me, or is Betty White the most annoying old woman in America today? Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 10:53 PM (Md8Uo) Second to Peggy Noonan
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 10:59 PM (l86i3)


I'm pretty annoying, but don't think I qualify as "old" yet in the way you mean. Does Kathleen Parker? Probably not. I miss the days of clay tablets. They really bespoke of the earth, being all clay-ey and shit.

BTW, I bought your book today, OSP!Can't wait to read it, plusI think my parents will really like it, too, after I'm finished with it. They are drawn to that type ofstory,especially.(I hope the print is large enough.)

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:08 PM (S+/pH)

186 I want a registry of anyone who has ever bought one of those stupid books about how to get money from the government, and anyone who has joined one of those gosh-awful groups where you try and get all your friends/neighbors/cousins/coworkers to host "parties" in which you sell them stinky candles or flimsy-ass scrapbooking supplies or what the hell ever else is sold that way now. That would curb a ton of my violent impulses, anyway.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:09 PM (b+8h9)

187 Three.

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:09 PM (Gk3SS)

188 If that "ten percent" of the resistance is white
(or even sounds white) they will quickly become white supremacist
neo-nazis in the media and ordinary, otherwise sympathetic people who
don't spend half their lives glued to good media will quickly be turned
away.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:02 PM

As if the MSM isn't doing that now? You suffer from GOP disease, unable to do anything because the likes of David Gregory will call you names.


Posted by: kbdabear at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (wwsoB)

189 Most gun owners are law abiding and will comply at least enough to the point where any gun grab will be a fait accompli. I doubt that many gun owners are willing to get into a huge shoot out, and sacrifice themselves and their families along with them...

(snip)

Obama would be more likely to use these race-based criminal gangs to go after everyone else's guns. Special appointments via executive order or something like that.

All they need is an excuse, and they will unleash their dogs of war.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:54 PM


So, when the New Black Panther Party Gun Confiscation Squad shows up at your house, you're just gonna open the locker and turn them over?

When they get to my house, they're going to have a bad day.

Posted by: AltonJackson is fairly pissed off at the mere talk of confiscations at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (JMmQ9)

190 Either solution would be a disaster for them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2012 10:58 PM (o1kXv)


Any solution, once that crap starts, is a horrible bloody mess for everyone.

I ain't arguing that it's a good idea, just saying the avoiding it doesn't avoid the bloody mess when the other side gets enough of a monopoly to go back to their usual pogrom pattern.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (bxiXv)

191 The ghost of Gary Hogeboom strikes again.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (NIZHJ)

192 There was an AK-74 made some years ago that I think used the same 5.56 NATO round. The Soviet Army used it, but I don't think it ever became popular as the AK-47 was.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (Md8Uo)

193 Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 30, 2012 10:58 PM (o1kXv)

The government could just freeze the accounts and grab the assets of any and all persons who ever bought a gun, went though the background check, was ever a member of the NRA or other pro-gun organization, or ever uttered strong pro-gun sentiments. They just have to give a short warning to turn Quisling... or else.

The far left has the tugs, and "SOCIAL JUSTICE" screeching idiots brainwashed from Pre-K through Ph.D. who would jump on the chance.

If things go bad, the media will get most people on their side because the opposition will be labeled neo-NAZIs or whatnot. Obama might even invite foreign help such as the UN, to fight the eeeevil "riech-wingers."

Unlike right-minded Americans, Obama's thugs won't have anything to hold them back and they will be able to get away with s**t that would make Pol Pot do a double-take.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:11 PM (Vk2pI)

194 >I love snubbies. For some reason I am more accurate with them than my Colt Trooper



Posted by: Beto at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (BAnPT)

This will be my 4th revolver. I believe this is the one I've been looking for. The others were all long barreled and not well suited for carry.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 11:11 PM (8sCoq)

195 Evening all. I'm in New Joisey!

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:11 PM (uN27w)

196 192 Is that the one with the folding butt stock that the terrorists like so much?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:12 PM (NIZHJ)

197 Romo, your wife called. She wants a divorce.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 30, 2012 11:12 PM (BVkEs)

198 I feel sorry for you.

Single barrel Jack is on sale at the Ft. Myer Class Six. Send me an address and I'll have it air dropped to you.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:08 PM (tOvyV)



Somewhere near the coast of NC.




187 Three.

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:09 PM (Gk3SS)



I hate you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:12 PM (IvVLN)

199 Hat, I think you're underestimating the chance of rebellion. This isn't a
tax increase or forcing a religion to violate deeply held beliefs, bad
as those are. True confiscation (as the krazy kos kiddie is advocating)
would be a pure act of tyranny and a pissing on everything the
Constitution stands for. Most philosophies, religious and secular, have
the tenet that there is no need to obey an unjust law.


John Locke:

And thus the Community perpetually
retains a Supream Power of saving themselves from the attempts
and designs of any Body, even of their Legislators,
whenever they shall be so foolish, or so wicked, as to lay
and carry on designs against the Liberties and Properties
of the Subject. For no Man, or Society of Men, having a
Power to deliver up their Preservation, or consequently the
means of it, to the Absolute Will and arbitrary Dominion
of another; whenever any one shall go about to bring them
into such a Slavish Condition, they will always have a right
to preserve what they have not a Power to part with; and
to rid themselves of those who invade this Fundamental,
Sacred, and unalterable Law of Self-Preservation, for which
they enter'd into Society. And thus the Community may be
said in this respect to be always the Supream Power, but not
as considered under any Form of Government, because
this Power of the People can never take place till the Government
be dissolved.


We'll see if this principle means anything in practice. Soon, I fear.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 30, 2012 11:12 PM (q4+Rx)

200 #137

Those gangs do not an army make. They're a tiny minority in their own communities as wolves need a large multiple of sheep to get by. It would not take much to collapse their organizations, such as they are, because they are accustomed to dealing with police forces that go to great lengths to take them alive and preserve their civil rights.

If a bunch of Bloods start staging confiscation raids under the guise of home invasions, those who fight back are not going to be concerned wth reading them their Miranda rights. And how well do you expect the average bunch of gangbangers, who produce a remarkably low body count for the number of shots fired in cities like Los Angeles, to stand up against anyone who is former military or LEO and keeps in practice?

Posted by: epobirs at December 30, 2012 11:12 PM (kcfmt)

201 Evening all. I'm in New Joisey!

And you smell like a petrochemical plant.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (tOvyV)

202 Ahh! the incentive to grow wealthy.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (Eq2MX)

203 What happened to the AoSHQ I used to know and love?
Darned if I know.

Posted by: francis j. fishbein at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (jPVBi)

204 How about Boehner comes out and says something like:

Democrats lie. They lie all the time. Democrats will even lie when the truth will do. Remember when Harry Reid lied about Mitt Romney, saying he had evidence Romney was a tax cheat? Where's Harry Reid's evidence? He never had it. He lied. And for no good reason.

Democrats lie. They always lie, they lie to everyone. Democrats out in America need to come to terms with the irrefutable fact that their Democrat leaders are lying to them. Democrats tell big lies when little lies will do. Remember when President Obama lied and said doctors were amputating children's feet instead of treating them? He could have simply said he didn't think care was good enough. But he pulled out the biggest whopper of his presidency to trick you into supporting Oabamacare.

Democrats are lying to you now. The big lie now is that Republicans don't want what's good for the country. They are lying when they tell you they do. They don't and they are lying to your face.

The truth is, Democrats are enslaving black children under a debt they will never repay. They are enslaving poor children in substandard schools. Democrats are lying when they say taking away your gun will make you safer and keep you free.

And they are lying to you when they tell you that you can get the amount of government you want if we just raise taxes on other people.

President Obama is coming after you. He will take your money that you earned and spend it in ways you would never want it spent. He will use the IRS and the EPA and a hundred other government bureaucracies to steal your freedom and your future. And Congressional Democrats are in lockstep behind him to steal from you and to steal from America.

He's lying to you. Because Democrats always lie. And I will not accept any deal that favors what they want because what they want is bad for America and America's children.

Today, the house has passed a budget that America can afford and we've adjourned for the session. The president and his followers can pass the budget as is or they can be responsible for the worst tragedy of Federal government in living memory.

We'll see you all in 2013.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (I1APS)

205 I predict our re-loading stuff will be stolen soon, anyway. Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 10:55 PM (S+/pH) Before or after the boating accident?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:05 PM (bxiXv)

During, I think. We'll probably be gone boating, all day, leaving the house uguarded and this unfortunate convergence of events may take place.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (S+/pH)

206 Pro tip - the most vulnerable part of any building is the roof. You can cut through a roof quickly with a sawzall without setting off any entry and window alarms.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (hc3eM)

207 As if the MSM isn't doing that now? You suffer from GOP disease, unable to do anything because the likes of David Gregory will call you names.

--------------

Huh? I didn't say people shouldn't resist the gun grabbers...just gloomily saying what will happen when/if they do, based on what I remember of the 90s.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (b+8h9)

208 the NYPD fields ~34,000 uniformed police.

They are welcome to New York City.

Posted by: t-bird at December 30, 2012 11:14 PM (FcR7P)

209 And then I woke up with sticky underwear.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:14 PM (I2LwF)

210 177 Anyone know the difference between an AK and a Mac-90?

Posted by: teej at December 30, 2012 11:06 PM (1CULz)


AK is a rectangle and Mak-90 is a square. The latter is a subset of the former.

Kind of like a Saiga or a WASR. Think of it as like Lodge and Cuisinart both make frying pans.

180 Doesn't AK have a newer model?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:07 PM (NIZHJ)


Do you mean the AK-74, 5.56x39mm? Based on the same design as the 47, different caliber.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:15 PM (bxiXv)

211 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU
video response to Hollywood stars for gun grabbing. Start with their movie roles.

Posted by: vivi at December 30, 2012 11:15 PM (x++mg)

212 Oh hey look a whole new way for the Cowboys to fuck up!

*blows kisses*

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:15 PM (Gk3SS)

213 212 I liked the bobbling the extra point thing better.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:16 PM (NIZHJ)

214 212 Oh hey look a whole new way for the Cowboys to fuck up!

*blows kisses*

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:15 PM (Gk3SS)




*glares Westward*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:16 PM (IvVLN)

215 155 30
Since the night of November 6, I've felt constantly tired. I've no idea why.

Anyone?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 10:18 PM (UOM4

I always get the blues in November. But it's worse this year.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:16 PM (I2LwF)

216 And then I woke up with sticky underwear.
Then you shouldn't chew gum in bed, young man.

Posted by: old lady at December 30, 2012 11:17 PM (jPVBi)

217 192 There was an AK-74 made some years ago that I think used the same 5.56 NATO round.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 30, 2012 11:10 PM (Md8Uo)


Nope. 5.56x39 is soviet, 5.56x45mm is NATO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:17 PM (bxiXv)

218 212 Oh hey look a whole new way for the Cowboys to fuck up!

Look, Mama. Teacher said every time Jerry Jones bursts a temporal vein, an angel gets his wings!

Posted by: Zuzu at December 30, 2012 11:17 PM (tOvyV)

219 Oh man that guy is Romo-trocious!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 30, 2012 11:17 PM (1OZSU)

220 That's just the only hope for the human race being snuffed out forever.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:18 PM (NIZHJ)

221 BCochran, do you still have open all night booze stores and bottleclubs down there? I did boot andA school in FL in the mid 80s and thought they were out of their minds. WI (we drink) has stupid blue laws, but not as stupid as Minnescrota (they drink too).

Posted by: JimboHoffa GOPACK at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (dAfqy)

222 This is brutal. Shitty booze. Sitting here with a houseful of Redskins fans.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (IvVLN)

223 The government could just freeze the accounts and grab the assets of any and all persons who ever bought a gun, went though the background check, was ever a member of the NRA or other pro-gun organization, or ever uttered strong pro-gun sentiments. They just have to give a short warning to turn Quisling... or else.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:11 PM (Vk2pI)


And you think they would have anything left to rule a week after that?

Not that they wouldn't be that stupid, but that is one of the top 10 most counterproductive and destructive ideas ever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (bxiXv)

224 221 BCochran, do you still have open all night booze stores and bottleclubs down there? I did boot andA school in FL in the mid 80s and thought they were out of their minds. WI (we drink) has stupid blue laws, but not as stupid as Minnescrota (they drink too).
Posted by: JimboHoffa GOPACK at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (dAfqy)



I'm currently in NC. Visiting the in-laws.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (IvVLN)

225 216 And then I woke up with sticky underwear.


Then you shouldn't chew gum in bed, young man.
Posted by: old lady at December 30, 2012 11:17 PM (jPVBi)


Usually I get it in Mrs. North's hair.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:20 PM (I2LwF)

226 193 Ironic to use the term "quisling"

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 30, 2012 11:20 PM (XDC0v)

227 Not to stir up the hornets nest or anything. Still trying to confirm this isnt horse-shit:
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ---> Clinton Injured, US Navy seal killed......Mission To Iran | http://EUTimes.net http://ow.ly/grqTD

Posted at twit by @irritatedwoman (don't worry she follows Dagny)

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 30, 2012 11:20 PM (0JB89)

228 Usually I get it in Mrs. North's hair.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:20 PM (I2LwF)



Do you now?


I thought the progression was "Swallow or it's in your eye"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:21 PM (IvVLN)

229 What the fuck was just on Romo's head?

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:21 PM (Gk3SS)

230 I live in New Jersey.

Concealed goes to well connected politicians and their sugar-daddies.

Just realize that it could be worse.






Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2012 10:41 PM (



I'm not sure, but I heard we are "technically" a class III state, but really, you got a better chance of smoking pot with god while the 2 of you tag team christina hendricks before you'll ever get that license here.

Posted by: Berserker at December 30, 2012 11:22 PM (FMbng)

231 B Cock, sometimes I can't keep the trajectory low enough. It's a curse.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:22 PM (I2LwF)

232 Usually I get it in Mrs. North's hair.
As long as you don't get any on her pearl necklace, young man.

Posted by: old lady at December 30, 2012 11:22 PM (jPVBi)

233 231 B Cock, sometimes I can't keep the trajectory low enough. It's a curse.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:22 PM (I2LwF)



I'm sure she curses you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:23 PM (IvVLN)

234 Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (I1APS)



....and then everyone goes, "what did you do with the real Boehner? -- sure, we like the replacement better, but it's obviously not the same guy."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 30, 2012 11:23 PM (kaalw)

235 What the fuck was just on Romo's head?

---

Jerry Jones' balls?

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 30, 2012 11:23 PM (BVkEs)

236 What the fuck was just on Romo's head?
Chewing gum, young woman?

Posted by: old lady at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (jPVBi)

237 Tony Romo being Tony Romo? What a fucking surprise!

I haven't watched any of this game and I could have told you the cowboys would shit the bed in the 4th.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (I2LwF)

238 Somethings sucking ass in Washington and this time it's not Boner.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (NIZHJ)

239 Did Collinsdork just call Romo a loser? That's just mean.

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (Gk3SS)

240
And you smell like a petrochemical plant.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:13 PM (tOvyV)


Well, it is Sunday after all. So yeah.

And BC, Cougar is a Skins fan. She's doing the snoopy dance right now. And I'm drinking good booze. So, pfffffft.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (uN27w)

241 Zooey Deschanal, what will you be doing New Years Eve?
http://youtu.be/aSq1cez_flQ

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (t9Q9e)

242 I'm currently in NC. Visiting the in-laws.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (IvVLN)Sorry bout that, thought you got back home already.

Posted by: JimboHoffa GOPACK at December 30, 2012 11:25 PM (dAfqy)

243 Anyway. Maybe back later but probably not.

Be bad, be well, and get over on your SO.

See you tomorrow.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 11:25 PM (I2LwF)

244 And BC, Cougar is a Skins fan. She's doing the snoopy dance right now. And I'm drinking good booze. So, pfffffft.
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (uN27w)



So that's AtC, Bannion and now DC that's turned on me.

*sob*


Do you have pics or video of said dance?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:25 PM (IvVLN)

245 Can we stop with the rebellion stuff? It's an unrealistic fantasy. If the government tried to grab guns, the would have their alphabet soup agencies go in, and they are more powerful than almost all militaries on the planet. And msot gun owners will comply because going to jail or worse isn't worth the destruction of their families. If shooting starts, then Obama and friends can call in plenty of welfare addicts who are just itching to play Grand Theft Auto in real life... and they will be given free reign to do whatever they like, since everything will be blamed on "radical reich-wing militas" anyway. This will not end well...
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:21 PM (Vk2pI)


The wrong is strong in your post. The alphabet agencies are not nearly numerous enough to take on the populace that would resist. There are less than a million badged, gun carrying law enforcment nationwide. And they are not nearly as well armed, nor as well motivated, as the people they would be facing. And welfare addicts are welfare addicts because they don't want to do the work. Do you really think they are going to risk their lives?

Many gun owners would turn in their guns. But a sizable fraction would not. And they outnumber all of the LEO, Active Duty, and Reserves by a large margin. On their own ground, with the ability to cut off the supply lines the .gov depends on.

There is a reason the liberals fear the gun owning populace. And it isn't because they own guns.

Its because they cannot beat them in a stand up fight. And that is why they constantly attack them, trying to wear them down to managable levels. It hasn't worked.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:26 PM (ial2b)

246 Sorry bout that, thought you got back home already.

Posted by: JimboHoffa GOPACK at December 30, 2012 11:25 PM (dAfqy)




Nope, not till Sat.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:26 PM (IvVLN)

247 Math is an MF.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:26 PM (NIZHJ)

248 Nobody in Jersey says Joisey.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2012 11:27 PM (O80gU)

249 Here's a short story someone wrote about an armed rebellion. Sad to say, sometimes I think of this as a best case scenario. I think the writer is supposed to be Val Jarrett.

http://tinyurl.com/9592nav

Posted by: Weirddave at December 30, 2012 11:27 PM (aH+zP)

250 Not that they wouldn't be that stupid, but that is one of the top 10 most counterproductive and destructive ideas ever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:19 PM (bxiXv)


Sadly, it'd be par for the course for the left...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:27 PM (Vk2pI)

251 Damn, cannot get enough freaking [ br]s' in there.

Posted by: JimboHoffa GOPACK at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (dAfqy)

252 I see that Houston fucked up and went from possibly being the 1 seed and getting a bye to having to play the Bengals next week. Sucks to be them.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (GULKT)

253 Do you have pics or video of said dance?

If it makes you feel any better, I enjoyed watching the Ravens lose today.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (tOvyV)

254 Okay, here's one. My step-son was visiting over the holidays. He broached the subject of Sandy Hook and had some vague notions that "gun control" might be a good thing to keep horrible events like that from happening. I walked him through the issue from my perspective, since he acknowledged he didn't really know much about guns or gun owners, etc. He seemed receptive to the discussion.
Then- this same compassionate souldeclared that the mother of the shooter got exactly what she deserved! I asked him if he knew some facts that weren't publicly available because there are a lot of unknowns and mis-reported facts about her involvement. I couldn't refrain from saying, "So you would just summarily execute her without any discovery of facts?" He said, "No, I didn't say I would shoot her, I said she deserved to be shot." My response- "Oh, so you would have someone else summarily execute her on your behalf." That was pretty much the end of the conversation.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (1OZSU)

255 Its because they cannot beat them in a stand up fight. And that is why they constantly attack them, trying to wear them down to managable levels. It hasn't worked.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:26 PM (ial2b)


And a significant number of the troops, officers and agents take their oaths seriously.

I doubt any such order would make it out of the room if it ever happened.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (bxiXv)

256 WAS 28 DAL 18 FINAL

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (8sCoq)

257 241
Zooey Deschanal, what will you be doing New Years Eve?
http://youtu.be/aSq1cez_flQ


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (t9Q9e)

---
Thanky. Love me some Zooey.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (BVkEs)

258 Some hereare trying to rationalize their cowardice and surrender. Fuck the Constitution: fighting topreserve it wouldn't be "practical". And from the graves of millions before us who died defending it so that you can lie down and let it die and figure out a rationalization that would make you feel good about doing it, "**** you". Surrender before shots are even fired: lovely. Now try to convince others around you that your rationalizations are just being "practical". Being an enemy of the Constitution suits some better than others.

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (XDC0v)

259 Waco, your ATF at work.

Enough said.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (t9Q9e)

260 I lost a little over a hundred in cash at PokerStars when the feds shut them down. That sucked a little. But they also had a thing called Tourney dollars, which you could win playing in various tournaments. They could be used to enter more tourneys, or could be sold to brokers for around 90 cents on the dollar.

I had over a thousand in tourney bucks, stolen by the gubmint. I keep hoping they will legalize poker play and I can get my stuff back. And as much as I detest that human shitstain Barney Frank, he was a leading proponent for legalized online poker in Congress.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (ccXZP)

261 Annnnd that's bed for me. Play nice.

Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (Gk3SS)

262 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:24 PM (t9Q9e)

I'm going to have dessert with M. Night and then feel guilty, conflating that horrific act with cheating on Marky Mark.

Posted by: Zooey Deschanal at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (SOGo4)

263 If it makes you feel any better, I enjoyed watching the Ravens lose today.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (tOvyV)



That does make me feel better. Did any Ravens get their legs broke?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (IvVLN)

264 @ no good deed. You got the balls to back that up sonny?

I challenge you to a duel, I IP slap your face with my glove.

You got the nads for that sonny? Or are you just a fat leftisit asshole on the puter, or a lady with too many cats?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (oSUAu)

265
248 Nobody in Jersey says Joisey.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 30, 2012 11:27 PM (O80gU)


That's because all the Spray-on-tan that they use limits muscle movement and doesn't allow their mouth to make the proper shape to say it that way.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (GULKT)

266 Is Hillary gonna have surgery on her hangnails?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:30 PM (NIZHJ)

267 Apologies. EU Times seemsto be a joke website or something. Ignore my last post....about Clinton & Seal.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 30, 2012 11:30 PM (0JB89)

268 261 Annnnd that's bed for me. Play nice.
Posted by: alexthechick -f u autocorrect at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (Gk3SS)




Wow. Rip on me all night and not even a word.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:30 PM (IvVLN)

269 Sadly, it'd be par for the course for the left...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:27 PM (Vk2pI)


I think that's a "consensus position."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:30 PM (bxiXv)

270 Remember Jihad Jane?
http://tinyurl.com/an37y7g

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (t9Q9e)

271 Redskins RB Albert Morris 33 carries, 200 yds, 3 TDs

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (8sCoq)

272 Despite the fact that the minx.cc comment section might not be the best working on the internet I am SUPER GRATEFUL to Ace for providing us with such a good space to BS.

Ain't It Cool News bit the bullet and switched to Disqus which rapes you for every last piece of info and I honestly believe it should be considered a security threat. It's why I block it. So now half the reason I go to AICN is dead to me now. And that sucks. Bunch of fuckin' retards over there but some damned funny retards.

So thank you, Ace, for this non-rapey space. Bless you, sir, and your minions.

Posted by: Robert at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (LUnTP)

273 Seattle at Washington next week. Ought to be a doozy.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (BVkEs)

274 You welcome CraigPoe.

And Zooey, you say some of the most interesting things.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (t9Q9e)

275 Aaaaaaannnnnndddddd time for me to get ready for woik.

Good night, ONT!

Posted by: Robert at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (LUnTP)

276

BCochran1981: YOU'RE hurting?


I had my condo windows replaced, so it was time to re-do the rest ...

Trip to Home Depot ... I had to buy curtains ... Martha Stewart ...

Posted by: Arbalest at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (ni/qK)

277 That does make me feel better. Did any Ravens get their legs broke?

Unfortunately not.

But at least we only have to wait another 3 months before Joe Flacco starts mouthing off again about how " elite" he is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (tOvyV)

278 Ah, Tony Romo! Well done lad. I knew I could count on you!! Heh!!!

Posted by: puddleglum at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (15w2J)

279 And Zooey, you say some of the most interesting things.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (t9Q9e)




She speaks?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (IvVLN)

280 Do they come with inside information and stock tips?

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (NIZHJ)

281 Counter-productive and destructive? Sounds good! It's for the children!

- Libtards as a whole

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (S+/pH)

282 Alfred Morris

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (8sCoq)

283
Is it just me, or is Betty White the most annoying old woman in America today?

A woman that old has earned the right to be so.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (+9AX9)

284 270 Remember Jihad Jane?
http://tinyurl.com/an37y7g

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (t9Q9e)


"Unwavering faith?" "She told the truth?"

Fuck MSNBC with a rusty post-hole digger. They write paeans to terrorists and call Republicans monsters.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (bxiXv)

285 Unfortunately not.

But at least we only have to wait another 3 months before Joe Flacco starts mouthing off again about how " elite" he is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:33 PM (tOvyV)




I want injuries. Spontaneous "Theisman's" all across the field.

Buncha fuckin thugs.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (IvVLN)

286 The government could just freeze the accounts and grab the assets of any and all persons who ever bought a gun, went though the background check, was ever a member of the NRA or other pro-gun organization, or ever uttered strong pro-gun sentiments. They just have to give a short warning to turn Quisling... or else.
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:11 PM (Vk2pI)


Yeah. Back an armed man into a corner. Go for it. Even better make a show of it, like the government is want to do. Open warfare would be the result.

There are tens of millions of people that believe in the precepts put forth in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. They may be currently outvoted at the ballot box by those Alexis DeTouquville warned us about in 1835, but they won't be outvoted from the rooftops.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (ial2b)

287 the last time I did the "consensus position", I pulled a muscle in my lower back...but that was a long time ago

Posted by: AltonJackson is looking for a Glock 17... at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (JMmQ9)

288 >Seattle at Washington next week. Ought to be a doozy.


Posted by: CraigPoe at December 30, 2012 11:32 PM (BVkEs)


Shit just got real

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (8sCoq)

289 Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (oSUAu)

I was being serious. You really do have to love a town where a dad can avenge his daughter's rape. They make good beer too.

Posted by: no good deed at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (mjR67)

290 Go fuck yourself, Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: RG3 at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (IvvrO)

291 Something to distract you from being in NC BCochran.
http://tinyurl.com/bkc6qrt

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (t9Q9e)

292 I think many of you are unreasonably concerned with gun confiscation. That doesn't seem a realistic possibility, given the current state of the law. Worry about restrictions on gun sales and more onerous licensing procedures. That could happen.

Posted by: Jordan at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (Hz1zc)

293 This Redskins-Seahawks matchup might be what it takes to get us to visit DC during the reign of Teh Won. Gah.

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (S+/pH)

294 291 Something to distract you from being in NC BCochran.

http://tinyurl.com/bkc6qrt

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:35 PM (t9Q9e)



SANTA MARIA!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (IvVLN)

295 A lot of holes will be filled.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (NIZHJ)

296 258 Some hereare trying to rationalize their cowardice and surrender. Fuck the Constitution: fighting topreserve it wouldn't be "practical". And from the graves of millions before us who died defending it so that you can lie down and let it die and figure out a rationalization that would make you feel good about doing it, "**** you". Surrender before shots are even fired: lovely. Now try to convince others around you that your rationalizations are just being "practical". Being an enemy of the Constitution suits some better than others.


---------------

Serious question for those of you who have kids. Not grown children, actual babies through age 14 living in your house. How much immediate danger are you willing to put your young children in to avoid "surrender and cowardice". I am happy to support the second amendment in many ways, but knowing that the ATF seems to have little problem shooting 14-year-old boys in the back...well, I have a hard time seeing myself or most other normal, law-abiding parents of young kids running afoul. Sorry. That really is the practical thing at the front of my brain.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (b+8h9)

297 And a significant number of the troops, officers and agents take their oaths seriously. I doubt any such order would make it out of the room if it ever happened.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:28 PM (bxiXv)

That I do not doubt. There would be a fight between the oathtakers and the oathbreakers before it reached the civilian world.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (ial2b)

298 Buncha fuckin thugs.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:34 PM (IvVLN)

For all the shit the Patriots take, I still don't recall them ever having an unindicted co-conspirator to murder on their roster.

But maybe I missed that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (tOvyV)

299 295 A lot of holes will be filled.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (NIZHJ)



You don't say....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:38 PM (IvVLN)

300 Do you have pics or video of said dance?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:25 PM (IvVLN)


Well, not this particular dance, because my sister is in the room, and that would be weird, but I do have this:

http://pxlpl.us/eg7u

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:38 PM (uN27w)

301 Merovign, it is an odious piece. But it reveals how truly twisted she is. Not sure if her MSNBC cheerleaders realize that.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:38 PM (t9Q9e)

302
BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:00 PM

Maybe you could strain it through a loaf of bread.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 30, 2012 11:38 PM (+9AX9)

303 For all the shit the Patriots take, I still don't recall them ever having an unindicted co-conspirator to murder on their roster.

But maybe I missed that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (tOvyV)




Or a RB who spent a year in jail IIRC...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:39 PM (IvVLN)

304 http://pxlpl.us/eg7u

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:38 PM (uN27w)




That'll do laddie. That. Will. Do.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:40 PM (IvVLN)

305 These Bob Evan's mashed Taters will put you to sleep faster than a golf infomercial.

Posted by: Butters at December 30, 2012 11:40 PM (NIZHJ)

306 What was the joke about a football team?

Q: Why do they use a no huddle offense?
A: So some can avoid associating with known criminals and violating their parole.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:41 PM (t9Q9e)

307 I 'm out 'Rons. God bless you all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 30, 2012 11:41 PM (tOvyV)

308
292 I think many of you are unreasonably concerned with gun confiscation. That doesn't seem a realistic possibility, given the current state of the law. Worry about restrictions on gun sales and more onerous licensing procedures. That could happen.
Posted by: Jordan at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (Hz1zc)


Get lost you Obama cocksucking shitstain.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2012 11:41 PM (GULKT)

309 Night Bannion!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:41 PM (IvVLN)

310 Night Sean.

I guess BCochran liked that picture.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:42 PM (t9Q9e)

311 Demand A Plan - Demand Celebrities Go Fuck Themselves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 11:43 PM (Vk2pI)

312 How much immediate danger are you willing to put your young children in to avoid "surrender and cowardice".

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (b+8h9)


What do you think you'd be surrendering to, a bear hug?

Ask the question this way, what danger and risk would you be willing to face to prevent them from having to grow up as slaves?

Before you answer that, ask someone from Russia, China, North Korea, or Cuba.

I know it doesn't look much like it could happen here, wait until the money is worthless and the government is handing out AKs to gangs here instead of Mexico (OH WAIT, they already did - Operation Gangwalker).

Don't get me wrong, it's a horrible idea to fight back. It's just that the one and only worse idea is not fighting back.

The only sane solution is to never get to that point in the first place, because NOTHING good can come from it. Unfortunately, too many people are freaking crazy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:43 PM (bxiXv)

313 BC, you really are incorrigible

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:43 PM (S+/pH)

314 I guess BCochran liked that picture.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 11:42 PM (t9Q9e)



I responded!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:43 PM (IvVLN)

315 313 BC, you really are incorrigible
Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:43 PM (S+/pH)



On a good day. And I'm a very friendly drunk.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:44 PM (IvVLN)

316 Serious question for those of you who have kids. Not grown children, actual babies through age 14 living in your house. How much immediate danger are you willing to put your young children in to avoid "surrender and cowardice". I am happy to support the second amendment in many ways, but knowing that the ATF seems to have little problem shooting 14-year-old boys in the back...well, I have a hard time seeing myself or most other normal, law-abiding parents of young kids running afoul. Sorry. That really is the practical thing at the front of my brain.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (b+8h9)


Flip side of that is, how many in the ATF have children they are willing to sacrifice on the altar of their job, versus the right of the People to keep and bear arms.

Many of the men and women who fought for our independence were willing to put their children on the line, and did. Why should we be any different? How can we do any less? What is being proposed would disarm our children in the face of an ever more powerful government. Would you see them disarmed just when they need arms the most? Would you see them herded into camps? That is what happens to a disarmed populace. Time and time again; time immemorial.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:44 PM (ial2b)

317 Somebody in my dad's family traced the family tree once upon a time and found that we are related to Gary Cooper.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 30, 2012 11:44 PM (DoZD+)

318 New AK:

http://tinyurl.com/2vwegjs

They also announced about a month ago a number of new models to be sold in the USA. We will see.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 30, 2012 11:47 PM (+paCV)

319 Go skins!

Posted by: Y-not popping in at December 30, 2012 11:47 PM (5H6zj)

320 It's time for an abbreviated version of my Ray Lweis rant:

He grew up a thug, and as such hung around with thugs.
He was an extremely talented thug with the disciple to make use of that talent while still hanging out with thugs,

One of said thugs killed a man. He was there. He lied to the cops. These are all bad things.

He was charged with murder. The prosecutor dropped the charges, because the evidence showed he didn't kill anyone. (unlike other high profile murders, Duke lacrosse for example)

He realized that he could either be an NFL star, or hang out with thugs. Not both.

He chose NFL star, and by all accounts has lived a good life since.

Is he a "role model"? Not to me, but I don't have any role models not named dad. (well, maybe a few, but they all have the Medal engraved on their headstones)

But is he a bad human? No. He made bad decisions, but he fixed them. What more can you ask of a man?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:48 PM (uN27w)

321 At the very end of that Daily Kos article about banning guns, there's a poll.
As of a minute ago 88% say NO, No total ban in 10 years.
HAHAHAHAHAH ROFL. Those dimwits can't even get their own drones aboard with that one.



Poll
A total gun ban in the next 10 years?




YES!

4%
72 votes


No.

88%
1526 votes


Pie is delicious. Even raspberry. I was once told that raspberry was Communist pie.

7%
121 votes
| 1718 votes | Results | Vote

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 30, 2012 11:48 PM (NwTXA)

322 I think many of you are unreasonably concerned with gun confiscation. That doesn't seem a realistic possibility, given the current state of the law. Worry about restrictions on gun sales and more onerous licensing procedures. That could happen.
Posted by: Jordan at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (Hz1zc) [i/]

Shall not be infringed. Anything that infringes upon our rights is unConstitutional, no matter what a scum-sucking lawyer in a black robe says. Even nine scum suckers in black robes who golfed with enough politician whores to be appointed to the SCOTUS have not the power.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:49 PM (ial2b)

323 I know Judge! I think Teh Won would find Texas inhospitable should he try to take guns up around here. What say you?

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 11:49 PM (oEOlM)

324 There are plenty of leftists who would love to play revolutionary and would be willing to get their hands very, very dirty with people's blood.

Put on your big boy pants already. Sheesh...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 30, 2012 11:49 PM (opLk0)

325 Dammit. Barrel

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 30, 2012 11:50 PM (ial2b)

326 It's easy to read history and think that you wouldn't be herded into camps. I doubt the reality will be the same as in our imaginations. I think I'm a brave soldier, but I don't know what I would do in a sitch like that, because I've never been even close to that. None of us knows what we'll do when push comes to shove. Think about being hungry. Really hungry, where you will kill your neighbor for a few K-Cals. I think about this, often, and can't fathom it, but I've read history, so...

Posted by: kalneva at December 30, 2012 11:50 PM (S+/pH)

327 But is he a bad human? No. He made bad decisions, but he fixed them. What more can you ask of a man?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:48 PM (uN27w)




My friend, bullshit. He lied to the police. He lied to a court of law. Evidence seems to show that he made the effort to dispose of material evidence. (Blood soaked clothes.) He was present at a murder. He lied his ass off about said murder. Bad. Human. Being.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 30, 2012 11:50 PM (IvVLN)

328 I think we should fight about it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 11:52 PM (bxiXv)

329 so where is ncj? I need his tears

Posted by: The Dude at December 30, 2012 11:53 PM (tw6Ar)

330 The House and Senate Ag Committees announced today they had reached a deal to extend the 2008 farm bill (which expired in Sept.) for another year. This, it is claimed, will prevent milk prices from shooting up in January.

What isn't being talked about is that the deal will also fund other ag subsidies, and especially the biggest spend in the bill, food stamps. The House had previously proposed a cut in food stamp spending of nearly 10%. The deal still has to be approved by both parts of Congress tomorrow which is not a certainty in the House.

But we know they will fold. They always do.

Related is this article about EBT fraud:

Earlier this year, an owner and a cashier at Glenwood Food Corp. in Canarsie, Brooklyn, were arrested for ringing up bogus transactions... A federal sting found the bodega was recording phony purchases on EBT cards, handing customers about 70 percent of the amount in cash — and pocketing the rest. Goods were rarely exchanged in the scam, which defrauded taxpayers out of $985,000 in two years...

http://tinyurl.com/a9fbo2s (Director Blue)

There's more fraud discussed in the article.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2012 11:54 PM (ccXZP)

331 What do you think you'd be surrendering to, a bear hug?

Ask the question this way, what danger and risk would you be willing to face to prevent them from having to grow up as slaves?

Before you answer that, ask someone from Russia, China, North Korea, or Cuba.

------------

That's just it---a disarmed US is not China, and it's not slavery. It's shitty, it's horrible and remarkably less safe, but it's not (yet) China or Cuba; it's more like Australia or the UK. Which I don't want, but I don't think is a fate worse than death. If I had to be in the actual "surrender your guns or face an ATF raid" position, and there wasn't a safe way to get my kids out I don't know if I'd choose putting them in immediate danger over living in a country where there is going to be a higher rate of murders, and where the government will tend more toward tyranny, but where they'll probably remain alive and reasonably well into adulthood.

But, yeah, I think about things like this more than I probably should. I've thought about Cuba in particular and, while I'd put my child in immediate danger by putting him/her on a raft to Florida, I probably wouldn't put him/her in the sort of immediate danger we're talking about here---where the potential pay off is *maybe* changing the government's mind rather than escaping such a wretched government. I'd put myself in that sort of danger, but my kids under 14? I'm not sure.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:54 PM (b+8h9)

332 But is he a bad human? No. He made bad decisions, but he fixed them. What more can you ask of a man?
Posted by: DC in Towson at December 30, 2012 11:48 PM (uN27w)


That he tells the police who committed the murder.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2012 11:55 PM (GULKT)

333 Sorry. That really is the practical thing at the front of my brain.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (b+8h9)

Then you and your spawn will die on your knees. Your choice.

Posted by: Derak at December 30, 2012 11:56 PM (lkjWK)

334 Posted by: Jordan at December 30, 2012 11:36 PM (Hz1zc) [i/]

Please do go on....

Posted by: Gun owner in New Orleans at December 30, 2012 11:57 PM (sqp6o)

335 Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

Part I The Prison Industry, Ch. 1 “Arrest” (p13, The Gulag Archipelago, Collins 1974)

-Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 30, 2012 11:57 PM (6VmJO)

336 Reason Magazine had a good article on gun confiscation and non-compliance in Australia. 685,000 guns turned in total, 1.2 million Ruger 10-22s(a banned firearm)had been imported over the preceding decade. That's not including other firearm makes and models.

Posted by: Jerry at December 30, 2012 11:58 PM (4SKYj)

337 Flip side of that is, how many in the ATF have children they are willing to sacrifice on the altar of their job, versus the right of the People to keep and bear arms.

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Whoa, there, that side flips again. How many of us who are on the side of keeping guns would actually be willing to put ATF agents in that position? Given that everyone I know who owns a gun is a decent human being, I don't think there are many. And, the minute one did turn the tables on the ATF by targeting their children, it would be over.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:00 AM (b+8h9)

338 Thanks, GnuBreed, for the uplifting article to desprit me even more. The only silver lining I had was milk prices. Dairy farmers are paying so much for feed right now, thanks to ethanol, mainly, that milk prices will be going up anyway because there will be a lot of dairies going under. Not only feed, and other costs like trucking etc. But Obamacare is going to hurt a whole lot. I envision many smaller farms saying fuck it, and getting out with what they can salvage. Might be good for consumer beef prices, though, as they sell their herds.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:01 AM (S+/pH)

339 Then you and your spawn will die on your knees. Your choice.

Posted by: Derak at December 30, 2012 11:56 PM (lkjWK)


Lighten up there Francis.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 12:01 AM (XkotV)

340 BC, I had a longish response typed out, but I changed tabs and it got deleted. I blame pixy. Or booze.

I'm just not willing to condemn a man forever for a misdemeanor he committed in his twenties. YMMV, and obviously does.

Stand by for peace offering.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:02 AM (uN27w)

341 Evening 'rons and 'ettes, getting crushed in the ED tonight, leave some good comments for me to read later if it slows down.

Posted by: Conservative Crank, in work purgatory at December 31, 2012 12:02 AM (FqcJu)

342 Welcome to the last day of 2012 Morons. Glad I have you all to keep me sane.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:03 AM (JKNDp)

343
Do they really really want to come and get them?

http://tinyurl.com/aptrtud

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 31, 2012 12:03 AM (+9AX9)

344 340 BC, I had a longish response typed out, but I changed tabs and it got deleted. I blame pixy. Or booze.

I'm just not willing to condemn a man forever for a misdemeanor he committed in his twenties. YMMV, and obviously does.

Stand by for peace offering.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:02 AM (uN27w)



This is reason#123452 why we are internet friends.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:03 AM (IvVLN)

345 I think it is irresponsible to talk (post, comment) about shooting people

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 31, 2012 12:03 AM (8sCoq)

346 Is the weakest point in the supply chain the gun powder? Can it be modified to become inert remotely?

Posted by: Tilt-up Construction at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (I88Jc)

347 341 Evening 'rons and 'ettes, getting crushed in the ED tonight, leave some good comments for me to read later if it slows down.

Posted by: Conservative Crank, in work purgatory at December 31, 2012 12:02 AM (FqcJu)




A little blue will take care of that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (IvVLN)

348 98Z, I was just going to post that quote. I am currently working through the abridged version of "The Gulag Archipelago," which I recommend to all Morons, and it is sobering stuff.

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (E/6f0)

349 Whoa, there, that side flips again. How many of us
who are on the side of keeping guns would actually be willing to put ATF
agents in that position? Given that everyone I know who owns a gun is a
decent human being, I don't think there are many. And, the minute one
did turn the tables on the ATF by targeting their children, it would be
over.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:00 AM



A fed sniper killed vicky weaver while she was unarmed and holding a very young child. Why? They reasoned that she was the glue of the family.

They killed an unarmed women holding a child because she was simply in the way.

People won't give a fucking rats ass about the feds or their kids if thats the shit they are gonna pull in the future. Bank on it.

Posted by: Berserker at December 31, 2012 12:05 AM (FMbng)

350 #296

The real question is, fast or slow? On their feet or on their knees?

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:05 AM (kcfmt)

351 348 98Z, I was just going to post that quote. I am currently working through the abridged version of "The Gulag Archipelago," which I recommend to all Morons, and it is sobering stuff.

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (E/6f0)


Eh, people are only sober briefly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

352 The Gulag Archipelago
I love penguins!

Posted by: meeeeghan mccain at December 31, 2012 12:06 AM (jPVBi)

353 Derak, care to answer my question? Would you genuinely let your kid die rather than surrender your gun if, Heaven forbid, you were in a Waco/Ruby Ridge type situation?

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:06 AM (b+8h9)

354 Shit.


*little blue PILL

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:06 AM (IvVLN)

355 "This one time at banned camp..."

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:07 AM (E/6f0)

356 The death camps were built with the bricks of the refusal of "practical men" to fight against that which they knew to be evil. "Practical men" did and said nothing as the Jews were taken away since it wouldn't be "practical" to speak out or do anything against the Nazi predations. And "practical men" were and will be eager informers, since the resistance was so disruptive to the peaceful life the quislings promised themselves. Collaboration with the enemies of the Constitution is exactly what it says, and to hear it endorsed here is beyond the pale. Choose this day who you will serve.

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 31, 2012 12:07 AM (XDC0v)

357 Fuck 2012. Breitbart dying was the first thing. Then, a bunch of other shit. Culminating in the curiously dispeptic syndrome that I, and others, have suffered from beginning Nov. 6.
2013 will be better. Yes. It will.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (S+/pH)

358 BC:

http://pxlpl.us/ibpv

Truce?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (uN27w)

359 Anna links the best pics!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (doBIb)

360 The Washington Times has a writer, Emily Miller, that covers various gun related gubmint outrages as practiced in DC proper. Here's one link:

http://tinyurl.com/cudrt3c

This helps put a face on what some of TFG's 'reasonable restrictions' can easily turn into.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (ccXZP)

361 Lighten up there Francis.
Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 12:01 AM


that faint whiff of ozone and the barely perceptible hum should be warning enough...

Dude! You got your "æ" back!

Posted by: AltonJackson is looking for a Glock 17... at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (JMmQ9)

362 337 Flip side of that is, how many in the ATF have children they are willing to sacrifice on the altar of their job, versus the right of the People to keep and bear arms.

------------

Whoa, there, that side flips again. How many of us who are on the side of keeping guns would actually be willing to put ATF agents in that position? Given that everyone I know who owns a gun is a decent human being, I don't think there are many. And, the minute one did turn the tables on the ATF by targeting their children, it would be over.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:00 AM (b+8h9)


Yeah. Agents of the Security Apparatus would be fair game and open season. Families are an absolute no-no.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 31, 2012 12:09 AM (6VmJO)

363 I must admit the whole $8.00 milk thing slipped past me. I'm still trying to figure out how not authorizing the Farm Bill will cause milk prices to rise when most of subsidies for milk production involve a price floor, pushing up demand, and the feds buying anything that doesn't sell. What am I missing?

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 12:09 AM (mjR67)

364 I was just going to post that quote. I am currently working through the abridged version of "The Gulag Archipelago," which I recommend to all Morons, and it is sobering stuff.

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (E/6f0)


Second the recommendation. It should be mandatory reading for all students in secondary school.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 31, 2012 12:09 AM (Vk2pI)

365 Happy end of 2012. Just a little over 4 years untill we are shed of Obama and his minions, unless of cours he usurps the constitution and refuses to leave. Suddenly I'm depressed again.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:09 AM (JKNDp)

366 Posted by: Jones in CO at December 31, 2012 12:03 AM (8sCoq)

Agree. Don't know if the black helicopters or response time from FBI/USSS stories are to be trusted.

I'm not going to find out though.

Posted by: RWC- STaSS policy Centre at December 31, 2012 12:10 AM (sqp6o)

367 Whoa, there, that side flips again. How many of us who are on the side of keeping guns would actually be willing to put ATF agents in that position? Given that everyone I know who owns a gun is a decent human being, I don't think there are many. And, the minute one did turn the tables on the ATF by targeting their children, it would be over.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:00 AM (b+8h9)


Over..how? If the government is willing to burn children alive, and they have, why would you believe that the other side isn't willing to also. Or do you think the American Revolution was fought in neat lines along a well defined battlefield where everyone went back to their camps and had grog and song until it was time to fight again?

Both sides killed defenseless people, and yes, even babes in arms. Its war. Stuff happens. Or are you now marching on DC because our drone strikes have routinely killed children?

The moral high ground is nice to have if the media is on your side. But it isn't. It won't be.

But if you have the high ground on the battlefield... Well. Thats the place to be.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 12:10 AM (ial2b)

368 Ancient Mayan prophecy say world will end on 13-13-13. Beware.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 31, 2012 12:11 AM (BVkEs)

369 I just had multiple orgasms watching the redskins destroy the cowgirls on national tv.

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (/0056)

370 howdy


crazy time in US history.


I blame the BHO voters for this

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (jfSqj)

371
MORNING!!!!!
How goes things in the paper-mill?
(Full disclouser.......Johnny Walker Black.....and)

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (Pj/A8)

372 Sorry Maet. Will lighten up.

Its just that people want their cushy life and refuse to understand that there is true evil that will take it away. And they'll negotiate all the way until their blood runs in the gutter, astonished that it turned out that way. Astonished, even though history repeats, over and over and over again.

I saw a family of 4 just last week at the range.
Cutest looking little blondie girls and mommie I ever did see.
Requested a stool for the 10 year old so she could see over the counter
on the lane. And there little Annie Oakley fired away on her 22 long
rifle, hitting every target laid before her. Her little sister, all of
age 7, stood behind in awed silence as big sissy fired down range.
This family understands. They have empowered their little girls. I'll bet they're home schooled as well.That is one way to approach whats coming. Another way is to tremble in fear, hoping to be eaten last.
Jenny's choice.


Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (lkjWK)

373 BCochran, you're in NC this week? We should meet up.

Being your wife!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:13 AM (doBIb)

374 Bring

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:13 AM (doBIb)

375 2013 will be better. Yes. It will.
Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:08 AM (S+/pH)




It would have to be.




DC, that's pretty quality.


I offer this......

http://tinyurl.com/axyvr5p


NSFW

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:13 AM (IvVLN)

376 The coming Milk Wars of 2013 will be an udder disaster.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 31, 2012 12:14 AM (BVkEs)

377
I blame the BHO voters for this
Those SOB's make me madder than a midget with a
yo-yo.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 31, 2012 12:14 AM (+9AX9)

378 If electronics can be fried by an EMP, could a corresponding technique exist in the chemistry of munitions?

Posted by: Tilt-up Construction at December 31, 2012 12:14 AM (I88Jc)

379 If electronics can be fried by an EMP, could a corresponding technique exist in the chemistry of munitions?



Yes. Get them wet.

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:15 AM (doBIb)

380 348 98Z, I was just going to post that quote. I am currently working through the abridged version of "The Gulag Archipelago," which I recommend to all Morons, and it is sobering stuff.
Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:04 AM (E/6f0)



I read it during my first enlistment. Major eye-opener for me. I hated the scumbag sOvIeTs before then, but after reading that book, I honestly wanted them exterminated. I firmly believe that that book sealed the eventual fate of the uSsR.

Thank you Lord, for people like that. We have precious few now.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 31, 2012 12:15 AM (6VmJO)

381 The coming Milk Wars of 2013 will be an udder disaster.

There's no whey it will come to war.

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 12:15 AM (mjR67)

382 THE division champion Washington Redskins.

How bout dem apples.

Posted by: DaveA at December 31, 2012 12:16 AM (syEB8)

383 131
Let's also do liability insurance for singles who have sex, so in
case

of pregnancy they don't have society foot the bill for their little

bastard.[/]
If we register dicks, then only dicks will have
registers... or something like that anyway.


I'll register my dick when they unwrap my cold, dead hand from it....

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 31, 2012 12:16 AM (dmEoV)

384 Having been in three countries that were in or recently having gone through revolution I have no interest in seeing one here. The government has more and better equipment than individual citizens. Would our military draw down on our citizenry before denying orders from the government? I don't think so. There are better ways to fight for our freedoms.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:17 AM (JKNDp)

385 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:13 AM (IvVLN)


Very nice. Except,and I hate that I noticed this, get your damn booger hook off the damn bang switch!

On the bright side, boobehs. And a hard body to go with it.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:17 AM (uN27w)

386 I just had multiple orgasms watching the redskins destroy the cowgirls on national tv.
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (/0056)
---------------------------------------------------------
DUDE! No way in hell I can settle into sleep just yet. I am psyched. Great day of football today. Redskins are icing on the cake.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:17 AM (jucos)

387 I'll register my dick when they unwrap my cold, dead hand from it....
Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 31, 2012 12:16 AM (dmEoV)


Don't you mean when they unhook the belt buckles?

Posted by: buzzion at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (GULKT)

388 Well, the precedent is now set. The Gov. CAN compel you to buy insurance. We know that much.

Posted by: navybrat at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (BzGtc)

389 363
From what I gather, I could be wrong, but the subsidy doesn't expire. The calculation reverts to its original from 1949 and forces the price of delivering a gallon to be based on 1949 farming methods. In other words the Feds will subsidize milk at the cost of delivering the gallon by hand and will by law set the floor at that price. In 64 years these spineless shits couldn't update the original law to reflect farm modernization. Easier to pass a yearly fix and keep the dairy lobby's donations coming in. Why the hell are dairy farmers so special? The Chinese and chileans killed our apple farm by price gouging and no one in Washington even answered the phone.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (gkfSV)

390 336
Reason Magazine had a good article on gun confiscation and
non-compliance in Australia. 685,000 guns turned in total, 1.2 million
Ruger 10-22s(a banned firearm)had been imported over the preceding
decade. That's not including other firearm makes and models.

Posted by: Jerry at December 30, 2012 11:58 PM (4SKYj)

Sounds like a lot of boating accidents happen in Australia.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (Zd/NW)

391 >> The coming Milk Wars of 2013 will be an udder disaster.

I don't know Jack about this news, but i'll find some whey to skim it.
I'm sure it will make my stomach churn.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 31, 2012 12:19 AM (O80gU)

392 The coming Milk Wars of 2013 will be an udder disaster.
Coward.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 31, 2012 12:19 AM (jPVBi)

393 338 kalneva,

In my write-up. I predicted that the milk price supports would remain in place (along with all the other crap stuffed into the farm bill).

But this is the battle that conservatives lose every time ANYTHING gets proposed to be cut. It's always kick the can farther down the road. That's always the 'solution'.

Sigh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 31, 2012 12:19 AM (ccXZP)

394 @Truck Monkey: VIKINGS!!!

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:20 AM (E/6f0)

395 In the Gulag, either have a spoon or starve. There is no middle ground or mercy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:20 AM (t9Q9e)

396
377
"COHHFFFF........SPITTLE...you owe me a keyboard.....sir!!!!

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:20 AM (Pj/A8)

397 Very nice. Except,and I hate that I noticed this, get your damn booger hook off the damn bang switch!



Yeah, I know. But I'll be honest, I didn't really make it past "boobs".

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:20 AM (IvVLN)

398 370 howdy


crazy time in US history.


I blame the BHO voters for this
Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:12 AM (jfSqj)


They're a byproduct of what's to blame.

Posted by: RWC- STaSS policy Centre at December 31, 2012 12:20 AM (sqp6o)

399 I call dibs on the middle one.

http://pxlpl.us/1hxl

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (uN27w)

400 But this is the battle that conservatives lose every time ANYTHING gets proposed to be cut. It's always kick the can farther down the road. That's always the 'solution'.

Sigh.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 31, 2012 12:19 AM (ccXZP)
-----------------------------------------------------
That road is getting rather short. Not much can kicking left and the whole thing shits the bed. What can't go on, won't. We'll see how this all plays out soon.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (jucos)

401 AZ Hi, do you seriously know anyone who you think would be willing to kill a child solely because that child's father is an ATF agent? Is this person also Timothy-McVeigh-crazy?

I'm not talking about dropping a bomb in a legit war and shit happens; I'm going from where you led---an ATF agent being forced to choose between his job and his child being "sacrificed on the alter of gun confiscation".

Maybe I'm nuts, but I do think that the right side is not near as willing to kill their innocent women-and-children countrymen as the wrong side.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (b+8h9)

402 EC, OSP found that web-site earlier. Just posted another from there. But thanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (t9Q9e)

403 There are better ways to fight for our freedoms.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:17 AM (JKNDp)


Definitely. Too bad only a handful of madmen and malcontents actually do them.

We don't have an economic model for radical reform, they do. There are large number of people who work as a solid bloc and many of them are paid by the government to push their agenda, and do it in their spare time.

We don't have anything like that.

And I agree with you, revolutions are horrible and almost never produce anything but horror. I wouldn't expect another one to.

But we're experiencing a slow-motion revolution now, and we don't have a plan to deal with that, so the other side is winning. The schools, the media, the bureaucracy, the economy.

We have radio shows and blogs.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (bxiXv)

404 Ah, okay, I see now. Thank you, Exasperated Expat, that makes sense. Well, it makes no sense at all, but now I understand.

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 12:22 AM (mjR67)

405 We just had a get together with our neighbors and a Christmas gift exchange. As a joke, knowing how much I can't stand the jugearred f**k in the Whitehouse, one neighbor gave me a deck of Obama cards. I am having trouble figuring what to do with them. You really can't wipe your ass with them after a health dump. Much like Obama, they wouldn't be much good. There is a lot of snow on my deck so my dogs, being sissies have been crapping on the deck rather than walking out into the yard. Those cards would be good for scrapping dog shit off my deck when the thaw comes. Any Morons or Ettes have any suggestions?

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM (JKNDp)

406 @392 Talk about weaning them off the government teat. Milk that for all it's worth.

Posted by: comatus at December 31, 2012 12:24 AM (qaVK+)

407 Ohio Dan, put the cards on eBay. There has to be an O-bot who wants to use some of their government dole on them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:24 AM (t9Q9e)

408 I call dibs on the middle one



Her doc fucked up her belly button. Other than that, pretty fit!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:24 AM (doBIb)

409 [
401 AZ Hi, do you seriously know anyone who you think would be willing to kill a child solely because that child's father is an ATF agent? Is this person also Timothy-McVeigh-crazy? I'm not talking about dropping a bomb in a legit war and shit happens; I'm going from where you led---an ATF agent being forced to choose between his job and his child being "sacrificed on the alter of gun confiscation". Maybe I'm nuts, but I do think that the right side is not near as willing to kill their innocent women-and-children countrymen as the wrong side.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (b+8h9)


Perhaps you should begin by ending your shoving words into other people's mouths. Since it seems very obvious to me that you have taken what people say would be a response to what would happen, and claiming they would do it as a first action.

Posted by: buzzion at December 31, 2012 12:25 AM (GULKT)

410 Any Morons or Ettes have any suggestions?
Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM (JKNDp)


let it burn?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:25 AM (jfSqj)

411 Don't you mean when they unhook the belt buckles?
Posted by: buzzion at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (GULKT)

It's real....and it's spectacular?

Posted by: Ezzi Klein at December 31, 2012 12:25 AM (sqp6o)

412 Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM (JKNDp)

Kindling.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:25 AM (uN27w)

413 384
This is true. Peru and Chile were able to come out with something better but they are the exception. When it comes to that type of thing when bad stuff starts your culture and civilization are already gone. Better to hold back the flood as long as you can in the hopes if a tipping point in your direction. This is why anyone on the right side in power anywhere should stand on principle to at least slow it down. So what if you are called names on tv they were gonna do it anyways might as well have your self respect. What do you call a republican congressman with half a brain? Gifted.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 31, 2012 12:25 AM (gkfSV)

414 Anna Puma (+SmuD) , But would getting $5 or $10 be as satisfying as a picture of Obama with a freshly thawed dog turd on it? I don't think so. You are being WAY too practical.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:26 AM (JKNDp)

415 Sorry, Gnu, for not getting the whole thing. The gubmint needs to get the blank out of all this shit. Why has it ended up this way? Rhetorical.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:27 AM (S+/pH)

416
I was just thinking....where will the SCFOAMF build his GULAGS?
There is that land out in the deserts where we once trained our troops back in WWII.....that would be the perfect affront to America in her decline....ya think?.....He would do that.....

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:27 AM (Pj/A8)

417 Her doc fucked up her belly button. Other than that, pretty fit!
Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 12:24 AM (doBIb)


Yeah, but the one on the left has pointy elbows, and the one on the right has fat knees. So, by process of elimination....

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:28 AM (uN27w)

418 389
363

From what I gather, I could be wrong, but the subsidy doesn't
expire. The calculation reverts to its original from 1949 and forces the
price of delivering a gallon to be based on 1949 farming methods. In
other words the Feds will subsidize milk at the cost of delivering the
gallon by hand and will by law set the floor at that price. In 64 years
these spineless shits couldn't update the original law to reflect farm
modernization. Easier to pass a yearly fix and keep the dairy lobby's
donations coming in. Why the hell are dairy farmers so special? The
Chinese and chileans killed our apple farm by price gouging and no one
in Washington even answered the phone.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 31, 2012 12:18 AM (gkfSV)


The problem is -- like so many other problems -- the gov't screwed the pooch on the first iteration (New Deal), got bailed out by WWII rationing, then threw a bandaid on it in 1949, then passed a "temporary fix" in a farm bill, which "temporary fix" was extended by the "Bush Tax Cuts [and assorted congressional pork]". So now when the "temporary fix" is ended, things don't go back to a free market (which would work), but instead to the latest fix to the socialist garbage that was temporarily overridden by WWII.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 12:28 AM (kaalw)

419 353
Derak, care to answer my question? Would you genuinely let your kid die
rather than surrender your gun if, Heaven forbid, you were in a
Waco/Ruby Ridge type situation?

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:06 AM (b+8h9)

Sorry, didn't see this earlier. Tough question. My child died at 3 months, so I'm not sure I'd like to see that happen at an older age either. Rips the heart out with a spoon, over and over and over again. Never ends.

Ruby Ridge happened in my "neighborhood" so to speak. The ATF was at fault, was rouge, and the Weaver family was literally ambushed by the federal government, shooting both Vicky and their son with sniper fire for a trumped up weapons charge trying to get them to turn evidence on the Neo Nazi compound at Hayden. Which, by the way, he had very little knowledge of. At the age of 30? Perhaps I would relinquish, I'd be happy to surrender and hope they didn't beat my and my families brains out like they did in Cambodia.
At the age of 50? I'd hoped I'd educated my kids to the point where they could make a choice. Free? or Slave.
You make a good point. I would conclude that because of it, we will be disarmed come next November.


Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 12:29 AM (lkjWK)

420 I see that I am the number 3 sock puppeter for last week. Well, I start a job on Wednesday so that should cut into my sock puppeting..... I hope.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:29 AM (jucos)

421 Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM (JKNDp)

Don't you have a dartboard? Or you could use them as noisemakers in your bicycle spokes. Or deposit them in various public urinals.

I'm really trying to help.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 31, 2012 12:29 AM (ccXZP)

422 OhioDan, why not a compromise? Scrape up the shit, then put them on e-Bay. One way or the other, someone will want that! I think you'll want to list those cards individually, too.

Posted by: comatus at December 31, 2012 12:30 AM (qaVK+)

423 buzzion, where did I claim it would be a first action?

But, bleh, this is definitely depressing. I started off with the fact that I don't think my children's lives are mine to put into immediate danger, and AZ brought in ATF agents kids. Here:

362 337 Flip side of that is, how many in the ATF have children they are willing to sacrifice on the altar of their job, versus the right of the People to keep and bear arms.


But, if I read that wrong, I apologize. I am grumpy and a little too prone to thinking of weird hypotheticals tonight. I'm going to go look at cute doggeh videos for a while and hopefully be more fun.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:31 AM (b+8h9)

424 #331

You need to learn more about the people who make up this administration. It isn't China or Cuba but it is a definitive step along the way. And there aren't that many steps once the government believes it enjoys an exclusive on coercive force.

Take a good long look at the people who raised and mentored Obama, and look at the miasma of murderous intent in which his beliefs were brewed. These are the hard core of the left that was pushing for a violent overthrow of the government throughout most of the 20th Century. Towards the latter half of the century they realized they could achieve their goals better by slowly infiltrating and replacing the government.

Leftist Hollywood has made HUAC to be the greatest home-grown villain of all time but rarely do they mention that many of those brought before Congress were in fact Communists and many in the pay of Moscow. (If Voldemort in the Harry Potter books was smarter he'd have spent decades subjecting the magic using community to books and movies decrying the terrible persecution of Death Eaters.)

Do you get annoyed at the prospect of being made to pay for other people's birth control? Well, Obama's science advisor, John Holdren, has gone much farther than that. He wrote a book advocated that the government forcibly administer birth control to the population at large and require licenses for having children.

There are now people in high office, in very high appointments, or just with access to those people, who once thought it acceptable to openly calculate how much of the US population would need to be killed outright to reach the state of government they thought preferable. Obama announced his first run for political office in the living room of such a person.

Look at the last 70 years and note all the incredibly bad policies that have become SOP for our government. All of this was push for by leftists playing a long game. Every time we give an inch they're already at work taking the next inch.

At some point you run out of space to retreat.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:31 AM (kcfmt)

425 I was just thinking....where will the SCFOAMF build his GULAGS?
There is that land out in the deserts where we once trained our troops back in WWII.....that would be the perfect affront to America in her decline....ya think?.....He would do that.....

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:27 AM (Pj/A


Well...

Posted by: Snake Plissken at December 31, 2012 12:31 AM (Vk2pI)

426 Any Morons or Ettes have any suggestions?

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM




Float them in the bowl, piss on them till they sink.

Posted by: Berserker at December 31, 2012 12:31 AM (FMbng)

427 Any Morons or Ettes have any suggestions?

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:23 AM (JKNDp)

Clothes Pin them on your bicycle wheels. Think of the nepalese prayer flags. Everytime they smatter on the spokes, a prayer is said for the messiah. All the while making mincemeat of the visage. Tttttttwhapwhapwhap.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 12:32 AM (lkjWK)

428 Maybe I'm nuts, but I do think that the right side is not near as willing to kill their innocent women-and-children countrymen as the wrong side.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (b+8h9)

Umm, if they are willing to kill my children or loved ones, they are no longer my 'countrymen.'.

If they are willing to play 'total war,' as will I.

But don't forget, i hold very little power. The onus is on them to step back. They will spark the match, then...

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2012 12:32 AM (sqp6o)

429

OT: I can’t believe it was “It Girl” Lena Dunham, who shoved the poor Hindu man under the train the other day. Wow. If I didn’t have the photographic evidence right in front of my eyes, I’d refuse to countenance such an horrific outrage. To think…this is the same young woman who published that quirky, heartfelt homage to the late passive-aggro monstress, Nora Ephron, in the esteemed New Yorker.
Heading off to jail:http://tinyurl.com/a3e34lc
Lena in happier (but still ratchet) recent times:http://tinyurl.com/bcgnqwb

Posted by: garycooper at December 31, 2012 12:32 AM (bZiwm)

430 A mass gun confiscation would be bad, nobody trusts Obamma.


some hot head would start shooting the confiscators

it would spiral out of control


some jurisdictions would not comply.

Many county and city Law Enforcement in rural areas would not comply


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:32 AM (jfSqj)

431 I honestly don't think mass confiscation will happen - anywhere near first on the list.

I think the plan is control through economic fear. Then, after several years of depression, do some buy-backs and various other schemes.

*Then* you see how many are left and plan from there.

Basically, if people weren't idiots we wouldn't even be having this conversation, so anything's possible.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:33 AM (bxiXv)

432 SME moron recently posted a link to a free kindle version of "gulag archipelago". I closed the tab without bookmarking, like a jackass.

Did anyone sve the link?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:33 AM (uN27w)

433 I'm out. Goodnight Rons and Ettes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 31, 2012 12:33 AM (IvVLN)

434 Gun confiscation, ha. They got 6 million illegals they can't find. This administration couldn't find their owncollective asses.

Posted by: Jerry at December 31, 2012 12:34 AM (4SKYj)

435 where will the SCFOAMF build his GULAGS?
Wisconsin. A massed moovement will be required to stop it.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (jPVBi)

436 I'm really liking the urinal thing.So far that's the top of my list.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (JKNDp)

437 418
So true we are being destroyed by a regulatory regime created in response to a crisis that happened 83 years ago and has been functionally over for at least 65 if those. We are so screwed. Something this simple couldn't be fixed in over five decades then we have no prayer of ever paying a dime on our actual debt.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (gkfSV)

438 Since Dick Clark is dead who are they gonna get to announce the balls dropping in NYC?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (O80gU)

439 They can't find the illegals because they don't want to find them.

Hell, the illegals routinely hold *parades* demanding amnesty. They aren't hard to find. They give TV and newspaper interviews.

Obama and Holder want to find your guns.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 31, 2012 12:36 AM (ZPrif)

440 Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (JKNDp)


do a Glenn Beck and put them in a jar of piss?


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:36 AM (jfSqj)

441 I mean, who will be willing to remove them from the urinal even if they voted for the asshole? I'm thinking they will get pissed on till the morning shift comes in.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:36 AM (JKNDp)

442 And Jenny, if your children's lives are yours to make critical decisions about, than who does?

How many families in place like Germany and China ended up packed in trains to places from where they'd never return, because the parents felt they couldn't resist while the children could be threatened?

Don't fool yourself. These are those kind of people. They've just learned to turn up the flame slower when it comes to boiling a frog.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (kcfmt)

443 Since Dick Clark is dead who are they gonna get to announce the balls dropping in NYC?

Well, Hillary is incapacitated. Maybe, Michelle is available.

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (mjR67)

444 I'm really liking the urinal thing.So far that's the top of my list.
Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (JKNDp)
----------------------------------------------------------
Obama urinal cakes. That way Obama could actually serve a purpose too. Install them and take pictures.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (jucos)

445 Derak, I'm sorry to hear about your child. I think we understand each other better now. I, too, hope and pray that my kids will make the same choice I would with regards to safety and liberty...but while they are still kids (and mine are only 6-11) I don't think that those of us who would put our kids' safety ahead of some of our principles are necessarily cowards. Like, when Randy Weaver did surrender for his surviving kids' sake, he wasn't being a coward. And then the "ATF kids" thing came up and I can't resist bait...

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (b+8h9)

446 At some point you run out of space to retreat.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:31 AM (kcfmt)


Long past gone, my friend.

In a way, I'm kind of glad I didn't know that until later. I can imagine how I would have turned out if I had known that since I was little.

But some of the clues were there, I thankfully didn't add them all together until later.

When I was a kid, they were using "Delphi techniques" and "change agent" training to manipulate children and control behavior in schools. Not to educate, not to give people tools to be better in life, but for another agenda - a false utopian vision, a desire for power and control.

I grew up around these people. They really did that. Even now, if you talk about it, you're a kook, no matter how many of their own words you shove in people's faces.

Too. Stupid. To. Live. Free.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:38 AM (bxiXv)

447 AZ Hi, do you seriously know anyone who you think would be willing to kill a child solely because that child's father is an ATF agent? Is this person also Timothy-McVeigh-crazy? I'm not talking about dropping a bomb in a legit war and shit happens; I'm going from where you led---an ATF agent being forced to choose between his job and his child being "sacrificed on the alter of gun confiscation". Maybe I'm nuts, but I do think that the right side is not near as willing to kill their innocent women-and-children countrymen as the wrong side.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:21 AM (b+8h9)


Here is where you don't get it, ma'am. The ATF agent confiscating guns today guarantees your grandchild's enslavement. A disarmed populace has always ended up under the heel of totalitarianism. This has never been not true. So, you are willing to trade that ATF agents children's lives for your own grandchildren being shot in the back of the head at the edge of a ditch?

You live in the now. Its okay if we give up our guns now, because we don't have a totalitarian government. Yet. But you are willing to give up essential freedoms to make yourself feel better, and disregarding what will happen in the future. You are willing to gamble with their future in order to make yourself feel better.

Do I want that to happen to their kids? No. A million times, no. But if they make that choice, will it happen?

For my four current grandchildren, a million times yes. I will fight and die so they do not have to. I swore an oath to defend the US Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.

Oh, and what is your definition of 'legit war'? Because I would be most inerested to know.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 12:38 AM (ial2b)

448 I would conclude that because of it, we will be disarmed come next November.


Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 12:29 AM (lkjWK)

All my guns sank on a boat....the Maine.

Posted by: BignJames at December 31, 2012 12:38 AM (HtUkt)

449 Ohio Dan: Glue the cards, face-down, onto the windshields of liberals. THEN piss on them.

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:39 AM (E/6f0)

450 Apologies for my crappy typing in my last. I would blame pixy, but that was all vodka.

Night, BC.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:39 AM (uN27w)

451 OhioDan, there are always those clinging shit stains on the side of the toilet bowl that could be scraped with your Obama cards. I also like the earlier suggestion of urinal targets at public places.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:39 AM (S+/pH)

452 414
Anna Puma (+SmuD) , But would getting $5 or $10 be as satisfying as a
picture of Obama with a freshly thawed dog turd on it? I don't think so.
You are being WAY too practical.

Posted by: Ohio Dan saying adios 2012 at December 31, 2012 12:26 AM (JKNDp)


Carry them with you and leave one every time you encounter a bad scene. Someone didn't curb their dog? Obamacard! Roadkill? Obamacard! Overflowing stopped-up toilet at the mall? Obamacard! Gives you 52 chances to change people's mental associations with the SCOAMF.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 12:40 AM (kaalw)

453 438
Since Dick Clark is dead who are they gonna get to announce the balls dropping in NYC?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 31, 2012 12:35 AM (O80gU)

The balls will all be under 16oz, can't break the law in Nanny Bloomberg's NY!

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 31, 2012 12:40 AM (Zd/NW)

454 Like, when Randy Weaver

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (b+8h9)

I don't think the Weaver scenereo is a valid data point when we are talking about the Kos Kids fantasy football leage of gun bans and their war on NRA members.

In Idaho 2 or 3 homes have a firearm in them on average




Posted by: Jake in ID at December 31, 2012 12:42 AM (jfSqj)

455 Don't fool yourself. These are those kind of people. They've just learned to turn up the flame slower when it comes to boiling a frog.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (kcfmt)


Ayers wanted to murder 25% of the population, and he now designs curricula for your children. And the casual numpty suburban lefties stick their fingers in their ears and hum real loud and keep voting for his buddies.

And he was one of many. I've known others, smug academics and journalists and bureaucrats with a plan for your life (or death, if you don't play along).

But they wear normal clothes and live in your neighborhood and play catch with their dog, so they Can't Be That Bad.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:42 AM (bxiXv)

456 All my guns, likewise, got lost in a boating accident. I would tell the feds Molon Labe. I will not life a finger to help the feds nor would I willingly give my guns up. I am so fucking tired of this nanny state bullshit that I could just explode. These out of control socialists lording over us right now need to be stopped.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:43 AM (jucos)

457 : Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 30, 2012 11:37 PM (b+8h9)

So you would prefer they be slaves to a pack of Marxist jackals?

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at December 31, 2012 12:43 AM (xFzXS)

458 So, I see that some of you are attempting to get your arms around the "Grand Plan" for the next four years. Sad to say, your 8 years behind the curve and you will have nothing left but to flame the whole thing in place and attempt a "DO-OVER".......this, in and of itself, will be very....very.....BAD....yet the future with the SCFOAMF trying to get a 3rd term......you be the judge......OH!!!....HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!........not

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:43 AM (Pj/A8)

459 "Gun confiscation, ha. They got 6 million illegals they can't find."

[Commercial start]

Behind me lies the great Hoover Dike, a project so complicated that only the government can build it.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 31, 2012 12:43 AM (I88Jc)

460 Night, morons. Happy 2013 if I don't see you.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 31, 2012 12:44 AM (uN27w)

461 Are the Obama cards big enough that you could cut a hole in each ones mouth? If so, they could make a great piss target.... it's even a better idea than the urinal cakes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 12:45 AM (jucos)

462 Hey Cthulhu did you approve the use of your name on these boots?
http://tinyurl.com/bkuzo3p

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:45 AM (t9Q9e)

463 Behind me lies the great Hoover Dike, a project so complicated that only the government can build it.

Posted by: Rachel Maddow at December 31, 2012 12:43 AM (I88Jc)


I should play Fallout New Vegas. Maybe I'll check back when it crashes, should be about an hour. Fuckin' Bethesda.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:46 AM (bxiXv)

464 52 Obamas in a piss jar. Sounds like an NEA grant there.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:46 AM (t9Q9e)

465 Overheated-rhetoric much, kidz? You really think you are going to be "disarmed," this year? Pliss. This government will be trying to fund the most basic services for the next few years, not going uber-commando against its own bestcitizens.Get a grip, on your pistol-stocked semi-auto huntin' rifle. Then take a nap, 'cuz tomorry night's gonna be a humdinger.

Posted by: garycooper at December 31, 2012 12:48 AM (bZiwm)

466 epobirs, I think my kids' lives aren't mine to put in danger for the benefit of my principles. I think most people feel the same, honestly. In Cuba, you see people risk their kids' lives if there is a chance of getting *out* and I'd do that.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to say that I'd do literally anything for my country, my principles, my (and your) freedom...but if I'm being 100% honest I think I'd put my kid first, thinking mostly in the short term. Yeah, if the soldiers were coming to take my kid to a camp where I thought she'd probably live a life worse than death, I'd be willing to go out in a blaze of gunfire with my kid or slip her a pill---but other than that, I live in hope. I think most parents are similar, and that's a major reason why there wouldn't be the sort of revolution/rebellion that some were talking about in the unlikely event that guns were confiscated. I genuinely wondered where the rest of y'all with young kids would stand. But, it is unlikely and here's hoping none of us ever have to make that choice.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:48 AM (b+8h9)

467 Gun confiscation, ha. They got 6 million illegals they can't find. This administration couldn't find their owncollective asses.

Posted by: Jerry at December 31, 2012 12:34 AM (4SKYj)


They know where we are already, Señor. How else could they remind us to vote for the Democrats and against you evil Anglo oppressors?

Posted by: Slowpoke Rodriguez at December 31, 2012 12:49 AM (Vk2pI)

468
Better to have a mag "IN" locked and loaded..than waiting for the "Mail-man."

jus sayin......

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 12:52 AM (Pj/A8)

469 466 epobirs, I think my kids' lives aren't mine to put in danger for the benefit of my principles. I think most people feel the same, honestly. In Cuba, you see people risk their kids' lives if there is a chance of getting *out* and I'd do that.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:48 AM (b+8h9)


Getting out *to where?* They were coming *here*.

here's hoping none of us ever have to make that choice.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:48 AM (b+8h9)


Well, I'll drink to that!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 12:53 AM (bxiXv)

470 Also, OD, make sure your relatives know to what use you ended up making of those cards. I have a story to relate re smug liberal in-laws, but won't go to the trouble if nobody's interested. I'm taahhrred! (Don't read that as retarded!) Think Hillary. Oh! Speaking of which... Hmmm... She always seems to be indisposed at crucial times, and can't recall shit.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 12:54 AM (S+/pH)

471 Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 12:37 AM (b+8h9)


You know, Maet makes a good point when he puts on the brakes.
It is all to easy to launch on some "anonymous" Jenny person who may not share the same understanding of history that I might. You're people just like me.

My apologies if I was harsh in delivery of my opinions. We all love our kids. We all hope they have the same care-free upbringing we who were born in the 60's did.
I'm afraid your generation has much more difficult choices coming down the pike. We are all searching for the proper approach to the future, it is difficult, daunting and wrought with fear. Good luck.

That said, I've lived a good life. My future is not of this earth, so they can't really do much to me. I'll fight until then. Or so I hope. I could crumple in fear. I may shock myself and find myself to be a wicked coward. We'll see soon enough , I suppose.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 12:54 AM (lkjWK)

472 #455

I know we've brought this up before but some here tonight might not have seen it:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266425/

I cannot recommend this movie enough. It is such a perfect example of the nice neighbor who'd be OK with murdering millions to achieve his goals.

This movie dramatizes the events of the Wannsee Conference in which the Nazi's Final Solution was laid out for various government officials. The conference was supposed to be for the purpose of devising a solution but the gears were already in motion and the plan delivered as a fait accompli. A done deal.

A large portion of the details were unknown for decades as all copies of the official notes were ordered burned. One copy was mislaid or secretly kept and discovered many years later. This brought out details that shocked many historians. But the part that really makes it horrific is after the conference, when we watch Adolf Eichmann (Stanley Tucci) go home to his lovely wife and enjoy the remainder of a pleasant day bicycling with her.

I have no difficulty imagining a modern version of the Wannsee Conference with various Obama appointees in attendance.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:54 AM (kcfmt)

473 People fleeing Cuba. Then there is the case of poor Elian. Janet Reno and the black clad SWAT unit sweeping into that house at night. To snatch the boy away from relatives and return him to his father so Elian can grow up to be a parrot for the fidel tyranny.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:55 AM (t9Q9e)

474 Oh, and Jenny Tries Too Hard , you seem to think that only bona fide saints should be allowed to prevail in war. It doesn't work that way. War is hell. Ask any who have been there. Even the saints become sinners.

But they win. And you enjoy the freedoms they have spent their blood for. Virginal chiorboys weren't the ones on the front lines in any of our wars. Rough men, ready to do the business at hand, were the ones that did it. Again and again.

History isn't words in your history book. People died horrible deaths to make it.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 12:55 AM (ial2b)

475 434 Gun confiscation, ha. They got 6 million illegals they can't find. This administration couldn't find their owncollective asses.
Posted by: Jerry at December 31, 2012 12:34 AM (4SKYj)

Probably already addressed, but do you think they want to 'find' them?

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2012 12:57 AM (sqp6o)

476 I'm out. Night, all!

Posted by: piercello at December 31, 2012 12:58 AM (E/6f0)

477 #466

Welcome to the pot. It's nice and warm now, and getting warmer. Eventually it'll go from hot tub temperature to cooking heat. But that time is so far off and right now it feels so good...

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:59 AM (kcfmt)

478 This government will be trying to fund the most
basic services for the next few years, not going uber-commando against
its own bestcitizens.Get a grip, on your pistol-stocked semi-auto
huntin' rifle. Then take a nap, 'cuz tomorry night's gonna be a
humdinger.

Posted by: garycooper at December 31, 2012 12:48 AM (bZiwm)

1.4 BILLION jhp ammo purchased by DHS in 2012.
Sleep tight.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 01:00 AM (lkjWK)

479 Heh, just noticed Loki has a minor role in 'Conspiracy.' Perhaps he was more than just a 'phone operator.'

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:02 AM (kcfmt)

480 Just wanted to drop by and say hi-and that I love everyone here writ large. I just argued with some liberal west L.A friends while on vacation. A doctor and a Fox Studio pair.

I didn't back down. These liberals are insane. On abortion they had the argument that we also slaughter animals.

And that a women's right to "choose" is paramount, yet the right of a church like the Catholic church doesn't exist concerning Obamacare on the issue of contraceptives and abortaficients.

And on gun control and Obama's support of rap stars and their incessant debasement of women and promotion of violence "has nothing to do with society."

We are in trouble.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:02 AM (TKpwb)

481 I'm sorry, but I don't think this adminstration has the collective IQ to accomplish anything. They try and fail and blame Republicans. They don't try and fail and blame Republicans. This administration is a bunch of ass-clowns.

Posted by: Jerry at December 31, 2012 01:03 AM (4SKYj)

482 http://youtu.be/EC7hN1ICc9Y

Might be appropriate.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:03 AM (t9Q9e)

483 #465

You're one to talk. This government has limited its spending on anything when? Do you really think they're going to hesitate to take some action against people they loathe because it would add to the deficit?

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:04 AM (kcfmt)

484 People fleeing Cuba. Then there is the case of poor Elian. Janet Reno and the black clad SWAT unit sweeping into that house at night. To snatch the boy away from relatives and return him to his father so Elian can grow up to be a parrot for the fidel tyranny.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 12:55 AM (t9Q9e)


Too many people don't know the history of that. And then the US.gov denied the agent pointed his MP5 at the poor kid, even after that infamous photo came out. Your lying eyes weren't seeing what you thought they were seeing, Comrade!

You would be amazed... or not, at the amount of fools that deny that happened.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:05 AM (ial2b)

485 I have no difficulty imagining a modern version of the Wannsee Conference with various Obama appointees in attendance.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 12:54 AM (kcfmt)


http://preview.tinyurl.com/agg67cw

They don't even mention that Holdren wanted forced sterilization for population control (not even that unusual a position in the academic world).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:06 AM (bxiXv)

486 You may want to be careful the next time you flick a cigarette butt out of your car window. It seems it leads to a very unreasonable search. I'm not a LEO, but something tells me you can't just go sticking your hands down someone pants because you suspect they may have marijuana on them. http://preview.tinyurl.com/d58g4j2

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 01:06 AM (mjR67)

487 Kratos - thanks for the email the other day.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:07 AM (TKpwb)

488 We are in trouble.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:02 AM (TKpwb)


Reminds me of one of my favorite Red vs. Blue quotes.

Sarge: "Could we file that under 'Shit I Already Know?'"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:08 AM (bxiXv)

489 #481

A destructive failure doesn't take a lot of brains. The left has always been run by idiots who embrace schemes that are doomed to fail because they simply aren't suited to any group larger than an extend family or large tribe.

But that hasn't stopped them from murdering tens of millions while trying out their ideas and having the results ignored by later leftists.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:09 AM (kcfmt)

490 They find who they want to find. That's all. It's a full-blown oligarchy. We're screwed.
But I still have faith in the thing that sets us apart from the rest of the world. I know we're all the same humans, but we Americans are the only ones who have enjoyed true liberty for our whole lives (until recently). For those of us my age and older, and some who are younger, this is embedded in our psyches, unlike any other people on the earth. I may be too optimistic, but I really do think there's a big difference. Like the great DP says: Liberty, In God We Trust, and E Pluribus Unum. No other country has had that, ever.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 01:10 AM (S+/pH)

491 Hitler was a failed painter. Stalin a failed seminarian.

Notice a pattern?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:11 AM (t9Q9e)

492 Rich Lowry - I like the hockey stick graphic. But I still say we should sell the hockey sticks to raise money for the Mann lawsuit.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:11 AM (TKpwb)

493 Happy 6th Day of Christmas to the Moron Horde ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylG_WMm3s6k

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:12 AM (9Qc6B)

494 Epo, you're right about destructive stupidity.

Posted by: Jerry at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (4SKYj)

495 Now to totally derail the thread and possibly kill it.
http://tinyurl.com/ar8ht8x

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t9Q9e)

496 #485

Holdren was the typical academic taking the wrong lesson from Plato's Republic. Nobody can say for sure if Plato was serious or making fun of his fellow philosophers who thought everything would be swell if there just granted absolute power, because after all they were the smarties who knew how everyone should live.

Holdren's vision is just Plato with early 70s technology woven into the narrative. Substitute climate change for overpopulation and you've got a quick update.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:15 AM (kcfmt)

497 Now to totally derail the thread and possibly kill it.
http://tinyurl.com/ar8ht8x

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t9Q9e)


You say that like it's a bad thing...

http://tinyurl.com/ar4m7l8

Posted by: The [Censored] Hat at December 31, 2012 01:15 AM (Vk2pI)

498 I may be too optimistic, but I really do think there's a big difference.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 01:10 AM (S+/pH)


I believe that is absolutely true. To what effect is the open question.

We certainly don't fit well into their plans.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:16 AM (bxiXv)

499 Paging Malthus, you got a few billion to murder just to make Ted Turner happy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:17 AM (t9Q9e)

500 Mervogin - the trouble I speak of is unfathomable.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:17 AM (VSfsH)

501 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t9Q9e)

Oh for gosh sakes. We're talking death and destruction and you trot out the jiggles?

heh. Good on ya.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 01:17 AM (lkjWK)

502 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t9Q9e)

Dammit! There goes my prepping for tonight.

Posted by: RWC at December 31, 2012 01:17 AM (sqp6o)

503 OK, I'm out

tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson is looking for a Glock 17... at December 31, 2012 01:18 AM (JMmQ9)

504 Oh goody I truly dropped a shiny and the Horde is distracted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:18 AM (t9Q9e)

505 Now to totally derail the thread and possibly kill it.
http://tinyurl.com/ar8ht8x


Not really.

On a thread like this one, we'll all sigh and realize that women that like nice things but can't afford them will simply sell their friends, family, co-workers, and former lovers down the river to get the nice things they deserve ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:18 AM (9Qc6B)

506 Epobbirs - bingo.

Posted by: Journolist at December 31, 2012 01:18 AM (VSfsH)

507 Ahm gone get mah gun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ2R7y97BDg

Posted by: BignJames at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (HtUkt)

508 499 Paging Malthus, you got a few billion to murder just to make Ted Turner happy.

---------

You mean being married to a horrible commie traitor doesn't make him happy enough? Well I am shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (b+8h9)

509 #491

Going back farther, Marx was a failed trust fund baby. He blew through not one but two inheritances that should have kept him comfortable for life. He spent much of his adult life dependent on handouts from followers to survive.

And this is the guy the Left thinks worked out the real deal on economics.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (kcfmt)

510 495 Now to totally derail the thread and possibly kill it.
http://tinyurl.com/ar8ht8x

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:13 AM (t9Q9e)


I don't get pictures like that. If I can't see her face, I don't know if she's ugly.

I mean, a nice body is a damned fine thing, but what if it's attached to Harry Potter's... sorry, I meant Rachel Maddow's head?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (bxiXv)

511 Anna,

You know us 'rons too well!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (doBIb)

512 486
I have been carrying almost-spent water bottles in the car for butts for a long time, after a friend of mine got pulled over after a passenger threw one out the window. Plus, keep in mind, they go after revenue, not criminals. (Footnote, I only smoke when I drink. Smoking's gross! But not when you drink.)

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 01:20 AM (S+/pH)

513 I mean, a nice body is a damned fine thing, but what if it's attached to Harry Potter's... sorry, I meant Rachel Maddow's head?
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (bxiXv)
--------------------------------------------------------
Butter face is a real boner killer.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 31, 2012 01:21 AM (jucos)

514 Butter face is a real boner killer.



That's what paper bags are for!

Posted by: EC at December 31, 2012 01:21 AM (doBIb)

515 Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (kcfmt)

Not only that but I do believe two of his children actually starved to death, neglected, while he ran around selling his satanic ideology.
What a dirty (literally) unkempt freak.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 01:22 AM (lkjWK)

516 Maybe this will make Merovign happy, even has a car in the picture.
http://tinyurl.com/afmocoo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:23 AM (t9Q9e)

517 #510

You can get a Spider-man mask really cheap at Toys R Us while they're between movies. Overlay the facial features of your choice.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:23 AM (kcfmt)

518 And just to finish it off, the Greatest Generation that won WWII dropped incendiary bombs on cities; they dropped nukes on two cities; killed hundreds of thousands of women and children. And they were right in doing so.

War is just that. Nasty. Brutish. And may the nastiest and brutish win. Because they always do. Regaerdless of what the leftist historians write.

Molon Labe.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:24 AM (ial2b)

519 Butter face is a real boner killer.


Maybe you could talk her into wearing one of these. http://tinyurl.com/cvyznug

Posted by: no good deed at December 31, 2012 01:25 AM (mjR67)

520
You, who have hadthis good life.....if you are not ready to sacrifice yourself to ensure that your children have the same if not better life than the life that was given up before you in the warspast by "THE GREATEST GENERATION!!" AND THE CURRENT GENERATION!!!
YOU ARE FAIL..most pathetic....and then some.......serious....no room for pussys now..we are not FRENCH...we are not BRITTON's...we are not CANUCKS or those other pathetic nations that are so far behind us that they NOT BE MENTIONED.........AMERICA the nation that ALL OTHER NATIONS look to and FEAR!!!...or respect at the very least. YET this SCFOAMF wishes to change that. I say, "TO HELL WITH YOU SIR!!"
The DIE has been cast.....step up or step off......simple! BUT STFU and be counted!

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 01:25 AM (Pj/A8)

521 There's always doggie style. Cheap and easy. No bag investment required.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 01:25 AM (S+/pH)

522 And this is the guy the Left thinks worked out the real deal on economics.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:19 AM (kcfmt)


It was never about the money, it was always about power and control.

I say that a lot.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:25 AM (bxiXv)

523 Ok, bye. Good luck, Jenny! Think I'll go watch the Wansee thingy. Thanks epobirs. I keep a running list of good books and movies to get in the future. That looks like a good one. Have a great rest of the evening, All.

Posted by: Derak at December 31, 2012 01:26 AM (lkjWK)

524 Marxism, a religious cult that has killed over 100 million and still adding bodies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:26 AM (t9Q9e)

525 #515

IIRC, it was Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto who said he named his dogs Marx and Engels because they were "German, hairy, and had no respect for private property."

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:26 AM (kcfmt)

526 If our culture is becoming more like a European one, maybe the more natural-looking breast implants will grace the future Julias.

Posted by: Optimistic Tilt-up Construction at December 31, 2012 01:27 AM (I88Jc)

527 Maybe this will make Merovign happy, even has a car in the picture.

http://tinyurl.com/afmocoo


Nope. Only members of the ruling class can afford automobiles ... as well as affording women who like nice things.

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:27 AM (9Qc6B)

528 How very sweet. Malthus was brought up whilst I was formulating a response.

How nasty and brutish of this fap of Morons.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:30 AM (ial2b)

529 'night 'night! You all are my sanity. Thanks.

Posted by: kalneva at December 31, 2012 01:31 AM (S+/pH)

530 107


I honestly believe that many of the far left would turn out to be
worse then Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler rolled up into one.


Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2012 10:44 PM (Vk2pI)

Really?! Awesome!! Where do I sign up?!

Posted by: Modern day Democrat at December 31, 2012 01:31 AM (T7gPe)

531 #522

But that is what money is. It isn't as coercive as being commanded at gunpoint but it is very powerful. Money represents work. Instead of exchanging goods or services for your own labor it allows you to instead offer somebody else's labor who has been recompensed by the same means.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:31 AM (kcfmt)

532 Good night Kalneva!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:31 AM (t9Q9e)

533 516 Maybe this will make Merovign happy, even has a car in the picture.
http://tinyurl.com/afmocoo

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:23 AM (t9Q9e)


I think her face is kind of plain, and her legs are regular cones. That's kind of weird.

I'll stick with Kate or Gemma.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:32 AM (bxiXv)

534 Or perhaps Merovign is into the whole naughty school girl look?
http://tinyurl.com/augyv56

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (t9Q9e)

535 #527

Heh, I'd never considered how to label a grouping of us. If asked I might have suggested a drool of Morons but fap is pretty damn good.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (kcfmt)

536 524 Marxism, a religious cult that has killed over 100 million and still adding bodies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:26 AM (t9Q9e)


Closer to 200 million.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (bxiXv)

537

A link for Anna:

http://rt.com/news/russian-noiseless-borei-submarine-106/

Posted by: Arbalest at December 31, 2012 01:34 AM (ni/qK)

538 524 Marxism, a religious cult that has killed over 100 million and still adding bodies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:26 AM (t9Q9e)

Closer to 200 million.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (bxiXv)


Meh. Amateurs.

Posted by: Xenu at December 31, 2012 01:35 AM (Vk2pI)

539 AZ, just to be completely clear---I GET that war is brutal and children die. Got it. We didn't start out talking about war, though, and children dying from bombs being dropped on their cities. We (or at least I) started out talking about Ruby Ridge-type situations as part of a rebellion/resistance domestically. I'm NOT, nor have I ever, said that Americans shouldn't go through with an act of war if a child would die because of it. What I was talking about was people putting their young children in danger in order to hold onto their guns if there were a confiscation order or similar---if it escalated to civil war, that'd be different. In either case, like the London parents you mentioned above, I would do my damnedest to get my kids out before shit hit the fan, but (thank you History Channel) a Randy Weaver type situation was at the front of my head and seemed to fit the scenario others were talking about, so that's what I was talking about.

But, to adress something said earlier, I don't think I agree that giving up guns today *guarantees* my children or grandchildren's enslavement, at least not to the point of giving up enough hope to justify young kids' immediate danger in many cases. I do live in hope, faith in God, and that's probably where our mileage varies, here. I don't think that the left lacks in evil---but I do trust that God in His goodness prevails over evil.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 01:35 AM (b+8h9)

540 Approx 70 million with Mao.
About 30 million with Iosef.
3 million with Pol.

Or are we lumping in the ones Hitler killed also?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:35 AM (t9Q9e)

541 Holy smokes! The abs on this one are incredible, especially for someone who hasn't gone the whole She-hulk route.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:36 AM (kcfmt)

542 Noiseless sub from Russia? Tovarich! Krazny Oktobyr!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:36 AM (t9Q9e)

543 http://tinyurl.com/a9tpqr5

The link would help, I guess.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:36 AM (kcfmt)

544 528 How very sweet. Malthus was brought up whilst I was formulating a response.

How nasty and brutish of this fap of Morons.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:30 AM (ial2b)
---

I dunno. I think Malthus gets a bad rap from Conservatives due to the crazies who have picked him up. If you read his original tract, you'll see an overriding concern for the erosion of a population's morals due to the dependence of individuals on the state.

Now that may be the same line of thought that got places like the Heritage foundation to cook up things like the individual mandate to force people into personal responsibility. So yeah, it's wrong. But it's important for us not to cede ground to the Liberals on matters like that.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 31, 2012 01:37 AM (Y5I9o)

545 IIRC, it was Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto who said he named his dogs Marx and Engels because they were "German, hairy, and had no respect for private property."

His "Money, Bank Credit, and Economic Cycles" was a piece of work.


That I am still working on.

But so far, rather on the mark.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:37 AM (ial2b)

546 534 Or perhaps Merovign is into the whole naughty school girl look?
http://tinyurl.com/augyv56
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (t9Q9e)
---

Nice bumper on that one.

The car's great, too.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 31, 2012 01:38 AM (Y5I9o)

547 Or perhaps Merovign is into the whole naughty school girl look?

http://tinyurl.com/augyv56


Comrade ... only children of the ruling class may go to safe and protected schools ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:38 AM (9Qc6B)

548 534 Or perhaps Merovign is into the whole naughty school girl look?
http://tinyurl.com/augyv56

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:33 AM (t9Q9e)


http://images2.alphacoders.com/204/204340.jpg

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:40 AM (bxiXv)

549 Is that your wallpaper Merovign?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:41 AM (t9Q9e)

550 http://images2.alphacoders.com/204/204340.jpg

That's more of the naughty Cleopatra look ... but to each his own ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:42 AM (9Qc6B)

551 So that's what eyeliner applied via a lump of charcoal looks like.

Posted by: Tilt-up Construction at December 31, 2012 01:44 AM (I88Jc)

552 #539

Well, if you want to bring God into it, I'll refer back to Genesis. There were two choices, Life and Knowledge. One meant an easy existence as an animal. The other meant awareness but having to overcome every difficulty by power of that awareness rather than expecting anyone to intervene on our behalf.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for divine intervention. The fact that I am capable of pondering the issue makes me responsible for my place in it. God may takes sides but there is little evidence of him taking action in recent centuries. That leaves this as a matter for humans to deal with for themselves.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:44 AM (kcfmt)

553 540 Approx 70 million with Mao.
About 30 million with Iosef.
3 million with Pol.

Or are we lumping in the ones Hitler killed also?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:35 AM (t9Q9e)


Hitker was a socialist but not a marxist.

China was closer to 100 million and they haven't stopped. We are guessing about Southeast Asia, I just guess a little higher than academics.

It's an open question how many forced or coerced abortions there have been in those Marxist utopias.

The numbers add up *very* quickly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:45 AM (bxiXv)

554 #528

Keep in mind, the Heritage proposal was intended to give Hillary a rope to hang herself. At the time it worked. What Obamacare contains is significantly different.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 01:49 AM (kcfmt)

555 549 Is that your wallpaper Merovign?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:41 AM (t9Q9e)


Not yet. Kate's still on the laptop, for the moment my gaming machine's startup is Beau Garrett from Tron Legacy (Gem).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:49 AM (bxiXv)

556 The numbers add up *very* quickly.

Africa is holding its own as well but many conflicts were Marxism frosted onto pre-existing tribal conflict cakes ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:49 AM (9Qc6B)

557 Rwanda-Hutu anyone? Have a machete.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:51 AM (t9Q9e)

558 Approach me with awe and wonder, mortals, for I am your future!

Posted by: Cliff Fiscal and I rule at December 31, 2012 01:52 AM (Ynbgq)

559 Africa is holding its own as well but many conflicts were Marxism frosted onto pre-existing tribal conflict cakes ...
Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:49 AM (9Qc6B)


Add a little toxic Islamic fundamentalism into the mix.

Also, they don't keep great records like the Nazis and Marxists do.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 01:53 AM (bxiXv)

560 My computers all have different wallpapers.
Desktop has a Type 82 Schwimmwagen named Thor parked on the grass under some ski-lifts.
Laptop has a still from Ah! Megami-sama!
Netbook, scanned in 35mm SLR pic of mine of an Italian village in a valley.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:53 AM (t9Q9e)

561 Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 01:35 AM (b+8h9) [i/]

Unfortunately, ma'am, you still think you can get your offspring out from under the Blitz, and they won't have to deal with the fallout. Because somehow you and yours are special. God does what He does, and not quite on your schedule.

But here is the thing. God has not shied from the killing of childern. At times he has demanded it.

But the reward has been free will. That has always been the goal. We determine our own Destiny. Our own Fate. That is the prize. And the price can be terrible. But it is always worth the cost.

Because we want our children to determine their own destiny. Not so that they should be bound by some desk jockeys' whim. Their own will.

Die for that? Why, yes. Yes I will.

Fight me for it? Try it, sweets.

I am skilled. And willing to die for it.

And you?

Not so much.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:54 AM (ial2b)

562 ____________________________________________________________


Argh.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:55 AM (ial2b)

563 Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:53 AM (t9Q9e)

dang!

I got the green background with the lady bug in the fore ground that came with the screen savers ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:55 AM (9Qc6B)

564 Opps. Type 82 is the Kubelwagen. Type 166 is the Schwimmwagen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:56 AM (t9Q9e)

565
Well,

A GREAT good night to my M++M's....sleep the sleep of KINGS!!

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 01:56 AM (Pj/A8)

566 Richard at December 31, 2012 01:56 AM (Pj/A

Good night, Richard,
Better tomorrows ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 01:57 AM (9Qc6B)

567 epobirs, neither of us is likely to change the other's mind about what God expects of us. I think, at this point, that He might expect prudence and I am heartened by the way that Catholic nuns and priests stepped in for others (Kolbe) and smuggled children away during war, so I think He expects bravery from adults as well. I will admit I'm not sure where He stands on a situation like I mentioned, or where anyone stands, and that's why I asked. But I think we're all over the map regarding which situation we're even talking about---WWII London or Cuba 1996 or Ruby Ridge (FTR, that's the only one I was talking about( or San Antonio 2014---so I dunno.

Whatever. If you would let your kid die because you think that's best for God and country, that's up to you. All I'm saying is that I'm not giving in to my own Internet-tough-lady and saying that I'd do anything but get my kids the hell out of dodge, even though I know it sounds shitty. Again, I hope we're neither one tested.

*proffers cake* But here is some delicious red velvet cake I am willing to share in peace, coward that I am. I'll hope that none of my kids try to sneak a piece, because it sure would make me look bad if I tore their heads off now after I just waxed about how I'd choose them over principles (Constitution is one thing; cake is another).

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 01:57 AM (b+8h9)

568 Adriane,

Right now thinking of scanning in more of my 35mm pictures. Clean them up and go crazy with CafePress. Plus do that with digital pictures of Hawai'i and Germany. Profit!!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:58 AM (t9Q9e)

569 I dunno. I think Malthus gets a bad rap from Conservatives due to the crazies who have picked him up. If you read his original tract, you'll see an overriding concern for the erosion of a population's morals due to the dependence of individuals on the state. Now that may be the same line of thought that got places like the Heritage foundation to cook up things like the individual mandate to force people into personal responsibility. So yeah, it's wrong. But it's important for us not to cede ground to the Liberals on matters like that.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 31, 2012 01:37 AM (Y5I9o)


I rather like Malthus. He understood what the human condition was, and was much like Dickens. Both knew the horrible underbelly of what was, and were most unafraid to write about it.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (ial2b)

570 Die for that? Why, yes. Yes I will.

Fight me for it? Try it, sweets.

I am skilled. And willing to die for it.

And you?

Not so much.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 01:54 AM (ial2b)


Um chest-thumping at a moronette doesn't really send the signal you probably intended.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (XkotV)

571 #559

One of the aspects of the AIDS plight in Africa that casts doubt on the claim of how widespread the disease is, is that the population keeps growing. Some researchers have found it very difficult to make the numbers add up and conclude somebody is lying about either the mortality rate or the population level. One paper I saw suggested that if the deaths attributed to AIDS and wars were not greatly exaggerated, the average birth in Africa would need to be triplets to explain the continuing population growth.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (kcfmt)

572 Laptop has a still from Ah! Megami-sama!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:53 AM (t9Q9e)


About a dozen of the wallpapers I cycle through are Ah! Megami-sama! ones. The Peorth ones are some of my favorites, though I'm partial to Sora Hasegawa.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at December 31, 2012 02:01 AM (Vk2pI)

573
566
Happy New Year my good and gentle Lady....

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 02:01 AM (Pj/A8)

574 epobirs - remember there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Leftists mangle them all with equal skill.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:02 AM (t9Q9e)

575 568
Adriane,

Right
now thinking of scanning in more of my 35mm pictures. Clean them up and
go crazy with CafePress. Plus do that with digital pictures of Hawai'i
and Germany. Profit!!!


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 01:58 AM (t9Q9e)


My wallpaper on this machine is a shot I took of Castle Crags with an 8 Mp hand-held camera, pretty similar to this pic -- http://tinyurl.com/ayzqv3a -- though I managed to get less of the tree on the left.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:02 AM (kaalw)

576 #567

Actually, what I'm saying is that the luxury of not making a choice is illusory.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:03 AM (kcfmt)

577 AZ, why do you not get that I'm talking about KIDS dying, not me? I really do think I'd put myself in danger for the Constitution if it came to it. My kids, however, are not me.

Lots of people DID get their kids out from under The Blitz. I hope and pray that I'd be one of them. And again, for fuck's sake, I was not talking about war but the police action that leads up to it.

But, cake for you too. Goodnight for now.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 02:03 AM (b+8h9)

578 Probably stills of Peorth shot from down low as she sits in her chair trying to manage Yggradsil while Belldandy, Urd, and Skuld are on Earth. Am I right?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:04 AM (t9Q9e)

579 Well, the precedent is now set. The Gov. CAN compel you to buy insurance. We know that much.

As conservatives we need to take advantage of this at the state level. Start compelling people to own guns, and impose taxes on anyone who doesn't and more taxes on anyone who doesn't maintain a concealed carry license. After all, if you aren't prepared to defend yourself, then you are freeloading off the rest of society who have to pay more for police to protect you.

The Second Amendment talks about a "well regulated militia"? Fine, then every male age 17-35 is now considered part of the state militia. Public schools are required to teach a year of weapons training, including use of a rifle, pistol and shotgun, as well as the basics of squad tactics. All men are required to attend a two month summer training session twiceduring their twenties.

Hell, require everyone to purchase "legal insurance" that pays the cost of an attorney if you are faced with a felony. That way the state doesn't have to pick up the cost of a public defender.

The list goes on and on...

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:04 AM (o1kXv)

580 Hey great post, I truly enjoyed reading it!
Thanks for the cool informative post.

Posted by: obat stroke at December 31, 2012 02:05 AM (g/yHo)

581 Whatever. If you would let your kid die because you think that's best for God and country, that's up to you.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 01:57 AM (b+8h9)


I just want you to look at what you wrote, look at what epo wrote, and see what you did.

If that's how you talk to people, don't talk to me.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 02:05 AM (bxiXv)

582 epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (kcfmt)

anecdotal ...

There was an interview with some charity workers who worked in Africa. They said it was common for the women they interviewed not to know how many children they had, nor even when they where born.

But they insisted ... many rural parts of Africa have only seasonal schedules for planting and harvesting so many people don't know the day of the week, et cetera.

This might explain the difficulties in record keeping ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:05 AM (9Qc6B)

583 571
#559

One of the aspects of the AIDS plight in Africa that casts
doubt on the claim of how widespread the disease is, is that the
population keeps growing. Some researchers have found it very difficult
to make the numbers add up and conclude somebody is lying about either
the mortality rate or the population level. One paper I saw suggested
that if the deaths attributed to AIDS and wars were not greatly
exaggerated, the average birth in Africa would need to be triplets to
explain the continuing population growth.


Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (kcfmt)


Or it suggests that natural resistance is rising in sub-Saharan Africa....meaning that it can repeatedly arise there in non-affected populations and repeatedly devastate non-Africans in 1st-world countries.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:06 AM (kaalw)

584 Probably stills of Peorth shot from down low as she sits in her chair trying to manage Yggradsil while Belldandy, Urd, and Skuld are on Earth. Am I right?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:04 AM (t9Q9e)


Not that low...

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at December 31, 2012 02:06 AM (Vk2pI)

585 Cthulhu, pretty nice image for wallpaper.

Here is one I already put up on CafePress.
http://www.cafepress.com/sufashop.560048529
Probably going to strike the whole political section of the store, the Go'auld System Lord Barack has won after all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:06 AM (t9Q9e)

586 Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:04 AM (o1kXv)

A KINDRED SOUL !!!!111!!!eleventy

I mentioned this plan to the hubby shortly after the ObamaCare ruling...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:08 AM (9Qc6B)

587 576,

I think we're talking past each other because I'm not sure I disagree about that. I think I'm being honest about the choice I would make, as much as I can be as it's a weird, distant hypothetical. But I'm getting sleepy and annoyed, so who knows.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 02:09 AM (b+8h9)

588 Search "The Black Book of Communism" if you haven't already...

Posted by: Uncle Jed at December 31, 2012 02:10 AM (AVfT8)

589 My wallpaper on this machine is a shot I took of Castle Crags with an 8 Mp hand-held camera, pretty similar to this pic -- http://tinyurl.com/ayzqv3a -- though I managed to get less of the tree on the left.

That is some seriously pretty mountains ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:10 AM (9Qc6B)

590 Good evening again.

Kinda sorta here.

Wondering if Cooth can see this.

http://tinyurl.com/bkfajz6

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 02:11 AM (4ixH5)

591 A KINDRED SOUL !!!!111!!!eleventy I mentioned this plan to the hubby shortly after the ObamaCare ruling...

Yup. Use their same tactics agains them and change the nature of the debate.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:12 AM (o1kXv)

592 *Pokes* Robert ...

offers to clean cooth's glasses in return for being eaten last ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:13 AM (9Qc6B)

593 Aawwwww Robert, he looks so forlorn in that drawing. Just want to hug him and cuddle him and rip the Heavens from the firmament just to make him happy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:13 AM (t9Q9e)

594 585
Cthulhu, pretty nice image for wallpaper.

Here is one I already put up on CafePress.
http://www.cafepress.com/sufashop.560048529
Probably going to strike the whole political section of the store, the Go'auld System Lord Barack has won after all.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:06 AM (t9Q9e)


There's a 30' x 30' overlook for that view at Castle Crags, with picnic tables and such. I'd bet that the web image and mine were shot within 25' of each other -- and, BTW, there's a far shot of Mount Shasta that's at about 120 degrees from this, over your right shoulder.

That's a pretty shot from Hawaii. The juxtaposition of the natural and man-made makes a nice hole for an anecdote to fall into.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:14 AM (kaalw)

595 NSFW ... language warning ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRlpRcorEU

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:16 AM (9Qc6B)

596 590
Good evening again.

Kinda sorta here.

Wondering if Cooth can see this.

http://tinyurl.com/bkfajz6


Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 02:11 AM (4ixH5)


Yeah, that's sort of how I felt on November 7, my 50th birthday.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:16 AM (kaalw)

597 oops ...

hat tip:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/160660/

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:17 AM (9Qc6B)

598 Well, I was sort of productive today. I fixed some loose legs on my table, did the dishes, and wrote approximately 5000 words for my short story. I even got in a cigar this evening. Life is good.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:18 AM (o1kXv)

599 *NABS* Adriane

*Ties her to New Years ball in Times Square*

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 02:19 AM (4ixH5)

600 my 50th birthday.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:16 AM (kaalw)

Now entering the stranger eons, ay?
Happy nearly two months belated birthday, Cooth!

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 02:20 AM (4ixH5)

601 No anecdote, I just thought that would be a great shot.

Well I might keep some of the political stuff up, like this bumper sticker.
http://www.cafepress.com/sufashop.519302960

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:21 AM (t9Q9e)

602 Since Dick Clark is dead who are they gonna get to announce the balls dropping in NYC?

Don't they have Ryan Seacrest doing it now? The guy always struck me as someone keenly interested in balls...

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:21 AM (o1kXv)

603 Um chest-thumping at a moronette doesn't really send the signal you probably intended.
Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 02:00 AM (XkotV)


Actually, chest-thumping isexactly what I intended.

I am a US Army vet. And my bride is a US Army vet. More than thirty years between us.

Chest thumping?

Earned it, cob-logger.

In spades.

How about you?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 02:21 AM (ial2b)

604 Wow Colorado Alex, another author of the Horde.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:22 AM (t9Q9e)

605 Wow Colorado Alex, another author of the Horde.

No, author implies published or at least some body of work. I'm just an amature working a couple of story ideas, that's all. I have three short stories that I want to write, then get edited and compiled into a book that I can publish online.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:24 AM (o1kXv)

606 600
my 50th birthday.




Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:16 AM (kaalw)

Now entering the stranger eons, ay?
Happy nearly two months belated birthday, Cooth!


Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 02:20 AM (4ixH5)


Thanks.

I was born on the 45th anniversary of the "Great October Revolution" in the USSR. I turned 50 with the knowledge that BHO was President-elect. I had hoped for something else.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:25 AM (kaalw)

607 Same boat as you Colorado Alex. Working on stories. Did you participate in the NaNoWriMo this past November?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:25 AM (t9Q9e)

608 601
No anecdote, I just thought that would be a great shot.

Well I might keep some of the political stuff up, like this bumper sticker.
http://www.cafepress.com/sufashop.519302960


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:21 AM (t9Q9e)


Nice.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:26 AM (kaalw)

609 http://youtu.be/Fjj4a3zB1ag?t=1m20s

Posted by: Tilt-up Construction at December 31, 2012 02:27 AM (I88Jc)

610 Same boat as you Colorado Alex. Working on stories. Did you participate in the NaNoWriMo this past November?

I did not. I've tried NaNoWriMo in the past, but it didn't work out well. Besides, I've been too busy with work and life to focus on writing anything recently. I've got a long weekend, so I'm hoping to get a jump start by finishing the first story, and then using the momentum to finish the next two.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:29 AM (o1kXv)

611 *Ties her to New Years ball in Times Square*

I like it ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFqZhadwvG0

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:29 AM (9Qc6B)

612 But, cake for you too. Goodnight for now.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 02:03 AM (b+8h9)


Yeah. Because you think cake will placate the suffering of my grandchildren.

How does 'no' sound. How does wake yourself up sound?

No, ma'am. The answer you are telling my grandkids to accept isn't acceptable.

Are you willing to face me across that small deadly space for it?

Or are you merely willing to send that poor ATF agent and his/her children in your stead?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 02:30 AM (ial2b)

613
Sorry for busting up again,

Did I state for the record.....
AoSHQ....has saved my life......and I am so very thankful...for him allowing me to remain here.

Happy New Year to you ACE!
No finer post than this, No finer people posting on any blog....ever!
I wish you ALL a very HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 02:30 AM (Pj/A8)

614 You have a good one Richard. Bed perchance to dream for me also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:31 AM (t9Q9e)

615 Good Night, Anna ...

happy photography ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:33 AM (9Qc6B)

616 #583

Except it didn't and was never likely to do so. Widespread heterosexual AIDS is pretty much unknown outside Africa. The few places that do see it are mainly populated by the descendents of African slaves and may be largely attributable to IV drug use. This goes back to the theory that those descended from survivors of the Black Plague are more resistant and require overt behaviors to become infected, namely certain sexual practices, sharing of IV needles, and unmonitored blood transfusions.

Remember back in the 80s when mass outbreaks of AIDS among heterosexual non-junkies were due Real Soon Now? This was the ultimate ploy by fundraisers to get members of the low risk majority to care. A more rational suggestion would have been that solving the AIDS puzzle would also provide a great deal of improved understanding of things nearly everyone could benefit from having in the medical arsenal. But that wasn't as compelling as a looming threat to everyone rather than a tiny subset of the populace.

It took a unique combination of events for AIDS to become a problem in the developed world. The two big ones are air travel and gay rights activism. Neither was necessarily a problem on its own but the combination allowed very promiscuous gay men to visit places around the world and bring back their infections to share long before they got ill. The man long regarded as Patient Zero was a airline attendant who visited Africa several times for his job and was known to be very active sexually. He was probably not the first infected person in the US but the promiscuity in a society that newly allowed it is what theoretically did the trick of creating a critical mass of infections.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (kcfmt)

617 May none of this shit ever come to pass, may our lives be boring.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (bxiXv)

618 And now for something completely different.
http://youtu.be/2K8_jgiNqUc

Adriane, got lots of 35mm pictures to sort through and decide what to scan. Fun!

Good night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (t9Q9e)

619

Seriously, AZ, thank you for your service. I think you're taking a hypothetical a little far, still not actually reading the scenario I'm talking about (did anyone but Derak answer the question I originally posed, about how much danger you would put your kids in, in a Ruby-Ridge type scenario) and sounding a little creepy (the cake is a joke, genius, everyone knows cowards don't give away cake) but if you and yours have served our country, you have my sincere thanks.

Incidentally waking myself up sounds horrible. Anyone want to post an insomnia cure? Something besides reading my own rambling; I'm immune to that. I just watched the adorable video of the great dane and the baby like 5 times, too...no dice.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 02:38 AM (b+8h9)

620
617
What's up with the pain brother? I'm already crying as it is........

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 02:40 AM (Pj/A8)

621 insomnia ... warm milk ... microwave a cup or so about 2 1/2 minutes ... sip slowly (change glasses and stir to avoid hot spots)

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:41 AM (9Qc6B)

622 May none of this shit ever come to pass, may our lives be boring.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (bxiXv)


Yeah. Interesting times, and all that.

We wish. The very fact our supposed brethern voted the Indonesian in for another four years bodes ill.

Gird your loins. At least the paste eating VP we have got that right.

Though not in the way he intended it.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 02:42 AM (ial2b)

623 What's up with the pain brother? I'm already crying as it is........

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 02:40 AM (Pj/A


Don't be sad, have a french fry!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 02:42 AM (bxiXv)

624
Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (kcfmt)


I have serious doubts about whether or not "AIDS" in Africa is truly just AIDS, or instead is AIDS +a combination of other diseases that simply aren't identified.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 31, 2012 02:44 AM (o1kXv)

625 Don't be sad, have a french fry!

Belgian Friites are very tasty ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:45 AM (9Qc6B)

626 Better stop dreaming of the quiet life

Cause it's the one we'll never know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfpRm-p7qlY

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:46 AM (kcfmt)

627 Better stop dreaming of the quiet life. Cause it's the one we'll never know

Nonsense ...

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/sior21ulslhe.html?utm_source=bingshopping&utm_medium=cse

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 02:50 AM (9Qc6B)

628
623
I fear this next term...yet I am no less a man!
There is fire within me that could make me a warrior...yet I try to keep my nature pure...a song I heard ....long ago....

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 02:51 AM (Pj/A8)

629 616
#583

Except it didn't and was never likely to do so. Widespread
heterosexual AIDS is pretty much unknown outside Africa. The few places
that do see it are mainly populated by the descendents of African slaves
and may be largely attributable to IV drug use. This goes back to the
theory that those descended from survivors of the Black Plague are more
resistant and require overt behaviors to become infected, namely certain
sexual practices, sharing of IV needles, and unmonitored blood
transfusions.

Remember back in the 80s when mass outbreaks of
AIDS among heterosexual non-junkies were due Real Soon Now? This was the
ultimate ploy by fundraisers to get members of the low risk majority to
care. A more rational suggestion would have been that solving the AIDS
puzzle would also provide a great deal of improved understanding of
things nearly everyone could benefit from having in the medical arsenal.
But that wasn't as compelling as a looming threat to everyone rather
than a tiny subset of the populace.

It took a unique combination
of events for AIDS to become a problem in the developed world. The two
big ones are air travel and gay rights activism. Neither was necessarily
a problem on its own but the combination allowed very promiscuous gay
men to visit places around the world and bring back their infections to
share long before they got ill. The man long regarded as Patient Zero
was a airline attendant who visited Africa several times for his job and
was known to be very active sexually. He was probably not the first
infected person in the US but the promiscuity in a society that newly
allowed it is what theoretically did the trick of creating a critical
mass of infections.


Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:35 AM (kcfmt)


I suspect we're talking a bit past each other......I'm cognizant of the PR hype of AIDS and the facts, and how much each has been pitched to poor effect -- I do, after all, live just down the road from SF. But I'm also concerned that AIDS is a fairly mutable retrovirus and that evolutionary pressures can thus cause rapid differentiation. Similarly, with high human reproduction rates and low levels of survivors, human evolution can also move quite quickly.....all of which is present in Africa.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 02:54 AM (kaalw)

630 #624

That is the charge leveled by those accusing the fundraisers of dishonesty. There are plenty of known diseases with similar profiles but are essentially unknown outside Africa. Which makes it very hard to get money from those in the developed world to work against those maladies.

So instead they invoke the old specter of widespread heterosexual AIDS and suggest it could burst out of Africa if we don't stop it there.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:58 AM (kcfmt)

631 Seriously, AZ, thank you for your service. I think you're taking a hypothetical a little far, still not actually reading the scenario I'm talking about (did anyone but Derak answer the question I originally posed, about how much danger you would put your kids in, in a Ruby-Ridge type scenario) and sounding a little creepy (the cake is a joke, genius, everyone knows cowards don't give away cake) but if you and yours have served our country, you have my sincere thanks. Incidentally waking myself up sounds horrible. Anyone want to post an insomnia cure? Something besides reading my own rambling; I'm immune to that. I just watched the adorable video of the great dane and the baby like 5 times, too...no dice.
Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at December 31, 2012 02:38 AM (b+8h9)


Ma'am, please don't thank me for my 'service'.

Too many times I have heard that from those that don't really mean it. I did it for a far different reason than those that 'thank' me.

I did it because I believe what our Founders said.


We are supposed to be free, and consequences be only upon those that earned them.

And that is the meaning of Liberty.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 03:01 AM (ial2b)

632 epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:58 AM (kcfmt)

And yet ... equally anecdotal ... many African persons are ashamed to be known as AIDS victims and afraid their families will be shunned postmortem and so deaths due to other causes are recorded...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:02 AM (9Qc6B)

633 AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 03:01 AM (ial2b)

Assuming lying and maliciousness on the part of your opponents is not arguing in good faith ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:04 AM (9Qc6B)

634
Why do people give Megan McArdle the time of day? She openly fapped to and voted for obama in 2008. Mandatory insurance is just another scheme to get their hands in our pockets.

Posted by: red at December 31, 2012 03:05 AM (ymJbM)

635 Chest thumping?

Earned it, cob-logger.

In spades.

How about you?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 02:21 AM (ial2b)


The ONT isn't the place for this. Play nice or leave.

Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 03:06 AM (XkotV)

636 Why do people give Megan McArdle the time of day?

Cause she's a serious journalist and you're not ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:07 AM (9Qc6B)

637 Assuming lying and maliciousness on the part of your opponents is not arguing in good faith ...
Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:04 AM (9Qc6B)


And assuming the good faith of your opponent is foolishness indeed.

Your point is what, exactly?

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 03:09 AM (ial2b)

638 Assuming lying and maliciousness on the part of your opponents is not arguing in good faith ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:04 AM (9Qc6B)


Rewriting other people to make them sound worse isn't either. I'd call it a fair fight.

Well, maybe "fair" is not exactly the right word. Matched?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 03:11 AM (bxiXv)

639 #629

I'm not worried about it. For AIDs to become something genuinely scary to the majority of humans also requires it to become something that is self-limiting or harmless. From an evolutionary standpoint, the best way for HIV to achieve universal infection rates is to take the same path as many other viruses that nearly every human is host to: become highly communicable and essentially harmless.

How do you have high human reproduction rates and low levels of survivors unless the infection rate is very low? If not for the gay liberation movement, AIDS might still be known as GRID or still be so obscure as to not have a press friendly name. Preserved samples from patients who died of mystery conditions as far back as the 1950s have been found to be HIV infected.

It took a major societal shift to make AIDS a thing known to all. We know how to stop AIDS from spreading: Don't fuck strangers. Don't share needles. Don't perform blood sacrifices without gloves. Etc.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 03:13 AM (kcfmt)

640 Mandatory insurance


exactly how is that gonna work?

Posted by: BignJames at December 31, 2012 03:13 AM (HtUkt)

641 630
#624

That is the charge leveled by those accusing the fundraisers
of dishonesty. There are plenty of known diseases with similar profiles
but are essentially unknown outside Africa. Which makes it very hard to
get money from those in the developed world to work against those
maladies.

So instead they invoke the old specter of widespread
heterosexual AIDS and suggest it could burst out of Africa if we don't
stop it there.


Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 02:58 AM (kcfmt)


Yup, except for the fact that widespread AIDS did burst out of Africa onto an unwitting 1st-world transport system and rampage the globe.

I'm not big on whether it hits gays or straights -- there's folks I love and adore -- and hate and despise -- on either side. I don't react much to transmission -- sex (gay or straight or nouveau), transfusion, spit, whatever....but it's there.

Imagine how everyone felt about the Black Death after they got the lifecycle down with rats and fleas....*whew!*. Too bad it could go pneumonic and bypass all of that. HIV is dangerous, period.



Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 03:15 AM (kaalw)

642 Your point is what, exactly?

Trolls are not welcome on the ONT.

Please do not act like one.

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:15 AM (9Qc6B)

643 Don't perform blood sacrifices without gloves.


Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 03:13 AM (kcfmt)

You know how to take all the fun out of ritual human sacrifice, Epo, thanks. :p

Posted by: Robert boils his ruby studded dagger of righteous damnation at December 31, 2012 03:16 AM (4ixH5)

644
629
I will state for you the fact that I was in FACT there in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 70's when AIDS made it's first showing. I will also state for the record that the BATH-HOUSES in San Francisco were the DE-FACTO GROUND ZERO SUPER INCUBATORS for AIDS and the then MAYOR MASCONE shut the bath-houses down because it was known that the gays were having up to 50+ per personsexual contacts PER NIGHT in said bath-houses.

I attest to this because I was in the medical field....the facts are in so much as the gay community wish to deny their history......FACTS!
I'm not a hater.......just wish the gay community would fess up to their history as they all know it to be true.

Posted by: Richard at December 31, 2012 03:17 AM (Pj/A8)

645 You know how to take all the fun out of ritual human sacrifice, Epo, thanks. :p

Oh come on ... he didn't specify what *KIND* of gloves now did he?!?

Posted by: Adriane reaches for the hose and tosses down some lotion ... at December 31, 2012 03:18 AM (9Qc6B)

646 The ONT isn't the place for this. Play nice or leave.
Posted by: Mætenloch at December 31, 2012 03:06 AM (XkotV)


Good eve, sir.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at December 31, 2012 03:18 AM (ial2b)

647 Richard at December 31, 2012 03:17 AM (Pj/A

And more impacting to the rest of us ... I wish Obama Care did not proudly divorce actions from consequences ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:19 AM (9Qc6B)

648 To a certain extent, AIDS is a disease of Collectivism. Nobody's behavior can be worse than anyone elses', because -- Progressivism!!! But treating everyone the same when there's a retrovirus transferred with certain behaviors is deranged.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 03:21 AM (kaalw)

649 Oh come on ... he didn't specify what *KIND* of gloves now did he?!?

Posted by: Adriane reaches for the hose and tosses down some lotion ... at December 31, 2012 03:18 AM (9Qc6B)

Ribbed?

Posted by: Robert >>_>> at December 31, 2012 03:21 AM (4ixH5)

650 <<_<<
>>_>>
<<_<<

Posted by: Robert >>_>> at December 31, 2012 03:22 AM (4ixH5)

651 Hhmmm...

Posted by: >_>> at December 31, 2012 03:22 AM (4ixH5)

652 Strange, that caused me name to dis'pear.

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:23 AM (4ixH5)

653 Well, maybe "fair" is not exactly the right word. Matched?

I honestly don't know ... I got more of an Reductio ad absurdum vibe from much of the back and forth.

As well as this unhappy flashback:
http://tinyurl.com/yakapm5

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:24 AM (9Qc6B)

654 Robert! you fool! return the transporter controls to their upright and locked position !!!!!

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:32 AM (9Qc6B)

655 Ah well ...

AIDS policies to the left of me ... Obama Care to the right ... here I am stuck in the middle tied to the New York Square New Year's Eve Ball ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:35 AM (9Qc6B)

656 Thanks a bunch, Robert ... It's freezing up here in Gnu Yolk Satay ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:36 AM (9Qc6B)

657 Ahem ... in preparation for tomorrow's Festay ...

10

9

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:37 AM (9Qc6B)

658 8

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:37 AM (9Qc6B)

659 7

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:38 AM (9Qc6B)

660 Dick Clark still dead?

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:39 AM (4ixH5)

661 6


I can hold my breath a really long time ... Can you name that Ted Dawson flashback?

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:39 AM (9Qc6B)

662 Cause, ya know, if he is, I'd be willing to make it a New Year's rockin' Eve.

I'd rock you so hard your face would melt.

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:39 AM (4ixH5)

663 Can you name that Ted Dawson flashback?

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:39 AM (9Qc6B)

Did he play with Dimmu Borgir?

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:40 AM (4ixH5)

664 5

4

What? Does Dick Clark look like General Franco to you?

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:40 AM (9Qc6B)

665 660 Dick Clark still dead?

-----------

Damn well better be.

Posted by: Ryan Seacrest at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (b+8h9)

666 3 ... 2 ... 1

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (9Qc6B)

667 How's this for a rockin' New Years?

King Diamond
Motorhead
Dethklok
Judas Priest
IRON FUCKING MAIDEN!

It all ends with Taylor Swift getting gang-banged.

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (4ixH5)

668 Happy ONT Everybody!!!!!

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (9Qc6B)

669 Adriane for the winnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (4ixH5)

670 Ah ha haha ha ha!

Posted by: evil ren hoek at December 31, 2012 03:41 AM (yBF/9)

671 #641

No, it didn't. The number of HIV infections in the US and similar countries was far less than the threat from other diseases. Once the blood supply was secured the real emergency was over. There would be no more Elizabeth Glasers infected by a transfusion and passing it on to her children during pregnancy, eventually killing all of them.

Once the blood transfusions became safe again, the chances of a heterosexual non-drug user becoming infected was exceedingly small.

Things like drug resistant tuberculosis are far more of a threat in that the chance of infection is far greater for the average person.

The Black Plague took out over a third of the European population. It created scenes we associate with apocalyptic movies where entire towns are completely deserted. AIDS at its worst was simply nothing like that level of threat. If it had just been needle sharing aka poor IV drug users it would never have become a big cause because it would have lacked a worthwhile celebrity body count and a highly affluent cadre of the Professionally Concerned to make it a big deal. There would have been a few heroin using rock stars succumbing but chances are most of them would OD and die of that before a disease was noted. (Who knows how many such might have been infected as it is?)

There are tons of nasty infectious agents out there and that is just the ones we know about. We can only estimate how many remain undiscovered.

You've likely read Richard Preston's books, The Hot Zone and Demon in the Freezer. If not, get them. They are great for inducing infectious disease paranoia and making you wonder how we ever made it this far. Ebola is an incredibly scary disease and we have no idea why a more virulent hasn't appeared and wiped out big swaths of humanity.

But I'm more concerned with those actively seeking to do me harm rather than the possibility of being felled by a natural occurrence. I can only do so much about the later by supporting research. Being concerned about the former is more a matter of personal responsibility.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 03:42 AM (kcfmt)

672 Eh. Whatever...

Posted by: indifferent ren hoek at December 31, 2012 03:42 AM (yBF/9)

673 Should old ONT's
be forgot
somethin' somethin'

*Hic*

*Makes smoochie faces*

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 03:42 AM (4ixH5)

674 It'll be another case of meet the new year, same as the old year.

Posted by: Cato at December 31, 2012 03:43 AM (K3c4q)

675 Night all.

Here's a little "Curl of the Burl" 'til the morrow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axYGughrZiU

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 31, 2012 03:44 AM (Vk2pI)

676 Things like drug resistant tuberculosis are far more of a threat in that the chance of infection is far greater for the average person.

C' diff ...

complements of unsanitary conditions in a hospital near you ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:45 AM (9Qc6B)

677 Should old ONT's
be forgot
somethin' somethin'


NO WAY, DUDE!!!!

That's what the archives are for ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:46 AM (9Qc6B)

678 That's what the archives are for ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:46 AM (9Qc6B)

...AND?!?!?!

Posted by: The Internet Wayback Machine at December 31, 2012 03:48 AM (4ixH5)

679 It'll be another case of meet the new year, same as the old year.

For all its misery, if the tax rates and spending would stay the same, I'd take it ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:49 AM (9Qc6B)

680 hi all
is anyone still up?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 03:49 AM (BBWjt)

681 676 Things like drug resistant tuberculosis are far more of a threat in that the chance of infection is far greater for the average person.

complements of unsanitary conditions in a hospital near you ...

------

Those hospitals will let anything in now. I was the big deal back before superbugs were, like, mainstream.

Posted by: MRSA, the hipster plague at December 31, 2012 03:50 AM (b+8h9)

682 okay, so the question is
should I open another bottle of wine or should I go to bed?
decisions decisions

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 03:50 AM (BBWjt)

683 The Internet Wayback Machine at December 31, 2012 03:48 AM (4ixH5)

Gonna Go Wayback ... Cave men ... Cave women ... Bertha Butt ... I'll Sock it to ya Daddy ...

OK, now I am hallucinating ... and showing my age all at the same time ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:50 AM (9Qc6B)

684 #645

At a guess, I'd apply the same rules as for condoms. Don't expect any material made from animal hide to be impermeable and prevent contact with skin or worse, breaks in the skin. Also, don't overestimate the size of your hands and end up with poor fitting gloves that fall off at a critical moment.

I've always been a bit put off by the very concept of sheepskin condoms. Seems like a gateway to bestiality. But then latex could be viewed as a gateway to RealDoll ownership.

Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 03:51 AM (kcfmt)

685 Open it.....it wont go bad.

Posted by: BignJames at December 31, 2012 03:51 AM (HtUkt)

686 BignJames YES I knew there was a reason I liked you

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 03:53 AM (BBWjt)

687 How many bottles have you already got open?

Posted by: otho at December 31, 2012 03:55 AM (yBF/9)

688 okay, so the question is
should I open another bottle of wine or should I go to bed? decisions decisions


You could do both ... May I suggest opening the bottle first?

You might fall asleep and stab your self with the bottle opener...

But, if you open the bottle first, you might spill some on the way to bed...

Dang! you're right. decisions ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:56 AM (9Qc6B)

689 Roses are red,
The checkbook is too,
Happy New Year's Eve everybody ...
I have sock but no shoes and the floor is freezing so my toesies are turning blue ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:59 AM (9Qc6B)

690 689 Roses are red,
The checkbook is too,
Happy New Year's Eve everybody ...
I have sock but no shoes and the floor is freezing so my toesies are turning blue ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:59 AM (9Qc6B)


So say we all...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 04:20 AM (bxiXv)

691 Good night, Adriane!

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 04:27 AM (4ixH5)

692 chemjeff-
680 hi allis anyone still up?

Yep. For a few more hours.

Posted by: RichatUF at December 31, 2012 04:32 AM (rJdKc)

693 Posted by: epobirs at December 31, 2012 03:42 AM (kcfmt)



Yeah, HIV didn't live up to the hype -- but is still a threat. Just like mad cow didn't live up to the hype, but is still a threat. They both involved behaviors shunned since the paleolithic that people thought "safe" because of "science".




Surprise, surprise.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 04:56 AM (kaalw)

694 Chemjeff!!! What are you doin' here? Don't you have better places to be....especially w/r/t TV, who is mad about you?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 04:57 AM (kaalw)

695 689
Roses are red,

The checkbook is too,

Happy New Year's Eve everybody ...

I have sock but no shoes and the floor is freezing so my toesies are turning blue ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at December 31, 2012 03:59 AM (9Qc6B)


Is that the freshly-painted floor, or another?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 04:59 AM (kaalw)

696 cthulhu I will be seeing TV tomorrow nite

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:06 AM (BBWjt)

697 696
cthulhu I will be seeing TV tomorrow nite


Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:06 AM (BBWjt)


With the hour being what it is -- are you doing the New Year's Eve thing with her, or are you talking about the next day?

In either case, what sort of event do you have planned?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:09 AM (kaalw)

698 TV?

Oh, The Velma?

I thought Jefe was buying a new TV.

So...it's serious between you two?

Kewwwwlll!

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 05:14 AM (4ixH5)

699 698
TV?

Oh, The Velma?

I thought Jefe was buying a new TV.

So...it's serious between you two?

Kewwwwlll!


Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 05:14 AM (4ixH5)


Chemjeff and Transylvania Velma are rapidly becoming an "item".

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:18 AM (kaalw)

700 Chemjeff and Transylvania Velma are rapidly becoming an "item".

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:18 AM (kaalw)


And We Couldn't Be More Proud!

I'm hoping to check back in a year or two and see talk of maternity leave!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 05:22 AM (bxiXv)

701
And We Couldn't Be More Proud!



I'm hoping to check back in a year or two and see talk of maternity leave!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 05:22 AM (bxiXv)


I'm thinking there are a lot of positive indicators here -- to start with, they're both nerds -- and she's willing to put up with him. That sounds like 80%+ right there.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:26 AM (kaalw)

702 Transylvania Velma?

I think I missed something somewhere.

No matter, I think it's awesome that Jefe has been, uh...itemized, for lack of a better term.

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 05:26 AM (4ixH5)

703 Wideload. You guys need to ease up, McFatty fat fat.

Posted by: Butters at December 31, 2012 05:27 AM (NIZHJ)

704 A few hours late to the party, but I fnally made it.

Re the issue of gun control and insurance; There are attorneys who are now specializing in gun law. Not Constitutional law attys, but rather those who specialize in the every day issues of gun ownership and they try to stay one step ahead of the grabbers.

One such atty is located here in Jax and has gained nationwide recognition: David Goldman of Apple Law Firm. He specializes in "gun trust" law. http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 05:30 AM (piMMO)

705 Man I had a weird dream. I was about to do stand up and I didn't have any material. So I was doing double double shots of Jack Daniels. Shots were only $1.50.

Posted by: Butters at December 31, 2012 05:31 AM (NIZHJ)

706 haha
well, TV is okay, yeah
she is willing to put up with me, that is a big plus
but she has self esteem issues of her own that is for sure
we'll see

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:32 AM (BBWjt)

707 702
Transylvania Velma?

I think I missed something somewhere.

No matter, I think it's awesome that Jefe has been, uh...itemized, for lack of a better term.


Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 05:26 AM (4ixH5)


She's actually from Transylvania, and superficially resembles Velma from Scooby-doo.....though you can't take that last too far, 'cause she's not a secondary character in a cartoon, she's a real person. And she seems to enjoy the attention Chemjeff is throwing her way, and is responding enthusiastically.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:33 AM (kaalw)

708 Dang it. I've missed the updates to CJ's live life.

It's good to find things looking bright and shiny.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 05:34 AM (piMMO)

709 Make sure TV keeps some of these on hand.

http://tinyurl.com/a57b5tx

Posted by: Robert at December 31, 2012 05:35 AM (4ixH5)

710 Uh, 'love' life

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 05:35 AM (piMMO)

711 but she has self esteem issues of her own that is for sure
we'll see

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:32 AM (BBWjt)


SOUNDS PERFECT!!!

(kind of kidding)

Maybe you will help, I hope. Sometimes people are happier in pairs, strange, I know.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 05:35 AM (bxiXv)

712 706
haha
well, TV is okay, yeah
she is willing to put up with me, that is a big plus
but she has self esteem issues of her own that is for sure
we'll see


Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:32 AM (BBWjt)


"I sent the club a wire stating, 'PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T
WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER'.
" -- Groucho Marx

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:37 AM (kaalw)

713 711 but she has self esteem issues of her own that is for sure
we'll see

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:32 AM (BBWjt)

SOUNDS PERFECT!!!

(kind of kidding)

Maybe you will help, I hope. Sometimes people are happier in pairs, strange, I know.

.......

Esteem issues can be caused by so many things, but a person allowing someone else to treat them well is a good step to recovery.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 05:39 AM (piMMO)

714 wow, it is late and I am a little drunk
anyway, TV is doing okay

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:45 AM (BBWjt)

715 714
wow, it is late and I am a little drunk
anyway, TV is doing okay



Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:45 AM (BBWjt)


How are YOU doin', CJ? It's you that's a fellow moron.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:47 AM (kaalw)

716 oh I am okay

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:48 AM (BBWjt)

717 716
oh I am okay


Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:48 AM (BBWjt)


Just okay? You've got a Transylvanian hottie succumbing to your personal chemistry, and things are just "okay"?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 05:51 AM (kaalw)

718 well, let me put it this way
she has had more orgasms than I have had
and that's all I'll say
now I'm going to bed
good night

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:53 AM (BBWjt)

719 anyway, TV is doing okay



Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:45 AM (BBWjt)

I have a 25...26...maybe 27 year old year old Quasar that my parents bought when I was a kid that has been in dire need of replacement for years. Despite all of its issues it still keeps going.
WAS planning on getting a Toshiba widescreen but...shit happens...
Huh? What were we talking about again?

Posted by: Robert ditzes out at December 31, 2012 06:00 AM (4ixH5)

720 Monument Valley -> Electra Glide in Blue. Probably Robert Blake's best acting performance and, by the way, he takes a bullet for the team. EGiB was hated by the Easy Rider "counterculture" fanboi club. Film critics labeled it fascist, authoritarian dreck.

Enjoy.

Posted by: 13times at December 31, 2012 06:01 AM (h6XiD)

721 718
well, let me put it this way
she has had more orgasms than I have had
and that's all I'll say
now I'm going to bed
good night


Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:53 AM (BBWjt)


I could see where this might be disconcerting, having long fought against the reverse issue......but it seems like a great starting point.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 06:01 AM (kaalw)

722 718 well, let me put it this way
she has had more orgasms than I have had
and that's all I'll say
now I'm going to bed
good night


......

Oh my!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 06:06 AM (piMMO)

723 EGiB.

http://tinyurl.com/ajyctry

5 minute clip

Posted by: 13times at December 31, 2012 06:07 AM (h6XiD)

724 Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 06:01 AM (kaalw)



And, of course, another Groucho opportunity (from http://www.metafilter.com/67902/The-One-The-Only-Groucho-Marx):





"My favorite anecdote about Groucho is him relating his trouble with
premature ejaculation to a close friend. His friend suggested Groucho
use a desensitizing cream to help. Next time the friend saw Groucho,
he asked him how the cream had worked. 'Terrible,' said Groucho. 'I
came putting it on.'"

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 06:11 AM (kaalw)

725 718 well, let me put it this way
she has had more orgasms than I have had

Posted by: chemjeff at December 31, 2012 05:53 AM (BBWjt)


Seriously, dude, too much info on the internet.

Also: DATING, UR DOING IT RITE!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 31, 2012 06:25 AM (bxiXv)

726 722
718 well, let me put it this way

she has had more orgasms than I have had

and that's all I'll say

now I'm going to bed

good night





......



Oh my!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 06:06 AM (piMMO)


Any advice as to how to fix this "problem"?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 31, 2012 06:30 AM (kaalw)

727
Any advice as to how to fix this "problem"?

......

It's only a "problem" for CJ!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 31, 2012 06:47 AM (piMMO)

728 Kind of pumped today. I had given up hope of finding another complete AR for my kid (Who loves my stag) and the M1A I have been wanting since forever. Went to my local gun store bought the Binelli M2 tactical, told them jokingly hey if you ever get an M1A let me know. put my name in their book. I go down to buy ammo for the M2 at Wallyworld a few miles down the road and get a call from Reds (The gun store I just left) I am there within 2 minutes swoop in and by a Stag Model 2. While Im there, Red comes in and I make some offhand comment about how I'd be in heaven if they just had the M1A. He tells me, well we just got one in at the North Store. I got them on the phone right then. So if things go as they should I have an M1A match tomorrow morning. Excited!

Posted by: BoGart at December 31, 2012 08:42 PM (Ugngr)

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730 this a test
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