Harry Reid, We're "Real Close" To Just Throwing In The Towel. McConnell: Maybe Joe Biden Can Help UPDATE: Senate GOP Cave On Chained CPI

Why would anyone think Reid and Obama want a deal? They are on the verge of total victory.

The GOP's only messaging argument is, the Democrats are meanies.

Mitch McConnell has a brillialnt idea! Call Joe Bidden for help.

McConnell came to the Senate floor and announced he’d reached out directly to the White House for help shortly after Democratic aides said negotiations between McConnell (R-Ky.) and Reid (D-Nev.) had suffered a “major setback.”

Reid said he was stepping back from the talks to allow McConnell and Biden to work.

In his floor remarks, McConnell said he had delivered his latest offer to Democrats shortly after 7 p.m. on Saturday but had not yet received a response. Now, he said, he was appealing directly to Biden.

This is just sad. Remember the Reid-McConnell talks were the result of the Friday session at the White House. Last I checked, Biden is part of the administration, if Obama wanted to be involved he wouldn't have dumped it on Reid and McConnell.

If Reid can't work out a deal with McConnell (again, why would he?), he simply brings Obama's $250K and up hike and the Unemployment Insurance extension up for a vote in the Senate. Then McConnell can filibuster it (or try to, enough GOP Sens might break to pass it) or let it go through on a simple majority vote.

Boehner being the genius he is has already promised to bring up anything the Senate sends over. So the Obama/Reid plan will pass with a majority of Democrats and enough Republicans.

Dems will win the policy fight and the GOP will be shattered politically .

Or....nothing passes and all this happens anyway on Wednesday and everyone can say they are "cutting taxes for 98% of Americans" by returning them to the level they were the day before and for the last 12 years. Yay!

The GOP bet last year Obama would lose reelection. Everything since he won has been about how the GOP wants to get its ass handed to it.

They should have never set up this cliff. The tea party demand of tying a debt hike to spending cuts set this in motion. That was iditotic considering the cuts are going to be mostly from defense and leave entitlements untouched. The mainline GOP accepted the two-year extension on the Bush cuts (it should have either been 1 year or 4 years. 2 years was the worst possible time frame).

As much blame as there is for the GOP the real villains here are the voters. Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide. There's simply nothing to be done about it now.

UPDATE: After the Reid/McConnell talks broke down both parties held caucus meetings. The GOP's just broke up and they immediately announced they won't seek to save any money from reducing Social Security cost of living adjustments (the chained CPI).

Of course.

And just like that GOP sens emerge from their meeting saying chained CPI is off the table, "a losing hand," McCain says.

Again, why would Reid/Obama cut a deal when they are getting everything they want?

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:01 PM



Comments

1 So throw in the FKN towel already, let it burn.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:03 PM (l86i3)

2 Obama won.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 30, 2012 03:05 PM (jPVBi)

3 B.U.R.N.itdown

Posted by: traye at December 30, 2012 03:06 PM (brOaM)

4 Chimichangas for breakfast ?

Posted by: grease monkey at December 30, 2012 03:06 PM (VSWPU)

5 Pass Plan C and go home.

Posted by: Huusker at December 30, 2012 03:06 PM (PaKLC)

6 They should have negotiated a PERMANENT extension of the Bush tax cuts in 2010 right after the mid terms up to $500K. One of the big sticks Obama had to beat Romney with was "tax cuts for the rich". A permanent extension signed by him would have taken that stick away for the election. And I think given the circumstance post 2010 Obama would have gone for it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 30, 2012 03:06 PM (HDgX3)

7 As much blame as there is for the GOP the real villains here are the voters. Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide. There's simply nothing to be done about it now.

Yep, BOHICA

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:06 PM (l86i3)

8 Oh yes there is.

McConnell needs to filibuster.

On the first day of the new Congress, Boehner needs to put forward a bill that is very simple:

1) Taxes revert to the Bush rates for everyone

2) $8 trillion in spending cuts over the next 10 years

That essentially returns us to where we were in 2008, makes the debt ceiling moot, and cuts taxes for everyone.

Have the CBO score it using the same assumptions they did for Obamacare, which allows double-counting, etc.

And then watch the Obama Party sh*t themselves as they figure out they can't pass a better bill.

At which point the GOP starts hammering the message, "We have a bill that cuts taxes, reduces the deficit, and brings spending under control -- and Obama and his bigoted ideologues are obstructing it."

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at December 30, 2012 03:08 PM (lUkFQ)

9 Divide and conquer..with the media providing cover the whole way.
GOP never had a chance-now let the voter have it...no lube.

Posted by: jjshaka at December 30, 2012 03:09 PM (PHZFs)

10


Can't talk, eating.
nom, nom, burp!
This is some good paste.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 30, 2012 03:09 PM (mETGQ)

11 Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at December 30, 2012 03:08 PM (lUkFQ)


Sounds like like a plan, and it would be great if half of the GOP were not self serving progressives.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:10 PM (l86i3)

12 Let it f'ning burn.Either way we lose. Of course this was obamas plan from the start....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 30, 2012 03:11 PM (9+ccr)

13 Just Vote Present and be done with this!

Posted by: Waingro at December 30, 2012 03:13 PM (+k7pf)

14 Time for another big ass march on washington.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:13 PM (l86i3)

15
I agree 100%.

I have to admit, though, that I was fooled by the Dems; I never thought they'd actually push us over the cliff, but it's clear now that was their intent all along.

Posted by: sanity at December 30, 2012 03:15 PM (RVjIg)

16 So far, North Dallas 30, Post #8 has the best idea.

I did payroll for next week Friday because I usually do it Monday. I don't plan on working late tomorrow when our office is closing early.
They took out the full SS & Medicare tax. I didn't check the federal withholding taxes. Because of this shit, payroll companies are going to have to scramble to get the rates right if and when they ever decide on anything.

THROW THEM ALL OUT, THEY ARE CORRUPT FOOLS!

Posted by: CarolT at December 30, 2012 03:16 PM (z4WKX)

17 I fully expect the Republicans to fold like a cheap suit.

Byron York looks at the likely outcome of any “Cliff Deal”. It is what we have been predicting for months; the Republican leadership will sell us out again.


Under the most likely scenario, Republicans will get nothing — nothing — in return for giving in on tax rates for the highest-income Americans. No spending cuts, at least no serious spending cuts beyond what are already included in sequestration, would be part of the deal done on Sunday or Monday, if that is indeed what happens.


The pussy Republicans are scared to death of SID.

http://is.gd/nvY3GZ

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2012 03:16 PM (53z96)

18 OT
Dang it, why can't online shoe sites have a category called 'Stompy Boots' for perusal?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:16 PM (t9Q9e)

19 Barry just gave Slow Joe a raise. McConnell wants us to get our money's worth.

We're doomed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 03:18 PM (UOM48)

20 *cue Walking Dead theme music*

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Will Replace The New Year's Ball at December 30, 2012 03:19 PM (+AV7H)

21 Dang it, why can't online shoe sites have a category called 'Stompy Boots' for perusal?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:16 PM (t9Q9e)

Here ya go AP, glad I can help. These are on sale.



http://tinyurl.com/byjket5


Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:20 PM (l86i3)

22

More whining and bitching and gnashing of teeth from Drewm.

keep dipping from that well

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 30, 2012 03:20 PM (E7Qlq)

23 Still can't get my head around the fact that this piece of s..t was re-elected....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 30, 2012 03:20 PM (9+ccr)

24 Still can't get my head around the fact that this piece of s..t was re-elected....
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 30, 2012 03:20 PM

Yep, you aint the lone Moron.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:21 PM (l86i3)

25 As much blame as there is for the GOP the real villains here are the
voters. Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide. There's
simply nothing to be done about it now.


Says it all.

Posted by: A One-Eyed Cat Peepin' in the Seafood Store at December 30, 2012 03:22 PM (eMtQ2)

26
I say we start a national conversation about how everyone needs a tax cut because of the the massive tax increases caused by Obamacare.

Clearly the repub party is too stupid to do it. BTW, its not that it could actually happen, its creating the knowledge or meme in citizens minds, dems are really really good at that.

So if you comment anywhere else on the web, throw that in.

TAX CUTS FOR EVERYONE TO MAKE UP FOR THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY CAUSED BY OBAMACARE.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 03:23 PM (69Mdf)

27 Answer: Save us, Joe Biden! You're our only hope!

Question: How do you know when you're well and truly fucked?

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (VlXYw)

28
Why is nobody standing before a video monitor showing TFG saying "raising taxes in a down economy is a bad thing," then showing a simple graph of spending over the past ten years (with the spike in 2009 under O's, Reid's and Pelosi's terms), then show the GDP over the last ten years (and how it's gone down under TFG's term)?

This isn't rocket science. The Dims are causing harm to the economy, plain and simple, but Crying Boner will not tell the truth.

We are so terribly screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (yiIja)

29 Thanks OSP. I can see why the Devious Femme one is for sale. Feet hurt just looking at the picture. Makes the old Chinese custom of binding the women's feet so they stayed small seem humane.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (t9Q9e)

30 How about McConnell comes out and says something like:

Democrats lie. They lie all the time. Democrats will even lie when the truth will do. Remember when Harry Reid lied about Mitt Romney, saying he had evidence Romney was a tax cheat? Where's Harry Reid's evidence? He never had it. He lied. And for no good reason.

Democrats lie. They always lie, they lie to everyone. Democrats out in America need to come to terms with the irrefutable fact that their Democrat leaders are lying to them. Democrats tell big lies when little lies will do. Remember when President Obama lied and said doctors were amputating children's feet instead of treating them? He could have simply said he didn't think care was good enough. But he pulled out the biggest whopper of his presidency to trick you into supporting Oabamacare.

Democrats are lying to you now. The big lie now is that Republicans don't want what's good for the country. They are lying when they tell you they do. They don't and they are lying to your face.

The truth is, Democrats are enslaving black children under a debt they will never repay. They are enslaving poor children in substandard schools. Democrats are lying when they say taking away your gun will make you safer and keep you free.

And they are lying to you when they tell you that you can get the amount of government you want if we just raise taxes on other people.

President Obama is coming after you. He will take your money that you earned and spend it in ways you would never want it spent. He will use the IRS and the EPA and a hundred other government bureaucracies to steal your freedom and your future. And Congressional Democrats are in lockstep behind him to steal from you and to steal from America.

He's lying to you. Because Democrats always lie. And I will not accept any deal that favors what they want because what they want is bad for America and America's children.

Today, the house has passed a budget that America can afford and we've adjourned for the session. The president and his followers can pass the budget as is or they can be responsible for the worst tragedy of Federal government in living memory.

We'll see you all in 2013.

---

That's all just off the top of my head, so...

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (I2LwF)

31 Thanks OSP. I can see why the Devious Femme one is for sale. Feet hurt just looking at the picture. Makes the old Chinese custom of binding the women's feet so they stayed small seem humane.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (t9Q9e)

Put those on around an acceptable Verile man, and you won't be standing for long.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:25 PM (l86i3)

32 Bring da pain

Posted by: some dope at December 30, 2012 03:26 PM (+kznc)

33 Good post, Drew.

Chestnuts roasting on a open fire.

LIB.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 03:26 PM (EWsrI)

34 Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide.

---

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, free shit at last!

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 30, 2012 03:27 PM (VlXYw)

35

the only thing missing is the anglemourdockakinmillerbuck boogey man

must be saving that for next itoldyaso post

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 30, 2012 03:27 PM (yhYn1)

36 Free junk until Beijing comes to collect on past due debts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:27 PM (t9Q9e)

37 "The GOP bet last year Obama would lose reelection. Everything since he
won has been about how the GOP wants to get its ass handed to it."

Without any actual need for that.

This isn't rocket science. Obama and his crew want tax hikes for the rich? Listen, there are a metric fuckton of wealthy blue state interests who are currently enjoying low, low Bush tax rates. TAKE THOSE AWAY FROM THEM.

Propose a plan to bend those folks over and give them the barbed tax cock of Satan right up the squeakhole. Will they squeak about it? You bet!

Here's one. Right now, hedge fund operators get to treat their income as capital gains. I am a hardline, hardcore small government, low tax guy and even I think that is pettifogging bullshit.

And you know who has been the most utterly adamant supporter of this special tax treatment for Hedge Fund Harold types? It has been CHUCK SCHUMER. Because hedge funds operate predominantly out of New York, and Schumer pulls huge campaign contributions from the Hedge Fund Harolds, and because New York's state budget would collapse without the Harolds. Obama gets plenty out of this as well.

Repeal that specific provision in the House. Make a huge public relations push about how the GOP is "taxing the rich". Which this is! Then dare Schumer to oppose it. Dare Obama not to sign it.

There are plenty of other such tax hike provisions that could be similarly brought into play that Democrats would absolutely abhor.

The GOP are thinking like accountants. Fuck that. Think like Breitbart. Think agitprop and monkeywrenching. Think about how to make Barky stammer and back down in front of the cameras.


Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2012 03:28 PM (gqT4g)

38 The GOP are thinking like accountants. Fuck that. Think like Breitbart. Think agitprop and monkeywrenching. Think about how to make Barky stammer and back down in front of the cameras.


Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2012 03:28 PM (gqT4g)

AB studied, mastered his subjects and had balls. These guys and gals, not so much.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:29 PM (l86i3)

39 Joe Biden in the role of Fluke Starbucker....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:30 PM (t9Q9e)

40 @37 torquewrench

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 30, 2012 03:30 PM (a0nis)

41 OSP. Or the not so virile. Just someone to catch during the tipple-topple over.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:31 PM (t9Q9e)

42 Propose huge tax increases on key democratic constituencies? What the deuce! You may have something there!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 03:31 PM (I2LwF)

43 The most important thing is making sure Glenn Beck sells more copies of his next book. I'm also deeply concerned about Mark Levin's ability to sail a few more yachts at the country club.

Posted by: Sharron Akin O'Mourdock at December 30, 2012 03:32 PM (r2PLg)

44 Its too bad going on offense is so icky. Be nice to see some republicans in DC step up like the governors have done

Posted by: billypaintbrush at December 30, 2012 03:32 PM (wx8cF)

Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:32 PM (jKeMG)

46 28

Why is nobody standing before a video monitor showing TFG saying
"raising taxes in a down economy is a bad thing," then showing a simple
graph of spending over the past ten years (with the spike in 2009 under
O's, Reid's and Pelosi's terms), then show the GDP over the last ten
years (and how it's gone down under TFG's term)?

This isn't rocket science. The Dims are causing harm to the economy, plain and simple, but Crying Boner will not tell the truth.

We are so terribly screwed...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 30, 2012 03:24 PM (yiIja)

Because the Dems and MSM have spent about $2 billion the last 6 months telling us how great the economy is. For them to now say the economy sucks and we shouldn't raise taxes might destroy any credibility that the MSM could actually scrape up.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 30, 2012 03:33 PM (Zd/NW)

47 Olaf is an unrepentant pedophile. He has been dodging the sex offender registry ever since he molested, murdered, and ate several six-year-old boys in the 80s and 90s.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 03:33 PM (I2LwF)

48 Uh.... how can the SENATE START any bill, which have to do with Revenues?


The Constitution is a Social Contract between the People, the States, and the Federal Government... when one party IGNORES a Contract, even after SWEARING to GOD to uphold it.... how do we respond?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 03:34 PM (lZBBB)

Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:34 PM (jKeMG)

50 @47

Don't forget the time he ate three on Santa's reindeer. We almost didn't have Christmas that year.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 30, 2012 03:35 PM (a0nis)

51 Recession's coming in 2013. Who in their right minds is going to invest, hire new people, grow businesses.

Let it Burn. the 250K will affect millions of middle income couples, especially in the NY, CT NJ areas. They voted for this, let them pay more.

And the economy will slow, a hell of lot more in the coming quarter. Let Barry and the socialist dems whine and moan as much as they want. There is no income level rich enough to pay for all this spending. They're coming after anyone who works and pays taxes.

And the liberal Obot MSM will blame repubs no matter what. Whatever. Go John Gault and starve the massive govt beast.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at December 30, 2012 03:35 PM (3Kxux)

52 @37 Amen.

I nominate you for Speaker.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at December 30, 2012 03:35 PM (DGIjM)

53 Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:32 PM (jKeMG)

Yeah... Congrats Democrats.... I have THREE long term Clients who are closing their doors.... ALL due to Taxes, Regulation, and Obamacare...

They just can't make money anymore... because of the Government...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 03:36 PM (lZBBB)

54 #47, no wonder Snow White could never find the dwarves again. Olaf.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:36 PM (t9Q9e)

55 Hey, guys. I'm here to prove how deeply satisfying my life is by spending all day farting out weak taunts.

Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:36 PM (jKeMG)

56 You lost. Grow up and deal with it.

Oh we did, we all bought guns and ammo, millions of us.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:37 PM (l86i3)

57 @49

It wasn't about the election in of of itself, it's about what happens after it.

We can't even begin to pick up the pieces for another four years.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 30, 2012 03:37 PM (a0nis)

58 One day Olaf will be forced to eat his own dick.

And then he will die of starvation.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 30, 2012 03:38 PM (KDq5l)

59 Anyone know aces email? My home IP is banned, dont know why

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2012 03:38 PM (WBGqy)

60 I think we can take Olaf....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 30, 2012 03:39 PM (9+ccr)

61 Weft cut-loop, that will be an Unhappy Meal.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:39 PM (t9Q9e)

62 Anyone know aces email? My home IP is banned, dont know why
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2012 03:38 PM (WBGqy)

I think you may be banned till you buy my book. Did you know I wrote a book?

Kidding, that's happened to others. I'm not sure who fixes it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:40 PM (l86i3)

63 Obamacare covers anal warts at 100%, doesn't it?

Asking for a friend...

Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:40 PM (jKeMG)

64
"The tea party demand of tying a debt hike to spending cuts set this in motion. That was iditotic considering the cuts are going to be mostly from defense and leave entitlements untouched."

Umm...what? It wasn't the TEA Party who came up with this plan of fiscal cliffs, 2 year extensions, and sequestration.

If this was the result of Tea Party demands, then don't you think they would have been able to get REAL cuts enacted, as well as permanently setting the tax rates and targeted cuts?
So the Tea Party is the one to catch blame now?

Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 03:42 PM (ajjwb)

65 In 2004 Democrats did not take their loss lightly.

They fought back and won big.

Olaf must hate them for doing that.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 03:42 PM (EWsrI)

66 I'm impressed. Really. It takes effort to be that stunningly dense. And stupid.

I'm looking out for me & mine here on out. The rest? Let it bleed.

Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at December 30, 2012 03:43 PM (ULH4o)

67 Dear Olaf, you fuckheaded shitstain of a crapweasel, how about you deal with me sticking your shriveled up balls in a vice and then leaving you alone in a burning house with nothing but a kitchen knife?

That will be my new year's resolution for 2013.

Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Will Replace The New Year's Ball at December 30, 2012 03:44 PM (+AV7H)

68 You lost. Grow up and deal with it. This is what happens in life.
Posted by: Olaf at December 30, 2012 03:34 PM (jKeMG)
----------------------------------------------------------
Ummmmm, we all lost dumb ass. You are just too stupid to see it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 30, 2012 03:44 PM (jucos)

69 LiFB. I'm tired of knocking the edges off the Democrat's insane, historically discredited ideas to make them almost work so we can go down the tube more slowly. I'm going to get boned with the return to the permanent tax rates and I don't care anymore. I'll just spend less, much less actually, but I'll be fine.

Better me than my grandchildren.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 03:45 PM (QupBk)

70 Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 03:42 PM (ajjwb)

It was absolutely the tea party members of the House who pushed for spending cuts as the price of a debt hike.

Now those cuts will come mostly from defense. There's a case to be made for supporting defense cuts but I don't think that's what most had in mind back in 2010.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 30, 2012 03:45 PM (AR+tO)

71 What shall I spend my tax hike on?

Wait.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 03:46 PM (EWsrI)

72 That will be my new year's resolution for 2013.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks's Mighty Jugs Will Replace The New Year's Ball at December 30, 2012 03:44 PM (+AV7H)

Now Now, he'll figure it out when he is sucking cock for a bologna sammich. It won't even be good Bologna, it'll be turkey or Chicken.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:46 PM (l86i3)

73 OSP, chicken by-products bologna....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:47 PM (t9Q9e)

74 OSP, chicken by-products bologna....
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:47 PM (t9Q9e)

Yep, buttholes, beaks and feet.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:48 PM (l86i3)

75 So im going to the gym but any info on aces email or who i can talk to to get unbanned would be great

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2012 03:48 PM (t20SK)

76 Apropos of nothing, Sanchez is playing hard in this meaningless last game of the season. He's sucking, but playing hard. Sanchez is the Boehner of the NFL.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 03:48 PM (QupBk)

77 37 & 51? Amen and Ahmein. Yep.

Posted by: backhoe at December 30, 2012 03:48 PM (ULH4o)

78 So im going to the gym but any info on aces email or who i can talk to to get unbanned would be great
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 30, 2012 03:48 PM (t20SK)


I would E-mail a coblogger.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:49 PM (l86i3)

79 The GOP are cowards.

They want Obama to propose SS/Medicare cuts but won't do it themselves since their base is the elderly and dying.

Obama is reaming the Bushpigs a new asshole and they are holding the jackhammer dildo for him.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 03:50 PM (mf/db)

80 When my friend, a progressive liberal Democrat who listens to NPR and voted for Obama in order to “protect the right to abortion” for women she knew (and admitted that Romney would have been “much better” for her own business prospects), tells me that all this talk about a “fiscal cliff” is just scare-mongering and politics, I have to wonder how many others think like she does. She told me that “they have done this stuff for years” (true IMHO) and “even if there wasn’t a solution by January 1st, they simply fixed it later retroactively”. She was quite annoyed with Obama about the whole mess and wondered why he didn’t get a bill passed earlier, too.

Posted by: Watcher at December 30, 2012 03:51 PM (RQfiQ)

81 They just can't make money anymore... because of the Government...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 03:36 PM (lZBBB)


Has no one introduced you to The Plan®

Posted by: Strelnikov looking Urban Doucherocket at December 30, 2012 03:51 PM (qHcFd)

82 Obama will lay out a glorious five-year plan next month.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 03:52 PM (EWsrI)

83 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 03:50 PM (mf/db)

It's tough to argue with any of that. I am disappointed also.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:52 PM (l86i3)

84 Our mistake was believing that the GOP wants what we want.

The idea at this point that the GOP fears SID only works if they want to maintain their current status as perennial second bananas.

Weeping Boner and PickleSmooch McConnell aren't with us, they're pretenders with their hands in our pockets.


LIB


Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2012 03:52 PM (aZ6ew)

85 The GOP are cowards.

Your Messiah is a coward.

He promised to cut the deficit in half, but can't do it because his base is comprised entirely of fucking parasites.

Like you.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 03:55 PM (KhZSt)

86 Obama is reaming the Bushpigs a new asshole and they are holding the jackhammer dildo for him.

Actually, they'll still have their jobs and perks. It's the working people who are getting bent over.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 03:55 PM (QupBk)

87 Ontherocks is 110% correct.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 03:56 PM (I1APS)

88 Do you remember your Messiah's railing against the raising of the debt limit, Clarence? Or is everything before Year Zero of Your Lord null and void?

You fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 03:56 PM (KhZSt)

89 Those damn tea party fiscons... Screwing up any hope of fiscal conservatism.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman North at December 30, 2012 03:57 PM (I1APS)

90 What cannot continue, won't. Winter is coming.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 03:57 PM (QupBk)

91 I dread what this portends for passage of the AWB. Pelosi only needs 17 "moderate Republicans" to bolt and vote with her unified caucus for it to be a reality. Anybody givin' odds?

Posted by: Old Fart at December 30, 2012 03:57 PM (fX9XS)

92 I wonder if people would buy "The Galt Burger"?

No meat. Lots of fiber. Ten percent recycled content.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 03:58 PM (EWsrI)

93 I dread what this portends for passage of the AWB. Pelosi only needs 17 "moderate Republicans" to bolt and vote with her unified caucus for it to be a reality. Anybody givin' odds?
Posted by: Old Fart at December 30, 2012 03:57 PM (fX9XS)


Oh, there are many Democraps that know better.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 03:58 PM (l86i3)

94 eman!! Could market it as a cure for a blocked bowel.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 03:59 PM (t9Q9e)

95 92
I wonder if people would buy "The Galt Burger"?



No meat. Lots of fiber. Ten percent recycled content.

I don't know about that but right now we are being fed the shit burger...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 30, 2012 03:59 PM (9+ccr)

96
The sad part of it is that there are more and better ideas in this one thread than in the repub party in DC.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 03:59 PM (69Mdf)

97 And don't worry, Herbert, even though our health insurance premiums are going to triple in 2013 we'll be able to get married in Chicago soon! And remember, I'm the bride, you bitch, not you.

Posted by: Oloaf at December 30, 2012 04:00 PM (jPVBi)

98 I keep pointing out to the math impaired that the interest on our debt next year will be almost $500B, at today's ridiculously low rates. The entire Federal budget was about that when I was in college.

When rates return to 3-5%, we're over-boned.

We will default, de facto or de jure.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:01 PM (QupBk)

99 Anna!!

Whatup, Sweetie Pie?

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 04:01 PM (EWsrI)

100 Also, everyone knows that raising the top rate only reduces the deficit by 5% ($50 billion) per annum. Only 5%.

But what else does?

Killing the entire food stamp program is 2%. Big deal. And farmers get fucked then.

Chopping 5% out of the budget is impossible without hitting SS/Medicare.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:01 PM (mf/db)

101 eman!! Could market it as a cure for a blocked bowel.
But there's already Fist In A Cup®! Why buy anything else?

Posted by: Oloaf at December 30, 2012 04:02 PM (jPVBi)

102 eman looking at stompy boots.

These would be neat but wrong width. Ruins the whole effect of stomping if the boot falls off in mid-stomp.
http://tinyurl.com/aqf5xxb

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:03 PM (t9Q9e)

103 Also, everyone knows that raising the top rate only reduces the deficit by 5% ($50 billion) per annum. Only 5%.

Tell it to your God-Emperor. He's the one pretending it'll solve the deficit.

And you're the idiot who voted for him.

You fucking retard.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:03 PM (KhZSt)

104 Let's return to that hardscrabble budget of 2006, when we were fighting two wars.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:03 PM (QupBk)

105 >>>>93
You're somewhat more sanguine than I am at this stage. My fervent hope is that you're correct but...preparing for the worst seems prudent.

Posted by: Old Fart at December 30, 2012 04:03 PM (fX9XS)

106 Is it a dick towel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSrm7jaXpfA

http://www.dicktowel.com/dicktowel.html

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 30, 2012 04:04 PM (G6kli)

107 Posted by: Old Fart at December 30, 2012 04:03 PM (fX9XS)


I started preparing after Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 04:05 PM (l86i3)

108 VP is the president of the Senate. Its within his constitutional powers to push Reid aside, actually preside over the Senate and force something to a vote.

The public needs to understand that if Reid is obstructionist, there ARE other ways to git-r-done.

If the VP is also obstructionist, well then you know where the problem is.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:06 PM (hc3eM)

109 See, if we only had Mike Castle and Dick Lugar in the Senate...

Posted by: Sauron, The Dark Lord of Middle Earth, Destroyer of Nations, Opressor of peoples, etc etc etc at December 30, 2012 04:06 PM (NL15p)

110 i thoroughly enjoyed russ' post earlier. i'm not an AR guy, but that is good common sense stuff.

Posted by: whiskey tango at December 30, 2012 04:06 PM (JvP2I)

111 Watching the LOSERship at work is like some beachbum artists trying to debate the tide not to wash away their work...

Only difference is beachbums know whens it's time to hang it up and make for some all night party...

Posted by: Seipherd at December 30, 2012 04:07 PM (BoLlc)

112 64
"The tea party demand of tying a debt hike to spending cuts set this in motion. That was iditotic considering the cuts are going to be mostly from defense and leave entitlements untouched."

Umm...what? It wasn't the TEA Party who came up with this plan of fiscal cliffs, 2 year extensions, and sequestration.

If this was the result of Tea Party demands, then don't you think they would have been able to get REAL cuts enacted, as well as permanently setting the tax rates and targeted cuts?
So the Tea Party is the one to catch blame now?
Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 03:42 PM (ajjwb)


Exactly. Since when is the Tea Party responsible for this? That's bullshit. The Tea Party put the Reidiotlicans in position to come back after 2010. Blame SoCons all you want. They are only are part of the Tea Party. Bitching about the status of the culture in this country then going after SoCons......WTF? And I am not all that socially Conservative.

Some people around here are sounding awfully Country Club, Cucumber and Mayo. Yet, they bitch about Boner and bitch about McConnell saying they're just kowtowing to the Tea Party line? Bullshit. None of them fuckers like the Tea Party. They simply want us to go down slowly after the 30 year- olds are beginning to kick off.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 30, 2012 04:07 PM (qHcFd)

113 95 92
I wonder if people would buy "The Galt Burger"?

No meat. Lots of fiber. Ten percent recycled content.

I don't know about that but right now we are being fed the shit burger...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December

In Atlas Shrugged Rand bitched about SOY MEAT.

Now it's all over the place and if you eat too much Soy it increases your Estrogen giving you man boobs among other things.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 30, 2012 04:07 PM (G6kli)

114 I will try to look at the boots, Anna, but cellphone commenting is a pain in the ass.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 04:08 PM (EWsrI)

115 I know the hades that is cellphone web-browsing. You don't have to.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (t9Q9e)

116 Fuck you, Waterhouse.

Romney's "solution" was to kill the defense and Medicare cuts already enacted by Obama and then cut taxes again.

The lying Mormon was suicidal from budget deficit perspective.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (mf/db)

117 It was absolutely the tea party members of the House who pushed for spending cuts as the price of a debt hike.

That's nonsense. The grassroots thought the debt ceiling compromise was selling us down the river. Most of us wanted a confrontation and, if nexessary, a government shutdown. The base universally thought the debt ceiling should not be increased.

Posted by: rfichoke at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (CcIvJ)

118 Fuck you, Clarence.

You're seriously pretending your poltroon of a President isn't constantly yammering
about "tax hikes on the rich" because he's too fucking chickenshit himself to
meaningfully address the deficit.

It's either that, or he can't do simple math.

Your choice, you delusional shitbrick.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (KhZSt)

119 Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide.
=======
Which is why we shouldn't even bother with anything that could help. Why help people who 1) don't care/don't want help, 2) hate us, 3) will blame us for anything bad, 4) will take any and all credit for anything good.

F 'em.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 30, 2012 04:10 PM (imtbm)

120 "Killing the entire food stamp program is 2%. Big deal."

It's not for budgetary purposes that killing food stamps is valuable.

It's as a demonstration to the rest of the country that America is currently under occupation by an army. That is, by the Free Shit Army, world's largest fighting force.

Many Americans don't realize this. They don't realize that the FSA actually will fight, in an unfocused, omnidestructive rabble-in-arms way.

Contemplate for a moment the outcome of turning off the EBT cards for a few weeks. The burning, looted, bloodsoaked results of that simple measure would make it crystal clear to a bunch of persuadable middle-class swing voters that America has serious trouble brewing.

I recommend that you not be anywhere near a big city when this happens. If you are, you had better be ready to shelter in place in a sturdy defensible structure for a while.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 30, 2012 04:11 PM (gqT4g)

121 Romney's "solution" was to kill the defense and Medicare cuts already enacted by Obama and then cut taxes again.

Defense spending spiked starting with the 2006 Pelosi congress. Obama cut nothing

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:13 PM (hc3eM)

122 Nice ones, Anna.

Um, the boots.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 04:13 PM (EWsrI)

123 Torquewrench, re: turning off the EBT cards. There was once a Roman Senator in the Republic who thought the slaves should identify themselves. The idea was quickly shelved because brighter Senators knew 1/3rd of Rome's populace was made of slaves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:13 PM (t9Q9e)

124 One guy on one side has looked to meaningfully address the deficit, Clarence, you dissembling fuckhole.

That guy's plan got portrayed by the braying jackasses on the side of the parasites (that would be YOU) as pushing grandma off the cliff.

Go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:13 PM (KhZSt)

125 http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/defense_chart_30.html

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:14 PM (hc3eM)

126 Hey, Waterhouse, its like I tell my progressive friends. The NRA are a pussy lobbying group compared to the 40 million strong at the AARP.

Like the Jesus said "Nobody fucks with the AARP".

(apologies to the Coen Bros)

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:14 PM (mf/db)

127 Clarence thinks that he's on the rolls of The Protected.

The bad news is he is not.

Wa-wa.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 30, 2012 04:14 PM (KDq5l)

128 About the best outcome to pull for is that the traditional leftist induction of unintended consequences kicks in after the Preznit Marxistcliffdiver takes the country for a little tour of Cloward/Piven.

Maybe there is still enough gas in the tanks of the working middle class to propel them bobbing to the top when all is said and done.

That's why so long as the Pubbies got nothing, LIB would best happen sooner than later.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2012 04:15 PM (aZ6ew)

129 Thanks eman, but got a narrow foot so they are a no go. Darn.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:15 PM (t9Q9e)

130 The Federal government is broke and broken. Our only hope is at the state level.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:16 PM (QupBk)

131
The Texans gave up their #2 seeding like they were Republicans.

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 30, 2012 04:16 PM (vyPsz)

132 Like the Jesus said "Nobody fucks with the AARP".

Every retired geezer I know is packing

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:16 PM (hc3eM)

133 TCM is showing the Lassie movie with Roddie McDowell and Elizabeth Taylor. Lassie got sold because the family was out of money. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:17 PM (t9Q9e)

134 Anna, pain and style go hand in hand.

Posted by: eman at December 30, 2012 04:17 PM (EWsrI)

135 Killing the entire food stamp program is 2%. Big deal.

We'll take it. But it is a big deal, it changes a whole perception that the govt should be involved in that whatsoever.

And farmers get fucked then.

What? people without food stamps don't have to eat?

Secondly, the farmers will just have to face a free market, and they will eventually be better off for it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 04:18 PM (69Mdf)

136 Lol@"Free Shit Army", torque wrench. True, and we are unfortunate slaves, laboring further into each calendar year to support the spending. When the hell is Tax Freedom day now, June?

Posted by: fire captain at December 30, 2012 04:18 PM (L8Qa7)

137 TCM is showing the Lassie movie with Roddie McDowell and Elizabeth Taylor. Lassie got sold because the family was out of money. Sound familiar?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:17 PM (t9Q9e)

At least dog fighting wasn't big back then.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 30, 2012 04:18 PM (l86i3)

138 Lassie got sold because the family was out of money.
My Dinner With Obama?

Posted by: Oloaf at December 30, 2012 04:18 PM (jPVBi)

139 eman, not pain per se just foot rattling around in a too large shoe and no way to tighten them... pass.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:18 PM (t9Q9e)

140 The esteemed panel of liberals on Meet the Press today made little bleeting noises about how TFG has failed to lead, failed to address the real driver of the debt, etc., but the MSM will count that as the limit of criticism on him, so we will never hear that again.

"Damn those fat cat obstructionist Republicans!"

Posted by: PJ at December 30, 2012 04:19 PM (ZWaLo)

141 So turn off the EBT cards - I don't give a shit.

Oh, but who exactly is proposing such? Your imaginary GOP Congressman?

Of course not. No one is.

The GOP are cowards (so are Dems but you know that).

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:19 PM (mf/db)

142 Nobody fucks with the AARP

Oh, come on, your brave heroic superman of a President can do anything!

Like proclaim he'll cut the deficit in half, then triple it, and still get complete fucking retards like yourself to vote for him again!

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:19 PM (KhZSt)

143 Lassie got sold because the family was out of money.
My Dinner With Obama?

Sure. Why not? He's spending our money on everything else. Why not dogs?

Posted by: Retread at December 30, 2012 04:20 PM (zxitI)

144 Go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.

Ve vork very hard to serve all our customers needs but I don't believe ve haf a specific model for this. Also ve use non-rusting materials verever possible.

http://www.jonsered.com/se/

Posted by: Sven from Marketing at December 30, 2012 04:22 PM (syEB8)

145 Oh my, I do not think our resident elder god will like his name being taken in vain on a pair of boots.
http://tinyurl.com/bkuzo3p

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:23 PM (t9Q9e)

146 "A dog makes a fine meal" - Mel Gibson in The Patriot

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:23 PM (hc3eM)

147 Waterfairy, you ignorant hick. The deficit is lower now than when Obama was sworn in.

"On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the Congressional
Budget Office reported that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was
projected to be $1.2 trillion." (Politifact)

Not much lower, but lower.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:25 PM (mf/db)

148 Who shit the turd in the punchbowl?

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2012 04:25 PM (53z96)

149 DrewM.: "As much blame as there is for the GOP the real villains here are the
voters. Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide. There's
simply nothing to be done about it now."


True.

However, the cuts must happen by hook or by crook. Be it defense or anything, the nation must start somewhere. Does "military spending cuts" put us at risk? Possibly. Does a bankrupt country with the collapse the dollar put us at risk? Undoubtedly.

This. Simply. Cannot. Continue. The TEA Party understands this. It's not its fault that no other institution does or that they do but remain unwilling to do What. Must. Be. Done.

L.I.B. and S.I.D.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2012 04:25 PM (eHIJJ)

150 The deficit is lower now than when Obama was sworn in.

Clarence, you stupid fuck, your festering dickhole of a President made that promise based on 2008.

You know, the budget HE voted for.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:27 PM (KhZSt)

151
why you guys arguing with The Thing That Lives Under the Stairs?

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 30, 2012 04:28 PM (052zE)

152 The sound of freedom, someone is popping off their shotgun down the farm road.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:29 PM (t9Q9e)

153 Screw um. All of um. The only thing worse than the group running the White House, and they are only corrupt, is the group running the Republican Party. They are corrupt and stupid. Stress the Stupid. Blow the damn party up and start over again.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 30, 2012 04:30 PM (Eq2MX)

154 Sooth: Catharsis?

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 30, 2012 04:30 PM (vuAlJ)

155 Just like he voted for TARP.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 30, 2012 04:31 PM (KhZSt)

156 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:25 PM (mf/db)

Uh.... TARP.... the one that Obama then used for purposes other than what they told the American people it would be used for....

Remember? TARP? The program that was supposed to be used to buy up toxic Real Estate Assets to get them off the books so the system would not crash? but was instead used as a slush fund for things like Loaning to Banks (even if they didn't want it), and giving the Unions General Motors?

Without TARP,which OBAMA spent, the deficit would have been about $500 billion....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 04:31 PM (lZBBB)

157 So the Tea Party is the one to catch blame now?

Just call them “Snowball” from now on. On a positive note, it also has a sexual second meaning for the media to use.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 30, 2012 04:31 PM (CeNUw)

158
"On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the Congressional

Budget Office reported that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was

projected to be $1.2 trillion." (Politifact)


Oh, Great SMOD Above, talk about illogic. How stupid are you? Don't answer, your head will pop dumbass. Projected is the key word for that year, dumbass. It ended over $1.5 Trillion, dumbass. No other president had deficits over $1 T, dumbass.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 04:32 PM (69Mdf)

159 The only thing worse than the group running the White House, and they are only corrupt, is the group running the Republican Party. They are corrupt and stupid.

The Democrats are equally stupid, if not more so. They just have the advantage of selling pennies from heaven. The Party of the Free Lunch always has the advantage.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:32 PM (QupBk)

160 That's nonsense. The grassroots thought the debt ceiling compromise was selling us down the river. Most of us wanted a confrontation and, if nexessary, a government shutdown. The base universally thought the debt ceiling should not be increased.
Posted by: rfichoke at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (CcIvJ)

That is my recollection. Spending cuts needed to happen up front, immediately. I thought the compromise was nuts, and kicking the can down the road.

I can't help if some Tea Party reps fell for the deal being pushed on them (Alan West for instance) - that is just a stupid call, but the entire thing was set up by Boehner and McConnell at the end of 2010 after the election, but before the new congress came in when they made their mini-punt.

I don't see how the Tea Party base wanting UP FRONT SPENDING CUTS in a deal with Democrats, which any student of the Reagan budget/tax-cut deal from the 80's knows IS REQUIRED OR YOU WILL GET SCREWED is responsible for the leadership provided by the GOP leadership team.

If anything, the Tea Party is guilty of not having:
1. Spending Cuts,
2. Tax Cuts,
3. THEN DEAL,
tattooed in mirrored reverse on their candidate's foreheads.

Get your head out of your ass Drew.

Posted by: Hollywood Accountants at December 30, 2012 04:33 PM (n2M+Z)

161 @152 - Just celebrating the Eve before New Year's Eve!

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 30, 2012 04:33 PM (vuAlJ)

162 No, Waterboy. Here is the Politico article:

"Under White House projections, this year’s inherited budget deficit
of $1.3 trillion will be cut to $533 billion by fiscal year 2013, the
end of the first term.

“So we’ll cut it at least in half,” the official said.

That represents a decrease from 9.2 percent of the gross domestic
product, a measure of the nation’s output, to 3 percent, the
administration estimates."


They failed, it goes without saying.


Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 30, 2012 04:33 PM (mf/db)

163
Politically, I see zero downside if the Republicans do nothing.

Obama and the Democrats are proving that to be the case -- they're the ones pushing the Republicans to 'do something'

Do nothing. We have nothing to lose.

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 30, 2012 04:33 PM (uff2W)

164 Okay, time to talk about something that doesn't want me to take up cutting again - holy crap the Viking's kicker is something else.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 30, 2012 04:33 PM (Gk3SS)

165 ^eck

Posted by: JDP at December 30, 2012 04:34 PM (8HhF2)

166 OK.... and a question...

No Congress can take power from a Later Congress.... no prior bill signed into law can change a Later Bill...

So... how can the Sequester, change the Just passed Defense appropirations Bill?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 04:35 PM (lZBBB)

167 They always think they have a losing hand. Always. Bunch of losers.

Posted by: Rich at December 30, 2012 04:35 PM (Jqkgi)

168 The RINOs blame the base because the base didn't get what they wanted, and posters are making snow angels in troll shit.

How nostalgic.

None of it matters anymore, the fucking pooch is screwed. MATH is the new SMOD.

Cloward and Piven won, because people are fucking idiots.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2012 04:36 PM (bxiXv)

169 So... how can the Sequester, change the Just passed Defense appropirations Bill?

Because it was a duly passed and signed law that chops off the top. No Congress can bind another Congress, if the new Congress doesn't want to be bound, which they show by passing another law. Otherwise, for instance, the current tax rate would have to be repassed every term.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:38 PM (QupBk)

170 "holy crap the Viking's kicker is something else."

You ain't going to beat the Packers by kicking field goals.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2012 04:38 PM (GZitp)

171 This is all just Bukaki theater, and we're the stars

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:39 PM (hc3eM)

172 Leave for a while, return, and the place has been infested with trolls. And not your garden variety ones, but really, really willfully stupid, nasty, evil ones.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 04:40 PM (UOM48)

173 ah my friends, the visit to the gun show was a success. Found what I was looking for. More on the ONT

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 30, 2012 04:42 PM (8sCoq)

174 This AMV about sums up this thread
http://youtu.be/ubUMbMG8QE8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:42 PM (t9Q9e)

175 Leave for a while, return, and the place has been
infested with trolls. And not your garden variety ones, but really,
really willfully stupid, nasty, evil ones.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2012 04:40 PM (UOM4

Yep, Jane. People who are losers in the game of life will do anything to protect their free shit. They need to extend it out as long as possible because once the free shit ends, they will starve. So troll they do, because they don't have the chops to succeed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 04:43 PM (69Mdf)

176 It was absolutely the tea party members of the House who pushed for spending cuts as the price of a debt hike.

Now those cuts will come mostly from defense. There's a case to be made for supporting defense cuts but I don't think that's what most had in mind back in 2010.
Posted by: DrewM. at December 30, 2012 03:45 PM (AR+tO) Except there were no immediate cuts- theTea Party wanted IMMEDIATE cuts, not this fiscal cliff nonsense and cuts that will never materialize.- and some of them voted against THIS because they KNEW they were being sold out. Somehow they could force tying the debt ceiling to spending cuts, but had no say in the type or means of cutting. And what did that have to do with tax rates going up on Jan 1? Was that a Tea Party idea, too, to push it off for another two years?ThisSequestration and Fiscal cliff nonsense and pushing the rate increases were NOT Tea Party ideas,but now it is being spun as a way to attack the Tea Party.

Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 04:43 PM (ajjwb)

177 i'm sure a refusal to raise the debt ceiling would've gone swimmingly

Posted by: JDP at December 30, 2012 04:43 PM (8HhF2)

178 I honestly wonder where the genetic material of the American founding went and how it was so completely scoured out of the men and women who purport to represent us today. I don't see even a trace of it. The weakness, cowardness, lack of imagination that makes up the modern Republican -- where does this astonishing bankruptcy of character come from?

Posted by: rrpjr at December 30, 2012 04:45 PM (4/dV5)

179
I think the chances are pretty good, that we'll see a big sell-off on Wall Street tomorrow.

With capital gains taxes set to go up...seems like a lot of investors would want to sell now.

Posted by: wheatie at December 30, 2012 04:45 PM (K4wCe)

180 It hurts my soul that a lot of innocent people are going to have to pay if we try to right this ship. For instance, the extend UI has to go. We can't afford to have a permanent dole.

The day Pelosi took office, the UE rate was 4.5%. In less than 2 years, they destroyed the economy, and what was their penalty? The voters added the Presidency to their control with a filibuster-proof Senate majority.

Only the burned hand will teach.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:45 PM (QupBk)

181 159 The only thing worse than the group running the White House, and they are only corrupt, is the group running the Republican Party. They are corrupt and stupid.

The Democrats are equally stupid, if not more so. They just have the advantage of selling pennies from heaven. The Party of the Free Lunch always has the advantage.Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 30, 2012 04:32 PM (QupBk) I disagree - some of them are stupid but I think they know EXACTLY what they are doing. Everything you see is intentional. The government is actively at war (a non-shooting war, but a war nonetheless) against the citizens. All 3 branches, plus the bureaucracy and both parties are colluding against the citizens.

Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 04:46 PM (ajjwb)

182 I need someone to explain to me how the tea party, a distinct house minority, had the juice to crash through a Democrat controlled Senate and Democrat President and get anything passed into law on its own.

Please be specific.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 30, 2012 04:46 PM (hc3eM)

183
In retrospect they were worried about an election 2 years away and made a deal with the dems that bit them in the ass. Now here we are, the furthest away from another election as possible and they will make another stupid deal.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 30, 2012 04:47 PM (69Mdf)

184 >>- where does this astonishing bankruptcy of character come from?
Posted by: rrpjr at December 30, 2012 04:45 PM (4/dV5)

Washington, DC

Posted by: ontherocks at December 30, 2012 04:47 PM (aZ6ew)

185 Neu thread

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:47 PM (t9Q9e)

186 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 30, 2012 04:47 PM (t9Q9e)

Not a new thread, just something to push Drew's retarded whining down

Posted by: The dude at December 30, 2012 04:49 PM (tw6Ar)

187 Posted by: blindside at December 30, 2012 04:43 PM (ajjwb)

Ahhh.... but just like Perot's Reform Party, the TEA party MUST be destroyed by BOTH parties...

Can't have a valid threat to the Two Party Stranglehold on power...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 30, 2012 04:51 PM (lZBBB)

188
182I need someone to explain to me how the tea party, a distinct house minority, had the juice to crash through a Democrat controlled Senate and Democrat President and get anything passed into law on its own.


Please be specific.

------------

Exactly, PurpAv.

Answer: They couldn't. And they didn't.

But there are people on both sides that want to demagogue the Tea Party and use them as a 'boogey man' to blame everything on.

Posted by: wheatie at December 30, 2012 04:52 PM (K4wCe)

189 Romeo13@187,

That is EXACTLY correct. These Lords have zero intention of re-empowering citizens. None. It's the slow march speeding to Tyranny.

The three branches are whipping our asses. This is not accidental as its members are insulated, protected, and empowered. Their goals are acutely self-serving; the results progressively institutionalized.

The Federal government hates Americans except as pawns in the bigger game.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 30, 2012 05:05 PM (eHIJJ)

190 178

The Repubs have never had much character.

Party mythology holds that the GOP was founded on the moralistic rock of anti-slavery, when in fact the abolitionists were one of several factions. And they as well shared the prime concern of other early GOP factions:

Looting the federal treasury via big government crony capitalism. Let us not forget that St Abe, the ole railsplitter, was actually a well heeled corporate lawyer in the pocket of Big Railroads.

So at least they're consistent.

But the notion that the GOP establishment, as opposed to the generations of us dumb clucks who've voted for them, has ever been for limited government, or for Main Street over Wall Street, simply doesn't rest on much evidence.

PS: Perhaps Ogabe's parasitic identification with St. Abe will have one helpful effect. Maybe it will finally undermine the Lincoln Cult in the popular imagination. The man was a master of the language, but no less corrupt for this notable skill.

Posted by: njinfl at December 30, 2012 05:17 PM (Iis02)

191 "Chained-CPI" is just mealy-mouthed horseshit anyways. If they are gonna cut COLAs they should just cut them openly.

Posted by: Sauron, The Dark Lord of Middle Earth, Destroyer of Nations, Oppressor of peoples, etc etc etc at December 30, 2012 05:26 PM (NL15p)

192 Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams, Samuel Adams, Ben Franklin would be ashamed of this group of representatives. They wrote the Constitution as a governing document, these jerks don't follow it!

Obama thinks he is king because he won the election and can dictate what he'll agree to. He can go back to Hawaii and stay there, he's only trying to get a photo op!

Posted by: CarolT at December 30, 2012 05:29 PM (z4WKX)

193

This really is like watching a 3-ring circus. House, Senate and WH/ExecBranch.

Baroque distractions, and seedy behind the scenes.

Ring master? The pos JEF.

Posted by: beach at December 30, 2012 05:31 PM (LpQbZ)

194 The tea party demand of tying a debt hike to spending cuts set this in motion. That was iditotic considering the cuts are going to be mostly from defense and leave entitlements untouched.


eh?

This is like "it's Bush's fault" from the other side.

The fault is in the negotiator. The assumption in the above statement is... well, ALL assumption, and no blame on the actual negotiators.

More Tea Party please. They have way more, and larger balls then anyone in a position of negotiating terms.

blame the RINO's
blame the GOP

Posted by: beach at December 30, 2012 05:35 PM (LpQbZ)

195 Chuck Grassley said that Obama wants 600 billion in increased spending from the tax hike on the rich.

Obama has no intention of cutting any spending, because his idea is to crash the economy and destroy the country.

The problem we have is that the people in Congress just cannot wrap their heads around the concept that we have a president who wants to destroy the country. I can't really blame them; it took me quite a while to come to this realization.

When everything collapses, as I believe it will, I am having nothing to do with the people who did nothing but attack our side. If we had given our guys more confidence, perhaps they wouldn't be running so scared.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 30, 2012 05:36 PM (GoIUi)

196 It was absolutely the tea party members


There is no "tea party" party. Therefore, no members.

If you mean fiscal conservatives, more power to them.

Posted by: beach at December 30, 2012 05:37 PM (LpQbZ)

197
Red on Drudge..... Leibermann no deal tonight.
http://tinyurl.com/aj7kct2

Posted by: olddog at December 30, 2012 05:39 PM (MuE6W)

198

If only they were screaming: Give TFG the tax hikes he wants! Give TFG the tax hikes he is begging for.

Posted by: beach at December 30, 2012 05:41 PM (LpQbZ)

199 Maybe the GOP selected candidates who believed in their principals and were willing to play hard ball like Obama does they would win some elections.

We are in a cold civil war folks. We need to play like it.

Ridicule the MSM like the Dems do Fox News.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 30, 2012 06:00 PM (T/L2Z)

200 This entire government is just full of a bunch of sorry, self serving bastards. If we're going to crash then let's do it now and get on with the war. To think that our lives are in the hands of these sorry pukes is absolutely disgusting.

Posted by: rplat at December 30, 2012 06:08 PM (ew94K)

201 Taxes will go up on the "rich" -and small businesses. Spending will stay on it's disastrous course. The economy will tank (even more).

The tax increase is enough to hurt small businesses and the economy, but not enough to help the deficit.
The perfect democrat sweet spot.

Since we can't stop this, I really don't care anymore. Let Obama/Biden own it.

Posted by: LASue at December 30, 2012 06:21 PM (gjIQF)

202 Honestly, Republicans should make no proposals regarding Social Security until it simply hits a wall. It's too costly politically and it never goes anywhere anyway because Democrats would rather see the entire program fall apart than a single penny being cut from it.

As conservatives, do we really want to "save" Social Security. Personally, I'd like to see both SS and medicare reach a point where they simply blow up.

No fiscal deal was ever going to let Republicans "win", that's why we have elections to decide these things. Let Obama blame Republicans, eventually it's Obama and Democrats that's going to take it on the chin if this country sinks back into another recession.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 30, 2012 07:03 PM (XDRsa)

203 You can be critical of the Tea Party all you want, but it was the GOP establishment who put us in this situation over the last 24 years. It was the GOP establishment who are so inept that actually thought Marco Rubio was too conservative (think about that for a minute) and that Charlie Crist was their kind of guy. It was the GOP establishment who never really liked Reagan in the first place and instead concluded that what we all needed was 12 years of the Bush Family, and are now wanting that to continue in the next election with Jeb!

It was the GOP establishment who got us into stupid and useless wars in the Islamic world in order to save the Islamic world from their own stupidity.

It was the GOP establishment who wasted advantage after advantage over and over again and always wants leaders to represent them who are consistent losers.

The Tea Party has made some tactical mistakes, no doubt, but god forbid I am sick of hearing the bitching and complaining about the Tea Party. The people to blame are a bunch of old geezers and losers who represent the GOP leadership right now. There would be no Tea Party in the first place if the GOP establishment was not filled with idiots and cowards, who have a consistent record of screwing up a good thing, and are completely hopeless when things are not ideal.

Therefore I hope the Tea Party succeeds...their mistakes are nothing compared to "safe" establishment folks some obviously think are so dam cool.

Posted by: William Eaton at December 30, 2012 07:21 PM (rwioF)

204 Just dropping in to say I won't be able to sit down for the next four years. Can't afford a chair anyway, after returning to the magical Clinton tax rates.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 30, 2012 07:28 PM (+jF/U)

205 "Reelecting Barack Obama was an act of national suicide". That about sums up the state of the nation for the last 4 years and God knows how much longer. Perhaps for good.

Posted by: Mitch at December 30, 2012 07:29 PM (UiHSn)

206 WTF is wrong with you people? Let it burn.

Posted by: steve walsh at December 30, 2012 07:39 PM (tsJkx)

207 Boehner is the worst, I actually beginning to believe he is intentionally trying to destroy what is left of the GOP.... and maybe that's not such a bad thing

Posted by: Secession of the Plebs at December 30, 2012 07:41 PM (m6OUa)

208 203 You can be critical of the Tea Party all you want, but it was the GOP establishment who put us in this situation over the last 24 years. It was the GOP establishment who are so inept that actually thought Marco Rubio was too conservative (think about that for a minute) and that Charlie Crist was their kind of guy. It was the GOP establishment who never really liked Reagan in the first place and instead concluded that what we all needed was 12 years of the Bush Family, and are now wanting that to continue in the next election with Jeb! It was the GOP establishment who got us into stupid and useless wars in the Islamic world in order to save the Islamic world from their own stupidity. It was the GOP establishment who wasted advantage after advantage over and over again and always wants leaders to represent them who are consistent losers. The Tea Party has made some tactical mistakes, no doubt, but god forbid I am sick of hearing the bitching and complaining about the Tea Party. The people to blame are a bunch of old geezers and losers who represent the GOP leadership right now. There would be no Tea Party in the first place if the GOP establishment was not filled with idiots and cowards, who have a consistent record of screwing up a good thing, and are completely hopeless when things are not ideal. Therefore I hope the Tea Party succeeds...their mistakes are nothing compared to "safe" establishment folks some obviously think are so dam cool.
Posted by: William Eaton at December 30, 2012 07:21 PM (rwioF) right on...

Posted by: Secession of the Plebs at December 30, 2012 07:43 PM (m6OUa)

209 207
Boehner is the worst, I actually beginning to believe he is
intentionally trying to destroy what is left of the GOP.... and maybe
that's not such a bad thing

Posted by: Secession of the Plebs at December 30, 2012 07:41 PM (m6OUa)

__________________
Boehner worst? I take it you've never heard of me?

Posted by: Senator Mtch McConnell (R-KY) at December 30, 2012 07:44 PM (HDgX3)

210 I do dimly remember giving a shit.

Posted by: Klawnet at December 30, 2012 07:46 PM (x1kNC)

211 The people that voted for DUUUH WON make me madder than a midget with a yo-yo.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 30, 2012 07:56 PM (+9AX9)

212 what's that old saying - don't wish for what you want, you may get it.

Obama will get what he wants all right……

In about a year he will be sitting in a sack of shit.

Posted by: redguy at December 30, 2012 08:10 PM (oKH8p)

213 "Obama has no intention of cutting any spending, because his idea is to crash the economy and destroy the country."

this is dumb

people should be capable of arguing against Forever Stimulus while acknowledging that Obama/the Democrats legit believe in it

otherwise both sides are just slinging accusations of mala fides back and forth

Posted by: JDP at December 30, 2012 08:10 PM (8HhF2)

214 Agree with # 23 Donna --kicks my butt every time I think about it. The worst part is he can be overcome. The idiots who supported him wil persist!,

Great post 27 Walrus-truly made me laugh out loud. Does no one but folks here at A of S hq see the emperor and his minions have no f-ing clothes?

Posted by: AnnaS at December 30, 2012 08:12 PM (uYSWH)

215 this is dumb



people should be capable of arguing against Forever Stimulus while acknowledging that Obama/the Democrats legit believe in it



otherwise both sides are just slinging accusations of mala fides back and forth

Posted by: JDP at December 30, 2012 08:10 PM (8HhF2)

______________
Yes. Obama loves his country. John Boehner told me so.

Posted by: Senator Mtch McConnell (R-KY) at December 30, 2012 08:16 PM (HDgX3)

216 Geez Drew, want some cheese with that whine?
There is hard work ahead, and nobody will get any medals for it either. Still, nobody said that being a Conservative was going to be easy, in fact, Rush Limbaugh said exactly the opposite back in the day.
You know, I'd go on with this rant, like how Boehner is actually being kind of clever by flushing out RINOs for all to see, but I'm not in the mood to point out this sort of obvious crap to crybabies tonight.

Posted by: Bad Science at December 30, 2012 08:18 PM (Hf5Qq)

217 i assume good faith on a lot of leaders parts, even if they're disastrously wrong. but thanks for the snark

Posted by: JDP at December 30, 2012 08:21 PM (8HhF2)

218 Also, good grief it is a long way down to here, and I am part of the peanut gallery, easily ignored for good reason. Oh, well.

Posted by: Bad Science at December 30, 2012 08:22 PM (Hf5Qq)

219 I keep thinking of that line from the Godfather, "Tattaglia is a pimp. He never could have outfought Santino. But I didn't know until this day that it was Barzini all along."

Republican leadership in both the House and Senate, none of them fools--as say, Joe Biden is a fool or Harry Reid is a (malicious) fool or Nancy Pelosi is a fool--have been completely tactically and strategically outmaneuvered, and I simply can't believe President Obama is the architect--or Valerie Jarrett either, before someone throws that name out there. Axelrod? Axelrod's a specialist. Axelrod's specialty is campaign strategy and manipulation of public opinion. This wasn't pulled off by a specialist.

President Obama is an empty chair, a front man, good only at reading from a teleprompter or memorizing media soundbites fed to him beforehand. So who is it? Who's the Barzini? Who in that crowd is smart and ruthless enough to crash the economy, putting millions out of work and causing inestimable hardship for millions more, just to damage--maybe irreparably--the GOP?

I know how tinfoil-hat conspiratorial I sound. Those surveillance drones buzzing overhead may have made me a little paranoid.

Posted by: troyriser at December 30, 2012 08:55 PM (ptcFO)

220 Posted by: William Eaton at December 30, 2012 07:21 PM (rwioF)

I'm with you. On a hopeful note, the revolutionary era Tea Party was a precursor. Radicalization of the populace to the point of patriotic fervor (and eventual action) took time. The British helped, of course, by overreacting and tightening their grip even further.

Long live the Republic.

Posted by: troyriser at December 30, 2012 09:09 PM (ptcFO)

221
That's nonsense. The grassroots thought the debt ceiling compromise was selling us down the river. Most of us wanted a confrontation and, if nexessary, a government shutdown. The base universally thought the debt ceiling should not be increased.
Posted by: rfichoke at December 30, 2012 04:09 PM (CcIvJ)

---

But not this blog. This blog was carrying water for the useless GOP Top Men, as usual.
Because the Tea Party and Christine Donnely and Joe Miller (errr, scratch that) and not.the.right.hill, or something.

Posted by: MlR at December 30, 2012 09:16 PM (vR2l5)

222 But not this blog. This blog was carrying water for the useless GOP Top Men, as usual.
Because the Tea Party and Christine Donnely and Joe Miller (errr, scratch that) and not.the.right.hill, or something.
Posted by: MlR at December 30, 2012 09:16 PM (vR2l5)

Not true, at least regarding the debt ceiling debate. And those 'Top Men' to whom you referred? Those are elected officials, not faceless appointed bureaucrats put in place by shadowy men in smoke-filled rooms. GOP leadership in the House and Senate is what it is, an expression of the will of the Republican-leaning electorate, more or less. Christine 'I'm not a witch' O'Donnell sunk herself. Miller wasn't strong enough to take on Murkowski, and that's on him--and the Alaskan GOP. Having his security people handcuff a reporter during his campaign didn't help.

Posted by: troyriser at December 30, 2012 09:54 PM (ptcFO)

223 @207. I have no problem with the party being destroyed. Maybe we can get better leadership if the party has to start from scratch. If party #2 goes down, then party #1 will turn on itself. It always happens (see elections of 1824 and 182

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 30, 2012 11:29 PM (Eq2MX)

224 Supposed to read elections of 1824 and 1828

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at December 30, 2012 11:30 PM (Eq2MX)

225 "The pussy Republicans are scared to death of SID."

Really?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 31, 2012 01:18 AM (A3ftE)

226 Screw you Harry, go ahead, throw in the towel and let it crumble down around our ankles. Then we can sort through the rubble and try to rebuild this once great Republic.

Posted by: rplat at December 31, 2012 08:46 AM (ew94K)






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