Shakespeare was correct [CharlieBrown'sD????]

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". - (Henry VI part 2, Act IV, Scene II).

The most delicious part of this is that if the Connecticut school shooting suit is approved (and that has yet to be decided), the plaintiff's attorney may very well call a representative of the NRA to explain how the presence of a $600 tool and the minimal training required to operate it may have been able to prevent this massacre.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 02:30 PM



Comments

1 Bet the local and state will settle out of court without admitting any responsibility.

Go to a jury trial with a a child. Even just video of the girl with a therapist. Even if you show the rest of her family are heroin smoking demons from an Islamic hell out for money. The jury will still award for damages.

They will also settle because its not their personal money. They can get more by raising taxes.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 02:31 PM (aq/Mf)

2 Yeah, 'cause money makes all your problems go away.


/s

Posted by: tcn at December 29, 2012 02:33 PM (VLG62)

3 No, what we should do is in several parts

1. Preferably totally eliminate ALL tort law unless dealing with a written contract.
2. If we can't do that eliminate joint and several liability which what this stupid case will hinge on.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 02:35 PM (53z96)

4
"Buck up, little flower. You're no Anne Frank".

---Judge Spongeworthy

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 29, 2012 02:36 PM (r5w1L)

5 $600?? Would they be buying their shit from DAve?

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 02:37 PM (I23Va)

6 Some of my closest friends are lawyers

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 29, 2012 02:37 PM (2ArJQ)

7 ouch I hurt myself


here- put some money on it

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:37 PM (8sCoq)

8 Some of my closest friends are lawyers

If they're paying you, dear, then they're not friends, they're clients.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 29, 2012 02:38 PM (o1kXv)

9 You may want to examine the context of that quote. Nah, don't bother.

Posted by: real joe at December 29, 2012 02:38 PM (PD2ad)

10 5 As long as I get my cut I don't care where it comes from

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 02:38 PM (XDC0v)

11 I feel like Travis Bickle

just shaved my head

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:39 PM (8sCoq)

12 A child who was in the building...why not class action on behalf of all children in the state? Hell, all children in the school system.

Traumatized by this incident, and the media hysteria reporting it.

Failure to protect....what does that not cover?

So the lawyer wins, and the precedent is set; it becomes the duty of the state to protect the children...

What could go wrong?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 29, 2012 02:41 PM (RTFHI)

13 ouch I hurt myselfhere- put some money on it
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:37 PM (8sCoq)


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Hey! Sometimes it works.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 02:41 PM (I23Va)

14 I was traumatized by Newtown- where's my money?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:41 PM (8sCoq)

15 This doesn't apply to me as Michelle and I have already surrendered our law licenses. Over what? I think that is a question that is none of your business.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama, Master of Time and Space at December 29, 2012 02:42 PM (Md8Uo)

16 So the lawyer wins, and the precedent is set; it becomes the duty of the state to protect the children... What could go wrong?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 29, 2012 02:41 PM (RTFHI)


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There are two ways this could go. You've just named one of them.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 02:43 PM (I23Va)

17 William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

Posted by: real joe at December 29, 2012 02:44 PM (PD2ad)

18 I believe you experience life at your own risk

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:45 PM (8sCoq)

19 Yeah, they'll probably end up paying someone. I'm sure there are a million and one "school defense" protocols that have been developed in recent decades. A lawyer will wave asheaf of them around..."You were aware of this suggestion by the Blah Blah Blah Association, were you not, Mister Superintendent? And yet you ignoredit andlet those children die??? And this one? And this one? You're a monster aren't you, Superintendent Witherspoon?... Aren't you!?!...(inject martyred sigh and trembling chin) ....That is all, ladies and genmtleman of the jury..."

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2012 02:46 PM (tkoGU)

20 This thread is the equivalent of "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice" for AmishDude. ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at December 29, 2012 02:47 PM (5H6zj)

21 That's totally inappropriate. It's lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous!

Posted by: Jackie Chiles, Esq. at December 29, 2012 02:48 PM (to2MA)

22 Why "Let it Burn", you ask?

Posted by: fluffy at December 29, 2012 02:49 PM (z9HTb)

23 Hey CBD, the plaintiff's name is "Jill Doe." Any relation?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 02:49 PM (to2MA)

24 My opening statment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4KR1zVqizo

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:51 PM (8sCoq)

25 Just an opinion. I think the Sandy incident, the anti-gun rhetoric, and the sharp increase in gun sales has made a few more people aware of just how precious the US Constitution is. Maybe I'm just daydreaming.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 02:51 PM (I23Va)

26 The lame dick who shot those defenseless people in CT shit his pants and blew his head off at the first whiff of armed police. I am sure the site of anyone with a gun would have had a similar effect

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 02:54 PM (jE38p)

27 Sad to say, but the end result of being alive is to die, ideally, at the end of a long life surrounded by family and friends.


There are no, nor can there be, guardians prescient enough to protect all of us from all of us. However, there are far too many who would accrue power to themselves by offering such a fool's solution.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 29, 2012 02:55 PM (Cnqmv)

28 My opening statment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4KR1zVqizo


One of the great lawyer movies of all time. I still wait for the case where I can stand in front of the jury box, slap my hands together, and say AH-DENTICAL!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 02:55 PM (to2MA)

29 Just love this blog. Where else would I be trying to make a serious comment about a post written by a plastic penis.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 02:56 PM (I23Va)

30 Soona, be thankful Polly does not guest blog.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 02:57 PM (aq/Mf)

31 @17 "But Richard...for Wales?

Yes, much as I like the idea of any declarer of a gun-free zone to have total responsibility for safety hung around his own neck, that should apply heavily to the dead and injured, not to the nonplussed.

Very soon, we will all hear the tape of what was on that intercom, depend upon it. Will we all, then, be parties to the suit? I can envision a polite and lawyerly letter from the accused here, apologizing for saving the child's life and offering equality with the other victims to even things out.

Posted by: comatus at December 29, 2012 02:58 PM (qaVK+)

32 > I still wait for the case where I can stand in front of the jury box, slap my hands together, and say AH-DENTICAL!


don't forget the 'hy-EEnus' nature of the offense

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 02:58 PM (8sCoq)

33 Yes, sue them. Sue everyone remotely involved in running a school without security. The principal that was shot, sue her estate. Send the message - if the state is going to force attendance under penalty of jail that kids must sit in a state owned bulding 8 hours a day, the building better be as secure as the White House.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 02:59 PM (2t6Gz)

34 Even a Nun with a ruler is more security than they had in that CT School.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 03:01 PM (jE38p)

35 Gun crime can be ended by confiscating all guns. But let's not lose perspective on the subway murders by pushing. After all, they on ly are murdered one at a time.nIf subways are outlawed, only outlaws will have subways.

Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg at December 29, 2012 03:01 PM (ufLRj)

36 This case will never see a courtroom. I don't think that the state or local governments in this instance can be sued. This attorney will go away with nothing but the publicity he garnered by attempting to sue. Maybe, in the end, that this was all he was looking for.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 29, 2012 03:01 PM (jucos)

37 20 This thread is the equivalent of "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice" for AmishDude. ;-)
Posted by: Y-not at December 29, 2012 02:47 PM (5H6zj)







Heh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 29, 2012 03:01 PM (NjJzM)

38
The main attraction of Gun Free Zones in schools for state and local government is that they cost almost nothing, and the liberals, who are the biggest pain in the ass for administrators, are the very airheads who will be impressed by this shit. Win-win... well, except for those parents with an IQ above room temperature, and all the children.

So maybe it is time to disabuse state and local governments of the fantasy that declaring gun-free zones in some way protects the occupants thereof, and there is no more effective disabuser of fantasies than getting your ass sued off.

Posted by: sherlock at December 29, 2012 03:02 PM (f29LO)

39 This case will never see a courtroom. I don't think that the state or local governments in this instance can be sued. This attorney will go away with nothing but the publicity he garnered by attempting to sue. Maybe, in the end, that this was all he was looking for.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 29, 2012 03:01 PM (jucos)
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Ha, yes, on the other hand, you must get permission to sue the state. So... permission denied.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 03:03 PM (2t6Gz)

40 "Preferably totally eliminate ALL tort law unless dealing with a written contract."

Congratulations. That's the stupidest thing I've seen all day.

First of all, contract actions and tort actions are separate. Some torts touch contract matters (tortious interference, etc.), but they are different causes of action.

But also stupid for a different reason. Medical malpractice? That's a tort. Negligence. If your doctor cuts off the wrong leg, or accidentally sterilizes you, or uses tainted instruments and gives you gangrene, 'oops, so sorry, kindly go die so I can see the next patient.'

Neighbor sets your house on fire with fireworks? Suck it up.

Rich drunk kills your kid with his car? No wrongful death compensation for you. He gets probation and you get an emptier house.

I've seen over the course of my time on this little planet that peoples hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their ignorance of law.

Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)

41 @33 I like how you think. You are as crazy as I am. My father, my son and I all went to the same high school, spread over a 68-year period. Each of us went there armed, each for a different reason. To hell with cops, guards and teachers. Arm the students, I say. And bargain back down from there. If necessary.

Posted by: comatus at December 29, 2012 03:05 PM (qaVK+)

42 "Preferably totally eliminate ALL tort law unless dealing with a written contract.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 02:35 PM (53z96)

Tort law has its uses...it keeps businesses in line. It is the judiciary that has allowed it to become the leviathan that it is today.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:06 PM (GsoHv)

43 Confucius say, good lawyer can indict ham sandwich


I'm sure some lawyer will find some judge that will let him sue somebody

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 03:06 PM (8sCoq)

44 Simplest tort reform - loser pays all legal fees for both sides.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:06 PM (aq/Mf)

45
Hey CBD, the plaintiff's name is "Jill Doe." Any relation?


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 02:49 PM

She has a brother Dill.

Posted by: Berserker at December 29, 2012 03:07 PM (FMbng)

46 One must be very careful in trying to interpret that infamous court ruling that the State does not have a duty to "protect" its citizens.


The case was DeShaney v. Winnebago County
Department of
Social Services. The ruling was no duty to protect except in the case of special circumstances because the claimants had sued under the due process clause of the 14th amendment. The ruling was narrow in that the 14th amendment due process clause did to "require" the State to act in the cases of bad private actions. It only limited gov actions.


In this case all the lawyer has to do is convince a jury that the school was "negligent" in some manner that gave them at least partial cause of the the injury. For example in this case the asshole shooter is 99% responsible and the school is 1% responsible.


Under joint and several liability laws they can then be held for 100% of the damages even though they only were adjudicated 1% of the fault.


With a jury empaneled from a county full of the FSA this would be very easy to do.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (53z96)

47 Posted by: sherlock at December 29, 2012 03:02 PM (f29LO)

The real problem with gun-free zones is they aren't big enough. Newtown proves that such school zones don't work. Chicago and DC prove that city wide zones don't work. What will work is a NATION-wide gun free zone!



Just like in the UK and Australia.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (Cnqmv)

48 Your words are hurtful.

Posted by: Johnny Hildo at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (tkoGU)

49 This case will never see a courtroom. I don't think that the state or local governments in this instance can be sued. This attorney will go away with nothing but the publicity he garnered by attempting to sue. Maybe, in the end, that this was all he was looking for.
Posted by: Truck Monkey


I'm sure the local pols would rather settle for a small amount because there's a political component. Sure the state can deny the suit because of lack of duty but how will that look if the lawyer starts holding press conferences in order to intimidate the pols?

The higher courts would probably back the rejection of the suit but the crowds must be obeyed by the pols. There are no adults in politics, only finger-in-the-wind narcissists.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (KDq5l)

50 "Preferably totally eliminate ALL tort law unless dealing with a written contract.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 02:35 PM (53z96)


Will you feel the same way when a rich drunk guy runs over your kid? Tort law has its place.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (to2MA)

51 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 02:49 PM (to2MA)

This is a warped and twisted place.

I love it!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (GsoHv)

52 Tort law has its uses...it keeps businesses in line.
It is the judiciary that has allowed it to become the leviathan that it
is today.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:06 PM (GsoHv)


That can be done in a 1000% better manner that "tort law".

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:09 PM (53z96)

53 I've seen over the course of my time on this little planet that peoples hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their ignorance of law.
Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)

Or maybe the massive numbers of lawyers and their inability to police their own dbags. Or maybe the lack of loser pays laws.

Maybe. Maybe your view is slanted.

Posted by: Invictus at December 29, 2012 03:10 PM (OQpzc)

54 That can be done in a 1000% better manner that "tort law".

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:09 PM (53z96)

800 years of Anglo-Saxon law says it can't.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GsoHv)

55 Will you feel the same way when a rich drunk guy runs over your kid? Tort law has its place.


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 03:08 PM (to2MA)

If a rich drunk guy runs over a kid in SC, unlike MA, he will get 25 years in jail. Him killing my child should not be a cause for bonus tort law and jackpot court awards.

He should go to jail and if involved in multiple cases like this executed.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:12 PM (53z96)

56
You're going to kill ace??!!!!!

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:12 PM (ymJbM)

57 So my younger daughter is driving to see her "boyfriend" in a snow storm here in NJ/NY today. She works full time, He is unemployed. He's a liberal. He has much more driving experience than her, especially in snow. He is a liberal. I am starting to take a real strong dislike to this prick. And he is a liberal.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 03:12 PM (jE38p)

58 800 years of Anglo-Saxon law says it can't.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GsoHv)


As a former Constitutional Law Professor and Community Organizer, I laugh at your Anglo-Saxon laws.

Posted by: Barry "Executive Order" Ochoomba at December 29, 2012 03:12 PM (Cnqmv)

59 I don't need no steenkin' lawyer.

Posted by: Squeaky Fromme at December 29, 2012 03:13 PM (tkoGU)

60 Nevergiveup, deep long lasting snow drifts are your friend. Won't find anything until spring.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:13 PM (aq/Mf)

61

This is just the first lawsuit, right?
Have there been any other suits filed?
I would think that there would be more...from the parents who lost children.

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (K4wCe)

62 Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)


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But even with what you've written, you've got to admit that tort is out of control. It's one of the reasons we have Ocare, because medicine has become an overly-expensive exercise in CYA.

And the seemingly endless list of anti-business rules and regulations is a direct result of civil law without guardrails.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (I23Va)

63 "I've seen over the course of my time on this little
planet that peoples hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their
ignorance of law."

Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)

Yes, it's the little people who need to be cared for by the smart, educated lawyers and their out-of-control system that is stacked against the truth.

The system is broken, but blaming ignorance of a dysfunctional legal system as the reason it is hated is ridiculous.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (GsoHv)

64
The girl's family should be thankful she is a live. But nooooo, they are going to make money off 26 dead people.

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (ymJbM)

65 800 years of Anglo-Saxon law says it can't.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GsoHv)


That is BS CBD. It is only in modern USA that tort law has been allowed to run amuck the way it has here. Only in the USA would there even be a possibility that some jackass lawyer and a plaintiff could sue a school for what some 20 year old shithead did.


I place 100% of the blame on lawyer-legislatures who write the laws to allow this kind of shit to happen. If it was left up to me we would have an amendment that forbid people with a JD from holding any public office other than DA.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (53z96)

66 Its a good microcosm of what is wrong with the country that it is parents of a surviving child who is alive because of luck or good actions from her teacher and aides in response to the scary intercom message they are saying traumatized her and they are going for a mega lotto payout, not suing to say that school districts must pay for police protection if they prevent staff from legally carrying.


Posted by: Palerider at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (FYUWS)

67 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 03:12 PM (jE38p)

He's a liberal?

It could be worse.

[actually, it can't be. I just couldn't think of anything else to say]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (GsoHv)

68 Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker. So according to public sentiment our son is the antichrist. I'll let him know.

Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)

69
I've seen over the course of my time on this little planet that peoples
hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their ignorance of law.

Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)


So speaketh the lawyer.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (53z96)

70 >>>59 I don't need no steenkin' lawyer.
Posted by: Squeaky Fromme

Should't that be I don't need no squeakin' lawyer?

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:17 PM (ymJbM)

71 If it was left up to me we would have an amendment that forbid people with a JD from holding any public office other than DA.


Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (53z96)

Add "loser pays" and you have the complete solution!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 29, 2012 03:17 PM (Cnqmv)

72 I don't need no steenkin' lawyer.

Posted by: Squeaky Fromme


Actually, you needed a gunsmith.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 03:17 PM (to2MA)

73 Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)

Check for birthmarks stat!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 29, 2012 03:17 PM (Cnqmv)

74
If there were no greedy dishonest clients, there would be no dishonest greedy squeakin' lawyers.

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:18 PM (ymJbM)

75 the nuns are definitely better security

oh and having the kindy at the ENTRANCE?!?! who does that? our kindy is all the way at the end farthest from the entrance, with it's own metal door that comes down for lockdown situations.

and this is at both children's catholic schools.

the other good thing about catholic schools is they don't put the very tiny children all alone in a school. it's preK thru 8th grade in one building.

UGH. am still so mad about this.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 29, 2012 03:20 PM (J6kXj)

76 Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (53z96)

I didn't say "modern American jurisprudence," I said Anglo-Saxon.

The system has been subverted, but that doesn't mean that the original system was fatally flawed.

Tort law is necessary. Lawsuits are necessary. Finding fault is necessary.

We just let it get out of hand.

And while I agree that the legislatures are responsible, if we had a few more judges who looked at these suits, and the scumbags who bring them, and say, "Get the fuck out of my courtroom with this shit, and enjoy your 10 days in jail for contempt," less of it would happen.

But, as you correctly point out, lawyers have screwed it up.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:20 PM (GsoHv)

77 >Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker.


why aren't you out buying diamonds and race horses and stuff, instead of posting with us morons

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 03:20 PM (8sCoq)

78 800 years of Anglo-Saxon law says it can't.

WERGIIIIIIILD!

Posted by: comatus at December 29, 2012 03:20 PM (qaVK+)

79 He's a liberal?

It could be worse.

[actually, it can't be. I just couldn't think of anything else to say]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (GsoHv)

And the little dick lives in NY near the CT border. Well and to top it off and in the theme of this thread, both his parents ate lawyers. Liberal lawyers. What did I do in my life to deserve this?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 03:21 PM (jE38p)

80
65...I place 100% of the blame on lawyer-legislatures who write the laws to allow this kind of shit to happen.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:14 PM (53z96)

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Law written by lawyers...for lawyers.
Hey, what could go wrong with that.

What other type of business gets to write their own rules, which enable them to enrich themselves?

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 03:21 PM (K4wCe)

81 Shakespeare was on the right track. Thunderdome would be more entertaining though.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2012 03:21 PM (w3+gB)

82
ace is a lawyer
ace is a lawyer
ace is a lawyer
ace is a lawyer
ace is a lawyer

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:21 PM (ymJbM)

83 Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)

My wife is an investment banker. But I have all the guns, so I can keep her in check...mostly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (GsoHv)

84 I'm skeptical in the extreme of this suit, mainly because of all the hoaxing and hoaxers who have attached themselves to the situation. The plaintiff is "Jill Doe" - and the suit itself may be originated by a hoaxer who has found a willing dupe in the attorney - or the suit may be a publicity stunt, formed around a "do something" mission, and even (beyond unethical, worthy of disbarrment) client fishing. These things have happened before in other cases, and many fakers and glommers-on have already pounced on the opportunity of Newtown.

For example, the Newtown hoax Uncle "Fanapt" is known for suing under other peoples names.There is the hideous woman, Nouel Alba, who was arrested
Thursday after making up stories about having to identify
her
nephew's body in order to raise money for a "funeral fund" for the
victims.

A hoaxer even pretended to be Adam Lanza's brother, and gave an interview to the NY Post.

I would not be shocked to find that "Jill Doe" is a faker, a hoaxer, or even non-existent.

Posted by: SarahW at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (LYwCh)

85 #18 is the thread winner, IMHO. I am absolutely using that in my classes this semester.

Posted by: Jmel at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (9tSXa)

86 'both his parents ate lawyers. Liberal lawyers'

Well they did eat liberal lawyers. So there is something good to be said, for the parents.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (aq/Mf)

87 WVA v Syracuse in the snow at Yankee Stadium

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (8sCoq)

88 Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker. So according to public sentiment our son is the antichrist. I'll let him know.
Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)


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Nah. Just tell him he's going to be getting more pussy than he could ever dream of.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (I23Va)

89 The main attraction of Gun Free Zones in schools for state and local government is that they cost almost nothing, and the liberals, who are the biggest pain in the ass for administrators, are the very airheads who will be impressed by this shit.







If these leftist douchenozzles can't have the gun-free-zone fantasy beaten out of their skulls, i wish we could dump the lockdown protocols that give the victims no chance for escape. All too often these mass killings have the common factor of the killer standing between the victims and the only exit door.

Of course, that means that the authorities have less control of the people in the building. So again, control of individuals equals mass death.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (NjJzM)

90 In light of recent events I am creationg a hurricane free zone covering all of NYC. This is the best way I can think of to protect our citizens from future disasters such as what has recently taken place.

Posted by: mayor chump bloomberg at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (0JB89)

91 Add "loser pays" and you have the complete solution!


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 29, 2012 03:17 PM (Cnqmv)

Loser pays by itself is not enough. You must also get rid of joint and several liability. If I read the statute right, CT has a modified joint and several liability. It is joint liability unless the defendant can not pay after 1 year. Since the defendant is dead in this case that point is moot.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (53z96)

92 Jmel, "Life is fatal, no one gets out alive."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (aq/Mf)

93 77 I have people who do that for me.

Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (XwChs)

94
If you've noticed Ace's weird hours, it's because he works night court, specializing in the defense of tranny hookers.

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (ymJbM)

95 Okay, doing an adhesive tile project (tiny guest bathroom) todayand I very responsibly switched from box cutters and razor blades to scissors and tile snips whenI cracked my first beer. Then after my second beerI switched to letting the wife cut the tiles. Now I'm waiting to be called back to duty. On my fourth beer, considering taking a swig of moonshine.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2012 03:24 PM (tkoGU)

96 >#18 is the thread winner, IMHO. I am absolutely using that in my classes this semester.

Posted by: Jmel at December 29, 2012 03:22 PM (9tSXa)

glad to help

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 03:24 PM (8sCoq)

97 USAAmmo has AR's for sale. Get 'em while they got 'em: http://tinyurl.com/cy27f9l

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 03:24 PM (XDC0v)

98 97 AND AR mags

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 03:25 PM (XDC0v)

99 The plot context of that Shakespeare quote is damned interesting, in light of what we're discussing, or the other sorts of desperation that usually lead to that demand. There are better Shakespeare scholars than I in the group, so I'll let someone else expound. Suffice it to say, it wasn't the motto carved over the Globe box office.

Posted by: comatus at December 29, 2012 03:26 PM (qaVK+)

100 You must also get rid of joint and several
liability.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:23 PM (53z96)

This I agree with.

If you are 1% liable, then you should pay 1% of the settlement.

Anything else is insanity.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 03:26 PM (GsoHv)

101 Sad to say, but the end result of being alive is to die, ideally, at the end of a long life surrounded by family and friends whisky, cocaine and eighteen year old cheerleaders.

FIFY.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 29, 2012 03:26 PM (o1kXv)

102 2
Yeah, 'cause money makes all your problems go away.

***

It does if your biggest problem is not having a cheeseburger

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 29, 2012 03:28 PM (SkyIE)

103 Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker. So according to public sentiment our son is the antichrist. I'll let him know.
Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)
---------------------------------------------------
Did you name him Damien? Don't let him ride his trike down the second floor hallway at the same time you are on a step ladder. Take my word for it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 29, 2012 03:30 PM (jucos)

104 74 If there were no greedy dishonestclients, there would be no dishonest greedy squeakin' lawyers.

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 03:18
_____
partially correct. But I am familiar with many cases where a client with no chance in hell to win a case was.encouraged by said lawyer....and these poor fools were quickly parted from their money...and it should be said....there are a lot of ethical lawyers out there as well....as in every profession there are good and bad apples. I think the law profession inherently attracts a higher density of bad...but have no data to back this claim.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 29, 2012 03:30 PM (0JB89)

105 The plot context of that Shakespeare quote is damned interesting, in light of what we're discussing, or the other sorts of desperation that usually lead to that demand. There are better Shakespeare scholars than I in the group, so I'll let someone else expound. Suffice it to say, it wasn't the motto carved over the Globe box office.
Posted by: comatus


IIRC, it was spoken by the comedic foil not the protagonist. Also, lawyers under a system of monarchy aren't the same animal as our current set of *betters.*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 29, 2012 03:31 PM (KDq5l)

106 Never shared the public sentiment for lawyers myself. Had the epiphany that lawyers were awesome in my brief stint as a juvenile delinquent 35 years ago. Got felony auto theft reduced to misdemeanor joy riding. From that day on I've highly respected lawyers. Oh, and learned my lesson. Never stole a car again.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 03:32 PM (2t6Gz)

107 List of gun shows upcoming in the state of Mississippi
http://www.mississippigunshows.com/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:32 PM (aq/Mf)

108 BTW for all you lawyers. I have no problems with criminal lawyers and lawyers who sue to enforce contracts.


However, tort matters should be handled by the individuals involved explaining their own cases to a panel of "judges" taken at random from the voting rolls much like juries.


Matters involving reckless homicide should be handled as criminal cases, not tort.


Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:33 PM (53z96)

109 When they say it's not about the money, it's about the money.

Public pressure to go away will be intense when this gets publicity. Our society will not stand for cashing in on tragedy, especially this one.


Posted by: Razor at December 29, 2012 03:33 PM (mw5pH)

110 partially correct. But I am familiar with many cases where a client with no chance in hell to win a case was.encouraged by said lawyer....and these poor fools were quickly parted from their money...and it should be said....there are a lot of ethical lawyers out there as well....as in every profession there are good and bad apples. I think the law profession inherently attracts a higher density of bad...but have no data to back this claim.
Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 29, 2012 03:30 PM (0JB89)


----------------------------------------------


I know a lot of them are as leftist as Dear Leader.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:34 PM (I23Va)

111 You can't know how I suffer, being right ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2012 03:34 PM (75Nf2)

112 >>>Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker. So according
to public sentiment our son is the antichrist. I'll let him know.

Posted by: NCKate at December 29, 2012 03:16 PM (XwChs)

With this level of pedigree, your son is qualified to be Obama's Death Camp Czar. He's a shoe-in if he cheats on his taxes.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2012 03:34 PM (w3+gB)

113 Our society will not stand for cashing in on tragedy, especially this one.

Posted by: Razor at December 29, 2012 03:33 PM (mw5pH)



You left out the <sarc> tags.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 03:35 PM (53z96)

114 He's a shoe-in if he cheats on his taxes.
Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2012 03:34 PM (w3+gB)


Define cheating on your taxes? Now, we're not talking about creative accounting are we?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 29, 2012 03:35 PM (jE38p)

115 Is it still true that the US has 5% of the world's population and 70% of the worlds lawyers?

Posted by: Invictus at December 29, 2012 03:36 PM (OQpzc)

116 You don't need to kill them, BTW. Just tax them. A lot. The legal profession should not be a destination for notions young people and it shouldn't be a universal credential for bureaucracy.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2012 03:36 PM (75Nf2)

117 >>>Great. I'm an attorney. My husband is an investment banker. So according
to public sentiment our son is the antichrist. I'll let him know.

Pictures of your tits or it didn't happen.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:36 PM (zlvkY)

118 #92 is good too, especially when I teach Julius Caesar. I am starting to think that there aren't really that many morons around here. I might also rip off Cicero's comment about speaking consequences MFers! Cleaned up, of course..

Posted by: Jmel at December 29, 2012 03:37 PM (9tSXa)

119 Public pressure to go away will be intense when this gets publicity. Our society will not stand for cashing in on tragedy, especially this one.
Posted by: Razor at December 29, 2012 03:33 PM (mw5pH)


-----------------------------------------------


Ah. Just like some people connected some way to the OKC bombing. Every anniversery, they're out there demanding they get more money.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:37 PM (I23Va)

120 >>>Define cheating on your taxes? Now, we're not talking about creative accounting are we?

I'm thinking more along the lines of a Turbo Timmy model.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2012 03:38 PM (w3+gB)

121 Notions should be "ambitious". Which lawyer invented autocorrect?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2012 03:38 PM (75Nf2)

122
109...Our society will not stand for cashing in on tragedy, especially this one.

I wish this were true, Razor...but unfortunately, it's not.

The Dems immediately started exploiting this tragedy for their own agenda.
Not for money, I grant you.
But exploiting it nonetheless.


Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 03:38 PM (K4wCe)

123 >>>Never stole a car again.

Good boy. Here's a fucking cookie.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:38 PM (zlvkY)

124 90% tax on trial lawyers' fees

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 29, 2012 03:38 PM (8sCoq)

125 My brother's a lawyer.

He also can't shoot for shit.

Can't putt, either.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:40 PM (zlvkY)

126 Couple of times I've needed them, I pay them in cash. And they give me a receipt on a piece of torn off legal pad. I'm sure it gets promptly reported on their taxes, as when people pay me in cash.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 03:41 PM (2t6Gz)

127 We need to quit voting in lawyers for congress. That's most of our problem right there.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:42 PM (I23Va)

128
25 Just an opinion. I think the Sandy incident, the anti-gun rhetoric, and the sharp increase in gun sales has made a few more people aware of just how precious the US Constitution is. Maybe I'm just daydreaming.

Until someone bitch slaps a TSA worker when they grab someone's nether region, I'm not so hopeful. Don't forget the new wire tap law that just got passed.

Privacy? never heard of it.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 29, 2012 03:42 PM (BDH94)

129
127 We need to quit voting in lawyers for congress. That's most of our problem right there.

This.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 29, 2012 03:43 PM (BDH94)

130 >>> I'm sure it gets promptly reported on their taxes, as when people pay me in cash.

With my lawyer-brother, I get some pretty cheap legal help, but not free. He'd do it for free, but I pay him.

In cash, of course.

I once got a real estate closing out of him for a VERY expensive set of greens fees. Fucking awesome course.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:43 PM (zlvkY)

131 I know a lotof them are as leftist as Dear Leader.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:34 PM
I know a few that consider the JEF as a moderate. One even started an argument once..."the centrist Obammmmmma".

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 29, 2012 03:43 PM (0JB89)

132 If there is one lawyer in town he'll be a decent middle class guy.

If there are two lawyers in town, they'll be the two richest guys in town.

Letting them breed is just a bad idea.

Posted by: Invictus at December 29, 2012 03:44 PM (OQpzc)

133 >>Can't putt, either.

Got the yips?

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2012 03:44 PM (1jJ7K)

134 >>Can't putt, either.



>>>Got the yips?

He reads greens like I read speed limit signs.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:46 PM (zlvkY)

135 You're all right. Every single person with a JD is a terrible, horrible, innumerate, idiotic, pathetic, worthless waste of DNA who is incapable of anything resembling coherent thought.


Every. Single. One.


Oh. Wait. What advanced degree does the namesake of this blog have again? *taps chin*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 29, 2012 03:46 PM (Gk3SS)

136 OK. Gotta go take The Boy to see The Hobbit.

Does it suck as much as everybody says?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:47 PM (zlvkY)

137 I've seen over the course of my time on this little planet that peoples hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their ignorance of law.
Posted by: Dawnfire at December 29, 2012 03:04 PM (eEeH7)

That and there are shitload of lazy ass lawyers that are money grubbing assholes that have the ethical standards of a death row inmate.



Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at December 29, 2012 03:47 PM (/7Xis)

138 I hate class action lawsuits. Only the lawyers get rich. The damaged get $2 each.

Posted by: Ronster at December 29, 2012 03:47 PM (JgkPs)

139 The family who hired the shyster are more tone-deaf than TFG. Hope they quit all of their social networks. It's gonna get ugly.

Posted by: Roy at December 29, 2012 03:47 PM (tiOTz)

140 *holds alex's umbrella gingerly*

Hey girl! What up?!?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:48 PM (zlvkY)

141 Alexthechick, Polly should be a blog lawyer....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:48 PM (aq/Mf)

142 Speaking of lawyers. I've got to change out my cats' shit box. brb.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 03:48 PM (I23Va)

143 Hey girl! What up?!?


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:48 PM (zlvkY)



Watching to see how the Tarheels are going to fuck up this time and you?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 29, 2012 03:50 PM (Gk3SS)

144 I've learned from TV that district atty's and police inflate charges (and add multiple charges ) to cajole and intimidate accused into settling. IF the accused gets a good atty, things get watered down significantly. If the accused gets a crap atty and doesn't settle, all the intimidation charges stand, go to trial and then poor bastard goes to jail longer only because he didn't play the system right.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 03:50 PM (/jHWN)

145 >>>I hate class action lawsuits.

Depends. You're talking about class actions that allege "Energizer claimed their batteries lasted twice as long, when they only lasted 1.73 times as long, therefore you owe the lawyers 14 million in fees and the damaged get a coupon good toward more of your inferior batteries."

In big matters, such as the current foreclosure clusterfuck, when real money is at stake, class actions can do real good. Take the banks down in force, instead of picking at them one at a time.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:51 PM (zlvkY)

146 Isn't Gabriel a lawyer too? There are plenty of decent lawyers. The big time ambulance chasers like the one involved in this suit may not be nor is Gloria Alred, but good ones are around.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 29, 2012 03:51 PM (VLe4D)

147 Let me get this straight, you have one profession that writes the law, passes the law, enforces the law, adjudicates the law, and represents both sides in cases, ¤and¤ they're butthurt that everyone doesn't like them?
.
News flash, not everyone likes the mafia either, and they have half the racket you do.
.
Sure there are some great ideas in the field, there just doesn't appear to be any trend as far as lawyers working toward those ideas as opposed to against them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at December 29, 2012 03:52 PM (YZizW)

148 Just peeking in your window as usual, my love.

Put on the stompy boots. I'm feeling frisky.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:52 PM (zlvkY)

149 >>Isn't Gabriel a lawyer too?

Archangel

Posted by: garrett at December 29, 2012 03:52 PM (1jJ7K)

150 Something a bit different than all the lawyer talk. From Korea....
http://youtu.be/s3Q5ueF6Y3M

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:53 PM (aq/Mf)

151 If district atty's and police were held accountable for over-reaching in charging , they would be realistic. But their mostly not and they play the game. If not for outrageous charges, most defendants wouldn't hire or need expensive defense attys. I could be convinced I'm wrong.. but I'm cynical and don't like lawyers.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 03:53 PM (/jHWN)

152 I figure it's every man's/woman's responsibility to dork as many lawyers
in the squeekhole as humanly possible. At some point in the distant
future, ordinary citizens may eventually even the score.

Posted by: Fritz at December 29, 2012 03:55 PM (w3+gB)

153 Out of every 5 lawyers, 4 of them will be clueless fucks.

Oddly, that tends to follow the population as a whole.

I've met lawyers with the reading comprehension of a bottle of ketchup, lawyers that can't balance their checkbooks, lawyers with crack addictions, lawyers with gambling debts. You name it.

I've also met brilliant lawyers who go nowhere in their careers because they present their cases to other lawyers: judges. And judges are generally lawyers who couldn't make it in private practice.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:56 PM (zlvkY)

154 You try running for congress as "not a lawyer" and see how far you get.

There are some folks who aren't lawyers, but congress is rarely their first government job.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (I2LwF)

155
So maybe it is time to disabuse state and local governments of the fantasy that declaring gun-free zones in some way protects the occupants thereof
Posted by: sherlock at December 29, 2012 03:02 PM (f29LO)


Are you saying "nuclear-free cities" aren't immune to nuclear attack?

Nobody tell Berkeley.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (4u2LN)

156 >>Isn't Gabriel a lawyer too?



>>>Archangel

Wow. Man, my immortal soul demands I don't make this joke.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (zlvkY)

157 144 - I see a lot of people on TV totally screw themselves by talking. Would be pretty frustrating being a lawyer with a client that doesn't know how to STFU. None of my kids ever did anything close to the shit I did as a kid. I think it skips generations, but I've told them repeatedly over the years, if you ever get in trouble keep your mouth shut, don't try and explain, take the ride to booking, and don't say shit or you get no help from me. Luckily they are goodie goodies.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (2t6Gz)

158 I think I need to sue the maker of this video for mental anguish
http://youtu.be/ghrDIQ-K8mg

Somethings even a 55 gallon drum of brain bleach and 5 miles of mental floss won't erase.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (aq/Mf)

159 more lawyers >>> more lawsuits >>> more stupid lawsuits >>> more stupid rules and regulations to protect liability to stupid lawsuits >>> people can't sneeze without wondering if it will get them sued/wondering who they *can* sue = why this country is so f'd up today.

Oh, and add baby boomer mentality to the front of that list.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 29, 2012 03:58 PM (3JFLq)

160 >>If you've noticed Ace's weird hours, it's because he works night court, specializing in the defense of tranny hookers.

OMG, He's Hairy* Anderson.**

*(sic)
**yes, I know he was the judge, not the defense lawyer

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 29, 2012 03:58 PM (SUKHu)

161 >>>I figure it's every man's/woman's responsibility to dork as many lawyers

in the squeekhole as humanly possible.

When I was a single man, I only fucked young lawyers. Those chicks were so used to being abused at the office that a slap on the ass was nothing.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:59 PM (zlvkY)

162 Wow. Man, my immortal soul demands I don't make this joke.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (zlvkY)



Don't worry, I put the bell jar in the other room so go right ahead.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 29, 2012 03:59 PM (Gk3SS)

163 You try running for congress as "not a lawyer" and see how far you get.



There are some folks who aren't lawyers, but congress is rarely their first government job.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (I2LwF)

-----------------
Ron Johnson. Senator. Accountant and machine operator.

Posted by: mama winger at December 29, 2012 03:59 PM (P6QsQ)

164 “This tendency to play games with people’s lives is one of the reasons that, when people quote Henry VI about lawyers, they don’t care what Shakespeare’s original meaning was.”

We keep talking about the coming implosion here; what’s going to happen to lawyers—good or bad—if the implosion actually comes?

It isn’t going to be enough to just say, well, Shakespeare didn’t mean it that way.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 29, 2012 04:00 PM (CeNUw)

165 Markie Post was pretty hot.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 29, 2012 04:00 PM (3JFLq)

166 "both his parents ate lawyers. Liberal lawyers."

Well, these parents must have strong teeth and a hearty appetite. Those liberal lawyers are usually the scrawny, vegan types. I bet they needed to be marinated.

Have you asked for their recipe?


Posted by: east of nowhere at December 29, 2012 04:01 PM (yr6cF)

167 >>Don't worry, I put the bell jar in the other room so go right ahead.

I know. I have the closet door cracked. When did these hinges start squeaking? Need me to fix that, my love?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:01 PM (zlvkY)

168 Is Polly or the squirrels the keeper of the bell jar?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:02 PM (aq/Mf)

169 Going to a retirement party tonight that will be full of liberal lawyers.

Cannot. Wait.

*kill me now*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 29, 2012 04:02 PM (UOM48)

170 @157... The exact lawyer advice I got 20 years ago by a attorney friend a ta party was.. if you EVER get questioned by cops/ traffic stop, etc, say as little as possible and if arrested, shut up period. Human nature is to talk. Cops/DA's count on it.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:03 PM (/jHWN)

171 >>>Those liberal lawyers are usually the scrawny, vegan types.

Well, first you have to keep them in clean water for a couple weeks before slaughter. It helps flush them out. You don't want to eat a liberal fresh since they're full of shit.

People in Rockaway recently learned this basic culinary lesson.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:03 PM (zlvkY)

172 Re my post at 169, anyone know where I can pick up a can of Liquid Ass?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 29, 2012 04:03 PM (UOM48)

173 Not feeling the love in this thread, man.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 29, 2012 04:04 PM (to2MA)

174 I know. I have the closet door cracked. When did these hinges start squeaking? Need me to fix that, my love?


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:01 PM (zlvkY)



If you would please.


Is Polly or the squirrels the keeper of the bell jar?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:02 PM (aq/Mf)



Oh neither. The bell jars are guarded by something. Else. Shall we say.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 29, 2012 04:04 PM (Gk3SS)

175 >>>Going to a retirement party tonight that will be full of liberal lawyers.

*turns on news*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:04 PM (zlvkY)

176 Jane D'oh, no Ex-Lax brownies or fudge?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:04 PM (aq/Mf)

177 Liquid Ass is way overrated...

Posted by: Worm riddled corpse of Senator Ted Kennedy at December 29, 2012 04:05 PM (/jHWN)

178 Re my post at 169, anyone know where I can pick up a can of Liquid Ass?

If you're willing to buy in bulk you can save big.

Posted by: Smeg-Mart at December 29, 2012 04:05 PM (to2MA)

179 Scottish fold kittehs with tentacles perhaps?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:05 PM (aq/Mf)

180 We can actually punish lawyers for a lot, including holding elective office. We can use bar membership against them.

Also, I don't see how bar associations aren't subject to gigantic RICO lawsuits.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2012 04:05 PM (xwCKn)

181 I think I need to sue the maker of this video for mental anguishhttp://youtu.be/ghrDIQ-K8mgSomethings even a 55 gallon drum of brain bleach and 5 miles of mental floss won't erase.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:57 PM (aq/Mf)


------------------------------------------------


That must have been taped in CA or NY. I've never seen anything like that trash here in OK. We get weirdos, but not grotesque weirdos.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:06 PM (I23Va)

182 I am disappointed in morons. You did not see the real opportunity here.

The lawsuit should go to the REALLY deep pockets. This poor Jane Doe was traumatized by the television networks! Cameras in her face, making her relive the incident, camping outside her home with big trucks and large lights, shouting at her whenever she left the house.

On top of that they reported incorrect information which made her think that there were more dead people than actually were, that there might be another killer on the loose, and incorrectly identified a friend's house as that of the shooter.

Major lawsuit against the networks, that is what I would advise. Haul all of those people into court!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 29, 2012 04:06 PM (GoIUi)

183 Whenever I picture alexthechick, I see a redhead in a short plaid skirt with stompy boots. That's just hot.

And by "picture" I mean "the cameras I installed are working".

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:06 PM (zlvkY)

184 >>>anyone know where I can pick up a can of Liquid Ass?

I'm headed for White Castle right now.

Give me 3 hours.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 29, 2012 04:07 PM (zlvkY)

185 Jane D'oh buy a burner phone in another town's Wal-Mart with cash. Call in a bomb threat from a park in another town for where the party is being held. Turn off phone. Drive another two miles, wipe phone down, and toss phone into someone's trash can.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:10 PM (aq/Mf)

186
159 more lawyers >>> more lawsuits >>> more stupid lawsuits >>> more stupid rules and regulations to protect liability to stupid lawsuits >>> people can't sneeze without wondering if it will get them sued/wondering who they *can* sue = why this country is so f'd up today.

Oh, and add baby boomer mentality to the front of that list.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 29, 2012 03:58 PM (3JFLq)

-------------

Something that happened in the Baby Boomer generation...the VietNam War...resulted in a boom in thelawyer population.

Student deferrments to the draft resulted in lots of people going to college that otherwise might not have gone.
And getting a law degree was considered to be a ticket to prosperity.

The result was...a lot of hungry lawyers out there, looking for new things to sue for.

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 04:10 PM (K4wCe)

187 I see a redhead in a short plaid skirt with stompy boots

Great, now I'm thinking of that one LiLo pic ...

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 29, 2012 04:11 PM (tR6Ai)

188 How 'bout Plaid Stompy Boots.
Best of both worlds

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cszw67s

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 29, 2012 04:11 PM (GBDbf)

189 Had a friend going through divorce tell his wife it'd be cheaper to kill her over the phone. Police show up, and the dumb ass tries explaining what he really meant. Spent a three day weekend in jail. As he's telling me the story, thinking I'd sympathize with his side of the story better than the cops did all I could think was, why didn't you just shut up when they came you dumb ass. Instead you admitted to it but tried watering it down.

Posted by: Whatev at December 29, 2012 04:11 PM (2t6Gz)

190 So Soona, think we can now have a class action suit against the video maker?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:11 PM (aq/Mf)

191 Oh hey speaking of redheads in short plaid skirts, Bad Kids Go To Hell trailer - http://youtu.be/8fNTTJENaZg



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at December 29, 2012 04:12 PM (Gk3SS)

192 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:10 PM (aq/Mf



Heh. *jots down Anna's idea for future use*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 29, 2012 04:13 PM (UOM48)

193 Collings Foundation schedule: http://tinyurl.com/nwfox

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 04:16 PM (XDC0v)

194 Maybe, just maybe the positive outcome of this lawsuit would be to show how school systems/ Government, should be held to account for gun-free zone law/regulations actually put children AT risk of a shooting incident.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:16 PM (/jHWN)

195 Student deferrments to the draft resulted in lots of people going to college that otherwise might not have gone. And getting a law degree was considered to be a ticket to prosperity. The result was...a lot of hungry lawyers out there, looking for new things to sue for.
Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 04:10 PM (K4wCe)


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Hmmm. I think I'll disagree with you somewhat. The selective service qualifications had something to do with it, that's for sure. But I don't think we really saw the explosion of lawyers until the tv series "LA Law" came out. If you noticed, most of the lawyers are relatively young.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:17 PM (I23Va)

196 One of the big reasons that lawyers should not hold elective office is that the world they inhabit bears no resemblance to real life: it's always a zero-sum game, no transaction is wholly voluntary, there is a resolution from a single party whose word is final, there are no unintended consequences after the verdict, there is no math.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 29, 2012 04:17 PM (uzj/t)

197 I figure it's every man's/woman's responsibility to dork as many lawyers in the squeekhole as humanly possible. At some point in the distant future, ordinary citizens may eventually even the score.

A coed visits her gynecologist. She explains that the law student she is currently dating insists on anal sex. "I can't get pregnant that way, can I Doc?"

The Doc replies, "I'm afraid you can. Where do you think lawyers come from anyway?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 29, 2012 04:19 PM (yiIja)

198

What gets me, is the...'legal precedent'.

This essentially makes all lawyers, potentiallawmakers.
Because if they can win a suit, then a new 'precedent' is set...thereby changing the Law, or creating a new one.

How is this a good thing?

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 04:20 PM (K4wCe)

199 So Soona, think we can now have a class action suit against the video maker?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:11 PM (aq/Mf)


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I think I could sue for at least enough for a new braile computer. My eyesight has definitely been affected.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:21 PM (I23Va)

200
"Will you feel the same way when a rich drunk guy runs over your kid? Tort law has its place."

If a poor drunk guy runs over your kid, the kid is just as dead. Is the presence of a pot of money gonna bring him back? Does that make it better? The drunk driver is just as devestated. The kid is just as dead. But hey, blood sucking leaches gotta suck blood!
Tim, not a huge fan of tort lawyers. " Hey did you just slip and fall?"

Posted by: freeTibet with purchase ofequal or greater value Tibet at December 29, 2012 04:21 PM (quLHy)

201 The lawyer is standing at the gate to Heaven and St. Peter is listing his sins:



1) Defending a large corporation in a pollution suit where he knew it was guilty.



2) Defending an obviously guilty murderer because the fee was high.



3) Overcharging fees to many clients.



4) Persecuting an innocent woman because a scapegoat was needed in a controversial case.



And the list went on for quite awhile...



The lawyer objects and begins to argue his case. He admits all these
things, but argues, "Wait, I've done some charity in my life also." St.
Peter looks in his book and says,"Yes, I see. Once you gave a dime to a
panhandler and once you gave an extra nickel to the shoeshine boy,
correct?"



The lawyer gets a smug look on his face and replies, "Yes."



St. Peter turns to the angel next to him and says,
















"Give this guy 15 cents and tell him to go to hell."

Posted by: east of nowhere at December 29, 2012 04:22 PM (yr6cF)

202 200 OK but what if the kid is crippled?

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 04:23 PM (XDC0v)

203 Soona, perhaps this video will help restore your eyesight.
http://youtu.be/U7mPqycQ0tQ

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:23 PM (aq/Mf)

204
195...Hmmm. I think I'll disagree with you somewhat. The selective service qualifications had something to do with it, that's for sure. But I don't think we really saw the explosion of lawyers until the tv series "LA Law" came out. If you noticed, most of the lawyers are relatively young.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:17 PM (I23Va)

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'LA Law' was startedin the 80's...about baby boomer lawyers.
And yeah, it probablyhelped proliferate thenumber of more lawyers...

But thelaw industry had already been expanded by the baby boomer lawyers, into a 'target rich' environment for new lawyers to take advantage of.

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 04:28 PM (K4wCe)

205
"You're a high-priced lawyer! If I give you $500, will you answer
two questions for me?"

"Absolutely! What's the second question?"

Posted by: east of nowhere at December 29, 2012 04:28 PM (yr6cF)

206 Soona, perhaps this video will help restore your eyesight.http://youtu.be/U7mPqycQ0tQ
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 04:23 PM (aq/Mf)


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Better. Except........well.......they were really really young. Could I be sued for that?

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:30 PM (I23Va)

207 Kentucky-Louisville playing a good one on CBS. Early, tied at 18.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2012 04:32 PM (tkoGU)

208 OK but what if the kid is crippled?
Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of all internet gun sales at December 29, 2012 04:23 PM (XDC0v)


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How badly crippled?

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:32 PM (I23Va)

209 that isn't until March and I'm supposed to "bring my gun".(And 500 rounds/day, I think).
Any advice?
Tim
Posted by: freeTibet with purchase ofequal or greater value Tibet at December 29, 2012 03:51 PM (quLHy)


I'd reccomend you look at you look at
Glock
Springfield XD
Springfirld XD
a full size .357 revolver


you don't have to shoot .357 in the revolver but can also shoot .38 Special which has noticeably less recoil

ammo on the Glocks or Xd's 9mm is cheaper, .40S&W and .45ACP hit harder but are more expensive

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 04:34 PM (jfSqj)

210 Well, I'm off to the airport! Wish me luck!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 04:34 PM (I2LwF)

211 207 Kentucky-Louisville playing a good one on CBS. Early, tied at 18.
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2012 04:32 PM (tkoGU)


That's a weird score for a football game.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 04:35 PM (I2LwF)

212 Kentucky-Louisville playing a good one on CBS. Early, tied at 18.

Football on TV + snow = One Very Happy Boy, especially since it's in the mid-70's here right now. Guinness and American Honey may be involved.

Of course, it'll get down into the 30's tonight, but it's still fun.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 29, 2012 04:35 PM (yiIja)

213 Lord, what fools these mortals be!

Posted by: Puck at December 29, 2012 04:36 PM (jfUIE)

214 Every day liberals find a way to disgust me a little bit more than the day before.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 29, 2012 04:36 PM (HDgX3)

215 I saw Nancy Pelosi's face on TV and I vomited for 24 hours straight. Can I sue CNN for $100 million?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 29, 2012 04:38 PM (HDgX3)

216 CT. Someone either buzzed in a guy with a Bushmaster or it was left in the car.

Posted by: Butters at December 29, 2012 04:38 PM (NIZHJ)

217 Hoops, not football...Unless you're just yanking my chain. Either way, I'm watching while eating a Hate-chicken sandwichwith a side salad, waffle fries and a strawberry shake, so I win.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 29, 2012 04:38 PM (tkoGU)

218 Someone either buzzed in a guy with a Bushmaster or it was left in the car.
Posted by: Butters at December 29, 2012 04:38 PM (NIZHJ)


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Or he was hiding it in his underwear.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:39 PM (I23Va)

219 We're watching Lego Ninjago. Ah the joy of children!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 04:40 PM (I2LwF)

220 We have about a hundred lawyers running around at work. Quite a varied cast.

Posted by: Cricket at December 29, 2012 04:41 PM (2ArJQ)

221 But, again, I am off to the airport!

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 04:41 PM (I2LwF)

222 I "read" where the killer either bashed out the window next to the door and buzzed himself in or shot out the window... that's how they were alerted something was amiss... the school nurse and another office worker hit when they heard the shooting start after the glass breaking... ( could ALL be incorrect by now..)

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:44 PM (/jHWN)

223 Is Jake in ID still here? could you school me quickly on grains?

9mm115 v. 9mm 146 etc.

Does this affect recoil?

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:44 PM (lkjWK)

224 Truman.. Have a safe flight! Miss you already!

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:45 PM (/jHWN)

225 44
Simplest tort reform - loser pays all legal fees for both sides.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 29, 2012 03:06 PM (aq/Mf)

Even simpler: loser's lawyer pays.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at December 29, 2012 04:45 PM (2VCZA)

226
You would think that two weeks after the shooting they would have their shit together enough to get the basic facts right.

Posted by: red at December 29, 2012 04:46 PM (ymJbM)

227 I'll help... grains as in grains of powder, ie, a measure of weight

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:46 PM (/jHWN)

228 Re my post at 169, anyone know where I can pick up a can of Liquid Ass?

Yes. You can find it in many stores in cans marked "Red Bull".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 29, 2012 04:46 PM (46pA5)

229 more powder... more torque at rest, so to speak

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:47 PM (/jHWN)

230
221But, again, I am off to the airport!

Safe trip, Truman. Good luck.

And may your genital groping session be a pleasurable one.

Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 04:48 PM (K4wCe)

231 Oh, haha, I'm not flying anywhere.

I dress up in a big black beard, big dark sunglasses, and a turban. Then I sit right outside the international departure terminal, right on the curb, with a sign reading "complimentary bag re-packing service" in English, French and Arabic.

It's a little public service I offer out of the goodness of my heart, especially right before holidays.

Posted by: Your Moron pal, Truman at December 29, 2012 04:48 PM (I2LwF)

232 Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 04:46 PM (/jHWN)

Yeah, I ask because everything greater than 115grains for 9mm was sold out today. Everywhere I went. But I'm not sure what effect it has. I assume more powder, more velocity, more distance, but more recoil. ??

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (lkjWK)

233 Lawyers need ethics because they have no morals.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (VlXYw)

234 Is Jake in ID still here? could you school me quickly on grains? 9mm115 v. 9mm 146 etc.Does this affect recoil?
Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:44 PM (lkjWK)


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Uh oh. Here comes the physics lecture.........and math.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (I23Va)

235 209 Pretty much sez it all. I suggest you go to a range that rents guns and try them out. Probably better hurry, esp. if you want a selection. Please buy your pistol on the internet, for I am

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (XDC0v)

236 Uh oh. Here comes the physics lecture.........and math.

Maths? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!11!1

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 29, 2012 04:50 PM (yiIja)

237 Grains is bullet weight. For the most part there is little practical difference. Read the ballistics charts. No discernable diff in recoil either

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 04:52 PM (XDC0v)

238 237 example: http://tinyurl.com/crancrk

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 04:53 PM (XDC0v)

239 Hah. thx DAve. Wtf do I know. Ha! Why then do they have different weight bullets if it makes no diff? And why 115g left behind, all alone on the shelf?

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:54 PM (lkjWK)

240 Watching "Devil's Advocate". How appropriate. The ending always reminds me of a Steppenwolf novel I read.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:54 PM (I23Va)

241 And why 115g left behind, all alone on the shelf?
Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:54 PM (lkjWK)


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God reserved it for you.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:56 PM (I23Va)

242 9mm115 v. 9mm 146 etc.

Does this affect recoil?
Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:44 PM (lkjWK)


generally, I've never heard of 146gr.

147gr is subsonic btw,

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 04:57 PM (jfSqj)

243 Big difference between most plaintiff lawyers ("Trial lawyers") and defense counsel, at least in my book. But we're just a bunch of lawyers in my family (also conservative gun owning parents and community volunteers).

Posted by: lasue at December 29, 2012 04:57 PM (gjIQF)

244 God reserved it for you.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:56 PM (I23Va)

It does seem like there was some sort of rapture at the gun stores.

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:58 PM (lkjWK)

245 For those of you who have run out of Liquid Ass:

http://www.liquidass.com/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 04:58 PM (GsoHv)

246 239 It ties up the OCD people so they don't spend all their time making phone calls and asking inane questions about terminal ballistics in different climates and elevations. It's a public service. And the 115 is left because everyone thinks the 1% difference is gonna save their lives. I buy 115 all day, cuz I'm cheap. I strongly suggest the vendor i provided

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 04:58 PM (XDC0v)

247 147gr is subsonic btw,
Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 04:57 PM (jfSqj)


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Really? Cool.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 04:59 PM (I23Va)

248 Yeah, I ask because everything greater than 115grains for 9mm was sold out today. Everywhere I went. But I'm not sure what effect it has. I assume more powder, more velocity, more distance, but more recoil. ??
Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (lkjWK)


115gr is the bullet weight

115grFMJ or 124gr. FMJ is NATO spec

115gr. is generally cheaper

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 04:59 PM (jfSqj)

249 146gr.



147gr is subsonic btw,

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 04:57 PM (jfSqj)

like I said, wtf do I know. Missed it by 1. My bad. Subsonic?

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:59 PM (lkjWK)

250 "And why 115g left behind, all alone on the shelf?"

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:54 PM (lkjWK)

Probably because it's the most common load, and therefore they had more of it.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 05:00 PM (GsoHv)

251 Sounds like an Oproid Couch Fantasy.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 29, 2012 05:00 PM (3JFLq)

252 Hey let's hurry up with this Mesothelioma bullshit and get the real money in Connecticutt.

Posted by: Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe, Law offices at December 29, 2012 05:00 PM (ZOf1l)

253 249 Means it will be quiet when you're using a silencer

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 05:00 PM (XDC0v)

254 OK but what if the kid is crippled?

The cause is still the same - there is supposed to be auto ins. etc. Not supposed to be family money. An injury should not be an a lottery win.

Posted by: freeTibet with purchase of equal or greater value Tibet at December 29, 2012 05:02 PM (quLHy)

255 more spodey = more violent release of the projectile, ergo, more felt recoil and thus more velocity. On a curve, you quickly lose ability for followup shots as the powder or power of any given round increases.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:02 PM (/jHWN)

256 Means it will be quiet when you're using a silencer


Wait a minute, are you meaning "Hollywood quiet or real life quiet?"

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2012 05:02 PM (ZOf1l)

257 Oh, I was wrong about grains. Somehow.. heh

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:04 PM (/jHWN)

258
Derak:

The grains, in your case, are the weight of the bullet, not the powder. 115 gr is probably the most common 9mm ammo sold.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 29, 2012 05:05 PM (tOkJB)

259
245 For those of you who have run out of Liquid Ass:

http:/ /www.liquidass.com/

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 04:58 PM (GsoHv)

------------

And...for those special occasions, they also have BARFume.
"Puke smell in a bottle".



Posted by: wheatie at December 29, 2012 05:05 PM (K4wCe)

260 . I strongly suggest the vendor i provided

Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 04:58 PM (XDC0v)

Yes, I gathered that you probably really like that vendor. and all they got left is 115grain as well. curious, sounds like its a "cool" factor. Seems to me a 115g jhp will stop a threat as well as 124/147, then.

Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 05:06 PM (lkjWK)

261 So, since I was wrong.. what am I confusing. How do they determine the powder? Same powder for each , ie, larger grain bullet.. larger is slower cause same powder, but more energy transfer? I figure the physics remain the same. Just confused what was being weighed.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:06 PM (/jHWN)

262 Means it will be quiet when you're using a silencer
Posted by: DAve, who gets a cut of every internet gun sale at December 29, 2012 05:00 PM (XDC0v)


I have a friend with a supressed submachine gun that bought the special subsonic 9mm ammo.

Then he figured out most 147gr. was subsonic and was miffed at thge extra $$ he spent on subsonic loads

It was a fun gun to shoot

He said wait, let me take the can off so everyone knows what we are doing.

me = ?

then I really went to town full auto


Then I realised wht he was talking about, everyone more than 50 yards away had not idea we were doing mag dumps full auto

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:06 PM (jfSqj)

263 Wait a minute, are you meaning "Hollywood quiet or real life quiet?"

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2012 05:02 PM (ZOf1l)


Neither. They're called suppressors, properly, not silencers, because they're not silent. In fact they're really fucking loud, just not as really fucking loud as without.

You can make a really quiet shot or two with a custom-made, carefully-engineered and very large muffler-looking thing that involves disposable liquid and other perishable things, but that's really not available in general or even worth worrying about.

The primary purpose of the things in real life is to not blow out your eardrums, and for the noise to not carry a whole mile.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:08 PM (bxiXv)

264 Wait a minute, are you meaning "Hollywood quiet or real life quiet?"
Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2012 05:02 PM (ZOf1l)


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If you want Hollywood quiet, then get a .22 revolver with a silencer. If you just want quietER then go with the 9mm subsonic with silencer.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 05:08 PM (I23Va)

265 Yeah, I ask because everything greater than
115grains for 9mm was sold out today. Everywhere I went. But I'm not
sure what effect it has. I assume more powder, more velocity, more
distance, but more recoil. ??


Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 04:49 PM (lkjWK)

Generally speaking for commercial ammo the less the bullet wt (115 gr is bullet wt) the higher the velocity of the bullet. If it is FMJ (ball ammo) this is not always good because the bullet will simply go all the way through the target and impart a lot less of the energy to the target.
A heavier bullet does usually result in more recoil, but it is not that noticeable. As a practical matter if you are dealing with ball ammunition it is better to go with higher weight and less velocity. With partially jacketed or hollow points higher velocity and lower weights are more appropriate.

All military ammunition is FMJ ammo because that is the Geneva Convention requirement.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:09 PM (53z96)

266 Thanks Vic!

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:11 PM (/jHWN)

267 If you want Hollywood quiet, then get a .22 revolver with a silencer.


A silencer on a revolver is like tits on a boar.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:11 PM (53z96)

268 new one

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:12 PM (53z96)

269
"... like tits on a boar. "


You called?

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at December 29, 2012 05:12 PM (tkoGU)

270 So, since I was wrong.. what am I confusing. How do they determine the powder? Same powder for each , ie, larger grain bullet.. larger is slower cause same powder, but more energy transfer? I figure the physics remain the same. Just confused what was being weighed.
Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:06 PM (/jHWN)

on factory ammo they list the caliber and bullet weight and type

for example Blackhills .308 Win, 175gr BTHP

generally factory ammo will not tell you their recipie on type and amount of powder.


Reloading manuals will list many recipies on types of powder, amount of powder that is safe to use and what bullets work with each recipie


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:12 PM (jfSqj)

271 Thanks for the answers, Horde. I don't always want to sound like an idiot in a face to face interaction at the gun shop. Plus, at Cabela's, you gotta take a number for service, and I was number 12 in line for a simple question.


Posted by: Derak at December 29, 2012 05:12 PM (lkjWK)

272 A silencer on a revolver is like tits on a boar.
Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:11 PM (53z96)


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I've never fired a boar tit.

Posted by: Soona at December 29, 2012 05:13 PM (I23Va)

273 I was speaking tongue in cheek, I did not think there was such a thing as "hollywood silencer," but I did actually wonder just how long a suppressor would last and you morons answered that question.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 29, 2012 05:13 PM (ZOf1l)

274 Everyone is assuming this suit is on the level, with a reql client Whois really a parent of a child present at the attack.

Beware; hoaxers abound in Newtown, and the attorney could be attempting to client fish whether "Jill Doe" is on the level or not.

Posted by: Sarahw at December 29, 2012 05:15 PM (LYwCh)

275 You know, they allow us to hunt in Texas now with suppressors. ( less noise to scare / effect wildlife and humans from hearing far off shots ) Still have to jump through the restrictions to get them though.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:16 PM (/jHWN)

276 hopping to new thread



Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:17 PM (jfSqj)

277 The grains listed on the box are going to be bullet weight (as some have very correctly pointed out). The powder is also measured in grains, but that will vary depending on what kind of powder is being used. Commercial loads generally use blended powders not available for purchase, not because they are better but because they are cheap and fulfill other mundane requirements of the manufacturers, like filling the space inside the case for theoretical improvements in reliability, resistance to vibration, etc.

Typical amounts of powder for a 9mm would be 5-7 grains, you cannot compare that between loads or calibers because different powders have very different characteristics - the same velocity achieved by 5 grains of one powder may require 7 of another, but the second may burn cleaner or produce less pressure.

Rifle cartridges hold much more powder, generally, obviously because the case is larger but pressure limits tend to be higher as well. That is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

Bullet weight: 115 is the most common and cheapest weight for 9mm, so it will be what is left over. Generally as bullet weight goes up, velocity goes down (but there are exceptions). Generally a fast, small bullet will carry more energy and penetrate less than a slow, heavy bullet.

The reason the 147-grain bullets became popular was the belief that deeper penetration will stop someone faster. That is kind of true, but reality is much more complicated than that, and they have proven somewhat less effective than fast 115-124 grain loads in real life.

Bullet *design*, when matched with velocity, is far more important than bullet weight. 115 FMJ can certainly stop someone but is far less ideal for self-defense than hollwopoints (at similar velocities).

Hollowpoints, depending on design, are most effective at a certain velocity. None of them are perfect or best in all circumstances.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:18 PM (bxiXv)

278 Irving Pinsky, the attorney who filed the suit, has a dodgy discipline record; he's been both reprimanded and suspended in CT.

Posted by: Sarahw at December 29, 2012 05:18 PM (LYwCh)

279 In most cases the commercial ammo will be loaded to a reasonably high
pressure with margin because they are afraid of being sued. If you get
one labeled +P they load it to a slightly higher pressure.


And commercial ammunition loading and ballistics is available from the vendor's web site as well as all over the internets.

Here is Bl*zer stuff

9mm JHP 115 335 ft lb 1145fps
9mm JHP 124 327 1090
9mm JHP 147 295 950


The amount of powder in the case depends on the type of powder used.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:22 PM (53z96)

280 After multiple attempts I find the term B l a z er is Pixy hated.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:23 PM (53z96)

281 WTF, posts disappearing now?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:23 PM (bxiXv)

282 That's where I got confused. I've listened to guys talking or writing about reloading, but I've never done it. I always assumed (obviously) the grains on factory ammo had to do with the amount of powder and the weight of the bullet stayed constant. Something so basic, and I've been shooting my whole adult life. It makes sense that weight of powder is just omitted as they put what they desire. So, is the factory omitting powder components/weight in a proprietary function? Say, the secret is in the details of what and how much they put behind the bullet?

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:24 PM (/jHWN)

283 Geneva convention does not address ammunition. Hague accords. We're not a signatory. We can use hollowpoints but in rifle calibers it hardly matters. Special ops troops can and have used them.

Also high-end suppressors can last many thousands of rounds, but the really quiet heavy-engineering ones are (or were) almost disposable. Not quite that bad.

There are certainly new ones I don't know about.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:25 PM (bxiXv)

284 Say, the secret is in the details of what and how much they put behind the bullet?

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:24 PM (/jHWN)


If you ask them they may tell you, but they'll tell you that since you can't buy their powder, it is useless information (grains of powder depend on the characteristics of the powder).

And it's not because their powder is "more powerful," handloaders can almost always "beat" commercial loads, it's cheap and safe and reliable and works well in big commercial loading machines and resists vibration and etc.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:27 PM (bxiXv)

285 Thanks Merovign. I never dug deep enough to counter my assumptions and never have got around to reloading. If I had, I would have learned about my confusing grains bullet weight vs grains of powder.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:30 PM (/jHWN)

286 I always heard FMJ was a requirement of the Geneva convention from a long long time ago. Sometime around 1899 but that was before Geneva so may have been the Hague.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:31 PM (53z96)

287 I had, I would have learned about my confusing grains bullet weight vs grains of powder.
Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:30 PM (/jHWN)

Hey, I'm back


for example I use 45.0 grains of Varget powder in my .308 Win reloads with a 175 grain bullet

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:32 PM (jfSqj)

288 A silencer on a revolver is like tits on a boar.

There was one revolver made, I've forgotten the name, that would cam the cylinder forward into a conical sealing surface to eliminate side leakage.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 29, 2012 05:33 PM (KpqMu)

289 I always heard FMJ was a requirement of the Geneva convention from a long long time ago. Sometime around 1899 but that was before Geneva so may have been the Hague.
Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:31 PM (53z96)

in 2002 or 2003 the US ok'd using Open Tip Match, which they determined was not Hollow point.


Mainly so they could shoot Sierra Match Kings out of their sniper rifles



Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:34 PM (jfSqj)

290 There was one revolver made, I've forgotten the name, that would cam the cylinder forward into a conical sealing surface to eliminate side leakage.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 29, 2012 05:33 PM (KpqMu)


There are a few, I forget all at the moment but the Russian Nagant 7.62x25, which is the most common anyway.

Also, "eliminate" is a strong word, but suppressors have been made for that revolver.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:35 PM (bxiXv)

291 Soviet Nagant M1895 pistol that seals chamber to barrel.. vids on YouToobe of guys suppressing them.

Posted by: Barbara Boxer at December 29, 2012 05:36 PM (/jHWN)

292 286 I always heard FMJ was a requirement of the Geneva convention from a long long time ago. Sometime around 1899 but that was before Geneva so may have been the Hague.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:31 PM (53z96)


Well, people like to say a lot of things, and many of them are not true.

Basically all of us absorb a lot of incorrect cruft that we hear. I try pretty hard to shake it out periodically, but I'm sure some of it is still in there (taps side of head).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:37 PM (bxiXv)

293 Basically all of us absorb a lot of incorrect cruft that we hear. I try pretty hard to shake it out periodically, but I'm sure some of it is still in there (taps side of head).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:37 PM (bxiXv)


yep, it sucks to unlearn certain things

I had to unlearn how to hold a pistol and how to shoot prone behind a bipod


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:40 PM (jfSqj)

294 Irving Pinsky is also an Occupy goon. Chances this is a stunt, just went up.

https://www.facebook.com/irving.pinsky

Posted by: Sarahw at December 29, 2012 05:40 PM (LYwCh)

295 speaking of unlearning... uh, nevermind... you guys were here when it all happened..

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:42 PM (/jHWN)

296 "Sometime around 1899 but that was before Geneva so may have been the Hague."

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:31 PM (53z96)

Exactly. First Hague Convention in 1899.

All I remember is "no gas," and no soft or flattening bullets.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 29, 2012 05:42 PM (GsoHv)

297 I had to unlearn how to hold a pistol and how to shoot prone behind a bipod

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:40 PM (jfSqj)


That last one can be a bitch. Bodies like to lie a certain way.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:42 PM (bxiXv)

298 295 speaking of unlearning... uh, nevermind... you guys were here when it all happened..
Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:42 PM (/jHWN)


Oh, we didn't even talk about pressure curves, velocity and expansion, shock vs. crush, or what a "magnum" is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:43 PM (bxiXv)

299 That last one can be a bitch. Bodies like to lie a certain way.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:42 PM (bxiXv)


laying parrellel to the bore takes some practice, I've got an easier time than others


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:44 PM (jfSqj)

300 Heh.

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:45 PM (/jHWN)

301 Sooo... I've been thinking... wouldn't a .17HMR be a devastating killing round ? Just due to reliability of a rimfire vs centerfire?

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:48 PM (/jHWN)

302 Sooo... I've been thinking... wouldn't a .17HMR be a devastating killing round ? Just due to reliability of a rimfire vs centerfire?
Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:48 PM (/jHWN)

Works good on squirls, wistle pigs/ground squirls, rock chucks and marmots.

Heard of guys taking coyottes with them, but I'g go with a larger caliber.

spendy, almost as much as .223 sometimes



Posted by: Jake in ID at December 29, 2012 05:51 PM (jfSqj)

303 301 Sooo... I've been thinking... wouldn't a .17HMR be a devastating killing round ? Just due to reliability of a rimfire vs centerfire?

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:48 PM (/jHWN)


I think you still have a way to go, grasshopper.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 29, 2012 05:54 PM (bxiXv)

304 The .17HMR is a new cartridge introduced to complete with the 22 Magnum. If I was shooting with a pistol I would prefer a larger caliber.


There is an old saying for pistol calibers for self defense, don't use anything that begins less than a 4. I like my old trusty .45 ACP Model 1911A-1 officer's model in a semi-auto and my SW .357 Magnum in a wheel gun.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:57 PM (53z96)

305 Heh.. I know, mixing primers/reliability with the other stuff ( for brevity) but..
... I've got one and shot it to kill wild pigs and javelina
in south Texas years ago. I like the violent hyper-speed-crack when
fired..

Posted by: Yip at December 29, 2012 05:57 PM (/jHWN)

306 BTW, rimfires are no more reliable than a centerfire.

Posted by: Vic at December 29, 2012 05:58 PM (53z96)

307 My question is, what wattage should I purchase for my phased plasma rifle, is 40 watts, too low?

Posted by: Joe at December 29, 2012 06:32 PM (GZrIP)

308 Check out my petition demanding that all federal staff receive NO PAY INCREASE until the deficit is permanently eliminated.

http://wh.gov/Qh7l

Here are is the bill in full:

Title: Pay of all individuals in all three branches of government shall be directly related to the federal deficit.

Article 1: Not one person in the executive, judicial or legislative branches of government shall receive an increase of pay until the policy of running a deficit is permanently abolished and the current deficit is eliminated.

Article 2: Pay of the president, vice president, senators and house members shall be reduced in pay by the same percentage as the amount of the deficit is a percentage of total federal revenue.

Article 3: Following the elimination of the federal deficit, all federal employees' pay shall be no more than the average pay increase of workers in the private sector.

Article 4: All methods of revenue generation (taxes, fines, fees, etc.) shall not be increased until the deficit is eliminated.


Posted by: Mr_Write at December 29, 2012 07:37 PM (CLkAH)

309 40. I've seen over the course of my time on this little
planet that peoples hatred of lawyers is directly proportional to their
ignorance of law.



Posted by: Dawnfire

***

Ditto that. It's easy to hate lawyers. Until you need one.

On my time on this little planet, it is my experience that the number of people quoting Shakespeare's call to "kill all the lawyers" out of context to entirely change its meaning is 100%.

When Shakespeare wrote "the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" he was actually praising the bar as being the first defense against tyranny and anarchy. Shakespeare's exact line is stated by Dick the Butcher in ''Henry VI,'' Part II, act
IV, Scene II. Dick the Butcher, was a follower of the anarchist rebel Jack
Cade who, together with his gang of rabble are scheming to overthrow civilized government. It is in that context that Shakespeare observes that that the first thing any
potential tyrant must do to eliminate freedom is to "kill all the
lawyers".

Posted by: Atticus' brief case at December 29, 2012 08:30 PM (u3N3z)

310 This is a case where the desire for social and economic justice goes against the common good of the State and the need for Progress.

All people except for the representatives of government recruited from correctly-thinking persons must be disarmed.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 29, 2012 10:56 PM (ACq/K)

311 Not sure what you mean by "approved", unless it's 'approved by the client'. I actually think this lawyer is trolling for P.R. There is no theory of legal liability for a school where the school is obeying all relevant laws and regulations and there's no warning of an extraordinary risk like this, so beat down the hard-ons morons.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 30, 2012 06:57 AM (21TJo)

312 "$600 tool"???

Hell, you can get a very serviceable Rock Island M1911 for $200 less.

There was nothing wrong in Lanza's head that a 200gr. .45 Hornady T.A.P. couldn't eliminate.

Posted by: Deanimator at December 30, 2012 12:43 PM (2YnwF)

313 Shakespeare was just making a sardonic point about mob rule.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 31, 2012 01:23 PM (7ObY1)






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