Marc Thiessen: The Country Voted For Big Government. Now It's Time They Paid For It -- Let Taxes Go Up on the Middle Class.

I have this thought a lot -- deficit spending allows a lot of hiding of the true cost of Obama's mega-government. Those who'll pay for it aren't conscious of that. Either they're not of voting age yet, or -- this is the bigger category -- they are of voting age, and just don't realize that in four or five years the tab they're running up comes due, in one way or another.

So maybe we should be deficit hawks first, prioritizing that over tax-cutters. If the public votes for big government, they at least should be required to understand the cost of it all.

How can we expect people to care about the growth of government if it doesn’t cost them anything?

Instead of paying for the current miasma of spending, we’ve been borrowing the money from our children and grandchildren. The national debt has grown by nearly $6 trillion in the four years since Obama took office. That generational theft cannot continue. We must not keep financing big government by passing the bills on to the next generation. Ideally, we would stop the spending binge and live within our means. But if the nation is not up to that, then we should all pitch in and pay for it — all of us.

Sorry, taxing the rich won’t solve our problems — that’s nothing but fiscal snake oil the president has been selling. He is demanding $1.3 trillion in higher taxes on the wealthy over 10 years. Imagine he got it. We are adding nearly that much to the national debt every single year. Taxing the rich would not put even a minor dent in our debt. It would pay for less than three weeks of federal spending every year. The only way to pay for the current expansion of government is to raise taxes on the middle class.

So let’s do it. Let’s all of us experience the true cost of big government in the form of a bigger tax bill.

He argues that it was a strategic mistake for Republicans to force Obama to extend the Bush tax cuts -- they were the only thing keeping the economy from going into another nosedive, due to his policy choices, and they're popular. Obama got the benefit of them while continuing to argue against them and blame everything on Bush.

Posted by: Ace at 01:38 PM



Comments

1 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:39 PM (UOM48)

2 But, but....those Bush Tax Cuts were only for the Rich!

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:40 PM (K4wCe)

3 Pay as you go? What a novel idea!

Posted by: USA at December 28, 2012 01:40 PM (RIg+t)

4 I had this argument with someone and they said--

the Bush tax cuts did not exempt enough people--so getting rid of them would not get enough people to

fell the burn.

Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:40 PM (r2PLg)

5
It's only a return to the Clinton Tax Rates.

How could that be bad?
We all know how great it was, back during the Clinton years.

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:41 PM (K4wCe)

6 Sadly, if taxes go up the Festerman family may have to go cold turkey on the Liquid Ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:41 PM (UOM48)

7 Can we dispense with putting the words "Republican" and "strategy" in the same senten... errrr... paragrap... errr... artic... errr... web sites? I bet you can count the number of legislators, D or R, that actually care about the "middle class" (or anyone besides themselves) on one hand.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 28, 2012 01:42 PM (OvVAB)

8 There was an article in the NY Post about how much taxes would go up for people making $75K to $150K. It's priceless. The quotes are basically " WHAAAAA? I will pay how much more in taxes? This is not possible. I can't afford it with the cost of living so high".

These are the fucktards who voted 80-20 for Obama and think Bush only cut taxes for billionaires.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 28, 2012 01:42 PM (HDgX3)

9 Marc Thiessen: The Country Voted For Big Government. Now It's Time They Paid For It -- Let Taxes Go Up on the Middle Class.

This is what I mean when I say that actions have to have consequences, and the right has spent too much time and energy over the past thirty or forty years trying to patch up and hide the negligence and failures of the nanny state. It's time we took a step back and said, "Okay, you know what? We're not fixing your mistakes anymore. We're all out of Bondo and the duct tape is almost gone. You wanted a rust bucket of a clunker for a country? Well here you go."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:42 PM (4df7R)

10 Yep, thats called let it burn. I aint real happy about it cause it's mt ass that will be getting hot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:43 PM (l86i3)

11 We did not get into this shit sandwich over taxes. We got here when Obama raised spending to over $4T a year.


We will get out of it when the House grows some balls and reduced spending by about $1.1T and tells Obama to eat it.


If the Senate kills it pass nothing and S.I.D. Then spending will go down even further.


But that takes balls, Boner is Balless.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2012 01:43 PM (53z96)

12 The fiscal cliff has electrolytes.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (OvVAB)

13 Endorsed

Posted by: Andy at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (OZPoa)

14 Just saw on Drudge. Jug Ears has ended the Federal pay freeze. Looks like Biden gets more money for crayons and applesauce next year.

Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (5OEha)

15 5
It's only a return to the Clinton Tax Rates.

How could that be bad?
We all know how great it was, back during the Clinton years.
Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:41 PM (K4wCe)


__________________________


I don't know much about this at all--but if we go back to the Clinton tax rate structure wouldn't it still be possible that most Democrats--their base--would not pay a significant share.

Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (r2PLg)

16 There was an article in the NY Post about how much taxes would go up for
people making $75K to $150K. It's priceless. The quotes are basically "
WHAAAAA? I will pay how much more in taxes? This is not possible. I
can't afford it with the cost of living so high".

These are the fucktards who voted 80-20 for Obama and think Bush only cut taxes for billionaires.


Consequences, motherf*cker. Do you speak it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (QKKT0)

17 Those who'll pay for it aren't conscious of that. Either they're not of voting age yet, or -- this is the bigger category -- they are of voting age, and just don't realize that in four or five years the tab they're running up comes due, in one way or another.


Or they think the Republicans are lying. I have had more than one person tell me point blank that I'm wrong about the deficit and that Social Security is fully funded and that I'm just lying because I hate Obama. Hell, I've had people who should know better tell me that I'm flat wrong that there is no actual entitlement to a specific level of government entitlements. After all, there's an account with the Federal government with their name on it and that account has all their Social Security money in it and it's theirs and of course the government has to pay them what they are owed since it's their money.

My personal favorite are the people who blink and go "well, then we'll just declare bankruptcy". It's pointless to tell them at a sovereign entity declares bankruptcy via violent dissolution.


*spins in chair more*

Hey, soothsayer, can I get a dark purple Coodle? Maybe with some silver stripes?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (VtjlW)

18 Just saw on Drudge. Jug Ears has ended the Federal pay freeze. Looks like Biden gets more money for crayons and applesauce next year.
Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (5OEha)


But will they be able to hire someone to remind him that you're supposed to eat the APPLE SAUCE and draw with the CRAYONS?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (4df7R)

19 14Just saw on Drudge. Jug Ears has ended the Federal pay freeze. Looks like Biden gets more money for crayons and applesauce next year.
Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (5OEha) And paste. Biden needs his vitamins you know.

Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 01:46 PM (OlN4e)

20 It's always a mistake for the GOP to try to "protect" the American people from the consequences of Liberal policies. If they succeed, the other side would get all the credit.

Posted by: gastorgrab at December 28, 2012 01:46 PM (FX38i)

21 O/T Hillary says she can't testify because of canker sores. I'm no doctor but I think those are Herpes viruses. Must have got it from a hot tub. A hot tub of Persian godess.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (l86i3)

22 Just saw on Drudge. Jug Ears has ended the Federal
pay freeze. Looks like Biden gets more money for crayons and applesauce
next year.


Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (5OEha)


Boehner reportedly sobbing uncontrollably.

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (fEH5v)

23 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (VtjlW)



Actually right now SS is OK if you reduce the fraud in SSDI to 25% instead of 50%. Its the Medicaid and medicare that is going tits up.

Posted by: Vic at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (53z96)

24 The oldest Obamabot niece had a decent job and decided to take three weeks un-earned vacay to do a little travelin'.

Shockingly, she lost her job. Now she's freaking she can't find work and won't be able to afford to attend Barky's inauguration.

Consequences. Beotch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (UOM48)

25 This is what I have been saying all along.

Let's go over the cliff and let taxpayers of ALL income levels see the real costs of all the goodies they've been getting on borrowed money.

I do not look forward to several thousand more in taxes next year, but it's time to pay the piper.. and I feel good that all those stupid fucks who don't even pay taxes under the Bush tax regime will feel the pinch.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (f9c2L)

26 He did it by EO. No word on whether or not he had Chris Matthews walk out in a gimp suit and read it off a rolled up piece of parchment.

Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (5OEha)

27 O/T Hillary says she can't testify because of canker sores. I'm no doctor but I think those are Herpes viruses. Must have got it from a hot tub. A hot tub of Persian godess.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:47 PM (l86i3)

_______________________

Really?

Is that canker sores or Cankle sores?

Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (r2PLg)

28 @12

Electrolytes are what the fiscal cliff craves.

Posted by: Brawndo at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (9TK8E)

29 Absolutely correct. Letting Obama get the fruits of the Bush tax cuts was a mistake, and I thought this at the time.




People who vote for Obama should GET the government they vote for. They should take it up the ass and like it!







Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (bb5+k)

30 After all, there's an account with the Federal government with their name on it and that account has all their Social Security money in it and it's theirs and of course the government has to pay them what they are owed since it's their money

These are the people who make me want to test the "Last Boy Scout" theory of violence that states that it is possible to punch a person's nose through their brain.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (4df7R)

31 We did not get into this shit sandwich over taxes. We got here when Obama raised spending to over $4T a year.We will get out of it when the House grows some balls and reduced spending by about $1.1T and tells Obama to eat it.

One wonders how a one-time Stimulus became a permanent, yearly feature in TFG's "budget."

One also wonders why there are exactly no Pubbies pointing this little factoid out to the public.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (yiIja)

32 After all, there's an account with the Federal government with their
name on it and that account has all their Social Security money in it
and it's theirs and of course the government has to pay them what they
are owed since it's their money.



Would I lie to you, Honey?

Posted by: Al Gore of the Eurhythmics at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (z9HTb)

33 , "Okay, you know what? We're not fixing your mistakes anymore. We're
all out of Bondo and the duct tape is almost gone. You wanted a rust
bucket of a clunker for a country? Well here you go.">>

We were supposed to be a fleet of 50 cars that each state maintained. No that they have forced us into one clunker, no more changing the oil Let It Seize!!

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (Y6HTt)

34 I don't think the canker sores are valid for Hildebeast. She's already uglier than hammered sin, so nobody would even notice.

Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (OlN4e)

35
Really?

Is that canker sores or Cankle sores?
Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:48 PM (r2PLg)


Yep, Glenn reynolds, Instapundit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:49 PM (l86i3)

36 16 There was an article in the NY Post about how much taxes would go up for people making $75K to $150K. It's priceless. The quotes are basically " WHAAAAA? I will pay how much more in taxes? This is not possible. I can't afford it with the cost of living so high".

These are the fucktards who voted 80-20 for bama and think Bush only cut taxes for billionaires.



The Dems spent years saying Bush's tax cuts were merely a boon to the rich. I'm kind of surprised, okay, not surprised at all, we've let them go this far in the debate without noting the hit the middle class is about to take demonstrates that that was all bullshit.

Posted by: AD at December 28, 2012 01:49 PM (dLy9m)

37 So you're saying a government largely controlled by liberal democrats wants more taxes and spending? Huh. Never saw it coming.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 28, 2012 01:49 PM (+lsX1)

38
>>>Hey, soothsayer, can I get a dark purple Coodle? Maybe with some silver stripes?

what am I, Dr Moreau?

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 01:50 PM (OA1Yc)

39 I want to see those 48-50 percent that pay NO federal income tax thrown into the mix. More than likely they all voted for the TFG, let them pay for it too.

Posted by: Bosk at December 28, 2012 01:50 PM (n2K+4)

40 Cankle sores?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 28, 2012 01:50 PM (OvVAB)

41
This is what I mean when I say that actions have
to have consequences, and the right has spent too much time and energy
over the past thirty or forty years trying to patch up and hide the
negligence and failures of the nanny state. It's time we took a step
back and said, "Okay, you know what? We're not fixing your mistakes
anymore. We're all out of Bondo and the duct tape is almost gone. You
wanted a rust bucket of a clunker for a country? Well here you go."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:42 PM (4df7R)


Exactly what I mean by "let it burn." STOP FIXING THINGS!!!!!! Stop shielding people from the Misery they deserve. The rest of us will have to suffer too, but it is the simple minded that need to be hit with a brick to get them to wake up.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 01:50 PM (bb5+k)

42 The republicans seem to make a lot of strategic mistakes, but that's what we get for electing fucking retards over and over again.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 28, 2012 01:50 PM (HEa5q)

43 You people are too fast. Especially you, toby.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 28, 2012 01:51 PM (OvVAB)

44 Give them what they voted for. What's so difficult about that concept? Yes, it's going to hurt, but boohoo.

Posted by: Duh! at December 28, 2012 01:51 PM (Zs83Q)

45
It took nearly 100 years to get to this point of high debt and unfunded liabilities. I'm worried about the debt, but it is the 120+Trillion in liabilities that has me really ascared.

One way or another through taxes, inflation, etc. we will all pay. There simply is no way around it except for some fantastic GDP growth which never will happen until the economy is allowed to crash.

IMB

(It Must Burn)

Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 01:51 PM (UhXzR)

46 Well, my next paycheck will tell the tale. My health ins will go up another $200 a month after the 1st, that I do know. I'll let you know.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (kGDRz)

47
I don't know much about this at all--but if we go back to the Clinton tax rate structure wouldn't it still be possible that most Democrats--their base--would not pay a significant share.

Oh they will pay, tasker.

The Bush Tax Cuts took millions of low-income people off the tax roles...by raising the minimum taxable rate.

Think of all those SEIU restaurant workers, and hotel workers.
Think of all those entry-level union jobs out there.
They will all be paying more.

Anyone who says that the Dem base will "not feel it" when the Bush Tax Cuts expire, is either lying or doesn't know what they're talking about.

The Bush Tax Cuts also did away with the 'marriage penalty'...and raised the Standard Deduction.

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (K4wCe)

48 Yep, Glenn reynolds, Instapundit.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:49 PM (l86i3) /i]

Though he's using it as a joke.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (4df7R)

49 All of the idiots that voted for the JEF for another 4 more years are going to get a triple decker shit sandwich coming to them... I hope you enjoy every freaking moment of it while the Free Shit Brigades are screaming for you to pay more for their free shit.

LET. THE. BITCH. BURN.

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (Jls4P)

50 I don't know much about this at all--but if we go
back to the Clinton tax rate structure wouldn't it still be possible
that most Democrats--their base--would not pay a significant share.

Posted by: tasker at December 28, 2012 01:45 PM (r2PLg)


And this is the other half of the problem. Too many people are entitled to run up the debt, but have no obligation to pay for it. The 24th amendment made it possible for freeloaders to vote for more debt, and whodda thunk it would have run away with itself?

Any Engineer that knows what is positive feedback.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (bb5+k)

51 Oh, and let Barry's longshoremen buddies go on strike.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (UOM48)

52 The bigger problem is that a large percentage of the voting doesn't feel the effects of a weak economy because they dont pay federal taxes and live off the government through welfare, disability, pensions, SS, etc.

Posted by: L, elle at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (0PiQ4)

53 After all, there's an account with the Federal government with their
name on it and that account has all their Social Security money in it
and it's theirs and of course the government has to pay them what they
are owed since it's their money.


AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH

Thanks a lot, woman. Even if only to refute it, you had to go and bring up one of the (many) particular enduring falsehoods that drives me into a white hot Hulk SMASH Rage.

And it's one even many Republicans have allowed themselves to be suckered into.

My day is now ruined.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (SY2Kh)

54 @35
It's a running joke. He changes the ailment periodically.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (6TB1Z)

55 Put the check on the table and watch the nervous shuffling begin.

Posted by: Dang at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (R18D0)

56 When I was growing up, my cousins all had more toys and nicer more expensive stuff, despite the fact that my dad had a better job than my uncle and the same amount of kids. A few years later they had to file bankruptcy and lost everything because they had been living off of credit cards with 18% interest. This is what our country is doing to us now. Some times you have to tell your kids NO.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (SkyIE)

57 Though he's using it as a joke.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:52 PM (4df7R)

FKN Facebook assholes! Damn it Damn it. Fuckers wouldn't no context if it kicked em in the twat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (l86i3)

58

You know who won't be affected? The government workers...

If it hasn't already been discussed, JEF raised Biden, et al salaries by executive order.

The only ones that will burn are the private sector businesses and most hard working Americans.

Posted by: beach at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (LpQbZ)

59 I'm a bitch and will not be denied.

Posted by: Math at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (O7Q1u)

60 Theissen is 100% right. Give it to them in spades and see how they like it.

Posted by: Marknlutz at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (jOTrz)

61 10 Yep, thats called let it burn. I aint real happy about it cause it's mt ass that will be getting hot.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 01:43 PM (l86i3)


He who smelt it dealt it...

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (UZQM8)

62 Marc Thiessen: The Country Voted For Big Government. Now It's Time They Paid For It

I agree completely. 47% remain unencumbered by taxes, I'll tempt 10% with the promise of Federal largesse, and the rest of you fuckers will pay!

Posted by: King Baraka Obamamehameha at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (FcR7P)

63 I do not look forward to several thousand more in taxes next year, but
it's time to pay the piper.. and I feel good that all those stupid fucks
who don't even pay taxes under the Bush tax regime will feel the pinch.


I'll be one of the evil people who will pay higher taxes, but I'm okay with that, because as a percentage, the hurt on the parasites will be larger than it will be on me.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (6TB1Z)

64 even more fun is how everyone who is not paying their fair share is going to react when they are suddenly paying their fair share and see what their fair share gets them in reduced services from obama care. obamas voters get to see their taxes go up and services and freedoms go down simultaneously.

financially speaking we refer to that as "suck it bitch"

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (Z9EHQ)

65 If we all cut our spending to the bare bones in 2013, together we can make those who voted for this suffer, suffer, suffer.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (x9s9/)

66 Give them what they voted for. What's so difficult about that concept? Yes, it's going to hurt, but boohoo.
Posted by: Duh! at December 28, 2012 01:51 PM (Zs83Q)


it's going to hurt like hell. Like, REALLY hurt. But I try to take comfort in the belief that hopefully -- God willing -- we'll be able to spare our children and THEIR children from even worse pain. Most of us didn't ask for this, but they didn't even have a choice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (4df7R)

67 End federal withholding. Everyone should have to write a check in April. We are becoming divorced from reality of the costs of our government. If everyone had to pay their taxes in one shot in April, people would be a lot more interested in all the bike trails the government is building and the 14 different federal departments that build them.

Posted by: Shtetl G at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (L2eC5)

68 You know, if we were on our game at all, someone could offer a proposed tax increase at the level of what would actually be needed to take care of the deficit just to get the point across that this won't remotely solve the problem.

Of course, this would involve someone in our leadership actually going out and debating the other side and making our case, instead of just whining about the Obama being unfair and not offering a balanced proposal--so, there's less of a chance of this happening than me sleeping with the ghost of Farrah Fawcet ca. 1970.

Posted by: AD at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (dLy9m)

69 I, for one, look forward to watching Barry and Mooch vacay and party for the next four years on our dime. Even the blindest, most brain-dead Obamabot may see TFG for who and what he is, and what's most important to him.....his own jug-eared self.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (UOM48)

70 I kind of like this. The thing is, Congress dreamed up the Fiscal Cliff because they assumed it could never actually happen, and because they assumed it could never happen they actually created a responsible budget scenario.

Posted by: Cricket at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (DrC22)

71
I don't agree with them voting in favor of a tax increase.
Look, when did REPs stop representing their constituents? A long time ago I suppose, but this is their job. If their constituency says NO, they are supposed to vote NO, period. If that causes a stalemate, so be it.
One way or another we have to stop spending. If we can't agree to do it gracefully, then we need to do it as soon and as quickly as possible. With time the pain only will get worse.
If Boehner had any stones or dignity at all he'd call a press conference and lay it all out on the table. "As Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America, having sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution, it is my unfortunate duty to inform President Obama that he is not a dictator. Mr. President, you are the head of the EXECUTIVE branch of government. Your whole job is to EXECUTE the WILL of Congress. We pass laws, you execute them. You do not dictate to us. It is in fact the other way around, we represent the people, and the people tell you what to do. The day that Congress succumbs to the will of the President is the day that the Constitution is lost and this all is for not. If you turn to page X in your pocket constitution, Article 1, Section 7, it clearly reads, "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House." We set the budget Mr. President, you execute it. We're doing our job, why aren't you doing yours?
etc. etc. something along these lines

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (HS3dy)

72 We keep saying the Free Shit Army has a great lesson coming. They do not. This is the system they want. If they don't get their Free Shit, it's because the wrong crook is in office.

There will be no learning from this.

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (FcR7P)

73 I'll make 70k this year, but I'm seriously considering whether or not to ask the company if I can work part time instead for about 25k next year. I figure between that and my GI Bill I can go to school full time, work part time, and be quite comfortable.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 28, 2012 01:57 PM (3x3F6)

74 You know who won't be affected? The government workers...

Ignorant statements like that don't help our side. Of course we'll be hurt.

Posted by: pep at December 28, 2012 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)

75 BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (q177U)

76 Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (HS3dy)

*flashes toothy smile and scratches face with middle finger*

Posted by: Barack. at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (l86i3)

77 I am no boehner lover however I do believe he is hoping to get something done and may even cave because he understands how much pain is going to be caused by going over the obama falls. obama does not have the slightest sense of compassion and is willing to go over to get what he wants, of course sense he is understanding how hurt then angry everyone is going to be after his plan goes into effect he is starting to panic - only because of what it means for him.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (Z9EHQ)

78
20It's always a mistake for the GOP to try to "protect" the American people from the consequences of Liberal policies. If they succeed, the other side would get all the credit.

Posted by: gastorgrab at December 28, 2012 01:46 PM (FX38i)

----------

^This!^

The only way that the Dems would agree to extending the Bush Tax Cuts...was with an 'expiration date'.

The Reps wanted to make them permanent.
They passed bills in the House to make them permanent.

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (K4wCe)

79 Oh, and let Barry's longshoremen buddies go on strike. Let. It. Burn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (UOM4



I fully support this, as it will be one more step towards my ultimate goal of DISBANDING AND DISMANTLING ALL UNIONS!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (4df7R)

80 Actually right now SS is OK if you reduce the fraud in SSDI to 25%
instead of 50%. Its the Medicaid and medicare that is going tits up.


Right now? Sure.

20 years from now? Not so much.

From a Reid or Pelosi point of view, that's an eternity- they're not likely to even be alive in twenty years, much less running for re-election. For everyone under the age of 45, it means that the SHTF when they're expecting to retire.

But nobody wants to acknowledge it, much less address it. And by "nobody", I include the voting public.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 01:58 PM (SY2Kh)

81 I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (q177U)

82 After all, there's an account with the Federal government with their name on it and that account has all their Social Security money in it and it's theirs and of course the government has to pay them what they are owed since it's their money.

I've heard that once or twice, too. I've been sorely tempted to say, "please tell me you're being sarcastic. Because if you really believe that, you shouldn't be allowed to handle anything sharper than a rubber ball."

Fucking FDR. And fuck Ike, too - he was so popular after his '52 election, he could have rolled back the damn New Deal if he'd tried.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (zF6Iw)

83 My day is now ruined.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (SY2Kh)



I give you this in penance.

http://bit.ly/UykyhI

This too:

http://bit.ly/V9nSxe

(Let's say MSFW for both just to be on the safe side)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (VtjlW)

84 The bigger problem is that a large percentage of the
voting doesn't feel the effects of a weak economy because they dont pay
federal taxes and live off the government through welfare, disability,
pensions, SS, etc.

Posted by: L, elle at December 28, 2012 01:53 PM (0PiQ4)


The party of slavery has managed to re-institute it by vote farming with the Taxpayers (new slaves) money. The Free Shit army are not the masters, they are the crops.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:00 PM (bb5+k)

85 We keep saying the Free Shit Army has a great lesson coming. They do not. This is the system they want. If they don't get their Free Shit, it's because the wrong crook is in office. There will be no learning from this.
Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (FcR7P)


There will be no learning. But there will be plenty of death as they kill each other off for shrinking welfare checks and EBT cards. And no, I'm really not kidding.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 02:00 PM (4df7R)

86 I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (q177U)

now or later

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 28, 2012 02:00 PM (Z9EHQ)

87 SPEND LESS, MAKE THEM SUFFER

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:00 PM (x9s9/)

88 I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (q177U)

My fun money evaporates.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:01 PM (l86i3)

89 AtC, that Dita picture is...disturbing. And looks painful.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:02 PM (IvVLN)

90 Theissen is 100% right. Give it to them in spades and see how they like it.

RAAACIISSS!!!!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 02:02 PM (zF6Iw)

91 I'm fine with them letting tax rates rise on everyone, but if Republicans take that approach, they need to explain why they are doing it. It can't look like tax rates are going up because they couldn't come to agreement, or just failed to act.

Posted by: zippy at December 28, 2012 02:02 PM (uaUtg)

92 If we all cut our spending to the bare bones in 2013, together we can make those who voted for this suffer, suffer, suffer.

I'm way ahead of that schedule, what with having been funemployed for going on five years now.

I'm considering a letter to my state representative outlining my situation, along with a request for help navigating the various agencies for the benefits that I'm fixing to sign up for, like food stamps and Medicaid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 28, 2012 02:03 PM (yiIja)

93
If you give money to charities, how do you know the money doesn't go to lib parasites?

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:03 PM (x9s9/)

94 The only ones that will burn are the private sector businesses and most hard working Americans.





Posted by: beach at December 28, 2012 01:54 PM (LpQbZ)

In the movie "Ridicule" one aristocrat remarks the Peasants are only good for feeding the mosquitos." to which the Protagonist replies, " They also feed Aristocrats."
Kill the private sector, and the government sector will also collapse.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:03 PM (bb5+k)

95
"cut our spending to the bare bones in 2013" - THIS!

I have and con't to do just this. Window washer -gone. Gutter cleaner -gone. House keeper -gone. Purchising of anything I don't need - gone. Redundant bookeeper at work -gone.

My cut backs have had a direct negative impact on at least five people. Indirect effects will add up fast with what I am sure millions of others are doing.

Food pantry is stocked and getting more stocked. Additional rifle and ammo is next up. After that I will just continue along in survival mode working out and getting fit until there is light at the end of the tunnel.


Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 02:03 PM (UhXzR)

96 I will gladly pay more taxes tuesday if you will get rid of the bizarro-muscle-man-in-speedo ad today.

Posted by: eleven at December 28, 2012 02:03 PM (fsLdt)

97
"Go for it."

Remember that line from Rocky 2 or 3?

For at least a year, everyone kept saying "go fo it" every five minutes.

Posted by: Soothsayer Riprock at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (s+8Vv)

98
"I am no boehner lover however I do believe he is hoping to get something done and may even cave because he understands how much pain is going to be caused by going over the obama falls."
This is your first mistake. It isn't the Obama falls, it's the Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Reagan-Carter-Nixon-plus-all-Congresses-inbetween-falls.
GOP is as much a part of the problem.

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (HS3dy)

99 AtC, that Dita picture is...disturbing. And looks painful.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:02 PM (IvVLN)

Actually there are traing corsetts that step down slowly. Women that use them generally sleep in them, There all the rage for crossdressers.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (l86i3)

100 "I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?"
===============

Between the new tax hikes and ObamaCare, I don't know if I'll have enough to make ends meet. A year from now when the individual mandate kicks in, it may come down to choosing between rent and health insurance premiums for health insurance I won't be able to use because there won't be any money left over to pay the deductibles anyway.

I've never felt quite so boned before.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (H84UO)

101 Since when has the Republican Party been smart? It can't see past the next quarter or two whereas the Marxists begin planning overtime at the kickoff.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (dZ756)

102 Okay, in the spirit of bipartisanship and tolerance, here are some other MSFW pics.


http://bit.ly/W9zfUJ


http://bit.ly/ZGUHbv


Look, do you want to contemplate the imminent emdoomening of our country or do you want to look at hotassery of all types? I rest my case.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (VtjlW)

103 The GOP had 2 years to prepare for this debate. They did nothing. Same useless talking points that everyone tunes out. We are so fucked.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (HDgX3)

104 The Russian Federation has flat taxes.

http://www.taxrates.cc/html/russia-tax-rates.html


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (TBTjX)

105 If we all cut our spending to the bare bones in 2013, together we can make those who voted for this suffer, suffer, suffer.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (x9s9/)

And we should. I suggest restricting your buying to those businesses that agree with and support your beliefs, and curtail it to all the rest.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (bb5+k)

106 I have thought this as well.

Keep calling them BILL CLINTON TAX RATES.

I mean everything was fucking peachy when Clinton was in office. MAKE THEM FUCKING OWN IT.

This is so easy and the story so simple how in the fuck are we not repeating it again and again and again.

Plan B was not a bad idea. Repubs have compromised. Dems refuse. So now we are going back to Bill Clinton tax rates. Dems voted against Bush tax cuts so why are they upset.

We are the party that wants to keep tax cuts permanent. We have COMPROMISED on one of our core principles for those earning over $1MM. Dems are now whining for keeping middle class tax cuts that they voted against.

Again, why is this difficult?

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (tVTLU)

107 For at least a year, everyone kept saying "go fo it" every five minutes.

But it's impossible to say it as stupidly asStallone did.

Posted by: eleven at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (fsLdt)

108
81I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 28, 2012 01:59 PM (q177U)

------------

It will hurt.

People will have to cut costs...somewhere.
Which usually is in the area of luxury goods, or things that you can live without.

This will have a huge ripple effect on the economy as a whole.
Jobs will be cut, as businesses are affected.

Every time the government takes more millions out of the Economy...it hurts the Economy.

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 02:05 PM (K4wCe)

109 After a pimp knocks him unconscious, a US Senator uses his newly gained telekinetic powers to balance the federal budget. Awoken from a coma he learns that it was all just a dream, the US has slid into anarchy and that he's been sodomized by the hospital staff. Hilarity ensues.

Posted by: TV Guide - Hell Edition at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (SzAZ7)

110 Wheatie:

Exactly....

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (tVTLU)

111 Actually there are traing corsetts that step down slowly. Women that use them generally sleep in them, There all the rage for crossdressers.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (l86i3)




Rule #1, Rule #1, Rule #1.....don't ask why/how he knows this. DON'T. DO. IT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (IvVLN)

112 I give you this in penance.



http://bit.ly/UykyhI


Umm... what were we talking about again? I suddenly seem to be experiencing a loss of blood pressure to my brain for some reason.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (SY2Kh)

113 "GOP is as much a part of the problem."
===============

The GOP has been bad, yes, but not as bad as the Democrats. For the Democrats, ruinous spending is a vocation, a religion.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (H84UO)

114 Please make it so. I'm tired of all the leftards I work discussing those evil Bush tax rates. I am in the let it burn column. You want higher taxes, you got it.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (Vu3LY)

115 67 I hadn't thought of this, but it does sound like an interesting idea. Federal withholding has become kind of like the way I look at saving by allotment - "if I don't see it, I won't miss it". Perhaps if everyone actually had to experience writing that check every year, they'd notice that they DO miss it over the course of the year.

Posted by: antisocialist at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (Ahxbg)

116 Of course we'll be hurt.
Posted by: pep at December 28, 2012 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)


This. Because when taxes go up and revenues go down, there will have to be layoffs at all levels of government. There just will. And you know who gets laid off? Not the misanthrope bureaucrats or the idiot adminstrators. It's the people at the bottom of the ladder, the ones who actually DO work with people, and a lot of whom genuinely DO want to do their job well and not be another blot on someone's day. Or the ones who work behind teh scenes to actually process information, or analyze data, or build things. Those are the "disposable" government employees; the only ones who have any empathy with the people they serve.

The ones with the three degrees and a high price tag who sit in the corner office and check off boxes on sheets of paper to make decisions, however, are considered too indispensable, too rare, for the breadline. They never lose their jobs; they just get transferred.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (4df7R)

117 Btw, going Galt kinda sucks. It's far less satisfying than I thought it would be.

Posted by: L, elle at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (0PiQ4)

118 End federal withholding. Everyone should have to
write a check in April. We are becoming divorced from reality of the
costs of our government. If everyone had to pay their taxes in one shot
in April, people would be a lot more interested in all the bike trails
the government is building and the 14 different federal departments that
build them.


Posted by: Shtetl G at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (L2eC5)

Agreed. Make people write a check every year. It was a tactic Republicans could have used years ago to permanently damage the idea that taxes are good.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (bb5+k)

119 Not to be a dick, but Theissen comes from a very wealthy family and any tax increases will really not affect him much, if at all. He has a huge trust fund as a pillow for his ample ass.
This is just an amusing spectacle to him

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (D2wZD)

120
We've had several charities call us since the election. They are hurting bad. My wife just tells them that since Obama has been re-elected we no longer are donating. Their responses have been akin to an agape mouth.

Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (UhXzR)

121
1) Restoration of Clinton era tax rates.
2) ???
3) Prosperity

Thus spake teh Krugman

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (TBTjX)

122 OT, Did you know the lines on a red solo cup are actually measuring points? First line is a shot, second line is a wine serving, third line is beer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (l86i3)

123 If you have a cell phone and are also paying for a land line, why? I cut my land line a few years ago - saved $70 per month, $840 per year, $8,400 per decade (plus growth if invested).

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:07 PM (x9s9/)

124 I give you this in penance. http://bit.ly/UykyhI

I grovel at your feet in humble thanks and adoration, Imperial One.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 02:08 PM (zF6Iw)

125 AtC, that Dita picture is...disturbing. And looks painful.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:02 PM (IvVLN)



Nah, you just have to have good posture and not breathe deeply. Also train down to it. I'm told. By other people. Who were not me many moons and dress sizes ago.


Here have some other Dita - http://bit.ly/PMGgwq

Also speaking of Marlene - http://bit.ly/10sSbVl

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 02:09 PM (VtjlW)

126 Dita is our generations Betty Page.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:09 PM (l86i3)

127 Give the Obots what they wanted. Good and hard.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (QKKT0)

128 I'm finding it hard to feel bad for the young generation that will have to pay the bill. They voted to run up the credit cards past the max since they're deeply in love with Obama, like the hippest coolest preznit EVAH

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (wwsoB)

129 Let it burn.

Even though we will all get hit hard it has to be done.

I'll be so poor I won't be able to afford the o and r, so I'll be po'.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (iYbLN)

130 We keep saying the Free Shit Army has a great lesson
coming. They do not. This is the system they want. If they don't get
their Free Shit, it's because the wrong crook is in office.



There will be no learning from this.

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 01:56 PM (FcR7P)

Cut off their free shit (or reduce the purchasing power of their EBT cards by rampant inflation) and they will riot. In the process a lot of them will die. This is likely a necessary part of the cure.

A Financial collapse will very likely result in many of the free shit army brigades dying. Ugly, but apparently necessary.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (bb5+k)

131 Found that NY Post article. http://tinyurl.com/cej3xg3
It's awesome.
I'll betcha not one voted against Obama.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (dZ756)

132 I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?

I hear you.

Eaton Cox.

Posted by: eleven at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (fsLdt)

133 "Not to be a dick, but Theissen comes from a very wealthy family and any
tax increases will really not affect him much, if at all. He has a huge
trust fund as a pillow for his ample ass.
This is just an amusing spectacle to him."

===============

Thank you! It's all well and good to enjoy the pain about to be inflicted on the Obots, but the fact of the matter is that a little more than half of the electorate wanted this, not all of us. A bunch of us wanted something more responsible, and our impending pain shouldn't be taken lightly.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (H84UO)

134 I cut my land line a few years ago - saved $70 per month,

Would love to, but it's got my DSL. I cut cable, though, and got my $8400 that way. At the end of ten years, that should be good for a free loaf of bread!

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (FcR7P)

135 >>OT, Did you know the lines on a red solo cup are actually measuring points? First line is a shot, second line is a wine serving, third line is beer
The third line IS NOT for shots??
Well shit, that might a lot

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (D2wZD)

136 We are four!

Posted by: The 'Two' twins at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (tdaam)

137 This is your first mistake. It isn't the Obama
falls, it's the
Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Reagan-Carter-Nixon-plus-all-Congresses-inbetween-falls.
GOP is as much a part of the problem.

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (HS3dy)

__________________________
Obama has added more to the debt in 4 years than Bush, Clinton and Reagan added TOGETHER in 24 years. The blame lies with one person...Barry.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (HDgX3)

138 How do you legalize weed and then not collect any tax revenue from it in those lefty states?

The Choom King aught to have figured this out by now. Even though it may cannibalize alcohol and cigarette taxes, I can see a fuggin' boat load of tax revenue.

Legal disclaimer: works in no toking zone, enforced by random piss tests.

Posted by: sTevo at December 28, 2012 02:11 PM (KSy6o)

139 Letitburn!

and

Call your red state dem senator and beg them to please support any and all gun bans. Also call your house rep and let them know they had better let the Senate vote first then shoot (ha) down any gun regs.

Posted by: traye at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (b4WC6)

140 I cut my land line a few years ago - saved $70 per month

Copper works when the batteries are dead. Handy for 911. I never forget where my wall phone is or drop it in puddles, etc.

Most phone companies provide limited copper 911 service for free or a very nominal cost.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (TBTjX)

141 I like my land line. I even have an old rotary phone that requires no power. It's a nice insurance policy against power outages and satelite issues. But if I could get my aged MIL to be able to dial a different number, I might be willing to get rid of the land line.

Posted by: Cold snowy @ss at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (UhXzR)

142 >>going Galt kinda sucks

Shun the heretic.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (epxV4)

143 The leftists love to tell us what a utopia Europe is, all the free stuff they get from their benevolent government masters.

What they leave out is that Europe has a lower corporate tax rate than us, and most of the free shit the serfs get is paid for with their own income taxes and value added taxes.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (wwsoB)

144
There will be no learning. But there will be
plenty of death as they kill each other off for shrinking welfare checks
and EBT cards. And no, I'm really not kidding.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 02:00 PM (4df7R)


This is what I see too. Hyperinflation will make their incomes insufficient to survive on, and they will respond by getting violent.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:12 PM (bb5+k)

145 "(plus growth if invested)."
==========

"Growth"? What's that?

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (H84UO)

146 When shopping for groceries, stick mostly to the outer edges - meat and fresh fruit/vegetables. Cheaper, healthier. And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or a crap.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (x9s9/)

147 Most low information voters don't pay taxes, yet they get most of the government benefits.
Just what the progressives want.
Until the system really collapse's these voters won't be accountable.
When the system does collapse - we need to stand back and let them eat each other.

Posted by: redguy at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (oKH8p)

148 On the bright side, if this is how Barry manages money in his personal life, in 2017 the Obamas will be homeless and destitute, and will need Jimmy Carter to bail them out.

Posted by: Fritz at December 28, 2012 02:14 PM (/ZZCn)

149 When shopping for groceries, stick mostly to the outer edges - meat and fresh fruit/vegetables. Cheaper, healthier. And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or a crap.
Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (x9s9/)

Have a smoke by the entrance, I heard that really fucks them up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:14 PM (l86i3)

150 When shopping for groceries, stick mostly to the outer edges - meat and fresh fruit/vegetables. Cheaper, healthier. And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or a crap.
Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (x9s9/)


And when you do, don't flush.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 28, 2012 02:14 PM (4df7R)

151 "And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. "
===============

The douchebag customers of Whole Foods are liberals, but I thought the owners weren't.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2012 02:15 PM (H84UO)

152 Sidenote here guys:

What does "TEH" stand for?? Many thanks.

Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016 want to know!!!!

Did you read Tom Cotton's article on Hegel. Fucking brilliant.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 28, 2012 02:16 PM (tVTLU)

153 If you get an IP phone like Vonage or MagicJack, you can STILL retain the copper for 911 with a bit of phone wiring magic.

Backfeed the IP phone onto pair 1, which is disconnected from the phone network interface, then send the Telco's pair 1 down pair 2's wires.

Hookup the 911 landline phone with a special cord you make up that swaps pair 2's pins into the pair 1 positions.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 28, 2012 02:16 PM (TBTjX)

154 146
When shopping for groceries, stick mostly to the outer edges - meat and
fresh fruit/vegetables. Cheaper, healthier. And don't ever go to a Whole
Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or
a crap.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex

Whole Paycheck is generally overexpensive, though you can find bargains on occasion. It's the closest supermarket to my house, so in a pinch I go there. I used to shop at Safeway another mile up the hill, but they have so few checkers that - time is $ - it's cheaper to shop at WP. I like their salad bar too.

BTW, WP is where special liberals shop to avoid the patrons they patronize politically (you know, non-white, non-professionals).

Posted by: SFGoth at December 28, 2012 02:17 PM (dZ756)

155 I can't really afford to pay any more taxes, BTW. How about you guys?

Is it a question of us going down or of just choosing the terms?

Unless spending gets fixed at some point, I see it as just an issue of "when" and "how."

Posted by: AD at December 28, 2012 02:17 PM (dLy9m)

156
Know what other major institution allows the government to hide the extent of present and future taxation, and in fact enables the deficit spending?
It starts with f, ends in d, and rhymes with dead.
Hopefullyyou'll come around to,or at leaststart promoting,that insight in another decade, once it's becomeacceptable to the GOP bien pensants (since younow love that word). Maybe after icky Ron Paul's dead.
Eh, whoam Ikidding. The GOPs going to become an even more explicit Big Government party in the coming years. Have to get those wise latino/as, after all.

Posted by: MlR at December 28, 2012 02:17 PM (vR2l5)

157 And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or a crap.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:13 PM (x9s9/)



Wet cleanup on the tofu aisle!

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 28, 2012 02:18 PM (v9Cj5)

158 Dita is our generations Betty Page.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:09 PM (l86i3)



Purposefully so as well.


Back to the emdoomening, I used to use the line about how anyone who believes socialism works was never assigned to a group project in school. Then it hit me. Those who believe that socialism works are the ones who angled to get in the smart kid's group, refused to do anything and then whined about how it wasn't fair that they not get the same grade as the kid who actually did all the work.




Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra cross stitch. at December 28, 2012 02:18 PM (VtjlW)

159 18 Just saw on Drudge. Jug Ears has ended the Federal pay freeze. Looks like Biden gets more money for crayons and applesauce next year.
Posted by: B at December 28, 2012 01:44 PM (5OEha)

But will they be able to hire someone to remind him that you're supposed to eat the APPLE SAUCE and draw with the CRAYONS?

---

Let's head off a potential problem at the pass and remind the Vice President that the Dutch Resistance members are from the Netherlands and not the Nether Regions.

Posted by: President William Haney at December 28, 2012 02:18 PM (e0xKF)

160

'Withholding' started out being optional.
That's how it crept in.

People were able to 'choose' whether or not they wanted their taxes withheld from their paychecks.

So let's go back to that.

Freedom of Choice!
Dems should be all for that, right?

Posted by: wheatie at December 28, 2012 02:19 PM (K4wCe)

161 What they leave out is that Europe has a lower corporate tax rate than us, and most of the free shit the serfs get is paid for with their own income taxes and value added taxes.

What they leave out is that WE paid for it (not thru taxes, but thru growth). As we go socialist, we no longer have the engine to import their goods nor the will to defend them. Surprise, their system is no longer viable!

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 02:19 PM (FcR7P)

162 In 2010, my last year working, I made $320K. First year of Galt, I spent $41K. Second year, $38K.Third year currently projected at $35K. I cango lower. A lot lower.

Posted by: Thadeus Rex at December 28, 2012 02:19 PM (x9s9/)

163 It's over!

After the upcoming amnesty program, the GOP will never win again.

Conservatives are done politically.

I have been assured by top men it is all accidental.

Posted by: Col. Trautman at December 28, 2012 02:20 PM (11Tdq)

164 I tend to agree with Marc. The business of government has been to insulate the voters from the consequences of their own idiocy. That has got to stop.

Posted by: navybrat at December 28, 2012 02:20 PM (aWvVx)

165 Know what other major institution allows the government to hide the extent of present and future taxation, and in fact enables the deficit spending?It starts with f, ends in d, and rhymes with dead.Hopefullyyou'll come around to,or at leaststart promoting,that insight in another decade, once it's becomeacceptable to the GOP bien pensants (since younow love that word). Maybe after icky Ron Paul's dead.Eh, whoam Ikidding. The GOPs going to become an even more explicit Big Government party in the coming years. Have to get those wise latino/as, after all.

You must have us confused with people who think the GOP is the bee's knees, little child. And, just for the record, bien pensants is two words, not one. Sarcasm works a little better when one can actually put down a coherent thought.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 28, 2012 02:20 PM (zF6Iw)

166
I'm finding it hard to feel bad for the young generation that will have
to pay the bill. They voted to run up the credit cards past the max
since they're deeply in love with Obama, like the hippest coolest
preznit EVAH



Posted by: Kbdabear at December 28, 2012 02:10 PM (wwsoB)


This would be fair *IF* they had been allowed to hear what the consequences would be. But because every source of News is run by Liberal Democrat Union members, the truth about what is happening has been covered up and hidden from them.

Not that it will make any difference to their suffering, but the fact that they were not informed by those whom are trusted to do the informing is not really their fault.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 28, 2012 02:20 PM (bb5+k)

167 I went into a Trader Joe's for the first time a few days ago to compare.

Prices seemed pretty much the same as the HEB right across the street.

::shrug::

My expendtures are down to food, gas, go-phone, toiletries, power, car note, car insurance, rent.

Period.

And booze and cigarettes.

Posted by: eleven at December 28, 2012 02:21 PM (fsLdt)

168 And don't ever go to a Whole Foods (aka liberal nirvana) ever, ever again. Except to take a piss. Or a crap.

In the aisle. And insist it be composted.

Posted by: t-bird at December 28, 2012 02:21 PM (FcR7P)

169 122 OT, Did you know the lines on a red solo cup are actually measuring points? First line is a shot, second line is a wine serving, third line is beer.

---

This makes the U. of Southern Miss's "red cup rule" more logical.

The campus is technically dry but the campus administration will look the other way on drinking as long as the person is 21, the beverage in question is at or below 4% alcohol, *and* is being consumed from an opaque cup rather than a can/bottle.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 28, 2012 02:22 PM (e0xKF)

170 the fact that they were not informed by those whom are trusted to do the informing is not really their fault.



Bzzzt. Wrong!

These uber-smart internetz savvy folks could have informed themselves, same as us.

Posted by: Joe Mama at December 28, 2012 02:22 PM (v9Cj5)

171 Would love to, but it's got my DSL. I cut cable, though, and got my
$8400 that way. At the end of ten years, that should be good for a free
loaf of bread!


Some providers offer "naked" or "dry" DSL, where you retain DSL service but without POTS (plain old telephone service).

They'll usually charge more for DSL, but overall it's still cheaper.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 28, 2012 02:23 PM (SY2Kh)

172 For AtC and the Dita fans...


http://tinyurl.com/cqlcsxx


NSFW

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:25 PM (IvVLN)

173 End federal withholding. Everyone should have to write a check in April. We are becoming divorced from reality of the costs of our government. If everyone had to pay their taxes in one shot in April, people would be a lot more interested in all the bike trails the government is building and the 14 different federal departments that build them.
Posted by: Shtetl G at December 28, 2012 01:55 PM (L2eC5)

Key Democratic Party constituencies will be protected and will never feel the sting of high taxation, no matter what. If anything, current governmental economic policies are deliberately designed to maintain high unemployment rates. And energy prices? The whole point of the EPA regulatory regime and alternative energy subsidies is to keep energy (and food) prices un-cheap, all environmental posturing aside.

Nothing is more dangerous to a welfare state than prosperity.

Posted by: troyriser at December 28, 2012 02:26 PM (vtiE6)

174 So maybe we should be deficit hawks first...

HAWKS?!?
that doesn't sound very nice now does it? What is the electorate going to think of us if we go around talking about ourselves as hawks?

Posted by: Carl Rove, compassionate conservative and all at December 28, 2012 02:29 PM (wBtFp)

175
"Obama has added more to the debt in 4 years than Bush, Clinton and Reagan added TOGETHER in 24 years. The blame lies with one person...Barry. "
You are an idiot if you truly believe this. Plus, you're just wrong. Go look up the numbers. Bush added 2.1 T first term, nearly 4T second term. And all with GOP Congress in lockstep I might add.
Obama is bad, but for you to say GOP has done no wrong, you're an idiot.

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 02:29 PM (HS3dy)

176 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at December 28, 2012 02:04 PM (l86i3)



Rule #1, Rule #1, Rule #1.....don't ask why/how he knows this. DON'T. DO. IT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 28, 2012 02:06 PM (IvVLN)

Why/how does he know this?

*runs*

Posted by: KG at December 28, 2012 02:31 PM (p7BzH)

177 You are an idiot if you truly believe this. Plus,
you're just wrong. Go look up the numbers. Bush added 2.1 T first term,
nearly 4T second term. And all with GOP Congress in lockstep I might
add.
Obama is bad, but for you to say GOP has done no wrong, you're an idiot.

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 02:29 PM (HS3dy)

_________________
Bush added 4T to the debt in his second term? LOL. And you're calling people idiot. Priceless. Absolutely priceless.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 28, 2012 02:32 PM (HDgX3)

178 Back to the emdoomening, I used to use the line about how anyone who believes socialism works was never assigned to a group project in school. Then it hit me. Those who believe that socialism works are the ones who angled to get in the smart kid's group, refused to do anything and then whined about how it wasn't fair that they not get the same grade as the kid who actually did all the work.

I have to disagree. A lot of these guys were the ones who were in the smart kid's group, and worked hard to game the system. They've spent their whole lives being told how wonderful they are and have worked their asses off to check all the right boxes because they expected that it would make them part of the elite. They truly believe that they are better than everyone else, and that they should be rewarded for all their hard work by being able to tell the rest of the country how to live. Additionally, since they spent they youth trying to impress all the right people, they never learned to think for themselves.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 28, 2012 02:37 PM (3x3F6)

179 If we go over the fiscal cliff, as looks likely, in 2013 the House Republicans should refuse to pass any debt limit increase or tax cuts for any taxpayers unless and until Obama and the Senate Democrats agree to reinstate all of the Bush-era tax cuts in a bill titled, "The Bush Tax Cut Restoration Act of 2013." No "Obama Tax Cuts," please.

Posted by: stuiec at December 28, 2012 02:38 PM (Di3Im)

180 This is what I see too. Hyperinflation will make their incomes insufficient to survive on, and they will respond by getting violent.


aka, Target Rich Environment.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 28, 2012 02:42 PM (GFM2b)

181 @stuiec, you're an idiot too. Maybe after you get done sucking Bush's knob we can get on to actually cleaning up this mess...

Posted by: Andrew at December 28, 2012 02:53 PM (HS3dy)

182 There are Two things which need to happen, or this Republic is doome IMO.

1. A Flat Tax so EVERYONE pays their share...

2. A Pay as you go Budget...

Otherwise, the Free Shit people will overwhelm the productive part of the economy, by using the Force of Government to take so much, the system will collapse.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 28, 2012 02:56 PM (lZBBB)

183 Attention: President Obama granted raises across the federal government. What the...!!!! Americans are starving, we're in afinancial depression and he's handing out raises to fat cats whoearn --on average-- $90,000 a year to be bureaucrats?!!! Glenn Reynolds over at Instapundit is right:It's the frickin' "Hunger Games!"

Posted by: Manolo at December 28, 2012 03:32 PM (JS6HU)

184

Cut off their free shit (or reduce the purchasing power of their EBT cards by rampant inflation) and they will riot. In the process a lot of them will die. This is likely a necessary part of the cure.


Hey, that's my schtick!

Posted by: Charles Darwin at December 28, 2012 04:34 PM (4u2LN)

185 Tax the poor.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at December 28, 2012 07:26 PM (E1zJK)

186 Your cure won't work under continuous mass immigration, Charles Darwin. Under the 1965 Immigration and Nationalization Act, foreigners will continue to pour into America at the rate of a million a year, as long as there are parts of the world that are still worse than America. That means all the problems that would be self-selecting within a reasonably closed system aren't. The proportion of native-born White Americans who are most imbued with traditional American values goes down and down. In other words, that is the kind of person that is being selected against. This overwhelms all lesser selection processes.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 28, 2012 07:43 PM (+VZoO)

187 That means all the problems that would be self-correcting within a reasonably closed system aren't.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 28, 2012 07:44 PM (+VZoO)

188 Can we dispense with the notion that a majority of Republicans in both houses of Congress actually give a shit about the budget being balanced? The Republican party is just another side of the same coin as the Demo's, everything going on in Washington is Kabuki theater both sides are false. Let it burn hopefully something better will grow from the ashes but honestly I don't give a damn if it does or not I will be in the ground by the time we become Somalia and my kids are grown and all have advanced degrees in STEM subjects they can live anywhere and thrive.

Posted by: Oldcrow at December 28, 2012 11:17 PM (b6OH8)

189 I say we take off and nuke the entire DC metro area from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Rich Fader at December 29, 2012 12:18 AM (+vyUD)

190
If we go over the cliff the deficit goes down from 1.2 trillion to 300 billion. Let's do it. Then go to work on the 300 billion. With our bloated government hacking out 300 billion would like shooting ducks in a barrel. And everyone pays.

Posted by: filetandrelease at December 29, 2012 10:08 AM (Atrve)






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