Howard Kurtz: Why, It's Incredible That David Gregory Could Be Investitaged For Breaking the Law When He Had No Criminal Intent!

Millions of gun owners, who use their guns for perfectly law-abiding and peaceable purposes and yet live under similar threat of arrest for noncompliance with this or that obscure law, certainly can understand Kurtz's sentiment.

Except they're probably wondering why David Gregory has the Status to avoid prosecution for breaking the law, whereas they themselves do not.

Was the moderator of Meet the Press caught on tape, armed and dangerous, liberating a few Slurpees from a 7-Eleven? No, he waved a high-capacity ammunition clip on the air while interviewing Wayne LaPierre, asking it shouldn’t be banned.

Was it a stunt? Yep, and an eye-catching one. Was Gregory being aggressive with the NRA chief, or seeming to push gun control in a confrontational interview? All that is up for debate.

But a police probe over what I assume was an empty ammo clip is a total waste of time. What it demonstrates above all is that journalists are getting ensnared in the political war over gun control.

This is stupidity on a truly breathtaking level. Bans of things like high-capacity magazines do not simply ban the thing when used in the commission of a crime. There are also such laws, which the NRA and most everyone supports, by the way, but the instant argument is entirely about whether or not certain things should be banned even when used in a perfectly lawful manner. An outright ban, a strict-liability ban (that is, it doesn't matter how you use it or what your intent is), a per se ban.

David Gregory broke the very type of law that Gregory and Kurtz want more of, want not just in DC, but across the country, for a lot of different guns or gun accessories, and Kurtz says, "Well that's not really a crime, because it's David Gregory and he didn't do anything wrong."

When should the average citizen know when it's permissible for he himself to break the stated law? If he only uses his magazine for legal target-shooting, should he likewise consider himself to be immune from prosecution? Would law enforcement agree?

Or is it just that David Gregory's High Status gives him a general license to break certain minor laws without consequence?


What's Criminal Intent Got To Do With It? Part of the logic of absolute bans (without regard to criminal intent) is that a crazy person might just steal them from you, as happened in the Newtown shooting.

So what does it matter if Gregory's intent was non-criminal? It is the very existence of these things that causes death and mayhem, we're told. How could he have been sure his high capacity magazine wouldn't be stolen and used for a crime?

Thanks to Michael Babbit for pointing that out.


Posted by: Ace at 01:17 PM



Comments

1 David Gregory is a popular man here at the HQ. And Howard Kurtz besides.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:18 PM (kZ1LX)

2 What if a crazy had stolen that clip and used it in a murder?

Posted by: Michael Babbitt at December 26, 2012 01:18 PM (p/jtE)

3 When guns are outlawed, only criminals will have guns. And David Gregory's kids' security detail.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 26, 2012 01:19 PM (QKKT0)

4 Above the law. What part this do you not understand?

Posted by: your betters in the Media at December 26, 2012 01:19 PM (bAGA/)

5 Gregory's children attend school at Sidwell Friends, which employs eleven armed guards.

Posted by: kallisto at December 26, 2012 01:19 PM (jm/9g)

6 Or is it just that David Gregory's High Status gives him a general license to break certain minor laws without consequence?


Yes. FYNQ.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at December 26, 2012 01:19 PM (Gk3SS)

7 I've said all I have to say about that.


Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 01:20 PM (KXm42)

8 Oh, and if it had really been a CLIP, Mr. Gregory would have been perfectly within the law...but then he wouldn't get to grandstand so beautifully on national television, would he?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:20 PM (kZ1LX)

9 Only Dec.26 and Ace is already re-gifting threads.

Posted by: shillelagh at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (hRzu2)

10 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (/eBe8)

11 Make them live by the rules they want to impose.
This is Alinsky tactics at work, but sometimes it's just too satisfying not to do it.

Posted by: Mephitis at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (GLwVs)

12 Or is it just that David Gregory's High Status gives him a general license to break certain minor laws without consequence?

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Yep. That's it. That's the one.

Posted by: Liberal Cognitive Dissonance at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (nELVU)

13 No criminal intent.

I'll have to remember that line the next time I get pulled over for speeding downtown. That that'll work?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at December 26, 2012 01:21 PM (n4EDK)

14 If Gregory's great grandmother had voted for a Republican one time, he's be serving 1-2 years in jail right now. But he's a Democrat through and through so he gets a pass.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 26, 2012 01:22 PM (HDgX3)

15 THIS!

... is why David Gregory should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Andy at December 26, 2012 01:22 PM (Cjjf6)

16 If David Gregory gets a pass, then we should all march on the national mall waving around 30 cap mags. no guns, just the mags.

Posted by: AndrewL at December 26, 2012 01:22 PM (rsPKs)

17 I was speeding, but I had no criminal intent.

Afterall, in some places its legal to go 65, just not in the 45mph zone I was in at the moment.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 01:23 PM (GULKT)

18 but the instant argument is entirely about whether or not certain things should be banned even when used in a perfectly lawful manner.

Not to nitpick (well, okay, to nitpick) but if it's banned, then it isn't a "lawful" manner. I believe you meant "safe" or "peaceful" there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:23 PM (/eBe8)

19 I am above the law.The law isfor "little people." David Gregory

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at December 26, 2012 01:23 PM (wbmaj)

20 My head is spinning. I need some Dambitol (TM)

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 01:23 PM (KXm42)

21 This gun control thing is really making me mad. Angrier than I've been for the whole last year. These idiots in the media have reached a new low.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:24 PM (kZ1LX)

22 These idiots in the media have reached a new low.

I wouldn't cover my shorts yet, they can go a lot lower.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 26, 2012 01:25 PM (TkFJS)

23 >>>9 Only Dec.26 and Ace is already re-gifting threads.

ahahaha

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:25 PM (kZ1LX)

24 Ya know.... fuck David Gregory.... with Howie Kurtz's dick.

My oldest son got three days supension from high school for having ONE..... FUCKING SPENT.... 12 guage shotgun shell rattling around in the bed of his pickup while parked on school grounds. He had been shooting clays with ME over the weekend.

Im am NOT impressed with these two assclown's arguments.....


Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2012 01:26 PM (nELVU)

25 Good thing I have no criminal intent for that surplus Minuteman III in my backyard.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 26, 2012 01:26 PM (B+qrE)

26 Gregory's children attend school at Sidwell Friends, which employs eleven armed guards.

Don't want the hoi polloi to storm the cafeteria for their Freshly Baked Muffins, Tomato Dill Soup, All Natural BBQ Chicken Wings, Sweet Potato Black Bean Bake, and Sliced Fresh Pineapple.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 01:26 PM (6Uliu)

27 ". . . what I assume was an empty clip . . ." Based on that "assumption" it's no big deal. It's just a little macho chest pounding among friends. David Gregory can speak French [as he showed President Bush during a press conference.] So it stands to reason that he prefers his "clips" to be unloaded. Non-consensual sex with Soledad O'Brien on a bale of marijuana during MTP is simply a teaching moment, performance art, the masterful use of a dull prop. And really wasn't it a little dangerous waving that mag around the NRA VP? At any moment he could have grabbed it and mewled "Give me the Precious!"

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 26, 2012 01:26 PM (qwK3S)

28 He didn't break-break the law-law!

Posted by: judge Whoopi at December 26, 2012 01:27 PM (AWmfW)

29 Was this magazine a banned item? Yep - meets the description in the statute.

Did he possess the magazine? Yep - meets the actus reus part.

Did he intend to possess the magazine? Yep - meets the mens rea part.



The item, the intent, and the act were enough to meet the elements of the crime.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 26, 2012 01:27 PM (gmoEG)

30 I think the BIGGER question, is why Government agents do not have to follow Gun Laws?

In a Republic, is the Government itself ABOVE the LAW?

THAT is the debate that needs to happen...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 01:27 PM (lZBBB)

31 >>>My oldest son got three days supension from high school for having ONE..... FUCKING SPENT.... 12 guage shotgun shell rattling around in the bed of his pickup while parked on school grounds.

WOW.

Zero tolerance. Working as intended.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:27 PM (kZ1LX)

32 My oldest son got three days supension from high school for having ONE..... FUCKING SPENT.... 12 guage shotgun shell rattling around in the bed of his pickup while parked on school grounds.

Could have been worse. He could have had a Tylenol in his pocket.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 26, 2012 01:29 PM (B+qrE)

33 My oldest son got three days supension from high school for having
ONE..... FUCKING SPENT.... 12 guage shotgun shell rattling around in the
bed of his pickup while parked on school grounds.


Seems legit. Someone could have gotten their eye poked out if another student had stolen it and welded it to their brass knuckles during shop class.

o.O

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 26, 2012 01:29 PM (6Uliu)

34 21 Yoshi
This gun control thing is really making me mad. Angrier than I've been for the whole last year.


See? That irrational anger is why you can't be trusted with guns.

Posted by: rickl at December 26, 2012 01:29 PM (zoehZ)

35 On the "no criminal intent" thing... I don't get that. Didn't he specifically have criminal intent? Wasn't his whole point that what he was doing should be against the law (and, it turns out, it is. Not that anything will come of it)?

And I'm going on the record as saying the book should be thrown at him. Two things that are very bad are obviously true here, and we're much more likely to fix them if we make some examples. DG can be the first.

First bad thing: obviously people who live in and around DC were not aware that 30 round magazines are illegal there. People should be aware of their local laws. Giving him the maximum sentence makes it much more likely that people will realize possession of such obviously military-grade hardware is actually against the law.

Second bad thing: Celebrities in general seem to be above the law. Assuming charges are even proffered, he'll get probably get some reduced sentence- hardly more than a slap on the wrist- and he and the rest of the "Real Journalists" will keep doing illegal things- NBC engaged in defamation of GM. Dan Rather slandered President George Bush. Etc. Even outside of that, though, you have other celebrities. Lindsey Lohan, for instance- do you think for a moment she would have been given "probation" after all of her various offenses if she weren't famous? We could point at how many others? Giving him the maximum sentence says, "No, celebrities and journalists are just people like everyone else, and they must obey the law just like everyone else. If they don't, they'll suffer penalties as harsh as, or worse than, "regular" citizens because they have a greater responsibility due to their position of popular prominence."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:30 PM (/eBe8)

36 I just love the Leona Helmsley Democrats, don't you. They're all such precious little snowflakes.


Where's the freakin' blow torch?

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 26, 2012 01:31 PM (gmoEG)

37 Diplomatic Immunity!!

Wait, what?

Posted by: David "Chimpboy" Gregory at December 26, 2012 01:32 PM (laOaB)

38 We're us, not you. I mean, why even discuss it.

Posted by: Howard "Inside the Beltway" Kurtz at December 26, 2012 01:32 PM (CWlPF)

39 Howard Kurtz knows he's put his foot in his pie hole and is just making it worse.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:32 PM (XkWWK)

40 David Gregory expects his children to be protected by armed guards while they are at school. However, anyone outside of his Liberal Elite Bubble who wants their children similarly protected is much too...extreme.

In fact the very idea makes him so mad he gets theitch to go shoot up White Flint Mall. He certainly seems like the type, given the way he was angrily waving that clip around on his show.

David Gregory has crazy eyes.

Posted by: kallisto at December 26, 2012 01:33 PM (jm/9g)

41 Howard Kurtz should be a writer of some sort. He seems to have a firm grasp of the English language and the laws of this great nation. Or possibly he could run for an Office like the Benighted Swami of the EPA or something. America needs sharp thinkers in these precarious times.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 26, 2012 01:34 PM (71LDo)

42 Laws are for proles, not The Party.

Posted by: Cato at December 26, 2012 01:35 PM (OAMXb)

43 This defines me.

Posted by: The Inherent Irony of Uneducated and Elitist Liberal Malcontents at December 26, 2012 01:35 PM (pmsMR)

44 Just watched a CNN thing... where Lunze (the Ex Liberal guy who does 'focus groups') was introduced as a GOP STRATEGIST... and came out PRO Gun Control....

When you say that someone who is in support of your position, defines the OTHER SIDE? Wow.... just.... wow...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 01:35 PM (lZBBB)

45 42 Laws are for proles, not The Party.
Posted by: Cato at December 26, 2012 01:35 PM (OAMXb)

I went to a party and they had profiteroles. Now I'm confused.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:36 PM (XkWWK)

46 This brilliant work by Iowahawk needs to be added to the sidebar, if not given a direct thread;

Media Violence Project
Journo-politico Violence: Deadly Threat or Menacing Trend?


http://tinyurl.com/236uaok

Posted by: kbdabear at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (wwsoB)

47 Posted by: kallisto at December 26, 2012 01:33 PM (jm/9g)

More.... He works behind Armed Guards... and I will bet he lives in a Gated Community... with Armed Guards on call...

But thats because he is famous and shit.... so he needs it...

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (lZBBB)

48 He should be, but won't, prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Posted by: CEH at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (IXuDb)

49 proles

Now I want to own a racing horse, just so I can name it "Proletariat." Also so I can start a horse blog.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (/eBe8)

50 Zero tolerance. Working as intended.

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The purpose of zero tolerance is to eliminate the possibility of common sense.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (Hx5uv)

51 The government: Guns for me, but not for thee.

Who's going to save us when a cop decides to go crazy and starting shooting up a school/mall/theater?

Posted by: JDTAY at December 26, 2012 01:38 PM (a0nis)

52 I mean, he lives in Georgetown! How can you even hold him to the same standards as some sister humper from one of THOSE states?

Posted by: Howard "Inside the Beltway" Kurtz at December 26, 2012 01:39 PM (CWlPF)

53 "ensnared in the political war over gun control."

"Ensnared"? Like innocent bystanders? BULLSHIT. These "journalists" are volunteering themselves to serve on the front lines.

Posted by: The Ugly Dougling at December 26, 2012 01:39 PM (r1qVg)

54 Hemorrhoids are nuthin'. Ace is back...

Posted by: Hillary at December 26, 2012 01:40 PM (FcR7P)

55 Jeremy Clarkson and his fellow Brits don't want Piers Morgan back;

BBC's 'Top Gear' Host to America: 'It Took Us 40 Years to Get Rid of Piers Morgan, Please Don't Send Him Back'


http://tinyurl.com/cgokcpm


Americans. Was the second amendment not introduced to protect you from the tyranny of the British? Piers Morgan in other words.
— Jeremy Clarkson (@JeremyClarkson) December 24, 2012




Posted by: kbdabear at December 26, 2012 01:40 PM (wwsoB)

56 There seems to be an echo, echo on the blog.

Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 01:40 PM (nqBYe)

57 The purpose of zero tolerance is to eliminate the possibility of common sense.

A foolish adherence to absolutism is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Posted by: eleven at December 26, 2012 01:41 PM (KXm42)

58 What about the studio/corporation? Wouldn't Gregory's action be a violation of their policies as well? Did he have authorization from the studio in violation of local laws? Where's the paper trail?

Some f*cking heads need to be chopped and rolled!

Posted by: Fritz at December 26, 2012 01:42 PM (/ZZCn)

59 Has anyone asked Dick "Tracy" Gregory where he got it? I suspect that transaction was criminal as well. And what has he done with it since?

Posted by: USA at December 26, 2012 01:43 PM (RIg+t)

60 56 There seems to be an echo, echo on the blog.
Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 01:40 PM (nqBYe)


"We were looking for an echo,
an answer to our sound,
a place to be in harmony,
a place we never found..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:43 PM (XkWWK)

61 Seems to me Gregory had plenty of "criminal intent". He intended to possess the magazine, and that was a criminal act, ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's not like the props man left on his interview desk and Gregory didn't know what it was, since he described it on camera including the very details that make it a prohibited item.

Posted by: Socratease at December 26, 2012 01:43 PM (DRPrm)

62 Just the other day I went out with some friends and shot a "military-style" AR-15 and a real (as opposed to journalistic shorthand) AK-47. David Gregory is invited to the next one so he can shake in his little space boots.

The stupid thing is that if liberals just hung out a little with "military-style guns" and the people who own them, they would quickly realize that guns aren't scary at all in the right hands.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (kZ1LX)

63 Snowing steadily here in SE PA. Must be that global warming thingie I keep hearing about.

Posted by: joncelli at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (CWlPF)

64 59 And what has he done with it since?
Posted by: USA at December 26, 2012 01:43 PM (RIg+t)

Destroying evidence IS a major felony, ain't it?!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (XkWWK)

65
I think you guys are too quick to assume these elite journalists use armed security because they think theyare so elite. What if they use security because they know they are doing such a shit job as Fourth Estate?

I mean, when I used to wait tables I never really thought anybody would shoot my ass for poor service, but then I really made an effort to do well. In the case of D.C. media, they may well feel they have painted targets on their own backswith poor performance.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (r5w1L)

66 Who's going to save us when a cop decides to go crazy and starting shooting up a school/mall/theater?


Posted by: JDTAY at December 26, 2012 01:38 PM (a0nis)


No one...

Posted by: Dead child at Waco... at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (lZBBB)

67 I'm thinking of a law- say, interstate transport of a kidnapping victim in an AMC Gremlin- which I don't intend to break...

There, no criminal intent!

Posted by: t-bird at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (FcR7P)

68 One of my EAGLE scouts found a spent .22 cartridge in the lav, brought it to the school office. They decided that since he did the right thing they should search his backpack. This Eagle scout, Honor student had a small pocketknife in his pack, from a scout trip on the weekkend that he neglected to remove. Talk of suspension. Every single adult in the troop was ready to go down with pitchforks and torches. Finally common sense leaked out. Zero tolerance means zero f+++in common sense.

Posted by: Arrgghhh at December 26, 2012 01:45 PM (FxBCF)

69 I was investitaged once but they gave me a local first.

Posted by: joncelli at December 26, 2012 01:46 PM (CWlPF)

70 >>>55 Jeremy Clarkson and his fellow Brits don't want Piers Morgan back;

LOL!

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:46 PM (kZ1LX)

71 "The purpose of zero tolerance is to eliminate the possibility of common sense."

More like its purpose is to eliminate responsibility. "I was just following orders" is the only defense you need, no decision making or the responsibility for the consequences of your decisions are necessary.

Posted by: Socratease at December 26, 2012 01:46 PM (DRPrm)

72 Laws just don't make themselves Gregory. Shouldn't You just roll with this?:This is what you advocate for?

Why are you fighting the idea? You wife beater wearing, knuckldragging bitter clinger.

Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 01:47 PM (nqBYe)

73 That law just popped up and shot me in the foot.

Posted by: ette at December 26, 2012 01:48 PM (nqBYe)

74 So a nerve gas collection is safe? No criminal intent.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 01:48 PM (AWmfW)

75 "Ensnared"? Like innocent bystanders? BULLSHIT. These "journalists" are volunteering themselves to serve on the front lines.

Exactly. So 'criminal intent' isn't much of stretch, is it?

Posted by: Retread at December 26, 2012 01:49 PM (zxitI)

76 Does anyone know what the penalty is for possession of a weapon of mass destruction 30 round magazine in Washington DC?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2012 01:49 PM (GsoHv)

77
So a nerve gas collection is safe?

Only if you're David Gregory.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (R/Baw)

78 Another law standard is 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. In this case, he wasn't ignorant, just an ignoramus.

I actually hate that idea, and there are plenty of people with felony records from violating laws they knew nothing about. The Federal Register had about 200,000 pages as of 2006.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (ccXZP)

79 12 years old?! Who knew? No criminal intent!

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (AWmfW)

80 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2012 01:49 PM (GsoHv)

Depends. Are you an urban black youth, or a white middle aged man like David Gregory?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (/eBe8)

81 Its a criminal act to possess the magazine. Gregory intended to possess the magazine. Certainly sounds to me like he had criminal intent.

Posted by: buzzion at December 26, 2012 01:51 PM (GULKT)

82
61 Seems to me Gregory had plenty of "criminal intent". He intended to possess the magazine, and that was a criminal act, ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's not like the props man left on his interview desk and Gregory didn't know what it was, since he described it on camera including the very details that make it a prohibited item.
Posted by: Socratease at December 26, 2012 01:43 PM (DRPrm)







The email to the PD asking for permission, denial, and these assholes saying "Fuck tha' police" and using it anyway sure sounds like criminal intent to me.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 01:51 PM (c2oll)

83 I find it hard to believe David Gregory's kids go to a school with armed guards.


The kids part, not the armed guards part.

Posted by: Vizzini at December 26, 2012 01:52 PM (O7Q1u)

84 Arresting David Gregory for having that magazine would be like arresting Michelle Obama for having a big posterior. She doesn't have criminal intent but she could use that thing to kill dozens.

Posted by: Howard Kurtz at December 26, 2012 01:52 PM (kGe7Z)

85 Gregory needs to be prosecuted and jailed

Everyone who planned, participated, approved, wrote, reviewed, edited, and all other functions during and before the broadcast need to be charged, prosecuted and jailed for conspiracy to commit and as accessories before during

Everyone who is excusing Gregory's actions needs to be tried as accessories after the fact and conspiracy to hid the crime


Posted by: Mark E at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (3+35n)

86 I actually hate that idea, and there are plenty of people with felony records from violating laws they knew nothing about.

I don't know if I'd call it "routine" but juries often ignore that idea. Turns out that courtrooms are not Zero Tolerance areas.

And, really, that's the problem with Zero Tolerance- not that it vetoes common sense, but that it deprives citizens of their due process, and flips the burden of proof to the accused.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (/eBe8)

87 Regarding criminal intent - I'd like to see Judge Judy bitchslap Kurtz,
"Don't tell me what his intent was!"

Posted by: Cheri at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (G+Wff)

88 Hi cap mags for me but none for thee.

Eat your low-fat sugar-free cake , peasants!


Posted by: Marie "Mooch" Antoinette's fat ass at December 26, 2012 01:53 PM (EZl54)

89 I exposed myself to Howie Kurtz' wife and daughter.

Was it a stunt? Yep, and an eye-catching one.

That's all the excuse the cops needed to let me get dressed and walk out of there.

I love this country. Very progressive.



Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 26, 2012 01:54 PM (KZi9D)

90 84 Arresting David Gregory for having that magazine would be like arresting Michelle Obama for having a big posterior. She doesn't have criminal intent but she could use that thing to kill dozens.
Posted by: Howard Kurtz at December 26, 2012 01:52 PM (kGe7Z)

What's the capacity of that ass?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:54 PM (XkWWK)

91 77
So a nerve gas collection is safe?

Only if you're David Gregory.
Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (R/Baw)


Nerve and Gas are appropriate words when describing David Gregory.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:55 PM (XkWWK)

92 What's the capacity of that ass?

Yeah. Like I'd know.

Posted by: Barack Obama, SCOAMT at December 26, 2012 01:55 PM (/eBe8)

93 About "INTENT" . . .Legal Insurrection has the goods on NBC and David Gregory . . .DC police denied permission to use high capacity clip in report. http://tinyurl.com/bnrg7mp

Posted by: wtd at December 26, 2012 01:55 PM (y7c1A)

94 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:50 PM (/eBe

Yes. I would love to see the Washington DC legal establishment get backed into a corner on this one. Imagine a huge protest of the mothers of all the urban "youths" who are currently incarcerated on weapons charges. I am sure that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are planning it as we speak.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2012 01:56 PM (GsoHv)

95 The email to the PD asking for permission, denial, and these assholes saying "Fuck tha' police" and using it anyway sure sounds like criminal intent to me.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 01:51 PM (c2oll)


ONLY the media would use the 'I didn't know defense' when they ASKED permision to do an illegal act, and it was denied...

/facepalm

Posted by: Dead child at Waco... at December 26, 2012 01:56 PM (lZBBB)

96 I am sure that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are planning it as we speak.

I'm sure they'll get right on it, just as soon as they're done destroying George Zimmerman for the non-crime of defending himself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:57 PM (/eBe8)

97
Pretty funny stuff. That little scamp Gregory, it makes you wonder what he will do next?


Possesion of "illegal" 30 round clip in DC? No problem.

Next up,two grams of heroin he bought off a street junkie.

Three illegal aliens from the border.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 26, 2012 01:57 PM (Md8Uo)

98 Ace, it's "investigated."

Posted by: joncelli, who sometimes can't stop proofreading at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (CWlPF)

99 A magazine is not a "clip." A clip is s strip of metal that has its edges folded up and over so that the rim of a cartridge can be slid in. Some WWI and WWII era rifles were designed to take "stripper clips"where the rifleman pushes the cartridges off of the clip and into the magazine.TheU.S. M1 Garanduses an "en bloc" clip that gets inserted into the magazine along with the cartridges and is automatically ejected when the last cartridge on the clip is fired.
If "magazine" is too long a word for Howie, he can shorten it to "mag," but don't "shorten" it to the wrong word!

Posted by: Alec Rawls at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (kTTUz)

100 Low-level NBC staffer who sent permission e-mail, got denied, used magazine anyway to "make a difference" like he wrote on his LinkedIn profile will be identified and be re-assigned in...5..4..3..

Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (KZi9D)

101 Read the comments at Howie's piece. He's not getting a lot of love there, trust me.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at December 26, 2012 01:58 PM (gxCRt)

102 86 Posted by: AllenG

Only 5% of convictions come from going to trial; the rest are plea bargained. The reason so many plea bargains are accepted is that the penalty for going to trial and losing is usually much harsher than the plea offer.

Even if innocent of intent, the cost of a private lawyer can bankrupt most people willing to take the matter to trial.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 26, 2012 01:59 PM (ccXZP)

103 I did some time at a "diplomats' kids school" overseas, and we had 12 foot high fences, German shepherds, and guards with "military style" scary looking guns. But that was because we had legitimate risks of kidnappings and such.

The idea of putting armed guards in every school is retarded. If a school has their own risk concerns, fine. By it is a horrible waste to put armed guys in schools like Sandy Hook, on the off chance that some crazy shooter will appear. Better to give the principal and some staff access to gun safes on site.

Posted by: wooga at December 26, 2012 01:59 PM (iWNzj)

104 One of my EAGLE scouts found a spent .22 cartridge in the lav, brought it to the school office. They decided that since he did the right thing they should search his backpack. This Eagle scout, Honor student had a small pocketknife in his pack, from a scout trip on the weekkend that he neglected to remove. Talk of suspension. Every single adult in the troop was ready to go down with pitchforks and torches. Finally common sense leaked out. Zero tolerance means zero f+++in common sense.
Posted by: Arrgghhh at December 26, 2012 01:45 PM (FxBCF)


------------------------------------------------


Kind of makes me want to grab a handfull of empty casings and diseminate them over school grounds. Then watch the hilarity ensue.

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 01:59 PM (yCeIL)

105 Did the producer of innocence of muslims have criminal intent?

He's in jail.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 01:59 PM (AWmfW)

106
97
Pretty funny stuff. That little scamp Gregory, it makes you wonder what he will do next?


Possesion of "illegal" 30 round clip in DC? No problem.

Next up,two grams of heroin he bought off a street junkie.

Three illegal aliens from the border.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 26, 2012 01:57 PM (Md8Uo)




Pulled over with a dead condor in the trunk next to a case of Astroglide.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:00 PM (c2oll)

107 Just watched a CNN thing... where Lunze (the Ex Liberal guy who does 'focus groups') was introduced as a GOP STRATEGIST... and came out PRO Gun Control....

When you say that someone who is in support of your position, defines the OTHER SIDE? Wow.... just.... wow...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 26, 2012 01:35 PM (lZBBB)

Ever heard of David Brooks, Frum & Meghan McCain?

Posted by: MidwesternSceptic at December 26, 2012 02:00 PM (cxl8k)

108 How long before someone claims that Gregory's possession and display of the magazine was in the nature of performance art and should be protected by the 1st Amendment?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 26, 2012 02:00 PM (KAWvv)

109 Or is it just that David Gregory's High Status gives him a general license to break certain minormostall laws without consequence?
That reads right, now...

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow's useful tool at December 26, 2012 02:01 PM (EceF8)

110 >>>99 A magazine is not a "clip."

Next you'll tell me that holding guns "palm down" is wrong.

Posted by: Howie "Gangsta" Kurtz at December 26, 2012 02:01 PM (iWNzj)

111
How could he have been sure his high capacity magazine wouldn't be stolen and used for a crime?

Because he has armed guards defending himself and his property (the illegal magazine).

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 26, 2012 02:01 PM (qkP36)

112 Only 5% of convictions come from going to trial; the rest are plea
bargained. The reason so many plea bargains are accepted is that the
penalty for going to trial and losing is usually much harsher than the
plea offer.


Yep, I know. I don't even want to get started on the changes I'd like to see made to the legal system. I think that "over charging" is evil, and that once prosecution has begun in court, the State should not be able then to dismiss charges. Get your ducks in a row and THEN arrest and try. That's just the beginning.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 02:01 PM (/eBe8)

113 NBC called law enforcement in advance to find out if Gregory's theatrics with the banned clip would be deemed illegal. Law enforcement said it would.

Continuing to brandish the clip with full knowledge of its illegality consists of illegal intent. To suggest that intentional, knowledgeable disregard for the law isn't intent, is profoundly and fundamentally dishonest

Posted by: Multitude at December 26, 2012 02:02 PM (bpONz)

114 88. Ill have to try that criminal intent line on the hpd if I get pulled over
Maybe while the cop is distracted by laughing his ass off I can drive away

That is if he doesn't shoot me to put me out of his misery

OT: global warming is real!!!! It's only 0900 and its already 80 degrees out!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 26, 2012 02:02 PM (Htg5c)

115 The Meanie Homeschool curriculum includes a class on the art of war and military tactics.

Little Meanies will be proficient on the use of crossbows, bo staffs, and Mini-14s.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 26, 2012 02:03 PM (Ec6wH)

116 hahahaha

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 2nd day of Christmas at December 26, 2012 02:03 PM (GVxQo)

117 and a real (as opposed to journalistic shorthand) AK-47.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 26, 2012 01:44 PM (kZ1LX)


full-auto?

those are not very commen as far as class 3 goes,


Posted by: D Eisenhower at December 26, 2012 02:03 PM (jfSqj)

118 If a newspaper can publish the name and address of gun owners because of public concern then let's also start publishing the name and address of all psychotropic drug users too. Public good and all.

Posted by: NCKate at December 26, 2012 02:04 PM (XwChs)

119 Even though I'm sure this wont go anywhere in the short term, I'm loving the leftist squirming on a stick.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:04 PM (c2oll)

120
Meghan McCain?

Are those tits legal?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 26, 2012 02:04 PM (Md8Uo)

121 When some schoolkids get killed in a fire do we ban fire? Or put a fireman in every school?

Posted by: DAve at December 26, 2012 02:04 PM (XDC0v)

122 “From: “DC Police (imailagent)”
Subject: Email from DC Police (Intranet Quorum IMA00519327)
Date: December 24, 2012 4:13:12 PM EST
To: -

The Metropolitan Police Department is in receipt of your e-mail regarding David Gregory segment on “Meet the Press.” MPD has received numerous e-mails informing us of the segment. NBC contacted MPD inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for their segment. NBC was informed that possession of a high capacity magazines is not permissible and their request was denied. This matter is currently being investigated. Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention.

Customer Service – Metropolitan Police Department”

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at December 26, 2012 02:04 PM (e8kgV)

123 A question for the legal minds here: If DC refuses to prosecute Gregory for his alleged crime, or if he receives an incredibly weak consequence (e.g. 30 days probation), has the District just destroyed its law per establishing a precedent that others should be able to access?

Perhaps we need a Million Magazine March if they let the creepy newsperp go free.

Posted by: Multitude at December 26, 2012 02:05 PM (bpONz)

124 114. Holy shit
'86 not 88' and my misery not his

Need coffee IV asap

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 26, 2012 02:05 PM (Htg5c)

125 nc kate....i like the way you think!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 2nd day of Christmas at December 26, 2012 02:06 PM (GVxQo)

126 Imagine for a moment ..

what if Adam Lanza's Bushmaster was a "Fast and Furious" weapon ?

Posted by: Baron Münchhausen at December 26, 2012 02:06 PM (e8kgV)

127 testing new kindle and router...

I'm not intending to be O/T, therefore I'm not.

Posted by: Mama AJ on Fire at December 26, 2012 02:06 PM (SUKHu)

128 NBC contacted MPD inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity
magazine for their segment. NBC was informed that possession of a high
capacity magazines is not permissible and their request was denied. This
matter is currently being investigated.


I get that this is a robo-email, but what is there to "investigate?"

NBC asked if the magazine could be used.
MPD said "no."
NBC used the magazine anyway.

If I wanted to define "Open and shut case" I don't think I could do a better job.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (/eBe8)

129 "Kind of makes me want to grab a handfull of empty
casings and diseminate them over school grounds. Then watch the hilarity
ensue."

Posted by: Soona at December 26, 2012 01:59 PM (yCeIL)

Or drop a few in the principal's car or the superintendent's car and see whether "zero tolerance" applies to them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (GsoHv)

130 Little Meanies will be proficient on the use of crossbows, bo staffs, and Mini-14s.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 26, 2012 02:03 PM (Ec6wH)

Not a longbow? Child Abuse!

Posted by: joncelli at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (CWlPF)

131 112 I was told right here on this blog that the only people who take plea bargains are guilty

Posted by: DAve at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (XDC0v)

132 Best part is that if Gregory gets a pass ( which I fully expect), it'll set up an excellent basis for a legal challenge to the DC high cap mag ban via unequal application of the law.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (c2oll)

133

"Or is it just that David Gregory's High Status gives him a general license to break certain minor laws without consequence?"


The DC legal system would prosecute me to the maximum they could.

If Gregory is not prosecuted to the maximum that DC laws allow, then I am injured ... as this would be denial of Equal Protection.


The DC legal system would convict me given the evidence ... a public video broadcast with an admission. This broadcast was intentional, and intentionally public.

If this intentional public video broadcast is suppressed, then I am injured ... as this would be denial of Equal Protection.

If Gregory is not convicted, then I am injured ... as this would be denial of Equal Protection.


The DC legal system would sentence me to some severe jail time, perhaps even the maximum allowed ... certainly not time in a federal minimum security "country club" or even a few month's probation; more likely a year or so in a real "hope you like tossed salad" jail.

If Gregory is not sentenced to this level of punishment, then I am injured ... as this would be denial of Equal Protection.

Posted by: Arbalest at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (t8dlh)

134 There has to be a whole network of criminals in the supply chain around Gregory , where did he get the mag from?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (AWmfW)

135 What's the capacity of that ass?Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 26, 2012 01:54 PM (XkWWK)One-and-a-half axe handles, at least.

Posted by: Insomniac at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (R/Baw)

136 123. Hustler or penthouse and sign me up!!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 26, 2012 02:07 PM (Htg5c)

137 SUKHu

Now that's a hash.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 02:08 PM (/eBe8)

138 Mark Steyn is talking about it on Rush right now



.

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 26, 2012 02:08 PM (jfSqj)

139 49 proles

Now I want to own a racing horse, just so I can name it "Proletariat." Also so I can start a horse blog.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 01:37 PM (/eBe

You been talking about starting a blog for awhile now. Maybe 2013 will be the year you finally do it.

Posted by: The Ghost Of PugBoo Past at December 26, 2012 02:09 PM (MG6Y6)

140 Best part is that if Gregory gets a pass ( which I fully expect), it'll
set up an excellent basis for a legal challenge to the DC high cap mag
ban via unequal application of the law.

----

.... and since Gregory is a white dude..... Im thinking "disparate racial impact" comes into play.....



Alinksy's Rules.

Aint just for radicals anymore.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 26, 2012 02:09 PM (nELVU)

141 The term you're looking for is "mens rea." There has to be some element of it for criminal law. However, Gregory demonstrated the intent by the fact that he was told by the Metropolitan Police Department that the possession of the magazine was illegal before he brandished it on television. He knew, but he did it anyway, so "intent" was fully met.

Posted by: Manolo at December 26, 2012 02:10 PM (PttbO)

142 Book 'em Danno.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 26, 2012 02:10 PM (BVkEs)

143 Allen G has a blog? Why have you bastards not told me of this?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:11 PM (c2oll)

144 David Gregory reminds me of Gumby.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 26, 2012 02:11 PM (BVkEs)

145 From the network that brought you igniters on truck fuel tanks, "Iraq is in a civil war," and selectively edited Zimmerman audio...now comes, "no criminal intent violations of the law."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 26, 2012 02:11 PM (B+qrE)

146 allen

there was a horse with that name

http://tinyurl.com/d7xvz4q

Posted by: phoenixgirl, Merry 2nd day of Christmas at December 26, 2012 02:11 PM (GVxQo)

147 Why stop at Gregory? Get the whole crew for conspiracy.

Posted by: Whatev at December 26, 2012 02:12 PM (2t6Gz)

148 Seriously, someone needs to ask Gregory and Kurtz if they'd support a young black man's right to waive around a "high capacity" magazine in direct contravention of the law.

If they say "yes," then the next question should be, "then what is the point of a ban?"

If they say "no,"... well, I think you guess the next question.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 02:12 PM (/eBe8)

149
Allen G has a blog? Why have you bastards not told me of this?

----

Wait! Whaaaa????

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 26, 2012 02:12 PM (BVkEs)

150 there was a horse with that name


Curses! Foiled again!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 26, 2012 02:13 PM (/eBe8)

151 The bitch set me up!!

Posted by: David Gregory at December 26, 2012 02:13 PM (yCeIL)

152 Somewhere, there is a gun to fit that Magazine Gregory was waving around. . . because no one buys just the magazine.

Might be some cartridges also.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 26, 2012 02:14 PM (dSJQr)

153 Somewhere, there is a gun to fit that Magazine Gregory was waving around. . . because no one buys just the magazine.
Not sure. He strikes me as a teleprompter idiot, so....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 26, 2012 02:16 PM (B+qrE)

154 What can I say? I've been doing a little moonlighting.

Posted by: TOTUS at December 26, 2012 02:18 PM (c2oll)

155 >>>>A magazine is not a "clip."<<<<

When and why did this turn into such a big deal? Up until, I don't know, the late '90s I guess, I heard people (including military and law enforcement personnel) use the term clip for magazine more often than not. Then it became a Thing, and I really don't understand it. I know the difference but if someone tells me the got a couple of clips for their 1911, I know exactly what they mean. Clip is two syllables and four letters shorter than magazine. It rolls off the tongue easier. I understand the shorthand.

It is like insisting that the main battery on the Iowa are housed in hooded barbettes instead of turrets.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 26, 2012 02:21 PM (KAWvv)

156 Posted by: Big Fat Meanie atDecember26,2012 02:03 PM (Ec6wH)

Do you have the curriculum prepared? If so I'd be interested in a copy. I have my kids in Tae Kwon Do, and they're all going to be taking hunter/general gun safety, but my late husband was the tactician so I can only pass along what he told me which isn't enough, all things considered.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 26, 2012 02:22 PM (wbeNt)

157 It's the gun nut version of longbows vs crossbows

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:23 PM (c2oll)

158 DC Law explicitly says you don't even need to have a gun to break the law. Just possession of the high capacity magazine. And it doesn't have to be loaded with bullets, either. Possession of such a magazine, that alone, is a crime in DC. There is no provision for intent, but for possession. Expressly. So, Gregory flaunted the law in order to have his dramatic prop. You can bet that if LaPierre had pulled such a stunt Gregory would be screaming for his head on a plate, not casting about for technical excuses.

Posted by: Cowboy at December 26, 2012 02:33 PM (WcgMM)

159 Your Honor I wasn't going to USE or SELL that cocaine. I was just showing people what it looked like.

I didn't POSSESS it I was just working with it for my job.

Posted by: SmileyNH at December 26, 2012 02:35 PM (hlZx/)

160 "My oldest son got three days supension from high school for having ONE..... FUCKING SPENT.... 12 guage shotgun shell rattling around in the bed of his pickup while parked on school grounds. "

That's like the hamas lady with the unspent bullets that hit her house.

Posted by: SmileyNH at December 26, 2012 02:37 PM (hlZx/)

161 Thank you to whoever's running the banhammer. Watching those last couple troll comments vanish like magic is inspiring.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 26, 2012 02:37 PM (wbeNt)

162 Oh look, a piñata.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 26, 2012 02:38 PM (c2oll)

163 Look, Daddy! Every time the banhammerfalls, a Troll gets his wings.

Posted by: ZuZu at December 26, 2012 02:43 PM (KZi9D)

164 When can we expect a better class of troll? This one's just annoying.

Posted by: speedster1 at December 26, 2012 02:43 PM (yeM7r)

165 It's all c*nt and spooge to liberal tolls.

Because: smarter

Posted by: ZuZu at December 26, 2012 02:44 PM (KZi9D)

166 WooHoo! Called out by a troll! Made my day, I tell ya.

Posted by: speedster1 at December 26, 2012 02:45 PM (yeM7r)

167 The Voice of Experience.

I love Career Day on the HQ.

Posted by: ZuZu at December 26, 2012 02:45 PM (KZi9D)

168 Actually, it's kinda fun watching this in real-time. Is that ozone I detect?

Posted by: speedster1 at December 26, 2012 02:47 PM (yeM7r)

169 165 Amazing isn't it? Yet in their universe *we're* the sex-adverse stupid people. AmishDude is absolutely correct that projection is a hallmark of recessivism.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 26, 2012 02:47 PM (wbeNt)

170 Slicing like a ban hammer

Posted by: The Shirts the Guys Got at December 26, 2012 02:47 PM (KZi9D)

171 Kurtz the Clown: "What it demonstrates above all is that journalists are getting ensnared in the political war over gun control."

Ensnared? ENSNARED?! Look, Asshole... you and your ilk are the ones trying to force legislators to create and set the traps. The balls!

And what "it" demonstrates is that you and your profession as a "mainstreamer" are beyond help and salvation. May the more toughened criminal class hit you and yours first.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 26, 2012 02:48 PM (eHIJJ)

172 The mens rea for any possession crime is only the intention to possess the barred item. Intention to break the law or even the intention to commit a crime with the prohibited item is not a relevant element.

Gregory is guilty absent some privilege (like an undercover officer temporarily possessing an unlawful item in connection with an investigation ). There is no journalist privilege to possessing unlawful contraband, though it is a good bet Gregory and his new stable of lawyers are busily trying to make one up.

In Gregory's case there is evidence as to all the elements of the crime of possessing an unlawful high capacity magazine and so there is probable cause to arrest his ass and prosecute him. Not that that will ever happen.

Posted by: Jean ValJean's baker at December 26, 2012 02:50 PM (Xv7f/)

173 Jeeze, this toll's like a two year old who's discovered his pee-pee and swear words. It's like they don't even really try anymore.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 26, 2012 02:51 PM (wbeNt)

174 Polli: that's kinda what I meant.

Posted by: speedster1 at December 26, 2012 02:58 PM (yeM7r)

175 I blame the public education system.

Posted by: Butters at December 26, 2012 03:18 PM (NIZHJ)

176 Kurtz's argument comes up short.

Also, he's a self-righteous self-superior asshole.

Gregory and other staff involved need to be investigated and if possible tried for the idiot law they broke. The fact that it's an idiot law should not protect them, the idiot law is the very one they were advocating for in the process of breaking it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 26, 2012 03:27 PM (bxiXv)

177 I am of two minds. I am offended by the suggestion that a right that "shall not be infringed" is infringed by banning a certain type of firearm
accessory. If I were on the jury, I would vote to acquit Gregory on exactly those grounds.

Yet at the same moment Gregory pulls out this prop as a theatrical means with which to bash a defender of that right, he must violate the very type of law he is advocating that we must have for our safety. As I have warned many times, liberals are liars and before they lie to us they always lie to themselves. In this case the lie is that what Gregory wants to do is so righteously important that he can ignore the law in front of millions of viewers, even at the same moment he expects everyone else to strictly obey it and that society will be much safer when they do.


Gregory demonstrates once again how morally corrupt members of the elite governing class are at his level, and how dangerous to our safety. That is
because while Gregory gets to enjoy bodyguards for himself and his children at their private school, he would deny the rest of us the means to protect ourselves and our families.

It remains to be seen if he gets a pass from the District of Columbia for his public crime, but in the past such people get a pass more often than not.

What Gregory did, and what he advocates at the same time my friends is an offense to my intelligence, to my citizenship, and my ability to freely exercise a right that "shall not be infringed".

Posted by: theBuckWheat at December 26, 2012 04:02 PM (hBb5u)

178 He held it up as an object that should be outlawed across the nation because it is a threat (according the leftist government types), so he clearlyKNEW it was something that was outlawed.Arrest him now.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 26, 2012 04:04 PM (70Mth)

179 Gregory and Kurtz stupidity begets stupidity.

Posted by: Buffalobob at December 26, 2012 04:10 PM (x+7qA)

180 <i>for he himself to break the stated law?</i>

Him himself.

"For" marks the next word as the subject of a to-infinitive, and subjects of nonfinite verbs (verbs not carrying tense) are in the objective case.

Alternative but less enlightened explanation, "him" is the object of the preposition "for," but that loses the more universal truth. The grammar is made a convenience of.

Posted by: rhhardin at December 26, 2012 04:41 PM (VCVul)

181 "What it demonstrates above all is that journalists are getting ensnared in the political war over gun control."

They started firing shots and now they want to declare themselves non-combatants. Well, isn't that convenient?

*Hang this fucker from the tallest tree you can find and let his festering corpse serve as a warning to other propagand-oops,I mean,journalists. The freedom of the press shall not be abridged, the Founders said nothing about protecting a pack of worthless,ball-less,simpering lickspittle propagandist cheerleaders for an unconstitutional government regime.


*And by that I obviously mean nailing his ass to the wall with the hysterical overreaching laws he champions. Though I'd like to see him hanging from a tree for his treasonous bid to disarm the patriotic citizens of this country,I don't advocate it.

Posted by: LibsWorshipDepravity at December 26, 2012 05:02 PM (LaeVK)

182 No crime here no matter how you slice it. No victim. We have tons of people in jail for victimless crimes, which aren't crimes

Posted by: pellet at December 26, 2012 09:06 PM (S1pi0)

183 I could get off more rounds with 20 low cap mags before that ass munch could chamber a round

Posted by: Woody at December 26, 2012 11:54 PM (swblU)

184 Uhm, how did this ammo clip get to the broadcast station where Georgory displayed it? Was it brought by car or the Metro? If by Metro, didn't he violate more laws? From where did this clip come? VA or MD i.e. crossing interstate lines... violating more laws.

Who owns the clip btw?

Posted by: dscott at December 27, 2012 10:07 AM (EYzt8)

185 He had criminal intent.

Criminal intent is not the intent to commit a crime; it is the intent to commit an act that, whether known to the actor or not, is criminal.

That is what is meant by the maxim "ignorance of the law is no excuse."

Why would anyone not knowing that even use the phrase "criminal intent"? Only to look better educated than he actually is.

Posted by: A6 at December 28, 2012 04:38 AM (G1qWs)






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