Sunday Morning Book Thread 12-23-2012: Having a National Conversation [OregonMuse]


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"OK, Mr. President, I'm ready to have a national conversation on guns. You go first."


Good morning morons and moronettes and welcome to this week's locked, loaded, and primed Sunday Morning Book Thread.


Blah, blah, blah

In the wake of the Newtown murders, acting President Obama has announced that he wants to have a "national conversation on guns." I don't know about you, but I really love these "national conversations". Of course, we all know that when a liberal says he wants to have a "conversation", it means he wants those who disagree with him (i.e. us) to shut up and listen to a lecture by him consisting of roughly equal parts of contempt, ridicule, insults, and threats.

This is what the left thinks is a "conversation."

But I'm serious when I say I welcome a national conversation on guns - for the simple reason that this is a debate that conservatives win pretty much every time. This seems to be the one area of American life that the progressive left has not been able to impose its worldview on. I'm not sure why this is; perhaps it's because gun owners are so numerous or so well-organized (the left bitterly complains about the NRA and the "gun lobby"), or maybe it's because the tradition of private gun ownership in America is so deep and pervasive that any attempt to transform it into a more European model (i.e. hardly any private gun ownership) simply has no chance of success. But whatever the reason, every time this subject comes up, the result is the same: we win, they lose. More or less.


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All of the left's counterarguments are weak tea, mostly appeals based on emotion and empty rhetoric. And then there's this book here, which claimed to be a scientific study on the origins of American "gun culture." This book was greeted with loud hosannas and shouts of joy and praise from the liberal left, who were in a state of near-religious ecstasy because they thought that finally, FINALLY they had some solid evidence they could use against those mouth-breathing, troglodyte gun owners and that pesky 2nd Amendment. This rapturous joy soon evaporated, however, when subsequent investigations revealed that the author basically made shit up wholecloth to support his bogus thesis. His scholarship was so transparently dishonest that they revoked his Bancroft Book Award prize and he also lost his job at the university where he was teaching. Given that the book is completely fraudulent, I'm surprised it's even still in print.

But everybody knows it's crap. And the left has still got nothing.

Faith in Fiction

Here's an article by some guy bemoaning the loss of religious faith and the quandaries and issues it raises from modern fiction writing. He says:

In The New Yorker, a novelist describes his best seller as a work about free will written from a Catholic perspective ó but the novelist is Anthony Burgess, dead almost 20 years, and his essay (about ďA Clockwork OrangeĒ) is a lecture exhumed from 1973.

This, in short, is how Christian belief figures into literary fiction in our place and time: as something between a dead language and a hangover. Forgive me if I exaggerate. But if any patch of our culture can be said to be post-Christian, it is literature.

Warning: link is to the NY Times. I think the article is kind of meh, but it does have a number of references to modern books and stories that may be worth looking into.


From the Mailbag

Moron author Raymond Fiore informs me that there will be a 100% off sale on the Kindle editions of his books on Christmas Day. That's right, morons, he's giving them away for free for one day. How cool is that? Info on titles available here.

Long-time moronette commenter Tammy al-Thor recommends the works of Celia 'Sgt. Mom' Hayes. Sgt. Mom spoke of her own books in a comment on last week's book thread:

To Truckee's Trail is about the first wagon train to make it over the Sierra Nevada with their wagons in the dead of winter, The Adelsverein Trilogy is about the German settlements in Texas (Yes, there was an extensive effort to plant a large colony of German settlers in Texas in the 1840s which hardly anyone outside of Texas has ever heard of) and Daughter of Texas and Deep in the Heart are about the early days in Texas, the war for independence, and the raucous days of the Republic of Texas... again, lots of interesting shenanigans going on, like an international dispute between the Republic and France over an innkeeper's wandering pigs.

Me, I'd buy it just to find out what happened with those pigs.

[Update: ] It looks like a number of you moron authors have books coming out soon (I'm looking at YOU Oldsailors Poet, and YOU Sabrina Chase!). You should e-mail me the pertinent details, and I'll announce it in an upcoming book thread.

So that's all for this week. As always, book thread tips, suggestions, rumors, and insults may be sent to aoshqbookthread@gmail.com.

So what have you all been reading this week?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:59 AM



Comments

1 The works of Carlton Mellick III are priceless gems.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (G6kli)

2 This seems to be the one area of American life that the progressive left has not been able to impose its worldview on. I'm not sure why this is; perhaps it's because gun owners are so numerous or so well-organized (the left bitterly complains about the NRA and the "gun lobby")...
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It helps enormously that the NRA and other pro-gun organizations are in it to win it.

Rights defended by the Republican Party are lost. Like this.

Warning: TPM link: http://tinyurl.com/cslomea

Former Republican National Committee chairman and MSNBC commentator Michael Steele on Friday said he found the press conference led by National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre "very haunting and very disturbing."

Asked by MSNBC anchor Thomas Roberts for his immediate response to the NRA presser, Steele initially appeared speechless.

ďI donít even know where to begin," Steele said. "As a supporter of the Second Amendment and a supporter of the NRA, even though Iím not a member of the NRA, I just found it very haunting and very disturbing that our country now, that are talking about arming our teachers and our principals in classrooms. What does that say about us? And I do not believe that's where the American people want to go. I do not believe that is the response that should be coming out of the tragedy in Newtown."

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 23, 2012 11:14 AM (z3rhi)

3 Because there is no Christmas movie thread allow me to recommend

Hogfather

Die Hard 1&2

Lethal Weapon 1&2

Rare Exports a Christmas Tale

Tokyo Godfathers

The Lion in Winter


Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2012 11:15 AM (G6kli)

4 Here's a quote that I probably found here on the HQ at some point, I really don't remember where I found it. I've tried to track down the source (i.e., it what context Judge Kosinski wrote it), but have not found it yet.


The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. 2009 Judge Alex Kozinski

Posted by: Boots at December 23, 2012 11:15 AM (neKzn)

5
Number 43 opining from the Out House beats number 44 orally flatulating from the White House any day.

Posted by: Dr Fish, TDY to SAT for ill mom at December 23, 2012 11:15 AM (ndqJC)

6
I couldn't make it through the NYT article.
I think part of the problem is not pluralism (as he seems to be claiming) but the fact that after some what 1800 years or so, of Chirstan writing, the various themes have becoem tropes, and cliched.
This is not a knock against religion, more of an observation that there are only so many ways you can tie the themes of Christianity together into engaging fiction before you're just copying someone else's work. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing per se. If our world is doomed because not enough people got their morality from a fiction book, our world was already doomed because people needed to get morality from a fiction book!

Having said that "A Canticle for Liebowitz" by Watler Miller Jr. Is a great piece of Catholic Post-Apocolyptic Sci-Fi (from the 1960s if memory serves).

Posted by: tsrblke at December 23, 2012 11:18 AM (GaqMa)

7 &

Posted by: Thorvald at December 23, 2012 11:18 AM (Puqom)

8 The liberals know that gun laws would never pass a vote so they try to impose them via federal mandate. And that is exactly what Obama is planning. Every gun law since the 1930s banning machine guns is unconstitutional.


EVERY.DAMN.ONE



As for books, I am still working my way through the Wheel Of Time re-read in prep for the last book coming out next month. I am on number 4 now.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 11:23 AM (53z96)

9 "Double Cross: The True Story of the D-Day Spies" by Ben Macintyre. Fascinating book. I thought I knew a fair amount about the XX Committee (double-cross or disinformation), but I learned a lot from this book. Covers the quite eccentric crew of double agents used by the Brits to cause the Nazis to deploy troops poorly. Like many Allied efforts in WWII, a close-run thing.

I also liked Macintyre's "Operation Mincemeat."

Not the most fluid writer in the world, but exhaustively researched and extremely interesting.

Posted by: Doug at December 23, 2012 11:23 AM (kVww1)

10
Union members..with exceptions like the retards in the SEIU and AFSCME..are big gun rights advocates.

Film Actors Guild (F.A.G.) card holders are very anti-gun, except of course for their body guards

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (Yhu4q)

11 re: Guns in Schools

What's lost is that turning a "Gun Free Zone" into a "Guns Might Be Here, or Not, Do You Want to Find Out?" Zone solves the problem.

You don't ** need ** an armed guard in every school.

Just the possibility of one or more people carrying a gun in a school.
____

And I'm perfectly okay with having a separate, voluntary credential to "carry in a school" -- minimum five years in district, background check, yearly trainings, carry on person reqmnt, et cetera.

You'd have more than zero guns in a school.

More correctly, there *could* be a good guy with a gun at the school ...
_

That would seem to be a good thing.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 23, 2012 11:25 AM (RuUvx)

12 Rule number one of struggling against liberals is not to surrender out of the gate.

The credentialed elite of the Republican Party has been in almost continuous violation of that rule for half a century or more.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 23, 2012 11:25 AM (z3rhi)

13
>>Rule number one of struggling against liberals is not to surrender out of the gate.

Hmmmm.....the name Boehner sounds German, not French

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 23, 2012 11:27 AM (Yhu4q)

14 3 -

What, no Bad Santa?

That's quite a list there.

One of my favorites is The Bishop's Wife. Not the remake with Denzel, where he really DID look like he intended to boink the guy's wife. The original, with Cary Grant, David Niven, and Loretta Young.


Posted by: BurtTC at December 23, 2012 11:27 AM (BeSEI)

15 Morning all. I slept in this AM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 23, 2012 11:27 AM (jE38p)

16 Allow me to add to the Christmas movies list:

Batman Returns

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 23, 2012 11:27 AM (z3rhi)

17 I'm flicking through the 15 volume "Time/Life History of Flight" series. The kind of series advertised in the 70s and 80s where you got a new volume every month.

Found it at a yard sale for $3-

Good stuff.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 23, 2012 11:28 AM (RuUvx)

18 The funny part about all this is that obama and his minions really are the living reasons why the founders put a 2nd amendment in the bill of rights to start with. The whole irony is every time the left vents their pie hole on the 2nd amendment they add weight to its existence. I think the reason why the left will always fail on this debate is because its a chinese handcuff. The more they scream for gun control the more clear the reasons for the 2nd amendment become.

Posted by: Berserker at December 23, 2012 11:29 AM (FMbng)

19 Found it at a yard sale for $3-



Good stuff.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 23, 2012 11:28 AM (RuUvx)

LOL, I got a set of Time Life Books for household repair free from someone. Looked at them and they were woefully out of date and wifey said "we have no room for those" get rid of them.

Took them down to the dumpsters and left them sitting in a box nearby. They were gone the next day.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 11:30 AM (53z96)

20 So yesterday I go to the local pawn shop and they have an ugly Bushmaster in camo paint for $1000.
It came out of pawn two weeks ago. I could have bought it to flip it and make a grand but it may be priceless someday. The big find there was an early model Taurus 85 .38 spcl in unfired condition for $200 out the door.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 23, 2012 11:31 AM (BAnPT)

21 17 -

I read all the AP yearbooks, that ran from '64 to '77. Found all of them really cheap, some less than the cost of shipping. It's an interesting time capsule, including the fact that you could see where the AP stopped trying to be unbiased (about the same time Watergate was wrapping up, and Jimmah was being foisted on us).

Posted by: BurtTC at December 23, 2012 11:31 AM (BeSEI)

22 More correctly, there *could* be a good guy with a gun at the school ...

This fact is very conveniently overlooked in any discussion about guns. To the Left, every gun owner is a rabid, out-of-control merchant of death. It's the same tactic they employed against the Tea Party. This is why the public never hears of those times when a massacre is prevented by the presence of a good guy (or gal) with a firearm. This is a conversation I want to have.

That there are conscientious, responsible gun owners who practice safe handling and are aware of the law is totally lost on them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:31 AM (yiIja)

23 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:31 AM (yiIja)

It all comes down to those who trust the government and those who don't.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:32 AM (3Y7RV)

24 Any post that begins with a picture of Richard Petty is a good one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:34 AM (3Y7RV)

25 I'm not inclined to consider a movie a "Christmas" movie just because the story takes place at Christmas time. I think in order to qualify, the theme of the movie or the "take home lesson" should be Christmas oriented.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 23, 2012 11:34 AM (1OZSU)

26 24 oldsailors poet

AMEN

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 23, 2012 11:36 AM (GVxQo)

27 as a thought experiment for the Left - try this:

Pretend you are a person who's decided to shoot a bunch of students - for whatevere reason.

There are ten schools within a five mile radius of your current location.

One of them is, explicitly, a "Gun Free Zone" the other nine aren't.

Two of the nine have armed guards/police stationed there.

The other seven allow teachers and administrators to carry a weapon if they've passed background checks and had training. There is no record of who is carrying or even if a person carrying a gun is there at any given time.

10 schools - one decision.

Which school would you decide to flame out in?

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 23, 2012 11:36 AM (RuUvx)

28 Any post that begins with a picture of Richard Petty is a good one.

That's a big 10-4.

Appropos of nothing in particular, I'd like to see a return of those "Question Authority" bumper stickers.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:36 AM (yiIja)

29
"an international dispute between the Republic and France over an innkeeper's wandering pigs"
See also the Pig (near-) War in Washington's San Juan Islands, between the Americans British

Posted by: Mamma B at December 23, 2012 11:38 AM (V3vec)

30 Any post that begins with a picture of Richard Petty is a good one.


Just don't be a fast lane Magoo on I-95 in NC where he might just be stuck behind you. Move over or risk getting rubbed on.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 23, 2012 11:41 AM (BAS5M)

31 We all knew where it was going when Obama started his appearances after Sandy Hook with words for the victims, and then changed to a lecturing tone about how "we" must do better and "we" must change. Of course, we knew it wasn't about rational people having a give and take dialogue in good faith about a number of potential solutions. It was always going to be gun control, and it was always going to be "us" that would have to accept gun control, and "them" who would dictate the terms. That there would be no presumption by the left of any good faith on our part, or any acknowledgement that we hate what happened as much as anyone. Or that we might just possibly hold honestdifferences of opinions backed up by research.

No, we always knew it was headed to usbeing on the receiving end of the nasty emotional venting of the "WE" care more then you gun nuts, you caused this, don't you DARE propose ANYTHING, just shut up" variety.

And who should Obama appoint to head this national "conversation"? Why none other than that champion of bi-partisan give and take with the always calming, rational, and knowledgeable demeanor. Thatmediator of mediators- Joe Biden.

As a fellow Delawarean I was ashamed of Joe Biden's condescending, hectoring, interrupting, and demagogic performance at the recent VP debate with Paul Ryan.

Obama's selecting one of the most partisan and strident liberals to head this "national conversation" on gun control is a demonstration of bad faith and ensures that it will have all the nasty characteristics we knew were coming.

I have never owned a gun personally, but the left's loathsome politicization of this incident has hardenedmy position incredibly.

Posted by: RM at December 23, 2012 11:43 AM (ixDYs)

32 Got my first royalty check for my eBooks this week. Not enough to buy a case of Val-U-Rite, but still a nice little pat on the back.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 23, 2012 11:43 AM (azHfB)

33 Me, I'd buy it just to find out what happened with those pigs.

I'm guessing bacon, sausage, chitlins, and pig knuckles. But that's just me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:43 AM (yiIja)

34 Got my first royalty check for my eBooks this week. Not enough to buy a case of Val-U-Rite, but still a nice little pat on the back.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 23, 2012 11:43 AM (azHfB)

Congrats, Mine will be be on Amazon in 7 business days. I can't wait. It's been a journy. Congratulations to you, it's thankless hard work but man, when the final manuscript was submitted, I sat and cried. It was like a child leaving home.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:46 AM (3Y7RV)

35 Is anyone else actually reading any books this week?

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 11:47 AM (53z96)

36 His scholarship was so transparently dishonest that they revoked his Bancroft Book Award prize and he also lost his job at the university where he was teaching. Given that the book is completely fraudulent, I'm surprised it's even still in print.



Two addendums. That was the first and only time that a Bancroft has been revoked. And the original publisher dumped the book. It's now published by a tiny commie press originally founded by a 9/11 Truther.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 11:47 AM (c2oll)

37 To properly frame the discussion, let me be perfectly clear that the vast majority of responsible gun owners agree that no private citizen should own guns.


Anyone that disagrees is obviously an irresponsible gun owner and should be investigated by the BATFE, DHS, DoJ, and TSA for starters before we detain them indefinitely without trial or representation.


Any questions?

Posted by: Barry "Executive Order" Ochoomba at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (Cnqmv)

38 I want to buy a handgun for personal defense at my home. What should I buy? Any suggestions?

I was leaning toward a revolver cause i dont want to deal with jamming when I need it to work, and if I need more than 5 or 6 shots in home defense im fucked anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (++kZl)

39 That there are conscientious, responsible gun owners
who practice safe handling and are aware of the law is totally lost on
them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:31 AM (yiIja)

Liberalism is a mental disease. I like to call it narcissistic projection. What they fear, everyone must fear, what they plan to do, everyone must do, etc etc.Basically, because they are bumbling idiots who would probably shoot their own dick off if they had to use a gun to defend themselves, then everyone out there must be a bumbling idiot who would shoot their own dick off. if they had to use a gun to defend themselves. They accused Bush of being a wannabe dictator, because they were afraid of Bush cutting in on their plans of installing a dictator.Projection is their language.


Posted by: Berserker at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (FMbng)

40 Clearly, Mr. Petty owns too many guns.

Posted by: Piers Morgan at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (6DDE+)

41 I want to buy a handgun for personal defense at my home. What should I buy? Any suggestions?

I was leaning toward a revolver cause i dont want to deal with jamming when I need it to work, and if I need more than 5 or 6 shots in home defense im fucked anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (++kZl)

Go to a shop with a range and shoot them all. The one that feels comfortable in your hand and you can hit a target with is the one you want.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:49 AM (3Y7RV)

42 Muslim Brotherhood claims victory in Egypt constitution vote amid fraud allegations

Things are going to great in Egypt, I am sure obama must be thrilled on what ever Military Golf Course he is on today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 23, 2012 11:50 AM (jE38p)

43 'And then there's this book here, which claimed to be a scientific study on the origins of American "gun culture.'

Yeah, but that book got quoted in Supreme Court briefs even after the author had been fired and his awards rescinded. Gun banners don't give a damn about truth or reality or facts.

Posted by: Socratease at December 23, 2012 11:51 AM (DRPrm)

44 32 Got my first royalty check for my eBooks this week. Not enough to buy a case of Val-U-Rite, but still a nice little pat on the back.
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 23, 2012 11:43 AM (azHfB)

Great feeling, isn't it?

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 23, 2012 11:52 AM (Su0W2)

45 Well, I guess I'm done with the book I've been reading the last year, '350 Beers of the World".

I'll find out later today how I did in the Great Beer Challange. Managed to try 116 of them.

Hope I win. That was one expensive competition.

Posted by: HH at December 23, 2012 11:52 AM (XXwdv)

46
acting President Obama has announced that he wants to have a "national
conversation on guns."




Yeah, we'll get on that right after we have a national conversation on minority crime.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 23, 2012 11:53 AM (4u2LN)

47 Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (++kZl)


For home defense (and for the beginner/novice) nothing beats a 12 gauge...

Posted by: billygoat at December 23, 2012 11:53 AM (6DDE+)

48 Congrats, Mine will be be on Amazon in 7 business days. I can't wait. It's been a journy. Congratulations to you, it's thankless hard work but man, when the final manuscript was submitted, I sat and cried. It was like a child leaving home.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:46 AM (3Y7RV)

Congrats!

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 23, 2012 11:54 AM (Su0W2)

49 OK
Disarm the Secret Service and give them collector muskets

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:54 AM (lD8ju)

50 Anyone who still wants guns, rifles or ammo should go to Traction Control/Well-Regulated Militia: http://tinyurl.com/2ea4lhn Still pre panic prices and a huge inventory and good reliable service. PROTIP:The fear of semi-auto's jamming is utter and complete bullshit. If it's good enough for the Secret Service, the military, SWAT and every law enforcement officer in the country it ought to be good enough for Joe Homeowner. Anytime you have to use a firearm to defend yourself and your family you're fucked. Get a semi-auto with as much mag capacity as you can so you have a better chance.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 11:54 AM (XDC0v)

51 question for the group:


what do we think of Taurus handguns? quality? No? your thoughts please


was looking at some Taurus revolvers the other day

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 11:55 AM (8sCoq)

52 Great feeling, isn't it?
Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 23, 2012 11:52 AM (Su0W2)


Yes indeedly doodly.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 23, 2012 11:56 AM (azHfB)

53 OT early, but it is something I read: our own Kensington got a shout out on Twitchy at the bottom of the thread linked in my sig!

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 23, 2012 11:56 AM (I2LwF)

54 You know, obama can suck the fart out of my ass. We had a national conversation on guns 200+ years ago. The discussion started on Concord bridge, and ended when England lost, we won, and we drafted a constitution where in crystal clear language it says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Posted by: Berserker at December 23, 2012 11:56 AM (FMbng)

55 There was an ABC poll taken last weekend. So the shooting is fresh in everyone's mind, it's on TV 24/7, everyone everywhere is talking about it.

Result of the poll: 71% opposed a ban on handguns. If in the immediate aftermath you still have 71% of people opposed to a handgun ban, it ain't gonna happen any time soon.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 11:56 AM (HDgX3)

56 Didn't Reagan try to Nan assault weapons?

Posted by: occam at December 23, 2012 11:56 AM (zzo4T)

57 Moving forward from my rant above on gun control, I'm starting to dig into "Back To Blood", Tom Wolfe's Miami opus. So far, so good.

My wife felt is was pretty good, but not up to the "Bonfire of the Vanities" or "A Man In Full" level previously established by Wolfe.

Interestingly (to me), I've postponed starting it in part because it's in hardback and not on my Kindle. Guess I've become a convert.

Probably going to get a new Kindle "White paper(/?)" for the built in light, but some reviews complain about the light's quality. Any thoughyts from here?

Posted by: RM at December 23, 2012 11:57 AM (ixDYs)

58 Congratulations, Gregory. Making money from writing must be thrilling.

And OSP, I know you'll tell us when your book is up, and I promise to buy. Congratulations!

I finished "In the Garden of Beasts" in the car this week. Learned still more reasons why FDR was a nasty piece of work, not that I needed any more, and that Martha Dodd had "issues." And that Ambassador Dodd was a decent man who tried.

I just started a mystery called "Shame" but the author named the main character "Maryelizabeth" which is just annoying somehow. Plus it's about a serial killer and I'm so tired of that. It's by Alan Russell who someone here recommended but I couldn't find the book that was recommended at the library so I got this one. We shall see.

I have four books on dog traning to read as my dog is leash-aggressive. She also gets cranky at the dog park if she gets crowded by anyone but her best friend, but fortunately she does come when called.

And most important, I got a book called "The Process of Forgiveness" by a Cistercian priest named Meninger. I really need to read this one but, knowing me, will put it off as long as possible. Sometimes, wounds are like a comforting blanket that you just need to keep yourself wrapped in.

Posted by: Tonestaple at December 23, 2012 11:57 AM (BGruy)

59 41 "Go to a shop with a range and shoot them all. The one that feels comfortable in your hand and you can hit a target with is the one you want." This is the best advice, but pick your top 3 'cuz chances are you may not have the one you like best available. The important thing is to get SOMETHING now (not at panic prices) and you can get exactly what you want later if need be.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 11:57 AM (XDC0v)

60 Would have been interesting to see what Romney would have done had he won. Remember he banned assault weapons in MA. I'm pretty sure he would have been fully onboard with the gun grab craze just as much as Obama. Would have been his first official FUCK YOU to conservatives even before taking office.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 11:58 AM (HDgX3)

61 "Given that the book is completely fraudulent, I'm surprised it's even still in print." Seriously - is that why you link to it on Amazon, so Ace can get a commission when it's bought by a moron?

The chubby Guatemalan still has the Nobel Peace Prize, based on a work of fiction presented as fact.

Posted by: Gerry at December 23, 2012 11:59 AM (G75Lr)

62 >The discussion started on Concord bridge, and ended when England lost,
we won, and we drafted a constitution where in crystal clear language it
says the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.



Loud Fuck Yeah, with oak leaf clusters

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 11:59 AM (8sCoq)

63 "Go to a shop with a range and shoot them all. The
one that feels comfortable in your hand and you can hit a target with is
the one you want." This is the best advice, but pick your top 3 'cuz
chances are you may not have the one you like best available. The
important thing is to get SOMETHING now (not at panic prices) and you
can get exactly what you want later if need be.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 11:57 AM (XDC0v)

_________________________
That's how I am spending Christmas Eve day. I have some family coming into town. They're bringing their guns. We're going to the range for me to test drive different options. I am sad to say these are Democrat family members. But at least Democrats who don't want to ban guns, so they're only 80% evil, not 100%

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:00 PM (HDgX3)

64 2 ďI donít even know where to begin," Steele said. "As a supporter of the Second Amendment and a supporter of the NRA, even though Iím not a member of the NRA, I just found it very haunting and very disturbing that our country now, that are talking about arming our teachers and our principals in classrooms. What does that say about us? And I do not believe that's where the American people want to go. I do not believe that is the response that should be coming out of the tragedy in Newtown." La Pierre'sproposal IS crazy: but it better not be a final proposal but rather just a starting point for negotiations. Steele is welcome to propose a more effective response. If he had one he would have. Most people are incapable of having a "national conversation" 'cuz they never think very much about anything at all.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:02 PM (XDC0v)

65
The other reason the public doesn't here about a lunatic stopped by an armed citizen is because there isno massacre. It got stopped after a couple shots so there is no news worthy of national broadcast. The only times murders get national press is if a) there are a lot of them and they can use it to push an anti-gun agenda or b) the victim is really hot/young.
Mr Pink - I've put 1000's of rounds through my Sig P220 and I'd trust it with my life. (Just stick with the Sig factory mags and always make sure the mag is sseated).Oldsailors advice is awesome. Go to a range with rentals and find something you can shoot quickly and accurately. Figure out the longest line of site distance in your house and assume that is the maximum engagement range. Spin your target and see how you do.

Posted by: AdamPM at December 23, 2012 12:03 PM (KQUMx)

66 OK, 'rons 'n 'ettes. I gotta take B'Gal out for some last minute Christmas shopping, which will also involve me shopping at the liquor store.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 12:03 PM (yiIja)

67 There are a few million TEA party members and close supporters. So a lot of people don't personally get exposed to them, and the MFM (delenda est) can destroy their reputation with relative ease.
.
There are 150 to 200 million responsible gun owners. Everybody but insular liberals knows a few. Much harder to set the false narrative that they're all crazy monsters. Bonus: makes it clearer that th mfm are lying when they're lying about you.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at December 23, 2012 12:03 PM (i3Zbv)

68
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 12:03 PM (yiIja)

Party Pooper.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:04 PM (3Y7RV)

69 If you will, socialism is a form of people looking out for themselves, they may be wrong but they see that it benefits them. So it goes with guns... More often than not they see all manner of guns as something that benefits them. I know I'd get one if I wasn't so damn sure that my tendency to play with things will lead to accidental firing. In the end, people support gun rights because they want to preserve the ability to have one. However, many see "assault" weapons are superfluous... Hence the ability of such laws to gain attraction.

Posted by: Former Mass. Resident at December 23, 2012 12:05 PM (LnQr8)

70 I'll add SINT and whichever Gremlins movies were Christmas based.


It is all well and good for children and acid freaks to still believe in Santa Claus ó but it is still a profoundly morbid day for us working professionals. It is unsettling to know that one out of every twenty people you meet on Xmas will be dead this time next year... Some people can accept this, and some can't. That is why God made whiskey, and also why Wild Turkey comes in $300 shaped canisters during most of the Christmas season."

"Fear and Loathing in Elko" Rolling Stone (23 January 1992)

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2012 12:06 PM (G6kli)

71 Rereading Gift from the Sea by Anne Morrow Lindbergh. And a bunch of cookie recipes.

Posted by: NCKate at December 23, 2012 12:07 PM (4zFn7)

72

>>> Posted by: occam

STFU, dunce

Posted by: soothsayer at December 23, 2012 12:09 PM (Y4TdB)

73 I have Vince flynns latest but it's wrapped under the tree. The Mrs. Won't give it too me till Christmas morning.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:10 PM (3Y7RV)

74 51 Taurus has an uneven reputation. That said, they're cheap and available (that's why) and anything's better than nothing in these VERY unstable and unpredictable times. You can get something better later if that right hasn't been f'd with by TFG. Check out Traction Control/Well-Regulated Militia: http://tinyurl.com/2ea4lhn

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:10 PM (XDC0v)

75 63 Great news Mr. Moo- it's been great having you around lately, BTW

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:11 PM (XDC0v)

76
I'd like to see some Republican congressman propose turning Capitol Hill and the White House into Gun Free Government zones. It'll get voted down of course.
But would that illustrate that our better do realize that the presence of guns does make precious assets (thier asses) a wee bit safer?
Now if guns protect those people, why is it that an even more precious resource (our children) are not deserving of the same kind of protection?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at December 23, 2012 12:12 PM (sYTYw)

77 >Most people are incapable of having a "national conversation" 'cuz they never think very much about anything at all.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:02 PM (XDC0v)

the one or two liberals who have been willing to engage me on Twitter about guns invariably retreated when faced with stuff like facts and logic. Their conversational tactics include but are not limited to:1) red herrings2) strawmen3) non sequiturs

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 12:13 PM (8sCoq)

78 39 The projection comes mostly from knowing that they don't have sufficient self-control and they assume noone else does either

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:13 PM (XDC0v)

79 18 Is top-notch

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:14 PM (XDC0v)

80 The projection comes mostly from knowing that they don't have sufficient self-control and they assume noone else does either
Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:13 PM (XDC0v)

That and their hippy parents taught them to fear inanimate objects.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:14 PM (3Y7RV)

81 Is it necessary...for TFG and his fat ass ugly wife to pollute the AoSHQ book thread?

Well I guess it does make a good point.

OK, I'll sit down now.

Posted by: sTevo at December 23, 2012 12:15 PM (VMcEw)

82 Oh, three people were open carrying in church this morning.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:15 PM (3Y7RV)

83 35 Is anyone else actually reading any books this week?

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Stilll working my way through the 13-in-1 Lemony Snickets ebook I bought a while ago. I'm through volume 4, but haven't yet got past stuff that was in the movie.

Mostly just counts as twiddling my thumbs waiting for Sabrina Chase to finish her next book, though.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 12:16 PM (1c58W)

84 Enough with the Romney hate

Give it a rest

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (lD8ju)

85 OSP, and you never felt safer, right?

Posted by: sTevo at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (VMcEw)

86
OK, I'll sit down now.
Posted by: sTevo at December 23, 2012 12:15 PM (VMcEw)

Good morning sTevo, unfortunatly a picture is worth a thousand words. No matter how disgusting those words might be.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (3Y7RV)

87 Thinking about starting the five Wrinkle in Time books.

Posted by: NCKate at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (4zFn7)

88 OSP, and you never felt safer, right?
Posted by: sTevo at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (VMcEw)

It doesn't suck, mine is in the Mrs. purse between my feet.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:18 PM (3Y7RV)

89 81 Well, does anyone have anything else to say about books? If so what's stopping them? I have a book suggestion: Gunsmithing the AR by Patrick Sweeney. Everyone should have a copy.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:18 PM (XDC0v)

90 Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:18 PM (XDC0v)

Hmm, I will be purchasing that today.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:19 PM (3Y7RV)

91 Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 11:59 AM (8sCoq)

The comment about citizen/colonists being able to resist the English soldiers goes to the heart of our problems today.


Just think, if all the colonists had been disarmed in the 1700s, the United Colonies of America would have attained the same political/socialist state of grace that today's United Kingdom has achieved, but far sooner than we progressives will be able to do. But I comfort myself with the vast number of liberties we have already been able to take away from an unsuspecting populace even though they are (currently) able to bear arms.

Posted by: Barry "Executive Order" Ochoomba at December 23, 2012 12:21 PM (Cnqmv)

92 Here's a book to satisfy the guns and books

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/537267/speer-reloading-manual-14


Even if you do not do your own reloading it is full of good stuff.



Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (53z96)

93 90 You'll love it. A really great resource to start a national conversation on barrel length, twist rates and different sights and handguards

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (XDC0v)

94 RE: ...anti-gun laws will never pass....

Did all the conservative pundits not say the same thing about Obama's health care plan? ...and if it did, the Supreme Court would overturn the law?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (c7WWW)

95 84
Enough with the Romney hate



Give it a rest

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 12:17 PM (lD8ju)

____________________________
Dude I wasn't hating on anyone. I said it would have been interesting to see his reaction to it given he signed into law an assault weapons ban as governor. And I'm not sure when I have ever showed any hate towards Romney. I wanted him to win. I voted for him. I donated money to him. I volunteered for his campaign. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he said or did.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (HDgX3)

96 Oh, three people were open carrying in church this morning.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:15 PM (3Y7RV)
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And you're still alive to tell us about it? Did their guns jam or something?

Posted by: Nanny Bloomburg at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (jucos)

97 Did all the conservative pundits not say the same thing about Obama's health care plan? ...and if it did, the Supreme Court would overturn the law?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (c7WWW)

Good point, thats the scaryness.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (3Y7RV)

98 I'm skimming a college calculus book as well as dabbling in Paradise Lost, but no real heavy reading. Looking foreward to the final WoT book in January, if for no other reason than to see an end to the damn thing.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (o1kXv)

99 Prince Harry got himself a top commander taliban scalp.

We have to close the Hellfire and 30mm loophole.

Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (sqp6o)

100 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (HDgX3)

I hated him, I hate him even more now. Not shy about saying it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:24 PM (3Y7RV)

101 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (c7WWW)

Your liberal pundits continue to act and speak as though this was a nation of laws not men! They will soon realize that this is a nation of progressives not laws!

Posted by: Barry "Executive Order" Ochoomba at December 23, 2012 12:24 PM (Cnqmv)

102 I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but David Gregory committed a crime on Meet The Press this morning when he waved a high-capacity magazine around. MTP is still hosted in DC, right?

"DC High Capacity Ammunition Magazines - D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01

(b) No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm.

Posted by: VT02 at December 23, 2012 12:24 PM (gznAu)

103 There are aspects of 'Back to Blood' that ring true, but remember who was Wolfe's guide, a fired lefty Miami Herald reporter, with a Spitzer problem,
who brought about the removal of several of his colleagues, because they had the nerve of contributing to our local version of a Radio Free network, Meanwhile we have folks who have been identified as 'agents of influence' for the Cuban government, still writing columns.

Taking Captain's advice, I'm starting Middlemarch,

Posted by: phillip fry at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (ctjsq)

104 Speaking of pigs and war, any historical fiction writers ever cover the "Great San Juan Islands Pig War"? Occured in the San Juan Islands now mostly in Washington State but thre was some dispute at the time between the US and Canada over the exact boarder.

Posted by: Fredlike at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (ztMxN)

105 I want to buy a handgun for personal defense at my home. What should I buy? Any suggestions? I was leaning toward a revolver cause i dont want to deal with jamming when I need it to work, and if I need more than 5 or 6 shots in home defense im fucked anyway.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (++kZl)

---------->>>
From the way you frame the question, I assume you are a novice firearms owner. A semi-auto is not necessarily any less reliable than a revolver but a semi-auto pistol does require a bit more to think about (like are you strong enough to rack the slide?)
Frankly, I don't think you can go wrong with a .38 Special snubnose revolver. It is small enough to fairly easy concealed carry andpacks a decent punch in a small package. It's not the best cartridge out there but is generally adequate anddoes not have too much recoil for a novice. There are plenty of good brands out there: Taurus makes a decent one if you're on a budget.

One thing I would suggest is get some practice with a .22 first. You will build your markmanship skills and be less likely to develop bad habits (like flinching in anticipation of the recoil). Most indoor pistol ranges will have handguns you can rent. Since not all handguns will fit your hand the same way, that will let you sample some different firearms with a relatively small investment.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (nYHk7)

106 Prince Harry got himself a top commander taliban scalp.

We have to close the Hellfire and 30mm loophole.
Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (sqp6o)

He takes after his Daddy, Dianas Red Headed Bodyguard.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (3Y7RV)

107 Fucking supermarket is a fucking madhouse... 40 minutes to kickoff.

I have to waste six hours on a fuxking Obama voter today because of an accident of blood relation.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (CzBUP)

108 Reading Cary's translation of Dante's "Inferno", just not very rapidly!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 12:26 PM (Cnqmv)

109 I read "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter."I did not enjoy it as much as I thought I would and found myself skimming a bit.
Just for a hoot, I'm re-reading this Phyllis Whitney book from my youth, "The Winter People." It's one of those books that I remember very vividly for some reason. I actuallythink it would make afun, Gothic-y B movie if theyfilmed it as alate 60s period piece.
Hard to read this week with all the holiday prep, just on the train commute, pretty much.
I bought some drawing books for my son, and a book for my daughter by the person that does the webcomic "Homestuck" which she loves.
I bought "In Fifty Years We'll All Be Chicks" by Adam Carolla for Mr. Gem. Kind ofa light year for book gifts this year.

Posted by: Gem at December 23, 2012 12:26 PM (zw+pb)

110 Highly recommend "i2" by James Bannon-- his first novel available for the Kindle-- it's 5 bucks-- it's about a scientist who manages to have himself basically injected into a baby clone after his death-- it's riveting and well worth checking out-- you can even borrow it for free if you have Amazon Prime-- enjoy!

Posted by: tomc at December 23, 2012 12:26 PM (avEuh)

111 I started "the Name of the Rose" Umberto Eco last night but I'm just not highbrow enough to appreciate it. At 10% in I am just barely curious enough to keep going.

Posted by: Palerider at December 23, 2012 12:26 PM (FYUWS)

112 The Gun Digest "Book of the AR" series is ok. Really they have quite a few books that ought to be studied. They have a number of books on firearm assembly and disassembly, tho i usually prefer Youtube for that. Using Youtube tho is predicated on an internet that works and works freely, so a hard copy may very well be preeferable.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (XDC0v)

113 99 Prince Harry got himself a top commander taliban scalp.

We have to close the Hellfire and 30mm loophole.
Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:23 PM (sqp6o)






That boy would bring some needed backbone to old Albion.
If I were Prince Charles, I'd decline Mom's offer to go grouse hunting together.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (c2oll)

114 The Gun Digest Book of CCW by Massad Ayoob, the greatest expert in the country by far

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (XDC0v)

115 That boy would bring some needed backbone to old Albion.
If I were Prince Charles, I'd decline Mom's offer to go grouse hunting together.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (c2oll)

I just pray Kates Baby is a Girl and they name her Diana. That would break it off in the stogy ole creeps ass.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 12:28 PM (3Y7RV)

116 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:22 PM (HDgX3)


Yeah, about that AWB bill that Romney signed...


http://tinyurl.com/bws7kr6


Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:28 PM (sqp6o)

117 Reading Poul Anderson' High Crusade this week. This sentence jumped out: "Being unarmed, the enslaved natives had no hope of revolting against the relatively small number of alien masters."

Read one review lately that lamented so much juvenile sci fi is dystopian. Writers extrapolate from current trends. If people perceive and label the result to be dystopian, it would be nice if they would give more thought to what they are voting for in the present.

Posted by: throughtheravenglass at December 23, 2012 12:29 PM (Z0YZC)

118 what do we think of Taurus handguns? quality? No? your thoughts pleasewas looking at some Taurus revolvers the other day
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 11:55 AM (8sCoq)

--------->>>
I like their snubnose revolvers. I think they are a decent quality with a good fit and finish.

I don't have any experience with their semi-auto pistols.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at December 23, 2012 12:29 PM (nYHk7)

119 Just finished re-reading Steyn's "After America" this morning.

You know, because I wanted something light and cheerful.

Posted by: blue star at December 23, 2012 12:30 PM (rmdRH)

120 Citizen Anachronda, check link in name for early Christmas present ;-) (I'm editing as fast as I can!)

And on the reading front, read and thoroughly enjoyed Ringo's Last Centurion Kinda abrupt ending, wanted more, but very satisfying and may I say, pertinent to the times we live in.

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at December 23, 2012 12:31 PM (wfSF5)

121 A million thanks to Clayton Cramer and the others that debunked Bellesiles' piece of fiction.

Posted by: boniface ballers at December 23, 2012 12:32 PM (l3RZ9)

122 My favorite Royals story. Probably my only one. I don't much care for them.


Queen Elizabeth was riding with the Duke of Edinburough in the Welch countryside with only a couple of men to keep the safe in an emergency. They came upon another couple, riding in the other direction.

"I say," said the woman, "but you do bear a striking resemblance to the Queen and the Duke!"

Without missing a beat, Elizabeth responded dryly, "that's reassuring." And off they went.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 23, 2012 12:32 PM (CzBUP)

123 We tried the national conversation and got Obamaphone lady. Now lets try a national shut the fuck up and invoke the Antideficiency Act.

Posted by: Whatev at December 23, 2012 12:32 PM (2t6Gz)

124
Late mornign 'rons! Thanks for the book tips so far; I bought one of Sgt Mom's and put the two on the secrets from D-Day on my wishlist. On a pistol or revolver, buy what feels good to you and you will trust. Then practice. It should be like picking up any other tool you own and are familiar with. Be safe!

Posted by: Yip at December 23, 2012 12:32 PM (/jHWN)

125 Yeah, about that AWB bill that Romney signed...





http://tinyurl.com/bws7kr6







Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:28 PM (sqp6o)

________________
And here we go...jumping down into the weeds over this. The MFM's headlines would have been "ROMNEY, WHO SIGNED AWB NOW OPPOSES AWB BECAUSE OF TEA PARTY PRESSURE". Or some such shit.

So many of you don't get that perception is more important than reality. Maybe he signed an AWB, maybe he didn't technically. Doesn't matter. The perception is he did. And that's what matters.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:32 PM (HDgX3)

126 120 Citizen Anachronda, check link in name for early Christmas present ;-) (I'm editing as fast as I can!)

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Thanks!

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 12:33 PM (1c58W)

127 I read "Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter."I did not enjoy it as much as I thought I would and found myself skimming





Not as good as his previous "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies", which is hilarious. The first wedding proposal scene, where she tries to brain him with a fireplace poker is a favorite.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 12:33 PM (c2oll)

128 Now would be a very good time to start gathering gunsmithing and AR-type special tools. A VERY good time now that i think about it. Every phase of AR service can be done in someone's garage. And is.

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:34 PM (XDC0v)

129 Larry Corriea's superb gun control essay, linked here, led me back to re-reading the Monster Hunters books. Even better than I remembered,

Recently finished the latest Harry Dresden, Cold Days,. Highly recommended. I like the series so much that I'm paying release prices. Just can't wait for paperback.

Posted by: Splunge at December 23, 2012 12:34 PM (2IW5Q)

130 Basically off-thread now:
I read two books this last week, Orthodoxy by Chesterton, and Childhood's End, by Clarke.

The closest either of them come to tying into the gun theme is that Childhood's End reminded me of other apocalyptic books, especially Lucifer's Hammer.

Guns figure prominently in the book, empowering survivors to resist barbarism (or try) and fight for nuclear power. Chemical weapons also figure in. It's a good work, though very bleak.

Posted by: .87c at December 23, 2012 12:35 PM (d9SRO)

131 Most people who say the want a national conversation just want you to shut up while they lecture you

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:35 PM (XDC0v)

132 yep, what DAve said....

Posted by: Yip at December 23, 2012 12:36 PM (/jHWN)

133 All of them, DAve.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 23, 2012 12:37 PM (CzBUP)

134 127

IllTemperedCur

Second Pride and Prejudice and Zombies is the better work.

If you enjoy those type of books I recommend Peter Clines. His ex-heroes books are great, well paced an plotted. And 14 is even better.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2012 12:37 PM (G6kli)

135 From now on we should frame everything this way....

We don't want tax cuts. We want a national conversation on why taxes are so high.

We don't want spending cuts. We want a national conversation on why we're spending 100% more today than we did 10 years ago even though the population has grown by only 15%.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 12:37 PM (HDgX3)

136 129 You forgot the link, but you're very right. http://tinyurl.com/catntyr

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:37 PM (XDC0v)

137 >Queen Elizabeth was riding with the Duke of Edinburough in the Welch countryside



excuse me, that's 'Welsh'. Welch is a kind of jelly.


-Jones in CO, who is half-Welsh

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 12:39 PM (8sCoq)

138 129

Splunge

Cold Days is the Dresden pinnacle. Prior books always seemed geared toward a PG crowd. Cold Days is R.

Butcher can plot a story and pace it.

Try Peter Clines and Ian McDonald for similar quality.

And Jasper Fforde.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at December 23, 2012 12:40 PM (G6kli)

139 My theory of why Europeans accept gun control? They've been serfs so long they don't know any better. Plus its the way their lords have always liked it. Americans [real ones]refuse to be serfs

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at December 23, 2012 12:40 PM (buW6t)

140 New thread, ya bunchabook-readin' nerds

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:41 PM (XDC0v)

141 Thanks, ITC!
I have that on my library hold list and I was going to bounce it to make room for something else, but now I think I'll wait for it. Sounds like that one has a lot more humor in it. Er - ALVH wasn't supposed to be funny, was it?

Posted by: Gem at December 23, 2012 12:41 PM (zw+pb)

142 139 Yip

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:41 PM (XDC0v)

143 David Gregory breaking DC law on Meet the Press should be mentioned more than once.

Posted by: Spade at December 23, 2012 12:43 PM (wCBLv)

144 I started reading Pride and Prejudice and Zombies and thought the funniest part about it was the introduction to it. It's the sort of thing which is a funny concept, but after about ten pages of random zombie scenes being thrown into the text of Pride and Prejudice, it got a bit stale. Maybe I should have stuck it out.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at December 23, 2012 12:43 PM (6JU6C)

145
122My favorite Royals story. Probably my only one. I don't much care for them.


Here's mine. A famous American photographer was presented to the Queen, who said, "What an interesting coincidence. We have a brother-in-law who's a photographer."

The photographer replied, "That IS an interesting coincidence. I have a brother-in-law who's a queen."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 23, 2012 12:43 PM (4u2LN)

146 143 There oughta be outrage and a high-profile arrest

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:48 PM (XDC0v)

147
Somebody here turned me on to Eckert's The Frontiersmen.

THANK YOU

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 23, 2012 12:48 PM (MPjT8)

148 Man Faith Evans can sing. Without autotune

Posted by: DAve at December 23, 2012 12:49 PM (XDC0v)

149 Funny how Geothermal links to some BS from Ross Douchehat in two places on the front page.

Posted by: Gerry at December 23, 2012 12:50 PM (G75Lr)

150 Barry, if you want gun control, start with the Bloods and the Crips. Then we'll talk.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 23, 2012 12:50 PM (4u2LN)

151 Yes, there was an extensive effort to plant a large colony of German settlers in Texas in the 1840s

Said like it didn't succeed, it did.

Posted by: SouthTexas at December 23, 2012 12:50 PM (uhFbA)

152 David Gregory breaking DC law on Meet the Press should be mentioned more than once. Posted by: Spade

It deserves its own post post-haste.

If anyone in DC has some spare time, reporting the crime would go a long way in making DC a safer and sane place. Please, for the childrenz.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 23, 2012 12:50 PM (FaqTv)

153 I'm about a third through 'One of Our Thursdays is Missing' by Jasper Fforde. This is the latest in the Thursday Next series. Thursday Next is a cop who discovers the possibility of entering works of fiction to find worlds as fully detailed as the author thought to make them.

Such as weather. Unless the author specifically said what kind of day it was, there is no discernible weather. Just an empty sky with no sun or moon and nary breeze. Minor unnamed character are actually faceless.

In the first book Thursday believe her experiences in 'Jane Eyre' are fairly unique, with the reality within the book having been created by an invention of her scientist uncle. Yet the reason she enters the novel is to prevent the villain from altering the story and retroactively altering every copy in existence. (It soon becomes apparent that Thursday's world is not ours but is very similar. For instance, Thursday is a veteran of a Crimean War that continued for over a century and was her world's Vietnam.)

By the second book it becomes apparent that each book is a reality unto itself, although dependent on readership for its survival. It's somewhat like the interpretation of gods that fade away for lack of followers. Travel between these realities is easily done once you know how and a government with a police force exists to maintain order, such as keeping military stories from launching invasions to conquer chick lit outposts.

This volume is different in that the narrator is not Thursday Next. At least, not the Thursday Next. Instead, it is the woman holding the lead role of Thursday in the fictionalized version of her famous adventures. She has reason to believe the real Thursday has gone missing and sets out to investigate, despite being an actress by profession and having little of the skills and experience of the real Thursday Next.

If this sounds strange, it is. And only a tiny hint of cascade of strange ideas that erupt from Jasper Fforde's head. For example, Thursday's father doesn't exist and never did. He was a Time Cop who was believed to have gone rogue and was retroactively erased. Yet he continues to put in appearances and managed to father Thursday and her siblings. That is just one small subplot in the series.

Posted by: epobirs at December 23, 2012 12:50 PM (kcfmt)

154 136
129 You forgot the link, but you're very right. http://tinyurl.com/catntyr


Thanks. I didn't forget the link; by "linked here" I meant "linked from the HQ recently," but it would have been better to include a link.

138
129
Cold Days is the Dresden pinnacle. Prior books always seemed geared toward a PG crowd. Cold Days is R.


I see what you mean. I suspect it's driven more by the plot situation than by a deliberate shift in style, though.


Butcher can plot a story and pace it.



Try Peter Clines and Ian McDonald for similar quality.



And Jasper Fforde.


These names are all new to me. I will research them. Thank you for the tip.

Posted by: Splunge at December 23, 2012 12:53 PM (2IW5Q)

155 Tell SCoaMF all future meetings will be televised live or they won't happen. The balls in his mouth.

Posted by: Whatev at December 23, 2012 12:55 PM (2t6Gz)

156 Has this been linked? Good reminder:

http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=90514

Posted by: mare at December 23, 2012 12:57 PM (A98Xu)

157 I'll say this for the NRA. They never, ever say the following.

"This isn't the hill to die on."

For them, EVERYTHING is the hill to die on.

No retreat, no surrender.

And it sounds cheesy, but it works for them.

And I respect the ever lovin' hell out them for it.

Boehner? Right off the bat, that guy puts $800 billion in extra taxes on the table. Right. Off. The. Bat.

Fuck it.

I nominate Wayne LaPierre for Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Rollo Tomasi at December 23, 2012 12:59 PM (C+qQ0)

158 "I said it would have been interesting to see [Romney's] reaction to it given he signed into law an assault weapons ban as governor."

Personally, I was as depressed as anyone to see the SCOAMF re-elected.

But, I also said two things at the time.

First, that so much bad shit will happen shortly that victory this year was a poisoned chalice. Even Barky with his legendarily narcissistic self-regard is going to have many sobering moments where he wishes he were retired in Hawaii.

And second, that genuine conservatives would have been horribly disappointed with a Romney victory. It would look like Massachusetts. Technocratic tinkering around the edges of the welfare-warfare state. No willingness to confront, clinically describe or make fun of the foibles of Fedzilla, as Reagan so regularly did.

Plus, Romney would probably have signed an assault weapons ban had one been put on his desk. He did it before. The guy is a wet squish on that issue and always has been. (I can't be the only one who remembers Romney in the '08 primaries confidently talking up his "lifetime membership in the NRA" while the ink was still runny on the certificate.)

Posted by: torquewrench at December 23, 2012 12:59 PM (gqT4g)

159 120 Citizen Anachronda, check link in name for early Christmas present

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Gah! You're like Santa Claus with a bag full of frustration!

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 12:59 PM (1c58W)

160 Sharp elbow thread up

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:03 PM (53z96)

161 137 - excuse me, that's 'Welsh'. Welch is a kind of jelly.


Have you read Robert Graves' Goodby To All That, about his WWI service? He was in the Royal Welch Fusiliers, and mentioned that the regiment made a point of spelling it that way. He did not say why, though.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 23, 2012 01:04 PM (HoGA+)

162 >>>>excuse me, that's 'Welsh'. Welch is a kind of jelly.<<<<<

Or a Fusilier.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Welch_Fusiliers

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 23, 2012 01:05 PM (KAWvv)

163 Steve beat me....

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 23, 2012 01:06 PM (KAWvv)

164 105
I want to buy a handgun for personal defense at my home. What should I
buy? Any suggestions? I was leaning toward a revolver cause i dont want
to deal with jamming when I need it to work, and if I need more than 5
or 6 shots in home defense im fucked anyway.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (++kZl)


Retired Buckeye Cop at December 23, 2012 12:25 PM (nYHk7)

******

Everything RBC said is sound advice. However, if he offers to give you any coaching at the range, remember, at no time should both his hands be on your shoulders as he coaches you from behind.

Just sayin'. It's a range safety thing.

But seriously, his advice is spot on.

Posted by: Rollo Tomasi at December 23, 2012 01:06 PM (C+qQ0)

165 Every tragedy involving a gun is suddenly the time to have a national "debate" on disarming good citizens and destroying our constitutional freedoms.

A tragedy for the left, is a time to evoke emotion based talking points, while holding dead children up as a human shield from reasoned conservative logic.

The sickness is that so many find these fascist ideals rational, and find using dead children for THEIR politics reasonable.

Posted by: Illini Bill at December 23, 2012 01:10 PM (TacX2)

166 Yes, there was an extensive effort to plant a large colony of German settlers in Texas in the 1840s

I'm from a little place outside of New Braunfels, so I grew up thinking everyone celebrated Oktoberfest. My grandmother didn't speak English until she went to school in 1st grade.

There would be more of places like it today around South and Central Texas, except there was an effort to strip the German names off of towns and neighborhoods and Anglicize everything in the wake of WWI. Ethnic prejudice and xenophobia hasn't always been limited to blacks and Hispanics, although Hollywood and the Left may try to convince you otherwise.

Posted by: Phinn at December 23, 2012 01:14 PM (L5yyj)

167
-Jones in CO, who is half-Welsh
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 23, 2012 12:39 PM (8sCoq)






Tell me, at y'all still allergic to vowels?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 01:21 PM (c2oll)

168 One of the reasons I got this smarter-than-me phone was so I could get ebooks on it. I have the Kindle app. How do I download books written by roonz and roonettez, is there a trick to it?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 01:24 PM (yh0zB)

169 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 01:24 PM (yh0zB)


Amazon has a Kindle app for androids. Download that and use it to download e-books for the Kindle.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:27 PM (53z96)

170 Here is the app

http://is.gd/aSnixM

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:29 PM (53z96)

171 Oops you already have the app.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:31 PM (53z96)

172 I asked wifey, she says it is easier to download via the computer and it gives her a choice of what to download to Kindle or Android.

Her android (Samsung) came with a Kindle app that talked to Amazon to let it know the address.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:34 PM (53z96)

173 I have the android as well, I'm wondering if I can download a book to the computer and then transfer it or if there is a reason I can't do that. Anti piracy software or something.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 01:36 PM (yh0zB)

174 168 One of the reasons I got this smarter-than-me phone was so I could get ebooks on it. I have the Kindle app. How do I download books written by roonz and roonettez, is there a trick to it?

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It needs to be attached to your Amazon account; there's a setting for that somewhere. Then, when you buy an ebook over atamaxon.com, you get a little "deliver to my..." drop down thingie. You can use that to select your droid. Or, you can go into the library on the kindle app (by selecting the Archive at the top of the library screen) and pick individual books to download to the device.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 01:38 PM (1c58W)

175 I have the android as well, I'm wondering if I can
download a book to the computer and then transfer it or if there is a
reason I can't do that. Anti piracy software or something.


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 01:36 PM (yh0zB)

If it has DRM you will not be able to do it, but you can have the computer tell Amazon to send it to your android and not the computer.

If it doesn't have DRM then you can move it about at will. e-books from Baen have no DRM. Some of the Daw and Tor books have no DRM.
Books you download from Guttenberg have no DRM.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 01:40 PM (53z96)

176 173 I have the android as well, I'm wondering if I can download a book to the computer and then transfer it or if there is a reason I can't do that. Anti piracy software or something.

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All the ebooks you've bought from Amazon are available on the cloud, so you don't normally need to do that; you can go into the library on the device and pick books to downloaf.

For things that you bought elsewhere, there's an email address to which you can send documents for each device; these are listed in the "manage your kindle" page on amazon, which you can find at the bottom of amazon's page. Sending a document to that address delivers it to the device and stores it in the cloud, so you can select it on other devices and download it.

It is possible to sideload documents to a kindle reader or the PC app, but I don't know if there's a way to do it for a droid. In that case, the document is *not* in the loud, so you'll need to sideload it to any device on which you want to read it.

But, yeah, stuff you buy from amaon is generally copy protected. If you don't trust the cloud, Calibre is your friend.

And, for the record, this stupid on-screen keyboard on the ipad sucks. It's slow and error-prone, but at least I've figured out how to turn off autocorrect.


Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 01:51 PM (1c58W)

177 Grrr. Downloaf, indeed. I hate you, zombie Steve Jobs!

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 01:53 PM (1c58W)

178 GGE, BTW, Baen has a large selection of free books

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 02:11 PM (53z96)

179 tomc, thanks for the i2 recommendation. Downloaded it for my son and husband.

Posted by: NCKate at December 23, 2012 02:18 PM (4zFn7)

180
The word "conversation" went out the window for me years ago when Hillary Clinton described her relationship with Bill Clinton as a conversation that began when they met.

Fellow citizens, if what Bill and Hillary have is a "conversation" and not an arrangement, and Bill wants a reset on the verb "to be" from time to time, then we have (another)insight on their Progressive minds and have again had the basis of their public and private duplicity displayed.

Posted by: DM at December 23, 2012 02:21 PM (LaKlJ)

181
Conversation goes like this:
You want to take my guns away?
You can't have them.
End of conversation.

Posted by: Bullmoose338 at December 23, 2012 02:33 PM (VNjfg)

182 What a frikkin nightmare. So I wanted to download Firehearted, I knew I had Kindle on the phone so I bought the Kindle copy. The stupid phone couldn't open it. SO I downloaded it on my computer so I would have it, then I bought the epub version. My stupid phone couldn't open it. So I went online and asked HTF do you do this.

Apparently only Amazon books are immediately available on the phone but only if you buy them from Amazon using your phone. However there is a work around.

Here's how you do it Android users: connect the phone as a media device to your computer, open the android files and find the Kindle folder, drag and drop the kindle version of the book from your computer to the Kindle folder on your phone. Now you can open it in the kindle app.

So I now have an epub version of the book in addition to the kindle version. Maybe I can get an ereader program for my computer, but for the time being I'm glad they still make paper books.

Now I'm off to find Christopher Taylor's books to download. I have a feeling I'll be spending lots of money in the near future.

Vic, I was aware of Baens offerings, and now they are available through Amazon I think.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 02:40 PM (yh0zB)

183 Nice numbers for the suffix, Mr. Moose. It's like a multiple choice question that is fun to answer. Maybe even "E. All the above."

Posted by: DM at December 23, 2012 02:41 PM (LaKlJ)

184 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 02:40 PM (yh0zB)


You should be able to copy any DRM free ebook to the Kindle folder on your android directly using the computer.


That is how I get the Kindle version from Baen to my Kindle. I never go through Amazon at all.

Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 02:46 PM (53z96)

185 Vic, I was aware of Baens offerings, and now they are available through Amazon I think.

It's been a while since I checked but Baen's prices at their site were better than Amazon's for the same books.

Posted by: Retread at December 23, 2012 02:48 PM (zxitI)

186 You should be able to copy any DRM free ebook to the Kindle folder on your android directly using the computer.


Posted by: Vic at December 23, 2012 02:46 PM (53z96)


Yes, you just have to plug it into your computer and drop it into the phone's Kindle folder. If you download it directly into the phone it has to be through Amazon or it won't open.

Of course my boy now has my phone, talking to his little girly friend, which is why I got my stupidphone in the first place, so he could have the old flip phone...but he won't get it till Christmas morn. I'm going to make him call her first thing so she has his number instead of mine.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 02:53 PM (yh0zB)

187 It looks like a Canadian moron has some e-books for sale too. (See the sock.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 23, 2012 02:59 PM (jPVBi)

188 "Is anyone else actually reading any books this week?"

Finished G.K. Chesterton's "The Man Who Knew Too Much". I thought it was going to bethe basis for the Hitchcock movie, but instead is a series of short stories with nothing to do with the movies. There was a lot of stuff about "Jewishfinancier's" draggingEngland into a war as well as a lot of pro-socialism (but not government socialists, interestingly enough) that I didn't see in the Father Brown series. I's need to check wiki, but I *really* hope these stories were written before the Father Brown ones and that those things were things Chesterton grew out of.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 23, 2012 03:16 PM (wbeNt)

189 DAMN YOU ANDYCANUCK!!! (downloads)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 03:22 PM (yh0zB)

190 182
What a frikkin nightmare. So I wanted to download Firehearted, I knew I
had Kindle on the phone so I bought the Kindle copy. The stupid phone
couldn't open it.


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Well, that's odd. I just downloaded Firehearted onto my Android tablet in the Kindle by going to the archive and downloading it. Worked just fine. I bought it before I even had this tablet.

Did you buy it from Amazon?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 03:28 PM (1c58W)

191 Did you buy it from Amazon?


Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 23, 2012 03:28 PM (1c58W)


No I did not, which is why I had the problem. If I had downloaded through Amazon it would have gone in right away.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 03:29 PM (yh0zB)

192 a-HA! So that's who was in my online store! GGE, I can refund yaz if you like for the one you didn't use. And thanks!

Posted by: Sabrina Chase at December 23, 2012 03:35 PM (wfSF5)

193 a-HA! So that's who was in my online store! GGE, I can refund yaz if you like for the one you didn't use. And thanks!


Posted by: Sabrina Chase at December 23, 2012 03:35 PM (wfSF5)


Thanks, but I've already downloaded it on to my laptop.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 03:39 PM (yh0zB)

194 and firefox has an ereader add-on...I'm all set.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 04:11 PM (yh0zB)

195 Hello!

About the "Arming America" book -- I'm wondering if that's the book I heard some liberals discussing. Does anyone here know if the author makes the observation that, when armed, he used to go to dangerous places, inviting catastrophe, that he would have avoided if he weren't armed? That was one of his arguments against carrying weapons -- that it encourages people to take stupid risks.

I think his story mostly gives evidence of his lack of common sense and provides a reason to question the validity of his opinions.

I know that if I had a gun, I would especially avoid dangerous places because I wouldn't want to put myself in the position of needing to shoot someone.

Posted by: Mindy at December 23, 2012 04:38 PM (3pGXY)

196 OTOH, if enough non-criminals with guns hung out there, it wouldn't be a dangerous place anymore. At least, not after a brief very dangerous period.

Posted by: epobirs at December 23, 2012 04:48 PM (kcfmt)

197 Good point, epobirs.

Posted by: Mindy at December 23, 2012 05:30 PM (3pGXY)

198 About weapons in the hands of the citizenry as a bulwark of liberty, something nowadays scoffed at--I am reading Levy's Origin of the Bill of Rights, which has been in the Ready Reserve locker for many years now, waiting for a spare moment. I am thoroughly enjoying it. But I should think, after the example shown by Vietnam and Iraq, as well as the fact that we are functionally about to be ran out of Afghanistan by the Taliban, that the idea of a populace armed with small arms only will automatically crumple before the might of the United States Army is not a belief backed up by reality.

What I am in favor of is military-grade weapons held by those interested in doing so and who are responsible members of town and county based organizations, who might also do things such as disaster relief work, but who normally don't do mch of anything. There is a word for this, a historic one, and that is not the National Guard, because people should be able to be citizen-owners of their communties without being subject to military law and service contracts. I think society as a whoe would be better off.

If you are dead set against a new reinvigorated, non-National Guard militia, independent of the constabulary, that for most of the time would not do much of anything, but would serve as a local manpower mobilization tool in times of distress, and would cement the idea of the responsibe middle-class yeomanry, not the government, not the police, as the ultimate owners of their communities (though with the appropriate nods to expertise when it is found), then what you are really saying is that you will not in general trust the people, ever, but only government professionals. Which makes me wonder what kind of government you would set up if you had free reign.

And if you think Little Leagues should be government or association-ran.

Posted by: T. at December 23, 2012 09:05 PM (8/plg)

199 Eric Holder wanted to have a national conversation on race. So he walked thousands of guns to Mexico and they have the equivalent of a dozen Sandy Hooks.

Do I want a conversation with his boss? The guy who won when his opponent's sealed divorce record was mysteriously released into the wild? The mad drone bomber of the Pakistani skies?

I want him in Hawaii if it can't be further away from me and mine. I'd feel safe if he was the first man on Mars without fuel for the return trip and a dead radio. He's talking, that's why the TV has an off button.

Posted by: MarkD at December 24, 2012 09:29 AM (+xUiW)

200 "acting President" heh heh.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 24, 2012 11:17 AM (7ObY1)

201 That's a great job with that photo of the Obama's at the Inauguration Parade. As a Washingtonian, I'd like to point out that they actually have an arsenal on their left. That's the J. Edgar Hoover Building, FBI HQ.


Posted by: Thomas M. at December 24, 2012 12:43 PM (e9Ivb)

202 FTR, I read all three of Sabrina Chase's Sequoya books and really enjoyed them. If you're looking for a Kindle book to read, get hers.

Posted by: Dodd at December 24, 2012 01:43 PM (KmoFg)






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