Guns & Hunting Thread (12-23-2012)

Thoughts On the NRA's Statement

For as long as I can remember, the NRA's slogan has been, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people". Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in here, and I think it was very shortsighted, as was calling for a federal program to put security guards in schools.

If schools want security guards, they can hire them now. Federalizing this and making it mandatory, which appears to be the NRA's position, really is a solution in search of a problem.

As I said earlier this week, and as author Larry Correia pointed out in his excellent and now 10x-linked-at-the-HQ blog post, the policy change we need is simple: put an end to schools as "gun-free zones" ... either through hiring security guards or allowing concealed carry ... and this problem fixes itself.

Beware Of Laws Made In Haste

I had this piece in the queue before the shootings in Newtown, but is seems even more relevant now.

New York Democratic Rep. Steve Israel is calling for legislation to renew the federal ban on plastic guns, according to his official congressional website.

“Recent reports have pointed to the new possibility of building guns at home using a 3-D printer,” Israel’s website states. “Right now, plastic guns are illegal under the Undetectable Firearms Act, but this law is set to expire next year.”

Umm, yeah. As the article points out, these "plastic guns" don't exist and have some serious technical hurdles to overcome with ammunition to be completely undetectable. So let's ban them!

They said the same thing when the ZOMFG!!11! PLASTIC GUN!! Glock was first introduced, even though that thing has more steel in it than an S&W Chief's Special.

Second only to the average congressman in ignorance about guns is, of course, the media.

Marksmanship Award


Concealed Carry Tip For the 'Ettes

Via Jake in Idaho comes this helpful video on concealed carry in a dress.

Christmas Hunting Traditions

When I was growing up, Christmas day always involved guns and hunting. In the perfect scenario, I'd wake to find Santa had left a long, skinny box under the tree. Green and red were the colors of the season ... green meant Remington and red meant Ruger or Winchester.

Then in the afternoon, after we were done with presents and lunch, we'd take to the field. Most of the time it was in pursuit of small game like squirrels, quail or the like since by then the deer tags had long been filled, but it was a great tradition that, unfortunately, I wasn't able to replicate with my kids.

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Comments

1 Hot chick showing concealed carry options with different outfits. It's better than it sounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogGBPVk5GQk

Posted by: justin at December 23, 2012 10:21 AM (tclnS)

2 The AK-47 gave the English a critical advantage at Agincourt since the French only had flintlocks and Nerf weapons.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 23, 2012 10:27 AM (ruNkw)

3 I think, like the collapse of the Soviet Union, really strict gun control and enforcement is coming faster than "we" ever thought possible.

After all, comrade, when a Star Chamber has been approved by the House and Senate (as a necessary tool in the arsenal of what is becoming a pseudo-european democracy), is it not but a short step to disarming recalcitrant and unreasonable citizens?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:29 AM (Cnqmv)

4 Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in here, and I think it was very shortsighted, as was calling for a federal program to put security guards in schools.

^This. Especially the latter. We do not want the Feds having any more excuses to expand their control of schools. It was really lousy of the NRA to go that route.

Why not have the NRA offer to provide free weapons-training for school districts or volunteer security folks or something? It irritates the shit out of me when a large, well-funded private org like the NRA starts calling for Congress to spend my tax money.

Of course, it's all moot. Anything the NRA said would have been distorted and mocked.

Do we even know if Lanza's mom was a member of the NRA btw?

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:29 AM (5H6zj)

5 Federal security at public schools is a great idea. Just think of all the opportunities for groping and feel-ups that the TSA would get in a high school full of attractive co-eds.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 23, 2012 10:31 AM (ruNkw)

6 Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in here, and I think it was very shortsighted

For all the posts and commenters who were pointing out the mfm's glorification of these nutjob shooters with their wall to wall coverage,its amazing how many here lose their shit when the head of the NRA goes and does something similar. He did a redirect at the media, and its not a statement made for us. Blaming hollywood and video games is as ridiculous to us as blaming guns, and that is what needs to get out there from his message.

Posted by: buzzion at December 23, 2012 10:32 AM (GULKT)

7 Trains!!!

Oh wait, wrong thread. Guns!!! Those are bad, right Barry?

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 23, 2012 10:33 AM (69Mdf)

8 i was ok with them hurling blame at hollywood and video games i don't think the nra actually believes it and i think their message was a big f-you at the left......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 23, 2012 10:34 AM (GVxQo)

9 This rabid anti-gun atmosphere lately is interesting, but only to the media and the leftists.

I don't really care what they do. I'm not giving up my guns. I'm not alone.

Posted by: trainer @ Home at December 23, 2012 10:34 AM (1QEkm)

10 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 23, 2012 10:31 AM (ruNkw)

What could possibly go wrong with yet another federal intrusion into the "local" school system? I am sure one of their "powers" would be to monitor any teachers teaching actual American History or mentioning the roots of the 2nd Amendment, and forwarding their names, photos, and addresses to the TSA, BATFE, DHS, and DoJ!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:34 AM (Cnqmv)

11 Odoacer equipping his Germanic hordes with AK-47s was a also a key reason Rome finally fell in 476.

Constantine saw it coming in the early 300s and moved the seat of power to Turkey in response to roving gangs of Glock-carrying youths harassing the locals.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 23, 2012 10:35 AM (bS6uW)

12 LaPierre on Meet the Press completely made a buffoon of himself. First he lets himself get backed into a corner about, "I'd do anything that would reduce the level of violence in the country." Then they hold up the 30 shot magazine Lanza 'supposedly' used (though as I understand it, he fired most with a handgun). And they say, "He used this, can't we go back to a 5, or even 10 shot magazine?"

LaPierre can't point out that shooters carry more than one gun. He simply mutters 20 times, "I don't think that makes a difference." He manages to say Columbine happened during the Brady ban. But doesn't say WHY it made a difference.

Here's my suggestion, since I prefer Gun Owners of America for defending gun rights to the NRA anyway (their incumbency preference protects too many Dimms over real 2nd Amendment advocates). Larry Correia for President of GOA. Get someone who actually can TALK about guns in the position instead of simple platitudes.

Posted by: Shawn at December 23, 2012 10:35 AM (/lltO)

13 The Gun Owners of America link leads to a 404 page.

Posted by: joncelli at December 23, 2012 10:36 AM (CWlPF)

14
Hot chicks with guns should be a regular part of this thread. Never point a loaded elbow.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 23, 2012 10:36 AM (69Mdf)

15 Hilarious Journolisters guide to firearms, btw ... sad but true ....

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 23, 2012 10:37 AM (bS6uW)

16 >>Then they hold up the 30 shot magazine Lanza 'supposedly' used (though as I understand it, he fired most with a handgun).

That was the initial report but it was wrong. Med examiner said all were shot with the rifle.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:37 AM (5H6zj)

17 If only the NRA had suggested that any movie, video game, or TV show that used or mentioned a gun be "taxed" for inciting violence, we would have solved the fiscal cliff problem!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:37 AM (Cnqmv)

18 That was the initial report but it was wrong. Med examiner said all were shot with the rifle.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:37 AM (5H6zj)

Ah yes, the media reporting is never wrong and has no agenda!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:39 AM (Cnqmv)

19 I think there are some parallels between LaPierre's week and Boehner's. Both were in a no-win situation. Both suggested remedies that were less than conservative. Both faced a biased media. But LaPierre is being cut a lot more slack from the base.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:39 AM (5H6zj)

20 Y-not, I think I was out of line there--oops!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:40 AM (Cnqmv)

21 >>Ah yes, the media reporting is never wrong and has no agenda!

Initially they reported that the rifle was in the car. I think the assumption they leapt to was that he was buzzed in and that would not be able to happen if he was carrying a rifle.

But within a day or two the report came that he used the rifle rather than the hand guns.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:40 AM (5H6zj)

22 >> The Gun Owners of America link leads to a 404 page.

Try it now. If it still doesn't work, I'll drop it back to just linking their main page.

Posted by: Andy at December 23, 2012 10:41 AM (OZPoa)

23 That's ok Hrothgar. I was suspicious when the Med Examiner first came out with the rifle thing, too. But I think it was just that the initial reports were terrible.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:41 AM (5H6zj)

24 But LaPierre is being cut a lot more slack from the base.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:39 AM (5H6zj)

I think that is because LaPierre is considered to be more honest and in tune with his "base" than Boehner.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:41 AM (Cnqmv)

25 Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:41 AM (5H6zj)

I would like to think that a Medical Examiner was a seeker of truth, but I no longer trust ANY public official on any topic related (no matter how indirectly) to the rights of citizens.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 10:43 AM (Cnqmv)

26 I think that is because LaPierre is considered to be more honest and in tune with his "base" than Boehner.
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Yeah, I understand that.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:44 AM (5H6zj)

27 While I can admire LaPierre's big fuck you to the MFM and Hollywood, he's going about it the wrong way. Obama didn't come out and say I want all your guns. He said we need a conversation. That's what the NRA should be saying as well. We need to study. We need a conversation. We need to look at mental issues, Hollywood, video games, etc. Talk nicely and with a smile while holding up your middle finger. That's how you play this shit. Can't our side EVER learn a thing from the left?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 10:45 AM (HDgX3)

28 How about the kid was batshit crazy and should have been instutionalized.

Had there been competent force at the school to protect the children fewer if any at all would have died.

To force a teacher to give her life for her students while hiding them is the stuff of legend, it why we build statues celibrating people. But I'm sure if that teacher had her druthers she would still be teaching.

I put the inability of of parents to understand or act on the fact their child is a danger, right of there with their inability to have drivers licence taken away from elderly parents. I'll bet more eldery drivers have killed more people that batshit crazy shooters.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 10:46 AM (3Y7RV)

29 I belong to the GOA and until very recently, the NRA (I quit when they backed Harry Reid for the Senate)
I strongly support Larry Pratt but he needs to up his game, web-wise.
I'm sure their traffic has greatly increased.

The NRA especially the ILA part, is really a lobbying group and therefore their solutions tend to be legislative and proactive - ie, new laws.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 10:46 AM (lD8ju)

30 Yeah the NRA does make some stupid endorsements. US Chamber of Commerce does as well.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:47 AM (5H6zj)

31 Your chart is missing the AK-15.

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 10:48 AM (sdi6R)

32 Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:47 AM (5H6zj)

I'm afraid the calling of riches has corrupted the NRA. They focus on credit cards and other money making schemes and activities. They are getting as bad as the AARP.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 10:49 AM (3Y7RV)

33 Your chart is missing the AK-15.
Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 10:48 AM (sdi6R)

And the AR-47 Machine gun.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 10:50 AM (3Y7RV)

34 I don't see a 22mm pistol, either.

That was from an actual news report that I remember.

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 10:52 AM (sdi6R)

35 We will be fortunate to get out of this with just an assault weapons ban or a ban on high-cap magazines. The House GOP will cave on something just to make the issue go away. The best they can do is to put a 10-year sunset rule on any ban that passes, just like with the previous assault weapons ban.

Posted by: joncelli at December 23, 2012 10:52 AM (CWlPF)

36 I'm afraid the calling of riches has corrupted the NRA.
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Could be. I'm joining anyway.

It's a little frustrating to me - and surprising - that their gun programs are not as widely available near me. I am going to learn clay shooting with my husband, but the soonest shotgun safety course from the NRA is in March and two hours away.

Fortunately, I found a local range that will help us get started in the meantime, but I really would like a thorough safety/maintenance/usage course before we get too heavily involved. I did not grow up with guns so I am a little intimidated by them. Want to turn fear into respect.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

37 Yippee!!! My magazines arrived. Time to fill em wif amo

Posted by: Jose Biden at December 23, 2012 10:53 AM (ygAxO)

38 Boner is less popular than Bella Pelosi.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 10:55 AM (NIZHJ)

39 Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 10:52 AM (5H6zj)

No No No Y. If you want to learn to shoot. Go to Appleseed. If you are a complete novice OK, good Idea. But if you can already shoot, Appleseed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 10:55 AM (3Y7RV)

40 Has anyone cornered one of these gun grabber jackasses in Congress on camera and asked them why their lives are more important than kids lives? Considering that they all have armed security and many have CCWs of their own (DiFi, I'm looking at you, bitch).

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 10:56 AM (c2oll)

41 I don't see a 22mm pistol, either.

That was from an actual news report that I remember.


Yeah I saw that. IIRC Bob Owens sent it around on Twitter not long ago.

Posted by: Andy at December 23, 2012 10:56 AM (OZPoa)

42 Re the picture of the father and son hunting: Today's urban hipsters would be much more interested in the dad's cool hat , jacket and boots.

Posted by: Tuna at December 23, 2012 10:57 AM (M/TDA)

43 A 22 millimeter seems kind of big. I don't do unwashed barbarian measurements though.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 10:58 AM (NIZHJ)

44
Either all of you will roll over for the gun grabbers or you won't.


So what will it be for for the people posting here?

Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2012 10:59 AM (SAMxH)

45 mmmmmm....wabbit!

Posted by: BignJames at December 23, 2012 11:00 AM (Sg0G/)

46 or maybe....dog!

Posted by: BignJames at December 23, 2012 11:01 AM (Sg0G/)

47 Re: the English at Agincourt

If I recall correctly, the English AK-47's were made of Yew, cementing their superiority over the French, who merely had "Saturday Night Specials."

Posted by: Expert Reporter at December 23, 2012 11:01 AM (l3vZN)

48 Either all of you will roll over for the gun grabbers or you won't. So what will it be for for the people posting here?

I will enforce the Constitution.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:02 AM (yiIja)

49 44...NO...'N'...'O'...NO.

Posted by: billygoat at December 23, 2012 11:02 AM (6DDE+)

50 f you are a complete novice OK, good Idea. But if you can already shoot, Appleseed.
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I've only been to a range once with a friend when we lived in Texas. Had a chance to try skeet and really enjoyed it.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:02 AM (5H6zj)

51 41 I don't see a 22mm pistol, either.

That was from an actual news report that I remember.

Yeah I saw that. IIRC Bob Owens sent it around on Twitter not long ago.


There's probably been more than one news report like that. The one I remember was from a few years ago, and it prompted a blog commenter to say, "That guy must have had arms like Popeye."

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 11:02 AM (sdi6R)

52 I've come to the realization that they are bound and determined to get us unarmed. Weather it blue helmets, or out right commies sent to pacify our people. It's gona happen. My fear is I will be too old to do much about it one it goes down. Someone had a Patton quote about holding a fixed position. I wish I had copped it down. Bastages...

Posted by: Paladin at December 23, 2012 11:03 AM (lpxIE)

53 47
Lololololololol

Posted by: Tuna at December 23, 2012 11:03 AM (M/TDA)

54 I don't blame the NRA for this
They cannot ban semi autos in any case

There are tens and tens of millions of expensive and well maintained semi auto pistols out there and that is what most serious gunowners have.
I've owned large bore mag revolvers and didnt like them.
They kick like a bitch.

I don't hunt and never care to. I love Bambi and hug trees.
But I shoot with semi autos, like most people.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:04 AM (lD8ju)

55 I've found the Appleseed website and will bookmark it for future reference.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:04 AM (5H6zj)

56 OK, that's cool, fun shooting. However. In the event of scietal breakdown, you'll want to have a riflemans qual. They will make you a very dangerous woman.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:04 AM (3Y7RV)

57 ...and my Ruger 10-22/AR variant (I have it equipped with a 30 round magazine) was also missing from the diagram.

Posted by: billygoat at December 23, 2012 11:05 AM (6DDE+)

58 52 I've come to the realization that they are bound and determined to get us unarmed. Weather it blue helmets, or out right commies sent to pacify our people.
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I have to say I was alarmed by the UN observers poking their beaks in our election. I'm surprised and disappointed that more hew and cry wasn't raised about that. It was a really bad precedent.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:05 AM (5H6zj)

59 Trek marathon still on SyFy.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 23, 2012 11:05 AM (bS6uW)

60 One ironic thing about LaPierre's video game rant is that the video game generation is driving a big part of the nationwide embrace of Evil Black Rifles. The gun blogs have been calling it the Call Of Duty Effect for a couple of years now. The twentysomethings buying EBRs aren't buying them because they used them in the military (most will never wear a uniform). They're buying them in part because they used them in some of their favorite video games.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 11:05 AM (c2oll)

61 I've owned large bore mag revolvers and didnt like them.
They kick like a bitch.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:04 AM (lD8ju)


Tried ported barrels?

Posted by: BignJames at December 23, 2012 11:06 AM (Sg0G/)

62 I have to say I was alarmed by the UN observers poking their beaks in our election. I'm surprised and disappointed that more hew and cry wasn't raised about that. It was a really bad precedent.
Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:05 AM (5H6zj)

Yep, we should have sent them home in boxes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:06 AM (3Y7RV)

63 Well, FWIW, I once applied for a position with Red Eye Arms, the folks who wanted to make the ceramic weapons. Didn't get it, but it sure would've been cool.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 23, 2012 11:06 AM (yiIja)

64 We always went shooting with Dad in the snow in the woods. Ptarmigan, mostly, because they are so tasty. When my brother was 7 years old, he made a clean head shot with a .22 single action bolt. When he went home to show Mom, he was upset because he said he was aiming for its belly. I don't think we ever laughed so long or hard.



Of course, hunting in the Lower 48 is mired in nonsense, but in Alaska one can still bring home dinner without the neighbors getting up in your face.

Posted by: tcn at December 23, 2012 11:07 AM (VLG62)

65 35
We will be fortunate to get out of this with just an assault weapons ban
or a ban on high-cap magazines. The House GOP will cave on something
just to make the issue go away. The best they can do is to put a 10-year
sunset rule on any ban that passes, just like with the previous assault
weapons ban.


Posted by: joncelli at December 23, 2012 10:52 AM (CWlPF)

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I agree. But has DiFi (Ms. I have a CCW) defined what that is? The way the media is talking, anything more than a shotgun is an assault weapon.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 11:08 AM (HDgX3)

66 58
I have to say I was alarmed by the UN observers poking their beaks in our election. I'm surprised and disappointed that more hew and cry wasn't raised about that. It was a really bad precedent.


The funny part is that they were horrified by our lack of voter ID procedures.

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 11:08 AM (sdi6R)

67 But still, don't most stolen guns start out as a legal purchase? Adam Lanza was neither a gun owner, nor was he a member of the NRA.

There still is a greater connection between the First Amendment rights (which is an absurdity all it's own) having a responsibility for this shooting than there was a connection to the Second Amendment rights of the shooter. NOTHING ADAM LANZA DID WAS PROTECTED BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT. The second amendment didn't facilitate his access or his motive.

Adam Lanza could have just as easily murdered his next door neighbor and stolen his neighbors guns. Or he could have also stolen his neighbors car and decided to run down people waiting at a bus stop. But would we be having a conversation about Car Ownership right now if that was the case?

No, this IS a first amendment issue. Let's get it out in the open. Let's ask WHY HOLLYWOOD should be allowed to glorify the very guns that the Hollywood 'Elite' believes is so evil.

Posted by: gastorgrab at December 23, 2012 11:08 AM (FX38i)

68 Someone should market pink assault rifles. Then Piers Morgan and the tight dungaree mafia would all want one.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (NIZHJ)

69 68
Someone should market pink assault rifles. Then Piers Morgan and the tight dungaree mafia would all want one.


Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (NIZHJ)


Hell, I'd want one.

Posted by: tcn at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (VLG62)

70 "Three Godfathers" is on TCM today. Love that movie! John Wayne, Harry Carey, Jr., Ward Bond, Jane Darwell, Guy Kibbee... What a cast

Also, this evening it's "The Bishops's Wife". Loretta Young at her most beautiful, Cary Grant, David Niven. The old Christmas movies are still the best.

Posted by: Tuna at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (M/TDA)

71 Cool reading this thread with fifteen turkeys strutting around outside the window.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 23, 2012 11:10 AM (l3vZN)

72 The only advantage I can see to being an NRA member is most gun ranges require it for their members. That's about it.

I am a member of my state organization (Grass Roots North Carolina) because I think they do a much better job. All politics is local, after all.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:10 AM (yh0zB)

73 >>The funny part is that they were horrified by our lack of voter ID procedures.

Yeah. Why didn't we hear anything more about that? I saw one report but I never saw the conservative media pick that up and run with it.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:10 AM (5H6zj)

74 Posted by: gastorgrab at December 23, 2012 11:08 AM (FX38i)

He could've used a gallon of gasoline.

Posted by: BignJames at December 23, 2012 11:11 AM (Sg0G/)

75 71 Cool reading this thread with fifteen turkeys strutting around outside the window.

Well, get busy. That Christmas dinner ain't gonna make itself.

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 11:11 AM (sdi6R)

76 71 Cool reading this thread with fifteen turkeys strutting around outside the window.
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Foolish turkeys!

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:11 AM (5H6zj)

77 "As the article points out, these "plastic guns" don't exist and have some serious technical hurdles to overcome with ammunition to be completely undetectable. So let's ban them!"

This is just par for the course. Same with calls to ban .50 caliber rifles, a firearm that had never been used in the commission of a crime. (The federal ban failed, but many states passed their own.) Gun banners just gotta ban guns, it doesn't matter how stupid the reason. I don't know what they get out of it, the number of constituents that want stupid bans can't be as big as the number that will vote for anyone other than a gun banner. Just can't stand the idea of someone who doesn't need the government, I guess.

Posted by: Socratease at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (DRPrm)

78 http://tinyurl.com/cuog9au

Pink assualt rifles?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (3Y7RV)

79 Some of the saboteurs of the Fourth Reich who were interfering in our elections were Swiss. I thought they were supposed to be neutral. Not even sure they are in the U.N. They don't sign on to most of the treaties.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (NIZHJ)

80 68...oh...they're out there...

Posted by: billygoat at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (6DDE+)

81 Most of the murder and mayhem is coming out of the urban ghettos in any case. Obamas biggest supporters, btw.

Solve that problem before you fuck with law abiding gunowners who want to protect themselves from that shut pile.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (lD8ju)

82 68
"...the tight dungaree mafia..." Bwahahahaha. Today's thread is just chock full of superb zingers.

Posted by: Tuna at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (M/TDA)

83 Hive people can not abide a single citizen having the power of life or death.

A single citizen with a gun could have save many of the lives taken last week.

Hive people see that kind of power in the hands of an individual as a threat.

There is a civil war now between free people and hive people.

Posted by: eman at December 23, 2012 11:12 AM (EWsrI)

84 Pity Virginia is a no hunting on Sundays state!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 23, 2012 11:13 AM (l3vZN)

85 Today, our couch companion in the Neighborhood is Mr. 9mm. Can you you say Sig Sauer? I knew you could. Mr. 9mm can say 'Hell No!' 16 times without reloading. Isn't that amazing? Mr. 9mm likes you just the way you are. He might turn out to be the best friend you ever had.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 23, 2012 11:13 AM (6H6FZ)

86 I've come to the realization that they are bound and determined to get us unarmed







Yes.

One bright spot though. A lot of the folks buying EBRs in the latest feeding frenzy are first timers trying to get theirs before the bans go into effect. Those folks are NOT planning to spend that much cash just to turn it in to a jackbooted bluehelmet in return for a $50 Walmart gift card.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 11:14 AM (c2oll)

87 You could hunt turkeys with a pitchfork.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:14 AM (NIZHJ)

88 Did you guys see this?

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/12/22/confiscation-could-be-an-option/

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:16 AM (5H6zj)

89 Hunting bans on Sundays are a violation of the imaginary separation of church and state precedent. Where is the ACLU?

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:16 AM (NIZHJ)

90 Someone should market pink assault rifles. Then Piers Morgan and the tight dungaree mafia would all want one.




Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (NIZHJ)


Like this? http://tinyurl.com/cdbwjft You can get them in any color you want.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:17 AM (yh0zB)

91 >>87 You could hunt turkeys with a DINNERfork.


fify

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 11:19 AM (5H6zj)

92 Foolish turkeys!

I've have them around my place also. Their fine...for now. The fridge is full. No need to disturb them...just yet. But when I have too, good to have options.

Posted by: Paladin at December 23, 2012 11:21 AM (lpxIE)

93 A wild turkey is a wiley bird, a domestic turkey is dumb as a brick.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:21 AM (yh0zB)

94 Wild turkey is a slow cooker, MMMMMM.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:22 AM (3Y7RV)

95 71
Driving to work one morning, I almost ran over a bunch of wild turkeys just standing smack dab in the middle of the road. As I was approaching I thought they were those damn Canadian geese( I wouldn't have minded running those nasty things over) and had to hit the brakes to avoid smooshing them. I swear they looked like they couldn't figure out how the hell they ended up where they standing.

Posted by: Tuna at December 23, 2012 11:23 AM (M/TDA)

96 68 Someone should market pink assault rifles. Then Piers Morgan and the tight dungaree mafia would all want one.
Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:09 AM (NIZHJ)





Then it'll be "gangbangers are using nonblack guns as camoflage because they look like toys!"

Which already happened with the infamous Hello Kitty AR. A CA police department produced a flyer with his rifle pictured saying that street gangs were already painting guns pink. Not that it was something that was possible, but that it was already happening, with no basis in fact whatsoever.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 11:23 AM (c2oll)

97 The ONT has a link to scantily clad honey showing how to take apart and clean an AR15.

Posted by: Invictus at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (OQpzc)

98 Does wild turkey taste OK? I can't stand deer meat. Wondering if all wild meat tastes like crap. I could probably handle dressing a turkey. Deer and Bear, yecccch.

Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (NIZHJ)

99 Wild turkey is a slow cooker, MMMMMM.

Wild Turkey 101 over ice is pretty Awesome too.

Posted by: Paladin at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (lpxIE)

100 @ 88

Sure did, Y-not. I live in NY. Since the left is in ascendancy here, they WILL give that a try.

Pointless to attempt reasoning or talking with them in the matter. Those people aren't Americans, they're simply individuals residing in my country.

All of the debate is dog and pony, imho.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (SAMxH)

101 Does wild turkey taste OK? I can't stand deer meat. Wondering if all wild meat tastes like crap. I could probably handle dressing a turkey. Deer and Bear, yecccch.
Posted by: Butters at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (NIZHJ)

There are litterally hundreds of wild game cookbooks. Get ya a few and start reading.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:25 AM (3Y7RV)

102 Wild Turkey 101 over ice is pretty Awesome too.
Posted by: Paladin at December 23, 2012 11:24 AM (lpxIE)


As soon as I wrote that I knew it was comin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 23, 2012 11:25 AM (3Y7RV)

103 Imagine a sweet, young, blonde California Girl who is a middle manager on her own merits and well liked and respected. One of her Christmas presents last year was a pink camo AR built for her by her BF. She will show you pics of it if you ask. She is enjoying learning to use it, too. All is not lost. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 23, 2012 11:26 AM (6H6FZ)

104 By the way, It pisses me off when 2nd Amendment and hunting are mixed in together. The leftism meme these days is you don't need an AR-15 to hunt a deer. And that's true, you don't. But the reason they put this out is in part because conservatives/Republicans equate gun rights with hunting. Always remember hunting is a byproduct of the 2nd Amendment, not its intended purpose. And conservatives need to get away from conflating the two.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 11:28 AM (HDgX3)

105 There are litterally hundreds of wild game cookbooks. Get ya a few and start reading.

Yep, wild game is pretty...well gamey! Seasoning, plenty of it and slow cooking is the key. But it's amazing how much hunger will do to improve the taste. Stock up moron horde ...bad times a coming.

Posted by: Paladin at December 23, 2012 11:28 AM (lpxIE)

106 Hunted turkeys once in the Hill Country with a vow and a quiver of turkey arrows
Just saw "Deliverance" and wanted to try it out
With my level of accuracy, those were the safest turkeys in the world..
Said "fuck it", went back to Austin and bought a 19 pound Butterball at Safeway.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:30 AM (lD8ju)

107 Just saw "Deliverance" and wanted to try it out
With my level of accuracy, those were the safest turkeys in the world..




Next time use a longbow.

*runs away giggling*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 23, 2012 11:33 AM (c2oll)

108 106 TexasJew
Just saw "Deliverance" and wanted to try it out


That's practically a hanging curve ball around here.

Posted by: rickl at December 23, 2012 11:33 AM (sdi6R)

109 Hitting a wild turkey at full speed is like hitting a full grown deer
They will seriously fuck up the front of your truck
The damn things must be made out of lead

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:34 AM (lD8ju)

110 Always remember hunting is a byproduct of the 2nd
Amendment, not its intended purpose. And conservatives need to get away
from conflating the two.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 23, 2012 11:28 AM (HDgX3)


True...but an AR-15 is a dandy deer rifle with the right rounds so that argument doesn't hold water either. Keep in mind we aren't trying to convince 2A supporters to back us, we're trying to convince the cake eaters that we aren't a threat. Cake eaters get scared when you talk about insurrection, but they understand hunting.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:34 AM (yh0zB)

111 Yeah I did ask for that one.. ;-)

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:34 AM (lD8ju)

112 I think there is a lot here that hasn't been reported. Everything I've read says that the mom was responsible and kept her guns locked up. And the shooter supposedly tried to buy a gun and was turned down. Where did he get the gun that he killed her with?

My thought for the week is "The first thing the shooter did was kill his mom. Please explain to me what laws you plan to pass that you think he would have obeyed?"

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 23, 2012 11:35 AM (Lqy/e)

113
Fuck the cake eaters, GGE. You will NEVER convince them of a SINGLE point you want to make.

I speak from long. painful experience.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2012 11:36 AM (SAMxH)

114 My thought for the week is "The first thing the
shooter did was kill his mom. Please explain to me what laws you plan to
pass that you think he would have obeyed?"

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 23, 2012 11:35 AM (Lqy/e)


Exactly. It is my understanding that he broke over 40 laws before he offed himself, how many more should have been in place for him to ignore?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:37 AM (yh0zB)

115 Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in
here, and I think it was very shortsighted, as was calling for a federal
program to put security guards in schools.


I think they were both great ideas, 1) There's been security guards at some schools for years, here in Dallas the school district even has it's own police force. They don't sit there at the schools just to show they're there, they show up randomly at schools and generally just patrol like regualr cops except the schools are their beat. They've had that since 1969. Plus, for years liberals have always said anyone who wants to cut govt spending hates policemen and firemen, turn the tables on them, why won't they spend the money to protect little children who just want to learn?

And 2) I don't think that video games or movies cause violence and i doubt the NRA does either, but then, the gun grabbers know taking away "high capacity magazines" won't stop a mass murderer either, they're just going for what they can now and then they'll move on and that's the point of going after video games and movies, show them that when they go after you, you'll go after them every step of the way.

Posted by: booger at December 23, 2012 11:38 AM (HI6wa)

116 I speak from long. painful experience.


Posted by: irongrampa at December 23, 2012 11:36 AM (SAMxH)


Too true irongrampa, but that is the hurdle we have to overcome. Its a shame that the lawbreakers makers can't just follow the Constitution...but as Bela Lugosi has already said, they do a lot of things that aren't in the Constitution.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 23, 2012 11:39 AM (yh0zB)

117 My thought for the week is "The first thing the
shooter did was kill his mom. Please explain to me what laws you plan to
pass that you think he would have obeyed?"

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 23, 2012 11:35 AM (Lqy/e)

The stock answer is that if we had only had had a total gun ban in the entire US, he would not have been able to shoot his mother.
They will never answer the question about isn't murder by any means already illegal, even in Chicago, DC, and NYC?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 11:39 AM (Cnqmv)

118 "Solve that problem before you fuck with law abiding gunowners who want to protect themselves from that shut pile."

I'll solve it. Take your worst shit-hole neighborhood, put a police annex/gun store/shooting range/community meeting room there. Real estate should be cheap, buy up an old store or theater and convert it. Strict entry control, law-abiding locals only. Give classes on shooting, home protection, discount gun and ammo sales. Let community security groups meet and work with cops on who's causing the trouble and where. Train and issue CCWs, organize and coordinate neighborhood patrols primarily for info gathering.

Posted by: Socratease at December 23, 2012 11:42 AM (DRPrm)

119 I remember right after 9/11, that senile pant load Dim Senator Fritz Hollings was railing against arming pilots and said that they just needed to put up a sign at the front of the plane that stated that if you tried to hijack the plane, you'd be prosecuted.
Given the timing and evidence that was coming out, millions of Americans prayed that someone would have smothered that drooling piece of shit with his pillow.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 23, 2012 11:44 AM (lD8ju)

120 Wild game does not have to be gamey .
Care after killing is key .
Remove entrails as soon as possible . Cool as soon as possible .
We eat our venison in every possible way , rare backstraps off the grill , crockpot roast , sausage , burger, you name it . Lends itself especially well to Mexican dishes .. Delicious .
Watch Steven Rinella's show . Dude loves his game cookery .

Posted by: awkward davies at December 23, 2012 11:48 AM (USjX1)

121 Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in here, and I think it was very shortsighted, as was calling for a federal program to put security guards in schools.

I am a member, but I am not a huge fan of the NRA. Their single-issue focus makes logical sense, but it results in absurdities like their failure to condemn democrat pieces of shit who safely mouth or vote the right things about RKBA but otherwise do everything they can in their lockstep support of advancing statism.

Two observations about the NRA's callouts against violent entertainment:

1. Railing against it is not inconsistent with the "guns don't kill people" concept. The argument--merits of that argument aside--is that the entertainment makes people into killers.

2. Like it or not, the left has made this into a zero-sum, dog-eat-dog world. Game it out. Choose not to play eye-for-an-eye, and you wind up blind and at the mercy of your enemies. Play eye-for-an-eye to the bitter end, and everyone winds up blind but evenly matched. Maybe just knowing that the rest of us will play it to the bitter end will teach the bastards to back off.

It's well past time to forget the brainwashing you received in kindergarten.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 23, 2012 11:51 AM (V3kRK)

122 Watching Class 234 go through Hell Week on Military channel. One of the better docs I've seen on them.

God bless those hard ass SOBs.

Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:06 PM (sqp6o)

123 Reading this makes me nostalgic for Christmas traditions I never had.

Although, now, gun gift giving as a tradition is encouraged and practiced.

Posted by: mare at December 23, 2012 12:12 PM (A98Xu)

124 I think they were both great ideas, 1) There's been security guards at some schools for years, here in Dallas the school district even has it's own police force.
-----
My objection isn't to the guards, it's to using Federal funds to set up the program. I want to reduce Federal involvement in schools, not expand it.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 12:19 PM (5H6zj)

125 I love game meats, but I buy commercial so perhaps it's better.

I wasn't all that impressed by wild boar, but so far everything else I've had has been tasty. Yak is very good, btw.

Posted by: Y-not at December 23, 2012 12:20 PM (5H6zj)

126 The new 8000/day members of the NRA, and the rush/crush/mad dash for citizens to buy new guns since Sandy Hook, tells me gun owners are NEVER, EVER going to hand over their guns without a fight. And when I say without of fight, I mean there will be fighting, shots fired, people in jeopardy, sides taken, civil uprising.

Posted by: mare at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (A98Xu)

127 After watching leftists from all over the media and government talk about guns in the last week, it reminds to me just how comfortable that they are lecturing and hectoring nonstop on subjects about which they have absolutely no familiarity.

What a bunch of phoney and dangerous assholes.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 23, 2012 12:27 PM (aZ6ew)

128 God bless those hard ass SOBs.
Posted by: RWC at December 23, 2012 12:06 PM (sqp6o)

yeah sure no way any one of em could stand a day of snark and bile around here.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 23, 2012 12:36 PM (Z9EHQ)

129 My objection isn't to the guards, it's to using Federal funds to set up
the program. I want to reduce Federal involvement in schools, not expand
it.


Ahh, good point, my brain just conveniently skipped over that part.

Posted by: booger at December 23, 2012 12:44 PM (HI6wa)

130 I'm a bit tired of the NRA. Can anyone give input on the other orgs linked? Will probably join one, but have no idea of the benefits of each particular one...

Posted by: shibumi at December 23, 2012 12:51 PM (z63Tr)

131 Why are you "tired of the NRA." I think they've been fantastic.

Posted by: mare at December 23, 2012 12:56 PM (A98Xu)

132 Ahh, good point, my brain just conveniently skipped over that part.


Posted by: booger at December 23, 2012 12:44 PM (HI6wa)

Never forget there are both a 2nd and 10th amendment in that faded old Constitution. Not that any believes in any of it anymore!
The solution to every problem is not necessarily a federal program, and, in fact, the opposite is generally true in that a federal program will create problems that did not exist before!.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 23, 2012 01:07 PM (Cnqmv)

133 David Gregory broke DC's own assault weapon ban this morning on Meet The Press. He was waving around a high-capacity (30rnd) AR-15 magazine at the studio in Washington DC.

Code:

DC High Capacity Ammunition Magazines - D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01



(b) No person in the District shall
possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device
regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. For
the purposes of this subsection, the term "large capacity ammunition
feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar
device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or
converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The term "large
capacity ammunition feeding device" shall not include an attached
tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with,
.22 caliber rimfire ammunition."

Screen Cap:

http://tinyurl.com/d67hoxw

It might seem petty, but we need to drive this home, because it's a perfect example of useless gun control legislation is. David Gregory had no trouble obtaining an illegal device, and neither would the next mass-murder.

Posted by: VT_02 at December 23, 2012 01:31 PM (lE0mv)

134 I have been harping on several points lately- one is, if you havent' read Jimbo's treatise on Blackfive.net yet you need to. Jimbo lays out the 1st Amendment part of this argument.

Second, why are we 2d Amd types not harping on 'reducing' the 1st Amend just as loudly? Is the 1st more important than the 2d? Are the amendments ranked in order? So the 2d is more important than the 5th or the 10th? And poor 19th- women are gonna lose that one some day. It's just too far down the list. Can you imagin if the context of the 2d Amend was listed as like, the 12th?

Next, the 'ban' that's coming is going to be self-imposed. They are likely to invoke the IRS into this- as they can reach into your body cavity like no one else. Does everyone forget they hired 50k new agents during Obama's rule? And that our healthcare is now overseen by IRS? Or, that a doctor now asks you if there is a gun in the house? Can you follow the linkage?

We are going to see the IRS become the overall, over-encompassing 'enforcer' for all things gov't. You will likely be required to list every EBR you own, then pay a huge tax on it. They'll go to manufacturers for every serial number, and then demand where that EBR is located. Selling the EBR? Ok,- pay a transfer tax. Keeping it? Ok- pay an owner tax. 200 bucks a year, lets say. Per. Now, how likely will you be able to pay that after 10 years? OR want to? Who will buy something legal, but expensive like that?

'They' won't come GET the guns- they will force you to turn them in voluntarily.

Posted by: mr. wolf, non-esq at December 23, 2012 02:44 PM (y0/sZ)

135 How is it inconsistent? You guys are taking the expression way to literally. The argument is not that bullets do not come out of guns and kill people. It is that guns are inantimate objects with no free will. The free will part comes from the person pulling the trigger. Who because he plays tons of trash video games is no more likely to will himself to shoot people. You can't be the party of responsibility and also be the party of video games.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 23, 2012 03:23 PM (kQl8p)

136 I was the cock of the walk, till I took an arrow to the knee.

Posted by: Wild Turkey at December 23, 2012 03:42 PM (79AXR)

137 Last !

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 23, 2012 03:57 PM (jfSqj)

138
137 Last !

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 23, 2012 03:57 PM (jfSqj)


Yep.

Posted by: lizardbrain at December 23, 2012 04:11 PM (EXDjY)

139 "Yeah the NRA does make some stupid endorsements. US Chamber of Commerce does as well."

Posted by: Y-not"

That's 'cause they're acting in their interests, and not necessarily in yours and mine. Occasionally, the interests of the USCoC and mine intersect nicely. I'm sure they and the WSJ editorial page have even convinced themselves that dismantling the US-Mexico border is the best for all Americans...and not just those who exploit illegal alien labor to drive down American wages. More often (often enough that am a member), the NRA and I agree, but both are captive to Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy. The NRA's pre-Heller antics left no doubt of that.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 23, 2012 07:52 PM (2obW7)

140 "Casting blame towards Hollywood and video games doesn't really fit in here"

you can hold people accountable for their actions without treating them like hermetically-sealed beings unaffected by anything in broader society

Posted by: JDP at December 23, 2012 08:54 PM (8HhF2)






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