Saturday Morning Open Thread

If you haven't read this piece by 'Rex Harrison's Hat' in the sidebar yet, it's well worth your time.

Posted by: Andy at 07:44 AM



Comments

1 It was gut-wrenching.


Hats off to you, Rex.

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2012 07:46 AM (z9HTb)

2 'Morning, everyone.

Posted by: HH at December 22, 2012 07:47 AM (XXwdv)

3 Good Morning Morons. Today is Saturday, December 22, 2012. On this day in 1807 Congress passed the Embargo Act halting trade with Britain and France. The law was especially unpopular with the NE maritime States because it cost them money. The act was largely ineffective because it was poorly enforced and smuggling was rampant. Eventually this and the war of 1812 led to the Hartford Convention in which the Northeast wanted to secede.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:48 AM (53z96)

4 Bret Baier’s solution to the deficit? A few cuts and a whole lot of new taxes. Hey Bret we didn’t get here by cutting taxes. We got here when Obama jacked up spending. What we need to do is simple. Return to the 2008 budget.

http://is.gd/dquhfL

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:48 AM (53z96)

5 Fox blames the movies for the shooting. I blame the rotten kid and the ACLU. Liberal commies blame evil guns.

http://is.gd/F3zLNE

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:49 AM (53z96)

6 Obama gets another expensive vacation trip to Hawaii at our expense.

http://is.gd/thBn9H

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:49 AM (53z96)

7 As expected, Senate Republicans sold us out yesterday in the pork-fest known as Sandy Relief. Hopefully the House will kill it but I am not holding out much hope there either.

http://is.gd/WGO21B

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:49 AM (53z96)

8 Are Boner’s days numbered?

http://is.gd/iIHeBU

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:49 AM (53z96)

9 Dana Loesch is suing Breitbart over her contract. I don’t see a case here for her.

http://is.gd/mDDO89

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:50 AM (53z96)

10 Unemployment up despite Holiday hiring. But not to worry, it’s a post election adjustment away from the fake numbers from Oct and Nov.

http://is.gd/duewbP

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:50 AM (53z96)

11 Mark Sanford to run for Tim Scott’s House seat. The State hates him and goes on and on about his “cheating”. Never say a word about Dems cheating though. I have some news for The State. He was a popular governor and stands a good chance of winning that seat.

http://is.gd/2ee0mV

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:50 AM (53z96)

12 Federal Judge dismissed frivolous lawsuit brought by Democrats, commies, and idiots. Sadly he did not dismiss it with prejudice.

http://is.gd/HrM5Zt

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:50 AM (53z96)

13 Kindle Daily Deals

http://is.gd/NeRfkD

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:51 AM (53z96)

14 Christmas Kittehs of the day

http://is.gd/nlMdKq



And that’s it for Saturday, December 22, 2012. Not much out there today.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:51 AM (53z96)

15 LOL Obama rambled on for minutes about himself at the funeral of Sen Inouye (cant get Tinyurl to work - page keeps loading) I skimmed through they Youtube vid of him talking about watching cartoons and taking busses Kansas Yellowstone Disneyland Howard Johnson's vending machines ...

Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 07:53 AM (opS9C)

16 Relatives of the people killed in that classroom should be able to sue the ACLU since it is their fault crazies get to roam the country.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:56 AM (53z96)

17 Obama rambled on for minutes about himself at the funeral of Sen Inouye (cant get Tinyurl to work - page keeps loading) I skimmed through they Youtube vid of him talking about watching cartoons and taking busses Kansas Yellowstone Disneyland Howard Johnson's vending machines ...
Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 07:53 AM (opS9C)

Yup, disgusting but typical

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 07:57 AM (79ueO)

18 Good morning and welcome to another edition of "AJ's house breaks on holiday weekends".

For your enjoyment today, we've switched from A/C problems to plumbing.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 07:58 AM (SUKHu)

19 If it is PVC it is easy to fix, which is why the plumbers got the EPA to ban PVC in new houses.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:00 AM (53z96)

20 Ooh. plumbing problems are bad.

We had the "runaway broiler" problem with the range on Christmas a few years ago.

Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 08:01 AM (V70Uh)

21 My Christmas horror story was the oven heating element blowing out one night as I was cooking dinner with guests arriving.



It always happens on a holiday when the stores are closed too.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:02 AM (53z96)

22 So, when are we going to have that national discussion on police response times.
2.3 miles from the police station to Sandy Hook School.
Google maps says 7 minute travel time.
Response time from first call to 911.....20 minutes.
When it seems that every other thing is being discussed, from lack of a father presence, to video games, to the lunar cycle.
By the time the police arrived, I believe every person who would die that day were already dead, except the shooter.
And he shot himself upon arrival of Police.
And there are 44 positions on that force for sworn Officers.
Not huge, but not Mayberry RFD size either.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 22, 2012 08:03 AM (GBDbf)

23 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 07:57 AM (79ueO)
__________
Here is the title of the Youtube vid of the speech about himself t the funeral of Sen Inouye:
_______



"All About Him! Obama spends 10 minutes relecting on himself during Daniel Inou..."

Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 08:03 AM (opS9C)

24 "When seconds count, the police are minutes away."

Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 08:04 AM (V70Uh)

25 Looks like John F'n Kerry is a shoo-in for SecState. The usual suspects (McCain and Graham) were first in line with the ass-kissing, and Rubio (a/k/a The Great Conservative Hope) appears to be all for Mr Reporting For Duty.

Not surprised, really.

How easy it is to get used to having traitors in charge of our country!

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 22, 2012 08:05 AM (yKUrR)

26 It's a drainage issue. Couldn't find the clean out valve last night; probably covered with dirt. (not that I knew such a thing existed before then)

My plumber lives in the same neighborhood, so he'll be here first thing and knows where the valve should be.

It's not completely stopped up, but a loooong shower by one of the kids yesterday made water come back up.

Happy happy homeownership...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:06 AM (SUKHu)

27 No Newtown, CT is not Mayberry. It has roughly 28,000 people living in the city. That is a relatively good sized town.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:07 AM (53z96)

28 >>Response time from first call to 911.....20 minutes.

I keep waiting to hear that that was a mistake...it couldn't really have taken that long.

If true...no words...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:08 AM (SUKHu)

29 Looks like John F'n Kerry is a shoo-in for SecState. The usual suspects (McCain and Graham) were first in line with the ass-kissing, and Rubio (a/k/a The Great Conservative Hope) appears to be all for Mr Reporting For Duty.

Not surprised, really.

How easy it is to get used to having traitors in charge of our country!
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 22, 2012 08:05 AM (yKUrR)


Yeah, but we might be able to sidetrack that scrunt hagel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 08:08 AM (79ueO)

30 Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:06 AM (SUKHu)


You have a valve in the drainline??? I have never seen that. Of course I am on a septic tank so there would be no need to have one. But MIL is on a city sewer and she doesn't have one.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:09 AM (53z96)

31 Just to be clear, my intent is not to disparage any responder that day.
I suspect that given the choice, any one of them would have taken a bullet to save even a single life there that day.
But, I am asking about the what seems to be inordinately long delay in arrival.
Just a reasonable explanation would be fine, and in my mind, end the discussion about that issue.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 22, 2012 08:11 AM (GBDbf)

32 John F'n Kerry. Like Joe Bidet, 30 years of being wrong about Foreign policy. Anyone remember the "Nuclear Disarmament" folks in the mid 80's?

Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 08:13 AM (V70Uh)

33 20 minutes for that time of day in a town the size of Newtown to get to an elementary school shooting? Seems quite excessive.

Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 08:14 AM (opS9C)

34 VIA,

They would have been there sooner, but it took 15 minutes to put on all that SWAT team armor.

Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 08:14 AM (V70Uh)

35 Response times vary from city to city but it appears that the average response time for big city police departments is between 10 and 11 minutes. So 20 minutes is a long time.


When I called an ambulance for my wife last year it too 45 minutes to get here.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:14 AM (53z96)

36
Well, I woke up thismorning (no apocalypse), so I guess that means now I have to begin shopping for Christmas presents, dinner for 24 and clean the house.
Damn unreliable SMOD.

Such a sad story by Rex. I can only hope that research goes the right way and new therapies and services are available in the future.
It's not only the mentally ill who stumble about in the darkness, ricocheting from outburst to stability to outburst.
Those who love and care for them try to piece together the "whys", hoping to find a path out. Psychiatrists are for pills, psychologists are for filling out forms, and parents just have to do their own research and buck up. Buck up financially, physically and mentally.

Posted by: Justamom at December 22, 2012 08:15 AM (Sptt8)

37 Just a reasonable explanation would be fine, and in my mind, end the discussion about that issue.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

We'll have Joey "I Like the smell of farts" Biden get to work on that with a committee of TOP men. Just as soon as he gets done taking your gun away.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:17 AM (d6+Gd)

38 Al
And that could indeed be a valid reason.
Do you know if that has been put forth by the authorities as the reason for what seems like an excessive amount of time?


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 22, 2012 08:17 AM (GBDbf)

39 Yeh, if you google "clean out plug" or valve, it's a thing. Some places are required to have them.

We also have a manhole labeled "sewer" in the front yard. (Mrs. Plumber couldn't believe that was in the yard, as opposed to at the sidewalk or beyond.) Popped the cover off and saw that some water was draining out, so knew that we weren't completely backed up. Yea.

Anywho, it's just after 3 a/c issues on Memorial Days 2010 and 2012 and 4th of July, it's become a tradition to have problems on holiday weekends.

Tradition is important.

Maybe the heater will act up on Valentine's and force the whole family to sleep in front of the fire place!

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:17 AM (SUKHu)

40 Merry Christmas to everyone and your Families, please take a moment and hit your knees and pray for our Troops and their Families.

Posted by: jwood1022@yahoo.com at December 22, 2012 08:19 AM (8Hnjw)

41 My MIL has a manhole cover in her yard as well. It is not unusual.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:19 AM (53z96)

42 oops that was me folks.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 22, 2012 08:21 AM (8Hnjw)

43 From a CNN timeline story, they give the time of the first calls as "approximately". So who knows if it was 20 minutes, more, or less.

>>At the police station, dispatchers began to take calls from inside the school. Authorities say the first emergency call about the shooting came in at "approximately" 9:30 a.m.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:23 AM (SUKHu)

44 "Dana Loesch is suing Breitbart over her contract. I don’t see a case here for her."

Hate to say it but Loesch has an incurable case of Pretty Girl Syndrome, where pretty girls get everything they want and nothing is ever their fault.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2012 08:23 AM (GZitp)

45 *Wakes up, blinks eyes, looks around*

Still here. Well, good morning, everybody.

Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2012 08:24 AM (sdi6R)

46 I see a number of "homeless" people around here, and this time of the year feel double down sorry for them. Colder the Hillarys cooch out there, and they wander around with every hunk of clothing they own on them, plus lugging a wheeled suitcase around, or backpack. They have been around for years, and I feel so bad for them and the family that once new and loved them. I support the shelters in town, but wish I could do more. I would give them money while they were on the street, but I know that it will probably get spent for their medication of choice, and I don't wish to encourage that. Or do I give them a 20 and they can party their brains out?

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:25 AM (d6+Gd)

47 Merry Christmas, Mr. Grunt!

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:26 AM (SUKHu)

48 Holiday disasters, 17 guests, kitchen sink backs up as I am getting ready to begin cleaning the beans. My husband tried snaking out the drain, no go. Ended up using the basement utility sink for clean up of beans, pots, pans, china. Waited on the crystal until the next day after the plumber left. 100 year old galvanized and terra cotta drain pipes just silted up.

Posted by: Museisluse at December 22, 2012 08:27 AM (SsWgR)

49 "Or do I give them a 20 and they can party their brains out?"

Do what liberals do, wear a ribbon and commiserate about it over coffee or cocktails. Doesn't solve shit but makes you feel good about yourself.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 22, 2012 08:27 AM (GZitp)

50 I don't wish to encourage that. Or do I give them a 20 and they can party their brains out?

Posted by: Bruce




Social justice demands you give them everything you and your neighbor have and you both take their place.

Posted by: Joke tells you at December 22, 2012 08:29 AM (SSWdi)

51 Hey Andy!

Democrat Rep Stephen Smith of Everett MA was forced to resign after admitting to multiple counts of absentee vote fraud, which as we all know never happens, right?

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:30 AM (LR/Hb)

52 Here is the title of the Youtube vid of the speech about himself t the funeral of Sen Inouye:
_______






"All About Him! Obama spends 10 minutes relecting on himself during Daniel Inou..."


I think it was originally said about Teddy Roosevelt but applies to SCOAMF in spades (yes, I denounce myself):

He wants to be the bride at every wedding, and the corpse at every funeral.

Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 08:30 AM (zxitI)

53 >>I support the shelters in town, but wish I could do more.

You could see if there are any organizations that do something to change the situations for people.

For instance, there's a great group of people here who gather and distribute furniture and household items for people who have been homeless and are now getting a place to live. Helps to make the transition work.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:31 AM (SUKHu)

54

who exactly is "Breitbart" these days?

who's running the show?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 08:32 AM (GEHBn)

55 "Do what liberals do, wear a ribbon and commiserate about it over coffee or cocktails"

All the while demanding 'the government' to 'do something'.
Like fund HeadStart.

Posted by: Artruen at December 22, 2012 08:33 AM (fDGF1)

56

Paul Ryan to replace Boehner?

There was a headline on Daily Caller saying -- Laura Ingraham caught word of this.

I got a malware attack as soon as I clicked on the story (DC has so many attacks!).

So, beware of the DC this morning.

But, if this is true... I hope it's not fiction.

Posted by: Saturday; still snowing at December 22, 2012 08:33 AM (LpQbZ)

57 Do what liberals do, wear a ribbon and commiserate
about it over coffee or cocktails. Doesn't solve shit but makes you feel
good about yourself.


Posted by: lowandslow

Oh Crap. I was at a Christmas Party last night with my wifes lib teacher friends. All spouting about the Sandy Hook thing, and some not only blaming the mother, but feeling it was a good thing that she got shot as it was her fault for having the guns. I was warned by the boss before we got there to bite my tongue until it bled and when this subject came up, I was already 3 beers into the night. I bit, I bled, the wifey was happy that I didn't go off like a virgin at whorehouse.
And here's me. The conservative feeling sorry for the mother and what she had probably gone through with this kid.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:34 AM (d6+Gd)

58 >>100 year old galvanized and terra cotta drain pipes just silted up.

There should be a law or something...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:35 AM (SUKHu)

59 There are On This Day In History tweeps that do Vic's version of OTD on Twitter. Here's one on WWII:

22 December 1944: Bulge: The US 101st Airborne Division at Bastogne, Belgium, is surrounded. St. Vith is captured.

Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 08:35 AM (zxitI)

60

Ah, everyone is running the story.

http://tinyurl.com/bvnget7

gatewaypundit
redstate
etc

fingers crossed

Posted by: Ryan >>>> Boehner at December 22, 2012 08:35 AM (LpQbZ)

61
anybody else seeing that brain improvement ad on the front page?

looks like bunk

Anyway, I've always been interested in cognitive improvement -- something in pill or powder form -- to help with memory and focus.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 08:37 AM (GEHBn)

62 Paul Ryan was backing Boner in brooming the conservative committee chairs...

I like Paul but I don't know how much this helps us.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:37 AM (LR/Hb)

63 Soothsayer, try cocaine.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:38 AM (LR/Hb)

64 All spouting about the Sandy Hook thing, and some not only blaming the
mother, but feeling it was a good thing that she got shot as it was her
fault for having the guns.


And why isn't it the shooter's fault for, you know, shooting?


Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 08:38 AM (zxitI)

65 Soothsayer,

Stay away from porn.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at December 22, 2012 08:38 AM (8Hnjw)

66 Who IS running Breitbart? I thought it was Loesch.

Maybe it's John Nolte? Clearly no editor ever drags a blue pencil over his pieces before they're published.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:39 AM (LR/Hb)

67 Remember tge dude in NYC the cop gave boots to. He wouldnt wear them. Thought to sell them would be better. Who knows what he wants to do with the money.

Rex's story is heartbreaking. I have no clue how anyone "fixes" the issues posed by folks with serious mental health issues.

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:40 AM (Ey30Z)

68

hahaha @ Boehner being ousted

are you all really this gullible?

he's not going anywhere until the GOP loses the majority

and to believe Paul Ryan would succeed him?? hahahahaha!

Paul Ryan is more like Boehner and Cantor than Tea Party conservative

Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 08:41 AM (GEHBn)

69 I looked up Columbine just to try and see if there was any similar pattern. That wasn't t tough. Harris was a violent little shit on plenty of meds. Despite being a"loner" his girlfriend bought him his weapons.. She walked in exchange for testimony. I' ve done some soul searching on the gun control thing. Reality is that in both cases seriously fucked up people were given access to guns by folks that knew they were seriously fucked up. Rex' s hat has the point. Few close to the situation can get their minds around the potential. That seems to be the issue

Posted by: Mac at December 22, 2012 08:41 AM (7U3K3)

70

Jon Hammar was released from prison in Mexico on Friday night.

He is with his father in Texas.


after 4 months chained to a bed
home for the holidays
thank goodness

Posted by: Gift at December 22, 2012 08:41 AM (LpQbZ)

71 And why isn't it the shooter's fault for, you know, shooting?

Because it's always someone else's fault. In this case the person that somehow (death) provided him with the gun(s).

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:41 AM (d6+Gd)

72 Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 08:41 AM (GEHBn)

Glad I could make you chuckle this early. ;-)

Posted by: Gift at December 22, 2012 08:42 AM (LpQbZ)

73 8 Are Boner’s days numbered?

http://is.gd/iIHeBU
Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 07:49 AM (53z96)



Ah, Vic, you made Soothsayer laugh first, I see.

Posted by: Gift at December 22, 2012 08:45 AM (LpQbZ)

74 Let's see... Christmas nightmares...

I really don't have one. All my Christmases have been equally hilarifying.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:45 AM (I2LwF)

75 If Ryan gets the job, it will be interesting to say the least. I'm a conservative, so I'm naturally cautious. I liked Ryan for Pres before he took himself out of contention, even though I didn't know enough about his managerial skills, which is what SOH entails. I liked him for his ability to defend conservative economic principles, but that isn't enough for SOH. For many of you, Boehner is the worst of all possible worlds, but I'm not convinced, yet at least. Regardless, he may already be mortally wounded.

Likewise, the enthusiasm for Rubio for Pres mystifies me. We just don't know enough about him yet.

Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (6TB1Z)

76 I read the "leaked plan" and it seemed like a real real long shot. So I'm not hopeful. But at least someone on the Hill is considering alternatives to Speaker Chamberlain.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (I2LwF)

77 Breitbard LLC is corporation registered in Las Angeles. They do not list their corporate structure.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (53z96)

78 ...do I give them a 20 and they can party their brains out?
Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:25 AM (d6+Gd)

Take the 20 and buy gift cards to McDonalds (or Subway, CFA, whatever) and give the cards.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 22, 2012 08:47 AM (paPv4)

79 You have a valve in the drainline??? I have never
seen that. Of course I am on a septic tank so there would be no need to
have one. But MIL is on a city sewer and she doesn't have one.


Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:09 AM (53z96)

Two things you should have on any connection to a sewer system are a clean out plug and a back-flow valve. The clean out plug allow you to open your sewer line outside the house and clean out debris as the line gets down to the main line. Without one, you have to pull a toilet and, since you have to go a longer distance, you may not reach the obstruction easily.The back-flow valve prevents a main sewer line clog from backing up into your house. Having had this happen once, I learned my lesson. Fortunately, the back up was during a heavy rain and consisted of rainwater. My toilet looked like a volcano until the city got the line cleared.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 22, 2012 08:48 AM (ky8o3)

80 Take the 20 and buy gift cards to McDonalds (or Subway, CFA, whatever) and give the cards.



Posted by: Nighthawk

I had thought about that, but I think they would just re-sell them to get the cash. It would probably be a better option though.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:49 AM (d6+Gd)

81 So is obamacare gonna provide mental health services linked with gun control to monitor the mentally ill and track their families prohibiting all of the above from gun ownership. Is this where we are? I would rather see armed personnel at school

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:49 AM (Ey30Z)

82
Rex Harrison's Hat - Thank you for sharing about your brother and what his life was and how it effected your family.
People want easy answers to very complex problems. Our Pigs at the Trough - aka Politicians -are whores who will shill out pablum for the populace to swallow and try to enforce morerestrictive and fruitlesslaws. My apologies to whores everywhere for the comparison. At least your average street hooker does what he/she is paid to do.
Looking inside ourselves and the society that we have let define us is very painful. Looking honestly into our own homes and loved ones can be like walking through razor blades. However necessary this may be - we opt for the easy way out.
Ban guns! That way only criminals can access them. That has worked so well hasn't it?
I don't know why this kid's mother let her son with known mental illness have the ability to access these weapons. Buy a gun safe or whatever you need to keep weapons away from those that shouldn't have access.

Posted by: Cheri at December 22, 2012 08:50 AM (EAgmr)

83 Having had this happen once, I learned my lesson.
Fortunately, the back up was during a heavy rain and consisted of
rainwater. My toilet looked like a volcano until the city got the line
cleared.


Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 22, 2012 08:48 AM (ky8o3)

The city sewers also take rain runoff??? That is a big no-no here.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:50 AM (53z96)

84 So is obamacare gonna provide mental health services linked with gun
control to monitor the mentally ill and track their families prohibiting
all of the above from gun ownership. Is this where we are?

Don't worry about Obama. On the seventh day he'll rest.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 08:51 AM (d6+Gd)

85 My modest proposal:

Since it seems its always criminals that do these shootings, they should pass a law banning criminals. Law abiding people abide by laws, especially when they own guns.

We've tried laws abridging our civil right to carry guns. We've tried 22,000 of them. That's the number of anti-gun laws on the books in America. They don't stop criminals from doing criminal things.

This is my first proposal: What we really need is laws banning murder, attempted murder, and so forth. With punishments! Threatening criminals with punishment will work. It just hasn't been tried yet.

Gun-free zones are great places for criminals to go murdering with guns, which they almost always attain illegally (since they're criminals, you see.) This is probably because they know that it is unlikely that someone who obeys laws will be there to shoot back (since they are law-abiders, you see.) Since 1950, all but one mass killing has happened in a gun-free zone!

My second proposal, then, is to ban gun-free zones. If they do not exist, then the criminals won't know where it is safe for them to go murdering. Since criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, this may in some way deter them from going for the easy, no-risk murders.

It is also clear that where gun laws are strictest, murder rates by guns are the highest.

Therefore, I believe national, comprehensive guncare is a pressing issue of the highest priority. This is my third proposal. Let everyone who can afford a handgun buy one, or if they don't, pay a fine. And let them pay just a little more to make sure the most vulnerable among us can get affordable guns that will protect them in dire circumstances.

The Affordable Care Act is a good blueprint for what such a law should look like, and I call on Speaker Boner to draft and pass such a comprehensive gun care law for the good of the country- and for the children.

Some say we cannot afford to make everyone in America a gun owner. There are still some 100 million of us unprotected. To those folks, I will simply say we cannot afford to see another criminal in a gun-free zone prey upon the most vulnerable; we cannot afford NOT to act to stop the next Newtown massacre.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:51 AM (I2LwF)

86 LOL Obama rambled on for minutes about himself at the funeral of Sen Inouye (cant get Tinyurl to work - page keeps loading) I skimmed through they Youtube vid of him talking about watching cartoons and taking busses Kansas Yellowstone Disneyland Howard Johnson's vending machines ...
Posted by: Baldy at December 22, 2012 07:53 AM (opS9C)


Yeah, I read this. But, wouldn't watch the clip.

GatewayPundit had a story on it:

UNREAL. Obama Uses Sen. Inouye’s Funeral to Drone On About Himself For 10 Minutes (Video)

http://tinyurl.com/c4adnar

Posted by: Gifts at December 22, 2012 08:52 AM (LpQbZ)

87
Rex - I forgot to add, I am very sorry for the way things turned out for your brother. Thank you again for sharing.

I wish for you and your family peace and love this Christmas.

Posted by: Cheri at December 22, 2012 08:52 AM (EAgmr)

88 There are a million unemployed former military who would love a job protecting kids.

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:53 AM (Ey30Z)

89 There are a million unemployed former military who would love a job protecting kids.
Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:53 AM (Ey30Z)


Or former Military or Reserved going to College who could use the money or COLLEGE CREDIT. College credit at State Universities would cost next to nothing.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (79ueO)

90 The teachers' unions will allow men around children-- real men-- right after hell freezes over.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (I2LwF)

91 Can someone tell me why the fuck we get Boner, smoeone who is so inept they bargain with themselves? The guy will literally get up on national TV and start giving away the fucking candy store before Obama says shit. Really, he set up the sequestration bullshit, him and Obama. WTF are we going to trust him again for in this phony crisis bargaining when he is already a proven failure three times over? He has presided over the fucking approval numbers for Republicans falling even lower than when Bush was in office.

This guy is a fucking dunce, a fucking failure, yet we trotted him out yet again after the Tea party put his ass in power. He did nothing to regain power after Obama was elected in 2008. Nothing, him and that dumbass Bitch McConnell were the jackasses that sold us out on Obamacare so they could go home over the Chrismtas fucking holiday. These men are proven failures, and they stab the very people that put them in power in the back when they get a chance. How the fuck are these assholes continuously elected?

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 22, 2012 08:55 AM (++kZl)

92 >>The clean out plug allow you to open your sewer line outside the house and clean out debris as the line gets down to the main line. Without one, you have to pull a toilet

Mrs. Plumber said that if he can't find it, he'll get up on the roof and work from there.

Guess I better get dressed and eat before he gets here...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (SUKHu)

93 Good morning, Morons. We are still here ( meh..the world ended on election day..stupid Mayans...)

Sooth, I am now playing around with binaural beats. It's too soon to tell if they really do what they say, but I am sleeping better and they do have a calming effect.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (53riN)

94 I am serious. I would love to see former military guarding schools. Its good for every body

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (Ey30Z)

95 It has a name. It's called "cognitive dissonance." It's when we refuse to accept the horrible truth, hoping instead that things will turn out alright.

Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 08:58 AM (V70Uh)

96 Mrs. Plumber said that if he can't find it, he'll get up on the roof and work from there.



Guess I better get dressed and eat before he gets here...

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:56 AM (SUKHu)

That is where the plumber rodded out my MIL's line the last time it was done.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (53z96)

97 :::Rex's story is heartbreaking. I have no clue how anyone "fixes" the issues posed by folks with serious mental health issues.::;

It can't be fixed. It can only be managed with the right combination of drugs. And without involuntary, long term commitment, people like Rex's brother will always refuse to take their meds. So you wait, and hope no one gets hurt.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (JDIKC)

98 Thunderb, you know they will roll out "violent baby killers" and "PTSD" as "safety issues"

The real issue is you have capable conservative heterosexual men and that will never be allowed near children in schools.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (I2LwF)

99 Re Obama going on about himself, see also (at Gateway Pundit) his intro to Kerry nomination:

>>“When I took office, our nation was engaged in two wars, and al Qaeda was entrenched in their safe havens. Many of our alliances were frayed, and America’s standing in the world had suffered. Over the past four years, we’ve begun a new era of American leadership. We ended the war in Iraq, put the al Qaeda core on the path to defeat, and we’re winding down the war in Afghanistan. We’ve strengthened our alliances, including in Asia; forged new coalitions to meet global challenges; and stood up for human dignity, from North Africa to the Middle East to Burma.”

Good thing he keeps reminding us how special he is. Somehow, I keep forgetting.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (SUKHu)

100 94 I am serious. I would love to see former military guarding schools. Its good for every body
Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 08:57 AM (Ey30Z)

No offense but I keep hearing that idea and to me it sounds absolutely retarded. WTF are we going to do turn our schools into military camps? Are these military members going to be armed? What MOS's will they take, cause Admin and motor pool guys "guarding" high schools would be pointless other than providing a 19 year old PFC a place to pick up underage girls.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (++kZl)

101

Binaural beats?

This is new to me.

Off to the googles!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (GEHBn)

102 Okay. Nearing 100 posts. My scrollin' thumbs and I are out.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 22, 2012 09:01 AM (I2LwF)

103
I toured a mosque in Istanbul that displayed the weaponry of the Ottomon Empire as it was raping, murdering, and pillaging their way across the continent.

Amazing weaponry. Cat-o-Nine tails, huge gold swords adorned with jewels, box of nails to impale your victim in, etc.
So a liberal family member got enraged tonight about the NRA and gun owners. When I asked him about all of the gun laws on the books and why so many shootings still in Philly, Chicago, LA, he stormed out of the room and refused to talk to me. A win/win for me. These people are children that should know better.

If you don't want to own a gun, fine. But leave me and my right to defend myself and family alone.

Posted by: Cheri at December 22, 2012 09:02 AM (EAgmr)

104 In the future, schools will be indistinguishable from prisons.


Posted by: Al at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (V70Uh)

105 Good morning, Morons. We are still here ( meh..the world ended on election day..stupid Mayans...)

There is a carton making the rounds that the Mayans predicted the end of Twinkies, not the end of the world. Must have been a mistake in translation.


Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (zxitI)

106 Friend of mine had BIL with schizophrenia. They got him to take his meds, most of the time. He was still "off". The meds killed him. Heart attack at 38. There are no good choices. He wasnt violent but who knows

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 09:03 AM (Ey30Z)

107 Most of the high schools in Colorado do have police stationed there every day. A lot of them in California as well.

Posted by: Cheri at December 22, 2012 09:04 AM (EAgmr)

108 There are no good choices. He wasnt violent but who knows

Posted by: thunderb

That's one of the problems too. They aren't violent...until they are. The same goes for everyone of us. Who knows what will set someone off.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 09:05 AM (d6+Gd)

109 Good for the Hammar family. Too bad it took O'Reilley to do what Hawaii-bound Obama and Fake Concussion Hillary should have done.

Sanford should marry the mistress if he wants another shot at politics. Affairs are unfortunate but do happen rather regularly in today's world; he handled his situation very poorly though.

The story at Rex Harrison's Hat was gut-wrenching. I was never exposed to those types of mental issues, but I did grow up with a violent alcoholic in the family. Every day we would wait on pins and needles to see what condition my father would come home in. Some days ended with dinner and a ball game, others with black eyes and cop cars. It's exhausting living with that kind of fear and apprehension about what's going to happen next. Covering it all up (best you can, anyway) is also difficult and embarrassing. I sympathize greatly with family's like RHH's.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (bS6uW)

110 The teachers' unions will allow men around children-- real men-- right after hell freezes over.

Plus, they're all crazed baby killers with PTSD. You don't want crazed baby killers with PTSD near your kids, do you?

Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:06 AM (6TB1Z)

111 The solution is complicated but a little bit of common sense would go a long way. The school doors are locked to keep out unwanted people with no buisness there. But it does no good to place a glass window just above the lock.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 09:07 AM (53z96)

112 Sanford should marry the mistress if he wants another shot at politics.
Affairs are unfortunate but do happen rather regularly in today's
world; he handled his situation very poorly though.



If I am not mistaken he did.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (53z96)

113 I meant retired and separated military. Like they do in Israel

Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (Ey30Z)

114
It was gut-wrenching.





The problem is the low-information and emotion-driven voter won't know because they are lazy (the reason they're low-information) and it don't care because it doesn'tfit into their world view.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 22, 2012 09:10 AM (DoZD+)

115 Krauthammer was on this last night, and was right, as usual. You can't defend an infinite number of soft points. You have to deal with the problem at its source, which is, of course, what George Bush did with AQ. You remove the threats from the general population by appropriate means, you don't militarize society.

Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (6TB1Z)

116 #59 There are On This Day In History tweeps that do Vic's version of OTD on Twitter. Here's one on WWII:

22 December 1944: Bulge: The US 101st Airborne Division at Bastogne, Belgium, is surrounded. St. Vith is captured.

My Dad was a tank commander, 7th Armored Division, and was in the Battle of the Bulge. Thanks for reminding me of something in this country and someone to be so proud of.

Posted by: Just Because at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (scLNg)

117 No offense but I keep hearing that idea and to me it sounds absolutely retarded. WTF are we going to do turn our schools into military camps? Are these military members going to be armed? What MOS's will they take, cause Admin and motor pool guys "guarding" high schools would be pointless other than providing a 19 year old PFC a place to pick up underage girls.
Posted by: Mr. Pink at December 22, 2012 09:00 AM (++kZl)

That's not really true. First of all you would only allow those who have qualified for that weapon and then you could also institute some extra training if you want to. And they do this in Israel all the time. It acts as a deterrent. It's very likely that a nut like the one in CT would have not gone to any school with any sort of armed guard presence at all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 09:14 AM (79ueO)

118 I meant retired and separated military. Like they do in Israel
Posted by: thunderb at December 22, 2012 09:08 AM (Ey30Z)


They used young soldiers who in what they call the Reserves also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 09:15 AM (79ueO)

119 Rex--- thank you so much for sharing your story. I am so sorry for what you and your entire family had to endure. And for Jack. It's gut wrenching to watch the digression in someone you love.

I've had my own experience with my daughter who was 10 years old at the time. I think I will write an e-book about our experience hopefully this year. She displayed all the symptoms of a psychotic, but her circumstances (adopted) indicated it could be a transitory condition, which it appears is the case. Hellish 3 year period is the only way to describe. And Bruce, I hate champagne liberal teachers and administrators with a white-hot passion as a result .

Posted by: small town girl at December 22, 2012 09:18 AM (Ynbgq)

120 And they do this in Israel all the time. It acts as a deterrent.


I can see myself doing that, just hanging out in front of the school in a bl*zer and sunglasses. Being a bit older, it would be a place for me to pick up MILFs, but Mrs fluffy might object.

Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2012 09:19 AM (z9HTb)

121 Not thrilled that 'autism' is becoming the newest synonym for 'crazy.'

Posted by: zsasz at December 22, 2012 09:20 AM (RDP+N)

122 Or do I give them a 20 and they can party their brains out?"

"Do what liberals do,..."

Do what liberals do, pull a gun on someone who works for a living, take their money and give 10% of it to a homeless guy.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (+paCV)

123 you don't militarize society.
Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:12 AM (6

That is the point of the 2nd Amendment: let the citizenry defend themselves. What if teachers, staff and parents have the option of getting training and exercising their concealed carry rights? No one would see the guns or even an armed guard on the premises , BUT would-be malefactors would have to think twice about making a move and if they did, any one of a number of folks could respond before the swat team arrives.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (53riN)

124 Bruce,

Buy them an actual subway sandwich. Depending on the circumstances, buy yourself one too, sit down, and break bread. Talk, treat them like human beings, listen (believe little of what is said).

You know what's nice when you're homeless? A foot long combo of your favorite sandwich with bacon, hot and made to order. And someone who treats you like a human being.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (VHSuw)

125 I can see myself doing that, just hanging out in front of the school in a bl*zer and sunglasses. Being a bit older, it would be a place for me to pick up MILFs, but Mrs fluffy might object.
Posted by: fluffy at December 22, 2012 09:19 AM (z9HTb)

Mrs. Nevergiveup would laugh at me and tell me good luck luck. Actually when Mrs Nevergiveup is on base with me and people salute me I have to remind her not to laugh.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (79ueO)

126 That is the point of the 2nd Amendment: let the citizenry defend themselves. What if teachers, staff and parents have the option of getting training and exercising their concealed carry rights? No one would see the guns or even an armed guard on the premises , BUT would-be malefactors would have to think twice about making a move and if they did, any one of a number of folks could respond before the swat team arrives.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (53riN)

The people who would do the guarding, even if present or former Military, would NOT be in Uniform so that would not really be an issue. But arming teachers is also fine with me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 09:23 AM (79ueO)

127 >>Actually when Mrs Nevergiveup is on base with me and people salute me I have to remind her not to laugh.

Awww.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 22, 2012 09:24 AM (SUKHu)

128 @123
That's a different approach. I was responding to calls to put cops or retired military in schools. Nevertheless, whomever is carrying a gun, the problem is best solved by removing the threat and getting them appropriate treatment. We simply cannot continue to allow the unstable to have access to society. It stinks for them, but it's better than their alternatives and much safer for the rest of us.

Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:27 AM (6TB1Z)

129 You know what's nice when you're homeless? A foot long combo of your
favorite sandwich with bacon, hot and made to order. And someone who
treats you like a human being

I'm thinking that would be the way to go. Or take them to the local Greek restaurant. Greek as in run by, and have anything you can think of on the menu and it might not be the best in the world but it's only 6 dollars and we'll cook it anyway you want it and top off you coffee before it gets a chance to even cool down restaurant.

Posted by: Bruce at December 22, 2012 09:29 AM (d6+Gd)

130 We simply cannot continue to allow the unstable to have access to society. It stinks for them, but it's better than their alternatives and much safer for the rest of us.
Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:27 AM (6TB1Z)

Well there was a time unstable, anti-social, and dangerous people were put away but the Liberals made sure that ended. Instead of fixing the institutions, they tore them down and replaced them with nothing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 22, 2012 09:29 AM (79ueO)

131 Soothsayer,

I've read a lot on the topic of improving brain performance as I've been studying for the LSAT.

Some of the best things you can do (that yield real results) are surprisingly simple. Cut out processed sugars and HFCS. Exercise daily (20 minutes of low intensity cardio is enough). Observe a solid and regular sleep schedule. Eat your meals on a regular schedule.

Those are the easiest and also some of the most effective. Most of what we call brain functioning is really memory recall combined with concentration.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 22, 2012 09:31 AM (lhNul)

132
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 22, 2012 08:59 AM (JDIKC)

Top that off with families that sometimes don't like the side effects of the drugs and you've got a powderkeg of a situation.
I know this from personal experience. My wife's mom is something, I think bi-polar (but the Shrink is incredibly obtuse about it, and I have a pretty good knowlege of medicine, but I digress, the real diagonsis isn't important.)
In any case, she also has a siezure disorder resulting from a trumatic brain injury, so she takes A LOT of meds. So when we finally met with the shrink about her violent outbursts (thank full she's 100lbs and disabled as a result of the injury so no one ever really gets hurt*) and he moved her from Effexor to Zyprexa (an anti-depressent to an anti-psychotic/mood stabilizer) we went through hell with some of the extended family while we worked through the side effects. They'd call up and talk to the MIL and say "you don't need those drugs." Then she'd whine at the doctor (who'd reduce the dose to prevent side effects) or she'd refuse to take them. Then..crazy. So we'd go back and forth with family members who failed to understand that sometimes side effects like "dizzy" and "tired" are preferable to "angry, yelling, and swinging arms."
We'll have to solve that problem at some point.

*"No one gets hurt" may be a bit much. My wife tried to prevert the MIL from falling (see disabled/combined with outburst=BAD) and took an elbow to the face. No severe injury though. But no one wants to be in a car with her driving during and outburst that's for sure.

**It didn't help that Psychiatry is an art not a science, and the first attempt to medicate her was, in fact, too much medication. It left her barely awake and drooling. We fixed that though and found a dose that worked well enough with minimal side effects. But the stupid family memebers want to run to the straw man of "no drugs" for some odd reason.

Posted by: tsrblke at December 22, 2012 09:33 AM (GaqMa)

133 Bruce,

Exactly. All of a sudden it doesn't matter if they're a druggie or whatnot when you make your consideration. So they're a druggie? You're not giving them drugs, just a sandwich.

Obviously don't give a car ride to said Greek place. Most homeless I encounter are in our downtown area, where subway, burger joints, etc, are within short public walking distance.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 22, 2012 09:38 AM (hKIk9)

134 Actually when Mrs Nevergiveup is on base with me and people salute me I have to remind her not to laugh.

Norman Schwarzkopf told a funny story about adjusting to home life where when he gave an order the response was laughter.

It's been years, but I remember being on base in the afternoons occasionally and suddenly everything came to halt to salute the flag as it was lowered for the night. Is that still done?

Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 09:41 AM (zxitI)

135 http://preview.tinyurl.com/czadxzs
What the Obamaphones are for. (Hint: they're not for summoning the choir to the mall atrium for a flashmob performance of "Messiah".)

Posted by: Thorvald at December 22, 2012 09:42 AM (1V6Pv)

136 Well there was a time unstable, anti-social, and dangerous people were
put away but the Liberals made sure that ended. Instead of fixing the
institutions, they tore them down and replaced them with nothing


Exactly. Libs want to spend money on everything except what it should be spent on. Because.....rights, or something. I don't want it to be punitive, and there were abuses in the past, but you fix those, you don't just demolish a necessary system.

Posted by: pep at December 22, 2012 09:43 AM (6TB1Z)

137 It seems the Jello Pudding sacrifice worked. The bastards.

I was counting on SMOD, but it seems even killer asteroids are on the take these days. You just can't trust anything anymore.

Posted by: Invictus at December 22, 2012 09:50 AM (OQpzc)

138 Truman North-
It looks like I'm getting a better chance in MA. Smith was my rep and we're hopefully going to be rid of John Kerry.
If Brown decides to run, he has to stop working with dems. I listen to Howie Carr while working and there are too many people here that are not happy that Brown voted with the dems so often.

I was mortified in the summer of 2011 when they had the debt ceiling votes in CSPAN. I remember Reid introduced a bill and the only person who jumped up and voted for it was Scott, Reid didn't vote for his own bill!
I lost my respect for Brown that day and decided if he was going to win this past election, it was going to be w/o any $ from me. I work hard for my money and have obligations. I refused to give him any money because I would rather have a real republican than one that has an R after his name, when it really should be a D or I.

Posted by: CarolT at December 22, 2012 09:51 AM (z4WKX)

139 http://preview.tinyurl.com/blf5384
What's next? L'il Barry's real birth certificate?

Posted by: Thorvald at December 22, 2012 09:54 AM (1V6Pv)

140 Man, RH'sH! That was an ordeal!
I'm sorry you lived it, but I'm grateful you wrote that piece.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 22, 2012 09:55 AM (1V6Pv)

141 Hey, I was just blocked from the Daily Caller news site. Anybody ?
Was the site fishing or was it a piggyback. Was it my software ?
Thanks

Posted by: Plainsman at December 22, 2012 09:59 AM (frxVF)

142 The American Way of dealing with problems has been to confront them and deal with them The democrat way is blame somebody else that they can use as a straw man.

so, Lets not deal with crazy people

Posted by: billypaintbrush at December 22, 2012 09:59 AM (P9y1e)

143
Damn Mayans. Curse them.


And every liberal that exists.


Merry Christmas.

Posted by: JimboHoffa at December 22, 2012 10:17 AM (dAfqy)

144
Posted by: Retread at December 22, 2012 09:41 AM (zxitI)



Last I saw "colors" was still performed on all military bases and individual navy ships at sunrise and sunset. IIRC

Posted by: JimboHoffa at December 22, 2012 10:21 AM (dAfqy)

145 62 Paul Ryan was backing Boner in brooming the conservative committee chairs...

None of them are committee chairs and two of the four are not conservatives. The worst of the lot, Amash and Huelskamp, are more interested in holding pressers bashing fellow Rs than they are in drafting actual solutions. Amash, whose nickname is "Mr. No", largely agrees with the socialists on national defense and contributed little to Budget. As for Huelskamp, this is not the first time in his political career that he has been stripped of committee assignments.* When it comes to his fellow Rs, he talks out of both sides of his mouth and sees no problem in running to MSNBC to haughtily denounce his colleagues. Both he and Amash have an entitlement mentality when it comes to committee assignments and the fact that they have alienated even those who agree with them speaks volumes.

*He was removed from the KS Senate Ways and Means Committee.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 22, 2012 10:31 AM (YjDyJ)

146 123
That is the point of the 2nd Amendment: let the citizenry defend themselves. What if teachers, staff and parents have the option of getting training and exercising their concealed carry rights? No one would see the guns or even an armed guard on the premises , BUT would-be malefactors would have to think twice about making a move and if they did, any one of a number of folks could respond before the swat team arrives.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 22, 2012 09:21 AM (53riN)


That's the way it should be done. In every school there are individuals who have an interest and an aptitude for carrying. It could be a teacher, the principal's secretary, or the janitor. Find those people and get them some training. Just a handful in each school would put a stop to these incidents.

There's no reason to put police in every school, but maybe a plainclothes officer hanging around might not be a bad idea. Where will the money come from? Simple. Fire an administrator and use the money to hire a police officer.

Posted by: rickl at December 22, 2012 10:41 AM (sdi6R)

147 141 Hey, I was just blocked from the Daily Caller news site. Anybody ?
Was the site fishing or was it a piggyback. Was it my software ?
Thanks
Posted by: Plainsman at December 22, 2012 09:59 AM (frxV


I received a warning that The Daily Caller website is not safe. I read some comments that said something about it. It's not your computer.

Posted by: CarolT at December 22, 2012 10:50 AM (z4WKX)

148 Yeah, what has happened is some libtard has listed DC as an attack site so all the anti-virus software blocks it until you tell it to ignore the warnings.


It is the software version of a false police report

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 11:21 AM (53z96)

149 @82, from what I have read, the mom kept her guns in a gun safe. If they had been unsecured, he wouldn't have tried to buy one on his own. I believe he somehow got hold of the gun that he killed her with, then managed to get into the gun safe.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 22, 2012 11:21 AM (Lqy/e)

150 Rex Harrison's Hat,

Condolences to you on the loss of your brother. I have a similar experience. All I'm going to say is that evenbefore Columbine occurred, I knew to get the firearms out of the house.

A dear friend's son was diagnosed as bipolar at age 13. After years of treatment and the mental illness merry-go-round, the young man threw himself in front of a train at age 21. The parents, who were in a position to aid him in every way possible, were inconsolable. The kid had offed himself to spare his loved ones any more heartache and inconvenience.
This young man left a pregnant girlfriend behind, and his parents now can still feel the presence of their deceased son in the person of their grandbaby boy, much as you can feel your brother in the being of your nephew.

Posted by: kallisto at December 22, 2012 11:34 AM (jm/9g)

151 I once suggested that the male teachers at my children's Catholic school, have some sort of plan. Like a gun for instance in case of a whacko. This was after Virginia Tech.

Got a nice report of child abuse for my trouble.

Queen of All Saints, Concord, California.

Good times. Lefties play for keeps. Beware.

Posted by: nip at December 22, 2012 11:45 AM (11Tdq)

152
Rex Harrison's Hat,
I'm sorry about your brother. Mental illness is an emotional struggle for the entire family. . There is so little help in the community and resources wasted for drug treatment ( http://www.samhsa.gov/) and endless therapy when the seriously persistently mentally ill and their families wait for the left over crumbs. Medications are better but so sedating and change the metabolism so symptoms of paranoia or disorganized thinking are reduced but now the patient has diabetes.
Unfortunately mental health treatment has been politicized and will continue to be now that it's lead by the government and not the providers

Posted by: Barbara/wiscmom at December 22, 2012 11:51 AM (73mB5)

153 Queen of All Saints, Concord, California.


LOL, I used to live not to far from there in Castro Valley.

Posted by: Vic at December 22, 2012 12:02 PM (53z96)

154 It is hard to believe that someone you love could have that in them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at December 22, 2012 12:09 PM (gmoEG)

155 I did a little research. It was Google blocking me.Might have been a privacy parameter I set. Thanks all. Media matters (cough cough)

Posted by: Plainsman at December 22, 2012 12:45 PM (frxVF)

156 There's no reason to put police in every school, but maybe a
plainclothes officer hanging around might not be a bad idea. Where will
the money come from? Simple. Fire an administrator and use the money
to hire a police officer.

Amen to that!!

Posted by: Former Teacher at December 22, 2012 12:51 PM (scLNg)

157 Thanks for posting this Andy, and many thanks to those who took the time to read and leave comments.

I just had breakfast with my nephew's adoptive father this morning. It really is a miracle the boy is back in my life.

Merry Christmas Moron hoarde!

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 22, 2012 01:42 PM (qXsM0)






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The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat