Is Saturation Coverage Encouraging Mass Murderers?

The Blaze linked an episode of the BBC production Newswipe With Charlie Brooker which featured a forensic psychologist named Park Dietz who warned against creating the next mass killer with saturation coverage. Dr. Dietz from the video (embedded below the fold):

We've had twenty years of mass murderers, throughout which I have repeatedly told CNN and our other media, "If you don't want to propagate more mass murders, don't start the story with sirens blaring. Don't have photographs of the killer. Don't make this 24/7 coverage. Do everything you can not to make the body count the lead story, not to make the killer some kind of anti-hero. Do localize this story to the affected community, and make it as boring as possible in every other market. Because every time we have intense saturation coverage of a mass murder, we expect to see one or two more within a week.

He elaborated further in an article about him appearing in The Independent:

"Here's my hypothesis," he said. "Saturation-level news coverage of mass murder causes, on average, one more mass murder in the next two weeks." The reason, he says, has something to do with the USA's size. In a country so large the likelihood of one or two people snapping becomes quite high.

"It's not that the news coverage made the person paranoid, or armed, or suicidally depressed," Dietz said. "But you've got to imagine this small number of people sitting at home, with guns on their lap and a hit list in their mind. They feel willing to die. When they watch the coverage of a school shooting or a workplace mass murder, it only takes one or two of them to say - 'that guy is just like me, that's the solution to my problem, that's what I'll do tomorrow'. The point is that the media coverage moves them a little closer to the action.

And Dr. Dietz views are echoed by none other than Roger Ebert, linked in The Blaze article above.

The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. “Events like this,” I said, “if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn’t have messed with me. I’ll go out in a blaze of glory.”

In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of “explaining” them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.

(Emphasis added.) Should there be some rough ethical/professional guideline for the coverage of mass murders? Of course CNN and other news outlets are aware that panic and infamy are what many of these mass murderers want and that there is a good chance the next killer is making a mental note right now, "Here is how I can get on TV." But it appears the immediate opportunity to score political points outweighs the risk they might be encouraging another mass killing--an act they would undoubtedly view as causally remote anyway.

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Posted by: rdbrewer at 03:24 PM



Comments

1 Yeah, but you're hinting at "media control". If there's one part of the Constitution that press if for, it's freedom of the press.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2012 03:26 PM (FcR7P)

2 old news

Posted by: Gerry at December 19, 2012 03:28 PM (8WExi)

3
The enemedia itself causes me murderous rage, does that count?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 19, 2012 03:29 PM (MPjT8)

4 One of the FNC shows, yesterday, said they will not use the name of the killer and will only refer to him as "the shooter"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 19, 2012 03:29 PM (piMMO)

5 I think we should ban the media... in the interest of public safety. It might do more to fix the problem than banning guns will.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 19, 2012 03:30 PM (HEa5q)

6

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at December 19, 2012 03:30 PM (ZWvOb)

7 "The enemedia itself causes me murderous rage, does that count?"

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 19, 2012 03:29 PM (MPjT

You can't spell "enemedia" without "enema."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2012 03:31 PM (GsoHv)

8 I'm in favor of a balanced approach to solve the problem of violence.

50% restricting First Amendment rights, 50% restricting Second Amendment rights. I'd be willing to negotiate it down to 40/40 with a 20% reduction in Third Amendment rights.

Posted by: egd at December 19, 2012 03:31 PM (XVGEg)

9 I don't think you can or should stop saturation coverage; people are legitimately interested in an atrocity of this size. But I'd love to see us start describing these guys as pathetic losers (something they don't want to be) instead of scary monsters (something that's a big, attractive step up to a pathetic loser).

Posted by: S. Weasel at December 19, 2012 03:32 PM (CrEGa)

10 Of course it encourages these idiots. So does accessabilty of firearms. Such is life.

Posted by: Zippity Doo Dah at December 19, 2012 03:32 PM (E55AK)

11 Ambulance chasing brood of vipers.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 19, 2012 03:32 PM (POKpp)

12 A cynical person might consider that the MFM has no reason to stop, since they get the twofer of ratings points, and an opportunity to advance the Leftist gun control meme.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 19, 2012 03:33 PM (aZ6ew)

13 Though Ace (i think it was Ace) had a good point that if the media portrayal of these types of killers focused on how they were babydicked losers who were physically incapable of pleasing a woman then it might be less glamorous to the unstable types. Most of these clowns really want to be portrayed as that unstoppable agent of chaos.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 19, 2012 03:33 PM (HEa5q)

14 Can someone tell me what libs lose by encouraging more mass killings? Ooooh, let's see... higher ratings for their news channels... more calls for gun bans. Yeah, this is a tough one.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 19, 2012 03:33 PM (sEGrB)

15 50% restricting First Amendment rights, 50% restricting Second Amendment rights.

That's not how it works. They get what they want in exchange for a promise to consider what we want at some point in the future.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2012 03:33 PM (FcR7P)

16 WTF? Roger Ebert and I are on the same page? Did I just drop acid or something?

Posted by: Jaws at December 19, 2012 03:34 PM (4I3Uo)

17 WTF? Roger Ebert and I are on the same page? Did I just drop acid or something?

No, but you may have just eaten two boxes of donuts.

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2012 03:35 PM (FcR7P)

18 Yep. We must ban military-style reporting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 19, 2012 03:35 PM (J7sV0)

19 Of course it is. People who want to die in a blaze of glory look at this and nod: "This guy will be remembered and studied forever. You don't have to work hard or be creative to be remembered, you just have to shoot a lot of people!" That which is rewarded will be repeated.

Posted by: joncelli at December 19, 2012 03:36 PM (RD7QR)

20 STOP ASSAULT INTERVIEWS NOW!

Posted by: Entropy at December 19, 2012 03:37 PM (TULs6)

21 CNN and other mass media are probably secretly happy to encourage mass murders. It's a bit harsh to think about, but it does promote their agenda (get ratings, show guns are bad).

Posted by: Norcross at December 19, 2012 03:37 PM (MbUq6)

22 For some reason, a show named "Newswipe" seems entirely appropros at the moment.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 19, 2012 03:37 PM (zpqa2)

23 If it bleeds, it leads.

It really is that simple. The media understands eyeballs, and propaganda. Period.

Posted by: Natural Selection at December 19, 2012 03:38 PM (JwFAO)

24 NCIS has an episode with a young serial killer that ended with NCIS convincing the TV news network ("ZNN") to NOT show the killer's face or name him.

Further proof that the producers of NCIS are smarter than the Hollywood average.

Posted by: scooter (not libby) at December 19, 2012 03:38 PM (WKeEA)

25 Posted by: S. Weasel at December 19, 2012 03:32 PM (CrEGa)

+1

I want more news stories about how often his mother had to buy new underwear for him because he couldn't quite make it to the bathroom with any consistency.

And certainly his fear of the dark, puppies, and pizza.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2012 03:38 PM (GsoHv)

26 Ok. We get all the proponents of the 2nd amendment on one side, the proponents for the 1st on the other. Then Thunderdome.

I want the limey with a name that sounds like a place where you tie up a boat. He's annoying.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 19, 2012 03:38 PM (t06LC)

27 Go join the NRA. Right now. $35. They take Paypal. I will salute you.

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:38 PM (XDC0v)

28 The proper reaction is to de-emphasize his name and call him what he is: a pathetic loser, a mental case, and a destroyer of lives. Don't ban the coverage, make it negative.

Posted by: joncelli at December 19, 2012 03:39 PM (RD7QR)

29 How about the media getting EVERY SINGLE POINT WRONG for the first 12 hours of coverage?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 19, 2012 03:39 PM (MPjT8)

30 "No, but you may have just eaten two boxes of donuts."

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2012 03:35 PM (FcR7P)

Through a straw.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 19, 2012 03:39 PM (GsoHv)

31 the media getting EVERY SINGLE POINT WRONG for the first 12 hours of coverage?

We're professionals. Trust us. We know what's best for you.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 03:40 PM (JwFAO)

32 Go join the NRA. Right now. $35. They take Paypal. I will salute you.

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:41 PM (XDC0v)

33 I like that FNC is not broadcasting this guy's name anymore; even though there is no way the media will ever not cover such an event (the old, tired "The public has the right to know" bit), not giving the killer any coverage at allis a good idea. It probably wont stop anyone (who knows what goes through these goobers minds) but at least it won't make them out to be some type of anti-hero, or lend them any notoriety.

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 19, 2012 03:42 PM (boNGU)

34
WTF? Roger Ebert and I are on the same page? Did I just drop acid or something?

Posted by: Jaws at December 19, 2012 03:34 PM (4I3Uo)










I had pretty much the same reaction. In fact, my jaw dropped.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2012 03:42 PM (TIIx5)

35 32 Go join the NRA. Right now. $35. They take Paypal. I will salute you.
Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:41 PM (XDC0v)

I donno man, thats a pmag (it used to be 3)

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 19, 2012 03:42 PM (t06LC)

36 I don't think you can or should stop saturation coverage; people are legitimately interested in an atrocity of this size.
Posted by: S. Weasel


I think you could reduce some without having government involved.

Ridicule.

If one or two of the MSM outlets were to turn their shit-cannons on the others and single out the individual anchors or reporters, I think the breathless, pathetic reporting would abate.

If CBS stood up and made the story about Dianne "80proof" Saywer's gimlet-eyed newscast, things might be different.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2012 03:42 PM (cEtVC)

37
Go join the NRA. Right now. $35. They take Paypal. I will salute you.
=====
Just got my welcome hat on Monday.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 19, 2012 03:43 PM (MPjT8)

38 Is Saturation Coverage Encouraging Mass Murderers?

Yes, in the same way that seeing "CharlieBrown'sDildo" on my screen everyday has led me to go clear out my 401K to go long on silicone options and companies making micro electric motors.

....

WTF? Is no one individually responsible for themselves anymore??

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 03:43 PM (sbV1u)

39 Short answer- yes.

Notice how the "media" is not part of our "national discussion".

They'll just continue to sit around, blabber information that is false, throw facts to the wind, post yearbook photos of these killers, stalk their Facebook pages and then support whatever fallacious meme Democrats push under the guise of a "solution".

Posted by: marcus at December 19, 2012 03:44 PM (GGCsk)

40 35 Pmags are $60 now. Join the NRA so that they stay recreational. If you think stuff is expensive now just wait.

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:45 PM (XDC0v)

41 It is pronounced news--wee-pay!!!

Posted by: Asswipe Johnson at December 19, 2012 03:45 PM (btaBX)

42 >>>Should there be some rough ethical/professional guideline for the coverage of mass murders?

Bwahahahaha! ethical? professional? Why don't we just call them gun experts?

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 03:45 PM (/ZZCn)

43 Let's be sensible about this. We're not talking about banning cameras. We're talking about limiting the size of the output they produce. Your average news show doesn't need 15 to 17 gigabytes of data per camera. A more reasonable amount would be... something less than 10, I would think.

Or we could ban semi-automatic cameras altogether, and they could just use the ones that revolve... around a tape spindle, I mean.

Yeah. Do it for the children.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 19, 2012 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

44 The very existence of 30 round clips and "scary" looking guns is what causes mass murder.

Much like the very existence of 64oz slurpees and Taco Bell Chalupas causes obesity.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 19, 2012 03:45 PM (RrD4h)

45 I keep saying over and over that we need common sense journalist control. Do background checks and register journalists. Make sure they only use enough words for the purpose of the article: You don't need to write 2500 words on a sporting piece after all; even writers agree to that. Maximum word count should be 1000 for any article and stiff prison sentences for those that use more. As for those journalists that are writing while committing another crime, well, minimum sentences. Smoking an illegal joint while writing?--10 years minimum.
This is the only way to keep people from getting killed when writers like Newsweek or Time or the NYT make up stories that inflame emotions and cause violence.
The first amendment should be held sacred but everyone agrees something must be done quickly.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 03:46 PM (+paCV)

46 40 If you still don't have enough magazines you need to think long and hard about your fulfillment of your obligations

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:46 PM (XDC0v)

47 Well why when a drunk jumps on the field at a baseball game and starts running around getting fat security guards to chase him don't networks show it? Because they don't want to encourage the behavior by putting the idea in the next drunks head. So how is this any different?

Posted by: scofflawx at December 19, 2012 03:46 PM (N1Rjx)

48 Who knows how these alien goblins think.

The only thing that would make the media not behave like ghouls would be for their boyfriend in the white house to tell them to stop. They would.

He could make them if he wanted to.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 03:47 PM (KXm42)

49 Just joking Dave.

And, you can never have enough mags. Oh, to be let loose in a soviet warehouse and a shopping cart....

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 19, 2012 03:47 PM (t06LC)

50 Much like the very existence of 64oz slurpees and Taco Bell Chalupas causes obesity.

Don't forget about my spork greasy fingers!

Posted by: Michael Eatmoore at December 19, 2012 03:47 PM (NF2Bf)

51 Don't touch the media, don't touch free speech. Just because we don't like doesn't mean we have to listen to it. The reason the media does it, is because people want it. Simple.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 03:47 PM (yboFM)

52 If guns are to blame, the press is more to blame. Let's start our "national discussion" starting from there.

Posted by: gm at December 19, 2012 03:47 PM (/kBoL)

53 I bought .223 on Election Day and my investment has already appreciated 30% in one month. if you can find anyone to sell to you you should buy

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:48 PM (XDC0v)

54 But, CNN is going to have Fareed Zaplagerist do a full hour on how evil Americans and their guns are, or something.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 19, 2012 03:49 PM (UK9cE)

55 Is Saturation Coverage Encouraging Mass Murderers?

You're suggesting we let a crisis go to waste?

Posted by: The MFM at December 19, 2012 03:49 PM (FcR7P)

56 Posted by: S. Weasel at December 19, 2012 03:32 PM (CrEGa)

Yep...

Everytime you talk about one of these guys... Say "X, the Pathetic Loser who is going to Hell according to every major religion..."

Can't use that Islamic Terrorists... but you could use: "X, the pathetic Loser who killed for the Religion of Peace..."

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 03:49 PM (lZBBB)

57 Gah, strikethrough fail. I will console myself with poutine and butt-chugging several sticks of butter.

Posted by: Michael Eatmoore at December 19, 2012 03:49 PM (NF2Bf)

58 Should there be some rough ethical/professional guideline for the coverage of mass murders?

Ethics and professional standards in journalism? What a quaint idea...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Orbital Mind Control Lasers at December 19, 2012 03:50 PM (GBXon)

59 The only time I've seen newsies restrain themselves is when their political motivations are tapped.

For example, they no longer publish the names of rape victims. They do that because they're inclined to favor the female victim's privacy interest over the accused (male) perpetrator's presumption of innocence. Of course, both names are (usually) public record, but you get the point. In he-said-she-said, she gets favor because ... you know, men are bad.

In this case, I think they believe they're sounding the drums for gun control, so they won't let up.

Maybe if they realized that sensationalizing crime actually makes voters want *less* gun control, they'd back off. Seriously, that's been the lesson of the past 40 years. We had essentially disarmed the citizenry in public, and violent crime headed for UK levels. Then the media-terrified public demanded concealed-carry, got it, and crime went down.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at December 19, 2012 03:50 PM (RW1tv)

60 Besides. News reporting doesn't exist anymore.

It's all ENTERTAINMENT and RATINGS.

Reporting, in the definition of the word, doesn't exist anymore. You can't watch 2 minutes of a news broadcast without getting some "tone" or "remark" that paints the slant of the intended message.

It's all about the narrative.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (UK9cE)

61 CNN should embed reporters with the next mass murderer

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (3ZtZW)

62 Don't touch the media, don't touch free speech.

We don't have free speech. We have joint gov't-corp political propaganda, streamed 24/7/365.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Orbital Mind Control Lasers at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (GBXon)

63 Can we have a post you can say funny stuff about?

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (DrC22)

64 In addition to throwing money at the NRA, I think we really need to think about pooling up some money to get some celebrity skank to flash her naughty ladybits on camera. We could use the reality check.

Posted by: Jaws at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (4I3Uo)

65 The Media also needs to quit taking the gore out of the shooters end. We always get some yearbook or similar photos of the shooters.

Show the crime scene photo of their bloody dead corpse or on the autopsy table. It may give pause to any copycat seeing the real end not the sanitized version of it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (81UWZ)

66 CNN should embed reporters with the next mass murderer

Gotcha. Wink. Wink.

Posted by: Dexter at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (JwFAO)

67 If I were to stockpile guns which of course I would not, I would stockpile AR lowers.

Funny, the gun manufacturers' stocks are all sky high and the media stocks' are all low (Except for FNC I think)

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (+paCV)

68
ahh, so we're already in this phase, are we?

the Is The Media Responsible For X, The Media Asks phase

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (kV+ev)

69 We need to make 24/7 news coverage interactive. All talking heads will wear shock collars and at any given moment, viewer majorities will have the option to deliver a shock based upon approval/disapproval of the quality of reportage.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 03:53 PM (/ZZCn)

70 NPR causes mass murders through their constant pledge drives.

"If you call now and pledge $50, we'll throw in this tote bag - perfect for dropping your empty mags in!"

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 19, 2012 03:53 PM (3ZtZW)

71 I'm proud to say that the California State Teachers' Retirement System owns 6% of Bushmaster

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:54 PM (XDC0v)

72 Those NPR totes are quite sturdy...and have a leak proof lining. Very handy

Posted by: Dexter at December 19, 2012 03:55 PM (JwFAO)

73 80% lowers have no s/n

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:55 PM (XDC0v)

74 ahh, so we're already in this phase, are we?
the Is The Media Responsible For X, The Media Asks phase
Posted by: soothsayer


The media will have a discussion with itself and render itself blameless. As always.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 03:56 PM (+paCV)

75
I watchmuch, much LESSnews for the few days after such incidents. Who can stand it?
How about putting FBI tails on the nutjobs who flock to theaters to watch torture films like Saw, etc.?

Posted by: Peer Roguey at December 19, 2012 03:56 PM (x9s9/)

76 80% lowers have no s/n
Posted by: DAve


I'm way ahead of you. Just didn't want to post the link.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 03:57 PM (+paCV)

77 Talk about inappropriate laughter but I couldn't help it because this reminded me of Steve Buscemi's character crossing Billy Madison off of his mass murder hit list.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 03:57 PM (m2CN7)

78
In other MFM news, I wonder if Sam Donaldson feels that he deserves any of the blame for this?

http://scoamf.us/4W

For the reference......

http://scoamf.us/4X


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2012 03:57 PM (TIIx5)

79 Some poor kid with impaired mental capacity hears Jamie Foxx talk about killing all the white folk, and the NBPP calling for killing all the cracka babies - of course it doesn't end well.

Posted by: kallisto at December 19, 2012 03:57 PM (jm/9g)

80 It has already happened in this case. Mall shooting in California.

Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (da85x)

81 48 Imagine that happening. Would the media turn against him for "violating their rights?" (I know it isn't, but merely asking someone for self control is often considered a violation of their rights.)

Posted by: fb at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (NXd0Q)

82 We don't have free speech. We have joint gov't-corp political propaganda, streamed 24/7/365.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Orbital Mind Control Lasers at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (GBXon)


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We do have free speech. You say the MFM is the propaganda arm of Dear Leader? I'll agree with you 100% But right now it's obvious that what they're broadcasting is what people want.

Sooner or later (and I pray sooner) the majority will start realizing the bullshit the MFM is trying to sell. MFM news departments are already on the decline. They just haven't declined enough to break the wave of mis/mal-information.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (yboFM)

83 My first though about these people is that they must be completely Godless. That there will be no judgement. Death is just the end of biological existence, with nothing afterwards.

Posted by: Paladin at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (lP8dE)

84 We could, if so inclined, set odds for which media person is his or her self most likely to go on a shooting rampage ...

... for the children.

My dark horse candidate? Nancy Grace.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (RuUvx)

85 I cannot help but sneer every time I see a lefty suggest that a gun is somehow worse because it is 'scary looking.' I'm pretty sure a Hello Kitty edition of the AK would have the exact same effect as the normal version.

Except you might say, "Kawaiii..." as you dying breath.

Posted by: epobirs at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (kcfmt)

86 79
Some poor kid with impaired mental capacity hears Jamie Foxx talk about
killing all the white folk, and the NBPP calling for killing all the
cracka babies - of course it doesn't end well.

Posted by: kallisto at December 19, 2012 03:57 PM (jm/9g)

And unions calling for civil war and "there will be blood".
What's a young kos kid gonna do?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 19, 2012 04:00 PM (AWmfW)

87

Can we have a post you can say funny stuff about?

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 03:51 PM (DrC22)






What? You don't think my jaw-droppingly hilarious joke at my #34 comment was funneh?

That shit never gets old.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2012 04:01 PM (TIIx5)

88 Has there been any study connecting video war games or any target shooting computer games and the affirmation of the 2nd Amendment by the the under 40 gamer crowd, or whatever age demo that is?

There's always screaming about violent games, but I've never heard of the 2nd gaining support as a result of video games.

It would be good to know.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 19, 2012 04:01 PM (aZ6ew)

89 They just haven't declined enough to break the wave of mis/mal-information.

If we're banking on the Internet to save us, it might not be best to ignore the fact that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter to some extent, and a lot of other major content channels are rapidly falling into enemy hands...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (GBXon)

90 By the by,

As we are seeing increasing signs of "White Middle Age Guy Rage" being reported in the news, let us - all of us - remember two words:

Falling Down.

a movie starring Michael Douglass and his briefcase, and - you know - guns. Lots of great scenes, notably the "learn to shoot this thing" line to the gang banger and the "you stopped serving breakfast" scene at the fast food place.

Good times. Good Times.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (RuUvx)

91 I particularly enjoy the current crop of opinion pieces that start out, "I don't own any guns and I wouldn't want any in the house but I do have friends that hunt and they all agree that something must be done immediately."

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (+paCV)

92 71 I'm proud to say that the California State Teachers' Retirement System owns 6% of Bushmaster
Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 03:54 PM (XDC0v)

Not anymore.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 04:03 PM (fWAjv)

93 It has already happened in this case. Mall shooting in California.
Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 03:59 PM (da85x)


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Can't find it anywhere.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:03 PM (yboFM)

94 But..but..but... if we don't saturate the airwaves with this 24/7, we can't gin up enough anger to give King Obama cover to confiscate every icky gun in America.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 04:04 PM (WWuYG)

95 "Don't touch the media,"

They have been giving me the bad touch for my entire life. Touching back is way over due and I should be allowed to use a mace.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget's square dildo at December 19, 2012 04:04 PM (97nMP)

96 Has this happened in a little town out in the hinterlands (ie more than 100 miles from a coast) the media would have moved on. I think this has more to do with the fact it's so close to NYC than anything else.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:04 PM (HDgX3)

97
Has there been any study connecting video war games
or any target shooting computer games and the affirmation of the 2nd
Amendment by the the under 40 gamer crowd, or whatever age demo that is?

There's always screaming about violent games, but I've never heard of the 2nd gaining support as a result of video games.

It would be good to know.



Posted by: ontherocks at December 19, 2012 04:01 PM (aZ6ew)





This has been a topic on the gunblogs for several years now. Anecdotal, to be sure, but the Call Of Duty Effect for 20-somethings in regards to 2A support/activism appears to be real.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 19, 2012 04:04 PM (TIIx5)

98 Touching back is way over due and I should be allowed to use a mace.

One with the spikes and extra-pointy flanges.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 19, 2012 04:04 PM (GBXon)

99
McDonald's pull that crap every day.

Right at 10:30 am on the dot it's time for lunch; no more breakfast. All you fools who've been in line for breakfast since 10:20?

Tough shit.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2012 04:05 PM (gQJLM)

100
I may be just an idiot with a tin-foil hat here... but what if there's another reason for the wall-to-wall coverage:
Liberals actually want that other mass-murder to occur - andsoon.
Sick theory, I know... but the reason is because the goal is to ban the guns.
FF didn't get far enough before the approach was abandoned b/c of Agent Terry.
It just seems like there is such a united front by liberals on banning guns all of the sudden (with nebulous definitions that mean whatever they want them to mean, and everyone with a mis-informedopinion giving it). Like they had this freak idea that this particular case was their chance. Doing wall-to-wall coverage does glorify it and could be the tipping point for another lunatic.I'm not saying they know where a copy-cat would strike: they can't control that. Odds are it won't affect many people directly, but would push the tipping point way way over.
The news media can have their part, get ratings and sell commercials, blah blah blah...

Posted by: SnowSun at December 19, 2012 04:05 PM (UAUr6)

101 91
I particularly enjoy the current crop of opinion pieces that start out,
"I don't own any guns and I wouldn't want any in the house but I do have
friends that hunt and they all agree that something must be done
immediately."

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (+paCV)

_____________________
And in the comments the right reply is
"And if the 2nd amendment had anything whatsoever to do with hunting, your friend's opinion would matter"

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:06 PM (HDgX3)

102 The news cycle is a never satiated beast and must be fed with something.

I didn't actually learn about the shooting until after midnight. Of course I was interested and started reading various reports. I gave a quick summary of the 'facts' to my traveling companions.

Two days later, we compared notes on what I had garnered versus the latest version of the facts. Almost every single detail was wrong.

Then this should be noted too (2011 numbers):

The NCTC 2011 Report on Terrorism released early in June said “over 10,000 terrorist attacks occurred during the past year, affecting nearly 45,000 victims in 70 countries and resulting in over 12,500 deaths.”

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 19, 2012 04:06 PM (ccXZP)

103 Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (RuUvx)

I have had this discussion with others before, who seem to be able to watch this film yet take nothing away from it. You DO KNOW that Douglas is the villain of the movie, right? He's a psycho who walks across LA on his way to kill his wife and daughter. Robert Duvall is the good guy who stops him.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 04:07 PM (WWuYG)

104 If we're banking on the Internet to save us, it might not be best to ignore the fact that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter to some extent, and a lot of other major content channels are rapidly falling into enemy hands...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands


Many of the most popular websites, Gizmodo, BoingBoing, PuffHo, iO9, Slashdot, Lifehacker, etc are all far Left and a great many of them are owned by a Soros fellow traveller. Just like ALL the free weekly entertainment papers in the bigger cities across America are owned by one company run by Marxists; City Paper, Austin Chronicle, etc.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 04:07 PM (+paCV)

105 The Blaze linked that today, but if you read AoSHQ comments you saw that five days ago:

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=335690#c19838532

Posted by: mr_jack at December 19, 2012 04:08 PM (TMG3G)

106 If we're banking on the Internet to save us, it might not be best to ignore the fact that Facebook, YouTube, Twitter to some extent, and a lot of other major content channels are rapidly falling into enemy hands...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Sacred Ampersands at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (GBXon)


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As I said. These places are commercial enterprises. They're giving their customers what they want. This is more a reflection of the society we're living in than a testament to free speech.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:08 PM (yboFM)

107 (read more comments) Ok... turns out I'm not the first one here to have this cross my mind...

Posted by: SnowSun at December 19, 2012 04:08 PM (UAUr6)

108 It's not the Thing itself which is the problem, but the image of the Thing.


you know: Caves; shadows; that sort of Thing

Posted by: Plato at December 19, 2012 04:09 PM (Dll6b)

109 I remember way back in the Sixties when they tried to ban clock towers.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:09 PM (RuUvx)

110
Don't ban the coverage, make it negative

It's not like they have no experience doing something like that.

To conservatives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:10 PM (yiIja)

111 (read more comments) Ok... turns out I'm not the first one here to have this cross my mind...
Posted by: SnowSun


wingnut! Fringe person!

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 04:11 PM (+paCV)

112 Funny, the gun manufacturers' stocks are all sky high and the media stocks' are all low (Except for FNC I think)

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 03:52 PM (+paCV)

_____________________________
Gun stocks had a nice bounce today, up 5-10%. This was after a 20%+ drop Friday - Tuesday. People way over reacted on the news sold. As usual people who panic lose money.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:11 PM (HDgX3)

113 As I said. These places are commercial enterprises.
They're giving their customers what they want. This is more a reflection
of the society we're living in than a testament to free speech.



Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:08 PM (yboFM)

_____________
In general this is true. But facebook and twitter are much harsher on conservatives than on liberals when it comes to censoring them. They're willing to lose a couple of bucks if it means advancing the cause.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:12 PM (HDgX3)

114

Copycat Crime...is real.

What's interesting, is that every other industry out there has to worry about Liability for the products they manufacture...except the Media/Entertainment Industry.
They get off scott free, by claiming 'Free Speech'.

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2012 04:12 PM (K4wCe)

115 This weeks weather forecast.

http://tinyurl.com/cuzv69p


Looks like a warm front coming in.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 04:13 PM (KXm42)

116 http://tinyurl.com/d35kpq7

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 19, 2012 04:13 PM (Iyg03)

117 Posted by: BumperStickerist


The UT Tower is still closed. At least the observation deck anyway.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 19, 2012 04:13 PM (+paCV)

118 Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:02 PM (RuUvx)

I have had this discussion with others before, who seem to be able to watch this film yet take nothing away from it. You DO KNOW that Douglas is the villain of the movie, right? He's a psycho who walks across LA on his way to kill his wife and daughter. Robert Duvall is the good guy who stops him.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 04:07 PM (WWuYG)
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Duh. Of course Douglas is the psycho.

That said, Psycho-on-Gang- Member violence is okay. So is Psycho-on-FastFood-Petty-Tyrant manager violence.

In those cases Michael Douglas is Everyman.
_

The overarching point is that we've been down the White Guy Societal Rage path before, to the point we got a movie starring Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:13 PM (RuUvx)

119 And all the children will be wearing kevlar to school for the next 6 months. Poor kids. Itchy and bulky.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at December 19, 2012 04:14 PM (bj+Nc)

120 Gavin deBecker (sp?) Wrote about this in his book the gift of fear.

Posted by: crookedrecords at December 19, 2012 04:14 PM (ogVxN)

121 The construction-induced traffic jam set Michael Douglas' character off. Just like a preview of a dumb movie set the wogs off and got our ambassador killed.

Solution: Arrest the head of the state's Dept of Transportation and all his minions co-conspirators on "parole" violations.

That'll show 'em.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2012 04:15 PM (BAS5M)

122 Gun stocks had a nice bounce today, up 5-10%. This was after a 20%+ drop Friday - Tuesday. People way over reacted on the news sold. As usual people who panic lose money.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:11 PM (HDgX3)


---------------------------------------------------


Reminds me of the recent fuck-up by some of Rush's advertizers after the Sandra Fluke "slut" remark. A few days later they were begging for Rush to take them back. Rush told them all to fuck off.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:15 PM (yboFM)

123
As I said. These places are commercial enterprises. They're giving their customers what they want. This is more a reflection of the society we're living in than a testament to free speech

I'm only going to mildly disagree with you, Soona. This stuff is being actively promoted, just like the Kardashians. It's being foisted upon us against our will. It's a distraction, and it also happens to push an agenda that goes against our laws.

We might want to know about it, but certainly not 24/7 like these vultures are doing. Responsible reportage is one thing, sensationalization is quite another.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:15 PM (yiIja)

124 Where are all the 'ettes? This thread reeks of manflesh.

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:16 PM (DrC22)

125 WTF? Roger Ebert and I are on the same page? Did I just drop acid or something?

No, Ebert is a broken clock who is constantly blinking '12:00' and now it just so happens to be noon.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 19, 2012 04:16 PM (9GaPd)

126 The UT Tower is still closed. At least the observation deck anyway.

And that'll stop someone intent on getting up there how?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 19, 2012 04:17 PM (GFM2b)

127 Dr. Robert Cialdini presented in his book Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion the problem of why commercial airliner crashes tended to cluster in threes. Investigators found no common physical reason due to model or maintenance. The hypothesis they felt best fit the evidence was social validation: pilots with psychological imbalances seeing a crash and thinking, "I could do that and no one would ever know."

Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2012 04:17 PM (89r5W)

128 Saw this over at Cornered Cat this weekend. Makes imminent sense. I love how they show the media doing everything the shrink says not to do. Over and over and over.

So who's to blame? Yeah, me. Because I choose to not be a victim. Cold. Dead. Hands. I will not disarm.

Posted by: Derak at December 19, 2012 04:18 PM (lkjWK)

129 I mass murdered some eggs this morning, with ham and cheese.

Posted by: model-1066 at December 19, 2012 04:18 PM (+oBCz)

130 TL;DR

What time does OW! My Balls! come on?

Posted by: LIV at December 19, 2012 04:19 PM (O7Q1u)

131 The hypothesis they felt best fit the evidence was social validation: pilots with psychological imbalances seeing a crash and thinking, "I could do that and no one would ever know."
Posted by: stuiec at December 19, 2012 04:17 PM (89r5W)

++++

Now there's a sentence I thought I'd never see in an AOSHQ thread.

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:19 PM (DrC22)

132 I have had this discussion with others before, who seem to be able to
watch this film yet take nothing away from it. You DO KNOW that Douglas
is the villain of the movie, right? He's a psycho who walks across LA on
his way to kill his wife and daughter. Robert Duvall is the good guy
who stops him.


The character played by Douglas wasn't the Good Guy, but he was portrayed as wanting to see them, not kill them.

In the end he committed suicide by cop when he pulled a squirt gun.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 04:20 PM (SY2Kh)

133
What time does OW! My Balls! come on?

Right after Ass.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:20 PM (yiIja)

134 Saw it online and found it easily

google search mall shooting california last 7 days



Shooting outside the mall still counts as far as I'm concerned, and he didn't kill anyone.

Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 04:21 PM (da85x)

135 That said, Psycho-on-Gang- Member violence is okay. So is Psycho-on-FastFood-Petty-Tyrant manager violence.
In those cases Michael Douglas is Everyman.



And my third favorite: Psycho-on-making-change-at-a-convenience-store violence.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 19, 2012 04:21 PM (BAS5M)

136 What time does OW! My Balls! come on?

Right after Ass.


Why are you reading all that? Are you a fag?

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 04:22 PM (KXm42)

137 re: "Well why when a drunk jumps on the field at a baseball game and starts running around getting fat security guards to chase him don't networks show it? Because they don't want to encourage the behavior by putting the idea in the next drunks head. So how is this any different?"

And yet the idea persists. And every once in a while a guy decides to do it.

It's as if what media consumers will think about him--as if their experience of the thing he's decided to do--plays no part in his decision.

So yeah. Not different.

...

You people watch too much TV. And you fear and desire it too much.

Posted by: oblig. at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (cePv8)

138 Manchin is backtracking already

Posted by: DCPensFan at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ma/2m)

139 This is none of those 'duh' things.

Same reason we don't show idiots jumping from the stands & running around on the field during football/baseball/soccer games.

We don't want to encourage the same behavior in the future by promoting their idiocy.

Media must not think that same logic applies to mass murderers.

Posted by: yomomma at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (DKLl9)

140 The character played by Douglas wasn't the Good Guy, but he was portrayed as wanting to see them, not kill them.

In the end he committed suicide by cop when he pulled a squirt gun.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 04:20 PM (SY2Kh)
Yeah. He wanted to "see them" like OJ wanted to "talk" to Nicole and Ron.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (WWuYG)

141 #103

It's kind of hard to miss, considering there is a scene where Douglas asks "I'm the bad guy?"

It made a good companion piece to the Batman story 'The Killing Joke' in which the Joker declares anyone could be like him after a single really bad day, which force Batman to admit to himself that this is true in his own case.

Posted by: epobirs at December 19, 2012 04:25 PM (kcfmt)

142 Is Staggered Posting Encouraging Moron Masturbation?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 19, 2012 04:26 PM (cEtVC)

143
You DO KNOW that Douglas is the villain of the movie, right? He's a psycho who walks across LA on his way to kill his wife and daughter. Robert Duvall is the good guy who stops him.

Um... no. Where do you get he wanted to kill them? He wanted to get to his daughters in time for her birthday to give her that snowglobe.

Posted by: Entropy at December 19, 2012 04:26 PM (TULs6)

144 It made a good companion piece to the Batman story 'The Killing Joke' in which the Joker declares anyone could be like him after a single really bad day, which force Batman to admit to himself that this is true in his own case.
Posted by: epobirs at December 19, 2012 04:25 PM (kcfmt)

____

Now that's more like it!

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:27 PM (DrC22)

145 From Drudge: Casual conversation about the Sandy Hook shootings in barber shop results in one customer firing shots at another.

Imagine my surprise when I noticed this fine detail:

According to court records, Davis is a felon, convicted of second-degree homicide and unlawful possession of a weapon in Middlesex County, N.J., in 1975. Records further state he has been involved in numerous verbal altercations with neighbors, resulting in an order of protection being issued against him.

So he's a convicted murderer already convicted of unlawful possession of a weapon plus he's a nut. the only possible solution is to take guns away from people who didn't do it.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:27 PM (Hx5uv)

146 92 Ca STRS STILL owns 6% of Bushmaster. Theyr'e CONSIDERING divestiture

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 04:27 PM (XDC0v)

147 I'm only going to mildly disagree with you, Soona. This stuff is being actively promoted, just like the Kardashians. It's being foisted upon us against our will. It's a distraction, and it also happens to push an agenda that goes against our laws.We might want to know about it, but certainly not 24/7 like these vultures are doing. Responsible reportage is one thing, sensationalization is quite another.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:15 PM (yiIja)


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Sensationalism has been the mainstay of media since the printing press was invented. You don't think there's been sensationalism political or otherwise, in our distant past? You need to do some research.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:27 PM (yboFM)

148 138
Manchin is backtracking already

Posted by: DCPensFan at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ma/2m)

______________________
Amazing what happens when an ***ABC*** poll comes out showing 71% don't want to ban hand guns huh? It's an ABC poll which means the number is more like 81%. And this is nationwide which means it's gotta be around 99% in West Virginia to make up for the 20% in Manhattan.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:28 PM (HDgX3)

149 138 Manchin is backtracking already
Posted by: DCPensFan at December 19, 2012 04:24 PM (ma/2m)


Fortunately for him West Virginians love pork more than guns.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 19, 2012 04:28 PM (sgNEe)

150 Um... no. Where do you get he wanted to kill them? He wanted to get to
his daughters in time for her birthday to give her that snowglobe.

Posted by: Entropy at December 19, 2012 04:26 PM (TULs6)


When he talks to Hershey on the phone, and gives her the "dark side of the moon" speech, it's clear that he has gone past the point of no return. He plans on some family-annihilation violence. If you did not catch that then you are exactly why I made my post. Even Duvall calls him out on it.

Posted by: The Media at December 19, 2012 04:29 PM (WWuYG)

151 Park Dietz knows what he talking about. He is the forensic psychologist who interviewed the Mafia hitman-the Iceman (Kukinski). He knows the minds of mass murderers.

Posted by: janet at December 19, 2012 04:29 PM (SaAjb)

152 50 shots outside a mall Saturday night.

I felt like smashing the tv when i put it on at 10 pm Friday and saw 80 proof Diane Sawyer and some other jerk standing outside somewhere in Ct with mournful looks on their faces.

Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 04:31 PM (da85x)

153 I watched some of it on Friday evening, late, and haven't watched any of it since. I did see one story on Fox & Friends about the grandfather and psychologist that found six children on his lawn and did not know what had happened, but one boy said they couldn't go back to school because their teacher was dead. He took them in his house and gave them stuffed animals and found parents phone numbers with the help of the bus driver. I'm not sure why the bus driver didn't take them away from the scene.
That man cried when he had a womb show up at his door asking if he had her child.
I hate Comcast because it blocks conservative emails but I do like its "on demand" system. I watch almost everything on demand so I miss commercials and don't have to watch the news.

I like Homeland that was on Showtime at ten on Sundays. Right before that is Dexter. I never watched Dexter, but had it on while waiting for Homeland. Next time I want to watch television, I'm going to start watching some Dexter episodes. I started paying attention towards the middle of the last few episodes.

Posted by: CarolT at December 19, 2012 04:31 PM (z4WKX)

154 Manchin is backtracking already

Those fellas living in the hollars of his state don't take kindly to gun-grabbing government types. Or revenue-ers

Posted by: Retread at December 19, 2012 04:31 PM (zxitI)

155
You don't think there's been sensationalism political or otherwise, in our distant past?

I never said, nor meant to imply that. My point was that this seems to advance a particular Leftist agenda and is getting far more coverage than it deserves right now.

Lighten up, Francis.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:32 PM (yiIja)

156 We not only get the govt we deserve, we get the press we deserve. Unfortunately.

The problem is the 'we' part.

LiB.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 19, 2012 04:32 PM (zpqa2)

157 146 92 Ca STRS STILL owns 6% of Bushmaster. Theyr'e CONSIDERING divestiture
Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 04:27 PM (XDC0v)

Ok. Thought they already pulled it.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 04:32 PM (fWAjv)

158 Why can't we have threads about stuff like this?:

CAUGHT ON TAPE: Routine traffic stop in TX ends in trooper conducting 'roadside body cavity search'...

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:33 PM (DrC22)

159 The premise with this article is the same one I always make. The Media has too much influence on what are the opinions of the American Public.




If Television didn't work, it wouldn't have advertisers.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 19, 2012 04:33 PM (bb5+k)

160 157 Are you STRS?

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 04:34 PM (XDC0v)

161 Any self respecting TV news producer would sell his daughter in a Moroccan market if he though it would get him a couple of rating points. So, no, this is not going to stop.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at December 19, 2012 04:34 PM (3xuEM)

162 I felt like smashing the tv when i put it on at 10 pm Friday and saw 80 proof Diane Sawyer and some other jerk standing outside somewhere in Ct with mournful looks on their faces.
Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 04:31 PM (da85x)
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That's because Diane had just found out that the liquor stores were closed

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:34 PM (DrC22)

163 The story is assigned a logo and a theme song

Dammit. I need a logo and a theme song.

We get all the proponents of the 2nd amendment on one side, the proponents for the 1st on the other. Then Thunderdome.


Careful. They might name-call you to death.



As for broadcasting the name of this particular tiny-dicked failure...his dad seems pretty well connected to people connected to Obama to via G.E. If I did something like this, they'd advertise the hell out of my car having a preset to a station Rush Limbaugh's show is on...I'd like to see the same attention paid to this actual connection.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 04:34 PM (/kI1Q)

164 What's interesting, is that every other industry out there has to worry
about Liability for the products they manufacture...except the
Media/Entertainment Industry.
They get off scott free, by claiming 'Free Speech'.

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Let's not make this about which amendment gets fucked. I like some violence in movies and I play violent video games. I want to continue to do so.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:34 PM (Hx5uv)

165 #161

Heh. "Self respecting TV news producer". That's some funny shit right there.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 19, 2012 04:35 PM (WWuYG)

166

CNN's sending out this garbage:



52% of Americans favor major restrictions on guns or making all guns illegal, according to a CNN/ORC poll.

The poll was taken December 17-18, just days after a gunman killed 27 people, including 20 children, in Newtown, Connecticut.

53% of people polled also say they believe attacks will continue regardless
of any action taken.

Posted by: beach at December 19, 2012 04:35 PM (LpQbZ)

167 Yeah. He wanted to "see them" like OJ wanted to "talk" to Nicole and Ron.

Nah- much was made of him trying to bring a gift for his daughter, and was surprised that anyone thought that he'd want to kill them. A main theme of the movie was that he saw himself as the Good Guy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 04:36 PM (SY2Kh)

168 More lunch programs. Children grow to be responsible adults when they have lots of food. Healthy food. Food they can throw away.

1. More taxes for more food. 2. Free condoms and pills 3. Less violence.

See........

Posted by: Michelle O'Bama at December 19, 2012 04:37 PM (rzTDZ)

169 Posted by: beach at December 19, 2012 04:35 PM

Barrel.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 04:38 PM (/kI1Q)

170 53% of people polled also say they believe attacks will continue regardless

of any action taken.



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So let's do something unconstitutional, pointless, and meaningless that makes the problem worse!

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:38 PM (Hx5uv)

171 I never said, nor meant to imply that. My point was that this seems to advance a particular Leftist agenda and is getting far more coverage than it deserves right now.Lighten up, Francis.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:32 PM (yiIja)


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You were talking about sensationalism. But I'll disagree with you even on this. The news media in every periodin this nation has pushed an agenda on way or the other. Take a look at newspapers in the middle of past presidential elections. Or the period of time just prior to the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:39 PM (yboFM)

172 52% of Americans favor major restrictions on guns or making all guns

illegal, according to a CNN/ORC poll.

________________________-

LOL! Sure they do. That's why Obama's creating a commission headed by Biden the Buffoon to study gun violence and Manchin is already back tracking less than 48 hours after he said he wants to ban guns. They're both doing this because the masses demand a gun ban ASAP!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 04:39 PM (HDgX3)

173 #167
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 04:36 PM (SY2Kh)


See my post at #150. Also, he says that because violent psychos are often incapable of seeing how their actions are wrong.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 19, 2012 04:40 PM (WWuYG)

174 The perverseness of the current coverage of the tragedy in CT is not so much that it is another instance of the media patting itself on the back, trying to out-grieve each other, but that it is so obviously a concerted effort with lawmakers to mold public opinion and pave the way for utterly partisan "solutions" to the problem.

Let the poor families bury their babies and shed their tears. There will be time for debate and journalistic advocacy in due time.

Posted by: red speck at December 19, 2012 04:40 PM (9/Ug/)

175 Some of you Texas morons need to get this scrunt committed for her own personal safety. http://is.gd/6QN5Xs

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 04:40 PM (/kI1Q)

176 If Biden is as good at banning guns as he has been at creating jobs, we don't have much to worry about. It's SCOAMF and his EO pen that concerns me.

Posted by: Retread at December 19, 2012 04:41 PM (zxitI)

177 I'm glad we have Media around to tell us what's what and who's who in movies.

Michael Douglas character - Bad. m'okay.

Next you'll tell us that the song "Born in the USA" is not one humdinger of a toe tapping tune about how effing great it is to have been born in the USA

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 19, 2012 04:41 PM (RuUvx)

178 Speaking of saturation coverage, I wonder how Ace is doing?

Posted by: Cricket at December 19, 2012 04:41 PM (DrC22)

179 What the fuck is Roger Ebert doing making sense?

Posted by: Adam at December 19, 2012 04:42 PM (/YJYi)

180 Actually they re-opened the UT Tower observation deck in the middle sixties but it has been closed since 1969 because of a suicide. I knew her.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 19, 2012 04:42 PM (OBDWE)

181 #177

You mean, Bruce Springsteen was being IRONIC when he wrapped himself and his albums up in the American flag? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Rusty Nail, who has hated The Boss since before 1984 at December 19, 2012 04:44 PM (WWuYG)

182 Why would anyone think that poll numbers are the one thing that the MSM tells the truth about???

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 04:45 PM (XDC0v)

183 Show the crime scene photo of their bloody dead corpse or on the autopsy
table. It may give pause to any copycat seeing the real end not the
sanitized version of it.


Good idea. I have seen 9 autopsies in my life, having the public look at a disembowled corpse with his face peeled over his skull and his nudity exposed for all the world to see would be a rather fetching image. "See, little Johnny Fucknut this is what you will look like after you are shot or take your life."

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 19, 2012 04:46 PM (ZOf1l)

184 Some of you Texas morons need to get this scrunt committed for her own personal safety. http://is.gd/6QN5Xs

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I always get Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters mixed up. Both are ugly and stupid.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:46 PM (Hx5uv)

185 http://tinyurl.com/cwdjhdp

Mall shooting in California day after Connecticut

http://tinyurl.com/bmz6xfr Copycat Attack threats
Both are Yahoo news

Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 04:47 PM (da85x)

186
You were talking about sensationalism.

I was talking about the "foisting" part. Take my example of the Kardashians (please!). There is nothing that they do or say that affects my life in any way, yet every jot and tittle of their lives is front-page news. I don't care about them so why should I be forced to hear about their exploits? I. Don't. Want. To. Know. Because. It's. Not. Important.

The stuff I consider important, like what the people who pass the laws I have to abide by are doing, never gets covered truthfully. The things we ought to know, we don't. The unimportant seems to be all we ever hear about.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 04:48 PM (yiIja)

187 I always get Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters mixed up. Both are ugly and stupid.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:46 PM (Hx5uv)


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COMMIT THE UGLY!!

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:49 PM (yboFM)

188 My local school system just did a mass call about threat rumors, one being at my daughters school, they said none of the rumors have been confirmed so school will go on as scheduled but with an increased police presence at all schools some that will be seen and some that won't.

What a novel idea to actually have armed people there for protection.

Posted by: Spypeach at December 19, 2012 04:53 PM (pwTow)

189 COMMIT THE UGLY!!

Posted by: Soona


Oh shit!

Posted by: Jim Traficant's hairpiece at December 19, 2012 04:54 PM (cEtVC)

190 COMMIT THE UGLY!!

Helen Thomas hardest hit.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 19, 2012 04:54 PM (WWuYG)

191 Where did everyone go? Hello........

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 04:55 PM (yboFM)

192 But, but ADVERTISING doesn't work . . . Oh, wait.

To Samuel L Jackson: Fuck you. You make/made millioins off glamorizing murder, mayhem, rage and outrageous acts so your claim that Movies and TV don't aid and abet mass murder are, shall we say, suspect?

Same with with every other Hollywood/Infotainment squawking head; if your programs didn't draw eyes and if advertisers didn't see a payoff for showing their products to those eyes, then your entire business model is either a fraud or failure. Since for the most part it isn't, then what you show on the screen, no matter the size or venue, DOES INFLUENCE the popular culture and CAN AND MIGHT influence the mentally unbalanced.

You want a discussion about guns? Fine, let's have that discussion but only if the influence of mass media is also on the table and the isolation and forced feminization of boys, the minimization and marginalization of men and male attributes in society by Liberal Progressive laws and regulations is also up for discussion.

Let's have THAT discussion.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at December 19, 2012 04:55 PM (3E2th)

193 What a novel idea to actually have armed people there for protection.

Posted by: Spypeach at December 19, 2012 04:53 PM


ah, jeez, spypeach. I really hope it turns out to be nothing. Glad to see the school isn't panicking, though.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 19, 2012 04:56 PM (P47hr)

194 I always get Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters mixed up.
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 04:46 PM (Hx5uv)


One is thin, nasty, mean and vicious and also corrupt the other is fat, fat headed and stupid.

Oh and one's from California and one surprisingly is from Texas. (how'd that happen?)

Go with thin and fat as quick references.

I could go on, but then I might get banned.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at December 19, 2012 04:58 PM (3E2th)

195 I don't know why schools can't have an armed police officer take shifts at schools.

Bigger towns can have cops doing a 2 hour shift walking the halls of the school as a part of his standard patrol week.

Smaller towns may have some issues, but should still have the ability to check on and patrol the halls during the day.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 19, 2012 04:58 PM (UK9cE)

196
Oh and one's from California and one surprisingly is from Texas. (how'd that happen?)



Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at December 19, 2012 04:58 PM (3E2th)


Houston.....

Posted by: © Sponge at December 19, 2012 04:59 PM (UK9cE)

197 Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at December 19, 2012 04:55 PM (3E2th)


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Discuss 60% of anything about our society right now and we'd be talking about a sad commentary.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 05:02 PM (yboFM)

198 I had to take my son's gym bag to his Grade 8 school about 2 pm on that Friday. They have a camera at the door. Although they know me I walked in swinging the bag lightly on one finger so they didn't think there was anything heavy in it, and said Hello, I've got his gym stuff here. There was a big tv in the office with the live coverage (wrong info) on and staff watching.

Posted by: Bill at December 19, 2012 05:03 PM (da85x)

199 Travel Channel is fucking with me. All this afternoon they have had food shows including the best cheeseburgers in the country, then the best brats, and now they have the best BBQ. Must. Change. Channel. But. Can't. Seem. To. Muster. The. Power.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 19, 2012 05:04 PM (ZOf1l)

200 Something that's been bugging me in the Newton case. The school had updated the security at the school which included needing to be buzzed in. (I'll assume they spent a but load of dough for consultants and equipment.)

And the thing that bugs me is all he needed to do was shoot the window and walk through. No one thought to put security film on the windows to prevent an attacker from shooting the window and easily walking through it?

Minimal cost and even though it dosent make them bullet proof it will considerably slow the entry to the building. But I suppose since after installed you can't see it to show off where you spent the dough so it didn't get done.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 05:04 PM (81UWZ)

201
I always get Sheila Jackson Lee and Maxine Waters mixed up.



Houston, you have a problem.

Posted by: Tom Flanks at December 19, 2012 05:05 PM (z9HTb)

202 Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 19, 2012 05:04 PM (ZOf1l

If you get to the 'Best Sandwiches' and Primanti Brothers is mentioned....they're frickin' lying.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 05:06 PM (fWAjv)

203 Thanks dc,

Daughter doesn't want to go, she's a little freaked out by everything. Not really sure what ill do yet.

Posted by: Spypeach at December 19, 2012 05:06 PM (pwTow)

204 Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 05:06 PM (fWAjv)


If that's the one in Pittsburgh then I've seen that episode.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 19, 2012 05:07 PM (ZOf1l)

205 Sensationalismin media have influenced violence in some degreesinceforever. The tales of warriors and such were spread far and widebefore the printing press and by written word after.

Dime novels in the Old West glamorized the gunslingers, both good guys and bad.Buffalo Bill hadhis Wild West Show into the 20th Century.

Some people will be influenced positively and others negatively but the vast majority will not be influenceone way or the other. Its called freaking life.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

206
just left the supermarket -- it was mobbed

I walked out wondering why we don't have more mass shootings.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2012 05:08 PM (3RjNU)

207 And the thing that bugs me is all he needed to do was shoot the window and walk through. No one thought to put security film on the windows to prevent an attacker from shooting the window and easily walking through it? Minimal cost and even though it dosent make them bullet proof it will considerably slow the entry to the building. But I suppose since after installed you can't see it to show off where you spent the dough so it didn't get done.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 05:04 PM (81UWZ)


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It's one of the things I pointed out at my place of work when the safety officer was trying to bring the hammer down on security problems. When I finished, all I got was a shrug of the shoulders. I work at night in a not-so-good neighborhood, and I'm thinking about starting to pack no matter what the company policy is.

Posted by: Soona at December 19, 2012 05:08 PM (zjmDq)

208 I have to vent cuz I am shellshocked. I live in Utah and the AR market is crazy here. I've been to three stores today and called seven. No semi autos for sale at any. One store sold ten when they opened. Another sold thirty five in the hour and a half after Obamas press conference. I saw the last one walk out the door. .308 Hogan 2400 bucks a guy threw down three one thousand dollar bills and walked away. No ammo, no mags. Two guys were arrested at a scheels for assaulting and taking the mags of a guy in line. It's like freaking cabbage patch dolls. Holy freaking shit.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 19, 2012 05:10 PM (xV30b)

209 There is nothing that they do or say that affects my life in any way,
yet every jot and tittle of their lives is front-page news. I don't care
about them so why should I be forced to hear about their exploits?


The part that kills me is I actively try to avoid knowing that shit, and without going full-Adirondack-Hermit, it's impossible. Eventually I have to go to work or buy groceries or go to the dentist and it's all over the waiting areas. Grrr.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 05:11 PM (/kI1Q)

210 208 People who panic buy and sell lose money. You mean after Friday these idiots didn't know all this was going to happen?

Posted by: DAve at December 19, 2012 05:13 PM (XDC0v)

211 So what does that nutty fuckwit, Obama, and his signature legislation have to say about mental illness? Did he and his crack staff whip up a contingency plan for when Julia, the unwed mother, has a special needs child, or did he just toss her into the ditch, setting her up to fail all by her lonesome?

I blame Obama and Obamacare for everything.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 05:15 PM (K/NRd)

212 #195

Donuts and tickets for doing 32 in a 25. Too busy.

Posted by: Barney Fife at December 19, 2012 05:18 PM (mka2b)

213 Governor Crispie Kreme is a favorite my ass.

That fat fucking obama cocksucking failed old has been rockstar groupie shithead has about as much chance of actually become the next president as I do.

Go fuck yourself Chris Christie you fat fuck.

You fucked us good during sandy. Now hopefully your arteries complete the clogging process and you suffer 2012 massive coranaries in a row before you explode like an overfilled douche donut filled with rhino jam.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at December 19, 2012 05:18 PM (ovpNn)

214 CO Gunman Kills 3, Himself Hours After Jail Release: Dan Elliott of the Associated Press reports Daniel Sanchez murdered three people before killing himself Tuesday in Colorado. The victims include Sanchez's ex-girlfriend, her sister, and her sister's husband. On Saturday, Sanchez was arrested and put in jail on domestic violence, kidnapping, and false arrest charges for holding his ex-girlfriend against her will following their break up. He made bail and was released Monday night. He drove to his ex-girlfriend's sister's house six hours later, used a handgun to gain entry, and killed the couple in one bedroom. Then, while his ex-girlfriend was on the phone with 911 reporting gunshots, Sanchez killed her. He then got on the phone and told the dispatcher he killed three people and will be killing himself. One last gunshot was heard. Police found Sanchez and his ex-girlfriend in the same room.

http://goo.gl/OA6nt

Posted by: Walkers! at December 19, 2012 05:19 PM (jWwDJ)

215 #213

Wrong thread, perhaps?

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 19, 2012 05:21 PM (WWuYG)

216 oh yeah...big time

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at December 19, 2012 05:22 PM (ovpNn)

217 I saw the last one walk out the door. .308 Hogan 2400 bucks a guy threw down three one thousand dollar bills and walked away.

Thousand dollar bills? You sure about that?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 05:23 PM (SY2Kh)

218 210
The joy of Utah is the stores are as nice and naive as the Mormons. Those were all sold at regular price. The Mormon classifieds, ksl.com, suspended their online gun classifieds until January so people are going crazy thinking this is their last chance. Mind you that website even though its primarily utah sells from Washington to northern Mexico. Mormons still haven't forgotten being driven out of Missouri, illinois, Ohio, etc., etc. so they take their protection seriously.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 19, 2012 05:29 PM (xV30b)

219 To Samuel L Jackson: Fuck you. You make/made millioins off glamorizing murder ... You want a discussion about guns?


FWIW, I think Samuel L. Jackson has actually come out since Sandy against gun control and pro-gun.

Posted by: entropy at December 19, 2012 05:29 PM (YUttk)

220 217
There are twenty witnesses whose eyeballs all exploded at the same time. I paid careful attention cuz I was next in line.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 19, 2012 05:30 PM (xV30b)

221 I'm still not totally convinced Michael Douglas wanted to kill his family, but it's been ages since I've seen it so I can hardly remember the smaller details.

Posted by: entropy at December 19, 2012 05:30 PM (YUttk)

222 ""I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns," Jackson Lee said on the House floor. "Oh no, I'm not going to take your guns. But look at what Dick's Sporting Goods did ... they wanted to be part of the solution and part of America."

Dick's Sporting Goods announced this week that it would stop selling and displaying guns at its store closest to Newtown and would suspend the sale of modern sporting rifles nationwide out of respect for the victims of the shooting."

Boy, she's dumb. They are suspending sales and promotions. I'm sure in a week or two, they will be selling firearms again.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 19, 2012 05:31 PM (jWwDJ)

223 Thousand dollar bills? You sure about that?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 05:23 PM (SY2Kh)

Haven't you seen the new $1000 bills. President Dewayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho is on the front of the bill.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

224 According to police, Davis was at the All Cuts Barber Shop, 102 West Pearce Boulevard, about 11:30 a.m. Tuesday with five other people.

One of the patrons was discussing last week's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, and commented that the incident "makes me want to murder the suspect," police said.

For unknown reasons, Davis took the comment as a threat and asked, "You want to murder me?" Davis then walked out to his Volkswagen sedan, retrieved a loaded Smith Wesson 9 mm pistol and fired three times in the customer's direction, police said.

Davis said "I'll let you slide," walked out of the barber shop and drove off in his car, police said.

He later turned himself in to police.

Posted by: Baron Vladimir Harkonnen at December 19, 2012 05:33 PM (e8kgV)

225 There are twenty witnesses whose eyeballs all exploded at the same time. I paid careful attention cuz I was next in line.

Huh. I know they're still out there, but haven't heard of anyone actually using one for a long time.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 05:34 PM (SY2Kh)

226 WalMart is selling out of semiautomatic rifles.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 19, 2012 05:36 PM (jWwDJ)

227 There are twenty witnesses whose eyeballs all exploded at the same time. I paid careful attention cuz I was next in line.Huh. I know they're still out there, but haven't heard of anyone actually using one for a long time.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 05:34 PM (SY2Kh)

Seriously if this is true then that guy either stole them or is as stupid as can be. They were last printed around the end of WWII if I remember correctly and they are worth probably 1500 even in bad shape.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 05:40 PM (m2CN7)

228 Seriously if this is true then that guy either stole them or is as
stupid as can be. They were last printed around the end of WWII if I
remember correctly and they are worth probably 1500 even in bad shape.


I was curious so I just looked it up. Depending on the year and condition, they may not have been particularly valuable. If they were of a common year and not in great condition, they wouldn't be worth much more than $1000.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 05:49 PM (SY2Kh)

229 I have no idea as to the rarity but he looked like a mattress investment banker. I've never seen anything like it and I've been in South American earthquakes. I would say it was the most orderly pack of irrational scarcity driven buyers you could imagine.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at December 19, 2012 05:57 PM (xV30b)

230 The part that kills me is I actively try to avoid knowing that shit, and without going full-Adirondack-Hermit, it's impossible. Eventually I have to go to work or buy groceries or go to the dentist and it's all over the waiting areas. Grrr.


Me too. Even if you work at it you just can't block out everything.

Posted by: entropy at December 19, 2012 06:00 PM (YUttk)

231 I hope fellow morons understand that the pussification of America is behind a lot of this hysteria.

In the old days it would be the wimmen snifflin' and cryin' in the corner, while the menfolk went out to dispense some Rough Justice using their own firearms.

Now it's alleged Y-chromosome possessers, the ones waxing their privates and getting peels and facials, doing the snifflin' and cryin', 'longside the wimmen mewling and puling about Gun Control.


Posted by: Jim Sonweed at December 19, 2012 06:48 PM (HVtRc)

232 "I don't think you can or should stop saturation coverage; people are legitimately interested in an atrocity of this size."

And maybe I am interested in the skin color of criminals but the media seems to embargo that very, very well.

Just an agreement to never use the killer's name would do a lot.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 19, 2012 06:49 PM (dZQh7)

233 $500 and $1,000 bills are still legal tender and in circulation.

http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/largedenominations.html (direct link to Bureau of Printing and Engraving)

Last printed 1945. Treasury sent them out until 1969.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 19, 2012 07:47 PM (pFU0Y)

234 I was a Marriage Family Therapist for 20-plus years, and certify this as absolutely true. After Columbine, with it's glamorization of those two houligans whose names I refuse to mention, I cancelled my office subscription to both Time and Newsweek.
Their publication, with focus on the perpetrators only increased the likelihood of repetition.
Stupid on steroids.

Posted by: Marybel at December 20, 2012 12:48 AM (Z7NIu)






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