Benghazi Accountability Review Board Report Released

The review board, chaired by former Ambassador Thomas Pickering and vice-chaired by retired Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen found multiple systemic failures which lead to the events of September 11, 2012 in Benghazi.

A couple of highlights from the report (pdf) that address issues which became the topic of conversation following the attack.

Not mentioned in the ARB? ”YouTube video”

-“The Board concluded that there was no protest prior to the attacks”

...

-In the weeks and months leading up to the attacks, the response from post, Embassy Tripoli, and Washington to a deteriorating security situation was inadequate. At the same time, the SMC’s dependence on the armed but poorly skilled Libyan February 17 Martyrs’ Brigade (February 17) militia members and unarmed, locally contracted Blue Mountain Libya (BML) guards for security support was misplaced.

...

-“At the direction of the U.S. military’s Africa Command (AFRICOM), DoD moved a remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft which arrived over the SMC shortly before the DS team departed. A second remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft relieved the first, and monitored the eventual evacuation of personnel from the Annex to Benghazi airport later on the morning of September 12.”
...

-“The interagency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply was not enough time given the speed of the attacks for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference.”

On the larger issues of how state handles security at temporary

“Systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels within two bureaus of the State Department (the “Department”) resulted in a Special Mission security posture that was inadequate for Benghazi and grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place.

Security in Benghazi was not recognized and implemented as a “shared responsibility” by the bureaus in Washington charged with supporting the post, resulting in stove-piped discussions and decisions on policy and security. That said, Embassy Tripoli did not demonstrate strong and sustained advocacy with Washington for increased security for Special Mission Benghazi.

-The short-term, transitory nature of Special Mission Benghazi’s staffing, with talented and committed, but relatively inexperienced, American personnel often on temporary assignments of 40 days or less, resulted in diminished institutional knowledge, continuity, and mission capacity.”

Amazingly, the so-called “Accountability Review Board” either chose not to or was not empowered to actually hold anyone ACCOUNTABLE.

“The Board found that certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus in critical positions of authority and responsibility in Washington demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability appropriate for the State Department’s senior ranks in their responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host government protection. However, the Board did not find that any individual U.S. Government employee engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored his or her responsibilities, and, therefore did not find reasonable cause to believe that an individual breached his or her duty so as to be the subject of a recommendation for disciplinary action.”

4 Americans, including an Ambassador, are dead and there will no “disciplinary action” recommended? So it was a total clusterfuck and no one in authority stepped up to deal with it because, that’s how business was done. Shrug.


The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an hour.

The reality is almost everything in this unclassified ARB report was covered two months here at the HQ by Robert Caruso. If you missed it at the time, I highly recommend you listen to my talk with him. You’ll come away with a greater appreciation for the challenges facing the State department, intelligence community and the US military as diplomats work from isolated posts, in semi-permissive environments where the usual support of a strong host nation is absent.


Posted by: DrewM. at 10:07 AM



Comments

1 “The inter agency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply
was not enough time given the speed of the attacks for armed U.S.
military assets to have made a difference.”


How can that be when they were asked to stand down?

Posted by: ette at December 19, 2012 10:10 AM (nqBYe)

2 Amazingly, the so-called “Accountability Review Board” either chose not to or was not empowered to actually hold anyone ACCOUNTABLE.


Okay, I didn't read the link but are the "certain senior State Department officials" ever named? Because fuck yes they should be named and shamed and fucking fired.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 19, 2012 10:11 AM (VtjlW)

3 #letitburn

Did anyone expect anything to come out of this "report"? They know where their bread is buttered. Preezy gets another pass, what a shock....

Posted by: wytshus at December 19, 2012 10:12 AM (u93Ac)

4 The Board found that *certain senior State Department officials *within
two bureaus in critical positions of authority and responsibility in
Washington demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management
ability appropriate for the State Department’s senior ranks in their
responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given
the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host
government protection. However, the Board did not find that any
individual U.S. Government employee engaged in misconduct or willfully
ignored his or her responsibilities,



amazing. No one is held to any responsiblity. And what do we call when several Military Generals and head of CA is rtired /or fired before any full investigation.

Poor Hillary bumped her head and that was an Out?

is this anything other than insane administrating or a farce?

Posted by: ette at December 19, 2012 10:13 AM (nqBYe)

5 Hillary Clinton's political viability for the 2016 Presidential race has to be protected.

That's why no "senior State Dept. officials" were named.

And she's sick and has a headache.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:14 AM (Md8Uo)

6 alex, they must have all simultaneously bumped their heads so, well... we know how that is!!

Posted by: ette at December 19, 2012 10:14 AM (nqBYe)

7 LOL! Was there any ever doubt that no one is going to be specifically blamed for this clusterfuck? We're dealing with govt lifers here, add to that democrat ones. Blame is simply not something they ever deal with unless it's throwing it on someone else.

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)

8 Title edited for accuracy

Benghazi Coverup Report Released

Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2012 10:15 AM (53z96)

9 Department of State to employees: Drop Dead

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at December 19, 2012 10:15 AM (evdj2)

10 hell we might as well go on crime sprees , bump eachothers heads and well we're free and clear!

any mention of the possible syria- libya fast and furious thing?

Posted by: ette at December 19, 2012 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

11 And, of course, as we here already knew there was no protest at Benghazi before the pre-planned al Qaeda attack. (See the sock link.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 19, 2012 10:16 AM (jPVBi)

12 The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found
that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the
annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the
annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already
dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they
aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an
hour.




What time did Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty die?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:16 AM (da5Wo)

13 Making a controversy where there is none. You ghouls are all the same

Posted by: Liberal at December 19, 2012 10:16 AM (LNTC3)

14 >4 Americans, including an Ambassador, are dead and there will no “disciplinary action” recommended?


aaaaaand here's my shocked face :- |

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:17 AM (8sCoq)

15 "Snore."

-MFM

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 19, 2012 10:17 AM (I2LwF)

16 You worship a man of Africa, Jesus and paint him as a ghoul

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:17 AM (LNTC3)

17 Perhaps there was "no controlling legal authority" in this case?

Maybe? It could be. The SoS and PotUS just didn't know if they were allowed to act.

And they were all getting a live drone feed.

And whatever happened to General Ham? I wonder if he had any input on this so-called report?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:18 AM (Md8Uo)

18 We actually had reports from credible sources that Hillary had forwarded a request for security and it was denied.


There is only ONE person who could have shot that down and his name should have been in the report.

Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2012 10:18 AM (53z96)

19 Betrayal, that sums it all up. Those four brave Americans died for nothing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (QdVWw)

20 You despicable rats eliminated our glorious civilizations, which. Were fill of empathy, charity, and peace. You white ghouls invented war

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (QrpQP)

21 4 Americans, including an Ambassador, are dead and there will no “disciplinary action” recommended?



fox reports on henhouse raid: fox not responsible; chickens acted stupidly

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (8sCoq)

22 They should not be named. These are department heads, SRS.
If I remember right. You see, there was a purge of democratic leaning SRS on GB1. They are to the man, all anti-democratic leaning officials. Just a the reports the been quiet about the Military standdown, and the CIA standdown, the rescue ability was there, was available for use, and asking to go in to find the ambassador, but he was the supposed "October Suprise" for this election season.
Obama had to look weak. Just as Carter and Clinton had to appear weak back in their day. All bought to you by the MIC that Eisenhower warned us about.

Posted by: Jim B at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (OIAUQ)

23 Betrayal, that sums it all up. Those four brave Americans died for nothing.

They died because a certain someone didn't want to risk something that would affect his re-election chances.

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

24 Africans are superior to ghouls in every way

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (QrpQP)

25 Why did Ambassador Stevens have to be silenced?

Posted by: toby928© Puts on the Tin Foil at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (evdj2)

26 >Betrayal, that sums it all up. Those four brave Americans died for nothing.


well, we did get 0bama as 'person of the year', so there's that

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (8sCoq)

27 This is a second-order coverup.

A first-order coverup is when the government tries to cover it up.

A second-order coverup is when the govt tries to cover it up, and is actively abetted by the media.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (G29M8)

28 You keep us humans down with your voter ID laws

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (QrpQP)

29 Stevens was a ghoul on African land. He had to die

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:21 AM (QrpQP)

30 Those four brave Americans died for nothing.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:19 AM (QdVWw)



They died in service to this country. They died for honor, respect, duty, loyalty. We should honor that, even if those who should didn't and won't.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:21 AM (da5Wo)

31 Enough. Can some motherfucker with access to the BanHammer please get in here?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)

32 You ghouls invent AIDS and crack to destroy us, you are the bane of GAIA

Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (QrpQP)

33 Posted by: True African at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (QrpQP)

Quit spamming


Brevity is the soul of wit, Sparky

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (z9HTb)

34 so the Benghazi Accountability Review Board found no one accountable



still with the shocked face :- |

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (8sCoq)

35
-The short-term, transitory nature of Special Mission Benghazi’s staffing, with talented and committed, but relatively inexperienced, American personnel often on temporary assignments of 40 days or less, resulted in diminished institutional knowledge, continuity, and mission capacity.”

But they were "diverse." That's all that matters.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (yiIja)

36 Department of State to employees: Drop Dead
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at December 19, 2012 10:15 AM (evdj2)



Literally. Drop dead and hope the enrapening happens after the dying part.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (VtjlW)

37 Vic, who would that be? (scratches head)

Who is it in the Executive Branch of the Federal Government that can over rule the Secretary of State?
Postmaster General? nah
Secretary of HUD? nah
Malia? Sasha? Bo the water dog?
Who was the controlling legal authority? Can anyone answer this puzzle to me now? Anyone? Does anyone understand the Constitution? I mean, it's like over a hundred years old.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (Md8Uo)

38 We expect partisans to tell us were baracking up the wrong tree. They don't count.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (G29M8)

39 Heh.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/159960/


Apparently our Libyan embassies have military personnel _now_.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (/kI1Q)

40
The no information voters didn't care back in November so neither do I at this point.
Fuck it all. Let it burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM (ZETiK)

41 Interestingly, Petraeus' penis got him into this mess, and Hillary's vagina got her out.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 10:23 AM (/ZZCn)

42 . It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they
aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an
hour. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:16 AM (da5Wo)


Ummmm....yeah well in this case there was a Commander's in Extremis Force on stand-by at Sigonella that could have been there in 90 minutes. So I throw the bullshit flag on that one.

I'm sorry, when anyone in the entire (non) accountability chain hears the phrase "Embassy under fire" then assets should be launched right then and there. Period. They knew what was happening, they had a response capability, they did nothing.

I'd like to know why.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:23 AM (sbV1u)

43 4 Americans, including an Ambassador, are dead and there will no “disciplinary action” recommended?


There is no law, there is only power.

Corollary: If you have no power, no law will make them give a fuck.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 19, 2012 10:23 AM (Lxw+T)

44 Interestingly, Petraeus' penis got him into this mess, and Hillary's vagina got her out.
Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 10:23 AM (/ZZCn)



I don't want to think about either of those things.


I'm going to concentrate on the many talents of the Upton to get that image out of my head.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 19, 2012 10:24 AM (VtjlW)

45 Was there, in fact, a gunship overhead during the firefight? Has this ever been addressed?

Posted by: toby928© Puts on the Tin Foil at December 19, 2012 10:24 AM (evdj2)

46 BCochran, they died serving this country in full faith. Alas this country is a trollop who turned her back on them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:24 AM (QdVWw)

47 so is Mr. Obscure guy still in jail for His horrible deed in causing the deaths of ?

and when is He going to die for his part?

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:24 AM (nqBYe)

48 "Are we done here? Can I go home now?"

-the MFM

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (I2LwF)

49 Africans are superior to ghouls in every way

They are.

You can tell by their inability to provide potable water for their people.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (sbV1u)

50 Interestingly, Petraeus' penis got him into this mess, and Hillary's vagina got her out.


heh

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (z9HTb)

51 Well, that didn't take long.

Obama to Launch Gun Control Task Force
http://is.gd/e2dZfk

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (/kI1Q)

52 Ummmm....yeah well in this case there was a
Commander's in Extremis Force on stand-by at Sigonella that could have
been there in 90 minutes. So I throw the bullshit flag on that one.

I'm
sorry, when anyone in the entire (non) accountability chain hears the
phrase "Embassy under fire" then assets should be launched right then
and there. Period. They knew what was happening, they had a response
capability, they did nothing.

I'd like to know why.




Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:23 AM (sbV1u)


So do I. I was quoting Drew. And even if they couldn't get there in time to save the Stevens and Smith, they didn't know that at the time, the ex-SEALs were still fighting and there were people in the compound/annex/whatever that needed help.
My fucking rage meter is spiking again.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (da5Wo)

53 I'm going to concentrate on the many talents of the Upton to get that image out of my head. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 19, 2012 10:24 AM (VtjlW)

She awaits you in your IMAX theater.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (sbV1u)

54 add Video to Obscure guy*

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

55 25
Why did Ambassador Stevens have to be silenced?

Posted by: toby928© Puts on the Tin Foil at December 19, 2012 10:20 AM (evdj2)

Maybe that's just the standard procedure when operations fail, wrapping things up .He knew too many people and knew too much.Petreaus exit was also too convenient.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 19, 2012 10:26 AM (AWmfW)

56 So do I. I was quoting Drew.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:25 AM (da5Wo)

No, dude. I know. I meant to delete your hash and just go with his quote.

But I was so fucking mad I just hit "post" too quick.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (sbV1u)

57 oh man Kate Upton in IMAX would be awesome

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (8sCoq)

58 Mr. Bannion @ 42

You've now been told "why" by this report. As a good citizen, you should now return to your tasks. Your government has done its duty. I'm sure that will be the message communicated by the major media talking heads today.

All is well citizens. We have the report here in hand. Go back to your lives.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (Md8Uo)

59 The strongest indication of Shrillary taking herself out of the running for 2016 would be a permanent blowoff of testifying regardless of the health of her dinged coconut.

If she comes around to a later hearing she's keeping the doors open.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (aZ6ew)

60 But I was so fucking mad I just hit "post" too quick.



Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (sbV1u)



Right there with you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:28 AM (da5Wo)

61 being a Dem means never having to take responsiblity for being irresponsible or death or 300+ mexicans or dead ameicans!

this is truly giving until it hurts.

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:28 AM (nqBYe)

62 55 Days at Peiking. Boxer Rebellion cuts off the legations of the US, Russia, Italy, Germany, England, Japan, Turkey, and others. A relief force was assembled, smashed the Boxers, and rescued the survivors of the legations.

Or more recently there was the Mayaguez Incident.
http://www.mayaguezincident.com/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:28 AM (QdVWw)

63 Hmmm. So it's really no one's fault then?

Is *anyone* in this administration ever to blame for *anything*? They have no accountability whatsoever and so will continue their flagrant disregard for the law and the truth.

And IIRC, the dept of state was alerted several times about the horrendous security situation in Benghazi by the people there? And perhaps they should have taken the British consul leaving the place after an attack as a clue that maybe, just maybe, their folks should have a lot more and better security, or even leave Benghazi?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 19, 2012 10:29 AM (6zgse)

64 Mr. Bannion @ 42 You've now been told "why" fuck you by this report. As a good citizen, you should now return to your tasks. Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:27 AM (Md8Uo)

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:29 AM (sbV1u)

65 >Maybe that's just the standard procedure when operations fail, wrapping
things up .He knew too many people and knew too much.Petreaus exit was
also too convenient.


cap it off with hillary 'not tonight darling, I have a headache' and it's time to wrap it up

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:29 AM (8sCoq)

66 Hillary
And she's sick and has a headache.


That's just code for womens trouble. You know, the monthly visitor. Musn't expect to much from her on those days. She'll be right as rain in a week or so. Kinda feelin bloaty and stuff and really doesn't want to go out.

Posted by: Bruce at December 19, 2012 10:29 AM (Q6u7O)

67 Dude, she hasn't had her period in like 45 years

Posted by: Truman North (D) at December 19, 2012 10:30 AM (I2LwF)

68 Why are the relatives of these four dead Americans not shouting at the top of their lungs to any media outlet that will provide them a mic? Wouldn't you?

I know the MSM may not cooperate, but there are still sources out there....

Posted by: Icedog at December 19, 2012 10:30 AM (9ScGj)

69 They could have just used a Ouija board to assemble this report for all the good it will do.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 19, 2012 10:31 AM (Lxw+T)

70 Icedog, or where is the access to the others that were there and now recovering from the ordeal?

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:31 AM (nqBYe)

71 Yeah. When the government lies like this, it is really a big "fuck you" to the citizens.

Get used to four long years of our government telling us to fuck off. But it will be done professionally, of course.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:32 AM (Md8Uo)

72 No one's fault really. Shit happens, you know. Can't really do anything about it.

Posted by: shorter at December 19, 2012 10:32 AM (bAGA/)

73 You know what? The longer I think about it, the more pissed off I get.


What exactly was the fucking point of this?


The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found
that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the
annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the
annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already
dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they
aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an
hour.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (da5Wo)

74

What did you expect?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (NI8Ku)

75 Dude, she hasn't had her period in like 45 years


Posted by: Truman North

We don't know that, and I sure as hell ain't gonna check.
Besides, if you're married, that bloaty excuse can be used for years after.

Posted by: Bruce at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (Q6u7O)

76 Is *anyone* in this administration ever to blame for *anything*?

They should have hired Nakoula and then arrested him. See? We police our own.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (Lxw+T)

77 Okay, I didn't read the link but are the "certain senior State Department officials" ever named? Because fuck yes they should be named and shamed and fucking fired.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Burn you all to ashes, SMOD at December 19, 2012 10:11 AM (VtjlW)
------

That's rhetorical, isn't it?

Accountability....pffft.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (fWAjv)

78 no one in this administration is responsible

now, if Benghazi had happened with a republican president, we'd have already seen several Hollywood movies on the subject, and the race for the Pulitzer Prize for reporting on the story would be in full swing

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:34 AM (8sCoq)

79 So Stevens was chosen for His roll as Ambassador by Obama' s crew, If this is how they treat their own party members in a crisis, it doesn't look so good for us that are their political opponents that they actually call enemies.

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:34 AM (nqBYe)

80 Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:31 AM (nqBYe)

Good point...within 24 hours of the school tragedy, every surviving adult (and half the kids) were being interviewed by every network. Where are the fuckin Benghazi survivors?

Posted by: Icedog at December 19, 2012 10:35 AM (9ScGj)

81
There seems to be quite a few questions unaddressed by this "report," like what happened to the survivors that we don't hear from, and also the real reasons why top military brass were suddenly relieved of command in the weeks following the attack.

I know I'm flagellating a deceased equine by expecting TFG and his band of Merry Marxists to ever reveal the truth.

You know what'd really be interesting? Some group of writers who could maybe ask some questions about what actually happened. And they could, oh I don't know, maybe have their findings somehow published for the public, so that we could make some sort of informed decision about who we elect to office...and possibly keep out the bad ones.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 10:36 AM (yiIja)

82 Benghazi Accountability Review Board report in a nutshell:



"Yes. Terrible business, that."

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:37 AM (8sCoq)

83 Well, I'm satisfied. Nothing to see here. Move along, citizens.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 19, 2012 10:38 AM (nHMBg)

84
Of course, it would be swept under the rug. Just like Fast and Furious and any other number of incompetent and/or purposely malicious things they get away with. The old "if it was a republican...." still applies.

4 dead in Benghazi.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2012 10:38 AM (69Mdf)

85
"The Board determined that U.S. personnel on the ground in Benghazi performed with courage and readiness to risk their lives to protect their colleagues, in a near impossible situation. The Board members believe every possible effort was made to rescue and recover Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith. "



Liars.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:38 AM (Md8Uo)

86 In the weeks and months leading up to the attacks, the response from
post, Embassy Tripoli, and Washington to a deteriorating security
situation was inadequate. At the same time, the SMC’s dependence on the
armed but poorly skilled Libyan February 17 Martyrs’ Brigade (February
17) militia members and unarmed, locally contracted Blue Mountain Libya
(BML) guards for security support was misplaced.

And we have people that think we should rely on a fat speeding ticket writing cop to come to our rescue when the shit hits OUR fan.

When they kill us, no one will be at fault either.

Posted by: Bruce at December 19, 2012 10:38 AM (Q6u7O)

87 There is not a service member in uniform in the entire Mediterranean basin who, knowing what was going on at the Embassy, still would have opted to stay home.

Bullshit. Just fucking bullshit.

And there was Panetta a couple days later saying there was too much "Monday morning quarterbacking" going on. Fuck you, Leon. Fuck you and your entire staff while you were all sitting there in the JOC watching it all go down via drone feed, and then having the chutzpah to lie to us and tell us proles what the "real deal" is.

Poll any 100 military members and ask them what they'd do in that situation - 97 of them would say "let's go." Everyone this administration would say, "What's for dinner?"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:39 AM (sbV1u)

88 Rest assured, folks, when John Kerry takes the helm, things will be different.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 10:39 AM (/ZZCn)

89 Fritz @ 88

That was funny but also made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:40 AM (Md8Uo)

90 Betrayal is not just a river in Africa!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 10:40 AM (XYYg2)

91 Rest assured, folks, when John Kerry takes the helm, things will be different.


Hunt's will be purged from American embassy kitchens.

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 10:42 AM (z9HTb)

92
There it is, all wrapped up with a pretty bow just for the families of the dead.

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 19, 2012 10:42 AM (69Mdf)

93 What exactly was the fucking point of this? Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:33 AM (da5Wo)

His point was, "Because we couldn't rescue them in time, then we shouldn't even try. We should not then go there ASAP, develop some intelligence, and kill every last one of those fucking savages. Because hey, those security personnel knew what they were getting themselves into. Eggs. Omelet. Some disassembly required."

That's his point.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:42 AM (sbV1u)

94
Rest assured, folks, when John Kerry (who served in Viet Nam)takes the helm, things will be different.

FIFY.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (yiIja)

95 Lurch Forward! - State Department Motto under new leadership

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (/ZZCn)

96 I'm sickened by the fact that this doesn't surprise or outrage me. I really thought it would have taken longer to become this jaded.

ugh.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (P47hr)

97
Maybe the families should speak the fuck up. If they don't, I have to assume they are okay with the investigation.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (jWwDJ)

98 Speaking of useless reports from Obama.....

News is he is setting up a...drum roll please....TASK FORCE to study gun violence and make recommendations. LOL. Looks like Axelrod took a couple of polls over the weekend and saw that people don't really want gun control after all. So he will create a task force, 3 months later it will release a 1500 page report that nobody will read. And that will be the end of it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (HDgX3)

99 For this administration the point is brutally clear. Everyone is expendable to protect the Dear Leader. Stevens, Petraeus, and Susan Rice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (QdVWw)

100 97


Maybe the families should speak the fuck up. If they don't, I have to assume they are okay with the investigation.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 19, 2012 10:44 AM (jWwDJ)

____________________
Speak up where? You think CNN or the NYT will cover what they have to say? Fox News will. Conservative blogs will. And?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:45 AM (HDgX3)

101 Just the thought of Hillary Clinton on the rag just made my brown eye pucker up a little.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 10:45 AM (XYYg2)

102 I actually expected at least a token low level nobody to get hung out to dry. Never imagined this outcome.

...the brazen "Fuck you America" attitude of this administration can't even be charted any longer.

Posted by: Icedog at December 19, 2012 10:46 AM (9ScGj)

103 Hollywood is producing a timely film about this based on true events. Titled "Gentle Benghazi," it's a coming of age and coming out story about a brave ambassador struggling for gay tolerance in the midst of the Arab Spring, until one day two conservative Republican tycoon brothers pay a filmmaker to blaspheme Islam and start a counter-revolution because they hate black presidents. Starring George Clooney and featuring Ed Asner as Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 19, 2012 10:46 AM (Lxw+T)

104 "The Board determined that U.S. personnel on the ground in Benghazi
performed with courage and readiness to risk their lives to protect
their colleagues, in a near impossible situation. The Board members
believe every possible effort was made to rescue and recover Ambassador
Stevens and Sean Smith. "


You know who I'd like to hear from? I'd like to hear from GEN Carter Ham, the AFRICOM Commander that night. Perhaps something like...

"General Ham, did AFRICOM have the capability to assist the Embassy staff? If so, why was it not used?"

He got "retired" in an awful hurry and has been AWOL since. I'm sure they're holding his retirement over his head....and he's waiting for the game clock to wind down until that threat is gone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:46 AM (sbV1u)

105 His point was, "Because we couldn't rescue them in
time, then we shouldn't even try. We should not then go there ASAP,
develop some intelligence, and kill every last one of those fucking
savages. Because hey, those security personnel knew what they were
getting themselves into. Eggs. Omelet. Some disassembly required."

That's his point.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:42 AM (sbV1u)


That's the vibe I'm getting. And he only mentioned Smith and Stevens. I guess fuck Woods, Doherty and all the others that were on site, right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 10:47 AM (da5Wo)

106 The report further finds that 95% of the electorate think Benghazi is a new Soap Opera star on the Young and Restless thus this case can be closed.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 10:47 AM (m2CN7)

107 >>>Starring George Clooney and featuring Ed Asner as Hillary Clinton.

Brian Dennehey will portray Leon Panetta.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 10:48 AM (/ZZCn)

108
Starring George Clooney and featuring Ed Asner as Hillary Clinton.

And, in a special appearance, Brian Dennehey as Libya.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 10:48 AM (yiIja)

109 Every single person who has ever touched a gun is a co-conspirator of the Connecticut massacre and should be gassed.

Yet not a soul is responsible for Benghazi.

Welcome to America, circa 2012....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:48 AM (HDgX3)

110 Ah yes.
When liberal government meets liberal journalism meets ends justifies the means.
But, hey, as long as everyone gets their phone and their weed what's the big deal?

Posted by: Lazarus at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (q4ggw)

111 It looks like Gen. Carter Ham is still on the job. In Nigeria it seems.
http://tinyurl.com/d9vwx2c

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (QdVWw)

112 how did the Benghazi Accountability Review Board not find 'the previous administration's' policies were at fault?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (8sCoq)

113 Washington — The Obama administration said Wednesday it will sell 40 percent of its remaining stake in General Motors Co. back to the automaker — and said it plans to completely exit the Detroit automaker by March 2014.

The Detroit automaker said it will purchase 200 million shares of GM stock held by Treasury for $5.5 billion — or $27.50 per share — nearly $2 above the stock's closing price on Tuesday.

The U.S. Treasury — after more than a year of refusing to say when it might start selling its remaining stake in GM — said it willannounce a written plan in January to shed its remaining 300 million shares over the next 12 to 15 months - likely a series of small stock sales.

The exit plan may prove to be a boost to GM's lagging stock price and to some car buyers, who have avoided GM because of the "Government Motors" label.

Posted by: Lee Iacocca at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (e8kgV)

114 Hillary has her hands full talking with Mexico in order to get Jon Hammar released from prison.



Silly me. Jay Carney didn't even fucking know about it it seemed.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 10:50 AM (fWAjv)

115 It always amazes me that the average voter holds the pols to a lower standard of accountability than they demand from they guy in the drive-through window at McD's.

Posted by: Invictus at December 19, 2012 10:50 AM (OQpzc)

116 >But, hey, as long as everyone gets their phone and their weed what's the big deal?



Posted by: Lazarus at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (q4ggw)

don't forget the Brawndo (it's got electrolytes)

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:50 AM (8sCoq)

117 Ken Burns is also making a 17 hour PBS documentary on Benghazi, showing that the roots of the entire debacle are white racism.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 19, 2012 10:51 AM (Lxw+T)

118 If I had a 17/18 year old kid who was thinking of joining the military I'd slap them silly until they got that idea out of their heads.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:51 AM (HDgX3)

119 ::oll any 100 military members and ask them what they'd do in that situation - 97 of them would say "let's go."::;

We were begging to be let off the leash when we were shown the photo of SSG Bill Cleveland's body bein dragged naked through Mogadishu. It's for damn sure any service member over there would have been raring to go.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 19, 2012 10:51 AM (nHMBg)

120
It always amazes me that the average voter holds the pols to a lower
standard of accountability than they demand from they guy in the
drive-through window at McD's.



You need to show an ID to work the drive-through window at McD's (I-9).

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 10:51 AM (/kI1Q)

121 Sean, and they made sure to flame Petraeus well before He was able to be more forthcoming.

nice trick .

takes me ll the way back to the 1st election of Obama and everyone being maligned 24/7 to cover for Obama's past.

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:52 AM (nqBYe)

122 The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an hour.

The Ambassador and Smith may have already been dead, but there were many others at the Benghazi location who were still alive and well and should have evinced a speedy reaction. Doherty and Woods weren't killed until approximately 0515 the next day (page 27), and several other individuals were severely wounded in that time, too, such that the medical care they received upon reaching Tripoli saved their lives (also p27), otherwise there'd be SIX dead Americans instead of "just" four.

Between the start of the attack and 0500 there was plenty of time to have sent in an armed drone to take out the fucking terrorists. The report details how UNARMED drones were dispatched to monitor the evacuation. Hey, how about slapping a bomb to one of them and crashing it into the bad guys?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)

123 what ever happened to Walpin?

Sheryl Atkinson is a very brave woman.

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 10:52 AM (nqBYe)

124 >Ken Burns is also making a 17 hour PBS documentary on Benghazi, showing that the roots of the entire debacle are white racism.


I LOL'ed because it's so truthy

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 10:53 AM (8sCoq)

125 Who was the controlling legal authority? Can anyone
answer this puzzle to me now? Anyone? Does anyone understand the
Constitution? I mean, it's like over a hundred years old.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch thinks he is Eddie Willers, NOT! at December 19, 2012 10:22 AM


In every case over the past four years, corruption, incompetence, commission of felonies and plain old hatred for America and her people has been covered up, excused and brushed aside.

There is only ONE person responsible for the disaster at Benghazi, just as there was only ONE person responsible for FF. Yet his name is unmentioned by the MFM (and, it goes without saying, by so many "conservative" pundits) except in terms of reverence and unstinting praise.

The time has long since come when Obama should be held accountable for what was done by his minions at his direction. That he emerges scot-free from every act of treason is a frightening indictment of what this once-great nation has become.

Obama has won: we have become a third-world shithole that can't even protect its own citizens, much less allies.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 19, 2012 10:53 AM (yKUrR)

126 Ok.... sooooooo...

Why was Stevens there? What was the CIA annex there doing that would forment an attack on IT (by a reported hundreds of bad guys)?

What about the report that Stevens was there to thank a Farmer for saving an America Pilot who had been shot down? (HUH? We lost a PLANE during an undeclared War?).

What about the Gun running into Syria? Which is STILL going on by all reports.

And finally.... what about the COVER UP? Why? Why HIDE all the witnesses?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 10:54 AM (lZBBB)

127
It always amazes me that the average voter holds the pols to a lower standard of accountability than they demand from they guy in the drive-through window at McD's.

Not to fuss, but it's not our fault the pols have no accountability. That's just the way they're made.

What's sad is that we do expect accountability and we're not getting it from this Clown Show. It's almost as if we were lied to by the MFM prior to the election...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 19, 2012 10:54 AM (yiIja)

128 Wait a second? Wasn't the consulate in a "VIOLENCE FREE ZONE"? How could this have happened in the first place? Fucking Tea Party NRA assholes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:54 AM (HDgX3)

129 It looks like Gen. Carter Ham is still on the job. In Nigeria it seems. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:49 AM (QdVWw)

Anna, true, he is nominally still the Combatant Commander. However, it is not customary to announce a replacement for a Combatant Command until the incumbent has either submitted his retirement paperwork, or has his next assignment announced. As a similar "shut your fucking yap" precedent I offer you the case of GEN Eric Shinseki when he pointed out the glaringly obvious truth that we'd need about 300K troops to do Iraq right. Rummy did not appreciate it.

So with Ham we have GEN Rodriguez was announced as the replacement.

Inside the E Ring that's a nice way of saying, "Nice retirement you have there. Be a shame if anything were to happen to it."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:54 AM (sbV1u)

130 109
Every single person who has ever touched a gun is a co-conspirator of the Connecticut massacre and should be gassed.

Yet not a soul is responsible for Benghazi.

Welcome to America, circa 2012....


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:48 AM (HDgX3)

FF , the government gave knowingly guns to murderous criminals who surprisingly murder.
But citizens shouldn't be trusted with guns.
Government here to help.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 19, 2012 10:55 AM (AWmfW)

131 So the taxpayer takes about a $30B haircut to keep the suckers of cock in the UAW in power. And that doesn't count the outright loans that will never be paid back.

Posted by: Vic at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (53z96)

132 If only Libya had implemented some common sense gun control, this would not have happened.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (HDgX3)

133 Gen Shinseki could be on fire and I would not put him out. Black berets made in the PRC and Stryker anyone? Now he is Obama's VA guy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (QdVWw)

134 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 10:51 AM (HDgX3)

I recently warned my active duty Son about being careful about what he was writing in emails.... because they ARE being monitored, especialy those coming in and out of the US (hes in Guam)....

Trust me.... at least anecdotaly... the military is NOT happy....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (lZBBB)

135 Gen Shinseki could be on fire and I would not put him out. Black berets made in the PRC and Stryker anyone? Now he is Obama's VA guy. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (QdVWw)

Petty BS compared to being right about a major contingency op.

Shit, it wasn't even an opinion. History backed him up.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 10:59 AM (sbV1u)

136 131 So the taxpayer takes about a $30B haircut to keep the suckers of cock in the UAW in power. And that doesn't count the outright loans that will never be paid back.


There is no law, there is only power.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Hillary fainted from tight Spanx at December 19, 2012 10:59 AM (Lxw+T)

137 The seven-person response team from Embassy Tripoli arrived in Benghazi to lend support. It arrived at the Annex about 0500 local. Less than fifteen minutes later, the Annex came under mortar and RPG attack, with five mortar rounds impacting close together in under 90 seconds. Three rounds hit the roof of an Annex building, killing security officers Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty. The attack also severely injured one ARSO and one Annex security team member. Annex, Tripoli, and ARSO security team members at other locations moved rapidly to provide combat first aid to the injured.

At approximately 0630 local, all U.S. government personnel evacuated with support from a quasi-governmental Libyan militia. They arrived at the airport without incident. The DoD unarmed surveillance aircraft provided visual oversight during the evacuation. Embassy Tripoli lost communication with the convoy at one point during transit, but quickly regained it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:00 AM (4df7R)

138 I feel sick, how can so many people just turn their backs on this, you think just one person (in the know) would be so outraged that they would to do the right thing. I never thought I would see so much cover up and excuses and lies coming from every corner. Is there not one person out there willing to do the hard thing.
I'm so freaking depressed by all of this.

Posted by: spypeach at December 19, 2012 11:01 AM (pwTow)

139 Sorry Sean. Shinseki is another Gen. McPeak. I am going to change things because I can. Screw the troops and oh yeah screw the budget.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:01 AM (QdVWw)

140 Trust me.... at least anecdotaly... the military is NOT happy....

Except the Marines who got gays-engaged at the WH.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 11:02 AM (/kI1Q)

141 Let it burn.

Posted by: maddogg at December 19, 2012 11:03 AM (OlN4e)

142 Sorry Sean. Shinseki is another Gen. McPeak. I am going to change things because I can. Screw the troops and oh yeah screw the budget. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:01 AM (QdVWw)

Hey, I'm not a fanboi here. I wasn't happy with him either - and I am not happy with his performance at the VA.

But it does not change the facts. He was right, he was silenced for being right, and the same thing is happening now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:03 AM (sbV1u)

143 Where are the Benghazi survivors? I really am interested to see if we will ever hear from them. The lawlessness of this administration should be enough to curl our toes. It is downright scary.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 11:03 AM (XYYg2)

144
Trust me.... at least anecdotaly... the military is NOT happy....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 10:57 AM (lZBBB)

______________
I have no doubt they're unhappy. The thing is Obama's fucked up the economy so badly a lot of people in the military don't have many options if they want to leave. And no I don't mean to sound like John F. Kerry here. I'm saying there's no jobs out there and if you have a job in the military, even if you hate your boss, you'll probably stick around.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 11:04 AM (HDgX3)

145 I never thought I would see so much cover up and
excuses and lies coming from every corner. Is there not one person out
there willing to do the hard thing.

I'm so freaking depressed by all of this.



Posted by: spypeach at December 19, 2012 11:01 AM (pwTow)
This.
Those we used to hold up, as Heros
nada.Pereaus , Ham. nada.
self serving.hiding like the cowards they have become



Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 11:06 AM (nqBYe)

146 >
Where are the Benghazi survivors? I really am interested to see if we will ever hear from them.


they have been reassigned and are unavailable

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:06 AM (8sCoq)

147 So I guess Shinseki was right like a broke clock? Shinseki is too much a political animal, his outburst on the 300k might be right in hindsight but why was he doing it back then? Vendetta against Rumsfeld? Or just merely doing a CYA like way too many in DC do, hedge bets and offer 'what ifs' in case things do go sideways? I do not trust the word and honor of the man.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:06 AM (QdVWw)

148 Protect the king

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:07 AM (8sCoq)

149
Yawn. Anyone who works for the Obama Regime should have known from Day 1 that their life is expendable. All that matters is that Obama was re-elected and that HiLIARy is elected in 2016.I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter. So I reallycouldn'tgive acrap.


Posted by: General Doonothing at December 19, 2012 11:07 AM (x9s9/)

150 I can't read the PDF now, but did they cover why the reaction force from Tripoli gt stuck at the Benghazi airport?

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:09 AM (SgWU/)

151 The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an hour."

The problems with this statement abound:

1) At what point was State/CIA aware that the ambassador was dead? They know NOW when he died, but what did they know at the time and when did they know it? If you didn't find out the Ambassador and Smith were dead until...8 or 10 hours later, it sort of throws away this excuse - and it is an excuse.

2) How long did the fight at the annex last? Was it not worthwhile to deploy, or attempt to deploy, military assets for a fight that was STILL happening?

The fact is that the US Government - possibly by the direct order of the State Department or WH left our people to die.

This needs to be repeated over and over and over until it becomes as common as 'Bush lied people died'.

Obama ordered no assistance for Americans in danger and left them to die.

Posted by: blindside at December 19, 2012 11:10 AM (x7g7t)

152 143 Where are the Benghazi survivors? I really am interested to see if we will ever hear from them. The lawlessness of this administration should be enough to curl our toes. It is downright scary.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 11:03 AM (XYYg2)


Why do you think Gitmo is still open?
-----
“My understanding is that we still have some people in the hospital. I’d like to visit with them and wish them nothing but the best but the State Department has seen it unfit for me to know who those people are—or even how many there are,” Rep. Chaffetz said. "I don’t know who they are. I don’t know where they live. I don’t know what state they’re from. I don’t even know how many there are. It doesn’t seem right to me."

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 11:10 AM (fWAjv)

153 150 I can't read the PDF now, but did they cover why the reaction force from Tripoli gt stuck at the Benghazi airport?


The TSA had to grope them. Can't be too careful.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Hillary fainted from tight Spanx at December 19, 2012 11:11 AM (Lxw+T)

154 The Accountability Board has found that certain parties showed a lack of responsibility and restraint in preventing the incident which occurred in your mouth two minutes ago.

However, it is the finding of The Board that no one particular individual deserves sanction for what unexpectedly transpired in your mouth. The Board recommends no punishment and further recommends that you stop whining, brush your teeth, and get me a beer already.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 11:13 AM (SY2Kh)

155 and that HiLIARy is elected in 2016.>>

Can an old fainting goat really get elected President?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 11:13 AM (81UWZ)

156 I do not trust the word and honor of the man. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:06 AM (QdVWw)

Well, since I actually worked directly with (but not for) him 1996-1998, I have some background you don't have. He's a political animal - everyone at 3-star and above is because only at the LTG level do you need to have a champion in Congress to get promoted. Up to MG, the Senate approves promotions pretty much pro forma. At LTG and above, the SASC meets to approve the nomination.

Shinseki does what he thinks is right, the hell with the consequences. That's the guy I know. Personally. Now we can argue over whether or not his decisions make sense, and I do. I'm sure you and I agree on exactly which of those decisions were stupid.

But what I don't question is his honor or his desire to do the right thing as he sees it. He'll make the call and let the chips fall where they may. That's honor.

How many guys or gals do you know or know of at that level who would even take the risk to their career? I can count them on less than two hands....and most of them are Marines.

That's really my point.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:13 AM (sbV1u)

157 This regime is going to make these survivors disappear and nothing will come out of any of this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 11:14 AM (XYYg2)

158 This is a preview to the accountability of ObamaCare. In the future if your relatives die because of some medical or bureaucratic screw-ups, do not expect there to be any consequences, just excuses, and maybe not even that.

My dad recently died in a German hospital, after what I think was a botched surgery (he got an internal infection that killed him within a week). All they said was: "sad, but these things happen".

Posted by: DinkumThinkum at December 19, 2012 11:15 AM (TeVqG)

159 >>>.I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter. So I reallycouldn'tgive acrap.

AAAANND Your a dick.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:16 AM (0q2P7)

160 @154

If only the government had the brevity and succinct honesty of this reply, we could save billions in review boards and committe hearings. So we could spend it instead on free rubbers and gun control.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Hillary fainted from tight Spanx at December 19, 2012 11:17 AM (Lxw+T)

161 1) At what point was State/CIA aware that the ambassador was dead?

Page 26 of the PDF:

"U.S. efforts to determine Ambassador Stevens’ whereabouts were unsuccessful for several hours. At approximately 0200 local, Embassy Tripoli received a phone call from ARSO 1’s cell phone, which he had given to the Ambassador while they were sheltered in the safe area. A male, Arabic-speaking caller said an unresponsive male who matched the physical description of the Ambassador was at a hospital. There was confusion over which hospital this might be, and the caller was unable to provide a picture of the Ambassador or give any other proof that he was with him. There was some concern that the call might be a ruse to lure American personnel into a trap. With the Benghazi Medical Center (BMC) believed to be dangerous for American personnel due to the possibility attackers were being treated there, a Libyan contact of the Special Mission was dispatched to the BMC and later confirmed the Ambassador’s identity and that he was deceased."

So 0200 was the first time they had any idea where the Ambassador might be. Whether or not the body belonged to Ambassador Stevens was only confirmed by their Libyan contact after finally figuring out where this Arabic speaking male was located. And sorry, but I still wouldn't 100% trust that confirmation. Not until an American contact laid eyes on the Ambassador's body.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:18 AM (4df7R)

162 Benghazi Accountability Review Board Report Released


"Baby, I only hit you because I love you so much."


"Well... okay."

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:19 AM (8sCoq)

163 I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter. So I reallycouldn'tgive acrap.

Then you're a fucking idiot.

They wore the uniform of the United States. That alone makes them worthy of consideration - not their politics.

When everything in your life is turned into something political, then you've self-identified as a very, very small person.

....and as a fucking idiot.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:19 AM (sbV1u)

164 Posted by: blindside at December 19, 2012 11:10 AM (x7g7t)

I'd add in one point....

The US Navy was conspicuous in its abscense. That there were NO US Navy ships off the coast of a Port that is KNOWN to be running Guns? That only happens when directed by Civilian Political Authority.

A single US Navy Burke Destroyer would have been able to not only land a Security Force, but could have used 5 inch shore fire to support the CIA Annex.

One thing... when the Navy is at Sea, it is READY to respond... all the crew is onboard, you don't have to call them in, or fly them somewhere... there can be battle ready within MINUTES.

Yet... no Navy to Enforce the Embargos on both Libya, and Syria???

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:20 AM (lZBBB)

165 I yelled at a female Marine, junior to me, because I would tell her over and over that her perfume was overpowering. One day she came into the bay, I was leaning over a stereoscope, but I knew she was in the bay. I yelled, "JESUS CHRIST! CAN YOU WEAR LESS PERFUME LCpl! MAY!" She yelled "Don't take the lords name in vain!" I yelled, "Then Stop smelling like a whorehouse." This was across a complete bay. I SMELLED HER! from across the bay. There were a lot of other WM's, but she was the only one who smelled like Harry Reids daycare.

I got wrote up. Lesson learned, no matter the infraction, no matter how blatant, no matter what, in a politically correct environment, a woman may never be held accountable.

Posted by: douglas at December 19, 2012 11:20 AM (7zzd8)

166 150 I can't read the PDF now, but did they cover why the reaction force from Tripoli gt stuck at the Benghazi airport?
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:09 AM (SgWU/)


No. And reading the report there was no Doherty and Woods either.

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 11:21 AM (fWAjv)

167 I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter. So I reallycouldn'tgive acrap.

Look, it's a talking asshole.

Get back to the set of Ace Ventura, you colossal prick.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:21 AM (4df7R)

168 No. And reading the report there was no Doherty and Woods either.
Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 11:21 AM (fWAjv)


They're first mentioned on page 27.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:22 AM (4df7R)

169 A single US Navy Burke Destroyer would have been able to not only land a Security Force, but could have used 5 inch shore fire to support the CIA Annex.

Ummmmm....yeah but you don't want to do that. You want boots on the ground.

I loves me artillery as much as the next guy, but not at the risk of all that extra damage.

They had a CIF at Signonella, they didn't use it and there's absolutely no excuse for that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:23 AM (sbV1u)

170 I am guessing Hillary doesn't want to openly lie to the panel; hence the diplomatic illness.

Posted by: votermom at December 19, 2012 11:23 AM (YMnGk)

171 I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter. So I reallycouldn'tgive acrap.

Really? And you know this how?

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)

172 Bannion, I'm fucking stewing over here. About the response during the attack of course, but honestly, mostly about what was written above on this site.


I'm gonna get myself banned if I'm not careful.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:24 AM (da5Wo)

173 No. And reading the report there was no Doherty and Woods either.


Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 11:21 AM (fWAjv)

Thats because this was a STATE Dept. Report.... they were CIA...

This is NOT a report on Benghazi... its a report on the very small part the State Dept. played... they did not talk to the DOD, or CIA... or any of those other three Letter Agencies involved.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:24 AM (lZBBB)

174 Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 10:45 AM (XYYg2)

Same here...I mean, bleeding from the Johnson monthly has got to be some terrible mutated combination of menstruation, the clap, and Ebola.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:24 AM (L8r/r)

175

>>> "sad, but these things happen".

yes, in the 19th century

sorry for your loss

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2012 11:25 AM (h8d0R)

176 Bannion, I'm fucking stewing over here. About the response during the attack of course, but honestly, mostly about what was written above on this site. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:24 AM (da5Wo)

We need to get you laid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

177 Union terrorists?

Posted by: grease monkey at December 19, 2012 11:26 AM (VSWPU)

178 >>>I would tell her over and over that her perfume was overpowering.

There's always one that has to marinate in a perfume bath. I had a LCDR that you could track like a bloodhound off of her sickeningly sweet cloud she drug with her everywhere.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:26 AM (0q2P7)

179 Then you're a fucking idiot.

They wore the uniform of the United States. That alone makes them worthy of consideration - not their politics.

When everything in your life is turned into something political, then you've self-identified as a very, very small person.

....and as a fucking idiot.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:19 AM (sbV1u)

Perfect. More eloquent than the "foad" i was gonna write.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 19, 2012 11:26 AM (P47hr)

180 169, correct. You use the naval gunfire after the evacuation.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:26 AM (iW2D2)

181 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:23 AM (sbV1u)

I don't think you understand the accuracy of a modern Naval Gun system... especialy once tied into Sat maps, and GPS...

Only question then becomes which building to take out...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (lZBBB)

182 We need to get you laid.


Yoo hoo!!!

*waves*

Posted by: Sandra "Chrome Trailer Hitch" Fluke at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)

183 We need to get you laid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:25 AM (sbV1u)


LMFAO

Not likely today, bro. Wife has a doc appt at 145pm and I do not expect her to be in a good mood when she gets home.
I did get laid a couple days ago though. So there's that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (da5Wo)

184
We need to get you laid.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:25 AM (sbV1u

----------------------
Hey Sailor!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (XYYg2)

185 tl;dr

I'm sure it was Bush's fault.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (KXm42)

186 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:13 AM (sbV1u)

300,000 was not a reasonble number. As with any job, the people on the ground believe the more the better.Unfortuantely, and you know this, there are many other factors that go alongdeciding the sufficient troop levels. 300,000 was a number he knew would be rejected. You say he was proven right. I say Iraq was a three week mission that was successful. I agree that additional troops after the overthrow would have allowed some different strategies but I'm talking surge numbers and not another 150,000.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (m2CN7)

187 They're first mentioned on page 27.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:22 AM (4df7R)

Oops. The report has a lot more pages than I though.

Who was the ass who said that SEAL/Obama BS? Tried to find it, has it been deleted?

Posted by: RWC at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (fWAjv)

188 Look folks... did you really expect Benghazi to get pinned on 0bama or Hillary? Or that anyone would be held accountable? Brought up on charges, indicted?

This administration Can. Do. No. Wrong. The President has a lifetime fireproof coating, carefully and lovingly applied by the media. Get used to it. Gonna be a long four years.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (8sCoq)

189 I don't think you understand the accuracy of a modern Naval Gun system... especialy once tied into Sat maps, and GPS...



Only question then becomes which building to take out...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (lZBBB)


Oh. This should be entertaining.
Bannion......

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:28 AM (da5Wo)

190 We need to get you laid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:25 AM (sbV1u)

Hey there, hot stuff

Posted by: Barney Frank at December 19, 2012 11:28 AM (P47hr)

191 169, correct. You use the naval gunfire after the evacuation. Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:26 AM (iW2D2)

Well hey, I didn't say that covering fire for the withdrawal was off limits!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:28 AM (sbV1u)

192 Alright, which one of you morons posted this add on craigslist?

http://tinyurl.com/d433u77

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 19, 2012 11:29 AM (53riN)

193 Let me guess.... "it was BUSH's FAULT" !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at December 19, 2012 11:30 AM (48wze)

194 Page 30:

Communication, cooperation, and coordination between Washington, Tripoli, and Benghazi occurred collegially at the working-level but were constrained by a lack of transparency, responsiveness, and leadership at senior bureau levels.

In other words, the guys on the ground and in the trenches who actually knew what was going on in Benghazi for the past year actually tried to do something to improve security, while their asshat "betters" dithered like a bunch of old women at a bake sale.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:30 AM (4df7R)

195 certain senior ... officials ... demonstrated a lack of ... ability appropriate for the State Department’s senior ranks ... [h]owever, ... did not ... willfully ignore his or her responsibilities

--------

Not guily by reason of incompetence!

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM (IrbU4)

196 I don't think you understand the accuracy of a modern Naval Gun system... especialy once tied into Sat maps, and GPS...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (lZBBB)


I don't think you understand the concept of Economy of Force. Or the Law of Warfare.

Quick question, what's the bursting radius of a 5" shell?

See the point yet?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM (sbV1u)

197 This administration Can. Do. No. Wrong. The President has a
lifetime fireproof coating, carefully and lovingly applied by the
media. Get used to it. Gonna be a long four years.


If Reagan was the Teflon President because nothing the media threw at him ever stuck what the hell do you call TFG?

The Force Field President?

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM (KXm42)

198 No such thing as bad news in Obamaworld. We won't survive another 4 years of this. It is a feature, not a bug. I weep for my country.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM (XYYg2)

199 Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (lZBBB)

Not as accurate as you think. I work with precision artillery guys...you'd still need boots on the ground with very specific training and equipment to get those results, not to mention specific shells that a DDG doesn't carry.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:32 AM (L8r/r)

200 As I recall, aren't all Marines supposed to be ready rifleman? That would make her perfume an OPSEC problem, so you could burn her fellow marines until their stink covered it.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:32 AM (JxJPF)

201 18 There is only ONE person who could have shot that down

--------

Valerie Jarret?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 19, 2012 11:32 AM (IrbU4)

202 I don't think you understand the concept of Economy of Force. Or the Law of Warfare.

Quick question, what's the bursting radius of a 5" shell?

See the point yet?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM (sbV1u)


No, no, no. Haven't you heard? Naval ships now have the ability to "implode" buildings rather than "explode" them.
Collateral Damage? That was a Schwarzenegger movie right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:33 AM (da5Wo)

203 If Reagan was the Teflon President because nothing the media threw at him ever stuck what the hell do you call TFG?>>

The Orgreenic President?

https://www.orgreenic.com/

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 11:33 AM (81UWZ)

204 The President has a lifetime fireproof coating, carefully and lovingly applied by the media.

With their tongues.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

205 Also page 30:

However, in DS, NEA, and at post, there appeared to be very real confusion over who, ultimately, was responsible and empowered to make decisions based on both policy and security considerations.

"Who the fuck runs this joint? The Frito Bandito?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:34 AM (4df7R)

206 It is a help for me to come here each morning for sanity :-) I read the news and hear what new fresh hell is perpetrated by this regime and want to scream. The worst part is knowing that NOTHING can or will be one. This has become a dictatorship. There is no longer any fight from those who are supposed to represent me, they are caving in as fast as possible in order to keep their "career" intact.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 19, 2012 11:35 AM (0dAoh)

207 Does everyfuckingthing have to be green? God people are such robots.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 11:35 AM (KXm42)

208 Obama is the off tackle President because the media never throws anything at him.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 11:35 AM (m2CN7)

209 >>>Not as accurate as you think.

This is where I say I really don't care. It was a coordinated attack on US Sovereign territory. The locals KNEW it was coming. If they both tolerated it and were stupid enough to remain in vicinity not my problem if they become collateral to me defending my turf and more importantly my people.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:36 AM (0q2P7)

210 what's the bursting radius of a 5" shell?

Piffle.

Posted by: M65 Atominc Cannon at December 19, 2012 11:36 AM (iXzYv)

211 Lucky for the Democrats they have a lot of team players in the MSM or this incident would have been problematic for them.



Posted by: General Woundwort at December 19, 2012 11:36 AM (RrD4h)

212 PP 30-31:

"Further shortfalls in Washington coordination were manifested by the flawed process by which Special Mission Benghazi’s extension until the end of December 2012 was approved, a decision that did not take security considerations adequately into account. The result was the continuation of Special Mission Benghazi with an uncertain future and a one-year expiration date that made allocations of resources for security upgrades and personnel assignments difficult.

"Another key driver behind the weak security platform in Benghazi was the decision to treat Benghazi as a temporary, residential facility, not officially notified to the host government, even though it was also a full time office facility. This resulted in the Special Mission compound being excepted from office facility standards and accountability under the Secure Embassy Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999 (SECCA) and the Overseas Security Policy Board (OSPB). Benghazi’s initial platform in November 2011 was far short of standards and remained so even in September 2012, despite multiple field-expedient upgrades funded by DS. (As a temporary, residential facility, SMC was not eligible for OBO-funded security upgrades.) A comprehensive upgrade and risk-mitigation plan did not exist, nor was a comprehensive security review conducted by Washington for Benghazi in 2012. The unique circumstances surrounding the creation of the mission in Benghazi as a temporary mission outside the realm of permanent diplomatic posts resulted in significant disconnects and support gaps."

Bureaucracy + secrecy = clusterfuck.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:37 AM (4df7R)

213 It is a help for me to come here each morning for sanity :-) I read the
news and hear what new fresh hell is perpetrated by this regime and want
to scream. The worst part is knowing that NOTHING can or will be one.
This has become a dictatorship. There is no longer any fight from those
who are supposed to represent me, they are caving in as fast as possible
in order to keep their "career" intact.


Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.


Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 11:37 AM (GQ8sn)

214 For BCochran since it seems his cheerleader harem is not enough.
http://www.warbirdconnection.com/images/invader2/A-26_2o.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:38 AM (QdVWw)

215 >facepalm<

Atomic

Posted by: M65 Atomic Cannon at December 19, 2012 11:38 AM (iXzYv)

216 President Obamaaaa......what about yer gaaaaaaaaffsss????

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 11:38 AM (KXm42)

217 If Reagan was the Teflon President because nothing the media threw at him ever stuck what the hell do you call TFG? The Force Field President?


Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 11:31 AM


Long ago, Vic pointed out that Choom Boy is protected by a thick, shiny coat of Blackdemocratium. Nothing -- absolutely nothing, up to and including a 50-megaton nuke -- can penetrate that.

Interesting paradox that Time magazine can name the worst president in U.S. history as its "Person of the Year" even while he should be in the dock for treason. But you can count on President Historic First© skating with legacy intact even as he destroys the nation.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 19, 2012 11:38 AM (yKUrR)

218 Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 11:27 AM (m2CN7)


300,000 was not a reasonable number.

It was if you planned to stay, which where he was going with that number. He understood, because history proves it, that Stability Operations are required for a period of time and they are intensely manpower driven.

As with any job, the people on the ground believe the more the better. Unfortunately, and you know this, there are many other factors that go along deciding the sufficient troop levels

There sure are. But a 75K combat "tooth" in the modern military requires about a 175-200K "tail." That's the way it works when you decide to swap human lives for technology. That's just the way we roll. Ask an AH-64 mechanic how much down time those things require - and that's only ONE weapons system. The other 25-30K would have been in Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, or Saudi.

300,000 was a number he knew would be rejected.

Not buying it. Proof please. No, the Psychic Network Channel will not be accepted as proof.

You say he was proven right.

He was. If your goal was to establish stability so we wouldn't be back there in 10 years. On the other hand....

I say Iraq was a three week mission that was successful.

And you're right, if your goal was to smash the Iraqi military and let the internal civil war begin. Because that way, at least they wouldn't be bothering us.

I agree that additional troops after the overthrow would have allowed some different strategies but I'm talking surge numbers and not another 150,000

So you've granted my premise (and Shinseki's) so now you want to argue over exact troop levels. And that's a good debate actually. Not one I am going to have today though. ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:39 AM (sbV1u)

219 For BCochran since it seems his cheerleader harem is not enough.
http://www.warbirdconnection.com/images/invader2/A-26_2o.jpg


*salutes*

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 11:39 AM (GQ8sn)

220 Polynikes, the problem in Iraq was that at week six we should have been rolling thru Aleppo or Qom. Making the stability operation the visible face of success was a mistake, or more accurately letting the press define the stability mission as the performance metric.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:40 AM (LKr5H)

221 Sean I guess with regards to Shinseki we will agree to disagree. I have never met the man. I just remember doing emergency destruct because of the EP-3 downing and Shinseki was pushing forward for his )^(*$#$%$%^Z black berets for everyone and buying them from the guys holding the EP-3 crew captive. Clouds my judgement.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:40 AM (QdVWw)

222 If they both
tolerated it and were stupid enough to remain in vicinity not my problem
if they become collateral to me defending my turf and more importantly
my people.


Last I checked, shrapnel doesn't discriminate between the enemy, local civilians, and the people you're trying to defend.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 11:41 AM (SY2Kh)

223 172 I'm gonna get myself banned if I'm not careful.

I can't claim to know a whole hell of a lot about anything of a truly substantive nature - but I'm completely confident in my knowledge that it ain't worth all that.

Fuck fucking trolls.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 19, 2012 11:41 AM (YesJa)

224 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:36 AM (0q2P7)

Here's were I do care: if we're talking NGFS to stave off the consulate attackers, we're talking about "Danger Close" impacts. In other words, impacts within 600 meters of your own people. Without the precision munitions and other gear necessary, we run the very real risk of hitting our own people when trying to eliminate bad guys who are inside that 600 meter limit.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:42 AM (L8r/r)

225 So you've granted my premise (and Shinseki's) so now you want to argue over exact troop levels. And that's a good debate actually. Not one I am going to have today though. ;-)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:39 AM (sbV1u)

agree no debate butyourpremise was 300,000 was the correct number.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 11:43 AM (m2CN7)

226 205 Also page 30:

However, in DS, NEA, and at post, there appeared to be very real confusion over who, ultimately, was responsible and empowered to make decisions based on both policy and security considerations.

"Who the fuck runs this joint? The Frito Bandito?"


Shit - they only left out two words that would have been pretty telling here...

Insert after 'security considerations.'

"........by design."

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 19, 2012 11:44 AM (YesJa)

227 Why am I reminded of that "I didn't do it" episode of the Simpsons?

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 19, 2012 11:44 AM (sZTYJ)

228 Page 33:

The Board found, however, that Washington showed a tendency to overemphasize the positive impact of physical security upgrades, which were often field-expedient improvements to a profoundly weak platform, while generally failing to meet Benghazi’s repeated requests to augment the numbers of TDY DS personnel.

So basically like everything Bammy's ever done as Preezy: make some kind of flashy, visible addition that makes it look like you're doing something, but ignore the structural essentials. This is why he'd rather spend money on high speed rail than on repairing existing infrastructure. He'd rather put in motion sensors and security keypads than pay for a bunch of "interchangeable"* security personnel.

*Because, in Bammy's eyes, anyone who wears fatigues or carries a gun looks exactly the same.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:45 AM (4df7R)

229 we're talking about "Danger Close" impacts. In other words, impacts within 600 meters of your own people. Without the precision munitions and other gear necessary, we run the very real risk of hitting our own people when trying to eliminate bad guys who are inside that 600 meter limit Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:42 AM (L8r/r)

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Exactly right.

Romeo13, my point was that no matter how emotionally satisfying it is - and OH MY GOD is it ever - you can't just blow the shit out of something without thinking 2-3 steps down the road.

Now, I'll be in my bunk, dreaming about MLRS and a Battery 12 of 155mm DPICM.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:45 AM (sbV1u)

230 worst president in U.S. history as its "Person of the Year"

Former men (and persons) of the year include.
FDR THREE TIMES
Adolf Hitler
Stalin TWICE
Nikita Khrushchev
LBJ TWICE!!
Jimmy Carter
Ayatollah Khomeini in '79
Ben Bernake

This will be Obama's second time. Time will at least give him 3 so that the FDR=Obama meme will be complete.

So no, being a general totalitarian dick, and/or incompetent is in no way a bar to being Person of the Year in Time's eyes

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:46 AM (0q2P7)

231 Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:40 AM (LKr5H)

I don't disagree with most of what either you or Sean have stated. I was just disagreeing that anyone was proven right in hindsight.

Posted by: polynikes at December 19, 2012 11:46 AM (m2CN7)

232 My dad recently died in a German hospital, after
what I think was a botched surgery (he got an internal infection that
killed him within a week). All they said was: "sad, but these things
happen".

Posted by: DinkumThinkum at December 19, 2012 11:15 AM (TeVqG)

_________________
A friend of mine's mother lived in Canada. She had surgery. After the surgery she had some issues show up. My friend did a bunch of research and one of the possibilities was a form of a rare form of cancer. She's in the hospital already, run some tests on her and see if this is the cause, right? Nope. The hospital was like "no, it's just complications from the surgery, happens all the time, nothing to worry about it will get better on its own". Translation: we don't want to spend the money on tests for an old woman.

Long story short about 3 months later she died from the cancer. And the hospital/doctor response was "sorry, shit happens, people die of cancer all the time and even if we had found it, it was too late to do anything about it anyway".

That's what Obamacare will be like.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 11:47 AM (HDgX3)

233 The Press and government has no time to report on, or answer honestly about Benghazi, they are reporting on, and set on why we have to decimate the 2nd amendment.

Get with the program people! No one was responsible for Benghazi, and those guns are bad! They just jump and shoot people all by themselves!

No one has to take personal responsibility for anything in Liberal retard land.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 19, 2012 11:48 AM (aGGGN)

234 Sean, Excalibur rounds. Think happy thoughts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:48 AM (QdVWw)

235 >So no, being a general totalitarian dick, and/or incompetent is in no way a bar to being Person of the Year in Time's eyes



yeah- do you really wanna be part of a club that includes Hitler and Stalin?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:48 AM (8sCoq)

236 Does Hell have window so Teddy Kennedy can look at Robert Bork in the other place?

Posted by: Baldy at December 19, 2012 11:49 AM (opS9C)

237 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:45 AM (sbV1u)

To give you a further woody, there's a PSS-OFF in the cabinet right across from me.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:49 AM (L8r/r)

238 Meanwhile CSI Cairo has solved another mystery. This should cause BCochran some pause.

Ramses III was really murdered by a plot inside his harem. Someone slit his throat. http://tinyurl.com/cwpvk74

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:50 AM (QdVWw)

239 OT

Jennifer Beals is 49 today and still has obsidian elbows.

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 11:50 AM (GQ8sn)

240 PP 34-35

As noted in the preceding section, physical security at the Special Mission was insufficient. The SMC perimeter was breached immediately, providing no reaction time to the five DS agents on compound. There was no advance warning regarding the group of attackers approaching outside the SMC prior to the attack, and no sign of them on surveillance cameras outside the C1 gate until the attack was underway. The Board learned that, as of the time of the attacks, the Special Mission compound had received additional surveillance cameras, which remained in boxes uninstalled, as technical support to install them had not yet visited post. In addition, the camera monitor in the local guard force booth next to the C1 gate was inoperable on the day of the attacks, a repair which also awaited the arrival of a technical team.

Pardon my blasphemy, but Jesus H. Christ. The clusterfuck continues.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:50 AM (4df7R)

241 And now for some (kinda NSFW) comic relief:

Fartin' in the 'Hood

http://preview.tinyurl.com/9fdaua2

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)

242
>>>>Here's were I do care: if we're talking NGFS to stave off the
consulate attackers, we're talking about "Danger Close" impacts. In
other words, impacts within 600 meters of your own people. Without the
precision munitions and other gear necessary, we run the very real risk
of hitting our own people when trying to eliminate bad guys who are
inside that 600 meter limit.

And the risk of that negative outcome is worse than losing the whole compound, giving the enemy access to classified material, AND everybody in the compound dying anyway, in the case of the ambassador, raped, then killed, exactly how again?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

243 Let it burn,burn,burn... I'm so sick of this group of criminals in the WH. I sure can see why Time Mag. named obama man of the year... architect of a new America? You can say that again, and this new America is no longer recognizable to me...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (9+ccr)

244 No reason naval gunfire would need precision munitions or target locating systems to put a protective fire around a known location. The "annex" should have been a gridded spot. Going after the mortar tubes, etc would have required targeting systems, such as those available on the Predators, but should not have required munition that needed designation.

The collateral damage risk in an urban area would have been present regardless of the munition choice.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (aqj6v)

245 "I also understand that one of the killed ex-SEALs was a huge Obama supporter."



Does this fall under irony or schadenfreude or both? If this is true, then fuck him.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (HDgX3)

246 yeah- do you really wanna be part of a club that includes Hitler and Stalin?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:48 AM (8sCoq)


We already are. Or did you forget the "brilliant" mirror cover from a few years ago?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:52 AM (4df7R)

247
238
Meanwhile CSI Cairo has solved another mystery. This should cause BCochran some pause.

Ramses III was really murdered by a plot inside his harem. Someone slit his throat. http://tinyurl.com/cwpvk74

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 11:50 AM (QdVWw)


The Harem joke amuses me to no end. And it's not that far from jokes made in the past. A friend of mine "Seriously? Who's fucking dentist is cute??? Your dentist? Do you even know any women that aren't attractive?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 19, 2012 11:52 AM (da5Wo)

248
Late to the party but just in time to say fuck the trolls and 'accountability' does not exist in this administration.


Damn, I'm Captain Obvious this morning.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 19, 2012 11:53 AM (1Y+hH)

249 Does this fall under irony or schadenfreude or both? If this is true, then fuck him.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (HDgX3)

If the "fuck him" refers to the vile subhuman who posted that originally, I concur.
But I suspect it doesn't.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 19, 2012 11:54 AM (P47hr)

250 !!ALERT!!
Harry Reid is now looking in to purchasing a number of Golden Eagles for some unknown purpose.

Posted by: Ball of Hate at December 19, 2012 11:54 AM (ydcw9)

251 Damn, I'm Captain Obvious this morning Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 19, 2012 11:53 AM (1Y+hH)

Sage of the Self-Evident! Seer of All Which is Readily Apparent!

All hail Captain Obvious!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 11:54 AM (sbV1u)

252
This is the same shit we got from the Clinton gang:

"The system failed, there was no one person or group of persons who could've prevented what happened. We will work hard to make sure something like this can never happen again."

And that's always good enough for the MFM.

Except when a Republican is president.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 19, 2012 11:55 AM (tOkJB)

253 Hmmm. gun bunnies. Like a blind pr0n star, awesome if there's someone to tell 'em which way to point it. :p

Posted by: Lazarus at December 19, 2012 11:55 AM (q4ggw)

254 >We already are. Or did you forget the "brilliant" mirror cover from a few years ago?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:52 AM (4df7R)


yeah, they just phoned it in that year!

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (8sCoq)

255 Jennifer Beals is 49 today and still has obsidian elbows.


Like a screen door in a submarine, I would.

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (z9HTb)

256 Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (aqj6v)

Again, we're talking about impacts within 600meters of our people. In this instance, I'm not really concerned with "collateral" damage, except the very real possibility of shredding our own guys.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)


So you're saying, "Who cares if we kill our own people, as long as we kill Tangos in the process"?

Posted by: Country Singer at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (L8r/r)

257 MWR, you wanna bet the local hires knew which cameras were working?

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (B5s0p)

258
Lets run the tape of Obama speaking to the UN and the media about the shadowy character and the video.

Hilarious.

Posted by: Fresh at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (O7ksG)

259 Does this fall under irony or schadenfreude or both? If this is true, then fuck him.

Why am I not in the slightest bit surprised that you would side with your fellow retard?

Now get off the computer and continue packing. The US will be a slightly better place without you in it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (SY2Kh)

260 Page 35

In the final analysis, the Board could not determine exactly how the C1 gate at the Special Mission compound was breached, but the speed with which attackers entered raised the possibility that BML (Blue Mountain Libya) guards left the C1 pedestrian gate open after initially seeing the attackers and fleeing the vicinity. They had left the gate unlatched before.

Fuckity fuck shithead fuck incompetent coward turncoats.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 11:57 AM (4df7R)

261 My cat just pre-qualified for SOS.

Came in, demanded food, the good canned stuff, threw it up on the rug and walked away. Also she's black and my Korean neighbors seem to really like her. Where do I sign up for those sweet GS upper teens checks?

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2012 11:57 AM (Xefrb)

262 Like a screen door in a submarine, I would.

Isn't that supposed to be screen door in a hurricane? LOL!

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 11:57 AM (GQ8sn)

263 >Like a screen door in a submarine, I would.


Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (z9HTb)

would the gentleman care to revise and extend his remarks....

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 11:57 AM (8sCoq)

264 Holy crap! These guys are good.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at December 19, 2012 12:00 PM (mV8sg)

265 Again, we're talking about impacts within 600meters of our people. In this instance, I'm not really concerned with "collateral" damage, except the very real possibility of shredding our own guys. Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

The military is generally concerned with collateral damage for reasons other than "it's not nice" or "it's against international law."

As one example, it's really hard to go balls-to-the-wall racing through the streets of Benghazi to get to the Embassy if you've clogged every singled road in a 6 block radius with debris. You've now mandated that you have to go in on foot.

Which is very, very, slow.

....and more dangerous.

Jus' sayin'

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 12:00 PM (sbV1u)

266 Would you like a job where you can completely fuck up, costing people their lives, then get a pat on the head and a "That's okay you'll get em next time son"?

Posted by: United States Government at December 19, 2012 12:00 PM (/YJYi)

267 MWR, you wanna bet the local hires knew which cameras were working?
Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 11:56 AM (B5s0p)


Oh, I bet. The BML was supposed to provide advanced warning of security threats; it was essentially their core purpose. They didn't make so much as a peep.

And while employing local militias is bad enough in a shithole like Libya, I must especially question the sanity of employing guards who belong to a group called the "February 17 Martyrs Brigade."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 12:00 PM (4df7R)

268 If the "fuck him" refers to the vile subhuman who posted that originally, I concur.
But I suspect it doesn't.


Posted by: DC in Towson at December 19, 2012 11:54 AM (P47hr)

______________
I don't care if it's an Obamaphone recipient or a Marine. You support Obama you're a fucking piece of garbage. End of story.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (HDgX3)

269 >>>Jennifer Beals is 49 today

I'd work that cougar like little black Sambo hankerin' for some pancakes.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (/ZZCn)

270 The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly about confiscating our guns for the good of the children of the Motherland.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (/kI1Q)

271 > I must especially question the sanity of employing guards who belong to a group called the "February 17 Martyrs Brigade."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 12:00 PM (4df7R)


Top. Men.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (8sCoq)

272 The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly
about confiscating our guns for the good of the children of the
Motherland.


He'll take them from us, then give them to the Mexican drug cartels.

Win-win.

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 12:02 PM (GQ8sn)

273 would the gentleman care to revise and extend his remarks....


I'm kind of lazy, so I was hoping someone else would continue with 'going down' and 'going deep' jokes.

Posted by: fluffy at December 19, 2012 12:02 PM (z9HTb)

274 The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly about confiscating our guns for the good of the children of the Motherland.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (/kI1Q)


Jesus Christ, AGAIN? Fuck but we've got a windy blowhard of a fucking camera whore Preezy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 12:02 PM (4df7R)

275 >The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly


Oh darn. I'm pretty sure I'll miss that.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 12:03 PM (8sCoq)

276 President Ofuckface not letting a crisis go to waste. Pathetic.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 19, 2012 12:03 PM (BVkEs)

277 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

Yes - it's much hard to coverup when we fire rounds into the area and kill the wrong people, or if you send a rescue mission and things go wrong. The more people who take action means the more people who know something. The more people who know something, the more likely it is that the truth comes out.

Little Bammy knew this. If they do NOTHING, it's much easier to cover up. Exactly like they are doing now.

Posted by: blindside at December 19, 2012 12:03 PM (3Uns6)

278 Meanwhile in Pokeystan prepare for a polio outbreak. In the past 48 hours 8 UN workers have been killed, all part of the polio eradication effort. Another wonderful gift from the Religion of Pieces though NBC does not directly say that.
http://tinyurl.com/aanfv46

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 12:03 PM (QdVWw)

279 I'm kind of lazy, so I was hoping someone else would continue with 'going down' and 'going deep' jokes.

How about, "I'd hit that so hard, the person who pulled me out would be the King of England."

Posted by: EC at December 19, 2012 12:03 PM (GQ8sn)

280 I don't care if it's an Obamaphone recipient or a Marine. You support Obama you're a fucking piece of garbage. End of story.

What do you care? You're leaving the country, remember?

Now get packing, retard. Just hope your new home doesn't mandate an IQ test as part of the immigration process.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 12:04 PM (SY2Kh)

281 So, after a million dollars or so, not to mention hundreds of man hours, the end product is a multi-page report which says, in effect, "Mistakes Were Made. " Th-th-th-that's all, folks.

Even at the current rate of inflation, whitewash seems to be selling pretty cheaply per can.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent (I took down my FB account too) at December 19, 2012 12:04 PM (S3rrR)

282 >I'm kind of lazy, so I was hoping someone else would continue with 'going down' and 'going deep' jokes.


all right, we'll carry your butt this time

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 12:04 PM (8sCoq)

283 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 12:01 PM (HDgX3)


You are morally obtuse.

There's more, but I think I'll go get me some hate chicken right now. I can use the break from your idiocy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 12:04 PM (sbV1u)

284 Left my shocked face in my Captain Obvious locker, sorry.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (FsUAO)

285 So once again obama is gracing us with his magnificent presence?Sorry, I'll be missing it since I have not watched a single "news" station including Fox since Nov. 6...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (9+ccr)

286 I question the usefulness of a consilate in benghazi

Posted by: alex at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (A+r/c)

287
Venezuela government official says Hugo Chavez's Jan. 10 inauguration could be delayed - @Reuters



(until after his internment?)

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (1Y+hH)

288 I'd work that cougar like Chilly Willy hankerin' for some pancakes.

FIFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjRACCuh3vc

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (81UWZ)

289 Sean order the super sized hate shake. Make Queen Alexthechick proud.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (QdVWw)

290 Lets move the WH to Benghazi!

Outreach, building bridges, kissing murdering muslim ass etc. Lets give Hillary a chance to jump on in too! Maybe the SCOAMF and Joey "Chompers" Biden can seize all their guns while they are at it!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 19, 2012 12:06 PM (aGGGN)

291 I think I'll go get me some hate chicken right now

Don't forget the fries of intolerance.

Posted by: toby928© Puts on the Tin Foil at December 19, 2012 12:08 PM (evdj2)

292 Their record of accountability prededes them ...

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius cannot enforce the Obamacare contraception mandate as it is written, but must follow through on a promise to rewrite the rule to accommodate religious liberty, a federal appeals court ordered.

The Obama administration “represented to the court that it would never enforce [the mandate] in its current form against the appellants or those similarly situated as regards contraceptive services,” the three judges hearing the case wrote in their order. The Obama team made that promise during oral arguments against Wheaton College and The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which sued over the contraception mandate but lost at the lower court level.

“There will, the government said, be a different rule for entities like the appellants . . . We take the government at its word and will hold it to it,” the judges wrote. They ruled that the Obama administration must rewrite the regulation by August 2013 and provide updates to the court every 60 days. If the government fails to do so, the lawsuits may proceed.

The court also noted that the Obama administration had not made such an expansive pledge outside the courtroom.

“The D.C. Circuit has now made it clear that government promises and press conferences are not enough to protect religious freedom,” The Becket Fund’s Kyle Duncan, who argued the case, said in a statement. “The court is not going to let the government slide by on non-binding promises to fix the problem down the road.”

... more on the "War on Women" by the D.C. Circuit Court later

Posted by: Baron Vladimir Harkonnen at December 19, 2012 12:09 PM (e8kgV)

293 Naval gunfire is substantially better then that, firing from a computer controlled, stabilized platform gets you something.

The 600m safety is an archaic value and really needs to be updated to a systemic value. Right now guys override it knowing that part of the solution is better then 600m, without having a good understanding of the true error stack up.

There is always the possibility of a bad round doing a flyer, but I suspect there was greater concern over the "optics" of civilian casualties then the welfare of our guys.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 12:09 PM (pBcpe)

294 Get a spicy chicken sandwich with extra hate cooked in. The chicken salad cups are good too, I hear they chop up gays in it to give it a small hint of sweetness.

Posted by: Adam at December 19, 2012 12:09 PM (/YJYi)

295 The official said Eric
Boswell, the assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, and
Charlene Lamb, the deputy assistant secretary responsible for embassy
security, stepped down under pressure after the release of the report.
The third official worked for the Bureau of Near East Affairs, but
wasn't immediately identified, the official said, speaking on condition
of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss personnel matters
publicly. The report said poor leadership in both bureaus left the Benghazi mission underprotected.
drudge

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 12:09 PM (nqBYe)

296 -“At the direction of the U.S. military’s Africa Command (AFRICOM), DoD moved a remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft which arrived over the SMC shortly before the DS team departed. A second remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft relieved”
...

-“The interagency response was timely and appropriate, but there simply was not enough time given the speed of the attacks for armed U.S. military assets to have made a difference.”

Okay, folks, drones are slow. Meaning faster things could have got there in time, if two drones did.. So, if no armed assets were available, why? It's a contributor to the disaster, so why? I refer you to the work of Weigman and Shappell. There are reasons why no armed force was available, even if just "we didn't think of it". So what was the reason? Else we cannot prevent similiar issues in the future.

And this "no armed force" thing does not square with Panetta saying you don't go in to an unknown situation. I am afraid I am going to have to at least look askance on the integrity of this report for a moment.

Posted by: N. at December 19, 2012 12:10 PM (/1R+E)

297 I think I'll go get me some hate chicken right now



Don't forget the fries of intolerance.


I hear the bigot shakes are teh awesome!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 12:10 PM (0q2P7)

298
286 I question the usefulness of a consilate in benghazi

Posted by: alex at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (A+r/c)


Yeah, I'd rather have a consulate there.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 19, 2012 12:10 PM (tOkJB)

299 >Get a spicy chicken sandwich with extra hate cooked in. The chicken
salad cups are good too, I hear they chop up gays in it to give it a
small hint of sweetness.


order a 32oz drink with extra prejudice

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 19, 2012 12:10 PM (8sCoq)

300 270 The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly about confiscating our guns for the good of the children of the Motherland.

--------

Indeed. He says we need to make it harder for crazy folks to get guns in order to prevent occurrences like Newtown.

Apparently, in the future, after you kill your mother you'll need to have a background check before you can steal her gun.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 19, 2012 12:11 PM (NmR1a)

301 N. it's all b.s
The CIA had been told to Stand Down, it was mentioned in the beginning of the info rolling Out.
Doherty and Woods disobeyed.

Who gave stand own order?

Posted by: ette-channeling Midler at December 19, 2012 12:12 PM (nqBYe)

302 The TV in the lobby informs me Herr Führer will be speaking shortly
about confiscating our guns for the good of the children of the Motherland Fatherland.


FIFY

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 19, 2012 12:12 PM (0q2P7)

303 :::Now, I'll be in my bunk, dreaming about MLRS and a Battery 12 of 155mm DPICM.:::

No one shapes nature the way we do. We take atoms and molecules, and by the time we're finished with them, they're everything from combat boots to bombs, the kind of bombs no one from the other side will see until the damn thing's plowing down their chimney like Santa Claus from Hell!

Posted by: Major General Partridge at December 19, 2012 12:14 PM (Bdr7Q)

304 265, didn't consider that the Rx helos from the sig were going to be sling loading tracks and landing outside of town.

Posted by: Jean at December 19, 2012 12:14 PM (pBcpe)

305 For the great justice order the hate shake.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 12:14 PM (QdVWw)

306 286
I question the usefulness of a consilate in benghazi

Posted by: alex at December 19, 2012 12:05 PM (A+r/c)

It wasn't a consulate , it was named that as a cover up for the attack there and on the CIA base.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 19, 2012 12:14 PM (AWmfW)

307 FIFY

It didn't need fixing. 1) I mixed my up my totalitarian regimes on purpose. 2) Fathers are most unwelcome in our current totalitarian regime.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 19, 2012 12:18 PM (/kI1Q)

308 What do you care? You're leaving the country, remember?

Now get packing, retard. Just hope your new home doesn't mandate an IQ test as part of the immigration process.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 19, 2012 12:04 PM (SY2Kh)

_______________________
STFU already. I'm so sick of giving sainthood to anyone in the military and excusing their actions. If he was a HUGE Obama supporter, fuck him and fuck him hard.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 19, 2012 12:18 PM (HDgX3)

309 Hey guys,

Tomorrow I am buying a few more 75 round drums for the AK's, 10 more crates of ammo (various), a Saiga shotgun with 2- 20 round drums and that M1A I always wanted with a plethora of 20 round magazines!

Get em while you can morons and moronettes!

And to the socks and government, seize them, if you have the time and the will. I have the time and the will to thwart that ! I will even fly back stateside for that shindig!

Night all! I have a big meeting tommorrow with some UK gentlemen. I am wearing my NRA hat just to piss them off!



Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 19, 2012 12:18 PM (aGGGN)

310 I like salty things. I like fishy things. I assume I'd like anchovies. Am I terribly wrong? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 19, 2012 12:18 PM (4df7R)

No, you are not.

Go for it.

I highly recommend them paired with pepperoni and some red onion.

Margherita pepperoni is preferred.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 19, 2012 12:20 PM (sbV1u)

311 Dang Sean, going to buy all of us some pizza now? nom nom nom

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2012 12:21 PM (QdVWw)

312 Benghazi Accountability Review Board

Benghazi Hey Shit Happens Review Board - FIFY

Posted by: sherlock at December 19, 2012 12:26 PM (81ia8)

313 If this clusterfuck goes unpunished, it seems to me we can fairly say that the Executive Branch of our federal government is acting above the law (though most likely with the aquiescence of the majority of Americans). What can we do about it?
I agree with whoever commented that the majority of Americans could care less about the Benghazi disaster. So, what do we do? How do we hold our federal government, SOMEONE, accountable?

Posted by: Mark in Portland at December 19, 2012 12:27 PM (09YAd)

314 OT

Jennifer Beals is 49 today and still has obsidian elbows.


She was in Book of Eli. I couldn't believe it was her at first because she hasn't aged a day since Fleshdance.

I think she's a Sparkly Vampire. That I would hit.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 12:29 PM (KXm42)

315 3 resign:
http://is.gd/leqD61

Posted by: Gerry at December 19, 2012 12:30 PM (8WExi)

316 I have a hunch that if I had a million dollars for evey time the word "Obama" appears in that report, I'll bet I would be broke.

Posted by: sherlock at December 19, 2012 12:30 PM (81ia8)

317 One of the ingredients of Lea Perrins Worcesterchire sauce is anchovies of all things.

Weird.

Posted by: eleven at December 19, 2012 12:31 PM (KXm42)

318 you the case of GEN Eric Shinseki when he pointed out the glaringly
obvious truth that we'd need about 300K troops to do Iraq right.


Nonsense, we DID Iraq with 100K. Stopping the war before they've all surrendered and not following on to Iran are separate issues.

Posted by: DaveA at December 19, 2012 12:33 PM (Xefrb)

319
"sorry, shit happens, people die of cancer all the time and even if we had found it, it was too late to do anything about it anyway".


As long as no one prevented this woman from using her own money to go somewhere for different treatment, this is exactly where healthcare needs to go.

Shit does happen. People do die of cancer all the time. A lot of the time, even if they find something it's too late anyway. We don't have the money to fund extraordinary, heroic efforts for every sickness for everyone, citizen or not, in the country.

Get used to it.

Posted by: jwest at December 19, 2012 12:34 PM (ZDsRL)

320 and featuring Ed Asner as Hillary Clinton.

GOOD Casting!

Posted by: Paladin at December 19, 2012 12:46 PM (YNPwP)

321 What a goddamned whitewash.

Who gave the order to stand down?

Who sent the drone to be used as a voyeur instead of a counter-attack weapon?

Who in the State Department made the decision to pull out three Mobile Security Deployment teams in August of 2012, telling the embassy to “do more with less”?

Who kept refusing to send extra security to the embassy?

Who exactly in the Obama regime went to all the trouble to scour the bowels of the YouTube library for an obscure video to blame for what was part of the muzzie rampage that had been going on for 21 months?

Pickering and Mullen need a smack upside the head with a clue bat.

The title should read: “Accountability Review Board” Can't Seem to Find Anyone in the Obama Regime Accountable for Benghazi Disaster.

Posted by: SFC MAC at December 19, 2012 01:10 PM (TLbgU)

322 "The attack started at approximately 9:45pm local time. The board found that after the fight and rescue efforts, the survivors reached “the annex” (the CIA location) by 23:30. While the fight continued at the annex after that time, Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith were already dead. It’s nice to think of the US military as all-powerful but they aren’t cops on the beat who can be anywhere in the world in under an hour."
the last 2 Americans were kill after 3 am ... thats over 5 hours after the initial assault ...
I'd bet a months paycheck that they could have been on scene in less than 5 hours ...

Posted by: JeffC at December 19, 2012 01:27 PM (A3tpD)

323 Four adults killed in Benghazi: impeach Obama.
Twenty children executed at close range: It's just the price of our 2nd amendment freedom.

Posted by: whome? at December 19, 2012 01:47 PM (8816I)

324 323 Miscellaneous troll bullshit from a bullshit perspective
The real deal, from the perspective of the sanity-based universe:

20 children heinously murdered by a lone, deranged gunman? Every law-abiding gun owner is to blame, and their rights must be restricted NOW. For The Children!

4 adults, including the direct personal representative of the POTUS to a Sovereign nation, are assassinated on the Anniversary of 9/11...while folks in DC watch over Drone-cam? Shit happens, nobody is to blame, sorry about that.

Fuck you, troll.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 19, 2012 03:20 PM (YesJa)

325 These pathetic pukes don't get it. They are hired to do one damned thing, MANAGE the departments they are hired to MANAGE, they DON'T do their jobs or suck at their JOBS and that includes the POTUS. I'm not a bit surprised though because the HMFIC is a VA resident and therefore, neighbors to these incestuous bastards. There is not a dime's bit of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats because the RINO's want to "go along to get along and stay in the Beltway" where they have a MSM and staff that do nothing but kiss their asses. The 535 biggest bunch of LOSERS in history.

Posted by: Rightway at December 19, 2012 07:40 PM (1qrwp)

326 Can any Moron or any presser in D.C not ask the question of why they had drone video available during the attack and if there was video what was the intel and who sent the drone? Where did the drone launch from? ( Siganella, Djibouti?)
Common sense tells you that the drone was not a miracle by the hand of God into an orbit over Benghazi. This has to have been coordinated, mission planned launched and recovered.
So once again I ask, why has no one asked and gotten details on the drone?

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