Longtime Senator From Hawaii Daniel Inouye Dead At The Age Of 88

His long Senate career began in 1963 (date corrected) but was also a highly decorated WWII veteran.


His Medal of Honor citation:

Second Lieutenant Daniel K. Inouye distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 21 April 1945, in the vicinity of San Terenzo, Italy. While attacking a defended ridge guarding an important road junction, Second Lieutenant Inouye skillfully directed his platoon through a hail of automatic weapon and small arms fire, in a swift enveloping movement that resulted in the capture of an artillery and mortar post and brought his men to within 40 yards of the hostile force. Emplaced in bunkers and rock formations, the enemy halted the advance with crossfire from three machine guns. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Second Lieutenant Inouye crawled up the treacherous slope to within five yards of the nearest machine gun and hurled two grenades, destroying the emplacement. Before the enemy could retaliate, he stood up and neutralized a second machine gun nest. Although wounded by a sniper’s bullet, he continued to engage other hostile positions at close range until an exploding grenade shattered his right arm. Despite the intense pain, he refused evacuation and continued to direct his platoon until enemy resistance was broken and his men were again deployed in defensive positions. In the attack, 25 enemy soldiers were killed and eight others captured. By his gallant, aggressive tactics and by his indomitable leadership, Second Lieutenant Inouye enabled his platoon to advance through formidable resistance, and was instrumental in the capture of the ridge. Second Lieutenant Inouye’s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the United States Army.

He was shot, then lost an arm to a grenade, all while continuing to attack the enemy and lead his men...American hero.

Day by day we lose more of these great Americans, thankfully new generations of American heroes continue to step forward to continue the tradition of excellence and honor.

RIP Senator, from a grateful nation.

Aloha.

[UPDATE] Inoyue didn't just throw grenades at the Germans, he threw one after he lost his arm...by prying it out of the hand on his nearly amputated arm.

"I looked at it, stunned and disbelieving. It dangled there by a few bloody shreds of tissue, my grenade still clenched in a fist that suddenly didn't belong to me anymore," Inouye wrote in his 1967 autobiography, "Journey to Washington," written with Lawrence Elliott.

Inouye wrote that he pried the grenade out of his right hand and threw it at the German gunman, who was killed by the explosion. He continued firing his gun until he was shot in the right leg and knocked down the hillside. Badly wounded, he ordered his men to keep attacking and they took the ridge from the enemy.

Holy SHIT.

Added: Inouye was featured in Ken Burns "The War". An amazing reminder that some people loved America when America didn't always love them. I'm always awed by the stories of men like Inouye and black WWII vets who served, fought and often died for a country they were not always able to participate in fully. They knew that the promise of America was real and would be kept someday. They fought to ensure that it has been.

Via David Leonhardt

Posted by: DrewM. at 06:12 PM



Comments

1 RIP to an American hero.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:14 PM (53z96)

2 RIP.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 17, 2012 06:14 PM (ZOf1l)

3 He met and became friendly with Dole while in the Hospital.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:15 PM (79ueO)

4 As I said in the previous thread, didn't like his politics but he was indisputably brave. RIP, soldier.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:15 PM (CWlPF)

5 Aloha Hero.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 17, 2012 06:15 PM (BVkEs)

6 "Go For Broke!" Sen. Inouye.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:15 PM (+k/kq)

7 Can we get some happier threads?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:16 PM (AoWJ4)

8 I guess what I'm saying is: canihazhappi?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:16 PM (AoWJ4)

9 And he was with the 442nd, which was, to say the least, an impressive outfit.

RIP

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:17 PM (GsoHv)

10

Ah, for the halcyon days of youth, when Democrats used to be patriotic too.

From Inouye and Moynahan to Obama and Pelosi.

What a sad, sad decline.

Posted by: imp at December 17, 2012 06:17 PM (UaxA0)

11 Aloha

*salute*

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at December 17, 2012 06:19 PM (jts1f)

12 RIP, but he should not have been in office at age 88.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 17, 2012 06:20 PM (dZ756)

13 RIP to a American hero.

But he still voted for Obamacare

Posted by: Jack J at December 17, 2012 06:20 PM (gsWNm)

14 10

Ah, for the halcyon days of youth, when Democrats used to be patriotic too.

From Inouye and Moynahan to Obama and Pelosi.

What a sad, sad decline.
Posted by: imp at December 17, 2012 06:17 PM (UaxA0)


When the New Left took over the Dems they essentially became the party of American demonization.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:20 PM (CWlPF)

15 RIP, but he should not have been in office at age 88.
Posted by: SFGoth at December 17, 2012 06:20 PM (dZ756)

So what? Anyone seem my teeth?

Posted by: Frank Lautenberg at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (79ueO)

16
Can we get some happier threads?


I don't know, this doesn't seem unhappy to me. An American war hero who after distuingishing himself in the service of his country went on to serve his country as a politician and passed away at the age of 88. He made it to 88 and was a servant to the American people whether you liked him or not. His life should be cause for celebration.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (ZOf1l)

17 When 1945 Italian fascists are outlawed, only outlaws will have 1945 Italian fascists. Or something like that.

RIP.

Posted by: Wooga at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (8M3H4)

18 "Added: Inouye was featured in Ken Burns "The War". An amazing reminder that some people loved America when America didn't always love them. "

Does everything have to have some sort of PC moral?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (AoWJ4)

19 From 'Medal of Honorortraits of Valor Beyond the Call of Duty' pg 116.

"Although he felt weak, Inouye continued up the hill, throwing two more grenades into the second gun emplacement and destroying it before he fell. His men, trying to take the third bunker, were forced back. He dragged himself toward it, then stood up and was about to pull the pin on his last grenade when a German appeared in the bunker and fired a rifle grenade. It hit Inouye in the right elbow and virtually tore off his arm. He pried the grenade out of his dead right fist with his other hand and threw it at the third bunker, then lurched toward it, firing his tommy-gun left-handed. A German bulelt hit him in the leg. A medic reached him and gave him a shot of morphine, but Inouye didn't allow himself to be evacuated until the position was secured. In the hospital, the remains of his right arm were amputated."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:22 PM (+k/kq)

20 >>>7 Can we get some happier threads?

With elbows.

Posted by: Wooga at December 17, 2012 06:22 PM (8M3H4)

21

Just Hang Loose.

Posted by: hawaii beaches at December 17, 2012 06:22 PM (LpQbZ)

22 with obama in Office, what Happier Threads?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:22 PM (79ueO)

23 "16
Can we get some happier threads?


I don't know, this doesn't seem unhappy to me. An American war hero who after distuingishing himself in the service of his country went on to serve his country as a politician and passed away at the age of 88. He made it to 88 and was a servant to the American people whether you liked him or not. His life should be cause for celebration.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (ZOf1l) "

People always say that. But try to be happy at a funeral. See how well that goes...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (AoWJ4)

24 Does everything have to have some sort of PC moral?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (AoWJ4)

It's hard to gloss over what FDR did to the Japanese Americans. The fact that so many Nisei fought so bravely is a credit to them and a discredit to FDR.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (CWlPF)

25 When the New Left took over the Dems they essentially became the party of American demonization.
Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:20 PM (CWlPF)



Exactly. And every one of those Democrat bastards had the choice - resist it publicly, or embrace evil in the name of self aggrandizement. Inouye and his co-conspirators chose the latter. Past heroic deeds are no excuse for him any more than they are for our own party's back-stabber, McCain.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (jfeoD)

26 12 sfgoth

Amen to that

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2012 06:24 PM (+TwVr)

27
Bob Dole, Daniel Inouye and Philip Hart, all future Senators, became friends in the Army hospital recovering from their wounds.

Dole took three years convalescing, and never really got the use of his arm back from wounds from fighting in Italy
Inouye lost his arm in fighting, as describe above.
Philip Hart was wounded on D-Day as a Lt Col in the 4th Division. He was the oldest of the three and died of cancer in 1976.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (Md8Uo)

28 Mental note to self: don't let Reactionary write my obituary.

Posted by: John McCain at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (qs9G3)

29 It's hard to gloss over what FDR did to the Japanese Americans. The fact that so many Nisei fought so bravely is a credit to them and a discredit to FDR.
Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (CWlPF)


I don't blame FDR or America at that time for what they did to the Japanese Americans. Was it right, no. But it was a different time and day and has to be seen thru those eyes, not our's today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

30 "24 Does everything have to have some sort of PC moral?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:21 PM (AoWJ4)

It's hard to gloss over what FDR did to the Japanese Americans. The fact that so many Nisei fought so bravely is a credit to them and a discredit to FDR.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (CWlPF) "

Well, it should have at least been phrased in a way that wasn't so "Fuck You, 'Previous America'"ish.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:26 PM (AoWJ4)

31 Mental note to self: don't let Reactionary write my obituary.
Posted by: John McCain at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (qs9G3)


OK, that's pretty funny

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:26 PM (79ueO)

32 I'm sorry the end of your career had us on opposite sides Senator. RIP hero.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 06:26 PM (0q2P7)

33 Does Ken Burns even mention that Canada also interred its Japanese-Canadian citizens?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:27 PM (+k/kq)

34 Amen to that
Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 17, 2012 06:24 PM (+TwVr)


Meh. I didn't have a problem with Strom Thurmond. He knew how to vote. Age isn't the problem in the current political leadership. It's the corruption, evil, and outright treason.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2012 06:27 PM (jfeoD)

35 t's hard to gloss over what FDR did to the Japanese
Americans. The fact that so many Nisei fought so bravely is a credit to
them and a discredit to FDR.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (CWlPF)

You should read Michell Maulkin's In Defense of Internment. The Japanese internment was nowhere near the bad thing the liberals make it out to be and it was necessary.http://is.gd/mgpGUW

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:27 PM (53z96)

36 Does Ken Burns even mention that Canada also interred its Japanese-Canadian citizens?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:27 PM (+k/kq)

Ken Burns is a liberal wienie that looks like a small rat with glasses

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:28 PM (79ueO)

37 RIP, and many thanks sir, for all of your years of service

Posted by: barbarausa at December 17, 2012 06:28 PM (WWeoI)

38 A couple of years ago my sisters, my mother, and I went back to my mother's home town of Grenada, Colorado. We toured the ruins of the Japanese relocation camp that is there. My mother was a teenager and young adult in those days. There is very little left of the camp now but there is a memorial to one of the former inmates who volunteered to fight the Nazis, was killed, and was awarded the Medal of Honor.

According to my mother, these camps were not Auschwitz on the plains. The Japanese would celebrate their traditional holidays and the towns people would come out to share with them. The Japanese high school had a football team that played the other local football teams. There were guard towers presumably armed with machine guns and barbed wire but this wasn't a Nazi-like concentration camp.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 17, 2012 06:28 PM (XUKZU)

39 Mental note to self: don't let Reactionary write my obituary.
Posted by: John McCain at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (qs9G3)



OK - I LOL'ed. But really - why are we expected to excuse/lionize our enemies just because they have the good grace to lay down and die? It's bullshit. Some people make the world better by their presence. Others make it better by their absence.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (jfeoD)

40 After all he did for his country while serving in the military, I wonder how he rationalized his later alliance with the party and the president that are actively seeking to destroy it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (QKKT0)

41 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

Agreed. It is so easy to judge the America of 1942 by the mores of 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv)

42 Also American citizens in those camps, once they were cleared, could move out. Usually this meant moving to places like Montana to replace another American in a critical field who was needed somewhere else and there were no other replacements.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (+k/kq)

43
There's no "but" here imo, folks.
Sen. Inouyewas a paid-up hero67 years ago (two weeks before VE-Day btw). Everything he did or became after that never mattered to me.Dude obeyed the law, madeadistinguished careerfor himself and by example honored his fellow vets living and dead his entire life. Yeah, he was a liblefty. Ho hum.

Posted by: MikeD at December 17, 2012 06:30 PM (p8QOg)

44 May his family find strength and be comforted ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 17, 2012 06:31 PM (gh+mp)

45
Exactly. And every one of those Democrat bastards had the choice - resist it publicly, or embrace evil in the name of self aggrandizement. Inouye and his co-conspirators chose the latter. Past heroic deeds are no excuse for him any more than they are for our own party's back-stabber, McCain.

Yeah, I'm rather ambivalent about any former war hero who turns his back on the nation and the Constitution, like Charlie Rangel. I prefer to examine his recent actions in order to asses his worth.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 06:31 PM (yiIja)

46 RIP. And he didn't even accuse his fellow troops of "behaving in the style of Genghis Khan."

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at December 17, 2012 06:31 PM (UOM48)

47 Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:27 PM (53z96)

The internment probably wasn't necessary, but perfectly understandable.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:31 PM (GsoHv)

48 33
Does Ken Burns even mention that Canada also interred its Japanese-Canadian citizens?

No. Canada has universal, government-run health care, and has a long history of participating in UN peace-keeping missions.

They get a pass.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (CrJzY)

49 "41 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

Agreed. It is so easy to judge the America of 1942 by the mores of 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv) "

Not really. The America of 2012 is such a miserable failure, I'm not sure why it thinks it has the right to judge anything. Even FDR's dystopian Leftist America.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (AoWJ4)

50 >>>Can we get some happier threads?


How about a happy/gay thread?

Queen James Bible: preview.tinyurl.com/crgn6wf

Posted by: Fritz at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (K/NRd)

51



He knew how to vote. Age isn't the problem in the current political leadership.


Neither is death, as I understand it.

Posted by: been dead for 20yrs, but still voted in 2012! at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (LpQbZ)

52
As early as 1940, the Roosevelt Administration was making plans to inter Japanese Americans because they thought that a war with Japan was imminent.

And that is a little bit of history that is not written about regarding the noble Democrats of that era.


Strom Thurmond was an Army Major serving on Utah Beach on D-Day. Just like these guys, he served his country when called, and he was not a particularly young man in 1944. There was a time when I would have found his politics repulsive, but he changed with the time too. What he believed in 1990 was different than what he believed in 1948. And he was a Democrat for years too, a Dixiecrat as he called himself once upon a time.

Let the dead bury the dead.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 06:33 PM (Md8Uo)

53 Also American citizens in those camps, once they were cleared, could move out.


The American camps had open gates and allowed the people to go in and out to local towns freely as long as they did not go back to the coast. AND there were no "guard towers with machine guns".



The security camps were reserved for actual Japanese citizens who were caught in the US at the time of the war starting. And they were treated much much better than the Japanese interment camps in Japan for Americans caught there.


American women in those camps were used as "comfort women" for the officers.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:33 PM (53z96)

54 "43
There's no "but" here imo, folks.
Sen. Inouyewas a paid-up hero67 years ago (two weeks before VE-Day btw). Everything he did or became after that never mattered to me.Dude obeyed the law, madeadistinguished careerfor himself and by example honored his fellow vets living and dead his entire life. Yeah, he was a liblefty. Ho hum.

Posted by: MikeD at December 17, 2012 06:30 PM (p8QOg) "

So, on the one hand, he served his country. On the other, he betrayed it. Hmmm.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:33 PM (AoWJ4)

55 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

Agreed. It is so easy to judge the America of 1942 by the mores of 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv) "

Not really. The America of 2012 is such a miserable failure, I'm not sure why it thinks it has the right to judge anything. Even FDR's dystopian Leftist America.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (AoWJ4)

I think you misunderstand us. We are agreeing with you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:34 PM (79ueO)

56 The internment probably wasn't necessary, but perfectly understandable.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:31 PM (GsoHv)


If you read that book I referenced above you will see that it was most definitely required. The book is well researched and has ample footnotes and references.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:35 PM (53z96)

57 RIP.

Anna Puma, #33: I never knew that.

Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney, #18: "Does everything have to have some sort of PC moral?"

I don't see it that way.

I lived in Boston for a long time. One Fourth of July, a Globe syndicated columnist, a black angry-left type, wrote why he would not celebrate the Fourth of July. You can guess: litany of America's systematic injustices toward blacks.

Fired-up patriot that I was (and still am), I got very angry at him for this. I thought of Joe Louis, asked why a black man would fight for America: "Man, whatever's wrong with my country ain't nothing Hitler can fix."

Older and mellower, I now think being willing to defend America and fight for ideals they'd personally seen betrayed really was heroic; really was above and beyond.

The more I'm beaten over the head by the left with that litany, the more I understand that columnist, even if I don't like him any better. And the more I give thanks for those blacks, and American Indians, and Nisei, who believed as I do that we're worth fighting for.

Posted by: JPS at December 17, 2012 06:35 PM (YyAWS)

58 American women in those camps were used as "comfort women" for the officers.
Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:33 PM (53z96)



Gahh. Yet another attrocity I had not yet heard of. Though, of course, there were so many others this is no surprise. Too bad they gave up - wholesale atomization would have been a fitting end to their society.

Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2012 06:35 PM (jfeoD)

59 WalrusRex, a book that paints an interesting picture of Manzanar that does belie the whole mantra it was like Dachau is 'Manzanar' by John Armor and Peter Wright. Photos by Ansel Adams. The conditions were harsh but they managed to grow their own food, run their own newspaper, grocery store, and created a small town.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:35 PM (+k/kq)

60 "55 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:25 PM (79ueO)

Agreed. It is so easy to judge the America of 1942 by the mores of 2012.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv) "

Not really. The America of 2012 is such a miserable failure, I'm not sure why it thinks it has the right to judge anything. Even FDR's dystopian Leftist America.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:32 PM (AoWJ4)

I think you misunderstand us. We are agreeing with you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:34 PM (79ueO) "

Nah. You misunderstand me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:36 PM (AoWJ4)

61 So, on the one hand, he served his country. On the other, he betrayed it. Hmmm.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:33 PM (AoWJ4)

Come on, we can disagree, severely disagree, with someone with out them betraying their Country. Now Kerry that fuck, he did betray his Country and he is gong to be our next Sec of State...Shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:36 PM (79ueO)

62 So. What's the game tonight? How 'bout them Skins, eh? Insert non-political topic here?

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:36 PM (CWlPF)

63
I think you misunderstand us. We are agreeing with you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:34 PM (79ueO) "

Nah. You misunderstand me.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:36 PM (AoWJ4)


?? Ah shit, lets drink to it! What ever it is?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:37 PM (79ueO)

64 "Queen James Bible," hmm that's what I found in Barack's nightstand. Didn't know what it meant at the time. Kal must have gave it to him because all Reggie gave him was hemorrhoids for some wierd reason.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at December 17, 2012 06:38 PM (ZOf1l)

65 32 I'm sorry the end of your career had us on opposite sides Senator. RIP hero.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 06:26 PM (0q2P7)


I said the same thing about Benedict Arnold. Or maybe not. Except the

Posted by: Zombie George Washington at December 17, 2012 06:38 PM (qs9G3)

66 Reactionary, #39:

"why are we expected to excuse/lionize our enemies just because they have the good grace to lay down and die?"

Fair point, but Inoue wasn't my enemy: He was one of my political opponents. The enemy is the guy who wants to kill my family and can't be threatened, reasoned or bribed out of it.

Posted by: JPS at December 17, 2012 06:38 PM (YyAWS)

67 Except the hero part.

Posted by: Zombie George Washington at December 17, 2012 06:38 PM (qs9G3)

68 "57 RIP.

Anna Puma, #33: I never knew that.

Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney, #18: "Does everything have to have some sort of PC moral?"

I don't see it that way.

I lived in Boston for a long time. One Fourth of July, a Globe syndicated columnist, a black angry-left type, wrote why he would not celebrate the Fourth of July. You can guess: litany of America's systematic injustices toward blacks.

Fired-up patriot that I was (and still am), I got very angry at him for this. I thought of Joe Louis, asked why a black man would fight for America: "Man, whatever's wrong with my country ain't nothing Hitler can fix."

Older and mellower, I now think being willing to defend America and fight for ideals they'd personally seen betrayed really was heroic; really was above and beyond.

The more I'm beaten over the head by the left with that litany, the more I understand that columnist, even if I don't like him any better. And the more I give thanks for those blacks, and American Indians, and Nisei, who believed as I do that we're worth fighting for.

Posted by: JPS at December 17, 2012 06:35 PM (YyAWS) "

The value of a hero is determined by what he does for others/his country. Heroism isn't a "hey, look at me, look at how awesome I am" sort of thing. Not true heroism, anyway.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:38 PM (AoWJ4)

69
@ReutersZengerle:


Inouye's office reports his last word was "Aloha".

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:39 PM (1Y+hH)

70 Shit, They keep sending me that G-D damn HIPPA retraining reminder. How I hate that course

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:39 PM (79ueO)

71 Inouye's office reports his last word was "Aloha".
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:39 PM (1Y+hH)


Cough Cough. Sure

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:40 PM (79ueO)

72 The grandparents and father of one of my closest friends were interred. Ogichan said they were treated well enough, but it was very shameful to be locked up. You can't discount shame in that culture ; I'm sure it was horrible for them, regardless of what they said. I also understand why it was done. I don't agree with it, but like someone upthread said, different times.


They were farmers in Central CA and were resigned to the fact that their land was probably confiscated. Turns out the neighboring farmers took care of the land for them ( they grew grapes for raisins) and it was like they had never left.

That's what he spoke of first, if he spoke about it at all.... how wonderful his neighbors were. Man was chock full of character.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 17, 2012 06:41 PM (wdyFA)

73
So. What's the game tonight? How 'bout them Skins, eh? Insert non-political topic here?

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:36 PM (CWlPF)

Was lurking yesterday and saw that you have Boston's, how many?

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 17, 2012 06:41 PM (ZOf1l)

74 Cough Cough. SurePosted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:40 PM (79ueO)Heh. I report, you cough.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:41 PM (1Y+hH)

75 Better than, "Raise taxes!"

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:42 PM (1Y+hH)

76 "75 Better than, "Raise taxes!"

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:42 PM (1Y+hH) "

Heh.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:43 PM (AoWJ4)

77
Shit, They keep sending me that G-D damn HIPPA retraining reminder. How I hate that course

Heh, I read that as "restraining order." Y'all are just an awful influence on me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 06:44 PM (yiIja)

78 A true American Hero.

May he rest in peace.

Posted by: Big T Party at December 17, 2012 06:44 PM (WiQr+)

79 Well folks. have been at this since before 7 am. Time for a break for the day. bbt

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 06:45 PM (53z96)

80 OK - I LOL'ed. But really - why are we expected to excuse/lionize our enemies just because they have the good grace to lay down and die? It's bullshit. Some people make the world better by their presence. Others make it better by their absence.
Posted by: Reactionary at December 17, 2012 06:29 PM (jfeoD)


Reactionary, do you take your liberty so serious that you hesitate to honor someone who voted to enslave you and your progeny through meretricious legislation such as Obamacare? If so, I tip my hat to you.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 06:45 PM (qs9G3)

81
Daniel Inouye was from an interned Nisei family, was mistreated to a point, volunteered for service in the highly decorated 442nd Regiment, and yet still served with honor. Later elected Senator.

As Nevergiveup mentioned on the previous thread, Sgt. Rafael Peralta should have received the CMH, but has not. He was awarded his citizenship posthumously, as he was a only a legalresident alien prior to his death in action as a Marine in Iraq.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 06:45 PM (Md8Uo)

82 He used a gun, so I guess he's a child-murderer, eh Libs?

Posted by: Y-not at December 17, 2012 06:45 PM (5H6zj)

83 Shit, They keep sending me that G-D damn HIPPA retraining reminder. How I hate that course

Heh, I read that as "restraining order." Y'all are just an awful influence on me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 06:44 PM (yiIja)

It almost is a "restraining Order".... They will not let me treat any patients on Active Duty till i do it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:46 PM (79ueO)

84 Regarding fighting for America even when you're a second-class citizen, I think the boxer Joe Louis put it best: "Lots of things wrong with America, but Hitler ain't going to fix them."

Posted by: Trimegistus at December 17, 2012 06:47 PM (0hSOJ)

85 The internment probably wasn't necessary, but perfectly understandable.

Sure, it's perfectly understandable. Lock up 125,000 people, most of whom were born in the US, because of their inscrutable minds. It's OK that they lost jobs, businesses, most of their possessions. Totally understandable. Their camps were no worse than those used to inter Americans from German and Italian descent, so I'm not sure why they're such whiners about it.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 06:47 PM (+lsX1)

86 "82 He used a gun, so I guess he's a child-murderer, eh Libs?

Posted by: Y-not at December 17, 2012 06:45 PM (5H6zj) "

Of course, FDR and Truman murdered a lot of children... That's the sort of thing that tends to happen in war.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:48 PM (AoWJ4)

87 Round-eyed traitor who wanted Japan to win. Sgt Provoo, US Army.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2008/12/americas-wwii-johnny-lindh.html

Killed an Army medical officer. Boasted that all American women should be used by the Japanese for immoral purposes. And the Army screwed up and gave him an Honorable so he now lies buried in the Punchbowl.

List of the Japanese prisoner camps in the Dutch East Indies.
http://www.indischekamparchieven.nl/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:48 PM (+k/kq)

88 The left's reaction when a Republican dies: fuck him

The right's reaction when a Democrat dies: prayers and love

This is why we don't win anymore peeps.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (HDgX3)

89 By the way, did anyone think to organize an Arab-American Volunteer Regiment after 9/11? Let the nice loyal American Muslims show it rather than just whining?

Posted by: Trimegistus at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (0hSOJ)

90 RIP

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 17, 2012 06:50 PM (T/L2Z)

91 The left's reaction when a Republican dies: fuck him

The right's reaction when a Democrat dies: prayers and love

This is why we don't win anymore peeps.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (HDgX3)

Yeah right that's reason we lose???? Give me a break

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:50 PM (79ueO)

92 Many of the Japanese interned were in fact enemy sympathisers or agents.There were legitimate reasons to intern them.Like muslim terrorists today the Japanese true believers were suicidal die hards.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:51 PM (9XBK2)

93 "89 By the way, did anyone think to organize an Arab-American Volunteer Regiment after 9/11? Let the nice loyal American Muslims show it rather than just whining?

Posted by: Trimegistus at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (0hSOJ) "

Arab and Muslim are two different things. A lot of "Arab-Americans" are Christians. From countries which used to be quite Christian. But no one cares about that...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:51 PM (AoWJ4)

94 By the way, did anyone think to organize an Arab-American Volunteer Regiment after 9/11? Let the nice loyal American Muslims show it rather than just whining?
Posted by: Trimegistus at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (0hSOJ)

Sure Major Nidal Hassan. Hey how's that working out?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:51 PM (79ueO)

95
It almost is a "restraining Order".... They will not let me treat any patients on Active Duty till i do it.

Sounds like a requirement to practice. CE Units and such, I take it? Good luck, study hard.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (yiIja)

96
According to my mother, these camps were not
Auschwitz on the plains. The Japanese would celebrate their traditional
holidays and the towns people would come out to share with them. The
Japanese high school had a football team that played the other local
football teams. There were guard towers presumably armed with machine
guns and barbed wire but this wasn't a Nazi-like concentration camp.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 17, 2012 06:28 PM (XUKZU)
Yeah, but didn't the government take away their property?
BTW, I read that some of Italian and German descent were sent to camps as well.Sort of related: one of the designers of the WTC towers was a Japanese American whose family was not interred because a private architectural firm who needed him went to bat for him. Make of that what you will.His name was Minouru Yamasaki and, blessedly, he did not live to see his towers destroyed.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (Su0W2)

97 Yeah right that's reason we lose???? Give me a break

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:50 PM (79ueO)

_______________
Mitt "Obama's a Nice Guy" Romney

vs.
Barrack "We Bring a Gun to a Knife Fight" Obama
Any more questions?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (HDgX3)

98 OT - Fred Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church announces plans to picket Sandy Hook Memorials. Anonymous hacker group takes down all Westboro websites and publishes personal info on Westboro officials.

Really mixed feelings about this. Actually not - it's Westboro, so it's o.k.

Posted by: RightWingProf at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (E/o+q)

99 Did you read Drew's update? He pried the grenade out of his hand that was nearly severed from his body and threw it at the German gunman and took him out. That's really damn bad ass.

Posted by: L, elle at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (pprbB)

100
I've heard about Italian Americans being interred, but have never found any writings about it. My father immigrated to America from Italy in 1937, became a citizen around '43, and was drafted into the Army in '44, serving in Patton's ThirdArmy.

And yet, others with similar backgroundswere interred? Interesting. I wonder if being a citizen changed things.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:53 PM (1Y+hH)

101 Oops - link didn't insert http://tinyurl.com/cp5awtz

Posted by: RightWingProf at December 17, 2012 06:53 PM (E/o+q)

102 Was lurking yesterday and saw that you have Boston's, how many?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 17, 2012 06:41 PM (ZOf1l)

Just one Boston, a purebred that my wife got from the shelter. He's cute but very, very skittish. My other dog is a terrier mix, mostly Staffordshire and Jack Russell, and quite a handful.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:53 PM (CWlPF)

103 Steevy, yes there were some hard core Nippon Ichiban! in the camps. Which resulted in a few riots as the other camp inhabitants smashed their faces. Those nutjobs eventually were segregated into their own camp.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:53 PM (+k/kq)

104 As much as I despise Westboro and what they do,I don't want them silenced.Freedom of Speech includes speech I vehemently disagree with.The left doesn't understand this.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:54 PM (9XBK2)

105 Mitt "Obama's a Nice Guy" Romney

vs.
Barrack "We Bring a Gun to a Knife Fight" Obama
Any more questions?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (HDgX3)


Yeah on that I agree with ya. But for pete's sake a man died, and one that served his Country honorably. Disrespecting him is not gonna win us elections. There is a difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:55 PM (79ueO)

106 "96
According to my mother, these camps were not
Auschwitz on the plains. The Japanese would celebrate their traditional
holidays and the towns people would come out to share with them. The
Japanese high school had a football team that played the other local
football teams. There were guard towers presumably armed with machine
guns and barbed wire but this wasn't a Nazi-like concentration camp.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 17, 2012 06:28 PM (XUKZU)
Yeah, but didn't the government take away their property?
BTW, I read that some of Italian and German descent were sent to camps as well.Sort of related: one of the designers of the WTC towers was a Japanese American whose family was not interred because a private architectural firm who needed him went to bat for him. Make of that what you will.His name was Minouru Yamasaki and, blessedly, he did not live to see his towers destroyed.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 06:52 PM (Su0W2) "

FDR took a lot of people's property away. That's what Leftists do...

(That and set up concentration camps/gulags.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:55 PM (AoWJ4)

107
This is why we don't win anymore peeps.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 06:49 PM (HDgX3)




So this is why we can't have nice things?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:55 PM (1Y+hH)

108 L, elle look at my post #19.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 06:55 PM (+k/kq)

109 103 Yep,and German POW camps were often run by the (minority) hard core Nazi's.The Americans liked the "orderly" camps run by the Nazi's.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (9XBK2)

110 Woodpecker Lips.

Posted by: Witchfinder at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (pLTLS)

111 Yeah right that's reason we lose???? Give me a break

It's a symptom. For all the bluster, we still basically want to get along with them and share our country (I've shed some friends the last few years but not siblings).

They want to destroy us to the last man, woman, or child and rule over the ashes.

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (hO9ad)

112
Ken Burns got his comeuppance in the Blackstronaut video. Funny as hell. In fact I'd prolly put it in my top 10 list of funny internet shit.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (tOkJB)

113 "100
I've heard about Italian Americans being interred, but have never found any writings about it. My father immigrated to America from Italy in 1937, became a citizen around '43, and was drafted into the Army in '44, serving in Patton's ThirdArmy.

And yet, others with similar backgroundswere interred? Interesting. I wonder if being a citizen changed things.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 06:53 PM (1Y+hH) "

Some people are never allowed to be victims. That's just the way it is. Because Justice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (AoWJ4)

114 It's a symptom. For all the bluster, we still basically want to get along with them and share our country (I've shed some friends the last few years but not siblings).

They want to destroy us to the last man, woman, or child and rule over the ashes.
Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (hO9ad)


Sorry I don't buy that. I can separate the 2.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (79ueO)

115 104
As much as I despise Westboro and what they do,I don't want them
silenced.Freedom of Speech includes speech I vehemently disagree
with.The left doesn't understand this.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:54 PM (9XBK2)

I'm not sure I'd categorize what they want to do at the Newtown funerals/memorials as free speech. Exactly WHY must they exercise it there?


No, I'd call it harassment.

Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (X6akg)

116 Inouye wasn't the first true hero to piss away much of his goodwill by being a leftist pol.John Glenn is another.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (9XBK2)

117 Many of the Japanese interned were in fact enemy sympathisers or agents.There were legitimate reasons to intern them.

How many? How many racially homogenous "sympathisers" are necessary to justify imprisoning 125,000 people from that same race? Must have been a lot!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (+lsX1)

118 "104 As much as I despise Westboro and what they do,I don't want them silenced.Freedom of Speech includes speech I vehemently disagree with.The left doesn't understand this.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:54 PM (9XBK2) "

That sort of thinking is now considered "old fashioned." And therefore wrong. And forbidden.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (AoWJ4)

119 115 Slippery slope Tami."Why do those tea baggers have to protest here?"

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (9XBK2)

120 Raggedy-assed blog platform!


Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 06:59 PM (Su0W2)

121 117 I don't think the mass internment was justified.Just pointing out that there was some rational reason behind it not just race hatred.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:59 PM (9XBK2)

122 "114 It's a symptom. For all the bluster, we still basically want to get along with them and share our country (I've shed some friends the last few years but not siblings).

They want to destroy us to the last man, woman, or child and rule over the ashes.
Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 06:56 PM (hO9ad)


Sorry I don't buy that. I can separate the 2.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (79ueO) "

The two what? (I'm honestly not sure.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:00 PM (AoWJ4)

123 Exactly what are the Westboro loons protesting at the funerals?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:00 PM (1Y+hH)

124 Thanks Anna. Great detail. I always read the threads backwards, from the most recent back to the first. I hadn't gotten to yours yet. I should try to start reading with the first comment once and see what that's like.

Posted by: L, elle at December 17, 2012 07:01 PM (pprbB)

125 Steevy, German and Italian POW camps in Mississippi.
http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/index.php?id=233

Camp Clinton in Clinton, MS
http://tinyurl.com/clzgo8x

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:01 PM (+k/kq)

126



Iran Welcomes Egyptians’ Yes Vote To Sharia-Based Constitution…


Another foreign policy victory for obama and State

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:01 PM (79ueO)

127 The AI serving up the advertisements here is frighteningly smart. No sooner do I talk about my dogs but there's an ad on the front page for dog food. [shiver]

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:01 PM (CWlPF)

128 49 friggin years in the Senate?

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (fh2Y7)

129 Exactly WHY must they exercise it there?

There's no guarantee of venue or audience in the 1st amendment. If the services are on private property, they can be ejected.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (INNvP)

130 127 If Barky logged in he would see ads for dog butcher shops.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (9XBK2)

131 123 Exactly what are the Westboro loons protesting at the funerals?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:00 PM (1Y+hH)

Sanity and decency.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (Su0W2)

132

This is the guy who played Chin Ho on Hawaii Five-0, right?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (GcwH1)

133 119
115 Slippery slope Tami."Why do those tea baggers have to protest here?"


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (9XBK2)

I find it odd that Westboro only seems to protest at funerals. Is there no other time or place that they can exercise their right to free speech?
Just because you have the right, doesn't make it right.

Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (X6akg)

134 The two what? (I'm honestly not sure.)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:00 PM (AoWJ4)

1) vilifying dems for their communist and socialist policies that are destroying America

And

2) Honoring a True American Hero for his past deeds.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (79ueO)

135 "117 Many of the Japanese interned were in fact enemy sympathisers or agents.There were legitimate reasons to intern them.

How many? How many racially homogenous "sympathisers" are necessary to justify imprisoning 125,000 people from that same race? Must have been a lot!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (+lsX1) "

For fuck's sake. The Democrats committed serious war crimes, such as nuking entire cities (which, by the way, contained a lot of children) and this PC bullshit is what you want to yak about?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (AoWJ4)

136 Raggedy-assed blog platform!


Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 06:59 PM (Su0W2)Platform? Platform?This is a rickety rope ladder in Nepal stretched across an abyss thousands of feet deep. The ropes are frayed and the wood slats are mostly split or missing. Namaste, and good travels.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (1Y+hH)

137 "119 115 Slippery slope Tami."Why do those tea baggers have to protest here?"

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:58 PM (9XBK2) "

Yep.

That and mob vigilantes for Social Justice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (AoWJ4)

138 133 Not right and I hate them.But again,think of where silencing them might lead.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (9XBK2)

139 132

This is the guy who played Chin Ho on Hawaii Five-0, right?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (GcwH1)


Hey now, Chin-Ho was cool. And Chinese, but also cool.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (CWlPF)

140 Sorry I don't buy that. I can separate the 2.



Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:57 PM (79ueO) "



The two what? (I'm honestly not sure.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:00 PM (AoWJ4)
Politics and the rest of life, I think.Which demonstrates my point, at least as far as we are concerned.

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (hO9ad)

141 For fuck's sake. The Democrats committed serious war crimes, such as nuking entire cities (which, by the way, contained a lot of children) and this PC bullshit is what you want to yak about?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (AoWJ4)


That wasn't a war crime either. It was War

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (79ueO)

142
As much as I despise Westboro and what they do,I don't want them silenced.Freedom of Speech includes speech I vehemently disagree with.The left doesn't understand this.

I'm feeling a bit contrarian this fine evening. I'm rather pissed that the WBC uses the death of innocent children to aggrandize themselves and their ideology of hatred. I wouldn't have a problem with them being silenced and I'm all for Anonymous fucking up their operations.

This goes back to my belief that freedom of speech, particularly when "used" by the left, often crosses the line of sedition, yet they never get called on it. Not that what WBC is doing is sedition, but the principle still applies. And the WBC is a lefty organization. They have very little respect for the victim's families. I hope they can be held at a safe distance from the funerals by whatever means that are required.

Nobody who has lost a child in such senseless violence deserves that type of mistreatment, especially from a so-called "church."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (yiIja)

143 Inoyue didn't just throw grenades at the Germans, he threw one after he lost his arm...by prying it out of the hand on his nearly amputated arm.

That's some serious badassery right there.

RIP, Senator.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:05 PM (Su0W2)

144 He was like Randal Cunninham, John Glenn, John McCain.

Brave as the dickens as a young man and then a corrupted, venal Piece of Shit as an old man.

We salute the Young Man - we say good riddance to the mess they become,.

Posted by: george at December 17, 2012 07:05 PM (qBLA2)

145 "128 49 friggin years in the Senate?

Posted by: Corona at December 17, 2012 07:02 PM (fh2Y7) "

He just wanted to serve... You know, altruism and all that.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:05 PM (AoWJ4)

146
John Glenn? Don't get me started on that guy.

From a man I used to admire to being the weasily piece of political excrement he eventually became.

Pretty sad, but that's not the way the histories will be written about him. All the things that are known about him, lost like tears in the rain........

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 07:06 PM (Md8Uo)

147 1) vilifying dems for their communist and socialist policies that are destroying America



And



2) Honoring a True American Hero for his past deeds.


Okay. I stand corrected.

However, what is the likelihood we'd be discussing Inouye today had he not gone on to be a long time senator?

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:06 PM (hO9ad)

148 "138 133 Not right and I hate them.But again,think of where silencing them might lead.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (9XBK2) "

Why think when you can emote? Selfrighteously.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:07 PM (AoWJ4)

149 The technology of the day required what we would call indiscriminate bombing in WW2.Especially over Japan where any high altitude accuracy was impossible.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:07 PM (9XBK2)

150 I wonder if all those red states with shiny new Dem senators are still smiling.

Posted by: Invictus at December 17, 2012 07:07 PM (OQpzc)

151 146
John Glenn? Don't get me started on that guy.

I was pretty pissed when he got a place on the shuttle. You just know he bumped somebody who had worked and waited a very long time for that trip and had to wait some more.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:08 PM (CWlPF)

152 "141 For fuck's sake. The Democrats committed serious war crimes, such as nuking entire cities (which, by the way, contained a lot of children) and this PC bullshit is what you want to yak about?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (AoWJ4)


That wasn't a war crime either. It was War

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (79ueO) "

Murdering civilians en masse isn't a war crime?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:08 PM (AoWJ4)

153

without googlin,

what happened to Chin Ho; what was his fate nearcthe end of the series?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (Y/H0D)

154 re: Italian Americans being interned during WWII:
http://tinyurl.com/cmxuhf3

Even Ezio Pina was thrown in jail for three months.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (53riN)

155 149 The technology of the day required what we would call indiscriminate bombing in WW2.Especially over Japan where any high altitude accuracy was impossible.
Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:07 PM (9XBK2)

Why is this?

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (CWlPF)

156 "142
As much as I despise Westboro and what they do,I don't want them silenced.Freedom of Speech includes speech I vehemently disagree with.The left doesn't understand this.

I'm feeling a bit contrarian this fine evening. I'm rather pissed that the WBC uses the death of innocent children to aggrandize themselves and their ideology of hatred. I wouldn't have a problem with them being silenced and I'm all for Anonymous fucking up their operations.

This goes back to my belief that freedom of speech, particularly when "used" by the left, often crosses the line of sedition, yet they never get called on it. Not that what WBC is doing is sedition, but the principle still applies. And the WBC is a lefty organization. They have very little respect for the victim's families. I hope they can be held at a safe distance from the funerals by whatever means that are required.

Nobody who has lost a child in such senseless violence deserves that type of mistreatment, especially from a so-called "church."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (yiIja) "

You're selfaggrandizing right now.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (AoWJ4)

157 154 sorry, left of poor Ezio's z : Ezio Pinza

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (53riN)

158 You know what the name of John Glenn's F-86 was in the Korean War?

"Mig Mad Marine."

Sounds like he was glory hound all the way back then doesn't it?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (+k/kq)

159

bonus points if you name actor who played Kono

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (vzLhi)

160 >>>OK - I LOL'ed. But really - why are we expected to excuse/lionize
our enemies just because they have the good grace to lay down and die?
It's bullshit. Some people make the world better by their presence.
Others make it better by their absence.


You're kind of a worthless, small-minded, small-hearted, unpatriotic c*nt.

Just saying, is all. Don't take it the wrong way.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (/COnL)

161 However, what is the likelihood we'd be discussing Inouye today had he not gone on to be a long time senator?
Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:06 PM (hO9ad)


Well when a MOH recipient dies I do try to mention it. If I am not mistaken the last one to die was John William Finn (July 23, 1909 – May 27, 2010) was a sailor in the United States Navy who, as a chief petty officer, received the United States military's highest decoration, the Medal of Honor, for his actions during the attack on Pearl Harbor in World War II.

I stand corrected if I missed someone

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (79ueO)

162 Yeah on that I agree with ya. But for pete's sake a
man died, and one that served his Country honorably. Disrespecting him
is not gonna win us elections. There is a difference

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 06:55 PM (79ueO)

________________________
We often ask why is Boehner always getting rolled by Obama? It's because he doesn't understand politics is war while Obama does. You don't pay your enemy a compliment. You don't say what a nice guy he is. Their side understands this. Our side doesn't. And that's why we've been losing and will continue to lose.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (HDgX3)

163 155 The jet stream.B-29's once tried to bomb a target in Tokyo and the bombs landed 25 miles from the aim point in Tokyo Bay.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (9XBK2)

164 138
133 Not right and I hate them.But again,think of where silencing them might lead.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:04 PM (9XBK2)

No one is silencing them. They can spew their insanity any other time and at any other place.
I can't go marching around in the street a 3 am 'exercising my right to free speech'. I'd be arrested for disturbing the peace.


Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:11 PM (X6akg)

165 Mahalo, Senator Inoyue. Rest in peace.

Posted by: Andy at December 17, 2012 07:11 PM (ZSnCv)

166 Murdering civilians en masse isn't a war crime?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:08 PM (AoWJ4)


Dropping the A-Bomb on Japan--NO. It was War and for me probably a life saver since my day probably would have died on some G-D forsaken Beach in Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (79ueO)

167
You're selfaggrandizing right now.

Really?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (yiIja)

168
Yes, Glenn got that shuttle ride at 77 years old because of running political interference for Clinton during the hearings after the '96 election on their fund raising shenanigans. From Gore's "no controlling legal authority" days.

Frank Borman said as much as few years later, when he actually did call it a political payoff. A lot of the former astronauts don't think too highly of Glenn, by the way. Neil Armstrong did not, but was too polite to say so to Glenn's face.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (Md8Uo)

169 158 All the fighter pilots were like that.Read any of the memoirs,they had Mig fever ,they wanted to rack up kills and be famous.It's a fighter pilot personality trait.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (9XBK2)

170 >>>Murdering civilians en masse isn't a war crime?

You sound like a liberal. Or do you want to accuse Eisenhower and Truman of war crimes in dropping the bomb? Firebombing Dresden? How about William Tecumsah Sherman for that matter?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (/COnL)

171 "160 >>>OK - I LOL'ed. But really - why are we expected to excuse/lionize
our enemies just because they have the good grace to lay down and die?
It's bullshit. Some people make the world better by their presence.
Others make it better by their absence.

You're kind of a worthless, small-minded, small-hearted, unpatriotic c*nt.

Just saying, is all. Don't take it the wrong way.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (/COnL) "

You're an intelligent altruist Jeff B. The same cannot be said of him. You win.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (AoWJ4)

172 We often ask why is Boehner always getting rolled by Obama? It's because he doesn't understand politics is war while Obama does. You don't pay your enemy a compliment. You don't say what a nice guy he is. Their side understands this. Our side doesn't. And that's why we've been losing and will continue to lose.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:10 PM (HDgX3)

Bullshit. Saying something nice about an American Hero like Inouye is not the reason Boehner keeps getting rick-rolled. It's because Boehner is a putz

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:13 PM (79ueO)

173
135 Wait... you think the atomic bombs were war crimes? That would be a problem...

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (XDC0v)

174 For fuck's sake. The Democrats committed serious war crimes, such as
nuking entire cities (which, by the way, contained a lot of children)
and this PC bullshit is what you want to yak about?


Go fuck yourself hero. With every comment you sound stupider, which is kind of impressive really. I'm not sure how you contort yourself into believing that nuking Japan constituted serious war crimes, while someone being critical of the idea of imprisoning an entire race of our own people on the west coast is just PC bullshit. You might want to rethink that.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (+lsX1)

175 "166 Murdering civilians en masse isn't a war crime?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:08 PM (AoWJ4)


Dropping the A-Bomb on Japan--NO. It was War and for me probably a life saver since my day probably would have died on some G-D forsaken Beach in Japan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (79ueO) "

War crimes either exist or they don't. If they do, nuking entire cities is a war crime.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (AoWJ4)

176 "167
You're selfaggrandizing right now.

Really?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (yiIja) "

Yes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (AoWJ4)

177 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney may just be our worst new commenter.

Unless he's old, and using a new sock. In which case he was always among the worst and most morally degraded.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (/COnL)

178 Joncelli, you want the whole scoop on why high altitude bombing did not work too well over Japan?

First the B-29s operated at a higher altitude than the B-17s and B-24s did over Europe.

Second, this high altitude introduced a new phenomena to strategic bombing - the Jet Stream. It could slow the B-29s as much as 100mph.

Third the Jet Stream also affected where the bombs fell. Lots of misses.

Fourth was mechanical. The R-3350s in the B-29s were still a bit temperamental. So combat loaded B-29s with all those bombs would struggle off the islands like Tinian and Guam. Oft times the R-3350s would pack it in with a catastrophic fire. And there would go a B-29 and its crew.

Because of all these problems and a preponderance of wooden buildings, Gen. LeMay ordered a change of strategy. Low-altitude night attacks with incendiaries became the norm. Which is how in one night the heart of Tokyo was gutted.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (+k/kq)

179 1) vilifying dems for their communist and socialist policies that are destroying America



And



2) Honoring a True American Hero for his past deeds.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:03 PM (79ueO)

_________________
Yes but it's the same guy. He served his country and then voted for communist and socialist policies in the senate for 40 years or however long he was in. He was the 60th vote for Obamacare. When you have to wait 3 years to see a doctor, remember that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (HDgX3)

180

I was pretty pissed when he got a place on the shuttle. You just know he bumped somebody who had worked and waited a very long time for that trip and had to wait some more.

Plus he gets up there and naps the whole time.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (MPjT8)

181 All the Japanese had to do to make the killing stop was surrender.Same for the Germans.And the moral responsibility is their's as they started the war.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (9XBK2)

182 >>>You're selfaggrandizing right now.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (/COnL)

183 "170 >>>Murdering civilians en masse isn't a war crime?

You sound like a liberal. Or do you want to accuse Eisenhower and Truman of war crimes in dropping the bomb? Firebombing Dresden? How about William Tecumsah Sherman for that matter?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:12 PM (/COnL) "

Read the entire thread, you illiterate selfrighteous cunt.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (AoWJ4)

184 152 Not when they're combatants. And I assure you they were being trained to fight and were resolved and ready to do so. My father told me 'cuz he saw it with those ocular things in his head

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (XDC0v)

185
Inouye wrote that he pried the grenade out of his right hand and threw it at the German gunman...

Not mentioned is the special tailoring his pants neededto house his gigantic, pickle jar sized balls.

Posted by: SGT Ted at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (OoS+x)

186
Glenn was detached from the Marines to fly in an Air Force unit to get combat experience in jets. The Marines/ Navy did not operate the F-86. He served in the same squadron as Ted Williams, famous baseball player. Williams thought highly of Glenn as a man and a pilot, but did differentiate on his political choices later in life.

Teddy Ballgame was a pretty stout Republican.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (Md8Uo)

187
?? .... as Kono

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (Fely/)

188 "173
135 Wait... you think the atomic bombs were war crimes? That would be a problem...

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (XDC0v) "

For the Democrats?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (AoWJ4)

189 All the older real tough guys are dying off and we are left with twisted folks like McCain.

RIP Senator.
My dad was from that generation. They looked death in the face and then went on to build the America that is being dismantled before our eyes.

We should be ashamed. I know I am.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (+paCV)

190 War crimes either exist or they don't. If they do, nuking entire cities is a war crime.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (AoWJ4)

Sorry to me that just shows you don't have a good understanding of History and the issues involved in the decision to both make the bomb and drop it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (79ueO)

191 "174 For fuck's sake. The Democrats committed serious war crimes, such as
nuking entire cities (which, by the way, contained a lot of children)
and this PC bullshit is what you want to yak about?

Go fuck yourself hero. With every comment you sound stupider, which is kind of impressive really. I'm not sure how you contort yourself into believing that nuking Japan constituted serious war crimes, while someone being critical of the idea of imprisoning an entire race of our own people on the west coast is just PC bullshit. You might want to rethink that.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (+lsX1) "

The fact that you don't get something doesn't mean that its stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:18 PM (AoWJ4)

192 Bombing Hiroshima was a legitimate military target. Hiroshima made war material. It was also the headquarters for the army tasked with defending the beaches from an invasion. The estuaries were also clogged with small wooden suicide boats.

Its just the type of explosive used was different than say the bombing of the railway yards in Dresden.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:18 PM (+k/kq)

193
I pray that Sen. Inouye's father lived long enough to know that his son did great honor to himself, his family and his nation.

Reading this, you realize how small the rest of us are. What a man.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at December 17, 2012 07:18 PM (gxCRt)

194 189 On the other hand it was the tough guys of that generation that presided over the move towards a socialist America.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (9XBK2)

195 181
All the Japanese had to do to make the killing stop was surrender.Same
for the Germans.And the moral responsibility is their's as they started
the war.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (9XBK2)
Not to mention the horrible atrocities committed by both nations. And I'd say that the Japanese were worse--lower body count but more brutal.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (Su0W2)

196 "177 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney may just be our worst new commenter.

Unless he's old, and using a new sock. In which case he was always among the worst and most morally degraded.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (/COnL) "

An insult from Jeff B., cocksucker extraordinaire? That's basically a compliment. Thanks.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (AoWJ4)

197
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 17, 2012 07:09 PM (53riN)




Thanks! Don't know why I didn't find it, but thanks very much (Too much Montepulciano D'Abruzzo probably).

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (1Y+hH)

198

Bill Nelson is the fradonaut.

He had no business on that Shuttle.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (1WM2H)

199 War crimes either exist or they don't. If they do, nuking entire cities is a war crime.

Given the option, I'm voting for 'war crimes don't exist.'

Crimes are infractions in law and there is no authority over nations at war to pass or enforce such laws. There is only whoever prevails.

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (hO9ad)

200 195 Not necessarily lower,they had huge numbers of Chinese to work with.Meanwhile our "ally" Stalin was killing about as many of his own civilians as the Germans were.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:20 PM (9XBK2)

201 "182 >>>You're selfaggrandizing right now.

I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:16 PM (/COnL) "

Actually, it does, you cocksucker.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:20 PM (AoWJ4)

202 Three days before the bomb was dropped the Japanese issued an order throughout the Empire to kill all the Allied POW's in Japanese custody, because they didn't want them testifying about the reality of how they had been treated by the honorable Japanese. 350,000-400,000 people. People who were saved, and ONLY saved,by the atom bomb. What did you say about war crimes?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:20 PM (XDC0v)

203 There is only whoever prevails.
Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (hO9ad)


The Victors always make the Laws. Might makes right. That was true back then and it is true today. Something obama does not understand.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:21 PM (79ueO)

204 Pathetic. You think Kos will be lionizing Jim Demint when dies? No. He;ll be called a racist baby killing Nazi who ate kittens for brunch.

This is why conservatives are done as a national movement. At the end of the day we just don't have what it takes to fight. We're too nice or too moral or too whatever. Regardless of what "it" is, it has to change ASAP or it's truly over.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:22 PM (HDgX3)

205 200
195 Not necessarily lower,they had huge numbers of Chinese to work
with.Meanwhile our "ally" Stalin was killing about as many of his own
civilians as the Germans were.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:20 PM (9XBK2)

And so were the Chinese, right?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:22 PM (Su0W2)

206 Unless he's old, and using a new sock. In which case he was always among the worst and most morally degraded.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 17, 2012 07:15 PM (/COnL)He's been around, he has 'bad nights' from time to time. I just ignore him when he's having one.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:22 PM (1Y+hH)

207 202 Iguess those men should have been sacrificed for the sake of tender self-concepts

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (XDC0v)

208 Sources tell ABC News that the Inspector General for the Department of Defense has been preparing a report in which Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Michael Vickers is criticized for giving sensitive information to the filmmakers behind “Zero Dark Thirty.”
Specifically, Vickers is said to have disclosed to the filmmakers the identity of a member of SEAL Team Six — though not a member of the team that conducted the raid on Osama bin Laden‘s compound. Names of members of that team are not to be disclosed because of the potential for violent retaliation.
Some in the Pentagon think the Inspector General is holding the report until after the current Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, retires so as to not sully or embarrass him.


yeah and hillary just happens to have a concussion?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (79ueO)

209 "190 War crimes either exist or they don't. If they do, nuking entire cities is a war crime.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:14 PM (AoWJ4)

Sorry to me that just shows you don't have a good understanding of History and the issues involved in the decision to both make the bomb and drop it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:17 PM (79ueO) "

Address the point.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (AoWJ4)

210 Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both heavily leafleted prior to the bombing warning civilian residents to leave.

The Japanese had intentionally distributed war production facilities throughout residential areas.

They were perfectly legitimate targets.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (INNvP)

211 []The fact that you don't get something doesn't mean that its stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

No, but the fact that it comes from you does to a certainty.

Posted by: pep at December 17, 2012 07:24 PM (6TB1Z)

212 Address the point.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (AoWJ4)

I don't have the time or energy. Read a history book.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:24 PM (79ueO)

213 "199 War crimes either exist or they don't. If they do, nuking entire cities is a war crime.

Given the option, I'm voting for 'war crimes don't exist.'

Crimes are infractions in law and there is no authority over nations at war to pass or enforce such laws. There is only whoever prevails.

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (hO9ad) "

Yes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:25 PM (AoWJ4)

214 DAve is right. In the book 'Unbroken' it is mentioned this "Kill All" order.

In remotes of what was left of the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere the 'Kill All' order was carried out. On Peleilu the POWs were herded into a bunker and the bunker was then set afire, those who tried to escape were killed. When the Aussies liberated Sarawak they found a similar atrocity.

There will have to be a special mention of Wake Island. 1943, the Japanese commander of Wake rounded up the 83 remaining civilian American prisoners. Fearing invasion he had all of them murdered.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:25 PM (+k/kq)

215 Hey MUMR how about YOU address the point in #202?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:25 PM (XDC0v)

216
Baldilocks at 195.

Don't be too sure about the body count. There are millions of dead Chinese that were killed for being nothing more than Chinese and in the way of the occupying Japanese Army. The Rape of Nanking was just one large grotesque incident that was documented. There were many others. Plus the way the Japanese treated their POW's. After an Allied POW reached a German POW camp, there was a 56% chance he would live to be repatriated at the end of the war.

Reaching a Japanese POW camp, there was a 2% chance of surviving the war to return home.

There was a whole Japanese Army that was intact in China and Manchuria that could not get home because of the submarine warfare. Without the A-bombs and "unconditional surrender", there is no doubt that they would have killed a lot more Chinese civilians.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 07:26 PM (Md8Uo)

217 "203 There is only whoever prevails.
Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:19 PM (hO9ad)


The Victors always make the Laws. Might makes right. That was true back then and it is true today. Something obama does not understand.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:21 PM (79ueO) "

Something Obama definitely does understand.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:26 PM (AoWJ4)

218 Are we gonna get a cheerleader...er...football thread?

Posted by: Invictus at December 17, 2012 07:26 PM (OQpzc)

219 The Victors always make the Laws. Might makes right.
That was true back then and it is true today. Something obama does not
understand.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:21 PM (79ueO)

You'd think the guy who's main theory of governance is "I won" might wrap his head around the concept.Instead we have to show humility in dealing with our enemies.

Posted by: Methos at December 17, 2012 07:26 PM (hO9ad)

220 205 That came later after Mao won the civil war of course.The left always winds up killing huge numbers of people to create their paradise on earth.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (9XBK2)

221 "211 []The fact that you don't get something doesn't mean that its stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

No, but the fact that it comes from you does to a certainty.

Posted by: pep at December 17, 2012 07:24 PM (6TB1Z) "

Argumentum ad hominem. You never heard of it. Too busy sucking cock, I guess.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (AoWJ4)

222
He's been around, he has 'bad nights' from time to time. I just ignore him when he's having one.

I'm trying, I really am.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (yiIja)

223 "212 Address the point.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:23 PM (AoWJ4)

I don't have the time or energy. Read a history book.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:24 PM (79ueO) "

Ok.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (AoWJ4)

224 Rape of Nanking resulted in over 300,000 Chinese murdered. One Chinese woman was bayoneted over 60 times. Two Japanese Army lieutenants had a head chopping competition.

After the Doolittle Raid, the Japanese reprisal was brutal. Over 250,000 civilians murdered.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (+k/kq)

225 Yeah read "First Into Nagasaki" and tell me we shouldn't have dropped a few more plutonium surprises on them just for GP.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (MPjT8)

226 So he threw away all he fought for during his long Senate career. I don't thank him for jack.

Posted by: trump at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (F8Lnm)

227 "215 Hey MUMR how about YOU address the point in #202?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:25 PM (XDC0v) "

What point would that be?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:29 PM (AoWJ4)

228 The Victors always make the Laws. Might makes right.
That was true back then and it is true today. Something obama does not
understand.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:21 PM (79ueO)

And the winners write the history. Hi rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:29 PM (3Y7RV)

229 Heh.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 17, 2012 07:29 PM (1Y+hH)

230 216 Actually the Soviets rolled up the entire Manchurian army quickly after they jumped in.Compared to the Germans the Japanese were a pushover in an open theater.Armor against rifles is no contest,doesn't matter how fanatical the rifleman is.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:29 PM (9XBK2)

231 We really need a football thread and a pointy-elbowed cheerleader.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:30 PM (CWlPF)

232 >>The fact that you don't get something doesn't mean that its stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:18 PM (AoWJ4)

You're starting to remind me more and more of random.
That's not a good thing.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (aZ6ew)

233 And the winners write the history. Hi rons.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:29 PM (3Y7RV)

And get paid very well to it also I might add

Posted by: Winston Spencer Churchill at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (79ueO)

234 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Eddie Willers yet at December 17, 2012 07:26 PM (Md8Uo)

Yeah, just saw a special on hulu plus about the Allied POW guests of Imperial Japan. Remember the Smothers Brothers? Their dad died in the Bataan Death March.

I have the book The Rape of Nanking, just haven't been able to bring myself to read it.


Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (Su0W2)

235 "225 Yeah read "First Into Nagasaki" and tell me we shouldn't have dropped a few more plutonium surprises on them just for GP.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (MPjT "

You're talking about nuking women and children. Are you capable of comprehending that?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (AoWJ4)

236 It's hard to gloss over what FDR did to the Japanese Americans. The fact that so many Nisei fought so bravely is a credit to them and a discredit to FDR.
Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 06:23 PM (CWlPF)
Note that they served so bravely in the European theater. Think they would have as distinguished a record fighting in the Pacific one? Perhaps they would - but we don't know. That's what it would take to "prove" that they were loyal to the core and never deserving of internment.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (sGtp+)

237 231 Yes,it';s a 1st Amendment freedom we must exercise.The right to ogle hot chicks.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (9XBK2)

238 Well the Jets play tonight, that should provide some comic relief

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (79ueO)

239 An interesting what-if. Japan's secret A-bomb project in Korea.
http://39th.org/39th/hc/hc_japan_a_bomb.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (+k/kq)

240 "232 >>The fact that you don't get something doesn't mean that its stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:18 PM (AoWJ4)

You're starting to remind me more and more of random.
That's not a good thing.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (aZ6ew) "

And who the fuck are you?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (AoWJ4)

241 220
205 That came later after Mao won the civil war of course.The left
always winds up killing huge numbers of people to create their paradise
on earth.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (9XBK2)
That's what I was asking you about. Thanks.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (Su0W2)

242 236 I read about a Japanese American who fought in Vietnam.Coming out of the enemy tunnels he was always in danger of being shot.When they heard him curse they knew he was an American.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (9XBK2)

243 May he rest in peace.

However, it's obscene for anyone to "serve" 49 years in politics. I used to nto believe in term limits, because people should be able to vote for whomever they wish. No more. There's no call for people to make a career out of politics. We need also to end their permanent pensions and healthcare after their term in office. They can get those perks through real employment. Let them live by the laws they burden us with.

Posted by: Palandine at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (g7D8V)

244 Through the lens of the Constitution Inouye's damage to that document as a Senator after his service to it as a soldier was much greater. The balance of his deeds in our country's favor are found wanting.

Sufficient admonishment for his actions that brought our our country to it's present sorry state would be cause for others of his political cohort to turn from the destructive path that they have set us upon. Those that survive him that are making our lives b

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (qs9G3)

245
>>> Are we gonna get a cheerleader...er...football thread?

Hear! Hear!

And make it a Chinese cheerleader to honor Chin Ho.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (6OiNi)

246 Well the Jets play tonight, that should provide some comic relief
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (79ueO)

Well that should keep my attention for about ten minutes. Then I can return to the flame wars.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:33 PM (3Y7RV)

247 442nd Army. Go For Broke!



http://tinyurl.com/ddnxx6

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 17, 2012 07:34 PM (wR+pz)

248 Think they would have as distinguished a record fighting in the Pacific one? Perhaps they would - but we don't know. That's what it would take to "prove" that they were loyal to the core and never deserving of internment.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:31 PM (sGtp+)

That's bullshit and there were pretty convincing logistical reasons why they were not deployed to the Pacific

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:34 PM (79ueO)

249
117 I don't think the mass internment was
justified.Just pointing out that there was some rational reason behind
it not just race hatred.


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 06:59 PM (9XBK2)






Case in point. The Niihau Incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_Incident

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 17, 2012 07:34 PM (TIIx5)

250 243 To be fair,the founders intended the Senate to be a long term proposition.Of course,they also intended they be selected by the State.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:35 PM (9XBK2)

251
Well the Jets play tonight, that should provide some comic relief.

Well, they could always get Greg McElroy to save the day again. Or Tim Tebow...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 07:35 PM (yiIja)

252 Those that survive him that are making our lives more brutish, nasty and short, in Congress and in the Executive, should be ashamed. He cannot be, for now he is dead.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:35 PM (qs9G3)

253 "252 Those that survive him that are making our lives more brutish, nasty and short, in Congress and in the Executive, should be ashamed. He cannot be, for now he is dead.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:35 PM (qs9G3) "

Depends on whether you believe in the afterlife or not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (AoWJ4)

254 Its just the type of explosive used was different than say the bombing of the railway yards in Dresden.

By the time Dresden was bombed, allied strategy was clearly based upon the bombing of civilians as a means of breaking their will continue the war. It wasn't a raid on a military target that got out of hand; the destruction of the city was intended. I'm now saying that it was wrong given the Germans' routine bombing of civilians, but the Allies weren't just going after rail yards.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (QKKT0)

255 >>And who the fuck are you?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (AoWJ4)

Someone that's seen your tired act a million times. And believe me the impression that you leave is both ugly and light as a fucking feather.Smoke, wind and fake haughty intelligence.
Time to change your nic, it's worn out here.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (aZ6ew)

256 Jesus sweet fucking Christ. I love how fucking history illiterate idiots think my uncle should have died along with literally MILLIONS of others in a land invasion of Japan. Yeah, right you fucking genius, dropping leaflets on a city that warn of an impending bombing, then killing 60,000-150,000 military and civilians is much much worse than sacrificing MILLIONS in an assault on the Rising Sun. You are beyond stupid if you believe that.
Read a goddamn book. Talk to a fucking WW II vet. Read the death counts of the battles on Okinawa and Iwo Jima as the allies advanced on Japan. Read about the tens of thousands Japanese soldiers who died in deliberate suicide charges and the tens of thousands of Japanese civilians---women and their children who committed suicide instead of surrendering to the Allies. Think about a military command that sees Hiroshima but lets Nagasaki happen rather than surrender right away.
Fool.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (+paCV)

257 Steevy, dig up the book 'Prisoners of the Japanese' by Gavan Daws.

Frank Fujita, Texas Army National Guard. His unit was shipped to the Philippines before Pearl Harbor. He was captured by the Japanese. It took the Japanese a year to figure out they had a Son of Japan who was an American. They tried to get Frank to make broadcasts from Tokyo like Provoo. Frank did all he could to act an idiot. So eventually the Japanese made him the radio station janitor. He got to witness the B-29s fire-bombing Tokyo, he was jumping up and down in celebration.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (+k/kq)

258
You're talking about nuking women and children. Are you capable of comprehending that?
======
Read the fucking book then come back at me.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (MPjT8)

259 The Senator was a great warrior that served with honor and distinction. He was also part of the major wave of Progressivism that we are dealing with today. Maybe he was a good man with FKD up ideas. In our government, he wouldn't be the first.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (3Y7RV)

260 "255 >>And who the fuck are you?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:32 PM (AoWJ4)

Someone that's seen your tired act a million times. And believe me the impression that you leave is both ugly and light as a fucking feather.Smoke, wind and fake haughty intelligence.
Time to change your nic, it's worn out here.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (aZ6ew) "

You like to watch?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (AoWJ4)

261 249 Yes,there were also numerous Japanese intel agents who paved the way for the attacks.By photographing the harbor,the defenses etc.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (9XBK2)

262 "256 Jesus sweet fucking Christ. I love how fucking history illiterate idiots think my uncle should have died along with literally MILLIONS of others in a land invasion of Japan. Yeah, right you fucking genius, dropping leaflets on a city that warn of an impending bombing, then killing 60,000-150,000 military and civilians is much much worse than sacrificing MILLIONS in an assault on the Rising Sun. You are beyond stupid if you believe that.
Read a goddamn book. Talk to a fucking WW II vet. Read the death counts of the battles on Okinawa and Iwo Jima as the allies advanced on Japan. Read about the tens of thousands Japanese soldiers who died in deliberate suicide charges and the tens of thousands of Japanese civilians---women and their children who committed suicide instead of surrendering to the Allies. Think about a military command that sees Hiroshima but lets Nagasaki happen rather than surrender right away.
Fool.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (+paCV) "

Threads. Are you capable of reading them?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:38 PM (AoWJ4)

263 Cicero, please read this. If I am wrong I would like to see your sources.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2007/11/lies-of-dresden.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:38 PM (+k/kq)

264 "258
You're talking about nuking women and children. Are you capable of comprehending that?
======
Read the fucking book then come back at me.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (MPjT "

Answer the fucking question. Yes or no?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:39 PM (AoWJ4)

265 257 I've read about him.There were other Japanese Americans dragged in as well.Germans too who were visiting the fatherland at the wrong time.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:39 PM (9XBK2)

266 You like to watch?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (AoWJ4)

You are punchin above your weight champ. Take a break.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:39 PM (3Y7RV)

267 "261 249 Yes,there were also numerous Japanese intel agents who paved the way for the attacks.By photographing the harbor,the defenses etc.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (9XBK2) "

Yep.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (AoWJ4)

268 226 So he threw away all he fought for during his long Senate career. I don't thank him for jack.
Posted by: trump at December 17, 2012 07:28 PM (F8Lnm)


Dang, you concisely stated my position with 80% less verbiage.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (qs9G3)

269 Well this thread has gone all to shit.....

Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (X6akg)

270 Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (+paCV)

Amen. My Dad was first wave at Iwo Jima and lived, but would have been also on whatever future invasion of Japan also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (79ueO)

271 "266 You like to watch?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:37 PM (AoWJ4)

You are punchin above your weight champ. Take a break.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:39 PM (3Y7RV) "

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:41 PM (AoWJ4)

272 I think there was a case during the first Iraq war where one surrendered soldier was an American citizen conscripted into the Iraqi army when the war started.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:41 PM (9XBK2)

273 Since it seems a certain someone's cranium is denser than the nuclear tamper in Little Man, time for dinner.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (+k/kq)

274 Well this thread has gone all to shit.....
Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (X6akg)

This is going to be a fucking long week.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (q177U)

275 So,where did the ewok go to vacation?Or is it a secret??

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)

276 "273 Since it seems a certain someone's cranium is denser than the nuclear tamper in Little Man, time for dinner.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (+k/kq) "

And yet, I always win. How do you explain it, Gummiebaerchen?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:43 PM (AoWJ4)

277 So,where did the ewok go to vacation?Or is it a secret??
Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)
------------------------------------------------------
Hoboken.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 17, 2012 07:43 PM (jucos)

278 275 So,where did the ewok go to vacation?Or is it a secret??
Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)


Subterranean lair in the sewers of NYC, where he experiments with Valu-Rite and tan-line pron.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (CWlPF)

279 And yet, I always win.

Win what?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (O6q63)

280 MUMR you're being deliberately obtuse- not arguing in good faith. Since i consider you a friend I'm remaining cordial on this but you're wrong and not seeming to be disposed to learn

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (XDC0v)

281 Depends on whether you believe in the afterlife or not.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (AoWJ4)

I guess shame that might do us some good in the temporal. His eternal shame doesn't help us now that he has shuffled off this mortal coil.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (qs9G3)

282 I used to think Mirror Universe was a troll, but I think he just likes to argue with people. I would say the former is on purpose and the latter is a compulsion.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (q177U)

283

ZULU

Kono was played by the actor ZULU

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (3oX3m)

284 Cicero, please read this. If I am wrong I would like to see your sources.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2007/11/lies-of-dresden.html


Interesting, but I'm not relying on anything David Irving wrote. I'm still at work and unable to cite specific material, but I believe even Churchill, who was hardly a hankie-twister, demanded a review of Allied strategy after Dresden. Strategy, not execution. Arthur Harris made a number of statements before Dresden about Allied strategy shifting from military targets to civilian ones but again, I'm going from memory here.

Also, I didn't know you had your own blog. Does AllenG know about this?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (QKKT0)

285 And yet, I always win. How do you explain it, Gummiebaerchen?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:43 PM (AoWJ4)

What did you win? I hope it was good enough to make up for the respect you have lost.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (3Y7RV)

286 "279 And yet, I always win.

Win what?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (O6q63) "

The Internet, fluffer. The Internet.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (AoWJ4)

287 Or a case of intermittent missed meds.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (Su0W2)

288 275
So,where did the ewok go to vacation?Or is it a secret??


Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)


He got a sweet deal at Jones beach.

Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:46 PM (X6akg)

289 "280 MUMR you're being deliberately obtuse- not arguing in good faith. Since i consider you a friend I'm remaining cordial on this but you're wrong and not seeming to be disposed to learn

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (XDC0v) "

Answer the question. Or don't. But if you don't, stay quiet for a while.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:46 PM (AoWJ4)

290 This is going to be a fucking long week.
Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:42 PM (q177U)


It's gonna be a long next 4 years.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:46 PM (79ueO)

291 Cicero, I think AllenG might know I have a blog.

I wrote the article to try and dismantle all the lies of Irving and his fellow haters peddle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:47 PM (+k/kq)

292 How is it that you have won the internet?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:47 PM (O6q63)

293 chow.com/recipes/10758-best-eggnog

chow hound has a cool eggnog recipe. Supposedly it can be aged in the fridge for a YEAR.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:47 PM (q177U)

294 ZULU

Kono was played by the actor ZULU

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (3oX3m)

And Chin Ho was played by Wo Fat

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:47 PM (qs9G3)

295 "281 Depends on whether you believe in the afterlife or not.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:36 PM (AoWJ4)

I guess shame that might do us some good in the temporal. His eternal shame doesn't help us now that he has shuffled off this mortal coil.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (qs9G3) "

Not everything is about the here and now.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)

296 One of the problems that surfaces often enough here is that people don't seem to be able to disagree at all without being insulting or saying fuck off. Maybe why they're not busy having conversations with real people in meatspace right now instead. Lots of Aspy tendencies on display here often...

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (XDC0v)

297 Affording women and children special consideration is not something evident as any sort of anthropological constant in the species base wiring over the past 10,000 years.

The notion's value as a survival trait is yet to be determined since it really only surfaced in the past several hundred years.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (INNvP)

298 293 Obama logged on to that site and was disappointed.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (9XBK2)

299 Left when talking about McCain: He's a crazy old fool and dangerous because he loves wars and stuff. And look he's so stupid he can't even use email (because his arms were so badly beaten it hurts to type). Crazy old fuck!

Right when talking about this guy: What an awesome guy. Like totally awesome. No really, the awesomest. Did I mention how awesome he was?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (HDgX3)

300 "282 I used to think Mirror Universe was a troll, but I think he just likes to argue with people. I would say the former is on purpose and the latter is a compulsion.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:44 PM (q177U) "

It's not so much that I like to argue with people (although that's true), as it is that people like to argue with me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)

301
Jihadi leader to Christians: Convert to Islam or die
Syria resident Ahmad Al Baghdadi Al Hassani's comments seem to indicate growing anti-Christian sentiment in Muslim world
jn1.tv
Published: 12.18.12, 01:12 / Israel News



VIDEO - Jihadi leader Ahmad Al Baghdadi Al Hassani referred to Christians as polytheists and "friends of the Zionists."

In a recent Egyptian TV address, the extremist leader stressed that Christians must choose "Islam or death," while their women and daughters may legitimately be regarded as wives of Muslims.


Hey I got an idea, lets support these fine folk? Another foreign policy victory for obama and hillary who has a headache.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (79ueO)

302 That's bullshit and there were pretty convincing logistical reasons why they were not deployed to the Pacific
I don't care what the logistical reasons were. To prove that Nisei had ZERO problems with divided loyalties to their parent's homeland, you have to show that they're willing to fight against it with no reservations. Any excuse why they should not be used in that way is a point in favor of internment.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (v3pYe)

303 Lots of Aspy tendencies on display here often...


DING DING DING DING DING!!!

Not naming any names though.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:49 PM (QKKT0)

304 It's not so much that I like to argue with people (although that's true), as it is that people like to argue with me.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)

Not Anymore.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:49 PM (3Y7RV)

305 296
One of the problems that surfaces often enough here is that people don't
seem to be able to disagree at all without being insulting or saying
fuck off. Maybe why they're not busy having conversations with real
people in meatspace right now instead. Lots of Aspy tendencies on
display here often...

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (XDC0v)

___________________
I know you are but what am I?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:49 PM (HDgX3)

306 Well this thread has gone all to shit.....


Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (X6akg)

The random factor.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (aZ6ew)

307 301 Annnd Obama sends over more F-16's.....

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (9XBK2)

308 *looks left, then looks right* No one is talking about wittile ol me are they?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (+k/kq)

309 "285 And yet, I always win. How do you explain it, Gummiebaerchen?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:43 PM (AoWJ4)

What did you win? I hope it was good enough to make up for the respect you have lost.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (3Y7RV) "

I did not set out to lose any respect. If I have, I am sorry. For you.


(But I suggest reading all the comments in order.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (AoWJ4)

310 296 One of the problems that surfaces often enough here is that people don't seem to be able to disagree at all without being insulting or saying fuck off. Maybe why they're not busy having conversations with real people in meatspace right now instead. Lots of Aspy tendencies on display here often...
Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (XDC0v)

I blame JeffB.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (qs9G3)

311 "287 Or a case of intermittent missed meds.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 17, 2012 07:45 PM (Su0W2) "

Funny. And high brow.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (AoWJ4)

312 Not naming any names though.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:49 PM (QKKT0)

My Daughter has Aspies. I would be offended if you were not right. But you are. Right, that is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (3Y7RV)

313 The standard come back in the HQ is "fuck you".Moron's don't take offense.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (9XBK2)

314 289 MUMR being a dick to me is a mistake- anyways if and only if you are truly disposed to a search for truth, I'll answer whatever questions you desire. Genuinely I don't know which question you're referring to but let me know and I'll tell you my answer. As I say we've known each other quite a while so I'm extending you significant courtesy and hoping you're just having a bad day

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (XDC0v)

315 I don't care what the logistical reasons were. To prove that Nisei had ZERO problems with divided loyalties to their parent's homeland, you have to show that they're willing to fight against it with no reservations. Any excuse why they should not be used in that way is a point in favor of internment.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (v3pYe)

You don't care what the logistical reasons were? Probably not sitting here 60 odd years later in the safety of the USA, but the Marines in Pacific probably were damn happy they knew who the enemy was and who the enemy was not.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (79ueO)

316 "292 How is it that you have won the internet?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:47 PM (O6q63) "

Such a complex matter cannot be explained to a simpleton, fluffer.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:52 PM (AoWJ4)

317 *looks left, then looks right* No one is talking about wittile ol me are they?

Not me. I think you're a valuable member of the AoSHQ community. Just sayin. ;-)

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:52 PM (QKKT0)

318 310 I blame him for everything by default.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:52 PM (9XBK2)

319 Actually there were Nisei in uniform in the Pacific theater. Usually used behind the lines to interrogate prisoners and translate captured documents.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:53 PM (+k/kq)

320 "297 Affording women and children special consideration is not something evident as any sort of anthropological constant in the species base wiring over the past 10,000 years.

The notion's value as a survival trait is yet to be determined since it really only surfaced in the past several hundred years.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (INNvP) "

Yes.

(But I see everyone else is much less brave.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:53 PM (AoWJ4)

321 Actually there were Nisei in uniform in the Pacific theater. Usually used behind the lines to interrogate prisoners and translate captured documents.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:53 PM (+k/kq)

yes but not in mass and as you said in the rear

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:53 PM (79ueO)

322 >>It's not so much that I like to argue with people (although that's true), as it is that people like to argue with me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)


Self Awareness,
Get some Dipshit

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:54 PM (aZ6ew)

323 Teh internetz were made by and for people on the autism spectrum.

Posted by: joncelli at December 17, 2012 07:54 PM (CWlPF)

324 MUMR you're self-destructing here. Please stop-

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:54 PM (XDC0v)

325 Such a complex matter cannot be explained to a simpleton, fluffer.

Why do you veer into insults? Do you have violent thoughts towards your fellow residents?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:55 PM (O6q63)

326 LeMay's reasoning was that all war is immoral anyway,and the Japanese started it.He was willing to do what was necessary to end it as quickly as possible.I can't disagree with his reasoning.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:55 PM (9XBK2)

327 NAACP Voices “Major Concerns” About Tim Scott’s Appointment To Senate…

??? And do these cock suckers get classified as a Charity?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:56 PM (79ueO)

328 Autism is the new ADD....everyone kid that doesn't fit the perfect model of what a child should be will have it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 07:56 PM (HDgX3)

329 "302 That's bullshit and there were pretty convincing logistical reasons why they were not deployed to the Pacific
I don't care what the logistical reasons were. To prove that Nisei had ZERO problems with divided loyalties to their parent's homeland, you have to show that they're willing to fight against it with no reservations. Any excuse why they should not be used in that way is a point in favor of internment.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (v3pYe) "

It's about people proving how "enlightened" and progressive they are...


(So logic has absolutely nothing to do with it.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:56 PM (AoWJ4)

330 "304 It's not so much that I like to argue with people (although that's true), as it is that people like to argue with me.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)

Not Anymore.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:49 PM (3Y7RV) "

Whatever.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (AoWJ4)

331 "297 Affording women and children special consideration is not something evident as any sort of anthropological constant in the species base wiring over the past 10,000 years.

The notion's value as a survival trait is yet to be determined since it really only surfaced in the past several hundred years.

It makes me wonder if the lack of savagery has actually extended wars and stopped actions like the gulf war from reaching their proper conclusion. Full capitulation.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (3Y7RV)

332 NAACP Voices “Major Concerns” About Tim Scott’s Appointment To Senate…



The irony, it BURRRRRRNS!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (QKKT0)

333 327 Of course,he's not the "right" kind of brother,he's a corn ball brother.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (9XBK2)

334 "306 Well this thread has gone all to shit.....


Posted by: Tami at December 17, 2012 07:40 PM (X6akg)

The random factor.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (aZ6ew) "

The cocksucker factor.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (AoWJ4)

335 You don't care what the logistical reasons were? Probably not sitting here 60 odd years later in the safety of the USA, but the Marines in Pacific probably were damn happy they knew who the enemy was and who the enemy was not. An excellent logistical reason.
Still not evidence of undivided loyalty to the US.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (v3pYe)

336 I guess shame that might do us some good in the temporal. His eternal shame doesn't help us now that he has shuffled off this mortal coil.
Posted by: Minuteman


He started strong but supported a lot of the progressive agenda that we are dealing with now as he grew older. My point about shame is that he went out and actually fought evil, then came home and rebuilt the Country. I was a fan of his in my youth but became disillusioned with him later as he veered further Left. Still, I respected him while who the fuck respects McCain or John F'n Kerry?
I really shouldn't post on days I have to take pain meds. I lose perspective.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (+paCV)

337 Lots of Aspy tendencies on display here often...
Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (XDC0v)

Well...people who hang out on political blogs probably tend toward the hot headed. LOL, the things I said about Romney during the primaries was just awful.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 17, 2012 07:58 PM (q177U)

338 "308 *looks left, then looks right* No one is talking about wittile ol me are they?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 07:50 PM (+k/kq) "

Of course not, Gummiebaerchen.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:58 PM (AoWJ4)

339 Still not evidence of undivided loyalty to the US.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (v3pYe)


Hum? So do you also question the loyalty of Jewish Americans?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:58 PM (79ueO)

340 I worry that adding another member to the CBC will make it tip over.

Posted by: Rep Hank Johnson (D)umb at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (jucos)

341 >>The cocksucker factor.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (AoWJ4)

Self honesty is a good first step.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (aZ6ew)

342 The last hour reminds me of nothing more than the hour that Treacher self-immolated here. What a waste for everyone concerned

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (XDC0v)

343 I really shouldn't post on days I have to take pain meds. I lose perspective.
Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (+paCV)

Nah, I like the way you post

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 08:00 PM (79ueO)

344 342 I think pain meds and alcohol were the dominant factor there.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 08:00 PM (9XBK2)

345 327 NAACP Voices “Major Concerns” About Tim Scott’s Appointment To Senate…

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 07:56 PM (79ueO)

Remember what I said before I told Jamie Foxx how good it feels to kill whitey:

"I have a dream that my children won't be judged by the content of their character, but the color of their skin."

Posted by: Mirror Universe Martin Luther King, King Luther Martin at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (qs9G3)

346 "314 289 MUMR being a dick to me is a mistake- anyways if and only if you are truly disposed to a search for truth, I'll answer whatever questions you desire. Genuinely I don't know which question you're referring to but let me know and I'll tell you my answer. As I say we've known each other quite a while so I'm extending you significant courtesy and hoping you're just having a bad day

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:51 PM (XDC0v) "

Nuking women and children. Yes or no?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (AoWJ4)

347 I think pain meds and alcohol were the dominant factor there.
Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 08:00 PM (9XBK2)


They make you really honest.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (3Y7RV)

348 The thread was like that before I posted. I swear.

Posted by: Daybrother prays for SMOD to end thread at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (+paCV)

349 344 I kept telling him that at the time but he wasn't self-aware enough to stop

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (XDC0v)

350 Paul Tibbits, ENola Gay's pilot, did not think an atomic bomb was that earth shattering. It was just a more powerful weapon to be used to end the damn war before many more Americans died.

Iwo Jima and Okinawa were horrible meat grinders that foretold what the US would face with Operation Olympic. The invasion of the Japanese home islands.

Banzai Cliff on Saipan where Japanese women and children jumped to their deaths was truly gruesome. For decades the civilians were told that all the Americans would do would be to rape the women. So they leaped to their deaths. The book 'From Hell to Eternity' talks of a Mexican-American Marine, raised by Nisei in southern California, who served on Saipan. He was one of the guys who tried to talk the civilians from jumping. It later became a movie starring Jeffrey Hunter and David Janssen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (+k/kq)

351 "322 >>It's not so much that I like to argue with people (although that's true), as it is that people like to argue with me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:48 PM (AoWJ4)


Self Awareness,
Get some Dipshit

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:54 PM (aZ6ew) "

You first. Cocksucker.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:02 PM (AoWJ4)

352 Hum? So do you also question the loyalty of Jewish Americans?If the US were in a shooting war with Israel, then yes, I would have questions about the loyalty of Jewish Americans. Blood ties are meaningful to many, if not all.(Hell, I'd have questions about my own loyalty, if it's under the SCOAMF)Yes, it's wonderful that Japanese Americans fought bravely against Germans. That is not proof that Japanese Americans would have effectively fought against Japan, or that the ones back home wouldn't act against the US-Japan war effort "for the sake of peace".

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (sGtp+)

353 The last hour reminds me of nothing more than the hour that Treacher self-immolated here. What a waste for everyone concerned

The big difference between this and the Treacher meltdown is that everyone thought Treacher was smart before that debacle. This one isn't much of a surprise.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (+lsX1)

354 It makes me wonder if the lack of savagery has actually extended wars
and stopped actions like the gulf war from reaching their proper
conclusion. Full capitulation.


The law of unintended consequences is a stone cold bitch. Democrats and progressives seem oblivious to that.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (INNvP)

355 "325 Such a complex matter cannot be explained to a simpleton, fluffer.

Why do you veer into insults? Do you have violent thoughts towards your fellow residents?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 07:55 PM (O6q63) "

Because you and I have a history, fluffer.

Don't play stupider than you actually are.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (AoWJ4)

356 Apologies for the run on paragraphs. IE7. = /

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (oY6Yp)

357 346 Absolutely. I would nuke 80,000 women and children semi-combatants to save 400,000 POW's all day everyday and twice on Sunday. Thanks for getting back to me and sorry i lost track as I took a phone call in the middle of this thread. Would you let the POW's die instead?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (XDC0v)

358 >>The last hour reminds me of nothing more than the hour that Treacher self-immolated here. What a waste for everyone concerned

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (XDC0v)

Completely missed that, but I hope that you're not making a comparison.Unless the Treacher stuff was THAT bad.I had liked reading his stuff elsewhere.
Was he the one that got hit and runned?

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:04 PM (aZ6ew)

359 318 310 I blame him for everything by default.
Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 07:52 PM (9XBK2)

Fun Fact: steevy knows the secret handshake to the "JeffB is a Dick" Club.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:04 PM (qs9G3)

360 "341 >>The cocksucker factor.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (AoWJ4)

Self honesty is a good first step.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (aZ6ew) "

So take it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:05 PM (AoWJ4)

361 I have found MUMR thoughtful in our history together. That's why I'm investing in reciprocity

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:05 PM (XDC0v)

362 "342 The last hour reminds me of nothing more than the hour that Treacher self-immolated here. What a waste for everyone concerned

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 07:59 PM (XDC0v) "

Don't worry. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:05 PM (AoWJ4)

363 359 I like Jeff though.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (9XBK2)

364 Nuking women and children. Yes or no?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (AoWJ4)
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Do we have Nukes we can drop that would only kill men? I was unaware such weapons existed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (jucos)

365 Because you and I have a history, fluffer.

We do have a history, but are you that determined to hold a grudge? You seem to enjoy insulting people more than you seem to enjoy arguing.

Do you have violent thoughts towards your fellow residents?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (O6q63)

366 358 Yep. And he freaked out when someone joked about it. Which was pretty reasonable considering the trauma he went through

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (XDC0v)

367 The 442nd got to kill lots of white people.

Posted by: Austute Observer, Relevant anf Factual at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (dwr/G)

368 366 And then the Clique ganged up on him and it just freaked him out even worse. It was awful.

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:07 PM (XDC0v)

369 Do we have Nukes we can drop that would only kill men? I was unaware such weapons existed.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (jucos)
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Yes, the Ellen Degenerous Bomb

Posted by: Austute Observer, Relevant and Factual at December 17, 2012 08:09 PM (dwr/G)

370 >>So take it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:05 PM (AoWJ4)
What are you 13?Are you too young to understand the concept of embarrassing yourself?with everyone?repeatedly?


Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:09 PM (aZ6ew)

371 Not to rehash the Treacher incident but the original comment that freaked him out was innocuous.No one was aware how seriously he was hurt.He than went on and on and was completely unreasonable.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 08:09 PM (9XBK2)

372 357 Question has been put. Look people i can understand why someone would believe as MUMR does even though I fully disagree for reasons I've stated. Are y'all incapable of even that?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:09 PM (XDC0v)

373 "357 346 Absolutely. I would nuke 80,000 women and children semi-combatants to save 400,000 POW's all day everyday and twice on Sunday. Thanks for getting back to me and sorry i lost track as I took a phone call in the middle of this thread. Would you let the POW's die instead?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:03 PM (XDC0v) "

No. But I also happen to believe that I am saved. Selfaggrandizing, selfrighteous moralists would do well to live and die by selfaggrandizing, selfrighteous moralism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:10 PM (AoWJ4)

374 371 And the wolves circled and viciously would not help him back it down. It was a day that this place was not covered in glory.

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:11 PM (XDC0v)

375 Commercials starting for that Matt Damon anti fracking propaganda.

Posted by: steevy at December 17, 2012 08:12 PM (9XBK2)

376 373 I don't understand your answer. Wasn't dropping the Bomb the moral thing to do?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:12 PM (XDC0v)

377 "364 Nuking women and children. Yes or no?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:01 PM (AoWJ4)
---------------------------------------------------
Do we have Nukes we can drop that would only kill men? I was unaware such weapons existed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (jucos) "

No. But honesty is a good thing.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:13 PM (AoWJ4)

378 I think Treacher got hit by a Fed vehicle that skated any accountability irrc.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:13 PM (aZ6ew)

379 "365 Because you and I have a history, fluffer.

We do have a history, but are you that determined to hold a grudge? You seem to enjoy insulting people more than you seem to enjoy arguing.

Do you have violent thoughts towards your fellow residents?

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 08:06 PM (O6q63) "

Who started it, fluffer?

(This time, and all the other ones too.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:13 PM (AoWJ4)

380 Life forces us to act in ways that contradict or own morality sometimes: “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
¯ Golda Meir

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:14 PM (XDC0v)

381 "370 >>So take it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:05 PM (AoWJ4)
What are you 13?Are you too young to understand the concept of embarrassing yourself?with everyone?repeatedly?


Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:09 PM (aZ6ew) "

Let me explain this to you slowly:

Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (AoWJ4)

382 And the wolves circled and viciously would not help him back it down. It was a day that this place was not covered in glory.

Oh bullshit, he was given plenty of chances to leave with his dignity intact. That disaster was completely and totally on him from start to finish.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (+lsX1)

383 378 That is correct. And the feds basically told him to fuck off. After they crippled him for life. How wouldYOU respond to a joke about that?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (XDC0v)

384 343 I really shouldn't post on days I have to take pain meds. I lose perspective.
Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (+paCV)

Nah, I like the way you post
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 08:00 PM (79ueO)

Never confuse any disagreement I may have as disrespect for your perspective. I am open to learning from others who have truth, so that I may discard any misinformation I might be in possession of.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (qs9G3)

385 Chin Ho Kelly was played by Kam Fong.
Chin met his end at the end of the tenth season. He was last seen being shoved out of a moving car, dead, on the driveway of the Ilolani (sp) Palace.

Posted by: I Love's Me A Good Tard Fight! at December 17, 2012 08:16 PM (AVfT8)

386 382 Wow. Hope you never live to learn how wrong you are. That it was on him is just a complete misunderstanding of what was happening. Where you THERE?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:17 PM (XDC0v)

387 Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (AoWJ4)
Running on empty, and still going.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:18 PM (aZ6ew)

388 384 "Never confuse any disagreement I may have as disrespect for your perspective. I am open to learning from others who have truth, so that I may discard any misinformation I might be in possession of." If more people felt that way this place would be an oasis.

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:18 PM (XDC0v)

389 "376 373 I don't understand your answer. Wasn't dropping the Bomb the moral thing to do?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:12 PM (XDC0v) "

Teleologically, yes. Deontologically, no.


Most people (pretend to) believe in deontological morality, with a lot of Women, Children, and Minorities!!!1 selfaggrandizing, selfrighteous bullshit thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:19 PM (AoWJ4)

390 “It isn't really important to decide when you are very young just exactly what you want to become when you grow up. It is much more important to decide on the way you want to live. If you are going to be honest with yourself and honest with your friends, if you are going to get involved in causes which are good for others, not only for yourselves, then it seems to me that that is sufficient, and maybe what you will be is only a matter of chance.”
¯ Golda Meir

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:19 PM (XDC0v)

391 But try to be happy at a funeral. See how well that goes...

I've danced at a funeral. Well, afterwards really.

I had a promise to keep.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 17, 2012 08:20 PM (QupBk)

392 >>How wouldYOU respond to a joke about that?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (XDC0v)

Hey, nothing the Feds pull surprises me.Who made the joke?

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:20 PM (aZ6ew)

393 "387 Go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:15 PM (AoWJ4)
Running on empty, and still going.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:18 PM (aZ6ew) "

Too many words for you? Try this:

Fuck off.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:21 PM (AoWJ4)

394 And the wolves circled and viciously would not help him back it down. It was a day that this place was not covered in glory.


I always thought Treacher to be an arrogant ass. Every time I had conversations with him. He seemed to try to elevate himself unnecessarily. With all due respect, I enjoyed watching him burn.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 08:21 PM (3Y7RV)

395 Wow. Hope you never live to learn how wrong you are. That it was on him
is just a complete misunderstanding of what was happening. Where you
THERE?


The whole time. From EoJ's innocuous first joke on the matter. To Treacher's maniacal reaction, to EoJ's repeated apologies. Are you forgetting how he tore into you, despite your repeated assertions that you guys were buddies and this isn't the real Treacher, and on and on...? It was completely on him and he got way more slack for his lunacy than anyone else would.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 08:22 PM (+lsX1)

396 389 Interesting approach. I would argue that it is IMPOSSIBLE to live in a way that is entirely consistent with a single moral code. But I focus on practical action, not theoretical ethics.

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:22 PM (XDC0v)

397 Who started it, fluffer? (This time, and all the other ones too.)

All the others? Counting whatever 'this time' is, there would be two instances. You started insults on both.

IIRC, the OTHER TIME was when I (and someone else) noted that it was annoying that you would simply refer to a comment number, rather than copy and paste relevant text. You degenerated into viciousness rather quickly.

I see you now copy and past relevant text. You still relish insulting people.

I still wonder if you have Aspberger's.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 08:23 PM (O6q63)

398 363 359 I like Jeff though.

I do too. He makes this blog comments section more interesting. I cannot stand the "me too" commenting like you find at Tepid Air.

I'm just trolling for him to come on here and go into a tirade so I can unload my favorite rejoinder: "Lighten up Francis."

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:23 PM (qs9G3)

399 I've danced at a funeral. Well, afterwards really.

I had a promise to keep.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 17, 2012 08:20 PM (QupBk)
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That would be worth a post of it's own.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 17, 2012 08:24 PM (jucos)

400 384 343 I really shouldn't post on days I have to take pain meds. I lose perspective.
Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (+paCV)
Nah, I like the way you post
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 08:00 PM (79ueO)
Never confuse any disagreement I may have as disrespect for your perspective. I am open to learning from others who have truth, so that I may discard any misinformation I might be in possession of.
Posted by: Minuteman


Thanks for being diplomatic. Sigh. The best thing about this blog is how much you can learn if you don't show up too altered or angry to listen...or read too many posts by deliberate trolls. I learn a lot when I remember to wipe my feet before I come in.

Posted by: Daybrother prays for SMOD to end thread at December 17, 2012 08:24 PM (+paCV)

401 "397 Who started it, fluffer? (This time, and all the other ones too.)

All the others? Counting whatever 'this time' is, there would be two instances. You started insults on both.

IIRC, the OTHER TIME was when I (and someone else) noted that it was annoying that you would simply refer to a comment number, rather than copy and paste relevant text. You degenerated into viciousness rather quickly.

I see you now copy and past relevant text. You still relish insulting people.

I still wonder if you have Aspberger's.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 08:23 PM (O6q63) "

I don't wonder if you're a tard.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:24 PM (AoWJ4)

402 >>Fuck off.Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:21 PM (AoWJ4)
Can't be long before it's lights out in the cellar kid.Enjoy yourself while you can.
But you'll be by yourself.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:24 PM (aZ6ew)

403 I'm just trolling for him to come on here and go into a tirade so I can unload my favorite rejoinder: "Lighten up Francis."
Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:23 PM (qs9G3)

I like JeffB too. I always thought he may have had too much to drink which made him fun to read.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 08:25 PM (3Y7RV)

404 pointy elbows thread now up

Posted by: Grumpy the Younger at December 17, 2012 08:25 PM (jts1f)

405 SAVED BY THE BOOBS!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 08:26 PM (3Y7RV)

406 "402 >>Fuck off.Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:21 PM (AoWJ4)
Can't be long before it's lights out in the cellar kid.Enjoy yourself while you can.
But you'll be by yourself.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 08:24 PM (aZ6ew) "

Was even "fuck off" too complex for you to grasp?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:26 PM (AoWJ4)

407 395 GEH OK that's a good start: yeah i remember how he tore into me which was how I knew there was something terribly wrong with him. EoJ didn't back down or apologize as I remember but I do remember the Clique laying into him BRUTALLY for no good reason. I can see how you might feel the way you do about it but i guess I'm just more sympathetic and charitable about it. Doesn't mean I'm right... but I appreciate your discussing it reasonably. Just seemed like PTSD to me...

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:27 PM (XDC0v)

408 pointy elbows thread now up

Oh thank God.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 17, 2012 08:27 PM (+paCV)

409 Later, all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 17, 2012 08:28 PM (AoWJ4)

410 I don't wonder if you're a tard.

Very nice.

Hey, can you help me out here? Who did you refer to as 'my boyfriend' or however you phrased it? I bet you still remember.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2012 08:28 PM (O6q63)

411 EoJ didn't back down or apologize as I remember but I do remember the Clique laying into him BRUTALLY for no good reason.

Your memory is basically the complete opposite of what really happened. Whatever. No need to rehash old news.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 17, 2012 08:30 PM (+lsX1)

412 385 Chin Ho Kelly was played by Kam Fong.

I stand corrected.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:30 PM (qs9G3)

413 411 Did EoJ apologize? I wasn't sure. How is my agreeing with you about the substance of what happened the complete opposite?

Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:31 PM (XDC0v)

414 The fictional name Chin Ho Kelly was used because he was a friend of Jack Lord's. In real life he was the dude that built and owned the Ilakai Hotel.

Posted by: D. Hopper at December 17, 2012 08:33 PM (AVfT8)

415 I like JeffB too. I always thought he may have had too much to drink which made him fun to read.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 08:25 PM (3Y7RV)

That's how I view a lot of the posters here: Instant Asshole. Just add alcohol.

But I prefer fun drunks over mean drunks. That's why EoJ has an Empire and JeffB only has a B.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:33 PM (qs9G3)

416 @nevergiveupOn further thought, logistical reasons are not "excuses" in favor of internment. But they are neutral with respect to whether or not internment was justified, as is Japanese-American battle performance in Europe. You've criticized me for having an opinion on this 60 years later in the safety of the US; yet your disagreement with me is you criticizing how FDR ran the war, 60 years later ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 08:34 PM (v3pYe)

417 that s/be non-fictional...

Posted by: D. Hopper at December 17, 2012 08:35 PM (AVfT8)

418 Absolutely disagreed vehemently with the politics of Senator Inouye.

But, there is no denying that he loved his country, despite the horrible, inexcusable treatment FDR meted out to the Nisei. His bravery and deeds in the US Army truly were above and beyond the call of duty.

May the spirit of Lieutenant Daniel Inouye rest in peace for his magnificent service and sacrifice all those years ago.

"Go for broke!"

RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 17, 2012 08:35 PM (XkWWK)

419 But I prefer fun drunks over mean drunks. That's why EoJ has an Empire and JeffB only has a B.

Heh.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 17, 2012 08:48 PM (QKKT0)

420 396 389 Interesting approach. I would argue that it is IMPOSSIBLE to live in a way that is entirely consistent with a single moral code. But I focus on practical action, not theoretical ethics.
Posted by: DAve at December 17, 2012 08:22 PM (XDC0v)

Your argument is the nexus of the political and the metaphysical: Man's fallen nature. Being impossible to live according to a single moral code (I would posit THE single PERFECT moral code and the impossibility of knowing it perfectly) means we must proceed with humility, accepting the possibility that our practical action is wrong.

This is why war is so terrible: it amplifies our shortcomings in accomplishing the absolute right thing.

But in the face of evil, inaction can demonstrably be worse.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 17, 2012 08:49 PM (qs9G3)

421 Still anti-gun and pro-obamacare.

Posted by: Spade at December 17, 2012 08:52 PM (wCBLv)

422 Inouye the young man was a hero. Inouye the lifelong politician was anything but (unless you are willing to swoon over another hero, John Kerry, and not say a cross word about him). His beliefs put this country where it is today.

Posted by: ejo at December 17, 2012 09:13 PM (C/Spx)

423 @ejo:

John Kerry didn't earn an MoH. He was a veteran, but one that acted very despicably after his discharge.

Daniel did earn an MoH, which is deserving of recognition.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 09:21 PM (xHaTb)

424 331

It makes me wonder if the lack of savagery has actually extended wars and stopped actions like the gulf war from reaching their proper conclusion. Full capitulation.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 17, 2012 07:57 PM (3Y7RV)


I'm not Dagny, but I think there's a great deal to what you're saying. Wars aren't won until the defeated party admits they are.

Here's a link for you MUMR. Certainly " but he did it too" is never an excuse for bad actions, but I wonder why you are so quick to condemn an attract that, while certainty killing civilians ( who were warned that the attack was coming days in advance and told to leave, pretty unprecedented, that ), had many, many legitimate military targets, yet I never hear a peep from people like you at the massacre of women and children one on one, atrocities with no military value. Link not for the squeamish. http://www.battlingbastardsbataan.com/som.htm

Posted by: Weirddave at December 17, 2012 10:07 PM (aH+zP)

425 "By the way, did anyone think to organize an Arab-American Volunteer
Regiment after 9/11? Let the nice loyal American Muslims show it rather
than just whining?"

I remember when some American Muslim organized a "Muslims Against Terrorism" rally. About 3 Muslims and 25 reporters showed up.

Posted by: Heidi at December 17, 2012 10:51 PM (Pw28P)

426 Hey guys, I think we should all listen to MU Mitt Romney. Clearly this man has the balls to grab a grenade from his wounded arm to take out a hostile position. Clearly he has the balls to lead men in a war zone. MU Mitt Romney, when you insult a MOH recipient because of his politics (which I also disagree with) you are no different than an anti military Berkely radical. Except that radical doesn't pretend to be a patriot. And hey, like it or not, America once had places where I couldn't show up, even in my USMC blues: "No Mexicans No Dogs allowed." So while I and the other commentators love America with all our hearts, we recognize that yeah it's not "PC" to recognize heroes that got fucked over in their own time. We don't want affirmative action or racial preference, but we sure as fuck want to make a note that even when our country wasn't the best reflection of its ideals, patriots of all colors served, and served honorably. Id vote for a veteran Dem over you anyday because even though I associate (D) with socialism and weak foreign policy,at least that veteran Dem served and you did not. And if you did serve, you better be my Marine hero Dakota Myers for me to try and take you seriously pendejo

Posted by: Danny at December 17, 2012 11:05 PM (joVAj)

427
Whatever. He was a liberal who cast vote after vote to steal from his countrymen and who's votes have helped tocondemn millionsto dependency and destroy everyone's chances at a better future

I have utter contempt for him as a politician, and the amount of damage he did far outweighs his actions prior to that. Good riddance.

Posted by: blindside at December 18, 2012 12:08 AM (ajjwb)

428 423
@ejo:

John Kerry didn't earn an MoH. He was a veteran, but one that acted very despicably after his discharge.

Daniel did earn an MoH, which is deserving of recognition.


Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 17, 2012 09:21 PM (xHaTb)

Kerry authored his own 3 purple hearts (read: ticket home) within a 6 week period. All 3 are bullshit. 2 paper cuts and a nick from his own mortar. Then came back to the US and defamed the men who were in harm's way. Ever watch 300? He's the hunchback.

Posted by: OBAMAFONE! at December 18, 2012 12:50 AM (x3YFz)

429 There's a Japanese quote, which I cannot for the life of me find, which says (roughly): "judge the man before you, not the man that was."

Do with it what you will.

Posted by: tangonine at December 18, 2012 12:58 AM (x3YFz)

430 You seem to have forgotten to mention he was a Democrat Senator.

Suppose his war record doesn't fit your biases.

Posted by: Conservatives want our children murdered at December 18, 2012 01:58 AM (HL0e9)

431 He worked so hard and sacrificed so much to save this country, only to go on to do his best to destroy it.

Hated his politics but I salute his heroism, even if I don't understand his thinking afterwards.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 18, 2012 09:59 AM (7ObY1)

432 Clean up on Aisle 430.

And btw...Did it ever occur to you that the OP "failed to mention he was Democratic Senator" out of RESPECT for his service, even though he and the majority of the posters at this site are appalled with his later politics? No, probably not. I have to wonder, did DU and some other notable left-wing hate sites salute the senator as did Ace?

Posted by: WVinMN at December 18, 2012 10:55 AM (4Pleu)

433 430
You seem to have forgotten to mention he was a Democrat Senator.



Suppose his war record doesn't fit your biases.

Posted by: Conservatives want our children murdered at December 18, 2012 01:58 AM (HL0e9)
I appreciate the way he led his men that day. Having said that, I'm fairly certain I've never met anyone in uniform that wouldn't have done the same.
Nice on being a dumbass, though. Your stupidity is noted.

Posted by: tangonine at December 18, 2012 01:28 PM (x3YFz)

434 I don't care what this man stood for in Congress, he did more and paid more to earn that right than most people ever will.

R.I.P. Senator.

Posted by: Gork at December 18, 2012 01:29 PM (jxDi4)

435 Senate term limits....12 years that's it...off ya go. John McCain was a war hero and he's a piece of garbage. Warmonger fryball idiot.

Posted by: Winky99 at December 21, 2012 02:43 AM (GjdOf)






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