Law and Order In the Fallen World (via @TheTransom)

Ben Domenech's excellent daily newsletter, The Transom, is public today because he was deluged with requests for it due to the lead-in, which is reprinted in full here:

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It is a natural tendency on the part of most human beings, when confronted with great evil, to want to do something about it. We want to stop the horror of death and violence and disease. It speaks to what is good within us that we desire this—it speaks to a recognition on our part, innate and abiding, that there is something terribly broken in this world—a great mistake which has been made along the way, a gear missed in the works, a gaping hole where something should be. The feeling is all the stronger when we face the destruction of innocent life—the life of a child. The Mishnah tells us that the act of murder destroys a whole world—the world as it would’ve been with that person in it. When the worlds wiped out are so young, the shock of it all echoes and rebounds throughout the lives of others for generations. And the only part that can be played by those left behind is one of charity.

This is a frustrating limitation, and so those who are more naturally given to see problems of law or culture as the reason for evil look at the horror of Newtown as something that can be prevented, if only we do this or that thing, pass this or that law. Something must be done, they say. But their somethings all have this in common: none of their proposals, on guns or mental health or any other factor, would have prevented this awful crime. In the real world, there is no law that can make the murderously insane sane, or remove all weapons from their grasp. The tweaks that have been attempted in the past in our nation and others have proven insufficient time and again. And no step which disarms the law-abiding will help.

We are in the midst of an historic and statistically impossible decline in violence in America. The economic downturn, which would be a reasonable reason for a rebound in violent crime, has produced nothing of the sort on a nationwide scale. The experts are flabbergasted as to why, and the assumptions of criminologists are being tested to a great degree. http://vlt.tc/mbo High imprisonment, high tech tools, more disciplined police forces, and cultural factors are all potential reasons. But it is clear that even as guns are available as ever, this has done nothing to drive up crime rates nationwide. And beyond: Steven Pinker has argued, convincingly, that we are at the most peaceful point in human history. http://vlt.tc/mby In the midst of such declines, spikes of mass violence and murder are all the more jarring.

Yet the sad fact is that in Connecticut, where the gun laws are some of the most restrictive in the country, it appears the Brady campaign accomplished as much as it could’ve. http://vlt.tc/mbp Newtown had one homicide in the past ten years. http://vlt.tc/mc3 The guns used by the madman were purchased legally by his mother and kept safely in her home – as with most guns used in criminal acts, they were stolen. His own attempt to purchase a weapon ran into the legally required waiting period. http://vlt.tc/mbq There are just only so many steps you can take to prevent evil of this nature and still have a free society. After all, what really happens when you pass gun bans is that effectively, they work as permanent authorizations for police to stop and frisk urban minorities. http://vlt.tc/mbw Consider the case of Chicago, where Rahm Emanuel is talking about more restrictions in the wake of Newtown. http://vlt.tc/mbs What does he have in mind? There were 192 shootings in Chicago last month. http://vlt.tc/mbt On Friday alone there were 10 people shot in his city. http://vlt.tc/mbu Whatever Emanuel’s new law is, it would not prevent these crimes. In Mexico, there is one legal gun store to serve the entire nation. It is, according to the Washington Post, “not very busy.” http://vlt.tc/mbv In America, there are roughly 300 million privately owned firearms – and while some may dream of putting these firearms in a pile and melting them down, most Americans understand that the result of giving the government a monopoly on force would be awful for the very innocents such policies are intended to protect.

In Germany, laws were passed and additional gun control steps taken in the wake of a 2002 school shooting which left 16 dead and horrified the nation. http://vlt.tc/mbx Seven years later, a gunman killed 15 in Stuttgart. These mass murders have a long history, longer than the media has reported—nor are they tied to the advent of modern weapons. http://vlt.tc/mbz “Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns. The U.S. mass murder rate does not seem to rise or fall with the availability of automatic weapons. It reached its highest level in 1929, when fully automatic firearms were expensive and mostly limited to soldiers and organized criminals.”

Duwe’s research is worth reading in greater detail, considering how much it runs against the reports seen in the media about the historical record of mass murders. http://vlt.tc/mc0 “I suggest that the news media have figured prominently in the social construction of mass murder by heavily influencing which cases claimsmakers have selected as landmark narratives and, more generally, as typifying examples. Because claimsmakers have relied almost exclusively on national news coverage as a source of data, they have made a number of questionable claims about the prevalence and nature of mass murder since the high-profile cases represent the most sensational and least representative mass killings. And the news media have completed the circle of distortion by disseminating the bulk of the claims that have been made, leading to policies that have targeted the rarest aspects about mass murder.” (@seanmdav notes that according to Lexis, exactly 2 articles have referenced Duwe or his research since the Newtown shooting. The phrase "gun control" shows up in thousands.) But you’ll keep seeing reports like this today. http://vlt.tc/md9

As for the mental health aspect of this case, I doubt anyone would propose a solution to the current problems which would enable parents to lock away people with Asperger’s. http://vlt.tc/mbr Several of the mass murderers over the past decade or so were already in treatment or being prescribed drugs—but as a practical matter, no one could force them to assent to therapy or to take those pills. Instant checks could help, but again, that only effects legal purchases. http://vlt.tc/mcl The madman’s mother had even reportedly retired from teaching to take care of her disturbed son. http://vlt.tc/mc5 The facilities we have which offer true hope to people—such as DePaul Psychiatric Hospital in New Orleans—are expensive exceptions. We don’t want to create a Shutter Island solution which results in putting away young disturbed men who refuse to assent to therapy. http://vlt.tc/mcd Nor do we want to stigmatize those whose conditions are simply not threatening. http://vlt.tc/mci That said, we do indeed have mental health challenges in the nation which deserve more consideration. This sort of tale is horrendous to hear about—here’s a particularly sad story—but again, there are few solutions to offer. http://vlt.tc/mcc

Robert Tracinski writes: http://vlt.tc/mbm “So all of the blather you are already hearing about how this can be blamed on the lack of gun control, or on violent movies, or first-person-shooter video games, or on some kind of general cultural malaise is based on a cheap emotional appeal rather than on evidence. On the basis of the evidence, we can look back over decades in which such killings have occurred at a fairly constant rate and in which the cause has usually been the same. We can conclude that in a nation of 300 million people, there will be a certain number of people who become insane. Of those people, there will always be a small number—usually young men, because young men have a natural tendency toward aggression and a fascination with violence—whose insanity drives them to kill, whether to take revenge on society in general, or because of paranoid delusions, or because the voices in their heads tell them to. This is a basic, predictable fact of life in human society, with no particular political implications and—this is the part that's hard to accept—no particular solution. The least ridiculous reaction to this shooting will start from a recognition that its cause is insanity, and some commentators will suggest improved screening for mental illness and faster intervention. There may be some basis for this. (Seung Hui-Cho, for example, was known to be dangerously unstable, but no one seemed to think they had the authority to do anything about it.) But I also fear that a mania for prevention will cause more damage than it prevents—that we risk unnecessarily committing thousands of disturbed or merely eccentric young men on the basis of a hysterical fear that they will become killers.”

In the end, the options for what the law can do or society can do are largely limited. They will not prevent this sort of evil from happening again. This is infuriating, of course. All we can do, on an individual level, is prepare ourselves to do whatever it takes if we are put in the position of those who stand between the marauder and the innocent. http://vlt.tc/mce We can take this time to understand that in that situation, there is always something you can do. http://vlt.tc/dqt And for those of us who believe the broken nature of this fallen world is something that will be healed, we can take solace in the knowledge David Bentley Hart describes in today’s feature—that “our faith is in a God who has come to rescue His creation from the absurdity of sin and the emptiness of death, and so we are permitted to hate these things with a perfect hatred… As for comfort, when we seek it, I can imagine none greater than the happy knowledge that when I see the death of a child I do not see the face of God, but the face of His enemy. It is not a faith that would necessarily satisfy Ivan Karamazov, but neither is it one that his arguments can defeat: for it has set us free from optimism, and taught us hope instead. We can rejoice that we are saved not through the immanent mechanisms of history and nature, but by grace; that God will not unite all of history’s many strands in one great synthesis, but will judge much of history false and damnable; that He will not simply reveal the sublime logic of fallen nature, but will strike off the fetters in which creation languishes; and that, rather than showing us how the tears of a small girl suffering in the dark were necessary for the building of the Kingdom, He will instead raise her up and wipe away all tears from her eyes – and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, for the former things will have passed away, and He that sits upon the throne will say, ‘Behold, I make all things new.’”

RELATED: Ron Fournier: what if there’s no one to blame? http://vlt.tc/mch Other academic research has highlighted the negative ramifications of gun control proposals informed by mass shootings. http://vlt.tc/mc1 Note to Piers Morgan: the Founders didn't envision an out of touch British snob being able to invade our homes and look down his nose at the country, but we still have a First Amendment. http://vlt.tc/mc2 The media at its worst part I. http://vlt.tc/mc9 Part II. http://vlt.tc/mc8 I’m sure that will work, David Brooks. http://vlt.tc/mc6 Australia and the U.S. http://vlt.tc/mc7 China’s problem. http://vlt.tc/mca All time high gun sales in November. http://vlt.tc/mcb Newt on gun rights. http://vlt.tc/220 Bill Bennett: arm teachers. http://vlt.tc/md7 Gun crime in the UK. http://vlt.tc/md8 A former Romney adviser “break ranks” on guns. http://vlt.tc/mah Former Obama official and The Daily Show writer has Connecticut jokes. http://vlt.tc/mb9 Former Obama speechwriter Jon Lovett’s political commentary is as intelligent as his new show, 1600 Penn. http://vlt.tc/mbk Douthat on Newtown. http://vlt.tc/mc4

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That Ron Fournier piece in the related items is very good, too.

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Comments

1 Did anyone read that?

Posted by: simpleton at December 17, 2012 12:54 PM (i3pKT)

2 And those same idiots who say we should find and confiscate 300 million firearms say we can not expel 20 million illegals.



I say we should regulate newspapers and news programs in every State in the same manner as they regulate firearms.


For example in NYC it would be virtually impossible to print a newspaper or show a TV news show.


So say goodby to the NYT, ABC, CBS, and NBC news.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 12:56 PM (53z96)

3 Good stuff as usual. And magnanimous of Ben to allow full reproduction, but he probably shouldn't waive the fair use laws like that, even for a day. Interlopers are everywhere.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 17, 2012 12:58 PM (8/DeP)

4 After they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Then they will outlaw knives.

Then they will have to outlaw rocks.

Then they will have to outlaw gasoline.

It never stops.

Posted by: sTevo at December 17, 2012 12:58 PM (vZDjf)

5 When I first read about federal confiscation of gold during the Depression, I was amazed that people would willingly give up their legally owned property to the government in service of an unjust law. I still feel that way--I don't know why any law-abiding person would willingly follow any tyrannical dictat (even dem representatives aren't stupid enough to pass gun-grabbing legislation--it will be done by executive order).

Posted by: Palandine at December 17, 2012 12:59 PM (g7D8V)

6 >>Because claimsmakers have relied almost exclusively on national news
coverage as a source of data, they have made a number of questionable
claims about the prevalence and nature of mass murder since the
high-profile cases represent the most sensational and least
representative mass killings. And the news media have completed the
circle of distortion by disseminating the bulk of the claims that have
been made, leading to policies that have targeted the rarest aspects
about mass murder.”



Exactly right.

The incidence of mass killings has gone down while the influence of commie-rot in the MFM and on the low info public has increased exponentially.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 12:59 PM (aZ6ew)

7 Very well put. All the options being presented, including those I support, are nothing more than magical thinking. There is nothing that is going to eliminate events such as this. Nothing. The evil murderous insane will still kill with whatever they can find.


This is not to say that we should ignore these events and we should draw what lessons we can from them. But it is important to remember that one of those lessons is that evil exists.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 17, 2012 01:00 PM (VtjlW)

8 Call me a heartless bastard, but I'm officially tired of the CT shooting story.

My main takeaways in the aftermath are:

1. We need to do a better job dealing with the mentally ill.

2. If you have a family member with mental problems, get them help. And for the love of all that is holy, don't allow them access to your guns.

3. Liberals and other gun grabbers still have no idea what their talking about, including (but not limited to) the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 01:00 PM (SY2Kh)

9 Friendly reminder to liberals

3000 people were killed on 9/11 using box cutters

200 people were killed in the OKC bombing using fertilizer

If people want to kill, they will find a way. Guns or no guns.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:00 PM (HDgX3)

10 @Vic

That would certainly reduce NYC's carbon footprint and save a lot trees.

Posted by: Penfold at December 17, 2012 01:01 PM (Fbt5B)

11 http://tinyurl.com/clnfzes


The Oregon Shooter appears to have been confonted by a CCW holder.

No wonder the MFM interest in that stoy fell off the cliff.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 17, 2012 01:01 PM (nELVU)

12 Andy pulls the foreign object out of his trunks and clubs NDH across the windpipe!

He hits her with a giant wall of text while the referee isn't looking and NDH goes down!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 17, 2012 01:01 PM (nTJrq)

13 I wonder if high security charter schools are in the works?

Posted by: Jean at December 17, 2012 01:02 PM (m9GfP)

14 On Meet the Press, they included the Fort Hood terrorist attack as a massacre that was the equivalent of this one. That is how anxious they are to attack gun ownership (while not noting that the people on the base were sitting ducks because guns were restricted).

Posted by: ejo at December 17, 2012 01:02 PM (GXvSO)

15 10. As long as they don't outlaw sporks I'm good to go!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:03 PM (CPoFy)

16 A humble suggestion:

In Order To Prevent the Proliferation of Individvals of Trollish Nature; The BanHammer should be used regularly and often whilst the Proprietor is on leave. Immediate and repeated deployment of The Instrument would prove an effective deterrent both to the Troll and Incontinent Commentators who just don't know enough to stop playing with the shitbirds.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2012 01:03 PM (AsRy8)

17 After they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

Then they will outlaw knives.

Then they will have to outlaw rocks.

Then they will have to outlaw gasoline.

It never stops.


Posted by: sTevo at December 17, 2012 12:58 PM (vZDjf)
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Swords...... you forgot swords.

We're working on swords.

Posted by: Australian Lawmakers at December 17, 2012 01:03 PM (nELVU)

18 Ban the evil gunz for the children

Posted by: libtarded at December 17, 2012 01:04 PM (uFY4s)

19 Because claimsmakers have relied almost exclusively on national news coverage as a source of data, they have made a number of questionable claims about the prevalence and nature of mass murder since the high-profile cases represent the most sensational and least representative mass killings. And the news media have completed the circle of distortion by disseminating the bulk of the claims that have been made, leading to policies that have targeted the rarest aspects about mass murder.”

Which is further proof that the MFM is poison, and deadly to the republic. It HAS to be taken down and replaced.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:04 PM (4df7R)

20 Ban the sporks

Posted by: libtarded at December 17, 2012 01:05 PM (uFY4s)

21 rather than showing us how the tears of a small girl suffering in the dark were necessary for the building of the Kingdom, He will instead raise her up and wipe away all tears from her eyes – and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, for the former things will have passed away, and He that sits upon the throne will say, ‘Behold, I make all things new.’”

Aaaand now I'm crying again.

Bless the children and caregivers who sit with Him today.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:05 PM (4df7R)

22 Just put two volunteers inside the front door of every school. They will keep each other awake. Make sure they are responsible and respected members of the community with permits to carry. Pay them if you feel like it. Reinforce the windows. Get the teacher's union to agree to it. Problem solved.

Posted by: David at December 17, 2012 01:06 PM (J9mCu)

23 20. Never!!!
You would have to pry my spork from my cold dead KFC grease laden fingers

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:07 PM (CPoFy)

24 I remember a scene from Mel Brooks' Spaceballs where the good guys reverse the huge vacuum. President Scroob demands that Dark Helmet"Do something!" Dark Helmet demands that Colonel Sanders "Do something!" Colonel Sanders grabs the PA and demands that someone "Do Somthing!"
The MSMdoesn't care about doing something that will actually make a difference or solve a problem, they simply want someone to do something.
Somewhere along the line the Left managed to sever effort from effect. It doesn't matter that the War on Poverty has not had a positive effect on poverty. I guess the intention is sufficient. The war on drugs has not seemed to have much effect on drug availability but intention is sufficient.
Confiscating guns will not have a positive effect on gun violence (Chicago) but as long as the intention is good, I guess that is enough for the left.

Posted by: JB1000 at December 17, 2012 01:07 PM (Ws44U)

25 Andy pulls the foreign object out of his trunks and clubs NDH across the windpipe! He hits her with a giant wall of text while the referee isn't looking and NDH goes down!

NDH is a girl?

And speaking of girls - what's happened to Lauraw and her hump?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 17, 2012 01:07 PM (zF6Iw)

26 Crime was down during the Depression, too.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 17, 2012 01:08 PM (jWwDJ)

27 Mexico has both MUCH more stringent gun control laws... and an open state of war between Drug Cartels and the Government.

And the same group who wish to now take our guns, is the group who Shipped guns Illegaly to Mexico during Fast and Furious (for which, NO ONE has been held accountable).

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 17, 2012 01:08 PM (lZBBB)

28 Sinai group threatens to destroy IDF monument
Published: 12.17.12, 19:34 / Israel News



A militant group in Sinai announced it plans to destroy an IDF monument that remained at the Yamit region as part of the peace accord between Israel and Egypt. The step is meant as a response to Israel's plan to remove an Egyptian monument in Beit Lakia. (Roi Kais)

When you start fucking with the dead, ya know things are going down hill real fast. Hey but obama is happy his pal Morsi is in charge in Egypt

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 01:08 PM (79ueO)

29 I only want the undistilled facts on the Newtown story whenever that comes.

In the mean time I'd rather not compulsively bathe in group emoting promoted by cable selling commercial time and ratings points.

Any normal person can be brought tears when dwelling on the heartbreaking details.

But nothing productive comes from such an artificially constructed scenario, only a lot of confused emotions mistaken for clear thinking and just resolve.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 01:09 PM (aZ6ew)

30 Hollow point, they know - or have staff that knows the difference. They are consciously confusing the issue.

Posted by: Jean at December 17, 2012 01:09 PM (m9GfP)

31 The MSM will continue to treat guns as the problem, while refusing to address their own role in these shootings.

Their wall to wall 24 hour coverage gives these killers the fame and notoriety that motivated them in the first place, but will they ever turn their attention inward?

Nah. They'd rather call for banning "military style automatic assault weapons".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 01:09 PM (SY2Kh)

32 I actually read that.

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2012 01:12 PM (CLjYf)

33 Man that's a lot of text.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:12 PM (8sCoq)

34 I think the internet and its incredibly cheap access to a vast array of all varieties of pron is one of the main drivers of the unprecedented decline in violent crime.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 17, 2012 01:12 PM (V4o/M)

35 Man that's a lot of text.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:12 PM (8sCoq)


It's a fast read, though, amazingly. And very good, as expected from Domenech.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:13 PM (4df7R)

36 Over-reaction can reach insane levels too. The MFM, leftists, and demogogues love that sort of insanity. The only sane ideas we have have been stomped into the dust; the US Constitution and freedom.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 01:13 PM (1eCVj)

37 31. I wouldn't mind banning the Beretta m9
Damn I hated that stupid gun

XD or Kimber
The only way

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (CPoFy)

38
1. Actual crime declines.
2. Media reporting of crime increases.
3. Crime wave!

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (RrRNa)

39 Cookie to garrett

Posted by: Jean at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (m9GfP)

40
The point that this article makes and is being made by those with cooler, more thoughtful heads, is that there is evil in this world and no amount of responding to the cries of "do something" with more restrictive laws and regulations will stamp that out. Evil will still exist and to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, it will find a way. If that way isn't a gun, it's a knife, or a car, or a bomb, or a sledgehammer, or a flame thrower, or a tree branch, or poison, or any number of things you can use to harm someone if your intent is to do harm.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (RZ8pf)

41 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 01:15 PM (5DR1j)

42 >>Hey but obama is happy his pal Morsi is in charge in Egypt

Who did you think was running the camera when I made my sex-tape with Rashid Khalidi?

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 17, 2012 01:15 PM (CLjYf)

43 TVs kill more kids every year than this insane idiot did.

http://tinyurl.com/cv7w467


Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 17, 2012 01:17 PM (81UWZ)

44 This is as good a thread as any to note that I am slowly developing a crush on MWR.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 17, 2012 01:18 PM (V4o/M)

45 Thoughts along these lines up at my blog, too. And I don't even read the Transom.

As John Nolte over at Big Journalism pointed out this morning, what stopped this attack was a show of force (the cops arriving), yet people would have us believe that having a less armed populace is the answer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 01:18 PM (5DR1j)

46 We need Mexican draconian style gun laws, that way people get slaughtered at 40,60, 80 at a time? Nobody ever mentons Ft Hood during this week..whats the weekly death toll in the hood's?

Posted by: Clemenza at December 17, 2012 01:19 PM (Q8Pu5)

47 The point that this article makes and is being made by those with cooler, more thoughtful heads, is that there is evil in this world and no amount of responding to the cries of "do something" with more restrictive laws and regulations will stamp that out. Evil will still exist and to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, it will find a way. If that way isn't a gun, it's a knife, or a car, or a bomb, or a sledgehammer, or a flame thrower, or a tree branch, or poison, or any number of things you can use to harm someone if your intent is to do harm.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (RZ8pf)


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Very very true.

Posted by: Carrie Nation and the Rwanda Chorus at December 17, 2012 01:19 PM (1eCVj)

48 Hollow point, they know - or have staff that knows the difference. They are consciously confusing the issue.

With regards to the anti-gun activists, sure. With regards to the MSM idiots I suspect you're giving them too much credit. I honestly think that they see the bad guy using a full-auto AK-47 on TV and actually believe that's how civilian "assault weapons" work.

I've lost track of how many times I've seen them call for restricting automatic and semi-automatic weapons.

Today, sellout Joe Scarborough was talking about "assault weapons" that shoot "30 rounds a second" on MSNBC. Was it deliberate? I'm not counting on it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 01:19 PM (SY2Kh)

49 The Fournier was article was very good.

Posted by: Penfold at December 17, 2012 01:19 PM (Fbt5B)

50 One thing I've been doing on other forums is challenging the liberals that bring up "assault weapons" or "military grade weapons" by calling them out and making them define those terms. So far, no takers.

Shocked Face: Let me show it to you.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 17, 2012 01:20 PM (1ml8s)

51 >> With regards to the MSM idiots I suspect you're giving them too much credit. I honestly think that they see the bad guy using a full-auto AK-47 on TV and actually believe that's how civilian "assault weapons" work.

See the Tim Carney piece in the sidebar.

Posted by: Andy at December 17, 2012 01:20 PM (C/NnJ)

52 45. You have a blog?
Wow
Who knew?

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:21 PM (CPoFy)

53
The point that this article makes and is being made by those with cooler, more thoughtful heads, is that there is evil in this world and no amount of responding to the cries of "do something" with more restrictive laws and regulations will stamp that out.

This incident should be the fitting end of PostModern "thought." But then again, idiots will believe anything.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 01:22 PM (yiIja)

54 Discovery Channel’s “American Guns" has been canceled

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:22 PM (8sCoq)

55 25 And speaking of girls - what's happened to Lauraw and her hump?

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With the release of The Hobbit, I imagine that Lauraw has been practicing up on her riddles so that no evil hobitses can steal her hump.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 17, 2012 01:23 PM (xGZ+b)

56 Never a mention of the horros faced by everyday Mexicans caught in the horror of the violence that has swept their gun controlled country. Kidnapping, torture, beheadings, shoot outs, whole towns invaded, everyday public scenes of mass murder. Lille reported in Mexico because the reporters and dead, fled or scared into silence and completely ignored by the media here because they love drugs, want to protect Zero and, after all, it is just dead Mexicans.

Posted by: Pecos at December 17, 2012 01:23 PM (2Gb0y)

57 We need to do a better job dealing with the mentally ill.

What "better job?" Are we considering Asperger's the equivalent of Paranoid Schizophrenia, now? Or did he have some other mental illness that I missed in the reporting?

Certainly your point is valid- but your point is valid independently, and really has no relevant angle on anything I've seen in this story.

It's "magical thinking" (thank you AtC). What, are you going to ban "weird?"

Someone over the weekend said "this attack changes everything. It should change everything," or something like that. With all due respect to the victims, and sympathy to the families- no, it doesn't and it shouldn't. It's just the way the world works, unfortunately, and unless you ban human nature, nothing is going to change.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (5DR1j)

58 50
One thing I've been doing on other forums is challenging the liberals
that bring up "assault weapons" or "military grade weapons" by calling
them out and making them define those terms. So far, no takers.



Shocked Face: Let me show it to you.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 17, 2012 01:20 PM (1ml8s)

_______________________________________________Assault weapon = gun. When they say they want to ban assault weapons, they mean all guns.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (HDgX3)

59 Based on last month's election the most dangerous thing for the American public is the MFM. So it is time to:

1. Require a 7 day waiting period for publishing any news story
2. Regulate and tax at a heavy rate any story dealing with politics and any political ad.
3. Require a 7 day training course, a license, and all done under an expensive fee before you are allowed to read or watch any news item.
4. No newspaper with more than 6 pages will be allowed nor any news show longer than 6 minutes.
5. Ugly newspapers and news shows will not be allowed at all.
6. News shows which scroll through news items automatically are forbidden if produced after 1965.
7. Newspapers and news shows are forbidden in any government building, in any public store, in any place where alcohol is consumed, and in any national park.
8. One must be at least 21 years old to purchase a newspaper or watch any news item.
9.One may not purchase or watch any news item if convicted of a felony.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (53z96)

60 Laws For The Law-Abiding, Amnesty For Everyone Else!

Posted by: Democrats 2012 at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (FcR7P)

61 In emotionally charged situations, like this one in CT, it used to be considered wise to remain rational in the wake of the tragedy and not let it unduly affect policy: "Keep Calm and Carry On." Everyone knows that choices made in the heat of the moment, in knee jerk response to a strong emotion, are rarely good decisions. That isn't some falsehood propagated by one ideology or the other; it's basic common sense.

But today, if one makes the argument that gun control is abad idea in the wake of this massacre, you're treated as a villain; a cold-blooded monster who doesn't care about the loss of innocent life, especially young children. Nothing could possibly be farther from the truth. But the ability to partition one's emotional reactions from one's intellectual and rational discourse is no longer appreciated, and is actively demeaned. If your opinions aren't changed after an emotional tragedy like this, then you MUST be a villain; there's no other explanation. No one with a heart could oppose gun control that could SAVE BABIES.

(Of course, you're an evil charlatan if you oppose abortion-on-demand, because women should be able to abort their unborn cell clumps.)

When did this country become a Hallmark Channel movie?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (4df7R)

62
54Discovery Channel’s “American Guns" has been canceled

Is that the one that was located in Colorado? ...The family that owns a shop named 'Gunsmoke'?
That's a good show.

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2012 01:25 PM (K4wCe)

63
Today, sellout Joe Scarborough was talking about "assault weapons" that shoot "30 rounds a second" on MSNBC. Was it deliberate? I'm not counting on it.

No more or less valid than the fucking idiots blaiming it on video games, violent films, goths,abortion, fags, or the fact that their local KFC ran out of chicken.

Looks like any way you slice it, a tragedy like this is occasion for us all to throw out of brains, scream like ninnies, and burn many a witch.

Sure, we can bitch about the fucking idiot who says things like "Rocket propelled grenades should be ILLEGAL!" but on this course, is he really shooting any worse than par with that nonsense?

Posted by: Entropy at December 17, 2012 01:26 PM (TULs6)

64 Did anyone read that?
Posted by: simpleton at December 17, 2012 12:54 PM (i3pKT)



I read it this morning from a HotAir link to it, and, yes, it's worth reading the whole thing.

Along with the other UK link in the notes section, this was the link that also showed the chart with the most violent crimes chart:

http://tinyurl.com/nvqbmt

It is also a Daily Mail piece at the same time. And, it references the UN and the EU Commission as the source of data.

That chart defies any liberal's argument. Keep it handy.

Posted by: beach monday blah's at December 17, 2012 01:26 PM (LpQbZ)

65 Here's the deal....there are 310M people in this country. When you have 310M people, you will have a few that go crazy and kill people. End of story.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:26 PM (HDgX3)

66 The Founders were wise. The envisioned the Senate as a House of Lords that would resist the herd's demand that legislation be stampeded through whenvever the proles got a wild hair up their ass.

Alas, now the Senateis nothing but a perfumed House of Whores.

Posted by: Invictus at December 17, 2012 01:26 PM (OQpzc)

67
12
Andy pulls the foreign object out of his trunks and clubs NDH across the windpipe!





Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 17, 2012 01:01 PM (nTJrq)


That's pretty fucking inappropriate, even for EoJ.


And I thought the Style Guide to hit them in the face with it? Not the throat.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 17, 2012 01:27 PM (da5Wo)

68 In Mexico, there is one legal gun store to serve the entire nation.

Eric Holder, Proprietor, At Your Service.

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2012 01:27 PM (FcR7P)

69 or any number of things you can use to harm someone if your intent is to do harm.

A "weapon substitution" effect has been observed by researchers in those areas where bans have been instituted.

The pro-ban types crow "gun crime is down", but remain suspiciously silent about why the overall rate is not what they predicted, or in some cases has increased.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (RrRNa)

70 Yeah I just wrote up my piece on this tragedy and the lefts morbid use of dead children as props. Bottom line. Homicide rates in the US reached their low water mark in 1957, which at that time, weapons technology was essentially what we have today. Three major spikes occur in homicide rates in the US (The one for the early 1900's gang activity is actually a small spike in comparison) one is centered around the Revolutionary war, one around the Civil war, and the last starting in 1963 and peaking in 1980.

From 1957 to today what's changed, I'll give you a hint, it's not the guns.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (0q2P7)

71
Kill the DJ's! Those fucking ozzie DJ's made him do it! They strike again.

How many people have to die before Americans finally realizewe need to ban talk radio?

Posted by: Entropy at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (TULs6)

72 and unless you ban human nature


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 01:24 PM (5DR1j)



DNC 2016 Platform....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (da5Wo)

73 This isn't about reason it's about control.

The progressives want to control us, PERIOD!

You could quote statistics and speak the truth it does not matter one wit.


The want our guns, they will try to take our guns, we must fight them.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 17, 2012 01:29 PM (RrD4h)

74 1994: Assault Weapons are banned

1999: Columbine takes place

See gun control totally works.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:29 PM (HDgX3)

75 We need to do a better job dealing with the mentally ill.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 01:00 PM (SY2Kh)

how much more can we do? we have gone so far as to give them free housing and unlimited access to helicopters, limousines, and airplanes.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 01:29 PM (Z9EHQ)

76 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (da5Wo)

You're right. I probably shouldn't give them ideas.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 01:29 PM (5DR1j)

77 63. Ummm
I disagree
When I have a hankering for some original recipe and theyre out I really consider turning my local KFC into a Rambo movie

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:30 PM (pR5YY)

78 Fast and Furious is a loser.

Even Mexican peasants don't give a shit if someone slaughters Mexican peasants as long as El Patron gives them a cookie every so often. QED.

Posted by: Invictus at December 17, 2012 01:30 PM (OQpzc)

79 OT but here's how bad PC is getting


I'm watching "Tropic Thunder" on FX. Broadcast cable. You all know the line about 'you never go full retard', right?

The word 'retard' has been changed to 'special'. Yes- Robert Downey Jr says 'you never go full special'.

But get this: they left in all the 'god damn' references.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:30 PM (8sCoq)

80 mid 90s: Britain bans guns

late 2000s: Gun crime is up 90% in the previous decade

See gun control works

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:30 PM (HDgX3)

81 And I thought the Style Guide to hit them in the face with it? Not the throat.

That's for a "Maine Surprise". We've no confirmation on the nature of the foreign object yet, so the jury's out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, keeper of the Orbital Mind Control Lasers at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (GBXon)

82 When did this country become a Hallmark Channel movie?


Brian Dennehy ina Hallmark Movie Channel Premier

NOT WITHOUT MY PATHOS

Posted by: garrett at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (6U0RJ)

83 Just got back from the mall. Pretty packed, line at CFA way too long. Hit Godiva hard, wifey will be pleased.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (tkoGU)

84 Remember, it's wasn't conservatives who emptied the prisons, it wasn't conservatives who emptied the mental institutions. It wasn't conservatives who pushed the adling and drugging of our children on prozac and other mind altering chemicals.

It was the progressives and instead of realizing the error of their ways and altering them, they want to alter us!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (RrD4h)

85 Firearms will always be ubiquitous and easily available in America. America will always experience higher rates of violent gun crime. That's the bargain we made and it will never change. I suspect there will be no new gun control laws as a result of these murders, nor should there be.

Posted by: Jordan at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (Hz1zc)

86 This is really an issue, as mentioned above, about control. Liberals have an insatiable need for control of others.

I think in all matters going forward it would be simplest and most effective if we framed every issue as a matter of freedom. obamacare - reduces your freedom. taxes - reduce you freedom. it is a simple argument it is also attractive because no one wants less freedom.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 01:32 PM (Z9EHQ)

87
the ability to partition one's emotional reactions from one's intellectual and rational discourse is no longer appreciated, and is actively demeaned.

Nail on the head.

Posted by: Entropy at December 17, 2012 01:32 PM (TULs6)

88 What "better job?" Are we considering Asperger's the equivalent of Paranoid Schizophrenia, now? Or did he have some other mental illness that I missed in the reporting?

This is my question. So far all I've heard for sure is that the Tiny Dick Babykiller had some variation of Asperger's. Well, so do a lot of people. Dan Akroyd has Asperger's; is Dan Akroyd going to shoot up a school? Asperger's has a very wide range of severity.

Asperger's is not borderline personality disorder, or sociopathy, or anything else like that. It is what it is. If we're saying this guy was mentally unbalanced JUST because he had Asperger's, I question that diagnosis. If he had other emotional or psychological disorders, then we need to examine those more closely, through the prism of Asperger's or not. And if his Asperger's WAS a key contributing factor, then I believe his level of necessary care would have been quite high and very noticeable.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:33 PM (4df7R)

89 From 1957 to today what's changed, I'll give you a hint, it's not the guns.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 01:28 PM (0q2P7)


---------------------------------------------


It's that thing that many who comment here ridicule and dismiss.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 01:33 PM (1eCVj)

90 This is as good a thread as any to note that I am slowly developing a crush on MWR.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 17, 2012 01:18 PM (V4o/M)


Awwwwwww. *blushing furiously* Shuckers. *scuffs foot*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:33 PM (4df7R)

91 sellout Joe Scarborough was talking about "assault weapons" that shoot "30 rounds a second" on MSNBC. Was it deliberate?

*ABSOLUTELY*. Six years in the house, lawyer. He fucking well knows what the NFA is. I'd bet my life on that. Every congressman or senator who's been in office for a year or two knows what current firearms law is.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:33 PM (RrRNa)

92 Only around 30 miles away from the CT school in my government office here and surprisingly, the favorable sentiment towards concealed carry is rather stronger than ever today. Then again, we might be the most anti-liberal group of gubmint workers in the state, doubtful anyone here voted for TFG.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (W7ffl)

93 > it is a simple argument it is also attractive because no one wants less freedom.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 01:32 PM (Z9EHQ)


the other side has a different concept of freedom. They want to be free from violence, free from expensive healthcare, and free from not having light rail.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (8sCoq)

94 84. I may be wrong but it actually was the conservatives who shut down the mental institutions in a way to save money

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (pR5YY)

95
69...The pro-ban types crow "gun crime is down", but remain suspiciously silent about why the overall rate is not what they predicted, or in some cases has increased.

The stats just don't support their claims that banning guns would lead to less crime.

Let them try to point to a country which has banned firearms...where the crime rate has gone down.
Itdoesn't exist.

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2012 01:35 PM (K4wCe)

96 If the GOP actually feels the need to interrupt the inevitable gun-ban bills that are about to issue forth from the Dem-Dem's, they should insist on an amendment to each:

No Hollywood exemptions. No film, stage, or TV production will be exempt from any firearm restrictions.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2012 01:35 PM (AsRy8)

97
time to go back under the stairs, now, Jordan

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 01:35 PM (LPRBM)

98 mid 90s: Britain bans guns

late 2000s: Gun crime is up 90% in the previous decade

See gun control works


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:30 PM (HDgX3)




Facts have absolutely no place in the liberal agenda. It's all about simple minded slogans and taking away our freedoms to "protect" us

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 17, 2012 01:35 PM (1Jaio)

99 What "better job?" Are we considering Asperger's the equivalent of Paranoid Schizophrenia, now? Or did he have some other mental illness that I missed in the reporting?


The second it was reported that Evil Fuck had a developmental disability I thought "Asperger's". Why? Because that's the label of choice that's being slapped on those who are weird and odd but not paranoid schizophrenic. It's to the point where it really means nothing more than doesn't play well with others.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 17, 2012 01:37 PM (VtjlW)

100 I suspect there will be no new gun control laws as a result of these murders, nor should there be.

Posted by: Jordan at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (Hz1zc)

____________________________________________________
The assault weapons ban is a done deal. Dems have the votes in the senate. In the House, they'll find 15 RINOs to vote on it as well.
In and of itself, I could live wit that. But it will only be the beginning. Look for 30 day wait periods next. Then a bunch of "for the children" type laws like you can't own a gun if you have a child under 14 in the house. You can't own a gun if you live within 5000 feet of a school (find any house in an suburban area that isn't 5000 feet from a school). You can't buy a gun online. You can only buy a gun in the county where you live.
And so on and son on. There will never be a bill that says "NO MORE GUNS ALLOWED". It will be death by a thousand cuts.

Oh but Republicans will never vote for this, people say. Yeah, just like Republicans will never vote to increase taxes. Just like Republicans will never allow Obama to raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:37 PM (HDgX3)

101 the other side has a different concept of freedom. They want to be free from violence, free from expensive healthcare, and free from not having light rail.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (8sCoq)

I agree but that is why we need to make it an issue. coupled with a couple of other things. I believe we really need to go back to first principles and start talking about rights and freedom; the importance of rights being so many of the free stuff crowd hve probably never even heard of or considered how giving someone which obligates another to pay for it is not what the constitution intended.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 01:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

102 Posted by: Jordan at December 17, 2012 01:31 PM (Hz1zc)

Hi Jordan. Is the Texas Legislature still in session?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 17, 2012 01:38 PM (AsRy8)

103 I may be wrong but it actually was the conservatives who shut down the mental institutions in a way to save money

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (pR5YY)

Not "maybe" wrong, totally wrong. It was the ACLU who emptied the metal institutions and made it almost impossible to have someone committed until they do go off and start killing people.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:38 PM (53z96)

104 The second it was reported that Evil Fuck had a developmental disability I thought "Asperger's". Why? Because that's the label of choice that's being slapped on those who are weird and odd but not paranoid schizophrenic. It's to the point where it really means nothing more than doesn't play well with others.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 17, 2012 01:37 PM (VtjlW)


That's exactly what my neighbor (high school teacher) told me a few months ago.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at December 17, 2012 01:39 PM (Qxe/p)

105 Why is there always a couple of racist jackasses hanging around to comment on conservative blogs?

Geoff's post on the sidebar about Ezra Klein doesn't even have 20 comments and there's already two of them claiming that blacks must be inherently compelled to violence.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:39 PM (csi6Y)

106 Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 12:56 PM (53z96)

And their tired, stale argument would be: "but words don't kill!"

Great, so free the Benghazi video guy, and stop blaming free speech like the burning of Korans for Muslim rampages.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (GsoHv)

107 “break ranks” - Mark DeMoss -
"“I’m a conservative and a Republican, and I believe in the Constitution and all of the amendments. But"

And then proceeds to tell us how concerned he is. I'd like to see the world converted to an AOSHQ moronarchy for a while.


Posted by: DaveA (double checking tags pre-barrellage) at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (Xefrb)

108 the other side has a different concept of freedom. They want to be free from violence, free from expensive healthcare, and free from not having light rail.

They want to be free from adulthood. Let gummint take care of all the details.

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (FcR7P)

109 You can't own a gun if you live within 5000 feet of a school

Clinton already tried that. SCOTUS declared it unconstitutional.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (RrRNa)

110 the other side has a different concept of freedom. They want to be free from violence, free from expensive healthcare, and free from not having light rail.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:34 PM (8sCoq)


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To sum up your comment: Leftists and many liberatarians want to be free of any consequences of their actions. They reject personal responsibility.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (1eCVj)

111 103. Yep, I was wrong

I should have known the ACLU would be involved

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:41 PM (pR5YY)

112 I just noticed I have a new number.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:41 PM (53z96)

113 I'd like to see the world converted to an AOSHQ moronarchy for a while.


Posted by: DaveA (double checking tags pre-barrellage) at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (Xefrb)



*waves alextopia flag*


Admittedly, alextopia is more of a benevolent(ish) dictatorship.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 17, 2012 01:41 PM (VtjlW)

114 The second it was reported that Evil Fuck had a developmental disability I thought "Asperger's". Why? Because that's the label of choice that's being slapped on those who are weird and odd but not paranoid schizophrenic. It's to the point where it really means nothing more than doesn't play well with others.Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 17, 2012 01:37 PM (VtjlW)

It's also a handy way for parents to get their kids special treatment in school. "You can't give little Jimmy a detention! It's not his fault he acts out. He's got ASPERGER'S. You're being insensitive! I'll sue!" It's ridiculous, and it undercuts the needs of children and adults who genuinely need the attention.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (4df7R)

115 37 31. I wouldn't mind banning the Beretta m9 Damn I hated that stupid gun

XD or Kimber The only way

HK USP. 45acp.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (GFM2b)

116 What "better job?" Are we considering Asperger's the equivalent of
Paranoid Schizophrenia, now? Or did he have some other mental illness
that I missed in the reporting?


From what I understand, he was known to have some fairly serious issues, yet his mother didn't seek treatment. Out of denial or because it's relatively difficult outside of using the criminal justice system? I don't know.

In the aftermath of this, I've seen quite a few anecdotes from parents of kids with autism-related conditions who were prone to violent outbursts, but had major difficulty getting them treatment.

Would it have made a difference? Who knows. But replacing mental hospitals with jail cells and/or just writing a prescription and shoving them out the door isn't optimal.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (SY2Kh)

117 No wonder Holder wants to remove guns from ordinary citizens. He seems to have been an armed militant during his college days.

From Powerline
http://tinyurl.com/c8y2s4c

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (+k/kq)

118 >>>Why is there always a couple of racist jackasses hanging around to comment on conservative blogs?


Because they are getting ignored when they post on their own blogs. And if there is one thing always true about teh crazy, is the crazies can't seem to keep it to themselves, they just have to share.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (0q2P7)

119 Immediate and repeated deployment of The Instrument would prove an
effective deterrent both to the Troll and Incontinent Commentators


Speaking of missing the point of the content.

Posted by: DaveA (double checking tags pre-barrellage) at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (Xefrb)

120 You can't own a gun if you live within 5000 feet of a school

Clinton already tried that. SCOTUS declared it unconstitutional.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:40 PM (RrRNa)

____________________________________________
When was this? First I've heard of it.And even if this is the case, remember who SCOTUS is today....John "Do whatever the fuck you want as long as it's called a tax " Roberts. So OK, you can own a gun within 5000 feet of a school, but there's a $10M annual tax for the privilege. Done and done.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:43 PM (HDgX3)

121 I always thought that pinning Muslim rampages on political cartoons and the like was a pretty huge condemnation of them, but I think I'm forgetting that some people just hold Arab Muslims to a different standard.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:43 PM (csi6Y)

122 It's also a handy way for parents to get their kids
special treatment in school. "You can't give little Jimmy a detention!
It's not his fault he acts out. He's got ASPERGER'S. You're being
insensitive! I'll sue!" It's ridiculous, and it undercuts the needs of
children and adults who genuinely need the attention.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (4df7R)

----
Exactly.
"Little shits being little shits" garners no sympathy.

Posted by: Australian Lawmakers at December 17, 2012 01:43 PM (nELVU)

123 @94

No it wasn't it was do gooder clowns like Geraldo River who did "investigative" reports in the 60' and 70's and the anti-american ACLU who filed suit against states and the mental institutions about the conditions and how they were warehousing the crazies against their will

The states would never be able to afford the kinds of treatement that the progressives wanted.

Also the courts said the institutionalized could no longer be held against their will and with the help of the progressives they were set free.

FUCK THAT SHIT, THEY CREATED THE PROBLEM.


NOT CONSERVATIVES

Our solution whether you like it or not was to warehouse them, their solution was to set them free on the streets.

Tell me how that working out!!!???

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 17, 2012 01:44 PM (RrD4h)

124 It was the ACLU who emptied the metal institutions and made it almost
impossible to have someone committed until they do go off and start
killing people.


Amen.

Posted by: A nut on every corner, in every city at December 17, 2012 01:44 PM (vbh31)

Posted by: fixerupper at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (nELVU)

126 At the last meeting of the SDS that Bill Ayers was allowed to attend he advocated that the SDS make plans to become more violent. His argument was that until American families saw their children murdered in a similar fashion to South Vietnamese children being murdered by American forces, they would never truly understand the Vietnam War or support SDS's effort to get the fighting stopped. His suggection was that SDS begin targeted bombings of American elementary schools. The short story is that, as a result of the horror felt by the rest the organization at his suggestion, his faction was expelled from SDS and went on to form Weather Underground. Needless to say Mr. Ayers didn't get to commit his chain of school bombings. If he had, this week's shootings in Newtown, CT. would not have made anywhere near the impact on the public that they have.


Fast foreward a few years and you find Barak Obama starting his first political campaign event: a fundraiser in the living room of... Bill Ayers.


The irony burns.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (6BgmB)

127 115. Excellent choice

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (VbTKR)

128 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 01:42 PM (0q2P7)

I'd like to see a first ban policy for them. This bullshit is a big reason why the Tea Party gets smeared.

Well, that and Democrats are shameless...but for the average voter, there's just enough of a ring of truth to the race card that it's believable most of the time.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (csi6Y)

129 Anyone watch the show Parenthood? One of the characters has Aspergers. From what I've heard it's a good portrayal of the condition. The character is a teenager and basically a grade A asshole to everyone. He also has serious rage issues too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (HDgX3)

130 Exactly. "Little shits being little shits" garners no sympathy.

Case in point. Moi. Never got an ounce of sympathy for being a little shit.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (GFM2b)

131 From Wiki:

The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) was enacted as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990.[5]

It was subsequently declared to be an unconstitutional exercise of Congressional authority under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution by the United States Supreme Court, and was therefore voided. This case, United States v. Lopez (1995), was the first time in over half a century that the Supreme Court limited Congressional authority to legislate under the Commerce Clause.



However shortly after that they made some cosmetic changes to the law and repassed it. It is now back in place but I have not heard of anyone being charged with it.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:46 PM (53z96)

132 It was the ACLU who emptied the metal institutions and made it almost impossible to have someone committed until they do go off and start killing people.

Reading that story that DrewM (?) posted over the weekend, about the mother with the emotionally unstable son, broke my heart. She knows he's dangerous, but she can't do a damn thing about it. I don't know how I'd handle that kind of situation. I can't begin to imagine what that's like.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:46 PM (4df7R)

133 Just remember for any who do stray from the Alextopia orthodoxy of chocolate pies, hate shakes, and stompy boots - there is always the velociraptor option.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 17, 2012 01:46 PM (+k/kq)

134 It's also a handy way for parents to get their kids special treatment in school.

My ex teaches them, and I've met them all. Back in my day they were called "little boys". Because they're given rules to follow, they are actually better behaved than any mainstream class- which is why they so often fail to be mainstreamed: no rules.

Posted by: t-bird at December 17, 2012 01:47 PM (FcR7P)

135 "We don’t want to create a Shutter Island solution which results in putting away young disturbed men who refuse to assent to therapy."

I disagree.

Posted by: mare at December 17, 2012 01:47 PM (A98Xu)

136 >>>It's ridiculous, and it undercuts the needs of
children and adults who genuinely need the attention.

As much as I agree I can't help but think that if you kill almost thirty people you had to have SOMETHING.

Ditto for the woman who wrote that "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" article.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:47 PM (csi6Y)

137 The law passed in 1990, so it wasn't Clinton. Quel surprise it was Clinton's new BFF, George Bush Sr. that signed it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:48 PM (HDgX3)

138 Take that back. Wiki has a number of cases of people being convicted under the new law and district courts have upheld the law.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:48 PM (53z96)

139 It's also a handy way for parents to get their kids special treatment in school. "You can't give little Jimmy a detention!>>

But more importantly a SSDI check.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 17, 2012 01:49 PM (81UWZ)

140 > I believe we really need to go back to first principles and start talking about rights and freedom;



I understand your intention- I really do. But the other side doesn't want to hear it. You're talking about trying to persuade people who are so ideologically rigid that any opinion other than their own has no validity whatsoever.

The other side- the left, liberals, whatever label you choose- does not want to have a debate about anything. They just want their way, NOW, because they're right.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:50 PM (8sCoq)

141 In Australia today only people that can own guns are ranchers who can show a need for the gun to operate the ranch. I can see the same coming in the US. If you live in butt fuck nowhere, they'll let you own a hunting rifle. If you live anywhere near a city no guns.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:50 PM (HDgX3)

142 >>>We don’t want to create a Shutter Island solution which results in putting away young disturbed men who refuse to assent to therapy.

What do we do then? I don't see anything else working except the establishment of mandatory treatment facilities. That brings on a whole other can of worms, of course, most notably because it's hard for asylum patients to credibly complain when their caretakers are abusing them, but the solution probably involves something like that.

Otherwise, we can accept the new reality of indiscriminate pistol and shotgun rampages every year or so.

REALLY. There's no way to get someone arrested just because he fits the pattern of a school shooter to a T.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:51 PM (csi6Y)

143 Right now, Lee Harvey Oswald is laughing in hell. The assassintion of JFK really started the ball rolling on gun control with the banning of mail-order guns and, I believe, the first instances of gun registration.

I find it ironic that he held the same beliefs as the people who want to ban guns now.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 01:52 PM (1eCVj)

144 Home in bed with the flu today. The news is so depressing. So many idiots in the world. See you after another nap.

Posted by: Infidel at December 17, 2012 01:52 PM (z/wx3)

145 As much as I agree I can't help but think that if you kill almost thirty people you had to have SOMETHING.

Oh, agreed. I was just making a general statement about the profligate diagnosis of Asperger's in so many children these days. Since it's so hard to diagnose, it's EASY to diagnose. "My daughter is a little angel, doctor. It's simply not possible that she's a vicious little bitch. She must be sick. I think it's Asperger's. Don't you think it's Asperger's?" Enough pressure from helicopter parents would make any doctor cave on the diagnosis. Just like doctors who will write out prescriptions for antibiotics to treat the common cold.

But I'm sure this Tiny Dick Babykiller (I refuse to use its name) had some kind of psychological, behavioral, and/or emotional problem; potentially a severe form of Asperger's.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:53 PM (4df7R)

146
Case in point. Moi. Never got an ounce of sympathy for being a little shit.

Heh. Sympathy, no. Attention, yes. With the cold side of a paddle (hey, it was the sixties and seventies, back when kids would get, oh what's that called? yeah, Discipline).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 17, 2012 01:53 PM (yiIja)

147 It is now back in place but I have not heard of anyone being charged with it.

Its a bullshit "feel good" law never intended for actual enforcement. Anyone who might be charged under this had to do something much worse to even get noticed and picked up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:53 PM (RrRNa)

148 If you live in butt fuck nowhere, they'll let you own a hunting rifle. If you live anywhere near a city no guns.

Unless you're involved in a gang or other violent criminal enterprise, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 17, 2012 01:53 PM (/kI1Q)

149 37 31. I wouldn't mind banning the Beretta m9
Damn I hated that stupid gun

Posted by: Navycopjoe says FU lovie smith at December 17, 2012 01:14 PM (CPoFy)


You and me, both.

Hated that fuckin' piece of shit.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 17, 2012 01:54 PM (HAGoU)

150 If you live anywhere near a city no guns.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:50 PM (HDgX3)

Except, of course, if you are an inner city thug, then you get to keep doing whatever you want, only now it's a buffet.

Posted by: KG at December 17, 2012 01:54 PM (p7BzH)

151 The other side- the left, liberals, whatever label you choose- does not want to have a debate about anything. They just want their way, NOW, because they're right.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 17, 2012 01:50 PM (8sCoq)

again, I agree with most of what you said. I would suggest that the hard left, with which there is no negotiating and no debating for the reasons you made, do not account for the entirety the left. Also, as a result of liberal dominance in education and bias in the mfm and media in general, most Americans have never even had thoughts or conversations about rights and freedom.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 01:54 PM (Z9EHQ)

152

Something that is kinda bugging me, in some of the external commentary.

Some folks are making references to Adam Lanza as a "kid." And, linking him to his mother as if she was solely responsible for him. He was 20. Not a kid in my book.

Posted by: beach monday blah's at December 17, 2012 01:54 PM (LpQbZ)

153
I'm still at a total loss trying to imagine what the shooter was doing at that elementary school.

Don't '20something crazies typically go back to their high school? The mother didn't work there, there is no indication that he was involved with any of the staff, so what was he doing there?

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ZDsRL)

154 Stole mother's car to get to the massacre site. Stole brother's driver's license. Had no valid driver's license of his own. Still drove a stolen car to his final destination. Without that car, the children would be alive today.

Ban private automobiles. Especially those with automatic transmissions that allow even the most inept drivers to murder at will:

Ban private automobiles: The deadliest killers in the world.

Posted by: TheOculists at December 17, 2012 01:55 PM (B93TY)

155 If you live in butt fuck nowhere, they'll let you own a hunting rifle. If you live anywhere near a city no guns.

This has the full endorsement of the Burglars and Second Story Men union Local 315

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 01:56 PM (RrRNa)

156 While we're at it banning dangerous guns, how about we ban meth and heroin? Prohibition works, right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:56 PM (HDgX3)

157 >>>I believe we really need to go back to first principles and start talking about rights and freedom;

Liberals will always talk about the "messy complications" of allowing those rights, but they never go beyond that step, at which point they would figure out that allowing the rights in the Constitution is in fact the best solution - or the lesser of two evils when it comes to things like this.

I think we need to start talking about that third step more often, or in a different way than we do now. For example:

Step 1: the 2nd amendment allows Americans to defend themselves against criminals or a totalitarian government

Step 2: But the 2nd amendment also allows crazies like Jared Loughner to get their hands on Glocks with 30 round magazines and go on a rampage...

Step 3: In the end, our current policy does result in a higher number of gun deaths than other countries, but our crime rate is actually LOWER than most Western countries with severe firearms restrictions. So less dead people overall.

There is no perfect solution. Just the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:56 PM (csi6Y)

158 20 is an adult in almost all cultures, and biologically is two years from full development (frontal lobe)

Posted by: libtarded at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (uFY4s)

159 Something that is kinda bugging me, in some of the external commentary. Some folks are making references to Adam Lanza as a "kid." And, linking him to his mother as if she was solely responsible for him. He was 20. Not a kid in my book.
Posted by: beach monday blah's at December 17, 2012 01:54 PM (LpQbZ)



Are you serious. He was but a lad, comrade.

Posted by: ObamaCare at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (W7ffl)

160 *waves alextopia flag*

I was thinking more of just a heckler in the audience.
"Tell us how concerned you are" within the 1st minute of a statement similar to the speedocomment around here.

And/or a hole in the continuum sucking certain fuck-tards right out of existence like that underwater crab going up the pipe.

Posted by: DaveA at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (Xefrb)

161 Don't '20something crazies typically go back to
their high school? The mother didn't work there, there is no indication
that he was involved with any of the staff, so what was he doing there?

Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ZDsRL)

_____________
He was a right wing tea party nutjob who hated children. That's all you need to know.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (HDgX3)

162 Don't '20something crazies typically go back to their high school? The mother didn't work there, there is no indication that he was involved with any of the staff, so what was he doing there?
Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ZDsRL)


I'm baffled, too. Hopefully some kind of motive will be turned up in the course of the investigation that will explain his reasoning.Though in his mental state, any "reasoning" that was going on was clearly flawed.

Maybe his high school was farther away than his primary school and he didn't want to drive that far. Seriously.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (4df7R)

163 There are two ways. No freedom or freedom. In between is worse

Posted by: libtarded at December 17, 2012 01:58 PM (uFY4s)

164

If they do manage to pass a ban on guns...
What about body guards and security services?

How will all the liberal elitists live without their body guards?
Oh wait.
They won't need them anymore, because there would be no more crime.

Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2012 01:58 PM (K4wCe)

165 According to Obama 26 is still considered a child for the purpose of health insurance. So at 20, sure he's a barely out of diapers.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:58 PM (HDgX3)

166 *waves alextopia flag* Admittedly, alextopia is more of a benevolent(ish) dictatorship.

Aren't all dictatorships benevolent as long as you know your place?

Posted by: ColoradoAlex at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (3x3F6)

167 Nah he bated gay people

Posted by: alex at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (uFY4s)

168
Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:45 PM (HDgX3)
I know a kid with Aspergers. Super smart, polite, funny, sweet, but would walk through a football field while a game was going on because he can be unaware of what is going on around him. Depending on the severity it can mean that the kid just has trouble socially interacting, saying the considered polite thing or not understanding certain social boundaries. (Apparently the nerds need to beware, the libs are coming for them)This kid has no rage issues to speak of and he's not a dick. Just a little different.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (LaeNG)

169 I'm still at a total loss trying to imagine what the shooter was doing at that elementary school.

The State Troopers have some evidence showing why he went there and will release it when ready. Stay tuned.

Posted by: EC at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (GQ8sn)

170 Fantastic, fantastic piece. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (tVTLU)

171 God's heaven is a dictatorship

Posted by: alex at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (uFY4s)

172 164


If they do manage to pass a ban on guns...
What about body guards and security services?

How will all the liberal elitists live without their body guards? Posted by: wheatie at December 17, 2012 01:58 PM (K4wCe)

________________

Same way a movie that grosses $200M at the box office, loses $20M for the purposes of calculating income tax.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (HDgX3)

173 I have this book; it is great for refuting libtard gun control asswipes. Available on the Kindle now for app $5

http://is.gd/ASABou

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (53z96)

174 Let's hope and pray this is a false alarm:
A Turkish reporter working for the NBC TV news network is said to have been missing in Syria since Wednesday, Turkish media reported on Monday.
Turkey’s NTV news channel reported that Turkish correspondent for NBC, Aziz Akyavas, went missing in Syria and has not been reached for four days.
Along with Akyavas, NBC is unable to reach its Middle East bureau chief Richard Engel, who was also reporting from inside Syria.

I suppose I hope they are alright, but what the fuck do they think they were doing in Syria anyway?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (79ueO)

175 But I'm sure this Tiny Dick Babykiller (I refuse to use its name) had some kind of psychological, behavioral, and/or emotional problem; potentially a severe form of Asperger's.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:53 PM (4df7R)


----------------------------------------------------


Or he was just fucking evil. I'm voting for evil.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 02:00 PM (1eCVj)

176 Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 01:59 PM (53z96)

That was on my required reading list at George Mason.

Posted by: RWC at December 17, 2012 02:01 PM (fWAjv)

177 I have mild asbergers(more of the benefits than the cons) and severe adhere. Obviously it shows.
Ooooooh shiny

Posted by: alex at December 17, 2012 02:01 PM (uFY4s)

178 Liberals will always talk about the "messy complications" of allowing those rights, but they never go beyond that step, at which point they would figure out that allowing the rights in the Constitution is in fact the best solution - or the lesser of two evils when it comes to things like this.

There is no perfect solution. Just the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:56 PM (csi6Y)

yep. it is not a complicated argument and it needs to be had. you can have freedom with occasional problems or you can have rube goldberg legal plans and restrictions with equal or greater problems.

when has liberal meddling ever resulted in a better outcome? I would think simply bring up the war on poverty would be sufficient to refute any nonsense they may want to blather.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 02:01 PM (Z9EHQ)

179 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (4df7R)

More likely, he got his ass kicked in high school and was afraid that if he tried it at a high school, he'd get his ass kicked again.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 17, 2012 02:01 PM (L8r/r)

180 "The assault weapons ban is a done deal. Dems have the votes in the senate. In the House, they'll find 15 RINOs to vote on it as well. ... But it will only be the beginning."

I don't think Congress passing an AWB is a realistic possibility. I also don't think Obama is willing to spend time and political capital legislating such a contentious issue, particularly since he's never been much of a gun control advocate. I could be wrong, but that's my prediction. We might see some temporary executive orders to please the portion of the president's base that supports gun control, but I don't expect federal action following this tragedy to have any permanent impact on gun registration, ownership, availability or use.

Posted by: Jordan at December 17, 2012 02:01 PM (Hz1zc)

181 Something that is kinda bugging me, in some of the external commentary. Some folks are making references to Adam Lanza as a "kid." And, linking him to his mother as if she was solely responsible for him. He was 20. Not a kid in my book.

No, not a kid. But if the stories are true (and who knows if they are?) that his mother had quit or greatly cut back on work to care for him, then it would seem reasonable that he was not capable of fending for himself in the everyday world. So while calling him a kid isn't terribly accurate, his seeming dependency on his mother may be the truth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 02:02 PM (4df7R)

182 Syria, Egypt with more money

Posted by: alex at December 17, 2012 02:02 PM (uFY4s)

183 The State Troopers have some evidence showing why he went there and will release it when ready.

Translation: there's gonna be a mega-lawsuit over whatever this causal trigger was and we don't want to fuck this up and look like boobs.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 17, 2012 02:02 PM (RrRNa)

184 All mass murderer are rare, but how much rarer are elementary school murders

Posted by: alex at December 17, 2012 02:04 PM (uFY4s)

185 I suppose I hope they are alright, but what the fuck do they think they were doing in Syria anyway?

Reporting on the civil war in Syria?

Like most of you I don't have a lot of respect for the MSM, but I do give credit where due for war correspondents who willingly travel to dangerous places, knowing the risks.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)

186 From 1957 to today what's changed, I'll give you a hint, it's not the guns.

Improvements in medical technology. Lots of people who would have died from gunshot wounds during the ambulance ride in 1957 get saved in the ORs.

Obamacare will fix that, though.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 17, 2012 02:04 PM (/kI1Q)

187 But if the stories are true (and who knows if they are?) that his mother
had quit or greatly cut back on work to care for him, then it would
seem reasonable that he was not capable of fending for himself in the
everyday world.


His mother was receiving alimony payments to the tune of $375k a year from her ex-husband. I'm not sure what the cost of mental health care is in CT, but I'm pretty certain she could have purchased additional private care or some other form of help with that money. As far as I know, she did not work unless I completely misread the stories so far.

Posted by: EC at December 17, 2012 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

188 something is kinda bugging me too - the cold some moron arond here gave me over the weekend. I knew this was a den of iniquity but someone getting a cold from a blog egads. I am going to start wearing gloves when I am here. I will probably quit licking the monitor too - when I am here.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 02:05 PM (Z9EHQ)

189 Translation: there's gonna be a mega-lawsuit over whatever this causal
trigger was and we don't want to fuck this up and look like boobs.


My thought initially. But maybe this time, there really wasn't any warning and they're trying to be OCD about the details first and get it right.

Posted by: EC at December 17, 2012 02:06 PM (GQ8sn)

190 ""I also don't think Obama is willing to spend time and political capital
legislating such a contentious issue, particularly since he's never been
much of a gun control advocate.""



I want whatever you are smoking.

Posted by: Berserker at December 17, 2012 02:07 PM (FMbng)

191 My thought initially. But maybe this time, there really wasn't any warning and they're trying to be OCD about the details first and get it right.
Posted by: EC at December 17, 2012 02:06 PM (GQ8sn)

or they have no fucking clue.

probably trying to say he was in a neighborhood patrol.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 17, 2012 02:07 PM (Z9EHQ)

192 No, not a kid. But if the stories are true (and who knows if they are?) that his mother had quit or greatly cut back on work to care for him, then it would seem reasonable that he was not capable of fending for himself in the everyday world. So while calling him a kid isn't terribly accurate, his seeming dependency on his mother may be the truth.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 02:02 PM (4df7R)


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Couldn't fend for himself? I think she was afraid he'd hurt somebody.

Posted by: Soona at December 17, 2012 02:07 PM (1eCVj)

193

by next week, we'll be talking about new anti-bullying laws

that's where this is going

Posted by: soothsayer at December 17, 2012 02:08 PM (3oX3m)

194 >>>I also don't think Obama is willing to spend time and political capital
legislating such a contentious issue, particularly since he's never
been much of a gun control advocate.

Funny, almost like you live in a mirror universe or something.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 17, 2012 02:09 PM (0q2P7)

195 Like most of you I don't have a lot of respect for the MSM, but I do give credit where due for war correspondents who willingly travel to dangerous places, knowing the risks.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 17, 2012 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)


Some places are just to dangerous to be in. Period.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2012 02:09 PM (79ueO)

196 CBD has new one up.

Posted by: Vic at December 17, 2012 02:13 PM (53z96)

197 Firearms will always be ubiquitous and easily available in America.
America will always experience higher rates of violent gun crime.


Hi, Jordon, is the Texas Legislature still in session?

I notice you mention "violent gun crime" and not just "violent crime." Is "gun" crime somehow different (beyond the actual tool employed) than other violent crime? Are you less maimed/dead when attacked with a knife/axe/baseball bat than you are when attacked with a gun?

The reason I ask that question is that other countries have far, far more restrictive gun control laws than we do, and higher rates of violent crime per capita, which would seem to indicate (if I were going to draw a correlation = causation comparison here) that less restrictive gun laws, while resulting (perhaps unavoidably) in higher "gun" crime rates, actually lead to less crime.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 17, 2012 02:13 PM (5DR1j)

198 We need enough gun laws to tell ourselves, when one of our kids gets shot in a massacre like this, that our community did it's best in the obvious area of guns.

At birth, give everyone a semi-auto pistol, a shotgun, and a hunting rifle. Teach them how to use them. Call it good. Everything else: prison.

If a community is arming itself to defend against a modern military, it will suffer these tragedies endlessly. In addition, unless you have a major mountain range available, you ain't got a chance with automatic weapons anyway.

Yeah, the crazy killer problem is multi-dimensional, but a hard line on these nutty-assed weapons is insane.

Posted by: Palmcroft at December 17, 2012 02:16 PM (P9kUH)

199 "I also don't think Obama is willing to spend time and political capital

legislating such a contentious issue, particularly since he's never been

much of a gun control advocate."

__________________________________________________


He only spends time legislating less contentious issues like Obamacare.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 17, 2012 02:17 PM (HDgX3)

200 Don't '20something crazies typically go back to their high school? The mother didn't work there, there is no indication that he was involved with any of the staff, so what was he doing there?
Posted by: jwest at December 17, 2012 01:55 PM (ZDsRL)

I'm baffled, too. Hopefully some kind of motive will be turned up in the course of the investigation that will explain his reasoning.Though in his mental state, any "reasoning" that was going on was clearly flawed.

Maybe his high school was farther away than his primary school and he didn't want to drive that far. Seriously.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 17, 2012 01:57 PM (4df7R)




I seriously doubt this was random.

Somewhere I read that he went to the school previous, and argued with some of the folks there.

If that is not true, I would be there is some personal connection.

Posted by: beach monday blah's at December 17, 2012 02:18 PM (LpQbZ)

201 "Funny, almost like you live in a mirror universe or something. "
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging

It is a mirror universe! The president has a minuscule record on gun control. In 1996 he expressed support for the Illinois handgun ban. In 2000, he co-sponsored a bill that would limit gun purchases to one a month. In 2004 he voted to allow retired police officers to carry concealed weapons. That's about it. On the other side, the GOP chose a guy who permanently banned assault weapons and supported every other major effort at restricting gun ownership from the nation-wide assault weapons ban to the Brady bill to Clinton's Crime Prevention Act. It is indeed a mirror universe.

Posted by: Jordan at December 17, 2012 02:18 PM (Hz1zc)

202 Thanks for the great piece, Andy. I'm sending it to relatives right now.

I hope they keep the freely-available link open for good so I can cite it years from now whenever anyone spouts off about this crap. And I was really pleased about the Aussie stats being cited.

I've seen several lefties crowing in comments about how the Aussie handgun ban was so successful and murders there were down massively. (Especially when I recall reading years ago that the murder/handgun murder rate there was unchanged.) So the Aussie murder rate is down massively but it entirely mirrors the U.S.'s own drop in murders despite not having a handgun ban or more severe laws governing long-arms. And pleased that my memory isn't playing me false and that for many years after the complete handgun ban, the Aussie murder rate stayed roughly the same.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 17, 2012 02:18 PM (jPVBi)

203 Posted by: andycanuck at December 17, 2012 02:18 PM (jPVBi

Save a copy of it. I did just in case.
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Yeah, the crazy killer problem is multi-dimensional, but a hard line on these nutty-assed weapons is insane.
Posted by: Palmcroft at December 17, 2012 02:16 PM (P9kUH)

Clarification please? A hard line against or for?

Posted by: RWC at December 17, 2012 02:21 PM (fWAjv)

204 What about body guards and security services?

How will all the liberal elitists live without their body guards?



Waivers R' Us

Posted by: Campaign donation? /waiver at December 17, 2012 02:21 PM (LpQbZ)

205 He shot the glass out and walked into the school (so I've heard). The glass with the wire mesh in it would have kept him out long enough for the cops to arrive.
Schools can be made more secure with turning them into gulags. Is there anything preventing school administrators from being issued tasers?How about RFID tags for school employees? They are not too expensive and they can be coupled with passwords to help to ensure that the person entering the building is the card holder. And more compartmentation within the school with large double hallway doors that only open for passholders except for between classes. In fact- hall passes can be implemented in an RFID scheme.
I wonder how much homeland security money made it down to school improvements.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at December 17, 2012 02:26 PM (y67bA)

206 Save a copy of it. I did just in case.
Yep. That's the second thing I did. (And suggested my relatives do the same thing too.)

Posted by: andycanuck at December 17, 2012 02:31 PM (jPVBi)

207 I also don't think Obama is willing to spend time and political capital
legislating such a contentious issue, particularly since he's never been
much of a gun control advocate.""


eh?

#1 he doesn't legislate -- he won't get his hands dirty; that is the job of his disciples. Everything else is done on the sly.

#2 eh?

Posted by: beach at December 17, 2012 02:31 PM (LpQbZ)

208 For the media, a little food for thought: For a country so awash in guns and gun culture it is awfully rare for the gun-man-on-a-rampage to get shot by some one other than himself.

You would think, with all of these guns about, that after his third shot he would be properly ventilated. That never seems to come up in the post-crime talk.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at December 17, 2012 02:36 PM (hLRSq)

209 Step 3: In the end, our current policy does result in a higher number of gun deaths than other countries, but our crime rate is actually LOWER than most Western countries with severe firearms restrictions. So less dead people overall.

There is no perfect solution. Just the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at December 17, 2012 01:56 PM (csi6Y)

Dr. Sowell?

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 17, 2012 02:36 PM (Su0W2)

210
You can't own a gun if you live within 5000 feet of a school

Not good enough.

Ban driving within 5000' of any school too. Otherwise people who live outside the 5000' perimeter may bring their guns in. We need a full exclusion zone, demilitarized, with land mines around every school enclave.

Posted by: Entropy at December 17, 2012 02:55 PM (TULs6)

211
You would think, with all of these guns about, that after his third shot he would be properly ventilated. That never seems to come up in the post-crime talk.

That's why the always shoot up gun free zones. Schools, malls, theaters.

In the history of ever, nobody has evercommitted a mass shooting ina gun store.

Posted by: Entropy at December 17, 2012 02:57 PM (TULs6)

212 I would point out that people with aspergerscan ALSO be insane ... may have been the case here ... one could easily have NOTHING to do with the other ...

Posted by: JeffC at December 17, 2012 03:12 PM (A3tpD)

213 29 I only want the undistilled facts on the Newtown story whenever that comes.In the mean time I'd rather not compulsively bathe in group emoting promoted by cable selling commercial time and ratings points.Any normal person can be brought tears when dwelling on the heartbreaking details.But nothing productive comes from such an artificially constructed scenario, only a lot of confused emotions mistaken for clear thinking and just resolve.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 17, 2012 01:09 PM (aZ6ew)
THIS!!! Finally - it's reassuring to know I'm not aloneon this thought....

Posted by: laughingboy at December 17, 2012 04:00 PM (d2CZd)






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