Killer Killed His Parents First

Parents first.

He then went to Connecticut to kill a woman he was involved with somehow -- whether wife or ex-girlfriend -- and also to kill all the children near her.

I think we were just talking a few weeks ago about a certain form of intensely narcissistic psychopathy that spurs people to kill everyone close to them rather than just taking the gentleman's way out of suicide. (I don't mean to give a nod towards suicide but if the difference is between killing yourself and murdering your whole family for your failures and inadequacies, let's put in a good word for suicide.)

I've said this before but I think the media can help reduce these things from occurring. These nutters see themselves heroically, sort of as bigger-than-life agents of mayhem and evil. Now that may sound like a bad thing to you, but it doesn't sound bad to them: They've embraced it.

And what Evil is usually described as, in popular mythology, which these guys are not, is potent and capable. Yes, Evil is horrible, but these guys are embracing it for the Power of it. Because they are failures and hopelessly inadequate in their own lives, they contrive a fantasy in which they become Dark Heroes -- larger than life and big as death -- by murdering a lot of people.

Obviously we have a debased value system here. But it does seem to me that that one thing they value and cherish is their self-conception of the Big Scary Man, who you should Take Serious Notice Of because he's Scary and Capable of Anything.

And a lot of media coverage tends to play this angle up. And I don't mean to knock the press too badly on this -- evil sells, and these people are evil.

However, I think it would do at least something to dissuade the next potential mass murderer to know, for example, that coverage on him will not focus on the Evil Menace part of him (which is a self-conception he finds flattering), but the Sad, Lonely Pathetic Guy Who Has a Small Dick and Couldn't Keep a Woman or a Job and Just Couldn't Hack It part of him. The part that's actually much more relevant to his crime -- masterful men do not have to kill people to let the world know "I exist" -- and the party that he's actually afraid of other people knowing about.

If I were the media, I'd allow myself to get very personal in publishing accounts of these guys. Personal, and nasty.

And not only is this a bit of a public service, but, as I said, this is much more relevant to the actual reasons for his crime than this puffed-up faux-heroic claimed motivations. The maniac in Colorado did not shoot up a theater because of Batman, and to even say that credits his self-conception as true and puffs up his fantasy connection to Batman.

No, the maniac in Colorado shot up the theater because he was a pathetic weakling unloved by women and incapable of satisfying them and so retreated into a twisted babydick world of power fantasy.

Same thing with this guy.

I'm going to go against my political team, here-- although conservatives often say "Label evil as what it is, Evil, and leave therapy and psychology out of it," I'm going to say No, not in these instances. Because Evil (notice the capital letter E) is powerful in these sad losers' imaginations, and they want to be called the Big Scary Man, the Shadow That Menaces At Midnight.

For an impotent, weak, ineffectual man, that is an attractive fantasy.

What they do not want and could not abide is an accurate assessment of their psychology, their physical stature and shortcomings, their ability to succeed in work or school, their loser history with women, and so on.

To the average people, the idea of being called Evil is bracing and restraining. Not to these fellers. All of these bizarre murders are motivated, at root, by the psychology of utter failure. These are flop-sweat murders, sexual panic murders, too weak to carry on murders. Reporting them as such would not only provide at least as small disincentive to the Power Fantasy losers who commit them, but would actually be much, much closer to the truth than "Heavy Metal poisoned his mind."

No, being the runt who no one loved all his life poisoned his mind. Heavy Metal was just his escape from that. Or Batman, or video games, or Jared Laugher's Conspiracy By Manipulation of Grammar, etc. Promoting the Batman/Heavy Metal angle takes the lunatic's diagnosis of himself as credible.

It's not.

There's a Pink Floyd song that mentions a sentence of being exposed before your peers. Let's strip the Mystery away from these guys. The Mystery angle is both complimentary (in the only way it matters-- as they assess a compliment) and false. The thoughts of a loser gone lunatic are not particularly mysterious, and not very interesting; they're all basically the same, as FBI profilers can tell you.

So less of that.

These guys are Romanticizing murder and conceiving it as some sort of Blaze of Glory heroic Act III. Everything we do and say should refuse that romanticization. Where they seek to seem big, we should make them small (which, again, is actually on the mark as far as accurately). Where they wish to seem Potent -- capable of inflicting their will on the world -- we should strip them down to what they actually are, impotent in virtually all ways. A little finger pulling a gun they didn't build is the one sad skill they've had any success with.

Let them know that murder will not be an escape from that pitiful truth, but rather a life sentence of being confronted with it.

"Theater:" A commenter "beach" cites an expert diagnosing this sort of crime.

A key word is "theater" -- the psychopath chooses this sort of senseless, large-scale murder for the theatrical element. Obviously there is no "motive" as it is usually understood -- murdering a bunch of kids does not advance his cause (the way murdering a man for his car would get you, temporarily, a car).

He wants to be discussed; he's giving a performance; he wants to move the audience.

The audience shouldn't indulge him by considering him in the terms her prefers.


Posted by: Ace at 02:56 PM



Comments

1 Amen Ace.

Fox is now reporting 20 children dead.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 02:58 PM (oQmCC)

2 OMG. No words.

What is wrong with people?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 02:59 PM (6zgse)

3 Shit is weird. Or someone is playing games on Twitter.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 02:59 PM (feFL6)

4 "Going postal"...has been elevated as something that is 'cool'.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 03:00 PM (K4wCe)

5 >OMG. No words.



What is wrong with people?



they're fucking CRAZY

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:00 PM (8sCoq)

6 Symptoms of a sick culture.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 14, 2012 03:01 PM (bb5+k)

7 What a horrible crime, and following so close after Aurora. This is just awful any time, but especially wrenching around the holidays.

Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 03:02 PM (Hz1zc)

8 Shit is weird. Or someone is playing games on Twitter.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 02:59 PM (feFL6)


Yes, because FOX still has that Ryan Lanza's pic on on their front page

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:02 PM (79ueO)

9 Anything that points out just how fucked up these people are and how that contrasts with the millions of normal people who go to work each day to help support the family they love is fine by me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 03:02 PM (yiIja)

10 Excellent post, sir.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (K+mtQ)

11 There's a reason that the corpses of heinous criminals and traitors were abused by the authorities. It's harder to picture them as heroic as they tarred skeletons fall to pieces on the gibbet.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (QupBk)

12 WTF are schools supposed to do when they have a security system that requires facial recognition by someone in authority to enter, and its a Dad intent on killing his own child and the entire classroom?

The illusion of security. Talked to the daughter a couple minutes ago, with three in elementary school and she's *this close* to homeschooling.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (feFL6)

13 Is that Ryan J Lanza of Sandy Hook, CT and Hoboken, NJ ?
Son of Peter and Nancy Lanza of Sandy Hook, CT ?

Posted by: Yasser Arafat at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (e8kgV)

14 I cannot imagine the crushing despair of the parents.

I cannot imagine the horror the responders, cops, firemen, EMTs, nurses, and doctors are going through.

Because of one person.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (Ec6wH)

15 Nice post.

Yup.

Losers who only gain by inflicting loss.

Black holes of suck.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (LRFds)

16 Seeing a disturbing alleged statement from Carney on some other blogs regarding Obama about to make an "unpopular" decision regarding the 2nd amendment. This has better be a hoax.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (7ObY1)

17 Fake tweet? What the hell is going on?

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (q177U)

18 See,I don't think that they're all crazy. Loughner? Yeah, I think he was probably criminally insane. Most of these shooters? Pathetic little men with small dicks.

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 03:03 PM (wsGWu)

19 RickLeventhalFoxNews ‏@RickLeventhal

I'm told shooter may have killed father in NJ home, then mother in CT home, then gunned down mother's entire kindergarten class

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (8sCoq)

20 The Ryan Lanza whose account has been retweeted is apparently NOT the guy either...


Yikes...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (bgzAd)

21 1
Amen Ace.

Fox is now reporting 20 children dead.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 02:58 PM

The MSM is all over the place with death counts, shooter names, rushed stories that turn out to be inaccurate

What is consistent is Andrea Mitchell pouring the blood of the dead over herself to push a political agenda

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (wwsoB)

22 He has achieved what he wanted.Everyone talking about him.

Posted by: steevy at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (dBYCN)

23 Some of us have small dicks, and compensate in positive ways.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (Ec6wH)

24 Was his mother the connection to the children? Or was he a dad to one of them?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (AWmfW)

25 @5. And evil. Let's not forget evil.

I have a serious question. I'm from Nigeria, which is in a much worse state economically and in other ways than the US (it goes without saying), but these types of murders are foreign to us. They just don't happen. Don't get me wrong, we have our own large share of criminality, and the US is safer on the whole. But over there people murder for some perceived or real benefit to themselves. Or revenge. But just not random rampages or murder-suicides.

I think in this post, Ace touched upon why things like this may happen over here, but any other ideas?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (6zgse)

26 The Devil makes himself known to the weak-willed, the better to tempt them to their own destruction. Ace is right, the true strong-willed people don't need to become a monster to impress other people. they are busy impressing people already by being good at what they do, good with their families, and good people to know when there is trouble. The temptation to become mighty by treading on the backs and faces of others has a special appeal for the losers of the world. Which is probably why gangsta rap sells, and dictators lead more governments than legally elected presidents.



Posted by: exdem13 at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (1GunI)

27 Here we go. Everyone will call for new laws. Obama to have a press conference soon. Any guesses on how he will exploit this situation?

Posted by: navybrat at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (Ty7ja)

28 16 BlueStateRepublican,

Let him....

a lot of union donks need reminded who they got into bed with

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (LRFds)

29 24

Seems like the mother taught the Kindergarten class...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:06 PM (bgzAd)

30 kbdabear I hope all who are using this horrible tragedy to push their political agendas catch a cancer that eats their face off.

Now is not the time for politics. Now is the time to rally together and help.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:06 PM (oQmCC)

31 I'm told shooter may have killed father in NJ home, then mother in CT home, then gunned down mother's entire kindergarten class


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (8sCoq)
His mother loved the kids more than him?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:06 PM (AWmfW)

32 Both parents of the shooter confirmed dead in their homes, per Fox.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 14, 2012 03:06 PM (4cRnj)

33 Totally agree, Ace.

Posted by: Mainah at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (659DL)

34
So is it just one shooter?

I kinda think this detail is important, no?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (G/zuv)

35 I'm told shooter may have killed father in NJ home, then mother in CT home, then gunned down mother's entire kindergarten class
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:04 PM (8sCoq)

??? So the Mom was not at school today?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (79ueO)

36 Very good, Ace. Needs to be shouted out.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (0Db2g)

37 Well done, Ace.

Excellent job on Twitter, too. Nice page at Twitchy. Stay caffeinated, my friend.

Posted by: K-Bob at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (we9S7)

38 So is it just one shooter?

I kinda think this detail is important, no?
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (G/zuv)

Appears so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (79ueO)

39 In about 8 minutes President Obama will be holding a press conference on this I think.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (oQmCC)

40 One brother is 20 and the other is 24.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (NIZHJ)

41
And what Evil is usually described as, in popular mythology, which these guys are not, is potent and capable. Yes, Evil is horrible, but these guys are embracing it for the Power of it. Because they are failures and hopelessly inadequate in their own lives, they contrive a fantasy in which they become Dark Heroes -- larger than life and big as death -- by murdering a lot of people.

This, to me at least, is the Modern Anti-Hero, which started to become popular in the '60's.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM (yiIja)

42 I think we were just talking a few weeks ago about a certain form of
intensely narcissistic psychopathy that spurs people to kill everyone
close to them rather than just taking the gentleman's way out of
suicide.


I was talking about "The Shield" and the last episode where Shane kills his family and then himself right before was he about to be captured by the police. Shawn Ryan, the creator, based that ending off what he read about "family destroyers" from psychiatrists.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)

43 May the families of these Blessed Innocents be comforted and find strength ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 03:09 PM (gh+mp)

44 While I really like the idea of puncturing these idiots inflated sense of their super villain powers and all, we better be ready for the consequences. Remember, everything is political and everything is just a different opportunity for em.

Play up their status as a loser and expect even more PSAs from has been Hollywierd types against 'bullying' with 'bullying' already being defined as 'not letting the out kid sit at your table' and such. Saw that one today on the tube while the grandkids were watching. In other words is being a loser causes people to go postal expect even more of the 'everybody gets a trophy' mentality.

Posted by: John Morris at December 14, 2012 03:09 PM (sCRhB)

45
So the guy killed BOTH his mom and dad.


Just a note to parents, make sure Santa doesn't forget anything.


Might be a mistake this year.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:09 PM (wR+pz)

46 Why Fox why? Interviewing a child about what happened this morning. Why?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:09 PM (oQmCC)

47 Let them know that murder will not be an escape from that pitiful truth, but rather a life sentence of being confronted with it.
Posted by: Ace


Doesn't this presume they care?

Obviously we don't know enough to make any conclusion about today but what hard evidence is there that some shift in reporting would affect any of them?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (TtXjG)

48 39
In about 8 minutes President Obama will be holding a press conference on this I think.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:07 PM

Multiply that by 3 at least. He's NEVER in time for a presser

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wwsoB)

49 I'm also perturbed by the current need to explain evil away as mental illness, and then treat mental illness on the same level as diabetes. Hey, give them some pills, tell them to come into the clinic every so often for tests, tell them that they are their own best guardians. It's OK, the voices in their heads are only illusions, don't worry if those people are no longer taking their meds, or talking to their case workers, or to other people.... OK fine, if the mentally ill aren't goblins who do evil for kicks, why don't they get put away for enforced treatment so they don't become goblins who do evil because they can't make objective moral decisions anymore?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (1GunI)

50 There's a Pink Floyd song that mentions a sentence of being exposed before your peers. >>>>>>

That song is The Trial. You linked Waiting for the Worms, though that song is awesome and appropriate in many ways too...

Posted by: Joejm65 at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (UZuc4)

51 A new low by Fox. They are interviewing an eight year old about the shooting.

What parent lets that happen?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)

52 Some times, you amaze me with your thought process Ace. Just when I think you're a friggin nutcase, you write something that puts certain things in words that can easily be understood and express just about perfectly what's in my head.

Well done, sir.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (UK9cE)

53 I agree with Ace on how these people should be treated by the media, and by the authorities. My husband believes they should never ever be referred to by name but become anonymous, with a regularly changing reference number for the purposes of recordkeeping.
I do believe that Evil is pervasive on earth, has been since the beginning, and will be until the end. And its influence is subtle, and very, very effective.

Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (9zugO)

54 Anna .No Way?

Posted by: ette at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (nqBYe)

55 Ace is dead on on the psychology and whys.
Before I read the part saying they should humiliate this guy, I was thinking the same thing. Guys like this loser LOVE the fact that they will be notorious and a page in a horrible history. The fact they will never see that, means little.
If we can make doing what he did completely "unglamorous" in every way, it will happen less.
BTW, I don't think it's "galmorous", but these lunatics do.

Posted by: Hard Right at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (uhftQ)

56 These murder/suicides are boring. All the savages who do murder suicide do it this way; it's the same thing every time.

If you want your murder/suicide to be unique, here's a suggestion.

Be daring, be bold, be different.

If you're determined to carry out a murder/suicide...

...start with the suicide.

Posted by: Sgt. York at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (WHcjL)

57 Given the recent increased security measures at the school, you've gotta wonder if his mother, a teacher, might have been raising red flags prior.

^ rampant speculation

Posted by: Walter Freeman at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (kqGWM)

58 They are interviewing the kids because they're ghouls.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (0Db2g)

59 Superb insight Ace. I'm in total agreement with the small-dicks theory and that that is what needs to be publicized.

That and building a public urinal over the graves of these monsters so the public can forever after show their...ahem...regard.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (4x8W0)

60 They are now talking with the parent of the girl and with Sophia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (oQmCC)

61 Both the twitter and FB pages going around, including the photo being shown on Fox are NOT the guy.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (2t6Gz)

62 What I am about to say is going to be virulently unpopular with some...but...

A culture that devalues life, personal responsibility, faith, and truth experiences moments like this. Evil exists and it will exploit every gap and crack resulting from the results of the previous sentence. Let me very clear aboutit: Government and politicians cannot solve our cultural decline--they can only accelerate it.

I simply have no words for the parents of those kids or the loved ones of the others slain on this horrible day. I'm going home. I'm going to get on my knees and I'm going to pray for us. Allof us.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (B+qrE)

63

...

Maybe a media consumer view isn't the right perspective from which to understand people who actually do things.

Maybe they're not like you.

Posted by: oblig. at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (cePv8)

64 What parent lets that happen?


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)


Yeah not surprised by Fox, they're a "news organization". That mother is disgusting.

Posted by: Adam at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (/YJYi)

65 51
A new low by Fox. They are interviewing an eight year old about the shooting.

What parent lets that happen?


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:10 PM (wR+pz)

Everyone grabs their piece of the 15 minutes.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (AWmfW)

66 Ace, not only are you right, but a forensic psychiatrist says the same thing and in more detail. This is from Charlie Brooker's Newswipe. The forensic psychiatrist part starts around 1:40 but go ahead and watch the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

Posted by: mr_jack at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (TMG3G)

67 I have a serious question. I'm from Nigeria, which is in a much
worse state economically and in other ways than the US (it goes without
saying), but these types of murders are foreign to us. They just don't
happen. Don't get me wrong, we have our own large share of criminality,
and the US is safer on the whole. But over there people murder for
some perceived or real benefit to themselves. Or revenge. But just not
random rampages or murder-suicides.


Yeah, in Nigeria it's just your good old fashioned Muslims slaughtering Christians. It's a far more reasonable rationale for massacring schoolchildren.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (+lsX1)

68 If what my wife is telling me is correct, the shooter is not a loner or a loser... She believes he works for her firm, a Big 4 accounting house. Not online in his office today...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (bgzAd)

69
Excellent assessment Ace, I agree.
All the (righteous) fear and panic and profound sorrow being felt that is shown and explored a lot by the media I think also compels people who would do this, because it affirms they are making an impact.
However, covering that stuff is valid, it's what people feel, so I don't really have an answer for the second part. Deranged people are still going to commit these Evil acts even if the media doesn't cover how scared people are over it.

Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:12 PM (+xmn4)

70 It's harder to picture them as heroic as they tarred skeletons fall to pieces on the gibbet.

The British Empire didn't arise and thrive by accident. They got a few thing right along the way.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 03:13 PM (G0eua)

71 #62 Circa

Amen.

Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 03:13 PM (9zugO)

72 I do think it's important to identify evil as evil, but that's today mainly in response to the rush I'm seeing to reduce this to a mental health issue, as though this loser would have been kept in check if only he'd been given the right dose of trazodone.

My suspicion is that reducing these things to an issue of mental health will probably be as fruitless as taking away all the guns.

Mind you, I have no idea what should be done, but I do support the idea of aggressively exposing these people as dickless losers.

Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 03:13 PM (H84UO)

73 @49. I think normal folks may sometimes say these evildoers must be mentally ill because we can't imagine ourselves committing such evil under any circumstances.

I believe the vast majority of people that commit these crimes do so because they are evil (not in an original sin sense). They are so steeped in evil that they may behave kind of crazy sometimes, but the bottom line is they have embraced murderous evil completely and are irredeemable narcissists.

Just my opinion.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:13 PM (6zgse)

74 It's still sort of odd that FB guy has the same name and connections with Newton and Hoboken.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:13 PM (0Ufr+)

75 >>> I'm from Nigeria, which is in a much worse state economically and in other ways than the US (it goes without saying), but these types of murders are foreign to us.

I think there are psychological pressures in a culture that has a lot of big successes and where you see them on TV and stuff all the time.

I don't think this sort of thing is as common in places where there is less upward mobility and less promise of that. In a village where if you're the pharmacist's son you're expected to be the pharmacist (and usually are), there's less of a gap between what you are and what you think you could be/should be.

Not to knock Nigeria. I'm not saying it's backwards. I'm guessing, though, it doesn't have the avenues of upward mobility that the US does.

The trouble with an avenue of upward mobility is that if you don't make it, you feel shame. In Japan, lots of guys kill themselves over that. Here, we have suicides, of course, and also this sort of thing.

Serial killers tend to be middle class (more than strict per-capita guessing would predict, I think). I am not a psychologist but if I had to guess, I'd guess they tend to be middle class because it's only the middle class that feels class nervousness and the bleak horror of complete failure.

Those who are in the lower class, and happy to be there, don't feel much stress to succeed; those in the upper class can't really fail completely, unless they really, really try at it (daddy can bail them out for a long time).

So the stress and the snapping points tend to be piled up in the middle class, where you CAN succeed, but where you can also fail, and it's the failure, of course, that causes psychological derangements.

This is no indictment of capitalism or upward mobility or a culture of success, of course. Just to note that any set of rules is going to produce problems in some.

Where ever there's energy --as in the striving, success-conscious middle class, or in immigrant populations (they were the ones, after all, who got up off their asses and took a risk) -- there's naturally also going to be *bad* energy.



Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (LCRYB)

76 61
Both the twitter and FB pages going around, including the photo being shown on Fox are NOT the guy.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (2t6Gz)

This should be the difference between "bloggers" and "media". Media should check their shit .

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (AWmfW)

77 Circa, I don't disagree with anything you say. Thank you for the prayers.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (Ec6wH)

78 They let Sheep Smith read the news.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (NIZHJ)

79 I want to know why the president needs to comment on this

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (8sCoq)

80 Good notion Ace, but do you really think that those types who run the media (who actually believe pedophilia is an alternative lifestyle) are going to demonize and degrade these fucks (note how they treated Roman Polanski and groups like NAMBLA) when they can use it to try to get firearms taken away from everyone? Not fucking likely, I say.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (OlN4e)

81
I'd like to see these nuts who are bent on murder-suicide to consider doing at a gang's clubhouse instead of a school.

If you want to die, take out a few gangbangers in the process.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (G/zuv)

82 The liberals that romanticize this "menacing evil" stuff do so because they identify with it. Liberalism is the ultimate smalldick ideology.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (R8BMm)

83 0 One brother is 20 and the other is 24.



Were they both involved with the shooting?

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (wsGWu)

84 Although this guy wasn't Mr. Sanity, his family et al could've been at the center of his problems.

All families aren't nice, aren't supportive, arent' sane themselves and as a result, they produce more insanity.

This is not to say that that's always the case, however to make a blanket statement that his explosion was derived solely from his own faults and derangement could be in error.

Of course many people endure what others cannot but this shouldn't be cause to make statements that focus all of his mental imbalances as of his own making.

Families can and do make some of their members nuts.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 14, 2012 03:14 PM (3E2th)

85 circa

you nailed it......totally agree

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (xDelD)

86 Very well written, sir. Very correct.

We'restill going to use these kids bodies to furtherour agenda.

Posted by: your liberal douchetard betters at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (0APJ3)

87 Fox isn't covering themselves in glory covering this, and Geraldo and Shep haven't even stepped in yet

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (wwsoB)

88 Excellent post. Really impressive -- and that's a high bar on this site.

[not snark. I'm serious]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (GsoHv)

89 Ace - you are good.
Damn good yet again.
If ONLY this angle would be taken by the media... but it would distract from their gun control agenda here, because weakening the evil of the perp weakens the evil of the gun as well. Making the perp a tool makes the gun a tool....

Posted by: Ostar at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (WIdeI)

90 Attention based society has problems, everyone wants to be noticed, it doesn't take a long time on twitter or facebook to figure this out. With hardly a moral compass or respect for liberty the results of this drive can be devastating.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (NzBQO)

91
25.....But over there people murder for some perceived or real benefit to themselves. Or revenge. But just not random rampages or murder-suicides.

I think in this post, Ace touched upon why things like this may happen over here, but any other ideas?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (6zgse)

----------

'Evil' is celebrated as something that is 'cool'.

Doing something outrageous...just to get attention...has become comonplace.

Take the word 'wicked', for example...'wicked' is now used as a compliment.

So in the game of attention-seeking, the attention-seekers are now seeking even more heinous ways of gaining points in their acts of mayhem.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (K4wCe)

92 Has anyone seen anything about a motive yet? Small dick theory or not, I don't understand what possible motive the shooter had against the children.

My guess: shooter was on medication or had recently stopped taking it.


Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (GQ8sn)

93 ".223 hi-caliber rifle?" Did I just hear the local Fox idiot say that?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (oQmCC)

94 So, he murdered his mother before she went to work and then appeared at the school to murder the children/adults?

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (0Ufr+)

95 58
They are interviewing the kids because they're ghouls.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at December 14, 2012 03:11 PM (0Db2g)

So Roger Allies, sp, lets this shit go on? Where is HIS pride? The parents might not have any, but the head grown up should.
Not their finest hour. This country is turning into one big fucking soap opera.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (wR+pz)

96 I've said this before but I think the media can help reduce these things from occurring.

Yeah, sure, but what's in it for us and The Party?

Posted by: The MFM at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (FcR7P)

97
Again FB guy is:

same age
lives in Hoboken
grew up in Newton

What a coincidence!

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:16 PM (0Ufr+)

98 Fuckstick on TV NOW

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:16 PM (8sCoq)

99 fucked up his speech already

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 14, 2012 03:16 PM (xDelD)

100 I always thought that in these instances the police should announce that the killer was found wearing Hello Kitty panties and with a gerbil up his ass. If people knew that's how their grand gestures were going to be recorded by history it might stop a few of these.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (nZvGM)

101 The President is on now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (oQmCC)

102 >>>I do think it's important to identify evil as evil, but that's today mainly in response to the rush I'm seeing to reduce this to a mental health issue, as though this loser would have been kept in check if only he'd been given the right dose of trazodone.

I understand that your moral world is based in morality, but what I don't get is that you think morality is the answer for a cat like this. He has consciously chosen not merely be amoral or immoral but to be anti-moral in the most extreme way possible. He has chosen, essentially, to make himself Satan, to become a demon.

I don't see any sense of all in the idea he just needed morals. He saw those morals and thought it would be a cool thing to become morally Satanic.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (LCRYB)

103 Jesus- Obama making this about how HE feels

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (8sCoq)

104 Well said, Ace.

Go through his computer. Get his IP.

What what he doing Friday night? Looking at porn? Like a fucking loser with no girl.
What has he been doing every Friday night?

Post the most embarrassing fact about this loser's life.

Pictures that show his pale, weak, bird chest. His weak man-boy scruff of a non-beard. His already flabby, skinny-fat gut.

Post the porn he looks at. Post the most embarrassing porn he's looked at.

Post his job history.

Post his grades. Especially his failures.

Post his SAT scores -- especially if they are low. Or lower than he wishes they were.

Post pictures of his broken down, ratty-ass car.

Post emails where he whines like a bitch to a girl who dumped him.

Post anything embarrassing about his medical history. Acne, asthma, herpes.

Total character assassination for any murderers. Make it known that we'll take the most unflattering aspects of their life and put that on a wall. That is how they'll be remembered.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (ZPrif)

105 Whoever the shooter turns out to be, one thing you can bet on besides demands for gun bans

Teacher unions comparing anyone who doesn't break the budget to give teachers massive raises will be compared to the shooter

Take it to the bank

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (wwsoB)

106 I just want to say, these childern will be covered under the Affordable Care Act until they are 26!


What, they are dead? Oh, never mind.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (wR+pz)

107 Somebody has to announce the gun ban and the arrival of UN troops to enforce it.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (NIZHJ)

108 From AP:

The official also said Ryan Lanza's girlfriend and another friend are missing in New Jersey.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (qky7A)

109 Awww.....O'blahblah wiped away a tear.....

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (X6akg)

110 GEH @67, I am not trying to say my country is superior in any way. I was trying to get at what people thought was behind this particular type of crime. It was an honest question.

Murder is murder and is always evil.

I also meant to mention the Muslim on other people murders but I forgot. Plus I grew up in Southern Nigeria, not in the North where all that stuff happens.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (6zgse)

111 Was it Dirty Steve or Charlie in Young Guns that was hysterical about being hanged because you mess yourself?

Yeah, that sentiment needs to come back in style rather than explore how the shooter was troubled.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (4136b)

112 Can he read his statement more woodenly?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (oQmCC)

113 O sounds like he is channeling his Trayvon response

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (0PiQ4)

114 "What parent lets that happen?"
===============

Two kinds of parents stick out for me:

1. Parents in shock who just aren't thinking straight; or

2. Leftist parents who don't want to let a crisis go to waste.

I'm not assuming any of these parents are number 2, mind you.

Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (H84UO)

115 Bring out the tears. It always works for me.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (wR+pz)

116 ARE you people seeing this

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (8sCoq)

117 This is what I've been thinking all morning. Evil seems to imply some grand, powerful menance and this is the act of a pathetic, weak, impotent maggot.
Anyway, I've had this thought all morning but I couldn't put it into words. Thanks for this. I couldn't agree more with what you've written.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (EHlD/)

118 Uh-oh. TFG crocodile tearing ala Boner. That worries me.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (svK4p)

119 Here we go.

Posted by: navybrat at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (Ty7ja)

120 I honestly cannot tell if he is speaking sincerely or not

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (0PiQ4)

121 Just put the flag at half staff outside the plant. I don't know what else I can do.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (Ec6wH)

122
Did Obama give any shout-outs to any injuns, first?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (G/zuv)

123 We want your GUNS!

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (wR+pz)

124 This incident brought to you by:

Liberalism - There is no God. There are no consequences for your actions. Go ahead and do whatever because, you just might feel good. Or something.

My vagina, my choice, and you better make it free.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (UK9cE)

125 I hate to say this but I think O is faking the tears.

Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (9zugO)

126

I hear the killer has a dick the size of a chapstick tube and he used to put it in his mother's cat.

Which was a male cat.

And the cat was able to fight him off most of the time.

Posted by: imp at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (UaxA0)

127 I honestly cannot tell if he is speaking sincerely or not
Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (0PiQ4)


If he is speaking, by definition, it is not sincere.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:19 PM (79ueO)

128 120
I honestly cannot tell if he is speaking sincerely or not

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:18 PM (0PiQ4)

His lips are moving, he is lying.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (wR+pz)

129
did he use his daughters as props, yet?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (G/zuv)

130 Well that was pointless

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (79ueO)

131 The media isn't really interested in reducing this kinda stuff...its pure bank when it happens. If it bleeds it leads. Yes, they are that callous.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (G0eua)

132 I am re-listening to Ofra Haza singing Kaddish instead of listening to Obama.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (oQmCC)

133 And problems like this create a ripple effect throughout the rest of society. In the last thread I was wondering why the students were evacuated with their eyes closed, because it seemed to me that was a really good way to trip and bring the entire shoulder-holding line down with them. I figured that the primary consideration should be to get the kids OUT since they'll all doubtless be in therapy anyway to deal with the horrific trauma.

So now we're in this place where we have to figure out the best way of how to get little kids out of a school being terrorized. Do you put them in a line? That keeps things orderly and make sure everyone's accounted for, but doesn't that just make everybody a target? What about the kids at the end of the line? Do you shut down everything around the school? Where to keep the parents whose children aren't accounted for? Could you have even contemplated anything like this when we were kids?

What a broken world we live in.

Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (4DXae)

134 Yeah, reference to Scripture, proves his insincerity

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (0PiQ4)

135 Agree on the fake tears.

Posted by: RWC at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (fWAjv)

136 A God who cries?

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (NIZHJ)

137 Why is Wolf Blitzer on my tv?

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (0PiQ4)

138 I I I I I Me Me Me Me. Please report that I was visibly shaken. Scripture, not Holy Scripture. Only the Koran is holy

Posted by: Barky McFucknut at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (BVkEs)

139 Nihilism.

It fills the souls of those who have made room for no other creed.

Just my $.02

Posted by: navybrat at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (Ty7ja)

140 130
Well that was pointless

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:20 PM (79ueO)


No for him. Did you hear what he said? "We will do something to correct this, regardless of the politics." .....or something to that effect.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (X6akg)

141 >>>A culture that devalues life, personal responsibility, faith, and truth experiences moments like this. Evil exists and it will exploit every gap and crack resulting from the results of the previous sentence. Let me very clear aboutit: Government and politicians cannot solve our cultural decline--they can only accelerate it.

Let's also be clear that we had Satanic psychopaths before any of the culture disputes we're currently having, when the nation was almost entirely Christian (and self-pronouncedly Christian):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._H._Holmes

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (LCRYB)

142 Great posts today Ace. I am stunned, just stunned by the news, just in total shock, like everyone else. Cannot wrap my mind around it yet.

You have a good point when you mention the "Pink Floyd song that mentions a sentence of being exposed before your peers." What society thinks, not family, not god, now trumps all, for a growing number of people. The lady who killed herself from the Kate Middleton prank obviously thought having to live with public embarrassment and ridicule was a fate worse than death. Young people behaving like cast members of jersey shore or kardashians because society rewards their behavior with money and fame. Our society is currently sick, and giving evil people willing to murder innocents the public exposure their egoes crave only adds fuel to the fire. Shaming this man, not painting him as a scary villain, hopefully might make other people feeling powerless not go this route for the validation they crave.

Posted by: LizLem at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (8wqqE)

143 Someone said we need mental detectors in schools, not metal detectors.

Posted by: cicerokid at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (Yf4MJ)

144 Have the called the fucks Teapartiers yet?

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (OlN4e)

145 ace, wheatie, and others, thanks for sharing your thoughts on my question.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (6zgse)

146 "I understand that your moral world is based in morality, but what I
don't get is that you think morality is the answer for a cat like this."

===============

I don't mean to suggest that. I have no idea what the answer is.

Posted by: Kensington at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (H84UO)

147 Oh....and I hate Pink Floyd.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (UK9cE)

148 As far as media content goes. I've noticed a theme of the demonization of masculinity. Call it the war on men. To avoid casting a masculine man as confident, virtuous, capable, faithful, and honorable, and instead use masculinity as an enemy. Which is why I think the Avengers series was so welcomed. It used to be that the hero is what we all aspired to be.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (0q2P7)

149 I want to know why the president needs to comment on this

Pathological narcissism/can't stand cameras on someone else, drum up support for his unilateral disarmament of the populace, pretending to care -> support for repeal the 22nd Amendment, attack his usual scapegoats, something something about Obamacare...

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (/kI1Q)

150 90Attention based society has problems, everyone wants to be noticed, it doesn't take a long time on twitter or facebook to figure this out. With hardly a moral compass or respect for liberty the results of this drive can be devastating.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 14, 2012 03:15 PM (NzBQO)


This too, has been lingering around the periphery of my thoughts today. Kind of a lame comparison, given the weight of today's massacre, but in the movie Frightners, the murders are doing just do get in the record books as having killed more than other mass murderers.

Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (+xmn4)

151 The guy who everyone thought it was is pissed off and indignant. Maybe FB should add to the terms that posting your name, address, life story, online might get you briefly taken for a mass shooter that matches your description..

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (2t6Gz)

152 62

normally i'm down with the "decline of culture thesis" but i'm wary of automatically applying it in cases like this 'til we know more. plus in a way it's a little nebulous. you had people arguing after the Jared Loughner shooting that it didn't matter what his political views were, a general environment of heated political rhetoric exacerbated whatever his problems were. maybe, maybe not, but ultimately these things are a little hard to prove.

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (60GaT)

153 No for him. Did you hear what he said? "We will do something to correct this, regardless of the politics." .....or something to that effect.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 03:21 PM (X6akg)


Yeah I heard and it was completely out of place

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (79ueO)

154
Have the called the fucks TeapartiersBAGGERS yet?

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:22 PM (OlN4e)


Get it right.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (UK9cE)

155 I call bullshit. Who the hell cares why this POS did it? No sane person can understand it.


But spot on about humiliating his memory. Let the nutjobs know they aren't going out in a blaze of glory, but smearing their useless POS selves into the mud of non-history.

Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (ZOUmX)

156 What's scary is that there's tens of thousands of these pathetic losers out there that are thinking that this is cool. This country's leftists have cultivated this mindset (yeah, Ace, I said it) for decades now. Some have grown out of it, but for some, it's a permanent feature.

OWS was one of the best examples of these people.

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (1CXqI)

157 Having seen the transition from a masculine to a feminine society, I have to note that these types of horrendous tragedies are more common where the perp is considered a child (and therefore blameless) rather than an adult.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 03:24 PM (yiIja)

158 The press won't do what you advocate, Ace. The argument inevitably leads to: The criminal must also be a victim and we all have to understand the root cause which cannot be the individual. It's society's fault and we'll have to find out how to control society so the pathological isn't vilified.

Individual responsibility? Bah. We can't have that enter our collective conscience. So the individual will not be mocked; he will be "understood".

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 14, 2012 03:24 PM (eHIJJ)

159 In Japan they have a shame culture. Doing something like this brings shame and humiliation to your loved ones. That is part of the reason whey there is less of this there.

Posted by: Hard Right at December 14, 2012 03:24 PM (uhftQ)

160 We don't know how crazy this scumbag was. Sounds like he's at the age when severe mental illness often strikes.

I do believe that, someday, we'll actually have diagnostic tests that can detect when the brain's wiring goes crazy like that.

But that won't be any time soon.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 03:24 PM (ZPrif)

161 I am introducing legislation to make the "Gun Free" signs at schools larger and adding a recorded message in both Spanish and English, plus a video signing the message and a braille imprint on the sign.


This should make it clear, we are NOT messing around.

Posted by: Injuin Blackfoot Barry, The One Who Eats Dogs at December 14, 2012 03:24 PM (wR+pz)

162 Guys, I despise zero as much as everyone else, but of course he is going to speak on such a tragedy and offer thoughts and prayers.

Just what he should be doing. Boehner ordered flags at half staff.

Being petty is revolting in these kinds of situations.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (tVTLU)

163 I've said this for years. Being described as an evil monster is what these fuckers WANT. They're delighted to be rockstars of atrocity. We should be careful to describe them as what they really are: pathetic, selfish losers.

Posted by: S. Weasel at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (CrEGa)

164 This President has a bad habit of putting himself on camera in the heat of the moment


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (8sCoq)

165 It could just be that some people have a head full of bad wiring and with 300+ million people around, you are going to get more than a couple acting on it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (QupBk)

166 In the last thread I was wondering why the students were evacuated with
their eyes closed, because it seemed to me that was a really good way to
trip and bring the entire shoulder-holding line down with them. I
figured that the primary consideration should be to get the kids OUT
since they'll all doubtless be in therapy anyway to deal with the
horrific trauma.

Filly,
I see what you are saying but in situation like this I try never to second guess. Those teachers were going with their gut in a situation that no one has ever faced before. At that moment it seemed the right thing to do.

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (hl8SI)

167 CNN saying suspects brother is dead in NJ??? No one is getting this story right....

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (bgzAd)

168 I think in this post, Ace touched upon why things like this may happen over here, but any other ideas?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:05 PM (6zgse)


I think part of it is a kind of "First World" psychosis. We live in a world of iPhones and Twitter and Facebook and email and texting. We get movies from Netflix instead of going to theater, and we watch sporting events on our big screen TVs in our own homes. When we turn on the TV we're faced with beautiful people with impossibly perfect skin and hair who live in beautiful homes despite having low-wage employment, and they all have someone in their lives they can count on: a wacky best friend, a cool neighbor, a loving parent, a supportive child.

It's very easy to feel disconnected and unwanted in that world. When you're already a weak, impotent little pansy man who could never succeed in social situations anyway, it goes from being merely depressing to malignant. "The whole world hates me, but not as much as I hate the world. I'll show 'em. I'll show 'em all. They shouldn't have underestimated me."

But they didn't underestimate him. The world at large had Impotent-little-pansy-man's number from day one and reasonably ostracized him. And with a gubmint daddy to make sure that his needs are taken care of -- food stamps, welfare, SSDI -- the need to become self-reliant and independent is negated, creating a fertile landscape for bitterness and envy to take root and thrive. "Why do I have to live in my mom's basement when THAT GUY can rent his own apartment? it's not fair. The world doesn't understand me. They all hate me. But I hate them MORE."

I think, in terms of places like your home of Nigeria, where there is still a great deal of poverty and struggle just to survive from day to day, this kind of First World ennui isn't an option.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (4df7R)

169 The "never let a crisis go to waste" prepared speech coming now ... as he rubs his eyes for effect. For now just "we're going to have to come together to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.

Real tears? Real pause? Looked just scripted to me.

So thank God, Obama will finally encourage schools to have teachers or principles have a weapon within reach, to protect kids that have been placed in these currently "gun free zones", that attract these nuts.

Oh wait, no, he will use a crisis to push for gun control/confiscation.

Posted by: Illini Bill at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (TacX2)

170 I was 15 when the guy shot all those people from the UT tower and even younger when Speck murdered all those nurses. I was totally freaked by it. However, now being a geezer, I realize evil has always been around and will always be around.

In grad school I had a lefty client blubbering about how we lived in the worse of times because of the assasinations of MLK, JFK, and Sadat.

I said what about our parents/grandparents who lived through and fought in WW2 and then the Holocaust? Nope, she would hear none of it, even though she was Jewish, too.

She only saw the world through her personal prism.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (0Ufr+)

171 what I don't get is that you think morality is the answer for a cat like this.

The only answer for a cat like this is to wield more power than he does, and let him know you do. Period. There are no other answers. No magical societal potion. No academic studies. Just more power.

If someone isn't afraid to die and wants to take people with them, there's not a whole lot we can do. The religion of peace taught me this.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (R8BMm)

172 If Ace's theory about attention and power are correct, one way to discourage this would be to film the autopsy of the shooter and publish it. There's nothing powerful about a a nude body on a table with the scalp pulled over it's face and the chest cracked open.

Posted by: Xander Crews at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (24UOj)

173 >>>Let's also be clear that we had Satanic psychopaths before any of the
culture disputes we're currently having, when the nation was almost
entirely Christian (and self-pronouncedly Christian):



Ah yes, the days when you could let your kids walk 5 miles to the fishing hole by themselves and not worry about them.

Evil is always there. It didn't used to have as many places to fester in our society.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (0q2P7)

174
Wait, what?

Obama said he was going to correct evil?

This is the scariest part of how leftist/liberals think -- they believe that human nature can be changed. Thomas Sowell explains it in Conflict of Visions and compares the unconstrained schoold of thought to the constrained.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (G/zuv)

175 Guys, I despise zero as much as everyone else, but of course he is going
to speak on such a tragedy and offer thoughts and prayers.


Did Reagan press-whore hours after the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (/kI1Q)

176 The press won't do what Ace suggests because the argument is that it's unfair to stigmatize all the other broke-dick, porn-addicted, no-girl, no-job, no-friends, psychopath losers out there who haven't hurt anybody.

Whenever a paranoid schizo goes violent the Left always wants to make sure we don't stigmatize all the paranoid schizos who haven't hurt anybody yet.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (ZPrif)

177 164
This President has a bad habit of putting himself on camera in the heat of the moment




Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (8sCoq)

And we are here to help.

Posted by: MSM Spin doctors at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (wR+pz)

178 I know this is a very sad day but Obama speaking before the ConnecticutGovernorreally rubs me the wrong way. Anyone else?

Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (cdYUQ)

179 These are sad enough without having that shitstain smearing himself all over this story.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (aZ6ew)

180 putting himself on camera in the heat of the moment

Around these parts, we call that an "attention whore".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:27 PM (R8BMm)

181 Oh well, how long before TSA gropers are hired to check in everyone entering a school building?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (wwsoB)

182 Bane, The Joker and on and on. I blame hollywood.
As for the shooters, post photos of their dicks, with a ruler for reference.

Posted by: Javems at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (nTgAI)

183 CNN saying suspects brother is dead in NJ??? No one is getting this story right....
Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (bgzAd)

Yeah. But either way, this sick fuck is leaving dead bodies everywhere he went.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (79ueO)

184 agree with Prescient

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (60GaT)

185 I am not a psychologist but if I had to guess, I'd guess they tend to be middle class because it's only the middle class that feels class nervousness and the bleak horror of complete failure.

I can personally attest that this is truth. I've stared into that abyss myself.
When you're middle class people expect something from you.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (fsLdt)

186 "I see what you are saying but in situation like this I try never to
second guess. Those teachers were going with their gut in a situation
that no one has ever faced before. At that moment it seemed the right
thing to do."

Oh I absolutely agree that we shouldn't second guess and they doubtless did the best they could under unspeakable circumstances. I just meant that it's horrible that we even have to anticipate something like this now and have protocol in place for it.

Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (4DXae)

187 Being petty is revolting in these kinds of situations.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 03:25 PM (tVTLU)

Did Obama cry over the F'n'F victims?
He's very selective.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (AWmfW)

188 Did Obama show this much concern for the Ft. Hood victims? Here it is years later and we are still waiting for the asshole to be executed. Same with that guy who fragged people in Iraq. He was a muslim, too.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (0Ufr+)

189 75 Ace,

There's something to that I'd wager.

I reminded myself and my friends that no matter how hard they try to live up to the TV it is make believe.

We're all fairly successful and that should be and is getting to be more for myself anyway 'enough."

Confessions of a dangerous mind is a good movie and in a way is about the wreck we're becoming...

"My name is Chuck Barris, I am the monster responsible for the Gong Show and the New Newlywed Game oh and I murdered 37 people."

Gonna rewatch it.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LRFds)

190 Just imagine if two stay at home moms whose kids attend that school were at that school armed?


Posted by: Holger (D) at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (MHk3m)

191 It is long past the time when we should have armed teachers in every school in the nation.

We should have a national program for the training of teachers in the defense of their pupils and colleagues.

That's what any extra money for education should go toward.

Remember, it is only by chance that the police ever stop these crimes. They are, by definition, reactive, not proactive. An armed teacher can end it with a few rounds. A policeman will arrive too late to do anything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (GsoHv)

192 183 Correct... He seems to have started this yesterday...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (bgzAd)

193 There are no easy answers. We live in a fallen world so from time to time we deal with things like this. Genocide happens at various times in various places, as does other evil.

My prayers for the families and people that have been affected by this.

It would be nice if CT had the death penalty for the other murderer/accessory/whatever, but that's doubtful since it's a blue state.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (6zgse)

194 Ed Gein, the serial killer who was the model for most of the movie psychopaths you know (Hannibal, Leatherface, Norman Bates) was murdering in the gentler world of the 30s, 40s, and 50s.

I think you have to realize that these people are not simply further down the same line on the graph as we are. There is not a continuity, here, wherein your morality shades down into my atheistic ethics which shades down into Satanic Psychopathy.

In line-graph terms, they're on a different line entirely. It's discontinuous. They can't be thought of us "Mostly like us but with a few less positive inputs and a few more bad ones." They're on a different line. At some point they jumped tracks from the normal plotline of sanity/morality on to the deviant one.

They're just morally and psychologically deranged, more deranged than the guys who get off on shit or watching women crush live mice under their boots.

I just don't think you can apply the same toolbox to them that you'd apply to normal people. They're not normal. "Morality" is so distant from them it's like trying to communicate with a turtle.


Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)

195 We are going to have to come together "regardless of politics"

Code for you will do what I say.

Never miss a chance to get a dig in. He can not help his asshole self.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (wR+pz)

196 This is the scariest part of how leftist/liberals think -- they believe that human nature can be changed.

NO they don't. Maybe your average lefty dope, but not the ones in power. They merely don't want to let any crisis "go to waste". They don't want to make the world better, they just want to make it theirs.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (R8BMm)

197 Glad to see the media immediately went to facebook and put up some innocent guy's picture. He should sue every one of those fuckers for defamation.

We haven't done this enough times to know how to behave yet?

Posted by: Aaron at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (Tlix5)

198 Zero intends to use this as a prod to push his gun control issue. Plain as that, and he just told you.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (OlN4e)

199 I am not trying to say my country is superior in any way. I was trying
to get at what people thought was behind this particular type of crime.
It was an honest question.


Understood. My point is that senseless slaughter of innocents is not unique to the US and it's not unique to our modern culture. It has happened throughout history. People are sometimes bent. They can snap and carry out something like this or they can kill methodically over a long period of time. We always want to craft some kind of narrative to neatly explain why it happens or blame it on something or someone we don't like. Or we invent tidy little solutions like publicly shaming the killer after he's dead as a deterrent to future maniacs. It won't work, but it sometimes makes people feel good that they're doing something.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (+lsX1)

200 How many members of his family did this lunatic kill?

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (4cRnj)

201 Somewhat related to Ace's post, I have been a fan of public shame for actions which should not be criminalized. If you use "hate speech", whatever that is... you should be mocked and shunned, not imprisoned.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (C2//T)

202 I call bullshit. Who the hell cares why this POS did it? No sane person can understand it.



Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:23 PM (ZOUmX)


I say we need to understand it. Analyze it to DEATH. Go into every corner of this fuck's life. Read his words. See what he read, watched and listened to over the last 20 years. KNOW HIM WELL. That's the only way you'll be able to detect it beforehand going forward.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (UK9cE)

203 And toss Ace a few bucks.

Just this post is worth more than your cable bill and newspaper subscription.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (GsoHv)

204 188 Walkers,

He is a weapons grade douchnozzle....and the kids thing sells.

Nobody gives a shit about FF and Ft Hood but us bud.

We're the 'other' Barky hates so bad.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:30 PM (LRFds)

205 I cried for the Ft. Hood victims in private.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 14, 2012 03:30 PM (/YJYi)

206 Gunman's girlfriend and friend missing?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:30 PM (79ueO)

207 Yeah...there is some serious reporting malpractice going on today.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 03:30 PM (fsLdt)

208
Hasan Akbar: http://goo.gl/SeV06

His mommy says he's a good boy and we are all white debils.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (0Ufr+)

209 196 TMI,

Yup....and they have a LOT of people who are their clients who convince themselves they are in bed with angels.

The country needs a divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (LRFds)

210 Did Obama cry over the F'n'F victims?
He's very selective.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (AWmfW)


Brian Terry? A bump in the road. Ambassador Stevens? Unfortunate.

A chance to make a tragedy political and further defame The Constitution? A river of tears, baby.......

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (UK9cE)

211 Guys, I despise zero as much as everyone else, but of course he is going to speak on such a tragedy and offer thoughts and prayers.

I said in the previous thread, a simple written statement of condolence would be fine.

Getting up on his podium in front of the nation via televised broadcast is unnecessary, distracting, and in very poor taste. The facts of the case haven't even begun to solidify, yet he feels he can make some kind of statement? He clearly didn't learn from his "police acted stupidly" comment four years ago.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (4df7R)

212 All the reporting on this is shit. There is no restraint being exercised in what is being put out there. Even Fox sucks.

Posted by: L, elle at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (0PiQ4)

213 Shouldn't the Connecticut governor have spoken first, not the President? Seems odd.

Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (cdYUQ)

214 Did he fail to kill any relatives today?

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:31 PM (NIZHJ)

215 The Trial,not waiting for the worms

Posted by: Burt at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (XT9ok)

216 Now Fox is repeating the President's statement.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (oQmCC)

217 Here's a novel idea, pass laws against murdering people!

Oh, wait ...

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (wwsoB)

218 Yep, he's coming after the guns, Time to gird our loins for the big battle.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (3Y7RV)

219 Did anybody just see Obama wipe away fake tears? Omg, he paused as to catch himself from not crying? What a total fraud!! Was that scripted into his speech on the shootings?

Posted by: Douglass at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (Vi1ue)

220 People like this shooter don't like the slice of reality that they think they've been short changed with so they try to force feed it on everyone around them in as shocking a manner as they can concoct.

I don't know if that's mental illness or pure evil, but it needs to be put down as quickly as it's identified because it's not fixable.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (aZ6ew)

221 @213

Odd, WTF?


NO ONE goes before THE ONE!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:32 PM (wR+pz)

222 NY Post saying his name is ADAM Lanza...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (bgzAd)

223 He could also be genuinely mentally ill (e.g. schizophrenia). While I agree in the main with the boss's post, you need to leave the door open to that possibility until the dust settles.

Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (ZSnCv)

224 I just don't think you can apply the same toolbox to
them that you'd apply to normal people. They're not normal.
"Morality" is so distant from them it's like trying to communicate with a
turtle.







Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)


But, turtles can be trained.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (UK9cE)

225 Remember... if we talk about Bambi's speech, we are politicizing this. That's the rules.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (R8BMm)

226 I may be going out on a limb here, but I think we are going to see that clip of Obama speaking on the shooting played on a constant loop by the MSM indefinitely

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (8sCoq)

227 Teleprompter.....pause wipe tear .......continue.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:33 PM (NIZHJ)

228 FNC REPORTING THE SHOOTER IS RYAN LANZA'S BROTHER

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (8sCoq)

229 207
Yeah...there is some serious reporting malpractice going on today.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 03:30 PM

Yeah some NY Times blogger speculating on how disturbing and revealing that the falsely accused Ryan twits were. It really was nothing. He made some crack about the world ending in 2 weeks and he played Grand Theft Auto and Mass Effect.

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (hl8SI)

230 Now Adam Lanza is the shooter?

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (NIZHJ)

231 194 Ace,

Correct.

In my anger earlier I posted about vigilantism and reciprocity against the shooter's families if need be.

The problem is he killed them all himself.

The kids that may need "exposed to the elements" as Livia opined on in I, Claudius live and many innocent kids who may not have been postal in waiting die.

The whole mess, the whole monstrosity goes back to the devaluation of life at all levels in our society to the point where the nuts who can do this no longer stand out as badly as they once did.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (LRFds)

232 Now they are saying Adam Lanza is the killer and his brother Ryan Lanza is in cusotdy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (79ueO)

233 Ryan Lanza is the guy's brother according to the NY Post...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (bgzAd)

234
If zero decided he can come after the guns, today will be another Ft. Sumter.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (OlN4e)

235 CNN and Fox are showing pictures of the WRONG GUY.

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (Z/+Lm)

236 Douglass: "Did anybody just see Obama wipe away fake tears? Omg, he paused as to catch himself from not crying?"

I taught him that.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (eHIJJ)

237 Ace has it right. The truly deranged think of all the other people as props in their life. If the props do not act like the way they expect well they must fix those props. These folks are not on the same line of sanity as the rest of us.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (oQmCC)

238 ADAM LANZA


GUNS WERE MOTHER'S PROPERTY

VIA FNC

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (8sCoq)

239 I think the press appearance was timed to display the tears.
Get them ready, get them on tape, lay the groundwork for the national gun contol legislation. Short remarks, no teleprompter, no eye contact.

Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (9zugO)

240 Ryan Lanza is being questioned but is not a suspect according to NY Post...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (bgzAd)

241 FNC REPORTING THE SHOOTER IS RYAN LANZA'S BROTHER
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM (8sCoq)

It's gonna take some time to figure all of this out. Everyone wants to be first.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (3Y7RV)

242 Citizen Kane is still on! Will be for hours more.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (wR+pz)

243 This President has a bad habit of putting himself on camera in the heat of the moment

Well obviously, the President acted stupidly.

Posted by: Jay Carney at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (3SvjA)

244 WHAT ELSE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IS WRONG

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (8sCoq)

245 My good friend shot his in-laws, then his wife (also a good friend), then himself last year. Wrote a five-page note on facebook, clicked send at 4:30 AM, then started shooting.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (WWuYG)

246 Ace- I have been saying roughly the same thing for years. These guys shouldn't be portrayed as evil and the word monster gives the copycats wood.

Evil yes but mostly they are Cowardly Losers. Look at the act; a grown man in the prime of life needed guns to murder women and 5 yr olds. What a pussy. What a coward. He must have been afraid he'd be rushed by the children.

They should make his grave an outhouse.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (WVMUQ)

247 Talk about Media malpractice! Is the killer 20 or 24? Is it Ryan or Adam Lanza?

Posted by: bugle boy at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (cdYUQ)

248 It is long past the time when we should have armed teachers in every school in the nation.

This story hit close to home, real close. I'd rather not give the particulars. But I don't want teachers to have guns. I want one bad-ass with weapons training carrying during school hours. Probably former military. So fucking intimidating that you don't dare even crack a smile in his presence. Someone that this pussy would have turned and run from.

People are getting out of the services and not able to find jobs. I got a job for them.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (feFL6)

249 Excellent analysis Ace.

The way I see it this is the result of Evil preying on those who are, in short, losers. Those losers who are spiritually weak enough to succomb to the call of Evil will do unspeakable things.

This problem is spiritual as much as it is emotional/psychological/physical and simple laws will not protect us.

For me, the only effective defense from these losers is to keep my M1911 in one hand and my Rosary in the other.

Which is why TFG wants to take them both away.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (paPv4)

250 WHAT ELSE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IS WRONG
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (8sCoq)


I'm thinkin the number of dead.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (3Y7RV)

251 Did anybody just see Obama wipe away fake tears? Omg, he paused as to catch himself from not crying? What a total fraud!! Was that scripted into his speech on the shootings? /i]

He better be careful. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY likes that kind of shit.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (fsLdt)

252 chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:17 PM (6zgse)

I am remembering an article - no citation, I can't remember the source - about some African visitors to the US who asked about "the homeless". When asked why they asked, they replied ... (paraphrasing) "Well back in Africa, if I were homeless, my friends would help me build something ..."

People who build their own homes in America - i.e. bush style - will have them ripped down by state / city authorities unless they are way out of sight in the woods somewhere.

So America - or many other places in "the First World" have an incredible build in bias of learned helplessness, because everything must be down in a 1st world fashion, whether you can handle it or not ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (gh+mp)

253 WHAT ELSE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD IS WRONG
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:35 PM (8sCoq)


Probably a great deal. That's why the 48Hour rule always applies in heated situations like this. Question everything you hear during that period of time.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (4df7R)

254 Obama gave guns to Mexican drug cartels , he gave and gives weapons to Islamic gangs in Libya and Syria.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (AWmfW)

255 "If I were the media, I'd allow myself to get very personal in publishing accounts of these guys. Personal, and nasty."
--
Are they Republicans? Can they be cast as such? If so, I'm listening...

Posted by: MSM at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (SO1aA)

256 My point is that senseless slaughter of innocents is not unique to the US and it's not unique to our modern culture.

Anthropologically speaking its kinda been a constant for hundreds of thousands of years. In the arc of human history context, WE are the outlier data point.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (G0eua)

257 I say we need to understand it. Analyze it to DEATH.
Go into every corner of this fuck's life. Read his words. See what he
read, watched and listened to over the last 20 years. KNOW HIM WELL.
That's the only way you'll be able to detect it beforehand going
forward.


Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (UK9cE)

You can't. Every lunatic has his own vector. That's why we call them nuts. They don't adhere to the pattern, whatever you might think that is. Evil is evil, period.

Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (ZOUmX)

258 Maybe it's time to bring back the concept of "shame."

Libs have for years insisted that shame is a bad thing, so now we have millions of people who think nothing of lying, cheating, stealing, killing, etc., because . . . why not? There is no downside. In the unlikely event you get caught and prosecuted, you'll get a slap on the wrist and will be sent for some type of counseling. Plus, if you happen to be a minority, you'll be celebrated as a "victim" of an unjust and racist system. The incentives are all on the side of doing wrong.

Posted by: Observer at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (/sohm)

259 Obama voted more than once in the Illinois state legislature to allow babies to be shelved if they survived an abortion. They dehydrate and die.
What is the difference between that an a 5 year old to Obama? Do you become a person when you can walk? Talk?

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (G+Wff)

260 I think the narcissism angle is difficult to understate.

We have a couple generations of kids who've been raised to believe that they're special, complete with middle class parents who believe that their little precious can do no wrong and is destined for Very Big Things.

There are no longer troublemakers, only Special Needs victims of ADHD, some other pseudo-medical condition, bullying, discrimination, intolerance, or some other outside influence. Not their fault.

There is no losing team- everybody gets a trophy because they're all winners.

Then, they discover the hard way that they're not that special and there are losers, because they are one. But it can't be their fault. Society, parents- someone else is to blame. Not them. Can't be because they're perfect and special.

Their failures aren't their own. The world conspired against them. They're the victim of unfairness. So who do they take revenge upon?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (SY2Kh)

261 I put turtles above kos kids, the have a better sense of the lobby term realities.

Posted by: Jean at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (/FT0A)

262 228
FNC REPORTING THE SHOOTER IS RYAN LANZA'S BROTHER


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:34 PM

The MBM has been reporting everything except what's accurate

About all we know is that someone shot and murdered people including school children in Newtown CT

Everything else is just wild speculation disguised as "BREAKING NEWS !!!!11!! "

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (wwsoB)

263 There is no such thing as personal responsibility.

Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (/YJYi)

264 People are making all these fake Ryan Lanza FB pages. The earlier one has been taken down.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (0Ufr+)

265 Excellent post, Ace.

Posted by: BrotherJ at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (xJDlm)

266 What the fuck????? Now reports coming in that entire Lanza family is dead, shooter may NOT be Ryan Lanza but may have stolen his ID!!

This thing gets crazier by the minute.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (aBlZ1)

267 Didn't/won't watch the SCOAMF. Did he mention this as another example of why the rich need to pay their fair share?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (nZvGM)

268 Fuck off, "John." You're a useless troll who doesn't understand a damn thing about the world.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (4df7R)

269 One of the lessons here....men, learn to satisfy a woman.

Posted by: mare at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (A98Xu)

270

"Lanza's mother, a teacher at the school,"
Bob Costas expresses concern about culture of education.

Posted by: Gerry at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (DJIo7)

271 248 Yawn,

You'll have to show me where I can get an Assault Weapon easier than mental helath help.

Now "assault weapon" has a meaning I was taught in the army fucker.

No "evil scary black gun"

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (LRFds)

272 "Should we now be enacting laws so that small children can conceal and carry to elementary school."

David Frum is that you

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (60GaT)

273 You can't. Every lunatic has his own vector. That's why we call them nuts. They don't adhere to the pattern, whatever you might think that is. Evil is evil, period.
Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:37 PM (ZOUmX)

Yep, evil wants what it wants, it can't be reasoned with or bargained with. That's why it's the scariest thing on earth.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (3Y7RV)

274 I know Devil in the White City has been discussed in the book thread, but for those who haven't heard of him,H.H. Holmes was a Lecter/Bates/Gein type back in the late Nineteenth century. Basically harvested young women and children and killed themusing various psycho methods, often lived with them as family for a while.and later sold their skeletons to colleges, med schools, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (tkoGU)

275 Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (BvuR1)


Tell you what, let's make it illegal to have a gun at the school.

Huh, that didn't seem to help. Maybe we should putlaw murder?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (IyKYr)

276 He better be careful. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY likes that kind of shit

>>>>>

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at the Ron Brown funeral at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (YmPwQ)

277 Chique, CT dropped the death penalty earlier this year.

Posted by: Knemon at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (nl1/0)

278 My wife knows a Ryan Lanza who works for one of the Big 4 accounting firms in Manhattan... She is convinced it is his family...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (bgzAd)

279
so early reports about a dead shooter were false?


Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (G/zuv)

280 Ryan? Adam?

Pretty soon I'm gonna have helicopters over head and flashing lights through my windows...

This is ridiculous.

Posted by: Mario Lanza at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (2oHJ2)

281 It would be nice if CT had the death penalty for the other
murderer/accessory/whatever, but that's doubtful since it's a blue
state.


Death penalty was recently overturned in CT, but anyone who was sentenced to death still has that sentence.

Well, until the lawyers get done arguing that it's not fair....

At least this dirtbag saved us the cost of a trial..

Posted by: wiserbud at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (gCa4h)

282 News isn't news anymore. It's entertainment. They HAVE to get out there and glorify the piss out of everything to make you WATCH!!!!!

Everyone LOVES a train wreck, therefore we need to make it the biggest and baddest train wreck in history.

We'll apologize later if we didn't get it right.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:39 PM (UK9cE)

283 Someone really hated the Lanza family...

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (wsGWu)

284 Jeez. Ryan Lanza is watching his whole world burn down. I can't imagine how he feels right now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (GBXon)

285 By the way; the Columbine perps confirm your speculations. Wish I remember the book but there was a good one that debunked many of the myths involved (bullied and such). They were maladjusted malcontents who got off on the idea that they would be celebs because of the evil of their acts. While at least one was bright, he was a loafer and the other was a betta male and follower of the first.

Their graves should be outhouses too.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (WVMUQ)

286 If true that it was his brother, I feel sorry for Ryan. Not only has he lost both his parents, but he has the shame of being the brother of a mass murderer.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (0Ufr+)

287 Sorry.....I'm in the barrel.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (fsLdt)

288
194...I just don't think you can apply the same toolbox to them that you'd apply to normal people. They're not normal. "Morality" is so distant from them it's like trying to communicate with a turtle.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)

--------

Exactly so, Ace.

But we've seen Morality held up as something to be ridiculed.
Immorality is now held up as 'normal'.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this shooter was involved in the OWS protests.

'Envy' used to be considered a sin.
Now it is dished out on a daily basis from our POTUS.
Voting is declared an act of 'revenge'...against those horrible people who are happier than you are, or have more than you do.

This shooter killed his family...and then went on to kill the children who had been taught by his mother (?)...as a further act of 'revenge' for his own unhappiness.
He obviously felt entitled to exact this revenge for his lack of happiness.

Btw...Great work lately, Ace.
Thanks.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (K4wCe)

289 What was his motive?!?!?!

Don't say he's just crazy. This guy had a plan from the beginning. What the hell set him off?

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (GQ8sn)

290 America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.

Pity our children.
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (BvuR1)


So, um, John, i take it you're going to lead the charge to repeal "Clear and Present Danger to Themselves" as a standard for involuntary mental incarceration?

Good Luck with That...

Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (gh+mp)

291 sad to say, but true


'when seconds count, the police are minutes away'

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (8sCoq)

292 Why do you gun nuts not accept basic evidence?America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.Pity our children.
Posted by: John

Well then we better ban airplanes. They were used as human guided bombs on 9/11 and more than 3,000 died.

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G+Wff)

293 And yes, crazy is crazy is crazy is crazy.

Someone smart enough or determined enough can always inflict significant pain and death. it's a fact.

I like Ace's suggestion of laughing at them, belittling them, and then moving on after a summary execution once found guilty.

Why oh why does it take so long to end these people. Just like pedophiles, they need to be eliminated.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (tVTLU)

294 Maybe it's time to bring back the concept of "shame."

Many prison inmates would not be there today had they spent a day or two in the stocks being pelted with rotten fruit as teenagers. Of this I am certain.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G0eua)

295


here we go


criminologist & behavioral analyst
casey jordan

- will continue to be called a school shooting, but that is not what it was

murderer known as: a family annihilator
(wants to destroy those they love)
- school was a theater for his massacre because it was his mothers workplace
- but, not direct connection to the school
- the rest of the killing is to get attention
- and, he wants everyone to know, if he is going to die, that everyone knows his name and how upset and how disgruntled he was

she mentions World of Worldcraft... ugh

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (LpQbZ)

296
Again, where is our Moron-On-The-Ground, lauraw?

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (0Ufr+)

297
Rusty Nail-
I am sorry for your tragedy.
No words.
No words for any of this.

Posted by: Justamom at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (t9e6Q)

298 Well then we better ban airplanes. They were used as human guided bombs on 9/11 and more than 3,000 died.

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G+Wff)


Don't forget the box cutters.

Posted by: Adam at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (/YJYi)

299 **Piffffschhhhplurch**

**(The sound of Bob Costas having a self-righteous Liberal orgasm.)

This may be the "Archduke Ferdinand" moment of the next American Civil War.

Posted by: MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (SiF4n)

300 she mentions World of Worldcraft... ugh

I thought for sure Call of Duty.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (GQ8sn)

301 It wasn't me.

Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (NIZHJ)

302 >If true that it was his brother, I feel sorry for
Ryan. Not only has he lost both his parents, but he has the shame of
being the brother of a mass murderer.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (0Ufr+)

and he was wrongly identified to the world as that mass murderer

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (8sCoq)

303 Well then we better ban airplanes. They were used as human guided bombs on 9/11 and more than 3,000 died.
Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 03:41 PM (G+Wff)


And we'd best ban matches, too. Do you know how many people have been killed by arsonists over the years?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (4df7R)

304 Now saying shooter was younger brother Adam Lanza, and guns were registered to the mother.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (aBlZ1)

305 I like that word, beach: "theater."

It's theater. It's an evil performance. He's playing to an audience.

The audience should not indulge him.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (LCRYB)

306
Ace, as to your idea of how to cover these guys....good luck with that, it ain't gonna happen.


But you know that.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (1Y+hH)

307 World of Warcraft is the current buzzword since Dungeons and Dragons does not have the same connotations as it used to have.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (oQmCC)

308 It wasn't me!

Just putting that out there to preempt the galloping rumors.

Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (eHIJJ)

309 "Death penalty was recently overturned in CT, but anyone who was sentenced to death still has that sentence."

It wasn't overturned. The legislature abolished it.

Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (Hz1zc)

310 297 Hopefully not on the ground.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:43 PM (NIZHJ)

311 and he was wrongly identified to the world as that mass murderer
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (8sCoq)

That man needs to change his name and disappear.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (3Y7RV)

312 There is no such thing as personal responsibility.


Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:38 PM (/YJYi)


In the liberal world, you're exactly fucking right. That's why we have things like THIS happening. You PREACH no personal responsibility. PAY FOR MY BIRTH CONTROL!!!! I don't WANT to be punished with a BABY!!!!!

I can go shoot a bunch of school kids and my parents because there IS NO GOD so I will NOT be PUNISHED for my actions!!!!!



Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (UK9cE)

313 My heart goes out to these Families. I can't help but think of my own Grand kids, Prayers offered up....Please don't let them make this yet another political thing....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (9+ccr)

314 245 My good friend shot his in-laws, then his wife (also a good friend), then himself last year. Wrote a five-page note on facebook, clicked send at 4:30 AM, then started shooting.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (WWuYG)


Were there any signs that he was close to snapping? I know hindsight is 20/20, but I'm just trying to understand this incomprehensible situation.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (6zgse)

315 "
she mentions World of Worldcraft... ugh"

i don't get why this is a big deal? it's not "blaming something else" to point out that certain detached people can get more detached from reality if they're obsessed in a game.

i can't tell if this is a general comment or specifically about the guy though.

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (60GaT)

316 I should probably read the comments first. Tony Danza beat me to it.

Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (eHIJJ)

317 I've long supported punitive prefrontal lobotomies in lieu of the death penalty. Make em sweep streets so we can spit on em

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (3ZtZW)

318 Yeah. Thanks, justamom. His situation was different. He had been unemployed forever, over-mortgaged to a ridiculous point, and felt the pressure of being "responsible" for everyone who lived with him (which was everyone shot and killed). The morning he shot everyone was his house's foreclosure date.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (WWuYG)

319 Remember a couple of years ago there was a guy who barged into a Christmas party and shot his family and set the house on fire? His wife divorced him but apparently she was invited to the party but he was not b/c he was such an asshole. He murdered 9 people.

http://goo.gl/QZQdl

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (0Ufr+)

320 Don't forget the box cutters.

You have to put them in your checked luggage now, with your gravy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 03:44 PM (/kI1Q)

321 290 What was his motive?!?!?!

Screw over Ryan by killing his parents and getting him blamed for the school shooting? ,Makes asmuch sense as anything else.

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (wsGWu)

322 hey beach where did you get that from? I'm going to link the comment.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (LCRYB)

323 FOR THE RECORD, I am not responsible for this crime.



Just in case the media is not done casting about for the right perpetrator

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (8sCoq)

324
Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM (BvuR1)

FUUUUUUUUCKKK YOU.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (MPjT8)

325 she mentions World of Worldcraft... ugh

I thought for sure Call of Duty.
Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (GQ8sn)



It is because she was discussing kids getting swallowed up into fantasy worlds online; shutting themselves up in their rooms, and not dealing with reality.

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (LpQbZ)

326 It wasn't overturned. The legislature abolished it.

Posted by: Jordan


Speaking of...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (TtXjG)

327 317 That's spooky.

Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (NIZHJ)

328 New York Post: Adam Lanza, 20, shot his mother dead and targeted her kindergarten class.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (aBlZ1)

329 Knew this post would here, came looking for it. I'm too liberal for this board, except (apparently) when it comes to mass murdering fuckers like the one mentioned above. All I want to know about him is that he wet the bed until age 18, had sex with barnyard animals, etc.

Is it the truth? Who cares. Shitbag put himself in the public domain.

Posted by: Tee at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (40zQF)

330 Good thoughts, Ace. There needs to be some way to report the news yet not glorify these assholes for the copycats. I keep thinking about that limpdick thatshot people at Virginia Tech -- before he did it, he emailed his video manifesto to the President of NBC News, by name. He went to the trouble of getting the correct name. These sick pusses want to be famous.

Posted by: Bud Norton at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (6cOMd)

331 >>>It wasn't me.


Posted by: Tony Danza at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (NIZHJ)

Best lay low right now, Tony. I know I'm gonna.

Posted by: Lorenzo Lamas at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (2oHJ2)

332 So this Ryan guy wasn't the killer?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (9+ccr)

333
Ok, I must say one thing.
The SCOAMTT's speech was truly what I have come to expect from him, although should shock as to it's inept, shameless wah.
I swear I think he was trying to muster up a tear and just could not.
Waiting for the executive order to take away my husband's and son's Christmas presents.

Sorry sorry sorry

Posted by: Justamom at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (t9e6Q)

334 And we'd best ban matches, too. Do you know how many people have been killed by arsonists over the years?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:42 PM (4df7R)

Still the worst mass murder in US history (9/11 was an act of war, not a crime) committed with a match and a gallon of gasoline.

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gonzalez-julio.htm

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (paPv4)

335 We need to ban cars while we're banning. Too many people die in wrecks. And ban booze too again, booze doesn't usually kill people, it just makes it too easy to get in a car and do it.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (OlN4e)

336 Maybe this isn't in fashion, but when libs threw out Christianity, they threw out any understanding of evil. The reason it away with psychology, they claim a person has no free will and is a prisoner of everyone else's treatment, etc.


Christianity knows the Devil, knows how difficult it is to combat him, but does so at all times.


St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray....

Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (ZOUmX)

337 318
I've long supported punitive prefrontal lobotomies in lieu of the death penalty.


The organ harvesting thing doesn't really bother me that much.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 03:46 PM (G0eua)

338 As for this tragedy - this is not a lunatic. Lunatics shoot famous people. This is a bitter, suicidal man so overloaded with hate he strikes out at society before he offs himself.

At least, that's my read. This guy hated his life and wanted to piss on the world before he died.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (2x+V2)

339 290
What was his motive?!?!?!

Don't say he's just crazy. This guy had a plan from the beginning. What the hell set him off?


Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:40 PM (GQ8sn)

It could be emotional revenge on his parents, that's why he killed the children his mother cared for.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (AWmfW)

340
"In Japan they have a shame culture. Doing something like this brings shame and humiliation to your loved ones. That is part of the reason whey there is less of this there. "

Yeah.

They just hack people to death with swords and pop off poison gas in the subways. Totally different.

Evil is everywhere. Shoot it in the brain when possible lest it spread.

Posted by: Jaws at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (4I3Uo)

341 So there are two Ryan Lanza's?

The one that looked liked a hipster douche - FB page is gone.

The other one just updated his profile pic so that is obviously not him.

Posted by: RWC at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (fWAjv)

342 Let's also be clear that we had Satanic psychopaths before any of the culture disputes we're currently having, when the nation was almost entirely Christian (and self-pronouncedly Christian): Ah yes, the days when you could let your kids walk 5 miles to the fishing hole by themselves and not worry about them. Evil is always there. It didn't used to have as many places to fester in our society.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 03:26 PM (0q2P7)


-----------------------------------------------------


Or when I was in the sixth grade and all of us boys brought our rifles to school so that we could have our 4H gun safety and shooting classes after school.

The teacher made us put all of the guns in the coat room at the back of the classroom.

When I hear some of you talk about that this has nothing to do about morality (right and wrong) are obviously too young to remember a different era in American history when we still had prayer and scripter read at the beginning of every school-day. When the family was the norm instead of the"quiant" situation. When abortions were almost unheard of. When pre-marital sex was openly disdained.

We're reaping the reward of a purposeful societal breakdown.

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (1CXqI)

343 You are so right Ace.
And maybe the media should take a good look at themselves for helping to create these situations.
In the chicken shit killer's head he's thinking " oh sure I'll be gone BUT they will be talking about me endlessly as that super scary guy.
Instead of, to quote you " the baby dick killer"

Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (nzlU3)

344
It is because she was discussing kids getting swallowed up into fantasy worlds online; shutting themselves up in their rooms, and not dealing with reality.
Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (LpQbZ)

Reality is hard, self isolation while being supported by others is easy. This is the damndest thing I have ever seen.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (3Y7RV)

345
It wasn't overturned. The legislature abolished it.


fuck off, douchebag.

Posted by: wiserbud at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (gCa4h)

346 State police LT asks the media to leave the families of the victims alone


good luck with that, Chief

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 03:47 PM (8sCoq)

347 That man needs to change his name and disappear.

Won't matter. He'll carry it with him. No place will be far enough. He'll be haunted to the last of his days.

It's rotten for everyone who lost someone there, but the burden he carries now...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 03:48 PM (GBXon)

348 Does the media even bother to verify a fact before they report it?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 03:48 PM (MPjT8)

349 Well said, Ace.



Go through his computer. Get his IP.



What what he doing Friday night? Looking at porn? Like a fucking loser with no girl.

What has he been doing every Friday night?



Post the most embarrassing fact about this loser's life.



Pictures that show his pale, weak, bird chest. His weak man-boy scruff of a non-beard. His already flabby, skinny-fat gut.



Post the porn he looks at. Post the most embarrassing porn he's looked at.



Post his job history.



Post his grades. Especially his failures.



Post his SAT scores -- especially if they are low. Or lower than he wishes they were.



Post pictures of his broken down, ratty-ass car.



Post emails where he whines like a bitch to a girl who dumped him.



Post anything embarrassing about his medical history. Acne, asthma, herpes.



Total character assassination for any murderers. Make it known that
we'll take the most unflattering aspects of their life and put that on a
wall. That is how they'll be remembered.


Love it. The media has no problem with publicly dismantling celebrities and politicians...

Ace said everything I've always thought about these guys, except he said it perfectly. I would have written a 4500 word post trying to express the same thoughts.

Also, fuck that 24 year old bitch. I hate the "evil nerd" type more than anything else. These are the guys that bitch about women choosing the athletic, accomplished guy over the caring nerd. They feel entitled to women, claim to be such a nice guy, and end up as hate-filled bitter losers. Once they realize that, it's time to pop some school children.

Raging right now.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 14, 2012 03:48 PM (72QgB)

350 Rusty Nail @319. How awful. I can't imagine what you and other loved ones of the family went and are still going through.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:48 PM (6zgse)

351

hey beach where did you get that from? I'm going to link the comment.
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:45 PM (LCRYB)
=========


sun news tv -- live -- in Canada
they interviewed her over the phone
she is from W. Conn State Univ.
http://drcaseyjordan.com/website/publish/home/homeList.php

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 03:48 PM (LpQbZ)

352 These nutters see themselves heroically, sort of as bigger-than-life
agents of mayhem and evil. Now that may sound like a bad thing to you,
but it doesn't sound bad to them: They've embraced it.

---

I read Explaining Hitler by Ron Rosenbaum who presented an interesting idea along these lines. He contemplates the possibility that Hitler wanted to be The Greatest Conqueror in History! but after the Battle of Stalingrad it was pretty clear that that wasn't going to work out so he went with Most Evil Mother Fucker In History! instead. Rosenbaum references Hitler's prior dream of being an artist and suggests that what Hitler was doing was becoming an artist of evil. So the Holocaust was performance art. I've never been able to look at Hitler quite the same since I read that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 14, 2012 03:49 PM (Hx5uv)

353 Everyone with a last name that ends in a vowel should lay low.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:49 PM (NIZHJ)

354 The media made a decision several years ago not to show streakers (etc) at sports events. This apparently HAS cut down on the number of such disturbances.

But .... the same NBC that won't show a streaker at a baseball game was happy to comply with Cho's plan for fame after the Va Tech massacre. Remember?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 14, 2012 03:49 PM (C8mVl)

355 Maybe it's time to bring back the concept of "shame."

This is something I've been preaching for years.

Those little children who run up and down the aisle at the movie theater? Or who kick your seat on the airplane? Or the person on the subway who talks very loudly into their cellphone about the anal sex they had the night before? They were never taught shame.

Shame is only negative when misplaced and when taken to extremes (see treatment of women in the middle east). When used as it's MEANT to be used, shame is a key component of behavior building. It's not supposed to destroy a person's sense of self; it's supposed to make a person understand that they are not the only person int eh world. It's supposed to remind people that they should respect those around them. It's supposed to build harmonious social bonds.

And let me say, there's a difference between "shame" and "humiliation." Shame is meant to be a check on behavior, and is something internalized by the individual. Humiliation is punative and is used by sick fucks to get a cheap thrill at the expense of someone else's humanity.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)

356
America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.

Lulz.

Do you people have a manual you read from?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (G/zuv)

357 349 Does the media even bother to verify a fact before they report it?

Don't worry, Politifact has them covered, as lons as they're not on Fox.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (hNXHo)

358 #334 justamom

That's exactly the impression I got. You are right---no need for legislation when an executive order is handy.

Posted by: farmersusie at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (9zugO)

359 Wow WalrusRex, Adolf as an edgy artist of evil... my brain just cramped.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (oQmCC)

360 Hannibal Lecter, Ledger's Joker, Scarface and almost all the Gangsta Rap Culture show the allure and profitability of evil.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (dvRYt)

361 John does it hurt being suck a stupid fuck? It ought to.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (OlN4e)

362 #351 chique d'afrique

Thanks. They were my friends but I hadn't spoken to them in a number of years (they were closer to my ex-wife). Still, it was tragic and simply baffling. I asked people closer to them if there had been signs for a while but everyone said no. It came completely out of the blue.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (WWuYG)

363 Let's also remember that Timothy McVeigh killed 19 children, some of them babies, wirh a truck full of fertiziler and some diesel fuel. Funny how nobody blamed the weapons for that or sought to ban them. And nobody really tried to get to the bottom of why McVeigh did it before he was executed.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (aBlZ1)

364

A key word is "theater" -- the psychopath chooses this sort of
senseless, large-scale murder for the theatrical element. Obviously
there is no "motive" as it is usually understood -- murdering a bunch of
kids does not advance his cause (the way murdering a man for his car
would get you, temporarily, a car).

He wants to be discussed; he's giving a performance; he wants to move the audience.


---


Yeah, that fits in with Rosenbaum's Explaining Hitler.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (Hx5uv)

365 Soona:

Absolutely. These people are hysterical. If anything, armed school staff could help defend against such an attack.

Remember that school shooting in MS, it was stopped when the principal went outside to grab his .45 from his vehicle.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (tVTLU)

366 357 John

"This" is still here?

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (hNXHo)

367 Merry Christmas little children.

signed the NRA


Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (BvuR1)


You're just a dick. That's all there is to it.

I guess no one dies of gunshot wounds in the UK, then, huh.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (UK9cE)

368
Time to get back under the stairs, now, Posted by: John (BvuR1) .

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (G/zuv)

369 It's time for a ban.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (GQ8sn)

370 BvuR1

curious is this is a familiar ID under diff. names

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (60GaT)

371 This is how the left in Britain got their gun ban.
This is how the left in Australia got their gun ban.
This is how the left in California got their gun ban.
School shootings.

Posted by: Max Entropy at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (Z/+Lm)

372 IIRC - family annihilator is the term for people who kill their entire family and walk away to a new identity. They usually(?) don't kill themselves.

Sometimes the new identity is already waiting for them - e.g. they're going to marry a person they have been corresponding with who thinks they are single ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (gh+mp)

373 There was a time decades ago when having a monster like this guy, or any of the other mass murderers we've seen, in one's family would be a source of shame. The family would disown him, revile him, refuse to acknowledge him. Outsiders would view the family with suspicion thereafter.

Lately the family is an object of pity and attention. Lately it seems cruel to ostracize or look askance at the family.

Who knows someone better than one's own clan?

Just observing the differences between times when shame mattered and when it didn't.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (Lxw+T)

374 Banhammer on BvuR1. Sick fuck.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (4df7R)

375 Well I think we found someone here to shame, a John.

What kind of sick little puppy you must be that you think the greatest thing you can do is preen and shove your noxious notions down everyone's throat. You are a small disk pathetic excuse for protoplasm.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (oQmCC)

376 That was a good and thoughtful piece of writing.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (I30qo)

377
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)



The worst slur you can hurl at a Filipino is to pronounce them 'wala hiya', 'without shame'.

Posted by: cicerokid at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (Yf4MJ)

378 Ace ban this john cretin... The NRA? Fuck off and die you piece of shit...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (9+ccr)

379 353 Walrus Rex,

OSS had a psychological profile along those lines.

The problem is Darth Shicklgruber had some other hardasses to compete with for "most evil artiste" that beggar the imagination.

Ivan the Terrible and his 35 foot frying pan come to mind.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:52 PM (LRFds)

380
John does it hurt being suck a stupid fuck? It ought to.Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (OlN4e)
=====================

Evidently not, because stupid fucks seem to be multiplying.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (MPjT8)

381
343...Or when I was in the sixth grade and all of us boys brought our rifles to school so that we could have our 4H gun safety and shooting classes after school.

The teacher made us put all of the guns in the coat room at the back of the classroom.

---------

Yeah, Soona...I remember seeing guns in the back of the classroom too, stored with the coats.
Boys brought them to school with them during hunting season, so they could do a little hunting on their way home.
It was no big deal.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (K4wCe)

382 Banhammer on 357 please. Uncalled for.

Posted by: tcn at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (ZOUmX)

383 Funny how nobody blamed the weapons for that or sought to ban them.>>

The type of fertilizer he used is now highly regulated and very hard to find for the non farmer.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (81UWZ)

384 365
Let's also remember that Timothy McVeigh killed 19 children, some of
them babies, wirh a truck full of fertiziler and some diesel fuel. Funny
how nobody blamed the weapons for that or sought to ban them. And
nobody really tried to get to the bottom of why McVeigh did it before he
was executed.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM

No, Clinton shamelessly blamed Rush Limbaugh and talk radio for their "inflammatory rhetoric against the government"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (wwsoB)

385 i knew it was bad that my brain immediately went to the obviously way more trivial place of politics after this but i was dreading the inevitable gun control back-and-forth, snark, self-righteousness that'd come out of this

not to mention other people with less relevant Pet Causes will probably try to connect them in some way to this too.

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (60GaT)

386 372 BvuR1

curious is this is a familiar ID under diff. names
Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 03:51 PM (60GaT)

Dickhead 'Fred'

A small little impotent coward.

Posted by: RWC at December 14, 2012 03:53 PM (fWAjv)

387 John, you should seek help from a mental health professional. I feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (3Y7RV)

388 373 Max Entropy,

and I used to say "but not here because WE ARE different we are not socialist fucknozzles like the rest of Anglia....but now...

yeah now i am deciding whether to get that upper or accept that the left gets whatever they want now forever.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (LRFds)

389 Excellent, Ace.

Expose every facet of these losers.

It's what should have been done to Klebold and Harris, but the parents were somehow able to obfuscate the facts enough that it turned them into psycho-cult killers.

Posted by: Budfox at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (9+DJg)

390

#357 ban

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (LpQbZ)

391 If the autopsy on the killer reveals that he was high as a kite while doing the killings, will the legalize drugs lefties rethink that?

Nope. "Guns are bad, drugs are good be cause I do them"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (wwsoB)

392 We should make bombs illegal. That'll save some lives, too.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (R8BMm)

393 This is our culture creating this shit.

It's vicitmhood that has been absorbed into our culture, plain and simple.

This guy was a mutt.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (RrD4h)

394
Or the person on the subway who talks very loudly into their cellphone about the anal sex they had the night before?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)



That was ... weirdly specific.

Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (+xmn4)

395 Goodbye John *FLUSH*

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:56 PM (OlN4e)

396
Fyi...

Posted by: Fred at December 08, 2012 08:32 PM (BvuR1)

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 03:56 PM (K4wCe)

397 It's difficult to get mental health care in America?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 03:56 PM (R8BMm)

398 ban the fuckstick posting at #357, we have no time to deal with disgusting pieces of shit like him

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez, Wishing Everyone Happy Holidays at December 14, 2012 03:56 PM (yAor6)

399 Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:50 PM (BvuR1)



Come on Ace or cob, fucking get rid of this garbage.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 14, 2012 03:56 PM (da5Wo)

400 Just like I don't refer to the Aurora shooter by his name (i call him Clown-Haired Lunatic), I will not refer to this "person" by "his" name either. Tiny Dick Babykiller seems to suit "him." Social Retard Eternal Fuckup, too.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:57 PM (4df7R)

401 #357... What a pile of turds. Is everyone named John a douchebag, especially their bicycle seat post polishing king, Chuckles Johnson?


Posted by: MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN at December 14, 2012 03:57 PM (SiF4n)

402 Is the lack of a creative nic a sign of mental illness, just sayin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 03:57 PM (3Y7RV)

403 "Everyone with a last name that ends in a vowel should lay low."

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 03:49 PM (NIZHJ)

I can't...I have pressing matters of state!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 14, 2012 03:57 PM (GsoHv)

404 Original post 357 has been deleted, it seems. Thank you ace/cob.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 03:57 PM (6zgse)

405
John has left the building, folks, via the plumbing.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (OlN4e)

406 It's difficult to get mental health care in America?

To be fair, it was easier before the libs decided that mental health hospitals were TEH TORTURE and turned the mentally ill into the homeless.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (B/VB5)

407 Shit is Fucked Up

Posted by: The Offspring at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (N2yhW)

408 Apparently, the new gun grabber angle is "relative lethality."

They've been trying this for a while, but I've seen a huge press on this today. It's still stupid, but more difficult to counter.

Posted by: grognard at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (NS2Mo)

409 Actually, "John" is exactly the type of attention seeking ,interweb site stalker that would readily apply his worthless existence to do a mass shooting murder.

Posted by: LeBron Steinman at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (jfWE9)

410 I think Ace needs to shame John. Capture every one of his Il Douche! posts, put them up as a new post. And ridicule his pathetic miserable existence. Fling the rotten tomatoes at John.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (oQmCC)

411 >>>Why do you gun nuts not accept basic evidence?

A more basic premise is underlying. A person who cannot responsibly own a gun is also incapable of responsibly voting in a representative government for the former requires less knowledge and virtue to accomplish safely. If you are willing to accede that the American people need to be ruled because they are unable to responsibly participate in self government. I will accede that they should not be armed.

How's that for an answer?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (0q2P7)

412 That was ... weirdly specific.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (+xmn4)


Anecdotal evidence from a friend of mine after a trip to NYC.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (4df7R)

413 America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.



Pity our children.

Posted by: John at December 14, 2012 03:36 PM


Go apply for "military grade assault weapon" then get back to us.

You might have a point about getting mental health care since you need it so urgently

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (wwsoB)

414 Yes @ above post that I'm too lazy to refind and quote.

Don't put your life story online and the odds of being mistaken for a mass shooter by the same name and town(s) go down 99.9999%.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (2t6Gz)

415 Original sin ace doesn't believe in it and neither do an increasing number of Americans so they have to reach to psycology for answers. Evil isn't seductive when it flows from sin.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 03:59 PM (HeCg1)

416 Peter Lanza, father of shooter, confirmed dead.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 03:59 PM (aBlZ1)

417 are you saying Sin isn't seductive? That people don't fetishize sin as hot and sexy? Of course they do.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (LCRYB)

418 I think Ace needs to shame John. Capture every one of his Il Douche! posts, put them up as a new post. And ridicule his pathetic miserable existence. Fling the rotten tomatoes at John.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (oQmCC)


I am behind this 100%. Turn the fire hoses on the psychopath-sympathizing doucheturd, full power.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (4df7R)

419
is gluttony hot?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (G/zuv)

420 So....somebody help me out here....now the story is this kid killed his family and then went to the school where his mother worked for the big theatrical finale?

Am I caught up?

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (fsLdt)

421 To all those politicians and celebrities that are coming from under their rocks: go fuck yourselves. Talk to me when you are not surrounded by armed bodyguards

Posted by: Ma Bell at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (uVuwp)

422 Instant Twitter Classic



Michael Moore
@MMFlint

The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (8sCoq)

423 Virtually EVERY one of these mass murderers has been a malignant narcissist.

So what does the media do? Shower them with virtually unlimited attention, and indeed SYMPATHY.

Crazy doesn't mean stupid. Someone craving attention the way a junkie craves a fix, shoots a bunch of people and is REWARDED with media attention that would make the Beatles in their heyday jealous. What do they THINK the other malignantly narcissistic nihilists are going to do?

The media is literally TRAINING mass murderers as surely as Pavlov trained dogs.

It's the equivalent of using bloody fish guts as shark repellent.

Of course the media simply doesn't CARE. It's an opportunity to attack the right to keep and bear arms. But suggest that they be forbidden from fawning over the next mass murderer and they suddenly remember the Bill of Rights.

It's about MONEY, far MORE money than what the media hypocritically accuses the firearms industry of making.

Posted by: Deanimator at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (2YnwF)

424 Jphn is sleeping with the butt dumplings.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (OlN4e)

425 We have a little town called Sandy Hook in my state also.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (NIZHJ)

426 Apparently, the new gun grabber angle is "relative lethality."

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

...

No it's not. It's the stupidest thing I've heard in the last hour or so, but it's still stupid as shit John.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (4df7R)

427 391
If the autopsy on the killer reveals that he was high as a kite while
doing the killings, will the legalize drugs lefties rethink that?

Nope. "Guns are bad, drugs are good be cause I do them"


Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM

One lefty blogger was already pointing out the gaming angle based on the falsely accused shooter's facebook page. So because some guy who shares a name with the real killer we should ban games preemptively

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (hl8SI)

428 is gluttony hot?


Posted by: soothsayer
-----------------
It is definitely filling.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (oQmCC)

429 is gluttony hot?

Why is everyone suddenly looking at me?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (JACEX)

430 The backlash to the backlash has already begun. "If we don't talk about gun control NOW, then when?!" One lib just posted a fucking chart about gun crime on FB about when the proper time to talk about tragedy is.

These. People. Are. Sick.

Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (4DXae)

431 I did get rid of him.

Calm down.

Things are not instantaneous.

And I think you might be getting a little bit too demanding about your right not to be offended.

People are going to say shit you don't agree with. That's life. Yes, I'll ban trolls, but get off my nuts. He was banned *before* you ragged on me about it.


Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (LCRYB)

432
Followed a link posted on Drudge to a Beast video with John Avalon criticizing him and other conservatives. I can not stand Avalon. He's a little prick.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (0Ufr+)

433 Hey troll, it's also easier to buy coke, pot, or meth than to get mental health care.

If the sicko killer was high on any of those, will you feel any "shame" for advocating legalization of drugs?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM (wwsoB)

434 sorry, meant to add: yelling for gun control

Posted by: Ma Bell at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (uVuwp)

435 Funny how nobody blamed the weapons for that or sought to ban them.

There's significant regulation on the bulk purchase of ammonium nitrate fertilizers now. I had to fill out some govt paperwork to buy a 5gal pail of Nitro methane recently, even though the stuff is no more splody than Methanol (no paperwork necessary for that)

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (G0eua)

436 Ace,

I think you should seriously consider deputizing a significant number of commenters as post moderators. Shit like John or that other crazy fucker from last night needs to be patrolled and smacked hard. I think there's a fair number of us that would like the job.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (GQ8sn)

437 I'm surprised so many people on both sides are so eager to jump into a debate about gun control. I think a little time to mourn and reflect is called for. There's extreme bitterness on both sides, and the shock of these horrible murders is exacerbating it. Too soon for that debate.

Posted by: Jordan at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (Hz1zc)

438 I am behind this 100%. Turn the fire hoses on the psychopath-sympathizing doucheturd, full power.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (4df7R)

It's a thought, but it may just be giving an attention whore douche exactly what it wants.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (3Y7RV)

439
if by sin you mean being naughty, yes

TV shows and movies sometimes like to portray murder as something sexy or something gets people horny. I find it hard to believe that is not extremely rare.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (G/zuv)

440 422
Instant Twitter Classic



Michael Moore
@MMFlint

The
way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free
mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM

I have a brilliant idea Mike lets outlaw murder!!!!!

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (hl8SI)

441 Evil itself will always be seductive. It also usually appears with a smile... the exact opposite of how it's generally portrayed in Hollywood.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (R8BMm)

442 Relative lethality? Is that like relative pregnancy?

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (OlN4e)

443 Original sin ace doesn't believe in it and neither do an increasing
number of Americans so they have to reach to psycology for answers. Evil
isn't seductive when it flows from sin


Actually, ace has noted several times here that he is misanthropic, which is the secular version of the original-sin "people suck by nature" theme.

Nice of you to bring out your own pet theory though. You're just as bad as John.

Posted by: boulder hobo at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (QTHTd)

444
Jordan, you too, under the stairs, now.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (G/zuv)

445 Want some insight into the criminal mind? Read the book Cell 2455, Death Row.

Posted by: Country Singer at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (svK4p)

446 total irony:

Rick Leventhal doing a stand-up in front of the school, and there's a sign behind him:

Sandy Hook Elementary School
Established 1956
Visitors Welcome

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (8sCoq)

447 Banhammer on BvuR1. Sick fuck.

No. Troll bust.

He is anxious to tell us about his skid stained Hello Kitty! panties.

Posted by: fluffy at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (3SvjA)

448 412That was ... weirdly specific.
Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 03:55 PM (+xmn4)

Anecdotal evidence from a friend of mine after a trip to NYC. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 03:58 PM (4df7R)


Oh, in that case, it's lucky that's all they overheard.

Posted by: Heralder at December 14, 2012 04:03 PM (+xmn4)

449 Michael Moore is badly hurt that the Twinkie Defense is no longer a viable option for him.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (oQmCC)

450 You know, the bloodiest war we ever fought was fought with muzzle loading rifles. How does that fit with relative lethality?

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (OlN4e)

451 I am behind this 100%. Turn the fire hoses on the psychopath-sympathizing doucheturd, full power.

If and only if you get a positive ID on real name and info. Then go to town and out the bastard for the whole world to know what a sick sack of feces he is and let nature run its course.

...oh who am I fooling, they'd be lionizing him on Gawker by sundown.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (GBXon)

452 Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 04:02 PM (GQ8sn)

That sounds good on paper, but I moderated at AT and it just doesn't work as well as you would think.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (3Y7RV)

453 Actually ace, you should leave troll droppings there as evidence of what makes the other side tick

It's mobys like Kilgore who need the instant ban stick

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (wwsoB)

454 Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (MPjT8)

455 >>>Actually, ace has noted several times here that he is misanthropic, which is the secular version of the original-sin "people suck by nature" theme.


Hah, I never realized that I do believe in Original Sin, albeit by a different name and a different cosmology and so on.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:04 PM (LCRYB)

456 Yes people like you who don't believe in sin as a theological concept. Do you not understand the difference between sinning from desire as opposed to sinning in order to sin. That's an idea that only emerged in modernity with Baudelaire. Evil simply wasn't seductive as a means in itself until recently because there is nothing sexy or Scary about sin it's rather plebeian and boring really. To sin is to lose in a Christian perspective so it would make no sense for a loser to seek power in sinning in order to be evil. But yea lets just stick with the penis size explanation.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 04:05 PM (pEOD8)

457 The whole "buzz you in" thing at schools isn't the most secure thing in the world, since the secretary usually looks at you and buzzes you in. I was buzzedd in going to pick up a friends kid last year, and wondered, how secure is this? She looks up and just buzzes me in? I'd never even been to the school before that.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (2t6Gz)

458 Nope. "Guns are bad, drugs are good be cause I do them"
Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:54 PM (wwsoB)


-----------------------------------------------------


Not to be taking anything away from Ace's post, but the drugs these people may be doing "on a strictly recreational basis" was left out on his list.

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (1CXqI)

459 By the way, I want to clarify that I believe in original sin and innate human depravity. (I'm not a Calvinist, btw.)

In my first comment (too lazy to find out which number it was, forty-something I think), I was distinguishing the evil committed here from general human depravity. We may be sinful, but most of us don't go around shooting up random people.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (6zgse)

460 I had to fill out some govt paperwork to buy a 5gal pail of Nitro
methane recently, even though the stuff is no more splody than Methanol


Can it be used to make recreational substances? [insert usual rant about how treating me like a criminal when my sinuses hurt hasn't stopped the flow of methamphetamines from Mexico]

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (/kI1Q)

461 It's mobys like Kilgore who need the instant ban stick

Fuck with their posts. Do that for a bit and they get huffy and go away on their own

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (G0eua)

462 did the swat team throw a cordon around the school and make the kids come out with their hands up?

Posted by: guy falle at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (lB/5N)

463

Michael Moore
@MMFlint

The
way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free

mental health care, universal health care, higher taxes, ban SUVs, more investment in solar energy, more windmills, nationalize oil companies, and an end to violence as public policy, and a partridge in a pear tree.



Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (G/zuv)

464 Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?

That's why we talk about sports. SOMEBODY'S team has to win.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (fsLdt)

465 Whatev, the whole buzz in to the main admin office suddenly seems a bad idea. He took out the first line of defense in a heart beat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:06 PM (oQmCC)

466 Oh and the SCOAMF just did his Clinton at Ron Brown funeral impression. Fuck you SCOAMF.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (dvRYt)

467 We’ve endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. And
each time I learn the news, I react not as a president, but as anybody
else would as a parent...

...take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics.


In the wake of horror, overtures to a power grab.

...it begins.

Posted by: T. Hunter at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (EZl54)

468
brb, honorin dead children

Posted by: Michael Moorebidly Obese at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (G/zuv)

469 Now got an idiot on Fox on the phone wondering what type of ammo the shooter had.

Good gosh, too little information and too many idiots pontificating.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (oQmCC)

470
454Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?

Yes...but 'good news' rarely gets reported on.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (K4wCe)

471 We don't need to understand cretins like this, just identify them, box them in, and put them down.

Guaranteed that his family well knew that this character had no boundaries for his acting out, because his act has been building for some time.

This kind of behavior though thankfully rare, fits Justice Stewart's definition of porn, tough to define but you know it when you see it.

I'd be willing to bet that in their awful last moments, this devil's parent's were by far the least surprised of all of today's victims.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (aZ6ew)

472 are you saying Sin isn't seductive? That people don't fetishize sin as hot and sexy? Of course they do.
Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:00 PM (LCRYB)


Agreed. That is the POINT of sin. Sin is meant to be seductive; that's how it preys on the soul. And that doesn't mean sexually seductive. It means alluring and engaging to a dark part of our subconscious that wants pleasure without consequence.

One of the problems as I see it is that we've divorced the concept of "sin" from the concept of "morality." Sin is no longer a wicked indulgence (let alone a damning offence); it's become a lifestyle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (4df7R)

473 I'm skeptical these types of crimes are less common in poorer nations. I think they are more easily hidden.

And Nigeria has no shortage of mass murder crimes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (ZPrif)

474 Hah, I never realized that I do believe in Original Sin,

All it really means is "people are innately flawed and will never be perfect". When you think of it, it's a cornerstone of the conservative world view--people are not perfectible, though they may improve themselves if they try.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (GBXon)

475 I keep going back to the post Ace put up after the shootings in AZ. Again this is another insightful post. Thank you for that Ace.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (t06LC)

476 6
Symptoms of a sick culture.Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 14, 2012


Ties in with Ace's "theatre" comment. This sicko also tweeted about spending his "Black Ops 3" money. These armored/well-armed shooters are living it, IMHO.

Posted by: eureka! at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (HPRku)

477

Why do you gun nuts not accept basic evidence?America.

How about Canada?

Where there are virtually no guns, and strict gun laws?

That is one reason they are talking about it, there, today.

2006 Dawson College, Montreal, Quebec

1989 Montreal Massacre

(It was reported by witnesses that the gunman divided the students in the classroom by gender and sent the male students into the corridor before opening fire on the female students. In that room six women were shot dead and a seventh woman was killed in another room. The gunman then left the classrooms in search of more victims. He killed three more people in the cafeteria and four people in the corridor of the third floor before turning the .22 calibre rifle on himself.

These types of crimes -- mass murders are not unique to the US, and occur in countries with very highly controlled gun laws and regulations.


Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (LpQbZ)

478 Can it be used to make recreational substances?

Sorta, I use it and the Methanol to mix model airplane fuel ;-> Mostly I think it was just because it sounds scary -- nitro anything sounds scary to govt retards.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 04:08 PM (G0eua)

479 Whatever the facts may end up being after all the instant "new breaking news" is past, I can say one thing

Today is not the MBM's Finest Hour

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (wwsoB)

480
brb, tweetin about dead children

Posted by: Michael Moorebidly Obese at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (G/zuv)

481 >>> Evil simply wasn't seductive as a means in itself until recently because there is nothing sexy or Scary about sin it's rather plebeian and boring really.

I don't know what to say to any of this.

You have to be clearer, in the whole comment, for me to respond. I do not know what you mean half the time.

For example:

>>> To sin is to lose in a Christian perspective so it would make no sense for a loser to seek power in sinning in order to be evil.

I don't think this particular guy was keen on going to Church, so I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the guy we're actually talking about.

I suspect you're just offering a tautology ("people who are not sinful commit no sins") but I'm really not sure what you intend to say.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (LCRYB)

482 Eternal shamefests against the killers isn't going to do jack. They're not going to care if you slander them after they're dead because, well, they're dead. But, even more than that.... They went out to kill a whole bunch of people because they hate the world and, well, mission accomplished on that score. So what have you said? "The world thinks you're a loser?" Ace basically said that's what he thinks was the killers' motivation before the killing. What makes you think reinforcing the message will change the behavior?

Posted by: Locarno at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (f7XGr)

483 The way to honor these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health care, and an end to violence as public policy.
Posted by: Jones

Yes. We know that work marvelously in Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, etc.

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (G+Wff)

484 Good take on the media angle.
The book: Terrorism: How the West Can Win (1987) by Benjamin Netanyahu has a good Krauthammer (I think) essay on media and terrorism.

Posted by: fb at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (JVEmw)

485 There are mass murders all the time in Africa. The difference is they are sopnsored by the government, so it's all good.

Posted by: maddogg at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (OlN4e)

486 Guns are illegal in Mexico

Posted by: 300 dead Mexicans at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (EZl54)

487
brb, fightin back fake tears

Posted by: lolobama at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (G/zuv)

488
Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?

Yes it does. Tonight there will be kids hugged and tickled, spoused kissed, presents wrapped, trees trimmed, eggnog spiked and pets cuddled.

Pants removed and goofy stuff typed on the ONT. I almost forgot that part.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (yiIja)

489 I used to be involved with school security planning and I always came to the conclusion that somebody would have to be a hero to prevent a bad situation from becoming worse.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (MPjT8)

490 Okay, I've gone back and read what you wrote Ace. I want to suggest you look at it from a different angle, now that more facts are available. He hated his Dad, killed him. Hated his Mom, killed her. But hated the Mom so much that he went to the school where she taught, into her classroom, and killed her entire class of innocent five and six year olds.

Why them? I'd guess that he wanted society to hate the woman who brought him to the school, who made it possible for him to get past security, with a white hot anger. He'd want the press to investigate her life, interview her neighbors, turn her into the focus of the investigation.

Which I surmise is going to happen. He gets the reward he wants, because I would suspect there's something there he wants to be discovered.

What's the answer to that?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (feFL6)

491 My daughter's school just sent out a blanket voice mail message about what they're doing to make sure that these things don't happen the best they can.

That's good.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (UK9cE)

492 The buzz you in thing isn't much security.
Had a family member in ICU recently. Had to be buzzed in.

People constantly snuck in. Nurse would just assume you had a reason to be there.

Only family was supposed to be buzzed in, but numerous friends of the family got in anyway.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (ZPrif)

493 As I'm sure has already been noted, ace (I just got in), the Media will never do this. It would require them to give up their Blame Game and they won't do that. Criminals, to them, are NEVER responsible for their actions.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (xjpRj)

494 Well put, ace.


Here's what I want, I want to erase his name from history. It's an even larger version of how it infuriates me that the news stories are about Javon Belcher. Fuck that shit. The stories should be phrased, Kassandra Perkins, who was killed by her ex-boyfriend, with his name not even being mentioned. Deny those who do such things even the basic humanity of memorializing their names.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (VtjlW)

495 And Nigeria has no shortage of mass murder crimes.

I'm certain Africa is the least safe place in the world. Maybe she meant people trying to kill a classroom.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (fsLdt)

496 shooter may have been mentally ill:

Patch exclusive: The man identified in media reports Friday as the shooter has told friends that he thinks his developmentally disabled brother may have committed the crime, Patch has learned.

A close friend of Ryan Lanza who would not be identified told Patch that he spoke to Lanza as Lanza made his way home from work to Hoboken. Lanza also took to his Facebook page to rail against CNN naming him as the suspect in the shooting in Newtown, Conn.

“I’m on the bus home now, it wasn’t me,” Lanza wrote.

http://is.gd/ALZVjF

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (8sCoq)

497 One more for the gun control people who are making noise. Norway has stringent gun ownership laws and that didn't stop the psycho Breivik.

Posted by: snowcrash at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (I30qo)

498 Shit I make a drink and read some Christmas cards and there are 200 more posts.

WTF, no one working today?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (wR+pz)

499 @477

Norway. You forgot that one. At least there they gave him 20 years soft time.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (t06LC)

500
At the beginning I thought the Aurora shooter was just doing a pretend to be crazy guy, but it appears he really is nutty like Laughner is.

At the beginning of this one, going after parents, etc, this seems like it is an example of anger in its purist form.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (n/ubI)

501 Yes...but 'good news' rarely gets reported on.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:07 PM (K4wCe)



Imagine how much better our society/culture would be if we reported the positive more than the negative...

Our country is run by fear. Fear is our most basic and strongest instinct. The media knows this. Hollywood knows this. And, our government knows this.

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (LpQbZ)

502 Michael Moore
@MMFlint

The way to honor
these dead children is to demand strict gun control, free mental health
care, and an end to violence as public policy.


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:01 PM

Mental health care doesn't do jack in most cases, free or not.

End to violence? Hey Fat Man, have a chat with your comrades in Hollywood who make billions from violence, then we'll listen to you for five seconds without laughing at you

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (wwsoB)

503
brb, throwin out names, any ol names

Posted by: lolABC at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (G/zuv)

504 I saw the Obamatears, they seemed real to me, but could be from lack of sleep over the thousand investigations he's involved in. But probably real.

But then I remember his stance on live birth abortions.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (2t6Gz)

505 "I can not stand Avalon. He's a little prick."

but hey, his wife has all the answers on how to win again! it's the gays!

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez, Wishing Everyone Happy Holidays at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (yAor6)

506 No more unsafe government classrooms herding kids into cramped rooms with unprotected walls.

Time for national online education.

Posted by: T. Hunter at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (EZl54)

507 What is good in life?

Well, it is hard to beat Hormel pre cooked bacon at Costco. Zap it again for 30 seconds to get it good and crisp.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (wR+pz)

508
Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (K4wCe)

509 Sorta, I use it and the Methanol to mix model airplane fuel ;->
Mostly I think it was just because it sounds scary -- nitro anything
sounds scary to govt retards.


Nitromethane can be used to make an explosive. It's also quite explosive on its own under the right conditions.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (SY2Kh)

510 Nigeria has had numerous slaughters where kids were locked in burning churches.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (ZPrif)

511 I love folks saying we have to end violence... As if murder is not a crime already....

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (bgzAd)

512 Maybe she meant people trying to kill a classroom.

Trending: A-stan

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (G0eua)

513 My wife was shopping at Toys R Us today and was looking at a gift for our daughter. When she was leaving the store, someone handed her the gift with a note that said something about a random act of kindness because she looked down.

She broke out in tears in the middle of the store because of the raw emotions of the day and that one random act that helps restore your faith in humanity.

And, shortly thereafter, she paid it forward.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (UK9cE)

514 It's funny how we all want to chime in with our answers. Our version of what and why.

The real answer is there is no f*cking answer. There is no question. Maniacs will be disturbing and unknowable just like the grass will be green and grow.

There is no salve for the pain and destruction they cause. When the mania is widespread and based in an ideology, we can stomp the subscribers and stop the spread. When it's individual and unique, we just have to eat the horror and find some f*cked up way to digest it.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (R8BMm)

515 gateway pundid has the shooter as Adam Lanza 20 yo

ryan Lanza is the 24yo brother

Posted by: jake in ID at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (W6iIX)

516 The problem with humiliating the murderer, is that the media is INCOMPETENT. Remember the batman shooting? yeah, they tried to dig deep and expose the evil truth that he was a tea party member.. Only they got the wrong guy, too. Looks like they got the wrong guy AGAIN, and are posting his pic everywhere. How horrible would it be to be intentionally humiliated by these incompetent liberal idiots when you're not the one who has anything to do with the murder? It could very well end in your own suicide. Forget about the suing angle.. its not that easy to get your life back

IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME. The media is so piss poor, it should be a joke.. but it isn't. Right now half the nation is on the edge of their seat to catch what these idiots have to say next.

we'll only see more of that hackery if we go down this road. In a competent world, this would be ideal, but we have people in the media who's mental ability doesn't match their education. They're idiots

Have any of you been involved in a news story? like a local one? I was in a second hand way.. and the newspaper got just about EVERY FACT WRONG. This was a small town thing, too.. so the big stories are so full of fuckery I cannot imagine

Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (agJFZ)

517 @485 and the other person above, again, I was asking about this *specific* type of murder, not murder in general.

I suspect the murder rate is higher in most African countries, but that wasn't my point.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (6zgse)

518 Guns are illegal in Mexico
Posted by: 300 dead Mexicans at December 14, 2012 04:09 PM (EZl54)

You've got a lot more dead mexicans to add to your name to be correct about how many have been killed in Mexico due to guns

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (t06LC)

519 “The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves if we are underlings.”

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (oQmCC)

520 Free mental health care doesn't mean jack if the paranoid schizo thinks you are offering him poison.

More involuntary commitment can help, but has obvious downsides.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:14 PM (ZPrif)

521 >>>One of the problems as I see it is that we've divorced the concept of "sin" from the concept of "morality." Sin is no longer a wicked indulgence (let alone a damning offence); it's become a lifestyle.

when you say "it's become a lifestyle," surely you're not postulating a time when this was not true.

Part of my objection here -- why I keep objecting to these claims -- is that I see these as the mirror-opposite of John's posts. It's trying to put this into a *continuous spectrum* of politics.

Look, you and I both know that no matter how much of a twat Keith Olbermann is, or how much of a twat Rosie O'Donnell is, nothing they did or said had anything to do with this crime.

I just don't see this connection between murderous lunacy (which is as old as evil itself) and modern political/cultural problems which most people would date from about the time of the birth control pill.

And as a nonbeliever, I'm not so much offended as amused by the suggestion -- not explicitly said, but lurking around -- that because I don't have Christ in my life I'm an elevated risk to commit a mass murder.

It's not true. I can come up with a whole list of god-fearing Christians who went nutters and killed people (sometimes, they claimed, because Christ demanded it). Now you will probably rejoin "But that means they weren't really Christians' but at that point we arrive at a tautology: Christians do not murder, ergo any murder committed was not committed by a Christian.


Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:14 PM (LCRYB)

522 I have a diferent perspective on all this....

Not all Men (people) are good by Nature... most have to be trained by Western Society and their upbringing to be good....

A large part of that used to be religion, and the idea that there WAS Ultimate Justice when you die... thus this person would have gone straight to hell, due to killing innocent children and commiting suicide.

That part of societal training is no longer active, nor effective, with the secular society we have become... and when you add in moral relativism where EVERYTHING is equal (its just cultural).... where NOTHING is Right or Wrong, let alone Good or Evil.... there is no check on Amoral behaviour...

This idividual WAS Evil, IMO... and in the balance, I think pointing this out will deter MORE whackos, than it will encourage.... but neither tactic will deter them all....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (lZBBB)

523 Ryan Lanza. Sounds Italian.

I'd like to hear from Bob Costas on the Culture of Italians.

And he killed his parents, so I think we also need to hear about the Culture of Parents.

Come on, people, let's get to the root of the problem here -- Italians ... in families ... do I have to spell it all out for you?

Posted by: Phinn at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (oFH2D)

524 also note this was in Conneticuit and New Jersy.

Both known for their very strict Gun laws

Posted by: jake in ID at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (W6iIX)

525 From the Daily Mail

The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, who was carrying his older brother's ID, is confirmed dead and body still inside the schoolHis father was found dead at his home in Newtown
Brother Ryan, 24, is in custody and being questioned

http://tinyurl.com/czv87ov

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (81UWZ)

526 Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?


Well, I DID get laid last night.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (GFM2b)

527 516
The problem with humiliating the murderer, is that the media is
INCOMPETENT. Remember the batman shooting? yeah, they tried to dig deep
and expose the evil truth that he was a tea party member.. Only they got
the wrong guy, too. Looks like they got the wrong guy AGAIN, and are
posting his pic everywhere. How horrible would it be to be intentionally
humiliated by these incompetent liberal idiots when you're not the one
who has anything to do with the murder? It could very well end in your
own suicide. Forget about the suing angle.. its not that easy to get
your life back

IT HAPPENS EVERY TIME. The media is so piss poor,
it should be a joke.. but it isn't. Right now half the nation is on the
edge of their seat to catch what these idiots have to say next.

we'll
only see more of that hackery if we go down this road. In a competent
world, this would be ideal, but we have people in the media who's mental
ability doesn't match their education. They're idiots

Have any
of you been involved in a news story? like a local one? I was in a
second hand way.. and the newspaper got just about EVERY FACT WRONG.
This was a small town thing, too.. so the big stories are so full of
fuckery I cannot imagine


Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (agJFZ)



So what you're really saying is the media sucks at their job.

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (GQ8sn)

528 >>>It's funny how we all want to chime in with our answers. Our version of what and why.

Absolutely, we all yammer to make sense of the senseless, and we're all wrong.

Except me. I've got it completely right. I'm a Blogger.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (LCRYB)

529 @517

First world problem: contagious celebrated narcicissm, untreated mental illness, breakdown of society generally.
I think the post above delves into it. I doubt such persons would be profiled in Nigeria, of course I doubt Nigeria also has the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. What is the suicide rate in Nigeria?

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (t06LC)

530 >>>but hey, his wife has all the answers on how to win again! it's the gays! Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez, Wishing Everyone Happy Holidays at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (yAor6)


She ought to know --- she's married to one...

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (0Ufr+)

531 How about free NOTHING for the mentally ill. I'd get behind that. If they aren't coddled, the tragedy of mental illness ends there and Darwin takes over.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (2t6Gz)

532 I'm saying there is no evidence Africa, or poorer nations in general, have fewer serial or psycho killers.

They are easier to hide. Most of Latin America has a problem with "missing" women. It's cause there are pyschos killing them, but not the resources to track them down.

An atrocity in a poor village is less likely to make the news and more easily hidden.

Same way there are many massacres in American history that weren't nationwide panic stories.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

533 Well put, Ace.

The cherry on the top of his utter failure at everything and inability to face his problems is his suicide.

He had to kill himself because that the only way he could control the narrative running in his head.

He goes out at the peak of his "power".

No coda where he's the pitiful pale weenie in a prison jumpsuit or where he's getting ass-raped in prison or beaten to death with a broomstick.

That inability to stand and face what he's done is the final mark of and root cause of his failure.


Let him be eaten by wild pigs and their dung his crypt.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (54vf8)

534 Well, I DID get laid last night.


Your left hand does not count!

Posted by: EC at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (GQ8sn)

535 Now Fox is saying Lanza's father might be alive.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (oQmCC)

536 I acknowledged that many people don't believe in it anymore that's why it happens more ace. Pretty basic.

As for the other point. You are saying losers see evil as seductive and thusly perform evil acts to seek the aura of power.

I am arguing that within the framework of original sin evil itself is not seductive. It confers no power. Therefore, a loser versed in orginal sin might sell his soul for power, or kill someone for money etc. but he is unlikely to shoot up a school because his actions would be seen as evil, deriving from sin, and hence weak. You are confusing sin with taboos and sinful delights. Sin itself is a dirty common thing unlike "EVIL." Sin as exercising power over the imagination began with Baudelaire.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (kQl8p)

537
is Ryan, 24, the same Ryan Lanza who was tweeting 'shut the fuck up, it wasn't me" to people today?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (G/zuv)

538 The shooter's father may have come back to life.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (NIZHJ)

539 Always the fucking DM gets the story first.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (0Ufr+)

540
Imagine how much better our society/culture would be if we reported the positive more than the negative...

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:11 PM (LpQbZ)

----------

Yep...but as Ace mentioned above...."evil sells".

The word 'evil' is even used as a compliment these days.
So is the word 'wicked'.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (K4wCe)

541 Well, I DID get laid last night.





Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM (GFM2b)


Me too!!!! Even got to munch the carpet a bit.

Good times.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (UK9cE)

542 490
Okay, I've gone back and read what you wrote Ace. I want to suggest you
look at it from a different angle, now that more facts are available. He
hated his Dad, killed him. Hated his Mom, killed her. But hated the Mom
so much that he went to the school where she taught, into her
classroom, and killed her entire class of innocent five and six year
olds.



Why them? I'd guess that he wanted society to hate the woman who
brought him to the school, who made it possible for him to get past
security, with a white hot anger. He'd want the press to investigate her
life, interview her neighbors, turn her into the focus of the
investigation.



Which I surmise is going to happen. He gets the reward he wants,
because I would suspect there's something there he wants to be
discovered.



What's the answer to that?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 14, 2012 04:10 PM (feFL6)

Yes , looks like killing the children had something to do with his relationship to his mother. She cared for them but not for him? Envy.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (AWmfW)

543 FUCK IT

FNC reporting maybe the shooter's father is NOT dead

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (8sCoq)

544 510 Nigeria has had numerous slaughters where kids were locked in burning churches.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:12 PM (ZPrif)

And the culprits in these atrocities were...

Ding, ding, ding! Religion of peacers.

This is a different, more personal type of crime. Not better or worse, equally evil, but different.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (6zgse)

545
Well hell, Cavuto says father may be alive, not victim at all.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (n/ubI)

546 Ace, that's where the whole demonic possession thing comes in. If you're a demonically possessed Christian, then you're off the hook.

It was someone else's fault. Demons are crafty.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (G0eua)

547 Same way there are many massacres in American history that weren't nationwide panic stories.

Any summer weekend in Chicago, for instance.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (/kI1Q)

548 There are mass murders all the time in Africa. The difference is they are sopnsored by the government, so it's all good.

I believe her point was that such violence usually has a specific motivation behind it- political rivalry, sectarian / tribal conflicts, criminal gangs, civil war, etc.

This wasn't motivated by any sort of conflict against the kids or profit. It was killing for the sake of killing and a narcissistic desire for attention in the aftermath.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (SY2Kh)

549
The shooter's father may have come back to life.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised. The media outlets have been awful with this story.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (G/zuv)

550 >> Except me. I've got it completely right. I'm a Blogger.

Not a (COLUMN)ist?

Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (C/NnJ)

551 I was in a second hand way.. and the newspaper got just about EVERY FACT WRONG.

You must live in my town.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (R8BMm)

552 Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (81UWZ)

It's entirely possible that he had his brother's ID because they look alike and that's how he buys booze.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (GsoHv)

553 Most intelligent thing I've read about this awful, awful business. Well said.

Posted by: Peter at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (gLfEN)

554 I think what Chick de Africa is saying is individual nutters don't go shoot up places there

groups motovated by religion(read, islam) or politics go kill a bunch of people

Posted by: jake in ID at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (W6iIX)

555 let's see what the media has gotten wrong so far:


they said there was 2 shooters

said the father was dead; now backing off that

MISIDENTIFIED the alleged shooter; now it looks like it was a younger brother

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (8sCoq)

556 “I’m on the bus home now, it wasn’t me,” Lanza wrote.http://is.gd/ALZVjF
Posted by: Jones in CO

To the lawerly morons here - does he have a case to sue whoever reported this first?

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (G+Wff)

557 She broke out in tears in the middle of the store
because of the raw emotions of the day and that one random act that
helps restore your faith in humanity.

And, shortly thereafter, she paid it forward.


Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:13 PM (UK9cE)

Good for her. Reminds me of the Chic fil a day. I paid for the guy behind me's meal, and the lady started smiling. She said half the people in the line are doing the same thing and they were having a hard time keeping up with who had paid or been paid for.



Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (wR+pz)

558 Heatherradish:

Yes, absolutely. More dangerous than Iraq in many neighborhoods.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (tVTLU)

559 Think of all the "shooters" we have had to hear about endlessly.
"why did he die his hair red? Was he bullied in school? Did he have mommy issues?"
Endless glorification by the media of a " life" that isn't worth reading in the guys obituary.
Now, quick...name any past victims and what their lives were all about.
Yeah....
Not so much.
Once upon a time these " shooters" would have been called what they are. Pathetic losers without any redeeming qualities who destroy others that have great potential...simply because those others do have great potential.
And the losers know it.
It's the crazy-town version of class warfare. Only with weapons in class.
Shame them and their families...because you know the people close to them knew they were batshit crazy and yet said nothing!

Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (GWxXv)

560
Any summer weekend in Chicago, for instance.

Not since Mayor Rahm told them to take that shit into the back alleys.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (G/zuv)

561 Yes , looks like killing the children had something to do with his
relationship to his mother. She cared for them but not for him? Envy.


And the children have mothers, who probably all feel pretty shitty tonight.

Can't make his own mother miserable when she's dead, so he'll make other mothers miserable. There's probably a fancy word for that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (/kI1Q)

562 But we aren't just talking about massacres. Sure Christians did alot of those. We are talking about why losers shoot up places seeking the aura of evil. You guys are changing the issue here. Maybe it is just narcissism, but most Christians would argue narcissism was the original sin.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 04:19 PM (kQl8p)

563
Where the hell is the Natl Enquirer so I can get some actual facts?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (n/ubI)

564 WTF, everyone is listing the wrong brother?


Oh. Dear. God.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (VtjlW)

565 Romeo13,

I agree with you generally as far as NORMAL behavior and psychology -- licentiousness and crime will naturally go up in the absence of some sort of restraining factor, whether that factor be physical (eternally vigilant police presence/surveillance state) or moral philosophy or simple Myth or whatever.

I think my problem, though, is extending that sort of thinking -- which is *generally* applicable to most sins and most criminal behavior -- to a truly deviant and bizarrely psychologied murder.

I think the God/Morality arguments are perefectly reasonable when we're talking about reasonable people. People will tend to commit, say, adultry less frequently in a highly moral society (or a society where adultery is seriously punsihed).

My problem is applying such a scheme of logical reward/punishment inputs to someone who is quite plainly not logical and not judging the Merits/Demerits associated with his action.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (LCRYB)

566 >The shooter's father may have come back to life.


Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:17 PM (NIZHJ)



he was killed but he got better

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (8sCoq)

567 Now it's Adam Lanza.

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (1CXqI)

568

the internetz seems to be getting scrubbed

gateway pundit youtube link - removed
fb - removed

...

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (LpQbZ)

569 Lewis CK moonlights as a cop! http://goo.gl/iqdAJ

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (0Ufr+)

570 The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, who was carrying his
older brother's ID, is confirmed dead and body still inside the
schoolHis father was found dead at his home in Newtown
Brother Ryan, 24, is in custody and being questioned

http://tinyurl.com/czv87ov


Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 14, 2012 04:15 PM (81UWZ)


I thought his father was found dead in Hoboken?

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:21 PM (X6akg)

571 Looking at their home, it appears that they had some bucks.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (0Ufr+)

572 Except me. I've got it completely right. I'm a Blogger.

Well....that's different.

Posted by: eleven at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (fsLdt)

573 The media really fucked up again on this whole situation... It's what happens when folks start to bother with rumor and sources rather than the facts...

Posted by: TFC3Tweets at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (bgzAd)

574 564
WTF, everyone is listing the wrong brother?





Oh. Dear. God.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (VtjlW)

Fox said that Adam(the shooter) was carrying Ryan's ID.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (X6akg)

575 Tami. At this point even if they dragged the shooter's body out and said it was Adam I would demand a DNA test by two labs. Everyone is screwing up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (oQmCC)

576 Sadly, this shit happens everyday in Africa. The Congo, Mali, Nigeria, Kenya (Barry's home), South Africa.

The slaughter of childern is so common that it doesn't even get reported much.

Of course, that may have something to do with the killers, those guys in the "Religion of Peace".

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (wR+pz)

577 "How about free NOTHING for the mentally ill. I'd get behind that. If they aren't coddled, the tragedy of mental illness ends there and Darwin takes over."

How about no. I don't expect most sociopathic would-be spree killers would choose to avail themselves of mental health care, but I'd prefer they have access to it when they choose. Seems to me some of these tragedies could have been prevented if a caring family, friends or society had intervened to get these people the care they desperately need.

Posted by: Mrs. McConnell at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (Hz1zc)

578 548 There are mass murders all the time in Africa. The difference is they are sopnsored by the government, so it's all good.

I believe her point was that such violence usually has a specific motivation behind it- political rivalry, sectarian / tribal conflicts, criminal gangs, civil war, etc.

This wasn't motivated by any sort of conflict against the kids or profit. It was killing for the sake of killing and a narcissistic desire for attention in the aftermath.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 14, 2012 04:18 PM (SY2Kh)

Thank you. I couldn't have stated it better.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (6zgse)

579 >I thought his father was found dead in Hoboken?


Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:21 PM (X6akg)


Fox reporting the father may not be dead

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (8sCoq)

580 Absolutely, we all yammer to make sense of the senseless, and we're all wrong.



Except me. I've got it completely right. I'm a Blogger.



Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:16 PM

For some reason, the "Dragnet" theme popped into my head when you said that




Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (wwsoB)

581 Fox said that Adam(the shooter) was carrying Ryan's ID.
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (X6akg)



Okay that at least makes some sense other than oooops sorry looked at the wrong facebook picture.


If the brother is developmentally disabled then we're off into a whole mess of weeds I don't want to consider.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (VtjlW)

582 chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

I commented in #252.

What so you think as a person who has been there?

Posted by: Adriane at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (gh+mp)

583
But is the mother dead, still?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (G/zuv)

584 CNN is reporting that the mother was at the school and she is, in fact, dead.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (UK9cE)

585 >>>America. A country where it's easier to get a military grade assault weapon for "hunting" then it is to get mental health care.


I can go with money in my pocket, and see a psychiatrist today. Buy a rifle of any type in Connecticut? Not so much.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (0q2P7)

586
mentally ill, my ass

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (G/zuv)

587 But is the mother dead, still?


Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (G/zuv)


Let's bring them all back..

Posted by: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (/YJYi)

588 This reminds me of the Atlanta Olympic Bomber.

I think NBC cracked that one first.

The media IS NOT the news.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (aZ6ew)

589 FNC reporting there is someone dead inside the shooter's home, just not the father

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (8sCoq)

590 I understand what's she saying. I'm saying there is no evidence for that.

It's like people who say it's only white guys who are serial killers. No actually blacks are slighty over-represented as a % of serial killers.

Saying "This kind of thing doesn't happen in Africa." is just a false statement.

It's basically saying, "I don't remember this kind of thing happening in Africa."

Same way other people might say "This kind of thing doesn't happen in (place where I'm from)".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (ZPrif)

591
He knew exactly what he was doing. This was planned.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (G/zuv)

592 Someone is dead in the father's house. It's not the dad.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (NIZHJ)

593 Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM (LCRYB)

I see your point... but the question then becomes how you tailor the narrative to effect the MOST who may need said messege...

I would say MOST people still believe in some higher power. If EVERY Religious or philisophical leader came out with the idea that this was Evil, and TALKED about it... it would get to 'most'...

Now there is the subset of whackos that you describe... and I like you idea of calling them pathetic losers....

But why not a Pathetic Loser who is going straight to Hell?

Best of both worlds? Get both subsets with the messege?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (lZBBB)

594 This reminds me of the Atlanta Olympic Bomber.

I think NBC cracked that one first.

The media IS NOT the news.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (aZ6ew)


Yeah, how IS Richard Jewel getting along these days?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (UK9cE)

595 584
CNN is reporting that the mother was at the school and she is, in fact, dead.


Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:25 PM (UK9cE)

That's funny....FOX just reported the mother was killed at her home in Newtown.....and 'someone' is dead in Adam's apt/home.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (X6akg)

596 I thought of an analogy i think is good:

Those arguing about morality and God and a sickened society and etc. are discussing, basically, moral economics in a well-functioning market. In a well functioning market, with rational actors, of course you will get LESS of something (sin, crime) to the extent you penalize it more or subsidize it less.

In THIS situation, however, I think we are CLEARLY talking about a non-functioning moral marketplace with a plainly IRrational actor so I don't see how any of the rules of rational actor/functioning moral marketplace are even relevant.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (LCRYB)

597 >But is the mother dead, still?


Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:24 PM (G/zuv)


the mother remains dead at this time, pending MSM updates/walk-backs

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (8sCoq)

598
Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory.
======
I noticed that. A more cynical person might say, 'boy there sure are a lot of mass shootings on this gun grabber's watch".

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (MPjT8)

599 26 The Devil makes himself known to the weak-willed, the better to tempt them to their own destruction. Ace is right, the true strong-willed people don't need to become a monster to impress other people. they are busy impressing people already by being good at what they do, good with their families, and good people to know when there is trouble. The temptation to become mighty by treading on the backs and faces of others has a special appeal for the losers of the world. Which is probably why gangsta rap sells, and dictators lead more governments than legally elected presidents.

Amen

Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (qwUGR)

600
The latest grains of salt:

Father not dead, somebody else in NJ.

Shooter used Mother's weapons.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (n/ubI)

601 If the DM photo is correct, he's a big kid.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (0Ufr+)

602 "How about free NOTHING for the mentally ill. I'd get behind that. If they aren't coddled, the tragedy of mental illness ends there and Darwin takes over."

How about no. I don't expect most sociopathic would-be spree killers would choose to avail themselves of mental health care, but I'd prefer they have access to it when they choose. Seems to me some of these tragedies could have been prevented if a caring family, friends or society had intervened to get these people the care they desperately need.
Posted by: Mrs. McConnell at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM (Hz1zc)
----
I still disagree. Give them no help, not public money help anyway. If the family wants to help them, more power to them, its their right. But if they otherwise freeze to death on the streets due to mental illness, the mental illness was the cause and it ends there.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (2t6Gz)

603 579
>I thought his father was found dead in Hoboken?




Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:21 PM (X6akg)


Fox reporting the father may not be dead


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:23 PM

Since the media is wildly speculating I will too about how this tragedy could be avoided.

The killer's mother was in CT working. The father in NJ. Well its pretty clear to me his parents were divorced. Lets ban divorce!!!!111!!!

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (hl8SI)

604 Looking at their home, it appears that they had some bucks.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:22 PM (0Ufr+)


---------------------------------------


Per FNC: Average cost of a house in that neighborhood - $400,000

Average income per household: $111,000+

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (1CXqI)

605 Alexthechick. The media wildebeest in their stampede to get a story out has so muddied the water of the story. We will be lucky to identify the weeds by now.

So the mother is possibly dead. So is Adam Lanza, who might be developmentally disabled. And Adam used weapons registered to the mother. Wiped out the school office before going to a classroom. Ryan Lanza is apparently alive and saying its not me. And now it appears the father might still be alive.

But its all subject to change.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (oQmCC)

606 It's silly to come up with elaborate theories of why this "doesn't happen" in Africa when there is no evidence to support the initial fact.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (ZPrif)

607 594 I think he is still dead.

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (NIZHJ)

608 I think the God/Morality arguments are perefectly
reasonable when we're talking about reasonable people. People will tend
to commit, say, adultry less frequently in a highly moral society (or a
society where adultery is seriously punsihed).





Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:20 PM

U Signùri rùna ‘u viscuottù a cu nun’ avi rienti

(God gives biscuits to those with no teeth)

Posted by: Ace's Consigliere at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (wwsoB)

609
Posted by: Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

Everyone was like you gotta see this movie! I thought it was ridiculous. And I like ridiculous, but it was just dumb.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (G/zuv)

610 Fuck does anything GOOD happen anymore?

There's a new Michelle Jenneke video on YouTube.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (JACEX)

611 Trace Gallagher reported that the girlfriend of Ryan Lanza is missing....she may be the unidentified body in NJ.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (X6akg)

612 Yeah, how IS Richard Jewel getting along these days?
Posted by: © Sponge at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (UK9cE)

He Died.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (3Y7RV)

613 ace, I don't know if I buy that these mass murderers are all illogical or somewhat insane. Maybe some of them are, but I chalk it up mostly to narcissistic selfish evil. They know what they are doing.

And although I don't think there are any pat answers to this situation, I do believe that moral relativism and everyone is a special snowflake-ism and no need to take any responsibility-ism are a detriment to society and contribute greatly to societal rot and all sorts of problems.

Whether those things contributed to this particular case, however, I cannot say. We live in a fallen world full of sinful people.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM (6zgse)

614 heard a report that his gf and a friend are both missing......jeez one evil mf'er

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 04:28 PM (GVxQo)

615 >>>Shooter used Mother's weapons.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Well, then, we must ban mothers!

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:28 PM (0Ufr+)

616 602

wtf?

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 04:28 PM (60GaT)

617 This guy has a badly disordered sense of moral economics and, guessing here, he's a malignant narcissist (as most of these guys are) so if you want to impact his economic decisions you attack the thing he actually values. He does not value Christ, he does not value life, he does not value morality.

But what he probably values is his ego and how he looks to others, as he's playing to a crowd.

So we're talking about sort of the same thing -- how to leverage the gears of his brains -- but I disagree with you that he's even considering the things you guys are talking about.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:28 PM (LCRYB)

618 Perspective:

The gang and drug violence of the inner city results in more murdered children in a year than these kinds of mass one-time shootings combined in a decade.

And those killings are maybe one step above senseless, in that it was over revenge, turf, money or dope.

But those are totally swept under the rug and these elevated in the media because it furthers a narrative that American gun culture is to blame, and that American culture in general is the reason that inner city kids wind up helpless, hopeless, imprisoned or dead. So vote Democrat for life to solve these problems.

May the good Lord please bless the souls of the victims and somehow comfort the bereaved families.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 04:29 PM (XkWWK)

619
592Someone is dead in the father's house. It's not the dad.

This is what is still foggy...
Trace Gallegher on Fox just said that there is someone who is dead in Hoboken...at the older brother Ryan's appartment.
And it is not Ryan.

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:29 PM (K4wCe)

620
he has/had a gf?

doesn't sound too mentally ill to me

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:29 PM (G/zuv)

621 So the mother is possibly dead. So is Adam Lanza,
who might be developmentally disabled. And Adam used weapons registered
to the mother. Wiped out the school office before going to a classroom.
Ryan Lanza is apparently alive and saying its not me. And now it appears
the father might still be alive.

But its all subject to change.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:27 PM

Can't anybody here report this story !!!!!

Posted by: Casey Stengel at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (wwsoB)

622 To all the CT morons, like me, is there a vigil closer to central CT for these poor souls?

Posted by: jaimo at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (ulzt7)

623 Yep, the lib line on this seems to be "Well this is EXACTLY the time to talk about gun control."

That's a new one. Shame, decency, and any sense of decorum and humanity, totally gone. They're not even hiding it anymore.

Posted by: Filly at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (4DXae)

624 You do realize when a society sheds the system of monogamy where every man has a wife then the natural outlet for men who can't have a family is violence? You see it the Muslim world, you see it here, and you see it in china. Return providing young men wives or watch as those young men drop out, turn off, and become violent.

Posted by: Jack at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (7us0J)

625 611
Trace Gallagher reported that the girlfriend of Ryan Lanza is missing....she may be the unidentified body in NJ.


Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:27

Wait the Ryan who wasnt the school shooter did kill his girlfriend?

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (hl8SI)

626 Well its pretty clear to me his parents were divorced. Lets ban divorce!!!!111!!!

The common factor of every divorce is marriage. Ban that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (/kI1Q)

627
Haven't had time to read the latest comments but...

"The AP has already dubbed it "the worst school tragedy in American
history."

WRONG again. The worst involved no guns. A bomb was used. A long time ago.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (1Y+hH)

628 Shame is a powerful societal guardrail. And the Left has systematically dismantled that and other equally effective guardrails.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (4x8W0)

629 @578
Not to offend, but I think that's partially because Nigerians by in large aren't as high on Maslows hiarchy of needs. People that do shootings like this are usually quite comfortable so that the other motivations you mentioned (food, property, etc.) aren't needed. This kind of killing is all about the big ME.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (t06LC)

630 A sentient being with free will can not exist in the universe without facing tragedy, horror and evil. This is one of the fundamental issues of reality and faith.

there is no way to fix this

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (q177U)

631 LANZA DEFEATS TRUMAN !!!

Posted by: MSNBCNNBCBS at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (wwsoB)

632 He knew exactly what he was doing. This was planned.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:26 PM (G/zuv)


-------------------------------------------


Yup. And for a long time.

Posted by: Soona at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (1CXqI)

633 #564 Yep, apparently the younger brother was the shooter but had the older brother's ID on him, so the cops initially told reporters it was the wrong brother.

I'm guessing he borrowed the ID on the pretext of buying some booze but really wanted it to buy ammo.

Some are saying Ryan is in custody but if it's the Facebook guy he was posting that he was on his way home from work. So that is fuzzy.

Posted by: rockmom at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (aBlZ1)

634 Wait the Ryan who wasnt the school shooter did kill his girlfriend?


Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (hl8SI)


No one said that.....just that she's missing....which could be wrong to at this point.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (X6akg)

635
The audience shouldn't indulge him by considering him in the terms he prefers.

And yet....here we are.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (L7hol)

636 >>>ace, I don't know if I buy that these mass murderers are all illogical or somewhat insane. Maybe some of them are, but I chalk it up mostly to narcissistic selfish evil. They know what they are doing.


I think we'd be having a semantic debate on what "insane" means and I think it would be pointless as I don't disagree-- as you define insanity.

I do not define "insanity" as necessarily playing in one's own feces and marrying a peacock. It can be that, but it can simply be a profound moral disorder... which we'd agree this guy has, I assume.

And the LEGAL defintion of insanity is not the same one used in medicine or in common parlance.

I don't say "he's insane, so treat him." Fuck that. Kill him.

But if you want to get to him, you have ot understand how his brain works, and I do not think it works like a normal human being's.

Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (LCRYB)

637 Can the developmentally disabled purchase firearms?

Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (NIZHJ)

638 Yeah, how IS Richard Jewel getting along these days?

He died a couple years ago. Not in the greatest of health.

Posted by: fluffy at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (3SvjA)

639 School Marshalls would be a good idea.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:32 PM (MPjT8)

640 Can't anybody here report this story !!!!!

Posted by: Casey Stengel at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (wwsoB)


You're asking this of the MFM?! In any case, I'm sure it's still fluid/fungible and maybe even the cops aren't quite sure what the hell happened and who is who.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 04:32 PM (XkWWK)

641 severe mental illness often strikes around 20.
The person can go from functional - school, work, girlfriend -- to psycho killer fairly quickly.

It's unlikely that a 40 year schizo has a girlfriend, but not that a 20 year old does. Cause 6 months ago his brain was probably still working near normal.

Big difference if a dude has been insane for 3-6 months vs 10-20 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:32 PM (ZPrif)

642 There's sick, developmentally disabled, and there are evil pricks that trap innocent children in their safe house and shoot them.

I'd argue that whatever you choose to call that, it's not treatable, aside from extermination.

That is the very darkest possible shade of humanity.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM (aZ6ew)

643 Reminds me of the time Reagan was shot and news media said someone was killed. Later, it turned out he was still alive and I forget who the ABC news anchor was that day but he was pissed about it on the air.

Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM (GmsM/)

644 What did Rumsfeld one time say, "There are the things we don't know and there are the things we don't know that we don't know."

We are in the we don't know what we don't know stage.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM (oQmCC)

645
The person can go from functional - school, work, girlfriend -- to psycho killer fairly quickly.


Really? And this happens frequently?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM (G/zuv)

646 616 602

wtf?
Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 04:28 PM (60GaT)
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Is my Ayn Rand side showing?

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (2t6Gz)

647 Alexthechick. The media wildebeest in their stampede to get a story out has so muddied the water of the story. We will be lucky to identify the weeds by now.


If it's true that Adam had Ryan's id on him, that will save the various networks a tidy little eight sum figure.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (VtjlW)

648 Can't anybody here report this story !!!!!


They may have forgotton. Facts have had so little meaning that the narrative and talking points have always been the story. These fact things, how do they work?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (3Y7RV)

649 643 Reminds me of the time Reagan was shot and news media said someone was killed. Later, it turned out he was still alive and I forget who the ABC news anchor was that day but he was pissed about it on the air.
Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM (GmsM/)


Pissed that Reagan survived, no doubt.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (XkWWK)

650 The worst mass school murder in American history took place on May
18,1927 in Bath Township, Mich., when a former school board member set
off three bombs that killed 45 people.

Doesn't change the horror. But horror is not new.

Posted by: Just sayin at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (EZl54)

651
Because in all my life I don't know a single person who just snapped and went violent.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (G/zuv)

652
If FB guy is the older brother, Ryan, and DM guy is the younger brother, Adam, they look nothing alike.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (0Ufr+)

653 but I'd prefer they have access to it when they choose

If you walk into a police station or hospital and state you got a bunch of guns and ammo at home and feel like you're gonna go postal any moment and need to be stopped, you aren't gonna be sent home.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (G0eua)

654 Snapped from legit mental illness, I mean.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:34 PM (G/zuv)

655 Hi Adriane,

I agree with that. The society is by no means perfect, but it's unheard of for someone to have no family at all. Your family may be a bunch of malevolent creeps, but you still had family. And people help relatives out much more so than you do in the US.

Now, where I grew up in southern Nigeria, we had quite a few beggars. But come to think of it, they were almost never from around our area. They were either from the predominantly Muslim north or some other Muslim country close by. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (6zgse)

656 637 Can the developmentally disabled purchase firearms?
Posted by: Butters at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (NIZHJ)

No. Not if they are honest filling out the form.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (t06LC)

657 Barky named off the shooting massacres that have happened this year...like it was some sort of...inventory. ======
I wish that their was someone in the media or politician with some balls to start naming all of the victims of gun violence in Chicago, all of the MS-13 gang (illegal Salvadoreans) violence in Los Angeles, etc. I am so sick of this guy getting away with this.
And Mooch comes out and talks about how there was so much voter supression this election, and "not truth-telling", and the Republicans spent so much money, on and on.
These people have no shame and should particulary keep their mouths shut today.

Posted by: Cheri at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (G+Wff)

658 The thing about people with massive egos is that they always think this time it will be different because it is my show. So you really haven't demonstrated how this "penis-size" strategy will work. The next guy will simply watch the ego-deflating coverage, smirk, and say what a loser my school shooting is going to be so much cooler.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (kQl8p)

659 643
Reminds me of the time Reagan was shot and news media said someone was
killed. Later, it turned out he was still alive and I forget who the ABC
news anchor was that day but he was pissed about it on the air.


Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 04:33 PM

That was James Brady who was reported dead but was still alive in the emergency room. His wife is gun control fanatic Sarah Brady

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (wwsoB)

660 >> severe mental illness often strikes around 20.
The person can go from functional - school, work, girlfriend -- to psycho killer fairly quickly.

Yup

Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 04:35 PM (C/NnJ)

661 Ace, your prescription is flawed inone key way: ridiculing these murderers only works ex post facto, which assumes that humiliation is a deterrent. But by your own acknowledgement, humiliation isn't a deterrent, *it's the motivating factor*. Calling these murderers names in the hopes the next one won't kill someone is foolish, as the next one will simply say, "Oh yeah? I'LL SHOW YOU", and go ahead and prove it. Rationality does not work with the insane... that's why we call themthe insane.

Posted by: Disagree at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (JpC1K)

662 I've got a young daughter, and my paranoia at even letting her out of the fucking house is redlining right now. Christ, elementary schools now?

Posted by: UGAdawg at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (WYOrt)

663 Wait the Ryan who wasnt the school shooter did kill his girlfriend?

No, the Adam who was the shooter killed his own girlfriend, who was mistaken for his father.

I can see how that happened, though. She must have been carrying Mr. Lanza's ID.

Posted by: Phinn at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (oFH2D)

664 no, not frequently, but the onset of severe mental illness can be quick and often happens in late teens early 20s.

It's why a lot of people go crazy in college.
Buddy of mine had a guy in law school go paranoid nuts his 1st year. 6 months prior that guy had been a top student, great LSAT test taker, responsible guy. 6 months later he was a nutter, refusing to bathe, and screaming about plots against him.

It happens.

My psychiatrist friend always advises people to never marry anybody under 25 for exactly this reason.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (ZPrif)

665 Wait the Ryan who wasnt the school shooter did kill his girlfriend?



I'm thinking.more Adam killed Ryan's gf.

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (wsGWu)

666 >> Because in all my life I don't know a single person who just snapped and went violent.

Well then it clearly never happens.

Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (C/NnJ)

667 Hey, last week, I went to have lunch with my kindergarten student. I went to the office to sign in myself and her little twin brothers.

When I walked into the class, the teacher (who is a substitute and doesn't know me from Adam) says, "Hey, are you the lunch parent?" The lunch parent is supposed to come help watch the class and read books and such during lunch. I said, "No," but was asked to watch the class while the teacher went out in search for some lunch. (Apparently, she needed a can opener.) She said she'd be gone a minute.

Thirty minutes later she finally returned. She left campus to go to a fast food restaurant w/out letting the office even know that she'd left.

But the school admin hadn't even supplied this month-long substitute (a whole 'nother issue going on) with a key to get in and out of the classroom (which is a mobile unit directly next to a main road and with no security).

Why this sub trusted me so much, I don't know. But I was a bit bothered to think my child might be left in the care of some random guardian, mother or father I don't even know or that's been approved by the school. Hmm.

Years from now, our society will realize that all our "progress" in fact created a growing disaster of humanity.

Posted by: whobewut at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (W5c4e)

668 I don't say "he's insane, so treat him." Fuck that. Kill him.


Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 04:31 PM (LCRYB)

We have an old family friend who is a psychiatrist.

He is against the death penalty except for those who act out of some psycho-pathological basis.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (GsoHv)

669 I'm going to wait to see if the media starts reporting that there are bodies stacked up in the freezers at the Superdome and that people have resorted to cannibalism.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (nZvGM)

670 May his name be erased from the book of life. Beach is right. It is Murder and Mayhem Theater. The last act of a truly sick person. He wants to leave life in a grandiose fashion that he could never achieve while living.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (jucos)

671 @644
Known unknowns and unknown unknowns. I always liked that quote.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (t06LC)

672
Well, I'll bet this "mentally ill" shooter was a h.s. grad and probably had a few college credits.

He might've had some issues with anger and depression, but he had all his faculties, I'm guessing.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (G/zuv)

673 And as a nonbeliever, I'm not so much offended as amused by the suggestion -- not explicitly said, but lurking around -- that because I don't have Christ in my life I'm an elevated risk to commit a mass murder.


I don't think it is as black and white as "Christ in your life." You are taking it too literally.

It's the foundation of a nation based on certain value and principles.

My husband, an agnostic (which I call too diplomatic), was raised in a family that was a mostly Christian family (mother is Catholic) and his parents were brought up on "Christian values" (call it what you want: knowing what is right or wrong and living from a solid foundation of thought).

So, basically, my husband's value system was based on the Judeo-Christian foundation.

It is simply what has been instilled in a person - whether one knows it or not.

Of course there is bad in every religion/group of people.

But, one thing I will say. As a woman, Sharia is bad for all women. The foundation of these teachings is inherently cruel.

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (LpQbZ)

674 @643--Jim Brady, the Press Sec'y. Frank Reynolds was reporting it on ABC when the flash came in.

I was a psych major (yeah, that explains it) and had several encounters with the mentally ill. I had a more tolerant view of them until my mom and I were accosted by a hobo on Michigan Ave. Lets just say I was glad I was wearing steel-toed boots that day.

As I've grown up and had a family, I don't see any other option but to lock these people away.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (Ec6wH)

675 OK, so there's a body at the mother's house, and a body at the shooter's house, but the mother was killed at the school



so who is dead at the mother's house

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (8sCoq)

676 With men schizophrenia usually starts in the teen years. Women a bit later.

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (wsGWu)

677 Theater; exactly.

Like I say, he's the gun trying to outrun the ball of flame, the big bomb, behind him. Or the one who dies in Act 3.

Media: don't give it to him!

Posted by: PJ at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (ZWaLo)

678 667

i hope you filed a complaint with the principal, the district and pulled your kid out until the situation was remedied

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (GVxQo)

679 "Is my Ayn Rand side showing?"

if that's what you wanna call it. i just found it weird

Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (60GaT)

680 there is no way to fix this

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 04:30 PM (q177U)

Libs will try.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (zpqa2)

681 jones

probably the mother's husband

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (GVxQo)

682
Well then it clearly never happens.

That's a stupid conclusion, Andy. Why do you say that? Because I sure didn't say it or even infer it. You said it.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (G/zuv)

683 when you say "it's become a lifestyle," surely you're not postulating a time when this was not true.
When I say "it's become a lifestyle," I mean that it's become an accepted option in our culture. Once upon a time the Marquis de Sade was frowned upon. Today, people walk through San Francisco in fetish gear with ball gags in their mouths and we're not allowed to express our disgust because that's considered BAD.

It has nothing to do with being Christian. It's about having some basic human decency and respect for your fellow man. I don't want to sit somewhere that has just been sat upon by a naked fat man, even if the naked fat man thinks it's his right to sit there and I shouldn't be oppressing him with my desire that he be clothed. When all we care about is satiation and indulgence of our own selfish desires, then we lose interest in the sanctity of the lives and desires of those around us.

When Tiny Dick Babykiller decided to kill these people, he did it out of selfishness. He did it because of envy, or anger, or hate, or any of the deadly sins. He let himself be controlled by his own selfish desires. THAT is what I mean when I blame degraded culture and bankrupt society for horror shows like this. When there is no solid moral code that forces individuals to subsume some of their selfishness in order to live harmoniously with those around them, then you end up with untethered people who have no idea how to act in a civilized world.

"Thou shalt not kill" isn't just some religious claptrap. It's the basis of pretty much every law and code of behavior in every civilized nation. It just happens to also be in the Bible, too. Aristotle preached moderation in all things; he wasn't a Christian warning against sin. These things are not based in any religion, and adherence to them has nothing to do with being religious. It's about being a decent human being.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (4df7R)

684 I briefly dated a girl in college who was quirky, but functional. Smart girl, responsible. Pretty quirky. Very, very pretty.

Ran into her a few years later (she was 23 or so by then) and she was unkempt and convinced her father and all the neighborhood men had molested her in Satanic rituals when she was an infant. She'd gone from quirky to nuts in 2-3 years.

She was still semi-functional but clearly heading down a terrible path.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (ZPrif)

685 Schizophrenia onset in mid 20's is very common. My grandmother went full schizo at that age when my mom and aunt were little kids.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (G0eua)

686 >>We are in the we don't know what we don't know stage.




Welcome to America 2012

Thanks to the Frankfurt School for just about all of it.



Posted by: ontherocks at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (aZ6ew)

687 >probably the mother's husband

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (GVxQo)


a stepfather then?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:40 PM (8sCoq)

688
If there were no motherf'ers there would be no mothers. Ban motherf'ers!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 14, 2012 04:40 PM (n/ubI)

689 You can outlaw guns, but then what do we have, psycho's will still be killing people, (reference, NH psycho's that killed an innocent mother a few years back, with Machetes' -- because guns were too hard for them to get....and that's in what used to be a lax state, to some extent).

....and many of the killers will be outlaws using guns to kill people....guns that they have obtained illegally, and now they know they have free rain because no one else has guns...I won't be there to protect your liberal ass. (case in point, in the 70's gun control activists put signs on their front yard, "gun free house", they were all taken down within two weeks, because all the houses had been robbed at gunpoint).....when criminals know you don't have guns they will be more brazen and come after those who do not have them.

The liberal nihilist amoral society without "shame" as mentioned above is the real reason for today's carnage.



Posted by: John Stark Die at December 14, 2012 04:40 PM (PALjS)

690 Jolly Rodger, thanks for the correction. The intellectually honest will admit to such a concept.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:40 PM (oQmCC)

691 It's funny how we all want to chime in with our answers. Our version of what and why.

because people need to talk these things out

it's natural, and a good thing

Posted by: beach at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (LpQbZ)

692 >>>Well, I'll bet this "mentally ill" shooter was a h.s. grad and probably had a few college credits.

You'd be amazed how quickly an IQ can drop once one is arrested and charged with capital murder.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (0Ufr+)

693 Fox said that Adam(the shooter) was carrying Ryan's ID.

"Developmentally disabled", my ass. He couldn't get to kill his brother, so he just destroyed his life.

There. Is. No. Hell. Hot. Enough.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (GBXon)

694 "And as a nonbeliever, I'm not so much offended as amused by the suggestion -- not explicitly said, but lurking around -- that because I don't have Christ in my life I'm an elevated risk to commit a mass murder."

That isn't the argument. Though that probably is what a narcissistic person would take the argument to be. The argument is that as Christianity, original sin et. al. recede as a motivating factor in life, at the margins this behavior will become more prevalent.

Posted by: tennvols87 at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (kQl8p)

695 "She was still semi-functional but clearly heading down a terrible path."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 14, 2012 04:39 PM (ZPrif)

But was she still good in the sack?

Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (GsoHv)

696 What's the magazine capacity of a machete? umm...never mind.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM (G0eua)

697 Is every politician in the country going to weigh in, I hope? Because all I could think of was, I wonder what Huckabee has to say?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (MPjT8)

698 Hucksterbee is on Fox now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (oQmCC)

699 He is against the death penalty except for those who act out of some psycho-pathological basis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 14, 2012 04:36 PM (GsoHv)



That's interesting and pretty much the opposite position from most death penalty opponents. Not to put words in his mouth but I'm presuming it's a variant of you have to put down a rabid dog. I do believe there are some people who are just evil and wrong and there is nothing that will stop them other than extermination.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (VtjlW)

700 Frank Reynolds.

Thanks, I had trouble trying to remember his name. He was visibly upset when info came in that Brady was still alive not dead as reported earlier in the day.

Posted by: dantesed at December 14, 2012 04:43 PM (GmsM/)

701 676 With men schizophrenia usually starts in the teen years. Women a bit later.


Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 04:37 PM (wsGWu)

Yeah, right when they put on the wedding ring....

/runs out fo the thread

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 14, 2012 04:43 PM (lZBBB)

702 The only way to guarantee this never happens is for everyone in the world to spend the rest of their lives in a cell.
.
We're programmed to fix things but it almost seems we do more harm than good in the process.
.
Will never say we shouldn't try, but it helps to learn things and stay calm.
.
People want a quick or sure answer and those are rare.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at December 14, 2012 04:43 PM (5qkWa)

703 Is every politician in the country going to weigh in, I hope? Because all I could think of was, I wonder what Huckabee has to say?
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (MPjT

His self righteous bullshit pushes my angry button. I just want to scream STFU AND GO AWAY.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (3Y7RV)

704 This is just the beginning 12-21-2012, the end of days...

Posted by: Douglass at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (Vi1ue)

705 698
Hucksterbee is on Fox now.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:42 PM (oQmCC)


I didn't disagree with anything he said.....

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (X6akg)

706 You make a good point. I think we should take the killer's naked body and stake it to a wall in a public place and let people throw garbage at it and ridicule it. Then we should comb through their history and post on the internet every shameful, small, disgusting fact about their pathetic life and give no air time to any good they ever did.

If we make them small and despised in the eyes of the world, we might get less of this kind of crap. It is definitely worth the experiment.

Posted by: Shame Them at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (w+4Xb)

707 @690

No problem. It's just a great quote. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought so.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (t06LC)

708 Tami, the message is decent. I just don't trust the self serving messenger.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (oQmCC)

709 Is this country under the judgement of God or something? You all know how this will play out, more pressure to limit gun ownership. It is almost like God is allowing this evil form of government to take a stranglehold on every aspect of American life, including the future ability to resist this government by arms. We must have really pissed off the big man. Maybe spitting on freedom for decades has a huge generations long price. I feel sorry for the still large percentage of freedom lovers in this country, what suffering is seeming to be in store for us all.

Posted by: Jehu at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (cSD32)

710 708
Tami, the message is decent. I just don't trust the self serving messenger.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (oQmCC)


And I don't disagree with you either....not a Huckabee fan.

Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (X6akg)

711
Oh, jeesh, don't remind me of two bit politicians having to weigh in. Post 9/11 when people were desparate for information, every asshole pol in LA had to say 2 minutes of nothing on the air. What a bunch of losers!

Posted by: Walkers! at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (0Ufr+)

712 693
Fox said that Adam(the shooter) was carrying Ryan's ID.



"Developmentally disabled", my ass. He couldn't get to kill his brother, so he just destroyed his life.



There. Is. No. Hell. Hot. Enough.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:41 PM

Well if there is any grain of truth to this report and Adam killed his brother's GF too. Well prayers for Ryan too.

Posted by: Long Island at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (hl8SI)

713 new thread

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (q177U)

714 >
Frank Reynolds.

Thanks, I had trouble trying to remember his name.



I remember Frank Reynolds. He was adamant about reporting the facts, nothing more, nothing less. The newsmen of his generation were all generally like that, until Cronkite and Rather came along.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (8sCoq)

715 Schizophrenia is fucking terrible, and sadly it has killed or destroyed a good part of my family.

My uncle was a highly ranked highschool wrestler. Being recruited for college. Good grades. Girlfriend.

Then BAM! Schizophrenia his Jr year of high school. Institutionalized at 18. Hung himself at 23.

Posted by: Lauren at December 14, 2012 04:46 PM (wsGWu)

716 I didn't disagree with anything he said.....
Posted by: Tami at December 14, 2012 04:44 PM (X6akg)


And thats what he does. The great panderer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 14, 2012 04:46 PM (3Y7RV)

717 Jolly Rodger, it is a more pretty version of a few axioms.

"No plan survives contact with the enemy."
"Murphy was an optimist."
"Hope for the best, plan for the worst."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 14, 2012 04:46 PM (oQmCC)

718 CNN - Obama's crocodile tears.

Posted by: Douglass at December 14, 2012 04:47 PM (Vi1ue)

719 He was adamant about reporting the facts, nothing
more, nothing less. The newsmen of his generation were all generally
like that, until Cronkite and Rather came along.


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (8sCoq)

This is what resulted in an inability to think critically. The culture now expects the media to tell it how to think. And it obliges.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 14, 2012 04:48 PM (zpqa2)

720 Is this country under the judgement of God or something?

At this stage, I am inclined to believe so.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 14, 2012 04:49 PM (GBXon)

721 Where are all the white trolls at????
I'm trying to work and lurk at the same time....and you guys go and ban the troll when I was just finishing up for the day and coming in to trounce him. .I get so pissed at them I can't hold back sometimes, I know we are not supposed to feed the trolls. I was lurking through the comments and kept seeing everyone flaming him....and I'm thinking...if just finish this one more item I can go flame the troll!

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 14, 2012 04:52 PM (PALjS)

722 "...until Cronkite and Rather came along."

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 14, 2012 04:45 PM (8sCoq)

I taught them everything I knew.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at December 14, 2012 04:53 PM (GsoHv)

723 The law of right and wrong is in every heart, evident to everyone UNTIL it is suppressed, willfully through whatever means that hardens the heart. Name the poison, when it gets in the system, the only way out usually manifests in some heinous way.

As many have said above, this isn't new.

I thought Ace's post was excellent.

Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 04:53 PM (qwUGR)

724 "Is my Ayn Rand side showing?"

if that's what you wanna call it. i just found it weird
Posted by: JDP at December 14, 2012 04:38 PM (60GaT)
----
That's what it is, its not what I call it.
To put more bluntly - don't coddle the mentally deficient, let nature take its course on them. If anything, channel the money to the other end of the spectrum, but the other end doesn't need perpetual eggshell walking care for life.

Posted by: Whatev at December 14, 2012 04:54 PM (2t6Gz)

725 I don't care about this guy's alleged 'mental illness', or how he snapped. He was just another gutless loser that was incapable of functioning in society, or dealing with the intricacies of an adult relationship. Sure he lashed out...but now because his gf rejected him...or he overdrew his bank account....or he didn't get that all important promotion from Assistant Box Folder, to Senior Box Folder, he's just a cold slab of dead meat. A vicious, uneducated, and socially retarded coward, reaping his just reward. Good riddance.


Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 14, 2012 04:55 PM (L7hol)

726 181 Oh well, how long before TSA gropers are hired to check in everyone entering a school building?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 14, 2012 03:28 PM (wwsoB)

Don't even joke about that... I can totally see it.. =/

Posted by: KG at December 14, 2012 04:55 PM (p7BzH)

727 720 Brother Cavil,

God walks in all of us, not that we are God but we and he are in a rather co-dependant relationship.

We need god's guidance lest we fuck up his gift and creation and God is desperate in wanting souls to choose to engage in the contrition and devotion necessary to work in His plan.

The train fell off the tracks somewhere.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 14, 2012 04:56 PM (LRFds)

728
Totally agree with Ace and others. I am all for the public exposing and shaming of this insect's life and have thought something like this has been necessary for a long time. UnfortunatelyI have never done anything to make it happen.
Subject this asshole's pathetic lifetounending mockery and eternal humiliation. I'd like to suggest that after an appropriate period of time, when there are also numerous embarrasing pieces of information known which can form the basisfor a very personalrechristening, that his legal name bereplaced so that hewill only be referencedby his worst photos, his newshame name(e.g. rope pusher, pindick, etc), and a record of his hall of shame loserdom failures excluding details of his horrific crime (other than to note that he committed an atrocity).
Unrelated to my thought about eventually ceasing to use his name, is the caution to make 100% sure that no info about the wrong person gets posted. I know everyone realizes this already, buta reminder can't hurt. I don't know how many identifiers are needed to insure that a mistake isnt made, but it is far more than only name and city. I have traditional, common first and last namesand in my own smallsuburb there are 5 people with the same name as me, including one married to a woman with the same name as my wife. In the medium sized city(~500K)welive adjacent to, there are more than 20 people with the same name as me. Lots ofthe same for my hometown, college, etc.

Posted by: Prindle at December 14, 2012 04:56 PM (2Ynt1)

729 test

Posted by: wheatie at December 14, 2012 04:57 PM (K4wCe)

730 watching women crush live mice under their boots.



Posted by: ace at December 14, 2012 03:29 PM (LCRYB)

Uhh, I would say that guys who get off on that are on the same line as the psychopaths...

Posted by: KG at December 14, 2012 04:58 PM (p7BzH)

731 We don't know what the fuck the real story is, but stay tuned...here's a few words from our sponsors. We'll be back with more baseless speculation shortly.

Posted by: The MSM at December 14, 2012 05:04 PM (hNXHo)

732 Schizophrenia is inherited. I know way too many people who have ignored this fact and had children anyway.
And then are just shocked when " little Bobby" gets scary crazy at around 20...

Posted by: Christmasghost at December 14, 2012 05:05 PM (r2mIz)

733 As many have said above, this isn't new.



I thought Ace's post was excellent.

Posted by: gw mclintock at December 14, 2012 04:53
_ _ _ _ _ _ _
And his post is the adult response that a responsible media should take. It would be great if someone with connections would take the salient points and concepts of this post and present them to the editors and producers at most of the national media outlets....or perchance, members of congress. I guess I could start by writing to all my members of congress.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 14, 2012 05:06 PM (PALjS)

734
If I were the media, I'd allow myself to get very personal in publishing accounts of these guys. Personal, and nasty.
But thats not what will happen. the media will get personal and nasty with targets of political and cultural opportunity completely unrelated to the shooting.
Talk shows will have one question for Republicans: "Isnt right wing extremism to blame for this shooting, Congressperson X, and why wont yourepudiate Rush Limbaugh"?
The same talk shows will have one question for Democrats" "Senator Y, isnt right wing extremism to blame for this shooting and why wont Republicansrepudiate Rush Limbaugh?"
the largerissuesarising fromchildren murdered by a psycho will somehow escape media notice. those angel kids went straight to heaven and this guywill soon gostraight to hell.

Posted by: MikeD at December 14, 2012 05:06 PM (p8QOg)

735 191 "It is long past the time when we should have armed teachers in every school in the nation."
Why would we want to have a bunch of armed public-sector union thugs around?

Posted by: shifty1 at December 14, 2012 05:15 PM (HzZR2)

736 You've touched upon a very important part of how previous, healthy societies dealt with such issues: shaming. The United States used to have a robust shame culture, in spite of having a lot more guns and probably just as many psychopaths. Shame culture kept a lot of these people in line, or at least made certain their families couldn't just ignore them. Passing the buck off to someone else for your psychopathic relative simply wasn't an option.

The disappearance of that shame culture -- overcompensation for actual bullying, the Me Generation wanting consequence-free pseudo-freedoms, and generally a lot of what the Left even now insists on fighting for -- is a large chunk of why things like this happen. Part of the reason the Left insists on blaming guns is to avoid an honest look in the mirror and the true cost of their pursuit of not happiness, but consequence-free lifestyles.

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at December 14, 2012 05:25 PM (mMtFx)

737 The father is still alive and is cooperating with police.

Posted by: Victoria at December 14, 2012 07:08 PM (Gr8tW)

738 ... masterful men do not have to kill people to let the world know "I exist"...

Which explains 'sports hunting'. ;-)

Posted by: zuch at December 14, 2012 08:20 PM (DOMqh)

739
Shame, guilt, and anger are the spiraling feelings which are part of the depression-aniety cycle. The guy probably acted on the basis of this cycle, many people can suppress or ignore the this spiral but some (including myself) are unable to recognize the dangers.
People can try to shame you or assign guilt to you, but usually it doesn't stick unless you've really done something bad. So in effect, the only true shame is probably only from your own actions. I don't think that "shaming" this killer would have much of a effect, because he, in essence was trying to "one up" his own shame. Other people who achieve his mindset will also act out of a need to "one up" their own shame, so I wouldn't advise wasting timw on shaming the killer, but rather trying to identify the problem.

Posted by: Kyle at December 14, 2012 10:11 PM (GESBM)

740 This is, by far, the most sensible thing I've read on the subject. I hope everyone who reads this will post links on other sites, where they are playing up the "Satanic Evil" line.

Posted by: George LeS at December 15, 2012 11:14 AM (C4s3i)

741 You're snapping the towel at this kid which I guess is a conventional heteronormative response. I've overheard guys say "they should have taken him alive, cut his dick off and shoved it in his mouth" or "I wish i had just one hour with him, a pair of plyers, and a bottle of bleach." You're just a pack of bullies. And your football coach lexicon is unequal to the task in this case. It's a cowardly retreat into chest thumping. A lot of good that will do anyone after the fact. Good day sir. p.s. just because you post pictures of cheerleaders (who are hot) doesn't mean you're getting in ass....Ace.

Posted by: bobp at December 16, 2012 01:58 AM (um9UQ)

742 Actually, e.g., the UTexas Tower shooter (Witman) seems to have been convinced he was releasing his wife and mother from a vale of tears when he killed them before ascending the clock tower. Perhaps to extend his mercy more widely. Narcissistic psychopathy, yes, but not seeing himself as an agent of evil.

Posted by: Gandydancer at December 17, 2012 10:40 AM (n7NRy)

743
Effing Martin Bashir just showed a video of aBushmaster .223 shooting all by itself. I watch so you dont have to!

Posted by: t-dubyah-d at December 18, 2012 04:07 PM (WX65W)






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