Steyn on the BBC's Chief Pedophile, Jimmy Savile

Punchy.

Savile was cheerfully unburdened. Rather than a celebrity who happens to be a pedophile, he seems to have been a pedophile who became a celebrity in order to facilitate being a pedophile. Robbers rob banks because that's where the money is. In the Sixties, Savile became a star disc jockey in Britain's nascent pop biz because that's where the 14-year-old nymphettes are. In the Seventies, he became a kiddie-TV host because that's where the nine-year-old moppets are. He became a celebrity volunteer with his own living quarters at children's hospitals and homes because that's where the nine-year-olds too infirm to wiggle free or too mentally ill to protest are. He persuaded various institutions to give him keys to the mortuary because that's where the nine-year-olds unable even to cry out are. (Stoke Mandeville Hospital is now investigating whether he "interacted inappropriately" with corpses.)

Steyn doesn't really write about what I'm really interested in-- which is the vicious weakness and malevolent cowardice of the BBC staff and British governmental establishment which enabled serial pedophilia and serial pedophilic rape for four decades.

I'm not terribly interested in Savile, the Pedophile Rapist. I assume that such types are operating in our society at all times.

It's not the single pedophile rapist that fascinates and sickens me -- it's hundreds of people in a position to act who nevertheless facilitate the ongoing rapes and molestations, because -- why? Why exactly? It's good for their career? They've got an eye on a rather minor promotion and they don't want to jeopardize it by bringing up this whole "rape" business?

Why?

We saw this at Penn State. But Penn State's football program was small, and everyone knew each other. It was intimate.

Here we have a pedophile -- and actually, a pedophile who frequently made jokes (not so much jokes as cocky admissions) about having sex with underage girls -- who was reported to the police several times. And who literally hundreds of people worked around, and were therefore in a position to notice little things like him going up to his office, or out to his Sex Caravan, with underage girls.

Here we have a man suspected of pedophilia being given the keys to a children's hospital -- and I don't mean that metaphorically. I mean he asked for, and was given, his own set of keys to the place, to all the wings, to the places where the mentally handicapped girls were. And his own office in the place, too. And Bedrooms Too: His own bedrooms in multiple children's hospitals. Because... he had to nap? Thanks to Tasker.

Because he was a Celebrity. And did some fundraising. I have never heard of a fundraiser who needed the keys to the secure wings of a children's hospital, though.

No one seemed to ask why he couldn't raise children's spirits - or whatever he claimed -- during normal daylight working hours when there were witnesses around. No one asked why he needed keys to access wings once they were shut down for the day and the children were sleeping and there were only a few nurses to keep an eye out over the whole place.

Apparently children especially need some spirit-raising at night, when they're sleeping.

What sort of vicious weaklings does the BBC hire? What sort of malevolent cowards are attracted to that organization?

Posted by: Ace at 01:45 PM



Comments

1 I don't get the uproar.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 13, 2012 01:47 PM (QKKT0)

2 "Interacted inappropriately?"

Orwell was correct, and we have lost the battle if this is how they describe necrophilia.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 01:47 PM (GsoHv)

3 Steven Crowder and pedophile rapists.

Two things the MFM will NEVER report on.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

4 Okay, he transgressed some boundaries.

Posted by: The BBC at December 13, 2012 01:48 PM (QKKT0)

5 What sort of vicious weaklings does the BBC hire? What sort of malevolent cowards are attracted to that organization?


The same sort of people who are in the IBEW, UAW, SEIU, etc.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 01:48 PM (XkWWK)

6
OT (bidgaf)
This figures. Link @ nic.

Posted by: maddogg at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (OlN4e)

7 They have children's hospitals?

Posted by: Hairy Reed at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (QKKT0)

8 6
OT (bidgaf)
This figures. Link @ nic.

---

At least they chose somebody this time instead of putting a mirrored surface on the issue again.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:50 PM (e0xKF)

9 BBC is full of moral midgets.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (4+0nx)

10 I say whack his pee-pee!!!

Posted by: Killerdog at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (nieyS)

11 Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Obama is a fucking Communist.

Is it any surprise that the BBC, the ultimate in Media Bias, didn't give a shit?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (zlvkY)

12 Wrong angle.

This isn't a story about Sevile or even the BBC. It's about the NHS.

No private hospital in the US would even think of handing over a set of keys to such a man or leaving a non-employee alone with kids. Wouldn't even give it a thought. They'd be held liable if he managed to sneak in by breaking a window and knocking out the guards, let alone giving him the key.

But the NHS? Meh, what do they care?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:52 PM (T0NGe)

13
I say whack his pee-pee!!!

He's already dead.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (jUytm)

14 I mean he asked for, and was given, his own set of keys to the place, to all the wings, to the places where the mentally handicapped girls were. And his own office in the place, too.

_________________

He also asked and received his own--


bedroom.

*****

He was given bedrooms or an office at three hospitals, and yesterday more former patients came forward to say he abused them on children’s wards.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-

2216489/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-set-Broadmoor-keys-

How-sick-star-access-mentally-ill-patients.html

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (r2PLg)

15 But the NHS? Meh, what do they care?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:52 PM (T0NGe)

An astute observation. And it is our future.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (GsoHv)

16 Savile was a genius!

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (yn6XZ)

17 13
I say whack his pee-pee!!!

He's already dead.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (jUytm)


Whack it anyway.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM (nieyS)

18 Google Corey Haim and " the lost boys" with words like sexual abuse. it is sickening. Child rape was an open secret. Maybe that's why Whoopi thought it wasn't "rape rape" . Feminist Outrage? crickets. Loathsome.

Posted by: Mac at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM (0J18b)

19 And Ace...."truculent." Is that the vocabulary word of the day?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM (GsoHv)

20 So there's necrophilia now too? Great. It got ickier.


I have not thought this through very far, mainly because I don't want to, but is there maybe some connection between this and how the Beeb doesn't seem to give a fuck about the various sex slavery homes that have been discovered in the UK recently? You know, the ones primarily being run by members of a certain Religion of Peace? It makes a certain bizarre kind of sense that the BBC wouldn't find such things to be a big deal because they didn't care when their own guy did it.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:55 PM (VtjlW)

21 So was the new Army manual written by the BBC?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 13, 2012 01:55 PM (81UWZ)

22 Oh and today is the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

Happy Baby Killing Day!!!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 01:55 PM (zlvkY)

23
What sort of vicious weaklings does the BBC hire?


The answer is in the question.


Sadly.

Posted by: crisis du jour at December 13, 2012 01:55 PM (J1eJz)

24 I don't know what he looks like, but all he would've needed to do to secure a lifetime Get Out of Jail Free pass with the BBC is to claim he's Palestinian.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 01:56 PM (SY2Kh)

25 I can read Steyn's article and hear his voice in my head.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:56 PM (GQ8sn)

26 Ask the BBC and they'll tell you that they're Very Important. Essential even. A public trust. How would revealing Savile's crimes benefit the BBC? If we stop him now, what would we say when we're asked why we didn't stop him before?

Terribly awkward. And, really, what's the point of having State run media if you turn around and let it report things harmful to the State? That'd be downright irresponsible.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (T3KlW)

27 Only Democrats care about skin color

Posted by: K-Bob at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (GzInu)

28 It's a government supported broadcasting organization. Which means it attracts some of the greatest scum of the earth.

You're not surprised, are you?

Posted by: Greg Q at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (4Pleu)

29 The same sort of people who are in the IBEW, UAW, SEIU, etc.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


More SEIU than the private unions.

Remember the BBC is a defacto arm of the UK government Citizens are under threat of prosecution if they don't pay BBC fees.

State controlled media is corrupt by definition.

I can only hope that this mess makes the UK peeps a lot less trusting in their Ministry of Ministries.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (TtXjG)

30 Alexthechick, I remember some Saudis trying that racket here in the US. Bring in their imported help, keep their passports, and treat them as slaves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (4+0nx)

31 I don't know what he looks like, but all he would've needed to do to
secure a lifetime Get Out of Jail Free pass with the BBC is to claim
he's Palestinian.


Picture what a child molester looks like in your mind. Got it? Now put him in garish clothing like what Russell Brand wears and oversized sunglasses.

That's Savile.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:58 PM (GQ8sn)

32 I got nuthin.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:58 PM (KXm42)

33 When God and virtue is laughed at and scorned, this is what we get.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:58 PM (OqZHj)

34 Hey guys, lay off. It's Europe. You know how they are so much more sexually liberated than we Americans are with all our sexual hang-ups. Maybe this Saville guy went a little too far, but youcan't find boundaries until you push for them

Posted by: Lee (in KY) at December 13, 2012 01:59 PM (jgXna)

35 29 Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (TtXjG)


Should've said teachers unions.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (XkWWK)

36 Well, we aren't the BBC, but we're going to take a cue from them, and from the Catholic Cardinals in the 70's and 80's here, and move Kevin Clash over to another diocese. I believe it's called "Avenue Q."

Posted by: PBS Ombudsman at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (GzInu)

37 "He became a celebrity volunteer with his own living quarters at children's hospitals and homes because that's where the nine-year-olds too infirm to wiggle free or too mentally ill to protest are."

So sad that he died of natural causes.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (fWAjv)

38 I hate pedophiles. I want them dead. Unfortunately, our courts have determined that this is not a crime that rises to the death penalty level.

But, the BBC decided it was not a crime at all.

Posted by: huerfano at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (bAGA/)

39
Adds new meaning to the term "Saville Row suit."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 02:01 PM (XkWWK)

40 24 I don't know what he looks like, but all he would've needed to do to secure a lifetime Get Out of Jail Free pass with the BBC is to claim he's Palestinian.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 01:56 PM (SY2Kh)

_____________

He looks like The Mad Hatter.

I was trying to think why someone would want and ask for a bedroom in a psych ward.

Are they trying to live some Alice in Wonderland thing--and then I saw his picture.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:01 PM (r2PLg)

41 So sad that he died of natural causes.

Don't worry. I've got it covered.

Posted by: Satan at December 13, 2012 02:01 PM (SY2Kh)

42 >>>Hey guys, lay off. It's Europe. You know how they are so much more
sexually liberated than we Americans are with all our sexual hang-ups.

What the fuck? Don't tell me about American sexual hang-ups. I'm rubbing one out right now.

And I'm at a BW3s for lunch.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (zlvkY)

43 sted by: PBS Ombudsman at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (GzInu)
37 "He became a celebrity volunteer with his own living quarters at children's hospitals and homes because that's where the nine-year-olds too infirm to wiggle free or too mentally ill to protest are."

So sad that he died of natural causes.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (fWAjv)

I hope he likes Satan's barbed cock.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (nieyS)

44
Brit elites have always been pretty vile.

I think it comes from not slaughtering all the aristocrats, but you have to admit they are good for tourism.

Posted by: Invictus at December 13, 2012 02:03 PM (OQpzc)

45 I hope he likes Satan's barbed cock.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (nieyS)


Even Satan has some standards...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 13, 2012 02:03 PM (XvHmy)

46 We are living in a society that glamourizes celebrities. I believe its why we have the President that we do. It is deplorable and as the Bible says, 'it will be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and drowned in the deepest sea' Matthew 8:6. This includes the abusers and the enablers that allow them to continue to abuse.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at December 13, 2012 02:03 PM (encrR)

47
Pop in Jay? so what?

Posted by: BBC at December 13, 2012 02:03 PM (n/ubI)

48 Hey guys, lay off. It's Europe. You know how they are so much more

sexually liberated than we Americans are with all our sexual hang-ups.


I like to point out that Europe's abortion laws are MUCH more restrictive than anything we have here.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (T0NGe)

49 >>> And Ace...."truculent." Is that the vocabulary word of the day?

yeah it's not a good word. I'll change it.

It's a two-dollar word that isn't actually useful.

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (LCRYB)

50 >>>I hope he likes Satan's barbed cock.

He's shaved, so it seems like he's younger.

Posted by: Jimmy Savile at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (zlvkY)

51 42 >>>Hey guys, lay off. It's Europe. You know how they are so much more
sexually liberated than we Americans are with all our sexual hang-ups.

What the fuck? Don't tell me about American sexual hang-ups. I'm rubbing one out right now.

And I'm at a BW3s for lunch.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (zlvkY)

Managed to get one of the hot waitresses huh.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 13, 2012 02:05 PM (HiZxH)

52 This is unthinkable on a basic level.

When I think of various criminals, I can see myself committing similar crimes.

Bank robbery? Sure. Not really my cup of tea but....

Murder? It's not out of the realm of possibilities.

Banging a nine year old? That is on the other side of a very thick, obvious, uncrossable line. Just wander over to your kid's grade school during recess and try to imagine it. The reaction is immediate, visceral and unpleasant.

That's why these people are called monsters: because they really ARE monsters.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:05 PM (GsoHv)

53 yeah it's not a good word. I'll change it.

Why? Because somebody got truculent over it?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:05 PM (T0NGe)

54 Jimmy, if you're reading this, I've got three words for you:

Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 13, 2012 02:05 PM (5iuEW)

55 The same investigation needs to be done at PBs regarding Elmo

...and if you'll indulge my conspiratorial side, is it odd that the Elmo thing gained traction only after the election? It seems pretty convenient that this came to light only after Big Bird/Sesame were done being a political tool for Obama.

Posted by: taylork at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (ppNDn)

56 It's because leftists in Britain are mentally ill; it's really just that simple.


Leftism is a mental disorder; people espousing it ( believing in it and devoting their lives and careers to the Left ) are damaged, sick, dysfunctional people who should at least be fired and shunned--or killed, as an act of Mercy


Ban me if you want, but our civilization will die unless leftists are either completely banned from ANY position of influence, or killed


Their goal--their actual, ultimate goal--is to imprison or kill us. Every. single. one of us.

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (Dll6b)

57 Sevile looks like Joe Walsh on a bad acid trip !(with apologies to Joe)

Posted by: t=dubyah=d at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (WX65W)

58 This is a manifestation of the mantra of 'Let Authority (Police, Fire) take care of any problem.... don't get involved.... let someone ELSE take care of it...

Let those idiot Soldiers protect our country... Let Police protect us... because we are trained in school that getting involved gets us in trouble... that violence even in self defense gets you suspended...

Thus, it leads to a non involved Populace... one who is so trained to be helpless... that when even great evil confronts them, they are clueless as to how to confront it.... and also IMO manifests into low voter turnouts (because people feel powerless).

Many people 'knew' about this pedophile... yet they all were waiting for 'someone else' to stop it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (lZBBB)

59 "It's a two-dollar word that isn't actually useful."

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (LCRYB)

You misunderstand: I love the word. It's a good word. In fact it describes our 21-year-old perfectly, especially when he is drinking my expensive bourbon just to piss me off.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (GsoHv)

60 I like to point out that Europe's abortion laws are MUCH more restrictive than anything we have here.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (T0NGe)I hear the horrors of the NHS, but never the french system. It is a truly screwed up world when the french don't suck most.

Posted by: Invictus at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

61 Orwell was correct, and we have lost the battle if this is how they describe necrophilia.

Hey man, the ummm...corpses got got needs too.

He was just "courageous" enough to recognize this, and open minded enough to act selflessly in their behalf.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (gyVJ0)

62 I hope he likes Satan's barbed cock.
Posted by: Killerdog at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (nieyS)


----------------------------------------------


I'm actually hoping that his afterlife is pitch-black, cold, and despairingly lonely.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (OqZHj)

63 Oh crap--I made it above the fold--on this.

Damn it.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:08 PM (r2PLg)

64 Let's play 'Guess the City!'

Bill being considered:

Sleeping in public spaces such as sidewalks and parks
24/7 access to bathrooms, showers, water and clean syringes.
Car camping on city streets without restrictions
“Life sustaining activities” such as urinating and collecting recycling trash
Welfare cash payments
Meditating or praying in public
Panhandling
Payment for possessions seized in a roust
Right to refuse the offer of a homeless shelter
Right to a lawyer in most encounters with the law

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:08 PM (fWAjv)

65 I had to look up "truculent"

It's between "transvestite" and "Truman Capote" in the dictionary, so I got distracted.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 02:08 PM (zlvkY)

66 In fact it describes our 21-year-old perfectly, especially when he is drinking my expensive bourbon just to piss me off.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (GsoHv)


When I first met my FIL, he showed me where all the booze and beer was kept. (And he had a ton of it) He said "I got two rules, you drink enough that you puke and you'll never drink in my house again and don't drink anything on this (pointed to particular shelf) fucking shelf. Got it?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:09 PM (da5Wo)

67 The BBC is another place I never link to, and I rarely read anything they have to say.

That said, I don't think Europe in general is all that strict about pedophilia. And in reality, it wasn't often prosecuted here in the US all that vigorously until about 30 years ago.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 13, 2012 02:09 PM (ccXZP)

68 Posted by: Invictus at December 13, 2012 02:07 PM (OQpzc)

A friend used to live in The Hague. He wouldn't dream of going to a Dutch doctor. They drove to France for everything.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:10 PM (GsoHv)

69 Google image search reveals that I wouldn't let that creepy F anywhere near a child.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:10 PM (fWAjv)

70 >>>When I first met my FIL, he showed me where all the booze and beer was kept.

When I first met mine, he put a case of beer between us and said "So, you're fucking my daughter, huh? Have a beer."

Best. Golf. Partner. Of. All. Time.

I miss that fuckhead.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (zlvkY)

71 So I had a suspicion about this, having seen the images of Sevile and I was right. According to this guy: http://tinyurl.com/acckmsl (warning, link to HuffPo), the rumors were all that Sevile was gay.

Some UK morons might know better, but it would seem to me that much of the British public figured that this guy was a "man's man".

My theory is that he cultivated the "eccentric" look to make people think he was gay. Two reasons: (1) no one would suspect him if he was too close to girls and (2) people wouldn't ask questions about his sex life.

Kind of a BBC version of don't-ask-don't-tell.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (T0NGe)

72 A friend used to live in The Hague. He wouldn't dream of going to a Dutch doctor. They drove to France for everything.
---
Belgium still can't get any respect.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (eEfYn)

73 Let's play 'Guess the City!'



Bill being considered:



Sleeping in public spaces such as sidewalks and parks

24/7 access to bathrooms, showers, water and clean syringes.

Car camping on city streets without restrictions

“Life sustaining activities” such as urinating and collecting recycling trash

Welfare cash payments

Meditating or praying in public

Panhandling

Payment for possessions seized in a roust

Right to refuse the offer of a homeless shelter

Right to a lawyer in most encounters with the law



Las Vegas?

I saw most of that there going up and down the Strip during daylight hours.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (GQ8sn)

74 This is unthinkable on a basic level.

When you look at the full spectrum of behaviors exhibited over whole arc of human existence, its actually not too many standard deviations from the mean. People have done some pretty twisted fucked up shit over the millenia

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (gyVJ0)

75
35 29 Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (TtXjG)


Should've said teachers unions.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 02:00 PM (XkWWK)

----------

And other Govt Unions as well.
This is the sort of coverup isa symptomof institutional cronyism that always develops when accountability is discarded.

As Ace remarked on...it's similar to the Penn State debacle.
We also see it in our public schools, when bad teachers assault kids and are not fired.

Another example is the UAW members who were re-hired after being fired for drinking and smoking pot on their lunch breaks.


Posted by: wheatie at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (K4wCe)

76 Do they still have to refer to him as 'Sir' Jimmy Saville?

And his headstone looks like it would make a great toilet.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (fWAjv)

77 >>>They drove to France for everything.

Understood.

Posted by: Germany at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (zlvkY)

78 69 Google image search reveals that I wouldn't let that creepy F anywhere near a child.
Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:10 PM (fWAjv)

______________

Doesn't it look like he is doing a damn Mad Hatter thing?

He lured them in with--hey let's play Alice in Wonderland!

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (r2PLg)

79 I have sometimes been described as "fuculent."

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (QKKT0)

80 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:09 PM (da5Wo)

Yeah, just wait until one of your kids gets to be that age.

1. They are infinitely more intelligent than you are.
2. They have done far more things and have far more experience.
3. They carefully separate the idea that you are paying for their carefree life with your money from the idea that you have any say over their behavior.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (GsoHv)

81 We saw this at Penn State.

Yeah, the similarities are pretty interesting. The pedophiles are honing their 'game plan' while the indoctrination of society by the MSM to accept alternative 'expressions' of sexuality, no matter how abhorrent, has people (well, the lambs, anyway) unwilling or unable to raise the question of appropriateness or WTFness. Just do your job, prole, never-mind what is going on. You must be one of those judgmental conservative types, right? Now get out of my office.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (feFL6)

82 Punchy? This makes me stabby.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (evdj2)

83 Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 02:11 PM (GQ8sn)

San Fran. Actually a shocker that the proposal isn't weirder.

Perhaps the shit that goes down at Folsom Street Festival is legal already.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (fWAjv)

84 Posted by: Germany at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (zlvkY)

Hah!

Haven't seen you in a while.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (GsoHv)

85
75....*the sort of coverup that is a symptom of the institutional cronyism
argh.

Posted by: wheatie at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (K4wCe)

86 Here I come to hijack this thread.

I am in the middle of a nasty custody battle where my spouse is trying to prevent full visitation on the grounds that I made a suicide attempt and was hospitalized. She is claiming that I am mentally unstable. Even though the doctors made no diagnosis as far as serious mental illness and I am not prescribed any medication, my spouse will try to claim that I am an unfit parent and require supervised visitation.
I am going pro se, as I cannot afford a lawyer. She has a lawyer though.
I understand that I have parental rights that are protected by the Constitution but I am still very, very worried. I can prove that my daughter was never in any form of danger from me, and I can also submit evidence that I am mentally fit.
So am I screwed or what?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)

87 If this guy was muslim and and you all were in the Military, we would not be allowed to talk about this BY ORDER of the President!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (79ueO)

88 Bank robbery? Sure. Not really my cup of tea but....
Murder? It's not out of the realm of possibilities.
Banging a nine year old? That is on the other side of a very thick, obvious, uncrossable line. Just wander over to your kid's grade school during recess and try to imagine it. The reaction is immediate, visceral and unpleasant.

Bank robbery? Meh.
Murder? Doable. Without much imagination. For the right reasons. Like offing a sick fuck that molests nine year olds? Yeah. Doable. Without missing lunch.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 13, 2012 02:15 PM (GFM2b)

89 Punchy? This makes me stabby.

I'm thinking more along the lines of gibbety

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 02:15 PM (gyVJ0)

90 BBC - the state news channel for pedophiles reported by pedophiles?

Posted by: yerro at December 13, 2012 02:15 PM (ziNQN)

91 So am I screwed or what?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)


If you go as your own lawyer, yes. Don't they have legal aid up there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 02:15 PM (79ueO)

92 Yeah, just wait until one of your kids gets to be that age.

1. They are infinitely more intelligent than you are.
2. They have done far more things and have far more experience.
3.
They carefully separate the idea that you are paying for their carefree
life with your money from the idea that you have any say over their
behavior.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (GsoHv)


Hell, that's my 5 yr old daughter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (da5Wo)

93 >>>Haven't seen you in a while.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (GsoHv)

Been busy translating the names of all these new government agencies back into their mother tongue.They sound better that way.

Posted by: Germany at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (zlvkY)

94 76 Do they still have to refer to him as 'Sir' Jimmy Saville?

And his headstone looks like it would make a great toilet.
Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (fWAjv)



Actually I think it would make a good object to practice sledgehammer usage on.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (HiZxH)

95 What does Albions Abe Lincoln Midget and the dancing beds have to say about this?

Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (NIZHJ)

96 Yeah, the similarities are pretty interesting. The pedophiles are honing their 'game plan' while the indoctrination of society by the MSM to accept alternative 'expressions' of sexuality, no matter how abhorrent, has people (well, the lambs, anyway) unwilling or unable to raise the question of appropriateness or WTFness. Just do your job, prole, never-mind what is going on. You must be one of those judgmental conservative types, right? Now get out of my office.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (feFL6)


You're welcome!

Posted by: Alfred Kinsey at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (XvHmy)

97 Penn State. Does anyone not think that other schools may have or had similar problems to those unearthed at Penn State? You have coaching staffs at these universities being paid ungodly amounts of money along with access to young adoring middle-school and high-school fans eager to meet the coaches and players.

The NCAA needs to instigate a nation-wide review of all the coaching staffs at all of these schools. They need to question the staff and athletic departments thoroughly. The influence that the athletic departments have at these schools is immense and never questioned due to the large amounts of money they generate.

In my opinion, the entire athletic department at Penn State should have been wiped out completely and not allowed to reform for at least 10 years. But, that didn't happen - which just compounds the crimes already committed.

Oh, and yes, I hope Joe Paterno is sucking Donkey Dicks in Hell.

Posted by: Not and Artist at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (uRumV)

98 86 Here I come to hijack this thread.

I am in the middle of a nasty custody battle where my spouse is trying to prevent full visitation on the grounds that I made a suicide attempt and was hospitalized. She is claiming that I am mentally unstable. Even though the doctors made no diagnosis as far as serious mental illness and I am not prescribed any medication, my spouse will try to claim that I am an unfit parent and require supervised visitation.
I am going pro se, as I cannot afford a lawyer. She has a lawyer though.
I understand that I have parental rights that are protected by the Constitution but I am still very, very worried. I can prove that my daughter was never in any form of danger from me, and I can also submit evidence that I am mentally fit.
So am I screwed or what?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)

___________________________

So let me guess--your not quite poor enough to get a court appointed lawyer/

Or do they even do that kind of thing in Family Court?

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (r2PLg)

99 I used to prosecute these kinds of crimes. Predators operate in spheres that give them access to children. But not just any children, children with out dads or parents who are paying attention. The kind that end up in hospital or at The Second Mile. I knew a guy who would ask who the single mothers were, date them breifly and then offer to "help" them with their young boys, who did not have involved fathers.

Snadusky and Saville did the same thing. So did Michael Jackson. Infinitely more peopel had to pretend not to know or to look the other way than actually committed the crime.

People look the other way because they do not want to see. Even the mothers do not want to see. The adults who do not want to see often get some other kind of payoff to reinforce their willful blindness. The mothers get free time, and material items for themselves or their child. Institutions get a payoff by claiming they have caring involved adults who "go the extra mile", it make them look good to have employees who look like they are doing charitable work. I am sure BBC enjoyed basking in the reflected glow of Saville's good deeds while it lasted.

Everybody wins, until it is revealed.

Posted by: thunderb at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (Dnbau)

100 91: I tried to apply for legal aid, but they said they couldn't help me.
Couldn't I make a case on Constitutional grounds?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (5UlAL)

101 "So am I screwed or what?"

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)

Do you have any friends who are lawyers? Are there pro bono attorneys available for assistance? Look around, because this sounds like you need legal advice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (GsoHv)

102 So am I screwed or what?

Pretty much. First, by being the man but second, because if you don't have a similar accusation about her, then her getting custody does sound safer based on your very short paragraph.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (T0NGe)

103 Dang, if you renew Norton a few days early they steal a few days from you.

Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (NIZHJ)

104 98: You are correct. That is what they said.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (5UlAL)

105 fwiw -

Savile was also the UK head of the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes.

which doesn't make sense, because Savile didn't look at all like Brando.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (RuUvx)

106 I am in the middle of a nasty custody battle where
my spouse is trying to prevent full visitation on the grounds that I
made a suicide attempt and was hospitalized. She is claiming that I am
mentally unstable. Even though the doctors made no diagnosis as far as
serious mental illness and I am not prescribed any medication, my spouse
will try to claim that I am an unfit parent and require supervised
visitation.
I am going pro se, as I cannot afford a lawyer. She has a lawyer though.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)

First, get a lawyer.
No shit.
Second, her opinion doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is evidence.
"I'm depressed? Really? Do you have a medical report by a board-certified psychiatrist that I am depressed, unstable or otherwise unfit?"
Third, get a lawyer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (sbV1u)

107 Hell, that's my 5 yr old daughter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (da5Wo)

It gets much, much worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (GsoHv)

108 He looks like Marty Feldman.

Posted by: dantesed at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (ZB6+Z)

109 102: Well, I'm not going to fight her on custody. She can have sole physical custody. All I want is joint legal custody and unrestricted visitation.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (5UlAL)

110 Children's hospitals?

Hmmmm.......

What a fantastic idea....

Posted by: Roman Polanski at December 13, 2012 02:19 PM (gCa4h)

111 >>>Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (5UlAL)

I feel for ya brother.

You have testicles, right?

You're fucked. Ask for shared custody or something. If you dropped 25K on the best divorce lawyer out there I'd still give you a 1 in 30 shot.

"War on Women" and all that.

Posted by: Herr Morgeholz at December 13, 2012 02:19 PM (zlvkY)

112 Couldn't I make a case on Constitutional grounds?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (5UlAL)

You don't really want my legal advice. I'm a Dentist.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (79ueO)

113 Penn State. Does anyone not think that other schools may have or had similar problems to those unearthed at Penn State?

Probably not. Here's why: Nobody would think of letting a coach into a girls locker room. We have sex segregation for a reason. If Sandusky had had a penchant for girls, he would have had to get access in a different way.

Also, the problem there was not the football program but the kids' camp.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (T0NGe)

114 100 91: I tried to apply for legal aid, but they said they couldn't help me.
Couldn't I make a case on Constitutional grounds?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (5UlAL)

_____________________

Do you have any choice in the venue?

IOW are you both living in the same state?

Are you still Canadian...or dual citizen?

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (r2PLg)

115 Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.
I hope that won't make a difference.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (5UlAL)

116 Corpses? OMG, that is so cold...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (zpqa2)

117 Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.

Ooof. You're so fucked.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (/kI1Q)

118 You have testicles, right?

Not for long...

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (T0NGe)

119 So does this mean that comedians will replace their Catholic priest-pedophilia jokes with BBC celebrity-pedophilia jokes?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (kcbsg)

120 114: Still Canadian, not American. Doesn't make a difference, as we all know.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (5UlAL)

121 Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.
I hope that won't make a difference.Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (5UlAL)



Ah, so she's irrational.


You need a lawyer. Sell everything.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (sbV1u)

122 I'm going to circle back to the whole "attempted suicide / hospitalization' issue.

Should you be on medication - if custody issues weren't involved?

Should you be seeing a therapist - if custody issues weren't involved?

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (RuUvx)

123 109 102: Well, I'm not going to fight her on custody. She can have sole physical custody. All I want is joint legal custody and unrestricted visitation.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (5UlAL)

____________________

Oh man. That sounds reasonable enough.

All I can say is a good lawyer I know says--

a good lawyer always recommends settling out of court.

A bad lawyer gets you to court and then strings the thing out.

Something like that.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (r2PLg)

124 >>>Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.

I hope that won't make a difference.

Of course she is. Let me guess: plaid flannel judicial robes, a really short haircut, and a wicked hook when she bowls, right?

Posted by: Herr Morgeholz at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (zlvkY)

125 I wonder how much of this is allowed in Hollywood. I'm sure it's rampant and no one will ever find out about it. Corey Feldman's interview wasn't the first I suspected it. It was watching Toddlers and Tiaras and the Real for Housewives shows and seeing how desperate the mothers are for their child to be famous that they would do literally (and I don't mean virtually), pretty much anything to achieve this.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (DoZD+)

126 It gets much, much worse.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (GsoHv)



*sigh*

I know. I can only hope that I can teach her to be one of those independent, DIY type girls. Cause apparently us men find that emasculating and we hate those women.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (da5Wo)

127 Day-o, " imprison opposition like a “third world dictator.”

Posted by: Harry Belafonte at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (NIZHJ)

128 This is just the type of judgmental attitude that keeps us from connecting with moderate voters.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (ZDsRL)

129 It happened at BBC, PBS, Penn State, the Catholic Church, and the Boy Scouts. It happens wherever Julia is a single mother, sperm donor is not involved, and institutions take on the role of parent. Then the Sanduskys and Savilles and their ilk are at play

Posted by: thunderb at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (Dnbau)

130 Of course she is. Let me guess: plaid flannel judicial robes, a really short haircut, and a wicked hook when she bowls, right?Posted by: Herr Morgeholz at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (zlvkY)


You forgot "sensible shoes."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (sbV1u)

131 Let me guess: plaid flannel judicial robes, a really short haircut, and a wicked hook when she bowls, right?

300 pounds, hates white people. Working[sic] Families[sic] is a reparations party.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (/kI1Q)

132 I was molested as a child by a 30 something year old man who was babysitting me. Thanks for that brilliant judgment, mom.

He was an art teacher at the school she worked at, and ge just loooooved bus duty with the elementary kids.

So sorry single men, but I will always find it super creepy if you want to spend time with my children, and no, I don't want you to babysit.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 02:24 PM (wsGWu)

133 I know. I can only hope that I can teach her to be one of those independent, DIY type girls. Cause apparently us men find that emasculating and we hate those women.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (da5Wo)

Both my daughters are pretty good kids ( 23/25) but then my expectations are pretty low: To bring me a Beer or Water from the downstairs Frig when I ask. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 02:24 PM (79ueO)

134 119 So does this mean that comedians will replace their Catholic priest-pedophilia jokes with BBC celebrity-pedophilia jokes?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (kcbsg)

Not when the Pope is on Twitter and we can insult him anonymously.

Posted by: Caring Lefty at December 13, 2012 02:24 PM (fWAjv)

135 : Still Canadian, not American. Doesn't make a difference, as we all know.
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (5UlAL)

_________________

Then your daughter is Canadian...

I'm just trying to brain storm.

I know a really excellent lawyer--but this isn't his field and I don't have access to him to ask him any questions till about noon pacific.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (r2PLg)

136 Savile might have been an entertainer immersed in children, but it seems he never made the mistake of fixating on any one child too much or for too long, which probably helped a lot when it came to avoiding undue notice.

Compare and contrast Michael Jackson, who went well out of his way to be seen on a regular basis with his preadolescent boy companion du jour. Setting aside the question of whether he ever actually fucked them or not, he behaved publicly in a manner that was perceived as creepy and inappropriate. Whatever might have been suspected behind the scenes, Savile seems never to have sent the same public warning signals, and when he did, he took refuge in such audacity that nobody could take his statements (which should have screamed DANGER, WILL ROBINSON!!!) seriously.

Posted by: perturbed at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (u6Ueb)

137 There is almost a century's worth of Supreme Court precedence staying that parental rights are protected by the Constitution, and "far more precious than property rights."

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (5UlAL)

138 Cause apparently us men find that emasculating and we hate those women.

Unless they're models. Better get good at cleaning your shotguns.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (/kI1Q)

139 Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether I
broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with the underage females, either dead or alive.

(I did. *wink.)

But you can't hold an entire television network responsible for the behavior of a sick twisted individual. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame
the whole television network system? And if the whole television network system is
guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our media institutions in
general?

I put it to you, Ace - isn't this an indictment of our entire British society?

Well, you can do whatever you want to me, but I'm
not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the entire island of Great Britain!

Gentlemen!


Posted by: Jimmy "Otter" Savile at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (gCa4h)

140 >>>So sorry single men, but I will always find it super creepy if you want to spend time with my children,

I'm married and demonstrably straight and narrow, and I will NOT be alone with a kid that's not my own. Too much potential for horseshit allegations.

Posted by: Herr Morgeholz at December 13, 2012 02:26 PM (zlvkY)

141 So sorry single men, but I will always find it super creepy if you want to spend time with my children, and no, I don't want you to babysit.
Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 02:24 PM (wsGWu)

I wouldn't just be worried about single men.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 02:26 PM (fWAjv)

142 Joffen--

What is you ex wanting?

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:26 PM (r2PLg)

143 The hearing is next week. I think I have a pretty good case, but I've never been more scared.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:26 PM (5UlAL)

144 Let's see...Hollywood likes to make movies TV shows where it's A-OK sleepng with minors: Birth, Hound dog, Towelhead, The Reader, [fill-in-the-blank teen drama involving teacher-student tryst], etc. And somany of them have voiced support for Polanski.Yep, it's a strong possibility.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 13, 2012 02:27 PM (kcbsg)

145 it isn't just little girls. Ask RA Dickey.

Posted by: thunderb at December 13, 2012 02:27 PM (Dnbau)

146 There is almost a century's worth of Supreme Court
precedence staying that parental rights are protected by the
Constitution, and "far more precious than property rights." Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (5UlAL)




Good luck pointing to an Article in the Constitution that says anything remotely like that. I'd stay away from the "Constitutional" argument.

Because that's when liberal justices all of a sudden become Constitutional originalists.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:28 PM (sbV1u)

147 >>>There is almost a century's worth of Supreme Court precedence staying
that parental rights are protected by the Constitution, and "far more
precious than property rights."

That's why we sold your daughter for 10 dollars to a developer. We considered it VERY carefully.

Posted by: SCOTUS at December 13, 2012 02:28 PM (zlvkY)

148 Never get married. They are soul sucking treacherous BIATCHES.

Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:28 PM (NIZHJ)

149 Pacific Rim yo!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 02:28 PM (4+0nx)

150 the disposal of father is what allows the Savilles and Sanduskys to operate

Posted by: thunderb at December 13, 2012 02:29 PM (Dnbau)

151 145 it isn't just little girls. Ask RA Dickey.

---

Hell, ask wrestler Billy Jack Haynes.

He's a poster-child for how sexual abuse as a child can fuck you up for life.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 02:29 PM (e0xKF)

152 If those were Catholic hospitals, the institutionalized molesting of young patients would kind of be a foregone conclusion. You can't really pin the blame completely on him.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 13, 2012 02:29 PM (+lsX1)

153 Ace,

You're asking the right question in the wrong way.

Let me help you:

Who else was involved?

In the Sandusky situation, his charity was a massive political donor, and powerful, wealthy, shady "donors" were regularly flown in to "visit the children." remember the DA investigating the case that disappeared?

Parallels to the above are found in the catholic situation and the boyscout situation, with wealthy powerful connected persons stepping in to squash everything for decades.

There is a dark secret in this country. It's so awful and terrible that we are loathe to admit it.

Who else, besides Jimmy Savile, was involved? Police always gave him passes eh? Hospital administrators just gave him secret bedrooms eh?

Posted by: Hopeless at December 13, 2012 02:29 PM (BgZ8b)

154 #97 No, because Penn State had Graham Spanier as its President, and Spanier is pretty much a professional sexual libertine.Before he got into administration he wrote several papers and articles on sexual freedomand one wason wife-swapping. He was considered on the "cutting edge" as an academic. I'm convinced he knew all about Sandusky and saw nothing wrong whatsoever with his "alternative lifestyle."

Pedophilia is not considered immoral in many elite circles in Europe and in the US; it's just kept quiet because they know us plebes still do not approve. I believe Jimmy Savile and Jerry Sandusky are just the tip of the iceberg, and both were known and tolerated by superiors who saw nothing wrong with their behavior at all. Hollywood is full of pedophiles; the stories have leaked out about some very famous child stars being sexually abused by directors and studio execs. The names of the abusers are being kept secret, but I wonder how long that will last.

Once we accept gay marriage, the next effort will be to lower the age of consent to 14, or to abolish it altogether. Mark my words. The elites are pushing gay marriage for a reason, and it isn't because it's the civil rights issue of our time. It's the gateway to legalizing adult-child sexual relationships.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (aBlZ1)

155 Never get married. They are soul sucking treacherous BIATCHES.Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:28 PM (NIZHJ)


I think I speak for BC here when I say soul sucking is not such a bad thing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (sbV1u)

156 Yeah, true. I'm uncomfortable with men in general watching my kids. However, a dad watching his own kids and mine while I am with his wife doesn't raise the same massive red flags.

That's hypothetical though. Because of my (justified?).paranoia, the only people who've ever been alone with my kids are my in laws and my mom.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (wsGWu)

157 142: She wants supervised visitation. I think I can make a case that this is unwarranted (it is). The Supreme Court has held that "the depravation of fundamental liberty rights for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury."

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (5UlAL)

158 Joffen, I hope it works out for you somehow. I'd advise seeing if some lawyer with family law experience would take your case on a payment system of some sort.

If you wind up with supervised visits only, will you have to pay for the supervisor every time you want to see your daughter? You might find that out, and factor that into what the longer term cost of losing would be to you. Not to mention the general suckitude of not being free to go and do things with your kid on occasion.

(blah blah blah I'm not a lawyer disclaimer blah)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (ccXZP)

159 I have 2 young kids. I don't leave them alone with a man, ever. This includes family members. I might be paranoid, but I'd rather be paranoid and wrong than have the unthinkable happen.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (HDgX3)

160 Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.

You could play the class angle. If the ex- is rich, exploit that. You don't want your daughter going to those icky private schools, etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:31 PM (T0NGe)

161 So sorry single men, but I will always find it super creepy if you want
to spend time with my children, and no, I don't want you to babysit.


Ever peruse through your local sex-offender list? The number of women who sexually abuse children is not insignificant. And they're not all "mothers of the victim who looked the other way" or "rented their kid out for drugs." Quite a few babysitters.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:31 PM (/kI1Q)

162 Good luck pointing to an Article in the Constitution that says anything remotely like that. I'd stay away from the "Constitutional" argument.

There are dozens of SCOTUS rulings establishing exactly that.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:31 PM (5UlAL)

163 Joffen -

Try to get to mediation. Court is going to fuck you if you don't have a lawyer. Especially if she does.

Talk to her attorney (not her) as you are currently pro se. See what it is she really wants. Work it out in a settlement agreement without having to go to court.

And, see what you can do about getting a lawyer. You won't get a court appointed one for a family court.



Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:32 PM (7vSU0)

164
Also, the judge is female and a member of the Working Families Party.
I hope that won't make a difference.


Have her removed from the case. I'd scream that it makes her prejudiced and produce the WFP propaganda to prove it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 02:32 PM (yiIja)

165 the rumors were all that Sevile was gay....
>>>
And, we can't keep persisting in the notion that gay people might be deviant in other ways too. There's no such thing as a gay pedophile!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Gay Transvestite Midget at December 13, 2012 02:33 PM (YmPwQ)

166 Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (5UlAL)

Shoot me an e-mail at nynjmeet at optimum dot net

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:34 PM (GsoHv)

167 Necrophilia? Have we reached Sodom and Gomorrah level yet?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 13, 2012 02:34 PM (DoZD+)

168 There are dozens of SCOTUS rulings establishing exactly that.Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:31 PM (5UlAL)


That's lovely.

It's also irrelevant. This is a state court, not a federal case. You go down that road you are going to shoot your credibility early. Don't listen to me, ask one of the lawyer Morons here.

Oh, and do you really think a judge from the "Working Families" party gives a shit about the U.S. Constitution anyway? Seriously?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:34 PM (sbV1u)

169 Ace,

You shouldn't do a post on this fuck without showing his creepy picture.

This guy just screams pedophile. Look at his creepy face.

Yes. Corruption, moral, total, sums up the British. They are dying as a country. Very sad to watch. There is no young blood anymore.

Will it rise again. Who knows.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (tVTLU)

170
I'm taking the Berlitz course in liberal speak, so here goes:

"Mistakes were made."

How'dI do?

Let's see,
1) de minimis acknowledgement of wrongdoing - check

2) passive voice construction to avoid attribution of wrongdoing to ... well ... anyone - check.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (4u2LN)

171
Joffen,

Everyone here is on your side and wants the best for you, but you might want to back down on this one.

You did go through a bad time there and it's not totally clear if everything is 100% fine now. Not the type of uncertainty a court wants to put a child into. Accept the custody arrangement and tell the court that, at some point in the future, you would like the opportunity to amend the order to include unlimited visitation.

Especially without a good lawyer, keep yourself in a good light now so that it's easier in the future when you're ready to make an argument.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (ZDsRL)

172 Necrophilia? Have we reached Sodom and Gomorrah level yet?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 13, 2012 02:34 PM (DoZD+)


Not until we reach the point where stuff gets so sick that not even GWAR would joke about it...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (XvHmy)

173 How many of you have had to defend your Constitutional rights in a court of law? I've commented on this site for nearly four years. I have read article after article about ways the Government has infringed on American liberties, but it is a different experience altogether when you experience it first-hand.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (5UlAL)

174 You're right, Heather...and quite a few ;female teacher bangs 13 y/o student" stories too.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (wsGWu)

175 157 142: She wants supervised visitation. I think I can make a case that this is unwarranted (it is). The Supreme Court has held that "the depravation of fundamental liberty rights for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury."
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (5UlAL)

_____________________

One thing I do know--well I think I know--is the Judge is master of their domain.

I would keep it simple. Answer questions directly and briefly.

I also think you might be surprised that there is more law for you at the other end of the legal spectrum.

IOW work your way up--not down from the Constitution.

That's my hunch on it anyway.

I think you would find more useful laws and regulations in the state law, etc.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:36 PM (r2PLg)

176 Joffen -

Get a letter, or better, an affidavit if possible, from your doctor in which he/she states that you are healthy, not a danger to yourself or others, possess all of the necessary physical and mental characteristics to be an excellent parent, etc.

If you are being denied visitation based on an allegation from your ex-wife that you have emotional problems, the judge "should" defer to the testimony of an expert.

Posted by: angler at December 13, 2012 02:36 PM (SwjAj)

177 Joffen - do not even try to make a Constitutional argument in a family court.

Settle it out of court. The court is supposed to operate on best interests of the children. Whether there is proof or not, a judge can do whatever the Hell he or she wants to do. Whether there is evidence or not, the easy path for the judge - who will not be visiting with the child(ren), and doesn't really give a shit either way - is to say, hey. let's do the supervised visitation because that is the best for the kids.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:36 PM (7vSU0)

178 A children's hospital!

GENIUS!!

*starts pledge drive

Posted by: NAMBLA at December 13, 2012 02:36 PM (gCa4h)

179 Let's face it. Morality has taken a back seat fame and feel-good. (It goes hand in hand with "free shit".)

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 02:36 PM (OqZHj)

180 125 I wonder how much of this is allowed in Hollywood. I'm sure it's rampant and no one will ever find out about it. Corey Feldman's interview wasn't the first I suspected it. It was watching Toddlers and Tiaras and the Real for Housewives shows and seeing how desperate the mothers are for their child to be famous that they would do literally (and I don't mean virtually), pretty much anything to achieve this.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (DoZD+)

There was a Hollywood blog that a year or so ago ran some explosive anonymous comments after the Feldman interview. It was all hushed up very fast after that. There must be some VERY VERY powerful people involved.

Watch Hayden Panettiere's amazing performance on "Nashville" and think about where all that emotion and hurt in her character is coming from.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (aBlZ1)

181 171
Joffen,

Everyone here is on your side and wants the best for you, but you might want to back down on this one.

You did go through a bad time there and it's not totally clear if everything is 100% fine now. Not the type of uncertainty a court wants to put a child into. Accept the custody arrangement and tell the court that, at some point in the future, you would like the opportunity to amend the order to include unlimited visitation.

Especially without a good lawyer, keep yourself in a good light now so that it's easier in the future when you're ready to make an argument.
Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (ZDsRL)

______________________

Joffen--this is excellent advise.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (r2PLg)

182 So sorry single men, but I will always find it super creepy if you want to spend time with my children, and no, I don't want you to babysit.

When I was a very mature 22, I knew a girl, who was a friend, but not my 'girlfriend' -- she was many years older then me and had a daughter. She wanted to take the relationship further, but I thought it rather odd that she kept her daughter away from me. I simply was interested in knowing her daughter so that I could decide for myself whether that was a situation I could handle. The daughter could have been the worlds biggest brat for all I knew. So I kept my distance from both of them.

Not saying you're wrong, just that you could consider that not every man is evil. Trust your instincts but stay in the same room.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (feFL6)

183 We saw this at Penn State. But Penn State's football program was small, and everyone knew each other. It was intimate.
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Not so intimate when you consider thatone of the Board of Trustees was the PA Governor, Ed Rendell, who was in a position to more thoroughly investigate the allegations and news percolating up from Happy Valley.

After the Sandusky dust settled, it came out that one of Rendell's major Democrat operatives from Philadelphia turned out to be a career pedo and Friend of Jerry:
Eddie Savitz.

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (jm/9g)

184
167Necrophilia? Have we reached Sodom and Gomorrah level yet?

I think we've sailed past it.

Posted by: wheatie at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (K4wCe)

185
a member of the Working Families Crypto-CommunistParty.
FIFY.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (4u2LN)

186 Also, the problem there was not the football program but the kids' camp.


Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (T0NGe)

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Seriously? I'm going to assume you're not being serious. You had an assistant coach that observed Sandusky raping a young boy in the shower and reported it to his boss (Joe Paterno). It was also reported to the Athletic director and to campus police - none of which chose to take any corrective action. The last time I checked, the Athletic Director also runs the football program.

While I agree, he gained access to the boys via the kids camp, he was able to do so as an upstanding member of a large university's athletic department.

These crimes occurred and were ignored especially because of the Penn State athletic department. Therefore, the entire department should have been wiped out. While I admit this would have been grossly unfair to the young men and women involved in the program, it would have been a very small price to pay for the crimes the school was directly involved in perpetuating.

Posted by: Not and Artist at December 13, 2012 02:38 PM (uRumV)

187 Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:37 PM (4u2LN)

Not so "crypto," based on who are members and what they say on their web site.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (GsoHv)

188 You're right, Heather...and quite a few ;female teacher bangs 13 y/o student" stories too.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (wsGWu)


...don't remind me

Posted by: John Schmitz at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (XvHmy)

189 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (ccXZP)

Absolutely correct, which is why I want to avoid it.

I also plan on asking the Judge for mediation as well.

Why would bringing up my rights affect my credibility?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (5UlAL)

190 I don't know about you, but I'm feeling a little Jeepulent about this whole thing.

Posted by: Eugene at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (SiF4n)

191
138
Cause apparently us men find that emasculating and we hate those women.

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Unless they're models. Better get good at cleaning your shotguns.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:25 PM (/kI1Q)


I'm confused. If men hate women who can fend for themselves because it's emasculating, wouldn't a really hot woman who can fend for herself be doubly emasculating?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (da5Wo)

192 Yes. Corruption, moral, total, sums up the British. They are dying as a country. Very sad to watch. There is no young blood anymore. Will it rise again. Who knows.
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 13, 2012 02:35 PM (tVTLU)


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Damn, man! Look around. The same thing is happening in America. The very same thing.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 02:41 PM (OqZHj)

193 Too late for us to do anything to him, but justice will be. Gods' justice may grind slow, but it griinds ever so fine-

Posted by: Arrgghhh at December 13, 2012 02:41 PM (FxBCF)

194 Get a letter, or better, an affidavit if possible, from your doctor in which he/she states that you are healthy, not a danger to yourself or others, possess all of the necessary physical and mental characteristics to be an excellent parent, etc.
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That's the plan.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:41 PM (5UlAL)

195 Accept the custody arrangement and tell the court that, at some point in the future, you would like the opportunity to amend the order to include unlimited visitation.

To this I say no. Don't voluntarily give up on your kids. Only accept that kind of restriction if it is ordered. It will be difficult to ever reverse. In order to seek a change, you will have to demonstrate that things are significantly different enough to warrant the court to make a change. If you take the restriction now in response to an unspecified and thus unremediable situation, you won't get it changed, because you won't be able to demonstrate how things are different.

I don't know what beef your ex (or soon to be) has but she is using the kids to get back at you or to get something from you. Find out what it is, and surrender that, not your time with the kids. If it's supervised, you'll never get to take them anywhere, your kids will start to resent their time with you, etc.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:42 PM (7vSU0)

196 Joffen, You will need ammo.

I have a friend who went pro se in a NY custody battle with an ex-wife. All the lawyers he contacted told him it was a stone loser as she was accusing him of molestation as a tactic and not to waste his money.

He spent a LOT of time learning the applicable law, court procedures, etc. and eventually WON. Apparently he was the first male pro se petitioner to actually win a custody battle in NY in a very long time.

BUT he had solid ammo. The ex-wife had been taking BF's home and banging them in front of the kid and spending child support money on exotic lingerie for the BF's, and the kid wouldn't validate any part of the ex's abuse claims.

You will have to destroy her to win. If you're not mentally prepared to do that, or lack the necessary evidence to do it, you'll lose.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 02:42 PM (gyVJ0)

197 All of the Family Court Judges are Jamit Reno clones.

Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:42 PM (NIZHJ)

198 Therefore, the entire department should have been wiped out.

Posted by: Not and Artist at December 13, 2012 02:38 PM (uRumV)

Exactly.

And I don't give a rat's ass about the innocent athletes whose lives would be temporarily inconvenienced until they got scholarships to other big football schools.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:43 PM (GsoHv)

199 I think I speak for BC here when I say soul sucking is not such a bad thing.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (sbV1u)




Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 02:43 PM (da5Wo)

200 That's the plan.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:41 PM (5UlAL)


Good to have that to defend your argument, but it is an argument best avoided altogether.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:45 PM (7vSU0)

201 Sandusky and Michael Mann were given a pass by the same folks.

Posted by: Butters at December 13, 2012 02:45 PM (NIZHJ)

202 Turns out I CAN be more sickened and enraged.

Is this a good thing?

Posted by: nip at December 13, 2012 02:45 PM (11Tdq)

203
I don't know what beef your ex (or soon to be) has but she is using the kids to get back at you or to get something from you. Find out what it is, and surrender that, not your time with the kids. If it's supervised, you'll never get to take them anywhere, your kids will start to resent their time with you, etc.


If it's anything like my experience with the Daughter of Satan during my divorce, what she wants is your death at her hands. Failing that, it's your frontal lobe and both testicles.

Good luck, Joffen. Oh, and Pro-tip: don't mention the Horde.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 02:46 PM (yiIja)

204 Once we accept gay marriage, the next effort will be to lower the age of consent to 14, or to abolish it altogether. Mark my words. The elites are pushing gay marriage for a reason, and it isn't because it's the civil rights issue of our time. It's the gateway to legalizing adult-child sexual relationships.Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (aBlZ1)This.I too have predicted that the age of consent is on Death Row, once homosexual marriage is allowed. NAMBLA is warming up in the bullpen just waiting for that.Disagree on why the "elites" are pushing homosexual marriage, though. I think they view it as a good way to undermine the nuclear family, which is and always has been the biggest single impediment to imposing communism. (See the kibbutz movement, an experiment in pure socialism, which foundered as such largely because women did not want to be separated from their children. Out goes barracks, in comes single family houses, and now it's everyone looking out for his own family. End of socialist bullshit.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:46 PM (4u2LN)

205 Your indignation is righteous.

There was seemingly nothing that bastard found repulsive.

That guy and all who him enabled are the scum of the Earth and people must pay.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 13, 2012 02:46 PM (m4Ar0)

206 And I don't give a rat's ass about the innocent athletes whose lives would be temporarily inconvenienced until they got scholarships to other big football schools.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:43 PM (GsoHv)
I couldn't agree more, Charlie.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:47 PM (4u2LN)

207 202 Turns out I CAN be more sickened and enraged.

Is this a good thing?


.....

Both good and bad

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 13, 2012 02:47 PM (m4Ar0)

208 >>Posted by: BCochran1981

Hot trumps everything, even abuse. Do you ever fucking read the comments here? If an ugly woman told any Moron a story about how she told a male mechanic what was wrong with her car, there would be 57 comments about how women these days think they're so much better than men, and women who can do man stuff are horrible snotty bitches, and stay the fuck away.

What's your problem today, anyway? You're married to a perfect woman, why the need to continually shit all over me?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:47 PM (/kI1Q)

209 The truth on these abuse matters is demonic and horrific.

These people don't act alone. They form groups and protect each other.

Stop and realize: Jim Jones was at one point put in charge of SF's child services department, and had dozens of children given to him.

And all those powerful politicians etc. Kept making those "visits" to his camp here in the states.

The same script plays out in the boy scouts, the catholic church, etc. And people disappear and/or get brutally murdered when they try to blow the whistle. The reality of it is cthulu-esque, and once you see it for what it is your life will never be quite the same. It is actually and really demonic in it's nature.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 13, 2012 02:48 PM (xOE6Y)

210 Not so "crypto," based on who are members and what they say on their web site.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (GsoHv)
Yeah, I was being polite. They're full-on, straight-up, in your face Reds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 02:48 PM (4u2LN)

211 The Sandusky thing isn't going away. The new PA AG, a Dem, has already pledged to start investigating Gov Corbett and what he know/didn't know about Sandusky while Corbett was AG .

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 13, 2012 02:49 PM (YmPwQ)

212 What's your problem today, anyway? You're married to a perfect woman, why the need to continually shit all over me?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:47 PM


Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays!

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:50 PM (7vSU0)

213 Accept the custody arrangement and tell the court that, at some point in the future, you would like the opportunity to amend the order to include unlimited visitation.

To this I say no. Don't voluntarily give up on your kids. Only accept that kind of restriction if it is ordered. It will be difficult to ever reverse. In order to seek a change, you will have to demonstrate that things are significantly different enough to warrant the court to make a change. If you take the restriction now in response to an unspecified and thus unremediable situation, you won't get it changed, because you won't be able to demonstrate how things are different.

____________________


Joffen--

Ya I kind of screwed up--accept it as a last resort.

What I liked was the chance to revise it aspect.

But it's possible they don't do things like that.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:51 PM (r2PLg)

214 and right on cue - #152 - the Know Nothings show up

Posted by: Barry at December 13, 2012 02:52 PM (kGJd5)

215 Why would bringing up my rights affect my credibility?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 02:40 PM (5UlAL)

Anything that SCOTUS has said about the standard to be applied before parental rights may be abridged will already be baked into the cake. The "cake" is the body of state law that specifies in detail when and how parental rights can be limited or terminated. Presumably, the judge will already be way more familiar with these than you are. The only response you're likely to get by arguing about your constitutional rights is eye-rolling and you don't need to gratuitously antagonize the person who's going to decide this.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2012 02:52 PM (QKKT0)

216 -

be prepared to discuss the circumstances around your suicide attempt in a forthright manner. Don't shade and evade or tap dance around the questions if they're asked by the judge or her attorney.

If your doctor will write a letter stating that you're fine - have that readily available. Be ready to have that doctor's credentials challenged. Is this a psychiatrist, psychologist, family doctor, et cetera?

If you haven't done this already - practice talking this stuff outloud, preferably with someone in Meat Space whom you trust.

You don't want to be a stuttering mess in real time. Your adrenaline is going to be pumping, so it's helpful if you consider that while practicing.


Also, and this is something that can be missed - if you have a support network -- friends, church, clergy, family - make dinner plans for after the hearing and for another dinner a couple of days afterwards.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2012 02:53 PM (RuUvx)

217
and right on cue - #152 - the Know Nothings show up Posted by: Barry at December 13, 2012 02:52 PM (kGJd5)



Geez, you think there is some kind of special bigotry training they go to? Or is it all done by emanations from the mother ship?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 02:54 PM (sbV1u)

218 Joffen - That you don't understand why making a Constitutional argument in a family court is a bad idea is a good reason not to represent yourself. Get a lawyer. Even if you are going to settle.

The judges in these cases probably have some sort of training in the law, and in Constitutional law. Whatever else is going on in your divorce case, it isn't about Constitutional rights. And to try to make the case about that, you will look like a crank, and if the judge thinks you are a crank, she will rule against you even if you are 100% right on the facts and the law.

Because it doesn't matter. The judges are honey badgers. They have ultimate power in their court rooms.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 02:55 PM (7vSU0)

219 The slow slide to abject evil:

Nothing is deviant any more. Pedophelia is a "disease." Necrophelia is "inappropriate contact."

If nothing is deviant, then everything is acceptable. EVERYTHING.

The statement that personifies this is "I don't want to judge." Why not? Do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Or are you too scared that people will think *poorly* of you for judging and reporting the pedophile/ necrophiliac to the police?

No good, no evil. No responsibility. No morals, no social mores.

It's really, really scary where this is heading.


Posted by: shibumi at December 13, 2012 02:55 PM (z63Tr)

220 Soona:

I travel to London regularly and trust me, their collapse is imminent.

We are still going strong here, even though we have suffered big time setbacks lately.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 13, 2012 02:55 PM (tVTLU)

221 That song, "There'll Always be an England", is...inaccurate.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 13, 2012 02:57 PM (nZvGM)

222 My daughter once had an elderly woman try to take her picture in a McDonald's bathroom before. Age doesn't matter.

Posted by: jmel at December 13, 2012 02:58 PM (vjwQX)

223
"Ya I kind of screwed up--accept it as a last resort.

What I liked was the chance to revise it aspect.

But it's possible they don't do things like that."
Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 02:51 PM (r2PLg) Tasker is right. I didn't mean to offer giving up visitation right off the bat, but if that is the way the hearing is going, back off and accept it instead of trying to make a constitutional argument.Also, the idea of a letter from your doctor is great. It never hurts to have professional opinion in writing. Don't bother trying to find out what the ex wants, as Backwards Boy said, nothing short of your banishment from the planet will do.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:59 PM (ZDsRL)

224 Joffen,

BTW,

Is it too late to paper the judge and get a different one?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2012 02:59 PM (QKKT0)

225 212 What's your problem today, anyway? You're married to a perfect woman, why the need to continually shit all over me?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 02:47 PM

Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays!

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I think I need to go find my poncho and hope it is "Patrick Bateman" class to handle the messy evisceration we're about to see.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 03:00 PM (e0xKF)

226 So lets see if I get this right...
I make a donation to the university of brazil and I can get the keys to one of their sororities?
And a bedroom there?

So full of win!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 13, 2012 03:01 PM (z5U4s)

227
The statement that personifies this is "I don't want to judge." Why not? Do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Or are you too scared that people will think *poorly* of you for judging and reporting the pedophile/ necrophiliac to the police?


An acquaintance once chided me for being "judgmental." I replied that grownups render judgments all the time; it's an essential part of being a grownup in fact. This is good, that's bad, the other is indifferent.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 03:02 PM (4u2LN)

228 BTW, I am not a lawyer but I spend a lot of time in court with my ex. Probably the most important thing I learned is that it isn't like TV. The other side can and will lie. And no amount of clever phrasing or knowing stares will cause someone to break down on the stand and say, no, really, here is the truth.

There are very few situations where a lawyer is going to know some obscure rule or tactic that will turn an otherwise losing case into a winning one.

Judges don't care about the law. They sit and watch and figure out which side is better and rules for them. Lawyers are really in the business of sliming the other side. That is the point of the accusation against you, doesn't matter whether it can be proven or not, it will be out there, it will raise doubt in the judge's mind. Unless you have something credible (or credibly false) to drop on your spouse to make her look worse, you are going to lose. Doesn't matter what the Constitution says, doesn't matter what the law says.

So you are best to stay out of the control of an autocrat. Give up your house or some money or something and get your unsupervised time with the kids.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 03:02 PM (7vSU0)

229 Stand for nothing, fall for anything.

or something...

Posted by: nip at December 13, 2012 03:03 PM (11Tdq)

230 If an ugly woman told any Moron a story about how she told a male mechanic what was wrong with her car, there would be 57 comments about how women these days think they're so much better than men, and women who can do man stuff are horrible snotty bitches, and stay the fuck away.

Not from this moron. I taught my daughter to be independent, not dependent. She can 'do stuff' that my wife finds continually amazing. Because she used to be next to me, laying tile, hammering nails, painting, fixing drywall, tearing out a bathroom or three. She bought a repair manual on her car and knew more about the car then I did. No mechanic would ever pull the wool over her eyes. She was no raving beauty, but this is one dad who could never look at her with less then a critical eye and see the imperfections, which I then paid a lot of money to fix. Not all were fixable.

But she found 'the guy' who saw a strong, resilient, independent woman and it was what he wanted. A guy who said she was the most beautiful woman he ever met.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 03:03 PM (feFL6)

231 Unless you have something credible (or credibly false) to drop on your spouse to make her look worse, you are going to lose.

That IS it in a nutshell. You gotta be prepared to destroy the cred and reputation of the child's mother and be willing to accept all consequences that may flow from that...now AND years down the road.

Pro se will lower your out of pocket costs, but its going to take a terrible toll in time and emotion.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 03:07 PM (gyVJ0)

232 -

lastly - her lawyer's examination of you will, most likely, be far more brutal than you can imagine.

I say that having, in special ed situations as an advocate/coach, seen attorneys brutalize parents. Especially when the parent gets cutesy on an answer.

I've been cross-ex'd a couple of times - not my kid so I'm not emotionally invested. But I spend ** a lot ** of time getting the parents ready for the emotional experience along with the facts and strategies.

No plan survives contact with the enemy.

Know your stuff cold - anticipate the arguments - answer the question as asked, not what you think they asked. (standard example: Do you know the time? Is a yes/no question. Don't answer that question with the actual time. Wait for that question.)
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2012 03:10 PM (RuUvx)

233 Don't bother trying to find out what the ex wants, as Backwards Boy said, nothing short of your banishment from the planet will do.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:59 PM (ZDsRL)


I disagree. The spouse is going for supervised visitation, not no visitation at all. Now, it may be that the attorney said no way we will get that without a real reason, but that doesn't mean that the atty necessarily thinks that he/she can get supervised visitation ordered, but that is the maximum that could possibly come of it. Plus, it opens the box of slime - there is something wrong with this man, he should not be allowed near his own children without someone else watching.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 13, 2012 03:10 PM (7vSU0)

234 #211 That's a lot of partisan bullshit aimed at stirring up innuendo about Corbett to hurt his reelection campaign in 2014. Corbett's said that while he was investigating the case they only had one boy that had come forward, and that was not enough toconvict Sandusky. They needed to find a pattern and corroboration or it would just be one kid's nword agains Sandusky's. OnceCorbett became Governor he was still sworn to secrecy about the case. Good grief, he was the first AG to open a child sex crimes unit in the AG's office.

There is a lot of butthurt among state Democrats that (a) Corbett was elected Governor, and (b) that he got to take credit for beginning the investigation of Sandusky and then for forcing Spanier and Paterno to be fired. Also a lot of diehard Penn Staters despise Corbett because he ruined Paterno and damaged the football program. They would love to see the entire investigation tainted, even if it means manufacturing a case that Corbett was either incompetent or compromised by big donors who were Penn Staters.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 03:10 PM (NYnoe)

235
I don't agree that one pedophile discreditsan entire government media agency, hence the government, hence the culture and the country. That's just stupid. Blaming pedophilia on single mom's -- that's beyond stupid. Read a fucking book or just shut up about it.

Posted by: Arnold Layne at December 13, 2012 03:10 PM (MgN9a)

236 Pro se will lower your out of pocket costs, but its going to take a terrible toll in time and emotion.
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It will and has already, but I'm still determined to win. Just got off the phone with CBD. He gave me some good advice. I appreciate all the good advice I've received from the Horde. You guys are awesome.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 03:12 PM (5UlAL)

237 Joffen, other people have said it, I will repeat it, get a lawyer. The state won't provide you one? You may want to look and see if a legal services organization will help. Also, is there a law school by where you live, sometimes they have clinics in family law and they might be able to help at no cost.

Did the court have you evaluated? Has your psychologist written a report on your behalf that you could submit that states you pose no threat to your daughter? Does your ex have a report from a psychologist that states otherwise? If so, have you gotten a copy of that report and had your doc read it and respond to it. Was there a social worker? Is there a guardian ad litem (GAL) for the kids? What does the GAL say? What do your kids want? Depending on their age, their testimony can be invaluable. And if she is trying to turn them against you, and you can show that, that helps you.

Do you have friends who will testify on your behalf? What do you have on your ex that is damaging to her (drunk driving convictions, etc.)?

Sorry if I only repeated what others said. But it bears repeating.


Posted by: Penfold at December 13, 2012 03:13 PM (Fbt5B)

238 > If an ugly woman told any Moron a story about how she told a male
mechanic what was wrong with her car, there would be 57 comments about
how women these days think they're so much better than men, and women
who can do man stuff are horrible snotty bitches, and stay the fuck
away.

Is this about fixing a car or about being all butthurt because guys on here complain about the political stupidity of most single women? I hate to break it to you, stereotyping is unfair, but it works most of the time. Also, yes, a pretty girl can get away with being a pain in the ass a lot more than an average woman can. Welcome to society, please put on a helmet.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at December 13, 2012 03:13 PM (ZWvOb)

239 231. Here's a screwed up catch
What if the chick you are divorcing happens to be your family lawyer?

Yeah, I guess I'm lucky because she'd rather go for the insurance over divorce

FML

Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 13, 2012 03:14 PM (Htg5c)

240 237Joffen, other people have said it, I will repeat it, get a lawyer. The state won't provide you one? You may want to look and see if a legal services organization will help. Also, is there a law school by where you live, sometimes they have clinics in family law and they might be able to help at no cost.
Posted by: Penfold at December 13, 2012 03:13 PM (Fbt5B)>>>
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Are youa "free shit" acvocate?

Posted by: Arnold Layne at December 13, 2012 03:16 PM (MgN9a)

241 >>Did the court have you evaluated?
Not yet, but I expect it.

>> Has your psychologist written a report on your behalf that you could submit that states you pose no threat to your daughter? Does your ex have a report from a psychologist that states otherwise?

I plan on getting one, and no, my ex does not have a letter stating otherwise.

>>Is there a guardian ad litem (GAL) for the kids? What does the GAL say?

Yes there is, I met with him yesterday. He doesn't know much about the case yet, as he was only appointed on Monday. He wants permission to speak to my therapist, which I will of course allow.
Other than that, he didn't say much.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at December 13, 2012 03:18 PM (5UlAL)

242 Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 13, 2012 02:49 PM (YmPwQ)
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Do they really want to go there? Because in PA, all roads lead to Rendell. It's no secret he's a notorious jock-sniffer. He of all people would have reason to squash the Sandusky story. And that is apart from the Savitz connection.

We didn't hear one murmur of criticism when Lynn Abraham and Seth Williams took years to deliver a Grand Jury report on their Catholic clergy sex abuse prosecutions.

Could it be because they're Philly donk apparatchiks?

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 03:19 PM (jm/9g)

243 Are youa "free shit" acvocate?


I was suggesting alternatives to hiring a lawyer out of his own pocket.

Posted by: Penfold at December 13, 2012 03:20 PM (Fbt5B)

244 Good luck Joffen.

Posted by: Penfold at December 13, 2012 03:22 PM (Fbt5B)

245 Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 03:10 PM (NYnoe)
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Yes, I was so proud of our AG for establishing the Child Predator internet unit.

But I still hope that Bruce Castor primaries him, and wins. Because this "What did Corbett know" bullshit is PA's LIV mantra.

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 03:23 PM (jm/9g)

246 Now Heather, I realize why you're PO'd and the person you're PO'd at *is* an insufferable dick. But please don't generalize, and don't go away mad.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 03:26 PM (feFL6)

247 BBC=Pedophiles=Priests=Elmo=Frank Marshall Davis

Posted by: Little Johnny at December 13, 2012 03:27 PM (Cbb7j)

248 We didn't hear one murmur of criticism when Lynn Abraham and Seth Williams took years to deliver a Grand Jury report on their Catholic clergy sex abuse prosecutions.

They just wanted to wait until White and Williams had extorted the last penny (actually multi-millions of dollars) from the Archdiocese before acting.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 03:31 PM (feFL6)

249 Years ago a local talk host interviewed a cop who went undercover on NAMBLA. He described the vast network of pedos who hid in plain sight - because they hold positions of esteem in the community. They had booklets and leaflets they used to distribute to each other instructing how to attract children, how to groom them, how to introduce them to the pleasures of sex with hairy old pussy-bitch-men-monsters years before their little bodies were prepared for these acts.

This was at least a decade before the advent of the internet, imagine how much more easily these beasts can now ply their trade. And the higher the positions of power they hold, the more of a cudgel against exposure. Because anyone who discovers their activities could end up seriously compromised.

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 03:37 PM (jm/9g)

250 yeah it's not a good word. I'll change it.



It's a two-dollar word that isn't actually useful.

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (LCRYB)

Well, you don't have to get.....something...about it.

Posted by: Weirddave at December 13, 2012 03:50 PM (aH+zP)

251 "Orwell was correct"

Orwell based his Ministry of Truth on his experiences working for the BBC.

Not kidding.

Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 13, 2012 03:52 PM (OqWMe)

252 >>>What sort of vicious weaklings does the BBC hire? What sort of malevolent cowards are attracted to that organization?

Judging by the BBC docudrama about the BBC, they hire bravo heroes who continually go up against the government, especially the US government and the joooooooos!

Posted by: Walkers! at December 13, 2012 03:52 PM (0Ufr+)

253 Are we going to have to wait for the little royal to get past 20 weeks before the press starts to ask about Prince Charles' relationship with Seville?

Posted by: Jean at December 13, 2012 03:58 PM (46qC3)

254 Kallisto, I don't remember much about the AG election, except that she never identified herself as a Dem in her commercials. But from what I understand, she said in one of the debates, directly, that she would probe Corbett over this.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 13, 2012 04:05 PM (YmPwQ)

255 Why did it happen?

Same reason Hitler rose to power--people cannot believe clowns or idiots can perpetrate such cunning violence. It's really two different tracks: intelligence is not needed at all to achieve such evil.

Posted by: PJ at December 13, 2012 04:05 PM (ZWaLo)

256 Pedophilia is not considered immoral in many elite
circles in Europe and in the US; it's just kept quiet because they know
us plebes still do not approve. I believe Jimmy Savile and Jerry
Sandusky are just the tip of the iceberg, and both were known and
tolerated by superiors who saw nothing wrong with their behavior at all.
Hollywood is full of pedophiles; the stories have leaked out about some
very famous child stars being sexually abused by directors and studio
execs. The names of the abusers are being kept secret, but I wonder how
long that will last.



Once we accept gay marriage, the next effort will be to lower the
age of consent to 14, or to abolish it altogether. Mark my words. The
elites are pushing gay marriage for a reason, and it isn't because it's
the civil rights issue of our time. It's the gateway to legalizing
adult-child sexual relationships.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (aBlZ1)


Bang spot on for everything here. I'm very interested to see if the trail ends with Sandusky because from what I've heard there are plenty of people elsewhere who were using his organization for sick purposes that make him look like a bit player.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 13, 2012 04:26 PM (GnJTT)

257 Once we accept gay marriage, the next effort will be to lower the
age of consent to 14, or to abolish it altogether. Mark my words. The
elites are pushing gay marriage for a reason, and it isn't because it's
the civil rights issue of our time. It's the gateway to legalizing
adult-child sexual relationships.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (aBlZ1)

Bang spot on for everything here. I'm very interested to see if the trail ends with Sandusky because from what I've heard there are plenty of people elsewhere who were using his organization for sick purposes that make him look like a bit player.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 13, 2012 04:26 PM (GnJTT)>>>
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>That's a fine opinion, but you have to realize that it's a prescription for permanent political marginalization. This is so fringe, so ridiculous, that I can't believe anybody takes it seriously, much less declares "bang spot on". If political alienation to the extreme is the plan, to somehow justify an armed revolt of some sort, that's the only way supporting this makes any sense at all. And even then, it's barely there intellectually, morally or politically. Does anybody here think anythingless than the homosexual=pedophilia analogy is appeasement togays/liberals?If so, the GOP is dead in the house in two years. You can "mark my words" on that.

Posted by: romulus at December 13, 2012 04:37 PM (MgN9a)

258 On a different note, we're attending the boy's last middle school chorus performance tonight. High school looms. Before the election I had hoped he would graduate into something other than an (economically) devastated wasteland, but now? The kid's definitely college material, but since the dems will pull out all the stops to prevent that little bubble from popping, I just don't know. Bah.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 13, 2012 05:00 PM (MbXOQ)

259 Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 13, 2012 04:05 PM (YmPwQ)
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She won by a pretty healthy margin.

Recall though, that Corbett won election to AG while Fast Eddie was governor. Maybe part of the dumbass AG-elect's constituency was that oh so sophisticated voter that likes to have "balance" in Harrisburg.
But I do believe the mob wants Corbett's head for allegedly slow-walking the Sandusky investigation. Corbett didn't even get it until 2009 when the Clinton County DA didn't want to touch the hot potato and rolled it to him. I even heard Steve Martorano, a way lib talk show host defend him. The NYT wrote an article describing all the pitfalls and obstacles Corbett had to overcome during the investigation. It really isn't easy to get sex abuse victims to come forward in any scenario, especially when the perp is so close to the legendary JoePa.

Unless Corbett does something to really make a positive mark on this state and its voters in the next two years, I hope Castor primaries him and wins. Because in a media-savvy world, Castor is younger, cuter, and more articulate. (and accomplished, as well).

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 05:03 PM (jm/9g)

260 homosexual=pedophilia analogy



Where did rockmom or I say that? It's about breaking down barriers one at a time.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 13, 2012 05:58 PM (MyxlP)

261
Once we accept gay marriage, the next effort will be to lower the
age of consent to 14, or to abolish it altogether. Mark my words. The
elites are pushing gay marriage for a reason, and it isn't because it's
the civil rights issue of our time. It's the gateway to legalizing
adult-child sexual relationships.

Posted by: rockmom at December 13, 2012 02:30 PM (aBlZ1)

This is why we lose elections, Rockmom. Speaking of "gateways" put down the "rock" pipe. Go back to being "mom".

Posted by: Steel-eye Dan at December 13, 2012 09:32 PM (XC3Mz)

262 If authorities would fully investigate Penn State I think they'd see something similar. Sandusky was pimping out those boys as well as getting some on the side. This behavior is infested in all aspects of all elite society. It's truly disgusting and if most people understood how integral it is in our society th would then truly understand how list we really all are - its pandemic.

Posted by: Quiz1 at December 13, 2012 10:14 PM (vA3os)

263 Sorry for typos - fat fingers on iPad. TLDR - we are effed. Our Lord told St. Catherine of Sienna that even the demons, who inspire this lust, flee the actual act. They are still angelic beings after all, and it's that disturbing. And we aren't even talking the children riding it up the poop shoot. Truly believe this - pedophilia is RAMPANT.

Posted by: Quiz1 at December 13, 2012 10:19 PM (vA3os)

264 This is why we lose elections, Rockmom. Speaking of "gateways" put down the "rock" pipe. Go back to being "mom".

Posted by: Steel-eye Dan at December 13, 2012 09:32 PM (XC3Mz)


Yeah rockmom's the problem; it doesn't have a fucking thing to do with nominating unelectable turds like McRINO and Willard. And having complete retards for voters. But please keep blaming rockmom because throwing around shit like that does a lot of fucking good.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 13, 2012 10:29 PM (MyxlP)

265 I wonder the real reason that Indian nurse hanged herself. Was it over embarrassment for accepting a crank call, or the ridicule and abuse she took from her co-workers at the NHS?

Posted by: deepred at December 14, 2012 12:21 PM (YmACv)






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