Chris Matthews: Media Was Biased During Election Season
(By Being Too Fair To Republicans)

One of his examples of "wild statements" the press was too soft on Republicans for was "putting women in binders."

Safe link to Newsbusters.

via @scottjw

I know this is pie-in-the-sky and I don't think it will happen, but here is what we desperately need: We need a coalition of biliionaires to simply buy a network and make sure the news division reports things objectively.

Not like Fox, which is a self-styled alternative to what was once called the Mainstream Media.

No, we need an operation -- we need to capture an institution -- and not label it an alternative to anything. So that it stands on its own. Not as an "alternative" to Mainstream Media, but as Mainstream Media itself.

And yes, a Mainstream Media which just so happens to report things objectively. As an actual Mainstream Media should.

Oh: Glenn Reynolds just wrote about this in the NYPost. I know it's been going around the comments, too.

He suggests a lower-cost option than buying a network: Buying women's magazines or at least websites.

My suggestion: Buy some women’s magazines. No, really. Or at least some women’s Web sites.

One of the groups with whom Romney did worst was female “low-information voters.” Those are women who don’t really follow politics, and vote based on a vague sense of who’s mean and who’s nice, who’s cool and who’s uncool.

Since, by definition, they don’t pay much attention to political news, they get this sense from what they do read. And for many, that’s traditional women’s magazines — Redbook, Cosmopolitan, Glamour, the Ladies Home Journal, etc. — and the newer women’s sites like YourTango, The Frisky, Yahoo! Shine, and the like.

The thing is, those magazines and Web sites see themselves, pretty consciously, as a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party. So while nine out of 10 articles may be the usual stuff on sex, diet and shopping, the 10th will always be either soft p.r. for the Democrats or soft — or sometimes not-so-soft — hits on Republicans.

When a flier about getting away with rape was found in a college men’s bathroom, the women’s site YourTango (“Your Best Love Life”) led with the fact that the college was Paul Ryan’s alma materin a transparent effort to advance the Democrats’ War on Women claim that Republicans are somehow pro-rape. A companion article was “12 Hot Older Men Who Endorse President Obama.”

Similar p.r. abounded across the board: Sandra Fluke is a hero; Sarah Palin is a zero. Republicans are all old white men (women or minority Republicans get mocked or ignored).

This kind of thing adds up, especially among low-information voters. They may not know or care much about the specifics, but this theme, repeated over and over again, sends a message: Democrats are cool, and Republicans are uncool — and if you vote for them, you’re uncool, too.

My only thought here is that you don't need to buy a woman's website; you could just build it from the ground up. That might work out cheaper.

Reynolds is right about how bias works, how these media institutions sell politics-- 90% of this stuff has nothing at all to do with politics. It's the 10% they throw in that does.

So why can't we do the exact same thing?

I think a lot of conservative writers would love writing about something other than politics, at least some of the time.

Posted by: Ace at 12:35 PM



Comments

1 who pays your salary for writing this?

Posted by: eggs benedict at December 13, 2012 12:36 PM (FpBe1)

2 I'll do my part.

I'll buy Newsweek.

*counts out change*

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 12:36 PM (GQ8sn)

3 Calling all conservative millionaires and billionaires.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 13, 2012 12:37 PM (7ObY1)

4 We need a coalition of biliionaires to simply buy a network and make sure the news division reports things objectively.


Why buy the whole network, just buy the news division?

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 12:37 PM (YdQQY)

5 I'm not going to go all "leftist" on this and say that all MSNBC anchors should be locked up, but they ALL should be required to be subjected to a psychiatric evaluation.

I'm just sayin.....

Posted by: � Sponge at December 13, 2012 12:38 PM (UK9cE)

6 The media is the core of every problem we have.

We need to fight now. Boycott or everyone buys Comcast stock or something.

Are we a bunch of whinny idiots or do we fight?

I don't accept the situation anymore. I am fighting it. We are stronger together though.

Let's start a thread on how we can fight.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 13, 2012 12:38 PM (2x+V2)

7 Not like Fox, which is a self-styled alternative to what was once called the Mainstream Media.


All the libs call Fox "far right wing" and some conservatives call it center right. It is neither. It is center left. Just not hard left like the rest of them.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 12:38 PM (YdQQY)

8 Who wants to read actual news?

Lots of people SAY they do or think they do, but I don't think its true.

There is a free market out there, and if "real" news worked, why doesn't it exist already?

Posted by: looking closely at December 13, 2012 12:39 PM (6Q9g2)

9 Yeah, just imagine if the Koch brothers bought a media outlet.

Not only would it be targeted with bomb threats on a daily basis, anyone employed there would fear for their lives just showing up to work each day.

Swatting would only be the beginning of what they would face.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 13, 2012 12:40 PM (UK9cE)

10 I am sure Tim Russert hated this ass-clown. Russert was the only one with enough integrity and guts to reign in MSNBC. I remember when Matthews and Olbermann were interviewed the evening of Russert's death. They knew that the impediment to their objectives had been removed. They were licking their chops.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at December 13, 2012 12:40 PM (wbmaj)

11 Let Harry Belafonte ass fuck you, Chris. Get the tingle back.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 12:40 PM (XkWWK)

12 By the way Ace, you are finally thinking along the lines I am.

1. Boycott Comcast.
2. Hopefully stock goes down.
3. We all quietly but as many shares as we can.
4. Flip management.
5. We are NOT conservative news we are just news.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 13, 2012 12:40 PM (2x+V2)

13 Ace, your billionaire plan wouldn't work, because the instant that they took over said network, the network would be labeled as a right-wing kook hate network and would therefore become de facto equivalent to Fox News.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (m/eXi)

14 All the libs call Fox "far right wing" and some
conservatives call it center right. It is neither. It is center left.
Just not hard left like the rest of them.


Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 12:38 PM (YdQQY)


I agree, Vic. Just like my description of the current Republican Party.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (UK9cE)

15 #9

Never kick a skunk.

I think any new news outlet wouldn't have to worry about attacks from leftist terrorists, but rather from every OTHER news outlet which would never hold back from trying to de-legitimize same.

Posted by: looking closely at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (6Q9g2)

16 There is a free market out there, and if "real" news worked, why doesn't it exist already?


Posted by: looking closely at December 13, 2012 12:39 PM (6Q9g2)

Because the news shows are not operated as free market by the alphabets. They lose money every year and are subsidized by the networks using revenue from other shows.
CNN and Fox operate as a separate entity. CNN is about to go bankrupt and has been laying off people.
Fox appears to be doing OK.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (YdQQY)

17 Well, NBC-Comcast is out. but the other two are possibles?

and bomb threats or no, I'd be happy to work for KochCBS or AdelsonABC.

definitely.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (F+ZCA)

18 I'm sure Obama was in a binder full of Kenyans at some point

Posted by: eggs benedict at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (FpBe1)

19 Hey, a Chris Matthews thread. I'll get the ball rolling by pointing out that Chris Matthews is a racist drunk.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (QKKT0)

20 Good luck finding non-lefty journalists to work in that news department.

Posted by: HH at December 13, 2012 12:42 PM (XXwdv)

21 Taking over a network from the outside doesn't work. It has to be an authentic takeover - from within. That means changing the J schools.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 13, 2012 12:42 PM (m/eXi)

22 Dear God: Please. Quick.

Posted by: EveR at December 13, 2012 12:42 PM (pPOhx)

23 7 Not like Fox, which is a self-styled alternative to what was once called the Mainstream Media.


All the libs call Fox "far right wing" and some conservatives call it center right. It is neither. It is center left. Just not hard left like the rest of them.
Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 12:38 PM (YdQQY)



They use the language, among other things, to frame the debate and create paradigm shifts. They never call Republicans or conservatives just that. They always add the prefixes "far right" "radical" or "extreme." It makes their positions seem normal and widely accepted. Anything else isn't merely wrong, but dangerous and/or evil.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 12:42 PM (XkWWK)

24 Because rethuglicans love shoving women into small spaces

Posted by: alex at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (uFY4s)

25 Chris Matthews' life choice: Vietnam or the Peace Corps? He "served" in the Peace Corps. I'm not sure what meedals he achieved. I guess he couldn't firgure out how to reach the Canadian Border.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (wbmaj)

26 Can someone, anyone, explain the binders thing to me? Seriously, I do not comprehend why this is a terrible evil horrible yet also funny thing.


I will admit that some of my failure to comprehend it stems from refusing to grant that misspeaking during a live event is a true revelation of what a person thinks from the same people who act like Obama never ever said there are 57 states.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

27 I would like to see a "Just the Facts, Ma'am" site - where the editors specifically reject the biased, loaded, and otherwise manipulative words and simply tell us what is going on in the world.

Posted by: Watcher at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (RQfiQ)

28 I think a lot of conservative writers would love writing about something other than politics, at least some of the time.


Kate Upton vs Kelly Brook

Who is hotter and who will sleep with you first if you're the last man in the world? Find out on page 10!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (GQ8sn)

29 of COURSE you can find young journos to work there!

come on. you guys are too negative.

IT CAN BE DONE

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (F+ZCA)

30 Ace, your billionaire plan wouldn't work, because
the instant that they took over said network, the network would be
labeled as a right-wing kook hate network and would therefore become de
facto equivalent to Fox News.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 13, 2012 12:41 PM (m/eXi)


But I think you're wrong.

Fox is crushing in the ratings DESPITE being defamed EVERY DAY of it's existence.

IF a competitive market was created for Fox, and was a TRUE objective outlet, it's ratings would ALSO crush the current MSM. People would stand up and take notice.

A majority of Americans do NOT consider themselves liberal. This would prove those numbers out. And the left would just further show it's collective ass and more lights would be shined on the roach colony.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (UK9cE)

31 Yes, Yes! Actually it'd be great if there was some hedge fund or mutual fund that'll do this for cons. I'll gladly invest.

Posted by: MJH at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (7QQQK)

32 8 Who wants to read actual news?

Lots of people SAY they do or think they do, but I don't think its true.

There is a free market out there, and if "real" news worked, why doesn't it exist already?
Posted by: looking closely at December 13, 2012 12:39 PM (6Q9g2)

__________________________

Good point. It could be that people prefer--

confirmation, validation.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (r2PLg)

33 CNN WILLNbe bailed out by ABC or CBS

Posted by: alex at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (uFY4s)

34 This is the wrong way to go about it. The problem is that there is a MSM in the first place. We need to act in ways that hurt the institutions and break the ability of the Progressives to spoonfeed information to the public. This plan would simply add a drop of reality to the spoonful of horseshit.

Open source everything.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (je2hI)

35 OMG the women's media idea is EXCELLENT

again, I am perfect for this job! would apply immediately

wow.

I wonder how a NotInsaneJezebel might do?!?!

I think it might do pretty damn well!

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (F+ZCA)

36 Trapper Keeper is funded by the Kochs

Posted by: eggs benedict at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (FpBe1)

37 #16

I'm not talking about an economic market, I'm talking about audience market.

Whether or not ABC/CBS/NBC can run a profit on their news services is only tangentially relevant here.

My point is if the viewing public really wanted "real" (ie utterly non-partisan) news programming, someone in the marketplace would step up to fill the niche and provide it.

I simply don't think the public does want that. They either don't know that the legacy media is heavily left-biased, or don't care, and likely both.


Posted by: looking closely at December 13, 2012 12:46 PM (6Q9g2)

38 I'm volunteering to write a soft pron show for HBO that involved a lot of girl on girl action using slightly crazy, yet fundamentally conservative women who are also quite engaging.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 13, 2012 12:46 PM (iuY0Y)

39
Heh. Buy the Oprah Network, that would be full of irony.

And fat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 13, 2012 12:46 PM (n/ubI)

40 CNN and Fox operate as a separate entity. CNN is about to go bankrupt and has been laying off people.
Fox appears to be doing OK.



Fox is pwning everyone in the cable news field based on viewers. BoR's numbers dwarf the next three lower competitors combined!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM (GQ8sn)

41 ...and by engaging I mean hot as hell.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM (iuY0Y)

42 >>>>I think a lot of conservative writers would love writing about something other than politics, at least some of the time.



We need our own brand of Hipster, preferably without the skinny jeans and thick-framed glasses.

Posted by: taylork at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM (ppNDn)

43 Good luck finding non-lefty journalists to work in that news department.

You don't have to get non-lefties to work in the department. The only one you need to consider is the editors. Control the top down.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM (i2Lsf)

44 My only thought here is that you don't need to buy a woman's website; you could just build it from the ground up. That might work out cheaper.


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Then we all should support Beck's "The Blaze". Because that's exactly what he's trying to do.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM (OqZHj)

45 I'm thinking of doing the following. How does this sound for a plan?

I'm thinking of sending out just simple, one to two line missives to some of my local newspapers. Brief things like, "When is President Obama going to spend some of his political capital to reform entitlements, like he told the Chicago Tribune he'd do back in 2009?" Or, "How come there's such a thing as the Voting Rights Act if voter fraud doesn't exist?" Send it to the "Letters to the Editor" address, and just keep doing it at least once a week, maybe more. I'd like to swamp them with paper.

Sound doable?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 12:48 PM (4df7R)

46 I continue to be baffled by the traction that "binders" comment got. It seems that the left can demonize Republicans with just about anything, whether it makes sense or not.

I guess having an ignorant, hateful, unquestioning base is a real advantage, huh?

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 12:48 PM (0DlnM)

47 Then we all should support Beck's "The Blaze". Because that's exactly what he's trying to do.

And The Blaze is labeled as a far right hate news site. Just as was said.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 13, 2012 12:49 PM (i2Lsf)

48 The Blaze is just kind of boring tho

and I like skinny jeans and cool glasses!

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (F+ZCA)

49 27 I would like to see a "Just the Facts, Ma'am" site - where the editors specifically reject the biased, loaded, and otherwise manipulative words and simply tell us what is going on in the world.
Posted by: Watcher at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (RQfiQ)

___________________

There is supposedly psychological profile of--"the journalists"--part of it is they consider themselves, White Knights--heroes of the little guy, righters of wrong--it might be impossible for them to keep themselves out of it--because they are such great people after all.

They have a psychological profile that drives them to appoint themselves as referees.

You could hire scientists but then--that might be real dry stuff.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (r2PLg)

50 We also need a "soft" PR campaign to help reestablish "freedom", "tolerance", "financial management" and other basically American values as important, and desirable, character issues.

Posted by: Watcher at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (RQfiQ)

51
My only thought here is that you don't need to buy a woman's website; you could just build it from the ground up. That might work out cheaper.


Cheaper, but then you have to establish the brand. The point of buying an existing site and/or publication is that it's already established and already has a base clientele. Since they're low info idiots anyway they probably wouldn't notice that ownership had changed hands and they'd just keep reading like they always have. But if you create your own site or publication, you're going to have to get past the echo chamber in which they live that says, "Oh, you don't want to go THERE. They're a nasty site run by icky conservatives!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (4df7R)

52
26 Can someone, anyone, explain the binders thing to me? Seriously, I do not comprehend why this is a terrible evil horrible yet also funny thing. I will admit that some of my failure to comprehend it stems from refusing to grant that misspeaking during a live event is a true revelation of what a person thinks from the same people who act like Obama never ever said there are 57 states.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 12:44 PM (VtjlW)


Because its not. Its just conversational english instead of proper english. Liberal are idiots so they want to freak out because Romney said "binders full of women" instead of properly saying "binders full of resumes of women."

And of course you know that if it had been Obama saying it the line would always get written as "binders full [of resumes] of women.

Posted by: buzzion at December 13, 2012 12:51 PM (GULKT)

53 "I think a lot of conservative writers would love writing about something other than politics, at least some of the time."

Yes, but you would have to get the approval of dedicated conservatives such as "mad as hell." And I highly doubt such red-blooded 100% American heroes such as these would allow communist loving film lovers like ourselves to get away with it.

Posted by: Cashin at December 13, 2012 12:51 PM (TYEu4)

54 Weasel Zippers is far superior to Blaze

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 12:51 PM (79ueO)

55 >>>>Can someone, anyone, explain the binders thing to me? Seriously, I do not comprehend why this is a terrible evil horrible yet also funny thing.



Apparently, it showed that Mittens didn't personally know enough highly qualified women and this was a concern (I don't get it, but that what some of my lib friends said). Never mind that research says you have to go out recruiting to find highly qualified women.

Also, I think there was some Mormon polygamy shit going on there too. Oddly enough, the same group that was crying Racism the loudest was also bashing mormonism.

Posted by: taylork at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (ppNDn)

56 Come on Ace.

It doesn't matter how objective a newly bought network portrays itself; anything not towing the left narrative is going to be defined as right wing propaganda by the MFM.

But Gatekeeper media/cable/MSM etc. is dying. Billionaires who share out politics need to be funding the development of quality programming for multiple subscription based tv networks. It's not the norm now, but it will be long before the next election.

Cultural programming as well as news. We need the Gutfeld/Mamet-ization of the right. Funny and engaging material with Libertarian ideals.

Posted by: Atlas Mugged at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (u0GTE)

57 Support Breitbart. I also like Jammie Wearing Fool and Gateway Pundit.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (XkWWK)

58 Fox is pwning everyone in the cable news field based on viewers. BoR's numbers dwarf the next three lower competitors combined!

Maybe what the right needs is a conservative alternative to Bill O'Reilly. Or at least a non-dumbshit alternative. The folks deserve better.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (+lsX1)

59
What ticks me off the most about the whole "binders" thing is that the term was swiped from Romney's attempt to point out that his administration as governor of Massachusetts treated its female employees much better than Obama's White House has. Instead it ended up being used to attack Romney's supposed anti-female attitudes (which he obviously has since he's conservative /sarc off).

And Matthews has the gall to complain that the media didn't run far enough with it in support of Obama?

Posted by: junior at December 13, 2012 12:53 PM (UWFpX)

60 I suggest a "feminist" website that shows women how to liberate themselves from the tyranny of the male dominated service/repair industry.

If you get them thinking they can fix busted shit themselves with a few basic tools and some knowledge, that's a valuable first step towards thinking independence rather than dependence.

There's a lot of so called "feminists" who want to think they're "independent" who are actually utterly dependent on the male dominated power structure that's been setup to ensnare them, extract their money, and keep them from truly becoming independent entities.

I think I got the sales pitch rhetoric down there, right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 12:53 PM (gyVJ0)

61 the MFM would say it's a Racist White binder even if it was a Hispanic binder

Posted by: eggs benedict at December 13, 2012 12:53 PM (FpBe1)

62
One thing seems certain, conservatives are going to have to do it under the radar, here and there. The long slow counter attack through the institutions.

I just don't know that there will be enough time, at some point, that national debt monster is going to awaken.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 13, 2012 12:53 PM (n/ubI)

63 Let Harry Belafonte ass fuck you, Chris. Get the tingle back.

Again???

Well, OK. But only if he brings me an autograph from Hugo.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at December 13, 2012 12:54 PM (SY2Kh)

64 Maybe what the right needs is a conservative alternative to Bill O'Reilly. Or at least a non-dumbshit alternative. The folks deserve better.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (+lsX1)

________________

Slightly less arrogant--could we just get that?

And then there is--

Shep.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM (r2PLg)

65 1. Boycott Comcast

In some ways the USA is more backward then some third world nations that are completely fiber optic'd. I'm lucky to have FIOS and Verizon. From pole to pole, Comcast is nothing but 1950's technology. Shitty 1950's technology backed up by the finest customer service New Delhi can offer.

If you want an alternative, start bugging your phone company. It's even cheaper then Comcast, despite what those liars advertise.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM (feFL6)

66 We need our own brand of Hipster, preferably without the skinny jeans and thick-framed glasses.

Posted by: taylork at December 13, 2012 12:47 PM



The kind in the camo and NRA cap?

Posted by: huerfano at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM (bAGA/)

67 I think what would be even cheaper is if we had a few primetime hosts who simply pointed out the ways in which the mainstream media lies and distorts. Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly, et al at FOX just exist to commentate on the news. They don't spend a ton of time complaining about the media, which is kind of the problem.

Posted by: Jason at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM (7L6l7)

68 I'm gonna go Irish all ovah yo ass

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (FpBe1)

69 First promo in a conservative Ladies Mag:

"Ten Hunky Conservative men that want to make you go WOO WOO WOO in the Sack"

Teh ladies want the Woo Woo Woo... and the hipster/metrosexual "men" aren't into that shit...

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (Jls4P)

70 I wonder how a NotInsaneJezebel might do?!?!

I think it might do pretty damn well!
Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 13, 2012 12:45 PM (F+ZCA)



There's a Judith Krantz book where the MacGuffin for the plot involves a woman starting a woman's magazine that, get this, actually loves women. Needless to say, it becomes a huge hit. I've always wondered why none of the magazine conglomerates have started a magazine like that.


I think a lot of conservative writers would love writing about something other than politics, at least some of the time.


There is more to life than politics. Hell, a general interest magazine that just ignored politics utterly would do well. I like talking about movies and music and sports and shoes and cooking and all the rest of it without having to have politics brought into it. I want some place where I can simply be and discuss just how much I suck at Halo without someone making a joke about teabagging a teabagger.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (VtjlW)

71 Maybe what the right needs is a conservative alternative to Bill
O'Reilly. Or at least a non-dumbshit alternative. The folks deserve
better.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 13, 2012 12:52 PM (+lsX1)



Greg Gutfield and Andy Levy? Though I think that Levy is more libertarian than conservative.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (GQ8sn)

72 Yeah, i think the right is suffering from the same thing that made Air America fail, they're putting politics before the entertainment. Air America failed because it assumed it could just bash Bush and Republicans and everyone would find it entertaining, well, no one found it entertaining. You have to entertain people first and then throw the politics in, that's why Stewart, Colbert and Limbaugh have been successful.

Posted by: booger at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (HI6wa)

73 And then there is--



Shep.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM



Cannibals in the Super Dome?

Posted by: huerfano at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (bAGA/)

74 you're not getting it. this is a much longer, deeper, fundamental problem than what a little advertising can fix.

Posted by: wpt at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (l2max)

75 Weasel Zippers is far superior to Blaze
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 12:51 PM (79ueO)


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Does WZ have a scheduled news broadcast on radio/tv? Does it even have occasional podcasts? Who exactly knows about WZ? Just conservatives as far as I've seen when I go there.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (OqZHj)

76
My only thought here is that you don't need to buy a woman's website; you could
just build it from the ground up. That might work out cheaper.




And avoid giving money to the commies too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (4u2LN)

77 Good luck finding non-lefty journalists to work in that news department.

Um, a "journalist" is pretty much anyone that gives themselves the title. It's not a job that requires any particular talent, and certainly doesn't require a one-year "graduate degree" (giggle) from a J-school.

I understand why professional journalists -- who, by and large, are profoundly mediocre widgets who wouldn't last 15 minutes in any intellectually strenuous field -- think of themselves as some kind of credentialed high priesthood. What I don't understand is why anyone else would concede that delusion to them.

And I'm not talking about investigative journalists in war-torn battlefields here. I'm talking about the talking bubbleheads like Soledad O'Brien/Brian Williams and cloistered, pampered hipster douchebags like Ezra Klein/Matt Yglesias pretending to be omniscient superheroes.

When we're fawning over a nothing like Jake Tapper simply because he decides to show up for his job every so often (as opposed to, say, reporting impossible attendance numbers from Dem mayors as gospel and then whining like a bitch when he's called out on it), there's a problem.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 12:58 PM (q5NFp)

78 RE: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (r2PLg)
It might be "dry", but I have noticed that part of the recent media development involves giving people a little information, but in a biased context, so those people can go to their social crowd and appear "informed". What if those same people have access to a brief, easy to digest, account of happenings that doesn't have the biased context? They will be the "one who knows" and the "one to talk with at work", etc. Hopefully, that would change a few dynamics.
(Sorry, I should have told you I am an optimist at heart.)

Posted by: Watcher at December 13, 2012 12:58 PM (RQfiQ)

79 The right-wing media has no credibility and has ruined itself by serving up chopped up lies from Breitbart and crazy conspiracy theories from retards like Glenn Beck.

Made up shit like the phony War on Christmas doesn't help. Birthers, calling Obama a secret Muslim, and the head hancho on Fox News (Bill-O) saying that no one can explain why the tides go in and out contribute to the absurdity of conservative alternative media.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 13, 2012 12:58 PM (BKT6o)

80 Why does it have to be a woman's magazine? Can't it be just a "magazine"?

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 12:58 PM (GQ8sn)

81 To write a women's magazine, we'd have to find someone who wanted to write about yoga and vaginas and stuff. I'm not willing to make that sacrifice.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (Rwrs+)

82 Ace, I get the impression your kind of down on political blogging since the election, not that your output has slowed, more a sense of needing to broaden your subjects. I for one would encourage it youre a talented writer. I have stayed away from all politics blogs myself since Barack 2 with the exception of here of course.

Posted by: Finn McCool at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (x6LDs)

83 Does WZ have a scheduled news broadcast on radio/tv? Does it even have occasional podcasts? Who exactly knows about WZ? Just conservatives as far as I've seen when I go there.
Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (OqZHj)

It has more useful information than the Blaze. It adds new stories many times a day. The Blaze is rather static all day.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (79ueO)

84 There is more to life than politics. Hell, a
general interest magazine that just ignored politics utterly would do
well. I like talking about movies and music and sports and shoes and
cooking and all the rest of it without having to have politics brought
into it. I want some place where I can simply be and discuss just how
much I suck at Halo without someone making a joke about teabagging a
teabagger.







Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 12:56 PM (VtjlW)


You suck at Halo because you're a woman. And gay. And conservative.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (da5Wo)

85 (Sorry, I should have told you I am an optimist at heart.)
Posted by: Watcher at December 13, 2012 12:58 PM (RQfiQ)

___________________

Damn it--never lose that.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:00 PM (r2PLg)

86 The left thinks Bill
O'Reilly is some sort of conservative. You see newbie trolls wafting in here pitching that shit all the time.

BOR is a straight up populist, and a rather ignorant one at that. There's not a logically connected pair of neurons anywhere in his pea sized brain.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:00 PM (gyVJ0)

87 They have a psychological profile that drives them to appoint themselves as referees. Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:50 PM (r2PLg)


So what you're saying is that they are megalomaniacs.

To them,this is not a featurenot a bug.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:00 PM (sbV1u)

88 I like talking about movies and music and sports and shoes and cooking and all the rest of it without having to have politics brought into it.

I know what most of these words mean individually, but, taken together, this is just gobbledygook.

Posted by: Bob Costas at December 13, 2012 01:01 PM (q5NFp)

89 Ace, I get the impression your kind of down on political blogging since the election, not that your output has slowed, more a sense of needing to broaden your subjects. I for one would encourage it youre a talented writer. I have stayed away from all politics blogs myself since Barack 2 with the exception of here of course.
Posted by: Finn McCool at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (x6LDs)


Well it's kinda depressing. Ace or us can blog all day long but obama is kinda calling the shots. If not thru COngress then by Executive Decrees. He is fucking America over one day and one decree at a time.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 01:01 PM (79ueO)

90 If you get them thinking they can fix busted shit themselves with a few basic tools and some knowledge, that's a valuable first step towards thinking independence rather than dependence.

That's an excellent idea Purp. I have been fixin my own shit for years. I always bought a Chilton Manual when I bought a used vehicle until the '96 Yukon. About the only stuff I can't do around the house and yard is real heavy stuff and electricity. I hate messin with electricity. It also helps I know 2 electricians.

Posted by: Infidel at December 13, 2012 01:01 PM (O/fK8)

91

Any more Howard Cosell, Rusty Deflector Shield stories?


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 01:01 PM (XkWWK)

92 Don't forget that one news source can be isolated.
You get one or two more, they can legitimize and play off each other.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 13, 2012 01:01 PM (2x+V2)

93 I do like the idea of taking over a women's magazine.

Just think of the headlines:

Firearms: The Ultimate Birthday Gift For Hubby

Out: Metrosexuals In: Retrosexuals--Why Throwback Men Are The New Sexy

Why I Didn't Abort My Baby

Purse Pocketknifes: Self Reliance Is Stylish

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:02 PM (0DlnM)

94 Notre Dame is gonna trash 'Bama

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at December 13, 2012 01:02 PM (FpBe1)

95 Can He Defend You? 5 Signs You're Dating A Wimp

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:02 PM (0DlnM)

96 You suck at Halo because you're a woman. And gay. And conservative.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (da5Wo)


Hello? Yes. Armory?

Fill up some extra tanks on the flamethrowers.

Oh, at least 10, I'd say.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (sbV1u)

97 It has more useful information than the Blaze. It adds new stories many times a day. The Blaze is rather static all day.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (79ueO)


------------------------------------------------


Oh, you mean like that non-entity website called....what's the name of it? Right.....Drudge.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (OqZHj)

98
There exist a multitude of news sources out there. The MSM are but one facet and they are merely a reflection of life. They exist because there is demand for their product. They exist because people are willing to believeMSM's perception of reality.

The MSM is not the propblem, they are but an outward symptom of the problem.

The problem, of course lies within the culture and within man itself.

Here is my pie-in-sky dream: True compassion for man(kind) can only come in the form of letting theparasites suffer or be taken care of by those individuals that care. The culture needs to change such that everyone is free and unencumbered from other peoples wants. This change will be a slow incremental change that will take decades, if not centuries. And this can happen and I believe will happen as long as word of mouth and face to face communication and persuasion is taking place.

Step 1: Direct friends and family to blogs like this.

Step 2: Persuasively communicate conservative/libertarian/constitutional ideals.

Step 2b: Itlikely may need to burn first.

Step 3: Win.

Posted by: sopistahickidealist at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (UhXzR)

99 74 And then there is--



Shep.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM


Cannibals in the Super Dome?
Posted by: huerfano at December 13, 2012 12:57 PM (bAGA/)

______________________

During the election cycle I pushed for something really simple--

Can we just get Shep to accidentally say--

SCOAMF on the air.

Ga!

We can't even get rid of that guy.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (r2PLg)

100 I suggest a "feminist" website that shows women how to liberate themselves from the tyranny of the male dominated service/repair industry.

If you get them thinking they can fix busted shit themselves with a few basic tools and some knowledge, that's a valuable first step towards thinking independence rather than dependence.



That's actually a good idea. I hate hauling out that stupid term empowering, but it is actually empowering to know that I can put in a new faucet and change a flat and build a basic deck and put up a tent and put together a bookcase. I don't need anyone else to do that for me, I can do that. Once you realize you can do that, you start thinking hey what else can I do?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

101 we'd have to find someone who wanted to write about yoga and vaginas and stuff.

For cash I'd gladly write about that stuff. Just do a Jayson Blair and make shit up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (gyVJ0)

102 I always bought a Chilton Manual when I bought a used vehicle until the '96 Yukon.

Heh, i still have all my Chilton manuals.

Posted by: booger at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (HI6wa)

103 I'm not convinced taking over a media outlet is the smart or game-changing thing to do.

As others have pointed out above, the outlets are mostly un-profitable extensions of larger conglomerates. The Wall Street Journal, while a reliably profitable company, is still a subsidiary of the Dow Jones Company.

In guerrilla warfare, you don't set up a fixed base of operations. Fox News has been boxed up by the Left because it's a fixed base, identifiable and therefore "frozen."

The TEA party groups started something that could work to break through the statist deadlock but also became "frozen" by the Left. It seems by identifying with a single name "TEA party,"while seemly necessary, this allows Alinsky tactics to work.

I have no more of an idea of what to do than the next moron, but I think that the first person or group to synthesize Alinsky and Lawrence of Arabia will have found an answer.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (TtXjG)

104 Oh, you mean like that non-entity website called....what's the name of it? Right.....Drudge.
Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (OqZHj)


I wasn't talking about Drudge?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (79ueO)

105 Motherhood: The Power Career Of The New Millenium

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (0DlnM)

106 Hello? Yes. Armory?



Fill up some extra tanks on the flamethrowers.



Oh, at least 10, I'd say.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent
Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:03 PM (sbV1u)


I'm not afraid to hide behind hot cheerleaders.

In fact, that sounds like an excellent place to be.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (da5Wo)

107 Chrissy Matthews: The MFM was way to easy on Republicans. After all Romney gave some woman cancer, didn't let her get any treatment, laughed at her funeral and danced on her grave and the MFM barely mentioned it. Her poor husband was left to lie about on it on a commercial

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (1Jaio)

108 Slap Him For Crying: How To Make Men Out Of Your Boys

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (je2hI)

109 Study: Strong Silent Types Make For The Best Husbands

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:05 PM (0DlnM)

110 "Target on Couplehood: The Couple that Shoots Together Stays Together"
Find out how taking regular trips to the range together can be a great relationship builder, from the ladies who know!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:05 PM (4df7R)

111 I'm not afraid to hide behind hot cheerleaders. In fact, that sounds like an excellent place to be. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (da5Wo)


Oh, they're about to be hot alright -2,500 degrees I would think.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (sbV1u)

112 Once again: somebody smart explain to me how a bunch of identifiably CONSERVATIVE people attempting to either purchase or build a "nonpartisan" media organ or a woman's website/magazine would turn into anything but "oh look at this right-wing undercover shill operation!!.

Because literally EVERY OTHER ORGAN IN THE MEDIA would instantly unite, like fucking Voltron, to label this new organization as such. Both because of partisan bias and out of a fear that their bottom line is being threatened.

The competitive advantage at this point is simply insurmountable. The race is permanently lost for media supremacy.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (TuW+p)

113 We may not have to. I've seen a few things that lead me to believe that CBS wants to shift more towards the middle, not out of any sense of objectivity, but because that's where the biggest untapped market is. The move, should it happen, will be for reasons of economic survival.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (USJNU)

114 To write a women's magazine, we'd have to find someone who wanted to write about yoga and vaginas and stuff. I'm not willing to make that sacrifice.

Agreed. It would probably be less painful just to go on a worldwide tour convincing women not to be so vapid, shallow, and obsessed with utterly trivial bullshit.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (q5NFp)

115 "Stompy Boots - Are they a Fashion Statement or a Political Statement?" by AtC

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (Jls4P)

116 Is Your School Turning Your Boys Into Girls? How Feminization Hurts Young Men

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (0DlnM)

117 Oh, they're about to be hot alright -2,500 degrees I would think.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent
Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (sbV1u)


No way AtC flames hot cheerleaders. No way.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (da5Wo)

118 Okay, so I see that chemjeff beat me to my point.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (TuW+p)

119 Heh, i still have all my Chilton manuals.

Ah, me too. Still have the '95 HD repair manual for the bike I had to sell.

Posted by: Infidel at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (O/fK8)

120 Start Target Practice Early--

The Toilet!

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (r2PLg)

121 ...and the newer women’s sites like YourTango, The Frisky, Yahoo! Shine, and the like

I am proud to say that before this, I had never heard of any of these sites.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (6zgse)

122 101 Recipes To Help Your Family Avoid the Statist Health System
... and improve your sex life too!

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (je2hI)

123
As soon as the MSM and Left (BIRM) get up to speed in administering the Fox Treatment to your Non-Alternative, Non-Fox Alternative Fox News-style Fox News outlet...it'll be just as Faux as Foxin the retarded eyes of 60%+ of this nation.


Posted by: Jaws at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (4I3Uo)

124

Back in 2008 Obama told Hillary voters that he didn't need them to win the election. He was right.

We need to somehow reach Obama's coalition of misfits and miscreants...and that's a lot harder than buying a women's magazine.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (wsGWu)

125 You suck at Halo because you're a woman. And gay. And conservative.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 12:59 PM (da5Wo)



Okay, first of all, I'm not gay, I'm bi. Yes, there is a difference. Second of all, bite me.


Oh hey you might like this trailer!

http://youtu.be/7ASEvv9aR98

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (VtjlW)

126 Come the Revolution, they will be among the first we put up against the wall.

Posted by: Paladin at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (hxLER)

127 Starbucks Sipping Sissies: Why Your Boyfriend Is A Fucking Homo

Too much?

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (0DlnM)

128 I think if you want to target the female demographic, you have to come at it from multiple sides. There are going to be women who are more interested in the homelife magazines like "Woman's Day" or "Good Housekeeping," and then there are those who are going to want the dating quizzes and sex tips and want stuff like "Cosmo" and "Vogue."

And I think what we REALLY need to focus on is the younger generation. Start buying up some Tiger Beat-style sites and magazines and start pimping some decent behavior.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (4df7R)

129 A conservative-owned magazine should feature boobehs and guns, and more boobehs.

Posted by: Roy at December 13, 2012 01:09 PM (VndSC)

130 Slap Him For Crying: How To Make Men Out Of Your Boys
Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:04 PM (je2hI)I'll pay to read that article.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 13, 2012 01:09 PM (Rwrs+)

131 We need to somehow reach Obama's coalition of misfits and miscreants...and that's a lot harder than buying a women's magazine.
Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (wsGWu)


Yes, but the point is that it's a place to start. Until you have a place to start, you can't figure out the best route to reach the finish line.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:09 PM (4df7R)

132 We need to somehow reach Obama's coalition of misfits and miscreants...and that's a lot harder than buying a women's magazine. Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (wsGWu)


You start the way they did. With the education system.

It's a long hard slog, but it obviously works.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:09 PM (sbV1u)

133 The competitive advantage at this point is simply insurmountable. The race is permanently lost for media supremacy.

I don't agree. See my post above. The desire to keep getting paid will eventually lead someone to break from the pack. Who cares if the rest of them don't like it? The maverick will be financially sound, and the others will be circling the drain after Newsweek.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:09 PM (USJNU)

134 --Posted by: runninrebel

I know that's tongue in cheek, but is there a way to convince women that the government is attempting to usurp their parenting?

Would that get them fired up? What if we found a way to argue, "Hey. you're the mom. YOU should be making these decisions about (fill-in-the-blank), not the goverment or some bureaucrat. Who do they think they are?

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:11 PM (0DlnM)

135 No way AtC flames hot cheerleaders. No way. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:07 PM (da5Wo)


Oh no. Of course not. She's separate all the "10s" from the "9s", keep the "10s" for herself and then flame you and the "9s"

Posted by: Sean BannionChief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:11 PM (sbV1u)

136 Because literally EVERY OTHER ORGAN IN THE MEDIA would instantly unite, like fucking Voltron, to label this new organization as such.

We're OK then until they realize that the Blazing Sword is dynamite in a game of robk-paper-scissors.

Every freaking episode. "Let's hit it with the aromatherapy! Gahhhhhhhhh! Ooooooooh! Aaarrrrgh! That's not working! Try the Electric Slide! Noooooooooo! Wait -- we're coming up against a hard break; form Blazing Sword!"

I don't think this giant Nannybot you've conceptualized would be allowed to walk around with a concealed WMD like that, so there's still hope.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (q5NFp)

137 but it is actually empowering to know that I can put in a new faucet
and change a flat and build a basic deck and put up a tent and put
together a bookcase


Yep, it is. I wasn't just snarking there, it was a serious proposal.

Empowering, although I hate that word, is exactly it. Having skilz opens up CHOICES you didn't otherwise have. Women like CHOICES right? Choice is good.

Now you can save some bucks and do it yourself, OR choose to hire it out if you'd rather spend your time on something else.

There's gotta be thousands of women who suffer with a running toilet or pay $150 to get a $4 flapper valve changed by a plumber.

Web site, YouTube videos, public access TV.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (gyVJ0)

138 pimping some decent behavior

Okay, I laughed out loud at that one.

*golf clap*

Posted by: Infidel at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (O/fK8)

139 128 Starbucks Sipping Sissies: Why Your Boyfriend Is A Fucking Homo

Too much?
Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (0DlnM)

__________

LOL! Ya--it needs--nuance--or something.

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (r2PLg)

140 #winning

Posted by: 19th Amendment at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (EZl54)

141 I was talking with Domenech about this and he brought up the fact that Time (and I think Reader's Digest) were created by Henry Luce as expressly patriotic, populist, conservative-tilting ventures.

Now, per the rule that any organization which is not explicitly conservative will become liberal over time: Yes, Time became liberal.

But apparently Luce was able to do it, and made a lot of money.

This is not some fantastical proposition.

Posted by: ace at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (LCRYB)

142 "Your Teacher Said WHAT!?: How to talk to your kids about what they're learning, and how to talk to their teachers about what they're teaching!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (4df7R)

143 I still think that the focus of bringing back the idea of "freedom" instead of "free shit" starts in the schools, not the MFM. Most people would be laughing at these news organizations if they knew anything about the true American way of life and it's exceptionalism.

The focus should start with the schools.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (OqZHj)

144 Oh no. Of course not. She's separate all the "10s" from the "9s", keep the "10s" for herself and then flame you and the "9s"

Posted by: Sean BannionChief of the Logistics Directorate, Benevolent Despotism of Alextopia at December 13, 2012 01:11 PM (sbV1u)



Now, now, now, let's not be hasty. I'll totally keep the 9s. The 8s too. It's because of my nobility.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (VtjlW)

145 Male Bonding: How His "Guy Time" Leads To Hotter Sex




Okay, so maybe now I'm just making this about me.

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (0DlnM)

146 Ah, me too. Still have the '95 HD repair manual for the bike I had to sell.

Those things are invaluable, i remember after i got my first one it was like the clouds breaking and the sun shining through when i realized i could do a lot of stuff myself and usually for about 1/4 of the price the mechanic would charge

Posted by: booger at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (HI6wa)

147 >>>>>I know that's tongue in cheek, but is there a way to convince women that the government is attempting to usurp their parenting?


I don't know. I think the big problem is convincing women (and men) that government usurpation of parenting and everything else is not a good idea.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (je2hI)

148 Yeah. Because every woman who reads Cosmo is begging to be harangued by socially conservative bible pounders. That'll do the trick.

Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)

149 Okay, I laughed out loud at that one. *golf clap*
Posted by: Infidel at December 13, 2012 01:12 PM (O/fK


*bow*

I admit I was going to change "pimping" to something less oxymoronic, but in the end I figured, "Eh, it's the HQ. Baby lambs."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (4df7R)

150 The slow decline of the Soviet Union was accelerated when they began not being able to tell when they were lying to themselves. Much like the MMA today, and it is leading us down the path of ruin.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:14 PM (iKSAz)

151 You start the way they did. With the education system.

It's a long hard slog, but it obviously works.


Right, but they seized largely undefended ground and then set to fortifying it. And burning all the villages around it. Ours is a much harder task.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:14 PM (q5NFp)

152 Shit Ain't Free: How Feel Good Goverment Programs Are Fucking Up Your Shoe Budget


Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:15 PM (0DlnM)

153
Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)


Learn how to read, how to comprehend what you're reading, then come back and write like a human instead of a jellyfish's dick.

Buh-bye.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:15 PM (4df7R)

154 149
Yeah. Because every woman who reads Cosmo is begging to be harangued by
socially conservative bible pounders. That'll do the trick.


Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)

________
Totally. Because everyone who is conservative is a bible pounder. No wait, we're all rich white Wall Streeters. No wait, we're all evil oil execs. No wait we're all KKK members. No wait, we're all gun nuts. It's so hard to keep up.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (HDgX3)

155 Okay, first of all, I'm not gay, I'm bi. Yes, there is a difference.



Oh, I am WELL aware of the difference. And what a glorious difference it is. And no Bannion, I'm not explaining, slowly or otherwise.




Second of all, bite me.



Only if you ask nicely.




Oh hey you might like this trailer!



http://youtu.be/7ASEvv9aR98

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:08 PM (VtjlW)


Chinese vampire? I'm not big on foreign films, but looks decent.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (da5Wo)

156 Yeah. Because every woman who reads Cosmo is begging to be harangued by socially conservative bible pounders. That'll do the trick.
Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)



I feel confident in saying that the 'ettes are more than capable, not to mention qualified, to explain to the readers of Spark! how to have a smokin' hot sex life.


Oh. I've decided to name the Horde's women's mag Spark! (yes, you must include the exclamation point). Why? Because is why.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (VtjlW)

157 >>>I don't agree. See my post above. The desire to keep getting paid will
eventually lead someone to break from the pack. Who cares if the rest of
them don't like it?


See, but that already happened, so we know how it plays out: It's called Fox News, and it's a wildly successful moneymaker. However, it has been ghettoized and delegitimized in terms of its crossover reach, branding, and ability to drive national media stories. How many stories have you seen that got play on Fox News and absolutely nowhere else? Because, due to the policy of the rest of the mainstream media, a story that gets heavy coverage on Fox is something that other outlets feel free to ignore as a "partisan" "right-wing" niche thing.

So let's say CBS makes a move towards centrism. Then what will happen is an explosion of media stories about "CBS's right-wing lurch" with analysis about the executives forcing this "great institution" to turn to "partisanship." You'll get huge protest from the journalists and anchors (who are, after all, lefties for the most part), other outlets will begin to ignore stories covered by CBS that reflect poorly on the left, and before long CBS will just be another Designated Partisan Conservative outfit whose news judgment is "out of the mainstream." And at that point it will either return to the fold, or stay out on the "right." It'll make money, sure, but it won't really accomplish OUR goal: which is effectively driving media coverage by reaching low-info or swing voters.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (TuW+p)

158 I am proud to say that before this, I had never heard of any of these sites.

Instapundit links to that shit all the time.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (/kI1Q)

159 Phase 2

Once a few women start to get mechanically liberated and empowered, they start viewing their incompetent hipster pals in a different light...

...maybe they ain't so hip after all. Maybe they're just incompetent and don't know shit because they're amazed that you could change a toilet flush valve on your own.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (gyVJ0)

160 How To Keep Your Man From Cheating On You (With The Government).

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:17 PM (je2hI)

161 Chris Matthews blows popinjays.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:17 PM (KXm42)

162 153
Shit Ain't Free: How Feel Good Goverment Programs Are Fucking Up Your Shoe Budget




Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:15 PM (0DlnM)

__________________
Bingo! It's the soft sell crap that works. You don't come out and say Obama is a Communist. You write a story that the common woman can relate to and throw in subtle Obama is fucking you up because of his policies paragraph of two.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:17 PM (HDgX3)

163 7 Sitcoms That Are Turning Your Daughter Into A Dirty Whore

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:17 PM (0DlnM)

164 The power of the concerted effort of the MFM to agendize is also its biggest tell.

It's a perfect illustration of groupthink with full powers to Alinsky any dissenters. Yet while everyone here knows that, your average lowinfo doesn't begin to pick up on it.

That point needs some serious media-wide bullhorning to reach the inattentive, whether it's through women's mags or through network entertainment, an idea that Ace either had, or linked here last week.

Once the watershed of exposing organized propaganda masquerading as news is reached, it's a whole new ballgame.

I'm oversimplifying for the purpose of staying brief, but it's all possible with the right plans and leadership.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 01:17 PM (aZ6ew)

165 Oh. I've decided to name the Horde's women's mag Spark! (yes, you must include the exclamation point). Why? Because is why.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (VtjlW)


I LIKE IT.

I'd gladly write for it, but I have absolutely no idea what I'd write about. Maybe, "MWR's Words that Need New Definitions."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (4df7R)

166 "You start the way they did. With the education system.

It's a long hard slog, but it obviously works. "

I'm wondering if some of these moves against unions, RTW in MI and what happened in WI is the GOP going after the Left's revenues. It might not be the main objective but it sure as heck is a nice by-product.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (iKSAz)

167
The only way to create more conservatives overnight is to tax every mother fucking body.

People are shitty, self-absorbed fuckheads.

Get into their pocket to fund this commie shit and they will become conservative in a fucking heartbeat.

Posted by: Invictus at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (OQpzc)

168 Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)
___
How can you be sure they won't? If history has taught us anything, it's that humans need to fill an emptiness within. And maybe we've reached a tipping point where no amount of fashion Dos and Don'ts, or bestest sexual positions ever, or girlfriend pointers on how to advance your career...can make a woman feel whole.

Maybe the world is just about ready to turn to the Word of the Lord.

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (jm/9g)

169 Why? Because is why.

Because is why is no excuse.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (KXm42)

170 Okay, first of all, I'm not gay, I'm bi. Yes, there is a difference.

_______________

Nope. You either like to suck dick or you don't like to suck dick. There is no in between.


** NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT**

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (HDgX3)

171 I know that's tongue in cheek, but is there a way to convince women that the government is attempting to usurp their parenting?

I think the fundamental problem here is that government and media have allowed parents to forget that this is their primary job.

I was talking with a woman in her mid-30's two weeks ago. Nice girl. Decent head on her shoulders. Liberal to the core (so, basically, socio-economically retarded). Was essentially bragging that she was refusing any spousal support from her ex-husband. Subsequently went on to nonchalantly mention that she was getting EBT to support her three kids.

And she was part of a group that was out with me in Las Vegas. You know, probably the most expensive city to visit in the entire western hemisphere.

So not sticking your husband with the bills = good. Sticking a pile of strangers who are someone else's husbands = even better.

Welcome to the "modern" woman and her feminist mindset. Soooo independent.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (q5NFp)

172 Right, but they seized largely undefended ground and then set to fortifying it. And burning all the villages around it. Ours is a much harder task.Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:14 PM (q5NFp)


Not as hopeless as you think. They're going to be dying...very soon.

Boomers can't die off soon enough for me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (sbV1u)

173 We need our own brand of Hipster, preferably without the skinny jeans and thick-framed glasses.

Easy. The Conservative Alpha Male. Conservatives who lift weights, wear properly fitted clothing, educate themselves on politics/economics and protect their women.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (HMNg5)

174 Romantic Comedies: Great Entertainment Or A One Way Ticket To Chronic Vaginal Itch?

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (0DlnM)

175 5 Ways Taxes And Regulation Makes Scented Candles More Expensive.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (je2hI)

176
157
Yeah. Because every woman who reads Cosmo is begging to be harangued
by socially conservative bible pounders. That'll do the trick.

Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 01:13 PM (DzvS7)



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I feel confident in saying that the 'ettes are more than capable,
not to mention qualified, to explain to the readers of Spark! how to
have a smokin' hot sex life.





Oh. I've decided to name the Horde's women's mag Spark! (yes, you
must include the exclamation point). Why? Because is why.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (VtjlW)


I love how libs are just sure that all Christians are "anti-sex". My pastor, not that long ago, stood at the pulpit and spoke directly to the teenagers for a moment. "You know what I think about sex? I think it's awesome. I think it's great. I think it's fun. I think it's an incredible gift from God that should be enjoyed thoroughly. I also think it should take place within the confines of a marriage where a couple has committed themselves to each other for life."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:20 PM (da5Wo)

177 Once a few women start to get mechanically liberated and empowered, they
start viewing their incompetent hipster pals in a different light...


And actual men won't give them the time of day. I'm not sure why you think low-info women voters secretly desire to be me instead of wives and mothers, but I assure you, they don't.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:20 PM (/kI1Q)

178 Nope. You either like to suck dick or you don't like to suck dick. There is no in between.


See, sweetie, among the many many awesome things about being me is that there is no such binary option in my world.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:21 PM (VtjlW)

179 first of all, I'm not gay, I'm bi. Yes, there is a difference.
----
More than twice the chance of rejection or so I am told.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 01:21 PM (eEfYn)

180 170 Why? Because is why.

Because is why is no excuse.
Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:18 PM (KXm42)

Judge Judy?

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:21 PM (iKSAz)

181 People are shitty, self-absorbed fuckheads rational maximzers.


FIFY


Posted by: Some Doped Out Lefty Econ Professor at December 13, 2012 01:21 PM (sbV1u)

182 >>>The competitive advantage at this point is simply insurmountable. The race is permanently lost for media supremacy.

Until the world actually ends we are going to plan for it to keep spinning. And that does mean competing in the ideas market outside of politics, and within traditional channels. Yes there will be obstacles to overcome. That doesn't mean that no effort should be attempted.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 13, 2012 01:22 PM (0q2P7)

183 Who do you think would win would win in a girl fight, Lena Dunham or Jacqueline Mackie Paisley Passey?

Posted by: Thinking Things Over at December 13, 2012 01:22 PM (8/DeP)

184 Planning For Your Future: How January Blowjobs Lead to a Fantastic Valentine's Day

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:22 PM (0DlnM)

185 The Howard Cosell Story: How Much Is That Doody In the Window?

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:22 PM (r2PLg)

186 5 Ways Taxes And Regulation Makes Scented Candles More Expensive.
Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 01:19 PM (je2hI)




Obligatory: http://youtu.be/aMRcdxybWIk

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:23 PM (VtjlW)

187 Judge Judy?

Judy? Shirley you can't be serious.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:23 PM (KXm42)

188 SMOD faster

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:23 PM (4+0nx)

189 but I have absolutely no idea what I'd write about.

The market is awash in complete lameness and superficial treatments of serious topics. Just look at others light weight treatments that get favorable comments, and write about the same things, but with real depth.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:24 PM (gyVJ0)

190 Sex! Why liberals are doing it wrong.

Posted by: Lauren at December 13, 2012 01:24 PM (wsGWu)

191 You've got to stay away from the overtly political messages, folks. That'll turn a lot of people away. It's got to be subtle.

"Incense and Peppermints: Aromatherapy solutions to give you confidence and reinforce your independence"

"The Next Greatest Generation: How today's children are going to make tomorrow's America better than today - and how you can help them get there!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:24 PM (4df7R)

192 Obamacare: Get ready to put up with that nasty yeast infection for another month.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:24 PM (OqZHj)

193 Why Not Drilling at Home Is Upping the Price of Your Makeup!

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:24 PM (r2PLg)

194 Special Report: Why Hearing Oprah Makes Your Husband's Dick Go Limp

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:25 PM (0DlnM)

195 178
Once a few women start to get mechanically liberated and empowered, they
start viewing their incompetent hipster pals in a different light...

-----------------

And actual men won't give them the time of day.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:20 PM (/kI1Q)





Horseshit. One of my fav stories to tell about my wife is when she went to have a tire patched, in college, the mechanic gave her this story about how her carburetor was on its last legs and for just $400 he could take care of that for her. Her response "Yeah. See this right here? This would be the fuel injector. I don't have a fucking carburetor. So what you're gonna do is stop fucking with my car and pull it around front. Got it?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:25 PM (da5Wo)

196 >>>Easy. The Conservative Alpha Male. Conservatives who lift weights, wear
properly fitted clothing, educate themselves on politics/economics and
protect their women.

Those guys typically aren't flashy or even want to be noticed on the average day.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 13, 2012 01:25 PM (0q2P7)

197 188 Judge Judy?

Judy? Shirley you can't be serious.
Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:23 PM (KXm42)

She says things like that all the time. She also reads the riot act to able bodied parasites on SSI for "depression" sucking the life out of this country...she's great.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:25 PM (iKSAz)

198 People love to talk about how the "Mainstream Media" is in its death throes, a dying proposition whose influence is on the wane. It's been a trope of ours here on the Right for over a decade now, since 9/11 and the blog explosion at the very least. I see it even in this thread.

I think it's wrong. I think it's TRAGICALLY wrong. I think it's a lie we tell ourselves, based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how the internet, and particularly the propagation of information via new social media applications -- which brings PEER PRESSURE and social dynamics of group behavior to news-gathering for consumers in a way that never existed before -- have changed the game.

Is the old "network/newspaper" model of the mainstream model a dinosaur? Yup, most assuredly. But that only covers the financial and economic model. It says nothing about the true power of the media, the thing they crave and hold onto the most, namely their ability to propagate memes, shape political discourse, and alter the American electorate temperamentally by the tone and angle of coverage. Those factors haven't been altered by declining revenue streams. In fact, the successful weaponization of the internet, and in particular meme/click-monsters like POLITICO and Buzzfeed, has made the liberal MSM vastly more powerful and unstoppable than ever before. Now their information propagates at light speed, shared by a thousand clicks, 'likes', postings to Reddit, Facebook, etc. etc. And that's where social pressure dynamics begin to exert their influence as well.

People said that the post-9/11 advent of the internet culture would herald the death of the claustrophobic strangle of the MSM on 'approved political discourse.' I think the true horror we need to awaken to is that, after ten years of data, the exact opposite has happened: it has cemented the hold of the MSM's ability to propagate liberal discourse to the low-info masses in a way that seems truly insurmountable.

Thus ends my happy thought of the day.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (TuW+p)

199 Blowjobs - How to make your man do anything you want, anytime you want!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (GQ8sn)

200 3 Ways Natural Gas Fracking Leads To Lower Jewelry Prices

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (0DlnM)

201 Oh. I've decided to name the Horde's women's mag Spark! (yes, you must include the exclamation point). Why? Because is why. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:16 PM (VtjlW)


I look forward to the next magazine in the AtC publishing empire:

'Splodey Weekly: The Woman's Journal of High Explosives

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (sbV1u)

202 Hey 'roons.

Busy here, earning my entitlements. And that of course means drinking all day long and sitting on my ass supporting big brother, while she all burns. Thanks, Sheila Jackson Lee!

Look, "we" aren't going to do anything. Some of us are. Go subscribe to Beck's site. He's one that is doing it. Yeah, it will still be Beck, but because its a network and not just a show, there's other stuff on there worth exploring. Someone else will buy a magazine. Maybe. I don't read those, ever, so it won't be me.

Also, stop getting Adelson and Koch and whoever to drop $150 Huge on some loser campaign, and instead drop $50 Huge on a decent MONEY-MAKING movie that conservatives will want to watch. (And don't do something stupid, like call it "Here's A Movie For All You Conservatives Out There.")

Posted by: K-Bob at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (GzInu)

203 We could do a conservative Lifetime Movie Network. Maybe a movie about a Democrat congressman's son who gets caught encouraging vote fraud then breaks his girlfriend's face by slamming it into a garbage can.

Posted by: Ted Bundh at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (nzV2X)

204 Over the past few years I've noticed this type of lie.

Tell a lie so insanely audacious that naive people (like me, I guess) are at best confused and at worst duped.

Some of us just can't fathom how someone could lie so egregiously, so we try to allow that there is a point of view where whatever lie is told is at least colorable.

I'm sure this is an old con technique. Just tell an audacious lie like the MSM is baised to the right, and see what happens.

Posted by: Herman Cain Forever! (999999D) at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (D9999)

205 And actual men won't give them the time of day.

I'd kill for a mechanically competent woman...or at least be willing to mail order a Russian one.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (gyVJ0)

206 Border Nightmare: How Drunk Driving Ilegals Threaten Your Family's Safety

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:27 PM (0DlnM)

207 Blowjobs - How to make your man do anything you want, anytime you want! Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (GQ8sn)


Ahem, uhhhh, can you cut that one out for me?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:27 PM (sbV1u)

208 Her response "Yeah. See this right here? This would be the fuel
injector. I don't have a fucking carburetor. So what you're gonna do is
stop fucking with my car and pull it around front. Got it?"



Haha!!! PWNED!!!

My wife would have forked over the $400 and told me later how well her car runs now.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:27 PM (GQ8sn)

209 Go support Pat Dollard's Revolution2013 movement.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 13, 2012 01:27 PM (UK9cE)

210
200
Blowjobs
Boobs - How to make your man do anything you want, anytime you want!


Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:26 PM (GQ8sn)




Let's be honest. It doesn't take much past BOOBS!!! to get us to do whatever.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:27 PM (da5Wo)

211 Why You Gold Jewelry Is Costing You Out The Ass: The Bernanke Gambit!

Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2012 01:28 PM (r2PLg)

212 Your intellect has uplifted me Jeff. I am not worthy. Thus I reject you.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:28 PM (KXm42)

213 >>>Not as hopeless as you think. They're going to be dying...very soon.



>>>Boomers can't die off soon enough for me.


Except the problem is that they have indoctrinated the next generation with far more comprehensive, suffocating thoroughness than they themselves ever were. Sure they're dying off...but who are they going to be replaced with?

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:28 PM (TuW+p)

214 Women Need the Truth: Or - When your hipster boyfriend says he's not going to do that thing in your mouth. The facts about hipsterism.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:28 PM (OqZHj)

215
This is the wrong way to go about it. The problem is that there is a MSM in the first place. We need to act in ways that hurt the institutions and break the ability of the Progressives to spoonfeed information to the public. This plan would simply add a drop of reality to the spoonful of horseshit.

Open source everything.


A-la-carte cable and digital copyright reform.

Posted by: Entropy at December 13, 2012 01:29 PM (TULs6)

216 Women know Boob-fu. Unless her name is Lena, she is just a boob.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:29 PM (4+0nx)

217 Domestic Romance: How Disaster Prepping Brings Couples Closer

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:29 PM (0DlnM)

218 >>>Your intellect has uplifted me Jeff. I am not worthy. Thus I reject you.

Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. It really does sound like a counsel of despair. But it's something worth thinking about -- and hey, refutations are welcome! I don't want to be so pessimistic either.

Guess that's just the sort of mood I'm in today.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:30 PM (TuW+p)

219 Whatever. Let Chrissy wither on the vine. What are his ratings?

Posted by: Dang at December 13, 2012 01:30 PM (R18D0)

220 Rosie Riveter~The Real Story Of An Empowered American Woman

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:30 PM (iKSAz)

221 Let's be honest. It doesn't take much past BOOBS!!! to get us to do whatever.

It's how my wife wins arguments with me.

"Honey, we need this new furniture set on sale for $3999."

"Four grand?!?! What?!?! I was saving that money for...." *wife lifts up job bra*
"...for...for...ummmmm....I forget"

"Delivery's this Thursday. Thanks honey!"


Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (GQ8sn)

222 This heart of this discussion (and the present problem for conservatives) is that the current Democrat coalition is unbeatable in the short-to-medium term as long as it sticks together. And if it isn't broken up soon it will never be defeated as the republic transmogrifies into either a soft (Brave New World) or hard ( 1984: "Imagine a boot stamping on a human face...forever") dictatorship. There is little (if any) time left to stop this. The only hope is to split the unholy alliance between the Socialist/Crony Capitalist/Academic/Elitist scumand the Honey BooBoo/Free Shit/Grievance Minority scum. And the only way to do this is to use Populist cant to turn the second category against the first.

Why do you think Ron Paul has been as successful as he's been? He's kind of an old, cranky kook but he gets populism. He's able to articulate complicated ideas in simple terms and add in some us versus them hate and look at how devoted his fans are. Put this stuff into a better, shinier package (Rubio for instance), make the ideas a bit less kooky and relentlessly hammer the Wall Street/Hollywood/Ivy League crowd for grabbing all the goodies while the rest of us are ground into dust and the Democratic coalition will shatter.

Conservatives think that deep down voters are smart and will instinctively understand our positions. THIS IS A LOAD OF CROCK! After two generations of handing the education of our children off to a bunch of marxist incompetants the people aren't smart. My cat is probably smarter. So stop trying to explain stuff to them. Give them a heapin' helping of hate and envyto get their attention and then maybe you can drum a little sense into them.

Posted by: Jaylord at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (RuF8n)

223 OK, now that we've established this new bastion of "just news"... how do we get the significant percentage of Americans who made up their minds based upon Mr. Obama's stellar Sandy-based photo opportunity to actually watch it?

"Just news" is unfortunately boring bullshit..even when folks tune in just for the winning Pick 3 numbers. We certainly consume it eagerly here, but there we go designing a solution to fix LiVs based upon *our* experiences again.

Educating a massive amount of LiVs so that they can realize that not voting (D) is in their best interests...this seems like the challenge that needs to be solved.

How one does that with a hostile media and public schools indoctrinating kids from around the age of 5 onwards...? Sigh...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (hNXHo)

224 Sure they're dying off...but who are they going to be replaced with? Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:28 PM (TuW+p)


They were successful in the 60s because they were the counter-culture. Everyone wants to be counter-culture when they're young.

Look around....who's the counter-culture now?

It will come around. We just need to help it a little, and force it in a couple places.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (sbV1u)

225 Election Nightmare: The Sound of Obama's Voice Made Me Barren

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (0DlnM)

226 By the way, Paul Ryan's alma mater is Miami University of Ohio.

A public university, its other notable graduates include President Benjamin Harrison and Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA).

Also many others.

I don't know why the website was bitching about the flier so much considering that an activity among liberals these days is advocating to give rapists the right to vote.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:32 PM (T0NGe)

227 jog bra....

fucking thick fingers mine....

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:32 PM (GQ8sn)

228 I hope you're being facetious. For your sake.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:32 PM (KXm42)

229 5 Ways New EPA Regulations Give You Wrinkles

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:32 PM (0DlnM)

230 So let's say CBS makes a move towards centrism. Then what will happen is
an explosion of media stories about "CBS's right-wing lurch" with
analysis about the executives forcing this "great institution" to turn
to "partisanship." You'll get huge protest from the journalists and
anchors (who are, after all, lefties for the most part), other outlets
will begin to ignore stories covered by CBS that reflect poorly on the
left, and before long CBS will just be another Designated Partisan
Conservative outfit whose news judgment is "out of the mainstream."


Quite right, but the first one (Fox, in this case) is always the hardest, and they came along before every other news organ was augering in. The next one will be easier, and will have allies (Fox, etc.) to provide plausibility and support.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (USJNU)

231 Why Not Drilling at Home Is Upping the Price of Your Makeup!

Perhaps "not drilling at home" is a poor word choice for a women's mag. (sorry..it was an open goal; I had to go there.)

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (53riN)

232 >>Posted by: BCochran1981

Very well. I will amend my remark to "Real men won't give them the time of day unless they're also a professional cheerleader/model." o.O

When average-looking women fix shit on their own car or house, they're "emasculating." But don't take my word for it, read the comments here or NRO or PJM.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)

233 Your money! Don't let the govt rape your hard-earned pay!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (GQ8sn)

234 Scientific Study: Electric Cars Linked To Accelerated Menopause

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:34 PM (0DlnM)

235 No one will probably read this, but I have long had the idea for a "white paper" news network that does nothing but straight, breaking news. No analysis, interviews or commentary at all. You can have guests, but they are simply given a few minutes to state their position with the other side a few minutes to rebut. The point is to avoid, at all costs, the preening anchors chiming in with "what does this mean?" or "how will this effect" invitations to color the new and bias the viewer on what conclusions they should make about a story.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 13, 2012 01:34 PM (UypUQ)

236 10 Guns Every Woman Should Own That Come In Pink Or Leopard Print.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:34 PM (GQ8sn)

237 196
178

Once a few women start to get mechanically liberated and empowered, they

start viewing their incompetent hipster pals in a different light...
-----------------
And actual men won't give them the time of day.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:20 PM (/kI1Q)


Horseshit.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:25 PM (da5Wo)---Exactly. Liberal women perpetuate this annoyingly self-serving tripe about how conservatives disdain informed/intellectual women. Fuck that. I'm so sick of all these supposedly "liberated and empowered" women all parroting the same mindless pseudo-intellectual crap and getting all huffy if you dare to disagree and try to have an actual serious and stimulating conversation.Furthermore, women who actually know something about how to be practical and self-sufficient about normal living, AND who realize that those are valuable skills that require good sense and intelligence, are jewels among the masses.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (FiwwD)

238 "Why Sparkly Vampires are hot for lower tax rates".

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (KXm42)

239 Educating a massive amount of LiVs so that they can realize that not
voting (D) is in their best interests...this seems like the challenge
that needs to be solved.


No. They weren't reasoned into their position, they won't be reasoned out of it. The key to education is replacing it with emotional crap that makes people feel guilty or self-righteous.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (T0NGe)

240 Okay, let's start small. Get established.

Let's create a website for humorous (and serious) movie reviews.

I don't know about anyone else, but if I know a website is going to give me a chuckle I'll read it, even if I know half the time I'm going to have my intelligence demeaned because of my political leanings. Cracked.com, TWOP, places like that.
Well if there's one thing that we know here at the HQ (besides the fact that our ideologies actually WORK), it's pop culture. Ace has his mammoth movie reviews, sure, but the comments here are always teeming with chatter about video games, movies, music, books, etc. So why not make that mainstream? Building on AtC's title suggestion, we could call it "Spark! Zone: Pop Culture with a Spark (of snark)." All we'd need is a site, a format, and a schedule for submitting reviews.

And It's a great way to call attention to the blatantly stupid, brain-spasming leftism of the modern media. "I really appreciated the nuance of The Day After Tomorrow. When the young people hiding in the library were arguing over what books to burn versus what books they shouldn't burn, I thought it was refreshing that they'd have a philosophical discussion in the midst of a global catastrophe instead of spending their time and energy breaking up the massive wooden tables that were lined up like eager firewood in the background."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (4df7R)

241 Perhaps "not drilling at home" is a poor word choice for a women's mag. (sorry..it was an open goal; I had to go there. Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (53riN)


Actually, it makes sense on a couple different levels.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (sbV1u)

242 Howard Cosell comments: How Women Own the Glass Ceiling.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (OqZHj)

243 Why His Vote For Mitt Romney Means He Loves You

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (0DlnM)

244 The EPA tries to regulate water in Fairfax, VA
http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/epa_says_water_pollutant-93162

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (4+0nx)

245 186 The Howard Cosell Story: How Much Is That Doody In the Window?

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Shouldn't that be *ON* the window?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (e0xKF)

246
Buying women's magazines is a good idea. Pick up a gashion mag and you'll be bombarded with only pro-choice, liberal, and even man-hating articles interspersed between the fashion layouts. ("Fashion is trivial and frivolous! We have important MANLY issues!")
Nope: fashion is important. Fashion is also fun. Fashion is also big business and highly influential. In theSept. issue of ELLE mag, I read an article about Naomi Wolf and her vagina, written by a woman who freely confessed she hates men, including her own husband, and that men are the inferior species; Abortion rights are THE most important issue facing women in the election; Republicans are working to repress women and trying to force them back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant; how important Lena Dunham and other actors/writers of her ilk are to women; etc., etc. Most females who pick these mags up to read about lipstick, boots, and hairstyles are going to absorb these messages about evil Republicans, the crucial need for abortions of any kind with no restriction, and how awful men are.
I stopped reading MORE when some idiot wrote an article lamenting her failure as a parent because her son signed up for the armed forces. In the latest Harper's Bazaar, I was greeted with yet another Kennedy-worshipping article. Even in Lucky, usually devoted only to shopping, I was confronted, in October, with an interview with Eva Longoria about the magnificence of Obama and the dire need to elect him again.
Really, all I want to read about is lipstick shades and heel heights, and I have the sense to know the above-type articles are biased; many women reading these mags have been and will be influenced by the constant messaging of only the liberal/progressive agenda.
We need to either buy or produce fashion mags for women with conservative messages interspersed amongst the perfume ratings and skirt articles. Seriously.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (7v5Ct)

247 The libs don't have to think " hey let's have a LIBERAL network/movie/magazine" .

They just shoot for the lowest common denominator.

Liberalism is easy : just appeal to base ,third world compatible, coarse and stupid humanity.

Posted by: T. Hunter at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (EZl54)

248 243 Howard Cosell comments: How Women Own the Glass Ceiling.

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I LOL'ed.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (e0xKF)

249 Oh, this can't be happening -- I've agreed with every word Jeff B. has said on this thread, except for some of the conjunctions.

Looks like it's back to hydrogen flouride in the pooper for me.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (q5NFp)

250 Tax Rates That Will Make You Look Twenty Again!!!

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (GQ8sn)

251 Someone got my mail.

Ace, The biggest bang for the buck will be to buy medium-sized and local companies. Local MSM-affiliates. Mid-sized market newspapers.

Then the magazines.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 13, 2012 01:36 PM (X/+QT)

252 Liberal women perpetuate this annoyingly self-serving tripe about how conservatives disdain informed/intellectual women.

You're new here, aren't you?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (/kI1Q)

253 It's how my wife wins arguments with me.

"Honey, we need this new furniture set on sale for $3999."

"Four grand?!?! What?!?! I was saving that money for...." *wife lifts up job bra*
"...for...for...ummmmm....I forget"

"Delivery's this Thursday. Thanks honey!"




Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (GQ8sn)


There's a scene in the movie The Break Up with Jenifer Anniston and Vince Vaughn. To prove some point, Anniston takes a fully nude stroll through the apartment. I told my wife that if she ever wanted something or wanted to win an argument, that was a sure fire method.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (da5Wo)

254 Feds going after '5 Hour Energy'

Whew. Glad all the hard stuff has been taken care of.

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (fWAjv)

255 Why do you think Ron Paul has been as successful as
he's been? He's kind of an old, cranky kook but he gets populism.

Posted by: Jaylord at December 13, 2012 01:31 PM (RuF8n)

__________________-
Political Myth #278, the success of Ron Paul.

What is his success exactly? Yeah he got a couple of thousand people to show up at his rallies on college campuses. Great. And beyond that?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:38 PM (HDgX3)

256 See this right here? This would be the fuel injector. I don't have a
fucking carburetor. So what you're gonna do is stop fucking with my car
and pull it around front. Got it?"


Reminds me of a female friend I had in college who knew little about cars. She had an old station wagon that needed repair. From what she described it sounded like it just needed brakes, with an outside chance of the wheel bearings giving out.

She brought it in to a national chain shop and they told her it was a bent rear axle. No, it hadn't been in an accident nor was was it an 800 horsepower axle shredding hot rod.

Given that a bent axle- almost unheard of outside of crash damage- would cause very noticeable vibration, I went down to the shop with her. The repair manager wouldn't look me in the eye, just sheepishly mumbled something about backing what his mechanic said. I wanted to beat the shit out of him on the spot, and I didn't have to say so for him to know it.

I gave her the number of a reputable indy shop, and they fixed the brakes.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at December 13, 2012 01:38 PM (SY2Kh)

257
Not to be a Debbie Downer..... but this entire conservative "messaging" thingy is gonna get strangled in its crib dontchaknow.

The FAIRNESS DOCTRINE is coming back and will be "executive ordered" into existence in 2013.

Tell me Im wrong.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 13, 2012 01:39 PM (nELVU)

258 Off, insane alcoholic sock

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 01:39 PM (SY2Kh)

259 @247 Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

And also the increase in articles about living on the govt dole pays more than a job. I've seen that particular subject increase tenfold over the past 6 mos (that I started noticing.)

Posted by: Jypsea Rose at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (iKSAz)

260 There's a scene in the movie The Break Up with Jenifer Anniston and
Vince Vaughn. To prove some point, Anniston takes a fully nude stroll
through the apartment. I told my wife that if she ever wanted something
or wanted to win an argument, that was a sure fire method.


I now just motion for her to lift her top up.

"Honey...?"

*makes lifting gesture*

"Here you go..."

"The answer is yes."

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (GQ8sn)

261 You're new here, aren't you?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (/kI1Q)

---

Radish, I think part of the problem is that you refuse to leave the Midwest.

Wiscy, Iowa, Indiana, etc., aren't exactly growing.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (e0xKF)

262 >>>Oh, this can't be happening -- I've agreed with every word Jeff B. has said on this thread, except for some of the conjunctions.

Over time I've noticed that literally every single regular AoSHQ poster eventually has this same reaction and phrases it in the same way.

Own it, man -- it's a rite of passage around here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (TuW+p)

263 Firarm Fannies! 4 Tush Firming Shooting Stances

Posted by: Warden at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (0DlnM)

264 Is Your Man A Sartorial Stiff? Introduce Him to Imported European Meggings Made Possible By Low Import Tariffs!

Posted by: Conservapolitan at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (QKKT0)

265 Feds going after '5 Hour Energy'



Whew. Glad all the hard stuff has been taken care of.


I'll bet you $10 it's Chuck Schumer.

It's almost always Chuck Schumer.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:41 PM (T0NGe)

266 A lot of original content actually comes from the wire services, especially AP. Their articles are relatively short and mostly link free.

A lot of what they report is localized news, sports, crime, and human interest. They keeps these areas relatively bias free, though a politicized case like Zimmerman gets spun.

Where they do most of their spinning is politics. But because it is mixed in within a much larger sample size of other stories, it doesn't appear as blatant as MSDNC.

Another asset the wires have is their vast archives. They have file photos on just about everyone for example. They have many others. My local rag, when it runs inter/national news relies almost exclusively on AP feeds. I dropped the rag years ago, but still.......they still have a pretty good local reach.

So, maybe take a look at acquiring one of the wires? Reuters' reputation is kinda low in the US due to them getting caught repeatedly photoshopping. UPI ? I don't really know much about their reach but I seldom see articles under their heading.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 13, 2012 01:41 PM (ccXZP)

267 253
Liberal women perpetuate this annoyingly self-serving tripe about how conservatives disdain informed/intellectual women.

You're new here, aren't you?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (/kI1Q)
---There's an enormous difference between intelligent and "intellectual".

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 01:42 PM (FiwwD)

268 Feds going after '5 Hour Energy'

I was wondering when they would. I'm surprised energy drinks haven't gone under the gun sooner, especially after 4Loco..

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:42 PM (4df7R)

269 So I was just at the Amazon Web Services "re:Invent" conference a few weeks ago, and, boy howdy, were these guys loud and proud about how they helped win Obama the election. There was a whole seminar on the topic that mostly boiled down to fist-pumping war stories.

So I was noodlin'... There was absolutely nothing they discussed that I'm sure couldn't be accomplished by the collective efforts of some of the developers and such on this board.

I think a technology platform that did message pushing like this and had its tentacles everywhere -- Facebook, Twitter, web ads, emails, etc. -- would be a huge step. The hardest part would be the data mining, but clearly the Obamabots were able to solve that with the help of that Messinaesque creep Bezos. Why can't we?

There's a lot of talented people on this board. There's a lot of connected people on this board. There's a lot of well-funded people on this board. What I would like to see is for all of us to rally around one goal and then focus on accomplishing it rather than scattering buckshot all over the place and never hitting anything.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (q5NFp)

270 A Bridge Too Narrow: The Secret Hazards of Dating Powerful Democratic Men

Posted by: Conservapolitan at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (QKKT0)

271 266 Feds going after '5 Hour Energy'



Whew. Glad all the hard stuff has been taken care of.

I'll bet you $10 it's Chuck Schumer.

It's almost always Chuck Schumer.

---

Why exactly are they going after them? Because of the damage the active ingredients cause?

If so, they can go after Red Bull et all as well. Taurine will fuck up your kidneys if you have enough of it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (e0xKF)

272 Okay did a Moron win the Powerball last night? It was $50 million annuity. If a Moron did, then there we go. Capital to buy something.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (4+0nx)

273 I told a conservative female friend of mine she should start a gossip blog with a tilt toward the right. I mean look at some of this Sean Penn "poor me" shit, it's a damn gold mine. People shouldn't start blogs about politics, they should start blogs about other stuff than throws in politics.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (NzBQO)

274 Bill Clinton Lied: It was not a Cuban cigar.

Posted by: Soona at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (OqZHj)

275 Over time I've noticed that literally every single regular AoSHQ poster eventually has this same reaction and phrases it in the same way. Own it, man -- it's a rite of passage around here. Posted by: Jeff B. at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (TuW+p)


Yes, but they haven't really "arrived" until they have also come to that point via one of your epic 1,000 word posts. He got off light here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:43 PM (sbV1u)

276 I'll bet you $10 it's Chuck Schumer.



------
no, the dicks.

Sens. Richard J. Durbin and Richard Blumenthal

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 01:44 PM (eEfYn)

277 Amen, brother! If the low info voter is focused on their bread and circus, we need to provide a circus that couches conservative values and can make conservatism hip and entertaining, which it can be. Easier said than done, if one isn't a billionaire, but it should be able to be done, right?

Posted by: OCD Con at December 13, 2012 01:44 PM (+Gft4)

278 Have folks in the "let's buy some newspapers and magazines" camp thought about sinking more cash into two "industries" that are actually on their death beds?

We could make devastatingly insightful content worthy of consumption...we could have the greatest columnists and all sorts of wonderful information...and most (a really significant proportion) of America wouldn't give a shit since it's not spoon-fed to them in 8-second soundbites over their iWhatevers.

America lost its capacity for giving a fuck so, so long ago...argh. We Quixote acolytes that continue to care...we're the ones not getting those memos.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 01:45 PM (hNXHo)

279 no, the dicks.

Sens. Richard J. Durbin and Richard Blumenthal

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Blumenthal? Not really a surprise. He was a shakedown artist as the AG of Connecticut.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 01:45 PM (e0xKF)

280 Eight Little That Signs Reveal Whether Your Man Is A Leftist Douchebag

Posted by: Conservapolitan at December 13, 2012 01:45 PM (QKKT0)

281 Why exactly are they going after them? Because of the damage the active ingredients cause?

I think it's because the packaging doesn't describe the contents in any accurate detail. I heard an interview with the CEO of the company and the reporter asked him simple questions like, "How much caffeine is in 5 Hour Energy?" and the CEO couldn't answer anything.

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

282 You're new here, aren't you?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:37 PM (/kI1Q)



Now, now, now, let's be fair. It's only the single, childless women who are destroying society. Then there's me. Apparently, I am singlehandedly responsible for the collapse of Western Civilization.


Respect, bitches!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 01:45 PM (VtjlW)

283 There's an enormous difference between intelligent and "intellectual".Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 01:42 PM (FiwwD)


True.

Around here we appreciate how a woman's mind fills her sweater.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 01:46 PM (sbV1u)

284 Sens. Richard J. Durbin and Richard Blumenthal

Ah, I should have known. Dick Turban and the Skin Suit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 13, 2012 01:46 PM (4df7R)

285 Chuck Schumer - Lawyer
Richard J. Durbin - Lawyer
Richard Blumenthal- Lawyer

Ambulance chasers in the Senate.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 01:46 PM (T0NGe)

286 refutations are welcome!

The reason the media has been able to control the message is because they didn't let uncomfortable facts that didn't fit the narrative see the light of day. They can't do that anymore, or at least they are much less effective than they used to be, and their effect diminishes daily. I have no problem squaring off with libs in the arena of ideas as long as I get a chance to be heard.

Now, there is a second, different problem, and that is low info voters. True, they are targeted by the media, but they can be targeted by us as well.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:46 PM (USJNU)

287 You chicks live in a world of your own. What's the weather like?

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:47 PM (KXm42)

288 When Chris Matthews went on his broken-record, Klansman-like questioning of the beleaguered AFP guy, I was reminded of this classic movie moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o

Posted by: K-Bob at December 13, 2012 01:47 PM (GzInu)

289 "How to not bash you fingers with the hammer while pounding in small nails to hold a picture frame"

I could write a whole column on that and it would boil down to "hold the nail with needle nose pliers while starting it"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:48 PM (gyVJ0)

290 The Prince of Egypt soundtrack - Deliver Us. 7:17 Ofra Haza.
http://youtu.be/3WKN0XF8-3Q

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:48 PM (4+0nx)

291 A Bridge Too Narrow: The Secret Hazards of Dating Powerful Democratic Men

Don't forget the accompanying article-

Facial Scar Cosmetic Tips: Dating the sons of powerful Democratic Men

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (SY2Kh)

292 270 The hardest part would be the data mining

...unless a campaign actually decides to employ professionals, instead of giving "consultants" free reign...sigh. This is exactly how entreprenurial conversations between my wife and I progress - her saying "the hardest part would be building it" and me saying "the hardest part would be selling it."

Yeah, she's in sales. Did I mention I architect and implement data exchange repositories for a living?

The conservatives (both Fiscal and Social) in this country have an incredible pool of talent to draw from. Yet, Orca.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (hNXHo)

293 Fuckit. I'm going back to look at Charlize'z titz.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (KXm42)

294 liberal media in summary -

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."
Upton Sinclair

Posted by: T. Hunter - it must burn at December 13, 2012 01:50 PM (EZl54)

295
Young women want a sugar daddy, not a hubby. Uncle sugar will give them the money and he won't care if she fucks every swinging dick in town.

The only way to get their vote is to out-left the Left.

Good luck if your message is personal responsibility and quit being a whore.

Posted by: Invictus at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (OQpzc)

296 "They can't do that anymore, or at least they are much less effective than they used to be, and their effect diminishes daily. I have no problem squaring off with libs in the arena of ideas as long as I get a chance to be heard. "

I wish this were so. I believed this was so in 2004 and 2008. Each time I thought the media's influence was fading. But it's not. They are appealing directly to the moocher class. The 47%. Facts that prove them wrong are embargoed with a dizzying array of contradicting arguments, and the moocher class doesn't care.

The informed conservative community of bloggers and commenters grows more and more sure of this truth, and this accomplishes very little on election day. The moocher class tunes us out because to listen to us requires acceptance of many hard truths.

Posted by: Herman Cain Forever! (999999D) at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (D9999)

297 Neu Savile alles zuruck!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 13, 2012 01:51 PM (4+0nx)

298 Low info voters by definition get little info. So it won't take that much info from a conservative source to make a big difference. On a scale of 0 to 100 info, people reading this blog at 99. The dolts we're talking about are at 3. But that 3 is 100% leftists garbage. If we could get that 3 to a 5 they'd still be low info but instead of 100% left, it would be 40% right, 60% left.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:52 PM (HDgX3)

299 The conservatives (both Fiscal and Social) in this country have an incredible pool of talent to draw from. Yet, Orca.

Right. So shoot me and a few other punks about $250,000, we put together this killer political Skynet together in about two years, sell it to the Whoever 2016 campaign for $50 million, and spend the rest of our lives living like sultans after having saved the nation from its slide into darkness.

I'll make time for this.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:53 PM (q5NFp)

300 The conservatives (both Fiscal and Social) in this country have an incredible pool of talent to draw from. Yet, Orca.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 01:49 PM (hNXHo)

__________________
The average conservative would rather make money and see Romney lose. The average liberal would rather lose money and see Obama win.

Hence ORCA vs. the effective data mining campaign from Obama.

ORCA consultants got rich. Obama's people didn't.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM (HDgX3)

301 Each time I thought the media's influence was fading. But it's not.
They are appealing directly to the moocher class. The 47%. Facts that
prove them wrong are embargoed with a dizzying array of contradicting
arguments, and the moocher class doesn't care.


I seriously doubt those folks spend a lot of time reading the NYT WaPo or watching CNN and MSNBC.

Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM (USJNU)

302 In 2008 a liberal colleague of mine asked me if I'd like to work for Obama. I jokingly said, only if he'd pay me $10K a week. She looked at me and very sternly said, it's not about the money, it's about the cause. This is why you have tons of people working for "the cause" virtually for free. You can't get conservatives to do the same since most of us will say, fuck this, I'm not working for you unless I get paid well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 13, 2012 01:56 PM (HDgX3)

303 It's not just the Blaze site, Beck's trying to build a whole network including original programming. Unfortunately that means there will be even more things for him to promote with his name on them.

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (lhX9P)

304 When average-looking women fix shit on their own car
or house, they're "emasculating." But don't take my word for it, read
the comments here or NRO or PJM.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)



Bull. Shit. I don't know about the other sites, but I've never seen anything like that here and I sure as hell don't feel that way. I don't know who shit on you, or why, but I am sorry it happened.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (da5Wo)

305 > When average-looking women fix shit on their own car or house, they're
"emasculating." But don't take my word for it, read the comments here or
NRO or PJM.

It surely isn't your cheery attitude driving them away.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at December 13, 2012 01:58 PM (ZWvOb)

306 I seriously doubt those folks spend a lot of time reading the NYT WaPo or watching CNN and MSNBC.

That's really not the LiV bread-and-butter. It's the pop culture/mockery/hipster vein of media that kills us with the LiVs, especially women.

The most important stories we need pushed are not "Obama's AG funneled thousands of assault rifles to the Zeta cartel in an attempt to justify subverting the second amendment" type. It's the "Obama throws a baseball like a wounded bitch" stuff that weakens that ridiculous aura of manly invincibility that the media painted him with.

Posted by: VJay at December 13, 2012 01:58 PM (q5NFp)

307 She looked at me and very sternly said, it's not about the money, it's about the cause.

Eric Hoffer wrote a book about those types

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 02:01 PM (gyVJ0)

308 What we really need to do is paint liberalism as stupid.

Wholly, entirely, Guam-tippingly stupid.

To the point that nobody wants to be a part of it. It happened before. There's a reason why "liberal" became a dirty word.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (T0NGe)

309 Billionaires...who want a news organization that reports only the truth...and give time to stories no matter which "side" it hurts.
You're joking right?
Tell me how many billionaires you think are out there that don't want to keep things just the way they are. Ya think Warren Buffet wants to change things. How many billionaires do you think would go for an income tax system where everyone who makes over, say, 25K per year, pays a flat 10% on whatever income they make. No deductions. No loopholes. No subsidies for anything.
Fed govt does nothing but national defense and interstate roads. Gets rid of the Fed Res fiat system and spends no more than it takes in.
Everything else left to the states.
Let me know when you find em.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 13, 2012 02:03 PM (wIEXv)

310 All the libs call Fox "far right wing" and some conservatives call it center right. It is neither. It is center left. Just not hard left like the rest of them.

Bang. It employs Geraldo for goodness sake.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 02:04 PM (evdj2)

311 Fox is a myth.

Posted by: eleven at December 13, 2012 02:05 PM (KXm42)

312 "I seriously doubt those folks spend a lot of time reading the NYT WaPo or watching CNN and MSNBC.
Posted by: pep at December 13, 2012 01:54 PM"

You've got me there.

They do watch the nightly news sometimes, or the today show, or daytime talk shows like The View, which will rely on headlines from the NYTs the way Jesus relied on old testament verses.

Their influence is pretty stout so long as they don't challenge the notion of entitlement.

Posted by: Herman Cain Forever! (999999D) at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (D9999)

313 Exactly. Liberal women perpetuate this annoyingly
self-serving tripe about how conservatives disdain informed/intellectual
women. Fuck that. I'm so sick of all these supposedly "liberated and
empowered" women all parroting the same mindless pseudo-intellectual
crap and getting all huffy if you dare to disagree and try to have an
actual serious and stimulating conversation.Furthermore, women who
actually know something about how to be practical and self-sufficient
about normal living, AND who realize that those are valuable skills that
require good sense and intelligence, are jewels among the masses.


Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 01:35 PM (FiwwD)


I couldn't agree more. I know a number of liberal women (men too) who think they're more intelligent because they're liberal. In fact, they can't even explain the liberal talking points they spout. But you're not supposed to question them on any of it. Just blindly except it like they do

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (1Jaio)

314 305
When average-looking women fix shit on their own car

or house, they're "emasculating." But don't take my word for it, read

the comments here or NRO or PJM.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)

Bull.
Shit. I don't know about the other sites, but I've never seen anything
like that here and I sure as hell don't feel that way. I don't know who
shit on you, or why, but I am sorry it happened.


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:57 PM (da5Wo)
---Ditto.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (FiwwD)

315 ---Ditto.

Yeah, me too. We like our women armed for goodness sake.



and yes, goodness sake is my phrase of the day replacing something considerably more vulgar.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 02:09 PM (evdj2)

316 The appeal of Ron Paul is that an old Kook like him got thousands of mostly young peopleinsanely energizedfor the stuff he was selling. Imagine using similar techniques with a better, more attractive candidate espousing lesskooky ideas.

To get a better feel what conservatives face trying to deal with LIVswatch Craig Ferguson's monologueon why everything sucks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqeNhHs4n8

To paraphrase Rumsfeld: "You fight and election with the voters you have."

Posted by: Jaylord at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (RuF8n)

317 307 It's the pop culture/mockery/hipster vein of media that kills us with the LiVs, especially women.

And I'm all but convinced that it's just not part of a conservative's nature to *want* to play on that ballfield, not to mention expend the resources necessary to compete effectively against a stacked deck therein. If it's all about pop culture (and I'm more and more convinced every day that it is), well, that's a quite compelling argument for LiB and start anew.

We're never going to convince the average American (who can't find Libya on a globe) that Benghazi is more important than who got voted off the island on The Ablazing Race or whatever piece of shit the MSM/DNC was showing last night to distract them from realizing just how fucked we are.

The information's out there. It's always been there. It's the "give-a-fuck gap" that requires attention...and much to my chagrin, I don't think it's even close to a winnable battle. Conservatives can't compete with the steady stream of bullshit pumped up the average citizen's content stream. It's in music, it's on TV, it's at the theatres (wtf with the new frack-thrashing bullshit film I saw advertised the other day), it's what they watch on YouBoob, blah blah blah. The progressive left has a direct personal connection to the brains of the average idiot thanks to Hollywood and the music industry...and without a similar weapon...fuck.

And while I'm here...fuck you, Steve Jobs, too.

The final state of evolution isn't a disconnected single Government-reliant individual getting personally tailored (thanks, Zuck!) propaganda delivered to them 24/7 through headphones and iWhateverthefuck.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 02:12 PM (hNXHo)

318 309What we really need to do is paint liberalism as stupid.

Wholly, entirely, Guam-tippingly stupid.

To the point that nobody wants to be a part of it. It happened before. There's a reason why "liberal" became a dirty word.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 13, 2012 02:02 PM (T0NGe) This.Here we are in the golden age of cable TV, where content is desperately needed and paid for. The initial investment required is a few desks, chairs, lights, microphones and cameras, all of which would total less than 5 figures.Entire programs could be devoted to how stupid Chris Mathews is. Feature lenght documentaries on what scum the Kennedys are. Count downs on dumbest liberals in congress.On top of the fun, it could and would be a moneymaking operation even if it only relied on fees from the cable providers and satellite people.And, if we avoid Pixie, it could utilize actual technology so that the physical operations could be decentralized and have minimal cost.It's time for Ace to use his Roledex of billionaire conservatives to get the seed money.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (ZDsRL)

319 I swear, I had line breaks in that last comment.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 02:13 PM (ZDsRL)

320 @318
It isn't like this is a new thing.

Posted by: Bread and Circuses at December 13, 2012 02:14 PM (USJNU)

321 it's been tried before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfyS4lSP7CU

Posted by: wiserbud at December 13, 2012 02:15 PM (gCa4h)

322 321 @318
It isn't like this is a new thing.


This species would be great if it wasn't for the fucking "human nature" bullshit.

It's a real drag...lol

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (hNXHo)

323 A big reason to buy a media company instead of building one from scratch is that you then gain the audience, instead of having to build it from scratch. That way you can "sucker-punch" to use a Breitbart term, and catch the audience unaware.

Posted by: Iblis at December 13, 2012 02:16 PM (9221z)

324 320 I'm having trouble with the comments editor too. It keeps dropping spaces and line breaks on me that I know were there when I typed my comment. It might be IE I'm forced to use at "work" because I don't think I have this problem at home where I use FireFox.

Posted by: Jaylord at December 13, 2012 02:17 PM (RuF8n)

325 @314:"I couldn't agree more. I know a number of liberal
women (men too) who think they're more intelligent because they're
liberal. In fact, they can't even explain the liberal talking points
they spout. But you're not supposed to question them on any of it. Just
blindly except it like they do


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2012 02:06 PM (1Jaio)
---And what's annoying (and probably what HeatherRadishTM is talking about) is that in several conservative circles the idea seems to take hold that "conservative" means "opposite of Liberal" (which can lead to the acceptance of a stereotyped image of old fogey conservatism). This is dead wrong, and it's precisely the line that's pushed by the liberals in order to entrench their Good/Evil duality.It's the kind of thing I've seen sometimes around college conservative guys who get all hopped up about the caramaderie of the "old boy"/"mad men"/frat sort of mentality that is extremely awful to women.But that's part of broader cultural picture and sometimes has to be seen as such. For example, I've got Italian buddies who sometimes like to play up the "Italian=ethnic/mafia/foreign" cultural picture, but it's not like they're a step away from actually committing organized crime. But others who absolutely hate it and refuse to even watch the Sopranos because they don't want that image to be associated with Italian-ness, theirs or anyone else's. Similarly, the "old boy" boobs-and-farts chat on this website seems to be of the former variety, i.e., blowing off steam in the gym, rather than actually accepting those premises as the right way to think about/treat the real women in our lives.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (FiwwD)

326 " The initial investment required is a few desks, chairs, lights, microphones and cameras, all of which would total less than 5 figures.Entire programs could be devoted to how stupid Chris Mathews is. Feature lenght documentaries on what scum the Kennedys are. Count downs on dumbest liberals in congress."

That would, at least, be a profitable and fun venue.

the left would quickly find a way to condemn it as racist and extreme and responsible for violence when the next insane communist shoots up a gun free zone, so the idiots would ignore it, but I wouldn't.

Posted by: Herman Cain Forever! (9999D) at December 13, 2012 02:18 PM (D9999)

327 "I know this is pie-in-the-sky and I don't think it will happen, but here is what we desperately need: We need a coalition of biliionaires to simply buy a network and make sure the news division reports things objectively." Uh ever here of Glenn Beck, and the Blaze????

Posted by: marine43 at December 13, 2012 02:19 PM (aPBey)

328 When HotAir gassed on about this story,they ledit with a picture of sort-of-dressedMegan Fox, whomay well bean idiot but doeslook pretty good whenhalf-dressed.When Ace decided to take this story on, certainly I was hopinghe would treatit with the intellectual rigor it deserved and write it up with characteristic humor as well, all of which he did. I was also hoping for a picture or two to go along with the story, but there I was to be disappointed.

Posted by: MTF at December 13, 2012 02:20 PM (B5y+v)

329 One thing that bothers me is that I do think the right could have won this great long term mooching debate.

The GOP held all levers of power for a few years. We kicked the can down the road instead of reforming social security, taxes, spending, and passing a balanced budget amendment and permanent voting rights reforms (like ID and absentee ballot reform).

We instead fought the war on terror (for good reason) and negotiated away long term domestic reform, knowing full well that the GOP's power would eventually be lost and it would be too late then to avoid fiscal disaster.

We did this for political expediency. Ironically, it's a big reason we lack the credibility to win elections.

Posted by: Herman Cain Forever! (9999D) at December 13, 2012 02:21 PM (D9999)

330 Doh! I meant "hear" Of the Blaze. sorry.

Posted by: marine43 at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (aPBey)

331 I've been saying for a couple of years that the right needs a media Manhattan Project, and I'm really happy to see this addressed here.

The media (major media and the 'softer' media you referenced) is another column for the left and the Democrats. IMO it has a huge influence on not only politics specifically; but also on pop culture (enormously influential in its own right), and on liberalism being the "default" culture today.

It's always been bad, but for a variety of reasons, has moved at warp speed to total heinosity. I think the media doubled down on Obama and the Democrats this election season. They knew many people loathed them and that others were at least skeptical of them. But they went "all in" and now see themselves as being totally vindicated. And why wouldn't they feel that way?

Some in our camp, like Rush, say "The media's always been that way and always will, get over it and move on." Much as I love Rush, I don't agree with that stance anymore.

Please, stay on this, Ace.

Posted by: RM at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (TRsME)

332 We need a coalition of biliionaires to simply buy a network and make sure the news division reports things objectively.

...which would appeal to us greatly. And imagine if they never concede a liberal talking point.

Here's an idea for an additional network: you've been cataloging the Left's abuses and techniques for quite a while. Would a conservative version of that work? Consciously apply innuendo and bias to everything. Demand your journalists apply those techniques as an exercise (think of it as a journalism academy. Very transferrable skills).

Wonder if that would sway the low-info, celebrity-infatuated?

Posted by: t-bird at December 13, 2012 02:22 PM (FcR7P)

333 But others who absolutely hate it and refuse to even watch the Sopranos because they don't want that image to be associated with Italian-ness, theirs or anyone else's.
___
I watched one episode and said, Never again. Having lived in S. Philly, I'd encountered a few of those types and didn't really need the reminder.

This anti-Soprano attitude seems to be more entrenched in those of us whose roots are deeper in the old country. I think more diluted Italian-Americans like the gangster rep.

Posted by: kallisto at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (jm/9g)

334 What we really need to do is paint liberalism as stupid.
Wholly, entirely, Guam-tippingly stupid.
To the point that nobody wants to be a part of it.

***

Instead, the world sees this

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/does-the-law-love-an-ass/

as the face of conservatism: "Ewwww! Look what conservatives spend their time thinking about!"

Posted by: LBA at December 13, 2012 02:23 PM (lyEHu)

335 thank goodness the right stopped saying that it was the fault of the liberal Jews in the media. Nice going Ace but we know what you mean

Posted by: occam at December 13, 2012 02:49 PM (hgDJr)

336 "...but I have long had the idea for a "white paper" news network that does nothing but straight, breaking news. No analysis, interviews or commentary at all. You can have guests, but they are simply given a few minutes to state their position with the other side a few minutes to rebut."

Somewher like this is where it needs to start to avoid being marginalized. Straight news, no bias. Truly, for real, "We report, you decide". The facts will only benefit our side. The libs and other networks can't demagogue it because it won't have a bias to denigrate.

The "decider" should be a shrewd conservative who presents the news as it is, but makes absolutely sure there is no liberal filter, and that if anything, the filter is conservative. If need be have some heartwarming stories about some all American type who saved an abused animal. Maybe a human interest feature on the guy who had his hot dog cart vandalized and the groups that were trying to help him. No Hannitys, at least to start. Way down the road, when things are established, maybe. It will take time

I believe there is a market for the truth, and if it presented, we will prevail.

Posted by: RM at December 13, 2012 02:49 PM (TRsME)

337 Feminism, and the associated elevation of empathy over reason in our political discourse, is the primary factor driving the decline in western civilization.

Frankly, my preference would be to return to the limited franchise of the early Republic - primarily property-owning males - rather than a pathetic attempt to capture the media outlets favored by the slatternly gossip groupies that feminism has spawned.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at December 13, 2012 02:55 PM (KvKOu)

338 NOTHING says sexy to a young single all american girl like Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnel.

A 60 year old tee-totaler with five kids really gets 'em going, too.

You guys are clowns. Sure, go ahead, start up your own women's publications and websites. I will be among the first ones to check it out Will be good for a belly laugh. Why not start up your own bank, and fast food joints. You can all be RICH!

Posted by: Olaf at December 13, 2012 03:00 PM (t1NLo)

339 Time Warner Cable's YNN (Your News Now) channel actually plays the news straight. They may all be lefties for all I know, but there really is no detectable bias. I may have other issues with Time Warner, but I have to admit, YNN is the single best MSM news outlet around right now. If anyone is truly fair and balanced, it is them.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at December 13, 2012 03:05 PM (7ObY1)

340 Posted by: occam at December 13, 2012 02:49 PM

You are one worthless fuck.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 03:07 PM (evdj2)

341 Olaf,
Call your Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham and raise you John Edwards and Barney Frank. That's te hawt.

Posted by: RM at December 13, 2012 03:21 PM (TRsME)

342 I denounce the sexism in this thread, Mister O'Spades! You are proposing an Ewok conspiracy to form a right-wing hate and propaganda machine to intentionally feed ReTHUGliKKKan talking points to those most victimized by the underfunding of our fine and correctly thinking public schools! How dare you propose to lie to the vulnerable young women of America!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at December 13, 2012 03:24 PM (jCQ+I)

343 I'm in. Where do i send my specs?

Posted by: elizabethe at December 13, 2012 03:24 PM (xzxDr)

344 Better Homes and Gardens lost a lot of subscribers like me who objected to the Michelle Obama cover, especially after repeated articles on green this and green that and...oh, STFU.

They still send me mags, hoping to lure me back. Sorry.

Posted by: PJ at December 13, 2012 04:12 PM (ZWaLo)

345
177

I love how libs .....


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 01:20 PM (da5Wo)
This in no way describes me.

See: 169 for an example.Akin, Mourdock, et al. turn off every single one of those "low information" voters, who tune out precisely because they don't wan't to hear that kind of shit from vectors other than those of their chosing (like in Church. On Sunday). Any more than most people on the right want to hear a rant about gun control on Monday Night Football.
I fear a "conservative" owned network, magazine, pop culture website will attract ad buyers, contributors, and editorial staff who don't have the slightest clue about wtf it is I'm talking about and do even further damage to an already damaged ideology by turning "low information" people into "ewww, gross! get away from me" people, actively detesting the messangers, instead of consuming a product that isn't obviously political, subtly opens minds about the statists on the left, and absolutely isn't preachy about lifestyle choices that might not agree with yours, or anybody else's in the so-con crowd.

Posted by: TheOculists at December 13, 2012 04:17 PM (DzvS7)

346 Hey, whattya know, people are starting to come around to my idea - finally! I've been saying this to practically everyone I know for about six or seven years now.
At first, back in 2002-3-ish I thought the blogosphere, combined with conservative talk radio and Fox News, might provide enough of a counter to the MSM that we could tear down some of the liberal narrative, and maybe make inroads into people's minds with conservative ideas. Well, about 2008 I realized it just wasn't working, nor was it ever going to work.

See, the thing is, at first the MSM and liberals in general were taken by surprise by the blogosphere, and it was able to do some damage (combined with some Fox News coverage) - see CBS and the infamous RatherGate incident. But after that event, I think the left/MSM wised up and realized they had a fight on their hands and immediately went to work on the "new media." Through constant, drip-drip messaging over the following years, they've managed to paint conservative blogs and news sites as "those extreme right-wing blogs" and created a picture of us in the average, low-information voter's minds as wild-eyed, tin-foil-hat-wearing crazies or at best political extremists far out of the mainstream of most Americans, and quite possibly also "racist" and "homophobic" or whatever other negative stereotype they could tar us with.
So now, when conservative blogs or Fox News or talk radio report on scandals like Bengazi, or whatever the latest Obama scandal is, the average American just rolls his eyes or doesn't even pay any attention anymore. We've been Alinski-fied.
Therefore, we need to do as Ace suggests, and simply buy out as many traditional media outlets as we can, if only to ensure they report fairly and investigate honestly, as, you know, the media used to once upon a time in the mists of prehistory. We cannot openly re-brand them as "conservative" because whatever outlet we did that with would instantly be targeted and Alinki-fied just as Fox News and conservative talk radio and the blogosphere has.
It would probably be hard because we wouldn't exactly be able to hide what we were doing, and they would probably attack anyway, but if we were able to get enough of the media outlets under our control, say CNN, NBC, and a couple major magazines or newspapers, we might then have enough firepower then to counter the onslaught and perhaps do some counter-attacking and expose THEM for the extremists they are.

Posted by: Jason at December 13, 2012 06:26 PM (BPMYo)

347 I guess having an ignorant, hateful, unquestioning base MSM is a real advantage, huh?

Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 13, 2012 07:12 PM (9GaPd)

348
I am gonna beat this drum until its worn out:
The Republicans keep losing because they don't understand that "The Narrative" is the only thing that matters these days.
It's the whole ballgame.
Example: Currently the narrative is "Making the rich pay their 'fair share'". The Dems are relentless with their messaging on this. all of them use the same words and they pound pound pound. The media does their bidding and picks up on it. It becomes the prevailing thought. On messaging...its brilliant. It is an impossible political question to answer. The answer is of course that the rich DO pay their fair share and that in an age when the government shows no willingness to spend less...why should ANYONE pay more. But the narrative kilss that because "rich pay more" works.
As long as Republicans keep losing the narrative they will continue to lose these fights.
Republicans use Fox in the wrong way. They use it to combat Democrats. They should use it to SET THE NARRATIVE. Then let Fox run with it. Don't debate Dem talking points. Stay on message and SET THE NARRATIVE.

Posted by: Chris at December 14, 2012 08:47 AM (kyeFg)

349 I had this same thought shortly after the election, but it can't be Conservative Billionaires because the rest of the media would immediately start to discredit them as a mouthpiece. It needs to be a mutual fund, investing in publicly traded media companies. The New York Times Company is majority private, but the Washington Post Company is publicly traded, and it already owns a bunch of the aforementioned women's magazines. If we could purchase a majority position in the Company, we could replace all of the management at all of the publications, and start hiring more reasonable employees.
I pulled all of my money from the Stock market long ago, but I'd be willing to jump back in for this effort.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at December 14, 2012 10:47 AM (uemly)






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