Let's Give Obama Everything He Wants But Get Something Real In Return

As we inch closer to the inevitable "tax hikes now, savings later (and by later we mean never) deal, it would be nice if the GOP thought outside the box and tried to get something of real value from the deal.

If you're going to get rolled, you might as well try and get something crazy, right? Something like this.

Aided by a structure that facilitates spending increases and discourages spending cuts, the inertia in Washington is currently to spend--and spend--and spend. Most spending bills come to the floor prepackaged in a manner that makes it as easy as possible to advance government spending and programs, and as difficult as possible to make cuts.

Again, this is not a new problem. But if we're serious about confronting the challenges that lie ahead for our nation, it's totally inadequate.

I propose today a different approach. Let's do away with the concept of "comprehensive" spending bills. Let's break them up, to encourage scrutiny, and make spending cuts easier. Rather than pairing agencies and departments together, let them come to the House floor individually, to be judged on their own merit. Members shouldn't have to vote for big spending increases at the Labor Department in order to fund Health and Human Services. Members shouldn't have to vote for big increases at the Commerce Department just because they support NASA. Each Department and agency should justify itself each year to the full House and Senate, and be judged on its own.

Who's is the crazy, tea party nut job that came up with that idea? Uh, John Boehner about a month before the 2010 mid-terms made him Speaker.

And...that's the last we heard of that idea.

As Boehner himself said, there's a structural bias against spending cuts so why not do something about it? Without that kind of structural change, any savings from discretionary accounts in the out years are going to be phantoms.

Actually, re-reading that, this is something Boehner could do himself but hasn't. So yeah, I'm sure we'll get a great deal out of him negotiating with Obama.

While I'm in the Let It Burn camp, I do think the GOP should try for a Hail Mary of a deal....

1-Hike taxes on people making more than a million dollars a year MORE than Obama wants.

2. Cut taxes on everyone making between $45,000 and $100,000 per year. Leave the rates alone between $100,000 and $1,000,000.

3. Lower the floor of the lowest current tax rate to force more people onto the tax rolls.

4. Eliminate the Earned Income Tax Credit and all other refundable tax credits (if you don't pay enough in taxes, you don't get a check back to cover your credit. It only works to lower a taxes owed liability).

Pass something like that (I don't care what the CBO score is, it's all BS anyway) and leave town.

If Obama wants to play class warfare games, fine. Let's play bitches.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:58 AM



Comments

1 Logic?


Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 13, 2012 10:01 AM (wR+pz)

2 The flaw in Drew's idea is this: Choom Boy and Reid won't pay any attention to ideas that didn't come from them. That would be too much like work, or something. Plus, they don't have to listen to anyone. They won.

More taxes, more spending, more borrowing, more printing of worthless currency. That is what the Traitor-in-Chief and his co-conspirators want. It is what they will get.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 13, 2012 10:04 AM (yKUrR)

3 Great plan. Seriously. All we need to make this work is for our unbiased and objective friends in the med...

Aw, fuck.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 13, 2012 10:04 AM (hNXHo)

4 "...it's all BS anyway."

That sums it up very succinctly. There will never be a single dime cut from any "Budget" ever, until the Republic crumbles.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at December 13, 2012 10:05 AM (71LDo)

5 I would also accompany in increase in taxes with a mandatory decrease in Entitlements - everyone should feel the pain!

Posted by: Rob in Katy at December 13, 2012 10:05 AM (gdGJ1)

6 All I want for Christmas is zero based budgeting instead of baseline budgeting. Just zero based budgeting, that's all.


And this lamp. This lamp and this zero based budgeting, that's all I need. And that Jaeger. That Jaeger, this lamp and this zero based budgeting, that's all I need.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:05 AM (VtjlW)

7 I'd revise number # 4 to get rid of all tax credits and vouchers forever and ever...

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:06 AM (eEfYn)

8 While I'm in the Let It Burn camp, I do think the GOP should try for a Hail Mary of a deal....


The MBM will screech, regardless.


Give them a nice, hideous monkey's paw.

Posted by: fluffy at December 13, 2012 10:06 AM (z9HTb)

9 We will get nothing from the Democrats but blame. Nothing. No negotiation in the usual sense is even possible.

With the MFM flying high cover, the Democrats are content to go over the cliff.

Just.Do.Nothing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:06 AM (QupBk)

10
But if we're serious about confronting the challenges that lie ahead for our
nation


I'll have what he's smoking.

Posted by: Entropy at December 13, 2012 10:06 AM (TULs6)

11 No guys. We need a majority of Rs in order to keep a majority of Rs. Do everything the democrats want and dont negotiate at all. We didnt send the republicans to washington to fight, we sent them so there would be more Rs.

Right?

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 13, 2012 10:07 AM (t5sVh)

12 Time to move to Edmonton

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:07 AM (uFY4s)

13 Great ideas, Drew.

Our problem is that we live in the real world, rather than in Beltwaytopia.

Posted by: rickl at December 13, 2012 10:07 AM (zoehZ)

14 "Lower the floor of the lowest current tax rate to force more people onto the tax rolls."

If it works for healthcare, why not taxes?

(And I expect doing it for taxes would save a _lot_ more money when people have some skin in the game than we will by giving them "free" healthcare!)

Posted by: Norcross at December 13, 2012 10:08 AM (MbUq6)

15 OH CANADA

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:08 AM (uFY4s)

16 13 Beltwaydystopia

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:08 AM (uFY4s)

17 Tax everyone at 10 to 15 percent

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:09 AM (uFY4s)

18 I would go with that except add this. Lower tax rates for that one group even more and eliminate all deductions except the standard deduction (which is built in to the rate structure) and ALL tax credits.


Send that to OBama and if he kills it tell him there will be no deals at all and......wait for it.......



SHUT.IT.THE.FUCK.DOWN


Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:10 AM (YdQQY)

19 Seriously, when the republicans acquiesce to the Democrats initial position, it's still not enough. No negotiation is possible. We are just in the assigning blame part of this clusterfuck of Boehner's making.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:10 AM (QupBk)

20 No vouchers, no discounts, no rebates, no credits, no loopholes and cap charitable donation tax break at 1000 dollars.

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (uFY4s)

21 This will never happen as there aren't enough opportunities for graft doing it this way.

Posted by: Vizzini at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (O7Q1u)

22 We will get nothing and still own the continuing catastrophe.

Am I bitter? Why yes, yes I am.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (QupBk)

23 Instead what we will actually get is a repeat of the last deal. A promise to cut $30M from Obama spending budget with more 10 years down the road which will never happen.


IOW, another sack of magic beans.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (YdQQY)

24 Make the tax code have lesswords than the constitution

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (uFY4s)

25 These threads are starting to annoy me. It doesn't matter what kind of deal is proposed, it won't pass and Obama won't get blamed. Nothing is going to end up on Obama's desk for a veto.

It's almost like we are delusional and think we can win with some sort of strategic bill.

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (+wxCD)

26 And what exactly is Obama and Reid's motivation for accepting any of that? Right now they call any idea from the GOP unserious and will continue to do so until the GOP "proposes" something very close to what Obama has called for. That will pass under the pretense of being bipartisan, and then the GOP will get reamed from the right for going along with it, and then reamed some more from the left for not doing enough.

How about fuck all that. The sequestration arrangement came directly from Obama. Walk the fuck away and let the chips fall how they may. Everyone will pay more in taxes, and the economy will continue to be a clusterfuck. Add a billion new regulations and Obamacare and mix. Let his leadership take us to its natural conclusion, a big fat dose of stagflation. We can all suck on it together.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 13, 2012 10:12 AM (bS6uW)

27 From Public Policy Polling site:

"Mitch McConnell is the most unpopular Senator in the country. Only 37%
of Kentucky voters approve of him to 55% disapprove. Both in terms of
raw disapproval (55%) and net approval (-1 McConnell has the worst
numbers of any of his peers, taking that mantle from Nebraska's Ben
Nelson."

You can count on Mitch...

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:12 AM (eEfYn)

28 I love it when those in the LIB camp offer potential solutions.


Why do you care?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:13 AM (da5Wo)

29 Cap government spending to last years tax revenues, except during total war, which would be defined and explicitly stated

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:13 AM (uFY4s)

30 27 how could he be more bated than ben cocked sucker nelson

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (uFY4s)

31 If you think a deal can be reached, you are a very special person. Here's a participation trophy for you. Have some juice and cookies.

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (+wxCD)

32 Is it too early for a pointy-elbowed cheerleadah thread? Between the today's headlines post and this one, I've already got a whomping headache and early-onset depression.

Posted by: jakeman at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (96M6e)

33 "...cap charitable donation tax break at 1000 dollars."

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (uFY4s)

That's a brilliant idea: destroy the one thing that separates us from the rest of the world -- our generosity and willingness to help others.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (GsoHv)

34 No vouchers, no discounts, no rebates, no credits, no loopholes and cap charitable donation tax break at 1000 dollars.

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:11 AM (uFY4s)
----And no votes... :-)

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:15 AM (eEfYn)

35 Force the government to only borrow money from US citizens, never itself or other countries

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:15 AM (uFY4s)

36 Drew, you left out naked cheerleaders deliver pizzas and free beer 24/7.

You can't expect the folks who created the problem to also solve the problem.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:15 AM (fGw3R)

37 I meant to say 100000 dollars. This is a kindle

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (uFY4s)

38 For those from Reo Linda

No Deal Will Pass

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (+wxCD)

39 I thought it was a kjndle?

Posted by: Vizzini at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (O7Q1u)

40 Simple one: No budget, no deal.

Beginning and end.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (GBXon)

41 Seriously how can you sucked worse than ben nelson

Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (uFY4s)

42 Posted by: jakeman at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (96M6e)

Hold on for a few more days. You can do it.

But this may help to tide you over:

http://tinyurl.com/cswcsrz

NSFW

[AtC...please don't look.]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (GsoHv)

43 You can't expect the folks who created the problem to also solve the problem.

...when *perpetuating* the problem is 1) to their advantage in getting reelected and 2) what keeps them employed, fat & happy ever thereafter.

Posted by: jakeman at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (96M6e)

44 All we are getting for X-Mass is .... wait for it ...... DOOM!

Posted by: Paladin at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (YNPwP)

45 Damnit

Posted by: alex of the damnit at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (uFY4s)

46 Every GOP member of the house and Senate should pack up their whiskey and hookers and go home.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (fGw3R)

47 That's a brilliant idea: destroy the one thing that
separates us from the rest of the world -- our generosity and
willingness to help others.




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:14 AM (GsoHv)
----So the vaunted generosity and willingness to aid others is proportional to tax deductions? Why expect the government to subsidize generosity?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (eEfYn)

48 At least do something to put the ball back in Obama's court. But then I remember, our side is so bad with optics.

Posted by: Mainah at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (659DL)

49 Vic, Boehner already took the shut it down option off the table.

Posted by: JBS at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (DhX2g)

50 You can't expect the folks who created the problem to also solve the problem.
Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:15 AM (fGw3R)

Apparently HE DOES! This is like the fourth thread he's started about some kind of deal we can reach!

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (+wxCD)

51 That cheered me right up quick, CBD. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Posted by: jakeman at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (96M6e)

52 I love it when those in the LIB camp offer potential solutions.


Why do you care?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:13 AM (da5Wo)



Oh you hush you. Also, I left you helpful Lovecraft reading suggestions in the last thread. You're welcome.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (VtjlW)

53 All items in every bill must have some notion ofhow they are payed for in the bill itself

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (uFY4s)

54 Force the government to only borrow money from US citizens, never itself or other countries

Nobody loans money to a crack head

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (gyVJ0)

55 Posted by: alex of the kjndle at December 13, 2012 10:16 AM (uFY4s)

Awful idea.

You will destroy the altruism of Americans. Obama is doing a fine job of that on his own -- he doesn't need our help.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:19 AM (GsoHv)

56 I love it when those in the LIB camp offer potential solutions.

I firmly believe that there are no solutions. Why would the Democrats accept even half a loaf? They can get the entire bakery in the short term.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:20 AM (QupBk)

57 But then! When something goes wrong, the GOP will be blamed! And then they might not be relected! Into these positions of power and responsibility where their resolute courage and guiding principles are so desperately needed!

...etc., etc.

Just thought I'd save someone the trouble. You're welcome.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 13, 2012 10:20 AM (T3KlW)

58 Maybe thencharity deduction cap could be based on your income. So if you make x amount of dollars, you can take percentage constant x off. What does the horde think

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:20 AM (uFY4s)

59 Anyone seen my 'Tickle Me Pendejo'?

Posted by: Bob Menendez (D) at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (GWED/)

60 All items in every bill must have some notion ofhow they are payed for in the bill itself

Introducing the new American Express ObamaStash™ Platinum card...

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (gyVJ0)

61 Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:17 AM (eEfYn)

Because private sector assistance is much more efficient than anything the government can do, and it is often linked to things like work!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (GsoHv)

62 Listen, Hollywood pays fewntaxes do to that deduction

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (uFY4s)

63 Oh you hush you. Also, I left you helpful Lovecraft reading suggestions in the last thread. You're welcome.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:18 AM (VtjlW)





Thank you!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (da5Wo)

64 How about this:

No baseline budgeting. Everything - EVERYTHING - gets zeroed out at the end of the fiscal year. Justify your damned departments and agencies.

Also - cut corporate taxes to 17% and let corporations repatriate their assets with ZERO penalty.

yeah, sure...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (XkWWK)

65 There are no solutions because it's all just a big game of Calvinball. And Republicans never win at Calvinball.

Posted by: Vizzini at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (O7Q1u)

66 Nothing will change until everyone recognizes that there is no money. We have already defaulted, it just hasn't sunk in yet.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (QupBk)

67
"Ahem" *burp*

"Today, I'm recommending to all of my fellow Republicans in the House that we no longer impede the agenda of the White House in budget negotiations. As a result, we will give President Obama everything that he desires concerning tax and spending increases, since the President has made it crystal clear that none of our proposals are sufficient to satisfy his or Harry Reid's demands. We do this in the spirit of bipartisanship and the best interests of the country.

With that, I adjourn the House for the Christmas Holidays so that our colleagues may spend time with their families. Sorry, I'm not taking questions."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (yiIja)

68 Maybe thencharity deduction cap could be based on your income. So if you make x amount of dollars, you can take percentage constant x off. What does the horde think
Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:20 AM (uFY4s)

I do not like linking generosity to tax policy.

Give or do not give.

The fact that we are discussing this reveals just how bad income taxation is.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (fGw3R)

69 60 that made my day a little better.that is why come here

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (uFY4s)

70 AtC, I forgot to tell you...those chocolate chips? Not the result of mice. It was spiders. Big ones.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)

71 The other problem with this approach is that each spending bill would be forced to be more comprehensible since it would be focused on a single topic and people could see what Congress is doing.

If each bill was limited to some small number of pages (better yet words), and actually posted (not promised to be posted) for 72 hours prior to a floor vote, there would be a lot more positive citizen participation in government.



Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:23 AM (Cnqmv)

72 There's no mathematical way to solve this, so why do you keep trying?

Posted by: TheTruth at December 13, 2012 10:23 AM (iHeMr)

73 Okay, how about this:

Let's give Hoffa Jr. what he wants.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 10:24 AM (XkWWK)

74 It's not "altruism" if you're only doing it to get a financial benefit. Lol.

Nobody loans money to a crack head

If they claim they're buying a house with a 0% downpayment loan, it might be illegal not to.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 10:24 AM (/kI1Q)

75 If my Grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:24 AM (fGw3R)

76 Make income tax based on residence, not citizenship, a citizen making money elsewhere shouldn't be taxed because they are citizens

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:24 AM (uFY4s)

77 We have already defaulted, it just hasn't sunk in yet.

Yep, bomber Ben's 30% currency devaluation is a pretty hefty haircut for anyone who was holding treasury toilet paper.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:24 AM (gyVJ0)

78 Because private sector assistance is much more
efficient than anything the government can do, and it is often linked to
things like work!


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:21 AM (GsoHv)
--And other times it's just Bill Clinton's used underwear.Why subsidize it. (Let state and local government subsidize it!) Are people generous or 80% generous?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:26 AM (eEfYn)

79 All bills could fund only one department, not 3 or 4.

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:26 AM (uFY4s)

80 @60

you mean you haven't heard the latest scam for the whitehouse to take full control of our monetary policy. the whitehouse can mint a platinum coin (because it's not silver or copper) in the amount of $1trillion and deposit it with the Fed and take that amount out to the treasury.

this is not a joke.


Posted by: matt foley at December 13, 2012 10:26 AM (2WDMC)

81 Like Chile, make social security an actual retirement program

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:27 AM (uFY4s)

82 Ban the fed fro. Loaning the treasury money

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:27 AM (uFY4s)

83 followup to 80:

check out the trillion dollar coin post at econbrowser


Posted by: matt foley at December 13, 2012 10:28 AM (2WDMC)

84 Limit the Feds printing to the previous years Gdp growth

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (uFY4s)

85 To add to Drew's list:

Only pass good laws.

Revoke all bad laws.

Import hot Japanese babes to help American men relax after a hard day at work.


Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (fGw3R)

86 "It was spiders. Big ones."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)

Fly, you fool!

http://tinyurl.com/crg5uzh

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (GsoHv)

87 Yvette rid of the department of redundancy departments

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (uFY4s)

88 Put all federal programs under one department or anthothee

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (uFY4s)

89 Boehner 2010 vx. Boehner 2012.

B 2010: GOP seizes the House after a landslide victory in the midterm elections.

B 2012: GOP loses seats in the general.

I think Boehner's best move is to propose a straightforward conservative budget, and then then go asymmetric with specific tax revenue enhancing attacks on Blue Money industries, like Hollywood. People pay attention to that kind of stuff. A whiff of populism never hurts when times get tough. Copyright reform - share the pain.

Posted by: mrp at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (HjPtV)

90 " There's no mathematical way to solve this, so why do you keep trying?"

We're currently working on "for exceedingly large quantities of math"

We'll let you know our findings.

Until then, leave the math to us math people.

-

Posted by: AoSHQ Lead Math Guy at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (RuUvx)

91 The federal govt (the 'monster') spends too much money PERIOD. We need to hack tens of billions of dollars off every department, every year, right off the top. No more 'reducing the rate of increase' and pretending it's a cut. Real cuts. We need to take a chainsaw to the budget.

Plus, the monster does so many things which are totally unnecessary. I found out the other day that there are federal standards for ... wait for it... eggnog. Yes- your government has determined that we have to be saved from the lowfat, not enough fat, eggnog menace. How many govt employees earning how many dollars are we- the taxpayers- bankrolling to make sure that the eggnog produced in this country meets some arbitrarily set govt standard for eggnoggy-ness?

Multiply this sort of IDIOCY times a million and pretty soon you're talking real lunacy.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (8sCoq)

92 Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (fGw3R)


cut jib newsletter!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (Cnqmv)

93 85 why Japanese, they aren't very fertile

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (uFY4s)

94 Structural change? How about baseline budget increases set to 0%?

Is that so hard, Party of Stupid?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (X/+QT)

95 What e ver tax rate any individual congressman, Senator, or Cabinet Member pays...raise it 10% just because.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (79ueO)

96 Import hot Japanese babesItalian lingerie models to help American men relax after a hard day at work.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (fGw3R)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (GsoHv)

97 If Obama wants to play class warfare games, fine. Let's play bitches.

Now we're cookin' with gas! Thanks to all that filthy fracking.

Posted by: CJ at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (9KqcB)

98 83 followup to 80:

check out the trillion dollar coin post at econbrowser

---

I thought that was just a bad Simpsons episode I half-remembered...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 10:32 AM (e0xKF)

99 Multiply this sort of IDIOCY times a million and pretty soon you're talking real lunacy.


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (8sCoq)

you haven't been watching--it has already been multiplied a million times!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:32 AM (Cnqmv)

100 96
Import hot Japanese babesItalian Brazilian lingerie models to help American men relax after a hard day at work.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (fGw3R)

FIFY


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (GsoHv)

FIFY

Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 10:33 AM (GQ8sn)

101 Tie it into repealing the 22nd, and we're talking.

Posted by: Choom at December 13, 2012 10:33 AM (jfUIE)

102 I will repeat what I said yesterday, anything is preferable to a grand compromise with Obama, because it will be on his terms, he will be heralded a savior and gain political capital, and it will be an awful, can-kicking compromise. So Drew's approach is as good as the Hennesey's Option C. I'm ok with either.

I don't like number 2 - no ones taxes should be cut, unless everyone's are, but that is a small squibble.

And I guess you could also try to do something about estate tax, but again a small squibble.

Posted by: SH at December 13, 2012 10:33 AM (gmeXX)

103 The GOP can not do what we need them to do and the GOP does not even want to do it.

1994, 2006, 2010, 2012 - look at what happened in those years.

The GOP is a hopeless pile of junk.

Walk away from it.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:33 AM (fGw3R)

104 Is this like a wish thread? We have exactly two things that we can do by holding only one house of Congress. Not raise the debt ceiling and not stop the sequestration and tax hikes. That's it. And they are really the same thing, doing nothing.

It's conceivable that we could leverage the former into some kind of concession, and it would be ephemeral, considering our representation, but we have no leverage on the latter at all.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:34 AM (QupBk)

105 I'm running out of ideas. Limit all military partnerships to controls that are allies by treaty

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s)

106 Structural change? How about baseline budget increases set to 0%?

Is that so hard, Party of Stupid?


Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 13, 2012 10:31 AM (X/+QT)

Sounds suspiciously like an attempt to reclaim the language, komrade!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:34 AM (Cnqmv)

107 Put all federal programs under one department or anthothee

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:30 AM (uFY4s)
---Congress can't produce a budget. There will never perform bureaucratic reorganization in a useful manner.
They might manage to create some new departments though. We could have the SNAP Department for example. Obama has 60 czars and no new departments. I am sure he wants to have at least one.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:34 AM (eEfYn)

108 "If Obama wants to play class warfare games, fine. Let's play bitches."

STANDING OVATION

This is the kind of fight I like to see in the GOP. Hold the Speaker's feet to the fire. Remind all parties involved of their previous statements. This goes especially for the President. None of this whining about losing. Fight with what you have.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (i0vBR)

109 Boehner should announce that the Democrats are not bargaining in good faith and go home for Christmas.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (6H6FZ)

110 "Are people generous or 80% generous?"

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:26 AM (eEfYn)

You make a good point, but if we are going to subsidize anything with our tax dollars it should be something that actually gives us a positive return.

Are there charitable scams? Of course. But the totality of charitable giving is of great benefit to America.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (GsoHv)

111 AtC, I forgot to tell you...those chocolate chips? Not the result of mice. It was spiders. Big ones.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)



That was mean. Possibly deserved, but mean!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (VtjlW)

112 The amazing part of this whole deal is the deceptive and disingenuous practice of members of congress - and the media - of portraying members as being mere bystanders, incapable of doing anything.

Make no mistake, we are in the position we are in BECAUSE of the members of congress and no one else.

Its the congenital policy of refusing to police their own ranks which breeds this. Look at Menendez. Why isn't he - and the carpet muncher - being ostracized on the floor?

Why hasn't Larry Craig been ostracized? Maxine Waters?

Posted by: Enough already at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (qBLA2)

113 I think the GOP should also try to do Drew's approach coupled with a delaying of Obamacare. Repeal may be too much, though better. But delay is better than nothing. The longer we delay it the better the chance to repeal it.

Posted by: SH at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (gmeXX)

114 Only pass good laws.
Revoke all bad laws.


I think the 2nd law of thermodynamics makes that impossible. Entropy always increases.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (gyVJ0)

115
86
"It was spiders. Big ones."

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (da5Wo)

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Fly, you fool!

http://tinyurl.com/crg5uzh


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:29 AM (GsoHv)



YOU....SHALL....NOT....PASS...................sane monetary policies....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (da5Wo)

116 Require higher quotas for military spending of NATO. America shouldn't fund it all

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (uFY4s)

117
Gentlemen, gentlemen. Would we not agree to hot Japanese babes, and hot Italian and Brazilian lingerie models in the spirit of bipartisanship? Are we not the world's melting pot? Should we not promote multiculturalism?

I boldly propose we have all three.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (yiIja)

118 Posted by: EC at December 13, 2012 10:33 AM (GQ8sn)

If you think I will argue your edit....

Can we get both? Maybe a check-off box on our 1040s?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (GsoHv)

119 Boehner (or TP conservatives in the House) should come out and demand that cameras be placed in the back-room negotiating rooms. Invite the MSM in addition to CSPAN so they'll get a taste of drama/ratings madness and ask for it as well. Plant the idea in the MSM's head.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (X/+QT)

120 I boldly propose we have all three.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (yiIja)

Some compromises are indeed based on principle!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (Cnqmv)

121 Larry Craig didn't do anything

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (uFY4s)

122 Why hasn't Larry Craig been ostracized?

You're new here, right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (gyVJ0)

123 That was mean. Possibly deserved, but mean!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (VtjlW)



Shall we hug and make up?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (da5Wo)

124 117 why foreign girls

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:38 AM (uFY4s)

125 Drew's approach is good, but Hennesey's Option C is probably better only because the Senate has already passed it. So we could have a bill presented to Obama immediately without worrying about Reid.

And for those who say all tax bills must originate in the House, forget about it. The Court would not strike a bill down for such, it would be a political question.

Posted by: SH at December 13, 2012 10:38 AM (gmeXX)

126 Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (X/+QT)


Like posting bills on the internetz before floor votes, this will never happen because the Congressional scum of both parties do NOT want citizens to see what they are doing.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:39 AM (Cnqmv)

127 And, seriously, we need to be rid of Boehner. We have a clearly stated means of replacing an ineffective Speaker. We have an ineffective Speaker. Have at it. When someone's not doing the job he was hired for, you've got to let him go.

And, no, I don't much care who replaces Boehner. Pick a name out of a hat. If they suck we replace them too. Speakers, more so than any other representative, should know they're completely disposable and hold their position at the pleasure of the people who put them there.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 13, 2012 10:39 AM (T3KlW)

128 "here" is not the floor of the senate.

Posted by: Enough already at December 13, 2012 10:39 AM (qBLA2)

129 Btw, CBD, I just got around to viewing your link. My God.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:39 AM (da5Wo)

130 Here's the thing. Politicians long ago figured out how to bribe us with our own money. And it works- when robbing Peter to pay Paul, politicians know they can always count on Paul's vote.

The federal govt- in the form of the parade of whores who have passed thru Congress since the time of FDR- has made promises it can't keep. Until Americas are weaned off the federal teat, we won't get anywhere on solving our financial problems. And since Americans on the teat are loathe to give it up, and since politicians know they can't get re-elected by promising to take AWAY people's 'free stuff', well... here we are.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (8sCoq)

131 "And for those who say all tax bills must originate in the House, forget about it. The Court would not strike a bill down for such, it would be a political question."

It's not any kind of question. It's a Constitutional requirement.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (T3KlW)

132
How do we decrease corruption

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (uFY4s)

133 Only pass good laws.
Revoke all bad laws.

I think the 2nd law of thermodynamics makes that impossible. Entropy always increases.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:35 AM (gyVJ0)

No, a local drop in entropy coupled to a greater increase in entropy elsewhere happens all the time. Solar energy driving processes on the Earth, for example.

The 2nd law says entropy increases for the universe in total.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (fGw3R)

134 "How do we decrease corruption"

Exorcism!

Posted by: mrp at December 13, 2012 10:41 AM (HjPtV)

135 It's not any kind of question. It's a Constitutional requirement.

But it doesn't matter.

Posted by: SH at December 13, 2012 10:41 AM (gmeXX)

136 Here's the deal: Obama gets nothing and likes it. No taxes. No raising of any caps. Nothing. Leave town. Go to your district and start trying to empower your own State at the expense of the Federal system. Shut it down.

What part of "no more money" do these people not get? We are the most indebted nation in the history of Earth. Sh*t, our debt probably owes debt.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2012 10:41 AM (eHIJJ)

137 The main problem with these scenarios is we expect the foxes in the hen house to do the right thing and fix this.

But they HAVE been fixing this for decades and that's why we're here.

They're fucking foxes.

In a hen house.

The simplest AND most realistic solution at this point (since the November election) is LIB.

The sooner the better.

Hunker down morons.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 10:41 AM (aZ6ew)

138 It's not any kind of question. It's a Constitutional requirement.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (T3KlW)


What's that you say?

Posted by: Barry "Executive Order" Ochoomba at December 13, 2012 10:42 AM (Cnqmv)

139 134 "How do we decrease corruption"

Exorcism!

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I'd go with "execution" instead, depending on the offense.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 10:42 AM (e0xKF)

140 Like posting bills on the internetz before floor votes

They do this now comrade. You'll have generous 50 microseconds to register your feedback with your representatives before the vote.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:42 AM (gyVJ0)

141 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (yiIja)

The boy is a genius.

http://tinyurl.com/d6zbzk7

http://tinyurl.com/bppzfla


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:42 AM (GsoHv)

142 Ban all boners in the house by placing pictures of Helen Thomas throughout the capital

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (uFY4s)

143 http://tinyurl.com/c6fr3ka

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (GsoHv)

144 Gentlemen, gentlemen. Would we not agree to hot Japanese babes, and hot Italian and Brazilian lingerie models in the spirit of bipartisanship? Are we not the world's melting pot? Should we not promote multiculturalism?

I boldly propose we have all three.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:36 AM (yiIja)

In the spirit of compromise I second the motion.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (fGw3R)

145 I think the US government can be modeled as a closed system for therrmo analysis.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (eEfYn)

146 You'll have generous 50 microseconds to register your feedback with your representatives before the vote.

I could build an app to do that since my answer to every questions is Vote No.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (evdj2)

147 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:39 AM (da5Wo)

And two days ago I didn't even know she existed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (GsoHv)

148 I second the motion.

Discussion? Preferably with photos.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (evdj2)

149 It is how they provide cover for themselves - I had to vote for that increase in HHS spending to get the needed increase in farm subsidies - and highly unlikely to change.

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."

J. Wellington Wimpy

Posted by: steve walsh at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (wFwCH)

150 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:42 AM (gyVJ0)

Yes, I forgot the 72 hour qualifier, but in this techonological age, 50 microseconds should be enough for meaningful feedback.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:45 AM (Cnqmv)

151 What part of "no more money" do these people not get? We are the most indebted nation in the history of Earth. Sh*t, our debt probably owes debt.

---

To steal from Strangers With Candy, our debt has syphilis that is infested with crabs which are carrying gonorrhea.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 10:45 AM (e0xKF)

152 Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:43 AM (fGw3R)

Pixy won't let me post three links...apparently the limit is two in any comment.

Those TRS-80s must be really finicky.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (GsoHv)

153 >Gentlemen, gentlemen. Would we not agree to hot Japanese babes, and hot
Italian and Brazilian lingerie models in the spirit of bipartisanship?
Are we not the world's melting pot? Should we not promote
multiculturalism?



Indeed. That is why I question the glaring omission of hot Eastern European babes- from Romania, Hungary, Croatia, and Ukraine.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

154 I second the motion.



Discussion? Preferably with photos.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (evdj2)

Binders of women?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (Cnqmv)

155 Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (evdj2)

#141 and #143

You're welcome.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (GsoHv)

156 And a Buffet tax, tax Buffet 100% on all he owns.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (AWmfW)

157 117 why foreign girls?

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:38 AM (uFY4s)
-----------------------------------------

They'll do the jobs that American girls won't.

Specifically .....

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (RuUvx)

158 Top U.S. intelligence officials gathered in the White House Situation Room in March to debate a controversial proposal. Counterterrorism officials wanted to create a government dragnet, sweeping up millions of records about U.S. citizens—even people suspected of no crime.

Not everyone was on board. “This is a sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public,” Mary Ellen Callahan, chief privacy officer of the Department of Homeland Security, argued in the meeting, according to people familiar with the discussions.

A week later, the attorney general signed the changes into effect.

OK ... let's see Obama college transcripts in return.

Posted by: Socrates at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (e8kgV)

159 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 10:45 AM (e0xKF)
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Got STD's on you mind today? I knew the Italian lingerie models would include blowback.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (eEfYn)

160 How do we decrease corruption

Increase executions?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (gyVJ0)

161 Now I am out of ideas

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (uFY4s)

162 Replace all laws now on the books with a single new edict: "Be reasonable given the circumstances." Anyone violating the new unified edict goes straight to the gulag for being an asshole. We're going to need a big gulag.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (bS6uW)

163 And two days ago I didn't even know she existed.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:44 AM (GsoHv)


Kelly Brooke? Really?
Unbelievable hottie.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (da5Wo)

164 157 117 why foreign girls?

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:38 AM (uFY4s)
-----------------------------------------

They'll do the jobs that American girls won't.

Specifically .....

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I'm here about the blowjob...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge's Fraternity Brother at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (e0xKF)

165 Drew's third suggestion highlights what I think is a structural problem with our conservative ideology. We are the party and the ideology of lower taxes. We fight for lower and lower taxes which forces more and more people off the tax rolls altogether and those people become less and less concerned with how much the Government spends because they're not funding any of it.

It's time to make every income level, no matter how poor, pay something, even if it's just twenty bucks. Everyone should have some skin in this game, everyone should have a vested interest in the fiscal fortunes of the society they live in.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (tDieS)

166 OK ... let's see Obama college transcripts in return.

Posted by: Socrates at December 13, 2012 10:47 AM (e8kgV)


Some animals are more equal than others!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (Cnqmv)

167 even people suspected of no crime.
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Everyone knows true professionals suspect the unsuspected.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (eEfYn)

168 Here we go with the trillion dollar coin squirrel again. That was a stupid idea that a couple of libtard economists who can't balance their own checkbook had. The government is not interested in it at all. And you know why not?



Because why waste $1500 worth of platinum on a monetary scam? They are currently printing money right and left and have announced recently that beginning next month they will print $45B a month for an indefinite period of time.



In short Zimbabwe here we are (not come). We already have massive inflation on some items. Expect the rest to hit soon. And why does the government like massive inflation?


Two reasons; it allows them to pay back billions in debt for pennies on the dollar and it gives them an automatic tax hike.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (YdQQY)

169 what will American girls not do, and urophila is not an answer

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (uFY4s)

170 Boehner in 2010 talked more like 1955 Biff Tanner. Two years later he's acting more like 1985 Biff Tanner.


[Present Day: Biff Boehner is waxing Barack McFly's car, it's a silver BMW]


Barack McFly: Now, Biff, I want make sure that we get two coats of wax this time, not just one.


Biff Boehner: I'm just finishing up the second coat now.


Barack McFly: Now, Biff, don't con me.


Biff Boehner: [stammering] I'm sorry, Mr. McFly. I-I meant I was just starting on the second coat.


Barack McFly: Biff. What a character. Always trying to get away with something. I've had to stay on top of Biff ever since high school. Although, if it wasn't for him...


Reggie Love: We never would have fallen in love.


Barack McFly: That's right.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 13, 2012 10:49 AM (BAS5M)

171 Ahh, the Multitasking Horde. Addressing boobs wherever they're found...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 10:49 AM (yiIja)

172 Here's the deal: Obama gets nothing and likes it.

He hasn't been too shy about enacting shit regardless of what Congress does.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 13, 2012 10:49 AM (/kI1Q)

173 Posted by: Jones in CO at December 13, 2012 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

A true man of the world!

http://tinyurl.com/bdcvgse

http://tinyurl.com/bhdonbq




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 10:49 AM (GsoHv)

174 It's time to make every income level, no matter how poor, pay something, even if it's just twenty bucks. Everyone should have some skin in this game, everyone should have a vested interest in the fiscal fortunes of the society they live in.

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10% flat tax, no exemptions.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 10:49 AM (e0xKF)

175 169 what will American girls not do, and urophila is not an answer

Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:48 AM (uFY4s)
_____________________________________

It is *the* answer.
_

Posted by: Urophiliac at December 13, 2012 10:50 AM (RuUvx)

176 CBD, similar to what you posted....



http://tinyurl.com/becrzvc

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:50 AM (da5Wo)

177 See, this is why I'm more Libertarian than Republican.

I run a business. I'm in the 2%.

Republicans say vote for me, or the other guy gets in and he'll screw you over. Vote for us or Obama will raise your taxes.

Regardless of popular opinions and polls, there's a right thing to do and a wrong thing to do. If taxes need to rise, they should be raised on everyone, not just the enemy group. Raising them only a tiny minority of people just ensures that those aforementioned opinion polls will never reflect a populace that understands the price of the free stuff they want from the government.




Posted by: Gringo at December 13, 2012 10:51 AM (SbfVm)

178 "I could build an app to do that since my answer to every questions is Vote No."

LOL

Posted by: mrp at December 13, 2012 10:51 AM (HjPtV)

179 So when (not if) the "fiscal cliff" happens in 2013 I will be subject, for the first time in my life, to the AMT. When I explained that to Mrs. DocJ, sitting in the dining-room of our 1000 sq-ft townhouse that needs new rugs, curtains and an appliance or to, I added the punch line - congratulations, honey, we're officially part of "The Rich"!

So I said "screw it" and adjusted my budget to account for the roughly $8K tax increase by scaling back my spending on damn-near everything. Food, vacation, some much needed new furniture, those appliances I referenced above - everything went under the knife. Which is, I'm sure, precisely what we need for "recovery" in a consumer-based economy.

The people who will become funemployed because I'm not buying this crap and am instead sending it to Planet Washington? Screw 'em. They probably voted for Choomy, they can get their daily chocolate ration from the chocolate messiah.

Let it burn.

Posted by: DocJ at December 13, 2012 10:51 AM (A5uiv)

180 132
How do we decrease corruption
Posted by: alex of nebraska at December 13, 2012 10:40 AM (uFY4s)


Decrease the population of the corrupt. nudge-nudge, wink-wink.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 10:51 AM (XkWWK)

181 Shall we hug and make up?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (da5Wo)



Like I'm falling for that one.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:52 AM (VtjlW)

182 Anyone else notice how Paul McCartney looks like fast forwarded age enhanced pic of Lena Dunham?

When did they remove the bones from his face?

Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 10:53 AM (aZ6ew)

183 It's time to make every income level, no matter how poor, pay something, even if it's just twenty bucks.

I kinda consider the "sin taxes" and lottery to effectively be that. They're specifically intended to bleed money out of the low end.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 10:53 AM (gyVJ0)

184 Kelly Brook twitter pic



http://tinyurl.com/azukywe

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:54 AM (da5Wo)

185 Each Department and agency should justify itself each year to the full House and Senate, and be judged on its own.

Take OSHA for instance. In my experience, the acronym stood for 'Oh shit, him again' but I think it actually stands for Occupational Safety and Health Administration, or something.

We've lost 40,000 factories in this country in the last decade (thank you very much Bill Clinton and Nancy Pelosi) and millions of kinda dangerous factory jobs -- to be replaced by less then dangerous service industry jobs -- if replaced at all, but can you imagine for a second that their budget got cut?

Fuck it, who am I kidding, we have a cancer in this country and it's going to destroy the host. There's no stopping it, the people in charge are just going to keep rearranging the deck chairs.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 10:54 AM (feFL6)

186
181
Shall we hug and make up?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:37 AM (da5Wo)




----------------------

Like I'm falling for that one.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:52 AM (VtjlW)



What if I bring a cheerleader with me to the hug?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:55 AM (da5Wo)

187 The only way you decrease corruption is to decrease the government. The founders knew this. We lost it starting in 1861 when Washington got too big. That is when the corruption really got started with the railroads.


Until we return Washington to pre-1861 levels we will have corruption and tyranny. And there are only two things that will take us back to that. Either an Art V convention or revolution.


Too many people have a vested interest in maintaining the current statuesque. That was evidenced in the last election.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (YdQQY)

188 What if I bring a cheerleader with me to the hug?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:55 AM (da5Wo)

Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (fGw3R)

189 I think the looters are becoming more brazen and desperate. We are moving from the Wesley Mouch phase to the Dr. Floyd Ferris part of Atlas Shrugged. The steel is starting to show through the leather.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (evdj2)

190 185 Fuck it, who am I kidding, we have a cancer in this country and it's going to destroy the host. There's no stopping it, the people in charge are just going to keep rearranging the deck chairs.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 13, 2012 10:54 AM (feFL6)


Lady Liberty is shrieking from the middle of New York Harbor "Will somebody please come here and cut off my tits?! And while you're at it, my left leg!!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (XkWWK)

191 -- to be replaced by less then dangerous service industry jobs --

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whoa Whoa WHOA there....

You ever seen how dangerous a freshly mopped McDonals bathroom floor is????

Posted by: O.S.H.A. at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (nELVU)

192 Anyone else notice how Paul McCartney looks like fast forwarded age enhanced pic of Lena Dunham?

When did they remove the bones from his face?
Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 10:53 AM (aZ6ew)



It's very similar to how Steven Tyler looks like an old Jewish matron from Palm Beach now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:58 AM (VtjlW)

193 There was a scene in Wim Wenders' Until The End of The World [looong movie] where they're trying, in the not so distant future, to buy a used car in the USA with cold, hard cash. The dealer freaks out and yells "Who the fk do you think you are?! Nobody uses cash anymore you pricks!" and thenthe dealerpulls out a pistol, points it at the guys head, and robs him of all his cash.

I always kind of scratched my head wondering what kind of circumstances could lead to that kind of scene. Now I'm beginning to see it, sadly....

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 13, 2012 10:59 AM (3ZtZW)

194 I'm with the guy earlier who said these posts are getting annoying.

The Republicans have already demonstrated that they have no backbone, and that the only people whose opinions they value work at The Washington Post or NBC. Voters? Why the hell should we care what they think?

In short, Drew, great ideas but they will remain unused.

Obama just got reelected after a terrible four years. Why would anyone think he will be blamed at all when things go to hell? He is pretty much invincible.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 13, 2012 10:59 AM (P7hip)

195 Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (fGw3R)


My wife is an ex-NFL cheerleader and I've posted pics of her before. I think Bannion has the fucking thing bookmarked.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:00 AM (da5Wo)

196 What if I bring a cheerleader with me to the hug?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 10:55 AM (da5Wo)



Oh please, I'm not that easy. I am, however, two cheerleaders easy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:00 AM (VtjlW)

197 Lady Liberty is shrieking from the middle of New York Harbor "Will
somebody please come here and cut off my tits?! And while you're at it,
my left leg!!!"
>>

Once we steal enough to get a boat you bet your ass we'll be out to get those parts and more.



Posted by: Obamaconomy Copper Thief at December 13, 2012 11:01 AM (81UWZ)

198 It's very similar to how Steven Tyler looks like an old Jewish matron from Palm Beach now.

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Or as I describe it, "like Julia Roberts if she were ridden hard and put away wet."

The last time I saw a picture from him without knowing who it was first, that's really who I thought it was.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:01 AM (e0xKF)

199 It drives me nuts how amateurs like us on the outside looking in can come up with better proposals and plans than the "experts" like John Boehner who do our negotiating for us.
Seriously, he and Cantor need to go.

Posted by: DRayRaven at December 13, 2012 11:02 AM (H8fz7)

200 >>It's very similar to how Steven Tyler looks like an old Jewish matron from
Palm Beach now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:58 AM (VtjlW)





Speaking of beach, did you see the recent pics of Tyler with his shirt off?

That woulda horrified Col Kurtz.

They should break that one out at Gitmo, who knows where it might lead.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 11:02 AM (aZ6ew)

201 alex of nebraska, we don't have a tax deduction problem, we have a spending problem.

Fiddling around with the tax code isn't going to solve anything.

Posted by: KG at December 13, 2012 11:03 AM (p7BzH)

202 Too many people have a vested interest in maintaining the current statuesque.
Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (YdQQY)

Not I; I clock in at 5'4".

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 13, 2012 11:03 AM (53riN)

203 Drew M,

Nice plan but you forgot a big fat slice of Stupid People/Low Information Voter Bait.

May I suggest:

5) All Lotto, Powerball, Mega Million winnings are totally tax-free!


The Republican Party represents you, the little guy's, best- nay, only chance to become a millionaire!!!

We luvs you stupid, low-information voters!!!!!

XOXOXOXO!!!!11!

Posted by: naturalfake at December 13, 2012 11:03 AM (54vf8)

204 It's very similar to how Steven Tyler looks like an old Jewish matron from Palm Beach now.


Duuude looks like a lady!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 13, 2012 11:03 AM (BAS5M)

205 on the outside looking in can come up with better proposals and plans

Delphi process - "wisdom of the masses"
Washington process - "a collection of asses"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 11:04 AM (gyVJ0)

206 It drives me nuts how amateurs like us on the outside looking in can come up with better proposals and plans than the "experts" like John Boehner who do our negotiating for us.
Seriously, he and Cantor need to go.
Posted by: DRayRaven at December 13, 2012 11:02 AM (H8fz7)



That's because we use actual math, not Government math.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:05 AM (VtjlW)

207 If Obama wants to play class warfare games, fine. Let's play bitches.

To dreeeaaammm. . .
The impossible dreaaaammm. . .

Ah, Drew, that charming naivete of yours is what keeps me young.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 13, 2012 11:05 AM (zF6Iw)

208
My wife is an ex-NFL cheerleader and I've posted pics of her before. I think Bannion has the fucking thing bookmarked.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:00 AM (da5Wo)

Don't recall seeing them.

Posted by: eman at December 13, 2012 11:05 AM (fGw3R)

209 65 There are no solutions because it's all just a big game of Calvinball. And Republicans never win at Calvinball.

Posted by: Vizzini at December 13, 2012 10:22 AM (O7Q1u)

Hey that's awesome, never thought about it that way. It IS calvinball.

Posted by: KG at December 13, 2012 11:06 AM (p7BzH)

210 206 It drives me nuts how amateurs like us on the outside looking in can come up with better proposals and plans than the "experts" like John Boehner who do our negotiating for us.
Seriously, he and Cantor need to go.
Posted by: DRayRaven at December 13, 2012 11:02 AM (H8fz7)


That's because we use actual math, not Government math.

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Government math, like Hollywood accounting, is something that would get a person sent up the river if they tried it in any other situation.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:07 AM (e0xKF)

211 That's because we use actual math, not Government math.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:05 AM (VtjlW)

There is more substantive realistic discussion of government in any given week on AoS than there has been over the entire past four years in the House under Boehner!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 13, 2012 11:08 AM (Cnqmv)

212

I guess Jenna Bush is expecting.

One of our local radio station, classic hits, have a stupid typical morning crew: two idiots and a giggling girl.

So they played the clip with Pres Bush saying a few words about how happy he is about Jenna -- nothing at all out of the ordinary.

So while the clip he was playing the girl was giggling like an idiot and the guys did their Bush imprsssions.

This is the perception that is still out there. Bush is a clown. Bush is a clown. Bush is a clown.

The Left, once they decide to destroy a person's image, uses repetitve smearing that has a snowball effect and eventually becomes the general perception.

It something we need to counter or else.

Posted by: soothie at December 13, 2012 11:08 AM (yVBJI)

213

I'm bemused as people keep suggesting strategies that no one in power will listen to or care about.


I guess it kills the time while we slowly slide down into the abyss.


Faster, please.





Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 13, 2012 11:09 AM (1Y+hH)

214 183. "I kinda consider the "sin taxes" and lottery to effectively be that.
They're specifically intended to bleed money out of the low end."

@PurpAv They are without a doubt a form of lower class taxes. Unfortunately the lower class doesn't see them as such, which defeats the purpose. The poor should identify the money stripped from their meager paychecks with the Federal Government. Then perhaps when they're flipping through the channels looking for Dancing With The Stars and pass a news story about trillion dollar deficits they'll stop and pay attention.

Though I might be Pollyannaish. Am I being Pollyannaish?

Posted by: MorphysGhost at December 13, 2012 11:09 AM (tDieS)

215
It IS calvinball.

And we the people are losing 147 to Q.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 11:09 AM (yiIja)

216 Oh please, I'm not that easy. I am, however, two cheerleaders easy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:00 AM (VtjlW)

For some reason that reminds me of the Dorothy Parker quotation about martinis:

"I like to have a martini,
Two at the very most.
After three I'm under the table,
after four I'm under my host."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 11:10 AM (GsoHv)

217 TIME loves them some dictators.

Lil' Kim is Person of the Year.

Yay!

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 11:10 AM (fWAjv)

218 215
It IS calvinball.

And we the people are losing 147 to Q.

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When you think you've got the answer, I change the question!

Posted by: Rowdy Roddy Piper at December 13, 2012 11:10 AM (e0xKF)

219 Import hot Japanese babesItalian lingerie models Christina Hendricks sexbotsto help American men relax after a hard day at work.

Have I got to do all the thinking around here?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 13, 2012 11:10 AM (zF6Iw)

220 217 TIME loves them some dictators.

Lil' Kim is Person of the Year.

Yay!

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Big deal, so was I.

Posted by: Mr. Hilter from Minehead at December 13, 2012 11:11 AM (e0xKF)

221 We lost it starting in 1861 when Washington got too big.

A government that isn't big enough to stop slavery isn't useful.

Posted by: DaveA at December 13, 2012 11:11 AM (Xefrb)

222 "Ah, Drew, that charming naivete of yours is what keeps me young."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 13, 2012 11:05 AM (zF6Iw)

Well, that, and his condescending and dismissive tone.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 13, 2012 11:11 AM (GsoHv)

223 >>The Left, once they decide to destroy a person's
image, uses repetitve smearing that has a snowball effect and
eventually becomes the general perception.



It something we need to counter or else.



Posted by: soothie at December 13, 2012 11:08 AM (yVBJI)


It's called being Alinsky-ed.......right out of Rules For Radicals.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 13, 2012 11:12 AM (aZ6ew)

224
There is more substantive realistic discussion of government in any given week on AoS than there has been over the entire past four years in the House under Boehner!

But we're EXTREMISTS!!11!!eleventy!11!1

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 11:12 AM (yiIja)

225 The only thing the pussy Republicans in Congress should present is this:

Cuts now, with a 'promise' to raise taxes exactly one year from the cuts, if the cuts don't do the job.

Also, add every legislator receives a 50% pay cut if budget isn't balanced by that point that taxes 'have' to be raised.

Posted by: g.w. mclintock at December 13, 2012 11:14 AM (qwUGR)

226 Only pass good laws.



Revoke all bad laws.


Sprayed coffee all over my screen. What is this nonsense? I wish we had a rep system here.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 13, 2012 11:15 AM (HMNg5)

227 We're getting something in return: Royally fucked

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 11:15 AM (79ueO)

228 I'll see your spending cuts and raise you Texas' Independence coupled with seizure of all military assets within our borders. Along with a clause that guarantees that no Californians can migrate here.


Fairs fair.


And then I woke up...

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 13, 2012 11:16 AM (UZQM8)

229 227 We're getting something in return: Royally fucked

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If we're getting fucked royally, I'm calling dibs on Kate Middleton.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (e0xKF)

230 A government that isn't big enough to stop slavery isn't useful.


Posted by: DaveA at December 13, 2012 11:11 AM (Xefrb)

Yes we traded slavery for a few which would have disappeared anyway for slavery for all which is permanent.

Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (YdQQY)

231 I like it Drew. You are almost there.

Pass a 10% flax tax on ALL income. Everyone pays to play in this economy.

Call it the dime tax.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (iuY0Y)

232 We're getting something in return: Royally fucked



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If we're getting fucked royally, I'm calling dibs on Kate Middleton.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (e0xKF)



Unfortunately it's more like Queen Moochelle giving it to us with her strap on

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (1Jaio)

233 If we're getting fucked royally, I'm calling dibs on Kate Middleton.

You'll get Prince Charles and you will like it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 11:17 AM (evdj2)

234 Let it Burn. Fuck Obama

Posted by: Zakn at December 13, 2012 11:18 AM (zyaZ1)

235 Meh spending cuts supposed to be taxes... don't know what happened there.

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 13, 2012 11:18 AM (UZQM8)

236 Minnesota To Consider Forced Unionization Of In-Home Care Workers On SEIU’s Behalf…

One of the state’s largest unions will be approaching the all-DFL government for the authority to unionize thousands of in-home personal care assistants – the people who care for elderly and disasbled people in their homes.

The Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, was one of the unions that sought last year to organize in-home child care workers. That effort failed, after running into opposition from the Republican-controlled Legisalture and the courts.

The DFL won control of both houses of the Legislature last month and will take control when the 2013 Legislature convenes on Jan. 8.

Personal care assistants and other support workers plan to announce the plan in St. Paul today. They would need a state law to allow them to organize under the state’s public-employee bargaining act for the purpose of negotiating wages with the state.

With a DFL Legislature and DFL Gov. Mark Dayton, they could find a friendlier reception.


Cock suckers, one and all

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 11:18 AM (79ueO)

237 I for one am not giving Obama a new set of golf clubs and a case of Wagyu beef.

Posted by: eggs benedict at December 13, 2012 11:18 AM (FpBe1)

238 Oh please, I'm not that easy. I am, however, two cheerleaders easy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:00 AM (VtjlW)


Ok. The wife and her best friend. Both ex-NFL cheerleaders.

http://tinyurl.com/b4fl9an

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:19 AM (da5Wo)

239 Personal care assistants and other support workers plan to announce the plan in St. Paul today. They would need a state law to allow them to organize under the state’s public-employee bargaining act for the purpose of negotiating wages with the state.

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The way they're going about it is fucking evil.

There are tens of thousands of people who would have to pay dues, but only about 4000 of them are even allowed to vote on the unionization.

That would be a situation where you use Tony Soprano methods on the voters to get the result you want, IMHO.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:19 AM (e0xKF)

240 My offer:
First offer and let Obama Reid reject Simpson-Bowles.
Then:
1.) Let the Clinton rates lapse on the top two brackets kicking in at 350 750K, PLUS a 45% rate on income over $2M, a 25% AMT on capital gains over $2M.
2.) Return all non-defense, discretionary spending to pre-crash levels (2007)
3.) Repeal Obamacare (complete with Democratish promise to take up Healthcare reform in 2013.)
Let him reject these two options and go home for the Holidays. Spend the new year reminding the voters that they elected the party that designed EVERY LAST ONE OF THESE TAX INCREASES.

Posted by: Sam In VA at December 13, 2012 11:20 AM (rFiOs)

241 Ok. The wife and her best friend. Both ex-NFL cheerleaders.

http://tinyurl.com/b4fl9an
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:19 AM (da5Wo)



You lucky bastard.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)

242 A government that isn't big enough to stop slavery isn't useful.

The US Government officially supports defacto slavery when its deemed to be in US interests.

http://tinyurl.com/8nc6xaa

That's Presidential Memorandum Obama signed. Direct link to source document on the Whitehouse web server. No blog/media spin. His own actual words. Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 11:22 AM (gyVJ0)

243 You lucky bastard.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)

A couple things:
1)

2) Did you click the other pics in that album? There's one of the 3 of us at the Ravens Cheerleaders banquet.

3) The best friend, attended an all girls Catholic school.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:22 AM (da5Wo)

244 Holy shit B, that brunette! Is that a game of twister is see in the corner????

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 13, 2012 11:23 AM (iuY0Y)

245 We lost it starting in 1861 when Washington got too big. That is when the corruption really got started with the railroads.Until we return Washington to pre-1861 levels we will have corruption and tyranny. And there are only two things that will take us back to that. Either an Art V convention or revolution.
Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (YdQQY)

What occurred in 1861 which would cause an expansion of the federal government? Gee, that's a poser, all right. It's on the tip of my tongue...

Posted by: troyriser at December 13, 2012 11:23 AM (vtiE6)

246 I guess Jenna Bush is expecting.
One of our local radio station, classic hits, have a stupid typical morning crew: two idiots and a giggling girl.
So they played the clip with Pres Bush saying a few words about how happy he is about Jenna -- nothing at all out of the ordinary.
So while the clip he was playing the girl was giggling like an idiot and the guys did their Bush impressions.
This is the perception that is still out there. Bush is a clown. Bush is a clown. Bush is a clown.
The Left, once they decide to destroy a person's image, uses repetitve smearing that has a snowball effect and eventually becomes the general perception.
It something we need to counter or else. Posted by: soothie at December 13, 2012 11:08 AM (yVBJI)


Well, first, congratulations to Jenna and future Grandpa Dubya. Now, then:

I'm at the point now - especially after Crowder - where I don't want to take this shit silently anymore. I think, had I heard that bit, I would have pulled off the road, called Mrs P and told her to be ready with bail money. Then I would have gone to the radio station and waited for the idiot DJs; perhaps said I brought in some tasty snacks or wanted a photo or an autograph or something.

Then, when they came out: "Hey, I heard that bit you did about Jenna Bush and her dad."

"Yeah, dude, did you like it?"

"No. I didn't."


Instant coldcocking of radio asshole, followed up with:

"Did you like that?"

Time to punch back twice as hard, as a certain Kenyan dog-eating retard once said. Sure, it means jail time and assault charges, but do you think leftist assholes like that would be so quick to mock those on the right if they knew it meant the speedy introduction of Mister Louisville Slugger to their heads?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 13, 2012 11:24 AM (zF6Iw)

247

You must understand the thinking of congress critters to understand what is going to happen. The entire thrust of those in Washington D. C. is to delay any reduction in services or pension paymentsfrom the govt as long as possible. The current occupants are looking to cash out before the ability to borrow is curtailed beyond the ability to pay all obligations.


Nothing else matters, and nothing else will be allowed to interfere. The govt can carry on like this for decades, slowly stripping the wealth of the citizensaway through currency debasement.


Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 13, 2012 11:24 AM (1Y+hH)

248
Spend the new year reminding the voters that they elected the party that designed EVERY LAST ONE OF THESE TAX INCREASES.

You'd have to tattoo YOU VOTED FOR THIS! in reverse on everyone's forehead so they'd see it in the mirror every day, and even then it might sink in.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 11:24 AM (yiIja)

249 We're just jerking each other off and there's no happy ending.

As if Boehner and the Zombie GOP will do any of this.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 13, 2012 11:24 AM (XkWWK)

250 I can't wait for the new higher tax rates on millionaires to go up....and generate LESS revenue. Again.

Posted by: MSM at December 13, 2012 11:25 AM (uEm7J)

251 While I'm in the Let It Burn camp, I do think the GOP should try for a Hail Mary of a deal....

Sure the GOP should give America as many opportunities to turn around as they can. The point being each time the decision gets tougher and more stark contrast to the status quo. Go ahead, it's a good idea, the Reps won a Majority in the house, let's see if they can get SOMETHING for it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 13, 2012 11:25 AM (0q2P7)

252 We're just jerking each other off and there's no happy ending.

It's more of a shared solo.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 11:25 AM (evdj2)

253 3) The best friend, attended an all girls Catholic school.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:22 AM (da5Wo)



You've been warned about taunting Happy Fun Alex.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:26 AM (VtjlW)

254 You've been warned about taunting Happy Fun Alex.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:26 AM (VtjlW)


She also rode equestrian while there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:26 AM (da5Wo)

255 Oh good Newt-boy has a plan.

Why is it assumed Obama wants a deal when everything he's done points to the opposite?. He doesn't lose anything if there isn't a deal, in fact he gets to blame Republicans and then proposed "middle class tax cuts" that Repubs won't be able to say no to and he still gets everything he wants.

This idea that Boehner has any leverage with someone who isn't willing to negotiate is amusing, and look he gets blamed by members of this own party. It's Win/Win for Obama.

Posted by: HerrTrigger at December 13, 2012 11:27 AM (hS2DY)

256 If you want to solve the problems of any organization, be it a company or a country, you need to get all the decision makers together, pay them a shit salary whether or not they do anything and make sure any other perks for performance are eliminated.

Or something like that.

Posted by: jwest at December 13, 2012 11:27 AM (ZDsRL)

257 I received a call from a GOP fundraising group on Tuesday (I forgot which one, Republican House something something - doesn't matter) asking for donations to stop Pelosi and help Boehner. I told him a) I don't have the resources for a political contribution now, and b) I'm in no mood to help Boehner so, no, he won't be getting a vote of confidence from me. The solicitor said, "I understand, thank you for your time," and promptly ended the call. He was polite so I guess he's been getting a number of responses like mine from the grassroots or has been coached well.

Anyhoo, I think Boehner is about to be in real trouble. He's losing considerable backing from the base and its going to hurt the GOP's funding. Do I think he'll hold out against Obama because of this? No way. He'll make a backroom deal and trumpet about bipartisan work finally serving the American people while we plummet further into the abyss. And then he'll cry.

The GOP, however, will move further into irrelevance.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2012 11:27 AM (eHIJJ)

258 243 You lucky bastard.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:21 AM (VtjlW)
A couple things:
1)

2) Did you click the other pics in that album? There's one of the 3 of us at the Ravens Cheerleaders banquet.

3) The best friend, attended an all girls Catholic school.

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Did the best friend go to school with former Ravens cheerleader Stacy Kiebler?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:27 AM (e0xKF)

259 Posted by: Vic at December 13, 2012 10:56 AM (YdQQY)

Only made worse in 1939...

There is no turning this fucker back

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (UZQM8)

260 Health insurance premiums may as much as double for some small businesses and individual buyers in the U.S. when the Affordable Care Act’s major provisions start in 2014, Aetna Inc. (AET)’s chief executive officer said.

“We’ve shared it all with the people in Washington and I think it’s a big concern,” the CEO said. “We’re going to see some markets go up as much as as 100 percent.”

But of course

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (79ueO)

261 Let It Burn. No deals, no games, no politic-ing. The sooner the better. Let it burn before the behemoth grows. Let it burn while we still have the good people and infrastructure to create wealth and prosperity, if only the behemoth would stop breathing down their necks. Let it burn before the good people leave and the infrastructure crumbles like ancient monuments to forgotten gods. Let it burn while we still know how to rebuild.

Posted by: shillelagh at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (hRzu2)

262 Seriously. This batting around of good ideas for a bad situation is a waste of time. The GOP is dysfunctional. They make bad decisions. It's what they do.

Boner will do whatever he thinks is best. And whatever that is will be a terrible decision.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (je2hI)

263 Pass 1.6 Trillion in "stimulus" spending consisting entirely of tax cuts. As the Libs love to call tax cuts "spending" let's "spend".

I've said it before, they should act like Reagan is president and pass a bill filled with conservative priorities and ideas. Massive tax cuts, massive spending cuts, real reform of entitlements, eliminating departments. Make it a massive Obamacare-esque bill that the libs won't have time to go through.

Stop worrying about the media and do what's right for the country!

Posted by: Iblis at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (U0ndG)

264 you need to get all the decision makers together

...then lock the doors and start pumping in the gas.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 11:28 AM (gyVJ0)

265 A government that isn't big enough to stop slavery isn't useful.

From ending slavery to imposing it. Full circle.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 13, 2012 11:29 AM (GBXon)

266 Health insurance premiums may as much as double

That's only the opening salvo. It'll get much worse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 11:31 AM (gyVJ0)

267 Words cannot express how tired I am of the endless negotiations, suggestions for offers, criticisms of Beohner, etc. etc.

None of it does one bit of good.

So, I am going to wrap Christmas presents, which I paid cash for.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 13, 2012 11:31 AM (GoIUi)

268 258 Did the best friend go to school with former Ravens cheerleader Stacy Kiebler?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:27 AM (e0xKF)



Kiebler is a couple years older than the wife and I and about 6 years older than the best friend.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:32 AM (m+sK0)

269 And this lamp. This lamp and this zero based budgeting, that's all I need. And that Jaeger. That Jaeger, this lamp and this zero based budgeting, that's all I need. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 10:05 AM (VtjlW)


Your dog wouldn't be named "Shithead" by any chance, would it?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:33 AM (sbV1u)

270 ...then lock the doors and start pumping in the gas.>>

Would you like our help?

Posted by: The Spetsnaz at December 13, 2012 11:34 AM (81UWZ)

271 BCochran1981: "She also rode equestrian while there."

This is turning into a Playboy Forum letter. Not that I would know about such things. I only check out the pictures... 'cause I'm a moron.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 13, 2012 11:34 AM (eHIJJ)

272 Buffett, Soros Join List of Billionaires Calling for Tax Hikes They Won’t Pay

Since Warren Buffett has once again entered the current debate over tax increases by calling for the federal estate tax to go up,
it only seems fair to see how his latest round of proposed changes
would actually impact him. Buffett is among America's super rich, and
his fortune, at $46 billion, is second only to Microsoft founder Bill Gates'.

As I discuss with Aaron Brown, Risk Manager at AQR, in the attached video, Buffett's do-as-I-say, not-as-I-do proposals seem to fit the criteria needed to be a patriotic millionaire.

"I just got fed up. It wasn't just Warren Buffett. There's been a
half dozen of these things lately, and what I noticed is everyone is
asking for taxes to be raised except the taxes they actually pay," Brown
told me on the sidelines of the Minyanville Festivus event.







Buffet and other wealthy liberals are hypocrites? Shocked...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 13, 2012 11:35 AM (1Jaio)

273 I volunteer to be a Keibler elf.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 11:36 AM (yiIja)

274 Why didn't Boehner take that reporter to task during his press conference that just concluded? She insisted that GOPers want "tax cuts for the rich" and he just let it slide.

Grrr.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 13, 2012 11:36 AM (sZTYJ)

275 She also rode equestrian while there. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:26 AM (da5Wo)


Wait. Catholic school?

Then I'm sure that's not the only thing she rode while she was there.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:37 AM (sbV1u)

276 All these recommendations about what the Republicans should do. Smart things, things that make sense. They won't do a single one, even if you sat next to them and spoke right to their faces. They. Don't. Really. Give. A. Shit. About. Us.

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at December 13, 2012 11:37 AM (CQzvT)

277 >>>>>>Why didn't Boehner take that reporter to task during his press
conference that just concluded? She insisted that GOPers want "tax cuts
for the rich" and he just let it slide.


I don't understand how you've maintained these elevated expectations.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 13, 2012 11:37 AM (je2hI)

278 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:32 AM (m+sK0)

Was she a Ravenette?

Posted by: RWC at December 13, 2012 11:38 AM (fWAjv)

279 Buffet and other wealthy liberals are hypocrites? Shocked...>>

They are the 0.001% that should really be feared not the 1%the MFM/Dems keep talking about.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 13, 2012 11:38 AM (81UWZ)

280 "While I'm in the Let It Burn camp, I do think the GOP should try for a Hail Mary of a deal...."
--
The point of LIB isn't that we want it to burn. LIB is predicated on the idea that the GOP leadership is useless and will not fight. If, however, they want to prove us wrong, I'm more than happy to switch back from LIB to something more constructive. But right now, all the politicians have signaled that they want to kick the can down the road and worsen things in the future. In that case, it will burn regardless, so let it.

So backing a Hail Mary is still consistent.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 13, 2012 11:38 AM (Y5I9o)

281 275 She also rode equestrian while there. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:26 AM (da5Wo)

----------

Wait. Catholic school?

Then I'm sure that's not the only thing she rode while she was there.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:37 AM (sbV1u)




Easy big fella. It was an all girls catholic school. So no sex going on there at all.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:39 AM (m+sK0)

282 our dog wouldn't be named "Shithead" by any chance, would it?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:33 AM (sbV1u)



Maaaaybe.


brb someone's shooting at the cans

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Tick tock tick tock. at December 13, 2012 11:39 AM (VtjlW)

283
Easy big fella. It was an all girls catholic school. So no sex going on there at all.

---

No traditional sex anyway.

Lickety-split, OTOH...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 13, 2012 11:40 AM (e0xKF)

284 Easy big fella. It was an all girls catholic school. So no sex going on there at all. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:39 AM (m+sK0)


What's even more amazing is that you really seem to believe that.

Oh you dear, dear, sweet boy. ::: sigh ::: I didn't think they made them like you any more.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:42 AM (sbV1u)

285 Why didn't Boehner take that reporter to task during his press conference that just concluded?

Stockholm syndrome.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 11:43 AM (gyVJ0)

286 BCochran:

If they went to IND, I guarantee you there was sex going on there.

Posted by: shillelagh at December 13, 2012 11:44 AM (hRzu2)

287 This idea that Boehner has any leverage with someone who isn't willing
to negotiate is amusing, and look he gets blamed by members of this own
party. It's Win/Win for Obama.


This.

The meaningless chest-thumping act by the know-nothing conservative idealist set is getting fucking annoying.

No deal = sequestration = tax hikes + military spending slashed.

No debt limit increase = only enough money to fund entitlement and some military spending, everything else eliminated. Reversed with tax and spending hikes after ensuing electoral midterm slaughter.

For all the faults people like Boehner and McConnell, they're in a lose-lose situation. The caterwauling of those demanding that the GOP somehow (they never say exactly how) force Obama and the Dems to completely cave to the GOP when they have the upper hand is useless, delusional dick waving.

We're fucked, and there's nothing anybody in the GOP can do about it right now.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)

288
They. Don't. Really. Give. A. Shit. About. Us.

This is the Crux of the Biscuit. Unless and until we stop installing idiots like Boner, Reid, Pelousi, Waxman, Boxer, McConnell, Manchin, et al, we'll continue to get the government we so richly deserve. Things will change just as soon as we decide to put our foot down and say, "You will stop this bullshit right now. Now, instead of your rhetoric, here's what you're going to do..." and then lay out a cogent, adult plan that works, we're going to continue the screwing we're giving ourselves.

The only reason we're putting up with this shit is that we're putting up with this shit. We have the power to say "Enough" but we're so pussified that we can't say it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 13, 2012 11:46 AM (yiIja)

289 284 Easy big fella. It was an all girls catholic school. So no sex going on there at all. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:39 AM (m+sK0)


What's even more amazing is that you really seem to believe that.

Oh you dear, dear, sweet boy. ::: sigh ::: I didn't think they made them like you any more.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:42 AM (sbV1u)



What am I? Fucking stupid? C'mon now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:49 AM (m+sK0)

290 This is turning into a Playboy Forum letter. Not that I would know about such things. I only check out the pictures... 'cause I'm a moron.

Considering that it's Penthouse Forum. . .yeah, pretty much.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 13, 2012 11:50 AM (zF6Iw)

291 What am I? Fucking stupid? C'mon now. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:49 AM (m+sK0)


Dude, I went to Catholic grade school, Catholic high school, and got a BA at a Catholic college, an MA at another Catholic college and an MA in Catholic Theology at yet another Catholic college.
And, seriously, if you think nothing was going on in that school, then you really need to step back and think about it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:53 AM (sbV1u)

292 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 11:53 AM (sbV1u)



Dude, seriously??? I was being sarcastic. I know exactly what was goin on.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:57 AM (m+sK0)

293 Dude, seriously??? I was being sarcastic. I know exactly what was goin on. Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 11:57 AM (m+sK0)


Gimme the < / sarc > tag next time. You have any idea how many RadTrad Catholics I know who quite sincerely believethat no one in a Catholic school of any type has sex?

Delusional - and I am Catholic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2012 12:01 PM (sbV1u)

294 The caterwauling of those demanding that the GOP somehow (they never say exactly how) force Obama and the Dems to completely cave to the GOP when they have the upper hand is useless, delusional dick waving.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)

No Republican I know is expecting or demanding that Boehner force Obama and the Dems to cave to the GOP, so you're arguing something of a strawman. While I can't speak for others, I fully expect them to demand real entitlement reform (not vague to-be-undelivered promises)as a precondition for any deal, as a show of good faith by the President, if nothing else.However, this defeatist belief seemingly held by many in GOP leadership positions that there's nothing for it but to raise the white flag and beg for mercy is just plain cowardice. Many GOP politicians are worried they'll be blamed for failing to make a deal, as well as forthe inevitable economic consequences of a bad deal; e.g., a dealnot including any spending cuts.

News: the GOP is going to be blamed for any negative outcome no matter what they do. Therefore, the thing to do is to through with any course of action that is least harmful/most beneficial to the country. I would say walk away since the President is negotiating in bad faith; thus, negotiations of any sort are pointless, but I don't know the particulars of the discussion with any real depth.

There's a chess term called 'Zugzwang'. It's when you find yourself in a position where there is no good next move. That doesn't mean all of your options are equally disastrous. Some truly are disastrous,immediately game-ending. Others lose a piece or give up the initiative. The point is none are good. We're in Zugzwang. There's nothing for it but to pick the best of the worst, play it out and hope to regain the initiative later in the game.

Posted by: troyriser at December 13, 2012 12:07 PM (vtiE6)

295 correction: 'follow through with any course of action...'

Posted by: troyriser at December 13, 2012 12:07 PM (vtiE6)

296 I thought by bringing her hotness, the attendance of an all girls catholic school and her riding equestrian I was being obv what I meant. Guess not.


My bad.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 13, 2012 12:08 PM (m+sK0)

297 I made the argument about getting something in return for our inevitable capitulation previously by saying that our legislators should be forced to put all of their assets in a trust linked to the inflation adjusted GDP of the US upon taking office. There would be less opportunity for self-dealing and the incentives would improve. If you really want to make them act more soberly force them to leave their assets in the trust for 5 years after leaving office so that they feel all of the effects of what they have wrought.

But we could also demand an end to baseline budgeting so that massive increases in spending are no longer considered cuts. We could demand that the government use an accounting system more like the private sector --- one that reflects reality. We could ask for and get lots of things in return for raising taxes on high earners a few percent.

Whatever we ask for needs to be structural so that it is harder for our budget to get so out of whack in the future. Either incentives or procedures should be changed in some fundamental way. Obama is asking for the opposite... the ability to raise the debt ceiling at his whim. He knows how to play the long game.

Posted by: Voluble at December 13, 2012 12:09 PM (qYvEa)

298 don't call obama's bluff said mr. smartest person ever.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 13, 2012 12:11 PM (QxSug)

299 I have long advocated setting up all these special earmarks on something like Kickstarter. Kickstarter is a website where folks can pledge $$ to help make a movie, an album, a boardgame, all kinds of stuff. If the project doesn't reach it's target $$ goal in X number of days, it isn't funded and the pledges don't have to pay.If it DOES make it's pledge goal, then the donors have their credit cards charged, money goes to the project and everyone is happy.NOW, we hear so much about how this project is worthy and that project is worthy. If theyare so damn worthy, then folks will WANT to send money in for them. So let Congress put a project on Kickstarter to build a tunnel so turtles can go under the highway. Everyone that likes it can fund it, if it hits it's goal, then it is funded AND everyone that funded it can DEDUCT THAT AMOUNT FROM THEIR TAXES!!! This way folks actually have a say in where their tax money goes! And there is no more of this endless earmarks and pork projects unless enough folks want the damn thing.Problem solved!

Posted by: Dwayne the canoe guy at December 13, 2012 12:22 PM (2EmS8)

300 "Did you click the other pics in that album? There's one of the 3 of us at the Ravens Cheerleaders banquet."

You had me until you mentioned the Ravens.

Posted by: Dale, Black-n-Gold forever at December 13, 2012 12:25 PM (HegGA)

301 Oh Election Night was frightful
And Obama is oh so spiteful
Since the country took a left turn
Let it burn!
Let it burn!
Let it burn!

Posted by: calbadger at December 13, 2012 12:26 PM (TaWQc)

302 "Lower the floor of the lowest current tax rate to force more people onto the tax rolls."

yeah this is a real winner of an idea

no dissing socons anymore if this is what the "ficons" are advocating

Posted by: JDP at December 13, 2012 12:31 PM (8HhF2)

303 No Republican I know is expecting or demanding that Boehner force Obama
and the Dems to cave to the GOP, so you're arguing something of a
strawman.


Read the comments in this and every other thread on the subject. You won't have to read many.

Again- "Just walk away" = sequestration = tax hikes on everyone plus big military cuts. If that's what you think the best outcome is, fine. Argue that.

Far too many of us sound like an apartment dwelling 7 year old girl who wants a pony for Christmas. Any rational argument about how impractical and/or impossible that would be are met with "I don't care I don't care, I don't care, I want a pony I hate you."

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 12:33 PM (SY2Kh)

304 If people want scandi-sized government benefits, they all of them need to start paying scandi-sized tax rates. 50% fed tax right off the top. For every last one of them, rich, poor, whatever. You want it, you have to pay for it yourself. Everyone has skin in this game.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 13, 2012 12:36 PM (9GaPd)

305 Read the comments in this and every other thread on the subject. You won't have to read many.Again- "Just walk away" = sequestration = tax hikes on everyone plus big military cuts. If that's what you think the best outcome is, fine. Argue that.Far too many of us sound like an apartment dwelling 7 year old girl who wants a pony for Christmas. Any rational argument about how impractical and/or impossible that would be are met with "I don't care I don't care, I don't care, I want a pony I hate you."
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 13, 2012 12:33 PM (SY2Kh)

I should've emphasized the 'Republican' part of 'No Republican I know'. Iidentify strongly as a Party of Lincoln, straight-ticket voting Republican, and don't--as DrewM is always careful to do--emphasize the distinction between 'Republican' and 'Conservative'. Many libertarian-types, for example, call themselves conservatives. They aren't.Neither are thefar-right para-military types whocall for bloody revolution and worry about FEMA camps and fluoride in the water supply--and believe me, these guys really, really like Drew's 'Let It Burn' strategy. Check out the American Resistance Movement website. There's a prominent link to Drew's little essay. They think it's just peachy.

I don't want thecountry to go over the fiscal cliff. My own son is a private in the Army, an infantryman fresh from Basic, scheduled for deployment to Afghanistan in March. You better believe I want the US Army to have all the resources it needs to maximize the odds of bringing my boy home safe. That said, the GOP cannot engage in negotiations to avoid economic catastrophe with those who are actively doing all they can to bring that catastrophe about, since they (the President and his allies) believe all the bad things that happen can be successfully blamed on Republicans and that they can exploit this crisis to further their agenda.

So yes, I encourage the GOP to prevent us from going overthe fiscal cliff, if possible. Boehner and the Republican Party should not, however, go down without a fight. If they abjectly surrender on spending cuts and entitlement reform, then they've lost their purpose, which is to prevent the stealth socialist transformation of the United States.

Posted by: troyriser at December 13, 2012 12:55 PM (vtiE6)

306 It doesn't work to raise taxes on Congress because they don't currently pay the taxes they owe: http://tinyurl.com/8tj2ufz

Here's an easy way to get 3.4billion: tell all Federal employees that they must be current on their taxes or be on a payment plan with the IRS, or they lose their jobs. Give them 60 days to comply.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM (5HBd1)

307 And eliminate the charitable deduction for estate tax purposes for estates greater than 20 million. Because at some point you've left enough money to charities that will then lobby against the interests of actual living people. Kind of like those "Evil Corporations"!

Posted by: salute at December 13, 2012 01:40 PM (VFWX5)

308 I only control 3/5 of one half of one third of the government, you guys. So shut up and bend over.

Posted by: Speaker "Weepy John" Boehner at December 13, 2012 03:15 PM (pKCuj)

309 Or better yet pass a bill lowering tax rates on all who make 250K or less by 10% and leave current rates for above $250K where they are now, then demagogue the shit out of Obama and the Dhimms about how they are against a tax break for the middle class and the POOOOR!

Posted by: Oldcrow at December 13, 2012 10:35 PM (WxSk8)






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