Stuff You Already Knew: Romney's Ads Sucked And He Didn't Have Many of Them

This guy was the expert of money management?

Obama and his allies spent less on advertising than Romney and his allies but got far more — in the number of ads broadcast, in visibility in key markets and in targeting critical demographic groups, such as the working class and younger voters in swing states. As the presidential race entered its final, furious phase, for example, millions of college football fans tuning in to televised games saw repeated ads for Obama but relatively few from the Romney campaign.

All told, from June through Election Day, the Obama campaign and its allies aired about 50,000 more ads than Romney and his allies, according to the research firm’s data.

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Romney not only paid more for his ads but also missed crucial opportunities to advertise, for instance during the political conventions and on Spanish-language television, according to the campaign officials and analysts. Spending by super PACs — such as Restore Our Future, set up by former Romney campaign officials — compensated for some of the advertising shortfall, but even with those expenditures the Obama campaign had a clear advantage.

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Obama outpaced Romney in several advertising categories, including many considered critical to winning in swing states. For instance, Romney ads were far less visible on Spanish-language television. The organization said Obama ran 13,232 spots on Spanish-language TV stations, compared with 3,435 for Romney.

Also, between Oct. 22 and 29, Obama and his main campaign ally, the Priorities USA Action super PAC, aired more commercials in most of the top media markets despite being outspent by the Romney campaign and its main ally, the Restore Our Future super PAC, by about 30 percent.

His ads were horrible, too, but you can't quantify that.

Posted by: Ace at 07:40 PM



Comments

1 Could you please stop with the kicking already?

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 12, 2012 07:41 PM (gCa4h)

2 Romney likely never even saw the ads, much less market them. He had a shitty team, hands down.

Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2012 07:41 PM (sw9Vn)

3 This is the first time in a long time I was not in a swing state to see the ads--

but--


Florida and Ohio morons were complaining about Obama going for weeks with an unanswered blitzkrieg.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:42 PM (r2PLg)

4 1 Could you please stop with the kicking already?
Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 12, 2012 07:41 PM (gCa4h)



Sonny Corleone trash can lid to the head. OOPS! Jim Moran Jr.!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:42 PM (XkWWK)

5 Not pounding F&F on Spanish media was a mistake.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:42 PM (QupBk)

6 Mitt who?

Posted by: Quarles Vibson at December 12, 2012 07:43 PM (86/8G)

7 It was all contractors. That's why I hate contractors. They have no passion for your business, only getting paid.

Posted by: Sponge at December 12, 2012 07:43 PM (sw9Vn)

8
Not pounding FF on Spanish media was a mistake.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:42 PM (QupBk)

totally.

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:43 PM (nqBYe)

9 The morons wrote better ads in the comments of this site than Mitt put out.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:44 PM (QupBk)

10 Not pounding FF on Spanish media was a mistake.



Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:42 PM (QupBk)

totally.


Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:43 PM (nqBYe)

'cuz Obama cares about people like me'

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:44 PM (nqBYe)

11 Please?

http://tinyurl.com/c7qjdfy

Posted by: Mitt Romney at December 12, 2012 07:44 PM (gCa4h)

12 It's highly likely that Romney's team was--compromised.


Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:44 PM (r2PLg)

13 I really liked the idea of low cost ads in non-primetime hours and on lower cost WB type networks.

Something to learn from.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 07:45 PM (QxSug)

14 Mitt needed to debate as He did in the first debate , but more so.every.debate.

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:45 PM (nqBYe)

15 I really liked the idea of low cost ads in non-primetime hours and on lower cost WB type networks.

Gee, I wonder if Obama might have gotten a deal that was not offered to Mitt...

Posted by: wiserbud at December 12, 2012 07:47 PM (gCa4h)

16 I tell you what there was two ads at the end of Romney's campaign--one of the Colorado crowds and one of the Ohio crowds that I thought were absolutely beautiful.

If I had known that legalizing pot was on the Colorado ballot I would have tamped down my CO. hopes a bit--and changed my thoughts on the turn out model.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:47 PM (r2PLg)

17 Tasker, I agree. Sounds like an inside job.

Posted by: Stourma at December 12, 2012 07:48 PM (8k5/X)

18 Obama was able, with the help of the MFM, to make the election a choice rather than a referendum. And then won, again with the help of the MFM, by dirtying up his opponent.

I would say that we should have seen that coming, except that we did, and hollered at the Republicans about it for months.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:48 PM (QupBk)

19 republican's also need to be set up at poll stations as if there Would be a problem because i've read about voting issues for the last few elections local and national.

kicked out ? srsly?

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:48 PM (nqBYe)

20 The big winners were the GOP consultants.

Posted by: Hand Solo at December 12, 2012 07:48 PM (vu3g7)

21 Jeez, why not have a thread about the "FORD TO CITY: DROP DEAD" headline and its impact.

Oy. It's like beating a dead Sara Jessica Parker

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (XkWWK)

22 >>>His ads were horrible, too, but you can't quantify that.

Let me help.

62,611,250 Popular Votes to 59,134,475 Popular Votes

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (0q2P7)

23 Back in the old Reagan days, the Democrats were shrieking about how Reagan had "harnessed the power of Madison Avenue" and had a crack team of ad people.

It probably wasn't true, but at least there were some people who designed ads as if they wanted to sell the product, instead of ads that looked like maybe they'd win awards for public service.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (sZm4v)

24
Let's not lose sight of the fact that more people were motivated by free shit than the good of the country. Romney was a flawed candidate, and made many of the same nice-guy mistakes that "moderate" republicans make in every election. But come on... we wouldn't have lost but for the 65,000,000 dumbasses that make up the Democratic voter base.
These idiots would've reelected Carter. They've vote against Washington, Jefferson, etc.
65,000,000 retards. That's what we're really up against.

Posted by: SamInVA at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (YCvRs)

25
Mitt's good with money. Advertising and image, not so much.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (yiIja)

26 I can't believe we lost

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (jE38p)

27 toby, yeah his advisers were shit.

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:50 PM (nqBYe)

28 The real reason George H. W. Bush lost the election was because he promised not to raise taxes but went ahead and raised them anyway.

Posted by: Republican Political Consultant at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (BgIBZ)

29 17 Tasker, I agree. Sounds like an inside job.
Posted by: Stourma at December 12, 2012 07:48 PM (8k5/X)

______________

I'm not kidding about that.

If they were in his internal polling staff there is no way he could get a true measure of what was and what was not working.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (r2PLg)

30 26 I can't believe we lost
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (jE38p)


Not only that, but we have the Manchurian candidate elected AND re-elected.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (XkWWK)

31 #24: Let's not lose sight of the fact that more people were motivated by free shit than the good of the country.

Good advertising changes motivation---or harnesses it to lead a person in a different direction. Crappy advertising doesn't.

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (sZm4v)

32 El caballo está muerto.

Posted by: huerfano at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (bAGA/)

33 I'm starting to come around to the realization that Romney was a setup and that it was all a joke, it's the only thing that makes sense to me

Romney has completely disappeared from the public discourse.


WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (0fxcV)

34 But he saved the Olympics!!

Posted by: Brian Dennehy in Zardoz at December 12, 2012 07:52 PM (BAnPT)

35

We had a slam dunk case against Obama, dammit!

We are the Arizona friggin Cardinals of politics.

Posted by: soothie at December 12, 2012 07:52 PM (/eLjI)

36 OK let's not fall into this trap of thinking 65M Obama voters are all dyed-in-the-wool libs, anymore than all the people who voted for GWB were all hardcore evangelicals

i'm sure a certain chunk of the Obama electorate is peel-offable. plus we still don't know if it's really a new Democratic majority, or a specifically Obama majority.

Posted by: JDP at December 12, 2012 07:52 PM (60GaT)

37 26 I can't believe we lost
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 12, 2012 07:49 PM (jE38p)

____________

Remember all that data about the enthusiasm gap?

Republicans were supposedly much more enthusiastic?

That really influenced what I thought would be the turn out percentages.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (r2PLg)

38 SMOD 2016?

Posted by: chaz at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (sSNkG)

39

This thread sucks.


Let's get back to Howard Cosell and the Rusty Deflector Shield.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (XkWWK)

40 Well it doesn't take much toimpress a bunch of football fans, welfare recipients and all around thieves of how great the WON is.

Posted by: jaimo at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (ulzt7)

41 yeah, lib

we have a guy that hung out with ayers, hunted down marxists professors to learn at their knee, wrote poverty act , ceding American Rights to the UN, and ate a damn puppy!

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (nqBYe)

42 "Romney has completely disappeared from the public discourse."

um?

Posted by: JDP at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (60GaT)

43 By the way, we got our asses kicked. We lost every Senate seat that could be lost basically. And hell, I didn't know we could lose ND.

I still wish that Romney had done X, where X was bitch to holy hell about why there's been no budget passed because of Reid and the Senate and the failure of Obama's check the box leadership style.

Of course, hinting that these senate seats were targeted by a very special blend of voter fraud is crazy.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 07:53 PM (QxSug)

44 The anti-Socialist party, the Republican party or who ever can replace it, should have gotten a wakeup call with this election. To defeat the MFM, and that's really who the battle is with, you have to have a permanent campaign. We should be prepping the battlefield of the next two elections starting yesterday. Run cheap ads now! Every week point out where the red bastards are fucking us up. Dates, numbers, people hurt and crying.

Start Now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:54 PM (QupBk)

45 Romney likely never even saw the ads, much less market them. He had a shitty team, hands down. Considering some of the missteps Romney's team made, it seems his management ability was overrated by his boosters. /shrug. LiB!

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at December 12, 2012 07:54 PM (v3pYe)

46 you know, the free shit stuff?

Sure sure, mock Obamaphonelady, but some normal people were probably scared that they'd be out on the streets.

Rush encapsulated it today, fix the economy then fix the handouts.

Maybe romney's super awesome message about 47% was a killer after all.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 07:55 PM (QxSug)

47 44 Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 07:54 PM (QupBk)


Anyone have Shelly Adelson's and the Koch Bros. phone numbers?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:55 PM (XkWWK)

48 Oh for christ sake, this election had nothing to do with advertising. And as for Obama getting more bang for his money, if anyone doesn't believe the majority of networks, affiliates and pay channels didn't give Obama favorable rates and exposure, I got a bridge to sell you.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 07:55 PM (GZitp)

49 I can't even think about the election anymore. I get too sick. So I am sticking to Christmas spirit thinking. It produces more endorphins, less acid.

Posted by: madamex at December 12, 2012 07:55 PM (1zsKV)

50 Romney's biggest mistake was attributing more maturity and analytical ability to the public than it actually has.

When you target a general adult population, you need to use concepts and words a 8th or 9th grader will understand.

IOW, Romney presumed the electorate to actually be adults, but they're not.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 07:55 PM (MOQU2)

51 Yes, there were not enough fucking television ads. Nobody knew he was running. It was impossible to tell his message because the ads only ran all fucking day long for months on end.

There is absolutely no reason to be suspicious of an article published by a newspaper touting the vital need to run more and more goddamn ads. When you reach the point of total media saturation? Run more ads. When it seems like you're running a stupidly absurd amount of ads? Run twice as many. There is no problem that can't be fixed by spending more money on advertising. Especially with the Washington Post Co.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 12, 2012 07:56 PM (+lsX1)

52 Just imagine, folks, the backlash there would be if it turned out that Romney's ad people were social cons.

Then the GOP elites would really have it out for the so cons.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 07:56 PM (QxSug)

53 had millions not show on up on both sides.

people were fed up but?

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 07:57 PM (nqBYe)

54 ♪ soy un perdedor, I'm a loser baby, so...

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 12, 2012 07:57 PM (Qxdfp)

55 Obama and his allies spent less on advertising than Romney and his allies but got far more
----
Obinga didn't need to advertise at all, he had about 5-6 tv networks running ads 24/7 in 57 states.

Posted by: Whatev at December 12, 2012 07:57 PM (2t6Gz)

56 OTH, we did get a 40 swing in newspaper endorsements.

We did shave off 7 million voters from team hopeychangey.

But we still lost.

So, recriminations have to occur.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (QxSug)

57 At the risk of sounding naive, I am deeply dismayed by the fact that we've become such an un-serious people that we are so easily influenced by media manipulation...to the point where we can't seem to be able to choose between a sensible, mature businessman and an out and out fucking communist, albeit a communist smart enough to not call himself a communist. And that's apparently all it takes to lose your country.

Un. Fucking. Believable.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (4x8W0)

58 Posted by: Clutch Cargo at December 12, 2012 07:57 PM (Qxdfp)
I heard that today. Great.

Posted by: madamex at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (1zsKV)

59 Beating an incumbent is still a difficult proposition.

Carter still received 41% of the vote. I think Reagan barely broke 50%

Unlike Obama--Carter didn't have the race card advantage, the race allegiance voters and a media that protected him like they were his parents.

Carter might have beaten the likes of Reagan with all of those advantages.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (r2PLg)

60 I guess that's sorta like the old Wooden Allen joke: "the food here is horrible.... and the portions are way too small"

Posted by: Mark Asread at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (CtjOo)

61 Government is not a business. It's a racket, enforced by coercion. Don't expect businessmen to automatically understand how it works. However, you might think experience as Governor of Massholechusett(e)s would have prepared the guy a bit more.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 12, 2012 07:59 PM (mukPq)

62 28 The real reason George H. W. Bush lost the election was because he promised not to raise taxes but went ahead and raised them anyway.
Posted by: Republican Political Consultant at December 12, 2012 07:51 PM (BgIBZ)


And that has haunted us to this day. When the GOP surrenders its core principles it lets SCOAMF claim they have failed since Reagan. Why do you think he keeps harping on "we tried it their way for 20 years and it doesn't work?"

The Reagan boom will be taught (if it ain't already) to be a failure and that high taxes and spending grow economies.

PUKE!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 12, 2012 07:59 PM (XkWWK)

63

We know it's not the quantity of the ads, numbskull.

We're saying it was the quality and content of the ads.

The internet ads were okay but as everyone said when Ace would post one, "Will anyone see this?"

Posted by: soothie at December 12, 2012 07:59 PM (GcwH1)

64 1) Open primaries
2) Overlong primary season
3) Obama campaign illegalities (foreign donations, improper use of US funds)
4) Registration fraud
5) Republican consent decree which does not allow Republicans to contest election fraud
6) Romney advisers who were either incompetent or working for the other side
7) MSM bias
The fact that a very little fraud in a very few precincts in swing states are enough to steal the election
9) Poor advertising, and not enough of it
10) Low-information voters
11) Failure to explain bankruptcy and economics to the ignorant electorate
12) Failure to get enough passion going
13) Total failure of untried electronic get-out-the-vote procedures
14) Fifty years of growing government dependency, developed with Republican collusion
15) Fifty years of growing acceptance of subversion in the schools, from K through grad school

And people wonder why Romney lost?

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 08:00 PM (sZm4v)

65 You must feel like a real idiot for voting for him, as you clearly dislike the man.

Posted by: Velociman at December 12, 2012 08:00 PM (yy9MQ)

66 @42

What I mean is he gave his concession speech and other than a brief appearance at the white house, nothing not a peep. Ryan too.

It's as if the election was just a bump in the road.


Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 08:01 PM (0fxcV)

67 By the way. What is the value of the 'free' advertizing Obama got from the ENTIRE FUCKING MEDIA ESTABLISHMENT AND CULTURE FELLATING HIM EVERY DAY OF THE FUCKING WEEK FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS? HMMMMMMMM?

I'd say pretty fucking priceless. That's what I'd say.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 12, 2012 08:01 PM (4x8W0)

68 I'm sick of hearing this crap. Nothing is to be gained by it.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 12, 2012 08:01 PM (0Ufr+)

69 Romney has completely disappeared from the public discourse.WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!

He lost the election. He is continuing on with life.

How do you typically judge someone who keeps selling when it is clear the audience isn't buying?

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 08:01 PM (O6q63)

70 Enough already. The ads did or didn't lose the election, but it was lost. What are we learning from all of this? That the GOP sucks, that the candidate sucked, and that the follow-through sucked. Next time, don't suck.


Now move on.

Posted by: tcn at December 12, 2012 08:02 PM (VLG62)

71 And people wonder why Romney lost?

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 08:00 PM (sZm4v)

cuz he wasn't a ham sammich?

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:03 PM (nqBYe)

72 The shitheadedness and parasitism of the genetic throwbacks and utterly worthless crap we have as the American electorate these days reelected Obama and that shit brigade of a Political party he heads.

Posted by: TexasJew at December 12, 2012 08:03 PM (lD8ju)

73 I'm going to call for it again.
Any time we are going against an incumbent. All primaries on the same day someplace in February/March. 3 Months just ain't enough time to get a campaign together against an incumbent.

And for crying out loud. Closed primaries.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 12, 2012 08:03 PM (0q2P7)

74
For a money guy, Mitt never pounded TFG on all the money he's wasted. He also never mentioned that he'd make sure the economy would change for the better for everyone if he was elected.

If this was a pocketbook election, Mitt missed many opportunities. Why not point out that instead of just a little bit of free shit from Uncle Sugar, why not say that if you had a decent job, you could have a lot more stuff?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 12, 2012 08:04 PM (yiIja)

75 **"we tried it their way for 20 years and it doesn't work?" **

Yes, letting obama say this over and over again and failing to defend George W is basically a concession that GOP ideas suck. That capitalism sucks. Why would Romney and company (and Mackerel in 200 make such a concession is beyond me.

That debate 2 question was where he lost the election (well, there were 3 or 4 moments in debate #2 that cost Romney the election).

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 08:04 PM (QxSug)

76 I'm with LGoP it was media.

we have no answer for this, free POSITIVE advertising perpetually


Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:05 PM (nqBYe)

77 Is the movie version of Miami Vice worth watching?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:06 PM (QupBk)

78 >>>The big winners were the GOP consultants.

I agree. Hope they're enjoying their last ride.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:06 PM (RLTt1)

79 I liked it but I'm in minority there.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 12, 2012 08:06 PM (QxSug)

80 Why Romney didn't trot out Larry Sinclair and Zombie Donald Young I'll never know.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 12, 2012 08:07 PM (BVkEs)

81 Wow, is Billy Crystal a closet conservative? He is ripping on lib sacred cows and Nanny Bloomberg.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:07 PM (9ScGj)

82 Un. Fucking. Believable.
Posted by: LGoPs at December 12, 2012 07:58 PM (4x8W0)
Union run public schools. It helps their pocketbook to keep your kids a moron.

Posted by: madamex at December 12, 2012 08:07 PM (1zsKV)

83 @69

But what explains Ryans silence?

He was our front man for telling the hard truths, where the hell is he in all of these talks?

Why is he not out there?

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 08:08 PM (0fxcV)

84 Barak and His lovely wife Michelle have made themselves part of the family experience,
on tv everyday saying I'm awesome and be awesome with me.
not having a job is sad , but yeah Family time!
homelesness can be awesome, vacay! vacay!
eat your peas! to be a good person!

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:08 PM (nqBYe)

85 Is the movie version of Miami Vice worth watching?

If you can get it cheap enough. Nothing memorable stands out in my mind, but I didn't recoil in horror from it either.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:08 PM (MOQU2)

86 >>>Next time, don't suck.

Bwahahahaha

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:08 PM (RLTt1)

87 If only he had followed through with that plan to distribute free rubbers with Mormon pamphlets.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 12, 2012 08:08 PM (mukPq)

88 hides the caps behind my back so alex can't see em.

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:09 PM (nqBYe)

89 People say that they hate negative ads, but they move the needle more than anything else. Romney should have painted Obama as Satan incarnate burning money to fund eating babies. 24/7. On every station.

Posted by: Lauren at December 12, 2012 08:09 PM (wsGWu)

90 Going way OT here but after 5pm, isn't everything kinda an open thread?

I just started watching the new Revolution TV show, have seen about the first 3 episodes. I'm shocked it includes 1) a 2nd amendment argument every episode and 2) a villian who looks an awful lot like Obama. On NBC. Noticed last night it's exec produced by Jon Favreau and isn't he O's chief propagandist?

It just doesn't add up. Does the show take a dive in upcoming episodes? The main character gooey-eyed girl definitely seems like a lefty hero (one must suspend belief not in the apocalypic world, but in the fact that she hasn't gotten herself and everyone near her killed already.)

Posted by: Mayday at December 12, 2012 08:09 PM (F3s39)

91 This is nothing more than Number 2934985038902892 out of lim (n → ∞ reasons Romney lost.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:10 PM (XvHmy)

92 Why is he not out there?

Its pointless. He knows what's coming and knows there's no way to stop it anymore.

It would just be volunteering to be a pinata.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:10 PM (MOQU2)

93 >>>Why is he not out there?

When you lose a major election like that. You lose some of your credibility for a few months.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 12, 2012 08:10 PM (0q2P7)

94 the modern electorate is akin to 8th or 9th graders

...that don't ride the long bus to school kwim

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:10 PM (J6kXj)

95 Romney should have just put a D after his name. Romney (D). See! Everyone's doing it.

Posted by: Bosk (D) at December 12, 2012 08:10 PM (n2K+4)

96


So, just like liberals, conservatives are never wrong when they lose, they just didn't get their message out properly?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (1Y+hH)

97 Mayday, perhaps they desire an American Spring/

Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (nqBYe)

98 Romney is doing the absolute right thing. Why should he be "out there"?!?!?!

If I were him I'd liquidate and emigrate but then again I'm considering that anyway

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (J6kXj)

99 Ow.

Posted by: A Dead Horse at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (j8SqL)

100 Let's try that again...

This is nothing more than Number 2934985038902892 out of lim (n → ∞ ) reasons Romney lost.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (XvHmy)

101
70Enough already. The ads did or didn't lose the election, but it was lost. What are we learning from all of this? That the GOP sucks, that the candidate sucked, and that the follow-through sucked. Next time, don't suck
What do you do if the electorate sucked? The party of ALL the Kennedys and Bill Clinton and Patrick Moran said there was a war on women. Women believed them. The party of Fast Furious told hispanics that the GOP wants to send your mother home. Hispanics believed them. The party of Bull Connor, the KKK, and broken black families, and every imaginable family social pathology tells black people that the GOP "gon' put y'all back in chains." And blacks believed them.
The problem isn't Barack Obama. The problem is an America that would elect the f--ker twice.

Posted by: SamInVA at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (YCvRs)

102 Romney didn't really want to win the general election.

Posted by: boulder hobo at December 12, 2012 08:11 PM (QTHTd)

103
So many real-world examples of TFG's fuckups, so few willing to point them out because, RACISM!!!1!!

Fucking pussies.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 12, 2012 08:12 PM (yiIja)

104 We know it's not the quantity of the ads, numbskull.

I know reading and thinking are not your strong suits, so you probably missed the part of the title of the post that says, "Romney's Ads Sucked And He Didn't Have Many of Them." That along with the numerous allusions in the article to not enough ads being run kind of hinted at a "quantity of ads" angle to the thread. FYI.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 12, 2012 08:12 PM (+lsX1)

105 The problem isn't Barack Obama. The problem is an America that would elect the f--ker twice.

- and the best way to vote against that America is not to vote at all, and L. I. B.

Posted by: boulder hobo, ahead of his time at December 12, 2012 08:12 PM (QTHTd)

106 Also, between Oct. 22 and 29, Obama and his main campaign ally, the Priorities USA Action super PAC, aired more commercials in most of the top media markets despite being outspent by the Romney campaign and its main ally, the Restore Our Future super PAC, by about 30 percent.



How THE FUCK does this happen????

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:12 PM (GEICT)

107 it will be funny when American Blacks realize exactly whom the new "underclass" has been imported to replace . . .

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (J6kXj)

108 I thought Romney was a shoo-in.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (j8SqL)

109 @75

There are so many things you can point to where Romney blew it but I think the 3rd debate where time after time Romney would agree with or concede a point to Obama was where he lost it.

For god sakes when you flat out stipulate that your opponent inherited a bad situation and then concede every fucking point to him in a make or break debate that recipe for disaster.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (0fxcV)

110 Why is he not out there?
I HOPE HE IS GOING FOR BOHNER'S JOB IN JANUARY.

Posted by: madamex at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (1zsKV)

111 Maybe Romney is at home right now, making his plans for the Burning Time.

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (O6q63)

112 The Romney Campaign wasn't getting the super-special Friends of the MSM price for airing and printing ads, duh.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (J6kXj)

113 Yeah Romney spent a shit ton on adds. well he spent a shit ton on GOP consultants who pocketed most of it then hired their friends to finish fucking the pooch. I think conservatives real enemy within the GOP isn't RINOs it's the self serving consultant class who don't care who wins as long as a lot of money is being spent.

Posted by: we are so screwed at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (BjJOB)

114 Well, at least the attention is off of me.

Posted by: John McCain at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (mukPq)

115 But...but I was told that he was the most electable.

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (sdi6R)

116 "That the GOP sucks, that the candidate sucked, and that the follow-through sucked. Next time, don't suck."

You know I'm getting a little tired of this self-flagellation also. The GOP may not be as aggressive or principled as we would like and the current crop of GOP politicians may suck, but that isn't the problem when it comes to winning elections. There was nothing wrong with Romney's message about addressing our economic, fiscal and entitlement problems. The message was clear and right, still the people rejected it. The problem lies with the people and until the people start to reject liberalism things are only going to get worse. In other words, it isn't because conservatism is flawed that people reject it, it's because that we as a people and nation are flawed by liberalism.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:15 PM (GZitp)

117
96So, just like liberals, conservatives are never wrong when they lose, they just didn't get their message out properly?


No, the problem IS the message. People don't want to hear about individual responsibility, and opportunity. They want to hear about "caring" and free shit and soak the rich. Well... five million more do than we have on our side.

Posted by: SamInVA at December 12, 2012 08:15 PM (YCvRs)

118
How THE FUCK does this happen????Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:12 PM (GEICT) __ ____ ____ ____ _ _ __...."For you....special price."

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 12, 2012 08:16 PM (1Y+hH)

119 There are two Jon Favreaus.

One is Obama's, one ain't.

Posted by: zsasz at December 12, 2012 08:16 PM (8Jp6C)

120 I also think we need to realize that "likely voter" no longer means someone who cares about the political process, rather it now encompasses anyone getting food stamps.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:17 PM (J6kXj)

121 How THE FUCK does this happen?

Pricing probably. I have no doubt that Obama got defacto preferred pricing on ad buys.

Place ad at nominal rate, then the media makes sure your PAC gets a donation corresponding to the "discount" they promised. That way it doesn't transparently appear that they're giving you special prices.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:17 PM (MOQU2)

122 >>>This is nothing more than Number 2934985038902892 out of lim (n → ∞ ) reasons Romney lost.

Fkn A Right. Lets cut in B/W videos of Frank Gorshin locked in eternal combat with Lou Antonio while we're at it.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:17 PM (RLTt1)

123 Being in a swing state media market, comparing the number of ads out there pretty much cemented my Eeyorism with this election and the Romney crew.

Heard all summer about the money he'd raised and was saving for an ad blitz once the general started....and yet it never came.

Either they didn't have the money or couldn't figure out what states to run ads in...or both. None of those were a good omen.


Posted by: Coldstream at December 12, 2012 08:18 PM (qrCKL)

124 The question is moot.

Posted by: mayan calendar at December 12, 2012 08:18 PM (QupBk)

125 There was nothing wrong with Romney's message about addressing our
economic, fiscal and entitlement problems. The message was clear and
right, still the people rejected it.


Yep. Romney ran a good campaign (aside from GOTV issues). Bottom line is it's hard to sell austerity when the other guy is selling Christmas. Expecially when the electorate is so heavy with parasitic retards.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2012 08:18 PM (j8SqL)

126 For god sakes when you flat out stipulate that your opponent inherited a bad situation and then concede every fucking point to him in a make or break debate that recipe for disaster.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 08:13 PM (0fxcV)


This is why I was a Newt supporter. If we are going to go down, let's at last go down swinging. Newt would attack and devastated the SCoaMF during the debates.

Perhaps the fire in his belly would have ignited fires in others and motivated them to get out and vote.

Moot point now.

BUT, we have to make sure that who ever get the nod in '16 will fight tooth and nail. Accommodationists must be purged from the field.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:19 PM (XvHmy)

127 ...but he was "electable"!

Hmpf...at least if we had chosen Cain, all the accusations of racism against us would look even dumber.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 08:19 PM (Y5I9o)

128 64- Yep. Good list.
The most important items being 7, 14, and 15.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 12, 2012 08:19 PM (C8mVl)

129 73
I'm going to call for it again.
Any time we are going against an
incumbent. All primaries on the same day someplace in February/March. 3
Months just ain't enough time to get a campaign together against an
incumbent.

And for crying out loud. Closed primaries.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 12, 2012 08:03 PM (0q2P7)

Yeah, because we sure as hell want the "flavor of the day" as the candidate, not someone who is tested over the long haul. With this, we would have gotten Michelle Bachman or Herman Cain as the nominee. While good for the red meat, they may have been able to carry Idaho and Oklahoma if we got lucky.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:19 PM (Zd/NW)

130
Fkn A Right. Lets cut in B/W videos of Frank Gorshin locked in eternal combat with Lou Antonio while we're at it.


Nice Star Trek reference.

Though you could make one with TFG fighting with himself.

Posted by: EC at December 12, 2012 08:20 PM (doBIb)

131 In addition to the discounts, Obama was able to borrow money from banks that were borrowing money from the US government. Of course he had more money to run ads with.

Posted by: dustydog at December 12, 2012 08:20 PM (K550W)

132 There are two Jon Favreaus.



One is Obama's, one ain't.
--

Thanks, didn't know that, solves one mystery. How the show slipped by the rest of NBC is still a head scratcher.

Posted by: Mayday at December 12, 2012 08:20 PM (F3s39)

133 So, the question becomes how can Romney spend MORE money for less ad time systemicly.... unless O's team was getting preferential Ad Rates?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 12, 2012 08:20 PM (lZBBB)

134 Apropos of awesome, the Pacific Rim trailer is out - http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/pacificrim/


C'mon, it's better than fighting about this all over again.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:21 PM (Gk3SS)

135 We will ponder many decisions during the Starving Time.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:21 PM (QupBk)

136 There will be blood.

Posted by: The Mayans at December 12, 2012 08:21 PM (j8SqL)

137 In other words, it isn't because conservatism is flawed that people reject it, it's because that we as a people and nation are flawed by liberalism.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:15 PM (GZitp)

I think it was one of the Founders who said that this form of government was devised for a virtuous people. And without getting into any lectures about morality or anything else, yeah, we definitely are no longer a virtuous people. We - or at least enough of us to become a critical mass - have turned into a petty, envious, vindictively hateful mob that takes joy not in achieving or attaining things but in seeing others who have a little more than them, have it taken away.

Makes me sick. And makes me want to just get away from people.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 12, 2012 08:21 PM (4x8W0)

138 Fkn A Right. Lets cut in B/W videos of Frank Gorshin locked in eternal combat with Lou Antonio while we're at it.
----
Nice Star Trek reference.

Though you could make one with TFG fighting with himself.


I remember this one time Scotty beamed me up during some ion storm and I split into two Kirks. One was all nice, polite and civil. The other was a Democrat.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (mukPq)

139 134 Apropos of awesome, the Pacific Rim trailer is out - http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/pacificrim/


C'mon, it's better than fighting about this all over again.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:21 PM (Gk3SS)




YES!

*runs to watch and revel in geekness*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (GEICT)

140 No, the problem IS the message. People don't want to hear about individual responsibility, and opportunity. They want to hear about "caring" and free shit and soak the rich. Well... five million more do than we have on our side.

Posted by: SamInVA at December 12, 2012 08:15 PM (YCvRs)


THIS x 1000.

Since the end of the cold war, each of the three Presidents who won, won on EMPATHY. Clinton "felt your pain," Bush 43 won with "compassionate" conservatism," and Obama won by exploiting vengeance and sticking it to the man.

We must nominate someone that people feel cares about them. This has nothing to do with hardcore conservatism vs. squishy moderation, but of CONNECTING to people.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (XvHmy)

141 An example of an "Obama is satan ad"

Fucking mention that ending the ",Bush Tax Cuts" means a massive tax increase for the middle class. Holy shit, why was the 50% reduction in the child tax credit never mentioned?

Posted by: Lauren at December 12, 2012 08:23 PM (wsGWu)

142 Romney won in my state of residency. Which is a mailbox on 6 vacant acres 25 miles south of Nashville, Tennessee (for tax purposes).

Posted by: Whatev at December 12, 2012 08:23 PM (2t6Gz)

143 THANK YOU! I was waiting for someone to throw the Newt would have been better meme. I thought so too. I figured we were fucked anyway, but with Newt it would have been fun to watch the mayhem, Obama would be cinged along the way (a little tarnish on the Messiah is a good thing) and who knows, Newt might have just pulled it off. He's not too religious in that Mormon religious sort of way that especially creeps out the agnostics and he's not too conservative in a far right-wing sort of way.

Posted by: jaimo at December 12, 2012 08:23 PM (ulzt7)

144 Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 08:00 PM (sZm4v)

Exactly. Dem's will always have the upper hand for all the reasons you mentioned. That is why GOP needs to be better at messaging and not have operatives who are trying to work their way up through the GOP party ranks or the old veterans of the party running the show.

As for F F. When the Latino plant at the Town Hall / debate in N.Y. brought up Ak-assult rifles, when it was Mitt's turn, he blabbered, then brought up F F when his time was running out and TFG was saying "Candy, Candy" to have her shut Mitt up about F F. He should have began answer jumping right into F F.

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 12, 2012 08:24 PM (lGu1O)

145


Posted by: Mayday at December 12, 2012 08:09 PM (F3s39)

One Jon Favreau is an actor/director, the other is a speechwriter for Obama. The actor/director is also the producer of the Iron Man movie series, and is thought to be a closet conservative/not libtard.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:24 PM (Zd/NW)

146 We must nominate someone that people feel cares about them. This has
nothing to do with hardcore conservatism vs. squishy moderation, but of
CONNECTING to people.


Mister Rogers is dead, isn't he?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2012 08:24 PM (j8SqL)

147 I remember this one time Scotty beamed me up during some ion storm and I
split into two Kirks. One was all nice, polite and civil. The other
was a Democrat.


And Scotty fixed you by making you "hug" yourself!


Fag.

Posted by: EC at December 12, 2012 08:25 PM (doBIb)

148 I think it was one of the Founders who said that this form of government was devised for a virtuous people.

Yes, not for the likes of the reprobate Thomas Jefferson.

Posted by: John Adams at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (O6q63)

149 Mister Rogers is dead, isn't he?

He still votes in Chicago.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (mukPq)

150 How do I look in these meggings?

Posted by: Good Kirk at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (j8SqL)

151 I've about given up on the Federal government anyway. I'm thinking that only aggressive state action for Federalism has a chance. A state needs to take the lead and the hit by rejecting all Federal money and mandates. No highway funds, no medicaid match etc. Fail to enforce any federal laws that the state doesn't like. Don't assist the feds with anything. Etc.

If one state does it, and prospers, others will follow.

Not secession, Federalism.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (QupBk)

152 I still think the best thing we could have done is do those half-hour informational commercials actually teaching people about the basics of economics and why Obama was dangerous. It was a great idea that was posted here, and it underscored how much we must educate the electorate.

Of course, that probably would only work if we got Honey Boo Boo to narrate.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (XvHmy)

153
He was vivious against Republicans in the primary and ran all sorts of ads. It's not that he didn't know how, it's just that he didn't want to do the same against Obama. I don't blame him so much as the RINO pussy advisors he surrounded himself with. But then again, a good manager surrounds himself with good people. He didn't.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2012 08:27 PM (HDgX3)

154 And Scotty fixed you by making you "hug" yourself!


Fag.


Hey, at least they didn't show the part where I smoked a cigarette afterwards and fell asleep.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 12, 2012 08:27 PM (mukPq)

155 That fucking Orwell stepping on my sock. Homo.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (mukPq)

156 We must nominate someone that people feel cares
about them. This has nothing to do with hardcore conservatism vs.
squishy moderation, but of CONNECTING to people.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (XvHmy)

That's why media hated Santorum. Always sticking him at the end, asking fewer questions and less face time. When Santourm was asked questions they were always "war against wom'n" questions. Think media was afraid of him as he came from humble beginnings and has an adorable daughter with sever disabilities.Note: Whoever the left media hates the most - would most likely be the best candidate.

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (lGu1O)

157 151I've about given up on the Federal government anyway. I'm thinking that only aggressive state action for Federalism has a chance. A state needs to take the lead and the hit by rejecting all Federal money and mandates. No highway funds, no medicaid match etc. Fail to enforce any federal laws that the state doesn't like. Don't assist the feds with anything. Etc.

If one state does it, and prospers, others will follow.

Not secession, Federalism.Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:26 PM (QupBk)_______________That would work if somehow that state would also be exempt from paying federal income tax. But there's no way any state will say OK we'll pay federal income tax, but get nothing back from the feds like highway funding.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (HDgX3)

158 YES!



*runs to watch and revel in geekness*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (GEICT)




Seeeeee, I don't exclusively cause you horrific mental scarring. Just mostly.


It better make a ton of money and I damn well better get At The Mountains of Madness next if I'm not getting Hellboy 3, del Toro.




Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (Gk3SS)

159 O/T anyone watching this 12/12/12/ concert?

Posted by: Ombudsman at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (HqXYa)

160 We get it. We lost. Who gives a shit how his ads did?

Posted by: Too late at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (zNrwZ)

161 Re: Pacific Rim trailer.

That's GLaDoS in there! Fuck me, the cake is a lie but the monsters are real!!!

Posted by: EC at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (doBIb)

162 Pink Floyd [/] Roger Waters playing now on the "See, we care!" concert.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (9ScGj)

163 In the 23rd century we don't call them "meggings." We call them "Sulu's Happy Fun Trousers."

Posted by: Lt. Hikaru Sulu at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (mukPq)

164 They'd have been better off if they got the Dollar Shave Club guys and whoever does the new ads for Little Caesars to do their campaign commercials.

Little Caesar's example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URPBSwW4_a4

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (aozUR)

165 The Democrats have succeeded in replacing Pursuit of Happiness with Pursuit of Vindictiveness.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (4x8W0)

166 Anyone who gives money to this concert bullshit is as idiotic as someone who buys a UAW made car/truck.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (HDgX3)

167 But there's no way any state will say OK we'll pay federal income tax, but get nothing back from the feds like highway funding.

The money will run out anyway. It needs to be a state in good financial condition, with resources of it's own. I've been nominating Texas but mostly because of my ignorance of the situation in other states.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (QupBk)

168 It better make a ton of money and I damn well better get At The Mountains of Madness next if I'm not getting Hellboy 3, del Toro.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:28 PM (Gk3SS)



I never saw Hellboy 2. Worth a shit? Golden Army or something like that, right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (GEICT)

169 Pink Floyd [/] Roger Waters playing now on the "See, we care!" concert.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:29 PM (9ScGj)
Amen. And I never got Pink Floyd.

Posted by: Ombudsman at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (HqXYa)

170 That Republican "beddwetters" were begging Romney to run a better campaign should tell you something. I hate him again. When he was the nominee, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But that keeping the good parts of Obamacare was a big blaring wake up call. That was beginning to mid-September, and I knew it was over.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 12, 2012 08:31 PM (i0vBR)

171 One Jon Favreau is an actor/director, the other is a
speechwriter for Obama. The actor/director is also the producer of the
Iron Man movie series, and is thought to be a closet conservative/not
libtard.


Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:24 PM (Zd/NW)
--Oh, I always thought the actor was recruited to serve O (a la Kal Penn), so thanks for clarification.
I have a visceral dislike for anyone I perceive as supporting O, which included the actor Jon Favreau. I'll have to find something of his to watch to make up for it. Moving him from Naughty to Nice list now...

Posted by: Mayday at December 12, 2012 08:31 PM (F3s39)

172 Doh...take two... Pink Floyd Roger Waters playing now on the "See, we care!" concert.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:31 PM (9ScGj)

173 We get it. We lost. Who gives a shit how his ads did?

Time for a pro hockey thread.

Posted by: Moron what played hockey without a helmet at December 12, 2012 08:31 PM (O6q63)

174 I never saw Hellboy 2. Worth a shit? Golden Army or something like that, right?

Yes. Presuming you liked Hellboy. It's more of the same.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:32 PM (QupBk)

175 A thought experiment. Suppose we draft Newt as Speaker of the House to go toe-to-toe with Obama?

It seems there's no constitutional requirement that the speaker actually be a member of congress.

Its never been done before, but seriously, who gives a shit at this point?

If we're gonna get all Thelma and Louise'y, I want the radio blasting the Ramones, not funeral dirges as we sail off into the collapse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:32 PM (MOQU2)

176 168 Not as good as the first one.Not terrible.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (9XBK2)

177 Man, the David Gilmour understudy sucks ass.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (9ScGj)

178 174 Yes. Presuming you liked Hellboy. It's more of the same.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:32 PM (QupBk)



It was good enough. Not earth shattering or anything, but worth watching.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (GEICT)

179 Bearded Spock for Speaker of the House.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (mukPq)

180
An example of an "Obama is satan ad"

Here's another one: "On (X-date), President Obama signed (X, whatever the number or name of whatever it was he signed) increasing the federal tax on cigarettes by $1 per pack.

Wonder where your money is going? Obama is cutting your take home pay every chance he gets."

Rinse, repeat. Find an example, make another commercial. Come to think of it, why wait for the next election? Someone could start this attack right now against all Dims.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (yiIja)

181 I loved both Hellboys

hey didn't they make In the Mountains of Madness already? Am I thinking of something else? I loved the film I am remembering

btw Netflix horror film "Intruders" was surprisingly very good, fyi

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (J6kXj)

182 I never saw Hellboy 2. Worth a shit? Golden Army or something like that, right?

I watched most of it. I'd do it again.

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 08:33 PM (O6q63)

183 121
How THE FUCK does this happen?

Pricing probably. I have no doubt that Obama got defacto preferred pricing on ad buys.

Place
ad at nominal rate, then the media makes sure your PAC gets a donation
corresponding to the "discount" they promised. That way it doesn't
transparently appear that they're giving you special prices.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:17 PM (MOQU2)

133
So, the question becomes how can Romney spend MORE money for less ad
time systemicly.... unless O's team was getting preferential Ad Rates?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 12, 2012 08:20 PM (lZBBB)

There is no way that Obama got any freebies, none. All information regarding political ad buys is in the station's "Public File". Anyone can view the file, and if there are any shenanigans with it, the station can lose their license. And no owner is going to put his/her license in jeopardy. No matter how much they love Obama, losing a station valued at 5-100 million dollars just ain't worth it.
Obama was able to get more ads at a cheaper price by buying a "ROS" ad buy. That is an ad buy that is "best time available". Romney bought ads at specific times. A ROS ad may be $300 per spot, while a specific time may be $1000. This means that if Romney bought ad time to run specifically during Sunday Night Football, and there was an avail during SNF, Obama would get that spot, but he would end up paying the $300 instead of the $1000 that Romney paid.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:34 PM (Zd/NW)

184 I never saw Hellboy 2. Worth a shit? Golden Army or something like that, right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:30 PM (GEICT)



Yes, but it's del Toro. The visuals are amazing and the plot is, you know, peyote based.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:34 PM (Gk3SS)

185 Anybody with a mini-review of Safety Not Guaranteed (2012)?

"Three magazine employees head out on an assignment to interview a guy who placed a classified ad seeking a companion for time travel. "

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:34 PM (QupBk)

186 Personally I'm holding out for a hentai version of The Dunwich Horror.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at December 12, 2012 08:35 PM (mukPq)

187 "We must nominate someone that people feel cares
about them. This has nothing to do with hardcore conservatism vs.
squishy moderation, but of CONNECTING to people.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 12, 2012 08:22 PM (XvHmy)"
Bullshit. I could see leading up to the election, based on conservative excitement/activism and polling that we may have had one last shot, but this freak'n denial afterwords is getting nuts. We got our ass kicked and it wasn't because of the candidate. Every conservative blog run post after post on how liberalism is destroying our culture, government and the nation as a whole. We rant and rave and ridicule but the majority of the nation doesn't, it seem normal and rational to them. Don't ever wonder why that is?
Looking back we shouldn't be wondering why we lost, we should be amazed at how close we actually got, which wasn't very.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:35 PM (GZitp)

188 Yeah, because we sure as hell want the "flavor of the day" as the
candidate, not someone who is tested over the long haul. With this, we
would have gotten Michelle Bachman or Herman Cain as the nominee. While
good for the red meat, they may have been able to carry Idaho and
Oklahoma if we got lucky.


Or they might have won because they weren't colossal dupes who thought they had it in the bag. Herm Cain may have done better with minorities and Michelle Bachmann could have appealed more to women.

It's impossible to know. All we know is that selecting Romney resulted in a loss, and that Mitt's major selling points - organization, money, and independent appeal - weren't real.

And we also know that the last four out of the last five GOP candidates were Rockefeller Republicans. These are the same four who have lost.

So we can keep on banging our head on the wall with the same strategy of moderate Republicans who engage in civil campaigns (and get massacred), or we can try something different.

We've got nothing to lose at this point.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 08:36 PM (uhAkr)

189 Capt. Christopher Pike as head GOP fiscal cliff negotiator.

One beep = yes

Two beeps = go fuck yourself, Jugears.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2012 08:36 PM (j8SqL)

190 I read that Romney had to pay higher rates to insure the ads actually ran. Obama could buy "options" to have his ads run if nothing better came up. IIRC.

If you are a GOP candidate you would have to be worried that your ads would be "cancelled" a lot.

Also, the consultants get a commission on the ads sales, at least Glenn Reynolds says that. He keeps saying to not allow that practice.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 08:36 PM (dZQh7)

191 End of Watch (2012) looks like a decent shootemup.

"Two young officers are marked for death after confiscating a small cache of money and firearms from the members of a notorious cartel, during a routine traffic stop. "

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:37 PM (QupBk)

192 Yes, but it's del Toro. The visuals are amazing and the plot is, you know, peyote based.



C'mon Florida, get in line with Colorado.


Although, the one time in college that I watched a movie while baked, it DID NOT GO WELL.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:37 PM (GEICT)

193 Come to think of it, why wait for the next election? Someone could start this attack right now against all Dims.
--

Exactly right. Not only for the good of the country, but the GOP is is huge need of an image turnaround so they have a self-interest reason for doing it.

I don't think I've ever voted for a Dem. Never considered myself a GOPer, but still voted GOP all the way. I am completely disgusted with them now and don't think I'm the only one. That party is on its way out unless they wake the fuck up.

Posted by: Mayday at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (F3s39)

194 What happened to Townsend/Daltrey's "I hope I die before I get old?"

Posted by: Ombudsman at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (HqXYa)

195 It's highly likely that Romney's team was--compromised.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 07:44 PM (r2PLg)


I firmly believe that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (Di8OE)

196 Stupid. Party.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (bxiXv)

197 Obama was able to get more ads at a cheaper price by buying a "ROS" ad buy.

And that best time available just happened to occur, purely coincidentally, not planned at all mind you, precisely at the times the Obama team "suggested", not ordered, or bought specifically mind you, they might like to see.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (MOQU2)

198 189 Capt. Christopher Pike as head GOP fiscal cliff negotiator.

One beep = yes

Two beeps = go fuck yourself, Jugears.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 12, 2012 08:36 PM (j8SqL)


And the result would sound like Dubstep.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:38 PM (bxiXv)

199 Although, the one time in college that I watched a movie while baked, it DID NOT GO WELL.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:37 PM (GEICT)




You're among friends here. You can be honest. It was the Care Bears Movie, wasn't it?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:39 PM (Gk3SS)

200 Also, the consultants get a commission on the ads sales, at least Glenn Reynolds says that.

incentiveize pricier ads, and you'll get more of them

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (MOQU2)

201 I watched The French Connection II on fungus.

Mistake.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (QupBk)

202 199 You're among friends here. You can be honest. It was the Care Bears Movie, wasn't it?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:39 PM (Gk3SS)



Lmao.


No, Final Destination. Not. Cool.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (GEICT)

203 I'm not going to apologize for any deficiencies in Romney's campaign but he presented this country with a clear choice.
He kicked The One's ass in their first debate.
He selected a real economic conservative as his running mate.

This country made a choice between more free stuff and less free stuff.
America is responsible for what happened.

Posted by: rayj at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (pI/IV)

204 "There is no way that Obama got any freebies, none. All information
regarding political ad buys is in the station's "Public File". Anyone
can view the file, and if there are any shenanigans with it, the station
can lose their license."

You're living in America 1956. There is no rule of law when it comes to the federal government. They don't even pretend to use law and The Constitution as a guideline anymore. Like the FCC is going to pull someones "license" because of preferential rates.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (GZitp)

205 >>> That party is on its way out unless they wake the fuck up.

Got a spoiler for you: We are the last generation of the GOP. Party leadership has never expounded on their values since Reagan, relying instead on us. And they hate us, apparently.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (RLTt1)

206 Se the ads for this series Davinci's Demons?I'm guessing it's Dan Brown shit,"history is a lie".Indeed,lefty revisionism is a lie.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (9XBK2)

207 Electability, bitches!

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (x8U/s)

208 I watched The French Connection II on fungus.

Must be hell cleaning out the DVD player after that.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (MOQU2)

209 You guys are over-analyzing this.....if you want to know why Romney lost, just pick up the phone or walk outside and attempt to have a rational debate with ANY dem voter.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:42 PM (9ScGj)

210 Here in the swing state of Iowa, we especially noticed the absolute monopoly that Obama had on streaming media, such as NetFlix & Hulu. The guys would go entire evenings with unanswered Obama ads once or twice an hour until they'd be chanting "Get Real, Mitt!" right along with the ad. It was a classic branding campaign. It worked. They did kill Romney. And he let them.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 08:42 PM (MbXOQ)

211 You're among friends here. You can be honest. It was the Care Bears Movie, wasn't it?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:39 PM (Gk3SS)


Care a lot! We care a lot! *Clap clap* *Clap clap*

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 08:43 PM (GULKT)

212 just pick up the phone or walk outside and attempt to have a rational debate with ANY dem voter. /i]

True, but a good campaign, by the party, even before the candidate was chosen, would have at least depressed turnout on that side by reenforcing just how badly Obama and Democrats have been governing. We wouldn't have gotten their votes, but neither would the Democrats.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:44 PM (QupBk)

213 You guys are over-analyzing this.....if you want to know why Romney lost, just pick up the phone or walk outside and attempt to have a rational debate with ANY dem voter.
Posted by: Icedog


Winner!

Posted by: Daybrother at December 12, 2012 08:44 PM (+paCV)

214 barrel.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:44 PM (QupBk)

215 This country made a choice between more free stuff and less free stuff.America is responsible for what happened."

Which is why we should have campaigned on "Obama's middle class tax hikes"

Posted by: Lauren at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (wsGWu)

216
How's about if the GOP as a party do this:

(a) Fire people who fail, and,

(b) Promote people who succeed.

Something of a radical suggestion, I know. But the current Republican model of "Keep proven failures on the job" doesn't seem to be working out for the best.

I felt a sick sensation in my gut when I realized that Romney was hiring McSame retreads from '08 for his campaign this year. Presaging the even worse sick sensation of Election Eve.

A system under which people who work on losing campaigns are driven weeping into outer darkness, never to return, might not have ensured victory, but it would at least have made that sensation less acute.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (ymG7s)

217 There is no way that Obama got any freebies, none.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:34 PM (Zd/NW)


Dude, about 80% of the election *COVERAGE* was an Obama Freebie.

The MFM donates several billion dollars in off-the-books contributions to Democrats *every year*.

It's like living in a country run by the fucking mafia.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (bxiXv)

218 199 You're among friends here. You can be honest. It was the Care Bears Movie, wasn't it?



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 08:39 PM (Gk3SS)





Lmao.





No, Final Destination. Not. Cool.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (GEICT)

I can attest to the fact that the 1980s GI Joe animated movie was pretty awesome while drunk.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (aozUR)

219 All these comments and you morons still miss the reason Romney lost - George W. Bush.

Exit polls still show the stench of Bush is strong.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 12, 2012 08:46 PM (BKT6o)

220 Obama's turnout WAS depressed.Our turnout was depressed worse.Blame the Romney votes who stayed home.Frankly,I thought he did plenty to get elected.This election opened my eyes to the fact that the US has become Europe.We don't want adults in charge anymore,they are mean.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:46 PM (9XBK2)

221 "207
Electability, bitches!


Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (x8U/s)"
So now you weren't for winning an election? It was all the principle of the thing for you? That's why you were backing Newt?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:46 PM (GZitp)

222 It worked. They did kill Romney. And he let them.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 08:42 PM (MbXOQ)

Mitt thought all he had to say was, "Jobs! Gas Prices!"
He should have run ads on Fast Furious, Walpin (remember that??), The GROUND ZERO MOSQUE. And people can say that Americans should know about this stuff, but they don't.

But instead, he was mister fucking civility. We lost because Mitt didn't want to call Obama out as a purely evil fucktard.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 08:47 PM (uhAkr)

223 217 It's like We're living in a country run by the fucking mafia.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (bxiXv)




There ya go.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:47 PM (GEICT)

224 incentiveize pricier ads, and you'll get more of them


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:40 PM (MOQU2)

They get a commission. If he schedules 400K ads at $50 million, he gets x commission. If he schedules 600K ads at $50 million, he gets x commission. It's based on the total dollars, not the number of ads.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:48 PM (Zd/NW)

225 IOW, it wasn't how many ads he ran, but where he didn't run them. The Romney campaign never heard of XBox live, or NetFlix streaming? Sound like they spent their dollars primarily on the broadcast/cable networks. Not smart.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 08:48 PM (MbXOQ)

226 Let It Burn!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 08:48 PM (uis79)

227 "That's why media hated Santorum. Always sticking him at the end, asking fewer questions and less face time. When Santourm was asked questions they were always "war against wom'n" questions. Think media was afraid of him as he came from humble beginnings and has an adorable daughter with sever disabilities.Note: Whoever the left media hates the most - would most likely be the best candidate."

NO NO NO and NO. Santorum got less air time, because nobody liked him. He got asked so con Qs cuz that was his Schtick. Terri Schiavo, homosexuality is like bestiality, etc. Google problems. He might have had a Horatio Alger tale to tell, but he flew around in Walmart's private jet before he was run out if office in PA. Dems and the media is redundant, but fight the Dens. Don't let the media psych you out.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 12, 2012 08:48 PM (i0vBR)

228 Exit polls still show the stench of Bush is strong.

Gabby Hymenhopper is right, but then it just reinforces our comments above. When the MFM is able to portray the economy under the Republicans as a failure @ 5% UE, while simultaneously showing the economy under Democrats @ 10% as growing, it's a problem that has to be addressed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:49 PM (QupBk)

229
You guys are over-analyzing this.....if you want to know why Romney lost, just pick up the phone or walk outside and attempt to have a rational debate with ANY dem voter.

Yup. Critical thinking and objective assessment aren't exactly their strong points.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 12, 2012 08:49 PM (yiIja)

230 I really don't want to hear about it. I was told these people had their shit under control. I am a burn it down kick ass kind of guy. My complaints were dismissed.

We don't want to offend the womyns and undecided.

What I gave these assholes I could have bought me a new BMW.

NOT Happy. A 750il if you are axing.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 12, 2012 08:49 PM (wR+pz)

231 Romney wasnt perfect and his campaign wasnt perfect, but he ran it pretty well overall. He didnt say anything stupid and he presented himself as a respectable, calm alternative to the childish obama. If romney would have won, we would be praising him right now for his methodical approach.

He had the 24/7 media, entertainment and education systems all running against him nonstop. He also missed out on millions of black votes because he is a white republican.

He had an uphill battle.

The problem is not the candidate, it is the electorate. We cant combat an entire, entrenched system of communist propaganda with a 3 month campaign.

We have to start winning over the people now, while it counts. Unfortunately, republican politicians are too cowardly to even rock the boat just a little bit on the offchance that it loses them a few votes.

Its up to the people, you and me. We have to defend conservative ideals and do our part in local and state elections. We have to send good people to washington. We have to talk to our neighbors. Take back education and the arts.

Nobody in charge is going to do a damn thing. Its on us.

The inner city welfare queens... well... they are still outnumbered. For now. Lets turn this boat around while its still afloat.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 12, 2012 08:49 PM (t5sVh)

232 Drew M.

Starring in--

Looking for Mr. Cosell in All the Wrong Places

--but dumping on us anyway.

Posted by: tasker at December 12, 2012 08:49 PM (r2PLg)

233 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:46 PM (GZitp)

No, I was in favor of a flawed candidate who could actually articulate a positive conservative agenda. Instead we got a flawed candidate who...wasted a shit load of money.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:51 PM (x8U/s)

234 Another ad.

Show a graphic with married couple making 55K's '12 tax return on the left,,and '13 tax bill on the right.

Rinse and repeat with some hipster single making 35k

Posted by: Lauren at December 12, 2012 08:52 PM (wsGWu)

235
I just don't buy the idea that the election would have went the other way if only Romney had dangled better carrots in front of the voters.
The country is addicted to deficit spending.
The country knows what they want and what they didn't want was somebody telling them that they couldn't have it anymore.

Posted by: rayj at December 12, 2012 08:52 PM (pI/IV)

236 Anyway,I refuse to recriminate and fight my own side.Hindsight is always 20/20 and the right's urge to form a circular firing squad is strong.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:52 PM (9XBK2)

237 No, I was in favor of a flawed candidate who could actually articulate a positive conservative agenda and take us to the moon! Instead we got a flawed candidate who...wasted a shit load of money.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (GEICT)

238 Be sure to include the phrase "Obama tax hike"

Posted by: Lauren at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (wsGWu)

239 Obama caricatured Romney as a eeevil rich guy. He needed to run character ads. Kinda stuff they showed on the second day of the convention. Maybe draw a contrast w/President Talk Show's (non)record of charitable endeavors.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (MbXOQ)

240 Why are we talking about the election?

Hillary is the next President, and Free Market Capitalism will be dead by then......So electing a Republican accomplishes what exactly?....besides Republicans taking more of the blame.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (uis79)

241 Hindsight is always 20/20 and the right's urge to form a circular firing squad is strong.

True, but analysis has to proceed planning.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (QupBk)

242 236 Anyway,I refuse to recriminate and fight my own side.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:52 PM (9XBK2)


You can't possibly be a Republican.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:53 PM (bxiXv)

243 Well, one of Newt's moon bases seems like a better investment now than Project ORCA.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 08:54 PM (uhAkr)

244 Newt Gingrich was not and is not the rock ribbed conservative people make him out to be.He also has a wives problem and a tendency to say stupid shit but whatever.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:54 PM (9XBK2)

245 Regarding the phony "we are celebrities and we care about people" concert tonight, I just can't work up any enthusiasm for caring.

Sorry but I've seen too many of these big celebutard events and it's nothing but celebs using somebody else's suffering to make the celebrity more famous.

I'm also not in a very charitable mood towards the people who voted for Barky for another term, and that fat zepplin loudmouth of a gov who hosted Barky the day after the big one.

I'm very sorry for the people who didn't understand that they were making the choice to die by not getting out when they were told to get out.

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 08:54 PM (neKzn)

246 >>>Exit polls still show the stench of Bush is strong.

Sadly, I agree. The GOP hasn't got any brand, so the voter's have to base decisions on the last GOP Pres/candidate.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:54 PM (RLTt1)

247 And part of the planning is to recognize that the Republican party is a poor vessel for Conservatism. Unfortunately, I don't see a better one at the national level.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:55 PM (QupBk)

248 "No, I was in favor of a flawed candidate who could actually articulate a positive conservative agenda."

Newt Gingrich right? The let's spend money on computers and infrastructure, along with a moon station or two Newt? The let's institute draft boards to see what illegals stay and go Newt?
Yeah that Newt could really articulate the conservative agenda.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:56 PM (GZitp)

249 226 - are you the only one who gives a shit about rules around here? Mark it zero!

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 08:56 PM (RLTt1)

250 247 Indeed,we have been unable to truly control the party.And it can only get worse.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:56 PM (9XBK2)

251 Hindsight is always 20/20 and the right's urge to form a circular firing squad is strong.
Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:52 PM (9XBK2)


Except it isn't all hindsight. A lot of people laid out the case against Romney before hand and were told, "no, he's the only electable one". Turns out...not so much.

So we can't just wish it away by saying, "well, no way to have seen this coming". Yes, yes there was.

We need to realize how badly fucked up this election was and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (x8U/s)

252 It seems like Del Toro copied the sound of the Reapers for Mass Effect for that trailer.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (GULKT)

253 You're living in America 1956. There is no rule of
law when it comes to the federal government. They don't even pretend to
use law and The Constitution as a guideline anymore. Like the FCC is
going to pull someones "license" because of preferential rates.


Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:41 PM (GZitp)

Wow, thanks for the compliment? I guess the 20 years that I spent in radio don't mean anything. You seem to be confusing NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX with LOCAL tv and radio stations. Those local owners don't give a shit about Obama, and would not risk their whole investment to give Obama a discount on some ads.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (Zd/NW)

254 You wanna a Toe...I can get you a Toe by 3:00

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 08:58 PM (uis79)

255 A bigger mystery than Romney's loss is why in the hell is Kristen Stewart a famous actress? ....I honestly couldn't tell if she was trying to express sympathy for all the flooded yankees or laughing at them. The giant chocolate bar in 2001 showed more acting range and ability.

Posted by: Icedog at December 12, 2012 08:58 PM (9ScGj)

256 Ultimately,I believe that in the current culture people rather be popular than right.Being conservative is not popular.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 08:58 PM (9XBK2)

257
'His ads were horrible, too, but you can't quantify that."

so why are you just now saying that?? i go back thru the archives and the posts about romney ads by drewm, ace and gabriel never say anything about them being bad. only one post offered any criticisms and that was to just say a line needed to be added.

Posted by: chas at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (Dpiaa)

258 If he schedules 400K ads at $50 million, he gets x commission. If he schedules 600K ads at $50 million, he gets x commission.

Excellent class! Now solve for which option above requires the least amount of work required to collect "x" in commissions.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (MOQU2)

259 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 08:56 PM (GZitp)

Ok, so we'll just listen to the same people who ignored every bit of criticism of Romney even though it came to pass.

I'm sure if we just let them keep picking candidates they'll get it right...eventually.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (x8U/s)

260 Creating a new Conservative party will take too long so the nation is probably boned no matter what. At least a generation will grow up not knowing what it was to have the sky as the limit for achievement. Probably two, maybe a hundred. The nation will continue, after a fashion, but capitalism will continue to take it in the shorts for awhile.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (QupBk)

261 We live in a society where Paris Hilton Kim Kardashian launched themselves to "celebrity status" via sex tapes.

We've got an electorate that actually believes the US Tax Code would provide companies with "tax breaks" for moving jobs overseas.

We had a candidate who is a family man happily married to the same woman
for 40 years without a hint of scandal in his private life and the
Dems/MSM called him a murderer, felon and tax cheat.

(And it's amazing to me that I'm not being hyperbolic when I write that ^^).

And people want to pretend it was Romney himself or the ads or ORCA.

Fine -- whatever helps you sleep at night.

Posted by: angienc at December 12, 2012 09:00 PM (w3JGl)

262
Dude, about 80% of the election *COVERAGE* was an Obama Freebie.



The MFM donates several billion dollars in off-the-books contributions to Democrats *every year*.



It's like living in a country run by the fucking mafia.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 08:45 PM (bxiXv)

We are talking ads, not media coverage. And yes, Obama got his dicked sucked more than, well, Bill Clinton. Hell, he had his dick sucked more than Hilary had hers sucked.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 09:00 PM (Zd/NW)

263 It seems like Del Toro copied the sound of the Reapers for Mass Effect for that trailer.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (GULKT)



Holy crap, I do believe you are correct.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 09:00 PM (Gk3SS)

264 The Republican brand has been damaged, possibly permanently.

And it started with George W. Bush and that idiot Karl Rove.

Calling Bush a "compassionate conservative" began the poisoning of the brand. That automatically makes every other republican and conservative "non-compassionate" and "evil".

Bush Rove allowed 8 years to go by with nastier and more vicious attacks going unanswered. It's not that Bush was so bad, but he never stood up for himself. That team thought the voters were smarter, and would never fall for all the hype of hate.

Well, Rove Bush and all the rest of the Republican establishment were and still are wrong.

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 09:01 PM (neKzn)

265 We need to realize how badly fucked up this election was and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again.




Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (x8U/s)

We won't. The next Republican candidate will be a moderate from a blue-blood Republican family. The know-it-all set will stress a civil campaign.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:01 PM (uhAkr)

266 >>>Creating a new Conservative party will take too long so the nation is probably boned no matter what


You're right. Not the hill to die on.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 09:02 PM (RLTt1)

267 We've gone the way of Europe and the UK.Our message wont sell anymore.The people want socialism,without paying for it,but they want socialism.I expect the R's to become like the Tories in the UK and the conservatives in Europe.It's the self destructive impulse of humanity.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:02 PM (9XBK2)

268 225
IOW, it wasn't how many ads he ran, but where he didn't run them.
The Romney campaign never heard of XBox live, or NetFlix streaming?
Sound like they spent their dollars primarily on the broadcast/cable
networks. Not smart.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 08:48 PM (MbXOQ)

Actually, Romney spent too much on broadcast and not enough on cable. We usually only watch cable channels, and saw very few Romney, and tons of Obama.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 09:02 PM (Zd/NW)

269 Well when our side said, he 'just out of his depth,' except for Clint, and the other side, called us a tax evading, cancer giving, pro life fanatic, you have a certain imbalance here,

Posted by: phillip fry at December 12, 2012 09:03 PM (ctjsq)

270 "We need to realize how badly fucked up this election was and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again."

But you are all clairvoyant and shit and just know that Newt would have walked away with this. And that's your basis for "I told you so"?






Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:04 PM (GZitp)

271 264 Yes,he shifted the party leftward.In effect he admitted conservatives are mean.He admitted capitalism was bad.GW and his dad were gifts to the left that keep on giving.And we defended him because he was treated unfairly over the one thing he was getting sort of right.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:04 PM (9XBK2)

272
263 It seems like Del Toro copied the sound of the Reapers for Mass Effect for that trailer. Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (GULKT)Holy crap, I do believe you are correct.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 09:00 PM (Gk3SS)


And that is one of the best sounds in those games.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 09:05 PM (GULKT)

273 @267

I actually believe that the U.S. will get much worse than Europe, and when Americans feel and understand the coming Pain, and when there are No Republicans around to blame....the very same people that ushered this crap in....will demand it goes back to the way it was.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:06 PM (uis79)

274 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:04 PM (GZitp)

What we do know for sure is that basically every flaw people said would be fatal to Romney was.

I'm not entirely clear why people who said, "no, you're wrong that won't be a problem" get a pass for that kind of massive fuck up. I guess we're all liberals now and it's not results that count but people's intentions.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:06 PM (x8U/s)

275 Only the burned hand will teach. LiFB. Short of Lords of the Wasteland, I'm probably good even with a permanent depression. My kids are smart enough to get by, and I don't really think we have external enemies strong enough to fuck us up, but things will be shitty for most people.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:06 PM (QupBk)

276 273 And I will laugh and laugh and laugh.Yes,even as I suffer there will be pleasure in it.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:07 PM (9XBK2)

277 Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (QupBk)

Uh..... Whigs morphed into the Republican party within an election cycle.... with 1850's Technology....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 12, 2012 09:08 PM (lZBBB)

278 Yeah, but you know what is else is horrible? Obama.

Posted by: dogfish at December 12, 2012 09:08 PM (N2yhW)

279
Excellent class! Now solve for which option above requires the least amount of work required to collect "x" in commissions.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 08:59 PM (MOQU2)

The ad buyers let the stations place the ads and do the hard work. The ad buyers just bitch about the cost, send the ads late, then bitch when you don't run their ad that you still haven't received from them.

Oh, and when they send you the ad, they will have a "country ad" for a top40 station, and an "urban ad" for a country station. They really are idiots.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 09:08 PM (Zd/NW)

280 It seems like Del Toro copied the sound of the Reapers for Mass Effect for that trailer.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 08:57 PM (GULKT)


The "orchestral buzz boom" predates mass effect, but yeah, it was an iconic usage.

I think it's been in several movie trailers lately, Del Toro may have copied it from Prometheus (though it was tonally different). I thought of it and the Planescape trailer when I saw the Prometheus trailer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 09:08 PM (bxiXv)

281 And that is one of the best sounds in those games.

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 09:05 PM (GULKT)



I'm impressed that they actually show the damn monster in the trailer.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (Gk3SS)

282 Oh for god's sake, you guys are a bunch of crybabies.

The USA will be just fine, and you'll some day enjoy the benefits of healthcare reform. You lost a fucking election. Chin up, pussies. The let it burn nonsense is sad and pathetic.

A bunch of gullible rubes is what you are. You didn't believe the polls in September, and now you think the sky is falling.

Laughable.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (jKeMG)

283 71 And people wonder why Romney lost?

Posted by: buzzsawmonkey at December 12, 2012 08:00 PM (sZm4v)

cuz he wasn't a ham sammich?
Posted by: ette at December 12, 2012 08:03 PM (nqBYe)

Thank you. Next time, let's run a politician who has won an upset, not a war hero in a safe district or a businessman.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (i0vBR)

284 @258

Oooooh, oooooooh I know I know, pick me!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (0fxcV)

285 I do need to get an intervention for my ammo problem though. Whenever I despair, I order more. Mrs928 is starting to make noises about it. I keep telling her it's future trade goods.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (QupBk)

286 "And people want to pretend it was Romney himself or the ads or ORCA.

Fine -- whatever helps you sleep at night."


I'm wondering where these people live. I live in a fairly rural area and liberalism is infested in every aspect of life here. From local government to culture, a supposedly red political area. I don't know how people that live in major urban areas still think these election results are because of poorly run campaign or a milktoast candidate.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (GZitp)

287 271 - I still find myself defending Bush if I'm in a conversation with someone who's bashing him. The problem was that he wouldn't defend himself, and 8 years of non-stop hate is alot to overcome for the republican brand.

Kids of 18, who voted for the first time this year, they have been hearing about the evil republican brand since 2000. That's twelve years, those kids were six years old when the full-on hate attack began on republicans. No wonder America's youth thinks we are all evil, that's all they've heard since they were six years old!!

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (neKzn)

288 I actually believe that the U.S. will get much worse
than Europe, and when Americans feel and understand the coming Pain,
and when there are No Republicans around to blame....the very same
people that ushered this crap in....will demand it goes back to the way
it was.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:06 PM (uis79)


If there is a Collapse, our future is a dictator, not Jeffersonian Democracy. As things become rarer, people become more willing to eat the rich.
At no point in history has a Revolution due to economic disaster resulted in rule by the Middle Class.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (uhAkr)

289 Laughable.

Have you yet considered your share of the debt, dunce? Or is long division beyond your ken?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (QupBk)

290 Jon is "New" here...Let's all welcome him to the Family.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (uis79)

291 @288

Its kinda hard to have a Dictator when all the citizens are armed!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:12 PM (uis79)

292 Fuck it all. Let it burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 12, 2012 09:12 PM (ZETiK)

293 286 Yep,first and foremost people take it to heart that the government has to do things for them.The States are addicted to money from Washington,that's it,Federalism is dead.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:12 PM (9XBK2)

294 Stupid Low Turnout SOCONS!!!!!!!

(sniff)

Posted by: sobbing MIttens at December 12, 2012 09:13 PM (EZl54)

295 You got sucked in to a wingnut cocoon, and believed all the polls were skewed. Romney was gonna win in a landslide! I read that here many times.

Sky is falling! Sky is falling! Let the USA burn because the fucking GOP lost a presidential election and tax rates might increase a tiny bit!

Pussies. Stock pile ammo and dried beans You're irrelevant, frightened pussies with no faith in the USA.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:13 PM (jKeMG)

296 You can talk about ads all day, but at the end of the day it was damaging info withheld like Benghazi, and F+F, and his policies that serve to crush the middle class he pretended to support, that saved SCOAMF's ass.

That's without even touching on a criminal lack of curiosity about his grades and Marxist background.

The comment that suggested a war against the MFM is Right on target.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 12, 2012 09:14 PM (aZ6ew)

297 Jon are you proud to live in a country that chose Obama as its leader?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (uis79)

298 Does the troll have an AxelTurfer credit card? Why is he here now that the election is over and the money's gone?

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (neKzn)

299 Posted by: angienc at December 12, 2012 09:00 PM (w3JGl)


Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:10 PM (GZitp)

Well, you guys have convinced me. Let's not try anything different. Let's all scream 'despair' and piss ourselves. After the Collapse (we think will happen instead of a Post-Soviet funk) we'll surely have a Jeffersonian Democracy (and not a dictator like every other time in history it has happened).

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (uhAkr)

300
I know, it's time
to raise the hand that draws the line,
and be so wonderful...

iCarly theme song lyrics

I'd like Boehner to listen to more girl empowerment song lyrics until he can grow a pair of balls.

And then when it comes to keeping the debt limit at it's current level, defunding entire government agencies, holding all welfare payments hostage each month until the Democrats are forced to cave, the Republicans can watch '300' every morning.

The debt limit was the hill to die on last time when the debt was $2 Trillion less but everyone wanted to wait for the election. More than ever, that's the hill to die on or just accelerate the train until it goes off the tracks and burns.


Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (AC0lD)

301 Ha. How will this "war" on the media play out? You gonna put on facepaint and stick leaves in your hats?

Black Jimmy Carter is eating your lunch.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (jKeMG)

302 @277

We could have morphed into the tea party but the hop and the donks/msm have worked overtime to poison their image and or marginalize them.

Maybe the conservatarian party will catch on?

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 09:16 PM (0fxcV)

303 Whigs morphed into the Republican party within an election cycle.... with 1850's Technology....

Six years from the founding in 1854 until Lincoln in '60. Though they did well in '56.

We need to get morphing though. Six years is another $8T+ in debt.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:16 PM (QupBk)

304 The left has gotten what it wished for.The US will be as enlightened as Europe.Congratulations.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:16 PM (9XBK2)

305 Ever been to Europe?

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:16 PM (jKeMG)

306 Pussies. Stock pile ammo and dried beans You're irrelevant, frightened pussies with no faith in the USA.



Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:13 PM (jKeMG)


'Faith in the USA' is rich coming from you fuckers. Shouldn't you be raping somebody in an Occupy tent?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (uhAkr)

307 Why is he here now that the election is over and the money's gone?

He's doing his retard endzone dance while his house burns.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (QupBk)

308 "I'm not entirely clear why people who said, "no,
you're wrong that won't be a problem" get a pass for that kind of
massive fuck up. I guess we're all liberals now and it's not results
that count but people's intentions.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:06 PM (x8U/s)"
You're obsessed that this election was lost because of Romney and lack of conservative conviction. You couldn't be more wrong, run Gingrich or any other dream candidate you have in mind, bring up Obama's corruption and incompetence every chance you get, run the whole damn campaign in a way that would have satisfied your wishes and the result would have been exactly the same, a huge defeat. But you go ahead and bash Romney if it makes you feel better. Don't look at the culture and ideology of the country, you just focus on that next chance for winning an election. That should sustain you for four years.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (GZitp)

309 Dammit, quit picking at the scab or it will never heal right, and you will probably get an infection. And a scar, a real ugly scar.

Posted by: seamrog at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (rOhbC)

310 tax rates might increase a tiny bit!

It's the unsustainable spending, you stupid fuck.

Your unserious dickhole Messiah's extra couple billion of cream off of class warfare rhetoric won't change that.

And yet you, you clueless shitbird, bought the message, and still believe it.

Go ahead, balance the budget with another couple billion off the rich, you risible mushhead.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (AP1Kh)

311 Jon.....he is eating your lunch too, your just to dumb to realize it.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:18 PM (uis79)

312 "Either they didn't have the money or couldn't figure out what states to run ads in...or both."

I never gave him a dime. Scott Walker was my last donation and before that Rubio.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 12, 2012 09:18 PM (i0vBR)

313 306 Nah,he's the one GETTING raped.Anally.And he likes it.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:19 PM (9XBK2)

314 You guys live in a cocoon called 'mathematics.' It's racist.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:19 PM (uhAkr)

315 It seems like Del Toro copied the sound of the Reapers for Mass Effect for that trailer.

Almost nobody does original foley for games or movies or TV anymore. Each of the major studios sells a several-dozen CD set of sound effects from their stock library. All the studios own all of each others' CD sets, and starting with the PS1 era most game developers have at least one of those sets as well. So it's entirely normal to hear the same exact sound in a couple different games, a movie, and half a dozen TV shows.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 12, 2012 09:19 PM (OevbG)

316 Black Jimmy Carter is eating your lunch the seed corn.

Fixed, innumerate dickweed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 12, 2012 09:19 PM (AP1Kh)

317 Heh. Europe is full of green spaces, quiet towns, churches and nuclear power plants. You are being lied to about europe in general. Same fuckers who lied to you about the polls, and acorn, and black helicopters, and putting your money into gold.

Pussies. Have some faith in the USA. I'm a proud American, and you should be too! You lost a fucking election, the world is not ending.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:19 PM (jKeMG)

318 I think conservatives real enemy within the GOP isn't RINOs it's the self serving consultant class who don't care who wins as long as a lot of money is being spent.
Posted by: we are so screwed at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (BjJOB)


This. Just needed to be repeated.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (MbXOQ)

319 nuclear power plants

lol

Posted by: Germany at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (AP1Kh)

320 let's face it: Mittens threw this election just like McLame did the last one.

the Beltway RINO's would rather be in charge of a minority party and protect their personal picks than do what needs to be done to win. fuck the GOP.

Let
It
Burn.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (8MasJ)

321 What we do know for sure is that basically every flaw people said would be fatal to Romney was.

I'm not entirely clear why people who said, "no, you're wrong that won't be a problem" get a pass for that kind of massive fuck up. I guess we're all liberals now and it's not results that count but people's intentions.




You mean people built up the strengths and downplayed his weaknesses? And then don't want to admit they were wrong in their choice?

The fuckin deuce you say? That's almost like, you know, all of recorded human history.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (GEICT)

322 So, now my neighbor, who doesn't give shit to anyone and hordes all his shit looks like a fucking genius.

This country is going to hell.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (wR+pz)

323 Jon has to be a Sock....cause he just dropped "Racist." It is too funny to be true.....Ace is that you?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (uis79)

324 We won the election, wingnuts, so obviously all that stuff people have been saying about deficits is a lie.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:21 PM (uhAkr)

325 It's the unsustainable spending, you stupid fuck.

You might as well be arguing with a dustmop. That $80B doesn't make a dent in a $1.3T annual deficit, while simultaneously depressing job growth is not something he understands.

But Hey! In Our Faces! Yah!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:21 PM (QupBk)

326 Innumerate? Hey I was predicting a romney fail back in the summer! I look at reality. The sky is not falling. Wake up, act like proud human beings. Nobody likes a loser.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:21 PM (jKeMG)

327 The biggest loser of all is the person who hangs out with the people he rails against as losers.

Posted by: steevy at December 12, 2012 09:22 PM (9XBK2)

328 "Well, you guys have convinced me. Let's not try anything different. Let's all scream 'despair' and piss ourselves.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:15 PM (uhAkr)"

What are you doing? Pinning your hopes on an election? Giving money to the next GOP hopeful? There's a point of optimism and a point of understanding what kind of country you're living in.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:22 PM (GZitp)

329 miss me ?

Posted by: h at December 12, 2012 09:22 PM (VSWPU)

330 You guys are pussies. I am a proud, tough American, sitting here in the cafe with my mocha latte. I sip it while it's scalding, that's how tough I am.

I'm proud of America right now, because we aren't talking about American history or foreign policy.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:23 PM (uhAkr)

331 Ha. I remember when dick cheney said deficits didn't matter. Yes! that actually happened.

Why are you all so scared? Grow up, take a deep breath and carry on.

Plus its hilarious to read "let it burn" through a WWW that is funded by corporations, government... you know, the USA.

How will you twitter yourselves when you go Galt?

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:24 PM (jKeMG)

332 281 I'm impressed that they actually show the damn monster in the trailer.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 12, 2012 09:09 PM (Gk3SS)




This. Fucking this.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:24 PM (GEICT)

333 Innumerate?

Did I stutter?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 12, 2012 09:24 PM (AP1Kh)

334 All. Trolls. Are. Average. Joe.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 12, 2012 09:25 PM (bxiXv)

335 "So, the question becomes how can Romney spend MORE money for less ad time systemicly.... unless O's team was getting preferential Ad Rates?"

Depends on when you run the ads. Obama probably bought up the prime slots.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 12, 2012 09:25 PM (i0vBR)

336 Dustmop.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:25 PM (QupBk)

337 @334

Or someguy!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:25 PM (uis79)

338 What are you doing? Pinning your hopes on an
election? Giving money to the next GOP hopeful? There's a point of
optimism and a point of understanding what kind of country you're living
in.


Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:22 PM (GZitp)


We need a new party, one that is willing to be aggressive in getting out our message. And we need to work on splitting their coalition. Small, organized minority parties have managed to win political control. They just need to be smart.

If we are as fucked as you say, we have nothing to lose.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:26 PM (uhAkr)

339 @334

Or palinsteele

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:26 PM (uis79)

340 Europe is full of people who don't have jobs, and who will never have jobs. They sponge off the government and get high. They live in tiny apartments. They ride their bikes, or if they're rich, they have a little motorscooter.

The entire house of cards in Europe is built on borrowed money, and the fact that the USA pays for European security. European countries spend little to nothing on their own defense.

As the screws tighten down here in the USA, there won't be money to throw at Europe, or the IMF, or the World Bank. Greece will be followed by Portugal, Italy, Ireland, and Spain. France is already grasping at straws, trying to squeeze money out of its "evil rich" as the rich run for the exits.

Just wait. Obama getting a second term is the beginning of the end for America's middle class. There will be the rich, Obama's people. And there will be the poor, the ObamaPhone people.

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 09:26 PM (neKzn)

341 Obama was smart and bought ads in advance. The TV stations (Horrible media!) looked at the bottom line, and looked at the hundreds of millions in super PAC money about to roll in and did the American thing to do -- raised rates.

Laughable.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:27 PM (jKeMG)

342 Jon is averageIPchanger

Posted by: ontherocks at December 12, 2012 09:28 PM (aZ6ew)

343 I'M SUPER PATRIOT WINGNUTZ!

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:28 PM (ZETiK)

344 All. Trolls. Are. Average. Joe.

Except when they're Kilgore Trout.

I had to smile the other day when I remembered that Chuckles 1.0 coined the phrase "Lefty just wants free stuff."

Posted by: Palandine at December 12, 2012 09:28 PM (g7D8V)

345 Would it kill us to adopt the left's "nose in the tent" strategy on abortion? Cause that probably did cost us the farking womens' vote - or at least enough of it to sink Romney. Instead of going for the whole enchilada at once, could we actually just target an achievable goal of limiting third-trimester abortions to start with? It seems to be working out pretty well for the gays, after all.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (MbXOQ)

346 @338

Bev,

"We need a new party"

But you can't do that till you kill the Republican Party...what in the hell did you think "Let It Burn" meant?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (uis79)

347 WWWs are funded by corporations. Not by you, the paying public.

By. The. Corporations. And the government.

Follow me down the rabbit hole. I will show you truth.

Oh, and I don't understand what 'going Galt' means. I think it means rejecting society and technology.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (uhAkr)

348 Hey, things are not that bad. A record stock market rise under Obama, the US will be the #1 crude oil producer before Obama's second term is finished, and both wars will be over with the worst terrorists killed. Goldman Sachs predicts 4% GDP for the next two years.

So the GOP is licking its wounds while America forges ahead.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (BKT6o)

349 Remember, you can't reason a dustmop out of what they weren't reasoned into.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (QupBk)

350 Oh, and I don't understand what 'going Galt' means.

Clearly.

Posted by: Palandine at December 12, 2012 09:30 PM (g7D8V)

351 Well, goodnight. Sweet dreams in your piss-soaked beds, Chicken Little pussies.

The USA will carry on without you. Hunker down and chew on dried meat, bile and bitter recriminations back in West Fuck Holler Georgia.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:30 PM (jKeMG)

352 But you can't do that till you kill the Republican Party...what in the hell did you think "Let It Burn" meant?





Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:29 PM (uis79)

"Let it Burn" means let the Collapse come, and then, in the post-Ragnarok phase, we get Jeffersonian Democracy.
A new party isn't 'letting it burn'. It's fighing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:30 PM (uhAkr)

353











Elizabeth
Warren Gets Senate Banking Committee Nod


Posted by: what could possibly go wrong? at December 12, 2012 09:31 PM (EZl54)

354 G-Nite Dustmop.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:31 PM (QupBk)

355 Ace was linked on RCP 2 days in a row. I hope that helps the blog somehow.

Posted by: L, elle at December 12, 2012 09:32 PM (0PiQ4)

356 "A new party isn't 'letting it burn'. It's fighting."

Yes it is, but you seem to not have done the Math yet, and are living in complete denial.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:33 PM (uis79)

357 Yep, good night pussies. Tough guys like me are off to bed in my silk sheets with my sleep mask and HEPA filter (after I take my ear medication, of course).

The US will carry on without you. Of course, I mean that figuratively since we need your tax money. None of us proud, tough Americans actually work.

Posted by: Jon at December 12, 2012 09:33 PM (uhAkr)

358 Jon, there's no sense in which you can be said to understand what we're on about - which is obvious given your responses. Look, we're not the GOP but a slice within the GOP. Its not our home anymore. This is intraparty stuff.

Also, yes, we see the USA as failshit right now. So did your side not long ago. What of it?

Last, yes, been to Europe a lot. Those green spaces are often hereditary lands of the aristocracy, or dachas for political hacks which amounts to the same thing. They have a different history from us and we'd like to keep it that way, thanks all the same.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 09:34 PM (RLTt1)

359
One Jon Favreau is an actor/director, the other is a speechwriter for Obama. The actor/director is also the producer of the Iron Man movie series, and is thought to be a closet conservative/not libtard.
======
Tight with Vince Vaughn.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 12, 2012 09:34 PM (85EaA)

360 @351

Goodnight Jon! Tell your Mom to call me after she puts you to Bed!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:34 PM (uis79)

361 The candidate and the campaign sucked, it only followsthat the ads would. I told Hugh Hewitt in 2007 that Mitt Romney would never win a national election. But those guys went to Harvard and what do I know.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 12, 2012 09:35 PM (H9yJX)

362 We need to realize how badly fucked up this election was and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again.

Are you the same guy that wrote the post crowing how you stuck the first match in the Let it Burn movement?

Several commenters have articulated that the problem is not with the Prince of Fools, it is the fools who willingly made him their prince.

Do you really think the problem was that Romney was not Captain Kickass with a 1.000 batting average?

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 09:36 PM (O6q63)

363 Yes it is, but you seem to not have done the Math yet, and are living in complete denial.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:33 PM (uis79)


The fuck I haven't done the math.

Even if Mittens Aurelius had won, we'd still be in deep shit. Even if we got Paul Ryan's plan, it wouldn't be enough.
We always needed a giant course correction. My vote is to actually try to do that instead of relying on a stupid prophecy that after we lie down like sheep somehow we'll win.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:36 PM (uhAkr)

364 318 I think conservatives real enemy within the GOP isn't RINOs it's the self serving consultant class who don't care who wins as long as a lot of money is being spent.
Posted by: we are so screwed at December 12, 2012 08:14 PM (BjJOB)

This. Just needed to be repeated.
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 09:20 PM (MbXOQ)
--
And again.

Reagan was an aberration. Obama is more Nixonian than Nixon. Bush Sr. was never on board with supply-side. Bush Jr. gave us "compassionate" conservatism, as though letting people keep their own money and not be ground down into slaves of the state weren't compassionate, and then there's our last two nominees and the current crop of leaders. Screw it.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 09:36 PM (Y5I9o)

365 The ad buyers let the stations place the ads and do the hard work.

You're not seeing my point.

If I can place 400 ads and make X or 600 ads and make the same X, then I'm only gonna place 400 ads.

Incentivizing on dollar amount is the problem. If you want consultants to maximize ad placements, then incentivize on the number of ads placed, not their nominal market value.

You get whatever is incentivized. When left to their own devices, humans typically choose to do less work for same pay when its an option, even when that less work a is pretty trivial amount.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 09:36 PM (MOQU2)

366 While you are whining ...
America is Forging ahead buying plastic dogshit with it's brand new -

INFINITE EXPRESS PLATINUM CARD !!!

America is made of free money!!!!

Posted by: Humbert Homohumper at December 12, 2012 09:37 PM (EZl54)

367 A record stock market rise under Obama,
the US will be the #1 crude oil producer before Obama's second term is
finished, and both wars will be over with the worst terrorists killed.
Goldman Sachs predicts 4% GDP for the next two years.


Mwaaa haaa haaa. You're funny. A 27-year-old Nork dictator just successfully launched an ICBM (that's what an SLV is). We just threw our support to terrorists in Syria. Egypt is on fire. Bernanke just fired up the printing presses. Unions are attacking innocent people. 86% of all Afghanistan war casualties have happened under Obama. 10% unemployment is the new normal. Tens of millions are on food stamps. People's savings are being wiped out by the ridiculously low interest rates that are the only thing keeping the economy from collapse. Religious liberty is on the wane.We haven't managed 4% growth in years. We are $16 trillion in debt and that's only going up after the stupid party caves and helps the tyrant destroy the few remaining job creators.

It's burning.

Posted by: Palandine at December 12, 2012 09:38 PM (g7D8V)

368 You're obsessed that this election was lost because of Romney and lack of conservative conviction.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (GZitp)

The problem was Romney lacked ANY conviction. He lied his way through the primary by pretending to be a conservative and was so scared of being who he is (whoever that is) he stuck to an inane script.

He was unwilling or incapable of making a positive case for himself or any sort of governing principle. Look at his crappy as, 95%+ of them were just negative ads hitting Obama. People knew why they didn't like Obama but Romney never gave him a reason to like or support him.

He was a terrible politician who ran a terrible campaign.

As for my "dream" candidate, how many times do I need to say Newt was my last choice and was terribly flawed?

For all his problems, he would have least made a case as to why he should have been President beyond "Obama bad".

Again, I don't get this idea that people who were proven wrong about Romney some how get a pass. You were told this stuff over and over again and said, "No, you're wrong. Romney will be a good candidate." Well, he wasn't. That's got nothing to do with how well or poorly Newt, Perry or anyone else would have done.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:38 PM (x8U/s)

369 Some of you guys are good at this troll-mocking-socking thing. I can't put myself inside their head enough to do more than a quip.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:39 PM (QupBk)

370 Watch out for the Amish Mafia.

Posted by: Butters at December 12, 2012 09:39 PM (NIZHJ)

371 You could almost conclude that Romney's campaign staff were rank amateurs. Every assumption they made turned out to be wrong.

What's more, this debacle means that both cadidates and super pacs will have a harder time raising money from now on.

Posted by: Decaf at December 12, 2012 09:40 PM (f88gl)

372 Ace, your complaint in this post is now approaching Darwinian criticism. Unfortunately, "Let it burn" is, at best, a poignant cry coming from creatures headed for the historical dirt nap.

So who's going to replace the dinosaurs this time, or, more pointedly, what sorts of steroids will the new, frisky little mammals need to become competitively muscular in a realistic period of time?

Posted by: Peter at December 12, 2012 09:40 PM (FTr4v)

373 So youre whole point Drew is "Ha Ha, you were wrong"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:41 PM (GEICT)

374 sorts of steroids will the new, frisky little mammals need to become competitively muscular in a realistic period of time?

Eggs.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 09:41 PM (QupBk)

375 I don't get this idea that people who were proven wrong about Romney some how get a pass.

This sounds terribly vindictive.

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 09:42 PM (O6q63)

376 Buy now, pay never.

As part of LIB, we should borrow/spend as much as possible on non-transportable, and durable, infrastructure items that will survive the collapse and be inherited by whatever comes next.

The Russian Federation inherited a vast amount of intact infrastructure from the Soviet Union. Roads, apartment buildings, power plants, etc.

We should avoid spending on ephemeral shit.

Between now and the collapse, we need specifically target spending on items that persist can't readily be repo'd when the debt is repudiated.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 09:43 PM (MOQU2)

377 Jon Favreau (the Obama one), is that you?

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2012 09:43 PM (sdi6R)

378 @363

Bev,

"My vote is to actually try to do that"

The votes that are required to gain any political power do not exist anymore. Being Republican saves nothing and only ensures you take at least 1/2 the responsibility. Who the Fuck wants to negotiate with a Philosophical enemy with nothing to Gain....Have at it Chief!


Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:43 PM (uis79)

379 OT: Am watching the 12/12 concert. Sort of embarrassed that so far, the best performances are by the Brits. Roger Waters. Amazing.

In my fantasy world, Kanye West, who is scheduled to perform, comes out and declares, "Barack Obama hates white people."

Posted by: shibumi at December 12, 2012 09:46 PM (z63Tr)

380 The problem was Romney lacked ANY conviction.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 09:46 PM (MOQU2)

381 The votes that are required to gain any political power do not exist
anymore. Being Republican saves nothing and only ensures you take at
least 1/2 the responsibility. Who the Fuck wants to negotiate with a
Philosophical enemy with nothing to Gain....Have at it Chief!


Who says I want to be a Republican? I want a new party.

And as I said, wanting a new party isn't 'letting it burn.'

At this point I have no idea what the fuck you are arguing for. Do you want a new party or do you want to just check out from politics and pretend things will be okay someday?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 12, 2012 09:46 PM (uhAkr)

382 Who is that creepy guy mask that protesters wear? Handlebar goatee. Is that Guy Fawkes?

Posted by: Butters at December 12, 2012 09:46 PM (NIZHJ)

383 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:41 PM (GEICT)

No, it's let's not make the same mistakes again. Let's remember who said what and evaluate their future advice accordingly.

Most importantly, let's not kid ourselves. We nominated a guy for a whole host of reason that proved to be totally disconnected from things low information moderate/unaffiliated voters cared about.

Or we could just chalk up a loss to a President who has been a dismal failure on every level as "just one of those things no once could have done anything about".

Either/or.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:47 PM (x8U/s)

384 373 So youre whole point Drew is "Ha Ha, you were wrong"?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:41 PM (GEICT)
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No. During the primary season lots of people who backed Romney were viciously critical of people who back anyone else as totally unserious. In fact, pretty much everyone was viciously critical of everyone else on the same grounds, it was THAT shitty of a season. But whereas everyone else had to admit the problems with their candidate, the Romney folks never really had to. And it's important that they do, because it really sticks it to the stale "if we nominate electable moderates, we can win(TM)" argument

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 09:47 PM (Y5I9o)

385 "He was a terrible politician who ran a terrible campaign."


You keep telling yourself that, it's a win - win for you. You get to be the smartest person on the blog while at the same time you can keep ignoring the fact you live in dominantly liberal/leftist nation.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (GZitp)

386 >> Again, I don't get this idea that people who were proven wrong about Romney some how get a pass. You were told this stuff over and over again and said, "No, you're wrong. Romney will be a good candidate." Well, he wasn't. That's got nothing to do with how well or poorly Newt, Perry or anyone else would have done.

At BEST he was the best of a bad lot. Not exactly something to write home about.

Posted by: Andy at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (OZPoa)

387 Spread propaganda.

Move to a red State.

Go Galt.

Prepare.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (fGw3R)

388 Race baiters at ABC news says the earring on chin shooter wore a hockey mask, and that most of these shooters are white. OK, he looks less than white to me, but OK.

Posted by: Whatev at December 12, 2012 09:49 PM (2t6Gz)

389 Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 09:42 PM (O6q63)

What's vindictive about it?

All opinions aren't equal once they are tested in the real world and their are actual results.

Should people take Dick Morris seriously?

If results don't matter, then I guess we might as well give everyone a participation trophy and call it good.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:49 PM (x8U/s)

390
Drew is right. I have yet to read a single " I was wrong" from Team
Mitt especially those who spent the last 7 years pumping their arms for
roboCandidate and refused to hear anything other the highest praise for
their guy.

When my guy Perry, stumbled over his words and had a slight mental infarction during a debate, I had to admit that his screw up was, well a screw up and that it may well have cost the best potential candidate the whole enchilada.

Losing sucks. Denial is a psychological tapeworm.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 12, 2012 09:51 PM (EZl54)

391 Performance like this is why I didn't give a red cent to the campaign.

Posted by: Valiant at December 12, 2012 09:52 PM (aFxlY)

392 blah blah blah whatever the republican party fucking sucks

Posted by: sb at December 12, 2012 09:52 PM (80w08)

393 I thought these Amish guys sat out the draft? And here they are shooting guns.

Posted by: Butters at December 12, 2012 09:52 PM (NIZHJ)

394 New game on Steam. "Ace of Spades"

Posted by: buzzion at December 12, 2012 09:52 PM (GULKT)

395 I asked here a month before the election why I was seeing so few Romney ads here in Virginia. Somebody answered it was probably because Romney's internal polling showed VA as safe.

Romney was running for POTUS from 2008 there is simply no excuse of not having enough time after the primaries.



Posted by: Ken at December 12, 2012 09:52 PM (caupe)

396 Actually, Romney spent too much on broadcast and not enough on cable. We usually only watch cable channels, and saw very few Romney, and tons of Obama.
Posted by: MrCaniac at December 12, 2012 09:02 PM (Zd/NW)


And he definitely had no presence in streaming media. WTF were his media planners thinking? Then he shoveled the bulk of his dough directly to the networks that were slandering him in their "news" coverage. Genius.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 09:54 PM (MbXOQ)

397 Posted by: Andy at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (OZPoa)

There were people who took a "what else can we do but go with this" view and that was and is understandable.

My beef is with the people who actively supported Romney and pooh-pooed every warning about how awful he would be.

When it was pointed out for example that nominating a stiff, private equity, multi-multi-millionaire might pose some problems in this environment, there were people who said,
"It won't be a problem and stop playing class warfare games!". Turns out....it was a HUGE problem.

There are plenty of examples of this.

I just think it's fair to point out that people who made certain judgments about how Romney would play in the general were wrong and that's worth remembering next time they tell us to "shut up and get in line".

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:54 PM (x8U/s)

398 What? You expected something more?

Posted by: Romney Death Star at December 12, 2012 09:55 PM (aFxlY)

399 Who is that creepy guy mask that protesters wear? Handlebar goatee. Is that Guy Fawkes?

Yup thats the mask for the Anonytards. They're like the drow. Worship a spider-queen, they do

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (RLTt1)

400
Either/or.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:47 PM (x8U/s)



I think it was Vic who's had the best first idea/step that I've heard. Fix the damn primary season so that "liberal" states don't have a disproportionate impact on who our candidate is.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (GEICT)

401 385:You keep telling yourself that, it's a win - win for you. You get to be the smartest person on the blog while at the same time you can keep ignoring the fact you live in dominantly liberal/leftist nation.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (GZitp)
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Oh come on... while there was never going to be a Romney blow-out, there were a ton of things he could've done to pick up the margin of 400,000 votes. For one thing, fighting back a bit at the beginning while Obama had free reign to define him for everyone. Then, he could have lobbied to let Ron Paul speak at the convo, that would shore up some libertarian votes. etc.

In other words, he could've been a decent candidate, but he didn't take several quite obvious steps. hence, terrible candidate.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (Y5I9o)

402 O/T So, I watched "Prometheus"

I will spare you the long "Ace"-style review.

For a buck at Redbox, I liked it.

As for the idea that human life did not begin here, this is not a new idea.

Ben Stein interviewed a noted Athiest. According to him, if life didn't spontaneously start here, it came from from somewhere else.

But, how it it start somewhere else?

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (V70Uh)

403 We had to pick from a stack of shit sandwiches.

The shit sandwich that won still turned out to be a shit sandwich.

Go figure.

I am done with the GOP. The GOP can't make up its mind if it wants to fight the Democrats or marry them.

Fuck the GOP and fuck all the clowns who squawk about electability.

Fight like a junk yard dog and either win or lose, but fight.

Of course, all you win is a chance to guide the collapse and recovery.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (fGw3R)

404 The crappiness of the campaign really does stick in the craw.

It'd be one thing if Team Mitt had put forth a brilliant strategic and tactical effort that lived up to his reputation as a businessman but fell short in the end.

With ineptness like the ad buys and the digital clusterfuck, though, now you'll always wonder if we could have won this thing with a better ground game.

Posted by: Andy at December 12, 2012 09:57 PM (OZPoa)

405 We nominated a guy for a whole host of reason that proved to be totally
disconnected from things low information moderate/unaffiliated voters
cared about.


The media would have made sure Romney was branded a complete lunatic if he ran on a "The Republic is going to collapse if we don't take some strong medicine platform".

And that was pretty much it wasn't it? We thought, as a practical matter, this being the last gasp chance to save the Republic before collapse, Romney was the one most likely to have a fiscal plan that might, maybe, a longshot at best, possibly work.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 09:57 PM (MOQU2)

406 What's vindictive about it?

You seem to be taking the readers of this blog to task.

I do agree with another commenter. You certainly are the smartest guy in the room.

Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 09:57 PM (O6q63)

407 @381

Bev,

"And as I said, wanting a new party isn't 'letting it burn.'"

Yes it is...Let me spell it out for you. A new political party only splits the vote further ensuring an even stronger grip by the Left. They are going to do what their agenda since the 60's mandates them to do. Until the Republican Party does not exist, will the political power be focused enough change anything.

"Let it Burn" is simply letting responsibility be taken where it is deserved. Letting Sunshine cleanse what has been hidden in plain sight.

"Do you want a new party or do you want to just check out from politics and pretend things will be okay someday?"

"Yes"..I want a New Party and "No" I don't want things to all of a sudden be Okay, because I know that the population will not understand what it is they have advocated for, until they have lived it. And until they figure it out this problem will never go away.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (uis79)

408 Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (V70Uh)

Yup.

$1/hr for reasonable entertainment.

Cheaper than a blow job.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (GsoHv)

409 "My beef is with the people who actively supported Romney and pooh-pooed every warning about how awful he would be."

Don't pretend your constant Romney bashing was all because after thoughtful analysis you alone determined Romney couldn't win and how awful of a candidate he would be. What a load of revisionist crap. You just got pissy because your man Newt got his ass handed to him by Romney.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (GZitp)

410 But, how it it start somewhere else?

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (V70Uh)

The same way it would have started here: naturally, no magic.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (fGw3R)

411 402:But, how it it start somewhere else?

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (V70Uh)
--

It came from somewhere else, ELSE. Duh.

In other news, turtles all the way down.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (Y5I9o)

412 Most importantly, let's not kid ourselves. We nominated a guy for a whole host of reason that proved to be totally disconnected from things low information moderate/unaffiliated voters cared about.

Or we could just chalk up a loss to a President who has been a dismal failure on every level as "just one of those things no once could have done anything about".

Either/or.Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:47 PM (x8U/s)............................Low information voters voted for free birth control, abortions and obama phones. I'm willing to bet that if someone claimed to be conservative and ran on that platform he would have lost a majority of conservative voters. I don't think dumbing down ones campain is going to be the answer

Posted by: Molly k. at December 12, 2012 10:00 PM (9Cfw6)

413 >> I just think it's fair to point out that people who made certain judgments about how Romney would play in the general were wrong and that's worth remembering next time they tell us to "shut up and get in line".

But ... but ... electability!

Posted by: Andy at December 12, 2012 10:00 PM (OZPoa)

414 You keep telling yourself that, it's a win - win for you. You get to be the smartest person on the blog while at the same time you can keep ignoring the fact you live in dominantly liberal/leftist nation.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:48 PM (GZitp)


Only because we live in a nation that stupidly allowed the 1965 immigration act to pass. We allowed our leaders to elect a new people.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:00 PM (MbXOQ)

415 245 Regarding the phony "we are celebrities and we care about people" concert tonight, I just can't work up any enthusiasm for caring.

Sorry but I've seen too many of these big celebutard events and it's nothing but celebs using somebody else's suffering to make the celebrity more famous.

Posted by: Boots at December 12, 2012 08:54 PM (neKzn)



"Bruce Wayne, at a charity ball. Even before you became a recluse, you never came to these things."

"The proceeds go to the big fat spread. It's not about charity. It's about feeding the ego of whichever society hag laid this on."



If I have to spend money buying fun stuff for whichever non-O voters will still get Christmas from me, I might as well give it to the Nolan brothers. And those non-Os would be better off watching Batmans next year instead of some Weinstein shit or something which nets Jamie Foxx residuals.

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 12, 2012 10:01 PM (cyrh6)

416 What I find most interesting is that Democrats are very, very good at elections but actually don't do governance very well. The GOP is the opposite.

Though, I have to wonder how much is just the MSM thumb on the scale. If the thumb is big enough, it could create the impression of one awesome election winning party that when tasked with getting results, the one area the media cannot help them, suddenly fails more often than not.

And the GOP, which looks to be so sadsack, does better.

This suggests to me its the MSM almost entirely. And political science shows this out. The MSM is worth 5% or more in an election.

More and more I come to this conclusion.
The crazy lies that lefties believe in, or the facts they have NEVER heard before is astounding. Now, I have been known to be wrong on facts before too, but usually I am aware of the general field of play. Example: how many libs do you know that don't know we have not had a budget in 4 years? TONS. When pointed out, they have to google their talking points...but really they should not have to do that. The media should have already told them those, but they now can get away with so much that their base can be ignorant.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:01 PM (dZQh7)

417 You seem to be taking the readers of this blog to task.
Posted by: fluffy at December 12, 2012 09:57 PM (O6q63)

Other than 3 people I called out once by name in a thread, people are mostly imaging that.

I'm thinking mostly of professional pundits and a small minority of voters/commenters whatever who were true Mitt believers and wouldn't listen to any concerns about Romney.

And FTR- After all the time I spent knocking Mitt I'm sure I would have taken a ton of shit if he had won. I wouldn't whine about it, I'd have been proven wrong.

Too bad the Mittbots never got that chance (I mean that sincerely).

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:03 PM (x8U/s)

418 We allowed our leaders to elect a new people.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:00 PM (MbXOQ)

+100

Lurk less.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:03 PM (GsoHv)

419 Another example, is one of my smartest Democratic friends who gives me grief about being agnostic on GW.

But he can say stuff like "higher taxes don't affect growth" even though that's pretty much been proven to be false. (Even if you are on the left side of the Laffer curve and get more revenue, you will lose some economic growth for sure.)

Or the claim that unemployment benefits and food stamps have a multiplier of 1.8 or whatever crazy number they put up. Insanity.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:04 PM (dZQh7)

420 >>>Fix the damn primary season so that "liberal" states don't have a disproportionate impact on who our candidate is.

Easy to do with a whole different party to set it up.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 10:04 PM (RLTt1)

421 400
I think it was Vic who's had the best first idea/step that I've heard. Fix the damn primary season so that "liberal" states don't have a disproportionate impact on who our candidate is.


Would have been nice if that had been done after 2008, when every sentient being knew it was a problem. The RNC evidently didn't see it that way.

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2012 10:05 PM (sdi6R)

422 405:"The media would have made sure Romney was branded a complete lunatic if he ran on a "The Republic is going to collapse if we don't take some strong medicine platform".

And that was pretty much it wasn't it? We thought, as a practical matter, this being the last gasp chance to save the Republic before collapse, Romney was the one most likely to have a fiscal plan that might, maybe, a longshot at best, possibly work.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 09:57 PM (MOQU2)
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As I recall, the abysmally long primary clusterfuck of a circular firing squad pretty much guaranteed that everyone would make some kind of gaffe at some point, esp. with the media setting trap after trap after trap. It was really either going to be "last man standing" or "last one to open his mouth".

Fer fucks' sake, even SANTORUM peaked~! (After Pawlenty, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, am I missing anyone?) And if the season had been two weeks shorter, we might've had candidate Newt.

Also, as far as being labeled a "complete lunatic", that happened anyway, right? So where would the harm have been in saying that we were close to collapse, given that it's true?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:05 PM (Y5I9o)

423 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (GEICT)

I wish but we had the same conversation after McCain. Slu wrote a great post laying out several scenarios that the GOP could adopt to improve the process.

Do the GOP powers that be care? Nope. They extended the calendar a bit but kept the same crappy Iowa/NH bull shit. There's no reason to think that'll ever change.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:05 PM (x8U/s)

424 Hey everyone, I accidentally got a website called Breitbart unmasked while ago while I was trying to see what was up here--I had no idea there were people out there who created a blog to attack a blog. Jeez. I was fascinated and appalled and laughed out loud when they said Ace was a California girl. Huh? I think I'm naive when it comes to blogging. I love AoShq and really don't go looking around much in the blogosphere--my one experience was bad---I won't mention its name, but let me just say it was something named after unnaturally colored pigskins. Anyway, just wanted to get back here and lock the door. I know this is a Romney thread--and I don't like beating up on the guy, either. From what I saw out there, he could have had dancing nudes on tv and it wouldn't have moved the needle against Obamabots.

Posted by: scotsfury at December 12, 2012 10:06 PM (W08yv)

425 That's got nothing to do with how well or poorly Newt, Perry or anyone else would have done.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 09:38 PM (x8U/s)

There is some empirical measure of the quality of the candidate, and Romney didn't measure up?

Bullshit.

He was the best of a bad lot.

Perry was probably the best, but he was stoned for the campaign, so he doesn't count.

What do you want...to lose with dignity?

"Oh, my candidate was great! He lost 47 states, but he was a true conservative."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:07 PM (GsoHv)

426 I believed that Obama was a so bad a President that even a useless POS like Mitt Romney could beat him.

I was wrong.

I can't recall hearing any Mitt supporters saying their candidate sucked.

Yeah, the voters sucked, but Mitt sucked, too.

Here's my message to Mitt and his groupies: Put that coffee down.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:07 PM (fGw3R)

427 Romney had problems. Newt had problems. Cain had problems. Obama had problems.

They all have problems. Do we really think Newt wouldn't have done his own 47% quote? Or that his divorcing antics wouldn't have come back to bite him?

Bachmann was a Swiss citizen for christ's sake. We only found out about that after the primaries.

Santorum would have been war on women on steroids.

Seriously, looking back the only one I would have gambled on would have been Newt. or Ron Paul.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:07 PM (dZQh7)

428 Do the GOP powers that be care? Nope. They extended the calendar a bit but kept the same crappy Iowa/NH bull shit. There's no reason to think that'll ever change.


Then, on average, we will continue getting the squishiest end of the GOP field as our candidate and this discussion is largely irrelevant.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:08 PM (GEICT)

429 @404

The thing that convinced me this Romney guy is a loser was, I was watching one of his rally speeches, I believe it was Iowa he was talking about the economy and he started it off by saying Obama inherited a Bad situation, I know I keep going back to this, but how in the blue blazes can you basically validate your opponents main theme? Ryan would do it too when he spoke!!!

Maddening!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (0fxcV)

430 I like these discussions because I'm still flummoxed that a majority of the voters could look around and say Yeah, I want at least four more years of this shit.

I just can't wrap my mind around the situation.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (QupBk)

431 Don't pretend your constant Romney bashing was all because after thoughtful analysis you alone determined Romney couldn't win and how awful of a candidate he would be. What a load of revisionist crap. You just got pissy because your man Newt got his ass handed to him by Romney.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 09:59 PM (GZitp)

Boy I wish I could refute that. Oh wait! I can!

Me from April 19, 2010 on this very blog:

This is why Romney can not and must not be the Republican nominee in 2012.

Let me say upfront I wasn't a committed Mitt guy in '08 but I wasn't as down on him as much as others were either. The flips aren't a deal breaker for me (though they are the reason I couldn't embrace him wholeheartedly). Before health care passed and repeal became the imperative that it is, Romney was probably my leading candidate going into '12. I think that election will be a referendum on Obama and the candidate that appears to be the 'anti-Obama' will have the best shot at beating him. At one point, Mitt seemed to be that candidate.

That all changed when the House passed ObamaCare on March 21st.

Even if Romney does say he opposes the individual mandate, he still has said he'd take credit for Obama's health care "accomplishment". Given his background with the issue and weird statements about the law since its passage, Romney is simply damaged goods when it comes to health care.

He might still be able to come up with a convincing narrative to explain the differences between MassCare and ObamaCare as well as his role in the former. But then the debate will be about Mitt and what he thought then vs. now and whether he can be reliable going forward. Meanwhile the focus will be off Obama and the damage done by this health care scheme.

Republicans need the issue to be a clean and clear choice...we have to nominate someone who was opposed to ObamaCare from the start. Only then will the focus stay on Obama and what he has wrought.

Sorry Mitt, for all your other strengths, on this issue you simply aren't the clear cut anti-Obama we need.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/300719.php

Oops for you.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (x8U/s)

432 424
I was fascinated and appalled and laughed out loud when they said Ace was a California girl.


So does she resemble Christina Hendricks or Helen Thomas?

Inquiring morons want to know.

Posted by: rickl at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (sdi6R)

433 There's no reason to think that'll ever change.
Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:05 PM (x8U/s)

Do you need mare reason to start a new party?

Sure, a new party will lose at first, but that's okay.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:10 PM (fGw3R)

434 416:"More and more I come to this conclusion.
The crazy lies that lefties believe in, or the facts they have NEVER heard before is astounding. Now, I have been known to be wrong on facts before too, but usually I am aware of the general field of play.
Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:01 PM (dZQh7)
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It's also amusing how if you engage an intelligent Lefty when they don't know you're a conservative, the policies they tend to advocate start sounding an awful lot like conservative policies. The only difference is who's in power and who has to pay. For instance, I was talking to a far left guy who said the only way to fix the public school system was to totally axe the bottom quarter of teachers and then set high academic standards for who gets through teacher certification programs. He literally compared it to a "corporate buyout". The only problem was that he was in fantasyland about letting those people go with their pensions intact.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:11 PM (Y5I9o)

435 I know one thing--we need an in-your-face politician like Christie to call Dems out EVERY single time on EVERY single issue that they try to hide. Press conferences, loud speeches--yeah, they won't like us--but they don't like us now--we need guts or no glory. Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. Let's go all steamroller over 'em. Talk louder, talk faster, talk more and above all MAKE FUN of them--laugh at them following their leader--like robots.

Posted by: scotsfury at December 12, 2012 10:11 PM (W08yv)

436 418

Aren't you sweet?

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:12 PM (MbXOQ)

437 Pat Quinn, governor of Illinois is the dumbest fuck of all the dumfux. He was re-elected the last time because his opponent was too embarrassed to actually run.

I am so tired of republicans apologizing for what they believe. fuck 'em. let it burn

Posted by: billypaintbrush at December 12, 2012 10:12 PM (P9y1e)

438 Sure, a new party will lose at first, but that's okay.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:10 PM (fGw3R)

Yeah.

Tell that to the mensheviks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:13 PM (GsoHv)

439 436 418

Aren't you sweet?
Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:12 PM (MbXOQ)



Naw, he's an asshole who hasn't posted boobehs all afternoon.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:13 PM (GEICT)

440 "Do you need mare reason to start a new party?

Sure, a new party will lose at first, but that's okay. "

What I am seeing is more people slowly becoming libertarian-conservatives. The so-cons will be the last to do this, but once their religion gets assaulted enough they will decide that maybe just being left alone is better than being ruled by the state.

I am unsure if a new party could work or not, because the Tea Party has done decently. The problem is people like Boehner, who just is not up for the position he is in.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:13 PM (dZQh7)

441 Yeah.

Tell that to the mensheviks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:13 PM (GsoHv)

The GOP will never become what it needs to become.

Dump it now and start afresh with a new party.

Or maybe if you ask nicely they'll change the primary schedule and rules and fight the Democrats tooth and nail.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:15 PM (fGw3R)

442 <<His ads were horrible, too, but you can't quantify that.>>

Yes I can: they were horrible.

Boom! Quantified!

Posted by: Sgt. York at December 12, 2012 10:15 PM (WHcjL)

443 Note the Tories in the UK have had to go far more libertarian on social issues, green issues, etc. and then still have to be in coalition with the Liberal Democrats. (which is not Labor.)

Not good omens.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:16 PM (dZQh7)

444 I think it was Vic who's had the best first idea/step that I've heard. Fix the damn primary season so that "liberal" states don't have a disproportionate impact on who our candidate is.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 09:56 PM (GEICT)__ ___ ___ ___ ___ __It's by design.The moderates, who control the party and are in the majority, want the liberal states to have a strong say. I don't see how you 'fix' the primary season under those conditions.Conservatives are not only a minority in America, they are a minority in the Republican party. Which means moderate Republicans are conservatives best friends and the only well from which to breed new conservatives. So maybe insulting the moderates isn't the best idea (and I'm guilty).

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 12, 2012 10:17 PM (1Y+hH)

445 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:13 PM (GEICT)

http://tinyurl.com/coedq22



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:17 PM (GsoHv)

446 http://tinyurl.com/csu9rmt

http://tinyurl.com/bp9k94f

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:17 PM (GsoHv)

447 Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (x8U/s)

Ann "Three Cheers For Romneycare!" Coulter hardest hit.

Posted by: Andy at December 12, 2012 10:18 PM (OZPoa)

448 "I just can't wrap my mind around the situation."

It ain't that hard when you masses of people losing their shit over giving someone the option of not have a chunk of their paycheck confiscated by the unions. Or when you see the "conservative" Justice on the court contort The Constitution to mandate people buy something. Or when you see the military go full retard on not offending Muslims or gays. Or you see the lynch mob mentality over some guy in Florida that shot some suspicious black kid that was threatening him. Etc., Etc.
The people of this nation now look to the Government as a savior and not as a threat to their liberty.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:18 PM (GZitp)

449 I like these discussions because I'm still flummoxed that a majority of the voters could look around and say Yeah, I want at least four more years of this shit.

I just can't wrap my mind around the situation.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (QupBk)
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THIS! I can't either. I have given up on politics.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 12, 2012 10:18 PM (jucos)

450 @435:"like Christie to call Dems out EVERY single time "
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um... not every single time...(cf. late October)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:19 PM (Y5I9o)

451 Which means moderate Republicans are conservatives best friends and the only well from which to breed new conservatives. So maybe insulting the moderates isn't the best idea (and I'm guilty).
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 12, 2012 10:17 PM (1Y+hH)

Good luck with that.

What a complete waste of time and energy.

If you want Conservatism to grow you must isolate it from all the things that inhibit that growth.

Moderates stifle the the growth of Conservatism far more than Leftists do.

Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (fGw3R)

452 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:17 PM (GsoHv)




Bravo sir.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (GEICT)

453 "$1/hr for reasonable entertainment.

Cheaper than a blow job."[/i"]

Having never paid for a blowjob, I cannot compare.

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (V70Uh)

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 10:21 PM (V70Uh)

455 FUCKING UNIONS!!!!!


ugh spit

Posted by: Truman North at December 12, 2012 10:22 PM (I2LwF)

456 Having never paid for a blowjob, I cannot compare.

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (V70Uh)

I didn't realize that you aren't married.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:22 PM (GsoHv)

457 >>>I am unsure if a new party could work or not, because the Tea Party has done decently. The problem is people like Boehner, who just is not up for the position he is in.

The problem is the leadership aging in place and refusing to allow in new blood. Even promising emerging leaders know the score and say they're not ready, so they won't run and dude it's the leadership. They'd squash a Jindal like a bug becoz it ain't his turn yet. We need to purge and it ain't happening. Therefore: New party. Let them have the ruins they made with their own hands. That is fully in keeping with our own values.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 12, 2012 10:24 PM (RLTt1)

458
Posted by: eman at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (fGw3R)

Interesting. I submit we don't have enough conservatives. You say moderates can't be redeemed. Liberals can? Libertarians? I'm out of supply here, where are you going to get millions of conservatives so you can win a national election?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 12, 2012 10:25 PM (1Y+hH)

459 456 Having never paid for a blowjob, I cannot compare.

Posted by: Al at December 12, 2012 10:20 PM (V70Uh)

I didn't realize that you aren't married.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 12, 2012 10:22 PM (GsoHv)




A blow...job? A blowjob? Sounds vaguely familiar...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:28 PM (GEICT)

460 And while we're all crowing I specifically called out the part about Mitt hiring squishy morons who tell him not to run at all to avoid offending anyone, just be as milktoast as possible.


That was so damn obvious lightyears ahead of time, the guy was pure focus group.

Posted by: entropy at December 12, 2012 10:30 PM (YUttk)

461 ...a Romney YouTube channel featuring the cutest cats of the week.
__________
a Romney foundation that provides free phones to the poor...
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videos of equestrian message therapy for handicap people and people w. MS. etc
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Saturday night live type skits making fun of Biden and Barry for the real world caricatures that they really are...visit from church lady
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This is just some stupid stupid shit that would have improved Romney's gravitas with low info voters using the free capabilities of the Internet....the most successful can be parlayed into Tv commercials.
________

Posted by: john stark..former romney supporter at December 12, 2012 10:30 PM (PALjS)

462 You know, there were a lot of conservative blogs that relentlessly pushed Romney from the beginning. After Romney picked up momentum early in the year, other blogs also began pushing Romney as The Only Solution. Commentors on those blogs who liked other candidates and weren't certain about Romney were mercilessly mocked. In fact, there were entire blog posts about how only the very, very stupid and feeble-minded didn't support Romney. If those idiots didn't get behind Romney, and quit even considering other candidates, why, there would be public humiliations in store, possibly even bannings.

I can't really blame someone for being wrong; I'm wrong more often than not.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 12, 2012 10:30 PM (xjpRj)

463 After all the time I spent knocking Mitt I'm sure I would have taken a ton of shit if he had won.

In 2008, if anyone checks the old posts/threads, I was saying I'd probably vote for Obama over Romney were he nominated. I was that pissed off over RomneyCare at the time.

I was ready to burn it down 4 years ago as I didn't see Romney as a viable path to salvaging the Republic. I had a major hate on for him. MAJOR.

Somewhere between then and now he changed my mind, and I voted for him. Willingly, not as the ABO candidate. McLame I voted for as an ABO candidate.

I knew McLame was a fiscal idiot and would get rolled by the Dems every time on that stuff. Heck, even he admits he doesn't know dick about budgetary matters.

Could Romney have won running a different campaign. Maybe. Hindsight is always 20/20.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (MOQU2)

464 "I like these discussions because I'm still flummoxed that a majority of the voters could look around and say Yeah, I want at least four more years of this shit."

This is the only reason, and the 1st debate, that during the last month I bought the Romney will win line.

Now, my lib friends say I am innumerate for not supporting Nate Silver, and they can extrapolate that to mean that the Dems are fine on spending.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (dZQh7)

465 "Oops for you.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:09 PM (x8U/s)"
What a self congratulatory fuck you are, pat yourself on the back. Listen you stupid prick, the choice was clear. Romney didn't lose because people were conflicted because the two candidates were so close to each other ideologically, or because Romney previously supported something in Massachusetts that resembled Obamacare. Yeah he lost because the nation was worried he might go ahead with Obamacare, WTF? Only someone living in alternate fucking reality would buy into that.Why the fuck does ace keep you around here for? You're one fucking hidden Nazi in the GOP away from going full Charles Johnson.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (GZitp)

466 Only because we live in a nation that stupidly allowed the 1965 immigration act to pass. We allowed our leaders to elect a new people.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:00 PM (MbXOQ)


Yup

Posted by: Bertolt Brecht at December 12, 2012 10:33 PM (sZTYJ)

467 A blow...job? A blowjob? Sounds vaguely familiar...
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 12, 2012 10:28 PM (GEICT)
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I must be the luckiest man on the planet. 23 years in a few weeks and she still loves me and I her.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 12, 2012 10:35 PM (jucos)

468 and they can extrapolate that to mean that the Dems are fine on spending.

A guy jumps off the roof of the Empire State building.

There's an open window on the 20th floor with someone standing there.

As the jumper passes by he waves and hollers: "So far so good!"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 10:36 PM (MOQU2)

469 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (GZitp)

You're a fucking tool. You accuse me of something (being butthurt over Newt) and I proved you wrong. What am I supposed to do? Just let you lie about me?

Be a god damn adult and admit you were you were wrong.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:37 PM (x8U/s)

470 As the jumper passes by he waves and hollers: "So far so good!"
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 10:36 PM (MOQU2)
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It's not the fall that kills ya, it's the sudden stop.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 12, 2012 10:37 PM (jucos)

471 @464:Now, my lib friends say I am innumerate for not supporting Nate Silver, and they can extrapolate that to mean that the Dems are fine on spending.
Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (dZQh7)
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Oh fuck... the Nate Silver line.

Yeah, Silver got it right, but that's because the information on the ground didn't change. It's easy to predict anything if you have enough information, and it's easy to get tons of information these days with data mining.

Difficulties in prediction are due to changes in information leading to changes in public reactions. But with the media embargoing serious events, ie., "gamechangers", you can count on your data to be far more stable in predicting future outcomes through multiple computerized trials.

Plus, how much info was Silver getting from the Obama campaign about guaranteed voters in all those 99% counties? It's not that we were wrong about math, it's that we were wrong about the relative dedication levels in the country between those who understand the crisis and those who want their free shit. It's a slim margin, but the latter were far more dedicated.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:39 PM (Y5I9o)

472 lowandslow is the perfect example of what I want to see washed out...people who are wrong and deal with it by becoming indignant at others. They will never admit they were wrong because they have such delicate little egos that they must be right and their passions must rule over reality and facts.

Fuck that shit. We live in a performance based world. If you want your participation trophy for having feelings, no STRONG feelings, you might want to reconsider how conservative you really are.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (x8U/s)

473 I had a very well educated and intelligent co-worker explain to me that the most important issue in the last election was the "War on Women."

She actually set appointments for every possible Feminine Health Care Examination before the end of the year in fear that Romney would end all of it.

When you figure out how she honestly believed that....you not only have solved the problem on how to win it all back, but you also have converted one of the enemy to our side.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (uis79)

474 You're one fucking hidden Nazi in the GOP away from going full Charles Johnson.

heh

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (EZl54)

475 Goddamnit. Glad I donated $1500 bucks to the guy. I'm feeling pretty good about that.

Posted by: Tasmaniac at December 12, 2012 10:43 PM (X2M6S)

476 471 @464:
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And don't get me fucking started on the purported miracle of calling 50 out of 50. Seriously. How many states are ever seriously in doubt, like 10? But 10/10 sounds a lot less impressive than 50/50.

Anyway, enough. Silver's a great statistician, and that should not be denied. but as usual with stats, the interpretation people put on results FAR outstrips what those results actually say. You know, because SCIENCE! ...the mere invocation of which is, as we all know, the least scientific of arguments.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:44 PM (Y5I9o)

477 Sexypig at December 12, 2012 10:31 PM (dZQh7)

Tell your "friends" that you're no more innumerate than Obama - after all, he wasn't drawing up those drone-kill guidelines to constrain his own actions, now was he?

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:45 PM (MbXOQ)

478 "You're a fucking tool. You accuse me of something (being butthurt over
Newt) and I proved you wrong. What am I supposed to do? Just let you lie
about me?



Be a god damn adult and admit you were you were wrong.
"


Proven? You didn't prove shit, you just reposted a rant that was as wrong then as it is now. Romney didn't lose for any of the reason you stated, none of them. It's just something you keep repeating to sooth your limited fucking intellect. You're just the Republican version of the coffeehouse fucking hipster idiot that thinks he's better and smarter then everyone else, all while being laughed at. You don't give a fuck about the direction of this nation or are serious enough person to recognize the state it's in. Your intellect is limited to parceling things into politics and being "right". You're a fucking joke.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:46 PM (GZitp)

479 @473:"She actually set appointments for every possible Feminine Health Care Examination before the end of the year in fear that Romney would end all of it.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (uis79)
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Wow...but sadly, I'm not surprised...I've met the type.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:46 PM (Y5I9o)

480 Silver was right because Nixon's "silent majority" stayed home again.

Here's the problem - there's only a few people left who lived through the great depression.

All the subsequent generations simply don't believe that such economic hardship could ever happen again, or that the Republic could ever collapse.

Those generations were born and raised in a post WWII environment where prosperity and continued US dominance was assumed as a birth right rather than a one-time windfall from being the last man standing after a global conflagration.

They know nothing about reversion to norm. It will be a hard lesson. Many simply won't survive the "lesson"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 10:47 PM (MOQU2)

481 "Fuck that shit. We live in a performance based
world. If you want your participation trophy for having feelings, no
STRONG feelings, you might want to reconsider how conservative you
really are.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (x8U/s)"
Spoken like the true fucking idiot you are. Every time you tangle with me you show what an ass you really are. Performance based world, Jesus fucking Christ, that must have taxed your limited fucking brain power to come up with that one.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:50 PM (GZitp)

482 RE: Silver/stats

Here's a good rundown of issues involved in model interpretation: http://tinyurl.com/bunjbhe

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 12, 2012 10:50 PM (Y5I9o)

483 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:46 PM (GZitp)

You are so stupid.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:50 PM (x8U/s)

484 They know nothing about reversion to norm. It will be a hard lesson. Many simply won't survive the "lesson"


But then there won't be more of them.


The Gods of the Copybook heads will also convert a few too.

Posted by: entropy at December 12, 2012 10:51 PM (YUttk)

485 Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:50 PM (GZitp)

We've "tangled" before?

Honestly, I don't even remember seeing your name before tonight.

Usually people as dumb and dishonest as you stand out.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:52 PM (x8U/s)

486 @483

But....I bet he has a good Golf Swing!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 10:52 PM (uis79)

487 @473:"She actually set appointments for every possible Feminine Health Care Examination before the end of the year in fear that Romney would end all of it.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 12, 2012 10:40 PM (uis79)
--

Had a FB friend declare that she voted team O "For women!" Former FB friend, that is. A halfway competent campaign would've run ads highlighting new ObamaCare guidelines, such as raising the mammograph age from 40 to 50, with little vignettes from women who're only alive today because of the old guidelines ... Sigh.

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at December 12, 2012 10:53 PM (MbXOQ)

488 "Honestly, I don't even remember seeing your name before tonight.



Usually people as dumb and dishonest as you stand out.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 10:52 PM (x8U/s)"
You keep lying to yourself you worthless fuck.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 12, 2012 10:54 PM (GZitp)

489 Mittmer, your brother is not well. We better call an ambulance.




Mittmer Duke:
Fuck him! Now, you listen to me! I want the 2012 election reopened right now. Get
those voters back in here! Turn those machines back on!



[shouts - it echoes pathetically throughout the polling places ]




Mittmer Duke:
Turn those machines back on!

Posted by: Team Romney - roll credits at December 12, 2012 11:01 PM (EZl54)

490 You have quite the high opinion of yourself lowandslow. Trust me, it's entirely unwarranted.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 12, 2012 11:01 PM (x8U/s)

491 If the world was truly performance based, and Obama could never get elected.

As I've gotten older, I've started to realize bullshit counts just as much as actual performance. If you can con the people who matter into believing that you're performing (which is quite different than actually performing), then that perception of performance flies...for a while.

Its basically a bubble effect, you can keep inflating the perception bubble for a while, until the point where the bullshit starts to tear and then it falls apart rather quickly.

In the tech area I've seen this a LOT with other consultants. Amazing lines of BS, flashy appearance, all the right buzz words, and that floats them for a few months or so until actual deliverables come due.

If its just BS "analysis" and some reports nobody reads, they'll keep going and recycle a bunch of boilerplate shit swiped from elsewhere or just make shit up. If its code, real code, that has to run on real machines, and push real results out to other real machines and users, then they suddenly start looking for excuses.

Tools get blamed, other consultants get blamed, or they just come up with an excuse to leave and give their 10th mother terminal cancer or something.

Bullshit. The world runs on bullshit. Fake it till you make it!

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 12, 2012 11:05 PM (MOQU2)

492 DrewM telling someone they have a high opinion of themselves? laughable and sad.

Posted by: polynikes at December 12, 2012 11:07 PM (u1ZOY)

493 310
tax rates might increase a tiny bit!

It's the unsustainable spending, you stupid fuck.

Your unserious dickhole Messiah's extra couple billion of cream off of class warfare rhetoric won't change that.

And yet you, you clueless shitbird, bought the message, and still believe it.

Go ahead, balance the budget with another couple billion off the rich, you risible mushhead.


Posted by: Waterhouse at December 12, 2012 09:17 PM (AP1Kh)

I come here for the poetry.

Posted by: redclay at December 12, 2012 11:13 PM (+PlLU)

494 Exit light, enter night...

Posted by: Charon at December 12, 2012 11:24 PM (MOQU2)

495 Purp Av, glad to see you back here more often. We need more like you.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 11:39 PM (dZQh7)

496 Romney and his constant "entrepreneurs..." that is the word I remember hearing him say over and over. Didn't do a thing for me. I had to tune it out. I wanted to like the guy, but there is so much more he could have done. It really is tragic how much good a potentially awful President like Romney (and I knew he would have been awful, but voted for him anyway) could have done by NOT being Obama. The things being done by the marxist thug are unbelievable...

Posted by: Baldy at December 12, 2012 11:41 PM (opS9C)

497 "As I've gotten older, I've started to realize bullshit counts just as much as actual performance. If you can con the people who matter into believing that you're performing (which is quite different than actually performing), then that perception of performance flies...for a while."

I had a customer like this. They kept wanting me to bullshit them. I had an inside guy there who kept asking me to sock it to them. Well, that's not how I roll.

I don't get how a company owner who buys from China would be easily bullshitted, but he was. They replaced our company as QC agents because someone else spun a great web of bullshit.

I didn't care because they demanded far too much time for far too little pay. I think we made $26,000 a year from their cases, but they wanted me to personally be in China with them for 3 months a year. Uhhhh, no can do.

Anyways, they go with the other company. In 6 months they call back "wondering if we'd like to go back to being their QC agents."

How about fuck no?

Their owner slept 3 hours a day and cc'd you one every single company email. Nightmare indeed.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 12, 2012 11:44 PM (dZQh7)

498 Ace then: buy Romney. You suck if you don't.
Ace now: sorry I told you to buy Romney. Oopsie.

Great and wonderful...in some strange kind of definition of those terms.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 13, 2012 12:21 AM (xjpRj)

499 Romney was spending other people's money.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 13, 2012 01:20 AM (dZQh7)

500 They replaced our company as QC agents because someone else spun a great web of bullshit.

If you're having something built in China, you need your own QC people on site 7x24x365, or you'll get fucked one way or another. The minute your back is turned, substitutions will happen, manufacturing process will change, etc, etc.

Unless the price delta is compelling, its often a safer thing to deal with the Japanese. They'll honor the contract to the letter. If you spec'd 20% tolerance parts that's what you will get...and every one will be on the low end of the tolerance scale ;-> Every part will scope out at exactly 20% deviation. Not 18% or 15%.

I've found there's a big cultural language problem too and it relates to face saving.

If you're told "that will be difficult", an American think's "OK it hard, but they can do it".

What they're really saying is "Are you on fucking crack round eye? Only in your dreams. That shit ain't never gonna happen!"

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 13, 2012 01:54 AM (MOQU2)

501 *It's highly likely that Romney's team was--compromised. *

Telling people facing job loss and loss of their health insurance: just go to the emergency room. Yeah, this campaign was compromised from the top.

Posted by: CaptainHowdy at December 13, 2012 03:49 AM (8816I)

502 *we wouldn't have lost but for the 65,000,000 dumbasses that make up the Democratic voter base. *

Yup, call anyone with a different point of view a dumbass. That'll win their hearts and minds.

Allow me to fill you in: a large number of Americans have lost their jobs and their health insurance, and the Republican candidate basically tells them to go die somewhere if they get sick. Maybe you don't see the donation jars all over town, where a family is dealing with a prolonged illness and cannot pay their bills. But I do see them, and I think it is pathetic that this country cannot do better.

I've voted Republican since 1988, but no more. I've had enough. Obama won my state of Florida by 74000 votes. My wife and I voted for Obama. Multiply our family by 37000, and there's your answer.

Feel free to call the Democrats the party of free shit if you want. When a whole bunch of soldiers and defense contractors are shown the door in 2013, we'll find out which party sucks at the public teat the most. And you defense contractors reading this, I have some advice for you, WHEN you lose your job next year, don't get sick.

Posted by: CaptainHowdy at December 13, 2012 04:02 AM (8816I)

503
I ended up voting for Twister, puddle of tepid piss that I am, but seriously, the Establishment pick, whoever they be, is dead to me here on out.
I loved the Ryan pick but the GOP will make him look like Boy George when they're thru.

Posted by: gary gulrud at December 13, 2012 04:23 AM (uv0Aw)

504 Posted by: CaptainHowdy

See, like this guy. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that Man, I'm worried that if I lose my job, I won't have health insurance, so I'll vote for the guy most likely to ensure that I lose my job.

Maybe the first time Barry ran, when he didn't have the track record of failure that he has now, it was possible, but after proving that he has the economic shit touch, no, I just don't get it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 13, 2012 07:34 AM (QupBk)

505
the Republican candidate basically tells them to go die somewhere if they get sick.

I hate republicans more than you do. I'm just not as stupid and easily manipulated as you. Birth control and binders bro.

Posted by: Entropy at December 13, 2012 09:59 AM (TULs6)

506 Wait till Obamacare kicks in. Shit gonna get fun. Then you can remember how much democrats care about you.

Posted by: Entropy at December 13, 2012 10:01 AM (TULs6)

507
Romney camp should have hired Glenn Beck to do all their ads, regardless of his sometimes crazy his material is good and very well done.

Posted by: Andrew at December 13, 2012 10:28 AM (zxFKo)

508 well they both spent about the same 1 billion so where did Romneys money go ?

Posted by: occam at December 13, 2012 02:50 PM (hgDJr)

509 I noticed the ad disparity early on in the campaign season. I watched a lot of stuff on Hulu, and I seriously do not recall seeing a single Romney ad there. Obama on the other hand had nearly wall to wall commercials on Hulu.

It's not so much whether or not those particular ads were influential in their own right, rather it was a stark statement of the different mindsets of the two campaigns. Once again Obama's team showed versatility by targeting new and evolving avenues such as streaming media services and in-game advertising with popular video games.

By contrast Romney was saddled with the usual milquetoast Republican insider consultancy, and they laid yet another glorious egg.

Posted by: MissAnthropy at December 14, 2012 02:04 AM (G3G28)

510 so now private equity money management = advertising management ????

really ???

looks like we don't need the MSM to beat up on our guys ...

Posted by: JeffC at December 14, 2012 11:01 AM (A3tpD)

511 510
so now private equity money management = advertising management ????



really ???



looks like we don't need the MSM to beat up on our guys ...

Posted by: JeffC at December 14, 2012 11:01 AM (A3tpD)

Well, he wanted us to believe it equaled "presidenting", so fair is fair, right?

Posted by: Ken at December 14, 2012 12:51 PM (3ar4L)






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