Michigan Poised To Become Nation's 24th Right To Work State

Bigger than Wisconsin, Mike Flynn says, given that Michigan is the home of the UAW.

This is a big step for worker freedom. No longer will workers be coerced into joining a union. No longer will they be forced to see their earnings go to political causes and goals with which they disagree.

...

The fight against public sector unions in Wisconsin was important, in large part, because it was the first state to grant public sector unions collective bargaining rights. Michigan, home to the UAW, is almost a founding state for labor unions in this country. It has a higher percentage of unions members than almost any other state. If union power over individual liberty can be rolled back there, it can be rolled back in Ohio or Pennsylvania, where the GOP controls state government, as well.

President Permanent Campaign had something to say about that, of course.

What we shouldn’t be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. … These so-called right-to-work laws, they don’t have to do with economics; they have everything to do with politics. What they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. … We don’t want a race to the bottom. We want a race to the top. America’s not gonna’ compete based on low-skill, low-wage, no workers’ rights — that’s not our competitive advantage. … It’s also what allows our workers to then by the products that we make, ’cause they’ve got enough money in their pockets.

Just to note for Joe Scarborough -- this is the sort of winning "intellectual" message in America.

Again, I've got nothing against intellectualism. But I have got something against thoughtless puffery. And the sad fact -- fact -- is that it's not actually intellectual messages that win elections. It's stupid chains of nonsequitors like this.

I think the perfect candidate would be a man generally believed to be smart, who, while on the campaign trail, says lots of stupid things, but says these stupid things with "warmth."

Eh, I'm just being bitter (though I think I'm right). But honestly, Scarborough is just using "intellectual" as a synonym for "liberal," which is the whole problem in the first place.

Posted by: Ace at 05:54 PM



Comments

1 Bigger than Michigan, Mike Flynn says, given that Michigan is the home of the UAW.

perhaps the subhead is in error.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (QupBk)

2 But Yea Team anyway.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (QupBk)

3 Michigan is also poised to be the 1st right to work state with nobody working.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (b+jI9)

4 Freedom of Association pretty much guarantees you don't have to associate with people. Strange, huh?

Posted by: not a union worker at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (mjR67)

5
Unions are Anti-Consumer.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (CM59X)

6 Do people still live in Michigan?

Posted by: Witchfinder at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (pLTLS)

7 Bigger than Michigan, Mike Flynn says, given that Michigan is the home of the UAW.

Huh?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (TtXjG)

8 Do people still live in Michigan?

You couldn't prove by me that Michigan exists, or Australia for that matter.

I have been to Iowa though.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (QupBk)

9 @4

I read the Constitution and all I saw was Freedom of Abortion.

Posted by: Liberal at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (a0nis)

10 The way for conservatives to win is through the states.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (t06LC)

11
Americans make cars?

huh.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 05:59 PM (EZl54)

12 Try reading and comprehending.

Posted by: Gerry at December 10, 2012 05:59 PM (2ifWQ)

13 I read the Constitution and all I saw was Freedom of Abortion.


That only applies to militias.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 05:59 PM (YUttk)

14 This calls for giant paper mache heads!

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 05:59 PM (XUKZU)

15

The good news?
Michigan is a right-to-work state.

The bad news?
There is no more industry in Michigan.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:59 PM (XkWWK)

16 The union goons are prepared to burn down the rest of Michigan until it resembles Detroit after the riots

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 06:00 PM (wwsoB)

17 @15

Maybe people will go back there now that they see it is sane.

*waits for union rally pics so he can say "I spoke too soon"*

Posted by: Liberal at December 10, 2012 06:00 PM (a0nis)

18 sock off

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (a0nis)

19 Executive order and or stacked courts to strike down the law in 3... 2... 1...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (XkWWK)

20 So how many months of drumming in the capitol building this time?

Posted by: somebody else, not me at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (nZvGM)

21 My prediction: The anarchists will riot to protect the right of the workers to organize and not see the irony.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (XUKZU)

22 Here's a story of rank hypocrisy for your enjoyment..."Google Avoided $2 Billion in Taxes by Stashing Money in Bermuda: Report"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100296831

Not that I blame them. In fact with over $1 trillion in cash held on US corporation balance sheets overseas, changing the tax rate on earnings repatriation from 35% to 0% would have no impact on the budget and would be equivalent to a $1 trillion economic stimulus as that money was brought back home and invested or paid out as dividends.

In fact the reinvestment or distribution would create tax events making this $1 trillion stimulus additive to the treasury. Easiest thing to do but not for Obama because a) he believes the government is entitled to its vig on these profits and b) it isn't fair.

Posted by: scofflawx at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (N1Rjx)

23 But the drunken, Union potheads from Chrysler get their jobs back, possibly with back pay. The Union Way!

Posted by: It WILL Burn at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (1YIWv)

24 This calls for giant paper mache heads!

They are ramping up as we speak. They will descend on Lansing tomorrow.

As was pointed out on H2, some might be protesting in Detroit and Ann Arbor too, because that's where they believe the capital of Michigan is. It is professional protesters we are talking about here.

Posted by: Jay in Ames at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (i2Lsf)

25 The union goons are prepared to burn down the rest of Michigan until it resembles Detroit after the riots


FIFY

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (YUttk)

26 Dr Spank: "Michigan is also poised to be the 1st right to work state with nobody working."

Nominated for Thread Winner.

I truly wonder if the electorate can put two and two together and note the cause-effect. Perhaps, after the inevitable city bankruptcies and civil collapse (see Detroit West Afghanistan), they're getting a clue.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (eHIJJ)

27 How unenlightened of those fools in MI to push for ideas they believe in. Haven't they heard that the only way to win is to surrender and let it all burn?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (+lsX1)

28
Yaknow, they still might be making cars there if they'd done this about 30 years ago. As it is, the Goonions priced themselves out of the market.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (yiIja)

29
The thing is...'Right To Work' legislation has weathered the legal challenges in other states and become a standing law.

It boils down to the concept of a 'closed shop' being the thing that is unconstitutional and violates people's rights.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (CM59X)

30 There will be lancing in Lansing! It's a good thing I live in an already-right-to-work state.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (a0nis)

31 Michigan is also poised to be the 1st right to work state with nobody working.

That's really funny.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (f88gl)

32
The So-Called President is out campaigning for his next election.
Tyrant Messiah

Posted by: It WILL Burn at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (1YIWv)

33 race to the top, not race to the bottom

hand up, not hand out

just shoot me

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (60GaT)

34 The teleprompter must be on strike.

Posted by: pat at December 10, 2012 06:05 PM (vY2MW)

35 22 Posted by: scofflawx at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (N1Rjx)

Like John "Lord Haw-Haw" Kerry. I had no problem with him avoiding taxes on his yacht by docking it in Rhode Island. It's his hypocrisy that was loathsome when he blasted "the rich" for not paying their fair share and some such bullshit.

Liberalism is insanity of the followers but hypocrisy of the leaders.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:05 PM (XkWWK)

36 So what? Mark Levin and true conservatives keep telling me that Gov. Rick Snyder is a RINO squish sellout. Who cares if he's introducing Right-To-Work into the ground zero heartland of unionism? He's pro-choice, so fuck him.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (TuW+p)

37 Alternate Title :

After Raping and Gutting The American Auto Industry, Union Locusts Move On To Public Sector, Fat Teachers Dues

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (EZl54)

38 Oooooh!

Bigger than *Wisconsin*

Ok. Got it.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 06:07 PM (TtXjG)

39 SCoaMF: "We don't want a race to the bottom. We want a race to the top."

Really? Tell that to the 1%. Then get ready to duck as he tries to cold-cock you, you disingenuous rat.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 06:07 PM (eHIJJ)

40 @36

Stop laying it on so thick, I can hardly breathe here.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:07 PM (a0nis)

41 I think the perfect candidate would be a man generally believed to be smart, who, while on the campaign trail, says lots of stupid things, but says these stupid things with "warmth."

Didn't work for Sarah Palin in 2008 why should it work in 2016 for anyone else?

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (f88gl)

42 He's pro-choice, so fuck him.

yep

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (EZl54)

43 Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (TuW+p)

Fuck you for saying something I agree with.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (GsoHv)

44 Here's one man's view of current intellectualism/liberal/Progg think. I wish I'd said this.

Never surrender to emotional manipulation. Never back down in the face
of nonexistent arguments and appeals to sensitivity and feelings.
Embrace the cruelty. Meet each demand for submission by amping up the
ridicule, jacking up the humiliation, and increasing the pressure of
intellectual precision. Drive the Rabbit People out mercilessly
whenever they show themselves; rest assured they are actively seeking to
do the same to everyone who doesn't submit to their never-ending
demands. Force them to expose their total inability to accept
contradiction and criticism to everyone. Pull their triggers with all
the angst-filled remorse of an ice-cold hitman.



I understand the intrinsically dictatorial nature of the Rabbit People.
As I noted at AG, that is precisely why I give sensitivity-driven
discourse no respect whatsoever. I don't
care if you were
raped every day of the year and twice on Mondays by the family cat,
after which your father killed you with a knife and danced on your
grave. Your
personal victimization grants you neither moral authority nor
intellectual credibility, much less any form of veto on what others are
permitted
to think, say, or feel. XXXXXXXXXXX will always be a bastion of
heterotopic discourse; it would not be unreasonable to think of it and
Alpha Game as the
Wild Hunt for Rabbit People.

Posted by: Embrace the Cruelty at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (ufLRj)

45
Chrysler was forced to hire those guys back...that got fired for drinking and smoking pot during their lunch breaks.

The UAW doesn't care if people get killed in Jeeps put together by workers who are stoned.

Unions are Anti-Consumer.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (CM59X)

46 Bigger than WISCONSIN.

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 06:09 PM (CWlPF)

47 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:05 PM (XkWWK)

It is only hypocritical when YOU do it!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (Cnqmv)

48 Unions are Anti-Consumer.

Unions are anti-labor and anti-worker.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (T0NGe)

49 i wish "political" and "divisive" would stop being talking points for both sides, they're meaningless

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (60GaT)

50 So what? Mark Levin and true conservatives keep telling me that Gov. Rick Snyder is a RINO squish sellout. Who cares if he's introducing Right-To-Work into the ground zero heartland of unionism? He's pro-choice, so fuck him.


Well, FWIW Snyder is going along with the legislature, having done his bit of kicking and screaming.


Snyder is not driving this measure. Snyder is against it and tried to stop it from happening, but not to the point that he's willing to be seen as the guy who veto'd the thing. It's basically Michigan's right wing holding his ass over the fire on this one.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (YUttk)

51
What we shouldn’t be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. … These so-called right-to-work laws, they don’t have to do with economics; they have everything to do with politics. What they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. … We don’t want a race to the bottom. We want a race to the top. America’s not gonna’ compete based on low-skill, low-wage, no workers’ rights — that’s not our competitive advantage. … It’s also what allows our workers to then by the products that we make, ’cause they’ve got enough money in their pockets.

That there's more cubic stoopid in one paragraph than I've seen in quite a while.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 06:11 PM (yiIja)

52 But honestly, Scarborough is just using "intellectual" as a synonym for "liberal," which is the whole problem in the first place.

That's always been the case, eg. David Brooks, Kathleen Parker, Peggy Noonan, David Frum.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 06:12 PM (f88gl)

53 We don’t want a race to the bottom. We want a race to the top.

Yup, cause nothing makes you competitive like being overpaid, underworked, and stoned. And you would know.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 06:12 PM (6TB1Z)

54 Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:07 PM (a0nis)

See, that's the thing. Abortion is an awful thing, but it will not be going away any time soon. So we need to be rational and accept that fact. If a candidate is fiscally conservative, pro-freedom, for limited government, but thinks that women should "have the right to choose," he will be pilloried by some. And that is just not smart.

If abortion is an issue with you, then work locally, but don't kill every viable candidate who isn't pro-life.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (GsoHv)

55 That last block quote? Absolutely dumbfounding.

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (ZA675)

56 oh thank God.

JeffB is back.

I have so missed the SquishyCon drama.

How's President Mitt doing these days , Jeffy?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (EZl54)

57 That there's more cubic stoopid in one paragraph than I've seen in quite a while.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 06:11 PM (yiIja)

Can you imagine being asked to write this stuff in teleprompter format seven days a week!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (Cnqmv)

58
I truly wonder if the electorate can put two and two together and note the cause-effect.
===================================
No. See results, election 2012.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (85EaA)

59 I smile at this small victory. Gotta get em when you can.

Seriously tho, its the public sector unions that gotta go.

Wait....a new chant....Hey hey ho ho, the public sector unions that gotta go.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 10, 2012 06:14 PM (n/ubI)

60 "I think the perfect candidate would be a man generally believed to be smart, who, while on the campaign trail, says lots of stupid things, but says these stupid things with "warmth."

Chauncey Gardner to the white courtesey phone, please.

"That's my cue!" - Joe Biden

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (BAS5M)

61 Rick Perry -- so far as I can assess -- is a smart guy, and he said a number of stupid things on the primary campaign trail, with plenty of warmth, and the GOP chain-whipped him off the scene.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: RamonAllones at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (3lLli)

62 I had always distinguished between GM and Chrysler on the one hand, and Ford on the other. Ford didn't take bailout money, but that was balanced against the fact that they're all UAW.

The fact that the UAW drunkards have been rehired was the final straw. I will buy no car from a UAW plant. Period. Sorry, Ford. I know it isn't your fault, but I cannot support these maggots.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (6TB1Z)

63 The race to the top, or the race to the bottom is fallacious. It is the Rat Race, and if you're in the race, you're still a rat whether you race to the top, or to the bottom.

Posted by: I Choose Not To Run---Calvin Coolidge at December 10, 2012 06:16 PM (1YIWv)

64 Posted by: RamonAllones at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (3lLli)

He did that all himself.

Perry (my guy by the way) fucked up. There is no way to blame anyone else.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:16 PM (GsoHv)

65 Woo-hoo is Christmas gonna fun this year! Dinner's at the home of my retired UAW-president uncle. And I'm sure his overeducated Ivy League Obama-loving son will be there. Along with MSNBC-addicted father, this will be good times. Can't wait for the insane ranting.

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 10, 2012 06:16 PM (j/Uea)

66
How's President Mitt doing these days , Jeffy?


That's quite a lot of dickishness from a newbie. And your contribution to the election was what exactly?

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 06:17 PM (6TB1Z)

67 The local news outlets here in Detroit have been playing clips of the Dem Congressional delegation stating their predictable Lamentations and threats towards the Governor.
They look like such a sorry lot, old and decrepit, white (except for Conyers) and crotchety. Gov. Snyder looks like a hipster compared to these guys, and Snyder is sounding great, he is sticking to the message and the contrast is very obvious. The choice should be crystal clear. The GOP should really play on this visual, but alas, they are the GOP.

Posted by: Quiz1 at December 10, 2012 06:17 PM (cdgHW)

68 Perry was my guy too. His problem was saying anything other than "Texas, #1 in job creation". Those should have been literally the only words out of his mouth the entire campaign.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:19 PM (a0nis)

69 On the right-to-life tangent:

Federal judge rules that NC's "Choose Life" vanity plates are unconstitutional. (Drudge) Because ... FU that's why.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2012 06:19 PM (BAS5M)

70 "If abortion is an issue with you, then work locally, but don't kill every viable candidate who isn't pro-life."

depends. asking conservatives to accept a president open to appointing justices he knows are pro-"Roe," no. governor's races may be a bit diff. depending on the state.

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:19 PM (60GaT)

71

I happen to think that dead babies are pretty dickish, there pep.

But I am willing to learn from JeffB and pep , my veteran SquishyCon betters.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:19 PM (EZl54)

72 36
So what? Mark Levin and true conservatives keep telling me that Gov.
Rick Snyder is a RINO squish sellout. Who cares if he's introducing
Right-To-Work into the ground zero heartland of unionism? He's
pro-choice, so fuck him.


Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (TuW+p)

Seriously? Snyder is pro-life with exceptions, not pro-"choice".

Posted by: HenryMalredo at December 10, 2012 06:20 PM (2aiYI)

73 What they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. … We don’t want a race to the bottom.

What a bunch of Santa Claus bullshit. Hey idiot, its either right to work for whatever wages you can command or no job at all.

I still can't believe the USA re-elected that dumbass.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 10, 2012 06:20 PM (n/ubI)

74
Sadly I suspect union membership in MI won't drop.
The unions will break out the beating chains. Anyone who wants out will have to do it old school style.
This is what this country has become.
I was forced to join a union once while I held part time work at a grocery store. They stole hundreds or thousands of dollars from me while claiming their negotiating got me...well..they never explained what it go me. The fancy healthcare and vacation only kicked in for full timers after 1 year (and part timers after 2, and everyone was part time.) The wage sucked (it was all I could get at the time.) I was making more several years ago at a McDondalds, I ran a staff of 50 at another job I had, but they couldn't do above Minimum wage because that's what the union started people at (so they could pay the old timers crazy amounts of money.) It's kind alike a pyramid scheme.
Then when I quit I think it was like after 18 months of working, I wrote to get my Job card so if I ever needed to come back (needed, not wanted.) I didn't have to pay the initiation fees. Except the union insisted I owed them $50 still (due to some fake month crossover on dues.) I told them to fuck off, it wasn't worht $50 to see if I ever needed to come back. They sent a letter expelling me from the union signed "Faternally yours." I burned it.

Meanwhile I have a cousin, so indoctrinated he doesn't even know what's up. The union gets him a few weeks work every couple of months just so he can stay on the best unemployment scale. Seriously.

Posted by: tsrblke at December 10, 2012 06:21 PM (GaqMa)

75 Seriously? Snyder is pro-life with exceptions, not pro-"choice".

Posted by: HenryMalredo at December 10, 2012 06:20 PM (2aiYI)

He's making fun of Levin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:21 PM (GsoHv)

76 Dropping his G's again.That's how SCoaMF shows he really cares.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 06:21 PM (9XBK2)

77 SCoaMF: "What we shouldn’t be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions..."

The disingenuous rat again spins. Right-to-Work just means you don't have to join a union but you can if you want. You can still bargain both in a union or outside as an individual.

Yeah, GOP, now might be a good time to unspin SCoaMF's yarn before he turns it to whole cloth the masses are ready to wear.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 06:21 PM (eHIJJ)

78 I had always distinguished between GM and Chrysler on the one hand, and Ford on the other. Ford didn't take bailout money, but that was balanced against the fact that they're all UAW.

Posted by: pep


Don't feel at all bad about it.

Ford has and does take gov money in the form of gov 'loans.'

Boooosh signed the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loan Program in 2008, for one. Ford received almost $6 billion for supposed 'green' factory upgrades and fuel economy bullshit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 06:22 PM (TtXjG)

79 "Collective rights" (whatever those are) would seem to be (and are) the antithesis of individual rights, and a means by which Leftism and Leftists can further crush, conform, socialize, and Socialize the individual and sabotage Western Civilization, Capitalism, and Freedom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:22 PM (aLLUm)

80 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (GsoHv)

One of my (probably futile) hopes is that Demint and Heritage will coordinate some of the messaging so conservative candidates will know how to pivot away form media traps yet still give answers. I hate abortion, and I can't imagine the problems faced by many women carrying an unwanted child.

However, I think that if this nation's citizens all agree that partial birth abortion is the sacred solution to that problem, then this nation is way beyond any hope of redemption.

As a more minor point, if we do agree (and this does seem to be a rational consensus) that abortion in some form will never go away, then I cannot see why I should be taxed to pay for your abortion, and especially why I should be forced to give money (via taxes) to PP to help them give abortions.

It seems that if a few points like this were laid out, at least there would be a rational framework for discussion (but I know we are dealing with liberals).

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:22 PM (Cnqmv)

81 I happen to think that dead babies are pretty dickish, there pep.

Well, then, that makes you unique and justifies your idiotic behavior, doesn't it. You earn your right to snark around here, boy.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (6TB1Z)

82 65 Posted by: Pyrocles at December 10, 2012 06:16 PM (j/Uea)


The key is taking their position, taking it to the maximum insane level and then when they stammer and disagree, you call them hypocrites and they shut up!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (XkWWK)

83 @81

bitch.

please.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:24 PM (EZl54)

84 I had forgotten how much I hate unions...and their brainwashed "intellectual " supporters.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 10, 2012 06:24 PM (iEtph)

85

Barky said:
What they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money.

Uh....but that's what raising taxes does -- forces you to work for less money.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:25 PM (CM59X)

86 Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:19 PM (60GaT)

But that's my point. It's not going anywhere near the SCOTUS. No national politician in his right mind would touch abortion, except as a campaign point.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:25 PM (GsoHv)

87 Oh man, the blog is extra crispy today. I shoulda guessed Let It Burn meant flame wars.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 06:26 PM (a0nis)

88 Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:24 PM (EZl54)

Are you Tab Hunter, the gay movie star?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:26 PM (GsoHv)

89 Uh....but that's what raising taxes does -- forces you to work for less money.


Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:25 PM (CM59X)

Isn't that also what enforced union dues collection does as well--make you do the same work for less money?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:26 PM (Cnqmv)

90 "80 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (GsoHv)

One of my (probably futile) hopes is that Demint and Heritage will coordinate some of the messaging so conservative candidates will know how to pivot away form media traps yet still give answers. I hate abortion, and I can't imagine the problems faced by many women carrying an unwanted child.

However, I think that if this nation's citizens all agree that partial birth abortion is the sacred solution to that problem, then this nation is way beyond any hope of redemption.

As a more minor point, if we do agree (and this does seem to be a rational consensus) that abortion in some form will never go away, then I cannot see why I should be taxed to pay for your abortion, and especially why I should be forced to give money (via taxes) to PP to help them give abortions.

It seems that if a few points like this were laid out, at least there would be a rational framework for discussion (but I know we are dealing with liberals).

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:22 PM (Cnqmv) "

One thing worse than an "unwanted pregnancy" would seem to be being conceived in an "unwanted mother," the sort of cunt who would murder you just because not murdering you for nine months seems like too much work and isn't what she "really wants" or "feels like"...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:27 PM (aLLUm)

91 I shoulda guessed Let It Burn meant flame wars.

Better small, controlled flame wars then full-on conflagrations.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 10, 2012 06:27 PM (QF8uk)

92 Pyrocles: "Can't wait for the insane ranting."

I suggest escaping by sneaking out to a Chinese restaurant and ordering a headless duck. And skip the Christmas carols.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 06:27 PM (eHIJJ)

93 The key is taking their position, taking it to the
maximum insane level and then when they stammer and disagree, you call
them hypocrites and they shut up!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (XkWWK)


Senator Obama voted for post-birth abortion. Don't you think that should be part of the Democrat Party Platform?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:28 PM (Cnqmv)

94 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (XkWWK)

You've never met my wife's family....they NEVER shut up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (GsoHv)

95 Bwaahahahahah!

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Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (TtXjG)

96 "93 The key is taking their position, taking it to the
maximum insane level and then when they stammer and disagree, you call
them hypocrites and they shut up!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (XkWWK)


Senator Obama voted for post-birth abortion. Don't you think that should be part of the Democrat Party Platform?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:28 PM (Cnqmv) "

Those who live by abortion can die by abortion.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (aLLUm)

97 How can I earn my pep-snark merit badge?

I really want to make Webelo.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (EZl54)

98 Hey, let it burn will be popcorn-worthy.

Good thing we had that whole purity debate.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (DuynS)

99 I had a friend that worked on the line for GM in the 70s. He said at lunch most people went up on the roof of the buildings to drink and smoke dope. Back then they didn't have to drive somewhere else as the unions were stronger.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 06:30 PM (+paCV)

100 UAW members at GM pay an average of $952.32/yr in dues.

Ford $693.12
Chrysler $699.60

Nationwide Union dues average is $377


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:30 PM (cHr8a)

101 Posted by: weft cut loop at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (TtXjG)

Wait until they gets them some Egyptian M1Abrams' MBTs.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:31 PM (Cnqmv)

102 I think we can all agree that the gubment should fully fund abortion clinics located in heavily democrat areas.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 10, 2012 06:31 PM (b+jI9)

103 Senator Obama voted for post-birth abortion. Don't you think that should be part of the Democrat Party Platform?


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:28 PM (Cnqmv)


Did you miss their convention? Pretty sure it is.

Posted by: huerfano at December 10, 2012 06:31 PM (bAGA/)

104 Yup, cause nothing makes you competitive like being overpaid, underworked, and stoned.


You guys make such a big deal out of them being stoned, they were drunk too. If you knew any better, you'd know that's the greater of the two sins. Alcohol is a harder drug and much more debilitating and judgement-impairing than pot is. Don't believe me, use the scientific method: find a stoner who's high as a kite and an alchie who's drunk off his ass. Ask them both to walk straight and tell me who's worse. Throw a ball at them and see who catches it and who gets smacked, then falls over, then vomits.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:31 PM (YUttk)

105
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Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (yiIja)

106 The JEF is a freaking liar. The law does not threaten collective bargaining. It just protects workers from theft by the goons.

Posted by: eureka! at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (HPRku)

107 Syrian Rebels Debut The Latest In Cutting-Edge Jihadist Technology: The Sham II Homemade Tank…

Check out the controls.

They'd be better off chunking Yugo's in a trebuchet.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (d0Dmj)

108 FL is a right to work state. There's plenty of unions here.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:33 PM (cHr8a)

109 You guys make such a big deal out of them being stoned, they were drunk too.

Well, the truth is I was using stoned as an all-purpose sign of intoxication and disability. I'm willing to concede your point, though.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 06:34 PM (6TB1Z)

110 productive weedheads mayn

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:34 PM (60GaT)

111 Throw a ball at them and see who catches it and who gets smacked, then falls over, then vomits.
Posted by: entropy


Actually I tend to agree with you as far as rote tasks go. If there are decent QCs I imagine cars put together by stoners are about as safe as cars I get back from my mechanic---probably safer.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 06:35 PM (+paCV)

112 Posted by: eureka! at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (HPRku)

I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you to find out that union goons have been stealing from the workers!

Posted by: Captain Renault at December 10, 2012 06:35 PM (Cnqmv)

113 24 states now reject ObamaCare exchanges. http://buff.ly/SMfi7E #tcot #madison_project
Retweeted by Dana Loesch


Gee, almost half of our 57 states have just pissed on Obama.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (TtXjG)

114 Shortage Of Breast Milk Leads To Unique Donation Drive In Sacramento
http://tinyurl.com/akvgmvr

I'll volunteer to siphon!

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (d0Dmj)

115 Is this where we come to quote Selma Hayak?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (jucos)

116 "113 24 states now reject ObamaCare exchanges. http://buff.ly/SMfi7E #tcot #madison_project
Retweeted by Dana Loesch


Gee, almost half of our 57 states have just pissed on Obama."

Why? Why do they hate Socialism???

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:37 PM (aLLUm)

117 >>>Snyder is not driving this measure. Snyder is against it and tried to
stop it from happening, but not to the point that he's willing to be
seen as the guy who veto'd the thing. It's basically Michigan's right
wing holding his ass over the fire on this one.


Oh c'mon, this is the way the game of politics is played. Snyder says "oh noes, I don't think it's a good idea to make right-to-work an issue right now" back in 2011 (note that this was in middle of the Wisconsin conflagration) as a way of quieting fire on his flanks as he's trying to manage the 400 other fires burning in Michigan. Then the unions say "fuck you" and try to ram through that amendment to the state Constitution anyway. Now Snyder has a free hand to act 'more in sorrow than in anger', sign the bill, introduce right-to-work, AND still look like the reasonable, good guy. This is brilliant politics on our part, made possible by the fact that Snyder does a really good job of selling himself as a moderate "business first" guy AND by the ineptitude and venality of his opponents.

Seriously, Snyder could veto this shit if he wanted to. It would be easy. He's still taking a big risk in signing it, endangering his reelection. He's doing it because he wants to, and maneuvered into a position where he could get away with it with the least amount of political damage. I doff my cap.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 06:37 PM (TuW+p)

118 The key is taking their position, taking it to the maximum insane level and then when they stammer and disagree, you call them hypocrites and they shut up!


Culture thing. From what I can tell, most republicans actually hate that more than they hate actual collectivist fiscal policy.


You can be a communist so long as you sound like John Wayne. Works on democrats the same in reverse - you could be Augusto Pinochet in practice and they would still love you so long as speak in marxist analytical terms.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:37 PM (YUttk)

119 Rick Perry -- so far as I can assess -- is a smart guy, and he said a number of stupid things on the primary campaign trail, with plenty of warmth, and the GOP chain-whipped him off the scene. Just sayin'.
Posted by: RamonAllones at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (3lLli)

Perry exercised bad judgement, undergoingmajor back surgery and then attempting a grueling national-levelprimary campaign while under the influence of painkillers. His gaffe-ridden debate performances killed his candidacy, nothing else. No one chain-whipped him anywhere.

Posted by: troyriser at December 10, 2012 06:37 PM (vtiE6)

120 "It's not going anywhere near the SCOTUS. No national politician in his right mind would touch abortion"

well we have 3 anti-"Roe" justices. possibly four. it was taken up 20 years ago after it'd been supposedly settled and it probably will be again in some form in the future.

i'm not saying there's a high likelihood of anything but the set-in-stone thing is exaggerated.

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:38 PM (60GaT)

121 We'll never gain ground if we don't get somebody who can articulate the message for the hoi polloi. Kid Rock, Dennis Miller, as much as I like them, ain't it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 10, 2012 06:38 PM (85EaA)

122 @ 104 I'm guessing the drunk would call off work to pass out and the pothead would call off work to play disc golf and quote "The Big Lebowskie" with his equally stoned buddies.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 10, 2012 06:40 PM (DuynS)

123

Bwaahahahahah!

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Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 06:29 PM (TtXjG)








If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid.

Of course, that bullet magnet isn't gonna last long once someone starts popping off RPGs at it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2012 06:40 PM (TIIx5)

124 The last time I was forced into a union the local treasurer embezzled hundreds of thousands and fled the Country. No police report, no charges. Got a nice letter from leadership explaining why there was no reason to bring in the law though: The treasurer was addicted to narcotics had already spent the money and was really really sorry.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 06:40 PM (+paCV)

125
90...One thing worse than an "unwanted pregnancy" would seem to be being conceived in an "unwanted mother," the sort of cunt who would murder you just because not murdering you for nine months seems like too much work and isn't what she "really wants" or "feels like"...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:27 PM (aLLUm)

---------

Women don't become pregnant all by themselves.
It takes two.

Where is the disdain for all those men out there who participated in creating those 'unwanted' pregnancies?

Men have it within their power to stop all abortions...
Just keep their sperm to themselves until they are married.
Then, they will have some legal rights to the babies that they sire.

For the record, I am pro-life...and think that abortion is horrible.
But I am getting really sick of seeing women demonized for having abortions, as though they got pregnant all by themselves.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (CM59X)

126 "120 "It's not going anywhere near the SCOTUS. No national politician in his right mind would touch abortion"

well we have 3 anti-"Roe" justices. possibly four. it was taken up 20 years ago after it'd been supposedly settled and it probably will be again in some form in the future.

i'm not saying there's a high likelihood of anything but the set-in-stone thing is exaggerated.

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 06:38 PM (60GaT) "

Whenever someone wants you to back down, they always try the "set-in-stone" bullshit.


But if someone actually wants you to back down, that means it isn't set in stone.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (aLLUm)

127 I'm just being bitter (though I think I'm right).


No fair stealing my life motto.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (Gk3SS)

128 i'm not saying there's a high likelihood of anything but the set-in-stone thing is exaggerated.

The left is plenty violent. I imagine most of those justices would like to keep breathing.

The past Breyer and Souter muggings are ample evidence that some segment of society doesn't consider supreme court justices untouchable.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:43 PM (cHr8a)

129
Well, I hope Snyder did something the dems and libs always do, namely, lie your ass off to get elected in a place that wouldn't otherwise elect you.

We need more repubs like that in blue areas.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 10, 2012 06:44 PM (n/ubI)

130 No, there's no vast leftwing conspiracy. Why do you ask?

"Schools are closing for the protest in Lansing tomorow. We've got to find a way to get Obama to take Snydley's bridge money. It would really piss the ass off." --- DKos commentor





L. I. B.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2012 06:45 PM (BAS5M)

131 How does he do it? I mean, two weeks ago, the Union forced Hostess out of business yet today he's taking the side of unions. The deception is deep and will be the death of America aided and abetted by the Press.

Posted by: Daily Dish at December 10, 2012 06:45 PM (+b3dK)

132 Oh c'mon, this is the way the game of politics is played. Snyder says "oh noes, I don't think it's a good idea to make right-to-work an issue right now" back in 2011


Um, whatever, wish-casting. He's doing the super double secret thing, the 3d chess thing. It's a rationalization. If you're going to propose some unseen behind-the-scenes ploy only those in the know can see, at least make it interesting, involve some aliens.


Like that's ever the way it works. I'm not making any great leaps of speculation to spare the guy blame over what my eyes see.


Seriously, Snyder could veto this shit if he wanted to. It would be easy. He's still taking a big risk in signing it, endangering his reelection.


ORLY? LOL do you think he'd be taking a big risk in the next election by vetoing Right To Work passed by his own party in the legislation? He'd face total rebellion.


Fact is, if he has to risk one or the other, he'll sign the bill. But if he had a choice not to risk re-election on either, he'd table the whole issue and avoid it. Which is exactly what he wanted to and tried to do until the legislature forced his hand.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:45 PM (YUttk)

133 Regarding those union workers being rehired:

They will end up like my ex-brother-in-law, a life-long member of the UAW, and an alcoholic.

He got caught drinking on the job, so they put him in an area sorting things when he had been drinking. He was allowed to leave the plant and drink at lunch hour. Numerous arrests for DUI, always sprung from jail by a union attorney. Numerous ineffective rehabs which he would leave early, paid for by unions.

He is now in a nursing home, having suffered a brain injury by falling down and hitting his head when drunk. My nephews have to go take him to dinner once per week and listen to him ramble and talk about people who are no longer living, but he has forgotten. He has tremors and cannot walk well.

So this is what the unions did to one guy. They enabled his destroying his life, his marriage, and his relationship with his sons. He will never recover.

If he had been docked pay and told to dry out when he was younger, he might still be working. Nice job, UAW.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 06:45 PM (GoIUi)

134 A party that debates God's plan for rape babies won't win national elections.

It isn't about being pro-life; it is about arrogant, culture warriors who treat running for public office like they are constantly on the Huckabee show.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 06:46 PM (8Zptr)

135 My Dad used to buy Cadillac Limos starting from the early 60's through the early 2000's. There was a time during the 70's that he purchased one lemon after another. One case in Particular was interesting in that the UAW workers that built this Limo put all of their lunch trash in the doors of the car and were even nice enough to leave a note for the rich SOB that purchased the car. Real class act by these morons. They have been out to kill the companies they work for for 50 years.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 06:46 PM (jucos)

136 But I am getting really sick of seeing women demonized for having abortions, as though they got pregnant all by themselves.


Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (CM59X)

I do not intend anything I say to demonize women for having abortions, but I think it is a moral failing if the woman hasn't figured out that she is going to have an a abortion until nine months in, and I think it is an violation of my First Amendment Religious Freedom Rights to force me to pay for any abortion at any time!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:46 PM (Cnqmv)

137 "125
90...One thing worse than an "unwanted pregnancy" would seem to be being conceived in an "unwanted mother," the sort of cunt who would murder you just because not murdering you for nine months seems like too much work and isn't what she "really wants" or "feels like"...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:27 PM (aLLUm)

---------

Women don't become pregnant all by themselves.
It takes two.

Where is the disdain for all those men out there who participated in creating those 'unwanted' pregnancies?

Men have it within their power to stop all abortions...
Just keep their sperm to themselves until they are married.
Then, they will have some legal rights to the babies that they sire.

For the record, I am pro-life...and think that abortion is horrible.
But I am getting really sick of seeing women demonized for having abortions, as though they got pregnant all by themselves.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (CM59X) "

Women are the, um, gate keepers. They're also the ones murdering the babies (well, ok, hiring professional baby murderers to do the dirty work for them). And their choice in mates is not really my problem or fault.

(Aside from the fact that they tend to be low-IQ imbeciles, and are therefore ruining the gene pool, but we're not allowed to talk about genes. Because Science.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:47 PM (aLLUm)

138 amazing how Romney had the anti-union issue just staring at him with respect to michigan and wisconsin and he just drops that exchange with obama over GM bailouts.

Fucking Ford and all the other automakers didn't need a bailout. And here we are, America, making sure that the good people at GM never have to worry about performance reviews or losing their 6 figure salaries.

Is this anti-union? no (ok, maybe a little, it isn't 1933 after all) anti-worker? no?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 06:48 PM (QxSug)

139 so many straw men.

so little thread.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 06:48 PM (EZl54)

140 You know what I think is really stupid? Honestly, not well thought?


Anyone thinking anyone in Michigan who hates Right To Work and supports unions giving Snyder a pass just because he was personally against it, even though his party passed it and he personally signed it.


If it was positioning, it was dumb positioning. Way to make yourself look squishy and untrustworthy to your base while reaching out to make an appeal for ... absolutely no one, probably not 1 actual voter. How does that sway anyone?

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 06:49 PM (YUttk)

141 I equally don't want to pay for an abortion or the resources required to help support the decision to not abort.

Both are irresponsible.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (8Zptr)

142 They look like such a sorry lot, old and decrepit, white (except for Conyers) and crotchety. Gov. Snyder looks like a hipster compared to these guys, and Snyder is sounding great, he is sticking to the message and the contrast is very obvious. The choice should be crystal clear. The GOP should really play on this visual, but alas, they are the GOP.

Posted by: Quiz1 at December 10, 2012 06:17 PM (cdgHW)


Brilliant! All the GOP has to do is run a bunch of leftist hipsters who will vote in conservative policies "ironically."

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (XvHmy)

143 Men have it within their power to stop all abortions...
Just keep their sperm to themselves until they are married.
Then, they will have some legal rights to the babies that they sire.

For the record, I am pro-life...and think that abortion is horrible.
But I am getting really sick of seeing women demonized for having abortions, as though they got pregnant all by themselves.
Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (CM59X)...........Wrap or fap. Problem solved

Posted by: simply put at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (6AJ1R)

144
Can we put off the Burning for another day?

Tonight's game is Texans (11-1) at Patriots (9-3) .

Probably the best game of the decade...potentially.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (XwIUX)

145 Bigger than Wisconsin? Symbolically perhaps, because of the UAW, but stopping the public employee unions is much more important. Ultimately, the UAW and their employers were subject to market forces, and their membership has been declining for years as a result of their efforts. But the public unions face no such pressures, and their numbers just keep growing. And the fact that their "employer" is broke, and then some? So what? They'll just get their pet legislators to vote them more money.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (WGggC)

146
Posted by: tsrblke at December 10, 2012 06:21 PM (GaqMa)...
.
.
I was forced to join a union once when I worked for a Company as a Security Guard. We were forced to pay full union dues even when we all got bumped back to part time status, it sucked. We tried to dissolve the union once and go to collective barganing,the lawyers came out in droves, and there were threats in abundance.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at December 10, 2012 06:51 PM (OH5k9)

147 It’s also what allows our workers to then by the products that we make, ’cause they’ve got enough money in their pockets.

Again, why can't we call him a Communist

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (duqON)

148 Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 06:45 PM (GoIUi)

____________

But does he vote straight "D"? That's the only thing that matters to the UAW.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (HDgX3)

149 Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 06:46 PM (jucos)


Attempting to rebuild a 77 Trans Am and when I took the carpeting and sound deadener off, I saw painted on the bare floorboard "Vinnie ate here."

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (ZOf1l)

150 Look, a pro-choice Republican actually passing real public policy that will make a real difference in a blue state.

Now let's get back to obsessing over uteruses!

Posted by: McAdams at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (SMxiG)

151 Women are the, um, gate keepers.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:47 PM (aLLUm)


I am the keymaster

Posted by: Rick Moranis at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (XvHmy)

152 Politics is messy. You have to be comfortable with some nuance to win elections in blue states.

There is no solution by which Republicans run 100% social, fiscal, and foreign policy conservatives in every race and win enough seats to sweep into government.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 06:53 PM (8Zptr)

153 "147 It’s also what allows our workers to then by the products that we make, ’cause they’ve got enough money in their pockets.

Again, why can't we call him a Communist

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (duqON) "

Because calling people Communists isn't politically correct. Comrade.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:53 PM (aLLUm)

154 Again, why can't we call him a Communist

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (duqON)

We need to respect our friends across the aisle!

Posted by: Karl Rover at December 10, 2012 06:53 PM (Cnqmv)

155 Time To Euthanize Detroit?

http://politicalhat.com/2012/12/07/time-to-euthanize-detroit/

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 06:54 PM (XvHmy)

156 Once the funds stop rolling into the Dems coffers, the Repubs should roll back the police and fire unions too.
You don't have to hit 'em all at once. Just start to bleed 'em.

Posted by: Iblis at December 10, 2012 06:54 PM (9221z)

157 Man, nothing says "for the children" like shutting down schools to protest right to work laws. They really do care and sacrifice so much. We owe them for working in the profession of their own choosing.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 06:54 PM (mjR67)

158 More DKos commentor pearls:

"Great rhetoric from Obama and I'm overjoyed to see it, but it can't stop there. If Dems want to stay relevant, we need a federal law that makes unionizing a basic human right. We need the feds to take this to court as soon as it's passed and signed -- in this case, perhaps trying to use the phony appropriation clause as a lever to throw the whole thing out. At the very least, we need a federal law that separates benefits won by union members from employees who refuse to join the union -- let 'em negotiate by themselves and see where that gets them."


L. I. B.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2012 06:56 PM (BAS5M)

159 "150 Look, a pro-choice Republican actually passing real public policy that will make a real difference in a blue state.

Now let's get back to obsessing over uteruses!

Posted by: McAdams at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (SMxiG) "

We're not obsessing over uteri. We're talking about murder. But whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:56 PM (aLLUm)

160
Attempting to rebuild a 77 Trans Am and when I took the carpeting and sound deadener off, I saw painted on the bare floorboard "Vinnie ate here."

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 06:52 PM (ZOf1l)

------------------------
Rolled up in a Coke can in the door were notes in 4 different hands talking about the rich fuckers who buy these cars. My Dad couldn't believe it. There were sandwich and fruit leftovers too.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 06:57 PM (jucos)

161 We're not obsessing over uteri. We're talking about murder. But whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:56 PM (aLLUm)

Technically, I think it is infanticide, but murder will do!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:57 PM (Cnqmv)

162 My preference now is let it burn writ large.Let the left have everything they want,abortions,gay marriage,drug legalization(not strictly left but whatever),high taxes etc etc.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 06:57 PM (9XBK2)

163 "161 We're not obsessing over uteri. We're talking about murder. But whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:56 PM (aLLUm)

Technically, I think it is infanticide, but murder will do!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:57 PM (Cnqmv) "

Infanticide isn't murder?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:58 PM (aLLUm)

164
Women are the, um, gate keepers. They're also the ones murdering the babies (well, ok, hiring professional baby murderers to do the dirty work for them). And their choice in mates is not really my problem or fault.

(Aside from the fact that they tend to be low-IQ imbeciles, and are therefore ruining the gene pool, but we're not allowed to talk about genes. Because Science.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:47 PM (aLLUm)

--------------

Gate keepers?
That's bullshit.
An unwantedpregnancyresults from a hard on.
So you're saying that it's the woman's fault for engaging in consentual sex?
And the male partner is just the innocent lamb who was seduced into the wanton debauchery?

Just because a man gets to walk away from a pregnancy that he helped create...doesn't mean he is any less complicit in the murder of that fetus.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:59 PM (CM59X)

165 **for the children**

it's more like these donks hold the rest of us hostage if they don't get their juice.

Because you notice, either through union thugs or during budget cutbacks, that they always shutdown the front end of the govt first, the police, firefighters, garbage, and teachers and NOT the administrators who play solitaire all day or the consultants who draw $400K (i.e., wives of politicians).

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (QxSug)

166 A key that unlocks every/most locks is called a Master Key.

A lock that unlocks for every/most any key is not valued or honored.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (BAS5M)

167

'77 Trans Am?

if my mamory serves me...

1st year with the rectangular headlamps?

then in '79 the headlights were changed slightly with a little piece of moulding separated them (new moulded bumper and grill)

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (XwIUX)

168 "162 My preference now is let it burn writ large.Let the left have everything they want,abortions,gay marriage,drug legalization(not strictly left but whatever),high taxes etc etc.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 06:57 PM (9XBK2) "

Well, that's probably what we'll end up doing. Anything less wouldn't be politically correct...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (aLLUm)

169 Infanticide isn't murder?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:58 PM (aLLUm)


Not anymore it ain't!

Posted by: N.O.W. at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (XvHmy)

170 those two stories about finding shit in US union thug cars are insane!

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (QxSug)

171
158 - I know picking on liberal "logic" is like shooting fish in a barrel (with a Bob Costas-approved gun, of course), but are liberals really so dumb that they can't see the stupidity of "a federal law that separates benefits won by union members from employees who refuse to join the union"? The employer will just give the benefits to the non-members out of the goodness of their hearts, and rub the union leaders' noses in it.
I work for a company that makes sure that all of our non-union plants have better benefits than our union facilities. Irritates the shit out of them.

Posted by: Ted K. at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (WGggC)

172
We're not obsessing over uteri. We're talking about murder. But whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

How many of these murders have politicians like Akin and Santorum saved?

How about we first focus on problems politicians can actually address and make a difference?

Posted by: McAdams at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (SMxiG)

173 Infanticide isn't murder?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:58 PM (aLLUm)

Details, details!

I think infanticide is a particularly vile category of murder, and those that commit it deserve the lowest levels of Hades, but that is just me.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (Cnqmv)

174 Shit you want pro-choice? Vote for me mother fucker and I'll let you kill the baby after you have it.

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (/YJYi)

175 Infanticide or murder...the kind of public policy discussion that leads to a double digit national loss in women's votes.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (8Zptr)

176

Did the '77 still come with the big block?

or is that the year it was changed to a small block 400?

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (XwIUX)

177 Now let's get back to obsessing over uteruses!


It's spelled FET-uses, and you used to be one.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:02 PM (EZl54)

178 Infanticide or murder...the kind of public policy discussion that leads to a double digit national loss in women's votes.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (8Zptr)


Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

Posted by: Kang at December 10, 2012 07:02 PM (XvHmy)

179 "164
Women are the, um, gate keepers. They're also the ones murdering the babies (well, ok, hiring professional baby murderers to do the dirty work for them). And their choice in mates is not really my problem or fault.

(Aside from the fact that they tend to be low-IQ imbeciles, and are therefore ruining the gene pool, but we're not allowed to talk about genes. Because Science.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 06:47 PM (aLLUm)

--------------

Gate keepers?
That's bullshit.
An unwantedpregnancyresults from a hard on.
So you're saying that it's the woman's fault for engaging in consentual sex?
And the male partner is just the innocent lamb who was seduced into the wanton debauchery?

Just because a man gets to walk away from a pregnancy that he helped create...doesn't mean he is any less complicit in the murder of that fetus.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:59 PM (CM59X) "

Look, you know I'm right, and are mostly wasting my time out of some peculiar sense of "sexual solidarity" (and perhaps personal animus).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:02 PM (aLLUm)

180 wow

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:03 PM (nqBYe)

181 #148 To answer your question, yes, he votes straight D, if he still votes. Probably the union brings a ballot to the nursing home.

I told this sad story because the unions are not really looking after the workers at all, just whipping them into a frenzy and using them. As far as the bosses are concerned, they are cannon fodder.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:04 PM (GoIUi)

182 Just because a man gets to walk away from a
pregnancy that he helped create...doesn't mean he is any less complicit
in the murder of that fetus.



Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:59 PM (CM59X)

Gee, I wonder if the impregnated female was aware that the impregnating male could just walk away. leaving her with the responsibility of the "lump of fetal tissue", or did she expect that he would be there for her and the child until death did them part?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:04 PM (Cnqmv)

183 114 Shortage Of Breast Milk Leads To Unique Donation Drive In Sacramento
http://tinyurl.com/akvgmvr

I'll volunteer to siphon!
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (d0Dmj)


Excellent! A charitable function I can both support and participate in.

Two handed, too.

Denise Milani. Front and Center.

...and no, I don't care if they've been to the body shop. In fact, it will increase my charitable contribution.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 10, 2012 07:05 PM (MnllE)

184 >>>If abortion is an issue with you, then work locally, but don't kill every viable candidate who isn't pro-life.

At what level? Did we Kill Cristie? Brown? Kirk? Ok there was COD, but CODs problem wan't simply being a solid conservative other than being pro choice either.

So what are you saying. Don't try to make pro-life a plank I expect to see in a Presidential Candidate? If so pound sand.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:05 PM (0q2P7)

185 Men need women as a civilising force,it has always been thus.If women demanded more from men,we would have better men.Sex is an incredibly strong incentive.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:05 PM (9XBK2)

186 "172
We're not obsessing over uteri. We're talking about murder. But whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

How many of these murders have politicians like Akin and Santorum saved?

How about we first focus on problems politicians can actually address and make a difference?

Posted by: McAdams at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (SMxiG) "

Akin? None. Santorum? Some. But hey, rolling over is paramount...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (aLLUm)

187
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:04 PM (GoIUi)
------------------
The UAW members are parallel Palestinians.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (jucos)

188 *19th amendment *

what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (EZl54)

189 Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (8Zptr)

Last time I looked, this is a smart military blog (hard to believe I know), NOT A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN VENUE.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (Cnqmv)

190 Yep, federal abortion policy has been helped by the national discussion over rape conception.

Losing the opportunity to appoint judges sucks, but not as much as avoiding a position that would never influence federal policy.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (8Zptr)

191 I saw painted on the bare floorboard "Vinnie ate here."

That sort of "workman's note" is a time honored tradition going back thousands of years. Anyone who had worked on old houses or antique furniture has seen lots of them.

I've written them on sub flooring, tucked notes inside a wall I had opened up, etc.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (cHr8a)

192 abortion?

sigh.

Brought up during VP debate?

wasn't this an election about the economy?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 07:06 PM (QxSug)

193 Hrothgar, it could be either or. some men promise the moon until responsibility comes knocking.

I'm sure you're a righteous guy, but some aren't.

Anyway i've read mle pills might arrive shortly on the cene g-d willing, I suggest men use them.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:07 PM (nqBYe)

194 "175 Infanticide or murder...the kind of public policy discussion that leads to a double digit national loss in women's votes.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (8Zptr) "

No. It mostly leads to the more homosexually-inclined pontificating on the virtues of homosexuality.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:07 PM (aLLUm)

195 male-scene

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:08 PM (nqBYe)

196 The discussion is how the above happened in Michigan weeks after a national election loss, and specifically a loss in Michigan.

This is good news, and since I am not a LIB fatalist, I'd like to see more good news.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:09 PM (8Zptr)

197 wheatie....tea.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:09 PM (nqBYe)

198 Was going to locate some servers in Detroit once. The path from the previous location in Indiana was time sensitive, so we did a dry run to time the travel. The roads were so terrible in Detroit we determined the servers would never make it through there alive. Changed plans and didn't move them. I can only assume the pothole money goes into someones pocket instead of the holes.

Posted by: Whatev at December 10, 2012 07:09 PM (2t6Gz)

199
My older brother's friend worked on the Vega line after automation. He said the workers were so pissed they would come back from lunch and toss an empty coke can inside a door or half a tuna sandwich under a backseat.

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:10 PM (Sptt8)

200 Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:00 PM (XwIUX)

Yep, but had the small t-tops that I didn't like. 78 was my favorite year of that style, but couldn't find one.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:10 PM (ZOf1l)

201 I didn't chime in on the "intellectuals" thread, but since Ace mentioned it.

I am sick and tired of intellectuals because they're so stupid.

Not just bien pensants, not just intellectually incurious, genuinely stupid.

They are manifestly stupid. You don't think you get a Ph.D. in something that ends in studies because you turned down an astrophysics career, do you?

You know what the hot thing is? "Different kinds of intelligence."

Yeah, yeah, keep thinkin' that.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 10, 2012 07:11 PM (T0NGe)

202 #194

You seem to struggle with nuance. Let me help.

Pro-life = Good
Pro-life with extra murder, infanticide, no exceptions rhetoric = Bad

Traditional Marriage = Good
Traditional Marriage with weird man/dog babbling = Bad

Easy enough?

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:11 PM (8Zptr)

203 Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:07 PM (nqBYe)


Unfortunately, I think that the mantle of righteousness can be assumed by many that are not, but that doesn't mean any woman should not have a high level of personal responsibility regarding a potential child.

Even the innocent righteous can get hit by a bus on the way home!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:11 PM (Cnqmv)

204
Look, you know I'm right, and are mostly wasting my time out of some peculiar sense of "sexual solidarity" (and perhaps personal animus).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:02 PM (aLLUm)

----------

No sir.
I know that you seem to think that you are right.

It takes two to cause a pregnancy.
All I am saying is...that if more men took responsibility for the 'unwanted' pregnancies that they participated in creating, then we would probably have a lot fewer abortions.

There are more men out there who want abortion to be legal, than women.
Yet women are the ones that seem to get blamed.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 07:12 PM (CM59X)

205 Up until last month, Snyder had proclaimed that right-to-work was not on his agenda. But on Nov. 06, Michiganders rejected an amazingly thuggish attempt by Big Labor to pass an amendment to the state constitution prohibiting the legislature from ever passing right-to-work.

When Snyder saw this not just fail but crash and burn 58 to 42 percent, he said carpe diem to his fellow Pubs in the state house & senate. They struck so fast even the SEIU couldn't get enough of their goons on the Lansing capitol steps in time. Synder issued this public pronouncement yesterday morning, arguing for "Work Fairness & Equity" legislation. Note the brilliant reframe of "worker freedom" --

Within hours, both senate and house had passed their bills with a 1 million dollar appropriation, voiding any chance of a voter referendum being put on the ballot. Snyder pulled off a stunning coup. Big Labor and the Dems are flat on their backsides wondering what truck just ran them over. And here's the kicker: the legislation exempts police and firefighter unions. Fiendishly clever.

Posted by: Whatev at December 10, 2012 07:13 PM (2t6Gz)

206 "202 #194

You seem to struggle with nuance. Let me help.

Pro-life = Good
Pro-life with extra murder, infanticide, no exceptions rhetoric = Bad

Traditional Marriage = Good
Traditional Marriage with weird man/dog babbling = Bad

Easy enough?

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:11 PM (8Zptr) "

No. Your stupid Antisantorum trolling is too deep for me.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:13 PM (aLLUm)

207 Re partial birth abortion:

In order to have one, you have to go into labor and partially deliver a child, whereupon it is murdered and then completely delivered, dead.

If you are going to go through the labor and delivery, why not just give the baby up for adoption? Why have it killed?

I do not understand this. It seems to me either revenge on the father ("HAHA I killed your child!") or a psychotic desire to have the baby killed for some twisted reason.

And I am not even going into te types of doctors who would do this.

My uncle, who is a vet, used to get people who were moving and wanted their pets put to sleep, for no reason but convenience. So he would say "Ok," and charge them. Then the pets would come to live on my parents' farm. We had an English bulldog , a Manx cat, and a Springer spaniel (amongst others) who lived out their days in happiness.

I think we should set up partial birth abortion clinics which do the same thing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:14 PM (GoIUi)

208 @196

Because the unionistas, already having bled the corpse of the US auto makers , didn't fight very hard for Wisconsin where Scott Walker (R) won a recall election? and subsequently reallocated UAW legal resources to fight for other fatter public sector Union dues-paying targets ?

just guessin..

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:14 PM (EZl54)

209 On top of all that, the GOP made it an appropriation bill by appropriating 1M to something in the bill, voiding any possibility of a referendum later to repeal the bill.

Posted by: Whatev at December 10, 2012 07:14 PM (2t6Gz)

210 See this discussion thread?

Don't ask why you lose.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2012 07:15 PM (bxiXv)

211 Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 07:12 PM (CM59X)


Here we definitely agree, I think the abortion laws, and easy access to contraceptives are primarily driven by males that want to ensure that they have an easy out and a way to shift responsibility fro potential children!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:15 PM (Cnqmv)

212 "204
Look, you know I'm right, and are mostly wasting my time out of some peculiar sense of "sexual solidarity" (and perhaps personal animus).

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:02 PM (aLLUm)

----------

No sir.
I know that you seem to think that you are right.

It takes two to cause a pregnancy.
All I am saying is...that if more men took responsibility for the 'unwanted' pregnancies that they participated in creating, then we would probably have a lot fewer abortions.

There are more men out there who want abortion to be legal, than women.
Yet women are the ones that seem to get blamed.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 07:12 PM (CM59X) "

You want to fuck "thrash" and murder babies? Yeah, I'm going to blame you.

You want to blame me? I'm not going to pretend I'm stupid.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:16 PM (aLLUm)

213 If sticking to a consistent message is too difficult for a candidate, that is their problem not mine.

I don't give a shit about Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, or Rick Snyder net of them voting for smaller government. I'd vote for zombie Rick James if he consistently reduced government and lowered taxes.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:17 PM (8Zptr)

214 Unfortunately, I think that the mantle of
righteousness can be assumed by many that are not, but that doesn't mean
any woman should not have a high level of personal responsibility
regarding a potential child.

(I agree with that and the final act most often rest on her shoulders) still men, if they have any decency should avail themselvs of the condom so as to not have their sex a thon cause the death of someone that didn't have a choice in the matter.

Even the innocent righteous can get hit by a bus on the way home!
(True)


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:11 PM (Cnqmv)

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:17 PM (nqBYe)

215

>>> Posted by: ette

a name change!

pretty sneaky, sis

why am I always the last to know...

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:17 PM (XwIUX)

216 they would come back from lunch and toss an empty coke can inside a door or half a tuna sandwich under a backseat.

Illegals doing sheetrock work do that now too. They just toss their lunch garbage in the walls and rock over it. If there's an empty 6-pack of beer bottles laying there, they rock over it and the wall will have a big lump in it. Dead animals - rock right over them.

They get paid by the sheet, not by the hour. Anything not involved in hanging rock is ignored. If cutting out for an electrical box is inconvenient or they're in a hurry - they rock right over it and there's a lump where the box ishiding underneath. Electricians hate sheetrockers.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 07:17 PM (cHr8a)

217

How's President Mitt doing these days , Jeffy?

That's quite a lot of dickishness from a newbie. And your contribution to the election was what exactly? : pep



I've been here longer than most of you.

Hey, JeffB, how's President Mitt?

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:19 PM (UaxA0)

218 sooth, ack, I've been ranting in names all along
piss'd off ette
very very piss'd off ettte.
and today my just ette, I cannot decide if I'm angry or apathetic from moment to moment!
one thing i'm not feeling is willow-isha

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:19 PM (nqBYe)

219 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2012 07:15 PM (bxiXv)


This is why I would hope DeMint attempts to create a "strategy" that prevents this sort of thing from happening in an election venue. I hopt to God there aren't any potential conservative candidates commenting here, because if there are, then the country is screwed even worse than I thought, and I am convinced we are in the end times!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:19 PM (Cnqmv)

220 Can we put off the Burning for another day?



Tonight's game is Texans (11-1) at Patriots (9-3) .



Probably the best game of the decade...potentially.





Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 06:50 PM (XwIUX)

________________
Why we lose and they win.
They call people about Fiscal Cliff issues.

We watch felons throwing a ball around.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:20 PM (HDgX3)

221 >>>There are more men out there who want abortion to be legal, than women.
Yet women are the ones that seem to get blamed.



According to NRO/Gallup

Men 38% Pro Choice 53% Pro Life
Women 44% Pro Choice 46% Pro Life

Not trying to make a point. Just stick with the facts.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:20 PM (0q2P7)

222
If you would pay people lotsa monies to carry their pregnancies to term and let them be adopted, a whole new cottage industry would spring up.
And wouldn't the abortionists be pissed that doctors aren't allowed to form unions to fight it?
Maybe they'd come right out and admit they are not doctors as they have rejected their oath.

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:21 PM (Sptt8)

223 16
The union goons are prepared to burn down the rest of Michigan until it resembles Detroit after the riots
xxx

Last time I heard, there are more registered Michigan hunters than there are people in the Canadian army. And remember- Michigan elected a Republican house, senate and governor.

/as an aside, also heard that this is in response to the unions trying to shove their way into the Michigan constitution. They lost, and have empowered the right to work types.

Posted by: shibumi at December 10, 2012 07:22 PM (z63Tr)

224 Not sure how environmentalists have standing to sue on behalf of the flea beetle, but no one has standing to sue on behalf of an unborn baby. Need a GOP intellectual to look into it.

Posted by: Whatev at December 10, 2012 07:22 PM (2t6Gz)

225
Gee, I wonder if the impregnated female was aware that the impregnating male could just walk away. leaving her with the responsibility of the "lump of fetal tissue", or did she expect that he would be there for her and the child until death did them part?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:04 PM (Cnqmv)

----------

So you're saying that it's always the 'woman's fault'.

Did the 'impregnating male' warn the female in advance that he was going to be an asshole and walk away from any pregnancy that might resultfrom their having sex?
I doubt it.
That's not something that people talk aboutin the heat of the moment.

I know first hand, that despite one's best efforts to prevent a pregnancy...one of those little swimmers can get through.
My husband and I had this happen to us, twice.
But we were married and didn't even think about having an abortion...and welcomed those children into our lives.

Ican only imagine what a gutwrenching decision it must be for most women who opt for ending a pregnancy.
Or at least...it should be.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 07:22 PM (CM59X)

226 Man this is getting deep. Anyway, upthread on the Trans Am question, the '77 and '78 came equipped with the Pontiac 400 small block with a little over 200 horsepower. In '79 the pussies at GM caved to the CARB fascists and made GM add an Oldsmobile 403 cubic inch engine with around 180 horsepower. That engine was nothing more than a glorified Olds 350. Fortunately, they still offered the Pontiac 400 until "gulp" the first 3 years of the 80's.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:23 PM (ZOf1l)

227 There are more men out there who want abortion to be legal, than women.
Yet women are the ones that seem to get blamed.



Actually I think it's the other way around. Slightly more men are pro-life.


Also, they may be complicit in the pregnancy but that doesn't make them complicit in the abortion. They may not even know about it. And they have no legal rights in the matter.


It's not misogyny, it's not 'lets pick on women' day. Women get blamed because they're the ones who have them. Kind of silly to suddenly demand we start blaming men for having abortions just to fill the fairness quota.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 07:23 PM (YUttk)

228 Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:19 PM (UaxA0)

Fuck you old man.

[Please....tell me I don't need a smiley face]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:24 PM (GsoHv)

229 @ 216 - So now we've learned our lesson. Pay more for white folks and get the job done correctly.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 10, 2012 07:24 PM (DuynS)

230


Also, they may be complicit in the pregnancy but that doesn't make them
complicit in the abortion. They may not even know about it. And they
have no legal rights in the matter.



Yeah, this last part might have more than a little bit to do with teh blame part, wheatie.



Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (UaxA0)

231 wear a condom. when the pills for men come out use them.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (nqBYe)

232

CBD, I'd be disappointed if I saw a smiley from you.


lol

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (UaxA0)

233 Not sure how environmentalists have standing to sue
on behalf of the flea beetle, but no one has standing to sue on behalf
of an unborn baby. Need a GOP intellectual to look into it.

Posted by: Whatev at December 10, 2012 07:22 PM (2t6Gz)

Priorities, comrade, priorities!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (Cnqmv)

234 "231 wear a condom. when the pills for men come out use them.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (nqBYe) "

Don't murder babies.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (aLLUm)

235 Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:21 PM (Sptt

Think through the unintended consequences....they are pretty shitty.

But it's still a good idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (GsoHv)

236

I miss the old Toronadoes and Rivieras.

Even as a kid seeing no "hump" in the Toronado was cool, I dunno why.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (XwIUX)

237 Oh how sweet the forced dues of the original fucking UAW with it's own private club and golf course will not be shutting down, since every fucking union member will keep their money and tell the UAW to get fucked.

What is best in life?



http://tinyurl.com/d2qplz


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (wR+pz)

238 Men always pay for sex. In dollars , or reciprocity, chores/favors, etc.

Or votes.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (EZl54)

239 According to NRO/Gallup

Men 38% Pro Choice 53% Pro Life
Women 44% Pro Choice 46% Pro Life

Not trying to make a point. Just stick with the facts.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:20 PM (0q2P7)

____________________
Gallup? The same poll that said Romney was leading by 7% a week before the election?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (HDgX3)

240 Don't murder babies.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (aLLUm)
Mirror, we agree.

and to help with that,wear condoms .

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (nqBYe)

241 220 To be fair,they aren't ALL felons.Well,not convicted anyway.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (9XBK2)

242
wear a condom. when the pills for men come out use them.


Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:25 PM (nqBYe)

I'm good, had my testes tube-tied back in '97. Still won't stop an STD so I'll just fap, condoms suck.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (ZOf1l)

243 >>>Ican only imagine what a gutwrenching decision it must be for most women who opt for ending a pregnancy.
Or at least...it should be.

Yes, the decision between should I go through 9 months of pregnancy, and then put this baby up for adoption or should I kill it. Going with the latter should make you feel sick.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (0q2P7)

244 You should be able to buy a kidney and a baby. Anyone willing to sell you their baby is probably not the best candidate for maternity anyway.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (QupBk)

245 How many Microsoft Points is that Syrian Sham Wow 2 Tank?

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (NIZHJ)

246 >>>I've been here longer than most of you.

Not me, but why does it matter anyway? Is this a dick-measuring contest?

>>>Hey, JeffB, how's President Mitt?

He'd be doing a much better job than the current asshole or any of the losers he ran against in the primary. People who make this attack don't seem to understand what Ace pointed out a couple weeks ago: it's intellectually bankrupt. Posit an alternative that was on offer that would have done better without making us all laugh our asses off, and then you've got the beginning of an argument. Until such point you're making no point at all, just lashing out. I don't regret my support for Romney one iota. (And besides, everyone conscientiously forgets that I was a Pawlenty supporter, then a Perry supporter, long before I got on the Romney boat.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (/COnL)

247 "240 Don't murder babies.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (aLLUm)
Mirror, we agree.

and to help with that,wear condoms .

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (nqBYe) "

Look, if you don't want to have someone's child, don't have sex with them. Not rocket science. And not my problem.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (aLLUm)

248 and to help with that,wear condoms .


Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:27 PM (nqBYe)

Civilized men agree with you on that, but there are many uncivilized ones out there that I would not trust to walk my dog, let alone date my daughter.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (Cnqmv)

249

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:21 PM (Sptt

Think through the unintended consequences....they are pretty shitty.

But it's still a good idea.


It's around, but extrememly rare. Friends did this in a state where prisoners cannot get abortions, so they paid the mom for carrying to term. She openly stated that she would have had an abortion if she could have. It wasn't a rape or anything, and this woman had several other children. Just didn't want this one and couldn't dispose of it because of the state law.

It won't work, even if we tried. Nine months is too long for the FSA whores to wait.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (UaxA0)

250 >>>Gallup? The same poll that said Romney was leading by 7% a week before the election?

I could pull other sources if you doubt the accuracy offer your own poll ass.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:30 PM (0q2P7)

251 Anyway i've read mle pills might arrive shortly on the cene g-d willing, I suggest men use them.

Would you trust men simply on their say-so? With condoms you can at least see them.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 07:30 PM (f88gl)

252 Samuel , haha yes i've heard many times condoms suck.

vasectomy is great ,or tubal ligations for those that really don't want kids.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:30 PM (nqBYe)

253 Yes, the decision between should I go through 9
months of pregnancy, and then put this baby up for adoption or should I
kill it. Going with the latter should make you feel sick.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (0q2P7)

__________________________
What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle? Or the woman's father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just have the baby. It's only 9 months.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (HDgX3)

254
When my husband was in his OB residency he had a choice of walking a few blocks from the hospital to do a few abortions a week or spend all day driving to a rural area to work in an OB clinic.
Wait and see; SCOAMTTcare will force med students to be made up according to a diversity formula regardless of aptitude, force med students to perform abortions and force Catholic hospitals to provide abortions.
Oh, the hospitals might do it in another building, but they'll do it. The nuns are too old and few, and the "ethicists" can rationalize anything in support of the SCOAMTT, progressivism and $$$.

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (Sptt8)

255 Would you trust men simply on their say-so? With condoms you can at least see them.

And they have ribs, for her pleasure, unless you put them on inside out.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (QupBk)

256 Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at December 10, 2012 07:26 PM (XwIUX)

I have owned Pontiacs pretty much my whole adult life UNTIL 2009. Now I wouldn't care if all of GM died in a fucking fire.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (ZOf1l)

257

So what? Mark Levin and true conservatives keep telling me that Gov.
Rick Snyder is a RINO squish sellout. Who cares if he's introducing
Right-To-Work into the ground zero heartland of unionism? He's
pro-choice, so fuck him.


Until such point you're making no point at all, just lashing out.

do tell.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (EZl54)

258 I could pull other sources if you doubt the accuracy offer your own poll ass.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:30 PM (0q2P7)

________________
Point is polls are useless. Bunch of people will say I'm pro-life in the abstract. But when it comes to elections, they're obviously not. Just like in the abstract most people want govt to cut spending, until it comes to elections and then the majority wants more spending.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (HDgX3)

259 UAW golf course. For the workers, of course.



http://tinyurl.com/48glnn

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (wR+pz)

260 >>>Posit an alternative that was on offer that would have done better without making us all laugh our asses off

How about this. We lost. So badly we are pretty much giving away the farm. I have a hard time believing any other candidate would have left us in a worse position.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (0q2P7)

261 Michael Moore hardest hit....wait a second...

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 07:33 PM (sqp6o)

262 I swear. Just the tip.

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:33 PM (NIZHJ)

263 decaf, good question. We find many on both sides should probably not be trusted with such a momentous decision .
double up isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:33 PM (nqBYe)

264

He'd be doing a much better job than the current asshole or any of the losers he ran against in the primary.



I didn't forget he wasn't your first call, and there's little to recommend any of the other losers (saying this as a lukewarm Perryite and then a reluctant Santorumist).

Just don't like seeing the noobs getting pushed around for noobness.

The Free Shit Army was nigh-on unstoppable this time around, but picking the monopoly man didn't help.

I will say that teh idea we can win with a moderate candidate alone was well and truly debunked though.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:33 PM (UaxA0)

265 "253 Yes, the decision between should I go through 9
months of pregnancy, and then put this baby up for adoption or should I
kill it. Going with the latter should make you feel sick.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:28 PM (0q2P7)

__________________________
What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle? Or the woman's father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just have the baby. It's only 9 months.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (HDgX3) "

What if you didn't suffer from grotesque ADD and a necessity to parrot Leftist talking points. You want a fucking answer? Fine, here it is: Murder the fucking baby, you fucking fucker. Happy?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:34 PM (aLLUm)

266 Hondas, Toyotas, or Nissan for me from now on, assuming I can ever afford to but another car (even a used one). No matter what, it will NOT be GM or Chrysler!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:34 PM (Cnqmv)

267 Just don't like seeing the noobs getting pushed around for noobness.

We're normally a warm and welcoming crowd.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:34 PM (QupBk)

268 Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:29 PM (UaxA0)

Treat it as an intellectual exercise (ACE! Look over here!)

Unrestricted baby buying in the U.S. means lots of well-off couples who want babies will no longer adopt crack babies and Romanian orphans and Chinese girls whose parents simply dumped them, etc. They will pay the middle class white girl from Wisconsin or California to go to term.

So what happens to the other kids?

See? It sucks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (GsoHv)

269 >>>Gallup? The same poll that said Romney was leading by 7% a week before the election?

I don't even think that's the issue, so much as it is the fact that the term "pro-life" is being defined very differently by a lot of these respondents than the hardcore anti-abortion types would. A person whose view is "gosh, I don't like abortions, they're horrible, I wouldn't want to have one, but I can see why they should still be legal, perhaps in some limited cases" is almost certainly going to describe himself as "pro-life." But a lot of people here would froth and shriek and say that NO WAY could that person be "pro-life" because "pro-life" to them means no exceptions whatsoever, even for rape or incest or the life of the mother, etc. etc.

In truth, a very small minority of the population would support banning abortion outright, in all cases, with no exceptions. I'm guessing something around 35% as an upper-bound. A MAJORITY would support banning something like partial-birth abortion, however...so hey, let's start there instead of, instead of "rape babies are a gift from God."

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (/COnL)

270 Like I always say, Want too see the future of our country LOOK AT DETROIT, thats what we are doomed for the future...

Posted by: Clemenza at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (lewKL)

271 264 Next time I say we go full Monopoly man.Top hat,cane,monocle,money spilling out of his pockets.Let's run Mr.Peanut!

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (9XBK2)

272 I don't get the argument that the FSA is so strong that we have to LIB but that a more conservative candidate would have won.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (8Zptr)

273 266 I have been driving Toyotas since 1996. On my second. Minimal upkeep.

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (NIZHJ)

274 need to finish making dinner, i will hide the knives after i finish cutting the veggies.

Posted by: ette at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (nqBYe)

275 Yo ho bring me some mo money...

Posted by: Clemenza at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (lewKL)

276 262
I swear. Just the tip.


Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:33 PM (NIZHJ)

Please put it all in. No a promise is a promise, no more for you.

Oh, and I won't cum in your mouth, promise.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (wR+pz)

277 What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle? Or the woman's
father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just have the baby.
It's only 9 months.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (HDgX3) "



What if you didn't suffer from grotesque ADD and a necessity to
parrot Leftist talking points. You want a fucking answer? Fine, here
it is: Murder the fucking baby, you fucking fucker. Happy?

_________________


Murder is murder? OK so if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him, off to jail you go. Murder is murder right Mr. Absolute? It's so sad knowing we will never win another election because of Akin type douches like you.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (HDgX3)

278 Would you trust men simply on their say-so? With condoms you can at least see them.

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Sign me up for sex with the guy I can't trust to tell me the truth about his use of birth control.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (mjR67)

279 "258 I could pull other sources if you doubt the accuracy offer your own poll ass.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:30 PM (0q2P7)

________________
Point is polls are useless. Bunch of people will say I'm pro-life in the abstract. But when it comes to elections, they're obviously not. Just like in the abstract most people want govt to cut spending, until it comes to elections and then the majority wants more spending.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (HDgX3) "

So Conservatives should just give up. Brilliant.


(Not that I'm necessarily accepting your concrete premises.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (aLLUm)

280 In truth, a very small minority of the population would support banning abortion outright, in all cases, with no exceptions.

It varies by state. The laws should as well.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (QupBk)

281
I know it wouldn't work to buy babies from mothers who would abort them.
My husband refers normal pregnancy patients who test positive for drugs to the clinic because he cannot deal with it.
I can only imagine what horrible mothers who would only carry their babies for money might do to them in utero.

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (Sptt8)

282 How about this. We lost. So badly we are pretty much
giving away the farm. I have a hard time believing any other candidate
would have left us in a worse position.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:32 PM (0q2P7)

Not so sure we lost badly enough to give away the farm, rather I attribute that to the stupidity of the House and Senate Republican "leadership", not Romney. Think about what it would have been like if we ran McCain again!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:37 PM (Cnqmv)

283 Can't we all, ummmm, get along?

Posted by: Zombie Rodney King at December 10, 2012 07:37 PM (jucos)

284 Ok type this bring on da money

Posted by: Clemenza at December 10, 2012 07:37 PM (lewKL)

285 How many Right To Smoke Dope States?

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 10, 2012 07:37 PM (BVkEs)

286 >>>Point is polls are useless. Bunch of people will say I'm pro-life in the
abstract. But when it comes to elections, they're obviously not.

That's an asinine statement. People vote for the people they do for a whole number of reasons each issue falls in someone's personal priority. It doesn't invalidate my point that the statement that "more men than women want abortion to be legal" is false.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:37 PM (0q2P7)

287 In truth, a very small minority of the population
would support banning abortion outright, in all cases, with no
exceptions. I'm guessing something around 35% as an upper-bound. A
MAJORITY would support banning something like partial-birth abortion,
however...so hey, let's start there instead of, instead of "rape babies
are a gift from God."


Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (/COnL)

___________________
I agree. And yet 85% of so-cons just don't get this through their thick skulls and we keep ending up with Akins and Mourdocks election after election scaring away women from the GOP by the millions.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:38 PM (HDgX3)

288 And yet 85% of so-cons just don't get this through their thick skulls[./i]

Perhaps if you shouted louder.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:38 PM (QupBk)

289 dammit

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:39 PM (QupBk)

290 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (HDgX3)

Isn't all that straw really itchy?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:39 PM (GsoHv)

291 Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (mjR67)

There, there, my dear, don't you worry about that "invisible: condom not being sufficient to protect your future!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 07:39 PM (Cnqmv)

292 This is good news. But Michigan stills sucks as a state.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 10, 2012 07:39 PM (je2hI)

293 272
I don't get the argument that the FSA is so strong that we have to LIB but that a more conservative candidate would have won.

Posted by: Paper


Because shut up, that's why. Akin rulz!

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 07:39 PM (6TB1Z)

294 "269 >>>Gallup? The same poll that said Romney was leading by 7% a week before the election?

I don't even think that's the issue, so much as it is the fact that the term "pro-life" is being defined very differently by a lot of these respondents than the hardcore anti-abortion types would. A person whose view is "gosh, I don't like abortions, they're horrible, I wouldn't want to have one, but I can see why they should still be legal, perhaps in some limited cases" is almost certainly going to describe himself as "pro-life." But a lot of people here would froth and shriek and say that NO WAY could that person be "pro-life" because "pro-life" to them means no exceptions whatsoever, even for rape or incest or the life of the mother, etc. etc.

In truth, a very small minority of the population would support banning abortion outright, in all cases, with no exceptions. I'm guessing something around 35% as an upper-bound. A MAJORITY would support banning something like partial-birth abortion, however...so hey, let's start there instead of, instead of "rape babies are a gift from God."

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (/COnL) "

"Abortion is a gift from God." Amirite?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (aLLUm)

295 >>>do tell.

Um...your attempt to string these comments together as if they prove something in contrast with one another is a non sequitur. My initial post was making fun of the crazy Mark Levin rants about how Rick Snyder is "just another worthless RINO" (which I have heard while listening to his show on my drive home, and am not simply imagining) when he's actually on the verge of accomplishing a truly historic conservative achievement in Michigan of all places.

Meanwhile, my second comment was about how dumb it is to mock people for favoring Mitt Romney when you can't plausibly identify anyone who would have done a better job. Newsflash: Romney ran ahead of literally every single statewide Republican candidate in every single state in the country, with the sole exception of Scott Brown. That means that it wasn't Romney who was a drag on the GOP, but (sadly) the other way around. And, as Imp points out, it may have been in part for reasons beyond our control (the "Free Shit" voting bloc), but I'm telling you that Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and the "War On Women" shit did not help.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (/COnL)

296 Akins and Mourdocks election after election scaring away women from the GOP by the millions.

Because if they get elected THEY WILL PUSH THE BIG RED ABORTION BUTTON!!!1111!!!!1 BINDERS FULL OF ABORTIONS11!!11!!!!


or something....

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (EZl54)

297

What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle?
Or the woman's father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just
have the baby. It's only 9 months.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo


Listen Honey Boo Boo, when those exceptions become a live issue in electoral politics (meaning such legislation is on the table), how about you address the real travesty here, which is late term abortions and convenience abortions.

There is good reason to advocate against both, and many could speak from experience on one or both topics. Instead of saying Gov. Snyder is "pro-choice" which looks to be dishonest, say he's neither, and explain his position. This "pro-choice" claptrap is bunk of the highest order.

We are not in this position nationally because we have failed to prostrate ourselves on the sacrificial altar of baby-killing. We are in this position because we have not insisted on addressing the issue in terms of the possible. If all candidates said that "when and if the issue of abortion for rapes comes before me, we can discuss the issue. Until then, let's find a reasonable ground for policy decisions", then we'd have the makings of a good alliance.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (UaxA0)

298
Obama's message is a race to the bottom.
Unions kill economics. Just look at everything they touch.

Posted by: Fresh at December 10, 2012 07:41 PM (O7ksG)

299 #294

Yep. Supporting framing the issue in a way that would lead to more voters and being reasonable about what is likely to happen means you are secretly an abortion-loving heathen.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:41 PM (8Zptr)

300 So Conservatives should just give up. Brilliant.





(Not that I'm necessarily accepting your concrete premises.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (aLLUm)

_________________
Yes give up on the insane idea that abortion should be banned 100% of the time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:41 PM (HDgX3)

301 "272 I don't get the argument that the FSA is so strong that we have to LIB but that a more conservative candidate would have won.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (8Zptr) "

We should try to appeal to people's ideals. You wouldn't understand...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:42 PM (aLLUm)

302 Ah well,I tried to lighten the mood.I'll leave y'all to beat each others brains in.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)

303 If 1/3 of the members now drop out of the union like they did in Wisconsin that will cost the liberals over $150 million in campaign cash. Wahoo! (At least until the Feds intervene.)

Posted by: Steve Adams at December 10, 2012 07:43 PM (dXvEN)

304


Murder is murder? OK so if someone breaks into your house and you shoot
him, off to jail you go. Murder is murder right Mr. Absolute?


That little embryonic bastard has a crowbar and a gat, he's going down. Until then, he might not deserve death.


Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:43 PM (UaxA0)

305 >>>let's start there instead of, instead of "rape babies

are a gift from God."

>>>>I agree. And yet 85% of so-cons just don't get this through their thick
skulls and we keep ending up with Akins and Mourdocks election after
election scaring away women from the GOP by the millions.

NO ONE Started there. They stupidly let themselves get trapped there by the media. Akin had he said that dumb sh*t during the primary would have never have gotten past go. No one here is saying a candidate has to be "0 abortion all cases" to get a vote or support. So stop slaying the straw men.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:43 PM (0q2P7)

306 "277 What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle? Or the woman's
father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just have the baby.
It's only 9 months.



Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:31 PM (HDgX3) "



What if you didn't suffer from grotesque ADD and a necessity to
parrot Leftist talking points. You want a fucking answer? Fine, here
it is: Murder the fucking baby, you fucking fucker. Happy?

_________________


Murder is murder? OK so if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him, off to jail you go. Murder is murder right Mr. Absolute? It's so sad knowing we will never win another election because of Akin type douches like you.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (HDgX3) "

Yes. Because of me. You fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:43 PM (aLLUm)

307 >>>has a crowbar and a gat

What's a gat? Is it dangerous?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:44 PM (0q2P7)

308 I agree. And yet 85% of so-cons just don't get this
through their thick skulls and we keep ending up with Akins and
Mourdocks election after election scaring away women from the GOP by the
millions.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:38 PM (HDgX3)

Not really trying to jump in to this (I'll just keep the tip in) but the reason we all groaned when Akin stepped on his dick is because we knew deep within the recesses of our minds that the almost majority of the electorate in this country is too stupid to breathe and that they would immediately jump to a conclusion that will never occur in my lifetime. That's my tip and I promise I won't cum.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:44 PM (ZOf1l)

309 I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Sign me up for sex with the guy I can't trust to tell me the truth about his use of birth control.

By the same token, how many men have had sex with girls who said 'of course I'm on the pill' to later find out that it wasn't so?

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (f88gl)

310

I don't get the argument that the FSA is so strong that we have to LIB but that a more conservative candidate would have won.

Posted by: Paper



More conservative candidate might have won, might not, but the election makes clear that many Republicans won't go to the polls for anyone else.

McCain got a mil fewer votes than Romney. Obama got 5 million fewer votes. Yet Mr. NE Moderate could not get the numbers out on our side. Unless you appeal to actual conservatives, you're playing a guaranteed losing game with teh squishy middle.


Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (UaxA0)

311 "287 In truth, a very small minority of the population
would support banning abortion outright, in all cases, with no
exceptions. I'm guessing something around 35% as an upper-bound. A
MAJORITY would support banning something like partial-birth abortion,
however...so hey, let's start there instead of, instead of "rape babies
are a gift from God."


Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (/COnL)

___________________
I agree. And yet 85% of so-cons just don't get this through their thick skulls and we keep ending up with Akins and Mourdocks election after election scaring away women from the GOP by the millions.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:38 PM (HDgX3) "

The Media and imbeciles like you had absolutely nothing to do with anything. You're a genius.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (aLLUm)

312 SO-CONNNNNNSSSSSSSSS!

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (9XBK2)

313 I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. Sign me up for sex with the guy I can't trust to tell me the truth about his use of birth control.


OMW 5 min

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (YUttk)

314 The whole abortion argument is moot and unproductive at this point. Roe v Wade will not apply after the collapse.

Whatever replaces the US Federal government will have a new constitution and new laws.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (cHr8a)

315 These so-called right-to-work laws, they don’t have to do with
economics; they have everything to do with politics. What they are
really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money

***

Bullshit!!!! They give me the right as a good, highly skilled employee to get paid what I'm worth instead of basing my wages solely on seniority.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 10, 2012 07:47 PM (SkyIE)

316 Notice what liberals never campaign on? Gun control. Know why they
don't? Because they understand the vast majority of Americans wants the
right to own a gun. Libs still hate guns, they just don't throw
elections away on guns.

I wish the Akin wing of the GOP would
learn a lesson or two from this. You want to have 12 kids? Go for it.
Stop imposing your bullshit on the rest of society.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:47 PM (HDgX3)

317 A gat is some kind of firearm that incompetents are wont to use.

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:47 PM (NIZHJ)

318
A gat is a gun.

Short for Gatling gun, not that anyone had one. Used in mid-90s culture to denote a gangsta's weapon.


Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:47 PM (UaxA0)

319 >>>What if that baby's father is a rapist? Or an uncle? Or the woman's

father? Or the mother is 13 or 14? No biggie right just have the baby.

It's only 9 months.


No it is a big deal. A REAL TOUGH LONG BIG DEAL emmotionally wrenching big deal. That lets an innocent person keep their life.




Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (0q2P7)

320 By the same token, how many men have had sex with girls who said 'of course I'm on the pill' to later find out that it wasn't so?


Shitloads. Don't trust them women, some of them think babies are suppose to be mantraps.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (YUttk)

321 almost majority of the electorate in this country is too stupid to
breathe and that they would immediately jump to a conclusion that will
never occur in my lifetime.

QFT

Well, you know the Christian Taliban has already infiltrated West Point.

Next stop - Abortion Banning THEOCRACY!!!


/sarc



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (EZl54)

322 >>>Because if they get elected THEY WILL PUSH THE BIG RED ABORTION BUTTON!!!1111!!!!1 BINDERS FULL OF ABORTIONS11!!11!!!!

>>>or something....


Um...you seem to be having difficulty in separating out the logical stupidity of the Democrat/liberal/media demonization of us conservatives with its effectiveness. Newsflash: Ace just wrote a massive post today explaining in great detail about how people by definition are on average not super-bright. And this is an emotional hot-button issue, especially for women. You can deplore that reality all you wish -- but mocking it doesn't suddenly make it less real.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (/COnL)

323
Twin babies in front of me at church the other day.
I knew they'd start fussing, and they did.
Even tho I'm too old and lack the energy, there's nothing I wouldn't give.
Nothing so precious in all the world.

Posted by: Justamom at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (Sptt8)

324 "295 >>>do tell.

Um...your attempt to string these comments together as if they prove something in contrast with one another is a non sequitur. My initial post was making fun of the crazy Mark Levin rants about how Rick Snyder is "just another worthless RINO" (which I have heard while listening to his show on my drive home, and am not simply imagining) when he's actually on the verge of accomplishing a truly historic conservative achievement in Michigan of all places.

Meanwhile, my second comment was about how dumb it is to mock people for favoring Mitt Romney when you can't plausibly identify anyone who would have done a better job. Newsflash: Romney ran ahead of literally every single statewide Republican candidate in every single state in the country, with the sole exception of Scott Brown. That means that it wasn't Romney who was a drag on the GOP, but (sadly) the other way around. And, as Imp points out, it may have been in part for reasons beyond our control (the "Free Shit" voting bloc), but I'm telling you that Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock, and the "War On Women" shit did not help.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (/COnL) "

If you don't defend Conservatives, Conservatives will suffer. Democracy. How does it fucking work?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:49 PM (aLLUm)

325 318 Actually it goes way back.I've seen the term used in 30's gangster movies by no less than Humphrey Bogart.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:50 PM (9XBK2)

326 Some large sample survey data I saw some years ago showed a 70(pro)/30(anti) split when the abortion question was framed in absolutes.

Which suggests the harder the SoCons push absolutism, the more they lose...overwhelmingly so.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 07:50 PM (cHr8a)

327 Can Bohner ground Choomboys plane? I am tired of paying for this jugearred fuckwit flying around the country on my dime and rousing the moron rabble.
If this jugearred fuckwit wants a class war well next time I'm in the grocery line behind some fat-assed broad and her skinny tatooed up babys daddy (unmarried) of course I think I will video them paying for their pizzas, chips, ice cream and sodas with food stamps. If they say anything, I will say, well , look I am payin for it I just wanna see it before you consume it OK asshole?

Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 10, 2012 07:50 PM (5WWzy)

328 "300 So Conservatives should just give up. Brilliant.





(Not that I'm necessarily accepting your concrete premises.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:36 PM (aLLUm)

_________________
Yes give up on the insane idea that abortion should be banned 100% of the time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:41 PM (HDgX3) "

Do you even read your own posts? I don't really recommend it, but it might be a good idea.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:50 PM (aLLUm)

329 >>>No one here is saying a candidate has to be "0 abortion all cases" to get a vote or support. So stop slaying the straw men.

I think you're a pretty reasonable guy so don't take this as an attack, but I have to point out that quite a few posters in this thread are actually saying exactly that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:51 PM (/COnL)

330

Actually it goes way back.I've seen the term used in 30's gangster movies by no less than Humphrey Bogart.


Posted by: steevy



Hey, learned something new.

The more you know . . .

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:51 PM (UaxA0)

331 No it is a big deal. A REAL TOUGH LONG BIG DEAL emmotionally wrenching big deal. That lets an innocent person keep their life.








Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (0q2P7)

___________________
And what a great life that baby will lead with a 14 year old unwed mother or a rapist for a father.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:51 PM (HDgX3)

332 Akin wing of the GOP

Now there's a whole wing???

Binders Full of Strawmen!!

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 07:52 PM (EZl54)

333 We don't have the right to choose if we want health insurance or not. We do have the right to unfettered infanticide.

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:53 PM (NIZHJ)

334 What is preferred?

Say abortion should be legal expect in the cases of rape, incest, and life of mother and win support for pro-life policies nationwide?

OR

Stand firm on a no exceptions policy that turns abortion into a constant win for Democrats?

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 07:53 PM (8Zptr)

335 Every life has worth.

Posted by: steevy at December 10, 2012 07:53 PM (9XBK2)

336 >>>Libs still hate guns, they just don't throw

elections away on guns.

They don't get hounded by the press at every encounter either. Our guys have to be damn near message perfect. Their guys get F*up after F*up. If Feinstein said she wanted to use force and confiscate all guns, it would never see the light of day.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:53 PM (0q2P7)

337 Which is more undesirable:

1. abortion
2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 07:54 PM (ZA675)

338 Sorry, I meant to put my previous post on the thread about Michigan becoming a right to work state.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 10, 2012 07:54 PM (SkyIE)

339 Mandatory abortion for the free shit army.

Posted by: Butters at December 10, 2012 07:55 PM (NIZHJ)

340 Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 10, 2012 07:54 PM (SkyIE)

LOL.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:55 PM (ZOf1l)

341

o one here is saying a candidate has to be "0 abortion all cases" to get a vote or support. So stop slaying the straw men.

I
think you're a pretty reasonable guy so don't take this as an attack,
but I have to point out that quite a few posters in this thread are
actually saying exactly that.


Posted by: Jeff B


Hey jeff, there is a difference between a philosophical/religious belief and what a candidate says.Even if I believe in no abortions, we are fools if we are publicly goaded into demanding it or advocating it. It's just plumb foolish to advocate, but it's logically justifiable and indeed compelling to believe (since there is no need to delude oneself with rationalizations about viability, personhood, or false science.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:55 PM (UaxA0)

342 >>>Now there's a whole wing???

>>>Binders Full of Strawmen!!

Like it or not, that's now a big part of our "brand." I'm as pissed about it as anyone else here (in fact, likely moreso), but you can't wave away the effectiveness of the liberal/MSM effort to brand us like that by repeating "straw man!" at the top of your lungs. Do you have a solid logical point? Yes. Does it matter one fucking bit in terms of how Joe and Janie Moderate are going to continue to think about the GOP, about conservatism, and their relationship to the ultra-socon right? No.

If you can't control the field, or the rules of engagement, the only solution is to play the game better and smarter than the other guy. We gotta be Robert E. Lee here, not Joe Hooker or George McClellan. (And I use that analogy as a diehard Lincoln-lovin' Unionist northerner)

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:57 PM (/COnL)

343 The Upper Peninsula of Michigan sure is beautiful.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 07:57 PM (ZOf1l)

344 as soon as these thugs get to "choose" to pay their dues or not......do you think they are really going to voluntarily pay them? lol

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 10, 2012 07:57 PM (GVxQo)

345 "331 No it is a big deal. A REAL TOUGH LONG BIG DEAL emmotionally wrenching big deal. That lets an innocent person keep their life.








Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:48 PM (0q2P7)

___________________
And what a great life that baby will lead with a 14 year old unwed mother or a rapist for a father.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:51 PM (HDgX3) "

A life not worth living. Amirite?


You truly are a moral superman.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 07:57 PM (aLLUm)

346

Which is more undesirable:

1. abortion
2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?


Posted by: Fritz



Margaret Sanger had a great answer to that question.

So did Eichmann.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (UaxA0)

347 335
Every life has worth.


Maybe at birth.

Once grown that's not necessarily true anymore...because we spend huge sums trying to execute the worst of our mistakes, or warehouse them out of polite society for long periods.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (cHr8a)

348 >>>And what a great life that baby will lead with a 14 year old unwed mother or a rapist for a father.

You're done with that statement right there. You have placed a value of a persons right to live based on their projected (not even actual) quality of life. I could go through a litany of adopted children who went on to accomplish great things but that is useless to someone in your mindset. You are progressive; that statement leaves no doubt.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (0q2P7)

349 Romney ran ahead of literally every single statewide Republican candidate in every single state in the country, with the sole exception of Scott Brown.

________________

It's a well known phenomena that particularly in a general election there is down ticket voting drop off.

I don't think you can make a solid leap to the conclusion that you do.

Also--Romney was one of the few Republicans who was in perpetual run mode.

Most candidates for the Republican ticket made long term plans to run in--

2016.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (r2PLg)

350 Ahhhh Mr. Moo Moo, maybe we should just sterilize the poor

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (BNuW6)

351 Imp:

>>>Hey jeff, there is a difference between a philosophical/religious belief and what a candidate
says. Even if I believe in no abortions, we are fools if we are publicly
goaded into demanding it or advocating it. It's just plumb foolish to
advocate, but it's logically justifiable and indeed compelling to
believe (since there is no need to delude oneself with rationalizations
about viability, personhood, or false science.


I agree with every single thing you've written here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 07:58 PM (/COnL)

352 I think we will see a better Republican field in 2016 because that was the plan of most Republican candidates.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 07:59 PM (r2PLg)

353 >>>Once grown that's not necessarily true anymore...because we spend huge
sums trying to execute the worst of our mistakes, or warehouse them out
of polite society for long periods.

While that may be true if we allow that idea to govern who we allow to live at the outset, we invite absolute inhumanity.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 08:00 PM (0q2P7)

354 "337 Which is more undesirable:

1. abortion
2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 07:54 PM (ZA675) "

Good point... Fritz.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 08:00 PM (aLLUm)

355 #341

This is exactly right.

Posted by: Paper at December 10, 2012 08:00 PM (8Zptr)

356 So the answer lies with Sanger and Eichmann, - that's who you're advocating?

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 08:01 PM (ZA675)

357 If Feinstein said she wanted to use force and confiscate all guns, it would never see the light of day.

Actually she said just that back when Clinton was in office. I think the quote (paraphrasing a bit) was:

"If it was up to me Mr and Mrs America, you'd have to give them all up".

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 08:02 PM (cHr8a)

358 I went over awhile back and read the way too slanted RTW article over at Yahoo. As you well know, the commenters there are not really that intellectually superior to say a rock, but it had to be 2 to 1 on the side of the RTW. Amazed me.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 10, 2012 08:02 PM (ZOf1l)

359 >>>I think we will see a better Republican field in 2016 because that was the plan of most Republican candidates.

I have to say that if Hillary runs I am not sanguine about our chances no matter who we nominate. Not after the demographic (and socio-cultural) shifts we saw in the 2012 election.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:03 PM (/COnL)

360

Well Jeff, to continue the love fest then, it's right the we have been branded as the Akin wing of the nation, but we don;t have to go ahead an surrender the pro-life fight because of it.

We can advocate for "European style" restrictions for starters. Hell, start small and build on small gains. That was the strategy that got parental notification and partial birth bans in several states.

But "moderates" really can't do that. The have to kowtow to the pro-infanticide lobby for fear of looking like the wide-eyed, spittle-flecked zealots they abhor.

So I disagree about needing "moderate" candidates. We just need SMARTER ones.

Having long been past the age of fairy tales, I have forsaken that hope and now subscribe fully to the LIB camp.


Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 08:03 PM (UaxA0)

361 Which is more undesirable:

1. abortion
2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?


My answer to this is the same as my answer to:

Which is more undesirable:

1. Dead two-month olds
2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?


Does yours differ and why?

Posted by: AD at December 10, 2012 08:03 PM (Ysek9)

362 236 I miss the old Toronadoes and Rivieras.

---------

I was told global warming was going to give us stronger Toronadoes.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda is very disappointed at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (NmR1a)

363 1. abortion

2. a baby-mama welfare queen with 8 children from 5 different fathers?


Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 07:54 PM (ZA675) "


Good point... Fritz.


In the old days we took children from parents who had no hope in supporting them, not subsidized them. False choice. But if you force me to make it, it would be the non baby killing way.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (0q2P7)

364 Of course, subsequent to that quote, someone dug a little and found out that Feinstein owned two pistols and had a CA carry permit.

After that, she claimed to have given up the permit and got rid of the pistols.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (cHr8a)

365 "359 >>>I think we will see a better Republican field in 2016 because that was the plan of most Republican candidates.

I have to say that if Hillary runs I am not sanguine about our chances no matter who we nominate. Not after the demographic (and socio-cultural) shifts we saw in the 2012 election.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:03 PM (/COnL) "

And it's a good thing that geniuses like you have done everything necessary to adapt to the demographic shift.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (aLLUm)

366 I went over awhile back and read the way too slanted RTW article over at Yahoo. As you well know, the commenters there are not really that intellectually superior to say a rock, but it had to be 2 to 1 on the side of the RTW. Amazed me.


Oh yeah man, nobody likes unions. Especially in this economy, you can't refuse to go to your 6 figure job and strike for more. It's not even a republican democrat thing that much. Even in Illinois the union is becoming a wedge issue that splits democrats.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 08:05 PM (YUttk)

367 Snyder for 2016! Seriously.

A Republican that's actually getting shit done instead of pontificating about abstract SoCon nonsense.

I guess he's not a real conservative though like that Santorum who actually voted against right-to-work legislation.

After all, the true test of conservatism is one issue: making a impregnated rape victim give birth!

Posted by: Jeepers at December 10, 2012 08:06 PM (XDRsa)

368

Fritz, I took your comment to mean that you are in sympatico with those two great progressives.

If not, you might clarify.

Personally, I think they are abhorrent.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 08:06 PM (UaxA0)

369 "367 Snyder for 2016! Seriously.

A Republican that's actually getting shit done instead of pontificating about abstract SoCon nonsense.

I guess he's not a real conservative though like that Santorum who actually voted against right-to-work legislation.

After all, the true test of conservatism is one issue: making a impregnated rape victim give birth!

Posted by: Jeepers at December 10, 2012 08:06 PM (XDRsa) "

Are you capable of thinking in anything besides strawmen? No. Ok, thanks.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 08:07 PM (aLLUm)

370 The abortion debte is poised for another change. Non-intrusive, Fetal brain wave monitors that interface to a cell phone, and let mothers watch how their diet, exercise, playing classical music, etc. influences their baby in the womb, are coming to market. (Which is all suspect hookum for actual development, but you know it will sell to the very yuppies that "support" choice in the abstract.)

Well before twenty weeks those brain waves are indistinguishable from a newborn's. We know face booking sonograms has been popular, wait until drum circles of expecting mother are stimulating the kids they say it is ok to kill with flute music and real time feedback.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (hjRtO)

371 I have to say that if Hillary runs I am not sanguine about our chances no matter who we nominate. Not after the demographic (and socio-cultural) shifts we saw in the 2012 election.
Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:03 PM (/COnL)

____________________

Well speaking of those shifts--

an early primary state for the democrats is--

South Carolina--

some 54% of the Democrat primary vote in South Carolina--if CNN's exit poll #'s from 2008 hold up--
is African American.

How does Hillary defeat an Axelrod prodigy like--

Deval Patrick?

Also speaking of old union guys and other misogynistic cultures--I think the deep dark Dem secret is they are going to have more trouble with their base voting for a female candidate than what they advertise.

Lat time the Dem hierarchy--Daschle , etc.. knifed Hillary in the back for those supposed reasons--nothing to prevent that from happening again.

I kind of doubt Hillary will be their candidate.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (r2PLg)

372 Yeah a troll that can use a scroll bar.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (0q2P7)

373 >>>>In the old days we took children from parents who had no hope in
supporting them, not subsidized them. False choice. But if you force me
to make it, it would be the non baby killing way.

Precisely. Why do we subsidize irresponsible, habitually bad behavior? Adoption is a wonderful solution, no?

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (ZA675)

374 "368

Fritz, I took your comment to mean that you are in sympatico with those two great progressives.

If not, you might clarify.

Personally, I think they are abhorrent.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 08:06 PM (UaxA0) "

Fritz seems rather incoherent.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (aLLUm)

375 quick question:

If we, the people, have to fund hormonal birth control for (some) women, is it within our purview to have evidence that said woman used the damned thing?

_

Or is the point to just give stuff out willy-nilly?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 10, 2012 08:09 PM (RuUvx)

376 A MNF thread might calm things

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 08:09 PM (8sCoq)

377 "370 The abortion debte is poised for another change. Non-intrusive, Fetal brain wave monitors that interface to a cell phone, and let mothers watch how their diet, exercise, playing classical music, etc. influences their baby in the womb, are coming to market. (Which is all suspect hookum for actual development, but you know it will sell to the very yuppies that "support" choice in the abstract.)

Well before twenty weeks those brain waves are indistinguishable from a newborn's. We know face booking sonograms has been popular, wait until drum circles of expecting mother are stimulating the kids they say it is ok to kill with flute music and real time feedback.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 08:08 PM (hjRtO) "

I like this comment.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 10, 2012 08:10 PM (aLLUm)

378
gotta go, morons

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 08:14 PM (UaxA0)

379 Obama's numbers from the South Carolina primary 2008

exit poll:


Vote by Race and Age



Black 18-29
(8%) of voters


Cllinton 21%
Edwards-2%
Kucinich-0%
Obam-a 77%

Black 30-44
(17%) of voters

Clinton-17%
2%
0%
Obasma-82%

Black 45-59
(19%) of voters

Clinton 18%
3%
0%

Obama-79%

Black 60+
(10%) of voters

Clinton-23%
4%
0%
Obama-73%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#SCDEM

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 08:14 PM (r2PLg)

380 @342

It's a big part of the GOP brand due to the tactical FAILURE of nominal conservatives who insisted on "reaching across the aisle" and compromising on basic IDEALS , rather than on policy.

Instead of firing back with " what has my running for office got to do with the fact that Roe v Wade is the law of the land? Also , what's your stance on gun rights, libtard?" , the party of stupid silently martyred itself to the Honey Boo Boo mob.

I believe that abortion kills innocent life but I don't paint it on the side of my house.

The FSA didn't win just because the GOP is a mob of squishes who for at least 20 years have been unable to clearly explain or defend what it believes or put the lefty enemy on the defensive.

The FSA won because they are too stupid to understand principles or anything beyond eating and excreting.

LiB.





Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 08:14 PM (EZl54)

381 Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 06:41 PM (CM59X)

Sorry, but I disagree. The left has made abortion all about a *woman's* right to choose what happens with *her* body, and just never mind the child she carelessly created or the man who helped her do it. A man has no rights at all. He doesn't have to notified of the killing of his baby. He can't stop it even if he is sobbing in court and begging for the right to raise his child - this has happened multiple times. Sure, most men in such situations don't care any more than the woman does, but when they *do* they have no recourse.

ps Pentangle is a fed-up woman. Fed up with other women.

Posted by: Pentan at December 10, 2012 08:15 PM (bGDzW)

382 I believe we should stick strictly to Margaret Sanger's original intentions for abortion, right Moo Moo?

Posted by: Mr. Me Me at December 10, 2012 08:15 PM (86/8G)

383
I think the perfect candidate would be a man generally believed to be smart,


I think the perfect candidate would be a man or woman generally believed to be smart,

me too!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 10, 2012 08:15 PM (LpQbZ)

384 There is much taunting of the Dems on the Detroit Free Press website about how it is their party can be so vehement in supporting "choice" for baby killing and gay marriaging but be so adamant in opposing "choice" when it comes to letting grown-ups decide whether to join a union or pick a school for their kids.

Drives 'em nuts as they have no answer; at least none that makes sense. The cartoonist there tried to reconcile the irreconcilable by claiming that workers have "choice" about joining a union or not -- they can "choose" to work somewhere else.

Well, people who demand to be forced to join a union as a condition of employment can just move to Illinois or California or Paraguay or something.

Posted by: Flick's blistered tongue at December 10, 2012 08:16 PM (Xv7f/)

385 Premise 1. Unions are the greatest thing ever for workers.
Premise 2. Any worker that has the chance will naturally join a union.
Therefore, Right to Work legislation has no real effect on anything because all workers eligible will naturally join a union.

Then why is it exactly that the unions fight against Right to Work laws?

Huh, I suspect there might be something wrong with either premise 1 or 2.

Posted by: JB1000 at December 10, 2012 08:17 PM (Pd7/U)

386 Michigan's got a chance now. Slowly reduce the Political power of the Unions (no money, no pull). Next, figure out how to empty Dearbornistan of terrorist cells. Next, adopt the welfare-to-work program and BOOM. All better. What am I missing here?

Posted by: Daily Dish at December 10, 2012 08:17 PM (+b3dK)

387 False choice.

Not really. Each path has undeniable concrete long and short term monetary and social costs/ramifications involved. Wishing those costs and ramifications weren't there doesn't make them go away.

Chasing deadbeat dads, who are in no position to pay anyway seems inoperative, or at best highly optimistic. As a practical matter, the state is gonna shoulder that in a significant number of instances.

Once the kid has been popped out, someone is gonna have to be responsible and pay for its care for the next 18 years. That is the law.

I have no answer for the monetary cost aspect of putting 800,000 new "entitlement units" into the system each year. I've always hoped there would be some feasible answer offered, but I've never heard it promoted if it does exist.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 08:18 PM (cHr8a)

388 Okay one of you hurts your own cause with the name calling--

Kind of think you might be trying to actually hurt the cause you espouse....

It's a constant for you--you aren't happy unless you are stirring the shit.

MUMR--you.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 08:18 PM (r2PLg)

389 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney,

Honest question, do you think the GOP should push the "Akin" position on abortion (no rape exception)?

Posted by: Jeepers at December 10, 2012 08:26 PM (XDRsa)

390 >>>Are you capable of thinking in anything besides strawmen? No. Ok, thanks.

Strawman though it may be, it IS actually pretty ironic that a number of the same socons who denounce Snyder for insufficient conservatism supported Santorum in the primary. When Snyder's about to sign right-to-work and Santorum, yes, voted against it in the Senate when he had the chance.

You're right that it doesn't prove all that much, however, since it wasn't like these two were running against one another.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:27 PM (/COnL)

391 Oh, I forgot to mention this...FUCK Joe Scarborough.

#letitburn
#SignUpForEverything
#Howtogetfreestufffromthegovernment

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 10, 2012 08:31 PM (iuY0Y)

392
Two grandbabies born 5 months ago at 25 weeks, 1lb 10 oz and 1 lb 9 oz. 83 days in the NICU and $1.2 Million later. Both are normal, healthy, still fragile miracles. Anyone who thinks abortions are not murder should visit a NICU just once. Raw love permeats the air. Parents and Grandparents sitting quietly, praying and pleading with God. It is life changing.

Posted by: Daily Dish at December 10, 2012 08:31 PM (+b3dK)

393 >>>It's a big part of the GOP brand due to the tactical FAILURE of nominal
conservatives who insisted on "reaching across the aisle" and
compromising on basic IDEALS , rather than on policy.


No, it's a big part of the GOP brand due to the fact that we stupidly allow people like Akin to seize their nominations -- in part because of outside meddling by Democrats -- and then stick around to drag us all down.** (This, FWIW, is why Dana Loesch is basically dead to me for all time: her public and private support was critical in keeping Akin in the race when he was actually about to drop out. And she did it basically because Akin showed up to a couple of her events once upon a time -- thanks, Dana. Don't get me started on Huckabee.)

It has nothing to do with "reaching across the aisle," whatever that even means.

**Note that I'm actually more conflicted about Mourdock -- I disagree with his position, but he actually got jobbed by the media over it...and what fuckin' KILLS me is that in a world where Akin hadn't already weaponized the issue, I don't think he would've lost. Akin really needs a few firm kicks to the nutsack on behalf of conservatives everywhere. And pro-lifers, for that matter.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:32 PM (/COnL)

394 Akin really needs a few firm kicks to the nutsack on behalf of conservatives everywhere. And pro-lifers, for that matter.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:32 PM (/COnL)


Akin got as firm a kick in the nutsack as we could possibly give him.

Huckabee (and everybody else who enabled him) on the other hand...

Posted by: AD at December 10, 2012 08:40 PM (Ysek9)

395 JeffB != pro-life
therefore
JeffB = militant atheist AND militantly pro-abortion!

JeffB logikz winz!


So who are the single issue voters again?


Keep tilting at those windmills , champ.




Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 08:43 PM (EZl54)

396

also Akin? lost

Rep. Maxine Waters says vile stupid anti American thing after thing gets elected, re-elected and is next in line on the House Financial Services Committee succeeding cocksucker Barney " my boyfriend runs a homobrothel" Frank


maybe we should be more like them to get MOAR FSA winz!


LiB




Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 08:51 PM (EZl54)

397 >>>JeffB != pro-life

But, see, I AM pro-life. That's the thing you don't get. I want to see Roe v. Wade repealed. I would oppose going hard in the opposite direction, mind you (i.e. no Constitutional amendment banning abortion, no SCOTUS ruling doing the same, etc.), but that's because I am a legal conservative as well -- a federalist. I truly believe that the only way we'll ever get any social closure on this issue is to let it return to the states.

Do I think there should be exceptions for rape, incest, life-of-the-mother, etc.? Yeah, I guess I do. It's a tough question. I'm not closing my eyes to the inescapable truth that an abortion is an abortion regardless of the reasons behind it, but prudential, emotional, epistemological, and pragmatic considerations all incline me towards favoring those exceptions. (The pragmatic angle is one least appreciated by hardcore anti-abortion folks: this is an issue you can only win one step at a time, by nibbling away at the margins and "shifting the Overton Window," so to speak.)

Does that make me a Planned Parenthood booster? In your eyes, apparently so. To me, that's a problem with your perspective, not mine.

Posted by: Jeff B. at December 10, 2012 08:51 PM (/COnL)

398 no I am simply using your own logic.

You referred to MANY posters on the thread who would be in favor of a 100% abortion ban.

I think that I might have seen one. I am probably (usually) wrong. Most were reasonable in discussing it but would not be backed down when it became a matter of principle.

My deep red state was a little redder because of the folks I led to the polls for Mitt. I had to bite my tongue in half but I voted for decency.

I no longer care. It's now me and mine and like minded neighbors vs the FSA . Better to let the left wingers explain their hypocritical principles. Their version of "America" simply isn't.

LiB

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 10, 2012 09:02 PM (EZl54)

399 The fact that the UAW drunkards have been rehired
was the final straw. I will buy no car from a UAW plant. Period. Sorry,
Ford. I know it isn't your fault, but I cannot support these maggots.


Posted by: pep
I live in Dearborn. I am very aware of what is going on. Please note that Ford is not part of the problem. If you are too stupid to understand that, how about this. Fuck you and any other anti-American commie bastards. FORD is an American company (that did NOT get request Taxpayer Bailout Money) and is on the cutting edge of new car technology. I am not asking you or begging you to buy their products. If you want to buy a Yugo, or whatever foreign car, go ahead. It's your right as an American. And my right as an American is to salute you and any other American haters with this middle finger. Again, in case you are stuck on stupid and cannot read sign language, I will spell it out for you real slow... ready? FUCK YOU.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 09:05 PM (U5SmI)

400 If you wanted to derail the conservative movement, I really couldn't think of a more effective tactic than having liberals pose as "no exception" social conservatives.

I mean, it's cost us countless elections and we have absolutely nothing to show for it. In fact, it's made America more pro-abortion. the latest surveys have shown a hue shift.

How about that concept, "no exception" pro-lifers have caused more abortions than pro-choice Republicans.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 10, 2012 09:18 PM (XDRsa)

401 Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 09:05 PM (U5SmI)


I bought a Toyota built in America and none of the sales price went to a fucking Union.

Fuck you.

Posted by: Portnoy at December 10, 2012 09:21 PM (A5Abh)

402 Again, in case you are stuck on stupid and cannot read sign language, I will spell it out for you real slow... ready? FUCK YOU.


Charming, ain't it? What a sales pitch.


I drove all Pontiacs (except 1 Chevy) but these days I'd buy a Honda.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 09:33 PM (YUttk)

403 Thank you Portnoy for supporting AMERICAN jobs. Obviously my point was lost on you. And by the way, fuck you too and your rice burning car. Ever hear of Iwo Jima? If not, ask my father in law, who served in the US Marines. Actually you can't. He is dead. Just like your fucking brain.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 09:36 PM (U5SmI)

404 Since SoCons have apparently cost us the election (so I'm told), I've decided to work for having us declared a protected group, like the Amish. We might have to wear some sort of trademark garment, or use a unusual, archaic dialect, such as literate, thoughtful English, but I'm sure we can do it. Let's face it, we are now the red-headed stepchild of our own party. At least if we have a reservation, we will have clear cut borders to defend with all our abominable, yet amazingly effective, guns.

Posted by: Pentan at December 10, 2012 09:40 PM (bGDzW)

405 I have neither the time nor the inclination to source what I am about to say. Recently I understand that a great majority of jobs created (well over 50%) were in the Public sector. Unless the Private sector can ramp up there WILL be a collapse of our economy. Think Greece on steroids. As time goes on, as this great nation outsources more and more, manufacturing to 3rd world countries. I call this Pay Me Now, or Pay Me Later. I don't give a fuck what political party affiliation you are as they both play the game. The end result will be the same. Just as you cannot defy the laws of gravity you cannot defy the debasement of American manufacturing and jobs. You may think you are safe because you are "not in Detroit" but sure as the sun comes up, "something Wicked This Way Comes". Just remember you outsourced the rope to hang yourself with. For those who I have offended with my pithy language perhaps this is what you really need to wake you up. Of course, some people do not want to wake up and that is ok as that is their prerogative. Just like The Matrix where art is imitating reality. Take the Green Pill or the Red Pill. You decide.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 10:00 PM (U5SmI)

406 The first year our PEU deducted "fair share" dues from us, they sent $7 million out to various big unions like the AFL-CIO to launder and give to Dems, per discovery in our lawsuit. That was just one payment for one union.

Can you imagine the take from all of them?

Posted by: PJ at December 10, 2012 10:20 PM (ZWaLo)

407 Thank you PJ for some sanity. What you have revealed is a prosperous union. A Great White shark if you will. I also have information that due to the decline in manufacturing that many of the unions are hanging on by a thread. Right now there is our GOP chairman and the president of the US, and just the two of them will decide the fate of US taxpayers. Does this give you a nice warm feeling inside? Not me. I think the first phrase that comes to mind is B.O.H.I.C.A. or some such and it is a party and all working taxpayers are invited. Bring your own KY is advised.

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 10:34 PM (U5SmI)

408 Look. I am NOT Monty. Nobody does DOOM like him. I wish I had the talent he has. But for some reason he is gone (and I sure wish he would come back). And you now get the ghetto version of DOOM. Sometimes you get what you pay for... heh

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 10:43 PM (U5SmI)

409 "something Wicked This Way Comes"


Yes, it will burn.

Posted by: entropy at December 10, 2012 10:46 PM (YUttk)

410 Yes, it will burn.

Posted by: entropy
.... I totally agree. If I might be as so bold, if you are so inclined as to volunteer at your local Community Emergency Response Team aka C.E.R.T. it is a great way to learn/train/network with other people who really care and want to help when the SHTF

Posted by: sirsurfalot at December 10, 2012 10:58 PM (U5SmI)

411 Ha ha ha. Crains Business Detroit reports that the UAW is STUNNED about the RTW laws.
Good job MI!

Posted by: carolina at December 10, 2012 11:02 PM (dmqAl)

412 Right to work doesn't take away anyone's right to bargain for wages -- Obama is a LIAR.

Without right to work, you have LESS FREEDOM -- you are mandated to be in a union. ONE choice.

Right to work gives you MORE FREEDOM -- you can choose to be in a union, or you can choose to not be in a union. TWO choices. You can choose to be in the union and spend money on dues in order to get the union to bargain for you, or you can choose to not be in the union and keep the dues money that would have been forcibly extracted from you and keep it in your pocket instead. Either way, no one's taking away your right to bargain -- rather, you're being given a new option: keep more of your paycheck.

Someone MUST hit back against the usual lies spilling out of Obama's mouth.



Posted by: aaa at December 11, 2012 12:34 AM (JFsQc)

413 PEU=public employee union. We manufacture nothing.

Posted by: PJ at December 11, 2012 12:53 AM (ZWaLo)

414
Once we had union leaders that believed in voluntary associations. Read this comment and imagine whether the speaker would prefer a "closed shop" or "right to work."
“I want to urge devotion to the fundamentals of human liberty – the principles of voluntarism. No lasting gain has ever come from compulsion. If we seek to force, we but tear apart that which, united, is invincible….I want to say to you, men and women of the American labor movement, do not reject the cornerstone upon which labor’s structure has been builded – but base your all upon voluntary principles and illumine your every problem by consecrated devotion to that highest of all purposes – human well being in the fullest, widest, deepest sense.” Samuel Gompers, American Federation of Labor.

Posted by: Michael M. Keohane at December 11, 2012 07:02 AM (UCzBx)






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