For This Post, I'll Discuss the 2016 Presidential Race With My Three New Best Friends, A Chair, A Rope, & A Rafter

Really?

Eesh.

Okay, I guess Hillary 2016 is a topic.

In related news, I just finished a difficult crossword puzzle in four minutes by filling in every answer with a variation of "Please Kill Me Now."


Your Mouth

Expect further precipitation.

Posted by: Ace at 05:17 PM



Comments

1 Ugh. Does it ever end?

Posted by: Witchfinder at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (pLTLS)

2 LiB is also great because I don't have to prognosticate anymore about future elections!

Forward!

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at December 10, 2012 05:19 PM (hlwt5)

3
Well...there is a chance of a SMOD tomorrow.

An incoming large meteor will be threading the needle between the Earth and the Moon.
For reals...according to Space Weather dot com.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (CM59X)

4 Hopefully, Texas will have seceded by then.

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (b+jI9)

5 Hillary 2016

Not the hill to die on, my friends.

Posted by: John McCain, nice guy at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (gCa4h)

6 I'm still more worried about Michelle Obama! Hillary is just naturally unappealing to people.

Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many.

MEANWHILE there is Corey Booker, he might be ready by then, and he's sharp, charismatic, and a total demagogue as well.

Seriously, I'm rooting for Cuomo of the Golden Tree.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (J6kXj)

7
Hillary has the pop culture and the media behind her. Our nation of stupids like that.

Posted by: Fresh at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (O7ksG)

8 I built this ship in a bottle in less than thirty minutes, which is probably a record but, whatever.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (QupBk)

9 >>>Okay, I guess Hillary 2016 is a topic.

The worst part? The absolutely f*king moral breaking, cry in a corner, give up all hope worst part? I'm looking forward to her Presidency as an improvement.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (0q2P7)

10 Hillary 2016

Which has been my plan all along....

THEN maybe she'll fuck me.....

Posted by: George Soros at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (gCa4h)

11 Maybe this is just a Jedi mind trick to get them to run Hillary like the lib media (redundant) did with McCain.

Posted by: Bob Costas at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (UK9cE)

12 2016: I think that Hillary will bow out when Moochelle announces her candidacy.

By definition, half of the electorate are below the mean in intelligence. They vote, not by reason, but by emotion.

Posted by: Al at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (V70Uh)

13 Newt 2016!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (FiwwD)

14

I totally missed that last thread but it sounds like a good way to start some fist fights.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (1Y+hH)

15 Sympathy for the widow and nostalgia for me, a winning combo.

Posted by: future zombie bill clinton at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (8/bPb)

16 Damn Firefox caching.


OFF retard midget sock.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (UK9cE)

17
Sixteen's in the bag, and when I'm finished, America will be a worker's paradise with equality for all, especially my friends and relatives.

Posted by: Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (ndqJC)

18 I can't picture Michelle running for the presidency. I just can't.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (QupBk)

19 >>>Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many.

Yes, yes, it's important for us to try to wrap our minds around facts that seem impossible to be true inside our little conservative bubble.

Posted by: Eaton Cox is kind of a LIBNO at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (+wxCD)

20 Michael Moriarty for President 2016

Posted by: Sphynx at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (j2McS)

21 Is anyone else really serious about secession?

Posted by: Dr Spank at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (b+jI9)

22 Hillary 2016

Did you honestly think we invested so much time and effort into creating the so-called "War on Women!1!1!" for Obama's sake?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: MSM at December 10, 2012 05:25 PM (gCa4h)

23 18
I can't picture Michelle running for the presidency. I just can't.
--

You know, if we're going to turn into Argentina, can we get their women too?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (FiwwD)

24 Ace, time to pull out the French book and vacuum cleaner?

Posted by: L, elle at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (VbTKR)

25 Show of hands - who did "not" see this coming? Show of hands - who thinks the "Republican" Party can field anyone who can defeat her? Anybody?

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (BoE3Z)

26 2016 is four hard years away. While the nation narrowly went for Obama again, his second term will either end like George W Bush (economic ruin) or Richard Nixon (political ruin).

While America may want moar Democrat right now, right now ain't 2016.

Posted by: Artemus Khan, Supervillain-Billionaire-Layabout at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (27tUc)

27 Come on now, what's not to like?

http://tinyurl.com/d7q77ev

Posted by: kallisto at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (jm/9g)

28

Remember 2009, when the Dems held the presidency, the Senate and the House?


They were still blaming Republicans for everything.


So don't make avoiding blame part of your strategy if you a Republican.


I'm indy so I don't have to worry about such things. I get blamed by Republicans. NTTAWWT.


Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 05:27 PM (1Y+hH)

29 As I said in the last post, SCOAMF hasn't even been crowned yet and already the MFM is declaring Hillary the next POTUS.

It's laughable, until you realize that these maggots are out to conquer us and will stop at nothing. The meme is out there, the drones at OFA have their marching orders and the MFM will cover them.

We have? The RNC. Thank goodness. I was getting worried for a moment. (sarcasm, then vomit)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:28 PM (XkWWK)

30 Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many.

Oh, I get that people like her, I just don't get WHY. Some sort of suck-up chromosome I'm apparently missing.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Professional Grump at December 10, 2012 05:28 PM (/kI1Q)

31

If we let all the Bush Tax Cuts expire and return to the Clinton Tax Rates...

Wouldn't that chill a lot of people's fervor for a Hillary 2016 ticket?
Maybe that's why the Dems are sodesperate to keep half of those Bush Tax Cuts in place.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:28 PM (CM59X)

32 In order for Michelle to win, America would have to vote for a pseudo-celebrity of no discernible talent, who has never run anything or accomplished anything of note her entire life.

No way that could happen.

*cough*

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 10, 2012 05:28 PM (1sinL)

33 Glenn Reynolds for President 2016

Posted by: Sphynx at December 10, 2012 05:29 PM (j2McS)

34 Ovarian Cancer, you're our only hope.

Posted by: Al at December 10, 2012 05:29 PM (V70Uh)

35 No way that could happen.

*giggle

Posted by: Sen. Al Franken at December 10, 2012 05:29 PM (gCa4h)

36 We are going to see dependency grow in the next 4 years beyond our wildest fears. And government will provide. The margin of loss will increase not decrease. It's been the plan all along, for anyone who cared to notice. And their fucking plan is humming along nicely.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (BoE3Z)

37 I built this ship in a bottle in less than thirty minutes,


You didn't build that...

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (9F/CZ)

38 Liz Cheney for President 2016

Posted by: Sphynx at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (j2McS)

39 who has never run anything or accomplished anything of note her entire life.

What?

Posted by: Teenage Boy Staring at Meat-Free Lunch With 25g of Bread and a Pile of Raw Veggies at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (/kI1Q)

40
Why not? We got to have the county's first ugly commie scrunt for president someday...

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (hq+RW)

41 In 2014 there are 33 Senate and 435 House seats up for grabs, and when the Republicans lose all 33 and 300 of the House races, 2016 will come down to Hillary Clinton versus the Libertarian nominee.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at December 10, 2012 05:31 PM (3GtyG)

42 I don't want one optimistic thread a day or even once a week, but once a month would be nice. Yeah know, lie to me. Just like the girls in High School did. I'm easy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 05:31 PM (jE38p)

43
19>>> Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many.




Doh'blahblah will seek a third term or Michelle will run.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 10, 2012 05:31 PM (hq+RW)

44 If Cuomo is il presidente, then that means we get SANDRA LEE as FLOTUS!

Keep it simple, keep it brain dead, keep it semi-hard!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (XkWWK)

45 Calm down, Hillary's not Bubba. Besides, they're probably going to nominate Michelle, anyway.

Posted by: Mike James at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (cgDgK)

46 Good to see I'm not the only one basking in holiday spirit. Drink up Ace.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (OlN4e)

47 Cory Booker looks ready to run for NJGov. If he wins it, he will be a future Dem Prez. nominee, and will likely be even more unassailable than the SCoaMF.

We need to hammer him early and often.

Look at what Sen. Heller (the only GOP senate candidate to win in a state that Obama won) did: He attacked the Dem early and often. He identified her as corrupt in the publics eye before she could do the same to him. By constantly attacking, his opponent was put on the defense and ultimately lost because of it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (XvHmy)

48
21Is anyone else really serious about secession?

No.
It will take a lot more pain and outrage for people to get really serious about it.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (CM59X)

49
I Am Mad As Hell is right. So was Some Guy.

How about instead we formulate a plan for victory in 2014?

We're kinda smart, I think. for morons. We have ideas, some of them half-decent...a helluva lot better than the GOP's ideas. We're regular people, ergo we know how to reach other regular people.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (ptD6d)

50 She's not that good of a candidate in case you forgot.

Of course, the GOP will find an even worse candidate for our next run.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (TtXjG)

51 45 Posted by: Mike James at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (cgDgK)


Michelle or that Marxist mayor of San Antonio?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (XkWWK)

52 Calm down, Hillary's not Bubba. Besides, they're probably going to nominate Michelle, anyway.
Posted by: Mike James at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (cgDgK)

So they can print up those "Vote for the Wide Ass" now and it could apply to either?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (jE38p)

53 Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (J6kXj)

Not to my dick.

Posted by: typical disgusting Moron at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (GsoHv)

54 If Hillary wants to run, let her. I'd like to see how she plans to turn out the minority vote.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (a0nis)

55 I have four friends...neener neener..


Brass, lead, powder and primer (those two are cousins) Copper may also show up.

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (fWAjv)

56 A state needs to go Federalist. Texas seems like the best candidate. Others would follow.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (QupBk)

57 Michael Moriarty for President 2016

---

Professor Moriarty 2016

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (XUKZU)

58 2016: Embrace the Suck Now

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (XUKZU)

59

I'm sure the RNC, RNCC and RNSC are on the case !

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (XkWWK)

60 If Hillary wants to run, let her. I'd like to see how she plans to turn out the minority vote.
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (a0nis)


What, you never heard her negro dialect?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (jE38p)

61 If Moochelle was a-peeling in front of me, I'd gouge my eyes out.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2012 05:35 PM (OlN4e)

62 Anyway, I'm not so confident we'll even be around in 2016, and I'm not talking about the Mayans.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:35 PM (a0nis)

63
Hey, I'm still around so don't forget about my presidential aspirations.

Posted by: Zombie Pat Paulson at December 10, 2012 05:35 PM (ndqJC)

64
Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 05:34 PM (fWAjv)





That reminds me. I gotta call my friend at the salvage yard and see if he will let me knock off 50 pounds of wheel weights this week.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 10, 2012 05:35 PM (hq+RW)

65 Corey Booker is about an order of magnitude smarter than TFG.

He'd probably be a Bill Clinton rather than a SCOAMF.

I hope he runs.

Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (OqWMe)

66 Secession didn't work out too well last time. No enthusiasm here to try it again.

Besides. In every Red state, there are pockets of blue. In every Blue State there are large areas of Red. The delineation between the interests of the State are not as clear.

Posted by: Al at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (V70Uh)

67 Michelle or that Marxist mayor of San Antonio?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (XkWWK)

From what I understand, he's (Julian Castro) got some corruption problems and reportedly some "personal" issues.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (t06LC)

68 Well, we've already made a black guy the President. It's time to make history and keep that voter turn out high with a woman. Since Republican women aren't real women, I guess it has to be Hillary. Thank goodness I've already started drinking. Angostura rum goes down a lot better than the other stuff they keep trying to do in my mouth.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (mjR67)

69 Hillary > Obama, I'm sorry to say.

Won't be surprised if they run Michelle and sure as Hell won't be surprised if the American public elect them.

Other modern failed/failing states exhibit a trend of electing increasingly dictatorial fascists/socialists. There really isn't much evidence for the other except in the case of some of the former Soviet satellites, and their game is more alien than, say, Argentina.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (BgIBZ)

70 this just means the GOP will have fat fuck Christy as the nominee

Posted by: The Dude at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (tw6Ar)

71 Hillary's not Bubba. Besides, they're probably going to nominate Michelle, anyway.

Hillary's the likeable one. (words I never thought I'd say).

I'm more sanguine. I can't see the Dems winning after 8 years of Obama. Of course, I was convinced Romney would win, so there's that.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (6TB1Z)

72 Hil-Dog won't run I assure you.

The Dem nominee will be Brian Schweitzer (Montana Governor).

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (vjq6E)

73 Bob Dole is ready, willing and able to provide at least four hours of solid, firm leadership.

Posted by: Bob Dole! at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (m/eXi)

74
Ace, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Dextrosphere networking alone can reach and mobilize tens of thousands, perhaps much more. We can do stuff. What? I dunno. Raise awareness. Scream and shout. Make funny signs and stand outside the Today show.

If AoS, Redstate, Hot Air, and others can put their noggins together, we can make a point or two.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (ptD6d)

75 48

21Is anyone else really serious about secession?

No.
It will take a lot more pain and outrage for people to get really serious about it.


Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (CM59X)
I already have seceded. It's just a word, or concept, unless you do it yourself. I am not part of their process. They're alien to me. I make moves to protect what I have from them. I have a good plan as to what to do if real trouble breaks loose nearby. Lots of my friends are doing the same thing. Secession, under the radar. Until you grow a them and us attitude, you contribute to the problem.
This is how the Republicans are fucking up, incidentally.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (BoE3Z)

76

21Is anyone else really serious about secession?


I'd like to be, but it would be a very small republic in the middle of deep blue territory.

Formal "Secession" is just for theorists, though.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (UaxA0)

77 If it burns quick enough, she'll want no part of it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (cHr8a)

78 3 Well...there is a chance of a SMOD tomorrow. An incoming large meteor will be threading the needle between the Earth and the Moon.For reals...according to Space Weather dot com.

--------

Hmm. Looks like there are actually two; a SMOD candidate and a SMODINO.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (xGZ+b)

79 Teenage Boy Staring at Meat-Free Lunch With 25g of Bread and a Pile of Veggies: grain is being cut out too.

Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (OqWMe)

80 This is why I'm at camp LIB right now. We still have 12 more years of this shit.

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (UZQM8)

81

I'm old enough to remember Goldwater's debacle, and the bumper stickers on Caddys all over Texas that read: 25 million club. The newspapers had articles stating that Republicans were now a permanent minority party.


Time for stickers that read: 59 million club?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (1Y+hH)

82 Of course, the GOP will find an even worse candidate for our next run.


Posted by: weft cut-loop


That right there is the attitude we need to avoid. Everyone was poormouthing this year's candidates in '11, but saying "look at our bench for '16". I think that still holds. Ryan was my first pick, and he's still the odds on favorite. Bush may as well just pack it in. There is zero chance of his getting the nom.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (6TB1Z)

83 @66
It'll be like Catalonia when it happens. States will decide there's just more downside than upside (waaaaaay to much debt than block grants)
Second, so? Confederate states weren't completely confederate, nor were all the Colonies fully rebel. It turns out historically speaking, generally 30% of a populace adamantly for rebellion is all that is needed.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (t06LC)

84 If the dems are smart they would never run a white guy ever again.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (NzBQO)

85
Yuck. However, Tepid Air is correct in that the DOPE Party has no one to counter Shrillary's alleged popularity, since ability, competance, and a desire for what's best for the country aren't considerations anymore.

We have another Bush! If Jeb gets serious about a run in '016, then I will burn my R voter registration card on the local courthouse steps. I suppose it's his "turn."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (yiIja)

86 Shit. After 8 years of Obama i would vote for Hillary.....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (hq+RW)

87 Yesterday a Moron coined a fantastic term for those who will decide who gets to lose in 2016

D.O.P.E. = Dumb Old Party Establishment

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (wwsoB)

88 @84

If the white guys are smart, they'll bail on the Democratic Party.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (a0nis)

89 I will burn my R voter registration card on the local courthouse steps.

I will join you. I think I'll throw my bra in too, just for fun.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (mjR67)

90 LIB/LIBfaster 2016! I figure SMOD had its shot already and didn't show.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (eHIJJ)

91 Hillary of the cattle futures? Of the Rose Law Records? Of the Watergate committee? Of the Sir Emund Hillary namesake and Marine enlistment? Of the reset button and Benghazi fame? Of thebestest friends with the muslim brotherhoodconnected chick? Of the damn jew bastardsoutburst? That Hillary?

Of course those are positive aspects according to the electorate today.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (m2CN7)

92 I'm more sanguine. I can't see the Dems winning after 8 years of Obama. Of course, I was convinced Romney would win, so there's that.
Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (6TB1Z)

I'd agree with that. If 12 was the Bizarro 04, then we can only guess how things might turn out. But, then again.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (t06LC)

93 Hillary is as big of a socialist as the bamster. So there's that.

Posted by: Fresh at December 10, 2012 05:42 PM (O7ksG)

94
56A state needs to go Federalist. Texas seems like the best candidate. Others would follow.

Why should Texas be the one to stick it's neck out?

The bigreason for the Federal Govt to come down hard on any state which tries to secede...will be the Debt.
The Debt will be the big issue.

"How dare they try to leave the Union and leave us with all this Debt!"
That would be their big defense for sending troops to quell a secession attempt.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:42 PM (CM59X)

95 How's my ass taste now, GOP?

Posted by: Michael Steele at December 10, 2012 05:42 PM (ufLRj)

96 Hillary is one of the most overrated pols out there. She has a completely manufactured reputation based on the glow of her husband.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (UypUQ)

97 Let's see her get around--

Deval Patrick.

While the black vote is only about 13% in a general election it is near--20% in a Democrat primary.IIRC

In South Carolina an early primary state the black vote is-

54%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#SCDEM

Posted by: Axelrod at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (r2PLg)

98 67
Michelle or that Marxist mayor of San Antonio?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (XkWWK)



From what I understand, he's (Julian Castro) got some corruption problems and reportedly some "personal" issues.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM

Since when is that a problem when the candidate is a leftist and a minority?

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (wwsoB)

99 #91: The proles have forgotten all that stuff, and the MBM will never mention it.

Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (OqWMe)

100 Things to Say to an Obama Voter Who Just Got Laid Off

1. "Hey, at least that successful Mormon businessman didn't win."

2. "Didn't your lady parts warn you this would happen?"

3. "Look at the Bright Side, Gay marriage passed in four states."

4. "Hey, Big Bird still has a job. Isn't that the important thing?"

5. "I am sure Obama cares deeply about your situation. Maybe he'll send you a postcard from Hawaii."

6. "Well, look at the bright side, Rush Limbaugh is getting a massive tax increase."

7. "Hey! Now you'll have more time to play with your unicorn."

8. "Isn't it worth losing your job to know that religious organizations now have to pay for abortions and contraceptives?"

9. "Well, now you and Keith Olbermann have something else in common."

10. "Forward

Posted by: Williard R at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (e8kgV)

101 I think it's too early to predict 2016.

I doubt the economy will improve by then, but voters apparently don't even care about the economy anymore, so who knows what'll happen?

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:44 PM (a0nis)

102 Wasn't that Larry O'Donnell, the fightenest, fighty fighter to ever brawl his way off of the mean streets of blue collar Boston? Newt should be thankful he still has all of his teeth.

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 05:44 PM (ZA675)

103 @94
They gonna send Texan soldiers? How about red staters in general?

What I can see is a blue state *cough california* cough going bankrupt and wanting a federal bailout. This will cause a crisis that will cause states to reevaluate the union. Bailing out a blue basketcase will not be a popular choice.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:44 PM (t06LC)

104
Sorry, but it ain't happening. The Regime will be pushing Michelle as the next president. Right after she's elected senator from Illinois to replace Dick Durbin.

I am not joking. This is not sarcasm. Ask yourself what the Regime would do, who they really trust, and who is electable, and only one name pops up.

Of course, there may be a war between the Clinton and Obama factions within the Democratic party; but my money is on the Regime and Michelle.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 10, 2012 05:45 PM (VrNoa)

105 Probably another dirty little secret of the Dem party-

they have a problem with female candidates and old union guys and misogynist "cultures" voting for them.

That's why the Dem hierarchy plotted against Hillary last time.

Posted by: Axelrod at December 10, 2012 05:45 PM (r2PLg)

106
I will join you. I think I'll throw my bra in too, just for fun.

Call me, we'll ride there together.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 05:45 PM (yiIja)

107 Why should Texas be the one to stick it's neck out?

They have the most resources. And I'm not suggesting secession but rather Federalism. A state needs to quit taking Federal money, even though they pay in. Ditch the Feds intrusive laws, bought with their own money. Cease enforcing any Federal statute that bothers them. Take the hit and show the result.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:46 PM (QupBk)

108 She's old and ugly. there's that. And she screeeeeetches when she speaks.

Posted by: Fresh at December 10, 2012 05:46 PM (O7ksG)

109 Won't matter who the Democrats run in 2016 if you have the present trajectory of SSDI claims and people willing to wait around for food stamps and benefits...tripping point may have been reached already.
Romney was completely right about starting down 47%...may be over 50% in 4 years- and DeTocoqueville absolutely nailed it about it being all over when you can vote yourself representatives who will give you other peoples money.

Posted by: jjshaka at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (SbO5L)

110 Another Clinton-Bush election battle in 2016?

I've had enough practical jokes for one evening. Good night, future boy!

Posted by: Doc Brown at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (QKKT0)

111 Since when is that a problem when the candidate is a leftist and a minority?



Posted by: kbdabear


Depends. Do me and my peeps get paid? We do? Then, hell's yea!

Posted by: Minority voter at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (6TB1Z)

112 It turns out historically speaking, generally 30% of a populace adamantly for rebellion is all that is needed.

Historically, only 10% active support is needed for a coup d'etat to fly, but the plotters must be ruthless in eliminating the major figures in the prior regime to prevent comeback tours. Fail in that and the coup is at risk.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (cHr8a)

113 Whoever is the Dem nominee in 2016, be assured that the Party will move heaven and earth to get them elected. They close ranks. Unlike some Parties. And they have the goodie-bag.

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (BoE3Z)

114 Noot did predict that Clinton's top end tax hike to 39.6% would lead to a long recession.

Instead we got a long bull market in jobs and the market.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (vjq6E)

115 grain is being cut out too.

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Just as well. Newsweak says that global warming will kill wheat anyway.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (XUKZU)

116 Hillary couldn't even beat some community organizer jerk from Chicago and now she's inevitable?

Posted by: Javelina Bomb at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (Wf+X1)

117 Didn't Newt say Hillary was going to win in 2008?

Posted by: Javelina Bomb at December 10, 2012 05:49 PM (Wf+X1)

118 How's my ass taste now, GOP?


Posted by: Michael Steele at December 10, 2012 05:42 PM (ufLRj)


Would it be racist to say "The same damn digested chitlins and collard greens it did last time, you worthless fuck."?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:49 PM (UK9cE)

119 Instead we got a long bull market in jobs and the market.

After the Republican took Congress.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (QupBk)

120 116
Hillary couldn't even beat some community organizer jerk from Chicago and now she's inevitable?

Posted by: Javelina Bomb


Plus now she's older, uglier, and tireder. I don't even know that she's even still interested. IOW, it's a little early to be cutting our wrists.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (6TB1Z)

121
103 @94
They gonna send Texan soldiers? How about red staters in general?


Oh it would be gutwrenching for a lot of our troops, for sure.
I doubt that any of our Oklahoma troops would fire on their own people.


What I can see is a blue state *cough california* cough going bankrupt and wanting a federal bailout. This will cause a crisis that will cause states to reevaluate the union. Bailing out a blue basketcase will not be a popular choice.

It's already been happening.
A goodly portion of the Stimulus went to bail out California...and other broke blue states.
And yet, there was very little 'public outrage' about it.

This is why there should be no further raise in the Debt Limit.
Let those profligate blue states go ahead and go bankrupt.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (CM59X)

122
Hillary couldn't even beat some community organizer jerk from Chicago and now she's inevitable?

She's The Smartest Woman On Earf! That's what the TV told me!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (yiIja)

123 IOW, it's a little early to be cutting our wrists.


Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (6TB1Z)

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Or too late, as the case may be.

Posted by: mama winger at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (P6QsQ)

124 Noot did predict that Clinton's top end tax hike to 39.6% would lead to a long recession.

Instead we got a long bull market in jobs and the market.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM (vjq6E)


The tax hikes were balanced out by the growth of the IT sector, which was largely unregulated, thus decreasing the overall regulation of the economy.

THAT's why the '90's were good... but then the bubble popped and we got a recession in 2000/01

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (XvHmy)

125
Ace, don't use a highchair. Too much drop can cause decapitation, and that's messy for the relatives when they find you. This assumes you like your relatives.



I recommend leasing a Ferrari, disabling the air bag, leading a police chaseand kissing a bridge abuttment at 180. Have some fun on the way out.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (1Y+hH)

126 Hell, we couldn't beat Obama, so why would we think we could beat Hillary?

Remember kiddies, along NOT across!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (Cnqmv)

127 Would it be racist to say "The same damn digested chitlins and collard greens it did last time, you worthless fuck."?


Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:49 PM (UK9cE)
Yeah it would, but who the hell cares anymore - you conservative, you the devil. Besides Jamie Foxx gets to kill all the white people in his movie. How cool is that?

Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (BoE3Z)

128
"Michelle - despite what some here think - is appealing to many."


Yes -- but notto enough to win the Democratic nomination, let alone the Presidency.


On the Hillary thing -- first, this was Newt Gingrich's opinion. 50% of the time he is incredibly insightful and astute; the other 50% of the time he is batshit crazy (e.g, "I will win the Republican nomination"). I am not sure which category his Hillary prediction fits in, but I don't think she is as formidable as he thinks.


Second, this is Hillary Clinton -- not Bill Clinton. She is not nearly as skilled (or likeable) as Bubba. I think she has (had) incredible will power and drive, but that is not necessarily enough. She also is starting to look worn down and I don't she has distinguished herself as Secy of State.


Third, B. Clinton won after 3 terms of Republicans; Hillary would be trying to succeed Obumbles. If I was a betting man, I would bet he will be getting less popular after further rises in tax rates and all the taxes related to Obama Care.


I think Hillary has a decent shot at winning the nomination, and (guessing 4 years out) a reasonable shot at winning the Presidency. But, I am not terribly worried about it at the moment.

Posted by: nc at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (YvFZ3)

129 Anybody want to buy a signed copy of "Hillary vs Condi 2008" by Dick Morris?

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (vjq6E)

130 3

Well...there is a chance of a SMOD tomorrow.

An incoming large meteor will be threading the needle between the Earth and the Moon.
For reals...according to Space Weather dot com.

xx

Don't worry. We've got your back on the 21st.

Posted by: the Ancient Mayans at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (z63Tr)

131 By 2016, Stephen Colbert will have been a senator from SC for two years! Clinton/Colbert 2016!!

I really need to drink more.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (9SwFX)

132 Whoever is the Dem nominee in 2016, be assured that the Party will move heaven and earth to get them elected.

OFA is the Obama junta's mechanism to hijack a big chunk of the Democrat party and morph it into something of their own creation under their control. Once this become readily apparent, there's going to be some traditional Democrats that splinter away.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (cHr8a)

133 Noot did predict that Clinton's top end tax hike to 39.6% would lead to a long recession.

Instead we got a long bull market in jobs and the market.


Against my better judgment, I'm going to engage the cargo cult dunce on this.

Perhaps he can explain the mechanism by which raising taxes increases jobs.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (QupBk)

134 Hillary is one of the most overrated pols out there.
She has a completely manufactured reputation based on the glow of her
husband.


Posted by: Serious Cat at December 10, 2012 05:43 PM (UypUQ)

THIS. I bet most of the electorate is oblivious to this. Hillary really has never had any quals. Just like Obama. Completely manufactured candidate. "Just like me" though, so a winner.

This is the future of governance, until something burns.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (zpqa2)

135 After the Republican took Congress.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:50 PM (QupBk)


And had 4 straight balanced budgets or whatever.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (UK9cE)

136 Anybody want to buy a signed copy of "Hillary vs Condi 2008" by Dick Morris?

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Rumor has it that Morris and Rove have been banned by Fox News for being so, uhhh, unright.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (XUKZU)

137 114
Noot did predict that Clinton's top end tax hike to 39.6% would lead to a long recession.

Instead we got a long bull market in jobs and the market.


Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:47 PM

Along with a collapse of the dot-coms and a recession in 2000


Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (wwsoB)

138 The economy grew in the 90's in spite of Clinton and not because of him.

All I can say is Clinton is lucky that Al Gore invented the internet.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (m2CN7)

139 Besides Jamie Foxx gets to kill all the white people in his movie. How cool is that?


Posted by: tubal at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (BoE3Z)



AND how BLACK is that?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (UK9cE)

140 there's going to be some traditional Democrats that splinter away.

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Democrats don't splinter away. Ever.

Posted by: mama winger at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (P6QsQ)

141
While the nation narrowly went for Obama again, his second term will either end like George W Bush (economic ruin) or Richard Nixon (political ruin).

Typical LIBINO. Expect both! (and don't forget societal for the trifecta)

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 10, 2012 05:54 PM (bbTyq)

142
I recommend leasing a Ferrari, disabling the air bag, leading a police chaseand kissing a bridge abuttment at 180. Have some fun on the way out.

I was kinda hoping to die at the sexual mercy of that last pair of Playboy twins, whoever they were.

Either them or Christina Hendricks. I'm not picky.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 10, 2012 05:54 PM (yiIja)

143 Once this become readily apparent, there's going to be some traditional Democrats that splinter away.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:52 PM (cHr8a)


Keeping the dynastic seat warm for Malia may not inspire confidence in the party apparatchiks the way it used to, comrades!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 05:54 PM (Cnqmv)

144 I recommend leasing a Ferrari, disabling the air bag, leading a police chaseand kissing a bridge abuttment at 180. Have some fun on the way out.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 05:51 PM (1Y+hH)

Or you could just sleep with me without a condom. Roll the dice Ace.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 10, 2012 05:55 PM (t06LC)

145 Part of me finds it amusing that the feminyst set who can't utter a sentence without using the word "patriarchy" would be pushing for a woman who'd be an absolute nobody if not for riding her unfaithful husband's coattails.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 05:55 PM (SY2Kh)

146 The gimmedats are inside the wire. Time to call a fire mission down on our position...

Posted by: John Wayne at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (84b7V)

147 Perhaps he can explain the mechanism by which raising taxes increases jobs.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM

You know, because everyone in the government is super smart and knows better than you how to spend your money

You know, Solyndra, Shitulus, and A123

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (wwsoB)

148 60 If Hillary wants to run, let her. I'd like to see how she plans to turn out the minority vote.
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (a0nis)


Hillary/Michelle 2016 -- Go Wide!

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (CWlPF)

149 Hillary is the honey badger.

Hillary don't care who wins 2012. She could have taken Romney on in 2016, she can easily take on anyone else seeking the nomination.

Hillary (and Bill) have purchased the files and assets of the DLC, the party-within-a-party that Bill set up to get the nom for himself .. and the 2014 race is almost idea for Bubba to dole out favors. (if you're a Dem candidate, would you want to be seen with Slick Willie or Obama?)

That said, Gingrich is doing-unto-others here .. setting the narrative early, hoping to make Hillary inevitable because then he can help the GOPer to crush the honey badger.

Gingrich is the liver-eater.

Mew

Posted by: acat at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (4UkCP)

150 Investment is indifferent to tax policy.

Its like Warren Buffett (#1 capitalist) says - no one ever asks what their tax liability will be when they are told about a great investment opportunity.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (vjq6E)

151
"Part of me finds it amusing that the feminyst set who can't utter a sentence without using the word "patriarchy" would be pushing for a woman who'd be an absolute nobody if not for riding her unfaithful husband's coattails."

Yeah -- that is weird, and yet the eyes of feminists just glaze over when you note that fact. Their brains litterally do not seem capable of processing the information.

Posted by: nc at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (YvFZ3)

152 I know it's the same joke every time, but I love the "your mouth" jokes that end the posts. I just crack up every time you use it.

Posted by: Hal at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (2wZs/)

153 If the troll remembers, the tax rates came along with welfare reform and caps on entitlements

This time? FWEEEE SHITTTTT !!!!

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (wwsoB)

154 Perhaps he can explain the mechanism by which raising taxes increases jobs.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:53 PM (QupBk)

Simple human nature comrade, the bourgeoisie have to work harder just to stay in the same place, so they farm out that all extra work to the peasants, voila more jobs!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (Cnqmv)

155 You know, because everyone in the government is super smart and knows better than you how to spend your money

You know, Solyndra, Shitulus, and A123



Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 05:56 PM (wwsoB)



But food stamps and welfare create JOBS and stimulate the ECONOMY!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (UK9cE)

156 Hillary/Michelle 2016 -- Go Wide!

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (CWlPF)


That sounds like the next new hit PI show on ABC "Fatass and Pantsuit" coming in Fall 2015.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 06:00 PM (UK9cE)

157 Investment is indifferent to tax policy.

Which is dodging the question. What is the mechanism by which Clinton raising the taxes on income created jobs? You asserted that, back it up you cargo cult dummy.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 06:00 PM (QupBk)

158 Democrats don't splinter away. Ever.

OK, call it remaining with the downsized "Democrats" then as the OFA zombies go off on their own.

There's gonna be a choice - do they sign on with OFA and its own candidates, or continue to back the diminished Democrat brand?

Right now, they ARE two distinct entities. I don't see people like Harry Reid or Chuckie Schumer signing on to campaign under the OFA brand rather than the Democrat brand.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (cHr8a)

159 A Chair, A Rope, A Rafter

No, you can't, you're going on holidays.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (f88gl)

160 But food stamps and welfare create JOBS and stimulate the ECONOMY!!!!!


Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 05:58 PM (UK9cE)

Yes, and every dollar spent on welfare generates ~$1.75 in new "revenue" for Uncle Sugar!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:01 PM (Cnqmv)

161 Hillary is already a rockstar. The rockstar strategy wins elections. Why try to create a rockstar when you already have one?

This will happen as long as she remains a rockstar. Only other up-and-coming rockstars (e.g., possibly moochelle) would ever be considered.

This is another reason we're fucked, btw. We cannot have rockstars; it goes against our principles, even if it were allowed by the MFM and current game rules.

This is the new governance now, until LiB happens.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (zpqa2)

162
Investment is indifferent to tax policy.




Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 06:00 PM (QupBk)

Not when the tax policy has sucked all the investment income out of the economy!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (Cnqmv)

163 Our world is changing so rapidly who knows what the common outlook will be in 2015/2016.
I think that we may see damage done to this country we haven't anticipated yet.
Hillary looks awful and I can't see her looking any better in 4 years. Optics matter and she looks worn out and older than her actual age.

Posted by: Cheri at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (G+Wff)

164 hello walls, i'm going to stare at you awhile...

Posted by: Shoey at December 10, 2012 06:03 PM (m6OUa)

165 Hillary is already a rockstar.

So is Keith Richards...

...sometimes I can't tell them apart

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (cHr8a)

166
Optics matter and she looks worn out and older than her actual age.


The scars will fade a lot in 3 years. If she's gonna make a run, she's gonna get some work done.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:05 PM (cHr8a)

167 dick -

raising taxes does not create jobs. No one said it did.

nor did lowering taxes create jobs (see Dumbya 2001-2009)

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (vjq6E)

168 104 I am not joking. This is not sarcasm. Ask yourself what the Regime would do, who they really trust, and who is electable, and only one name pops up.

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Valerie Jarrett?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (NmR1a)

169 Gee, maybe Hillary could run as a RINO.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 10, 2012 06:06 PM (BVkEs)

170 165 Hillary is already a rockstar.

So is Keith Richards...

...sometimes I can't tell them apart
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:04 PM (cHr8a)

Keith Richards has been mainlining heroin and booze since he was 18. What's Hillary's excuse?

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 06:07 PM (CWlPF)

171 raising taxes does not create jobs. No one said it did.
nor did lowering taxes create jobs (see Dumbya 2001-2009)


So, just for the record, you're now asserting that tax policy has no effect on employment or economic growth? This is what you are asserting, yes?

Since I'm already wasting my time with you, dunderkind, I want to get this right.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (QupBk)

172 raising taxes does not create jobs. No one said it did. nor did lowering taxes create jobs

Easy thought experiment.

100% tax, no exceptions or brackets. Q: Do you keep working? If so, explain why.

0% tax, no exception or brackets. Q: will you keep work?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:10 PM (cHr8a)

173 Keith Richards has been mainlining heroin and booze since he was 18.

Given the fucked condition the country is in, I'd say he was a genius well ahead of his time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:13 PM (cHr8a)

174
Hillary is a tired old woman. She will be tireder and older in 2016,

24 years of the Clintons in national politics in 2016. Really?

Time flies when you're having fun.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 10, 2012 06:15 PM (RFeQD)

175 Tax policy changes of a point or two mean nothing in terms of job creation.

Again I ask - when Dumbya cut taxes from 39% to 35% why was there no job creation for his eight year two terms?

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 06:17 PM (vjq6E)

176 Tax policy changes of a point or two mean nothing in terms of job creation.

A medical device manufacturer just announced that they've canceled plans to build 6 new domestic manufacturing facilities.

Care to try again?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 06:23 PM (cHr8a)

177 @50

She's not that good of a candidate in case you forgot.

Of course, the GOP will find an even worse candidate for our next run.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 05:33 PM (TtXjG)


You rang?

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at December 10, 2012 06:26 PM (54vf8)

178 I for one welcome my new Democrat Overlords

Posted by: Johm Mavericky McCain at December 10, 2012 06:28 PM (1YIWv)

179 Don't forget me!


Stay in the bushes, people. Stay in the bush.


Posted by: Jeb Bush at December 10, 2012 06:28 PM (54vf8)

180
mAssachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, 2016

Posted by: Once You Vote Black, You Can Never Go Back at December 10, 2012 06:30 PM (1YIWv)

181 I call bullshit on the six plants claim.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (vjq6E)

182 The good news is that it is anything but guaranteed that Hillary will be next president. The bad news is that it's because the chances are so good that it will be another Democrat, that there's gonna be a long line of younger, and more Liberal Democrats who aren't willing to just hand over the nomination in what should be a gimme election.

Posted by: SamInVA at December 10, 2012 06:36 PM (YCvRs)

183 Shocker. Scarborough likes medved. So two losers agree.

Posted by: douglas at December 10, 2012 06:39 PM (7zzd8)

184 I don't know if Hillary will win. But it's pretty much a given a Democrat will. The GOP is finished as a national party.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 06:48 PM (HDgX3)

185 We could migrate to Mexico.... take it over... spread some right wing common sense there... maybe Belize? Mcafee was just stoopid.... Migrate enmass and we'll git it done...

Posted by: TA at December 10, 2012 06:54 PM (zoLzQ)

186 I dunno -- I keep hearing of a push to get *MICHELLE OBAMA* to run in 2016.

Considering how the last election played out, how could Michelle-Ma-Belle lose??? [Added bonus- the electronic voting machines are already programmed to give extra votes to the candidate named "Obama"!]

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at December 10, 2012 06:56 PM (hq0VE)

187 Back from delicious Szechuan beef.

Tax policy changes of a point or two mean nothing in terms of job creation.

Okay, so you are asserting a threshhold now. What is it, an approximation will do? 6%, 10%?

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 06:58 PM (QupBk)

188 Vote Clinton/Pelosi 2016

Posted by: Fart at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (erQJO)

189
She's not that good of a candidate in case you forgot.
Posted by: weft cut-loop




Hillary won two more Senate races than the guy we ran this year, so what does that make Mitt?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 10, 2012 07:04 PM (kdS6q)

190 Look, there is only one good reason to reduce taxes - it is to lower the tax burden.

Reagan had a top rate of 50% during the mid 80s and we did well.

Of course he had Democrat Volcker killing inflation.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 07:16 PM (vjq6E)

191
I've made the joke before, but it just keeps seeming appropriate. The Almighty told me he could get me and a few independent red states out of this mess, but he's pretty sure the rest of you are fucked.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 10, 2012 07:18 PM (QyMDY)

192 Reagan had a top rate of 50% during the mid 80s and we did well.

I had a ton of deductions then, even my phone bill was deductible. I could also note that Reagan turned a worse economy around in two years with a top rate of 33%, something your clusterfuck of a president hasn't done in four.

But you're dodging the question, what are you asserting is the threshold for taxes affecting employment?

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 07:22 PM (QupBk)

193 We'll do our usual routine of lazing about expecting a Reagan to fall out of the sky then when it doesn't happen we'll stay at home and blame everyone but ourselves for the Democrat victory

Because we have Principles

Posted by: SoCons at December 10, 2012 07:34 PM (fgbiK)

194 Reagan did not deal with a financial crisis. Dumbya lost $15 trillion in US wealth in a single year (200.

Reagan dealt with inflation (really Volcker did) and his claim to fame for it was firing the ATC strikers - the right thing to do.

I voted for Reagan and stand by that. The GOP went fucking looney with Dumbya - running spending from $1.9 trillion to $3.5 trillion and cutting taxes at the same time. The nutty Iraq War, Medicare Part D, etc

We could withstand a 42% top rate easily today just to pay down the profligate spending of 2001-2009.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 07:35 PM (vjq6E)

195 Aren't Hillary supporters all R A C I S T S or something? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: Dave M at December 10, 2012 07:40 PM (o++lv)

196 I voted for Reagan and stand by that.

I don't believe you, no one who voted for Reagan could have, short of traumatic brain injury, have voted for the SCoaMF and his 1.2 million million dollar annual deficit, but that's not important now.

But, a 42% rate would not effect employment negatively, yes? Am I reading this assertion correctly? So the threshhold is greater than 7%? Or even higher perhaps?

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:43 PM (QupBk)

197 Notice what liberals never campaign on? Gun control. Know why they don't? Because they understand the vast majority of Americans wants the right to own a gun. Libs still hate guns, they just don't throw elections away on guns.

I wish the Akin wing of the GOP would learn a lesson or two from this. You want to have 12 kids? Go for it. Stop imposing your bullshit on the rest of society.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (HDgX3)

198 dick-

Bush left a $1.2 trillion annual deficit in 2009.

Obama said he would he cut it in half (which he has failed to do).

Dumbya fucked up the GOP for a decade. You can't polish that turd.

And fuck his $700 billion TARP bailout too.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 07:51 PM (vjq6E)

199 Greater than a 7% threshhold for effecting employment? Or nay?

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 07:52 PM (QupBk)

200 MOO MOO - Obama has expanded gun rights twice.

AMTRAK and national parks are carry now thanks to Obama.

No one wants to take yer gun, you hick.

(I own guns)

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 07:53 PM (vjq6E)

201 My top tax rate is 42%.

(still less than Reagan but more than Obama)

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 07:55 PM (vjq6E)

202 My top tax rate is 42%.

I have to rule that not directly responsive. You asserted that a 2% increase in top marginal rates has no effect on employment. I tried to determine if there is a threshold that you would recognize as being detrimental to employment. You said that we could "withstand" a top rate of 42%. I can't tell if you are saying that a 7% increase would have no effect on employment, or that it would be a tolerable effect or what.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 08:02 PM (QupBk)

203 I wish the Akin wing of the GOP would learn a lesson or two from this. You want to have 12 kids? Go for it. Stop imposing your bullshit on the rest of society.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 07:46 PM (HDgX3)

There is no Akin wing of the GOP and--insofar as I know--no niche of the Republican Party is promoting a 12-child rule. If you're talking about Christians, you're referring to the overwhelming majority of right-of-center voters and they/we are, as a rule, a fairly tolerant bunch, all things considered.

So no, there's no Akin wing of the GOP. There is, however, an asshole wing. Say hi, asshole wing.

Posted by: troyriser at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (vtiE6)

204 But, you have got me tracking down the actual rates for the Reagan era, kemp-Roth, the 1986 reform bill etc.

Posted by: dick cheese stirs the pot! at December 10, 2012 08:04 PM (QupBk)

205 Reagan's top rate was 50% until the TRA of 1986 lowered that rate to 28% for CY 1987. The Reagan revolution happened with a higher rate than Obama now proposes.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 08:10 PM (vjq6E)

206 Reagan's top rate was 50%

Down from 70%. And as I noted, a lot more deductions so the effective rate was much, much lower. If we go back to those rates, can I have my deductions back?

Threshold? If you don't recognize there being any threshold you should just say that because I'm losing interest in dealing with your bootless assertions. It's football time.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 08:24 PM (QupBk)

207 Which deduction do you want back for that 22% delta at the top?

Credit interest?

Don't be a fool. Top men don't pay interest on credit cards.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 10, 2012 08:30 PM (vjq6E)

208 PREDICTION:

Obama won in 2012 like GWB won in 2004.

By 2016, Obama and the Democrats will be as popular as GWB and his ilk were in 2008.

Meaning ... Hillary wont be the next President.

Clip-n-save.

Not a real prediction. Just consider the happy thoughts cheap suicide insurance.

PS. Top rate at the END of Reagan's term: 28%!!!!

We could use a man like Ronald Reagan again.


Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at December 10, 2012 10:13 PM (oLIxy)

209 "I think that Hillary will bow out when Moochelle announces her candidacy."

WTF?!?!

3rd world banana Repu ... MONARCHY?!?!

Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at December 10, 2012 10:15 PM (oLIxy)

210 "Bush left a $1.2 trillion annual deficit in 2009."

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

The Democrats in Congress passed FY 2009 budget. Bush vetoed it. It spent too much. So the Democrats waited for Bush to push off... and in March 2009 OBAMA SIGNED THE FY 2009 budget adding almost $200 billion above and beyond what supposedly big spender Bush wanted. In those first few months, Obama added Schip spending bill *and* the $800 billion stimulus *AND* TARP-II, and he dipped into the TARP-I and atuo bailout slush fund to spend on cronies, pals and take over GM and Chrylser.

ALL THIS SPENDING WAS PASSED BY DEMOCRATS AND SIGNED BY OBAMA, ON OBAMA'S WATCH.

Liars want to pin it on GWBush to 'prove' Obama's fiscal rectitude that doesnt exist. Obama signed $2 trillion in new spending in his first 6 months. THAT is why the FY2009 deficit was quadruple th $250b deficit of the Republican Congress.

Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at December 10, 2012 10:20 PM (oLIxy)

211 "I voted for Reagan and stand by that. The GOP went fucking looney
with Dumbya - running spending from $1.9 trillion to $3.5 trillion and
cutting taxes at the same time. The nutty Iraq War, Medicare Part D, etc"


LIAR!

The last Republican budget was in FY 2007 and it spent $2.6 trillion, not $3.5 trillion. The deficit was $250b.

It's not Republicans who went way off the rails. Not that FY 2007 was lean, but ... The massive spending sprees started in FY2008 when the Democrats Pelosi, Reid and their earmark-happy hypocrite Democrat chairman started writing the budgets, and accelerated under Obama when the Democrats had free rein to do whatever they wanted ... and what did they want?

More spending, higher taxes, more regulations, higher deficits, and $6 trillion in debt added in 4 years ...

oh, and a bonus: For the 4 years Nancy Pelosi was speaker, we lost 7 million jobs ... and we STILL dont have 'em all back yet.

Posted by: Harry P Ness Reid at December 10, 2012 10:26 PM (oLIxy)

212 The Republican Party in its current incarnation is finished. It doesn't have much appeal by coming across as angry. I think the Dems will win in a walk in 2016. Then he Republicans will get their act together and win in 2020.

Posted by: The Vulture at December 10, 2012 11:18 PM (xocZy)

213
Good posts, Harry P Ness Reid. I'm going to save those stats.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 11, 2012 12:11 AM (WYTHl)






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