Obama Encouraging Supporters To Randomly Phone Other Citizens To Tell Them Obama's Trying to Keep Middle Class Taxes Low or Something

So, this.

Aiming to bring public pressure on Republicans to back higher taxes for the rich in the “fiscal cliff” fight, the Obama-Biden campaign today began urging supporters to join a local, online phone bank to help the president blast the GOP.

In an email, supporters are directed to a “Call Tool” where they are provided with somebody to call. Include is a telemarketing-style script to read.

A successful effort will then be tabulated on a “leaderboard” of callers.

“Today you will be calling fellow supporters with a message about extending middle-class tax cuts. Your job is to lay out the choice Congress is facing on keeping taxes low for the middle class, and encourage supporters to call their representative. You will be able to provide all the information,” said the memo emblazoned with the Obama-Biden campaign emblem.

The proper reaction to this is ridicule and jeering. But that's only the proper reaction because we didn't think of this first. The best option -- doing this ourselves -- is closed off to us, so we should make fun of it.

I can think of a lot of good reasons for this sort of thing.

1. Work as Play. I think the Obama Minions cleaned our clocks on a very basic concept about human behavior: We will more readily pursue activities that seem like "play" than seem like "work."

Goofy as this is -- and it is goofy, I grant you, but it's goofy because people are goofy -- it gives people a "play" mode for political work. Which leads to the next point.

2. Many intense partisans feel that that the party is letting them down and not fighting hard enough unless it is constantly offering them new avenues for fighting. Offering them opportunities to fight has two important benefits: 1, you actually get people doing political work and keeping politically invested (remember, once you get someone to contribute even a dollar to a cause, or ten minutes of time, you've psychologically invested them in victory and this in turn will propel them to sacrifice even more for victory). 2, they will not carp about the party "rolling over" and "surrendering" and "giving up" and "refusing to fight" because you're offering them any number of fresh outlets for Keeping Up The Fight.

I think the purpose of this game is not persuasion of other voters, but the illusion of the opportunity to persuade other voters, which itself leads to increased morale among the True Believers.

And that's not nothing. I know a lot of conservatives right now are looking for ways to Fight, and get mad at me for not thinking of such ways (such as organizing an email campaign urging Boehner to get some backbone, etc.). No one likes losing, and many within a party will grow to hate the party if they see others accepting loss.

I do not know the actual value of this particular avenue for Fight Fight Fighting -- I expect it's quite low -- but I know it at least shows "We're not done yet" and "We've not yet begun to fight" and other such sentiments which are very important to the most committed, Fightiest partisans.

And the Democrats actually won, so this is just offered for those who can't even accept some time off after a victory but rather still want to do more for the cause.

Now, given the Republicans lost, I imagine this sort of thing would be even more psychically useful for a despondent party rank and file which is beginning to feel everything is hopeless (and a feeling of hopelessness leads directly to a lack of action and a grim acceptance of the status quo -- classic depression, of course).
Immediately post-election, a NYT article revealed that the Obama campaign had consulted a group of psychologists and psychiatrists about methods of animating their voters and possible potential voters.

The Obama campaign did not brag about this during the election -- it's off-putting to know a campaign is using head-shrinkers' ploys against oneself -- but after the election they let the cat out of the bag, that they had weaponized behavioral science.

This election season the Obama campaign won a reputation for drawing on the tools of social science. The book “The Victory Lab,” by Sasha Issenberg, and news reports have portrayed an operation that ran its own experiment and, among other efforts, consulted with the Analyst Institute, a Washington voter research group established in 2007 by union officials and their allies to help Democratic candidates.

Less well known is that the Obama campaign also had a panel of unpaid academic advisers. The group — which calls itself the “consortium of behavioral scientists,” or COBS — provided ideas on how to counter false rumors, like one that President Obama is a Muslim. It suggested how to characterize the Republican opponent, Mitt Romney, in advertisements. It also delivered research-based advice on how to mobilize voters.

“In the way it used research, this was a campaign like no other,” said Todd Rogers, a psychologist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government and a former director of the Analyst Institute. “It’s a big change for a culture that historically has relied on consultants, experts and gurulike intuition.”

When asked about the outside psychologists, the Obama campaign would neither confirm nor deny a relationship with them...

And while most of them won't talk -- pretending they did very, very little, and that the only thing that moved votes was the Power of Obama's Detailed and Forward-Thinking Agenda -- others are more candid:

...

“A kind of dream team, in my opinion,” Dr. Fox said.

He said that the ideas the team proposed were “little things that can make a difference” in people’s behavior.

It seems to have worked. Or, I can't prove it worked, but the theory behind some of these ploys certainly seems solid enough for investigation and emulation.

Corporations spend a lot of money on marketing, and marketers' work is based largely on psychology. As I have no connection with the RNC, I can't say that we have no psychology-based marketing going on. In fact, I strongly doubt that we have none of that.

That said, it also seems to me that the Obamabots are using more of this stuff, taking it more seriously, always trying to think of new ways to keep their voters involved and psychologically invested.

You may say this is creepy. I would also say it's creepy. I'm creeped out by this crap.

But it may actually be effective, and we might want to start considering this sort of thing.

I imagine that right now a common feeling in the RNC is "We just lost, after getting our voters very animated to vote and volunteer for us; it would be wrong and unseemly to ask them to do more for us right now, when they're dejected."

However, I think maybe the exact opposite might be true: Given that people are dejected and hopeless, perhaps now is precisely the time to ask people to do things. Nothing defeats depression like taking active steps to do something. Anyone who is depressed will find that doing anything -- anything, from vacuuming the house to, say, learning Francais -- helps alleviate the depression.

Maybe the RNC should think that way, and start trying to think of ways that people can get a sense of mastery over their own political fates by offering up organized activities for politicking, too. Even if the activity has little actual usefulness, sometimes a placebo can work wonders on a patient.

3. Last point: The Democrats have been running on a Middle Class Tax Cut for so long it seems it's always been this way.

The greatest political failure of the Republican Party, and the Romney campaign, was to give up what had always been our most powerful position.

It's not that we actually changed our minds on it -- we didn't -- but we allowed the Democrats to say "We support lowering taxes on the Middle Class" so often, with the implication (and outright explicit statement) that we don't.

And we never knocked them down on this -- no, if you're supporting raising government spending to WW2 emergency levels forever, you certainly are also planning to raise taxes on the middle class. It's called math, and it offers some conclusions to those who invest in a pencil and scratch pad.

But notice they're out there saying "We want to keep middle class taxes low!" and we're saying... I don't know what we're saying. We're entirely reactive. We are way behind in the OODA loop.

Posted by: Ace at 04:24 PM



Comments

1 Obama is a SCFOAMT

Posted by: MoeRon at December 10, 2012 04:25 PM (yWDpP)

2 People are goofy? Jerking off a chiuaua ina church window during a service is goofy. People are fucking stupid.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (OlN4e)

3 So basically, we overestimated the American voter.

I can buy that.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (QupBk)

4 This is scary shit. Hitler youth, FDR CCC camps, and now Obamabots.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (wR+pz)

5 It doesn't matter what conservatives say anymore. The Free Stuff zombies are overrunning the house.

Posted by: dogfish at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (N2yhW)

6 It doesn't matter what conservatives say anymore. The Free Stuff zombies are overrunning the house.


Posted by: dogfish at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (N2yhW)

Yup. Some people still think we need to worry about how the deck chairs are arranged.






Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (bb5+k)

7 I severly doubt the GOP has people doing this. They have the worst marketing this side of "New Coke" running the place. Fuck, we're pretty plugged in and we don't know what the GOP's message is.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (t06LC)

8 Right to work in Michigan, bitchez.....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (wtvvX)

9 Yeah, don't answer the phone...

In other news I see the RNC has appointed a commision to see what went wrong with the election.

It's members are to Bush's, one Bush Spokesman and Henry Barbour.

Should I laugh now?

We're fooked.


http://tinyurl.com/bxbod9p

Posted by: marcus at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (GGCsk)

10 After my well-received speech last week, the waitress at the Red Lobster clearly gets that the GOP is the party that really stands for lower taxes on the Middle Class. The busboy seemed to understand it too, or at least, he kept nodding and smiling.

Posted by: I'm Mad as Heck at December 10, 2012 04:30 PM (QKKT0)

11 So they are keeping track of your work for the one.


Next up? Obama points you can use to cash in for government jobs!


Don't laugh. Ward bosses in Chicago keep track of your work for the party so you can keep your city job. No work for the party, no job.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 04:30 PM (wR+pz)

12 We need to help make these calls. Perfect LiB material...

Praise Lord Obama Holy Party of Free Shit

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 04:31 PM (zpqa2)

13 Fuck, we're pretty plugged in and we don't know what the GOP's message is.


"I care."

Posted by: John Boehnless (R) at December 10, 2012 04:31 PM (QKKT0)

14
It's members are to Bush's, one Bush Spokesman and Henry Barbour.

Should I laugh now?

We're fooked.


http://tinyurl.com/bxbod9p


Posted by: marcus at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (GGCsk)


I dunno, if they are naming Bush's to the commission, then it sounds like they've already identified the major fault with the party.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:32 PM (bb5+k)

15 I said in the last thread that Obama and Dems are conniving and they win. Why can't RNC be the same? Resting on their laurels after the election?

Obama is in permanent campaign mode and Republicans better do the same.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 04:32 PM (f88gl)

16
Republicans only make their cases and campaign during election season.

Now is the time to govern!

(and this is why we lose elections)

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 04:32 PM (ptD6d)

17 I pity the person who is going to have to deal with me if I answer the phone and hear anything about this.


Related, fuck Carville with the Barbed Cock of Satan sideways for the perpetual campaign. I heard a clip of him speaking on Rush while at lunch and nearly had a rage blackout.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 04:32 PM (VtjlW)

18 But it may actually be effective, and we might want to start considering this sort of thing.

I'd expand that to include anything not illegal.

A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

If you're gonna take the rap for something, you might as well do the crime.

Its the Alinsky way.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 04:32 PM (cHr8a)

19 We're going to raise taxes on millionaires and billionaires, but that also includes people / small businesses making $250,000 per year.

SHUT UP......that's why.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 04:33 PM (UK9cE)

20 'Pass This Bill' - all over again.

Posted by: garrett at December 10, 2012 04:33 PM (+flnv)

21 If they call you, keep the lines tied up for as long as possible. Some lefties can't help arguing, so disagree with their phone call, or just say "Obama is a SCOAMF"

Or, talk for a few seconds, say "hold on, I gotta pee, be right back", and let the phone sit there for a long time

If you can't beat 'em, fuck with 'em

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:33 PM (wwsoB)

22 I would love for someone to call me.

Posted by: Adam at December 10, 2012 04:34 PM (/YJYi)

23 Do NOT make the tactical error of calling me.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 04:34 PM (GFM2b)

24 I would love for someone to call me.

Make sure that they understand that the call may be monitored for quality purposes.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:34 PM (QupBk)

25 So, all conservatives should sign up, then sabotage the system.

Work as play. What can be more playful and fun than screwing over Democrats?

Posted by: Greg Q at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (4Pleu)

26
Obama is out there using factories as a backdrop while he makes his case. Republicans are nowhere doing nothing.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (ptD6d)

27 LIB.

Posted by: DefendUSA at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (nAHMK)

28 6
It doesn't matter what conservatives say anymore. The Free Stuff zombies are overrunning the house.

Posted by: dogfish at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM (N2yhW)
Yup. Some people still think we need to worry about how the deck chairs are arranged.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:29 PM (bb5+k)

The GOP will never be what we want it to be. A GOP that wins elections from this electorate will never be a comfortable place for conservatives.


Posted by: trainer @ work at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (QbdUW)

29 But notice they're out there saying "We want to keep middle class taxes low!" and we're saying... I don't know what we're saying. We're entirely reactive. We are way behind in the OODA loop.
___
M. Levin and Kudlow both suggested that the House GOP should present preazy with a middle class tax cut - ten per cent in addition to the Bush decrease - and put DL in a bind when he turns it down.

Posted by: kallisto at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (jm/9g)

30

The Dems are obviously terrified of letting all of the Bush Tax Cuts expire.

They would have to admit that there were bigger tax cuts for the middle class, than cuts for 'the rich'.

Just let the whole thing expire.
Then...when the Dems start calling for 'Tax Cuts for the Middle Class'...demand that they tell us how they will "pay for them".

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (CM59X)

31 The GOP is still sending me begger letters so they can "continue the fight". Fuck me runnin'. How much money do they need to spread their cheeks? Seems to me the leftards should be paying them.

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (OlN4e)

32 President Perpetual Campaign!
Let's face it, he's using campaign tactics to drum up support.
Fuck 'em I guess, because sadly it'll work.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (b3IgE)

33 I wonder if this explains the three calls from strange numbers I got in the middle of last night (I didn't answer, they didn't leave a message). Wicked easy for them to get a list of registered Republicans or Romney donors to harass.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Professional Grump at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (/kI1Q)

34 Remember that "Ride through them, they're disheartened" thing? Yeah, they're doing that to us.

Posted by: Secundus at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (yExak)

35 Those who pray to false idols and gods....................

Posted by: Wall_E at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (48wze)

36 25
So, all conservatives should sign up, then sabotage the system.

Work as play. What can be more playful and fun than screwing over Democrats?


Posted by: Greg Q at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (4Pleu)

Remember when the democrats did that on the Chicago radio show? They all called in and jammed the lines.
We need to be more pro active.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (wR+pz)

37 I guess they don't want people to randomly phone others and inform them that according to a new Battleground/George Washington University poll--


75% favor cutting government spending across the board.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (r2PLg)

38 I think there's an eighth amendment problem with this:

"Feds Tighten Belt Around Cohen's SAC With Weight Watchers Probe, Says Reuters"--headline, Forbes.com, Dec.8

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (XUKZU)

39 Ask the callers what free shit we're getting. Tell them that you demand your share of the free shit.

If you can't beat 'em, fuck with 'em

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (wwsoB)

40 So, all conservatives should sign up, then sabotage the system.

Work as play. What can be more playful and fun than screwing over Democrats?


Posted by Greg Q at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (4Pleu)

Oh yeah! They burn our house down, and we key their car!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (bb5+k)

41 The GOP will never be what we want it to be. A GOP
that wins elections from this electorate will never be a comfortable
place for conservatives.




Posted by: trainer @ work at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (QbdUW)

They're dead to me.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (zpqa2)

42 Well it does explain why all of this is happening now.

"Pigs Fly to China for Breeding"--headline, CBC.ca, Dec.7

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (XUKZU)

43

Where is this money coming from?

Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (LpQbZ)

44 Or, talk for a few seconds, say "hold on, I gotta pee, be right back", and let the phone sit there for a long time

If you can't beat 'em, fuck with 'em



Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:33 PM (wwsoB)


Nah...just make sure to drink water during the day. Don't tell them you have to go pee, just start peeing. Makes sure you hit the center of the bowl for the maximum effect.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (UK9cE)

45 The best option -- doing this ourselves -- is closed off to us

Why?

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 04:38 PM (f88gl)

46 37
I guess they don't want people to randomly phone others and inform them
that according to a new Battleground/George Washington University poll--





75% favor cutting government spending across the board.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM

Rasmussen had 52 percent favoring tax hikes on the rich

I have a hunch that the same percentage expects free shit

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:38 PM (wwsoB)

47 "psychically useful"?

It tells us the future?

Posted by: red sweater at December 10, 2012 04:38 PM (CUi62)

48 It doesn't matter what conservatives say anymore. The Free Stuff zombies are overrunning the house.


Posted by: dogfish at December 10, 2012 04:27 PM


Yes, except it is more accurate to say "they have overrun" the house. This is something that has been going on for years, and Republicans/"conservatives" were way late in waking up to it.

IMO, Ace's post shows why the intellectual approach will have us all standing around chit-chatting while the Titanic slips under the waves. We can all talk a good game; some of us are really brave and all with the "let it burn" and "time to go Galt" shit. What we do is talk; what the libs do -- and have been doing for decades -- is take action. They organize protests, boycotts, marches and demonstrations, which the Intellectual Conservatives snicker about.

It no longer matters what Hayek -- or, for that matter, Rush Limbaugh -- think. The activists have gotten what they wanted while we were yakking, which is power. It's as simple as that.

Until enough of us can see this, we will be nothing more than a fringe element. The Intellectual Conservatives will whine, ask us to subscribe to/pay for their newsletters, and hang out at D.C. cocktail parties and "Blogger's Rows" at Major Political Conferences.

And yet, the intellectuals won't be able to eat their philosophies. They were starve and suffer along with the rest of us.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 10, 2012 04:39 PM (yKUrR)

49 We can't let the Communists win the psychic arms race. We must beat them at their own game!

Posted by: red sweater at December 10, 2012 04:40 PM (CUi62)

50 If i get a call from some random obama supporter telling me any of the obama bullshit, i am going to go fucking apeshit on his ass over the phone.

Seriously...you cocksucking takers keep your shit in your own fucking backyard and dont you dare fucking ring me up with your bullshit.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at December 10, 2012 04:40 PM (ovpNn)

51 I shall taunt them a second time...

Posted by: walknot at December 10, 2012 04:40 PM (vo2je)

52 >>>The best option -- doing this ourselves -- is closed off to us

i just mean "because they did it first."

I don't really think it's closed off to us (as the rest of the post makes plain). I guess I just meant that rhetorically -- let's make fun of this, because it's a good idea we failed to think of first and so all we have left is making fun of it.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:40 PM (LCRYB)

53 I like how Liberals keep us psychologically invested in politics through their use of the "Lucy with a Football" Method, derived through the work of the esteemed Dr Lucille Van Pelt, originator of the 5-cent Therapy Stall

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (3ZtZW)

54


They have the momentum.

They are keeping up the pressure.

They want to destroy all that is conservative. And, they want to divide the GOP. They have the upper hand, we are taking the bait and falling for it.

The O brand, 24/7, still bringing in the cash.


I am going to repeat it again. Look north. See how Stephen Harper rebranded the right. It took time, but he never lost focus of his goal. And, now he's PM.

The left has defined the right. And, they will not let up.

A license to kill.

Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (LpQbZ)

55 I'd rather just look for ways to shelter my income and watch everything burn.

Posted by: taylork at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (ppNDn)

56 looks like I picked a bad time to find out I'm physiologically unaffected by physician-prescribed large doses of methylphediate a/k/a ritalin a/k/a AoSHQ Chewables ... freak of nature, me.

So, apparently, if I'm going to get through SCOAMF's 2nd term with my sanity intact I'm going to have to look into meth.

-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (RuUvx)

57 Just like the Bolsheviks, the revolution never ends. Because if it did, all the failure belongs to them, so there will always be scapegoats, traitors and saboteurs who are standing in the way of paradise.

That and the default setting of blame Bush and the evil rich. A simple lie is easier to explain than a complex truth, self-evident though it may be.

A very large portion of America is now so thoroughly brainwashed, that even if we employed this tactic, the phones would be slammed down on us.

Things are gonna get very, very ugly and I fear bloody.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (XkWWK)

58 NYT article here-

http://tinyurl.com/c5qe884

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (fWAjv)

59 Free doesn't always mean Free. Those thatwant free stuff from Uncle Barack must also do what Uncle Barack tells them whether they like it or not. Here boy/girl, sit, roll on your back, bark, beg...come-on boy/girl ..... You are a bad boy/girl, so no scooby snack for you .

Posted by: Wall_E at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (48wze)

60 the sad truth is obama has NEVER governed or even tried to. he has been on an habitual campaign for the last 25 years. we're fucked

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (jE38p)

61 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (5DR1j)

62 Rasmussen had 52 percent favoring tax hikes on the rich

I have a hunch that the same percentage expects free shit

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:38 PM (wwsoB)

__________________

The Battleground/GWU poll has them at 60%.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (r2PLg)

63 >>>"psychically useful"?

i'm not 100% sure of this but I'm pretty sure you can use "psychically" in this manner, meaning "as regards the psyche."

If not, I'm an innovator. I've been using it this way for years now. I always write "psychically discomfited" and stuff like that.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (LCRYB)

64 Legal insurrection had a post earlier with a clip from Judge Judy that explained perfectly why we're so fucked.

Black guy getting sued by his former roommate (black woman) for not paying rent. She told him she would pay the rent and he'd take care of "other things." He was getting College Grant money AND $430 PER MONTH for rent. For free.

And he wasn't using it to pay rent. When Judge Judy asked what he was spending the money on, he said "ME!"

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (UK9cE)

65 But it may actually be effective, and we might want to start considering this sort of thing.

Or it may be spectacularly ineffective, unless the desired effect is to make your followers look like complete fucking douchebags. Maybe one of the reasons we didn't think of this first is because you'd have to be a tone deaf asshole to think this was a good idea. Seriously, think about it. Do you know a single person you could call where the recitation of idiotic talking points would be appreciated? Politics is the fucking worst and it's populated by the fucking dumbest shitheels on the planet and their even dumber followers.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (+lsX1)

66 Things are gonna get very, very ugly and I fear bloody.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (XkWWK)


Yes and I would never have said that 4 years ago, but today, well.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (jE38p)

67
The GOP will never be what we want it to be. A
GOP that wins elections from this electorate will never be a comfortable
place for conservatives.



Posted by: trainer @ work at December 10, 2012 04:35 PM (QbdUW)

I don't believe our principles are the product of a subjective preference, I believe that they are reasoned expressions of what is natural law. If these principles are not followed, the system is going to fail anyway. A GOP that wins popularity costs while advocating failing policies is not something I want to support anyway.






Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (bb5+k)

68 The worst part about this is that the SCOAMF has even given them free phones to use for these calls that we paid for.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (VndSC)

69 NBC boycott.
56 million voted for Romney.
We get 10 million to boycott NBC forever, we screw their ratings forever. This gets the attention of the other commie networks. More importantly, it gets the attention of the advertisers who then go elsewhere.

Ace is a good place to start. Then we get Rush, Levin, Palin or Beck.

You all know it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (cVYiZ)

70 Leave us Ooda Loopas out of it!

Posted by: chocolate factory workers at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (UhXzR)

71 I guess I just meant that rhetorically -- let's make fun of this,
because it's a good idea we failed to think of first and so all we have
left is making fun of it.


Also, having a sharply-honed sense of snark will help to sustain us in the camps, where the wittiest inmate will certainly draw the largest flour ration.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (QKKT0)

72 I have to admit that I'm rather insular. I don't actually know a lot of stupid people. I know some lefties, and some poor people, along with a few ne'er do wells, but not a lot of stupid people. It always puts me at a disadvantage when discussing the inclinations of the public.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (QupBk)

73 It does appears the rift between the haves and have nots will increase under Obama. Not what the little nabobs that voted for Obama expected?

Posted by: Wall_E at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (48wze)

74 60 the sad truth is obama has NEVER governed or even tried to. he has been on an habitual campaign for the last 25 years. we're fucked
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (jE38p)

____________

Oh ya.

Un;ess he gets slightly concerned about Legacy--but with an MSM like Chris Matthews and Frank Rich to write it up--he probably doesn't even have to worry about that.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

75 -

It's turtles all the way down.

fuckin' commie turtles.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (RuUvx)

76 orange haired purple skinned sock off

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (UhXzR)

77 And the Democrats actually won, so this is just offered for those who can't even accept some time off after a victory but rather still want to do more for the cause.

They have four years to fundamentally transform America so they figure they better get cracking. Obama spelled it out in 2008 and the whole party agreed with him.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (f88gl)

78 66 Things are gonna get very, very ugly and I fear bloody.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (XkWWK)


Yes and I would never have said that 4 years ago, but today, well.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (jE38p)


That's why election night was so utterly shocking to me. I was physically ill not only about the results but what I knew it meant going forward.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (XkWWK)

79
If we produced my idea for a documentary, Subsidize Me, to show all the ridiculous wasteful spending for which Democrats demand we pay our "fair share," we would've won big in 2012.

And this whole 'fair share' tax argument would've been put to rest.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (ptD6d)

80 Another trick is to tell them you didn't hear what they said and ask to repeat it.. then say you still didn't hear, could they repeat it again. Telemarketers really HATE that shit

If you can't beat 'em, fuck with 'em



Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (wwsoB)

81 I got one of these calls. All it said was "The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep. And miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep."

I mean, WTF over?

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (3ZtZW)

82
Remember when the democrats did that on the Chicago radio show? They all called in and jammed the lines.
We need to be more pro active.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 04:36 PM (wR+pz)


Kiddie tactics. Till we can match their over the air propaganda weapon, we are only going to win so much as they allow us to win.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (bb5+k)

83 Do you know a single person you could call where the recitation of idiotic talking points would be appreciated?

Note that they are calling "supporters", not trying to make converts. It sounds less douchey when they are on your side.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (QupBk)

84 NBC boycott, part II
Every one of you contributes to NBC's bottom line every time you switch to NBC for anything (including football).

Only Neilsen households get counted. you say?
Wrong. Every cable subscriber provides reams of data every time you turn on your cable box...
Every channel you watch.
Every time you fast-forward.
Every time you skip an ad...
Everything.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (cVYiZ)

85 Once again, to beat the Democrats, we have to become more like them. I can't do it.
I can't just start cold-calling strangers to browbeat them about my politics. I can't even convince people I know that I'm correct.


Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (YmPwQ)

86
"Obama wants to keep middle class taxes low, by onlyraising the taxes of millionaires, which includes those who make $250,000 or more."

THAT is why Republicans lose elections; when voters (low information or otherwise) can nod their heads and agree with that above statement, their is nothing Republicans can do (short of stripping them of their voting rights) to repudiate or combat that. At least I can't do it;it gives me a migraine headache trying to think down to that level.

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (boNGU)

87
52 >>>The best option -- doing this ourselves -- is closed off to us

i just mean "because they did it first."

I don't really think it's closed off to us (as the rest of the post makes plain). I guess I just meant that rhetorically -- let's make fun of this, because it's a good idea we failed to think of first and so all we have left is making fun of it.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:40 PM (LCRYB)

-------------

That's right, Ace.

For years we've been hearing the Dems say:

"The Bush Tax Cuts are tax cuts for the Rich!"

"We're not against Tax Cuts...but they must tell us how we're going to Pay for those Tax Cuts!"

These are riduculous, of course.
But people will remember these because the Dems repeated them over and over.

They deserve to have them replayed back at them.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (CM59X)

88 Ask the callers what free shit we're getting. Tell them that you demand your share of the free shit.

If you can't beat 'em, fuck with 'em

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:37 PM (wwsoB)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This. x1000

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (GFM2b)

89 If he was able to GET AWAY WITH saying:

-The private sector is fine
-You didn't build that
-I was too polite
-Voting is the best revenge

and so on, then god help us

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (4eNxd)

90 80 Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (wwsoB)


Yup. I did this to SCOAMF fur Amerika callers before the election. Basically called them out on every lie they tried to sell. And they could not refute them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (XkWWK)

91 Republicans need to reenforce the notion that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were only for the wealthy and going over the cliff will only effect the "wealthy."

Imagine their surprise when they find out that they are "wealthy" post-cliff.

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (e8kgV)

92 boy obama's such a great leader. what a dolt

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (QxSug)

93 Here is what I noticed (I am on the email list for OFA so I get all of these emails):

They have made the Obama supporters feel like they are in a super-exclusive club of people "in the know." They keep them actively involved by having them meet to watch speeches. They give them little jobs to do (like calling friends) to make them feel part of the team. (Another reason this "call your friends" thing works is because people value the opinion of a friend over a pundit or a candidate.

Notice the dems are not split into different camps. Notice they do not form circular firing squads (at least in public). Notice that NO democrat criticizes Obama, other than a couple of people in Congress who are never seen on TV.

We need to develop party discipline and party unity. Do not be coming at me with your attacks on so-cons, or libertarians, or fiscal conservative/social liberals. If we are going to win all of these groups are going to have to suck it up.

We have to bring the moron sense of unity to the GOP. I would like our motto to be something like, "Who made you the boss of us?"

Issues to be addressed:

1. Inflation hurting the working poor and the elderly. And shove their manipulated inflation number (which leaves out food and fuel) right back in their faces.

2. Increase in health insurance costs for most people. And how are those beauticians at my salon, who are independent contractors and have NO insurance, going to suddenly be able to afford an extra $3000-4000 per year for insurance?

3. Make a one-minute commercial which explains unemployment, similar to Schoolhouse Rock. Run it on networks like Lifetime, TNT, Spike, and whatever.

There is more. There are creative people in the conservative groups who are kept on the sidelines while the big-shot experts call the tune, and these people are behind the times.

We need to get busy doing stuff, and all I see are hands out for money but with no plan!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 04:47 PM (GoIUi)

94 I don't believe our principles are the product of a
subjective preference, I believe that they are reasoned expressions of
what is natural law. If these principles are not followed, the system is
going to fail anyway. A GOP that wins popularity costs while advocating
failing policies is not something I want to support anyway.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:43 PM (bb5+k)

Well said. And the scary thing (for the GOP) is that this election cycle probably has caused this concept to resonate with millions, who will now be former GOP supporters. The GOP is dead - it just doesn't know it yet.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (zpqa2)

95 Related, the Free Shit Army on the march today.
http://is.gd/OdD862

Apparently no one told them Medicare got cut to fund Obamacare. But somehow, I doubt that will matter.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Professional Grump at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (/kI1Q)

96 I think this is a lot of bullshit aimed at keeping some campaign people employed doing something, and keeping some already-in-the-tank political reporters writing about how those same campaign people are brilliant and doing stuff we haven't seen before. It's burnishing the meme that Team Obama has come up with an entirely new and fabulously effective way to run a campaign.

It isn't going to work.

Because Obama didn't run on any of this shit. He ran on I'm Not the Shifty Asshole Who Wants To Take Away Your Birth Control and Send Your Job to China. The people that voted for Obama don;t expect him to actually DO anything now, they are just glad the Shifty Asshole lost and the rubes out in the sticks who voted for him have a sad.

If Obama was actually a decent politicians none of this stuff would even be thought about. He would give a speech and the people would rally around him. But he sucks, so he has to build and activatethis whole infrastructure to create a veneer of competence and innovation about him.

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (aBlZ1)

97 i just mean "because they did it first."

So what? We can make fun of it and make use of it at the same time. Walking, chew gum, that sort of thing.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (f88gl)

98 There are really no have and have nots.

There are people who work for what they have and people who do not work for what they have.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (m2CN7)

99 @ 80 - That is most excellent. A new tactic to employ.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 10, 2012 04:48 PM (2iFg8)

100 Lefties hate being told that they're all about free shit. They insist that they're not expecting handouts, they work hard, and they only want a fair shake

Then they demand mortgage or student loan forgiveness. You see, borrowing money and not paying it back is not "free shit" you see ...

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:49 PM (wwsoB)

101 81 I got one of these calls. All it said was "The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep. And miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep."

I mean, WTF over?
Posted by: uterus cannon at December 10, 2012 04:45 PM (3ZtZW)


________________________

Did they really use that wording?

What the creepy?

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:49 PM (r2PLg)

102 With telemarketers, I always say "Hang on a sec, someone is knocking on my door" then set the phone down and walk away. I think the longest wait I ever got was about 5min until I heard that odd warble the TelCo puts out when your phone is off hook for too long.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 04:49 PM (cHr8a)

103 Ace: "We will more readily pursue activities that seem like 'play' than seem like 'work.'"

Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: Rule 6 - "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 04:49 PM (eHIJJ)

104

the Obama campaign had consulted a group of psychologists and psychiatrists about methods of animating their voters and possible potential voters.


Of course they did. Seriously, who here did not think/know that?

Any good PR/Marketing team dives into the human psyche and behavior.

Where I used to work, we had a usability lab, bringing in kids and so forth to test out our ideas on software/product development. The testing was very detailed, and began at conception. Even looking at drawings or illustrations and getting feedback was worth gold. Later, as more was developed, more groups came in (mirrored windows to watch and taped) and it was all evaluated. The feedback could make or break a concept or product.

All of this was mapped out by experts of ergonomics and behavioral sciences, etc.

Every development team I worked in had not only engineers, artists, and managers, but also a rep from Marketing -- a constant back and forth feedback loop with the potential audience.

Why do you think the gaming industry now offers alpha and (mostly) beta testing for free before launch? And, we scramble like idiots to jump on that boat.

Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (LpQbZ)

105 They organize protests, boycotts, marches and demonstrations, which the Intellectual Conservatives snicker about.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 10, 2012 04:39 PM (yKUrR)

And rightly they should. All of that stupid crap doesn't win the Democrats elections. What wins them elections are government give away programs to their constituents, and a never ending media onslaught propaganda war.


Ever watch the show "Glee"? In the 1960s, it would have gotten it's producer arrested. Now it is convincing everyone that perverted behavior is not only normal, it's Superior.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (bb5+k)

106
Could the Republicans even try something like this? The contact lists generated in the last election are probably owned by consultants that aren't giving them up without another check.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (kdS6q)

107 101 That is pure fucking evil. I'd be traumatized.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (i0vBR)

108 It's not that we actually changed our minds on it -- we didn't -- but we
allowed the Democrats to say "We support lowering taxes on the Middle
Class" so often, with the implication (and outright explicit statement)
that we don't.


This may be the biggest thing. Democrats claimed to believe they could close the deficit simply by extracting more money from "the rich," and we never once ("we" as in "Republicans." I actually saw it a lot in blogs) pointed out that you couldn't possibly "tax the rich" enough to put even a significant dent in our deficit, let alone our actual debt. By the time you're talking enough money to do something about the deficit, you're not even talking "the Middle Class" anymore; you're talking about the poor, too.

The only way out of this mess is to reduce spending. We simply cannot increase taxes enough- even if there weren't such a thing as Moral Hazard- to pay our bills.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (5DR1j)

109
"Republicans need to reenforce the notion that the "Bush Tax Cuts" were
only for the wealthy and going over the cliff will only effect the
"wealthy."

Republicans need to DIE, politically.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (zpqa2)

110 The problem is that there are a lot of people on our side who also expect their own brand of free shit.

Posted by: taylork at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (ppNDn)

111 So, all conservatives should sign up, then sabotage the system.

They probably already thought of that and won't sign you up unless you check out as a registered Democrat or donated to the Obama campaign.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (cHr8a)

112


Wait..... Wut???


I thought Bush tax cuts were ONLY for the wealthy.


Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2012 04:51 PM (nELVU)

113 i'm not 100% sure of this but I'm pretty sure you can use "psychically" in this manner, meaning "as regards the psyche."

If not, I'm an innovator. I've been using it this way for years now. I always write "psychically discomfited" and stuff like that.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (LCRYB)


Perhaps. If so, you're more intellectual than I. I just know the one meaning, and would use "psychologically" for this use.

Posted by: red sweater at December 10, 2012 04:51 PM (CUi62)

114 Hadn't looked at Rasmussen's daily presidental tracking in a while...just did today and wow...how depressing.

Obama up to 58% approval, and has pulled even on the "Strongly approve / Strongly disapprove" index.




Posted by: john g at December 10, 2012 04:51 PM (3PqHz)

115 For years we've been hearing the Dems say:

"The Bush Tax Cuts are tax cuts for the Rich!"

"We're not against Tax Cuts...but they must tell us how we're going to Pay for those Tax Cuts!"

These are riduculous, of course.
But people will remember these because the Dems repeated them over and over.

They deserve to have them replayed back at them.


Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:46 PM (CM59X)



And not once has the Republican side come out and explained how the argument was bullshit, that Bush's cuts were for the Middle CLASS and benefited the wealthy, that letting the cuts expire would FUCK the WHOLE ECONOMY and that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a CUT to COST you money.

But, our side is full of really stupid bastards.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 04:51 PM (UK9cE)

116
Do you think the average dope out there knows that the govt rakes in over $2.5T/yr in revenues and it's not enough? Govt spends over a trillion dollars more than that!

Ask people if that makes sense or if it's responsible and they'll say hell no.

Ask people if taxes should be raised to subsidize Solyndra.

Or Auntie Zetuni.

Or bike paths.

Or $16 muffins for govt parties.

This is how you reach people. You talk to them in "nuts and bolts" fashion. You tell them what's going on and how it affects them.

You do not roll out a 59 point plan for jobs! And you do not shy away from tying gas prices to Obama even if he has nothing to do with it, which he does.

We left so much ammo on the table in 2012. It was stupid to think Not Obama would win. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (ptD6d)

117 107 101 That is pure fucking evil. I'd be traumatized.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM (i0vBR)

________________

uterus cannon has to be pulling ou leg right?

Right?

I mean--WTF!?

I was voted "most gullible" in high school--but still.

It's f'in Dems--hard to tell parody from reality with them.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (r2PLg)

118 Did they really use that wording?

It's a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telefon_(film)

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (1sinL)

119 I ain't fighting for the GOP anymore. Not when homos like Bohener and McConnell are in charge.

I'm focused on me and my family. Didn't tune into any news at all this weekend and I couldn't have been happier.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Warden at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (HzhBE)

120 101 Did they really use that wording?

look up the Charles Bronson movie Telefon

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (3ZtZW)

121 Oh the phone inside is ringing
And the shit is really flinging
Since I got no job to earn
Let it Burn, Let It Burn, Let it Burn

Posted by: kbdabear at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (wwsoB)

122 Shorter Ace: We should be more totalitarian, like the Democrats, because they enjoy it.

"And not once has the Republican side come out and explained how the argument was bullshit..."

That's bullshit and you know it. That you never bothered to listen doesn't mean the argument was never made. That the press did not amplify the argument doesn't mean the argument was never made.

Posted by: Ace's Anus at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (j6kr0)

123 Hey boys and girls, if one person calls, just one person, they may think he's just sick and not believe him. But if two people, I said two people a day, call and sing it in harmony...

Posted by: Arlo's Ad Agency at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (vhwRj)

124 A very large portion of America is now so thoroughly
brainwashed, that even if we employed this tactic, the phones would be
slammed down on us.



Things are gonna get very, very ugly and I fear bloody.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 04:41 PM (XkWWK)

I regard this result as unavoidable now. The current system (Financial/Social) cannot be sustained, and so it will crash. Once hyperinflation begins, the burning will start in the Cities.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (bb5+k)

125 I never say a trillion dollars anymore in reference to the government. A trillion is just some abstraction to most people. I'm saying a million, million dollars.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (QupBk)

126 118 Did they really use that wording?

It's a joke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telefon_(film)
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (1sinL)

________________

Damn it!

Hey--I didn't "win" most gullible for nothing!

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (r2PLg)

127 My lack of motivation has nothing to do with the kind of bake-sale, phone bank bullshit the Democrats push, like so much liberal arts, masturbatory "making a difference" crap. That stuff works for the Dems because they rely upon maintaining a tribal image and need to stoke the feeling that people are a "part of something" that makes their participation "meaningful". No thank you, that's everything I hate about statism.

I lack motivation because I've seen the people in charge of the GOP fuck up and give in over and over again in the DUMBEST ways.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 04:54 PM (FiwwD)

128 Republicans need to DIE, politically.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 04:50 PM


They have. What we're seeing are the death throes.

Free Shit, Race and massive vote fraud (sorry, Ace) have won the day. Can you see the Democrats abandoning this trifecta of electoral success anytime soon? I can't.

But we can sure as hell parse their words carefully and give them 177,619 reasons why Ronald Reagan was better than all this shit. Which is why we will to continue to lose.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 10, 2012 04:55 PM (yKUrR)

129 To everyone else in my family, Obama's already the greatest president in history. He doesn't have to do much at all to secure his legacy.

74
60 the sad truth is obama has NEVER governed or even tried to. he has
been on an habitual campaign for the last 25 years. we're fucked

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 04:42 PM (jE38p)



____________



Oh ya.



Un;ess he gets slightly concerned about Legacy--but with an MSM like
Chris Matthews and Frank Rich to write it up--he probably doesn't even
have to worry about that.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 10, 2012 04:55 PM (cv5Iw)

130 120 101 Did they really use that wording?

look up the Charles Bronson movie Telefon
Posted by: uterus cannon at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (3ZtZW)

____________

Okay.

Charles Bronson--never saw any f those movies.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (r2PLg)

131 "But notice they're out there saying "We want to keep middle class taxes
low!" and we're saying... I don't know what we're saying. We're
entirely reactive. We are way behind in the OODA loop."


I think it's partially because the Left has become so irrational and contradictory that no rational person who uses logic could possibly follow their OODA loop. When you aren't limited by either reason or logic, your OODA loop is pretty much impossible to get inside. It's like trying to debate a cat. It's also like the old saying, "Men go mad in groups and regain their senses one by one". Once a critical mass of the Left has regained its senses, this shit will cease. Until then, it's all unreason and illogic all the time.

Posted by: BS Inc. at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (FFwP9)

132 I've now edited that NYT article in, about Obama's weaponizing of behavioral science. It's in the middle, in block quotes.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (LCRYB)

133

Another example, then I have to scram.

I remember going to the famous herbal tea company in Boulder, Celestial Seasonings, to help with testing.

It was the same idea. Research and perfect for the target audience.

It's all the same.

Marketing. Marketing. Marketing. And, PR.



(Hubby wants to watch one of those newfangled brit Sherlock Holmes episodes on Netflix. It's pretty good so far.

http://www.examiner.com/review/the-new-sherlock-holmes-on-the-bbc

I am a little late getting to this one, but since I hooked up with Netflix I can now catch up with all that I have missed. If you have not seen the new Sherlock series being featured on the BBC, you’re really missing something. I know your saying to yourself, “not another Sherlock,” but I can assure you that this series will have you glued.

Agreed.)



Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (LpQbZ)

134
How about as a fourth strategy we use jujitsu. Mocking them may be a form of this. But maybe, we let them punch themselves out.Wecounter with "yes the middle class deserves a tax break and by cutting spending on worthless programs for the wanty we can afford a tax break."

We need to be able to be pliable and change our tactics as needed.

I'll see your taxes staying the same and I raise you a tax cut.

Or something like that.

Just a whimsical thought.

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (UhXzR)

135 I have to get this off my chest.

This morning, I worked from home while my wife went and took care of a speeding ticket she got. While I was home, before I left for the office, my daughter was watching PBS Kids.

Now, mostly I don't have a problem with PBS Kids. Arthur is actually pretty good, and I like the outright silliness of Word Girl. Even the enviro-weenie "Wild Kratz" isn't terribly bad.

But then Super Why? came on. I about chucked my TV out the window. They did "the ant and the grasshopper." Except, apparently, it wasn't "fair" that the grasshopper didn't have any food for winter, so they had to change the last sentence from "...and the grasshopper had none" to "...and the grasshopper had seeds," which, the audience were informed, were super-special seeds that somehow grow even in deep winter.

This is apparently the same show that, in another episode, had the Boy Who Cried Wolf, except that, in their version, the Boy wasn't lying, it was just that the wolf would sneak off before the people from the village would show up.

I'm not even sure what the point of that change was, but I told my wife I veto Super Why? from now on.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (5DR1j)

136 >>>Fuck, we're pretty plugged in and we don't know what the GOP's message is.

I don't blame the GOP for being flustered at coming up with a message right this second. As a majority of the US has demonstrated a willingness to use magical thinking in a futile attempt to forestall reality, it becomes difficult to find what to say that will register with their fantasy land world where a a stick of gum and pocket lint can cover the budget deficit and get us back into the black.

LiB is the only prescription I can think of to bring them back to reality.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 04:57 PM (0q2P7)

137 OT (sort of) -

Dave Ramsey fired off an excellent rant this past weekend, about the death tax. He went off, talking about how no one has the right to a farm that has been in the family for generations, now that the exemption may go back down to $2 million.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to that family's inheritance, he kept saying, then ended with a shot at "liberal jerks". He said "some call it wealth distribution, I call it theft".

Peter Schiff made a similar remark on CNBC, that he's payingtwice as muchin taxesas the medeival lords expected from the serfs. Which he also referred to as theft.

Posted by: kallisto at December 10, 2012 04:57 PM (jm/9g)

138 I really don't think that there are enough persuadables among those that vote for us to prevail anymore. We need to get some of the 50% that didn't vote at all, to vote for our ideas.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 04:57 PM (QupBk)

139
Of course Obama's approval is going up!

He has no opposition. Not only does Obama have no opposition, he's still campaigning against the Right.

It's completely one-sided. The Republicans are still on the mat after the election, and Obama is still pounding on them. Obama doesn't care that the election is over. He wants to make sure you're done fighting forever.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 04:57 PM (ptD6d)

140 -Voting is the best revenge

That's another thing that worked for them which is now an approved approach for all. I take itno more bitching about warlike/violent words/images/concepts?


Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 04:58 PM (f88gl)

141
Shorter Ace: We should be more totalitarian, like the Democrats, because they enjoy it.


Phone calls aren't totalitarian. That's sophist bullshit.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 04:58 PM (cHr8a)

142 about Obama's weaponizing of behavioral science

____________

Holy hell--that describes it pretty succinctly.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 04:58 PM (r2PLg)

143 @131:"When you aren't limited by either reason or logic, your OODA loop is pretty much impossible to get inside."
--
This is why people who are psychotic are so dangerous.

This is why Barack "Net Spending Cut" Obama is so dangerous.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 04:58 PM (FiwwD)

144 Dick Armey says saying stoopid stuff hurts the GOP candidates. Horse shit. Run a couple of drooling imbeciles for office and the American electorate says to themsleves "Imma gonna vote for the drooling retards because they're more like me".

Posted by: maddogg at December 10, 2012 04:58 PM (OlN4e)

145 LiB is a jujitsu tactic.

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 04:59 PM (UhXzR)

146
132I've now edited that NYT article in, about Obama's weaponizing of behavioral science. It's in the middle, in block quotes.

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 04:56 PM (LCRYB)

------------

In other words....Military Psy-Ops.

Let's call it what it is:
They're using Military Psy-Ops tactics on the American people.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:59 PM (CM59X)

147 #116 We also need to be doing some jujitsu on the liberals.

One example: The growing amount of the federal budget that goes to pay interest on the national debt. That is a direct transfer of wealth from middle class taxpayers to wealthy investors, many of them overseas, who own our debt.

Another example: Obama's refusal to reform entitlement programs such as Medicare also results in a massive transfer of wealth from poorer young people who are just starting out at low wages, to affluent old people who have shitloads ofmoney in their retirement accounts already. And old people vote Republican!

Conservativeas are trying to stop these massive transfers of wealth from poorer Americans to rich Americans and wealthy overseas investors!

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 04:59 PM (aBlZ1)

148 The old country song that had the line "If 10% is good enough for Jesus, then it ought to be good enough for Uncle Sam!" sure doesn't get much air play anymore!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 05:00 PM (Cnqmv)

149 @141:"
Phone calls aren't totalitarian. That's sophist bullshit."
--

They're not, but they're a couple steps away from it. Remember, this is coming from the administration that set up "Attack Watch" for people to report their neighbors' criticism. Now it wants people to phone their neighbors. The more enthusiastic callers will keep note of reactions...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:00 PM (FiwwD)

150 They have made the Obama supporters feel like they are in a super-exclusive club of people "in the know." They keep them actively involved by having them meet to watch speeches. They give them little jobstodo (like calling friends) to make them feel part of the team. (Another reason this "call your friends" thing works is because people value the opinion of a friend over a pundit or a candidate.


That's so brownshirt-esque. I need a shower.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 05:00 PM (GFM2b)

151 Ace, I thought you were on break or something. If so, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 10, 2012 05:00 PM (DoZD+)

152 There is no strategy which will win using the current game board. All energy should be spent on devising a way to end the repetitive playing of this game, in favor of a game which is not rigged for our defeat.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (zpqa2)

153 We also need to be doing some jujitsu on the liberals.


Can we do some actual jujitsu on actual liberals? I can think of a few I'd like to throw through a plate glass window.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (5DR1j)

154 **we don't know what the GOP's message is.**

lolz, it's whatever a soccer mom from ohio who's been living in a cave for 30 years wants it to be.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (QxSug)

155 @146:"In other words....Military Psy-Ops.

Let's call it what it is:
They're using Military Psy-Ops tactics on the American people.


Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:59 PM (CM59X)"---And it looks like the American People like it...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (FiwwD)

156 Once a community organizer/rabble rouser always a community organizer/rabble rouser

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (1Jaio)

157 **we don't know what the GOP's message is.**

lolz, j/k we only oppose obama's agenda because he's black.

actually, I only oppose the white part of his agenda.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (QxSug)

158 **we don't know what the GOP's message is.**

the benefit of having Mitt run a make no waves strategy.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:02 PM (QxSug)

159 >>>Ace, I thought you were on break or something. If so, you're doing it wrong.

next week. I delayed it for two reasons: 1, so I could better organize it and better enjoy it. 2, so I could take care of a medical problem (apnea) before the vacation, so I could enjoy it .

Posted by: ace at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (LCRYB)

160 Off topic:

Cincinnati citizens apparently are getting quite fed up with crime.

"In separate incidents less than 12 hours apart, crime victims fought back by shooting robbers Sunday and early today, killing one suspect and injuring three."
http://tinyurl.com/afz6deh

Posted by: sdavis at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (njVMI)

161 NYT article in, about Obama's weaponizing of behavioral science.

Shocking the NYT would run such a piece. Essentially its telling the public they got played like a Steinway. Any of them left with a handful of neurons still firing might find that vaguely disturbing or insulting.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (cHr8a)

162 I'm focused on me and my family. Didn't tune into any news at all this weekend and I couldn't have been happier.

Let it burn.


Posted by: Warden at December 10, 2012 04:53 PM (HzhBE)

Best advice i've seen so far.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (bb5+k)

163 They're using Military Psy-Ops tactics on the American people.

They work.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Professional Grump at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (/kI1Q)

164 Psychologically Ace,
Not Psychically. They are two different things.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (b3IgE)

165 @158:"the benefit of having Mitt run a make no waves strategy.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:02 PM (QxSug)"---
NEWT2016!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (FiwwD)

166 Let's call it what it is:
They're using Military Psy-Ops tactics on the American people.




Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 04:59 PM (CM59X)"---And it looks like the American People like it...


Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (FiwwD)



If you told them that they'd probably think it's a video game

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:04 PM (1Jaio)

167 Jujitsu: Yes, we should stop taking the middle classes money and funding unions, cronie solydras, et al.

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 05:04 PM (UhXzR)

168 a Newt Gingrich general election attempt would be fundamentally flawed. fundamentally

Posted by: JDP at December 10, 2012 05:04 PM (60GaT)

169 >>>You may say this is creepy. I would also say it's creepy. I'm creeped out by this crap

Yeah well you should be. It's the stuff hard totalitarianism is made of. It is 1984 stuff. Watching the foundation get poured for the gallows that you will eventually hang from.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:05 PM (0q2P7)

170 Alinsky lives!
And some commentors here make sure it stays that way.
Of course they consider themselves educated and intellectual so that's okay.
See the last few posts of the last thread.
Me, I gotta get back to work, looking for work.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 10, 2012 05:05 PM (HT2Nt)

171 Come now. Newt still has a few books left in him...

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:05 PM (zpqa2)

172 >>>Just like the Bolsheviks, the revolution never ends. Because if it did, all the failure belongs to them, so there will always be scapegoats, traitors and saboteurs who are standing in the way of paradise.


Just perfectly stated. Really nothing I can add.

Posted by: Burney McBurnstein is kind of a LIBNO at December 10, 2012 05:05 PM (+wxCD)

173 Mitt 2012: Make no waves

Newt 2016: One fucking giant wave

Who's sold? I am!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:06 PM (FiwwD)

174 "In separate incidents less than 12 hours apart,
crime victims fought back by shooting robbers Sunday and early today,
killing one suspect and injuring three."

http://tinyurl.com/afz6deh

Posted by: sdavis at December 10, 2012 05:03 PM (njVMI)


Damn guns. If those people would've just given the poor criminals their shit for free, the one would still be alive today.

Posted by: Bob Costas at December 10, 2012 05:06 PM (UK9cE)

175 My jujitsu? I just received another delivery of 3 months of freezed dried food.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:06 PM (m2CN7)

176
115...And not once has the Republican side come out and explained how the argument was bullshit, that Bush's cuts were for the Middle CLASS and benefited the wealthy, that letting the cuts expire would FUCK the WHOLE ECONOMY and that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a CUT to COST you money.

But, our side is full of really stupid bastards.

Posted by: Sponge at December 10, 2012 04:51 PM (UK9cE)

----------

Yep.

Republicans are too stupid to be as diabolical as the Dems have accused them of being.

So we should use that.

'Hey, we're the stupid party. We're too stupid to be as evil as the Dems!'
Heh.

You guys didn't like the Bush Tax Cuts.
Okay.
They're expired now.
We are now back to the Clinton Tax Rates.
Enjoy!

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:07 PM (CM59X)

177 It also delivered research-based advice on how to mobilize voters.


_____________________

They are painting themselves with a positive brush here.


I'm almost willing to bet all their advice and strategy was on how to-

depress the Republican turn out.

(and I bet it is easier to depress turn out than it is to motivate turn out.)

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 05:07 PM (r2PLg)

178 I just received another delivery of 3 months of freezed dried food.

I'm developing an ammo problem. I may need an intervention.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:07 PM (QupBk)

179 (WSJ) - The French are fleeing. A spate of proposed tax hikes is leading
hundreds of wealthy French to consider leaving the country and putting
their homes on the market, real-estate agents say. The result: the best
opportunity in years for foreigners to buy a Parisian pied-à-terre or
country château.

Flush French are fleeing the new government's attempts to repair
France's public finances by increasing taxes on salaries, capital gains
and household wealth. Among the controversial proposals in the 2013
draft budget is a 75% tax rate on salaries higher than $1.3 million, up
from less than 50% currently. "Wealthy French are not that masochistic,"
says Mr. Jottras. The proposed taxes apply only to primary residents of
France, however; those who buy a property as a vacation home and spend
less than half the year in France will not be affected.






But but but I thought that taxing the rich would solve all financial problems. How dare they leave and not pay their "fair"share

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:07 PM (1Jaio)

180 Can't he go about destroying the Republic quietly? Must he constantly speak and seek out cameras while he tends to this business?

Posted by: L, elle at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (CyTqr)

181 **Newt 2016: One fucking giant wave**

how will the left attack him from the left and right, eh? Romney's too boring with a stable married life, oh Newt got divorce, burn it!

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (QxSug)

182 Here's a plan:

Step 1: Walk away from the computer for a month and focus on achieving a goal that's important to you.

Step 2: Come back to the computer after the goal has been accomplished and discover that leftists are as angry and unhappy as they've ever been. Meanwhile, you've accomplished something cool.

Step 3: Realize that those fucks will NEVER win because they are who they are. Even when they win they LOSE.

Step 4: Laugh heartily, like this: Ha ha ha ha ah ha ha ... oh, my! Such a hoot! Hahaha Ha hah aho hohoho ho hah!

Step 5: Repeat as you let it burn.

Winners win. Losers lose.


Posted by: Warden at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (HzhBE)

183
They're using Military Psy-Ops tactics on the American people.
Well, Duh. Oblahblah just met with PSY, didn't he?

Posted by: Cicdro Kid at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (hq+RW)

184 I said this early on after the election - we underestimated the power of community organizing. Yes, its free shit, it is whatever it takes.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (7vSU0)

185 Posted by:Mike the Moose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 04:57 PM (0q2P7)




I left a comment on your blog. It disappeared without a reply. Wondering why.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:08 PM (bb5+k)

186 Straight up application of the Alinsky Method for agitation.

Rule #'s 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12 being applied here to one extent or another.

Posted by: aquaviva at December 10, 2012 05:09 PM (SfG+f)

187 The only way to win is to not play.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Warden at December 10, 2012 05:09 PM (HzhBE)

188 Hmmm. Priorities.

Just came from having a smoke where a guy was digging threw the trash for food....jamming away with his iPod.

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 05:09 PM (fWAjv)

189 And while I am in full let it burn mode, I am also going to work for a startup and hope to make a pile of cash there.

Is it contradictory? Sure. I'll own up to that.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 05:09 PM (7vSU0)

190 Can't he go about destroying the Republic quietly? Must he constantly speak and seek out cameras while he tends to this business?

Posted by: L, elle


What's the point of winning if you don't rub it in?

Posted by: Pres. TFG at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (TtXjG)

191 I think maybe a lot of conservative/libertarian types are like me -- fight back? meh. political activity? meh.

I think of something that would be effective or an argument that might sway people and then I think of the ultimate outcome. ObieWanChernobyl and the BigMedia in his pocket will shift the blame and weasel the truth around any way they choose and I lose anyway. So, meh.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (j2McS)

192 What Warden said @119.

I'll fight for conservatism, not the GOP. But for the Tea Party contingency and its incumbent supporters, I'd have absolutely no interest in furthering the current GOP (aka JFK-era Democrats).

I'm done with the RNC. Conservatives have been getting their chains pulled since Reagan yet the northeastern political blight continues to sabotage them.

Ef 'em. Batten down the hatches and LIB.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (eHIJJ)

193 Between this and the aftermath of ORCA and the Romney campaign, I am assured of two things:
1) The permanent campaign is here to stay, and Obama was prepared for that keeping offices open in states since the 08' campaign as well as data mining
2) The republicans are woefully unprepared in that respect and still pretend there is such a thing as "campaign season"

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (t06LC)

194 103 Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: Rule 6 - "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 10, 2012 04:49 PM (eHIJJ)


I have a definite tactic that I think many on our side would enjoy.

But I don't think I can say it here IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (XkWWK)

195 @177:"I'm almost willing to bet all their advice and strategy was on how to-



depress the Republican turn out.
---

The behavior of the GOP top brass is far more depressing than anything Obama can do. It's like someone here said the other day, Boehner's actions are making me wonder whether he and McConnell are Dem sleeper agents coming online now.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (FiwwD)

196 I went through county after county in Ohio--and keep in mind this is where Obama flew his commercials--

Republican votes in almost all of the counties were about 10% less For Romney than they were in 2008 for McCain.

Now granted I got sick of it and stopped--but the only county that had an uptick of about 1,200 votes for Romney an improvement over the mcCain vote was--

Medina County.

(We can talk about how the vote equalized nationally--perhaps--but what mattered was the Swing States--and Ohio. I looked at most of the most populated counties and the Republican vote was down from 2008 even.)

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 05:11 PM (r2PLg)

197 Phone calls aren't totalitarian. That's sophist bullshit.

Ehhhh. Yes and no. The left controls every major messaging medium in existence, and by poll they have already won this issue. They don't *need* to be doing phone calls. They are doing it because of the desire to condition there supporters. That's totalitarian.

We however, we are losing the argument and have limited access to messaging resources. If we were doing this, it would be because we needed to be not as some form of mental conditioning.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:11 PM (0q2P7)

198 191


Sorry, forgot to put away the Bawney Fwank sock.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 10, 2012 05:11 PM (j2McS)

199 "152
There is no strategy which will win using the current game board. All
energy should be spent on devising a way to end the repetitive playing
of this game, in favor of a game which is not rigged for our defeat.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (zpqa2)"
Only rigorous use of state's rights or a credible threat of secession will make a difference now. The Federal level is totally subverted vis-a-vis the Constitution. Basically, every jackhole who thinks he's smarter or wiser than the Founding Fathers has found a foothold in DC.Even with vigorous federalism, though, the inability of the states to print currency remains an issue, which is why I think secession is the only possible endgame. As long as there is only one currency issuer for all 50 states, true reform will be almost impossible.

Posted by: BS Inc. at December 10, 2012 05:12 PM (FFwP9)

200
Even Kristen Powers said last week that...it would be a return to the Clinton Tax Rates.
And that the Dems are desperate to avoid it.

Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:12 PM (CM59X)

201 The more enthusiastic callers will keep note of reactions...
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:00 PM (FiwwD)


On that note, what is the questionnaire like post call?

Questioner documenting questionee... or better put... neighbor reporting on neighbor.

Case number 3084712307083 of:

"If a Republican did this..."

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (UZQM8)

202 @193:"1) The permanent campaign is here to stay, and Obama was prepared for
that keeping offices open in states since the 08' campaign as well as
data mining"
--
THIS!

We will be on the road to serfdom until people in general become as creeped out by this as we are here.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (FiwwD)

203 4 more years losers.

Hurts doesn't it Ace?

Schadenfreude is my favorite word

Well, next to pederasty, that is.

BTW, anyone have an unwashed ass they want eaten? Cause I'm game, baby.

Posted by: John at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (fd0Pp)

204 We believe principles are the basic foundation, and that *good* follows that. Our opposition in the culture and which has now tipped, politically, believes in Government, first, and *then* principles are OK, as long as they are not in conflict with what they consider important.

A principle-less society rooted in an all-powerful collective ideology will not end well, obviously.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (zpqa2)

205 There is no strategy which will win using the
current game board. All energy should be spent on devising a way to end
the repetitive playing of this game, in favor of a game which is not
rigged for our defeat.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (zpqa2)


Amen! Except I think it is now impossible. Unless we can seize control of the entire media overnight, fire all the liberals, but keep the entertainment at it's current level, there is no means of which I can conceive to fix the game before the whole thing blows up.


But yeah, that would have been a workable Idea about 40 years ago.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (bb5+k)

206 Anyone in Ohio see "inspirational" commercials for Obama that looked like they would "motivate" turn out?

Or instead did you see a bunch of negative ads mudding up Romney and Ryan?

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 05:14 PM (r2PLg)

207
Right now, decreasing my income to food stamp and medicaid level looks pretty attractive. And adding a couple cash-only income sources.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (j2McS)

208
And why is Boehner dragging this out?

I know he's gonna give in to Obama. You know he's gonna give in to Obama. Obama knows he's gonna give in. And Boehner knows he's gonna give in to Obama.

Everyone knows they'll raise taxes on the top 2%; they won't cut spending; and Boehner will raise the debt limit. Boehner will get zero in return for giving in -- no budget, no Keystone, no nothing.

So do it, already. This should've been done and over with two weeks ago.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (ptD6d)

209 Wow, I thought the Republicans had a powerful campaign message, it was: We have a jobs and wages crisis in this country, this President has ignored it for four years to pursue his ideological fantasy agenda, we will address it with sound fiscal policy, energy independence, repealing Obamacare, and sensible regulation.

And Obama countered with: Free birth control, PARTAYYYY!!! And, by the way that other guy is a Shifty Asshole Who Hates Women and Sends Jobs to China, and his party are a bunch of Old White nutjobs who think Rape Is God's Will.

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (aBlZ1)

210 The behavior of the GOP top brass is far more depressing than anything Obama can do. It's like someone here said the other day, Boehner's actions are making me wonder whether he and McConnell are Dem sleeper agents coming online now.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:10 PM (FiwwD)

___________________

General election voters are different--more low info types.

I doubt too many of them could name Boehner or McConnell.

Posted by: tasker at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (r2PLg)

211 Just came from having a smoke where a guy was digging threw the trash for food....jamming away with his iPod.

Freegan? Or sold his food stamps for cash?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Professional Grump at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (/kI1Q)

212 Already, the left is pronouncing Hillary the one to beat in 2016. And SCOAMF hasn't even been crowned yet.

To us, it looks ludicrous, but these fucking maggots are playing for keeps.

What to do, what to do?...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (XkWWK)

213 As Virgil said:

"Do not yield to evil! Attack, attack more boldly even than fortune seems to permit!"

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (XvHmy)

214 “A kind of dream team, in my opinion,” Dr. Fox said.

For now, until they become everyone's nightmare.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (f88gl)

215 Even Kristen Powers said last week that...it would be a return to the Clinton Tax Rates.
And that the Dems are desperate to avoid it.


They're desperate to avoid taking the blame for it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (SY2Kh)

216 LiFB

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (QupBk)

217 208

And why is Boehner dragging this out?
--

Exactly. This is pushing the bullshit up towards Christmas so Obama can leverage the holiday sentiment for political purposes. Look at his talk about "scrooge" and "keeping a list" the other day. And Boehner's so dumb he just eats it up.

FFFFFFUUUUUU.....1111!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (FiwwD)

218
Jujitsu: Went to a PA state store(liquor store to all you in less fascist states). Tried to buy some locally produced Rye that a friend shared with me. I was gonna gift it to some other friends. State store didn't have it and wouldn't order it for me. I put the other four gift bottles I had in my basket back on the shelves. Walked out. Drove to WV and bought 5 gallons of Everclear. Made my own Lemoncella for about $5.50/fifth. BTW it is the best tasting ever.

I'll use that for gifts.

Saved money. Giving better gifts. And best of all the state didn't get a penny.

See I was flexible. And I'm winning.

The dried food is another good idea.

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (UhXzR)

219 @ 206 - I'll take negative ads for $200, Alex.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 10, 2012 05:17 PM (DuynS)

220 Schadenfreude is my favorite word
Posted by: John at December 10, 2012 05:13 PM (fd0Pp)

I've got new for you spanky. Schadenfreude does not mean boy love.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:17 PM (m2CN7)

221 >>>I left a comment on your blog. It disappeared without a reply. Wondering why.

I've got 0 comments awaiting moderation and haven't booted a comment in at least a year and half. One of yours is approved for my last post and is visible at least to me. If you aren't seeing yours I have no idea why.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:17 PM (0q2P7)

222 213 As Virgil said:

"Do not yield to evil! Attack, attack more boldly even than fortune seems to permit!"
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (XvHmy)


What with?!

In the immortal words of Sonny Corleone, "I don't want my brother coming out of that bathroom with just his dick in his hands."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (XkWWK)

223 how about this: we fight. We fight to win. Oh, we're not going to win but we won't win for quitting either.

Obama somehow got 63M people to vote for him. not all of them were union thugs or obamaphone ladys or even fraudulent.

and for that about 3,000,000 or so of people who voted for obama who are real and aren't on the take, maybe they'll wise up in the next few years as things continue to suck.

And maybe if the one or two times they hear a GOP talk, it isn't about rape-bortions or binders of wimmen.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (QxSug)

224 I've got new for you spanky

I thought we were just ignoring the yutes' endzone dances.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (QupBk)

225 They are doing it because of the desire to condition there supporters. That's totalitarian.

No, that's a cult. Cults condition their members. Their effect on non-members is very very limited.

As long as the call recipient has a right to hang up or simply not answer I see nothing legally actionable here.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (cHr8a)

226 There is no strategy which will win using the current game board. All energy should be spent on devising a way to end the repetitive playing of this game, in favor of a game which is not rigged for our defeat.Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:01 PM (zpqa2)

The biggest problem I have with the let it/make it burn crowd is this is THE EXACT SAME idea behind Cloven Piven. Its about breaking the cycle.
I always thought that Cloven Piven was a bit optomistic for liberals, that a leftist state was not necessicarily the only outcome. There is inherent risk in chaos.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (t06LC)

227 @218:"Went to a PA state store(liquor store to all you in less fascist states)"
---
Wow...I didn't realize it was that bad here already...liquor only in state stores...whoa...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:19 PM (FiwwD)

228 223
how about this: we fight.
--

I'm in. But tell it to Boehner and McConnell. Without them, our fight is kind of useless at the moment...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (FiwwD)

229 And Obama countered with: Free birth control,
PARTAYYYY!!! And, by the way that other guy is a Shifty Asshole Who
Hates Women and Sends Jobs to China, and his party are a bunch of Old
White nutjobs who think Rape Is God's Will.

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 05:15 PM (aBlZ1)



No Information Voter: Makes sense to me, dude

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (1Jaio)

230 @217

Boehner should just pass a 6 month extension. At most, he'll take the clock off the table, at worst he can say he tried to keep the fiscal cliff from happening but the dems shot the hostage.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (t06LC)

231
...we will address it with sound fiscal policy, energy independence, repealing Obamacare, and sensible regulation.

This doesn't resonate with people. Not one bit.

It's this kind of general mamby-pamby boiler-plate pabulum that kills us in elections.

Democrats understand how to reach people. Republicans don't. It's necessary to talk about the nitty gritty; talk about the daily grind. Identify with people on a personal level -- talk about gas prices, buying/keeping a home, etc.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:21 PM (ptD6d)

232 After the Bain "you killed my wife" attacks, I thought the gloves would come off. Instead, we get another Republican who seemed to be suffering from beaten wife syndrome.

Going forward, no words or attacks should be off the table. Even if it is Let It Burn, burn them on the way down.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (iuY0Y)

233 228 I'm in. But tell it to Boehner and McConnell. Without them, our fight is kind of useless at the moment...
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 10, 2012 05:20 PM (FiwwD)


Massive rally at the Capitol Building specifically aimed at the Republican Party and calling for the removal of Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and the installation of conservatives in all key committee chairmanship posts.

FUCK THE GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (XkWWK)

234 The debt ceiling is the hill to die on. Or rather, the ditch we will die in if we keep raising it.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (QupBk)

235 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:17 PM (0q2P7)

That's an awefully nice Myspace page you've got there.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (SY2Kh)

236 Even with vigorous federalism, though, the inability
of the states to print currency remains an issue, which is why I think
secession is the only possible endgame. As long as there is only one
currency issuer for all 50 states, true reform will be almost
impossible.


Posted by: BS Inc. at December 10, 2012 05:12 PM (FFwP9)

And this is the nexus of the entire problem. The Federal Leviathan is on a suicide dive, and the only solution is to de-chain ourselves from it. But the Constitution specifically forbids states from creating their own currency. As reliance on a rapidly devaluing currency is draining the value from our savings, the ONLY solution is to break from that currency, and that is forbidden.

Federal spending is killing us through the devaluation of our money.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (bb5+k)

237 If we limp along for four years without an outright economic detonation, and the GOP continues on life support as "Dem Lite," we will lose again. Nothing will have changed, other than a deepening crisis.

We need to hasten the detonation, so that "I care about you" cannot be used again.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (zpqa2)

238 237 Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:23 PM (zpqa2)


THIS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (XkWWK)

239 "we fight"

call me crazy but tax cuts are just a negotiating tool, it's about spending. The country existed before the bush tax rates. Right now, we have loop hole deductions on the table which is cool so we aren't at rates yet. And we aren't giving in yet either.

But gop got 59M votes and votes for split governance, so fight.

Get a budget, stop obama from spending everything.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (QxSug)

240 Realize that those fucks will NEVER win because they are who they are. Even when they win they LOSE.

On the contrary, they win, we lose. Those in power get to determine what is legal and what is not. You may be in a position now of being able to look after yourself and your family but how long before independence of any sort is outlawed. Going Galt may mean cutting yourself off from society and I don't find that acceptable.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 05:25 PM (f88gl)

241 The debt ceiling is the hill to die on. Or rather, the ditch we will die in if we keep raising it.
Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:22 PM (QupBk)

I concur. We need to make the dems choose who gets paid off. With unlimited credit they don't have to. It'll make them divide thier base with each interest group fighting for spoils. If only someone in Washington were smart enough to figure that out.
There has to be some GOP members here who can do something

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (t06LC)

242 #218 The PA Republicans wimped out on privatizing the liquor stores for some reason. Gov. Corbett just said he wants to go back to it in the next legislative session. Talk about a winning campaign issue! Here we are talking about legalizing pot in some states, and we still have state-run liquor stores in PA.

I just bought a 12-pack of SamAdams at Wegman's in NJ for $10. Same box is $20 in PA. And I can't ever find the bourbon I want in PA stores, but they have it at Wegman's. I only shopPA storesin an emergency.

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (qE3AR)

243
>>>That's an awefully nice Myspace page you've got there.

I'm assuming that's a dig at the slow speed I introduce new content?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (0q2P7)

244 What to do, what to do?...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (XkWWK)


Help it to burn down. Reduce government revenues, and try to increase governmental expenses. Burn it at both ends.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (bb5+k)

245 Even Kristen Powers said last week that...it would be a return to the Clinton Tax Rates. And that the Dems are desperate to avoid it.
Posted by: wheatie at December 10, 2012 05:12 PM (CM59X)

The Dems to whom she's referring are no doubt national-level Democratic senators and members of the House in not-so-safe seats. These are the people who have to do everything they can not to have their names associated with controversial votes prior to the 2014 midterms. The President has never really had to worry about taking the heat for his own policies. They do.

Now, if only there was an opposing force of some kind, like, say, an opposition political party with views and ideas different from those of the Democrats, a political party savvy and smart enoughto exploit the situation...wait, what? Sorry, daydreaming again.

Posted by: troyriser at December 10, 2012 05:26 PM (vtiE6)

246 But notice they're out there saying "We want to keep middle class taxes
low!" and we're saying... I don't know what we're saying. We're
entirely reactive.


I think the GOP is pretty much reduced to, "Please, chocolate messiah, can I swallow the last load you dumped in my mouth before you make yet another deposit?"

Sheesh - you'd think that Barry won all 57-states and 65% of the vote given how ineffective Boner and MushMitch are at this negotiating stuff.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2012 05:27 PM (V20sy)

247
Romney couldn't find one family or small business owner hurt by Obama's regulations and cart them around on the campaign trail?

Over three years of $3+ gas and 8%+ unemployment and we couldn't make hay with either??

There was no cunning plan or psy-ops on Obama's part. We shit the bed.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:27 PM (ptD6d)

248 PA Gov Corbett lost on the state stores because the legislators were all but hurt that he cut their WAM (walking around buying votes money)

Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 05:28 PM (UhXzR)

249 Saved money. Giving better gifts. And best of all the state didn't get a penny.

See I was flexible. And I'm winning.

The dried food is another good idea.


Posted by: Sophistahick at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (UhXzR)

Bartering and making do without spending money will also help solve the problem. Becoming as self sufficient as possible is what we all need to do. Spend money on stuff you can't trade for or make yourself.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:29 PM (bb5+k)

250 Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 10, 2012 05:24 PM (QxSug)

I can't say that won't work. All I can say is that is what we have been doing for over six decades. We are the crustyold parents that fix the screw ups of our kids and they go merrily on their way making the same mistakes. We are never cool andfrequently called mean. We need to let the kids fail so they can learn.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (m2CN7)

251 "Do not yield to evil! Attack, attack more boldly even than fortune seems to permit!"
Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:16 PM (XvHmy)


What with?!

In the immortal words of Sonny Corleone, "I don't want my brother coming out of that bathroom with just his dick in his hands."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (XkWWK)


With anything and everything!

By tooth and nail if need be!

Idenfity the threats before the become unassailable.

Cory Booker looks ready to run for NJGov. If he wins it, he will be a future Dem Prez. nominee, and will likely be even more unassailable than the SCoaMF.

We need to hammer him early and often.

Look at what Sen. Heller (the only GOP senate candidate to win in a state that Obama won) did: He attacked the Dem early and often. He identified her as corrupt in the publics eye before she could do the same to him. By constantly attacking, his opponent was put on the defense and ultimately lost because of it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (XvHmy)

252 If it were possible, I'd say yes - the debt limit would be the hill to die on. But it is not possible with this game board and our current players. Therefore this is a fantasy.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 10, 2012 05:30 PM (zpqa2)

253 #247 Don't even get me started on the gas prices. That alone should have been enough to bury Obama after he killed the Keystone XL. But again, Obama's voters aren't people who have cars or jobs to get to, so it might not have made much difference.

The biggest fail to me was failing to engage young voters, especially with Paul Ryan on the ticket. And having an effective campaign toward women.

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 05:31 PM (NYnoe)

254 Romney couldn't find one family or small business owner hurt by Obama's regulations and cart them around on the campaign trail?
Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:27 PM (ptD6d)

I guess you forgot about the We Built This portion of the campaign.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

255 230 Boehner should just pass a 6 month extension. At most, he'll take the clock off the table, at worst he can say he tried to keep the fiscal cliff from happening but the dems shot the hostage.

The House Republicans have passed legislation dealing with the fiscal cliff but few people know it because they have collectively done a poor job of communicating the fact.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (YjDyJ)

256
The biggest problem I have with the let it/make
it burn crowd is this is THE EXACT SAME idea behind Cloven Piven. Its
about breaking the cycle.

I always thought that Cloven Piven was a bit optomistic for
liberals, that a leftist state was not necessicarily the only outcome.
There is inherent risk in chaos.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 10, 2012 05:18 PM (t06LC)


We've already got a leftest state. It is the leftest state that we are currently trying to break.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:32 PM (bb5+k)

257 This isn't for the people receiving the calls. This is about the people making the calls.

Buy-in, it's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 05:35 PM (I2LwF)

258 #248 Actually, the Reps. in the House were afraid of the public employee union that represents the liquor store employees. There are several thousand of them and Reps. were afraid of voting to kill middle class jobs when PA has a high UE rate.

I'm thinking of corralling all the money I can and buying a liquor license once the state kills the stores. It's one business that is totally recession-proof. I will specialize in high-end premium brands of booze and wine so all the rich limousine liberals will give me their money. ;-)

Posted by: rockmom at December 10, 2012 05:36 PM (qE3AR)

259 A liquor license is a license to print money.

Posted by: dick cheese at December 10, 2012 05:37 PM (QupBk)

260 If they call me, I'm gonna say- 'This is Detective Jones and I'm in charge of this homicide investigation. I need your name and address so you can be eliminated as a suspect.'

But sadly, they won't stop until we are dead or in chains.

Posted by: EROWMER at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (kxlCQ)

261
"To everyone else in my family, Obama's already the greatest president in history. He doesn't have to do much at all to secure his legacy."

Change family.

You all asked Romney to bite shitobama's balls and you cannot even open the eyes of you relatives...

Bonhers family I bet vote Republican

Posted by: fromabroad at December 10, 2012 05:38 PM (rnV3B)

262
There was no cunning plan or psy-ops on Obama's part. We shit the bed.


Posted by: soothsayer at December 10, 2012 05:27 PM (ptD6d)

No we didn't. In 1992, the media spun the Economy as terrible and entirely the fault of George HW Bush. Every single day they ran stories about how terrible was the economy, and I personally think they coordinated their stories with the wishes of the Clinton Campaign.

Bottom line is this. Had the media done their job, let alone the kind of shit they did for Clinton, Obama would have been toast. They didn't. They covered up all the bad news, and did everything they could to distract the public's attention from the reality of a economy in the toilet.

The Media control of the Air waves is the single biggest weapon in their hands.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at December 10, 2012 05:39 PM (bb5+k)

263
The proper reaction to this is ridicule and jeering.

No, the proper reaction is to sign up, and then subsitute your own script for Teh Won's.

Operation Chaos 2.0.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (1hM1d)

264 There is inherent risk in chaos.

When this all comes down (yeah, it's not "if", it's "when" - because Math is a stone, cold bitch and she always wins, H/T AtC) there will be not more than 3-4 sorts of people in the world...
1) People going-through some sort of pant-wetting panic (running screaming in a circle or hiding under their chair sucking their thumb)
2) Thieves and murders who will try to take advantage of the people in the first group (and the next as well)
3) People who are able to remain calm in the face of the first two groups
3a) Rebuilders and healers

Notice I didn't say "preppers" and the like - because frankly they can end up in any of those groups.

So here's the thing, who do you think is going to make-up the bulk of the first and second group? Think - what happens when the EBT cards don't work any more and nobody recognizes "Medicare" as a method of payment for medical services.

Also, people who didn't see it coming.

You don't want to be in either of those groups.

LIB is a way of, in a small way, mentally prepping - so that, perhaps, one can avoid one of those first two groups. It's going to be ugly - really, freaking ugly. Being mentally prepared gives one a shot, small though it may be, at being able to come out the other side and try to put it all back together.

Posted by: DocJ at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (V20sy)

265 I'm assuming that's a dig at the slow speed I introduce new content?

Nah, just goofing on you for the background.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 05:40 PM (SY2Kh)

266 233 ...and the installation of conservatives in all key committee chairmanship posts.

Most of them are conservative.
http://bit.ly/UQrCpb

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 10, 2012 05:41 PM (YjDyJ)

267 Another step along the road to the US version of Communist China "Struggle Sessions".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session

Posted by: Chai Chai at December 10, 2012 05:44 PM (lGIIW)

268 What a surprise...The Obamabots were Jedi mind tricked.


We all know who THAT works on.

Posted by: SARDiver at December 10, 2012 05:45 PM (FMiXD)

269 The majority doesn't have the right to steal my money

Peter Schiff
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

I do I have a mandate

Posted by: Obama at December 10, 2012 05:46 PM (IMD8t)

270 I do I have a mandate

Posted by: Obama at December 10, 2012 05:46 PM (IMD8t)


Yes he does. And he better not be late this time either!

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 10, 2012 05:48 PM (XvHmy)

271 Cory Booker looks ready to run for NJGov. If he wins it, he will be a future Dem Prez. nominee, and will likely be even more unassailable than the SCoaMF. We need to hammer him early and often.

You expect anyone to lift a finger for Christie after this election?

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 05:57 PM (f88gl)

272 #271 What part of strategy do you not understand? It's about keeping Booker from getting to be a viable presidential candidate; helping Christie is a side effect.

So, you make Christie lose and Booker wins. Then he sits there in New Jersey as the "up and coming New jersey governor" and is on all the New York shows monthly, and then weekly.2016 rolls around, and he gets picked as VP and either is in a good position to run in 2020, or 2024.

We have t play the long game, and people like you are looking at the short one.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 06:02 PM (GoIUi)

273 Basically, the Democrats have weaponized Game.

Posted by: brian at December 10, 2012 06:11 PM (y05cf)

274 RE #266, lifetime ACU ratings of House chairmen:

*Agriculture: Lucas, 93.58
*Appropriations: H. Rogers, 84.79
*Armed Services: McKeon, 90.06
*Budget: P. Ryan, 91.69
*Education and the Workforce: Kline, 93.78
*Energy and Commerce: Upton, 72.87
*Financial Services: Hensarling, 98.19
*Foreign Affairs: Royce, 98.15
*Homeland Security: McCaul, 91.29
*House Administration: 78.94
*Intelligence: M. Rogers, 89.73
*Judiciary: Goodlatte, 95.24
*Natural Resources: D. Hastings, 94.10
*Oversight: Issa, 91.18
*Rules: P. Sessions, 97.20
*Science, Space, and Tech: L. Smith, 92.13
*Small Business: S. Graves, 90.32
*Transportation: Shuster, 91.97
*Veterans' Affairs: J. Miller, 95.97
*Ways and Means: Camp, 88.06

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 10, 2012 06:11 PM (YjDyJ)

275 If only the Democrats could muster such drive, enthusiasm, and initiative to make government work better. But I guess that's the boring part.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 10, 2012 06:18 PM (dZQh7)

276 Ref 271

Oh great news... 4 more years of Obama, then 8 years with Hillary (because she deserves it for putting up with Bill's shit) followed by 8 years of Booker which now establishes a new rule that no white male can ever be president again.

Posted by: ADK46er at December 10, 2012 06:20 PM (IMD8t)

277 "Basically, the Democrats have weaponized Game."

Good analogy.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 10, 2012 06:20 PM (dZQh7)

278 Miss Marple, what sort of game was Christie playing buy practically endorsing Obama?

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 06:22 PM (f88gl)

279 #278 He was playing a weakling, an emotional supplicant for help for his state. Also stabbing Romney in the back, possibly for not picking him as VP.

All Christie will ever be is governor of New Jersey. I think it is ok to leave him there in order to keep Booker from advancing.

OR, we could trash Christie and give Booker the election, giving him a national platform to get traction for a presidential run.

Which do you think helps us more?

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (GoIUi)

280 "The House Republicans have passed legislation dealing with the fiscal cliff but few people know it because they have collectively done a poor job of communicating the fact."

We hear this all the time.

There are two possibilities:

1) The GOP really is incompetent at communication and it seems to be genetic.

2) The media bias is the problem.

I think 2 is the more likely, because over time, eventually you would have some cream rise to the top. 2 also magnifies the Democrats apparent skill - wow, look how awesome they are at communicating!

Posted by: Sexypig at December 10, 2012 06:32 PM (dZQh7)

281 Republicans think politics is a nice Sunday game of croquet.
Democrats think it's war.
That's why they keep winning.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 06:38 PM (HDgX3)

282 OR, we could trash Christie and give Booker the election, giving him a national platform to get traction for a presidential run. Which do you think helps us more?

Neither, Christie has practically left the Republican party. Leaving him in place gives him another opportunity to backstab the next Republican candidate.

As for Booker, whether he goes for a presidential run will depend on Dem internal politics.

Posted by: Decaf at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (f88gl)

283 This micro targeting of voters seems like it would work especially for low information voters.
In my late teens and early 20's I used to only care about the defense budget because the Soviets did keep me up at night, I actually liked Sam Nunn becasue of this and would have voted for him (now its a different story he wants to go to zero nukes but in the 80's he was a strong defense advocate)
That was my issue that was almost the sole reason, at that young age, I liked Reagan. Now since then I follow foreign and domostic policy and would NEVER EVER vote Democratic but if Scoop Jackson was running against Rockefeller (the 'R' Rockefeller not liberal Jay) back then I would have went to the polls just for the pro defense meassage of the Democrat.
@280 - I agree with you onhow things are the media, bias CANNOT be over estimated.
Imagine you only listen to the nightly news and all you hear is Republicans are racist, sexist and homophobic OVER and OVER!

Posted by: bobbymike at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (9trNv)

284 Imagine you only listen to the nightly news and all you hear is Republicans are racist, sexist and homophobic OVER and OVER!

Posted by: bobbymike at December 10, 2012 07:01 PM (9trNv)


I used to do that when I was young. I was able to see that the people they were spewing hate at didn't match their descriptions, that was what led me away from neutrality.

Most people don't get that far.

MFM delenda est.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 10, 2012 07:05 PM (bxiXv)

285 “Today you will be calling fellow supporters with a message about extending middle-class tax cuts."

There seems to be something missing from that sentence. I can't quite figure out what it is.

Oh, yes. After villifying "Bush's tax cuts for the rich", these middle-class tax are apparently of no origin.

Odd, that.

Posted by: JohnJ at December 10, 2012 07:20 PM (Tt6ky)

286
O-bah-muhh Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded. Hence,
the caving of Republicans on Tax-Hikes-For-The-Rich

Posted by: It WILL Burn at December 10, 2012 07:49 PM (1YIWv)

287 There also appears to be a growing Facebook campaign with Obamabots sharing and posting political jokes blaming Republicans for the fiscal cliff/ ("lets' throw Congress off the cliff" , calling Congress a "bunch of baboons" (George Takai is leading that one) and the like. They also make a short post along the lines of "Obama is STANDING FIRM on his election promises, call your congressperson today....blah blah" No recognition that House members made commitments as well. As you say, this is little stuff, but it pumps them up and makes the rank and file appear to feel important in the scheme of things. How else are they going to contribute? Regardless of our persuasions, most of us don't have access to a huge audience. We show up to man the phones, send out letters, but it often doesn't make you believe you're making much of a difference. I have more avenues than most, but even then I'm also restricted by the environment.

I agree that people need to be involved to prevent the depressed from falling away from lack of a vision, but I believe that a successful vision must emphasize a long-term strategy to change the entertainment industry, the educational system and the media. These goals will take a strategy projected over decades in order to equalize the avenues from which many Americans form their opinions.

Short-term goals to keep everyone fired up, but the long vision to assure real success.
There would be tons of small jobs for our rank and file to take part in a long-term plan.
Understanding that overall big goal turns your little insignificant job into a cog in the greater wheel also motivates people.

These goals would be too huge a project for anyone to be pressuring you or any other single person to be responsible for designing the battle plan- that's a burden we all need to pick up and carry. But strategy committees brainstorming would be an excellent place to start.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at December 10, 2012 10:07 PM (OTWsz)

288 Just one more thought to toss out: (Please don't shoot on sight) Much as I freeze over at the thought of Hillary in the WH, it strikes me as a trap to prioritize stopping Hillary in 16, over (see #287) gaining more influence over entertainment, education and media- in order to build up our own base. In the long haul, people are attracted to a positive vision that reflects their values, not an anti-vision and criticisms of the other camp. If all of our energy is focused on Hillary for the next 4-12 years, then it would be case of the urgent overwhelming the important. Broken record, but play the long game for the big win.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at December 10, 2012 10:29 PM (OTWsz)

289 Mmyeah. They always run on the middle class tax cut. They always come back and screw you after the election, too, but yeah, they love running on that sweet, sweet middle-class tax cut.

Posted by: Rich Fader at December 10, 2012 11:48 PM (1Wv7+)

290 Randomly calling strangers and harassing them about their political views should classify you as a telemarketer and get you fined under the do not call list.

Posted by: aaa at December 11, 2012 12:36 AM (JFsQc)

291 So now it's all about campaigning and not at all about governing. Nixon would be proud.

The Selling of the President indeed.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 11, 2012 02:42 AM (+XVQe)

292 Surfing at 287 --I agree that people need to be involved to prevent the depressed from
falling away from lack of a vision, but I believe that a successful
vision must emphasize a long-term strategy to change the entertainment
industry, the educational system and the media.

I'd think changing the educational system would be the "easiest." None will be easy, of course, but at least education involves people's children, and those children's futures. Anybody got other thoughts?

Posted by: Salt Lick at December 11, 2012 07:17 AM (SQOBt)






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The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat