Old and Busted: We Have To Throw Millions Down Ratholes Like A123 So We Build Batteries, Rather Than The Chinese
New Hotness: A123 Sold To Chinese

The only thing that surprises me is that someone thought it was worth buying. I suppose some of those millions we spent must have bought some research that can be useful to someone, at some point.

True that the A123′s Michigan plant will remain open, but what we’ve essentially accomplished here is borrowing money from the Chinese, to build a company at a loss, to then sell it to the Chinese.

The plant will remain open for now. The Chinese don't buy companies to employ foreign workers. They believe in insourcing.

Posted by: Ace at 12:23 PM



Comments

1 First?

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 10, 2012 12:24 PM (KUPae)

2 Just protecting their monopoly.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 12:24 PM (GBXon)

3 Ne hau!

Posted by: BobAccosted Us at December 10, 2012 12:24 PM (uEm7J)

4 The only thing that surprises me is that someone thought it was worth buying.

If it gives the Chinese a chance to get their hands on the materials and production equipment, then I'm not surprised at all.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 12:25 PM (4df7R)

5 They make battery that last Long Time....

Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:26 PM (c8hZ5)

6 My country has a first name, it's S-C-R-E-W-E-D.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:26 PM (a0nis)

7 Yes, they are only buying the company for the tooling and patents. Zip, snip, and bye-bye, round eye.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 12:26 PM (08zV/)

8 Yay new thread

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:27 PM (uFY4s)

9 And in other breaking news, Charlie Crist is a democrat. Stop! My heart can't take all the surprises!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 12:27 PM (4df7R)

10 Just starting to get some return on their investment in Obama.

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:27 PM (RD7QR)

11 We as a nation have become too stupid to live.

Posted by: Jaws at December 10, 2012 12:28 PM (4I3Uo)

12 I Wonder what was worth buying.

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:28 PM (uFY4s)

13 9 its funny, not surprising

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:28 PM (uFY4s)

14 Low turnout today on the blog

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:29 PM (uFY4s)

15 Seriously where is everybody

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:29 PM (uFY4s)

16 Pathetic. Rush is now talking about it.

Posted by: Iblis at December 10, 2012 12:29 PM (9221z)

17 Wow, ghost thread already

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)

18 HaHa, round-eye!

Posted by: Hung So Lo at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (8YWGG)

19 Finally another human being... I think

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)

20 If You want to Drive your Car ,
Chi-Comm battery get you Far...

Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (c8hZ5)

21 Next time we should let the Chinese do their own battery research. They're probably too smart to invest in this kinda stuff though.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (a0nis)

22 China will Imploud within the next decade

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (uFY4s)

23 Let it Burn.

In a wok.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (zlvkY)

24 We buy GM next for song!!!

Posted by: Hung So Lo at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (8YWGG)

25 14
Low turnout today on the blog

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:29 PM (uFY4s)

15
Seriously where is everybody

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:29 PM (uFY4s)
17
Wow, ghost thread already

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)
And to think I broke my "first" cherry for this!

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (KUPae)

26 2000 comments here I come

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (uFY4s)

27 I bet we don't even get the courtesy of a reach around, either.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (ccXZP)

28 Posted by: Hung So Lo at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (8YWGG)



Hey, weren't you in Panda Express last night asking for a double order of Sum Yung Gai?

Yeah...yeah that was you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (sbV1u)

29 I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (zlvkY)

30 21 Next time we should let the Chinese do their own battery research. They're probably too smart to invest in this kinda stuff though.
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:31 PM (a0nis)

I don't mind basic battery R&D. Not sure why we have to fund specific companies though...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (FsUAO)

31 Charlie Crist is an orangeatan.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (ccXZP)

32


University of Colorado students who fed marijuana-laced brownies to class to appear in court - @9NEWS



...Life imitates art? Quick, who can name the 40 year-old movie that had this plot?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (1Y+hH)

33 O'bama communist , this we know,
Buy Chinese Battery so you Go Go Go !

Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (c8hZ5)

34 @29

Do it properly, say Ni Hao!

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (a0nis)

35 Why do I crave an egg roll, its not even real chinese

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (uFY4s)

36 >>> but what we’ve essentially accomplished here is borrowing money from
the Chinese, to build a company at a loss, to then sell it to the
Chinese.

We so deserve what is coming. And so do the Chinese, for trusting us.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (0q2P7)

37 19
Finally another human being... I think

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)

Take that back!

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (RD7QR)

38 Charlie Crist is an orangeatan. Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (ccXZP)

This no doubt means he will soon be making an appearance on the "Hot Chicks With Douchebags" blog.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (sbV1u)

39
Didn't they just buy a chunk of AIG that we also bailed out?

Posted by: Invictus at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (OQpzc)

40 Ace, you may want to educate yourself on trade issues, while this comment is only tangentially related to this post but a coherent case for freedom absolutely involves free trade. This insourcing good/outsourcing bad distracts from the case for freedom. Cafehayek may be a good blog to read up.

Also, I would like to blog here next week if you still have slots.

Posted by: Immigrant in CA at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (CQFnm)

41 Must have egg roll

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (uFY4s)

42 The Chinese have their own problems. For one thing, they have slanty eyes.

Posted by: Cricket at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (DrC22)

43 Let it burn.


Drive a lemon with one of these batteries and that might just happen.

Chink in the armor.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (XkWWK)

44 We so deserve what is coming. And so do the Chinese, for trusting us.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:33 PM (0q2P7)

They f'ed up! They trusted us!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (FsUAO)

45 Ne hau!

Ne hau ma.

Rough translation: hello and hello to you too.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (cHr8a)

46 I think they are about to discover our Ancient White People Secret!

It's made from subsidies.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (08zV/)

47 This no doubt means he will soon be making an appearance on the "Hot Chicks With Douchebags" blog.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (sbV1u)

With greased hair and duck lips.

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (RD7QR)

48 5 They make battery that last Long Time....
Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:26 PM (c8hZ5)


Okay, that made me laugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (XkWWK)

49 40 free trade for all democratic countries is the way to go, not free trade for all

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (uFY4s)

50 A123? They're not even trying anymore.

They could at least give the scams real names, like Solyndra. Someone at least put some thought into that.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (KXm42)

51 Think we can sell them Social Security?

Wait....... We did.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (zlvkY)

52 University of Colorado students who fed marijuana-laced brownies to class to appear in court - @9NEWS

If I were one of the students who ate the brownies, Iwould be SO pissed.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (4df7R)

53 Posted by: Immigrant in CA at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (CQFnm)

The power of the fed govt is being used to inject debt into its citizens... to spend more money on crony capitalism... this is not free trade.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (FsUAO)

54 28..HaHa..velly funny,round-eye...now tell me...who erect Obama...hah...??...who laughing now???!!!

Posted by: Hung So Lo at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (8YWGG)

55

@ 5

So instead of the Energizer Bunny, we have the VietCong hooker?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (XkWWK)

56 43 racist

Posted by: alex the liberal douchebag at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (uFY4s)

57 Q: What's the difference between China and Obamunism?

A: The Chinese expect you to actually work.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (GBXon)

58 @40

I support whereversourcing, but it still sucks that we had to subsidize a company for the benefit of someone else entirely.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (a0nis)

59 Let it burn.





Drive a lemon with one of these batteries and that might just happen.



Chink in the armor.


External Combustion Engine. An old moron classic.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (KXm42)

60 55. Jane Fonda?

Posted by: alex the liberal douchebag at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (uFY4s)

61 Chi-Comm smart we buy your debt,
keep voting Liberal and we Own The Rest!

Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (c8hZ5)

62 free trade for all democratic countries is the way to go, not free trade for all

Yeah, that whole 'MFN for China' thing didn't exactly turn out so well, did it...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (GBXon)

63 They're probably too smart to invest in this kinda stuff though.

The A123 tech is solid. I imagine we'll be seeing the next generation of cordless tools using it. Its less splody/burny than the LiPo or Li-Ion tech.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (cHr8a)

64 Drudge had a link about the Chinese going shopping. They just bought a controlling interest in the second largest airplane leasing company in the world - AIG's plane leasing unit for $4.23 billion. Largest purchase by a Chinese financial group of an American company.

Posted by: Penfold at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (Fbt5B)

65 If I were one of the students who ate the brownies, Iwould be SO pissed. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 12:36 PM (4df7R)___ ____ ____ _____ ____ ____Well yeah.....once you came down, sure.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (1Y+hH)

66

Frankly, it's no worse than Chevron/Texaco buying the patents to early (viable) electric car battery technology.

We allow ourselves to be enslaved by foreign corporations and foreign empires equally.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (UaxA0)

67 We so deserve what is coming. And so do the Chinese, for trusting us.

See that's the thing. They're fucking up just as bad as we are.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (KXm42)

68 Green energy is going red. Although I suspect that green energy has always been red at heart

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (1Jaio)

69 A123? They're not even trying anymore.

They could at least give the scams real names, like Solyndra. Someone at least put some thought into that.
Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:35 PM (KXm42)
-----------------------------------------------------------
And they had a spiffy logo! Nothing says 'legit' like a spiffy logo.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 10, 2012 12:39 PM (jucos)

70 >>>External Combustion Engine. An old moron classic.

I once inadvertently created the Noise Emitting Diode.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:39 PM (zlvkY)

71 AIG's plane leasing unit for $4.23 billion. Largest purchase by a Chinese financial group of an American company.
Posted by: Penfold


Good thing Bush created TARP to save AIG.

Good.

Thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (08zV/)

72 Is unloading a broke-ass battery company on the Chinese a source of pride or shame? It's easy to get confused when every news item is treated as evidence of eternal doom. This place reeks of estrogen lately.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (+lsX1)

73 This is all about TECHNOLOGY... battery technology... for submarines...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (lZBBB)

74 The bad thing about Chinese economics is that after they eat one American company, in an hour they're hungry for more.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)

75 I once inadvertently created the Noise Emitting Diode.

I'm not afraid of heights. It the widths that get me.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (KXm42)

76 72
Is unloading a broke-ass battery company on the Chinese a source of
pride or shame? It's easy to get confused when every news item is
treated as evidence of eternal doom. This place reeks of estrogen
lately.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (+lsX1)

How could you say such a thing? [Bursts into tears]

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:41 PM (RD7QR)

77 >>>>. This insourcing good/outsourcing bad distracts from the case for freedom.

Outsourcing during a labor surplus is sort of like bloody stool. It isn't a problem per se, but it sure is a good indicator a big problem exists.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:41 PM (0q2P7)

78 73
This is all about TECHNOLOGY... battery technology... for submarines...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (lZBBB)

Quiet, quiet, diesel electric submarines?

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:41 PM (RD7QR)

79 Fuckin' Romney.

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 12:42 PM (fWAjv)

80 The A123 tech is solid. I imagine we'll be seeing the next generation of cordless tools using it. Its less splody/burny than the LiPo or Li-Ion tech.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (cHr8a)

What's the tech based on then?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 10, 2012 12:42 PM (FsUAO)

81 How could you say such a thing? [Bursts into tears]

Don't listen to him. He only cares about himself.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:42 PM (KXm42)

82 >>I'm not afraid of heights. It the widths that get me.

*golf clap*

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:43 PM (zlvkY)

83 I bet there was some "stimulus" money used by one of Choomer's cronies to get the Chinese to buy A123... you know, to help "stimulate" our economy...

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at December 10, 2012 12:43 PM (Jls4P)

84

a broke-ass battery company


Yeah, except the broke ass part is being covered by our taxes, while the viable/valuable parts are t he ones being bought by the ChiComs.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 12:43 PM (UaxA0)

85 Hey, weren't you in Panda Express last night asking for a double order of Sum Yung Gai?

Yeah...yeah that was you.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 10, 2012 12:32 PM (sbV1u)



We can't even pretend to be embarrassed. The club's proud of you Bannion. Damn proud.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 12:43 PM (da5Wo)

86 >>>This place reeks of estrogen lately.


When you realize you can't hold it back any more.

Acceptance.
.
.
For men. From LiB

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:43 PM (0q2P7)

87 Good thing our secretary of energy is a competent wheeler-dealer.

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (/ZZCn)

88 >>>What's the tech based on then?

Using excess children as the anodes.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (zlvkY)

89 Don't listen to him. He only cares about himself.

I'm sorry you guys! [Cries while hugging friends]

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (+lsX1)

90
I remember when Japan was buying American assets left and right and everyone said they would soon own America.


That didn't work out so well for them.


Kind of like when Yankees used to come to Texas to buy real estate and min eral rights. The saying was "There's nothing better than watching a Yankee getting on a plane back to NY with a gift Stetson in his hand and a confused look on his face."

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (1Y+hH)

91 What's the tech based on then?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at December 10, 2012 12:42 PM (FsUAO)



Soylent Green

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (da5Wo)

92 Using excess children as the anodes.

I see you golf clap and raise you one.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 12:45 PM (KXm42)

93 Posted by: Hung So Lo at December 10, 2012 12:30 PM (8YWGG)

Hey, weren't you in Panda Express last night asking for a double order of Sum Yung Gai?
Yeah...yeah that was you.


No it was me...

Posted by: Long Duc Dong at December 10, 2012 12:45 PM (Jls4P)

94 @58 I am against this crony deal as well. We should not be giving one dime of subsidy to any of these green things or anyone else for that matter. Hence, the mention about this comment not being precisely related with this post.


@49 The system of governance is not relevant, because we ultimately trade with people. People make stuff and also consume them. I do think unilateral free trade needs to be given a chance. I do want to apologize if it sounds too similar to "Give Peace a Chance"

Posted by: Immigrant in CA at December 10, 2012 12:45 PM (CQFnm)

95 This is all about TECHNOLOGY... battery technology... for submarines...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (lZBBB)

Quiet, quiet, diesel electric submarines?
Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:41 PM (RD7QR)
---------------------------------------------------------
Shhhhhhhhhhhh..... we're hunting wascally wabbit.

Posted by: Elmer Fudd at December 10, 2012 12:45 PM (jucos)

96 If you want to eat like king ,
Chinese Twinkie is the thing ....

Posted by: AmericanDawg at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (c8hZ5)

97 Do not taunt Happy Fun Battery.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (QupBk)

98 but it still sucks that we had to subsidize a company for the benefit of someone else entirely.

Actually, the Chinese will wind up pushing the A123 tech into all the market spaces where it really fit well, and there's demand for...and they do it cheaper than A123 ever would have.

The reason the company failed, is they banked too much on Obama electric car happy talk and not enough on researching the myriad of other solid applications for the tech that could have kept them afloat until the unicorn delivery trucks started rolling in.

If they'd stayed small and lean and advanced their market incrementally niche by niche, they'd still be alive.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (cHr8a)

99 Let it burn.
In a wok.

Unfortunately, I do that way too often.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (GFM2b)

100 Ya notice the Chicoms want no part of the Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (79ueO)

101 I wonder how much money we could have saved by simply writing a check to the Chinese government.

Posted by: gastorgrab at December 10, 2012 12:47 PM (FX38i)

102 Herr Morgenholz, haven't seen you at the Splitters for a while.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (Lxw+T)

103
Note from Dad: Buy D. R. Horton.


Either he's still a genius or he's finally gone round the bend.

*flips coin*

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (1Y+hH)

104 100
Ya notice the Chicoms want no part of the Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (79ueO)

Kept calling it the Chevy Vort and got frustrated.

(I denounce myself preemptively.)

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (RD7QR)

105 OT: It really chaps my ass when I go to site, and the first thing that
pops out at me is a banner/ad featuring those little doe-eyed, foreign,
brown-skinned, hair-lip babies.

It really is worse than porn.

Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (/ZZCn)

106 87
Good thing our secretary of energy is a competent wheeler-dealer.


Posted by: Fritz at December 10, 2012 12:44 PM (/ZZCn)

--------------------
I would like to know the connections of Jean Fetter, Chu's British-born and Oxford-educated second wife.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (GoIUi)

107 If they'd stayed small and lean and advanced their market incrementally niche by niche, they'd still be alive.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:46 PM (cHr8a)


Ya mean if they had to do it the old fashion way, instead of getting all that cheap free Gov Money?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 12:49 PM (79ueO)

108 Let it burn . let it burn. let it burn..

Posted by: Clemenza at December 10, 2012 12:49 PM (ND1/g)

109 I am appalled and horrified and horrifically appalled at the xenophobia, racism and general riffraffness that permeates what was, at one time, a space of reasoned discourse and moderation. Truly, the GOP is lost when a once rising star of conservative thought allows such statements to be made without repercussion. It is a sad day indeed.

Posted by: anybody seen my bike? at December 10, 2012 12:49 PM (VtjlW)

110 This is all about TECHNOLOGY... battery technology... for submarines...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 10, 2012 12:40 PM (lZBBB)
=============

WINNAH! WINNAH! (General Tso's) CHICKEN DINNAH!!

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 10, 2012 12:49 PM (RSqz2)

111 103

Note from Dad: Buy D. R. Horton.


Either he's still a genius or he's finally gone round the bend.

*flips coin*

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:48 PM (1Y+hH)

A home-building company? No offense, but I'd go with "round the bend."

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:50 PM (RD7QR)

112 Jamie Foxx says: Kill all the Chinamen.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 12:50 PM (HDgX3)

113 Romeo13, for the kind of subs we don't build - so they are screwed

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 12:51 PM (a9Izx)

114 I support whereversourcing, but it still sucks that we had to subsidize a company for the benefit of someone else entirely.
Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 12:37 PM (a0nis)


It's a bit like the Red Letter Media review of "Attack of the Clones." I refer, of course, to this quote by Plinkett:

"It doesn't really matter at this point, does it? Anakin's no longer an eight year old and is basically a whole new character at this point because it's been so long since we've seen him. And we barely knew Obi Wan in the first place 'cause he didn't do anything in the last movie. So they might as well have started the entire prequel saga here. I mean why not?"

In other words, what was the point of the shitty first installment if its purpose could just as easily have been accomplished by skipping right ahead to the second part. Instead of borrowing from the Chinese to prop up A123, we might as well have just sold the damn thing to them from the get-go and let THEM eat the loss.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 12:51 PM (4df7R)

115 What's the tech based on then?

Lithium/Iron/Phosphates. Performance is similar to LiPo (i.e. fucking outstanding) but the fire risk is way lower.

They're a tad heavier than LiPo or Li-Ion, but the decreased fire/explosion risks allow the tech to push into market segments LiPo and Li-Ion can't for safety reasons.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:51 PM (cHr8a)

116 A home-building company? No offense, but I'd go with "round the bend."


Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:50 PM (RD7QR)

_____________________________
I dunno, I think home building may be a good buy. Obama's (errr I mean Bernanke) will keep interest rates at 0 for years to come. It's cheaper to but than rent in most places right now.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 12:52 PM (HDgX3)

117 It is a sad day indeed.

I say Good Day to you Sir.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (QupBk)

118 From the linked article:

True that the A123′s Michigan plant will remain open, but what we’ve essentially accomplished here is borrowing money from the Chinese, to build a company at a loss, to then sell it to the Chinese.


****

There's no way in hell the administration didn't have a hand in this. This may have been a part of earlier negotiations.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (piMMO)

119 Lithium/Iron/Phosphates. Performance is similar to LiPo (i.e. fucking outstanding) but the fire risk is way lower.


So you can drive in the rain? That's new!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (VtjlW)

120 A home-building company? No offense, but I'd go with "round the bend."
Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 12:50 PM (RD7QR)I'd be right there with you if Dad didn't have a hell of track record.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (1Y+hH)

121 >>>Herr Morgenholz, haven't seen you at the Splitters for a while.

Just surviving in this shit economy is taking all of my time. Also, two different physical therapy things. Had my left knee and my left arm filleted in the past 6 months.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (zlvkY)

122 Using excess children as the anodes.

And when they are produced at the abortion clinic --> sacrificial anodes

Posted by: chemjeff at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (m/eXi)

123 I am not walking as funny as usual from this Government FU because the buyer has a small johnson?

Posted by: Clemenza at December 10, 2012 12:53 PM (ND1/g)

124 >>>Ya notice the Chicoms want no part of the Chevy Volt?

Listening to GM execs talk up that car as being stuck in a political battle and therefore under-performing in the market is just painful.

I just get the urge to walk up and punch them right in the face and say. "Your total cost of ownership even with the kickbacks is more than a F*king LEXUS! With features and luxuries rivaling a VW Golf! And you want to blame poor sales on POLITICS!?"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:54 PM (0q2P7)

125 I would rike to meet this Cho girl and have sexy time with her in ribrary.

Posted by: Psy The Pan Faced Korean at December 10, 2012 12:54 PM (jucos)

126 Leading from behind in everything. It's the Obama way.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 10, 2012 12:55 PM (wR+pz)

127
I am not walking as funny as usual from this Government FU because the buyer has a small johnson?


That's not a Johnson, that's a jo.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 12:55 PM (1Y+hH)

128 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 12:54 PM (0q2P7)

But But But the commercials show tons of happy buyers! (Ok well 3, but still that's like 100% satisifaction rating.)
BTW, Chevy's busy pushing the "I haven't filled up my gas tank in 2 months!" line. Are people really that stupid that they don't realize their power bill is going up to compensate for that? (Dunno if it's equal rise, I'd have to do the math, but it's not like it's free.)

Posted by: tsrblke (Work) at December 10, 2012 12:56 PM (b3IgE)

129 Yet another story for the MFM to ignore

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 12:56 PM (1Jaio)

130 Posted by: anybody seen my bike? at December 10, 2012 12:49 PM (VtjlW)

We're busy making fart jokes right now. Come back in an hour when we do the reasonable discourse thingy.

The secret is to pace yourself.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 12:56 PM (ccXZP)

131 we might as well have just sold the damn thing to them from the get-go and let THEM eat the loss.

They'd have done something smart about the larger form factor units if the electric car market never developed...like design a super sized golf cart kinda thing for the police in urban areas.

Actually, I don't think the Chinese would have ramped electric car form factor production until there was a demonstrated demand. That was A123's problem - they believed Obama.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:57 PM (cHr8a)

132 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (5DR1j)

133 Are people really that stupid that they don't realize their power bill is going up to compensate for that? (Dunno if it's equal rise, I'd have to do the math, but it's not like it's free.)
Posted by: tsrblke (Work) at December 10, 2012 12:56 PM (b3IgE)



Yes. It's like when I ask people with Priuseses or other electric vehicle where they think the electricity is coming from. Nearly every single time the answer is an eyeroll and "the plug duh". When I push as to how the electricity gets to the plug, I might was well be asking Mommy's dog to explain string theory.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (VtjlW)

134 Over 100 so going OT.

Alan Colmes doesn't have an authentic bone in his body.

He just, essentially, blamed conservatives for Mubarak being kicked out, asking whether Republicans are now pining for him now that Morsi is in office.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (piMMO)

135 I haven't filled up my gas tank in 2 months!" line

I especially like the dumb chick who says she doesn't remember how to put gas in the car.
The guy who says kids give him the thumbs up is pretty stupid too.

Posted by: cicero skip at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (3m9Uc)

136 Had my left knee and my left arm filleted in the past 6 months.

Your limbs are a microcosm of the economy.

Except that presumably you were cured, whereas it's the opposite for the nation.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at December 10, 2012 12:59 PM (Lxw+T)

137 Chevy's busy pushing the "I haven't filled up my gas tank in 2 months!" line

I fill the Jetta TDI's tank maybe once a month. Once a week if I'm driving a lot.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:59 PM (cHr8a)

138 That was A123's problem - they believed Obama.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 12:57 PM (cHr8a)

Seems to be a lot of that going around lately

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 12:59 PM (79ueO)

139 Frankly, it's no worse than Chevron/Texaco buying the patents to early (viable) electric car battery technology.

We allow ourselves to be enslaved by foreign corporations and foreign empires equally.



Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (UaxA0)

Can you show links to prove this happened? Otherwise it's just tinfoil-hat stuff.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2012 01:01 PM (29+x5)

140 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (VtjlW)

In fairness The original and 2nd gen hybrid prius's gathered some electricity from the brakes (recapture isn't very efficent, but it's better than a total loss) and had a standard alternator. My parents don't plug their prius in. (They claim to be saving gas money but I'm suspicious. But they also picked up the car for only $2k more than the camery they thought about getting, and it's a bit more roomy and has better trunk space for their uses, so it's a wash I suspect.)

Posted by: tsrblke (Work) at December 10, 2012 01:02 PM (b3IgE)

141 They'd have done something smart about the larger form factor units if the electric car market never developed...like design a super sized golf cart kinda thing for the police in urban areas.


Actually, I can see a market for those Smart car type thingys. I hate them with a passion and they aren't cars but for my one friend who lives in Toronto, it's perfect. She just needs something small that she can drive to work and get some groceries and go to her see her family an hour or so out of the way. She also isn't me who wants to be able to take everything I own with me if I go away for two days. An electric vehicle with say a 40-60 mile range is perfect for her.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 01:02 PM (VtjlW)

142
Chevy's busy pushing the "I haven't filled up my gas tank in 2 months!" line




No job, no need for gas.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:02 PM (1Y+hH)

143 >>Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at December 10, 2012 12:59 PM (Lxw+T)


And, since I figured that I was physically beat to shit anyway, I got a vasectomy to cure the potentially deadly condition which would occur if I knocked the Frau up again.

I think it was Empire of Jeff who made bruised balls jokes on here before I did it. I just laughed him off.

Two days after the procedure it looked like a snowflake resting on a concord grape.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 01:02 PM (zlvkY)

144 "I haven't been able to fill my gas tank in 2 months now." Wish I had an Obama Windmill Car. <sarc>

Posted by: That Guy on Staten Island at December 10, 2012 01:03 PM (71LDo)

145 That was A123's problem - they believed Obama.

Imagine Barack as a young Otter. But without the fun and humor.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows battery technology will set the world on fire at December 10, 2012 01:03 PM (Lxw+T)

146 A123, the new definition for 'sweetheart deal'.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at December 10, 2012 01:03 PM (VUZmr)

147 Alan Colmes doesn't have an authentic bone in his body.



He just, essentially, blamed conservatives for Mubarak being kicked
out, asking whether Republicans are now pining for him now that Morsi is
in office.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (piMMO)



Alan looks like a propped up corpse. And sounds like the embalming fluid went to what was left of his brain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 01:03 PM (1Jaio)

148 Maybe with RTW in Michigan the Chinese will keep the plant open for six months

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 01:04 PM (a9Izx)

149 So do I want to go for Cold Weather Training this year? Yeah I guess so: Be prepared

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:04 PM (79ueO)

150 Two days after the procedure it looked like a snowflake resting on a concord grape.

A picture is worth a thousand cuts.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows battery technology will set the world on fire at December 10, 2012 01:05 PM (Lxw+T)

151 A123 is the primary battery supplier for Fisker and their hot selling nameplate Firestarter.

Also, anyone notice that Volt sales fell 50% in November from October levels? That's strange -- what else happened in November?

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:05 PM (ccXZP)

152 I fill the Jetta TDI's tank maybe once a month. Once a week if I'm driving a lot.

Granted, most of that week is spent trying to get to 70mph.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 01:06 PM (SY2Kh)

153 Also, anyone notice that Volt sales fell 50% in November from October levels? That's strange -- what else happened in November?
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:05 PM (ccXZP)

If I am not mistaken, most of the Volts are being bought by the US Gov. right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:06 PM (79ueO)

154
There's this weird thing that happens when you produce something useful.



People will buy it. No subsidy required either.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:07 PM (1Y+hH)

155 Alan looks like a propped up corpse.

---

I wonder if he wasn't available for that elevator corpse-in-the-coffin stunt.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 01:07 PM (Hx5uv)

156 Alan couldn't have played the dead guy in that movie. He looks too dead, wouldn't have worked.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:08 PM (1Y+hH)

157 Granted, most of that week is spent trying to get to 70mph.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 10, 2012 01:06 PM (SY2Kh)



As someone who used to date a person with a diesel Jetta, I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 01:08 PM (VtjlW)

158 There's this weird thing that happens when you produce something useful.

People will buy it. No subsidy required either.


You wingnuts with your crazy wackhatted trickle-down conspiracy theories. It's as if you never read Das Kapital.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows battery technology will set the world on fire at December 10, 2012 01:09 PM (Lxw+T)

159
So...... Barrack used borrowed Chinese money..... funnelled through "green technology" companies..... to fund Obamas re-election coffers and reward his bundlers.... then sells ruined companies ..... for more Chineese money.


Brilliant!!!..... evil... but brilliant.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2012 01:09 PM (nELVU)

160 Okay, this is totally OT, but this story really pisses me off and we're past 100 comments, so here goes.

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REPORT: At Least Seven NFL Players Turn in Guns in Wake of Belcher Tragedy
LINK to CBS Local NY: http://tiny.cc/g833ow

...{P}layers are taking action to prevent further unthinkable incidents from occurring.

During Week 14¡äs coverage of Football Night in America, Peter King reported that multiple NFL players have turned in their firearms as a result of the Belcher tragedy.

¡°I¡¯ve been told that in the last seven days, at least seven players around the league have gone to their team¡¯s security officers to turn in the firearms that they possess from their homes,¡± King said during the broadcast. ¡°I¡¯m also told that one of these players had multiple firearms, as Jovan Belcher did ¡ª he had eight ¡­ He told his security officer, ¡®I don¡¯t trust myself with these guns in the house. Please take them away.¡¯¡±...


Now, let me preface by saying that these players have every right to do what they feel is right with their own, legally owned firearms. But what aggravates me is

A) If these players don't trust themselves enough to have these guns NOW, in the wake of the Belcher murder/suicide, then what made them trust themselves enough to buy them in the first place? What has changed in their psychological makeup that now they don't trust their own impulse control whereas they did before? Maybe THAT needs to be addressed more than the simple fact of gun ownership.

B) Generally I like Peter King, but his decision to highlight that one player had, "multiple firearms, as Jovan Belcher did," makes me absolutely irate. The juxtaposition implies that it was the possession of multiple firearms that pushed Belcher to do what he did. That's absolute horseshit, and an insult to all gun owners. Owning multiple firearms does not mean you're going to go on a fucking rampage, murder the mother of your child and subsequently kill yourself. It just means you own a lot of guns. If someone owns a lot of cars, does that mean he or she is more likely to get hammered and go get in a fatal car accident while driving under the influence? Or is it the INDIVIDUAL WHO DOES THE DRINKING, not the number of cars he or she owns, that is responsible for that outcome?

I'm just so ANGRY right now. ARRGH.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:10 PM (4df7R)

161 As someone who used to date a person with a diesel Jetta, I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with bacon cheddar fries. at December 10, 2012 01:08 PM (VtjlW)


I'm sorry, a what?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:10 PM (da5Wo)

162 153 >> If I am not mistaken, most of the Volts are being bought by the US Gov. right?

ngu, A few blue states like CA have also pitched in and bought quite a few.

But it's true that there were some large dealer and leasing incentives on the Volt that ended in October, which surely played a part too.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:11 PM (ccXZP)

163
The Chinese have a lot of all -electric scooters in the big cities. All the kids and a lot of adults ride them. Gas scooters are actually illegal in a lot of cities because of air pollution problems.

Of course, something like 80% of their electrical power is generated by burning coal, so they've got that going for them.

They also are building electric busses. And the thing is the government can mandate that these be used, and create the market for them. Just like Joe Biden and Tom Friedman wish they could do here.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 10, 2012 01:11 PM (RFeQD)

164 Speaking of the Splitters, well-timed observation over there:

We’re in for a run of Heinlein’s Bad Luck. It will be the most recorded, observed, and analyzed run of Bad Luck the world has ever known.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows battery technology will set the world on fire at December 10, 2012 01:11 PM (Lxw+T)

165 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:11 PM (ccXZP)

And numerous tax credits IIRC, which are currently unstable at best so people may be deciding to hold off to see what happens with regards to that. (Even if the Tax credits survive if total taxes go up you'll want to get those credits in a higher tax year I suspect.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:12 PM (b3IgE)

166 I especially like the dumb chick who says she doesn't remember how to put gas in the car.

Posted by: cicero skip at December 10, 2012 12:58 PM (3m9Uc)


That woman should be sterilized for the good of humanity. Stupidity like that does not deserve to breed. Whenever I see that commercial I want to lunge through the TV and smack her silly.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:12 PM (4df7R)

167 ::::143 >>Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at December 10, 2012 12:59 PM (Lxw+T)


And, since I figured that I was physically beat to shit anyway, I got a vasectomy to cure the potentially deadly condition which would occur if I knocked the Frau up again.

I think it was Empire of Jeff who made bruised balls jokes on here before I did it. I just laughed him off.

Two days after the procedure it looked like a snowflake resting on a concord grape.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at December 10, 2012 01:02 PM (zlvkY)::;;;

Heh.

Heh-heh.

Aaa- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA - ***cough cough cough**+

no, I'm okay

Eh-heheheh!

Heh!

Whoo...

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (rL2Ar)

168 Also: Old and Busted: "We need to raise taxes revenue to avert the fiscal cliff!"
New Hotness: "We still need to raise taxes revenue, but we also have to increase spending!"

Heard on Rush that the Democrats are now ALSO demanding further extensions to UE Benefits as part of Fiscal Cliff negotiations.

If I had a blog, I'd probably rant about it there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (5DR1j)

169 I'm just so ANGRY right now. ARRGH.Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:10 PM (4df7R)The emotional reaction of seven young impressionable people out of 1,600is nothing to get angry about.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (1Y+hH)

170
The democrat union government union machine comes to fruition.

Posted by: Fresh at December 10, 2012 01:14 PM (O7ksG)

171 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (rL2Ar)

Do I sense the makings of a bourbon cast topic?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:14 PM (b3IgE)

172 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (rL2Ar)




Finally graced us with your presence?




Slacker.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:14 PM (da5Wo)

173 The emotional reaction of seven young impressionable people out of 1,600is nothing to get angry about.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:13 PM (1Y+hH)


It is when it's treated like a newsworthy statistic, with the scare quotes to imply that there are many more out there who are doing the same thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:15 PM (4df7R)

174 I especially like the dumb chick who says she doesn't remember how to put gas in the car.


Well here in NJ, that only involves driving up to a pump and saying to the guy: gas please

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:15 PM (79ueO)

175
With the way the government ruined A123 with their "green" subsidy and brilliant market analysis, you have to wonder ......what next?

What can these klutzes touch next and ruin?

Purple Avenger is right. I've been reading about A123 for years, and they were a little venture research firm. If they would've grown into different markets naturally, they would have been fine. The big government subsidy load basically put so much debt in their books there was no way they could grow fast enough.

It's almost as if......someone planned it that way. Huh?

Now, the Chinese will have their technology that was developed and will start to sell it back to us in a few years.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (RFeQD)

176 ::o I sense the makings of a bourbon cast topic?::::

Who wants to listen to me talk for 6 minutes about my balls?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (rL2Ar)

177

This is about controlling an industry.

While, they are buying out the natural resources around the world, even the oil in Canada.

That is about controlling the world.

Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (LpQbZ)

178
"It is when it's treated like a newsworthy statistic, with the scare quotes to imply that there are many more out there who are doing the same thing."


Ah, I see, didn't catch who you were angry AT. Carry on.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (1Y+hH)

179 Who wants to listen to me talk for 6 minutes about my balls?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (rL2Ar)



*cough cough*

Posted by: Teh Gabe at December 10, 2012 01:17 PM (da5Wo)

180 Ah, I see, didn't catch who you were angry AT. Carry on.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (1Y+hH)


Ah, yes. I should have been more clear.

Angry at the players? No. They can and should do as they see fit.

Angry at the media for focusing on the wrong damn things? Oh hell yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:17 PM (4df7R)

181 I especially like the dumb chick who says she doesn't remember how to put gas in the car.





Well here in NJ, that only involves driving up to a pump and saying to the guy: gas please


Let's see now, the gas pump thingy goes in where the electric plug goes in right? Yeah that sounds right, all energy is equivalent!
(Gas engines are somewhat inefficient by their nature, but I can't possibly believe it's any more efficient to burn coal, LP, whatever, turn it to electricity via turbines, send that through the wires, convert it to DC, load it into the car battery, then output it again as physical force....so...yeah..waste of energy.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:17 PM (b3IgE)

182 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 10, 2012 01:16 PM (rL2Ar)

In fairness, I figured you'd spend the 6 minutes mocking people for not listening to your warnings and then make a bruised balls joke here and there.
then mock some more.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:18 PM (b3IgE)

183

All Your Green Research Belong To Us!

Posted by: Green Base at December 10, 2012 01:18 PM (LpQbZ)

184 What's the next problem that needs a solution, Jarrett?

Posted by: King Shit Midas at December 10, 2012 01:19 PM (QKKT0)

185 What are the connections that the little company picking off the DoD has?

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 01:19 PM (a9Izx)

186 Angry at the media for focusing on the wrong damn things? Oh hell yes.Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:17 PM (4df7R)So, reason number 347,589 to be angry with the media. Today. I'm down with that. Let them burn.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:20 PM (1Y+hH)

187 It is when it's treated like a newsworthy statistic,
with the scare quotes to imply that there are many more out there who
are doing the same thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:15 PM (4df7R)


It wouldn't surprise me one minute to learn that we are being played. What do you bet that these NFL'ers turning in their guns have done so at the direction of the league, and strictly as a (false) show of concern, to make it look like they care?Those guys make a lot of money; it's no skin off their ass to turn in a few guns for destruction (keeping one or two good ones, of course) and get the "sensitivity" cred. Once the incident has fallen off the front pages, they can trot on down to their local gun shop, and buy as many as they want. Smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2012 01:20 PM (29+x5)

188 Granted, most of that week is spent trying to get to 70mph.

They only answer I need to see in a utility vehicle's 0-60 spec is "yes".

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 01:21 PM (cHr8a)

189 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:12 PM (b3IgE)

tsr, as far as I know the $7500 taxpayer subsidized tax credit for buying the Volt is still intact.

Okay I looked it up. The tax credit is on the first 200k Volts sold; after that there is some kind of phase out schedule. But not to worry -- they've only sold around 25k Volts EVER so that albatross will be with us for years to come.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:21 PM (ccXZP)

190 Yep, next odd noise they hear in the middle of the night and it'll be back to gun shop....

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:22 PM (1Y+hH)

191 DoD business, above

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 01:22 PM (a9Izx)

192 100 Ya notice the Chicoms want no part of the Chevy Volt?

---

They already know how to make a BBQ pit for less than $40K.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 10, 2012 01:22 PM (e0xKF)

193 I need gift advice.

My future SIL likes sci-fi and I don't, so I know little about it.

I'm giving him a gift car but would also like to give him something that he can unwrap. Something less than $50.

Any advice?

That Firefly that I hear you folks talking about from time to time, what do you think of that?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:23 PM (piMMO)

194 They only answer I need to see in a utility vehicle's 0-60 spec is "yes".


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 01:21 PM (cHr8a)


So you're the asshole doing 40mph up the on ramp to I-95.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:23 PM (da5Wo)

195 so that albatross will be with us for years to come.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:21 PM (ccXZP)


Because I'm here to help damn it!

Posted by: gubmint at December 10, 2012 01:24 PM (UZQM8)

196



Ace, you may want to educate yourself on trade issues

Also, I would like to blog here next week if you still have slots.


Posted by: Immigrant in CA at December 10, 2012 12:34 PM (CQFnm)


have you thought this through?

Posted by: Occupy Green at December 10, 2012 01:24 PM (LpQbZ)

197 Here in SanFran, I have always appreciated the Orientals - they do such a good job with my laundry. I'm glad we have been able to take the liability that is A123 and sell it to the Orientals. I am certain that that very fine company created much value with the aid of the government. This is exactly what we should be doing more of. Because you know, manufacturing here creates too much carbon, whereas in China, their polution will not effect the earth, because they are more responsible than we are with their love of the workers and all.

Posted by: San Fran Nan at December 10, 2012 01:24 PM (UhXzR)

198
That Firefly that I hear you folks talking about from time to time, what do you think of that?

----

Get him a Jayne hat.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2012 01:25 PM (nELVU)

199 Well here in NJ, that only involves driving up to a pump and saying to the guy: gas please


Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:15 PM


Thats always a riot when out of state people come for a visit. I had a friend from chicago come out and I stopped to get gas. I shut the car off and was sitting there and she asks "whats up, are you going to get gas?" I said yeah why? The dude comes up and I tell him to fill it. I turn to her and said "out here we have servants". lol

Posted by: Berserker at December 10, 2012 01:25 PM (FMbng)

200
Yu supit Yankee! You tink we take it up ass fo'evah?
Fuch yuu! We buy all yu shit and tuln arr of yu into sraves. Espelciary Jamie Foxx. Notice how he don't dale shoot Asians?

We make him srave rast.

Posted by: Red China at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (wUFaM)

201 That Firefly that I hear you folks talking about from time to time, what do you think of that?

----

Get him a Jayne hat.


*****

I just looked it up.

Uh, no!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (piMMO)

202 That Firefly that I hear you folks talking about from time to time, what do you think of that?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:23 PM (piMMO)


Yes. Yes, I think that would be a worthy choice. You might want to check and make sure she doesn't have it already; it's virtually a sci-fi geek staple.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (4df7R)

203 NDH, Son-i -law, so no alien boobehs

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (a9Izx)

204 My future SIL likes sci-fi and I don't, so I know little about it.



I'm giving him a gift car but would also like to give him something that he can unwrap. Something less than $50.




Hit up ebay. You can get the entire Babylon 5 series for under $50.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (da5Wo)

205 turn it to electricity via turbines, send that through the wires

I've read that PoCo line losses from power plant to the xformer that serves a customer are in the 10+% range.

They run the smallest wire they can get away with to reduce initial installation cost, and run it scorching hot. Power companies make their own rules. They don't need to abide by the NEC.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (cHr8a)

206 I just looked it up. Uh, no!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (piMMO)


For a sci-fi fan, it would RULE!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:26 PM (4df7R)

207 Angry at the media for focusing on the wrong damn things? Oh hell yes.

On that... Did Bob Costas wax eloquent on the "drunk driving culture" on last night's game?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:27 PM (5DR1j)

208 NDH, an Eve setup. Keep him pinned at home.

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 01:27 PM (a9Izx)

209 I was surprised to find out that the A123 worker were not unionized.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:28 PM (ccXZP)

210 Hit up ebay. You can get the entire Babylon 5 series for under $50.

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I wonder what he would be less likely t have on Blu-ray, Firefly or Babylon 5.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (piMMO)

211 On that... Did Bob Costas wax eloquent on the "drunk driving culture" on last night's game?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:27 PM (5DR1j)

Ah, good question. I wanted to check that out just to see if he'd put his foot deeper in the shit pile. But I skipped the game entirely in favor of watching unsubtitled Japanese variety shows, because that's how I roll.

Did anyone watch?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (4df7R)

212 Hit up ebay. You can get the entire Babylon 5 series for under $50.

This. B5 may be the best Sci-Fi series of its era.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (5DR1j)

213
We convert plant to vibrator battery. Easier to screw you with.

Posted by: Long Dang Wong at December 10, 2012 01:30 PM (n/ubI)

214 Did Bob Costas wax eloquent on the "drunk driving culture" on last night's game?

In the Budweiser Halftime Report? Lol.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 01:30 PM (/kI1Q)

215 I wonder what he would be less likely t have on Blu-ray, Firefly or Babylon 5.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (piMMO)


I don't think B5 is even available on Blu-Ray; at least not yet.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:30 PM (4df7R)

216 So you're the asshole doing 40mph up the on ramp to I-95.

Actually, the TDI is pretty good at that. Much better than small Toyotas and Hondas. It doesn't have an insanely high 5th gear to try and game the highway MPG numbers the way other manufacturers do.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (cHr8a)

217 I wonder what he would be less likely t have on Blu-ray, Firefly or Babylon 5.

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Babylon 5, as I don't think it has been converted to Blu yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (e0xKF)

218 I wonder what he would be less likely t have on Blu-ray, Firefly or Babylon 5.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (piMMO)


Prob, B5. It was 5 full seasons, plus some movies. Firefly was 1 season and 1 movie.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (da5Wo)

219 I wonder what he would be less likely t have on Blu-ray, Firefly or Babylon 5.

If he's younger than about 30, he's less likely to have B5. In fact, he's less likely (sadly) to have heard of B5. If that's the case, you'll also want to warn him: "You put up with season one to set up the rest of the series."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (5DR1j)

220 Be wary NDH. Not all Sci-Fi fans like all Sci-Fi. There are wildy different "Universes" in Sci-Fi that don't appeal to all fans.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (KXm42)

221
Drudge had a link about the Chinese going shopping. They just bought a controlling interest in the second largest airplane leasing company in the world - AIG's plane leasing unit for $4.23 billion. Largest purchase by a Chinese financial group of an American company.
Posted by: Penfold at December 10, 2012 12:38 PM (Fbt5B)
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OTTAWA -- With Chinese government-owned CNOOC getting the thumbs-up to buy its way into the oilsands, the feds are raising hopes that the Chinese economy will become more open to private Canadian investment.

"The Chinese government said to our government that they are seeking, of course, a win-win outcome," Industry Minister Christian Paradis told Sun News Network on Saturday. "We believe they will have a pragmatic approach and this is what we want."

Late Friday, the feds approved CNOOC's $15.1 billion bid to buy out Canadian oil company Nexen, along with Malaysian state-owned Petronas's takeover of natural gas player Progress Energy.


sun news

Posted by: Occupy Green at December 10, 2012 01:32 PM (LpQbZ)

222 In the Budweiser Halftime Report? Lol.

Well, he was so moved to address the prior week's tragedy. I just figured he'd certainly be consistent enough to do the same this week. Right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:32 PM (5DR1j)

223 In the Budweiser Halftime Report? Lol.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 01:30 PM (/kI1Q)


Hey, at least it would have finally gotten him fired!

Hank Williams, Jr - fired for saying "not nice" things about Obama in his free time.

Bob Costas - Still working despite preaching leftist drivel on prime time television while representing his employer.

No, there's no leftist bias in the media. Why do you ask?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:32 PM (4df7R)

224 This. B5 may be the best Sci-Fi series of its era.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:29 PM (5DR1j)

I enjoyed B5 but I think I was more partial to Farscape personally. Dunno why.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:32 PM (b3IgE)

225 NDH, I also am a Farscape fan. And that is on blu-ray.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:33 PM (da5Wo)

226 I rented a Hyundai Elantra recently. On the highway I was getting 40-42 MPG according to the onboard computer. It costs $20K. Why in the world anyone would pay $40K for a DOLT is beyond me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (HDgX3)

227 I enjoyed B5 but I think I was more partial to Farscape personally. Dunno why.

RINO!!

No, Farscape was fine, but didn't it come on some years after B5 wrapped up? That's why I said "of it's era." It was far superior, IMO, to any of the Star Drek that was on at the time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (5DR1j)

228 I need gift advice. My future SIL likes sci-fi and I don't, so I know little about it. I'm giving him a gift car
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:23 PM (piMMO)

Man! I wished my f-i-l would have given me a car!
Batmobile. You can't go wrong giving him the Batmobile.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (zji3t)

229 Thanks guys, you've given me great advice,, so now I just need to pick something.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (piMMO)

230 If he's younger than about 30, he's less likely to have B5. In fact, he's less likely (sadly) to have heard of B5. If that's the case, you'll also want to warn him: "You put up with season one to set up the rest of the series."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:31 PM (5DR1j)


lol! You beat me to it, AllenG! I was just going to comment, "Go for B5 if you can, even though watching S1 is like having a root canal while pouring bleach in your eyes for the entire season."

When Boxleitner showed up as Sheridan it went from boring as hell to damn near perfect.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:35 PM (4df7R)

231 The Chicoms took our dates!

Posted by: Flounder at December 10, 2012 01:35 PM (QKKT0)

232 Hey, this year's Nobel Peace Prize went to.......the EU. Seriously. This is big news. Really important stuff. Heh.

Posted by: brak at December 10, 2012 01:35 PM (M2qTM)

233 Why in the world anyone would pay $40K for a DOLT is beyond me.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (HDgX3)

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Becasue....... SHUT UP THAT'S WHY!!!!......

Posted by: Teamsters, ALF-CIO in support of the UAW. at December 10, 2012 01:35 PM (nELVU)

234

Yes, Mr. Costas, let's compare gun deaths to drunk driving deaths annually.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:36 PM (1Y+hH)

235 Why in the world anyone would pay $40K for a DOLT is beyond me.




Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (HDgX3)


Hey, quit ragging on GM. We paid off all our government loans, with interest!

Posted by: Ed Whiteacre at December 10, 2012 01:37 PM (QKKT0)

236 I've heard that Obama is doing an exploratory on how to repeal the amendment that will allow him to serve a 3rd term.

Anyone else heard that?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 01:37 PM (UK9cE)

237 This is not unexpected.

China has a lot of political prisonersthat need car batteries hooked up to their genitals.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 01:37 PM (m2CN7)

238
Why in the world anyone would pay $40K for a DOLT is beyond me.



You buy themso you can sneer in disapproval at Prius drivers.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:38 PM (1Y+hH)

239 When Boxleitner showed up as Sheridan it went from boring as hell to damn near perfect.

And the switch from the prior captain to Sheridan after just one season was planned. As in: from the beginning.

Actually, that's why it so important to put up with Season One, even though the show had no budget, no writers, etc., etc. It sets up everything else, and does it beautifully.

Also, in Purple, I look stunning.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:39 PM (5DR1j)

240 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:34 PM (5DR1j)

Define "era"

B5 and Farscape basically butted right up to each other (94-99 and 99-03 respectively).

I guess you could argue that's a new era or SciFi? Me I came to both of them after they were already over so "eras" don't mean much to me.

But yeah, B5's nifty and fairly inexpensive.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 10, 2012 01:39 PM (b3IgE)

241 I've heard that Obama is doing an exploratory on how to repeal the amendment that will allow him to serve a 3rd term.

Anyone else heard that?


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Meh.... non story.


He just ignores all the other amendments..... why to go all the hassle to repeal just THAT one.

Posted by: fixerupper at December 10, 2012 01:40 PM (nELVU)

242 Peter King is an overrated windbag, who is still living off the vapors of his Parcells connections in his early Giants glory days.

Besides who gives a flying bumride what NFL players do anywhere but on the field anyway.

They are all in a self involved boys club that only know which way the wind is blowin' when they open their yaps.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 01:40 PM (aZ6ew)

243 I've heard that Obama is doing an exploratory on how to repeal the amendment that will allow him to serve a 3rd term.

Anyone else heard that?

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My guess is that Mooch will run in 2016, Hillary! will become racist again, and Barack can take up golf full time.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 10, 2012 01:40 PM (Hx5uv)

244 We need a Helen Thomas appreciation thread

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:40 PM (uFY4s)

245 B5 and Farscape basically butted right up to each other (94-99 and 99-03 respectively).

No, those would be close enough that they both count, I'd think. I just thought Farscape started about the time it apparently ended. I didn't watch any of it until '05 myself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:41 PM (5DR1j)

246 Yes, Mr. Costas, let's compare gun deaths to drunk driving deaths annually.

Better yet compare gun deaths, drunk driving deaths, and death by medical mistake.

Posted by: cicero skip at December 10, 2012 01:41 PM (3m9Uc)

247 Finally another human being... I think
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You are new here aren't you? Lace wigs is all I will say.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:41 PM (Sz+px)

248 243
Mooch mooch diabolique, ma new ne pas un place public

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:41 PM (uFY4s)

249 It makes sense to buy a company like that. At pennies on the dollar.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 01:41 PM (7vSU0)

250 Average income of a DOLT driver: $170,000 a year.
These are the people getting $7500 tax credits from the govt.
Whenever a libtard starts talking about rich evil (white) people not paying their fair share, mention this little tidbit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:42 PM (HDgX3)

251 I've heard that Obama is doing an exploratory on how to repeal the amendment that will allow him to serve a 3rd term.

Anyone else heard that?
Posted by: © Sponge


No. Stop spreading rumors.

And the chance of overturning the 22th Amendment?

0.00%

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2012 01:42 PM (08zV/)

252

I'm worried that all this joking around is going to make that mad as hell guy, like, really mad.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:42 PM (1Y+hH)

253 246 one of those is not like the others

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:43 PM (uFY4s)

254 We need a Helen Thomas appreciation thread
Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:40 PM (uFY4s)

And her twin sister madaline albright

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:43 PM (79ueO)

255 Lace wigs is all I will say.

fuckin' window shoppers, they talk about lace wigs but do they ever BUY any? noooooooooo

Posted by: angry lace wigs at December 10, 2012 01:43 PM (m/eXi)

256 I've heard that Obama is doing an exploratory on how to repeal the amendment that will allow him to serve a 3rd term.

Anyone else heard that?

__________________________-

Pretty straight forward. Get another amendment passed that nullifies the 22nd. Chance of that happening: about the same as the chance of Boehner NOT caving to Obama on taxes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:43 PM (HDgX3)

257 As for the Chinese buying A123, it probably makes sense for them. As was already said, they'll likely insource the production line where they don't have to worry about things like the American minimum wage, 40 hour work week, overtime, the EPA, the SEC, etc., etc.

Expect the price of their batteries to plummet.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:44 PM (5DR1j)

258 Moochers would become fatter quite quickly

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:44 PM (uFY4s)

259 I'm worried that all this joking around is going to make that mad as hell guy, like, really mad.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:42 PM (1Y+hH)


Can't have that, now can we...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:44 PM (da5Wo)

260
Yes, Mr. Costas, let's compare gun deaths to drunk driving deaths annually.

Better yet compare gun deaths, drunk driving deaths, and death by medical mistake.


And then we can start in on comparing gun injuries to drunk driving and medical injuries.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 10, 2012 01:44 PM (1Y+hH)

261 When 'take your daughter to work' day goes, ummm, wrong.

http://tinyurl.com/b6vqhcm

Posted by: RWC at December 10, 2012 01:45 PM (fWAjv)

262 does this have anything to do with that rare earth issue with the chi-coms several months ago ? They were seriously over-producing and bringing down the price so US companies could not compete. And since the watermelons have gotten control of our government some decades ago, us mining for it is not going to happen when the price is so low, regulations alone drive up the price way past current market.

Posted by: cu'chulainn at December 10, 2012 01:46 PM (Vk2CC)

263 I probably watched about 10 total minutes of the game, simply because there's only so many reruns of Storage Wars I can watch.

Any time they mentioned the word Costas, I changed the channel.

I cannot tell you what the hobbit said during pregame, halftime or post game.

He can be the victim of auto-erotic asphyxiation anytime now.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 01:46 PM (UK9cE)

264 256 or about as likely as Nebraska legalizing sodomitic marriage

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:47 PM (uFY4s)

265 Okay, I sense a sci-fi/space opera vibe going on.

Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:47 PM (Sz+px)

266 264
256 or about as likely as Nebraska legalizing sodomitic marriage

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:47 PM (uFY4s)

____________________
Soooo, you're saying there's a chance?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 01:48 PM (HDgX3)

267 I enjoyed B5 but I think I was more partial to Farscape personally. Dunno why.

I love them both dearly. You just have to take them for what they are -- very different animals that really only share one thing in common: space. "Farscape" was much more reminiscent of "Star Wars," IMO, since it followed the crazy-dangerous adventures of a bunch of rebellious captives as they took on the might of an oppressive authoritarian regime.B5, on the other hand,was more similar to "Star Trek" in setting and character, since it followed the exploits of a hierarchical group of military officers/diplomats as they tried to negotiate the future of the universe from their base on Babylon 5.

I will say, for the uninitiated, that my brother-in-law, who's never been much of a sci-fi fan, unwillingly sat down to watch "Farscape" with our family last Christmas after my sister and I gave my father the whole series on DVD. BIL ended up watching the whole series in a weekend, then bought it for himself as soon as he and my sister got back home to PA. Instant fan.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:48 PM (4df7R)

268 We need a new thread

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:48 PM (uFY4s)

269 No

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:49 PM (uFY4s)

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:50 PM (uFY4s)

271 Old and Busted: New Threads

New and Hawt: Old, stale, stinky threads

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 01:51 PM (UK9cE)

272 Belgium Raises Terror Alert In Response To New Anti-Islam Video…



Innocence of Muslims Part II: Return of The Rampaging Mobs

Weasel Zippers.

Gives the muslims something to do

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 01:51 PM (79ueO)

273 The thread just died, didn't it

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:51 PM (uFY4s)

274 Anybody else read that WWII story in the sidebar about the pilots? Shit, I can't believe the amount of dust in the air making my eyes water, but that was the classiest damned tale I've read in a long time.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2012 01:52 PM (FcR7P)

275 MWR, this should satiate your 'Farscape' craving. The old BBC series 'Blake's 7.'

http://youtu.be/nMjYChwuqMI

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:52 PM (Sz+px)

276 272 we should make a video and mass advertise it

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 01:52 PM (uFY4s)

277 Brother Cavil's Journal. December 10th, 2012: Cat macros in inbox this morning, minivac on fuzzy stomach. This Internet is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The forums are extended gutters and the gutters are full of spam and when the ports finally scab over, all the trolls will drown. The accumulated filth of all their pr0n and bad grammar will foam up about their waists and all the bots and posters will look up and shout "New thread plz!"... and I'll whisper "no."

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 01:52 PM (GBXon)

278 At least Costas won't be on tonight's game. Its been a while since I've looked forward to Monday Night Football.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

279 I was surprised to find out that the A123 worker were not unionized.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 01:28 PM (ccXZP)
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That's why the company is being sold outright and not bailed out again.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 10, 2012 01:53 PM (RSqz2)

280 Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:47 PM (Sz+px)


No love for the BSG Vipers?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 01:53 PM (4df7R)

281 Also, in Purple, I look stunning.

Just my luck. I get stuck with a race that speaks only in macros.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 01:53 PM (/kI1Q)

282 277 Brother Cavil's Journal. December 10th, 2012: Cat macros in inbox this morning, minivac on fuzzy stomach. This Internet is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The forums are extended gutters and the gutters are full of spam and when the ports finally scab over, all the trolls will drown. The accumulated filth of all their pr0n and bad grammar will foam up about their waists and all the bots and posters will look up and shout "New thread plz!"... and I'll whisper "no."

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 01:52 PM (GBXon)

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No new thread?

FRACK! *blam*

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (e0xKF)

283 Anybody smell anything funny?

Posted by: Squishy the road skunk at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (KXm42)

284 No love for the BSG Vipers?

Deathmatch, Old Vipers vs new Vipers.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (GBXon)

285 Picture me naked and vulnerable

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (uFY4s)

286 MWR, original BSG Vipers maybe. Neu BSG? Nein.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (Sz+px)

287 Picture me in the shower

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:55 PM (uFY4s)

288 285 Picture me naked and vulnerable

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EYEBLEACH STAT!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 10, 2012 01:55 PM (e0xKF)

289
286
MWR, original BSG Vipers maybe. Neu BSG? Nein.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (Sz+px)



Nerd girl fight?

*grabs popcorn and pulls up chair*

I can get some jello or a bunch of ky if y'all want.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 01:56 PM (da5Wo)

290 Picture me coming out of the shower, the crisp air causing my nipples to become erect

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:56 PM (uFY4s)

291 >>>That Firefly that I hear you folks talking about from time to time, what do you think of that?

Firefly is Sci-Fi Western. No joke. The styles clothes and weapons are based off of the late 1800 Old West appearances. As far as plot lines go the protagonists are essentially wandering spacefarers in a medium sized, antiquated, cargo ship going from location to location trying to make enough money to get by, taking about any job licit or illicit they think they can pull off.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

292 Does that picture give you anything.

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:57 PM (uFY4s)

293 "helen thomas" is like an internet hair shirt.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2012 01:57 PM (KXm42)

294 Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings.

I don't think you can compare them. If I had to, though, it would come down to a question of Star Furies v X-Wings.

The TIE Fighter was not as good as the X-Wing. No faster, less punch, no shields, only a little more maneuverable.

Compared to the Star Fury... there's no comparison. The Fury has as good, if not better maneuverability, maybe slightly less speed (about equivalent to that of the X-Wing, say), better armor/shields, and better punch (able to knock out capital ships along the lines of the SW fighter-bombers).

When you get to the question of Star Fury v X-Wing, though, it's a different animal. Both are about equally speedy, and the Star Fury has better maneuverability and more punch. The X-Wing has it's own hyperspace capability. If the pilot has the guts, he can do micro-jumps that allow him to really change the nature of the fight. X-Wing proton torpedoes are homing-style missiles, and the missile (I can't remember what it's called) that the Star Fury used was not, or, at least, was depicted as much less maneuverable than a proton torpedo.

In the end, I think the Star Fury comes out on top, though. The fact it uses real space physics (sort of) where thrust != motion gives it such a maneuverability advantage that I don't think, in the actual dogfight, the X-Wing can keep up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 01:58 PM (5DR1j)

295
Since Michigan is going 'right to work', the Chicoms don't have to unionize.

Won! Won!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 10, 2012 01:58 PM (hq+RW)

296 "helen thomas" is like an internet hair shirt.

Digital ipecac.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 01:58 PM (/kI1Q)

297 Picture me being the object of the next thread, and having every young lad sock me

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:59 PM (uFY4s)

298 >>Picture me in the shower

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:55 PM (uFY4s)


Make that a meteor shower and I'll adjust the shutter speed on my camera.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 01:59 PM (aZ6ew)

299 >>>The TIE Fighter was not as good as the X-Wing. No faster, less punch, no shields, only a little more maneuverable.

Cheap. Expendable. The values of the TIE Fighter.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 02:00 PM (0q2P7)

300 With the reference to Helen Thomas' nipples, we hereby announce that this thread is officially closed.

Posted by: The AoSHQ Health and Safety Dept. at December 10, 2012 02:00 PM (QKKT0)

301 Cheap. Expendable. The values of the TIE Fighter.

Correct. That discussion gets more interesting if you look at the TIE Interceptor instead of the TIE Fighter.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 02:01 PM (5DR1j)

302 Does that picture give you anything.
Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 01:57 PM (uFY4s)


YOU BEEN HERE FOUR HOUR... YOU GO NOW, UGLY YANKEE IMPERIAL FASCIST DOG!!

BRAIN BREECH... NEED BRAIN BREECH!!!

Posted by: Long Duc Dong at December 10, 2012 02:01 PM (Jls4P)

303 299 indeed

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 02:01 PM (uFY4s)

304 What is with this HT fetish? Whyfor dost thou speak of that unwelcoming chasm called her face? Better to have bathed in sulfuric acid than contemplate that horror.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (Sz+px)

305 Those aren't nipples it's well managed psoriasis.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (aZ6ew)

306 278
At least Costas won't be on tonight's game. Its been a while since I've looked forward to Monday Night Football.

Posted by: polynikes at December 10, 2012 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

_________________
Which rapists/killers are playing tonight?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (HDgX3)

307 11 days til the end of the world. Anyone know any good short-term investments?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (QKKT0)

308
307
11 days til the end of the world. Anyone know any good short-term investments?


Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (QKKT0)


Sex

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

309 I want a Chinese dong in me

Posted by: helen thomas at December 10, 2012 02:04 PM (uFY4s)

310 >>>Correct. That discussion gets more interesting if you look at the TIE Interceptor instead of the TIE Fighter.

Well the additional two guns is nice. But the resulting offset induced by mounting them on the solar panels increases your misses effectively negating the advantage of having two more guns.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 02:04 PM (0q2P7)

311 I think AllenG has spent far too much time on the whole debate of various space fighters. So what is his opinion of the classic Vipers vs the new Vipers?

BCochran, you are always up for a nerd grrl fight it seems. How about you jump into the ring??

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:04 PM (Sz+px)

312 305 Those aren't nipples it's well managed psoriasis.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (aZ6ew)


OUCH!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 02:04 PM (XkWWK)

313 >>Better to have bathed in sulfuric acid than contemplate that horror.



That's exactly how Helen manages.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 02:05 PM (aZ6ew)

314 11 days til the end of the world. Anyone know any good short-term investments?




Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (QKKT0)

Sex


Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 02:03 PM (da5Wo)

I mean an investment where I don't have to wash the sheets afterward.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:05 PM (QKKT0)

315 Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings.

I don't think you can compare them. If I had to, though, it would come down to a question of Star Furies v X-Wings.

The TIE Fighter was not as good as the X-Wing. No faster, less punch, no shields, only a little more maneuverable....


***

OMG!

What have I begun?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (piMMO)

316 I have come for the thread. Pay me muthafuckers.

Posted by: Charon at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (cHr8a)

317 BTW, if your plans include bush over the holidays, don't use Apple maps.

http://tinyurl.com/cc6aye6

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (QKKT0)

318 11 days til the end of the world. Anyone know any good short-term investments?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 10, 2012 02:02 PM (QKKT0)

Scotch and Bourbon. And with the world ending in 11 I think you can forget about washing the sheets

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (79ueO)

319 Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings.
TIE-Fighter or X-wing any day. The Empire measures its weapon systems in the megaton/gigaton range, and has superior acceleration.

Posted by: Alex at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (3x3F6)

320 >>11 days til the end of the world. Anyone know any good short-term investments?


Mayan Calenders have a short maturity.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (aZ6ew)

321 MWR, original BSG Vipers maybe. Neu BSG? Nein.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (Sz+px)


I've got one that will smoke them all. Ready?

Millenium Falcon.

BOOM.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (4df7R)

322 Well the additional two guns is nice. But the resulting offset induced
by mounting them on the solar panels increases your misses effectively
negating the advantage of having two more guns.


It's also got more speed, better armor, and yet better maneuverability than the Fighter. Ultimately, I still think it is marginally inferior to the Star Fury, but it's about the equal of an X-Wing.

So what is his opinion of the classic Vipers vs the new Vipers?

If there were ever a clearer case of "it comes down to the pilot" I can't think of one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 02:07 PM (5DR1j)

323 304 only sulfuric... wimp. Try hydrogen peroxide

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 02:07 PM (uFY4s)

324 Millenium Falcon?!?

That hunk of junk?!? You're braver than I thought.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:07 PM (Sz+px)

325 EU condemns Hamas statements, Israeli construction plans By JPOST.COM STAFF12/10/2012 21:00EU denounces as "unacceptable" recent statements by Hamas leaders "that deny Israel’s right to exist," says plans to develop E1 area of J'lem would "seriously undermine the prospects of a negotiated resolution of the conflict."

?????
One side wants the other dead and deader and the other wants to build bedrooms and the EU thinks they are equivalent? Go figure

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 10, 2012 02:08 PM (79ueO)

326 It did the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs.

Posted by: Han Solo at December 10, 2012 02:09 PM (QKKT0)

327 The TIE Fighter was not as good as the X-Wing. No faster, less punch, no shields, only a little more maneuverable....

I never understood the TIE Fighter. I just LOOKS like a bad design. It always struck me as the kind of ship that, if it were hurtling through the atmosphere on a collision course with the ground, would tumble wildly out of control and have no ability to glide whatsoever. I don' tthink an X-Wing would be much better, but at least there'd be more bulkhead around you to protect your body from being crushed to jelly. Or else it would crush you to jelly more effectively, being heavier.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 02:09 PM (4df7R)

328 The Empire measures its weapon systems in the megaton/gigaton range, and has superior acceleration.


Only for capital ships. Sure, a Star Destroyer (or, on the Alliance side, a Mon Cal cruiser) can depopulate a world, but so can the B5 capital ships.

On the other hand, Star Furies take down cap ships almost as a matter of routine in B5, where Star Wars describes such tactics as "suicide" on more than one occasion.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (5DR1j)

329 321
MWR, original BSG Vipers maybe. Neu BSG? Nein.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 01:54 PM (Sz+px)



I've got one that will smoke them all. Ready?



Millenium Falcon.



BOOM.


One better - USS Defiant

Posted by: Long Duc Dong at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (Jls4P)

330 They bought it for their technorogy.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (VndSC)

331 Star Furies vs TiE-Fighters vs X-Wings

An Ancient's "jumper" from SG-Atlantis kicks all their asses...cuz it has Ancient weapons and cloaking, End of discussion.

Posted by: Charon at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (cHr8a)

332 OMG!



What have I begun?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 02:06 PM (piMMO)



buahhahAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

Weren't expecting this were you?

Posted by: The Mayans at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (da5Wo)

333 Millenium Falcon?!?That hunk of junk?!? You're braver than I thought.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:07 PM (Sz+px)


That baby's got a few surprises left in her, sweetheart.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (4df7R)

334 321 its a Damn cargo ship with good speed

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 02:11 PM (uFY4s)

335 I can't tell if my tired head is from lunch or this discussion about X-Wings and bow tie pasta.......

Posted by: © Sponge at December 10, 2012 02:12 PM (UK9cE)

336 She,'ll make. 5 past light speed...she may not look like much but she's got it where it counts...ive made a lot of special modifications myself. (The Falcon...not Helen Thomas)

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 10, 2012 02:12 PM (Dk/AO)

337 326 that makes no sense. Parsec is distant e

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 02:12 PM (uFY4s)

338 Alex, of course it makes no sense. George Lucas wrote it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:13 PM (Sz+px)

339 I never understood the TIE Fighter. I just LOOKS like a bad design. It
always struck me as the kind of ship that, if it were hurtling through
the atmosphere on a collision course with the ground, would tumble
wildly out of control and have no ability to glide whatsoever.


Repulsorlifts!

Remember that, really, the TIE was designed to look "iconic." Also, Lucas's ILM team was designing them for space-only combat. They didn't bother to consider "hey, what would this thing do in atmosphere?" When they did... "Repulsorlifts!"

Though the books actually make note of the fact that an X-Wing is far superior in atmosphere to a TIE of any variety.

The only Sci-Fi that I recall put any thought into "How would this operate in atmosphere" was, somewhat ironically, BSG.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 02:13 PM (5DR1j)

340 334 321 its a Damn cargo ship with good speed

Posted by: alex at December 10, 2012 02:11 PM (uFY4s)

And guns, and missles, and one angry Wookie.

Posted by: KG at December 10, 2012 02:13 PM (p7BzH)

341 And guns, and missles, and one angry Wookie.
-----------
I am not sure which is more scary, the weapons or Michelle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:15 PM (Sz+px)

342 An Ancient's "jumper" from SG-Atlantis kicks all their asses...cuz it has Ancient weapons and cloaking, End of discussion.
Posted by: Charon at December 10, 2012 02:10 PM (cHr8a)


Point.

Though I'd prefer an Asgard ship, preferably with my own personal Thor at the helm. Love that little guy to death.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 02:15 PM (4df7R)

343 B5 was theee shit. If we ran the war on terror the way they ran their wars islam would end up being some unused word seen scratched on some asteroid somewhere.

Posted by: Berserker at December 10, 2012 02:15 PM (FMbng)

344 And guns, and missles, and one angry Wookie.
Posted by: KG at December 10, 2012 02:13 PM (p7BzH)


Let the wookie win.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 02:16 PM (4df7R)

345 Joe Scarborough thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 10, 2012 02:16 PM (piMMO)

346 326 that makes no sense. Parsec is distant e

Other writers were upset enough about that, they ret-conned an explanation. Apparently, Kessel is next-door neighbors (in cosmological terms) to a "maw" of Black Holes.

Completing the run in 12 parsecs referred to being fast enough to skirt the maw without getting pulled in.

Of course, George Lucas used the term because it sounded cool, and most people watching the movie don't know that "parsec" is a distance, not a duration.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 02:16 PM (5DR1j)

347 All those star fighters aren't worth a crap if they still use that 19th century technology to aim and target their laser weapons. You think they'd hit more than 0.01% of their shots.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2012 02:17 PM (VndSC)

348 >>>I never understood the TIE Fighter. I just LOOKS like a bad design.

The original TIE was a designed like the Japanese Zero. Not tremendously fast, nor affording much in the way of defense but affording an extremely high rate of fire (No shields to use up power that could be used for guns) and maneuverability in close quarters.

So line up on your target using your centerline mounted guns and rip into them hard and fast and burn through their shields before they know what is going wrong.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 10, 2012 02:17 PM (0q2P7)

349 Question for the sci fi experts....am I wrong that there were little to no personal fighters developed in the Star Trek universe? All I can remember is ships going toe to toe. Any explanation?

Posted by: The Mayans at December 10, 2012 02:19 PM (da5Wo)

350 What is even worse about X-Wings, TiE-Fighters, and the Death Star is watching 'The Dambusters' and realize how Lucas raped the whole last part of that movie for his climatic battle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:19 PM (Sz+px)

351 >>All I can remember is ships going toe to toe. Any explanation?

The special effects budget got cut after year 1 and again after year 2.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2012 02:20 PM (VndSC)

352 Reason for nothing but shuttles in Star Trek. One word - budget!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:20 PM (Sz+px)

353 Only for capital ships. Sure, a Star Destroyer (or, on the Alliance side, a Mon Cal cruiser) can depopulate a world, but so can the B5 capital ships.On the other hand, Star Furies take down cap ships almost as a matter of routine in B5, where Star Wars describes such tactics as "suicide" on more than one occasion.
B5 needed mass drivers to depopulate a world, or a large fleet of ships. A lone star destroyer is enough in SW to do the job. We're talking orders of magnitude more power for conventional weaponry.
The ability of starfuries to take down capital ships is less a testament to their ability than it is a condemnation of B5 shipbuilding. The younger races ships are all pretty fragile.

Posted by: Alex at December 10, 2012 02:22 PM (3x3F6)

354
352
Reason for nothing but shuttles in Star Trek. One word - budget!


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:20 PM (Sz+px)


In every instance? I mean, Star Trek, TNG, DS9, Voyager, the movies.....

Cheap every single time?

Posted by: The Mayans at December 10, 2012 02:23 PM (da5Wo)

355 SOB.


Apocalyptic sock off

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 02:24 PM (da5Wo)

356 Closest Star Trek came to fielding space fighters is USS Defiant. And its more a corvette than a fighter. It just became part of the unwritten canon of Star Trek, no fighters. And the only time you saw anything besides a shuttle like the Galileo 7 was in the animated series where Enterprise deployed an aqua-shuttle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:25 PM (Sz+px)

357 Even in the 23rd century, "bigger is better".

That's why NASA needs a Death Star.

Posted by: Roy at December 10, 2012 02:27 PM (VndSC)

358 Question for the sci fi experts....am I wrong that there were little to no personal fighters developed in the Star Trek universe? All I can remember is ships going toe to toe. Any explanation?
There aren't until later seasons of DS9. The best explanation that I've heard is that small fighters don't have the range or warp speed capability to be effective in the small ship to ship engagements and only became useful during the pitched battles of the Dominion War. The other part is the the Federation's philosophy seemed to be uncomfortable with any "militarism". In an episode of TNG, where the crew lose their memories, Worf immediately classifies the Enterprise as a 'battleship', something that he had never done before. It suggests that there is a cultural aversion to overt military symbolism or functions. Instead they have to be cloaked in the guise of exploration and diplomacy.

Posted by: Alex at December 10, 2012 02:27 PM (3x3F6)

359 In the Star Trek novels, Diane Carey actually wrote about Star Fleet fighters. In the novel 'Dreadnought!' by her, she wrote about Tycho class light intercept and the Arco class attack sled.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 10, 2012 02:30 PM (Sz+px)

360


Alberta Oil Peon,

http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large _automotive_NiMH_batteries

Um, it's no conspiracy.

Posted by: imp at December 10, 2012 03:02 PM (UaxA0)

361 The Chinese are busy buying US property.

They plan to invade the easy way; they're going to buy us.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at December 10, 2012 03:28 PM (3E2th)

362
Plinkett's review of Titanic is frickin' hilarious. Yet relatively gentle with that cocksucker Cameron, which I find to be incredibly disappointing.

But he still makes it a point to rhetorically dork George Lucas up the squeekhole, so we have that going for us.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 10, 2012 03:35 PM (TIIx5)

363
358Question for the sci fi experts....am I wrong that there were little to no personal fighters developed in the Star Trek universe? All I can remember is ships going toe to toe. Any explanation?
There aren't until later seasons of DS9.
-------------------------

iirc, in part two of "The Best of Both Worlds" (the episodes in which the Borg kidnap Picard), a handful of small craft streak toward the Borg cube approaching Earth, and said cube promptly blows them up with a single shot to each craft. The craft in question were never identified onscreen (beyond some comment by Riker about the "Mars Defenses"), but definitely seemed similar to act like fighters (and get destroyed about as quickly as your typical fighter does when its hit).
I've no idea if the craft were ever identified off-screen later on.

Posted by: junior at December 10, 2012 03:53 PM (UWFpX)

364 "Um, it's no conspiracy. "

Ah. An article about "patent encumberance" which goes on and on and never bothers to cite what patent(s) they're writing about. See the Talk tab.

The assumption here seems to be that that all of the technology challenges of a commercially viable consumer-market electric vehicle would have vanished years ago if not for an inconvenient patent. That's just silly.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 10, 2012 04:14 PM (T3KlW)

365 358 Question for the sci fi experts....am I wrong that there were little to no personal fighters developed in the Star Trek universe?

That's generally true. Starfleet seems to prefer general-purpose shuttlecraft-based designs. By the movie era, especially, photon torpedoes have basically become remotely piloted attack drones, so manned fighters might be seen as redundant.

There were small ships that looked a lot like fighters in the episode "The First Duty", where Wesley nearly got expelled from Starfleet after a training stunt went wrong. I don't recall them ever being specifically called fighters, though, so I guess they could be some kind of specialized training craft.

Posted by: GalosGann at December 10, 2012 04:28 PM (T3KlW)

366 Of course it is worth buying. We just dumped a couple of hundred million dollars into it, after the Obama's buddies got their share (and a little kickback to right peopel) they still spent alot on equipment that they had no clue what to do with.
The Chinese came it and bought it all at bargain basement prices, no doubt thanking the Moron in Chief for his assistance.

Posted by: John21 at December 11, 2012 09:22 AM (46VAS)






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