Top Headline Comments 12-10-12

Happy Monday.

Speaker Boehner and President Obama met over the weekend to discuss the fiscal cliff. No progress reported.

Drew wrote up Sen. Corker's idea that the GOP give in on tax hikes for those making more than $250,000. While I totally disagree with Corker, I'm surprised at the opprobrium he's getting over this. After all, his proposal, as summed up by Drew, sounds a lot like what conservatives have been saying:

Step 1: Unconditional surrender to Obama and the Democrats

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Massive entitlement reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants.

Only the particulars of the third step appear to be different. Conservatives have it something like, "Step 3: American voters realize that Obama and the Democrats' plan was terrible and vote in Republicans conservatives to do massive entitlement and tax reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants."

China's largest auto parts manufacturer just bought the bankrupt, taxpayer-funded A123 green battery maker.

The F.C.C. calls on the F.A.A. to allow passengers to use electronics during take-off and landing.

Something's up in Pakistan; quite a few Al Qaeda leaders have dropped dead in the past week and a half.

Yet another Romney candidacy postmortem, if you're still into that sort of thing.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:47 AM



Comments

1 Early

Posted by: Tmitsss at December 10, 2012 06:49 AM (MnQ2N)

2 Good morning, all!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 06:50 AM (GoIUi)

3 Who is this Romney?

Posted by: Killerdog at December 10, 2012 06:53 AM (Oi60j)

4 First snow of the season this morning in Texas

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 06:53 AM (9HhTH)

5 Suddenly cold in Texas this morning.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 06:54 AM (+paCV)

6 GLOBAL WARMENING!
http://t.co/81qJ5ALC

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 06:55 AM (hO8IJ)

7 No snow in the hill country...

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 06:55 AM (+paCV)

8 First snow of the season this morning in Texas

*sob*
I hate Indiana.
Nothing but rain.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 06:56 AM (hO8IJ)

9 "China's largest auto parts manufacturer just bought the bankrupt, taxpayer-funded A123 green battery maker."

And they're not even going to kiss the American taxpayers afterward, much less call them in the morning.

Posted by: Pope Pol Pot at December 10, 2012 06:56 AM (OqWMe)

10 part II: "The Obamaning"

http://tinyurl.com/cw2eny9

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:00 AM (+paCV)

11 Please define 'cold' in Texas terms. Here in Fat City CO it's 18F this morning, wind chill is 5F. Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC today.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:01 AM (8sCoq)

12 Drew > Gabriel

Posted by: Randall Hoven at December 10, 2012 07:02 AM (L5atp)

13 Uh....maybe 46º F?

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:03 AM (+paCV)

14 gonna be in the 20s tonight though. Does that count?

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:04 AM (+paCV)

15 Seems to me what Corker said was "all you people with your necks in chopping blocks, I'm not going to join you."

The R party is not going to hold back tax increases, so why would any politician want to be the guy who looks like he's driving the car over the phony cliff?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 07:04 AM (BeSEI)

16 HeatherRadish, that rain yesterday was really terrible. We even had some thunder here.

I am still not hating on the rain, however, remembering the drought last summer. The ground water needs replenishing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:04 AM (GoIUi)

17 Burn > reform

Posted by: EC at December 10, 2012 07:05 AM (doBIb)

18 Okay, somebody help me out: is this "trillion dollar platinum coin" thing a Prison Planet/Alex Jones conspiracy theory or is this a real possibility?

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 07:05 AM (CWlPF)

19 On

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 07:07 AM (BeSEI)

20 That would be a big coin.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 07:07 AM (9HhTH)

21 Seemed to me like Corker was sayin', "The Speaker has told me to go along with whatever he says and I am a good boy. Yes I am aren't I; a good boy."

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:07 AM (+paCV)

22 The F.C.C. calls on the F.A.A. to allow passengers to use electronics during take-off and landing.

That has always bothered me. If, upon takeoff landing, an iPhone can crash a plane by playing Angry Birds, FIX THE DAMN PLANE!

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 07:08 AM (d0Dmj)

23 21 -

The Speaker of the Senate?

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 07:09 AM (BeSEI)

24 I'm not against replenishing the reservoirs; I would prefer to have it in the form of snow. Killer migraine this morning, something that never happens with a good blizzard.


A Hannukah image from Al-Reuters that I really like for some reason. Heh.

http://is.gd/zJSpOT

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 07:09 AM (hO8IJ)

25 Please define 'cold' in Texas terms. Here in Fat City CO it's 18F this morning, wind chill is 5F.

Cold? Anything below 59. Hot? Anything above 110.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 07:09 AM (d0Dmj)

26 No snow in the hill country...

Light dusting in D/FW.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 07:10 AM (d0Dmj)

27 No, there won't really be a coin thing, but legally Timmy could do it if he wanted. It is just a meme to demonstrate that the treasury, fed and dollar are all bogus.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:10 AM (+paCV)

28 The Speaker of the Senate?

ooops....minority leader.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:12 AM (+paCV)

29 Yes, I would rather have snow, too, HeatherRadish.

In Indiana we rarely get much snow before January. I am hoping we get a decent snow before Christmas, but that has been my wish almost every year and it rarely happens.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:12 AM (GoIUi)

30 No matter what step 1 is, I dunno how to get to step 3.

Posted by: But at December 10, 2012 07:12 AM (/0/QA)

31 Heh. Thank you.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:12 AM (+paCV)

32 18 joncelli, it's more in the realm of speculation at this point. The Donks know there a pound of flesh to be paid for a debt ceiling increase and they are desperate to find a way to not pay it.

Then consider how hallowed traditions, like the Senate itself deciding when it is in session or not, can be ignored by a SCoaMF at his convenience.

My rating -- Much more likely than an Alex Jones conspiracy theory.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 07:12 AM (ccXZP)

33 44 now in San Antonio. It'll creep up to 50, then freeze tonight. So, I'll have to wear pants tomorrow.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at December 10, 2012 07:13 AM (i7B17)

34 28 -

Either way, I really don't know Corker, but I'm getting more of an image of what rats do when the ship is going down, rather than anybody making any sort of coordinated stand/surrender.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 07:13 AM (BeSEI)

35 Ah, you Texicans don't know cold!

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:16 AM (8sCoq)

36 1. Play along.
2. Hire more election professionals.
3. Get rid of the Tea Party and the involved citizens.
4. Power!
5. Learn Chinese.
6. Power!

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:16 AM (+paCV)

37 Crap - 17 here now and a high of 31 today. Well at least I can wear my fur coat now.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 07:16 AM (z/wx3)

38 I think Senators should be like ambassadors to a foreign country.

Then governors could call them back home and give them instructions or replace them.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:17 AM (GoIUi)

39 The blog author here actually is giving too much credit to the self-proclaimed true conservatives of the Internet. They're not conservatives. They're not anything. They're just irrational malcontents. And they're not the sharpest tools in the shed.

You could sit down and explain to them, using a puppet show even, that "let it burn" means massive tax hikes for everyone (how exactly is that a "conservative" approach?) and crushing cuts to the military (how exactly is that "conservative?"), and that the dumbed down useful idiot blocs will in any event still vote in lock step for Democrats, and they won't be able to figure it out. Again, not the sharpest tools in the shed.

This goes all the way back to the John Birch Society wingnuts. Actually, to a significant extent it's the same people. They're just older now. And less sentient. And specifically with respect to the Internet and its horrible demographics you also have to factor in arrested development syndrome. A lot of these bloggers simply are spoiled brats, age 45 but going on 15.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 10, 2012 07:17 AM (r2PLg)

40 Foggy and unseasonably warm here in Philthadelphia. And now it's off to mine some salt, so I'll see you later.

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 07:19 AM (CWlPF)

41 Ah, you Texicans don't know cold!
Posted by: Jones in CO


I lived up in the Western Rockies during college for a while. It took me a year to get used to -0º.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:20 AM (+paCV)

42 FWIW have publicly renounced any and all connection with the Republican Party. I'll officially change my voter registration at the next opportunity. I am now independent, and my political philosophy is 'let it burn'.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:20 AM (8sCoq)

43 Trapped in a seat next to someone talking on a cell phone for two hours is my description of hell.

Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 07:20 AM (n422X)

44 28 degrees at mi casa. Down to 20 overnight tonight.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 10, 2012 07:21 AM (d0Dmj)

45 Daybrother - Been here since '75, still can't get used to below 0.

Time to hit the Monday morning routine.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 07:22 AM (z/wx3)

46 And here we are at the beginning of another week, Moron Nation. I know I’ve mentioned it before, but I really hate driving to work at 5.30am on a cold, rainy December morning. Yes, I know, I know – be grateful you’ve a job at all, even if you could make more staying home and being one of the Obamajugend’s Strength-Through-Laziness brigade.


Well, let’s talk Old Hollywood, shall we?


Louis B. Mayer was a multitalented man, but above all a master manipulator - as an actor, he was the equal of any of MGM’s stars. Here's a story that shows off his manipulation and cynicism in equal measure; rather than paraphrase, I'm quoting directly from the source, Mayer and Thalberg: The Make-Believe Saints by Samuel Marx.*

"The studio was disrupted. . .when newly inaugurated President Roosevelt closed the country's banks, declared a moratorium and made it impossible to cash checks. It served to spotlight the nation in crisis but added fears of a greater depression in the years ahead than those just past. Film companies, too, had suffered from diminishing returns, for people with little money on hand stopped going to the movies. The heads of the studios began a series of meetings to discuss the situation. A drastic decision to effect stringent economies resulted.

"Assembly was called in the Thalberg projection room. It overflowed with stars, writers, directors and department heads. The reason for the meeting was no secret. All the Hollywood studios chose that day to ask their employees, even those bound by contract, to accept a 50 percent cut in salary. It was needed, they claimed, because conditions throughout the country threatened to force them into bankruptcy and close their doors forever.

"The group at MGM sat unhappily or nearly twenty minutes before Mayer entered, his face stubbled and his eyes red, as if his nights had been as sleepless as his days were unshaven. He began with a soft utterance: "My friends. . ." Then he broke down. Stricken, he held out his hands, supplicating, bereft of words.

"Lionel Barrymore spoke up huskily. "We all know why we are here. Don't worry, L.B. We're with you."

"Ernest Vajda** was not with him. "I read the company statements, Mr. Mayer," he said. "I know our films are doing well. Maybe these other companies must do this, but this company should not. Let us wait; there's no reason to cut our pay at this time."

"Then Barrymore, with his commanding, stage-trained voice, drawled, "Mr. Vajda is like a man on his way to the guillotine, wanting to stop for a manicure."

"The assemblage laughed and applauded. Mayer beamed.

"Actress May Robson*** rose to her feet. "As the oldest person in the room," she proclaimed, "I will take the cut!"

"Almost as if prompted, a child actor jumped to his feet. "As the youngest in the room, I will take the cut!" Mayer asked them to vote if they were willing to slash their incomes in half, "for no more than eight weeks and I, Louis B. Mayer, will work to see that you get back every penny when this terrible emergency is over!"

"Deeply moved, many shouted their willingness and when Mayer called for a vote, the pay cut was approved.

The group dispersed and I was a few steps ahead of Mayer and Thau as we crossed the iron bridge to the front-office building. Oblivious to the fact that I could surely hear him, he asked the talent expert, "How did I do?""****


And there we are. Hope you all have a wonderful day.

*an MGM producer; also discoverer of Elizabeth Taylor.

**an MGM screenwriter best known for The Barretts of Wimpole Street
***an actress known for her 'old-lday-with-a-heart-of-gold' roles; played the Queen of Hearts in Alice In Wonderland and Aunt Polly in The Adventures of Tom Sawyer
****need I add that Mayer himself never took the paycut and no-one got their lost wages back?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 07:22 AM (zF6Iw)

47 Ha, changed my voter registration last week. Waiting for mail verification.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 07:23 AM (z/wx3)

48 43 Trapped in a seat next to someone talking on a cell phone for two hours is my description of hell.
Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 07:20 AM (n422X)

I'm not sure how it's possible to talk on the phone for two hours straight without demonic possession being involved somehow. (And now I really, really am going to work. Really.)

Posted by: joncelli at December 10, 2012 07:23 AM (CWlPF)

49 #39 Tsar Nicholas II, I think a good question to ask about any of these strategies, and for that matter, to Obama, is the following:

"What is the expected outcome of this action?"

I don't see anyone asking this question about anything going on.

Examples:
Obama: Raise taxes on the evil rich!
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?

Some conservatives: Refuse to raise taxes and go over the cliff!
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?

Other conservatives: Let Obama have the tax increase on the rich.
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?

We get nowhere when people start in with Crying Boehner, they're gonna cave, they are only interested in themselves, etc. If you have an action that you think should be taken, then tellme what the expected outcome is!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:23 AM (GoIUi)

50 >
I think Senators should be like ambassadors to a foreign country.


That's how the Framers envisioned it. The Senate represents the states' interests to the federal government, and the House represents the people's interests. All of this has been bastardized of course, by the loathsome swine we call 'politicians'.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (8sCoq)

51 This goes all the way back to the John Birch Society wingnuts.
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II


Can you imagine? Those crazies thought the Federal government was being infiltrated with Communists. That could never happen.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (+paCV)

52 Give Obama what he wants (higher taxes and no entitlement reforms) and let it burn. I also want them to approve Rice as Sec of State. If we're going to burn, might as well go all in.

Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (n422X)

53 I would love to explain Corker, but I watch Fox and I have IQ of 80. I go watch kitten now.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (zZJJp)

54 Posted by: Randall Hoven at December 10, 2012 07:02 AM (L5atp)

That's brilliant!

And backed up with so much data!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:25 AM (GsoHv)

55 @35,

Us Texicans know cold. Cold is a Lone star beer right out of the cooler!

All joking and kidding aside, those guys up in the panhandle be freezing der Hiene off.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 10, 2012 07:27 AM (Q32WF)

56 Bill Whittle's screed from the sidebar is depressing, especially for a rainy Monday morning.

Unfortunately he is completely correct in his analysis.

Unserious people...indeed!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:27 AM (GsoHv)

57 Breitbart has a piece up about a loophole I suspect many of you are exploiting in the tax code. Do you own your own home? Does it have a mortgage? (bad). Or is it paid for? (worse).

You see, the gubmint figures that you are saving money by not renting, and that adds to your INCOME. Thus, if it is paid for you are making even more.

http://tinyurl.com/apodggl

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 07:27 AM (ccXZP)

58 Other conservatives: Let Obama have the tax increase on the rich.
Me: What is the expected outcome of this action?


Me: Everything goes to shit. But that's what America wanted. Why do you feel so strongly about saving a bunch of lazy greedy ignorant malcontents from their own actions? Fuck 'em.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 10, 2012 07:28 AM (hO8IJ)

59 Does my motorcycle's 1st aid kit need a chest seal for sucking chest wounds, or is that overkill?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:28 AM (8sCoq)

60 Republicans in senate should all go rogue. Let Reid do what he wants, and they should hold daily press conferences explaining to the people all the stuff we know but no else cares about. Like how did Harry get so fat? and all the other corruption and dirt going on in DC.

Bill Whittle's new afterburner is a must watch. (unserious people)

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 07:29 AM (zZJJp)

61 #58 Why do you feel so strongly about saving a bunch of lazy greedy ignorant malcontents from their own actions? Fuck 'em.

----------------------------------------------

Actually, it's my grandchildren who I worry about. The FSA, I do not care one whit about. I just don't want my grandkids enslaved to them.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)

62 Here is a chart I would like to see:

Plot the net worth of every Senator from when he took office to the present.

Then ask each one to explain, without notes, how he got to his present state of wealth.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:33 AM (GoIUi)

63 Speaker Boehner and President Obama met over the weekend to discuss the fiscal cliff. No progress reported.


I don't know if it's hilarious, sad, or sadly hilarious that my immediate response to that was "Hurray! We haven't been sold out yet!"



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 10, 2012 07:33 AM (Gk3SS)

64 Can you imagine? Those crazies thought the Federal government was being infiltrated with Communists. That could never happen.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:24 AM (+paCV)

Yeah, it's so depressing. All the 'crazy people' of my childhood were right. The commies really are taking over, the government is *not* 'saving' your SS money for you, Adele Davis was right about broccoli......that last one really hurts.

Posted by: Pentangle at December 10, 2012 07:35 AM (YfpdV)

65 The GOP cannot stop the tax increases on those over $200/250 so they should let the deadline expire, thereby raising rates on everybody and forcing the automatic cuts.

The cliff is a metaphor, and a bad one at that. Nothing dramatic is going to happen if we "go over it." The threat is that we will slip back into a recession, but we are already in a recession and so is our largest trading partner. We also have rapidly increasing inflation and rampant unemployment.

The only thing that keeps the public from recognizing that we are in a recession, have rapidly increasing inflation and rampant unemployment is the way our government keeps its books. In this respect even the EU is more candid about where their economy stands.

The first step to solving your problems is recognizing them. Right now we are still bullshitting.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 10, 2012 07:35 AM (8/DeP)

66 Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC today.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:01 AM (8sCoq)


Without a jacket, you meant to say, of course.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at December 10, 2012 07:37 AM (8k/Ud)

67 Morning all.......


Kevin McCarthy (R) Cali is on CNBC talking about the fiscal cliff. This guy is waaay better than Corker.

Posted by: Tami at December 10, 2012 07:39 AM (X6akg)

68 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 07:27 AM (ccXZP)

Thanks, that was exactly the motivation needed to fire up Rosetta Stone this morning. About a quarter of the way thru the Spanish program, planning to go checkout Panama and Uruguay in a couple of months.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 07:39 AM (9HhTH)

69 I think the point most of us are at is as follows:

1. Q. What can Republicans do to stop our imminent economic and Fiscal collapse? A. Nothing.

2. Q. What are Republicans willing to do to stop our imminent economic and Fiscal collapse? A. Less than Nothing.

"Let it burn" isn't a deathwish, it's an acceptance of the inevitable.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 10, 2012 07:40 AM (QXlbZ)

70 Posted by: Blacksheep

Stop lying about, well, everything? Representative Democratic Republic? That's just crazy talk.

Wingnut

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:41 AM (+paCV)

71 Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:23 AM (GoIUi)

You are asking the wrong questions. Your ?s should be directed to DC, where the decisions are being made. Our little whinings here about the wisdom of one sorry plan vs another mean squat.

I will say that our whines are beginning to resemble those of more powerful voices. A small bone of hope, if you will.

Without radical changes in spending, our currency will collapse. This isn't a guess, it's an immutable fact. The credit bubble will collapse just as the dotcom and housing bubbles did.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 07:42 AM (ccXZP)

72 Gregory is right. I just wish someone would tell the truth. I am sooo tired of being lied to.

Posted by: Infidel at December 10, 2012 07:43 AM (z/wx3)

73 >Without a jacket, you meant to say, of course.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at December 10, 2012 07:37 AM (8k/Ud)

35F @ 55MPH = 18F. Think I'll stay in and watch teevee.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:43 AM (8sCoq)

74 Ed Anger: Sorry I didn't reply yesterday, had to run out to Mass.

Shower radio is a "Spectra." Has been in almost daily use since 1985. Very basic. Vol (on/off) dial, tuning dial, am/fm toggle. That's it. Seems to me the more jazzed up appliances get, the less reliable they are.

Posted by: Gem at December 10, 2012 07:45 AM (zw+pb)

75 Then ask each one to explain, without notes, how he got to his present state of wealth.

Gee whiz, Miss Marple, here in NJ, we could use a chart like that for mayors and councilmen....

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 10, 2012 07:45 AM (53riN)

76
I hate Indiana.
Nothing but rain.





You know better than this if you have lived here any length of time.
And good morning! any way, it's more like a drizzle than a rain.

Posted by: Cicero Kid. at December 10, 2012 07:47 AM (hq+RW)

77 Think I'll stay in and watch teevee.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:43 AM (8sCoq)

When I cycled (in my youth) I had a pair of winter gloves with about 3/4 inch of insulation on the backs. I never really got why, until one day in the winter I forgot them, and descended South Park Drive in the Berkeley hills.

This was California weather, on a bicycle (probably 35mph tops) and I thought my hands were going to fall off.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:48 AM (GsoHv)

78 72 Gregory is right. I just wish someone would tell the truth. I am sooo tired of being lied to.

They're not even good lies. the treat us like idiots that arent worth the effort of a good lie. and the knob polishing media must giggle off camera at the shit these guys are trying to sell us.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 07:49 AM (zZJJp)

79 Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC today.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:01 AM (8sCoq)



Racist bastard. Its just winter.

Posted by: Japanese Olympic gymnastics team at December 10, 2012 07:49 AM (SSWdi)

80 We complain about Boehner because he put us in this position, and now he's trying to avoid the trap that he designed and told us was totally awesome and was going to make the President lead.

So now the President isn't falling for the fully telegraphed intent and making the Republicans scatter before him. Seriously, if Boehner is getting beaten this badly by this guy, we need someone new.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 07:49 AM (/1U3u)

81 Alright, here's a feel good WWII story from the NY Post:

http://tinyurl.com/ay4nbtf

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 07:49 AM (ccXZP)

82 >I hate Indiana.
Nothing but rain.


Trust me: it beats drought.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:50 AM (8sCoq)

83 Drew wrote up Sen. Corker's idea that the GOP give in on tax hikes for those making more than $250,000. While I totally disagree with Corker, I'm surprised at the opprobrium he's getting over this. After all, his proposal, as summed up by Drew, sounds a lot like what conservatives have been saying:


The difference as I see it is what we're asking for is he GOP is vote "present" while all the while complaining at the top of their lungs what a shitty plan it is. What Corker is advocating is voting "yes" and then owning the failure.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 07:50 AM (I2LwF)

84 Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 10, 2012 07:45 AM (53riN)

I love the triple-dippers. Three civil service jobs, three pensions, and their current position.

Rope...lamp post. Some assembly required.

And....do you want in on the NY/NJ moron meetup e-mail list?

If so, shoot me an e-mail at: nynjmeet at optimum dot net.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:51 AM (GsoHv)

85 49 -

Action: Politicians stand up for what they believe.

Expected outcome: Let the chips fall where they may.

Our problem is that the Dems are being completely honest about what they want (i.e. class warfare, let the rich eat worms), and the R's are lying about all of it.

If you don't really believe higher taxes are NOT the problem, then give in. Let Obama have what he wants. If you do believe it, stand up to the tyrant, and go to the gallows with your head held high.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 10, 2012 07:52 AM (BeSEI)

86 78

Unfortunately, a whole lot of the media have lower IQs than their kittens. Andrew proved that. They are just barely smart enough to know what they need to think and do to fit in and keep their jobs.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 10, 2012 07:53 AM (+paCV)

87 "What Corker is advocating is voting "yes" and then owning the failure continuing to collect his graft and use his perks to enrich himself at the expense of the American people."

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 07:50 AM (I2LwF)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 10, 2012 07:53 AM (GsoHv)

88
The people changing from R to I: what do you expect to solve with it? That next elections the D/I/R will be 55/10/35?
Let it burn might not be a good strategy but switching to independents (among people who believe in nothing and fall for everything) doesn't sound like the smartest move ever

Posted by: fromabroad at December 10, 2012 07:55 AM (rnV3B)

89 As McCarthy put it when asked about Corker's proposal to give the tax increases now and spending cuts later:


"No.....He's proposing to give the tax increases now and HOPE for spending cuts later."

Posted by: Tami at December 10, 2012 07:55 AM (X6akg)

90 And don't forget Biz Markie 2016!

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 10, 2012 07:56 AM (/1U3u)

91


DAY 34

1,426 to go


Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, miscreants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 07:59 AM (XkWWK)

92 They're lying to us like we're Montel Williams.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at December 10, 2012 07:59 AM (zZJJp)

93 If you don't really believe higher taxes are NOT the problem, then give in. Let Obama have what he wants.

Ouch. Stop hitting me!

Posted by: Straw man at December 10, 2012 08:00 AM (USJNU)

94 So had Mitt either been more of a RiNO squish, OR more of a Tru Con, or gone full Charlie Crist Republocrat we'd be winnerz!!??!!

"Ok"

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:01 AM (LRFds)

95 >The people changing from R to I: what do you expect to solve with it? That next elections the D/I/R will be 55/10/35?



Because I no longer want to be associated with losers- with a Party that has betrayed its core beliefs. The GOP as currently constituted pays lip service to lower taxes and smaller government. I want no part of it. I don't expect my leaving the party will solve anything. It's about not wanting to be associated with an organization that doesn't reflect my beliefs.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 08:01 AM (8sCoq)

96 As said above, the idea is to acknowledge the reality that we probably can't stop Obama's plans, but we can make sure everyone knows we had no part in it and don't like it. IMO, voting present while providing VERY vocal criticism is the way to go.

Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 08:02 AM (USJNU)

97 Going from R to I is going to make it harder, not easier, to affect change.

There will always be two major parties. It's the way our elections are set up with single rep districts and one man-one vote. The Republican Party has the infrastructure built already, so it's easier to take it over than to take them down.


Stay R and start taking over your state party. It's going to be easier to win that way than by turning I.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:03 AM (I2LwF)

98 So how about that AGW yah

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:05 AM (uFY4s)

99 8 bleeping degrees and there are still comments in the local rag about agw tucking idiots

Posted by: alexiosososoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:07 AM (uFY4s)

100 97 Truman North,

Nah having no sway with either party is a brilliant tactical disposition.

That way the GOP goes socialist light letting the donks go full communist.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:07 AM (LRFds)

101 Morning Horde. I miss something? Where's Vic?



I don't know if it's hilarious, sad, or sadly
hilarious that my immediate response to that was "Hurray! We haven't
been sold out yet!"




Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 10, 2012 07:33 AM (Gk3SS)



Sounds about right to me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 08:08 AM (da5Wo)

102 97 Stay R and start taking over your state party. It's going to be easier to win that way than by turning I.
Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:03 AM (I2LwF)


I tend to agree with this, despite over the past week wanting to abandon the GOP. However, while taking back the state houses is important, we must find a way to take back the national party and congressional leadership.

Boycotting the RNC, RNSC and RNCC is a good first step. Just vet individual candidates and give directly to their campaigns.

ALSO, some sort of national demonstration against the party might do some good at least from a psychological point of view. Scare the shit out of the RINO's and empower us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 08:08 AM (XkWWK)

103 100 Thats an awful idea

Posted by: alexiosososoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:08 AM (uFY4s)

104 Jones, does your sidecar sport a 60

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 08:09 AM (UIE9v)

105 >Jones, does your sidecar sport a 60

Posted by: Jean at December 10, 2012 08:09 AM (UIE9v)


not followin' ya...

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 08:10 AM (8sCoq)

106 THE ONLY WAY TO WIN THE GAME AGAINST THE COMMUNISTS AND STATISTS, IS NOT TO PLAY!



Go down swinging!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 10, 2012 08:11 AM (RrD4h)

107 97. I could never join the let it burn group since I have 60 years left of my lifespan

Posted by: alexiosososoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:11 AM (uFY4s)

108 The electorate is not going to wake up and demand entitlement reform. Too many people are reliant on free shit. We all need to realize that what is going to happen is Weimar-scale currency debasement. Whether or not the attendant tyranny and war comes with it is up to us.

Posted by: DanInMN at December 10, 2012 08:11 AM (khf9A)

109
95
are you aware that on the other side they vote for whatever retard they present? It doesn't matter if they think the shit bama is too leftwing or too extreme or too incapable. Retarded as they are they double down on stupidity.

By leaving the R you are playing their game because they will use it for saying gop is the party of extremists (when in reality you are leaving for the opposite reason).

Politics is about perception. This kind of stuff gives the perception of a losing party more than losing the elections.

A lot of gop representatives are below standards but switching to the side where low standard is the norm doesn't seem very bright.

Your 'point' does not help conservatives. It helps the enemy.

Posted by: fromabroad at December 10, 2012 08:12 AM (rnV3B)

110 106 or kill them first.

Posted by: alexiososoosoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:12 AM (uFY4s)

111 The cliff isn't a metaphor.


There is a cliff and it is what the military will be pushed over. Carter style cuts in military spending during a low grade and world wide war will get people killed. Our people.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 10, 2012 08:12 AM (+VMZ0)

112 voting present while providing VERY vocal criticism is the way to go.


Posted by: pep at December 10, 2012 08:02 AM (USJNU)

Voting present is not the adult-in-the-room way of doing things, rather we should reach across the aisle and embrace what our socialist overlords have in mind for us, then the American people will love us and vote R!

Posted by: Karl Rover at December 10, 2012 08:13 AM (Cnqmv)

113 Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC today.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 07:01 AM (8sCoq)
Racist bastard. Its just winter.

Posted by: Japanese Olympic gymnastics team


Heh. Back in my brother's university days, his Japanese friend decided to go skydiving one day. When my brother relayed this information to his Korean girlfriend (now my sister-in-law), she replied, "I thought there was a little nip in the air this morning."

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 10, 2012 08:13 AM (BrQrN)

114 110- Shut your mouth son. That is serious business and not far enough from the surface to be joked about.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at December 10, 2012 08:14 AM (+VMZ0)

115 Morning Horde. I miss something?


Just me calibrating my laptop's webcam.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 10, 2012 08:15 AM (VtjlW)

116 And....do you want in on the NY/NJ moron meetup e-mail list?

If so, shoot me an e-mail at: nynjmeet at optimum dot net.
Thanks; I'm IN! I just sent you an email...hope I got it right ( no caffeine yet..on my way to the stove now...)

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 10, 2012 08:15 AM (53riN)

117 Teehee

Posted by: alexiososoosoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:16 AM (uFY4s)

118 As George Will said yesterday, "The electorate has decided they want a
really nice entitlement state, and that they don't want to pay
for it!"


Unfortunately for our children, the reform of the entitlement state will happen because of the failure to reform the entitlement state.



Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:18 AM (Cnqmv)

119 Just me calibrating my laptop's webcam.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 10, 2012 08:15 AM (VtjlW)



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 08:18 AM (da5Wo)

120 111 I like that our omnicidal enemies are on the other side of the planet

Posted by: alexiososoosoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:19 AM (uFY4s)

121 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 10, 2012 08:15 AM (VtjlW)


Pics or it didn't happen!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:19 AM (Cnqmv)

122 You can't change the national party. It's beyond changing. The national party is controlled by the state party, and the state party is built from the several county or town/city committees.

There is a lot of inertia built into the system; you can't change anything within months or even a couple of years. But over the course of a decade, you can see real changes.

How do I know? Because that's how fast/slowly things got so cocked up in the first place, with some local variations.

Sorry. No quick fixes. But we already knew that.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:19 AM (I2LwF)

123 >I could never join the let it burn group since I have 60 years left of my lifespan

That means you have enough time that you could potentially live again as a free man. LIB is *for* you.

Posted by: DanInMN at December 10, 2012 08:21 AM (khf9A)

124 Where is Vic?

Posted by: alexiososoosoososossoo at December 10, 2012 08:21 AM (uFY4s)

125 With enough SMART diplomacy, you don't need a military, just a lot of drones and a list of people you'd like to kill.

Oh, and maybe a "reset" button!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:21 AM (Cnqmv)

126 since I have 60 years left of my lifespan




Ah. This explains a lot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 08:22 AM (da5Wo)

127 Loving how the futures are microscopically lower this morning, yet the financial media feels compelled to write a narrative about the fiscal cliff driving the markets down.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 08:22 AM (9HhTH)

128 I want this.country and the world.to go through war, but I want the infrastructure. Left intact

Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 08:23 AM (uFY4s)

129 If you'd like to read Lord Monckton's account of his visit and eviction from the latest Climate Conference, WUWT has it:

http://tinyurl.com/bdb2hzl

Oh, and I think AtC's webcam is a lie. A cruel hoax.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 08:23 AM (ccXZP)

130 There is a cliff and it is what the military will be pushed over.

I disagree. There are few things I value more than our military, and I have two immediate family members serving right now. But the military accomplishes its feats through massive overkill. It is a bloated, corrupt procurement monster, and it can and should be rationalized just like every other aspect of our government. You can't spend what you don't have, and we simply do not have the luxury of keeping military spending at current levels.

Clinton and Crater both gutted the military because deep in their hearts they despised it, and so their cuts were not made with the intention of keeping it strong and efficient. If on the other hand you told the top brass to cut 3% or whatever from every branch's budget they would do so in a manner that best serves everyone's respective interests.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 10, 2012 08:24 AM (8/DeP)

131 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:24 AM (5DR1j)

132 127 Loving how the futures are microscopically lower this morning, yet the financial media feels compelled to write a narrative about the fiscal cliff driving the markets down.
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 08:22 AM (9HhTH)


Well, they had to write something...

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:25 AM (I2LwF)

133 126 my quirky, kinky,and ADD behaviorn or my erratic posting

Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 08:25 AM (uFY4s)

134
Something's up in Pakistan; quite a few Al Qaeda leaders have dropped dead in the past week and a half.


So is it a covert assault by another extremist faction that wants to get rid of the competition, an internal revolt wherein lower rung members of al Qaeda want to climb the ladder to positions of power, or is it an outside force that's doing it? I doubt it's us; Obammy's too fond of his drone strikes and this is way too subtle for him. Maybe India?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 08:25 AM (4df7R)

135 >Oh, and I think AtC's webcam is a lie. A cruel hoax.


Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 08:23 AM (ccXZP)


this sounds interesting- got a link?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (8sCoq)

136 Crater = Carter obviously ^^^

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (8/DeP)

137 132 they do, I thought they simply had to lay there

Posted by: alexeo at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (uFY4s)

138 What is the deal with Boehner's tan? Does he own a tanning booth??

Posted by: Cricket at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (DrC22)

139 Ah, I take that back. These WERE drone strikes; at least most of them. So who's telling the gubmint and Jugears McFuckstick where to find these guys?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (4df7R)

140 How many people would be added to thetax rolls again if we go over the "cliff"?

Posted by: Elize Nayden at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (5w5dN)

141 Only the particulars of the third step appear to be different.
Conservatives have it something like, "Step 3: American voters realize
that Obama and the Democrats' plan was terrible and vote in Republicans conservatives to do massive entitlement and tax reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants."


Wrong, Gabe, not that I'm terribly surprised

1: Do absolutely nothing to oppose TFG's Agenda (distinction w/o difference there, I know)
2: Watch the pretty colors while everything burns.
3: Rebuild from the ashes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (5DR1j)

142 134 India Sounds like the likely culprit. They were hit hard by islamists. Revenge is sweet when you look like your enemy

Posted by: alexeoso at December 10, 2012 08:29 AM (uFY4s)

143 138 What is the deal with Boehner's tan? Does he own a tanning booth??

Posted by: Cricket at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (DrC22)

Christine Lagarde is his mentor.

Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 08:29 AM (n422X)

144 Posted by: Jones in CO at December 10, 2012 08:26 AM (8sCoq)

See comment 115

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2012 08:30 AM (ccXZP)

145 129 ace of spades, legal insurrection and wist are my favorite blogs

Posted by: alexeoso at December 10, 2012 08:31 AM (uFY4s)

146 Please define 'cold' in Texas terms. Here in Fat City CO it's 18F this
morning, wind chill is 5F. Probably gonna be too nippy to ride the MC
today.


I love having this discussion. "My weather sucks more than your weather!"

In honesty, I'll point out that Texan's idea of "cold" starts at about 50 F. That said, my Michigan Transplant wife pointed out that, once it gets really cold (40s and below), Texas cold is mean. The thermometer may read higher than it would in Colorado, or Michigan, or wherever, but your coat doesn't seem to be nearly as effective.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:31 AM (5DR1j)

147 >What is the deal with Boehner's tan?

I think someone bought his and Crist's votes with a few cases of spray on.

Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at December 10, 2012 08:32 AM (9HhTH)

148 141 put morphine in that list somewhere

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:34 AM (uFY4s)

149 The problem with the Corker/RINO approach is that the media will ensure that the Republican party owns (or is blamed for) any bad thing that happens in regard to the economy or taxes. Corker wants to embrace owning this to show "relevance/statesmanship". The true statesman would be screaming at the top of his lungs every day from the Capitol steps that Obama's approach will lead to disaster and that the Republican party will not willingly comply with a "solution" that can only harm the country.


But that would take discipline, a spine, and principles, so....

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:35 AM (Cnqmv)

150 3 degrees inlincoln now. Agw my ass

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:35 AM (uFY4s)

151 So who is colder than 3 degrees right now

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:37 AM (uFY4s)

152 45 in beautiful Massatwoshits. Rain has abated but everything is still good an soaked. At least I can go have a cigarette without getting rained on.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:38 AM (I2LwF)

153 It's actually fairly warm here. I realize that local weather means hardly anything on the global scale though.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 08:38 AM (a0nis)

154 3 degrees inlincoln now. Agw my ass

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:35 AM (uFY4s)

Think how cold you would be if it weren't for AGW! There would be polar bears in Lincoln.

Posted by: Albert Gore, Climate Scientist at December 10, 2012 08:38 AM (Cnqmv)

155 153 depends on the size of the locality

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:39 AM (uFY4s)

156 145 wist?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:39 AM (Cnqmv)

157 If on the other hand you told the top brass to cut 3% or whatever from
every branch's budget they would do so in a manner that best serves
everyone's respective interests.


Apparently, you have never watched the political wrangling over the BRAC list. Sure, the military could make its procurements more efficiently if given free reign and absolute support from its civilian bosses. That never happens. Oh, no! You can't close the base in my district. We'll lose jobs. Oh, no! You can't do away with this weapons system. We'll lose jobs...and so on. The use or lose budgeting doesn't help matters either.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 08:40 AM (mjR67)

158 154 I have heard that argument come from a normally reasonable person.

Posted by: alexeososo at December 10, 2012 08:41 AM (uFY4s)

159 1. Run a press conference with 200 Mexican family members testifying that Obama's guns murdered their family members. Every day.

2. Run a press conference with Hispanic Americans telling the world how crimmigration hurts them. Every day.

3. Run a press conference for poor schlubs who worked their whole lives to run a small business and are now shutting down or nearly so because of Obama's policies. Every day.

4. Run a press conference presenting people who were not aborted and have good lives. Every day.

5. Run a press conference presenting women who defended themselves with guns. Every day.

6. Run a press conference with eggheads explaining the Laffer Curve. Every day.


This is not hard, Congress. This is kid stuff.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:41 AM (I2LwF)

160 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (5DR1j)



Ashes do not necessarily make for good foundation material in a rebuilding effort, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:43 AM (Cnqmv)

161


China's largest auto parts manufacturer just bought the bankrupt, taxpayer-funded A123 green battery maker.



How utterly astute of them. Corner all markets.

While we wallow in children's games in DC, with Chief Petulant Child.

Posted by: beach monday at December 10, 2012 08:43 AM (LpQbZ)

162 111 Typo Dynamo,

Indeed, of course Honey Boo Nation don't give a shit other than trying to force people back in at gunpoint when the shit hits the fan.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:44 AM (LRFds)

163 This is not hard, Congress. This is kid stuff.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:41 AM (I2LwF)

But they'd have to take time of from accepting campaign contributions and getting insider information for their stock brokers to use.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 10, 2012 08:45 AM (Cnqmv)

164 Boehner will fold on taxes.

Big mistake for the GOP because it will take away the tax issue as part of their platform. Nobody believes them now. When this is done, voters really won't have any idea what the GOP stands for.

What will they run on next time- how bad four, no wait, eight years of Obama has been?

Yeah, that's been a real winner- hasn't it?

Let Obama- own it? You are kidding, correct?

Because he also owns our entire fiscal situation.

But it's Republicans fault because they can't explain to people how one-third of the government can't force Obama, the Senate and over 200 Democrats in the House into a deal.

So take your biggest leverage off the table which will get real entitlement cuts then comes back next year with what? Your dick in your hand?
Dopes.

Posted by: marcus at December 10, 2012 08:45 AM (GGCsk)

165 160 they make good fertilizer

Posted by: al at December 10, 2012 08:45 AM (uFY4s)

166 Yesterday, it was 75 degrees. This morning it is 39 degrees. That much of a temperature change always feels colder to me because I haven't had a chance to acclimate.

Posted by: no good deed at December 10, 2012 08:45 AM (mjR67)

167 Someone said they are just pretending that this country is New France and watching with amusement how these "foreigners" are fucking their country up.

It's a great thought experiment. I'm doing it now and I feel so much better.

Posted by: Truman North at December 10, 2012 08:47 AM (I2LwF)

168 You human centric bitch

Posted by: aloe vera at December 10, 2012 08:48 AM (uFY4s)

169 This is not hard, Congress. This is kid stuff.

Maybe come up with a fawning over celebrity type program and intersperse segments with how the actions of the government will affect the Kardasssssians, and American Idol, and George Clooney...oh god no, not George Clooney!!!!!

Posted by: Bruce at December 10, 2012 08:49 AM (Q6u7O)

170 So Damn coldnout. Need al gores blubbery goodness

Posted by: aloe vera at December 10, 2012 08:49 AM (uFY4s)

171 167 Truman North,

It's very liberating to explain to family that the nation they thought they were in died while they were busy laughing with moonbats at the war.

My sister in law started crying because her owner decided that a manager stealing direct from the cash register did not bother him too much since "he's a nice enough guy."

Morals?

Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:50 AM (LRFds)

172
"At least I can go have a cigarette without getting rained on."

God I miss that sweet, sweet smoke.

Posted by: jwest at December 10, 2012 08:52 AM (ZDsRL)

173 171 nice isn't good, mean isn't evil

Posted by: aloe vera at December 10, 2012 08:52 AM (uFY4s)

174
I didn't read Drew the way Gabe did, I read Fiscal Cliff > Corker plan.

And I agree.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 10, 2012 08:54 AM (n/ubI)

175 172 chocolate!!

Posted by: aloe vera at December 10, 2012 08:54 AM (uFY4s)

176 Oh FFS. Who allowed the kids to sit at the adult table?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 10, 2012 08:55 AM (da5Wo)

177 Where is Vic and his wonderful commentary

Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 08:55 AM (uFY4s)

178 Ah, I take that back. These WERE drone strikes; at least most of them. So who's telling the gubmint and Jugears McFuckstick where to find these guys?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 10, 2012 08:27 AM (4df7R)
====================================

The guys who want to replace them, of course.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 10, 2012 08:56 AM (RSqz2)

179 173 Aloe Vera,

Well the left and horryweird but I repeat myself have finally succeeded in breaking the social contract beyond recognition.

I am not a man of infinite means and I was told that my job for the opportunity to go as far as I can is to begrudge no person their fairly won gains and that society as a result will not begrudge me mine.

Work hard, be honest, and sooner or later you will find your way.

BWaaahahahaha

now look around and tell me that is what we see, and for the real kicker that that is what barky and friends are trying to render.

Nah we're now in some weird Malthusian nation that thinks if I eat a grape it was stole from another person.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:56 AM (LRFds)

180 176 I've never understood that reference. People actually had tables for kids?

Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 08:56 AM (uFY4s)

181 I didn't read Drew the way Gabe did, I read Fiscal Cliff > Corker plan.

There's that, too.

There's only one plan on the table, with a reasonable chance of success, which includes spending cuts, too- the Fiscal Cliff. And since we know that what we have is a spending problem, not a "revenue" problem, then that's the plan it is practical to support.

Our pragmatism brigade ought to be all over that one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:57 AM (5DR1j)

182 176 BC1981,

Grandma Bonnie, I'm sorry sir.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 10, 2012 08:57 AM (LRFds)

183 Nice is the worst of today's social ills

Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 08:58 AM (uFY4s)

184 HIYA Allen

Posted by: aloe veransoirdex at December 10, 2012 08:58 AM (uFY4s)

185 People actually had tables for kids?

Well, sort of. When you have a bunch of family over for the holidays, or whatever, and you need an extra table anyway, it makes sense to put the kids all together. Thus "the kids' table."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 08:59 AM (5DR1j)

186 Raising taxes "on the rich" is stupid, unproductive class warfare. Let me say that up front. But we should give the President his middle class tax cuts. (As I understand it, the Senate passed a clean middle-class-tax-cut extension months ago, so the House can just ratify it and send it on to the President's desk.)

Why? Two reasons. First, we will never, ever, ever get the upper-income tax cuts as part of a deal. The President and his buddies have put way too much rhetoric into making the "wealthy pay a little more" to backtrack now. (Granted, they've backtracked on bigger promises and never been called on it by our lickspittle media, but I think this is nonetheless true.)

Second, given that we will never, ever, ever get the upper-income tax cuts, we need to put ourselves in the best possible place with the American people. We do that by extending the tax cuts for the middle class. Then we tell them (and granted, this part is dicey, because our PR skills are utter crap) over and over again "We think raising taxes on the wealthy will be bad for the economy, but the President is making us. We think raising taxes on small businesses will be bad for the economy, but the President is making us."

Since we're definitely going back into recession in Round 2 of our eight years of unendurable nightmare, hopefully the American people will remember what we said and finally see the light. (A big, big risk, but the only one I see potentially paying off.)

What is the alternative? Let everything expire? We're eventually going to give in our middle class tax cuts. That, too, is certain. Why? Because we like tax cuts. We would prefer them for everyone, but we'll take them for the middle class alone. If we do it before they expire, there's still some room for PR to work. If we do it after, we're "holding hostage the middle class for our banker and billionaire buddies."

Posted by: MikeJ at December 10, 2012 09:00 AM (Us4M2)

187 HIYA Allen

Hoe-la. Como estahs?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 09:00 AM (5DR1j)

188 Correction niceness and tolerance are today's worst pseudo virtues

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:01 AM (uFY4s)

189 38 I think Senators should be like ambassadors to a foreign country.

Then governors could call them back home and give them instructions or replace them.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 10, 2012 07:17 AM (GoIUi)


The seventeenth amendment took care of that wighattery.

Posted by: William Jennings Bryan at December 10, 2012 09:01 AM (cyrh6)

190 187 quest que tu parle a francais

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:02 AM (uFY4s)

191 I hope Obama didn't kill Vic in a drone strike. That would be the last straw. And I started with like 200 straws.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 10, 2012 09:02 AM (a0nis)

192 189 your worse than Buffet

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:03 AM (uFY4s)

193 need I add that Mayer himself never took the paycut and no-one got their lost wages back?



Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 07:22 AM (zF6Iw)


LB Mayer sounds like a Democrat

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 09:04 AM (1Jaio)

194 Got your Romney postmortem right here: Mitt had a ringside seat to see Manny Pacquiao get knocked out cold. Maybe the closest he's ever been to a sitting congressman. What, he couldn't get in on the Macho Camacho action?

Wonder what The View gals will think of a pacifist Mormon going to a prizefight.

Posted by: comatus at December 10, 2012 09:05 AM (qaVK+)

195 193 purposed understatement of the thread

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:06 AM (uFY4s)

196 I am hoping we get a decent snow before Christmas, but that has been my wish almost every year and it rarely happens.

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Same here. But in upstate SC, it's reeeeeaaalllly rare. Two years ago, we had a snow on Christmas day. It was glorious. But I was told it was the first time this area had a Christmas snow since 1963. We've been unusually balmy this December. Today is a high of 72. As an Ohio girl, I don't like it. Nosiree.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 10, 2012 09:06 AM (lTVJy)

197 Wiki on William Jennings Bryan


he promoted Free Silver in 1896, anti-imperialism in 1900, and trust-busting in 1908, calling on Democrats to fight the trusts (big corporations) and big banks, and embrace anti-elitist ideals of republicanism.



Heh, the more things change...

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 10, 2012 09:06 AM (UZQM8)

198 Step 1: Unconditional surrender to Obama and the Democrats






Tax the shit out of the rich. Not only will it not solve anything but make things worse. And when that happens.....errr...most people will be utterly ignorant to what is going on and believe the MFM propaganda....let me rethink that...

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 09:06 AM (1Jaio)

199 Posted by: MikeJ at December 10, 2012 09:00 AM (Us4M2)

Someone mentioned sending Obama two separate bills - one for the middle class tax cuts, the other for the upper income tax cuts.

Posted by: zippy at December 10, 2012 09:06 AM (n422X)

200 198 step 2. Increase taxes on the rich to 1950's levels

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:08 AM (uFY4s)

201 Step 3. VAT tax at 10 percent

Posted by: alexsockonnosseguy at December 10, 2012 09:09 AM (uFY4s)

202
What is the alternative? Let everything expire? We're eventually
going to give in our middle class tax cuts. That, too, is certain.
Why? Because we like tax cuts. We would prefer them for everyone, but
we'll take them for the middle class alone. If we do it before they
expire, there's still some room for PR to work. If we do it after,
we're "holding hostage the middle class for our banker and billionaire
buddies."


Forget the PR war. Republicans won't win it anyway. They could have the RP version of a Royal Straight, and they'd still manage to lose to Democrat's Jack High.

But we have to ask- are "we" aiming for political advantage, or trying to do something actually to help? If we're just aiming for political advantage, then you're right- let's help the Democrats.

If we're trying to do something that might help, then what has to be cut is spending. We have a spending problem, not a "revenue" problem. But if we manage to maintain the Bush tax rates, even all of them, but certainly if it's just the "middle class" (which is as much class-warfare rhetoric as "the rich"), we ALSO stop the automatic cuts.

The only plan on the table which includes cuts is the Fiscal Cliff. Thus, avoiding the Fiscal Cliff- by any of the plans currently on the table- is actually worse than going all Thelma and Louise.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 10, 2012 09:09 AM (5DR1j)

203
Maybe conservatives should form their own party. Hear me out though. I realize that a conservative party and a GOP would both be in the minority to the Dems. But together, they could still be in the majority. However, since conservatives appear to be the minority within the GOP, if the GOP wants to retain power, then conservative party members can caucus with the GOP, but in return, get back seats on committee, leadership positions, etc.
Another alternative is for conservatives to not vote for Boehner for speaker. If he doesn't get enough votes, he's no longer speaker. We need to clean the GOPs Congressional leadership ranks from Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, etc. Need someone with some intestinal fortitude who will actually make a stand.

Posted by: Jon in TX at December 10, 2012 09:12 AM (PKRPm)

204 Here's my plan: Tax liberals blind (Buffet, Hollywood, the MFM, everyone who voted for Barry) no loopholes and leave everyone else alone. They want it let them pay for it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 09:14 AM (1Jaio)

205 >>That much of a temperature change always feels colder to me because I haven't had a chance to acclimate.

Yep. At least this time, where I am, the humidity didn't drop from 75% to 30% overnight. That was painful to my sinuses.

42 degrees and 65% humidity...could be worse.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 10, 2012 09:14 AM (SUKHu)

206 Woodrow Wilson chose Bryan to be his Secretary of State. At a cabinet meeting, there was to be discussion of a thick report on the situation in Haiti, which we had invaded. After perusing the detailed document, Bryan harumphed, "Imagine that. N***ers speaking French." Not counting several big round orations the writers of "Inherit The Wind" put into his mouth, I count that the high point of his career.

They ran him three times, you know. And yet in the end, he kind of won. And the Monkey Trial was Dem vs Dem, by the way.

Posted by: comatus at December 10, 2012 09:17 AM (qaVK+)

207 I posted this yesterday.

Some analysis


2012 Budget: 3.9 Trillion

2012 Taxes: 2.5 Trillion

2012 deficit: 1.4 Trillion

Taxes need to rise 36% on all brackets to cover deficit.

The top two tax brackets would need to rise 90% the other brackets could be left unchanged.

The 33% would become 62% and the 35% would become the 67% tax brackets.

A
person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to
$110,763 his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $67,887 and
that is before the states get through with him.

A person making
$388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $260,328 his
after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $128,022 and that is before
the states get through with him.

You would still not have a surplus. You would just break even.

------------------------------

Federal Debt: 16 Trillion

If taxes are raised 45% on all brackets to 4.6 Trillion you would have a surplus of 700 billion

The top two tax brackets would need to rise 125% the other brackets could be left unchanged.

The 33% would become 74% and the 35% would become the 79% tax brackets.

A
person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to
$132,201his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $46,449 and
that is before the states get through with him.

A person making
$388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $306,954 his
after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $81,396 and that is before
the states get through with him.


It would take 23 years to pay off the debt.

You would have also enslaved and destroyed the productive class.

This is not really hard to explain or make anyone understand.

Our leaders are not leaders they merely look for political advantage.

Remember the fiscal cliff was Boehners grand bargain because he did not want to fight the debt ceiling battle. He mad the calculus that Obama would lose the election, he calculated wrong. Now he does not want to fight or argue principles over the fiscal cliff, he is going to make another grand bargain whereby he loses now to win later.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 10, 2012 09:19 AM (RrD4h)

208 LB Mayer sounds like a Democrat
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 10, 2012 09:04 AM (1Jaio)


You'd think so, but no. He was a big Republican; even wanted to be part of the delegation to nominate Hoover in 1928, but didn't get to. He was just your typical sleazy, power-hungry Hollywood producer.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 10, 2012 09:26 AM (zF6Iw)

209 AllenG - I'm confused. Is there some sort of trigger built into sequestration that says it won't happen if we extend the tax cuts? That doesn't make any sense.

I agree with you absolutely that we need cuts. I agree that we should let sequestration happen and we should, in fact, be cutting more deeply. But I've never heard that sequestration gets switched off if we pass a tax-cut extension.

And again, we like tax cuts. We think they're good. (And we're right.) We would prefer them for everyone, but we'll take them for the middle class alone.

Posted by: MikeJ at December 10, 2012 09:31 AM (Us4M2)

210 The only thing that can reform entitlements is their collapse.

The only thing that can reform the Federal Empire is its collapse.

Folks who think they can make some kind of a reasonable deal now and get an even better one later are fools.

Our goal should be to do the best we can to guide the collapse and the recovery.

Posted by: eman at December 10, 2012 09:55 AM (9gcmf)

211 RE: "After all, his proposal, as summed up by Drew, sounds a lot like what conservatives have been saying . . . "

Huh?

Conservatives are saying to vote to raise taxes?

No they're not. They're saying to calmly send a vote from the House to maintain the current tax rates, and then vote to go home.

The next two years are all about the Republican Party recovering its *brand* so that Americans can know what the heck it believes. They did that between 2008 and 2010 -- and then post-2010, floundered around and acted like Dems.

For heaven's sake, they need to at least fall on principle, if they intend to continue falling. Right now, they're hated, and they're not even being hated for being conservatives!

Posted by: Sarah at December 10, 2012 10:02 AM (dA7Fi)

212 9º F this morning in Manhattan, Kansas.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 10, 2012 10:30 AM (u82oZ)

213 ALSO, some sort of national demonstration against the party might do some good at least from a psychological point of view. Scare the shit out of the RINO's and empower us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 10, 2012 08:08 AM (XkWWK)

Didn't we try that a couple years ago?

Posted by: KG at December 10, 2012 10:46 AM (p7BzH)






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