GOP Genius Of The Day...Senator Bob Corker

This is so stupid, only a Republican could think of it.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said Sunday that he’s “beginning to believe” that falling in line with President Obama’s call to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, then shifting the focus to reforming entitlements “is the best route for us to take” on the “fiscal cliff.”

“There is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don’t have a lot of cards on the tax issue before year end,” Corker said on “Fox News Sunday.” He continued: “A lot of people are putting forth a theory, and I actually think it has merit, where you go ahead give the president the two percent increase that he is talking about — the rate increase on the top two percent — and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements.”

Let me sum up:

Step 1: Unconditional surrender to Obama and the Democrats

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Massive entitlement reform that neither Obama nor any Democrat wants.

Why it's so obvious!

How exactly does giving in to Obama strengthen Republican's hand in getting entitlement reform?

The biggest problem Republicans in Congress have (other than being jackasses who couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag) is they are acting as if Obama really wants a deal and to get the deficit and debt under control. Hint: he DOESN"T.

What leverage will the GOP have after the fiscal cliff is off the table? The "debt ceiling"? You mean the thing that the GOP caved on two years ago and the only thing they got out of it was....the fiscal cliff we're not dying to avoid?

Yeah, they'll totally get it right this time. Just one more surrender and then Victory!

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: DrewM. at 06:09 PM



Comments

1 It's like the strategy of the Underwear Gnomes.

Posted by: Sho Nuff at December 09, 2012 06:13 PM (jo0fs)

2 Burninate. Now.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (/1U3u)

3 Bottomless idiocy. It just has no bottom. God we need a new party. We need to demolish this rotted edifice and rebuild it or just walk away. Something has to be done. This cannot go on.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 09, 2012 06:14 PM (iayld)

4 this apparently is not the hill the GOP is willing to die on.....oh wait......there are no hills!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 06:18 PM (GVxQo)

5 chair? I would like to Move that we change the name of the Grand Ole Party (GOP) to Dumb Ole Party Establishment.... or DOPE....

Can I get a second?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM (lZBBB)

6 What the fuck is Entitlement Reform?
If the powers that be would quit stealing the money there would be ample funds.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (BAnPT)

7
I'm lonely. So lonely.

Posted by: The Hill To Die On at December 09, 2012 06:21 PM (Rhie+)

8 Only Democrats care about Skin Color

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 06:22 PM (vBZAE)

9 The fire rises.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at December 09, 2012 06:23 PM (ZETiK)

10 Funny how exactly no one in DC is advocating anything to boost economic growth or reducing spending. I suppose that's just too far outside of "mainstream" thought anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (yiIja)

11 You know, just to clarify. I call the GOP the Stupid Party all the time, because it is. But it's not because they're the stupidest people in the world - that's the Democrats.

But the Democrats aren't defined by their stupidity, they're defined by their destructive divisiveness and greed (thus Evil Party). They're also not called on their abyssal stupidity by the captured MFM or entertainment complexes.

So, yes, Stupid Party. But not "so stupid only a Republican could have thought of it." I mean, seriously, we're talking not only about Liawatha but the people who voted for her in droves.

Guam will tip over, when the astronauts planted the flag on Mars, we can pay off our debt by borrowing and then make up for the inflation by printing money, FandF was just a bungled Bush operation, ad nauseam.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (bxiXv)

12 Folks? Folks? Obama even calls the terrorists "folks". Folk 'em all....

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 09, 2012 06:26 PM (BVkEs)

13 If the powers that be would quit stealing the money there would be ample funds.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 06:20 PM (BAnPT)


We have 120 trillion in unfunded liabilities and 5 trillion in revenue.

We are so boned it scarcely bears thinking about.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (bxiXv)

14 I am very confused at why this is so stupid?

I thought the whole premise of LIB was to give Obama everything he asks for, and watch as the country goes down in flames.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (E1Vkf)

15 I want to sell him a bridge.

He can pay me now so that down the road we can discuss that his payment was towards something that actually was up for sale in the first place.

Posted by: WheelmanForHire at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (l8nIR)

16 " ...call to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans,"

Why fight a raging house fire with a bottle of Perrier?

"reforming entitlements "

The Fed has printed and handed to their cronies out more money than all the S.S. recipients will ever receive and he's talking making old people poorer.
By the way, we owe that money the insiders gave to their friends and colleagues to the Fed.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (BAnPT)

17 Can you register Libertarian or do you just go Indy?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (85EaA)

18 No surprise here. Considering that the goals of all "servants of the people" seem to be a) Getting reelected, b) soaking up as much of our rapidly dwindling riches for themselves as possible and c) staying tight buddies with their "friends" in Congress and sharing in the perks we have allowed them to appropriate for themselves, expecting them to actually do what's best for the country (for once) is the height of stupidity.

The situation will not change until Choom Boy and every worthless leech in D.C. has been swept away. That includes ridding the government of all their enablers in the various branches who are also slurping greedily at the public teat.

Of course it also means doing away with all the weak-kneed eunuchs in the media who support them (both on their side and -- supposedly -- ours) as well.

We don't have the will to do that. So we are doomed to sit by and watch as our once-great nation is transformed into a third-world shithole that will take its place among loser countries like Kenya, Zimbabwe and North Korea.

The Lords of Washington may "own" the collapse, but it is we who will suffer it.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 09, 2012 06:29 PM (yKUrR)

19
Funny how exactly no one in DC is advocating anything to boost economic
growth or reducing spending. I suppose that's just too far outside of
"mainstream" thought anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 06:24 PM (yiIja)

It really is rather astounding along with letting Obama's uwise choices bury us , Are they just going for the LIB also?

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:30 PM (nqBYe)

20 "14 I am very confused at why this is so stupid?

I thought the whole premise of LIB was to give Obama everything he asks for, and watch as the country goes down in flames.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (E1Vkf) "

Well, you'd want to give him everything he wants while screaming "This is fucking stupid and we're all going to die because of it, you fucking imbecile." That is different from "Hey, your ideas are not so bad, and maybe we can make them work."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 06:31 PM (aLLUm)

21 Socialists vs. wusses. Definitely time for a new party.

Posted by: Libra at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (kd8U8)

22 5
chair? I would like to Move that we change the name of the Grand Ole Party (GOP) to Dumb Ole Party Establishment.... or DOPE....



Can I get a second?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 06:19 PM

Thread winner, and seconded

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (wwsoB)

23 Great post and summary, by the way. Keep up the good work, DrewM.

Posted by: Laffin_fool at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (lmRB1)

24 When Corker first ran, every ad used the phrase "Conservative Bob Corker." You could almost think that Convervative was his given name. He has shown he can be educated, unlike Lamar! Alexander, but his instincts are solidly RINO.

Posted by: Tregonsee at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (QnBmw)

25 They should never have opposed tax hikes for all those Republican voters in the top 2% anyway. Too late now. Entitlement reform ain't gonna happen as long as 81% of voters think Rs don't give a flying fuck about them.

Posted by: kartoffel at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (OgNv0)

26
They are also gutless. Hell, no one likes them anyway. What are they so worried about?

Posted by: huerfano at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (bAGA/)

27 All I know is if we go over the fiscal cliff, the Republicans will get all the blame followed by Obama getting all the credit for restoring the middle class tax cuts. If Obamacare drags down the economy as expected, it won't be blamed, it will be the Republicans fault for taking us over the cliff.

End result, Democrats win big in 2014 and have total control for two years with no moderation from Obama, because he's not running for re-election.

Posted by: zippy at December 09, 2012 06:32 PM (n422X)

28 Zimbabwe and North Korea.

The Lords of Washington may "own" the collapse, but it is we who will suffer it.


Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 09, 2012 06:29 PM (yKUrR)

Oh i just imagine them fluffing their nest eggs , when tshtf they can takeoff and enjoy a life of leisure.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:33 PM (nqBYe)

29 Step 2: ???

Step 2: Tax revenue collapse

This is slow burn strategy that always plays well with the populist public. But the public is stupid and believes this will actually increase revenue. The media, the president, dopes like Krugman are all telling them so.

You can't fight that perception with words, it can only be fought with adverse results, and even then the Democrats trot out the "fairness" card in defense of failures.

I think Corker is saying the "Tax the rich" hill isn't the one to die on because all the perception influencing mechanisms are lined up against you.

Of course bleeding the rich doesn't result in entitlement reforms, because they lie and would repudiate any deals down the road. Indeed, entitlement reform isn't even Step 3 -- lowering the bar on what constitutes "the rich" is Step 3 after tax revenue declines.

The mechanisms to accomplish that are already in place and being activated. AMT, inflation, non-progressive taxes/fees/surtaxes, etc.

The Democrats, "rich" rhetoric aside, know where the money is and they're already preparing to come after it. The public won't believe its happening until they get the tax bill though and start feeling the squeeze.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 06:33 PM (2RJQo)

30 Tax the poor. These people need to pay their fair share- get some skin in the game


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:34 PM (8sCoq)

31 Free Shit Army riots in Ohio

Police Called When Crowd Signing Up For Housing List Gets 'Out Of Control'

http://tinyurl.com/b3wrpk7

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 06:35 PM (wwsoB)

32
I have a new policy of pretending that I temporarily live in France. I don't get upset by what I see going on around me because it's no longer my country. Instead of stressed out, it just makes all of the problems around me interesting local color.

"Gee, New France sure spends a lot of borrowed money."
"Wow, there are sure a lot of illegal immigrants burning cars over here in New France."

My strategy will work, at least until they come for my children or guns.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 09, 2012 06:35 PM (MNWe/)

33 Later, all.

God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 06:37 PM (aLLUm)

34 BTW if you missed the end of the Skins/Ravens game, you missed the best 5 or so minutes of football you're likely to see all season. High drama, heroics, agony and ecstasy.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 06:37 PM (8sCoq)

35 "Entitlement reform" will happen, probably by running completely out of resources and cutting people off en masse.

Kind of a multi-trillion-dollar version of "better all of nothing than part of something."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 06:38 PM (bxiXv)

36 Oh i just imagine them fluffing their nest eggs , when tshtf they can takeoff and enjoy a life of leisure.

That may be their plan to the extent they have any, but where exactly is going to be 'safe.' The rest of the world is significantly less interested in anyone's rights, much less foreigners, than we are.

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 06:38 PM (hO9ad)

37 I hate these mofo's. LIB.

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 06:39 PM (z/wx3)

38
It really is rather astounding along with letting Obama's uwise choices bury us , Are they just going for the LIB also?

They won't get burned. They'll make sure they and their families will never be harmed by the collapse. It will only be we the people who get burned.

We have managed to install into power the very people responsible for our demise. We are fucking idiots.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 06:39 PM (yiIja)

39 Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:33 PM (nqBYe)

You've nailed the problem. Just like all the other BS floating by, the Congress (or the President) may "own" the recession, but they'll never pay a dime in fees, regulation compliance costs, or taxes because of it. They'll expire or retire sucking on the special government teat that they designed just in case it all goes to hell.


I have made it a rule to put all guns in the gun safe on Sunday AM, because I can't afford to replace another HD TV.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 06:39 PM (Cnqmv)

40 Entitlement Reform will probably come the same way the Greeks are getting it, by running out of other peoples money

One big dump that landed on TFG's head on his Asia trip was his attempt to line up a trade alliance that excluded China

The Asian nations refused Obama's offer, and instead joined an alliance set up by China that froze out America

The MBM didn't feel that was a big deal since they ignored it. Historic trip and all that, and how Asians just LOVE TFG

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2012 06:40 PM (wwsoB)

41 I think Corker is saying the "Tax the rich" hill isn't the one to die on because all the perception influencing mechanisms are lined up against you.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 06:33 PM (2RJQo)


And it's less work to die without having to climb a hill first.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 06:41 PM (bxiXv)

42
Shucks, this isn't anything a handful of platinum coins couldn't fix.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2012 06:42 PM (8VAP0)

43
It is interesting that Republicans can never seem to negotiate the spending cuts and reforms first, with the promise of raising taxes later.

Why do Republicans let Democrats set the agenda in these matters?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 06:42 PM (1Y+hH)

44 Until recently (the last 4 years), I thought the GOP was full of stupid politicians who couldn't negotiate their way out of a paper bag.

Now I actually believe that they know exactly what they're doing and only act stupid for the rank and file.

They actually want the same things the Dems want, only slower.

LIB.


Posted by: quarkstud at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (libqS)

45 It is no wonder the LiB caucus keeps gaining strength.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (GE1+K)

46
@4: "this apparently is not the hill the GOP is willing to die on.....oh wait......there are no hills!"

Sure there are: (1) abortion, a fight which was decided nearly 40 years ago; and (2) restrictions on CEO compensation.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (2SX1f)

47 Sorry Drew, Corker is right.

"Starving the Beast" was Reagan's biggest blunder. Only when the American public is made to pay in full for its own government will it come to realize just how bad thing have gotten.

The Republican's should raise taxes, and well beyond Obama's demands. They should raise taxes and keep raising them until the deficit is eliminated in its entirety; and insist that every future increase in the debt will be paid for in advance by additional taxes.

Only then will the public come to appreciate the advantage of limited government.

There is no other way.

Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (6VB4r)

48 Anyone see a common theme in the Free Shit Army?

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (z/wx3)

49 I saw a production of 1776 the other night that left me choked up. I tried to start a brawl afterward by loudly observing that "that's when we had patriots", but none of the other theatergoers would tangle, probably because they were all like 90.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (85EaA)

50 At some point, there needs to be bounties on RINOs.

The world can't wait.

Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (qBLA2)

51 Just like all the other BS floating by, the Congress
(or the President) may "own" the recession, but they'll never pay a
dime in fees, regulation compliance costs, or taxes because of it.
They'll expire or retire sucking on the special government teat that
they designed just in case it all goes to hell.





Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 06:39 PM (Cnqmv)

I imagine if they were held responsible for all the laws regulations they hold us shlubs too , The laws would change quickly to a more representative country.Methos, yep, and what country won't be affected by our collapse.
Backwards , agree!

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:44 PM (nqBYe)

52 My friends, there is no hill worth dying on! But if we are really lucky,there may be ashes we can rebuild on!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 06:44 PM (Cnqmv)

53 Meremortal, doesn't i seems Dems have been setting the agenda since around 2006?" financially and socially?

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (nqBYe)

54 it seem*

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (nqBYe)

55
@8: "Only Democrats care about Skin Color"

Yeah, and Michael Steele got his job just on competence. The fact that Rubio is hispanic means nothing; Mia Love wasn't popular because she was black; people don't want to see Alan West advance because he's black; Powell and Rice weren't promoted based on race, etc.
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:46 PM (2SX1f)

56 Yeah, and Michael Steele got his job just on competence. The fact that
Rubio is hispanic means nothing; Mia Love wasn't popular because she was
black; people don't want to see Alan West advance because he's black;
Powell and Rice weren't promoted based on race, etc.
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone

You are correct - except that in these cases, the choice is for the patriot.

That ain't happenin in Chicago

Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 06:48 PM (qBLA2)

57 Just let the muthafucka burn. We went over the fiscal cliff in September 2008 anyway. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 06:48 PM (kpCLl)

58
Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (6VB4r)
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Why would people in government want people to believe in limited government?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:48 PM (85EaA)

59 I'm sure Ace would have had something to say about this if he weren't on vacation.

Posted by: Bildo at December 09, 2012 06:49 PM (eToum)

60 >>>decided nearly 40 years ago

With that attitude we can conclusively say mans choice to be dominated has been similarly "decided" and no further debate is needed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 06:49 PM (GE1+K)

61 If a male prostitute claims he's straight, but keeps giving up the goodies without getting paid, you've got to wonder if he's lying about being straight. That's the Republican politicians. Gay prostitutes.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at December 09, 2012 06:49 PM (MNWe/)

62 Sure there are: (1) abortion, a fight which was decided nearly 40 years ago;

Yeah because Mitt and McCain both campaigned aggressively to protect our most defenseless citizens.

Whatever, babykiller.

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 06:49 PM (hO9ad)

63 Anyone who is on Twitter, can you help me get out of the gulag? I made the mistake of arguing (VERY gently) with a liberal about gay couples having kids, and next thing I know I'm suspended. It's been two days now.

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 06:50 PM (qe2/V)

64 "Why would people in government want people to believe in limited government?"

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:48 PM (85EaA)

Fucking obvious.

And it needs to be repeated because apparently there is a majority in this country that just does not get it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 06:50 PM (GsoHv)

65
@10: "Funny how exactly no one in DC is advocating anything to boost economic growth or reducing spending. I suppose that's just too far outside of "mainstream" thought anymore."

Which party were you expecting to try that approach? The national socialists, or the international socialists? The Trotskyists or the Leninists?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:51 PM (2SX1f)

66
Why do Republicans let Democrats set the agenda in these matters?

It's the Brash Boldness of Bullshit. They know that the MFM is on their side and the skrewels have dumbed down the populace.They can say anything, no matter how unrealistic (like TFG raising taxes is "fair") and it will be broadcast as The Gospel and any dissention (like common sense) is "extreme."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 06:51 PM (yiIja)

67 Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (nqBYe)


We can't even get the language straight as the libs have corrupted that so much that you cannot have an intelligent discussion of almost anything.

Pro-abortion -> Pro-choice
Deductions-> Loopholes
Taxes -> Revenue
Awarding No-bid Government Contracts to Cronies -> Goverment Investments "in the future"
Government control of all medical care -> Health Care

etc.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 06:51 PM (Cnqmv)

68 I say they trade it for something equally Alinsky-ish that will help our side. They should agree to raise the rates on the highest 1% if a law is also passed that requires politicians to put substantially all of their assets in a trust tied to the inflation adjusted GDP of the country. That way the only way they prosper is if the country prospers. The only argument the Dems could use against it is that they want to retain the ability to get rich off the misery and dislocation that they cause through their policies. Either that or they could resort to free market principles of liberty and individual rights... HA! Either way it is a neat trap for them and would both change the subject and require them to put their money where their mouth is. It would give the Republicans a chance to make the argument that the Democrats are only interested in lining their own pockets at our expense... just like the much demonized 1%.

The 1% in Congress have not only money but power so it is important that all of the incentives that influence their behavior are structured properly. The Congress is the most hated institution in the country so there won't be many people who would be against it.

But the main reason I would like to see this happen is that instead of fighting over how we are going to rob and limit the freedoms of the people we would be arguing about how to rob and limit the freedoms of Congressmen. What is good for the goose...

Posted by: Voluble at December 09, 2012 06:52 PM (qYvEa)

69 I am very confused at why this is so stupid?

I thought the whole premise of LIB was to give Obama everything he asks for, and watch as the country goes down in flames. Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 09, 2012 06:27 PM (E1Vkf)___ ____ _____ _____ ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ Glad to help as this is easily explained. You are laboring under the misconception that there is some scenario under which "It" does not burn."Let It Burn" is not causation, it is acceptance of the inevitable.Attempting the repetition of former failed negotiations is stupid. Give them the cliff, they created it, even though they now insist that what they created will bring about disaster.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 06:52 PM (1Y+hH)

70 arguing (VERY gently) with a liberal about gay couples having kids, and next thing I know I'm suspended

No shit, rockmom?!? So, one is not allowed "politically incorrect" opinions on twitter? Very glad I never signed up. That is appalling!

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 06:53 PM (kpCLl)

71 It's easy because the GOP is loaded with primarily unprincipled statists who do not believe as you and I do and tread the path of least resistance.

When Boehner and the GOP had the opportunity to start us toward fiscal sanity and refuse to raise the debt ceiling did they fight?

No, they sought the path of least resistance and cobbled together this grand turd we now call the fiscal cliff.

Now they have to fight over this deal, will they fight?

No, they will cave because they do not have the will to fight, they will instead cobble together a deal wherein the President and the Democrats get what they want now and the GOP will get to fight over what they were promised at a later date.

And when the President reneges on the deal and puts up a fight over the "cuts" he agreed to he will say this or that has changed and he can now not support what he had agreed to previously.

ON AND ON, WE HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE1

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 06:54 PM (0fxcV)

72 Yes, national-level Republican politicians truly believe their Democratic counterparts, as well as President Obama and his political allies, want a strong, prosperous, exceptional America.

Fools.

Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2012 06:54 PM (ptcFO)

73 >>>but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone.

Right that's why the GOP redistricted Wests district into nothing. Exactly.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 09, 2012 06:54 PM (GE1+K)

74 Even a loser can win when he's up against a defeatist. That's been TFG's secret to success.He will continue to "succeed" until we can get the defeatists on our side the hell out of the way.

Posted by: Leonard Pinth-Garnell at December 09, 2012 06:55 PM (PtuJp)

75
I think we all knew they would cave since the day after the election. None of this is much of a surprise other than they open their stupid mouths to pretend they didn't mean to do it all along.

I wouldn't doubt they have already decided who gets to vote yes and who gets to vote no. Its a scam.

The only difference between the two parties is how the spoils of their confiscation gets split.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 06:55 PM (n/ubI)

76 Meremortal, doesn't i seems Dems have been setting the agenda since around 2006?" financially and socially?
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:45 PM (nqBYe)___ _ ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___They've gotten away with setting the agenda since Kennedy as far as I can tell.They are able to do so because they control two very powerful and influential institutions, education and media. Democrats have also controlled congress most of the time for the last half-century.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 06:55 PM (1Y+hH)

77 Republican Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) told me Sunday on ABC News’ “This Week” that he is willing to accept tax rate increases as a component of a fiscal cliff deal, as long as Democrats put “significant entitlement reform” on the table.

“What we ought to be working on is the other 93 percent, because even if you do what [Obama] wants to do on tax rates, you only affect 7 percent of the deficit,” Coburn said. “What we have done is spend ourselves into a hole, and we’re not going to raise taxes and borrow money and get out of it.”

“And so will I accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? Yes,” he said.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 09, 2012 06:56 PM (vhwRj)

78 I think Republican politicians know we are powerless to avoid the cliff and just wanna look like going off the cliff is what they had planned to do.

What do you want this guy to do, admit he has no control over anything?

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 06:56 PM (a0nis)

79 i wonder once even the Obamamandatetaxes hit if many more homeowners/small business's will walk away.

guess we'll see.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:56 PM (nqBYe)

80 Isn't he just falling in line with "Let It Burn"?

I mean, except for that laughable part about entitlement reform.

Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2012 06:56 PM (OZPoa)

81 Republicans NEED to say they want to go over the cliff. Except they need to stop calling it the cliff. And call it needed spending reform that is bipartisan.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 09, 2012 06:58 PM (/1U3u)

82 30
Tax the poor.


This is the Democrat's unstated (for obvious reasons) long term strategy. The whole "tax the rich" thing is just a shiny populist object designed to consume media bandwidth. This was FDR's strategy too. Regressive type taxes/fees/surtaxes that disproportionately impacted the low/middle class increased about 250% with the New Deal.

Obama signaled this within the first two weeks he was in office with tax hikes on booze, tobacco, and gasoline taxes. Now we've got some new regressive medical device taxes as well, so they intend to come after the sick and elderly too.

Like cops say about perps - ignore what they say, watch their hands

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 06:58 PM (2RJQo)

83 Doesn't much matter if they have an R or a D after their name, they are all spineless, shit-eating crapweasels. I am so close to just checking out on all the bullshit, save time, drink more.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (kpCLl)

84 every year we get the the deficit/debt ceiling talks.
every year Republicans have buckled after first saying ,'Hey we got billions in cuts.'

by the end of the deals it seems as if 40.97 cents was cut.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (nqBYe)

85 I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, that 2 are called a law firm, and that 3 or more become a Congress.

Posted by: USS Diversity Adams at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (85EaA)

86 Can you register Libertarian or do you just go Indy?Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (85EaA) ___ ____ _____ _____ ____I gave up on Republicans in 2007 and registered "unaffiliated" in Colorado. I did so as Republicanswere demonstrating no interest in saving the country from fiscal insolvency.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (1Y+hH)

87 When you sacrifice your principles for electability you wind up with nothing - either you get an unprincipled loser or you lose.

Does anybody here want to defend Scott Brown's Dodd-Frank vote now? Would it not have been better for him to be principled? What good did his whoring do?


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (uhAkr)

88 How does a guy who has staked his entire career on the receipt of entitlements, vote against entitlements?

Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (qBLA2)

89
@60: "With that attitude we can conclusively say mans choice to be dominated has been similarly "decided" and no further debate is needed. "

Exactly how much "debate" do you see going on over it? The only political parties that actually stand for liberty and individual freedom miniscule. Virtually the whole country sits on its hands as rights turned to licenses, etc. The only debatesare between "more socialism now" and "much more socialism now" and "stalinism now" or "ridiculous levels of stalinism now".

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (2SX1f)

90 Let it burn.

Posted by: abnjm at December 09, 2012 07:00 PM (cITpp)

91 Yeah, rockmom, we totally get to enjoy the first amendment rights. JFC! I can't take this shit anymore!

Hubby's getting even more re-loading supplies for Christmas. Am I allowed to say Christmas?

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (S+/pH)

92 Doesn't much matter if they have an R or a D after their name, they are all spineless, shit-eating crapweasels. I am so close to just checking out on all the bullshit, save time, drink more.
Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (kpCLl)___ ____ ____ _ ___ ___ ____ __ _Sure Peaches, but just like me, you can't resist watching it come down. I raise my glass to your sentiment though. Sutter Home Merlot.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (1Y+hH)

93 Let it burn? Lets throw some fucking gas on it.

Lets see what they have.

Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (qBLA2)

94
I think Republican politicians know we are powerless to avoid the cliff and just wanna look like going off the cliff is what they had planned to do.

It's the Pee Wee Herman School of Political Thought. "I meant to do that."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (yiIja)

95
FFS, if the repubs wanted to raise taxes, at least go after democrat constituencies. Dumbasses, architects of their own demise.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (n/ubI)

96 When he hits me, it really means he loves me.

Posted by: Bob Corker at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (uhAkr)

97 LET. IT. BURN!

Posted by: Hemerrhoids at December 09, 2012 07:02 PM (jucos)

98 >Anyone who is on Twitter, can you help me get out of
the gulag? I made the mistake of arguing (VERY gently) with a liberal
about gay couples having kids, and next thing I know I'm suspended.
It's been two days now.

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 06:50 PM (qe2/V)

I got suspended for no apparent reason and emailed Twitter demanding an explanation. They said it was a mistake and restored my account. Try that.Also the twitter banhammer swings both ways. next time someone's in a twit, report them.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 07:02 PM (8sCoq)

99 So where is that asshole getting his Ambassadorship?

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 09, 2012 07:02 PM (LPShR)

100 They actually want the same things the Dems want, only slower.

Posted by: quarkstud at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (libqS)


Pretty much. There was a big poll (I hatefully can't find) years back about beltway vs. non-beltway people's opinions on governance, and insider Republicans were more like outsider Democrats than Republicans.

They *live* in the government. Of course they don't want it to be smaller.

They should raise taxes and keep raising them until the deficit is eliminated in its entirety; and insist that every future increase in the debt will be paid for in advance by additional taxes.

Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 06:43 PM (6VB4r)


Increased revenue is ALWAYS spent, it never goes to pay down debt unless you have a MASSIVE push against new spending, which we sure as HELL will not have in the near future.

You can't possibly raise revenue fast enough to keep up with the desires of the Free Shit Army.

We had a couple of moments of resolution when that did happen, like when our post-9/11 defs fell from 600+ to 250 billion - but even then we weren't paying off any debt.

Then the fucktards voted in an all-Democrat government, and everything went to Trillion-Dollar Hell.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 07:02 PM (bxiXv)

101 Burn Baby Burn!
It burns when I pee on Corker and Bohners face, do I have Sycophantietis!
I wouldn't pee on Obama if he was on fire cause I might get Impotitis and Vaja would laugh herself to death as I took her job.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 09, 2012 07:03 PM (1gpX9)

102 Pee Wee Herman = John Boehner

Is it just me?

Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 07:03 PM (qBLA2)

103
"Let it burn" is an idea. I just hope you're prepared for the real world consequences of that idea. 'Cause it'll make the LA riots look like a walk in the park on a sunny day.
Realistically, it's too late to keep it from burning. Has been too late for at least a decade, more like two or three decades.
Best you can hope for is to lay the ground work for what comes next...andhope that you canavoid 'Kerensky's Mistakes' during the process.

...but you're gonna need lots of body bags before it's all said and done. War, starvation, disease...things like that.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (WwR1j)

104 Y'know, these fellows with the machine guns are really nice. So what if they're trying to rob the bank?

Posted by: Bob Corker at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (uhAkr)

105
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 09, 2012 06:59 PM (uhAkr)
___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___

___ ___


It is hard to hold to your principles and face defeat. It is much worse to compromise your principles and still face defeat.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (1Y+hH)

106 Drew Brees sucks, just saying.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 07:05 PM (ZOf1l)

107 My Momma said Daddy left because I cried too much.

Posted by: Gen. Eric Republican at December 09, 2012 07:05 PM (jucos)

108 If i slid the tin foil hat on , i would almost believe that this wouldn't be drawback to Obama's hopes for the country.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:05 PM (nqBYe)

109 i wish lib wasn't really our future.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:06 PM (nqBYe)

110 Bob Corker, Lamar Alexander, Lane Kiffin, boy do we know how to pick 'em here in the volunteer state.

Posted by: Bildo at December 09, 2012 07:07 PM (eToum)

111 It is hard to hold to your principles and face defeat. It is much worse to compromise your principles and still face defeat.

This is why the Democrat position has always been to have no principles at all. Once you've liberated yourself from the straightjacket of that quaint notion, all things are possible.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:07 PM (2RJQo)

112 Oh, and for the people in urban areas who think the medical device tax on veterinary supplies only apply to little doggies and kitties... No, they also apply to beef, dairy, pork, chickens... In other words, in addition to the whole ethanol BS, they are going to make food as unaffordable as energy. The other kind of energy, I'm scared. I work in an animal ag industry, and it's not doing well. At all. Food shortages are on the very near horizon. Glad my lawn is looking good.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:07 PM (S+/pH)

113 >
i wish lib wasn't really our future.


Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:06 PM (nqBYe)


I believe multi-state crime sprees are our future.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 07:07 PM (8sCoq)

114 Bob Michel would be so proud.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at December 09, 2012 07:07 PM (2Oas0)

115

Yes ette, you'd think just once the Republicans would say, "We promise to raise taxes 12 months after these cuts take effect" and then list them. And then fold their arms and wait.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:08 PM (1Y+hH)

116 They are not stupid. We are. For believing in them.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 07:09 PM (veOhm)

117 Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said Sunday that he’s “beginning to believe” that falling in line with President Obama’s call to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans, then shifting the focus to reforming entitlements “is the best route for us to take” on the “fiscal cliff.”

Hey, I got an idea.

Now, call me crazy--I don't have a long career in politics like our leaders do--but it might, just might, help if we explained why entitlements are the problem *right now*.

For instance, how long would it take you to explain that taxes are increasing faster than revenue?

30 seconds.

Did that quote take you longer than 30 seconds to spit out?

Yep.

Then why the fuck haven't you or anybody else in the leadership explained that spending is increasing faster than revenue? Why hasn't anybody mentioned that this tax rollback would take care of less than 10% of the deficit.

Is this that fucking difficult? Do you have anything that could do more to advance your case that you're saying? No? Then why aren't you fucking doing it? Why even bother going in front of a camera if nobody is going to make the most basic point necessary to back up their arguments?

These are not arcane or difficult to make points. If anybody's reading this who's involved in messaging for any of our leaders: What's wrong with you?

Posted by: AD at December 09, 2012 07:09 PM (2vUZT)

118 Meremortal,

i guess it is best to lose faith now, and quit being surprised or shocked at the irresponsibility to the future.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:10 PM (nqBYe)

119
@62: "Yeah because Mitt and McCain both campaigned aggressively to protect our most defenseless citizens."
Todd Akin and othersrespectfully disagree. There may be individual GOPers who don't, but there are plenty of "singleissue voters"who are fanatically fighting a war that was lost long ago. Yet oddly, none who really put their money where their mouth is. Virtually every state allows for the use of lethal force to protect the life of another - it's considered justifiable homicide. If someone really believes that "abortion is murder" well....

"Whatever, babykiller."
Leftists choose kill their own kids. Given that Leftists are my enemies,it distubs me not a bit.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:11 PM (2SX1f)

120 "Yeah, and Michael Steele got his job just on
competence. The fact that Rubio is hispanic means nothing; Mia Love
wasn't popular because she was black; people don't want to see Alan West
advance because he's black; Powell and Rice weren't promoted based on
race, etc.
Granted, it's rarely a *solely*-because-of-race thing, but the GOP is just as happy to play racial check-box politics as anyone.


Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 06:46 PM (2SX1f)

So? Democrats have infested the party. Corker, for instance.

Only Democrats care about skin color.


Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 07:11 PM (O6t4T)

121 >i guess it is best to lose faith now, and quit being surprised or shocked at the irresponsibility to the future.


Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:10 PM (nqBYe)


Lie back, and think of the Reagan administration.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 07:12 PM (8sCoq)

122 There's pretty much only two states where things make any sense anymore - Oklahoma and Texas.

Posted by: Not an Artist at December 09, 2012 07:12 PM (uRumV)

123 Why do you guys care about this shit? You know goddamn good and well the Repubics are going to either pussy out or lose in the court of public opinion. It doesn't matter anymore, fuck it. Let. It . Burn.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 07:12 PM (ZOf1l)

124 Seahawks 51/zip! Theresa! You must be lurking! Oh, forgot you're a cowboys fan!

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:13 PM (S+/pH)

125 Omfg I was just fighting with Boy BFF about this. He said pretty much exactly that, give the tax increases and then demand entitlement reform. I asked him if he was fucking high. The only time the Dems will even broach entitlement reform is when the barbarians have breached the gates.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 07:14 PM (Gk3SS)

126 Let it burn? Lets throw some fucking gas on it.

Lets see what they have.


Posted by: georgepatton at December 09, 2012 07:01 PM (qBLA2)

Now we're talkin'

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:14 PM (kpCLl)

127
@73: "Right that's why the GOP redistricted Wests district into nothing. Exactly."
He got elected once; he served his purpose. Beyond that, the GOP views hispanics, not blacks, as the future - and thus the more important demographic.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:14 PM (2SX1f)

128 Second look at Harold Ford, he's been good against the auto bailout, but i'm a blank after that, wait he was reelected this time, yikes.

Posted by: phillip fry at December 09, 2012 07:15 PM (ctjsq)

129 Beyond that, the GOP views hispanics, not blacks, as the future - and thus the more important demographic.

Too bad they're about 40 years too late with that particular revelation.

How you doin', Fa Cube? Haven't seen you in ages!

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (kpCLl)

130 Hi peaches!

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (S+/pH)

131 The only time the Dems will even broach entitlement reform is when the barbarians have breached the gates.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 07:14 PM (Gk3SS)


Actually the history of the left indicates they will definitely "reform" entitlements when they have what they see as unchallengeable control, primarily by getting rid of recipients (slaughtering peasants).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (bxiXv)

132
@87: "Does anybody here want to defend Scott Brown's Dodd-Frank vote now? Would it not have been better for him to be principled? What good did his whoring do?"

He already secured his pension and benefits. What does he care either way?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (2SX1f)

133 Shut up! Harold Ford is nothing more than a typical fucking pussy. Quit pining your hopes on some fucking loser.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 07:17 PM (ZOf1l)

134 We mustn't forget who are pussies w/o arms, and who are not pussies, with arms. That's my solace.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:18 PM (S+/pH)

135 but you're gonna need lots of body bags before it's all said and done. War, starvation, disease...things like that.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (WwR1j)


As long as we have bio-diesel for the Cat D-9s, comrade, we don't need no steenkin' body bags!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:19 PM (Cnqmv)

136 131
Actually the history of the left indicates they will definitely "reform" entitlements when they have what they see as unchallengeable control, primarily by getting rid of recipients (slaughtering peasants).
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (bxiXv)
---

Yes.

Posted by: Too late for finals at December 09, 2012 07:20 PM (BgIBZ)

137 Let. it. burn. = 40 years of liberal dominance of government.
If everything goes to hell, where will the public turn to? Primarily to government. And which party is the party of government?If I have to answer that then you're not paying attention.

Posted by: GreenEyeshade at December 09, 2012 07:20 PM (cf20q)

138 I said it before: Agree to all of Obama's tax increases...in 2015 and spending cuts now.

Play their game.

Failing that, counterpropose a tax increase on the 0.1%. They vote Democrat anyway.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 09, 2012 07:20 PM (T0NGe)

139
@129: "How you doin', Fa Cube? Haven't seen you in ages!"

Hi, Peaches. Work has had me jumping like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest for almost a year now. Things have *finally* slowed to the point where I can breathe again.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:20 PM (2SX1f)

140 Time to send Corker a dozen or so video clips of Lucy yanking the ball just before Charlie Brown kicks it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at December 09, 2012 07:21 PM (L7hol)

141 Actually the history of the left indicates they will
definitely "reform" entitlements when they have what they see as
unchallengeable control, primarily by getting rid of recipients
(slaughtering peasants).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 09, 2012 07:16 PM (bxiXv)




Hmmm. Good point.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 07:21 PM (Gk3SS)

142 Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:20 PM (2SX1f)

Well, it's very nice to see you back here at the HQ. Glad you are getting a little respite. Still one of my favorite nics of all time!!

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:22 PM (kpCLl)

143 Hi, Kalneva!!! {{{{{}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:22 PM (kpCLl)

144 @117

Because the government as constituted presently is not about solving problems it's about securing political advantage.


As you say, 3.5T in spending - 2.4 Trillion in revenues = 1.1 Trillion Deficit.

1.1 Trillion Deficit + 50 Billion in new Spending - 160 Billion in new taxes (max) = 1Trillion dollar deficit.


Now this is very easy to explain and understand. I have yet to see anyone explain it this way. This would be perfect for a whiteboard.

Now the Democrats taxing and spending and obfuscating is well within their accepted principles and tactics.

The base principle of the Republican party was it's aversion to taxes now they will be going against a main tenant of their party.

And furthermore they know the amount of taxes to be raised is insignificant and will do not one bit of good, NOT ONE BIT and in fact it will make things worse as it will take money out of the hands of the very people who could best make use of it.



Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:22 PM (0fxcV)

145 Saints you suck.

Posted by: USS Diversity Adams at December 09, 2012 07:24 PM (85EaA)

146 The Republican Party is no longer the party of Lincoln.

It's the party of Phillipe Pétain and Vidkun Quisling.
I am now utterly, totally, completely finished with the GOP.

THIRD PARTY, and/or LET IT BURN.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2012 07:25 PM (XkWWK)

147 So while devising this strategy someone thought - how could we lose if we just surrender first. But, um, I, a, what? ...facepalm.

Posted by: FURPC at December 09, 2012 07:25 PM (0ImZM)

148 and in fact it will make things worse as it will take money out of the hands of the very people who could best make use of it.





Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:22 PM (0fxcV)



That's the problem, though, Our Betters in Congress, no matter the party, do not believe that we the people can make the best us of money. In fact, I see no evidence that Our Betters view it as the citizen's money. All evidence seems to point to a belief that money belongs to the government first and then the government graciously gives us some back.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 07:26 PM (Gk3SS)

149 Since Obama doesn't want a deal, pretending to be willing to give him one would be a clever strategy to make him show his hand. Of course, that takes clever people with balls. Nope. None of those around.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 09, 2012 07:27 PM (6H6FZ)

150
Ette, keep faith in yourself and those close to you. Any that don't deserve your faith should not be close to you.


And yes, always be the observer, not just a reactionary. Remain grounded in your own space and observe everything else. Consider what you see and act accordingly. Not inemotional reaction butthrough goals, action plans and perserverence.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:27 PM (1Y+hH)

151 The Republican's should raise taxes, and well beyond Obama's demands.
They should raise taxes and keep raising them until the deficit is
eliminated in its entirety; and insist that every future increase in the
debt will be paid for in advance by additional taxes.


So dumb it isn't even wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2012 07:28 PM (Xefrb)

152

Haha, I'm a corny bastard after a couple of glasses of wine.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:29 PM (1Y+hH)

153 I'm so sad that its already Sunday evening. Work sucks. I almost can feel the 47%. JK! But I've said that too many times. Just the product of having worked my ass off all my life. My poor old father, 72, sits in his chair all day, doing crossword puzzles, and reading library books. Hubby wonders why he doesn't do anything. I reply, he doesn't have to, anymore. Dad "says", fuckit. I'm going to spend my remaining years doing what I want. I agree. I will read and read. Eyes might not cooperate, though.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:32 PM (S+/pH)

154
America, being the most advanced society in world history, and therefore the smartest, required the most advanced form of defeat in world history. We could not be defeated militarily, so our enemies defeated us socially. We've had our culture removed from us, in addition to our government.

You gotta hand it to them: they told us exactly what they were going to do and how they were going to do it: taking over education, media and the arts. Because we weren't willing to do what was necessary to remove the threat, we're now livingthe results. It was Kruschev, IIRC, who said, "Your grandchildren will be Communists." He was right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 07:32 PM (yiIja)

155 Fuckers should say, fine, 77% tax rate on everyone, across the board, that's the only way to actually fix the problem, let's do it. Let's do it now.

And then let it burn. I believe this would qualify as throwing gasoline on the fire. I will not only vote for, but will send a campaign contribution to, the first asshole who comes out strong for this.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:33 PM (kpCLl)

156
“Republicans know that they have the debt ceiling coming up right around the corner,” Sen. Corker said. “The leverage is going to shift to our side. We are going to do the same thing we did last time; if the president wants to raise the level by two trillion, we get two trillion in spending reductions.”




Your mean the two trillion in fake manana spending reductions? Those spending reductions?

What a greenhorn....


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 07:34 PM (kdS6q)

157 Recent stats show that California INCREASED taxes.... and Tax Revenues DECREASED....

Laffer Curve.... For Teh Win....

Now... if the REPUBS could just talk about the HISTORY of this....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 07:36 PM (lZBBB)

158 So this is what a cheery post-election blog looks like! So glad I dropped in!


Fa Cube, good to see you back!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:36 PM (Cnqmv)

159 O/T

Special Forces guy dies saving fucking do gooder dr in Afghanistan and the NY Slime has no story about it, BUT they do have a story about some fucking Mexican pop singer dying in a plane crash.

Fuck.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 07:37 PM (wR+pz)

160 Leftists choose kill their own kids. Given that Leftists are my enemies,it distubs me not a bit.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at December 09, 2012 07:11 PM (2SX1f)

Fuck.Okay, when I can think of a counter to that angle that doesn't also support intervention in Syria, I promise to get back to you.
And sorry about the insult, haven't seen you in a while and forgot you were a regular. We've had a whole mess of trolls lately.

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 07:37 PM (hO9ad)

161 And furthermore they know the amount of taxes to be raised is insignificant and will do not one bit of good

The smart Democrats, and there are some (ex Charlie Rangel, 150 IQ, INTJ personality type) with a clue about how the government works, would freely admit this in private conversation. They'd never admit it in public though.

They know this is just populist propaganda laying the groundwork for going after the real money in the middle class.

We'll have a 91% tax bracket again, I'd bet my life on it. Its a necessary step towards sliding the whole bracket scheme to the right.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (2RJQo)

162 I am here to say I don't know what the right answer is. Perhaps SMOD. Other than that, I see reason and danger in all options.

My give a damn is broken, so I am just observing.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (GoIUi)

163 Bob Coker is the Lindsey Graham of TN. Actually, they have two, so is Alexander.

Both fucking swishes.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (wR+pz)

164

Corker's probably getting flooded with calls and letters from his constituents and loyal 'supporters' begging him to work with Obama.

This is how the Democrats do.

Meanwhile we do not.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (qpM85)

165 Plus, I have to add that my cumulative work product is probably equivalent to my mom and dad working two years. I'm spoiled, even at my age. My kids are probably the same. What do you call that sort of diminishing productivity along with all the extra luxuries? It is unsustainable. Pretty ironic, huh? The people who are all for sustainability? God help us.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (S+/pH)

166
BTW - The Cork is so awesome the Republicans have leveled him up to ranking member on the Foreign Relations Committee for the next Congress.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 07:39 PM (kdS6q)

167 Actually, the worse thing about Republicans is that they're really not all that different from Democrats.

Posted by: Frank Black at December 09, 2012 07:39 PM (cvysS)

168 Now... if the REPUBS could just talk about the HISTORY of this....

Too technical, too wonky.

HONEY. BOO. BOO.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:40 PM (2RJQo)

169 I was pissed off any time Scott Brown voted with the dems, especially on that Dodd-Frank bill, I did a lot to get him elected the first time but nothing this past time. If he had been a true conservative, instead of trying to be a moderate, he may have won again, or had national support like he did in the special election in 2010.

I'm glad I shut the television off today. I am reading Dick Cheney's book, I bought it when it came out, read the first 100 of so pages of it and put it aside.

BTW-Stu Stevens was one of the consultants in their 2000 campaign, Stu of the Romney consultants. I'm not sure if he was the one that spent six months this year traveling around the country settling old scores, was he?

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 07:41 PM (z4WKX)

170 @157

Don't forget Illinois raised it's state income tax 67% and it did not close the budget gap.


So at best the 1.6Trillion in new taxes the President wants would probably end up somewhere around 8oo or 900 billion.

The GOP and the Donks know this. They just don't care.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:41 PM (0fxcV)

171
think about it

probably the only feedback Republicans are receiving are from the same a-hole moonbats who call up on the "Republican line" on CSPAN

So of course the Republicans are gonna 'cave' because that's what they think their supporters want!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 07:41 PM (LPRBM)

172 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:38 PM (2RJQo)

The AMT was supposed to bit the middle class in the ass in the name of stealthy fairness, but then they had to cook the books to maintain the fiction of a non-inflationary economy, so this little zinger is just waiting out there.


Once we have the trillion dollar coins minted, however, ....

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:44 PM (Cnqmv)

173

Always remember this:

Republicans are ignorant. They don't read AoS. They don't listen to Rush. They don't read the Washington Times.

Republicans get their news from the MSM.

I'll bet half of them don't even know what Benghazi is about or Fast and Furious or anything about what the Democrats are doing.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 07:46 PM (x8mAx)

174

Once we have the trillion dollar coins minted, however, ....


This is an idea we will fight against.

Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 07:47 PM (yiIja)

175 Posted by: soothsayer at December 09, 2012 07:46 PM (x8mAx)


I would agree if you add the qualifier "Inside the beltway" to the term Republicans!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:47 PM (Cnqmv)

176 Why didn't someone think of the trillion dollar coin, before? So obvious and easy! God help us. Need more beer. Need to buy excessive quantities of barley, hops and yeast.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:48 PM (S+/pH)

177 Does "Let It Burn" mean not voting GOP in 2014?

You guys all bitch about how Democrats and Republicans are all the same, but every election year you line up and do what you're told.

Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 07:48 PM (6VB4r)

178 You hit it right out of the park with the opening sentence. This idea is so skull-jarringly dumb that only a high-ranking Republican elected official could have conceived it.

LIB.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 07:48 PM (V20sy)

179
One reason this situation is so disconcerting is that it is so unusual. We haven't experienced a road with no good forks in most people's living memory. We have no template for how to proceed.


Perhaps we must emulate the soldier who told me, "I assume I am already dead, and might as well do what needs to be done without hesitation or anguish."

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:48 PM (1Y+hH)

180 There will be no trillion dollar coins, only bills. The public will demand they be printed on toilet paper so as to retain their usefulness when the quadrillion dollar bills come out 6 months later.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:49 PM (2RJQo)

181 This is an idea we will fight against.

Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 07:47 PM (yiIja)

Not to worry, I am long on wheelbarrow manufacturing stocks (all chinese, but what's a guy to do?)!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:49 PM (Cnqmv)

182 @177

It's time to fix the glitch!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:50 PM (0fxcV)

183 George Will had a good line this AM, when said basically that in this election the American electorate had spoken, that they wanted an ever increasing amount of free stuff from the government, and and they didn't want to pay for any of it!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 09, 2012 07:52 PM (Cnqmv)

184 Oh, purpav, I went to bed last night before you replied about your brother's wife. Damn! Prayers for them.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 07:52 PM (S+/pH)

185 @177 You guys all bitch about how Democrats and Republicans are all the same,
but every election year you line up and do what you're told.


Until we don't, Jason old pal. Until we don't.

You also seem to be laboring under the delusion that we get to NOV 2014 without some sort of market dislocation. FWIW, I'm betting we don't make it to NOV 2013. Once that happens, pretty much all bets are off.

LIB means, well, don't do a damn thing to stop this necessary market collapse from happening. Make no attempts to catch the falling knives (chainsaws, actually), and do whatever can be done to make the statists, but mostly Choomy, own it. For once.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 07:53 PM (V20sy)

186
"Actually, the worse thing about Republicans is that they're really not all that different from Democrats."


We are governed by Republicrats, aconsortium ofmost Democrats and most Republicans. On the edges left and right are the far right(conservatives to us) and the far left (full-throated liberals to them).


And it's not working out very well.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:53 PM (1Y+hH)

187 Does "Let It Burn" mean not voting GOP in 2014?

Whatever it takes to speed the collapse.

I prefer a hard/fast collapse (ex Soviet Union) to some protracted affair like the slow decline of Europe.

The sooner the corpse of the USA is buried and whatever comes next emerges the better.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 07:54 PM (2RJQo)

188 Posted by: Jason at December 09, 2012 07:48 PM (6VB4r)


But we promise, THIS time it will be different!

Posted by: Boner & Bitch at December 09, 2012 07:54 PM (Cnqmv)

189 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tSo4IICBTY

On a warm summer's evenin' on a train bound for nowhere,
I met up with the gambler; we were both too tired to sleep.
So we took turns a starin' out the window at the darkness
'Til boredom overtook us, and he began to speak.

He said, "Son, I've made my life out of readin' people's faces,
And knowin' what their cards were by the way they held their eyes.
So if you don't mind my sayin', I can see you're out of aces.
For a taste of your whiskey I'll give you some advice."

So I handed him my bottle and he drank down my last swallow.
Then he bummed a cigarette and asked me for a light.
And the night got deathly quiet, and his face lost all expression.
Said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy, ya gotta learn to play it right.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."

So when he'd finished speakin', he turned back towards the window,
Crushed out his cigarette and faded off to sleep.
And somewhere in the darkness the gambler, he broke even.
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep.

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table.
There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.

Posted by: The Gambler at December 09, 2012 07:55 PM (sZTYJ)

190 I prefer a hard/fast collapse (ex Soviet Union) to some protracted affair like the slow decline of Europe.

The sooner the corpse of the USA is buried and whatever comes next emerges the better.

Yes, the bloated corpse needs to be disposed of sooner than later. The stink is getting to us all.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 07:55 PM (kpCLl)

191
Jason has a point. I left the party in 2007, but voted for McCain a few months later, and voted for Romney. I guess this is a process, and not like throwing a light switch.


The RED/BLUE game is hard to give up, even after you decide it's a sham.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 07:58 PM (1Y+hH)

192 we have no reason to expect what rises from the ash's to be good. we would not have an america to guide or assist us .

meremortal, while you may have thought your comment corny. It did have a lot of truth in it.

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 07:58 PM (nqBYe)

193 I linked this on the morning thread, but it bears repeating. It's a pretty cool graphic about the fiscal cliff:

http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/fiscal_cliff/fiscal_cliff.html

In other words, it's an illustration of our present bonedness.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:00 PM (sdi6R)

194 One terrible assumption those asshats in DC continue to make is that the degradation in our debt and economy will be smooth and gradual. Hey! We have 20-40 years to fix this (see Paul Ryan's plan for an example). While his plan is light years better than the Dem solution of doing nothing, it makes the above assumption.

But take a look at the dot com bubble and the housing bubble. They didn't collapse slowly, they collapsed practically overnight. Consider a phase change -- water gets colder and colder until some precipitating event causes it to suddenly change to ice. We are mighty cold right now.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 08:03 PM (ccXZP)

195

You are kind ette, thanks.


As to your comment, I don't think the "Burn" means there is no America. I think it just means a long period of very bad times.


America can't be destroyed. America is not a country, or even a people. America is an idea, and you can't destroy an idea.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 08:03 PM (1Y+hH)

196 @191 Agreed. I left the GOP last year (2011) but still voted for Romney and (gulp) Scotty Brown. I voted to re-elect Scotty because, simply, the thought of having to listen to Granny Warren - a shrill, condescending, self-absorbed, overrated know-it-all 1-percenter - for the next 6-years was just too God-awful to contemplate.

I voted for Romney because, for some reason, I though he would do a decent job of managing the coming collapse and make it, perhaps, a tad less terrifying.

I really don't think any election between now and the (now inevitable) collapse, if we manage to get to the next election before the collapse, changes the nature of the coming suck-fest one bit. We're just too far gone for any single or even large group of elected officials to make a difference.

Posted by: DocJ at December 09, 2012 08:04 PM (V20sy)

197 By the way, @PurpAv, your comment about "liberation trees" is my new signature at Ticker Forum. With proper attribution, of course.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:04 PM (sdi6R)

198

We think very alike, DocJ.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 08:06 PM (1Y+hH)

199 Let. It. Burn.

That's what the GOP is doing. Don't you get it? They're gearing up to giving the public what they want.

As H.L. Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."

You're want to "let it burn" while simultaneously demanding that the GOP not let it burn.

Make up your mind. The only way to convince people once and for all is to give the Democrats what they want and let the voters see how their lives are impacted. When Obama gets his higher taxes on the "top 2 percent," then massive numbers of small businesses will make all their workers part timers, and the wealthy will move their capital offshore and invest in other countries.

The jobless rate will go up, and to compensate for lost revenue the Democrats will propose raising taxes on everyone. The price of everything will go up, and everyone who supported Obama will end up with less work, higher taxes to pay for their bennies, and higher prices for everything.

The burning is happening. Stop complaining.

Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 08:09 PM (nMCEa)

200 I never believed politicians see the world the same way non-politicians do, so I don't expect them to behave with anything like philosophical integrity.

What I see is a situation where the Republicans are already being blamed for this phony cliff. The fact that the country has accepted the terminology of the cliff is proof enough of that. So if you're already being blamed, why not minimize the political damage you are taking?

How is that stupid? Stupid would be sticking to your philosophical guns when the political battle is already lost.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:09 PM (BeSEI)

201 What really piss'd me off was Boehner response after the election, That he slept like a baby, and the american people had spoke.

i would like to know if 10 million previous obama supporter did NOT vote, and a few million McCain or Bush voters went missing how the American people were speaking Bi Partisanship to His mind?
How would he sleep like a baby?

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:11 PM (nqBYe)

202 I enthusiastically voted for Sarah Palin in 2008 (not the old dude who was also on the ticket).

This year in the primaries I loudly proclaimed that I would not vote for Romney under any circumstances.

In the end I swallowed my pride and voted for him anyway, because it was so vital to defeat Obama. (I also publicly ate crow about my earlier pronouncements.)

Now I think the Republican Party is about as relevant as the Whigs. The party is dead; it just hasn't fallen over yet.

Let it burn.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:11 PM (sdi6R)

203 And Rush seems to have gotten stuck on this silly notion that if R's give in on raising taxes it'll somehow taint the concept that raising taxes is bad for a whole generation.

Sorry Rush, that's already done. In years past, nearly every tax increase that voters had an opportunity to vote on, all across the country, would be shot down handily. These days they all pass.

The public wants more taxes. They simply think they're voting for more taxes on the other guy. Let them see what it means when they get their tax bills.

Tax increases for everybody, I say.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:14 PM (BeSEI)

204 Ironically, I was a Libertarian before I was a Republican. I left that party after 9/11 because I became disgusted at the way they seemed to share the "blame America first" attitude of the left.

Now where do I go?

I think we've crossed the event horizon, and there is no way that we can vote ourselves out of this.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:15 PM (sdi6R)

205 Miracle on 34th st is on. The original fuck you feminist movie is on AMC.

1947! Natille Wood, still hot at 12.


"I believe, I believe"


"Hey, we got all these letter address to Santa Claus, why don't we send them down to the court house?"


MOST WATCH MORON LIST!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:15 PM (wR+pz)

206
America is an idea, and you can't destroy an idea.

Yes you can. You can deride it, ridicule those who believe in it 24/7 through the media, schools and art. Basically, you can brainwash a significant portion of the populace to believe anything you wish them to believe, then prop up a political candidate who reinforces that, and get him elected.

Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 08:15 PM (yiIja)

207 I'm so done with the Republicans. I'm now voting 100% libertarian. Kooky fiat currency platform? okay! Maritime flag (with yellow fringe) conspiracy theories? I'm f'kn down with it.

Fuck you, Bhoner. F you Paul Ryan. F all of them.

Bonus anger: I'll canvas for libertarians next election. I'll work the "get out the vote" libertarian phone banks. Voted for Mitt by default. No mas. Libertarian is now my "default vote" party of choice.

This is not internet raeg nor a passing fancy, the R's have lost me. Tea Party candidates registered as Libertarians get my vote. Tea Party candidates registered as Republicans will never get my vote.


FOAD.

Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2012 08:16 PM (h6XiD)

208 203 BurtTC
Tax increases for everybody, I say.


The trouble is, I think that has been the left's plan all along. Ramp up spending to the moon; then say that we have no choice but to raise taxes.

Presto: Socialism. Vast amounts of private money transferred to the government.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:19 PM (sdi6R)

209 we have no reason to expect what rises from the ash's to be good.

The Russians came out of the collapse of the Soviet Union somewhat better off. The place is an economic wild west of sorts now and the Kremlin isn't nearly as heavy handed as it used to be.

The Russian Federation is a "work in progress", and the final result remains to be seen though.

The Chinese are certainly better off now than with the old school Maoists, and they managed to accomplish that in a kind of stealth manner.

I'm optimistic about our post-collapse future. With all the Federal regulation and business roadblocks shucked aside, and saner "loser pays" legal system, we could have quite a Renaissance.

If we back our currencies with natural resources, we won't even be credit strapped after all the debt repudiation.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:20 PM (2RJQo)

210 I just wrote my senators and congressman asking them politely to not raise the debt ceiling.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Draki at December 09, 2012 08:21 PM (Hthb4)

211 anyway it is said Obama 's plan was to drive a wedge into the republican party. and he's succeeded, again.

He is dedicated that's for sure. of course He has everyone with a voice on his side, unions , media, education

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:21 PM (nqBYe)

212 207 -

The part that really chafes me is here in Missouri, we had a Libertarian on the ballot for Senate, and I let my sentimentality allow me to vote for Rapin' Akin.

The Libertarian was a fitness trainer, who shockingly, was a legalized marijuana guy. A profoundly silly person, in other words.

I don't care anymore. Given the choice, I'll vote for the pothead over the rotten festering sore of a Republican from now on.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:21 PM (BeSEI)

213 FAITH

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:22 PM (8sCoq)

214 FAITH

Posted by: Jones in CO


NO

MORE

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2012 08:24 PM (08zV/)

215 in what?

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:24 PM (nqBYe)

216 snowing in green bay, lambeau field

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:24 PM (8sCoq)

217 208 -

That's alright. In another 80 years or so we'll have had enough of that, and then maybe we can get some real change.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:24 PM (BeSEI)

218 HILL, YOU MORONS

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:25 PM (8sCoq)

219 haha

Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:26 PM (nqBYe)

220 Post of the fucking day:
Always remember this:

Republicans are ignorant. They don't read AoS. They don't listen to Rush. They don't read the Washington Times.

Republicans get their news from the MSM.

I'll bet half of them don't even know what Benghazi is about or Fast and Furious or anything about what the Democrats are doing.

Never forget what was posted here. Most Republicans don't give a shit about what Reagan stood for. They vaguely remember that there were good times during his Presidency, but they don't make the connection to small government conservatism and limited, constitutional government, because we don't teach the Constitution in school and we don't teach citizens to value their independence from The State.

That's how hard it's going to be for us to turn this around. I'm of the opinion that the Let it Burn crowd is on the right track, and that the old admonition is the true one: "the people get the kind of government they deserve". People voted for this, let them get it in its full measure.

I'm a Palin guy through and through. I despised Romney and his "rising tide lifts all yachts" Republicanism, but I understood that he was far preferable to Obama and Obamacare. His loss came as a bit of a surprise to me. Now, matters are worse: let the voters get the unsustainable state they voted for.

Obama's aim was always to permanently enlarge government and to permanently enlarge the tax base to pay for it. However, what he is doing cannot work in the long run, and has always failed. The difference, after all, between Brezhnev's corrupt Soviet racket state and what Obama is doing is a question of degree, not of kind. And Obama's effort will end up in the same place as did Brezhnev's.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at December 09, 2012 08:26 PM (CUoon)

221
You're want to "let it burn" while simultaneously demanding that the GOP not let it burn.
Make up your mind.... Stop complaining.
Posted by: Llarry




Corker and Team Republicans are intervening, and thus will get all the blame when things implode.

The idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the Democrats the blame and rebuild. Not to douse ourselves in oil and jump into the flames to show how we believe in bipartisan solutions.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 08:26 PM (kdS6q)

222 218 -

Are you watching NBC football? Not me.

And I can't stand Faith Hill and that fake phony country music garbage she represents these days.

Yes, I said "fake phony." It's that bad.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:27 PM (BeSEI)

223 The Libertarian was a fitness trainer, who shockingly, was a legalized marijuana guy. A profoundly silly person, in other words.

Those types won't fare well during the collapse. Millions simply won't survive it. They assume services and social order to be far more robust than they actually are.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:27 PM (2RJQo)

224 The whole problem is that the lower 50% will never have their taxes raised. That earned income BS and other "loopholes" (notice how those aren't regarded as loopholes) will always be on the books. It will only be capitalism and hard workism that are penalized. Fuck this shit.

Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 08:27 PM (S+/pH)

225 209 @PurpAv
If we back our currencies with natural resources, we won't even be credit strapped after all the debt repudiation.


This is a good point. We still have vast amounts of real wealth in the United States. The known reserves of oil and gas have increased astronomically in just the past few years. The problem is that the government refuses to "allow" us to develop them.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:28 PM (sdi6R)

226 Timmy Geithner has just given us a wonderful Christmas present. His plan is the only way to bring government spending to a screeching halt. Call, email, write your legislators and say, "We want Geithner's plan!" Tell them you're a democrat. Tell them anything.

The glorious plan: Keep the tax hikes on everyone but *don't withhold them*. Then, in April, everybody suddenly owes money instead of getting a refund. Weeping wailing and nashing of teeth.

The single greatest contributor to big govt. is withholding. Ask any self-employed person - when you write big checks to Uncle Sam, you really question expenditures.

Unfortunately, about a thousand big govt Dems and Repubs probably just yelled, "Get 'im!"

Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 08:29 PM (udOjI)

227 Oh wow the Miracle on 34th St the original bitch slap movie,

I bet the Feminist are going to kill themselves!

The girl goes to a "progress school"


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:29 PM (wR+pz)

228 The trouble is, I think that has been the left's plan all along. Ramp
up spending to the moon; then say that we have no choice but to raise
taxes.

Presto: Socialism. Vast amounts of private money transferred to the government.

--------------------------

The problem with the Left is that they have a limited sense of history. They can't connect California's or Illinois' failures with that of, say, East Germany or the Soviet Union. Their belief system is, remember, a substitute religion of failed ideologies, and there will be a vast wreckage of destruction before they have been consigned to the Dustbin of History.

Posted by: Adolf Hitler's Last Parody Video at December 09, 2012 08:31 PM (CUoon)

229 I think another part of the problem is that when other countries hit the skids (Argentina, Greece, etc), it doesn't register for the majority of the U.S. population that it could happen here because somehow everything keeps going and the government checks keep coming. Economic problems happen to people "over there" and even when those problems show up on the news it doesn't look all that bad. So it's an abstract concept.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 08:31 PM (B9aMH)

230 Fuck Republicans in DC

Fuck Democrats Everywhere

Fuck the takers

FUCK OBAMA!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at December 09, 2012 08:32 PM (ovpNn)

231 @199:"That's what the GOP is doing. Don't you get it? They're gearing up to giving the public what they want....The burning is happening. Stop complaining.
Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 08:09 PM (nMCEa)"
----
No. The GOP is f-ing it up. You do not avoid blame by giving the Dems and the media tons of soundbites of you saying, "Gee, I'm starting to think this will work", so that when it doesn't, they can ll say, "look, the GOP WANTED to do this and SAID it would work".

You do it by saying, "We do not believe this will work, but President Obama has demanded it over and over again, he's the one who says it will work, he's the one who says XYZ won't have to happen if we do this, he won the election and refuses to compromise. Given all that, since the situation is so grave, since Obama will not let us do what will in fact help, we choose to do the lesser of two evils and show the American public what president Obama's policies will actually do."

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 08:32 PM (Y5I9o)

232
The whole problem is that the lower 50% will never have their taxes raised.


The Democrats traditionally go after the poor via less obvious regressive taxes. "sin taxes", gasoline taxes, the Federal tax on phone bills, excise taxes on tires, medical device taxes that raise prices on medical devices, etc.

That way people don't notice it right away as a lower paycheck. The paycheck just doesn't go as far.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:33 PM (2RJQo)

233 Faith Hills dress would look good crumpled up on the floor next to my bed.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 08:34 PM (jucos)

234 224 -

What I learned from John Roberts is that the concept of what is and what is not a tax is fluid.

Those people who don't pay "taxes" will see the price of groceries go up, utilities will skyrocket, Playstations, cable tv, and cell phone service will be luxury items again.

What we ALWAYS know to be true is that in any economic downturn, the poor bear the brunt of it eventually. They haven't yet. So far this has been the Easy Bake Oven recession. Wait until the real thing gets here.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:35 PM (BeSEI)

235 The stupid. It burns!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 09, 2012 08:35 PM (X/+QT)

236 212.

Yep.

Fini. Kaput.

Gonna call the local medical marijuana dispensary (doubles as the libertarian headquarters) and volunteer / sign up for 2014 gotv duty.

Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2012 08:35 PM (h6XiD)

237 >Faith Hills dress would look good crumpled up on the floor next to my bed.


she's quite leggy

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (8sCoq)

238 231 JeremiadBullfrog

The GOP can't even do "Let it burn" right.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (sdi6R)

239 she's quite leggy
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (8sCoq)
---------------------------------------------------------
They would look good wrapped around my head.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (jucos)

240 We still have vast amounts of real wealth in the United States.

Yep, everything that made the United States into the power that it once was, persists across the collapse.

We'll be dealt a strong hand right out of the gate.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (2RJQo)

241 Funny, but 10 years ago I would never have believed the collapse of the USA would happen in my lifetime.

Now, I accept it as a given. A done deal. Unavoidable.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (2RJQo)

242 Corker and Team Republicans are intervening, and thus will get all the blame when things implode.

The
idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the
Democrats the blame and rebuild. Not to douse ourselves in oil and jump
into the flames to show how we believe in bipartisan solutions.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2012 08:26 PM (kdS6q)

Yes!!! Very well put.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (kpCLl)

243 Miracle on 34th Street is one of my favorite movies. LOVE the message of anti-feminism, anti-human resources, anti-Scrooges, anti-armchair psychologists, and PRO-CHRISTMAS!

This is how much the country has changed. Back in the mid to late 1950's that movie was shown in my grade school gym on the last day before Christmas vacation, right after the classroom parties where we got popcorn balls and cupcakes and exchanged presents with each other through a name drawing.. Every year. And then we would all sing "We Wish You a Merry Christmas" and get on the buses to go home, because it was the best day in the kid calender (as Ralphie would say).

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (GoIUi)

244 I have stopped giving a shit about politics and our pending collapse. I cannot be the junkie I once was because it makes my head hurt to realize that we now are truly ruled by idiots. Let it burn. I have gotten a lot closer to my wife and family and hope to throw myself into a new venture in this depression.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (jucos)

245 AOS(L)HQ

Posted by: 13times at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (h6XiD)

246 >The

idea of LIB is to stand by, let the destruction happen, give the

Democrats the blame and rebuild.




the statement presumes the Democrats will get the blame

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:44 PM (8sCoq)

247
Here's how the Republicans and Democrats are going to solve this. Ready?

Retroactive taxation.

All current rates will stay the same....for now. But new tax rates will be applied to past years, they'll inform everyone what they owe in those past years, including those that have left the country, and the IRS will then work to extract that amount from everyone. See how simple?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 09, 2012 08:47 PM (AC0lD)

248 the statement presumes the Democrats will get the blame

Yeah, the GOP seems to be fighting hard to take the donkey punch on this.

Posted by: Peaches at December 09, 2012 08:47 PM (kpCLl)

249 Funny, but 10 years ago I would never have believed the collapse of the USA would happen in my lifetime.Now, I accept it as a given. A done deal. Unavoidable.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (2RJQo)


I remember reading 1984, for the first time, when I was a teenager, and thinking it was so far-fetched. And then, only 10 years or so ago, reading Atlas Shrugged, and could see the validity, but still thinking it was so far-fetched. Now, we see where we are, and neither one is far-fetched at all! Gah! I'm reading Utopias Elsewhere right now!

Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (S+/pH)

250 It Burns, oh dear Gawd it burns, methinks I have Boeheritis Surrenderus.
B.S. for short!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (1gpX9)

251 Oh, Miss Marple! I remember those days! When Christmas was a joyous season, with good will toward men. Oh, now you can't even say that. It's sexist, and probably other ists, too.

Posted by: kalneva at December 09, 2012 08:56 PM (S+/pH)

252 The people that pay no taxes have food stamps, or EBT cards. Here in MA they have used it for bail when arrested!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 08:56 PM (z4WKX)

253 I may start a new project, net time in the checkout when the couple, unmarried most likely, start checking out two carts full of pizzas, chips, cokes, ice cream and steaks I will take a flash photo and the begin recording. If they protest I will just say i am the govt I bought that shit and I at least want a picture of it and of the do nothings that presume to consume my food!
Ought to be a hoot!


Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (1gpX9)

254 Well, dear LIB crowd, if we're going to go through the horrifying pain of LIB, let's toss out the GOP with it.

I've always preferred the 3rd party strategy locally first, then nationally when the money backers finally see which way the wind is blowing. But if we're going to go through 30 years of pain, let's burn the GOP too.

So, what will the new party look like? Big tent, small tent? No socons? No fiscons? L/libertarians? Add some planks/groups? Hire some storytellers? Hard-core one issue (debt) until that get solved? What kind of governance structure that will keep idiots from rising to the top again?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (X/+QT)

255 @243:"because it was the best day in the kid calender (as Ralphie would say).
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (GoIUi)"
---
What? Kids getting a positive experience of Christianity regardless of their family's beliefs? Can't have none of that nonsense.

BTW, let's schedule in some mandatory diversity stuff for Muslims and other non-Christians. Because everyone needs EXPOSURE to that.

(For the record, I love the basic idea underlying diversity and multiculturalism. But the Libs have perverted it into a stick to beat people they don't like and to play those groups against each other...like they do with everything. This is why we can't have nice things. Fuck.)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (Y5I9o)

256
I'm optimistic about our post-collapse future. With all the Federal regulation and business roadblocks shucked aside, and saner "loser pays" legal system, we could have quite a Renaissance.


We could've accomplished the same thing without the meltdown.

Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 09:06 PM (yiIja)

257 Come on! Let's all sing it together:


On the twelfth day of welfare Obama gave to me:

Twelve czars a-ruling

Eleven banks a-failing

Ten drug lords dealing

Nine brocc'li stems

Eight housing vouchers

Seven lying leaders

Six mullahs praying

Five…voter…cards

More unemployment

Three crack whores

Two EBTs

And a cell phone and a place to pee!

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (sdi6R)

258 this dumb fuck corker is worried that tax increases will work. that they economy will take off and that he will be on the wrong side of events. what an idiot cocksucker.

Posted by: chas at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (Dpiaa)

259
"What really piss'd me off was Boehner response after the election, That he slept like a baby, and the american people had spoke."
Posted by: ette at December 09, 2012 08:11 PM (nqBYe)


McCain said the same thing after the 2008 defeat. These people sleep pretty easy as their country implodes, don't they. Fu*k em all.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 09, 2012 09:12 PM (iayld)

260
Come on! Let's all sing it together...

It has a nice beat and it's easy to dance to. I give it a 75, Mr. Clark.

Posted by: Wheelbarrow Manufacturers Association of America at December 09, 2012 09:12 PM (yiIja)

261 That was from this morning's thread, and it was a marvelous example of crowdsourcing and collaboration.

I think OldSailor'sPoet started it. (Geez, do I sound like a six year old or what?) I only contributed one line, the one about EBTs. All of the other lines came from various morons. I helped hammer it together into its final shape, but there is probably still room for improvement.

I'm very happy with it. "More unemployment" cracks me up. I think it's better than "Four something".

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (sdi6R)

262 Off, hyperinflation sock.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (yiIja)

263
I'm very happy with it. "More unemployment" cracks me up. I think it's better than "Four something".

Good work, rickl. Valu-Rite, the songwriter's best friend.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (yiIja)

264 Does anyone here also hang out over at FR? Just curious. I haven't been able to go back there, mostly cause it's the only blog on the Internet with a UI worse than this one. But they seem kinda like morons over there...

So my first directive would be that blogs on the right must have a top-notch UI. Everything else flows from there.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 09, 2012 09:17 PM (MmH0Z)

265 What a sweet Omas song #257!

Posted by: torabora at December 09, 2012 09:57 PM (H5yMl)

266 8 Only Democrats care about Skin Color
Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 06:22 PM (vBZAE)
-
This means only Democrat wishes on race will be carried out, since nobody else cares (or admits caring).

What's a racial issue in the 21st century? Everything that relates to who gets what, how and why. In other words the totality of politics, including who gets to be the President, a theory that the Lightworker just proved in practice.

Chronic mass immigration plus forced integration and assimilation (for the Whites, as the non-Whites are free to play identity politics) is genocidal for the Whites. In the long run, it predictably, obviously means that there'll be nobody White left.

Who do you think is going to support any kind of conservative politics or any cause you care about then? Hint: it's not mostly Blacks that support conservative causes.

The left are blatant now that they intend to win this way. They gloat about it. And Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn have written about it. Demography is destiny.

Care (and admit caring) about "skin color" and the politics that go on around it, or let perish every cause you care about, if you are a conservative, even if you don't specifically care about Whites.

Ann Coulter on Demography is Destiny:
http://tiny.cc/1kxvow
and America Nears El Tipping Pointo:
http://tinyurl.com/aepznmd
and Mark Steyn on Tribal America:
http://tiny.cc/0qxvow

Most-racial America isn't hard to notice, even for the Wall Street Journal:
http://tiny.cc/3fyvow

This isn't a conspiracy theory about carefully hidden leftist motives, left-wing pundits are very plausibly gloating
http://tiny.cc/zryvow
that White people are as good as dead, the way things are going here in the 21st Century.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (i0tJO)

267 Mother-effer gets re-elected and he cannot wait to surrender...feck them all...burn their fields, salt the ground and rape the livestock...I quit.

Posted by: Frank Gaines at December 09, 2012 10:36 PM (ochf7)

268 I am so angry, frustrated, and depressed, I could scream! I did when I heard that Corker imbecile this morning and wondered if there will ever be a chance to throw these sorry a--es out of our Congress?? The Democrats AND the Republicans!

Posted by: AnnaS at December 09, 2012 11:08 PM (is2uy)

269 Rand Paul gets it:
"I have yet another thought on how we can fix this. Why don't we let the Democrats pass whatever they want? If they are the party of higher taxes, all the Republicans vote present and let the Democrats raise taxes as high as they want to raise them, let Democrats in the Senate raise taxes, let the president sign it and then make them own the tax increase. And when the economy stalls, when the economy sputters, when people lose their jobs, they know which party to blame, the party of high taxes. Let's don't be the party of just almost as high taxes."




http://tinyurl.com/cswx7om

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 09, 2012 11:37 PM (uPhCY)

270 Bob Corker? Cork Bobber

Posted by: KMM (CT) at December 09, 2012 11:46 PM (Qi+yN)

271 Stay focused on the goal. Fighting to protect tax cuts on the rich (as dems and the media have sold it ) is a losing battle. Roll over and give him what he thinks he wants, the next fight is on the debt ceiling, once he has the higher taxes he said would solve the problem the argument will be on spending. The cut spending argument is a winner once taxes are off the table. The GOP simply holds out for thetax and spending reforms it wants. Obama will have to cave substantially.

Posted by: jarhead59 at December 10, 2012 08:33 AM (6uxlE)

272
Rand Paul gets it

(l)ibertarian wing.

Posted by: Entropy at December 10, 2012 09:55 AM (TULs6)

273 "“There is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don’t have a lot of cards on the tax issue before year end,"

It ain't about having some cards to play. It's about having some balls and some pride and some common sense and not spending our money and borrowing and printing more on shit supposedly for our sake . What is going on in our government right now is a form of theft and if you aid in it then you are a form of thief.

Posted by: Cackfinger at December 11, 2012 08:22 AM (CCHli)






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