Hamas Leader Vows To Destroy Israel, Others Worry Not Letting The Palestinians Kill Israelis Is Hurting The Peace Process

We live in seriously screwed up times.

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal on Saturday reiterated his movement’s refusal to “give up one inch of the land of Palestine.”

Mashaal, who arrived in the Gaza Strip for the first time ever on Friday, said: “Palestine from the river to the sea, from the north to the south, is our land and we will never give up one inch or any part of it.”

...

“Palestine was, still is and will always be Arab and Islamic,” Mashaal said. “Palestine belongs to us and to no one else. We can never recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. Palestine belongs to us, and not to the Zionists.”

Mashaal’s fiery statements stood in sharp contrast to a recent interview he gave to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, where he said that Hamas accepted a Palestinian state within the pre-1967 lines.

Ah yes. The old "one thing in English, another in Arabic" gambit.

Why the hell the Isrelis didn't blow this bastard to hell, er Allah, I don't quite know.

Surely the leadership of Hamas' rivals and recently admitted observer state to the UN, Fatah would never countenance such talk.

A delegation from Hamas's rival Palestinian group, Fatah – to which Mr Barghouti belongs - was also introduced, raising prospects of a reconciliation of the two factions, which have been estranged since Hamas took over Gaza by force in 2007.

Ah well then.

Of course some enterprising idiots know the real problem...those damn Jews are unwilling to be slaughtered in order to bring about peace.

In the calm of the cease-fire, Iron Dome has emerged in Israel’s reckoning as a symbol of all that is right with the Jewish state. But it has also become an emblem of the unmet challenges that sit at the center of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

For a nation that longs for normalcy and acceptance, one question being debated here is whether Iron Dome will motivate Israel’s leaders to pursue peace with the Palestinians and the wider Arab world or insulate them from having to do so.

How exactly does one negotiate with monsters like Mashaal? I suppose he'd be willing to negotiate the means by which Jews are killed and Israel is destroyed but beyond that, it seems unlikely an agreement of any sort is on the menu.

Since Israel is run by human beings and not walking scum like the Palestinians, a genocidal war against the Palestinians isn't an option. And so the long slog goes on.

Posted by: DrewM. at 03:31 PM



Comments

1 In a televised 60 Minutes interview years ago (and in answer to a question I've since forgotten), Bob Dylan said, 'Peace is the time it takes to reload.'

That remains true, I think. From a Christian perspective, we live in a fallen world. The Devil could not have tempted Christ with temporal kingship over the world if the world wasn't his to give.

Yeah, I know. I believe the Devil exists. Sue me.

Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (ptcFO)

2 I get why the State department wants the Jews dead-- Bill Clinton and a lot of top democrats are bankrolled by the muz, and Obama is a muz. But why does so much of the illiteratti in the MFM want them dead? I don't know, I would expect some push back from people not named Ammanpour and Zakaria.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 03:40 PM (jFLnC)

3 Yes.

They will negotiate what music is played as they march the Jews to the gas chambers, and whether the hummus will be the Israeli style or the Lebanese style.

Fuck 'em.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 03:40 PM (GsoHv)

4 I think, long-term, Israel is doomed. I think anti-semitism is coming back in the guise of concern for the Palestinians. And I think the reelection of Obama is a sign that the momentum is increasing.

Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (2ArJQ)

5
Along with US military-oriented charities, I support the FIDF (Friends of the IDF).

Both are what stands between us and eternal night.

And... fuck Islam.




Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2012 03:42 PM (XkWWK)

6 But why does so much of the illiteratti in the MFM want them dead?

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 03:40 PM (jFLnC)

The Left has been traditionally anti-Semitic. Just look at the purges during the rise of communism. But there is also the hatred of Israel as a bastion of Western thought and behavior in the midst of the savagery of the 3rd world. Leftists love them some 3rd world death and destruction, and Israel fights it tooth and nail.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 03:43 PM (GsoHv)

7 Israel is doomed.

Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (2ArJQ)

Welcome to thermonuclear war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 03:45 PM (GsoHv)

8 How exactly does one negotiate with monsters like Mashaal?


Remember, the Left doesn't believe he's a monster. Portions of the Left agree that Israel should be destroyed, though they'd never admit it, while other portions believe it's all just rhetoric. It's a mindset that treats the Palestinians as children who are throwing a temper tantrum and screaming I hate you, I hate you, I hate you when they don't mean it. It's actually quite insulting to the Palestinians because it's a refusal to treat them like adults who really do mean what they say.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 09, 2012 03:49 PM (Gk3SS)

9 100 years after I'm dead the "peace" process will still be unfolding.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 09, 2012 03:49 PM (HDgX3)

10
The liberal idiocracy really believe that if only the Jooos and Christians in the ME would either leave, die peacefully by the sword(s) of islam, or march into the sea, then there would immediately begin a thousand year reign of peace and prosperity in the ME, all guided by all those calming words in the koran augmented by the beneficence of strict adherence to sharia law.




I am very much afraid that we will soon see how their theories work in real life.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2012 03:52 PM (Cnqmv)

11 Why the hell the Isrelis didn't blow this bastard to hell, er Allah, I don't quite know.


****

Patience.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 03:52 PM (piMMO)

12 Does anyone else enjoy confounding the Angry Left by fucking with them on their mutually exclusive notions of the Reconquista/post-colonial/historical invasion and Palestinian platforms?

I also get them to admit they're not really for Marriage Equality, since they won't let me marry my three girlfriends.

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 09, 2012 03:54 PM (jfUIE)

13 Israel is doomed also from a population growth aspect. Their Muslim neighbors have 5 to 6 kids per family. An Israeli family has 1 to 2 kids per family, if that. Eventually, they may be In a negative population growth, just like many countries in Western Europe..the Muslims just have to wait it out really.

Posted by: IC at December 09, 2012 03:56 PM (z4Cjb)

14


Israel America is doomed also from a population growth aspect

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2012 04:00 PM (8VAP0)

15 Please. We all know how "negotiations" are supposed to work. The side that has support of Global Progressives should get whatever they want, the other side has to cede everything asked.

We see it in our fiscal-cliff negotiations. We see it in the Middle East.

Anything less is obstructionism and derailing the process. Get with the program.


Posted by: Coldstream at December 09, 2012 04:00 PM (qrCKL)

16 Posted by: IC at December 09, 2012 03:56 PM (z4Cjb)

Nope.

Orthodox -- both Hasidim and Modern -- are having lots and lots of babies.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 04:01 PM (GsoHv)

17 How exactly does one negotiate with monsters like Mashaal? I suppose he'd be willing to negotiate the means by which Jews are killed and Israel is destroyed but beyond that, it seems unlikely an agreement of any sort is on the menu.

****

The folks who disappear out of mall parking lots encounter the kind of folks who say, Come quietly and you won't be hurt.

If the victim screams and fights, they might be shot or stabbed, they might even die, but it is in the eyes of the public and helps to eliminate the many questions that often go unanswered in missing person cases, such as, Where's the body

If the person doesn't fight like their life depends on it, and they are taken in the dark of night, well, we know the end result.

Too many people fear provoking the bastards but, under what definition are they not already under threat?

What? If we don't provoke them they will only kill a few Israelis?

Iran will only build a small nuclear bomb?

Islam will only decapitate the other guy?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 04:02 PM (piMMO)

18 I also get them to admit they're not really for Marriage Equality, since they won't let me marry my three girlfriends.


Posted by: BuddyPC at December 09, 2012 03:54 PM (jfUIE)


That's just a temporary thing because it upsets too many people. Once you legislate that marriage is an arbitrary concept involving any two "people" that love each other and are being made unequal due to a restricted definition of marriage as requiring two partners of opposite sex, then it is really hard to argue (with a straight face) that you and your three girlfriends (or boyfriends, or any other combination, say LBGTQ) is also unequal.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2012 04:02 PM (Cnqmv)

19
Remember, the Left doesn't believe he's a monster. Portions of the Left agree that Israel should be destroyed, though they'd never admit it, while other portions believe it's all just rhetoric. It's a mindset that treats the Palestinians as children who are throwing a temper tantrum and screaming I hate you, I hate you, I hate you when they don't mean it. It's actually quite insulting to the Palestinians because it's a refusal to treat them like adults who really do mean what they say

Posted by: alexthechick


Some conservative commentator - Steyn maybe - said something to the effect of, 'I do them the courtesy of taking them at their word' (he may have been referencing the mullahs....same principle regardless).

Anyway, agreed 100%. It's demeaning. And as far as I'm concerned, big boy talk should have big boy consequences.

Of course, we live in the Age of the Fucktard, so like that's going to happen.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 09, 2012 04:03 PM (bbTyq)

20

I hate to ruin my Sunday, thinking about this stuff.

Besides, don't we have Mayan supplies to obtain and prepare?

Going back to eating chocolate and watching football.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 04:03 PM (LpQbZ)

21 “Palestine was, still is and will always be Arab and Islamic,”

No. Just no.

OK, I know that Islam believes that the whole world was truly Islamic and lost its way until a gigolo pedophile resurrected it after having been lost in the time of Abraham. (Except for every interesting prophet between Abraham and Mohammed, like Jesus, who were also "really" Muslims...somehow.)

But "Palestine" was almost never Arabic.

Arabs come from...wait for it...the Arabian peninsula. Israel was Roman 2000 years ago. By 635, Arabs conquered it, but it transferred hands several times. In 1260, it was under Turkish rule until WWI, when it became British and then became the current Israeli state.

Now if they want to argue that, despite the rulers, the people there were always Arabs, again, no. Not until the 7th century and even then, there were plenty of Jews as well as Christians (Arab and non-Arab) in the very sparsely-populated land.

Really, the region prospered after the British Mandate and Zionism. Until then, from what I can tell, every estimate gives a total population of about 500,000 for the whole area known as "Palestine" (which includes huge chunks of Jordan and bits of Lebanon).

Of course, this is part of the whole "whatever happened before Europe showed up is justice" look at the world. Whoever was the last to kill, rape and pillage in the area before Europe started poking around gives their descendents exclusive rights to the land, maybe the whole continent, forever. And by "descendents", let's use the one-drop rule, unless that becomes inconvenient.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 09, 2012 04:03 PM (xSegX)

22
Israel America The Westis doomed also from a population growth aspect

Unfortunately had to FTFY.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 09, 2012 04:04 PM (bbTyq)

23
Never bet against Israel.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:05 PM (0GJri)

24
On the ont the other night was the graphic of the London WWII bombings.

Israel should practice.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 04:06 PM (n/ubI)

25 O/T but the only thing better than the other Redskins rookie qb getting the conversion tie is seeing Ray Lewis look like someone just shoved a body in the trunk of his car.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 09, 2012 04:07 PM (Gk3SS)

26 O/T but the only thing better than the other Redskins rookie qb getting the conversion tie is seeing Ray Lewis look like someone just shoved a body in the trunk of his car.

***

Saw it!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 04:08 PM (piMMO)

27 That's just a temporary thing because it upsets too many people. Once you legislate that marriage is an arbitrary concept involving any two "people" that love each other and are being made unequal due to a restricted definition of marriage as requiring two partners of opposite sex, then it is really hard to argue (with a straight face) that you and your three girlfriends (or boyfriends, or any other combination, say LBGTQ) is also unequal.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 09, 2012 04:02 PM (Cnqmv)


I dunno. They're pretty forthright, if not in so many words, in admitting that plurals are freaky because they vote the other way.

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 09, 2012 04:08 PM (jfUIE)

28 I'm a pragmatist. I'd rather give Israel/Palestine to whoever isn't going to waste it ****ing goats.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 04:10 PM (a0nis)

29 Troyriser, yes there is a devil. The smartest lie, or maybe 2nd smartest, he ever came up with, was convincing people he didn't exist.

He'll be given a prescribed amount of rope and be allowed to bring a lot of death and suffering to the planet.
But Israel will not be totally defeated again. The US, I'm afraid, is another story. I see only one possible reference to this country in the last days (flown to safetyon the wings of an eagle) and I'm sure not gonna hang my hat on that being a reference to us.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 04:10 PM (zSyar)

30 Obama is a muz.

No way. He doesn't have the self-discipline.

Obama treats Muslims the way Jane Goodall treats chimps -- paternalistic condescension. They are his permanent, devoted loving children.

He probably thinks of himself as their king, but he is not of them, he's above them.


Posted by: AmishDude at December 09, 2012 04:10 PM (xSegX)

31 7
Israel is doomed.
Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 03:41 PM (2ArJQ)
Welcome to thermonuclear war.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


I really believe this. In their heart of hearts, the Israelis have already decided that IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. And if it starts, they'll finish it. After, all, if I'm am Israeli, my attitude has to be "and just what the hell do we owe the world at this point".

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 04:12 PM (6TB1Z)

32 Somehow America has stopped taking people at their word... We no longer LISTEN to what they say, and take them seriously...

Maybe its because in both life, and media, there is not real consequence for telling lies (exhibit 1, Bill Clinton).... and no reward for telling the truth... and we EXPECT people to lie...

But when someone says they want to kill you (Al Q)... or destroy a country (Hamas with Israel)... or Fundamentaly change you (Obama with US)... you need to LISTEN to what they say, and ACT upon it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 09, 2012 04:15 PM (lZBBB)

33 Appalling relativism, but REELECTED! Insane world.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 09, 2012 04:16 PM (AWmfW)

34 Over at Weasel Zip:

Four people, including two bomb makers, were killed when an improvised
explosives device went off prematurely inside a house in central Parwan
province on Friday, a police official said on Saturday.


praise allah.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 04:16 PM (n/ubI)

35 Maybe its because in both life, and media, there is not real consequence for telling lies (exhibit 1, Bill Clinton).... and no reward for telling the truth... and we EXPECT people to lie...

The whole Arabic culture is predicated on the assumption that everything everybody says is a lie. It's surreal.

When you're at a disadvantage, you act more boldly. But of course everybody knows that's a signal that you're at a disadvantage.

Surreal.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 09, 2012 04:17 PM (xSegX)

36 @34

Truly divine intervention. Now if only Allah would do this for the other 99% of IEDs.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 04:18 PM (a0nis)

37
That remains true, I think. From a Christian perspective, we live in a fallen world. The Devil could not have tempted Christ with temporal kingship over the world if the world wasn't his to give.

Yeah, I know. I believe the Devil exists. Sue me.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2012 03:38 PM (ptcFO)








I don't believe for a second that the Devil actively influences anything on this Earth.

Because he doesn't HAVE to. Humans have time and time again shown themselves capable of choosing evil with infinite creativity in method.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2012 04:18 PM (Rhie+)

38 Israel needs to booby trap its country with all of its nukes.
Then all the people in Israel need to leave.
Then blow up the Middle East and let
Allah live among the radiation

Posted by: Drop the bomb at December 09, 2012 04:18 PM (oKH8p)

39 Cowboys pull it outta their pooters!

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:20 PM (is2uy)

40 I say: Yahweh or the highway.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 09, 2012 04:24 PM (BVkEs)

41 Never bet against Israel.
Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:05 PM (0GJri)
---------------------------------------------------------
No truer words have ever been spoken.

Posted by: Adonai at December 09, 2012 04:28 PM (jucos)

42 Un-fucking-believable Cowboys. 4 defensive starters left on the field after injuries and you pulled it out of your asses.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at December 09, 2012 04:28 PM (ZOf1l)

43 Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 04:12 PM (6TB1Z)

I have lots of family in Israel, and not one has ever given me the impression that they would just pack up and leave.

I think that the majority of Israelis are in it for the long haul, and that they have no illusions about how the world feels about them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 04:31 PM (GsoHv)

44 My 88 year old uncle lived in the Middle East when he was a colonel in the Air Force. He loathes arabs and their culture ever since; believes the only way to clear up the mess of the Middle East is to carpet bomb it and will tell anyone within ear-shot.

I used to think he was cray-cray, but now I understand his wisdom.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 04:31 PM (53riN)

45 Why, it's almost as if Islam is not, in fact, a religion of peace...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 04:32 PM (aLLUm)

46 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 04:32 PM (aLLUm)

Arabs have a long tradition of lying, practice every day, and are perfectly content to lie to everyone about everything.

That the West can't see this is a powerful indication that our culture is doomed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 04:34 PM (GsoHv)

47 "44 My 88 year old uncle lived in the Middle East when he was a colonel in the Air Force. He loathes arabs and their culture ever since; believes the only way to clear up the mess of the Middle East is to carpet bomb it and will tell anyone within ear-shot.

I used to think he was cray-cray, but now I understand his wisdom.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 04:31 PM (53riN) "

Oh, for fuck's sake, not this again.

If we were still Christian/Western, the solution would be simple: convert them to Christianity/Western Civilization (since there is no evidence, whatsoever, that there is anything wrong with their genes). We've "Progressed" beyond that, though, so whatever...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 04:34 PM (aLLUm)

48 The US, I'm afraid, is another story. I see only one possible reference to this country in the last days (flown to safetyon the wings of an eagle) and I'm sure not gonna hang my hat on that being a reference to us.
Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 04:10 PM (zSyar)


Obsessive fascination with the allegorical dream imagery of the Book of Revelation borders on attempts at divination, in my view. As a particularly devout friend once told me (paraphrasing), 'Live your life and your faith on any given day as if He is returning that day, and you can't go far wrong.' Seems like good advice to me, then and now.

Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2012 04:36 PM (ptcFO)

49 "46 Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 04:32 PM (aLLUm)

Arabs have a long tradition of lying, practice every day, and are perfectly content to lie to everyone about everything.

That the West can't see this is a powerful indication that our culture is doomed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 04:34 PM (GsoHv) "

A civilization which has become completely ignorant of its own history (including its arduous struggle against Islamic imperialism, or perhaps more correctly, Islam's unrelenting jihad against it) cannot and will not survive long.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 09, 2012 04:38 PM (aLLUm)

50
I have lots of family in Israel, and not one has ever given me the impression that they would just pack up and leave.


Oh, I agree. I meant that they won't go quietly into the night this time. Either to leave the country or to leave this earth. Good for them.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 04:42 PM (6TB1Z)

51 I still love George Will's (I think) quote. "Jews are used to collective eulogies, but Israel will not die so that the world will speak well of it"

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 04:48 PM (6TB1Z)

52
If someonetells youthey want to kick your ass, or destroy you and yet you take no action to defend yourself or to pre-empt his actions...well then; maybe you get what you had coming to you.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:49 PM (aUHCG)

53 Who needs SMOD with the muzzies around. They're like an evil heaven's gate death cult, except the muzzies wear dresses and sandals, not jogging suits and nikes. F#cked in the head and no fashion sense to boot.

Posted by: Choom based realist at December 09, 2012 04:51 PM (BHM5V)

54
I meant that in response to #49

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 04:51 PM (aUHCG)

55 Golda Meir said it best. There will be peace when the Arabs love their children .ore than they hate us.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 04:54 PM (jucos)

56 Again it comes back to the MFM carrying water for Hamas, the Palis or the Left.

They all live in houses of cards constructed with lies.

The narratives would be simple to debunk with a media devoted to publishing fact based truths.

As it is the MFM is The Big Lie arm of the Left and needs to be crushed out of existence.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2012 05:03 PM (aZ6ew)

57 I say: Yahweh or the highway.
Jehovah or a nova.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2012 05:05 PM (jPVBi)

58 We could learn from this - if Boehner grew a pair threatened to destroy the Democrats, to drive them into the sea, to take their land for eternity, Reid and Hillary and Obama would be right there addressing our legitimate concerns and decrying their own lack of empathy.

Best part, the UN would be scolding them for their inflexibility and intransigence.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 09, 2012 05:22 PM (wgDJg)

59 Islam came into existence when?
The Dome of the Rock is built upon whose temple?
Who was King of the Palestinians in 100BC?
Who was President of the Palestinians in 1940?

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 09, 2012 05:33 PM (wSTfB)

60 If only Israel could keep turning each faction of the loonies against each other, the loonies might destroy themselves.

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 06:03 PM (GQ7/O)

61 #60 - shhhhhhh. The mossies might not like their plans aired....

Mr. Mashie should be wary of travel and further commo - big ears have long reaches...

Posted by: fred zeppelin at December 09, 2012 06:28 PM (LtK0C)

62 About "converting them to Christianity" .... TOO LATE!

Posted by: Gerry at December 09, 2012 07:04 PM (T4SG9)

63 They need to lock in Jerusalem, with Housing and Jews. It's the flashpoint and they need to make it concrete, on the ground. No withdrawal like Gaza. Fuck the Paleos

Posted by: Frank G at December 09, 2012 07:29 PM (cJqu0)






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