Is GPS Making Us Dumber And Less Interesting?

Interesting. Well, for a Sunday.

If we are, in fact, ditching the map for flashier gear, will we be better off? Maybe not. A study conducted in Tokyo found that pedestrians exploring a city with the help of a GPS device took longer to get places, made more errors, stopped more frequently and walked farther than those relying on paper maps. And in England, map sales dropped by 25 percent for at least one major printer between 2005 and 2011. Correlation doesn’t prove causation—but it’s interesting to note that the number of wilderness rescues increased by more than 50 percent over the same time period. This could be partly because paper maps offer those who use them a grasp of geography and an understanding of their environment that most electronic devices don’t. In 2008, the president of the British Cartographic Society, Mary Spence, warned that travelers—especially drivers—reliant on electronic navigation gadgets were focusing mainly on reaching a destination without understanding quite how they got there...

“Trying to see and understand the big picture on your phone or laptop usually isn’t possible,” said Harrison...

Using real printed maps also demands—and can help users develop—critical thinking skills.

Well, there's an easy enough fix: Make sure you still have paper maps (or buy them if you no longer have them) and plot most of your trips via map. Use GPS for back-up or for when you go someplace on the fly.

But I think there is a general problem with some things being too automated and thus too easy. It's not that things need to be hard. It's that people lose the ability to do it the hard way should that become necessary.


Posted by: Ace at 08:33 PM



Comments

1 Sounds like much ado about nothing. Dumb people use tools dumbly. Smart people use tools smartly.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (kcfmt)

2 I often argue with my GPS bitch. Sometimes she's just stupid.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (X6akg)

3 Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex?

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (I2LwF)

4 I bought a new car last year, after 16+ years with same 1995 BMW, navigation was free at the time. I have used it twice. I received an email yesterday to tell me to update it for all the new roads for $245. I deleted it.

FIRST!!! I have never been first!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (z4WKX)

5 4
I bought a new car last year, after 16+ years with same 1995 BMW,
navigation was free at the time. I have used it twice. I received an
email yesterday to tell me to update it for all the new roads for $245.
I deleted it.



FIRST!!! I have never been first!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (z4WKX)

Fail.


Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 08:38 PM (X6akg)

6 It's been a long running joke in the Army that too many soldiers are incapable of land navigation with just a map.

In fact, I've long thought that every brigade should have to do an exercise once every two or three years where they get no network connectivity whatsoever. Require them to conduct all operations using maps and radios.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 08:38 PM (HwgHt)

7 Fourth then, Tami!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 08:39 PM (z4WKX)

8 Carol: I'm still trying to figure out who your committee people are. Apparently nobody knows.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (I2LwF)

9
Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex?

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (I2LwF)


Wow what was in the last thread I missed. (Also do you mean by the moron horde, becuase that number is really high by itself!)

Posted by: tsrblke at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (GaqMa)

10 Kind of depends on what you're doing.

If you're just walking or driving around town, the penalty for not having a backup in case your GPS dies isn't very high.

If you're hiking remote areas, flying a small plane or boating on open water, you damn well better know two or three ways to navigate. People doing those things who rely solely on GPS or any sort of tech are just disasters in the making.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (AR+tO)

11 I prefer paper maps. The wife has to fold them for me, though.

Posted by: someoldguy at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (fR7g6)

12 What's GPS?

Posted by: @JavaJoeX at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (bbk1i)

13 I always got around fine without my Garmin, but I use it when I go somewhere unfamiliar. It helps.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:41 PM (I2LwF)

14 Sounds like much ado about nothing. Dumb people use tools dumbly. Smart people use tools smartly.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:36 PM (kcfmt)
Also I think this has a few reasons behind it.Firstly, People tend to assume the GPS is all knowing and never errors. This is far from true. It's often delayed or off by some distance or whatnot.Secondly because of that people shift into autopilot. So they don't look at the upcoming instructions (to keep an eye out for the turn) but just wait until the GPS tells them (and sometimes it's too late by then.)Once you figure out the limitations of the device, you can use it properly. (People are fairly familar with the limitations for paper maps already.)

Posted by: tsrblke at December 09, 2012 08:43 PM (GaqMa)

15 Think it's bad for pedestrians and drivers, most of the new pilots out there are lost without their GPS. Think about that.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 08:44 PM (GZitp)

16 As a cab driver ill use my gps thank you

Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 08:45 PM (8nysw)

17 Not to sound like an old curmudgeon here, but ...

Oh, who the hell am I kidding? Curmudgeon Mode: ENGAGE

Using a GPS without knowing how to use a map is like using a calculator without knowing how to add. You're at the mercy of the device because you never develop the skills to recognize when you're getting the wrong answer.

Then you do stupid things like this: http://goo.gl/rPGDi

Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2012 08:46 PM (OZPoa)

18 And forget using GPS on NJ highways. I'm pretty sure my GPS said, 'Aww....fuck it' once while driving there.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 08:46 PM (X6akg)

19 Trouble is, printed maps are becoming harder to find. For a map geek like me, that's a real problem.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at December 09, 2012 08:46 PM (NNP+l)

20 Also, what Drew said.

Posted by: Andy at December 09, 2012 08:48 PM (OZPoa)

21 I'm an map/geography geek and I never use the GPS on my phone. If I was travelling to somewhere new, maybe.
Sometimes getting lost is fun.
Intentionally got lost walking around Venice and it was a blast. (But then again, how lost can one get on an island?)

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 08:48 PM (L3rzp)

22 I tatooed the map on my son's head.

Posted by: Yellowbeard at December 09, 2012 08:48 PM (hq+RW)

23 "15
Think it's bad for pedestrians and drivers, most of the new pilots out there are lost without their GPS. Think about that.


Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 08:44 PM (GZitp)"

Any "New" pilot that does not fly with current charts, and the ability to use them, as a back-up for their GPS will probably not become an "Old" pilot...

Posted by: ChrisP at December 09, 2012 08:48 PM (D7DVk)

24
Pretty soon people won't know how to add, multiply,...etc,........(calculators)
read a map (GPS)
spell ( spell check)
or carry on a conversation with another person ( texting and other forms of electronic communication )
Yes, like this comment.

Won't be easy to survive when energy costs (necessarily ) go through the roof..........

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 08:49 PM (GQ7/O)

25 Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 08:38 PM (HwgHt)

A couple of years ago my B-i-l told me that his best friend, who does a *huge* amount of off-roading, had been approached by the military (army specifically I believe) to help them set up orienteering classes. I wonder if this means the program never went anywhere. At the very least, it shows that they are aware of being to tech dependent.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 09, 2012 08:49 PM (wbeNt)

26 21. Depends where you are when you're lost

Ex: east saint louis

Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 08:49 PM (8nysw)

27
I still fly using a sectional and I still sail with a chart. GPS is fun to use for logging a shoal or a bar or a swimming pool of nude girls sunbathing.
I would really like to learn celestial navigation..

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 08:50 PM (IpwkJ)

28 I bought a Garmin SporTrak GPS a few years ago and could never get the hang of it. My method is, I look at the position of the sun, I look at my watch, then consult the paper map.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:50 PM (8sCoq)

29 Is it more interesting to be lost and have your nose burried in a folded-up state map trying to figure out where they fuck you are?

Posted by: skinnydipinacid at December 09, 2012 08:51 PM (WuCLB)

30 We (most of us, I believe) are the generation that will be able to say "you know, before computers/gps/cell phones/etc..."

We're the bridge between low-tech and the fully hi-tech world into which the younger generations are being thrust. Some of us don't fully understand the new world, and many of us are forgetting the old. It kinda sux.

But when we die off (assuming the whole thing doesn't collapse, which it might), none of those things we think are important, like reading maps and memorizing phone numbers, will matter anymore.

They just won't. Nor should they.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (BeSEI)

31 I have an unused GPS device for my car. I keep an old road atlas in it, and I *love* my built in compass on the rear view mirror.

An interesting factoid -- the most remote location in the lower 48, defined as having to go the most distance in a 360 degree choice to hit any road, is just 20 over miles.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (ccXZP)

32 It's not that things need to be hard. It's that people lose the ability to do it the hard way should that become necessary.

Why, what have you heard?

Posted by: Young Japanese males at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (6TB1Z)

33 I have a whole stack of road maps in a drawer. I keep them because I am unwilling to use a GPS device. It takes too long.

I can look at a map and pretty much get in my head the route I want to take. GPS takes forever and ekes out a section of the route at a time.

I had to take an entire semester of "Maps and Aerial Photos" when I was getting my degree. At the time, geologists were expected to be able to plot outcrops on section maps, as well as strike and slip. When I went to field camp, I had to do it by myself with only a compass and an aerial photo for reference. In Montana wilderness.

So I want maps and I will continue to use them. I am getting my grandson a street map of Indianapolis and am going to teach him how to use it.

By the way, we also have kids who cannot tell time on a dial clock, and many who cannot tie shoes because of stretch laces and velcro.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 08:52 PM (GoIUi)

34 29. Don't forget the wife with the old 'pull over and ask, pull over and ask"
I hate that

Posted by: Navycopjoe at December 09, 2012 08:53 PM (8nysw)

35 I got rid of my Thomas Guide over a year ago. Plotting across several pages was always painful, as was trying to look at the map while driving whenever I inevitably took a wrong turn because I didn’t realize the exit ramp was on the left instead of the right or something like that.

Sure, you have to use it intelligently. But, at least in my case (Navigon on iPad) it shows you the map to approve when you give it the destination. If I don’t like the route it chose, I can try another one, and it will correct itself.

Even when I’m not using it for directions, it’s very useful to have an automatically scrolling map in easy sight as I’m driving an unfamiliar city. This is one of things science fiction promised us that actually came true.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (CeNUw)

36 It helps that the devices are getting much better due to lower costs and competition. There was a severe limit on storage for personal data and limited interaction on older units. You couldn't explore easily as you could with a map. But the newer device have to compete with smartphone apps and have made a lot of progress.

I would be tempted to get a mount for my phone and just use that in the car but the screen is too small for its high resolution. A bigger screen with a lower resolution works better for navigation. The unit I upgraded to recently is more like a mini-tablet with a 7" landscape oriented screen that uses just the right scale for picking up the needed info at a glance. Scaling down the res on a phone wouldn't work because the amount of info offered in one screen would be too low. So the dedicated unit continues to have its value.

I can see a likely scenario in a future car where the dash has a nice big screen that is driven by a phone or other device I plug in, so get the full features of the phone's hardware and software on a display that would be too bulky to carry around much of the time. Most Android phones like mine already have support for driving an external display, so its doable now. I expect there are cars that already support it but it could be a while before I get to replace my aging heap.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (kcfmt)

37 I don't drive very much. I don't have GPS.

I can read paper maps OK, but sometimes roads aren't marked well and I can't see the signs.

If there is any possible way for me to get lost, I will.

Which is why I don't travel very much. Better to stay home where I know where everything is.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (sdi6R)

38 >Is it more interesting to be lost and have your nose burried in a
folded-up state map trying to figure out where they fuck you are?



the idea is to plan your route ahead of time. PPPPPPP

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (8sCoq)

39 "Any "New" pilot that does not fly with current charts, and the ability
to use them, as a back-up for their GPS will probably not become an
"Old" pilot."

I shouldn't even say new pilot, it's a lot of pilots. Navigating via a sectional and pilotage is skill that needs practice, the GPS is eroding that skill.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 08:55 PM (GZitp)

40 the idea is to plan your route ahead of time.

That's crazy talk, is what that is.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 08:55 PM (6TB1Z)

41 I had to rent a car while in Vermont this past summer and the car came with a GPS and a compass. I ran into an unexpected and major detour, never touched the GPS, but got around just fine with the compass. My teenager was impressed so we turned on the GPS once we got back to NJ and dissed on it the whole time.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 08:56 PM (53riN)

42 26 -

I've been lost in E. St. Louis. Let me tell you, nothing really helps. Interstate entrance ramps aren't quite where they should be, and gps systems don't know about the detours caused by "construction" zones.

I put the word "construction" in quotes because I don't believe anyone is really constructing anything, nor have they for years.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 08:57 PM (BeSEI)

43 31 >> is just 20 over miles.

er, is just over 20 miles. urg.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 08:57 PM (ccXZP)

44 I've had multiple people mock me for having both a GPS and several maps in my car. I point out that if/when my GPS breaks, I'll still be able to get places. Look, I may not know my left from my right and I may be one of those people who thinks the direction I am currently pointing is always North but I can, in fact, use a map. It might take me a little bit longer, but I can do it.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 08:58 PM (Gk3SS)

45 If there is any possible way for me to get lost, I will.



Which is why I don't travel very much. Better to stay home where I know where everything is.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (sdi6R)

This is me. If I don't know which way I need to go or turn and I guess, I always guess wrong.

My husband, on the other hand, knows exactly which way to go no matter where he is on the effing planet.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 08:59 PM (X6akg)

46 I ran into an unexpected and major detour, never touched the GPS, but got around just fine with the compass.

Yes, my “new” car has a compass; it’s been invaluable. Although I think it was trying to tell me something the last time I left Dallas to return to San Diego. About an hour out of Dallas it flipped East and West. Didn’t return to normal until pulling out of Yuma.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 09, 2012 08:59 PM (CeNUw)

47 Inventions. Making things easier for the last 40,000 years.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 09:00 PM (6JMZR)

48
...just like how the calculator made us less math smart.

FWIW..I really enjoy getting out in the wilderness and getting around with just a compass and a topographical map

( and my iphone...you know...just in case)

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:00 PM (Yhu4q)

49 "Well, there's an easy enough fix: Make sure you still have paper maps
(or buy them if you no longer have them) and plot most of your trips via
map"

What are you talking about? This is clearly something that the federal government needs to act on. Expecting "people" to be able to make decisions on their own is... well, it's racist. Why do you hate teh wimminz and minorities?

Posted by: JohnJ at December 09, 2012 09:00 PM (Tt6ky)

50 Truman, The links to their names are dead. They have been like that since the summer. I was trying to find out what district I would be in when they were done here. I sent an email to MA GOP general email and Ed Markey, my then congressman. HIs office called and left me a VM to tell me I'm still in district but I will have Capuano as a rep instead. MA GOP never bothered to respond.
They don't exist for my city.
Thank you, if you find them email me.
Carol

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:01 PM (z4WKX)

51 AAAAA

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at December 09, 2012 09:01 PM (hqrZr)

52
I spend half my work day on the road.
Ms. Tom Tom definetly beats Mrs. Hagstramm.

She doesn't get upset when I miss the turn, calmly getting me back on track.
And she never has to pee.
Perfect.

Posted by: Lt. Smokey of the LIB Brigade at December 09, 2012 09:01 PM (fl8vK)

53 GPS is great on the ocean, you can immediatley find sunken islands, reefs etc. for fishing and when it's foggy you can get around without running into something solid. I have never used one driving a car though.

Posted by: robtr at December 09, 2012 09:01 PM (rTgOf)

54 45 Tami
This is me. If I don't know which way I need to go or turn and I guess, I always guess wrong.


Yep, same here. My guesser is dysfunctional.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (sdi6R)

55 Never understood GPS navigation...or the need for maps.
I know where I am.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (6asKn)

56 Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex? Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (I2LwF)


On average, none.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (Gk3SS)

57
"I shouldn't even say new pilot, it's a lot of pilots. Navigating via a sectional and pilotage is skill that needs practice, the GPS is eroding that skill."

Working a wind triangle and making accurate calculations enroute, better yet on the fly after being rerouted is definitely good exercise for the noodle.
I showed the kids in class a slide rule and tried to explain how its nothing more than a log scale. Whhhhaaaattt? Kids in aviation!

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (eINqu)

58
I like looking at maps. They fascinate me.
I'm weird that way

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (Yhu4q)

59 OT: Photo of Obama meeting Grim Reaper at Party

Now we know were screwed. The Grim Reaper was a guest at that Christmas party that Obama and PSY attended. You can see him in this photo, right in front of the president, grinning at him with his skeleton face.

I don't know the Grim Reaper was so short. He always looks taller in paintings.

http://tinyurl.com/aoetahl

Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (nMCEa)

60
36 It helps that the devices are getting much better due to lower costs and competition. There was a severe limit on storage for personal data and limited interaction on older units. You couldn't explore easily as you could with a map. But the newer device have to compete with smartphone apps and have made a lot of progress. I would be tempted to get a mount for my phone and just use that in the car but the screen is too small for its high resolution. A bigger screen with a lower resolution works better for navigation. The unit I upgraded to recently is more like a mini-tablet with a 7" landscape oriented screen that uses just the right scale for picking up the needed info at a glance. Scaling down the res on a phone wouldn't work because the amount of info offered in one screen would be too low. So the dedicated unit continues to have its value.I can see a likely scenario in a future car where the dash has a nice big screen that is driven by a phone or other device I plug in, so get the full features of the phone's hardware and software on a display that would be too bulky to carry around much of the time. Most Android phones like mine already have support for driving an external display, so its doable now. I expect there are cars that already support it but it could be a while before I get to replace my aging heap.
Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 08:54 PM (kcfmt)


Well the Samsung Galaxy S3 seems to have a screen almost that big. I've got a mount for my smartphone and it works pretty well. Placed it right about where the engine temperature gauge is, but that can still be visible, and that puts it in a spot i'm usually glancing at while driving so it works nice for me.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 09:03 PM (GULKT)

61 And forget using GPS on NJ highways.

I just avoid NJ. I refuse to drive through NJ period. Avoiding it entirely takes 20pt off your BP.

If heading N/S go through Binghampton and Pennsylvania. Its about 50 miles longer, but $0.00 in tolls and often quicker on the clock. Getting through Harrisburg, even during the height of rush hour, is only a 1/2 hour proposition.

I think I66 out of Front Royal pops you onto I95 about 10 miles south of D.C.

Going that inland route, you can drive from the Canadian border down to Key West without paying a dime in tolls


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:04 PM (2RJQo)

62 Survival skills are good. The people who are smart enough to learn them are the ones that should carry on.

That said, there's lots of shit I don't want to learn how to do. Like make a pair of shoes from tree bark. I like technology.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 09:04 PM (6JMZR)

63 amazing one handed catch by DET receiver not named Megatron

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:04 PM (8sCoq)

64 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:04 PM (2RJQo)

Careful on rte 17 near Deposit...you don't want to get a speeding ticket.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:05 PM (6asKn)

65 shit- DET puttin it on the Pack. 14-0

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:05 PM (8sCoq)

66
I like the GPS for alerting me to my exits on extended trips. Otherwise, i pour over a map prior to and during a trip. There are 9 maps in my office at this moment: 7 1/2 topos, 1:100k maritine charts, and a 1:1million road map. I like maps. Have over 100 topos of places i have hiked in my youth. When the EMP hits, you're gonna want a map or two.
On a visit to see my uncle in the hospital in Oak Lawn, IL, i took a wrong exit and ended up on Martin Luther King Drive. WAR ZONE. burned out cars on the streets....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 09, 2012 09:06 PM (hq+RW)

67 When I was in AIT for the Forward Observer MOS at Ft Sill in the late 70's they took us about 10 miles out in the field and handed us terrain maps. They told us we'll see you at the last flag. The flags were only about 10 inches high, and so hard to find until you tripped on one.

Rattlesnakes weren't hard to find though.

Of course those were in the pre (historic) laser range finder days too.

......good times (except for Carter)

Posted by: ontherocks at December 09, 2012 09:06 PM (aZ6ew)

68 I just avoid NJ. I refuse to drive through NJ period. Avoiding it entirely takes 20pt off your BP.


======


When my daughter was playing travel basketball, I couldn't avoid it. Many of the tournaments were IN NJ.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 09:06 PM (X6akg)

69 FINALLY. Hi Horde!


*waves*



I have gps. I use mapquest. But those are guides. I always make sure I know where I'm going and the surrounding area/alternate routes.


People are just looking for quick and easy without taking the time to understand that there may deviations, you may get lost, things don't always go as planned.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:07 PM (GEICT)

70 Where we're going, we won't need GPS. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (jucos)

71 overcome improvise adapt

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (8sCoq)

72 #24

I completely disagree.

Calculators aren't very useful if you don't understand the task you're asking it to perform. This is why teachers don't object to them in the upper grades. It only speeds up the process of dealing with complex problems. It isn't a substitute for being able to work the smaller problems within.

Spell check has made me a better speller. Having the reinforcement prevents me from retaining a mistake that becomes an embarrassment and with repetition I eventually just write it correctly on my own.

Before the BBS scene and later the internet, my written conversation skills were severely underdeveloped. There was no basis for practice as I had little use for written correspondence. If anything, the internet has brought about a renaissance of written communication that was falling by the wayside in an era dominated by teenage telephone exchanges consisting of little more than grunts.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (kcfmt)

73 @66:"It's that people lose the ability to do it the hard way should that become necessary."
--

Cf. Almost all housework and things that directly affect one's understanding of the basic economics of living and the work and production that go into maintaining a certain standard of lifestyle.

In other news, TAX THE RICH, TAX THE RICH, TAX THE RICH!!!11!!!!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (Y5I9o)

74 here be dragons

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:08 PM (8sCoq)

75 59 OT: Photo of Obama meeting Grim Reaper at Party


I wonder if Obama noticed the Grim Reaper there or if he was only in the picture?

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (z4WKX)

76 Yes, GPS are dumbing down our kids. I am old. I use maps, but more important, I travel and I remember where the fuck I've been and how to get back, no GPS needed.

When I was a kid I always marveled at how my dad knew where the fuck he was going hundreds of miles from our home. It's called memory.

The GPS stops kids from remembering how they got there. They got there by a GPS, they paid no attention to how or where they were, they turned when the GPS told them. Try to look up the entire route on a GPS, not much help, look at a map.

I have made my sons stop using them.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (wR+pz)

77 56 Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex? Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:37 PM (I2LwF)

-----------

On average, none.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (Gk3SS)




Well, the Horde can fix that little problem.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (GEICT)

78 59 -

Seriously, what the heck is up with Ghost Rider being there??

I'm not even going to comment on the "kill Americans" singer shaking hands with the Scoamf. Lots of Koreans hate America. We only have one President however, who also hates America.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (BeSEI)

79 Every lost hunter/hiker I find these days has a GPS unitand/or a Smartphone.
Never a compass, though.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (6asKn)

80 >On average, none.





Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:02 PM (Gk3SS)



How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (8sCoq)

81 written communication that was falling by the wayside in an era dominated by teenage telephone exchanges consisting of little more than grunts

President Clinton?

Posted by: Stephen Intern Blair at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (CeNUw)

82
About ten years ago, I took a trip to Ireland.
Upon arriving, I bought quite few maps and figured out how to get Point A to Point B and B.
Even while sitting in the wrong seat of the car and driving on the wrong side of the road, I was confident because I had done a lot of pre-planning.

I wasn't prepared for the "round-abouts" or the experience of backing up the car, while sitting "shotgun", with a nervous wife blathering the whole while.
Yes we made it back alive and had a grand time.

It was all about the planning and adapting, GPS wasn't available.

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (GQ7/O)

83 @72:"Calculators aren't very useful if you don't understand the task you're asking it to perform. This is why teachers don't object to them in the upper grades. It only speeds up the process of dealing with complex problems. It isn't a substitute for being able to work the smaller problems within."
--

That's correct in theory, but you clearly have not been in public schools lately. I have seen rooms full of high school students who are typing away on calculators and getting totally wrong answers because they have no clue about how to manage order of operations and why it's done that way.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (Y5I9o)

84 Well, the Horde can fix that little problem.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (GEICT)



What makes you think I consider it to be a problem? I don't worry about disease or pregnancy or accidentally causing someone to undergo horrific emotional scarring. It's great!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:11 PM (Gk3SS)

85
Where we're going, we won't need GPS


Even if the collapse craters GPS service, there are multi-system units that work with the Russian GLONASS system too.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:12 PM (2RJQo)

86
That's correct in theory, but you clearly have
not been in public schools lately. I have seen rooms full of high
school students who are typing away on calculators and getting totally
wrong answers because they have no clue about how to manage order of
operations and why it's done that way.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (Y5I9o)

But isn't that exactly his point? If you don't know what you are doing, calculator is useless.

Posted by: KG at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (IPz9m)

87 " or accidentally causing someone to undergo horrific emotional scarring. "

but that's the most fun part of all!!!!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (53riN)

88 GPS - it tells you a route between Point A to Point B, but often times not the best route. For example right through inner cities. Urk.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (Sz+px)

89 The only time a gps was worth a damn was when I was drunk as shit and my gps told me to turn right, I thought left. I was at a wedding and I got home.

PRAY GOD!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:14 PM (wR+pz)

90 My Dad used to pour over paper maps from Standard Oil before we went on any trip. He navigated most major cities beautifully sans Boston. If I remember correctly a garbage truck tipped over in the Harbor Tunnel causing MAJOR traffic disruptions. I was always amazed at how he knew his way around. I have picked up this skill as well. Once I have been there I can get there again.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 09:14 PM (jucos)

91
>>Inventions. Making things easier for the last 40,000 years.

Heh! True.
I was out at my little slice of heaven know as Harbor Freight tools today whenI came across magnesium striking blocks they had on sale for $2.00 a pop.
I bought a dozen.
They'll make life easier when Ogabegeddon hits

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:14 PM (Yhu4q)

92 84
What makes you think I consider it to be a problem? I don't worry about disease or pregnancy or accidentally causing someone to undergo horrific emotional scarring. It's great!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:11 PM (Gk3SS)



Well, as a male with, as my wife puts it, the libido of a 15 yr old virgin, it would be a problem for me. But to each his own.


PS - this may violate Rule #1, but considering at least some of your....proclivities....how is pregnancy a concern?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (GEICT)

93 >>>What makes you think I consider it to be a problem?... It's great!


Underneath that hard shell, I bet there's a soft chewey nougat.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (6asKn)

94 34th st still on AMC.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (wR+pz)

95 GPS, GLONASS and Galileo are for sat nav. The EU had to blow tens of millions of Euros to launch a system that merely duplicates the capabilities of GPS. Ego-nationalism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (Sz+px)

96 I wonder if Obama noticed the Grim Reaper there or if he was only in the picture?

I didn't even think of that! I thought surely the Grim reaper was an invited guest, the ultimate Obama middle finger raised to us, but maybe you're right.

Maybe he was there in his official capacity and was invisible to everyone at the party.

Posted by: Llarry at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (nMCEa)

97 @86:"But isn't that exactly his point? If you don't know what you are doing, calculator is useless.
Posted by: KG at December 09, 2012 09:13 PM (IPz9m)"
--
Right, but since the kids have the calculators, time isn't being taken up to actually teach them what they don't know how to do. Because, hey, they have the calculators.

I know that doesn't make sense, but remember, this is the public school system I'm talking about.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (Y5I9o)

98 For example right through inner cities. Urk.

30 years ago I made a wrong turn somewhere and wound up in Harlem at about 127th street around 3am in the morning. I ignored all the stop lights and stop signs and never slowed down once I realized where I was.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (2RJQo)

99
Travelling through KY once, my GPS had me take a route through Hazard KY.

...ever been through Hazard KY? The name's a clue

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (Yhu4q)

100 Wow the latest Family Guy has another conservative = nazi joke.

I'm absolutely stunned.

Posted by: weew at December 09, 2012 09:17 PM (ElfHn)

101 O/T But I have email from Boehner saying raising taxes is not the answer, cutting spending is.
Let's see how long he holds out!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:18 PM (z4WKX)

102 Just had a discussion of doing things the hard way first when we were out hunting. Using a mil dot scope to estimate range. Everyone was showing off all high tech redneck, when my uncle mentioned that none of us could shoot if we ran out of batteries. It made for an interesting discussion on a day when no deer came around.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 09, 2012 09:18 PM (iuY0Y)

103 "Serious question for alexthechick: how many times per week are you propositioned for sex? Posted by Truman North

On average, none."

That could be up to once every two weeks - rounds down to 0.

Posted by: FOAF at December 09, 2012 09:19 PM (Kz60W)

104 PS - this may violate Rule #1, but considering at least some of your....proclivities....how is pregnancy a concern?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (GEICT)



Problem with seeing guy = getting knocked up. Problem with seeing girl = horrific emotional scarring. Problem with not seeing either = stupid having to find new ways into the power plant.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (Gk3SS)

105 Some horse's ass this past summer drove into the boat ramp in Whittier AK because his GPS told him to. Right into the ocean. Goodbye expensive Jeep.


This is Alaska, mind you, which really should not rely on GPS info from the Lower 48, because they just don't get it.

Posted by: tcn at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (VLG62)

106
I have a gps for hunting, which has saved me a few times in snowstorm but also been terribly off. No excuse for not having a compass and knowing which direction is north, which direction you hiked and which direction to get you back.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (n/ubI)

107 Simpler explanation: Stupid people without sense of direction and who would otherwise stay home use GPS as some kind of crutch to get them places they had previously feared to tread. GPS doesn't make people stupid, rather it enables stupid people.

Alternative explanation: The Japanese realized there were places to see that didn't sell bizarre anime about ten year olds getting raped by tentacles.

Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (LUnTP)

108 Let's see how long he holds out!
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:18 PM (z4WKX)
----------------------------------------------------
About as long as I would with Kate Upton.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (jucos)

109
98 For example right through inner cities. Urk.30 years ago I made a wrong turn somewhere and wound up in Harlem at about 127th street around 3am in the morning. I ignored all the stop lights and stop signs and never slowed down once I realized where I was.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:16 PM (2RJQo)


My bro-in-law drives trucks and has run routes to NYC several times. He has said that at night in one area he had a cop behind that contacted him through the CB and told him to just go through all the red lights and stop signs in the area and he'd be right behind him.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 09:20 PM (GULKT)

110 >>>Using a mil dot scope to estimate range.

Handy tool, that.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:21 PM (6asKn)

111 The EU had to blow tens of millions of Euros to launch a system that merely duplicates the capabilities of GPS.

Not relying on tech run by the US government may prove to be prescient in a few years.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:21 PM (2RJQo)

112 Paper maps for small towns are hard to come by.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 09, 2012 09:22 PM (wSTfB)

113 8 Carol: I'm still trying to figure out who your committee people are. Apparently nobody knows.
Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 08:40 PM (I2LwF)

Truman North- I responded up above at #50.
Thank you, Carol

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:22 PM (z4WKX)

114 PurpAv, back in 1999. In Maryland for work. Tried to find the mall in Towson. Got turned around and went into inner Baltimore. White folk in a Toyota with out of state tags lost in broad daylight. And very nervous. I turned around as fast as possible and eventually found the mall.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:22 PM (Sz+px)

115 PS - this may violate Rule #1, but considering at least some of your....proclivities....how is pregnancy a concern?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:15 PM (GEICT)


You must have missed her inferences of being the meat in between a Dwayne Johnson/Kate Upton sandwich.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 09:23 PM (GULKT)

116 Oh, no Kris is in Bellevue!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:23 PM (wR+pz)

117 I thought Ewoks had a flawless sense of direction?

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:23 PM (6asKn)

118 it's schneein' pretty good in Lambowe

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:24 PM (8sCoq)

119 Is GPS Making Us Dumber And Less Interesting?


Obviously yes if one thinks it is dumb to obey the commands of an automatron vs. figuring shiite out for oneself.

Posted by: Obamao at December 09, 2012 09:24 PM (JtyGg)

120 Off the subject, and because only Maet knows when the ONT is going up, I found a great pork tenderloin recipe on All Recipes. It's a simple sauce you put together in ten minutes and then slow cook it for ten hours. Fecking. Dee. Licious.

Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:25 PM (LUnTP)

121 "112
Paper maps for small towns are hard to come by."

Don't really need them anymore, just your computer and printer. That's what Yahoo or Google maps are for.



Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 09:26 PM (GZitp)

122 Okay that bit about how they kept the field clear was really interesting.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:26 PM (Gk3SS)

123 I know enough German to recognize that word!

SNOW

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:26 PM (2RJQo)

124 TCM is showing 'We're No Angels' Three cons who are far better humans than someone who is of polite society. It's a fun movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:26 PM (Sz+px)

125 GB scored on a scoop n 6

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (8sCoq)

126 I love watching defensive linemen recover fumbles and run in for a score!


Too funny!

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (X6akg)

127
79Every lost hunter/hiker I find these days has a GPS unitand/or a Smartphone.
Never a compass, though.




Oh no! You aint' a gettin' shit out of me!

Posted by: Hollis Wood at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (hq+RW)

128 Scneeweiss ja?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (Sz+px)

129 108 Let's see how long he holds out!
Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:18 PM (z4WKX)
----------------------------------------------------
About as long as I would with Kate Upton.

You made me lose faith in Boehner. Sarc!

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (z4WKX)

130 wunderbar, Purp

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (8sCoq)

131 Wow. Every ad for Dark Knight Rises makes me want to see it less. I did not know that was possible.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (Gk3SS)

132 Problem with seeing guy = getting knocked up. Problem with seeing girl = horrific emotional scarring. Problem with not seeing either = stupid having to find new ways into the power plant.


Scenario 1: yeah, that blows.


Scenario 2: guys live with fear of "Teh crazy". Totally worth it.


Scenario 3: those damn dogs can be a bitch.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (GEICT)

133 >I love watching defensive linemen recover fumbles and run in for a score!


how about that modified Lambeau Leap?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (8sCoq)

134 Nein, ist gelb.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (2RJQo)

135 >>>Scenario 1: yeah, that blows.

It's a punishment no girl should suffer.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at December 09, 2012 09:31 PM (6asKn)

136 gelb schnee? Mein Gott!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:31 PM (Sz+px)

137 how about that modified Lambeau Leap?


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (8sCoq)


LOL! He tried his bestest....they fans tried to help but that was a bridge too far for them.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 09:32 PM (X6akg)

138 >
Wow. Every ad for Dark Knight Rises makes me want to see it less. I did not know that was possible.


I thought Batman's flying whatzit was a little over the top, but I did like how they handled the Catwoman issue

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:32 PM (8sCoq)

139 Going to Argentina for Christmas, ordered three maps for the trip.

When I went to Tanzania getting maps was harder. Found old British military maps, big 2x3 ft. They had everything on them. Left one with our guide, he had no idea where shit was, except the route he knew. He studied that map for days.

I still have some. Africa is big as shit. I mean BIG.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:33 PM (wR+pz)

140 Wow. Every ad for Dark Knight Rises makes me want to see it less. I did not know that was possible.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:29 PM (Gk3SS)

If you haven't seen Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (or did but didn't enjoy them) I'd say there's no rush. It's an honest to goodness trilogy so seeing the first two is kind of important to being able to really appreciate the finale.

BUT I thought The Dark Knight Rises was a great if slightly flawed capper to Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:34 PM (LUnTP)

141 #83

That isn't the fault of the calculators. It is the failure of the teachers or of the student.

The calculator doesn't understand much of anything. It can only execute instructions input by a human and be useful by doing much, much faster than the human. But the human needs to understand much tog et any value from the calculator.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:34 PM (kcfmt)

142 OT

W-Oof: Reminding us Obama ate a dog, White House gingerbread house features edibleBo

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:35 PM (8sCoq)

143 For Billy Bob, Toto 'Africa'
http://youtu.be/aCca5mPMp9A

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:35 PM (Sz+px)

144 Just pull over and ask somebody.

Posted by: No Guy Anywhere at December 09, 2012 09:35 PM (85EaA)

145 Ahhh, a snow game. Now it feels like Christmas.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:36 PM (yiIja)

146 If you haven't seen Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (or did but didn't
enjoy them) I'd say there's no rush. It's an honest to goodness
trilogy so seeing the first two is kind of important to being able to
really appreciate the finale.



I've seen the first two and I can tell you exactly why I have negative interest in the third. The Batvoice that Bale uses in TDK makes me laugh and laugh and laugh every single time he opens his mouth. Hell, just hearing it in the commercials makes me snicker. I simply cannot get past it.


Also, fuck you Gary Oldman. Commissioner Gordon is not supposed to be hotass. Stupid Gary Oldman in that stupid tactical gear being all stupid hot.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:37 PM (Gk3SS)

147
Oh no! You aint' a gettin' shit out of me!Posted by: Hollis Wood at December 09, 2012 09:27 PM (hq+RW)

I know that...what is that from?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 09:37 PM (85EaA)

148

I always enjoy reading maps. I'm serious.

So much is on a map other than roads.

And, graphical representations intrigue me, and please me.

I'm also the curious type.

Analytical thinking, critical thinking, curiosity, all go out the window with the GPS. And, the TV.

But, NOT the AOSHQ site!

When I plan a long road trip, I do use my GPS, but only after checking a map, and bringing a map/Atlas along with me. Always need a backup.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:37 PM (LpQbZ)

149 #139 I still have some. Africa is big as shit. I mean BIG.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:33 PM (wR+pz)

You are absolutely right. Flight from Ghana to Johannesburg is 7 hours!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 09:39 PM (GoIUi)

150 Just pull over and ask somebody.

Do that in parts of Miami, and you won't be driving out. A common ploy there is to direct tourists into Liberty City where they're jacked up by the locals.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:39 PM (2RJQo)

151 Up until a few years ago, GPS was not an authorized navigation device on the P-3. Still use paper charts, inertials, VORs and TACANs. Our NAVs aren't taking celestial shots anymore though.

Posted by: CDR M at December 09, 2012 09:40 PM (dKV5k)

152 But I think there is a general problem with some things being too
automated and thus too easy. It's not that things need to be hard.
It's that people lose the ability to do it the hard way should that
become necessary.



I use a hand-held GPS device for off trail hiking. It permits me to venture further afield without paying attention to where I am wandering. I could get back without using it, but it would involve extended road walks (which I have done).


As someone said, use the tools intelligently.

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 09, 2012 09:40 PM (z9HTb)

153 @143

Thanks, great song!

Kris is on trial, but just wait! The "Miracle" is going to happen!!

Ho ho fucking ho! Chanel AMC!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:40 PM (wR+pz)

154 On a visit to see my uncle in the hospital in Oak Lawn, IL, i took a wrong exit and ended up on Martin Luther King Drive. WAR ZONE. burned out cars on the streets....

Change the municipality and it remains true universally. Not much of a tribute to the man.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 09, 2012 09:40 PM (x8wJs)

155 Post office post office! It's coming!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:41 PM (wR+pz)

156 >I always enjoy reading maps. I'm serious.



So much is on a map other than roads.



And, graphical representations intrigue me, and please me.






Google Earth must be like a porn website for you

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:41 PM (8sCoq)

157 141 #83

That isn't the fault of the calculators. It is the failure of the teachers or of the student.
--

oh wait, I think I misread an earlier comment of yours and thought we were disagreeing about something when we're not. My bad.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:41 PM (Y5I9o)

158 >Change the municipality and it remains true universally. Not much of a tribute to the man.



Really - why is "MLK Blvd" always in the shittiest part of town?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:42 PM (8sCoq)

159 Joe Biden with a GPS. He would probably try to order a pizza with it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:42 PM (Sz+px)

160 #79

If they have a GPS device or smartphone, they have a compass. Whether they have the brains to utilize the function is another question. I'd be reluctant to place much faith in such an item if I didn't have any means to recharge it, like a little crank generator or small solar panel. Preferably a flashlight with both. Just because you don't intend to be out longer than the battery should last doesn't mean you shouldn't have some insurance.

What gets me is when hikers with long experience get lost and panic instead of following a few simple rules. Like following flowing water if you come across any, because it tends to lead to people making use of it. And if nothing else, you have water. It may be nasty water but the consequences of dehydration are quicker than most threats from the water.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:43 PM (kcfmt)

161 I've seen the first two and I can tell you exactly why I have negative interest in the third. The Batvoice that Bale uses in TDK makes me laugh and laugh and laugh every single time he opens his mouth. Hell, just hearing it in the commercials makes me snicker. I simply cannot get past it.


Also, fuck you Gary Oldman. Commissioner Gordon is not supposed to be hotass. Stupid Gary Oldman in that stupid tactical gear being all stupid hot.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:37 PM (Gk3SS)

The voice is dumb, but think of it this way it *is* something that Batman does. Usually the actor just lowers his voice as Batman and speaks in his normal voice as Bruce Wayne. Bale...well, I don't know what he was thinking, but he did it and Nolan thought it was alright. I'm fine with it. I still say he was a better Bruce Wayne than Batman (Michael Keaton was best all around while the guy who voiced the 90s cartoon had the best voice).

As for Oldman, I, uh...wouldn't know about that.

Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:43 PM (LUnTP)

162 Google Earth must be like a porn website for you


Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:41 PM (8sCoq)

True dat.
I wish I could have it printed and on demand.
Why does fucking apple allow google earth, but not google maps?
Same shit. Fuck Apple.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:43 PM (wR+pz)

163 I really like snow. I could watch them play football in it all day long.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:44 PM (yiIja)

164 What is GPS,and..is it waterproof?

Posted by: TeddyK wet fat lost&dead at December 09, 2012 09:44 PM (E16uG)

165 Like following flowing water if you come across any, because it tends to lead to people making use of it.


When I watched The Blair Witch Project, I kept screaming at them "Follow the fucking stream you fucking idiots, you deserve to be strung up by your entrails!"



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:44 PM (Gk3SS)

166
Depends on the application. A GPS is great for finding a small lake in a mountainous forest. That's after you get the coordinates off a map, heh.

Finding something out in the boonies? I'm an ex-surveyor, give me the map, sit down, shut up and hold on.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 09:44 PM (1Y+hH)

167 It's been a long running joke in the Army that too many soldiers are incapable of land navigation with just a map.


I would never go out without my compass. Or my sock puppet.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 09:44 PM (z9HTb)

168 #158

Because the gesture is always made towards a particular audience. It was already the worst part of town. Renaming it to MLK is just a way for Maxine Waters types to suck up to their constituents at no real cost to themselves.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:45 PM (kcfmt)

169 146
Also, fuck you Gary Oldman. Commissioner Gordon is not supposed to be hotass. Stupid Gary Oldman in that stupid tactical gear being all stupid hot.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:37 PM (Gk3SS)




You have...interesting...taste in men.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:45 PM (GEICT)

170
Evenin' horde- Late to the party, and then had to go read todays Gun Thread, and then catch up here. I only use the GPS on the smart phone if I have to. Paper maps and Bing directions. Whoo-hoo, Panthers "whipped" the Falcons today, and now snow game.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 09:45 PM (mkb9H)

171 Snow is best viewed on postcards.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:45 PM (2RJQo)

172
This is what I've known for a long time.
I used to drive around two states selling employee benefits and enrolling people in their plans with sometimes a map. I would just look at the position of the sun.
Trouble got to be, every city and town have the same named streets!
Trees, presidents...

Posted by: Justamom at December 09, 2012 09:45 PM (Sptt8)

173 Joe Biden with a GPS. He would probably try to order a pizza with it.


What a clown that guy is ;-)

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 09:46 PM (z9HTb)

174 DET 14 GB 10 HALF

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:46 PM (8sCoq)

175 #162

Simple. Mapping apps are huge advertising portals. Google makes serious coin off Google Maps and Apple wanted to have it for themselves on their device.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:46 PM (kcfmt)

176 83 @72:"Calculators aren't very useful if you don't understand the task you're asking it to perform. This is why teachers don't object to them in the upper grades. It only speeds up the process of dealing with complex problems. It isn't a substitute for being able to work the smaller problems within."
--

That's correct in theory, but you clearly have not been in public schools lately. I have seen rooms full of high school students who are typing away on calculators and getting totally wrong answers because they have no clue about how to manage order of operations and why it's done that way.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 09, 2012 09:10 PM (Y5I9o)


It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.

Slide rules.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (sdi6R)

177 LOL AlextheChick.

'The Blair Witch Project' - the first horror movie I laughed the whole time at. Well don't consider 'The Abominable Dr. Phibes' as true horror, more black comedy especially when they had to unscrew that guy after being impaled by a unicorn.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (Sz+px)

178 Why does fucking apple allow google earth, but not google maps?

Apple isn't Burger King. You can't have it your way.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (2RJQo)

179 When I watched The Blair Witch Project, I kept screaming at them

You know they couldn't hear you... errr... right?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (6JMZR)

180 I would really like to learn celestial navigation..


F-I-L is a retired CG officer. I really should ask him to teach me.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (z9HTb)

181
Here's a fun quiz to see if youhave skill set tosurvive getting lost in wilderness
http://tinyurl.com/co7bthp

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:47 PM (Yhu4q)

182 Celestial nav was the hardest course I took in college, by far, and zero credit hours.

Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2012 09:48 PM (RURIy)

183 Kids today would be baffled by a slide rule. They'd have no idea where to put the batteries in, and would be stumped by the lack of USB charging port.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:48 PM (2RJQo)

184
>>It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.

...and don't forget the rockets

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:49 PM (Yhu4q)

185

I have to say, I always use an online mapping program when going somewhere new/far, too.

Like Google Maps.

I think the first one I ever used was MapQuest. There was another at the time, I just can't recall the name. I went between both and compared.

But, I always print those directions out (including the reverse directions to get back -- because sometimes it differs depending on how long the trip is).

I love knowing how many miles I have to go on each street/highway. I can say, okay, I've got 5 hours on this highway so I can zone out and listen to 5 cd's or whatever.

But, with these programs, you also get a map.

Love all the info.

I think my GPS is more used for searching for rest stops, gas, or restaurants. Those features are really nifty.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:49 PM (LpQbZ)

186

For that economic map: China's November exports up 2.9%, well below 9.6% Dow Jones survey forecast. - @MarketWatch



Now that's a miss...

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 09, 2012 09:49 PM (1Y+hH)

187 167 It's been a long running joke in the Army that too many soldiers are incapable of land navigation with just a map.

Damn straight. Right after Desert Storm I started running across platoon leaders who had completely lost the skill of reading a topo map.

They were tits up when the batteries on the GPS wore out.

Very embarrassing for a Scout Platoon to be unable to find a notable landmark.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:50 PM (sD0+h)

188 Next on TCM is 'Lady in the Lake.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:50 PM (Sz+px)

189 184
>>It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.

...and don't forget the rockets
Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:49 PM (Yhu4q)


Well, yeah. Those helped.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:51 PM (sdi6R)

190 >>>I would never go out without my compass. Or my sock puppet.

Don't forget your longbow.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:51 PM (6asKn)

191

Kids today would be baffled by a slide rule. They'd have no idea where to put the batteries in, and would be stumped by the lack of USB charging port.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 09, 2012 09:48 PM (2RJQo)


In our insta-gratification world, they simply do not have the patience.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:51 PM (LpQbZ)

192 Very embarrassing for a Scout Platoon to be unable to find a notable landmark.



Well what did you expect? There was no McDonald's or 7-11 to orient themselves.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:52 PM (GEICT)

193
141 epobirs 9:34pm
My original point (#24) was that if you don't know the basics of arithmatic, a calculator will not teach you.
You're "coat-tailing" technology.

Your point of speeding up the process is correct only if the person using the calculator understands the basics of why the answer is what it is and why that's so.

A kid working a McDonald's register may think it's some magical process. There is something wrong with that train of thought.

Technology is a great thing if you have a rough understanding of how it works.

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 09:52 PM (GQ7/O)

194 Jepsen flight computer would befuddle them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:52 PM (Sz+px)

195 I don't have any newish phone numbers memorized. If I lose my cell phone the only person I'll be able to call from someone else's phone is my mom. I couldn't tell you my two closest friends numbers to save my ass. WTF. Winning. The. Future.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at December 09, 2012 09:52 PM (/PJ/D)

196 >>>We got to the moon with slide rules.


and Tang.

Posted by: garrett at December 09, 2012 09:52 PM (6asKn)

197
Snow is best viewed on postcards.

Or in glass globes.

Two winters before I moved down here, we had a winter storm up in Huntsville. Four inches of snow followed by three inches of ice. It was a once in a lifetime thing for that part of the country. Lost power for a week while everyone around us had it. State troopers came and took the Daughter of Satan to work(she was a nurse, didn't see her for a week, so there's that), all the fish in the aquarium died. I put all the stuff from the refrigerator in a cooler and set it outside on the back porch. BBoy Squared was out of school all that week too.

It was along that time that palm trees started looking real good to me. That, plus you don't have to shovel heat.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:53 PM (yiIja)

198 Kids today would say, "Slide RULEZ, bitchez!"

Completely missing the point.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:53 PM (sdi6R)

199 Damn straight. Right after Desert Storm I started running across
platoon leaders who had completely lost the skill of reading a topo map.



That's why armies have NCOs.



They were tits up when the batteries on the GPS wore out.


It amuses me how much time I spend on charging batteries when I getting ready to 'trek through the wilderness'.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 09:53 PM (z9HTb)

200 This conversation reminds me of a Greg Egan book, 'Quarantine.' At the point where the story starts the stars have been gone for many years. The night sky is simply completely black except for objects within the Solar System.

This creates a scenario the exact opposite of what military planner had worried about. That over-dependence on GPS would lead to a generation of pilots and navigators who'd be lost if the satellite constellation were lost as part of a military action. Instead, GPS is the only thing that still works because the stars have gone missing.

Good book before he became so cosmic as to be unreadable.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:54 PM (kcfmt)

201 Well what did you expect? There was no McDonald's or 7-11 to orient themselves.

I note, as a point of reference, that they were all from your generation.

Now get off my lawn!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:54 PM (sD0+h)

202 Oy....here goes Costas.................

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 09:54 PM (X6akg)

203

Ok,
I just tried to post another improper and inept moron compliment/proposition to the lovely and sexy Alexthechick and a
message popped up saying “look you annoying
little fuckwad reject; stop posting like that or I will kill you.” (see below)

“Your message has been rejected because long strings of unbroken text
are very annoying. Use the space bar or tinyurl.com as appropriate.”

My post in Word looks all groovy and
shit. What gives? When I post it looks like my cats hairball.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 09:54 PM (t2xha)

204 Shut up Costas you putz.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (85EaA)

205
hey! that was better!

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (t2xha)

206 OK, the only time the post office employees do something right.


Natille Wood at 12 is still a hot thing!


Still on AMC, the original bitch slap movie!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (wR+pz)

207 201 I note, as a point of reference, that they were all from your generation.

Now get off my lawn!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:54 PM (sD0+h)




I'm 31. How old are you?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)

208 Guido, nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (Sz+px)

209 My post in Word


I see the Area of Concern.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 09:56 PM (Gk3SS)

210 shit. What gives? When I post it looks like my cats hairball.

That must be some pussy.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:56 PM (sD0+h)

211 >>It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.

We got to the moon with guys who knew how to use slide rules.

Slide rules or calculators. If you don't know the tool, (or if you can't set up the problem/equation correctly), you fail.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 09:57 PM (ifYRI)

212 Guido, your friend is Notepad. Not Word.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:57 PM (Sz+px)

213 #193

The icon driven registers at fast food joints are not intended for high school graduates. They're aimed at Latino immigrants who may have had no schooling to speak of at all and are functionally illiterate in their native tongue.

Calculators do not produce crippled students. Crappy schools produce crippled students.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 09:57 PM (kcfmt)

214 I'm 31. How old are you? Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)

Older than you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (sD0+h)

215 Can someone explain to me why people have to type their post in Word first?


I do not understand it.


If you're able to copy and paste from Word into this comment box, why can't you just type in the comment box?

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (X6akg)

216
A great story by Asaac Asimov: "The Feeling of Power"

"Yes,
Programmer," said Aub, ducking his head. He fished a small pad
out of one shirt pocket and an artist's hairline stylus out of the
other. His forehead corrugated as he made painstaking marks on the
paper.
General
Weider interrupted him sharply. "Let's see that."
Aub
passed his the paper and Weider said, "Well, it looks like the
figure seventeen."
Congressman
Brant nodded and said, "So it does, but I think I could make a
passable seventeen myself, even without practice."
"If
you will let Aub continue, gentlemen," said Shuman without heat.
Aub
continued, his hand trembling a little. Finally he said in a low
voice, "The answer is three hundred and ninety-one."
Congressman
Brant took out his computer a second time and flicked it, "By
Godfrey, so it is. How did he guess?"
"No
guess, Congressman," said Shuman. "He computed that result.
He did it on this sheet of paper."
"Humbug,"
said the general impatiently. "A computer is one thing and marks
on paper are another."



Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (udOjI)

217 ahhhh Noootepad....thank you yoda.....

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (t2xha)

218 Costa's it's called f*ck the man attitude. Things in place for player sheesh...

Posted by: lions at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (MTPLw)

219
I was taught to think in terms of North-South-East-West as a little kid.

I hate to hear people give directions with "turn left" or "turn right", instead of usingN-S-E-W.

Even though I was the only girl in the family, myDad would alwaysgive me the map and tell him which way to turn, on our family road trips.
[My brothers were too busyhitting each other and having farting contests.]

I taught my own kids to think in terms of N-S-E-W too...and they have never had any trouble with getting lost.

I'm also one of those map-geeks who loves to look at maps.

Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (CM59X)

220 Peter King was breathlessly reporting on NBC how some players had turned in their guns.

@SI_PeterKing 2 hrs
Said on NBC that in last wk 7 NFL players have turned over firearms to club or NFL security officials. One, like Belcher, had multiple guns.

@SI_PeterKing 2 hrs
One of the players who surrendered firearm said he didn't trust himself with guns in the house after Belcher story.

Posted by: Jose/ningrim at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (srIqv)

221 Slide rules were made to be broken. I'll be here all week.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (6JMZR)

222 214
I'm 31. How old are you? Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)


I have credit cards older than that.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (wR+pz)

223 214 Older than you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 09:58 PM (sD0+h)




Lol. Gramps!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (GEICT)

224
I just remembered that my dad had one of those dashboard mounted compasses that floated in water.
...but he got lost all the damn time. The ensuing fights between him and my Mom are hilarious in retrospect

Posted by: Albie Damned at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (Yhu4q)

225 *flicks an ear*

Sean and BCochran, are you two going to re-enact West Side Story or something? Post video if so.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (Sz+px)

226
It bears repeating. We got to the moon with slide rules.

And using that English system of measurement. Take that, you metric-loving Euroweenies.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (yiIja)

227 Ok, obviously I did a bad thing. Do ex-lurkers go in the barrel? Or is that only for old timers and newbies get something Much. Worse.

Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (udOjI)

228 I hate it when the Little Lady (my name for the GPS) wants me to take an exit and then take the on-ramp right back onto the road from which I just exited. I have no problem with telling her that she will be ignored.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (B9aMH)

229 My toolbox doesn't work when i type in comments...no not that toolbox..ya know Bold, Ital and stuff... so i go to Word to make it look pretty.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:00 PM (t2xha)

230 I can haz free GPS from Obama plz?

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (sZTYJ)

231 Ok, obviously I did a bad thing. Do ex-lurkers go in
the barrel? Or is that only for old timers and newbies get something
Much. Worse.


Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (udOjI)



You only go into the barrel if you actually break the blog.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (Gk3SS)

232 Lol. Gramps!Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (GEICT)

Pretty much.

But my wife is only a couple years older than you. So that's pretty sweet.

Hung like a bull hamster I am.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (sD0+h)

233 I'm 31. How old are you?


I'm not sure that's old enough to properly operate a lawn mower.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (z9HTb)

234 76 Yes, GPS are dumbing down our kids. I am old. I use maps, but more important, I travel and I remember where the fuck I've been and how to get back, no GPS needed.

When I was a kid I always marveled at how my dad knew where the fuck he was going hundreds of miles from our home. It's called memory.

The GPS stops kids from remembering how they got there. They got there by a GPS, they paid no attention to how or where they were, they turned when the GPS told them. Try to look up the entire route on a GPS, not much help, look at a map.

I have made my sons stop using them.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 09:09 PM (wR+pz)


It's been suggested that books have done the same thing to memory. Our pre-literate ancestors thousands of years ago apparently had much better memories than we do today.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (sdi6R)

235 I am not an animal. I am a human being!!!!!!

Posted by: Word at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (6JMZR)

236 225 *flicks an ear*

Sean and BCochran, are you two going to re-enact West Side Story or something? Post video if so.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:59 PM (Sz+px)



I. Do. Not. Sing. That would clear the HQ in a serious hurry.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:02 PM (GEICT)

237 Sean and BCochran, are you two going to re-enact West Side Story or something? Post video if so.

I only do that for a nominal fee.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:03 PM (sD0+h)

238 229
My toolbox doesn't work when i type in comments...no not that
toolbox..ya know Bold, Ital and stuff... so i go to Word to make it look
pretty.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:00 PM (t2xha)

No one's toolbox is working. It was disabled about a year ago because some stupid troll broke the blog.
If you want your post to look pretty, use [ ] and [ /] insert, i for italics, b for bold, s for strikethrough and u for underline in the brackets and after the slash in the last bracket.
i.e., [ i ] and [ /i]
I put in extra spaces to show you....remove those to use it.

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 10:03 PM (X6akg)

239 did costas have another rant? I was dropping a deuce

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:03 PM (8sCoq)

240 SoI have no idea how I made it home whacked out of my mind without a GPS. At least nowI can get back close enough where I recognize something. Like my front door.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:03 PM (t2xha)

241 I want to know if google is fucking with me. I look up one of may newly favorite quotes of all time and AoS is second in the result for:

The engineers are saying that they can't turn the bass up.' I said, Why? They said, 'Well, it's going into the red.' And so he said to the engineers, 'Look, you go into the red, I'm giving you permission. Go in the red!

Posted by: Whatev at December 09, 2012 10:03 PM (2t6Gz)

242 #176

We got to the Moon with intelligent people exploiting the best tools they had available.

If you went to NASA in 1967 with a package consisting of a Commodore 64 with basic peripherals and priced it at $25,000 each (in 1967 dollars, mind you), NASA would soon be handing you a few million bucks.

Smart people use tools well and recognize something useful when they see it.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (kcfmt)

243 In fact, I've long thought that every brigade should have to do an exercise once every two or three years where they get no network connectivity whatsoever. Require them to conduct all operations using maps and radios.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2012 08:38 PM (HwgHt)


It is becoming or has become a lost martial art. That should be a part of the training schedule. Land Nav was one of the most important areas of expertise an NCO possessed. Even the ash and trash MOS's were exposed to it.

Be shitty outta luck when then GPS goes down, the batteries run out without spares or satellites are knocked out. Go find a salty old First Sergeant, give him the Polish salute and say:

I'm looooossssst!!!!eleVenTy!!!111

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (2dvuN)

244 Heh Sean. You almost have a SMOD hash.

BCochran, so your voice is an area denial weapon. The deuce you say.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (Sz+px)

245 Well, let's see if McCarthy adjusts. It seems to be against his nature.

Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (GZitp)

246 How come Costas didn't "go all 'anti-car culture'"?

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (mkb9H)

247 BUT I thought The Dark Knight Rises was a great if slightly flawed capper to Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Posted by: Robert at December 09, 2012 09:34 PM (LUnTP)


Of course if they intend to tie it into their planned Justice League movie, then Warner Bros really is fucking clueless.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (GULKT)

248 Only Democrats care about skin color

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (O6t4T)

249 If you went to NASA in 1967 with a package consisting of a Commodore 64 with basic peripherals and priced it at $25,000 each (in 1967 dollars, mind you), NASA would soon be handing you a few million bucks.


Heh....no shit.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 10:05 PM (2dvuN)

250 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 10:01 PM (Gk3SS)

Thank you, Alexthechick, I'm sure that's next on my 'how to get the kind of attention you don't want' agenda. That and falling down the escalator at the mall, taking out shoppers like nine pins.

Posted by: Pentangle at December 09, 2012 10:05 PM (udOjI)

251 I think reliance on technology to do so many things IS making us rather weak mentally--witness the 2012 election. I never remember phone numbers now--even my own--unless I store them in the phone. I try to do as much math in my head as I can before calling up the calculator, but it's a great temptation. Noone really needs to know how to do math anymore.

The machines do so much for us.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2012 10:05 PM (xjpRj)

252 Rodgers runs for a TD

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:06 PM (8sCoq)

253 I've seen the first two and I can tell you exactly why I have negative interest in the third. The Batvoice that Bale uses in TDK makes me laugh and laugh and laugh every single time he opens his mouth. Hell, just hearing it in the commercials makes me snicker. I simply cannot get past it.

They actually did tone it down for the third one compared to the second. Still a bit silly though. They should have just let Bale lower it naturally like he did in Batman Begins instead of doing it through digital sound editing like in The Dark Knight.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 10:06 PM (GULKT)

254 Way to give up on the play, Detroit

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2012 10:07 PM (hO9ad)

255 Ohhhh....cripes..blogging 101...I now leave to flog myself....uuuh Alex I could use some help here..see another moron compliment.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:07 PM (t2xha)

256 Nice, Rogers!

Posted by: Tami at December 09, 2012 10:07 PM (X6akg)

257 The machines do so much for us.

Yes, Dave. We do.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:07 PM (sD0+h)

258 Rodgers! Discount Double Check!

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 10:07 PM (85EaA)

259 give him the Polish salute


Dare I ask?

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (z9HTb)

260 The machines do so much for us.

Next up, teledildonics!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (xKC/c)

261 Shit my Amex card says member 1978.

I called to get a car recently, and the guy asked me if I was 25. I told him I wasn't sure, but my card was.

He was a little embarrassed.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (wR+pz)

262 .I now leave to flog myself....uuuh Alex I could use some help here..

*eyebrow arch*


And why should you be rewarded?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (Gk3SS)

263 Ten o'clock. Mrs. North is re-wiring the Hi-Fi and whatever.

You see, shortly before the children were to go to bed, her friend called her to move a TV cabinet to her friend's home.

Unfortunately, the TV cabinet did not fit in their home. So Mrs. North brough it home.

It is ugly and flimsy and it will now be in my living room FOREVER.

What of the last TV cabinet you might ask if you were trying to hold up your end of the conversation?

Sitting in my front foyer. Well, sitting is the wrong word. Occupying it, I guess, is better. I can no longer use my front door.

But BY GOD we have a NEW FUCKING PIECE OF FUCKING FURNITURE!! Even though we not only don't need it, but have no room for it.

And did I mention it is ugly and flimsy?

WTF is this fucking shit that keeps happening to my house!!!

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (I2LwF)

264 Also, a GPS allows you to do more exciting things like texting and gabbing with friends while driving.

Then that double thunk when you hit a small animal...or was it? Cause you weren't looking. Oh well. I'm sure everything will be OK.


Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (iuY0Y)

265 "The machines do so much for us."

For now.

Posted by: Skynet at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (GZitp)

266 >>>When I was a kid I always marveled at how my dad knew where the fuck he was going hundreds of miles from our home. It's called memory.

I recently went back to the area where I grew up. Everything different, of course. Even roads and intersections that changed from 4-way to 3-way, that would throw me off.
But I felt hunches here and there where I was though everything was different.
What I realized was that I was remembering the topography -- Slow inclines, straightaways, a hill on the left, a certain curve here or there.

Deep lizard brain memory or something.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (xensB)

267 BCochran, http://tinyurl.com/bmy3yj4

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (Sz+px)

268 Okay so, that's me venting. Thanks.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (I2LwF)

269 "I believe, I believe"

Kris is out of jail!

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (wR+pz)

270 244 BCochran, so your voice is an area denial weapon. The deuce you say.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:04 PM (Sz+px)




I think, at some point in their life, everyone has come across cats having sex. That horrible sound they make? Imagine someone strangling the cat while it's making that sound. Then add in an utter lack of rhythm.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (GEICT)

271 We got to the Moon with intelligent people exploiting the best tools they had available.

We got there with slide rules. Those guys had a depth of understanding that few of the computer indoctrinated possess. Amazing to think I possess a cheap solar-powered calculator that has more computing power than the LEM or Command Module possessed.

The guts to do that are almost extinct.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 10:10 PM (2dvuN)

272 This has been thoroughly covered by Asimov's Foundation series.

Posted by: Fabio Escobar at December 09, 2012 10:10 PM (tG9V9)

273 Geez, people only think of HAL and Skynet. Fear Colossus instead.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:10 PM (Sz+px)

274 Map orienteering in Scouts in the 60's. Not rocket science. Good stuff.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:11 PM (4Mv1T)

275 Does anyone have a tale about really being lost? I do. My little sister and I, she was 11, I was 14. We were in Alaska, camping. Parents being not like nowadays, we got to explore! OMG! Luckily, I knew we were camped near a river, and followed it after locating it. Two girls from the prairie who thought you could always find your way back! Trees get in the way.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 10:12 PM (S+/pH)

276 >And did I mention it is ugly and flimsy?



WTF is this fucking shit that keeps happening to my house!!!




This is NOTHING. You stumble and lose your balance, falling into the item to 'steady yourself', destroying it completely.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:12 PM (8sCoq)

277 If you dropped me in my place of residence from the time I was six until I was 22, population 12,000-19,000 depending on the year, I could not tell you the vast majority of street numbers. But I could give you directions based on signs, buildings, and the number of intersections you needed to cross before turning. The joys of a visual direction-giver.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am at December 09, 2012 10:12 PM (B9aMH)

278 Geez, people only think of HAL and Skynet. Fear Colossus instead

Let's play a game.

Global Thermonuclear War.

Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2012 10:12 PM (sD0+h)

279 Moron TV: Mike Judge is coming out with a new series

Here --> http://tinyurl.com/cylkeg9

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 10:13 PM (O6t4T)

280 In geology classes we did a lot of mapping. We drew maps on paper, using Brunton compasses and pencils. Strike and dip, etc. Do it out in the boonies for long enough, you really learn to read terrain. Helpful even in today's GPS-world.

Posted by: Skokumchuk at December 09, 2012 10:13 PM (0Db2g)

281 The only winning move is not to play.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (Sz+px)

282

And why should you be rewarded? Posted by: alexthechick -
Ok dear Alex,I had a feeling you'd tell me to "go flog myself" in your own unique way......just a thought..lol.

Posted by: Guido at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (t2xha)

283 267 BCochran, http://tinyurl.com/bmy3yj4
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (Sz+px)



That accurate? You have a twin?


Bartender! Tequila shots for the ladies! And a double for the wife!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (GEICT)

284 My mom never gets lost. She says she has dead reckoning. Anyone?

Posted by: Kalneva at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (S+/pH)

285 Going to Argentina for Christmas, ordered three maps for the trip.


For trips abroad, I always get a few of these:

Fodor's
Frommer's
Lonely Planet
Baedeker
etc...

Travel Guides.

There is almost always a full map attached inside the back cover, and inside, zoom-in's/street levels for particular points of interest.

If I'm going somewhere, like Peru, to see Machu Picchu, for example, I buy a couple of the Peru travel guides, and separate ones for major cities, and major points of interest, like Machu Picchu.

I could not travel without them.

They are also full of the history of the place, culture, any particular warnings, and, as I mentioned in some earlier threads the other day on language, there's usually a good Addendum on how to speak the basic phrases to get by, and how to pronounce them. (They are actually a really good reference if you're righting a book, and need a wealth of information about a place, whether you've been there or not.)

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (LpQbZ)

286 259 give him the Polish salute


Dare I ask?
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:08 PM (z9HTb)



It's what we used to call a I-don't-know shrug. A favorite of Second Lieutenants.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 09, 2012 10:14 PM (2dvuN)

287 LOL BCochran. Actually Uni's ears are a bit smaller.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (Sz+px)

288 276 This is NOTHING. You stumble and lose your balance, falling into the item to 'steady yourself', destroying it completely.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:12 PM (8sCoq)



Good plan! It'll be on the curb by Wednesday.

I goddamned wish my wife was into shoes or something instead of shitty furniture. Every couple of years we have to get a truck to take away all the crap she accumulates and fills my basement with.

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (I2LwF)

289
Let's play a game.

Global Thermonuclear War.


Is that you, Joshua?

Joshua...what are you doing?

Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (CM59X)

290 It's what we used to call a I-don't-know shrug. A favorite of Second Lieutenants.

We used to call that the Polar Bear Salute.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (sD0+h)

291 What gets me is when hikers with long experience get lost and panic
instead of following a few simple rules. Like following flowing water if
you come across any, because it tends to lead to people making use of
it.



I remember my father taught me that. Something he had read.


Following a brook downhill sucks. It can be slow going. Raparian (streamside) woods cans be extremely scrappy. Try follow a ridge that is about 50' higher than the brook, if you can.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (z9HTb)

292 It's repeating Miracle on 34th st. AMC.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:17 PM (wR+pz)

293 I think, at some point in their life, everyone has
come across cats having sex. That horrible sound they make? Imagine
someone strangling the cat while it's making that sound. Then add in an
utter lack of rhythm.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (GEICT)



Adam Levine, is that you?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 10:17 PM (Gk3SS)

294 I used to be in the map business, and then was in the business of linking up digital map data. The early, and even not so early, versions were so frightening that my take-away became, use them but never trust them, like the safety on a hunting gun.

The Boy Scouts had an epic wresting match over this for over a decade, and seem to have worked a miracle solution if it takes. The Handbook is unchanged: as Scouts advance, they still have to learn rudimentary basics of compass land navigation. But the new Search and Rescue merit badge requires UTM/GPS integration.


Posted by: comatus at December 09, 2012 10:18 PM (qaVK+)

295 "Map orienteering in Scouts in the 60's. Not rocket science. Good stuff."



Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:11 PM (4Mv1T)

Exactly. Nowdays, "Geolocation" is crap. Those folks should try finding a marked well on a topo map after being carted within five miles, blinfolded, and given map compass only. It's easy as cake, once you bother to learn.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 10:19 PM (O6t4T)

296
267 BCochran, http://tinyurl.com/bmy3yj4
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:09 PM (Sz+px)


You might want to see a plastic surgeon about your ears.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2012 10:19 PM (GULKT)

297 This might make BCochran happier. Anime Central 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/a7sscdr

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:19 PM (Sz+px)

298 Missing ampersand. Map and compass. Too lazy to turn off scripts.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 10:20 PM (O6t4T)

299 Is that you, Joshua? Joshua...what are you doing? Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (CM59X)

If you too can quote lines from that movie, then according to BCochran, you're old. ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:20 PM (sD0+h)

300 My mom never gets lost. She says she has dead reckoning. Anyone?


Possible. I can do it, sometimes. Done it in the dark after the spruce trees ripped my GPS right off the lanyard.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:20 PM (z9HTb)

301 Jones- Speaking of tearing s^#t up. I got way carried away on the ONT Friday night, and stayed up way to late imbibing, and now I am the owner of a new toilet seat, after I broke the plastic hinges off the old. Mrs. was not pleased, nor impressed.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 09, 2012 10:20 PM (mkb9H)

302 I read some article once explaining men's stronger spatial intelligence is because their spatial memory is vector-based as opposed to women's being landmark-based.

Don't know if it was bunk, but it kinda made sense.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 09, 2012 10:21 PM (o/7Bl)

303 My voice is my best feature besides my irresistible abs...

...ence

Posted by: Truman North at December 09, 2012 10:21 PM (I2LwF)

304 293 Adam Levine, is that you?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 09, 2012 10:17 PM (Gk3SS)




I laughed long and fuckin hard. I hate his voice. Helluva musician. Sounds like someone has his nuts in a vice.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:21 PM (GEICT)

305 297 This might make BCochran happier. Anime Central 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/a7sscdr
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:19 PM (Sz+px)



She appears chilly.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:23 PM (GEICT)

306 Bad audio-visual concept. BCochran on helium.

But buzzion I 'like' my ears.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:23 PM (Sz+px)

307 Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:11 PM (4Mv1T)

I still carry a compass in my land cruiser. Amazing how the new scouts are amazed at learning a compass and direct reckoning.

Scouts teach shit that last for a life time

Scouts learn it all. Eagle Scout here, both son too.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:23 PM (wR+pz)

308
#213 epobirs
"icon driven registers are.........intended for those who are not literate intheir native tongue "
Wow I could work for NBC, parsing stuff.

Don't know where you're from but it ain't just Latino illegals workin' at maccy D's.
My point was reliance on technology can be scarey if you have no idea of how or why it works.
You win. Adios.

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 10:23 PM (GQ7/O)

309 >I think, at some point in their life, everyone has

come across cats having sex.


I came across 2 homeless crackheads having sex one time


> I got way carried away on the ONT Friday night, and stayed up way to
late imbibing, and now I am the owner of a new toilet seat, after I
broke the plastic hinges off the old.


that must have been one bowl-stainin', gruntin' strainin', tissue-tearin' cursin' swearin' experience

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:24 PM (8sCoq)

310 299 Is that you, Joshua? Joshua...what are you doing? Posted by: wheatie at December 09, 2012 10:16 PM (CM59X)

If you too can quote lines from that movie, then according to BCochran, you're old. ;-)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:20 PM (sD0+h)




Hey now, good flick.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:24 PM (GEICT)

311 285 beach weekend
(They are actually a really good reference if you're righting a book, and need a wealth of information about a place, whether you've been there or not.)


They come in handy if your book is upside down.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:25 PM (sdi6R)

312 Are you volunteering to warm up a chilly person?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:25 PM (Sz+px)

313 298 Missing ampersand. Map and compass. Too lazy to turn off scripts.

I was pleased with myself as a 13 year old when I navigated the course and landed at the prescribed destination (and I ain't that smart). I wonder though how hard it would be if you were dealing in "miles" versus "paces".

Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:26 PM (4Mv1T)

314 Catch you all in the morning 'rons. Going to be an early one for me.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:26 PM (b9Yrr)

315 Night Sean boyo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:27 PM (Sz+px)

316 312 Are you volunteering to warm up a chilly person?


Is the Pope Catholic?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 09, 2012 10:27 PM (b9Yrr)

317 Today, I left home without it. Although I have one in the phone. It's a good thing because I could never stop and ask for directions. Not now.

Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 10:28 PM (xtLs1)

318

in case you haven't seen it yet, ONT up

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:30 PM (LpQbZ)

319 aw shit Tom Cruise in a new sci-fi flick

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 10:31 PM (8sCoq)

320 312 Are you volunteering to warm up a chilly person?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:25 PM (Sz+px)




Possibly.....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 09, 2012 10:31 PM (GEICT)

321 "I was pleased with myself as a 13 year old when I navigated the course and landed at the prescribed destination (and I ain't that smart). I wonder though how hard it would be if you were dealing in "miles" versus "paces"."
Posted by: Tobacco Road, is being paved with someone else's money at December 09, 2012 10:26 PM (4Mv1T)

I found miles to be easier. Paces are a pain in the ass to count. With miles/meters whatever, you forget actual distance, other than as an estimate, and instead compare landmarks and elevation rise/fall to the map. Specific distance can be used when necessary, but it rarely is.

Unless calling in an airstrike.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 09, 2012 10:32 PM (O6t4T)

322 I watch Homeland now but I missed the beginning, I will watch it at midnight.
I forgot that Cavuto has a special about one of the Apollo trips to the moon. I'm sure it will on again. I wanted to watch it.

Posted by: CarolT at December 09, 2012 10:32 PM (z4WKX)

323 297
Oh. My.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:33 PM (sdi6R)

324 I know the ONT is up. But if I posted there, I would be off topic...not that that has never stopped me before.

Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 10:33 PM (xtLs1)

325 #308

Come to Los Angeles sometime and try to find a high school graduate below the age of 65 working the register at a McDonalds. If you get lucky and find one you can be assured that person will soon move on or be in management.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 10:37 PM (kcfmt)

326
325 epobirs
Come to Chicago and visit a Mc Donald's.

Lot of H.S Grads working. Try to find a few that are "fluent in their native language" and you can be assured that person will soon move on to EBT or be incarcerated.

We live in different worlds.
Are you by chance an educator ?

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 10:45 PM (GQ7/O)

327 #251

It may be a bit of an OCD thing but I always keep a running tally in my head while grocery shopping, including coupons and promotional discounts that kick in when you cross a certain threshold.

I've freaked out a few checkers by offering a guess that was exactly right or within pennies before they hit the total key. It helps keep the mind exercised.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 10:47 PM (kcfmt)

328 #326

Not only no but hell no. If I took up teaching I'd probably get the child version of me and soon being doing time on a homicide charge.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 10:50 PM (kcfmt)

329 My first job in wireless was plotting site coordinates off a 7.5 minute map with a DB stick, nobody not trained by me even knows what that is anymore....Wolverines!

Posted by: KZnextzone now with more Aloha at December 09, 2012 10:53 PM (s9BdN)

330
328 epobirs
No insult intended.
I offer you a Laurel, and a Hardy handshake, from the South Side of Chicago.
Send some of of your warm weather our way.

Posted by: seamrog at December 09, 2012 10:53 PM (GQ7/O)

331 Most of the carriers use Google Earth now...

Posted by: KZnextzone now with more Aloha at December 09, 2012 10:55 PM (s9BdN)

332 #319

Yeah, he's starring in the movie version of a pretty good Japanese novel called 'All You Need Is Kill.' It's going to suck horribly for anyone who knows the book.

The book is essentially Groundhog Day amid an alien invasion. The protagonist is a Japanese man in his early twenties doing combat in full powered armor.

The movie is Cruise as a plainly 40-something Lt. Col. who wears a light exo-skeleton. Hollywood hates powered armor that makes everyone look the same and covers up the stars' faces. The get-up Cruise wears would give him a life expectancy of seconds in the combat environment of the book. This is similar to the EVA suits with interior helmet lights shining in the actors' faces to make them recognizable to the audience but blinding the wearer.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 10:57 PM (kcfmt)

333 #234

Eliminate the distractions of modern life and you'd be pleasantly surprised by how much you could memorize.

It was once common for scholars to be able to recite major portions of the Bible and other books from memory. (A lot of non-Arabs in places like Afghanistan learn to read Arabic for the sole purpose of studying and memorizing the Koran today.) But for them the Bible wasn't just a book, it was THE book. The very word means book etymologically and comes from the word for paper or scroll. In ancient time there were two uses for paper: business and government documents, and the one and only book.

Posted by: epobirs at December 09, 2012 11:03 PM (kcfmt)

334 Apple’s iOS 6 system sends motorists on a Mildura mystery ride:

Tests on the mapping system by police confirm the mapping systems lists Mildura in the middle of the Murray Sunset National Park, approximately 70km away from the actual location of Mildura.

Police are extremely concerned as there is no water supply within the Park and temperatures can reach as high as 46 degrees, making this a potentially life threatening issue.

Some of the motorists located by police have been stranded for up to 24 hours without food or water and have walked long distances through dangerous terrain to get phone reception.

No such problems with my Garmin, although it did once send me to a KFC location that had closed nearly a decade earlier. It was a ghost KFC.

Posted by: TBlair at December 10, 2012 12:00 AM (h6XiD)

335 Earlier this year I was going to a new place in San Antonio. I didn't really know where it was, I knew that is was on the Riverwalk, and had walked by it, but, as for getting there via the streets, I didn't have a clue. So, I tried to navigate it by my GPS. Unfortunately, the GPS insisted, 3 times actually, that I needed to turn my car off of the road and plunge into the San Antonio River to get to the place in question!(Yeah, I was being stupid and actually circled the couple of blocks 3 times, following the GPS directions, before unplugging it!) It wasn't like it was a brand new place, it was a place that has been in the same location for years! And it's not like I hadn't updated my GPS! FOllowing the same theme, I went to my sister's new house for Thanksgiving. SHe told me that the GPS would take me on a weird route, and texted me directions. Well, I followed the GPS directions, and had a wonderful time driving down some old Cow trails ( no other way to describe them actually!).Saw some beautiful country, but it was a much longer route ( and my GPS is set on quickest route!) and the quality of the roads was, well, let's just say, interesting!

Posted by: chefwes at December 10, 2012 12:08 AM (nsB4u)

336
It isn't (at least IMO) "doing it the hard way" so much as knowing HOW to DO it--what will all the gadgeteers do when the power goes out for good (as some hope it will, under their "greater good" policy manipulation)?

I sometimes think that the relentless push for gadgetiziation is the built-in winnowing process that will bring the population down to the "earth's carrying capacity". It is the driver in schools, in many jobs, and definitely in social interaction. It won the election.

And it's making us dumber as a species (again, IMO), which may be the point (when I'm in tinfoil hat mode )

Posted by: barbarausa at December 10, 2012 12:15 AM (WWeoI)

337 When I went to Sydney the first time, I bought a Gregory's street directory:

http://www.gregorys-online.com/index_html.html

Got around fine using just that.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 10, 2012 03:38 AM (fJUCF)

338 When no maps are available, one wanders from place to place either lost or moving between a few known point along perhaps-known routes.

When maps are available, reasonably clever people will both study and use them for travel -- usually (but not always) at the same time. Such use and study, paradoxically, diminishes the value of the map in one sense. Yet experience teaches that we don't throw our maps away, even if we've thoroughly learned every single detail on them.

GPS systems are just electronic maps that self-adjust. That feature is very handy, but doesn't fundamentally change the function of a map.

And a GPS map can be studied, and learned, just as well (and arguably better) than its paper version.

So having MORE maps used MORE often for both study and for use during travel will result in users with more knowledge of the maps' contents.

This is a very silly, very frivilous discussion.

Posted by: Beldar at December 10, 2012 08:57 AM (EBaoO)

339 IF but only if GPS systems gave directions -- "Turn right at the next intersection" -- without also providing a map, then this would perhaps be an interesting discussion.

Posted by: Beldar at December 10, 2012 08:59 AM (EBaoO)

340 I prefer paper books to handheld devices, just like I prefer paper maps to GPS.

I was a Girl Scout, but not excessively so. They just taught us how to use maps, and I've done it ever since. Dump me in the middle of nowhere, and I'd feel much more comfortable with a topographical map and a cheap compass, than a GPS. If I go on any road trips, I ALWAYS have a paper map.

So this past Thanksgiving, my DH buys me a Tom Tom for his own reasons and I was subjected to a 20 hour family road trip with an electronic voice that sounds like.....Yoda. Yoda was funny...for the first five minutes. Yoda got upset when we pulled off the road for gas, to eat, or to take a side trip. Yoda also sometimes asked us to take the wrong exit or take a ridiculous route. We turned him off.

The only good thing about the GPS on that trip was that we had fog and it gave us a heads up where the road was going to turn or how long before our turn was coming. But I never would depend upon it for total orientation in an unfamiliar place.

Give me an atlas, any day of the week. Even it's not updated, the broad strokes are going to be accurate. And traveling like a smart woman, also would help anyone. You know, things like never traveling with less than half of a tank of gas, etc. Plannng out your trip BEFORE you go on it. Having the discussions about routes before not during...You don't end up in the hood by accident, you end up there because of lack of planning.

Ironically,a couple of teens in my family, traveling a shorter distance than we did, took an extra 40 minutes to get there because they were depending upon the GPS from their phones. I literally just bought a laminated Rand McNalley map for the driver last week, and will be mailing it off soon. Traveling without a map while female is foolish.

GPS devices are great, and I wouldn't ignore them completely, however to depend solely upon them is also foolish. Toys break, weather hits, satelltes can be disrupted, maps don't update, and batteries die. Then what?

It's not that difficult to learn how to read a map, especially for those only traveling on the road.

Posted by: tired at December 10, 2012 08:59 AM (adOUE)

341 The settings you use on your GPS can affect whether you retain (or develop) map reading ability, in my opinion. My wife loves to use the 3-D view. I prefer the map view, north up. Using the 2-D, north-up view makes following the GPS a lot like reading a map, and gives you a sense of how you're getting to where you're going. Using the 3-D view makes you a passive direction follower, with no spatial sense of where you are.

Posted by: ashowalt at December 10, 2012 11:47 AM (/Fn6Z)

342 "...and I was subjected to a 20 hour family road trip with an electronic
voice that sounds like.....Yoda. Yoda was funny...for the first five
minutes. Yoda got upset when we pulled off the road for gas, to eat,
or to take a side trip. Yoda also sometimes asked us to take the wrong
exit or take a ridiculous route. We turned him off."

I have an old Garmin eMap that I bring along on occasion when I head out to less-familar areas either in my truck on on my motorcycle. It has no voice instructions, and that's just fine. There's just a line that stretches from the destination to the current position and as the line straightens up or flattens out, I make the requisite turns.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 10, 2012 03:07 PM (vd7A8)

343 "Don't really need them anymore, just your computer and printer. That's what Yahoo or Google maps are for."

Good luck with that. Shrink it down to where a large section of town can be fitted on a page and they delete many of the street names, or makes them too small to read.

Traditional maps are far superior to GPS for most purposes. A cell phone or small GPS device doesn't show enough area to be of much use. And the trouble is, since fewer people are buying paper maps, fewer maps are available for purchase.

Posted by: Sheldon's Brain at December 10, 2012 04:26 PM (VHfD4)






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