Sunday Morning Open Thread

So a freshman won the Heisman? Looks like the Mayans were right.

Posted by: Andy at 07:21 AM



Comments

1 I think one thing we can all agree on is that the SEC reigns supreme over the lesser conferences.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:23 AM (bS6uW)

2 I have a feeling in the next couple of weeks, the Mayan calendar is going to be like global warming: Everything proves it.

Posted by: NR Pax at December 09, 2012 07:24 AM (Ys2Vs)

3 Good morning to all my friends in a box

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 09, 2012 07:24 AM (7Uvws)

4 Silver Medal !

Posted by: FURPC at December 09, 2012 07:24 AM (0ImZM)

5 Dang it.

Posted by: FURPC at December 09, 2012 07:26 AM (0ImZM)

6 Mayan Calendar = This Year's Y2K, SARS, Avian Flu, etc., etc.

There's always got to be something that's going to kill us all. I'm surprised Obama didn't extract money from us to do something about this.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:26 AM (bS6uW)

7 Some analysis


2012 Budget: 3.9 Trillion

2012 Taxes: 2.5 Trillion

2012 deficit: 1.4 Trillion

Taxes need to rise 36% on all brackets to cover deficit.

The top two tax brackets would need to rise 90% the other brackets could be left unchanged.

The 33% would become 62% and the 35% would become the 67% tax brackets.

A person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to $110,763 his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $67,887 and that is before the states get through with him.

A person making $388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $260,328 his after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $128,022 and that is before the states get through with him.

You would still not have a surplus. You would just break even.

------------------------------

Federal Debt: 16 Trillion

If taxes are raised 45% on all brackets to 4.6 Trillion you would have a surplus of 700 billion

The top two tax brackets would need to rise 125% the other brackets could be left unchanged.

The 33% would become 74% and the 35% would become the 79% tax brackets.

A person making $178,650 would see their tax burden rise from $58,954 to $132,201his after tax income would fall from $117,696 to $46,449 and that is before the states get through with him.

A person making $388,350 would see their tax burden rise from $135,992 to $306,954 his after tax income would fall from $252,358 to $81,396 and that is before the states get through with him.


It would take 23 years to pay off the debt.

You would have also enslaved and destroyed the productive class.





Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:29 AM (0fxcV)

8 Local news/talk radio is running an ad with "O Fortuna" as the background music, saying they will be there to cover the Mayan Apocalypse and also news, weather, and traffic.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)

9 Love Manziel and the Aggies. However, you can see this coming from a mile away: the school and the media will over-expose "Johnny Heisman" to the point we'll all be sick of it within a year. He's a good kid, humble, appreciative and mild-mannered, but the media just eats people up and spits them out in this country, unless of course you're a prominent lib, in which case they deify you.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:32 AM (bS6uW)

10 So General, it would appear we are like a national family that earned $25K last year while spending $39K when we're already $160K in debt. It is obvious we will never be able to get out of debt.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:35 AM (bS6uW)

11 Yes, but it's the greedy 1% (or 2% now, I can't keep it straight who the wreckers are) that is keeping us from full economic recovery.

Because they profit from a terrible, low growth economy. Sure.

And good morning to all. Two weeks until Christmas Eve Eve (the day before Christmas Eve).
And Happy Hannukah to our friend who are Jewish.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at December 09, 2012 07:35 AM (Md8Uo)

12
Nick Searcy popped in last night. Called you all a bunch of morons.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 09, 2012 07:37 AM (e/Cti)

13 @10

We will never be able to get back to solvency unless we seriously attack our spending addiction.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:37 AM (0fxcV)

14 I am beginning to wonder if the government will just default on all debt, declare bankruptcy, and go on a cash only basis going forward.

Of course, this would only apply to debt held by Americans. Foreign countries would not take kindly to that and might ask to repossess things like missiles, gold assets, and real estate.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 07:38 AM (GoIUi)

15 If I'm reading it right General, we need to raise the taxes even MORE on the top one percent. It seems they will still have some money left.

Posted by: Bruce at December 09, 2012 07:39 AM (Q6u7O)

16 We will never be able to get back to solvency unless we seriously attack our spending addiction.

Edited for accuracy, sir.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:40 AM (bS6uW)

17 Funny how people are running around screaming their fool heads off about the end of the world predicted by a civilization that couldn't accurately foretell the end of their own civilization.

Carry on.

Posted by: turfmann at December 09, 2012 07:42 AM (GgGgG)

18 8 Local news/talk radio is running an ad with "O Fortuna" as the background music, saying they will be there to cover the Mayan Apocalypse and also news, weather, and traffic.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)


Great! Sex & death! (Or maybe they don't know what the Carmina Burana are about. Latin is hard!)

Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 07:42 AM (2ArJQ)

19 Everyone here is probably familiar with classic stories like the Golden Goose, or the Ant and the Grasshopper. I wonder how they could be re-introduced into the curriculum at schools so that a generation from now, the 18 to 29 yr old demographic would start to swing back into sanity?

You'd probably have to portray the characters as gay, or lesbian, or transgendered.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 07:43 AM (feFL6)

20 If it helps, we don't actually need to pay off the entire debt, we just need to get back to a safe debt-to-GDP ratio (around 60%) and then hold there. We could actually afford to borrow a bit each year after that (matching growth).

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 07:43 AM (a0nis)

21 Morning!

But what about Christmas eve eve eve? lol.

I'm just glad to be alive today. I've had 2 weeks of hell, with 9 days in the hospital (massive infection called cellulitis in the leg), and I'm still getting IV antibiotics at home.

I've been reading you guys nearly every day, but I haven't had much energy to participate.

Take a minute to appreciate what you got. Something like this really refocuses your perspectives.. for some reason the Romney loss is not that important to me as it was a few weeks ago!

I don't mean to be a downer... life is good, and way better than the alternative!

Have a good day.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2012 07:43 AM (UTq/I)

22 Oh, is that Mayan thing this week? I'm hard-pressed to care.


Rant: My FB feed is filled with "buy your Christmas presents from REAL PEOPLE who make artisan stuff instead of evil multinational corporations" bullshit this morning...yeah, the world would be a better place if we all sat around making quilted bookmarks to sell on Etsy (which is powered by software and equipment made by *gasp* evil multinational corporations) and ugly clay pots (how is that kiln powered, hrm?) to hold our artisan bread, but some of us fake people have to keep the world working around you (and pay for your food stamps when no one wants to buy your ugly shit).

I hate the 21st century.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 09, 2012 07:44 AM (hO8IJ)

23 Can you say "hubris"? I think you can.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bdqh9yg
(Or is that another Van Jones is preparing to roll out the new, special "urban" source of nutrition, New and Improved! Soylent Green!)

Posted by: Thorvald at December 09, 2012 07:44 AM (1V6Pv)

24 Re Drudge: Poor Shrillary. I guess she doesn't get her halo. Just neck fat, bad hair and a confused expression. Too bad she's not black at least partially African American, we'd all have to pretend she's a gorgeous genius.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:45 AM (bS6uW)

25 Foreign countries would not take kindly to that and might ask to repossess things like missiles, gold assets, and real estate.

We might finally get some oil out of all those federal lands SCOAMF put off-limits.

And by "we" I probably mean China.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 09, 2012 07:46 AM (hO8IJ)

26 Luther once said he would rather be ruled by a wise Turk (Muslim) than a foolish Christian. But how do we explain Obama?

Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 07:47 AM (2ArJQ)

27 HeatherRadish - you would rather people buy crap made by Chinese than American-made goods?

I personally see nothing wrong in a "buy America" or "buy local" grass roots campaign. The power of the individual in the marketplace is the ultimate power, in my book.

I find your take on it all a bit puzzling.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2012 07:48 AM (UTq/I)

28 @22

Just be glad you won't be around for the 22nd century. At this point, I'm not sure any of us will, and I'm not talking about the Mayans.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 07:48 AM (a0nis)

29 Funny how people are running around screaming their fool heads off about the end of the world predicted by a civilization that couldn't accurately foretell the end of their own civilization.

A total lack of common sense in the population. Just how many years were the Mayans expected to make calendars for? Until the sun becomes a red giant and incinerates the earth in about three billion years? I have a feeling the calender makers were in the union. The UCW -- united calendar workers.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 07:48 AM (feFL6)

30 But how do we explain Obama?

As always, a SCOAMF

Posted by: Bruce at December 09, 2012 07:49 AM (Q6u7O)

31 24 Re Drudge: Poor Shrillary. I guess she doesn't get her halo. Just neck fat, bad hair and a confused expression. Too bad she's not black at least partially African American, we'd all have to pretend she's a gorgeous genius.
Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:45 AM (bS6uW)


Hillary weeps at the plight of downtrodden women such as herself. "Oh, how I wish I were president! These evil, white--er, brown--men are keeping me down!"

Posted by: Cricket at December 09, 2012 07:49 AM (2ArJQ)

32 BTW, has anyone noticed how much Hillary Clinton is starting to look like my father?

Posted by: Draco Malfoy at December 09, 2012 07:51 AM (2ArJQ)

33 Bird flu, swine flu, SARS, mad cow,y2k, global warming, hole in the ozone layer, Mayans. I remember years ago NBC ran a piece on the concept that we were running out of cemetary space. The message was clear--we die at our own risk.

Posted by: Libra at December 09, 2012 07:52 AM (kd8U8)

34 I hope Hillary wins the 2016 nom. I can't wait for the exodus of white men from the Democratic Party after they realize they can no longer become President there.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 07:52 AM (a0nis)

35
I guess we could throw a Party Like You're a Mayan party. You know -- get high & rip out each others beating hearts.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 09, 2012 07:53 AM (e/Cti)

36 yeah, the world would be a better place if we all sat around making
quilted bookmarks to sell on Etsy (which is powered by software and
equipment made by *gasp* evil multinational corporations) and ugly clay
pots (how is that kiln powered, hrm?)


Go back to FB and as these geniuses who made the thread, or loomed the fabric, or shipped it to the store for them to buy to make the artsy-fartsy bookmarks. And who set up Paypal so these idiots can get paid for pedaling their free-range stuff.

Posted by: Retread at December 09, 2012 07:53 AM (zxitI)

37 #27 Jerry, I see yu haven't had contact with some of the people on Etsy.

Nothing wrong with buying local at all. I do it quite often. However, there are a large group of people on Etsy who have these attributes:

1. Their stuff is ugly
2. It's overpriced
3. They try to guilt you into buying it by portraying themselves as the noble local artist struggling against the evil multi-national corporations, all the while USING said corporations' products to produce their stuff
4. And many are taking government hand-outs (paid for by taxes on people working for said corporations) while pushing their handicrafts
5. Probably they aren't paying taxes on their profits, either

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 07:55 AM (GoIUi)

38 Maybe Hill should just say she's part black, like Lizzy Warren. Who are we to challenge her family stories?

A party of Cthulhu investigators couldn't get to the bottom of the truth these days.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:55 AM (bS6uW)

39 HeatherRadish - you would rather people buy crap made by Chinese than American-made goods?

I didn't say that, you smug liar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 09, 2012 07:56 AM (hO8IJ)

40 BTW, has anyone noticed how much Hillary Clinton is starting to look like my father?

Posted by: Draco Malfoy


Ack! There's an image I didn't need.

Posted by: Retread at December 09, 2012 07:59 AM (zxitI)

41 good morning morons


no news today


too much Canadian bourbon; slept late


Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 07:59 AM (YdQQY)

42 A party of Cthulhu investigators couldn't get to the bottom of the truth these days.

My main man is Cecil Talbot. He cares for his aging mother at the Talbot mansion and uses her fortune to collect antique firearms, pornographic statuary and forbidden texts.

He combines the pencil-thin mustache and affectation of John Waters with the bug-eyes of Steve Buscemi. He is equipped with linen pajamas; a silk Kimono he wears over the pajamas for additional armor; ladies' cigarettes; a 16th century marine flintlock adorned to resemble a devil penis; and an extra large mint julep. He enjoys throwing parties for his friends. He is also an incurable racist.

Cecil's companions are Wanda and Regina Shackleford, spinster sisters with shared interests in phrenology and seances; Pips Codswallop, the famed war aviator of England who was denied his official ace status and spent months in a sanitarium for insisting his fifth kill was against a giant black bat; Sharon Derriere, the bewitching stag film actress best known for The Virgin's Nightdress and her performance in 1922's The Mermaid and the Naughty Octopus, a film she does not remember appearing in which is so perverse the government has burned every copy it can find; and Chang the Celestial, an inscrutable rake who harbors a dark secret: he is Mexican and just playing along with the racist white people who think he is Chinese.

/something awful

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:01 AM (bS6uW)

43 Vic- I have a feeling you looked at 'this day in history' and said fuck it. That's one I'd rather forget, too. Actually anything having to do with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:02 AM (feFL6)

44 Your Rant : My FB feed is filled with "buy your Christmas presents from REAL PEOPLE
who make artisan stuff instead of evil multinational corporations"
bullshit this morning..

Hey, it's your rant.. I still see nothing wrong in pushing locally made stuff as Christmas presents instead of mass-made cheap crap - which is 99% made in China, if you bother to look on the labels.

It's a good marketing ploy. I didn't say buy it no matter if it's crap or not.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2012 08:04 AM (UTq/I)

45 @43

But Clinton was an economic genius, d00d! If only we had him back, we could re-inflate the tech bubble and have never-ending prosperity!

Posted by: Teh Liberals at December 09, 2012 08:04 AM (a0nis)

46 Here's a sad story. Never assume a gun is unloaded. Always be aware of where your gun is pointed. Always keep the safety on until you squeeze the trigger. From yesterday...

''A 7-year-old boy died on Saturday when he was shot by his father in an apparent accident outside a Mercer County gun shop, state police said.

Joseph V. Loughrey, 44, was getting into his truck holding a .9mm Taurus handgun when it discharged. The bullet struck his son, Craig Allen Loughrey, 7, in the chest, state police said. The boy died at the scene. ''

http://tinyurl.com/ahgu3vz

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:06 AM (feFL6)

47 we could re-inflate the tech bubble and have never-ending prosperity!
..............
I'd buy Yahoo for $1 a share!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 09, 2012 08:06 AM (UTq/I)

48


DAY 33

1,427 to go


Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, miscreants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 09, 2012 08:07 AM (XkWWK)

49 I can think of several media techs I'd get into for a dollar a share, so long as they aren't run by Tina Brown.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:08 AM (bS6uW)

50 Is ninjutsu dying?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bwah92c

Posted by: Thorvald at December 09, 2012 08:09 AM (1V6Pv)

51 Vic- I have a feeling you looked at 'this day in
history' and said fuck it. That's one I'd rather forget, too. Actually
anything having to do with Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:02 AM (feFL6)

Good Morning Morons. Today is Sunday, December 09, 2012 On this day in 1965 "A Charlie Brown Christmas" premiered.


Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

52 JJ. Sefton, add mugwumps to your list. (Republicans who bolted to Democrats back at the turn of the century. Today they would be Charlie Crist types.)

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 08:10 AM (GoIUi)

53 Hi all,

No news here either. The evil yellow be quiet today. I think it's the calm before the storm!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 09, 2012 08:12 AM (BjDFr)

54 Is ninjutsu dying?

Cool article. I am totally buying that guy's shit on eBay if he gets out of the game.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:13 AM (bS6uW)

55 Any moronettes in the Philadephia 'burbs. Watch out for men approaching your car when loading groceries or presents. If you have a 'panic button' on your car keys, keep your finger over it, ready to press.

Wife got approached yesterday, and there was another report a couple towns over where the suspect pulled a gun and demanded money. The wife slammed the car door and picked up her phone and the guy took off like a bat out of hell.

Of course, it has nothing to do with the wonderful economy 'Dear Leader' has bestowed upon us.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:17 AM (feFL6)

56 Your tax dollars at work.

Union gets fired Chrysler workers reinstated after drinking on the job.

http://is.gd/uk1Bb6

Hell, its MI town but looks like this kind of of shit will go away soon.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:17 AM (YdQQY)

57 I was just going to ask for directions, honest!

Posted by: Burly Philadelphian Guy at December 09, 2012 08:18 AM (a0nis)

58 Vic at December 09, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

You found something upbeat. All I saw was reference to Mogadishu.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:18 AM (feFL6)

59 I'm surprised Obama didn't extract money from us to do something about this........

He is, he is just not telling us.

Oh, and Steve Colbert: Jesus told us to give freely to the poor, not have the government take everything we have and give it to whoever they think needs it.

I wonder if all those people who are buying candles are also buying bibles?

Posted by: JustMe at December 09, 2012 08:20 AM (x5yDi)

60 @56

Oh come on, it's only alcohol. It's not like they were going to operate heavy machinery or anything... >_>

Posted by: JDTAY at December 09, 2012 08:21 AM (a0nis)

61 So the beer-drinking, weed-smoking Chrysler union slackers build Jeep Cherokees, eh? Explains a lot about the decline in that product.

I don't care, though, GM and Chrysler will never get a penny of my money, nor will any other UAW outlet.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:23 AM (bS6uW)

62 Bad News: No cure for cancer yet found.
Good News: Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday he will undergo another cancer operation in the coming days.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:23 AM (feFL6)

63 Bad News: No cure for cancer yet found.

Good News: Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday he will undergo another cancer operation in the coming days.


Clearly I don't have the Christmas spirit yet, especially that 'goodwill toward men' part, as I would have been tempted to reverse the Bad News, Good News labels.

Posted by: Retread at December 09, 2012 08:26 AM (zxitI)

64 Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday he will undergo another cancer operation in the coming days.

We should invade Venezuela and take their oil while he's down. In fact, we should throw down on all foreign powers in the western hemisphere and take their oil too. Turns out James Monroe was right all along.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:27 AM (bS6uW)

65 Just doing those jobs Americans will not do


Illegal migrant gets free kidney transplant. Will also get freedrugs for the rest f his life to the tune of 10K a year.


Gee, I need to change my name to Jose. My medical wills with insurance are killing my ass.


It doesn't pay to be a white American male these days.

http://is.gd/Nefxtn


And have you Morons got any idea how much a kidney transplant costs?


> $100,000 + $29,000 per year after


Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:28 AM (YdQQY)

66 Quoth the illegal:

"Why can't we be treated the same?" he asked while sitting in his hospital room. "Health care should be a human right, not a privilege. At least give us the chance to fight for our lives with dignity."

Well, at least he's grateful. /s

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:32 AM (bS6uW)

67 Mickey Mouse is good for more than just perpetual copyright laws.

http://is.gd/GuMwwc


I say 99% tax on Hollywood gross

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:33 AM (YdQQY)

68 Any moronettes in the Philadephia 'burbs.

Well, Philadelphia IS mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 08:33 AM (tQHzJ)

69 Foreign countries would not take kindly to that and might ask to repossess things like missiles, gold assets, and real estate.

I think we should sell the Chi-coms Hawaii. Mooch and Choom* could be the dictators of their own little prefect.
*heh...anagrams.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 09, 2012 08:36 AM (Aitxy)

70 Democraps are now open to lowering the threshold for "means testing" of medicare. IOW, medicare will become just another welfare program that you and I are forced to pay for but will not get any benefit from.


More communism, here we come.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:37 AM (YdQQY)

71 oops linky

http://is.gd/cw9jGP

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)

72 Also remember, we already have Medicaid for "poor people".

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:38 AM (YdQQY)

73 We should invade Venezuela and take their oil while he's down. In fact, we should throw down on all foreign powers in the western hemisphere and take their oil too. Turns out James Monroe was right all along.

I concur: A new manifest destiny.
"Manifold" Destiny?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 09, 2012 08:38 AM (Aitxy)

74 "Why can't we be treated the same?" he asked while sitting in his hospital room. "Health care should be a human right, not a privilege. At least give us the chance to fight for our lives with dignity."

This needs to go viral and linked with ObamaCare. It's what the progtards would do. Sometimes I actually wish I was a tweeter.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 08:38 AM (tQHzJ)

75 You know how politicians are always front and center at photo-op/ribbon cutting ceremonies for new business?

I propose they be required to get their picture taken in front of every local business that closes its doors. With numbers under the picture like a mug shot.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 08:41 AM (feFL6)

76 Ha. California passes Prop 30 to tax the Evil Rich. Much jubilation and triumphant snark ensues. Tas revenues for the month of November decrease by 809M, launching a New Fiscal Crisis. No dots will be connected.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 09, 2012 08:41 AM (6H6FZ)

77
23 Can you say "hubris"? I think you can.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bdqh9yg


Could well be hubris.

My vote is for stupidity.

From the article: "It's time for us to have an adult conversation with folks in rural America," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a speech at a forum sponsored by the Farm Journal. "It's time for a different thought process here, in my view." He said rural America's biggest assets - the food supply, recreational areas and energy, for example - can be overlooked by people elsewhere as the U.S. population shifts more to cities, their suburbs and exurbs. No, check that: extreme stupidity. Laughable stupidity. Urbanites can "overlook" the food, energy, and recreation that the rural parts of the U.S. provide? Hahahahaha, good one, Mr. Secretary! Because you clever city folks never use those things. Unless, of course, that was an unintended glimpse of the coming Federal policies toward rural areas, enslaved to feed the beast. Somehow, though, I don't think the good folks in the hinterlands would take to that too kindly. Was that the "adult conversation" you were referring to?

Posted by: crisis du jour at December 09, 2012 08:43 AM (DFGPG)

78 Foreign countries would not take kindly to that

A grand bargain then. We call Russia and China and tell them we'll pull everything out of their part of the world if they do the same, subject to the following conditions for appearances sake: We get the Western Hemisphere, plus Israel until they exhaust themselves and give up. Russia gets the former Soviet Union, plus Cuba until they exhaust themselves and give up. China gets the commie parts of Southeast Asia, plus Hong Kong after they exhaust themselves and give up. Europe and Africa can figure out what happened afterward, as usual.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:44 AM (bS6uW)

79 Ack. Sorry for the laughable formatting. I meant well.

Posted by: crisis du jour at December 09, 2012 08:44 AM (DFGPG)

80 Gee who would have known it?

Pigford was purposely designed to enable fraud

http://is.gd/vtBbuy


Those $50,000 tomato plants I think I will net me a $50K plant for my back porch this spring.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:44 AM (YdQQY)

81 I meant well.

Me too.

Posted by: Josef Stalin at December 09, 2012 08:45 AM (/46nL)

82 Old: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
New: "Healthcare, submission and the pursuit of other people's happiness."
Inalienable.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at December 09, 2012 08:45 AM (Aitxy)

83 I propose they be required to get their picture taken in front of every local business that closes its doors. With numbers under the picture like a mug shot.

Excellent! I'd add the caption: "Another VICTIM of the Obamaconomy."

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 08:45 AM (tQHzJ)

84 We had Christmas early, going out of the country for Christmas. Will be in S America when the world ends.

I got an Ipad and I am not impressed. Why does the Itunes store charge for programs that are FREE at Google Play?

My Nexus 7 is just as fast, just as HD, easier to use and the apps are mostly free. I don't get the fascination with the Ipad.

200,000 apps? 180,000 must be games. What apps do you morons run, please NO games.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:46 AM (wR+pz)

85 Headed to Miami area, Any Pembroke morons out there?

Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 08:46 AM (VMcEw)

86 I'm an 'ette in the Philly 'burbs.

Posted by: CLP at December 09, 2012 08:47 AM (5sPPp)

87 @42: I obtained a print of The Mermaid and the Naughty Octopus on eBay, but it's a poorly done VHS copy. The hand coloring of the film cellsin its original format must have been quite breathtaking.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at December 09, 2012 08:47 AM (Pjq2D)

88 Big Cheif MA squaw blames high priced pizza and coffee for debt. Need more wampum from suckers.


MA dumb asses....pay up. You bought it, you own it.

http://is.gd/JpQfCb


Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 08:48 AM (YdQQY)

89 Stolen from the Trib's illegal immigrant story.


"Give me your poor, your tired, your renal failed, yearning to live for free stuff while complaing they are not treated fairly."


Posted by: lowandslow at December 09, 2012 08:48 AM (GZitp)

90 We will never be able to get back to solvency unless we seriously attack our spending addiction.


Posted by: General Woundwort at December 09, 2012 07:37 AM (0fxcV)

Unless the third of the country that is not working starts to work and pays taxes.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:49 AM (wR+pz)

91 Urbanites can "overlook" the food, energy, and recreation that the rural parts of the U.S. provide?

George Soros is the second biggest owner of granaries after ConAgra.Farmland was the new must-have for hedge funds. It'll be "Comply or no food for you."

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 08:50 AM (tQHzJ)

92 Ah, there is something about the first eggnog and rum that just starts the day off right.

Going to Panther's game with family to watch them loses again to the Falcoons.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:51 AM (wR+pz)

93 Those $50,000 tomato plants I think I will net me a $50K plant for my back porch this spring.

I reuested a new app for that to se what was on in it, I was astounded. I could have done that re tomatoes. Funny thing, I couldn't be that decietful. And since I'm fairly conservative, I would probably have been the first case they prosecuted for fraud.

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 08:51 AM (z/wx3)

94 My Nexus 7 is just as fast, just as HD, easier to use and the apps are mostly free. I don't get the fascination with the Ipad.

Forgive my tech ignorance, but what is a Nexus 7 and who makes it? The husband is hinting about getting me an iPad for Christmas, but it sounds like it's not "all that."

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 08:52 AM (tQHzJ)

95 Hey, can we have Christmas gifting thread sometime? I seriously have no idea what to get my husband for Christmas this year. Every year it's clothes and a few gag gifts. Last year I got him a beer-making kit and a year later he hasn't even taken it out of the box. Got him a grilling cookbook and he hasn't opened it. Year before that I got him a telescope and he's used it maybe twice. I've given him all the Red Sox and Patriots crap he can handle.


So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 08:53 AM (qe2/V)

96 Well, I'm off to the collective to meet my quota. I bid you all a good morning. You warm my coal black heart, albeit it only a little.

Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 08:54 AM (bS6uW)

97 @94

Nexus 7 is a Google Android tablet that sells for $199, vs an Ipad $499.


http://tinyurl.com/2a3w9sn


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:55 AM (wR+pz)

98 #86 Which suburb? I live in Doylestown, Bucks County.

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 08:56 AM (qe2/V)

99 @94

Nexus 7 now has a 3g cell data version, it is $299. The regular Nexus is Wifi only. Ipads now come in the 7 inch size too. If you only want a wifi tablet, I'd get a Nexus, If you want a tablet with wifi AND cell data, the Ipad or Samsung 10 are your best choices.


Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 08:58 AM (wR+pz)

100 @21 Chi-Town Jerry: I know exacly what you mean...was in the hospital last winter with a blood clot in my lung. Congratulations on your evasion of the Reaper.

Posted by: CanaDave says Ashley Judd has chubby cheeks at December 09, 2012 09:00 AM (voRpZ)

101 "So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?"

Some Pocket Song CDs?

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 09, 2012 09:01 AM (6H6FZ)

102 ''Police are looking for an armed robbery suspect in Uwchlan Township.

Uwchlan Township police say the incident happened on December 3rd on the 100 block of South Village Avenue. The victims were sitting in a vehicle waiting for a family member when the suspect, wearing a black ski mask, came up to the vehicle armed with a handgun.

The suspect demanded money, but when told by the victims they had none, he fled to a parking lot nearby and traveled towards Route 100. The suspect's vehicle is described as a small older silver or gray car with dull looking paint and various 'Hope and Change' and 'Obama 2008' bumper stickers.''

Okay, I might have taken a little liberty with the very last part of that last sentence.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 09:01 AM (feFL6)

103
The IRS this past week published rules for some of the first major
taxes meant to help pay for President Obama’s massive insurance coverage
expansion. Together, they will raise investment and income taxes on top
earners and impose a separate -- and controversial -- tax on medical
devices.


The bundle of fees has been largely overlooked as lawmakers and the
White House bicker over the Bush tax rates, with Republicans demanding
they be extended for everyone and Obama insisting rates rise for top
earners. But that same group of earners is already in the crosshairs
under the ObamaCare tax rules published this week.
The Affordable Care Act imposed the 2.3 percent tax on medical
devices with the goal of raising nearly $30 billion over the next
decade.


Equipment makers, though, argue that the tax ends up being much
higher than that since it’s on gross sales. One industry spokesman
estimated earlier this year that the impact on actual earnings is more
like 15 percent.





Funny how "free" health care is going to cost everyone an arm and leg

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 09, 2012 09:05 AM (Soe0D)

104 Thanks for the info, BB. I'm going to look into it.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 09:05 AM (tQHzJ)

105 We should invade Venezuela and take their oil

Why put more oil off the market?

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2012 09:06 AM (Xefrb)

106 One satirical question and I killed the thread. Either that or the rum and eggnog idea percolated across the moron-o-scape.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2012 09:13 AM (Xefrb)

107 Fiocchi canned heat. Ammo in a can. Stackable storage.

Mmmmm Good! Tasty! Everybody wants some!

[cue dancing hamburger]

Posted by: Lane Meyer, main wiener man at December 09, 2012 09:13 AM (86/8G)

108
Posted by: Josef Stalin


Ah yes, Comrade. Greetings. Secretary Vilsack was just saying on glorious workers' kolkhoz system, coming soon to reactionary bourgeois United States. He may have spoken prematurely and let rat out of bag, so to say. Not to concern however yourself. Pravda and Izvestiya will tell only about Dear Leader's terror on rich reactionaries and Boo Boo Honey from now on.
Forward!

Yours in Revolution,


Comrade DuJour

Posted by: crisis du jour at December 09, 2012 09:16 AM (DFGPG)

109 "So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?"

AM/FM CD Shower Radio W/Mirror

Shower Radios are a great way to start your day! Whether you're into karaoke showers or news radio, this water-resistant portable radio is the way to go. With AM,FM, and CD options, fine tuning and volume that goes from soft to the max (for special singalongs), fog resistant mirror, and an clock. Styled right to hang securely over shower head, hanged by its nylon rope, wall mount, or setup on any flat surface.

Posted by: Lace Wigs and Shower Radios at December 09, 2012 09:17 AM (feFL6)

110 So will there be a big comet on the 21st to take away all the Mayan Apocalypse believers?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:18 AM (Sz+px)

111 Barone smoking some of that new legal weed while writing columns?

Last May, the Pew Hispanic Center, in a study
based on U.S. and Mexican statistics, reported that net migration from
Mexico to this country had fallen to zero from 2005 to 2010.



And if you believe that I have a time share condo in FL I'll let you have cheap!


http://is.gd/eJIbMB

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 09:19 AM (YdQQY)

112 A big comet named SMOD?

Posted by: CanaDave says Ashley Judd has chubby cheeks at December 09, 2012 09:19 AM (voRpZ)

113 So will there be a big comet on the 21st to take away all the Mayan Apocalypse believers?

Unpossible, we would have seen it by now. Actually probably about a year ago.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 09, 2012 09:19 AM (feFL6)

114 21 Chi- Town Jerry

Best wishes and I'm glad you survived what can be a deadly condition

Puts things into perspective really ....

Posted by: aussie at December 09, 2012 09:20 AM (NM75o)

115
The only reason the Mayans predicted 2012 as being the end is because they were writing on a round rock and they ran out of room.

Maybe we will find another rock somewhere and we will all be saved!

Posted by: Justamom at December 09, 2012 09:20 AM (Sptt8)

116 Shower Radios are a great way to start your day! Whether you're into
karaoke showers or news radio, this water-resistant portable radio is
the way to go



I have one of those somebody gave me for Christmas. It has never been in the shower. It will not play homemade CDs and we have shitty FM here in the sticks where I have to buy sunshine from Amazon.

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 09:21 AM (YdQQY)

117 So not a comet but yes a Sweet Meteor of Doom would work. Unless we get into talking of dirty comets that are low in ice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:22 AM (Sz+px)

118 Hi rons! Sniffing a Ferrari California yesterday. It smells real good.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:23 AM (3Y7RV)

119 95 An AR and 2000 rounds would be nice under the tree

Posted by: DAve at December 09, 2012 09:23 AM (XDC0v)

120 I bought hubby a fancy $100 shower radio/mirror from Frontgate a few years back. The mirror fogged up every time and the radio reception was terrible.


Trust me, I've gotten him every "man gift" there is.

Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 09:24 AM (qe2/V)

121 Let them eat wagyu


http://is.gd/gpN9o8

Posted by: Vic at December 09, 2012 09:25 AM (YdQQY)

122 Which super model was sitting in the seat?

Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 09:25 AM (VMcEw)

123 What about time in a music studio to record a song?

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 09:26 AM (z/wx3)

124 Which super model was sitting in the seat?
Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 09:25 AM (VMcEw)

It reminds me of a joke, with one of these I can get all of those I want.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:27 AM (3Y7RV)

125 What about time in a music studio to record a song?
Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 09:26 AM (z/wx3)

That is awesome. You sir are an Idea man.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:28 AM (3Y7RV)

126 I was thinking 'Tuna Boat'.

Posted by: sTevo at December 09, 2012 09:28 AM (VMcEw)

127 Sniffing a Ferrari? Did you sit in the seat and dream?

Time to start the morning thing I guess.
http://tinyurl.com/bmy3yj4

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:28 AM (Sz+px)

128 Sniffing a Ferrari? Did you sit in the seat and dream?

Time to start the morning thing I guess.
http://tinyurl.com/bmy3yj4
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:28 AM (Sz+px)

Wern't allowed to touch it. Mrs. Sailor said if I sell 100k books I can have one. Guess I aint gettin one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:29 AM (3Y7RV)

129 Skip the prancing pony of Italy, sell 50k books and get a Carrera GT3. Be far happier.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:31 AM (Sz+px)

130 Johnny Manziel is a homeboy, but don't forget Matt Flynn (LSU national champion QB), and oh, yeah, ever hear of Earl Campbell? And as for Texas (my state is bigger than yours) John David Crow? What about Robert Griffin III?

Posted by: EROWMER at December 09, 2012 09:31 AM (kxlCQ)

131 Is there a reason to prefer a Nexus tablet over the Kindle Fire 2? What I've heard is that the latter gets you access to much more content than the IPad, but that's about all I know. I'm thinking about getting the Fire 2 for Xmas.

Posted by: pep at December 09, 2012 09:31 AM (6TB1Z)

132 Skip the prancing pony of Italy, sell 50k books and get a Carrera GT3. Be far happier.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:31 AM (Sz+px)

I never was a Porshe fan. My friend had a 924 when I was a young sailor, I know, it's a 924. It was fun. But there is something about a Ferrari. Maybe I watched too many Magnum PI episodes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:34 AM (3Y7RV)

133 He's a good kid, humble, appreciative and mild-mannered, but the media just eats people up and spits them out in this country, unless of course you're a prominent lib, in which case they deify you.
Posted by: I'm being completely objective here at December 09, 2012 07:32 AM (bS6uW)



Perhaps he should paint Psalm #'s under his eyes, and then sit back and collect $'millions as a result of the hate-infested left.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:34 AM (LpQbZ)

134 BAL @ WAS 11AM ET CBS

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:35 AM (8sCoq)

135 OSP, if its the Magnum experience you desire than its far cheaper. That was a kit car in the show.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:35 AM (Sz+px)

136 BAL @ WAS 11AM ET CBS
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 09, 2012 09:35 AM (8sCoq)

RGIII wil be running for his life.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:36 AM (3Y7RV)

137 How did Washington become the best friend of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, even as President Mohamed Morsi was asserting dictatorial powers and his followers were beating up secular liberals in the streets of Cairo? It’s a question many Arabs ask these days, and it deserves an answer.


And let’s be honest: The Obama administration has been Morsi’s main enabler. U.S. officials have worked closely with him on economic development and regional diplomacy. Visiting Washington last week, Morsi’s top aides were touting their boss’s close contacts with President Obama and describing phone calls between the two leaders that led to the Gaza cease-fire.


I predict that sometimes in the next 4 years obama will allow the UN Security COuncil to Sanction Israel. Thanks Liberal Jews. Fuck you

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2012 09:37 AM (jE38p)

138 I'm looking at this nice little pump action .410 shotgun for a little shotgun plinking. Would .410 rifled slugs be a decent home defensive weapon? No shot would ever be more than say 15 ft.

Posted by: General Trulane Retired at December 09, 2012 09:38 AM (Z5BDI)

139 Perfect for a present! Wrap it up.

[hint hint]

You Tube video link in name.

Posted by: Oh ammo tree, oh ammo tree! at December 09, 2012 09:38 AM (86/8G)

140 I always wondered why the Mayans bothered going out to 2012... why not just to say, 1620 and then "Screw it we're outta here. Fucking Spaniards"

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 09, 2012 09:39 AM (HoGA+)

141 OSP, if its the Magnum experience you desire than its far cheaper. That was a kit car in the show.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:35 AM (Sz+px)

Hmm, I met Tom Selleck once at the Navy base in Millington Tenn in 1983. Nice Man. There was a big national Vollyball tournament. He played for a club called the Outriggers, based out of Hawaii. He drove a 308. That was no kit car. But for TV shows, I wouldn't doubt it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:39 AM (3Y7RV)

142 I hate the 21st century.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 09, 2012 07:44 AM (hO8IJ)



Hate it some more. Watch this video and believe.

“What do you do? I’m me”
Posted by William A. Jacobson
Legal Insurrection



http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/what-do-you-do-im-me/


Imagine the 22nd...

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:40 AM (LpQbZ)

143 117 So not a comet but yes a Sweet Meteor of Doom would work. Unless we get into talking of dirty comets that are low in ice.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:22 AM (Sz+px)


This is the Moron Horde. Of course we can talk dirty about comets.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:42 AM (sdi6R)

144 So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?
Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 08:53 AM (qe2/V)



1) get him an hour session at a recording booth/studio, so he can record his own disc

or

2) some music development/editing software, so he can play with his own tracks

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 09:44 AM (LpQbZ)

145 So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?
Posted by: rockmom at December 09, 2012 08:53 AM (qe2/V)

A duet with Carrie Underwood? Prolly be a bit pricey.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:45 AM (3Y7RV)

146 Is this video over the top or an accurate representation of how you feel about Obama and his administration?

It is the latest post at:

chamberpotparty.blogspot.com

OR

Just google search "chamber pot party"

Posted by: Pam at December 09, 2012 09:45 AM (222BL)

147 Johnny Manziel is the real deal, but then again, so was Cam Newton.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 09, 2012 09:47 AM (QupBk)

148 Johnny Manziel is the real deal, but then again, so was Cam Newton.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 09, 2012 09:47 AM (QupBk)

Yep, In front of every great QB is 5 huge talented people.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 09:48 AM (3Y7RV)

149 Anime Central in Chicago 2009
http://static.cos-world.net/photos/0/2/271/271_full.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:51 AM (Sz+px)

150 I knew this guy who worked as a contractor for the Social Security Administration.

He told me that at the end of the year, it they can get their books to close within a few hundred million dollars that they think they are doing just great.

But the better story was about how they would go out to find out what happens when checks aren’t cashed. In one case, they sought out the man and found him at a trailer camp. They knocked on his door and introduced themselves. After talking a bit they asked him if he had received SSA checks for the last few years and he replied “yes.” The asked why he didn’t cash them, he replied that he had “gotten back as much as he had put into the the system and stopped.” Then then said ” no, no,no, you can cash them .. they are yours,” he replied “no, he had gotten back what he put in.” They asked why he kept them then, he replied that he figured eventually that “the SSA would figure it out and come for them.” They then asked what had happened to the checks, he opened a drawer and there they were.

Posted by: Neo at December 09, 2012 09:51 AM (e8kgV)

151 Merry Christmas, Rockmom! Does your hubby like to go out? Why not give him tickets to a concert of a group he'd like to hear? Is he a museum-kind-of-going-guy or does he like zoos? (not kidding here) a year-long membership to a symphony/theater/zoo/museum could be fun..and it could be an occasion for dates for you two together.

Or how about a gift certificate for dinner for two (that's be him & you...see where this is going?) to his favorite restaurant. These things come with expiration dates; they are fun and they can't collect dust.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 09, 2012 09:52 AM (53riN)

152 If Texas A&M can parley the Maziel prize, and the fact that he will be there for at least two more years, into recruiting, they will really benefit. At the QB, I think the other SEC teams will get a handle on defending him by next season so he will probably be less impressive next year, unless he can get some franchise receivers because of his notoriety.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 09, 2012 09:53 AM (QupBk)

153 149
I hope big men in black suits come knocking soon.


Would you settle for a man in a big gray suit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r7X3f2gFz4

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:54 AM (sdi6R)

154 OK, I see the hazards involved in referencing comments by number only.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 09:55 AM (sdi6R)

155 I guess the Queen's Royal Live Organ Donors snagged them instead Rickl.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 09:58 AM (Sz+px)

156 In fairness to the Mayans, they didn't predict the end of the world, just the end of the age, as they saw it. They didn't know what would happen and that unnerved them since their mythology said that after every long calendar cycle, things completely changed. So really, they were using previous legendary experience to predict future events.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 09, 2012 09:59 AM (QupBk)

157 How about a Progressive Christmas Carol.

On the first day of welfare Obama gave to me...........

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:00 AM (3Y7RV)

158 On the first day of welfare Obama gave to me an EBT

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:01 AM (Sz+px)

159 OK I'll start,

On the first day of welfare Obama gave to me...........

A cell phone and a public place to pee.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:02 AM (3Y7RV)

160 a free turkey for the freezer.

On the Second day of welfare TFG gave to me . . .

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 10:02 AM (z/wx3)

161 Morning, all. Over at HA yesterday, they had a blurb about TFG's weekly address. In it, he said that he was willing to look at more entitlement cuts, but that he had already signed into law $1 trillion in entitlement cuts last year.

Apparently I was living in an alternate universe last year, because I remember no such cuts. I do remember a sequestration deal from about 2 years ago that supposedly will cut $1 trillion in spending in 10 years, starting Jan. 1st -- but that deal cuts mostly from Defense and the rest from discretionary spending. Plus his debate claim that the sequestration cuts 'are not going to happen'.

Was he lying? Were his lips moving? Help me Rod Serling, you're my only hope!

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 10:03 AM (ccXZP)

162 On the Second day of welfare TFG gave to me . . .
Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 10:02 AM (z/wx3)


Two crack whores and

A cell phone and a public place to pee

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:04 AM (3Y7RV)

163

ESPN: sympathy for the drunken driver who kills a man

NFL Brand: must protect

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:05 AM (LpQbZ)

164 "So what do you get for a 55-year-old lawyer whose only hobby is singing?"

Rockman. a band and a couple of groupies?

(ducks)this Is ace's .

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:06 AM (nqBYe)

165 ESPN: sympathy for the drunken driver who kills a man

NFL Brand: must protect
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:05 AM (LpQbZ)


No shit, I have to stop watching that stuff, I makes me crazy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:06 AM (3Y7RV)

166 correction*Rockmom*, sorry!

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:07 AM (nqBYe)

167 Extremely
Stupid
People
Nattering

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:07 AM (Sz+px)

168 156, so the odds are that we won't be having Kevin Costner as the Postman? That's a relief.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 09, 2012 10:07 AM (HoGA+)

169 beach

if only he didn't have a car.....they are so easily accessible....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 10:07 AM (GVxQo)

170 On the third day of welfare Obama gave to me...

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:07 AM (3Y7RV)

171 On the third day of welfare Obama gave to me

Three EBTs

Two crack whores and

A cell phone and a public place to pee

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:08 AM (sdi6R)

172 Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:08 AM (sdi6R)

Outstanding.


On the forth day of welfare Obama gave to me.......

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:09 AM (3Y7RV)

173 I think we should make sure MADD attacks ESPN.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GoIUi)

174 4th day

4 Pelling Grants

Posted by: madamex at December 09, 2012 10:10 AM (Ztp7S)

175

Wow, ESPN is saying the players have Player Protect contract car service.

Private and confidential number to call any time.

Takes player home; drives players car home.

NFL plays 50% of that for the players.

But, they don't use it because they are afraid of Big Brother; and in this case Big Brother = NFL.

Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:10 AM (LpQbZ)

176 Costas the Gnome getting beaten by little old ladies in their Hoverrounds. Touchdown!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:10 AM (Sz+px)

177 No shit, I have to stop watching that stuff, I makes me crazy.

I have virtually given up on pro football.

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 10:11 AM (z/wx3)

178
Oliver Stone is a liar and a leftwing propagandist.CBS approves.

Posted by: Fresh at December 09, 2012 10:11 AM (O7ksG)

179 Oldsailor, if you are the "right' people you forgive rape of teens (polanski) drunk driving, killing dogs, and killing girlfrinds,
anything i've miss'd over the last few of years?
Oh yeah goigm to war without congressional approval, adding wars , hundreds of dead mexicans , dead ambassadors and their workers, spending like a drunken sailor (cough) well!

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:11 AM (nqBYe)

180 Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:10 AM (LpQbZ)

And don't forget, many of these guys make lots of money, so they can easily afford a driver for the evening. But they are stupid, arrogant and ignorant of the consequences.

I blame Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 10:12 AM (GsoHv)

181 Costas the Gnome getting beaten by little old ladies in their Hoverrounds. Touchdown!

Now, that IS something I would watch!

Posted by: Infidel at December 09, 2012 10:12 AM (z/wx3)

182 But, they don't use it because they are afraid of Big Brother; and in this case Big Brother = NFL.
Posted by: beach weekend at December 09, 2012 10:10 AM (LpQbZ)

When I worked for a Fortune 500 in Milwaukee they had a deal on New years eve with the Cab Companies. Show your company ID and your ride was free.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:12 AM (3Y7RV)

183 Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:11 AM (nqBYe)

pretending to be a fake Indian to advance self. You would think hating on the Indian would be a deal breaker.

Posted by: madamex at December 09, 2012 10:13 AM (Ztp7S)

184 179 spoe
spending like a drunken sailor


As I always say, at least a drunken sailor spends his own money.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (sdi6R)

185 I think we should make sure MADD attacks ESPN.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 09, 2012 10:09 AM (GoIUi)

I'm not sure which organization I hate more.

Can they both lose?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (GsoHv)

186 so same sex'ers are appealing to the "married people get tax breaks" under equal protection.....well, all those loopy holes are going away.....sooooooooooooo.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (GVxQo)

187 I hope in my lifetime I get to see NY, DC, Boston, Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis, Denver, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle and Tacoma burn to the ground and everyone there go with it.
Fuck it. Let it all burn.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (OqOKd)

188 179 spoe
spending like a drunken sailor

As I always say, at least a drunken sailor spends his own money.
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (sdi6R)

Darn Tootin, got to walk the puppeh, she's becoming insistant.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:15 AM (3Y7RV)

189 madamex, I have come to the conclusion many people really do not have scruples .


Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

190 As I always say, at least a drunken sailor spends his own money.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (sdi6R)



Darn Tootin, got to walk the puppeh, she's becoming insistant.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:15 AM (3Y7RV)

ah, yes that's very true!

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

191 PG, aint that nice. Equal protection works for them. But not for religions being punished under Obamacare.

A good read for this time is A Man for All Seasons.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:17 AM (Sz+px)

192 Ferrari?

They are real pain in the asses. My lawyer has one, it looks cool, but he doesn't drive it much because, a) every fucking cop in the city stops him to see the car, b) the insurance is ridiculous and finally c) a tune up cost over $10K.


Stick with a Porsche.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:19 AM (wR+pz)

193 pretending to be a fake Indian to advance self. You would think hating on the Indian would be a deal breaker.


Didn't Indians get free cupcakes at the affirmative action bake sale in Berkeley?

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:20 AM (z9HTb)

194 187 I hope in my lifetime I get to see NY, DC, Boston, Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis, Denver, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle and Tacoma burn to the ground and everyone there go with it.
Fuck it. Let it all burn.
Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (OqOKd)


If Philly gets nuked, I think I'm outside the blast radius. I can always seal up the windows with duct tape and shelter in place for a few weeks.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:20 AM (sdi6R)

195 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2012 09:37 AM (jE38p)

So? What did you get for the first candle?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:20 AM (wR+pz)

196 I hope in my lifetime I get to see NY, DC, Boston, Baltimore, Philly,
Chicago, Detroit, St Louis, Denver, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle and Tacoma
burn to the ground and everyone there go with it.

Fuck it. Let it all burn.



Can we schedule it for a day when I work from home, or least give a couple hours warning?

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:22 AM (z9HTb)

197 192 Ferrari?

They are real pain in the asses. My lawyer has one, it looks cool, but he doesn't drive it much because, a) every fucking cop in the city stops him to see the car, b) the insurance is ridiculous and finally c) a tune up cost over $10K.


Stick with a Porsche.
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 09, 2012 10:19 AM (wR+pz)

2012 Ferrari California comes with free maintenance for 7 years or 87500 miles whichever comes first.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 09, 2012 10:22 AM (3Y7RV)

198 OSP you do realize that is truly a sign of how dire the economic straits have become. Ferrari, the company that would stiff the civilian buyers of its cars to keep racing, is offering free maintenance now to sell them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:24 AM (Sz+px)

199 "If Philly gets nuked..."

Don't way to see em nuked. Just the inhabitants killing each other on a TKO and burning their cities down around themselves.

Sorry, TKO = Total Kill Option

Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 10:24 AM (IyoLR)

200 Time magazine (ain't they bankrupt yet?) had a Pearl Harbor piece yesterday wherein they claim that the Japanese attacked us because of one man -- a Soviet spy named Harry Dexter White.

http://tinyurl.com/an525uz

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 10:25 AM (ccXZP)

201 2012 Ferrari California comes with free maintenance for 7 years or 87500 miles whichever comes first.


Though one can barely afford not to, I'll pass on that bargain.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:25 AM (z9HTb)

202
I've had two shower radios. Both died in less than a year.

The concept is great but nobody makes one that lasts.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 09, 2012 10:26 AM (tOkJB)

203 Though one can barely afford not to, I'll pass on that bargain.

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:25 AM (z9HTb)

MSRP is $195K.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 09, 2012 10:27 AM (GsoHv)

204
madamex, I have come to the conclusion many people really do not have scruples .
Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:16 AM



Scruples? Never heard of 'em.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at December 09, 2012 10:29 AM (bAGA/)

205 GnuBreed. I am trying to read that article. All I can think of is... Richard Sorge must really feel like a fool now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:31 AM (Sz+px)

206
rockmom
Does he like to listen to music?
Bose noise cancelling headphones might be nice.

Posted by: spypeach at December 09, 2012 10:31 AM (pwTow)

207 Truman should have hanged White before FDR was cold.

Posted by: Jean at December 09, 2012 10:32 AM (tWctt)

208 On the fourth day of welfare Obama gave to me

Four 'Bama phones

Three crack whores

Two EBTs

And a public place to pee

(I changed it around a bit to match the song better, but I'm missing one syllable in the last line.)

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:35 AM (sdi6R)

209
BAL @ WAS 11AM ET CBS


???Kickoff is still @1pm ET right???

Otherwise lunch ain't gonna be ready.

Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2012 10:37 AM (Xefrb)

210 When I was living in Sicily, I had a chance to get Ferrari 308 GT for $25K. I didn't dfo it but that would've been fun to drive.

Posted by: CDR M at December 09, 2012 10:37 AM (dKV5k)

211 On the fifth day of welfare Obama gave to me:


FIVE BROCOLLI STEMS!!!

Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:38 AM (z9HTb)

212 I've had two shower radios. Both died in less than a year.



The concept is great but nobody makes one that lasts.


We have one that's twenty-five years old and still works fine.

Posted by: Gem at December 09, 2012 10:39 AM (zw+pb)

213 Damn, the brother couldn't even spare the florets?

Posted by: CDR M at December 09, 2012 10:39 AM (dKV5k)

214 elizabeth warren ...too much fire water?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 10:41 AM (GVxQo)

215 211 On the fifth day of welfare Obama gave to me:


FIVE BROCOLLI STEMS!!!
Posted by: fluffy at December 09, 2012 10:38 AM (z9HTb)


Excellent, but it only works if you pronounce it "brockly".

This songwriting shit is hard.

We still need another syllable in the last line, and it's driving me crazy.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:42 AM (sdi6R)

216 I am unsure of what that guy is trying to peddle. Oh wait he has a whole book about Operation Snow. This little article is designed to entice us to part with our money to make him richer by being provocative.

As if such a poor alliteration to the Bible supposedly set Japan on a course of war with the US? Forget Sept 18th, 1931 when the Kwangtung Army mutinied and took over Manchuria. Shanghai. Loss of USS Panay. Nanking. French Indo-China.

First the Revisionists say FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking first. Now this guy says one NKVD agent was able to pull the wool over FDR's eyes and manipulate him to make Japan attack the US.

I think someone has been sniffing the mimeograph ink again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:43 AM (Sz+px)

217 Andy...that's what my husband said...must have been digging the dregs of NCAA football. I wanted Manti Teo to win.

Posted by: DefendUSA at December 09, 2012 10:44 AM (nAHMK)

218 My clothes washer, however, is a 1.5 years old, and this will be the second time we've had to call service. It's leaking out of the bottom this time.

The washer we had before that lasted nineteen years. The washer we had before *that* was grandmother's (we bought her house) and I have no idea how old it was. Thirty-ish years?

I don't think this one will make it to five. I sense a pattern.

Posted by: Gem at December 09, 2012 10:45 AM (zw+pb)

219 189 madamex, I have come to the conclusion many people really do not have scruples .
Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 09, 2012 10:16 AM (nqBYe)

And because they have none they can't comprehend people who do. They think everyone is a liar and a cheat. Unfortunately, the affliction is contagious.

Posted by: madamex at December 09, 2012 10:46 AM (Ztp7S)

220
We have one that's twenty-five years old and still works fine.

Posted by: Gem at December 09, 2012 10:39 AM (zw+pb)


Really? A shower radio?

What brand?

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 09, 2012 10:47 AM (tOkJB)

221 @138 I suppose nobody will tell you that a 410 is an adequate defense weapon. I have experience with the M6, a 410/22 combination with a short barrel. At fifty feet, and with a smooth bore, slugs are as accurate as most small bore rifles.

All those nasty, pre-packed self-defense shotgun rounds, with discs and buckshot and baby's-blood and broken glass, are available in 410. You'll hear a lot of argument for at least 20-gauge, so there's my vote that 410 would do just fine.

On the other hand, the M6 is single shot, with an "interesting" hammer select and a mitten trigger. Don't be running out for one of those for your house gun. They fold in half though, so it's pretty good in a backpack or go-to-hell kit. My kid loves his, and he is a cyberwarrior officer (junior grade) in the service of our nation, and an ex-SERE instructor. I think he custom loads it with chewed-up nails.

Posted by: comatus at December 09, 2012 10:48 AM (qaVK+)

222 216
Now this guy says one NKVD agent was able to pull the wool over FDR's eyes and manipulate him to make Japan attack the US.


Now we just need to find out who blackmailed that guy into writing the book that said one NKVD agent was able to pull the wool over FDR's eyes and manipulate him to make Japan attack the US.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 10:50 AM (sdi6R)

223 gem

i had to replace my 5 yr old dishwasher....and the new one is a piece of crap.....everytime i go to unload it...the top rack comes off the track!!! so poorly made.....and it's not deep so the racks are right up against the door and i have to be careful that all the utensils are far from the door or they break the seal and i end up with water all over the floor.....it's a kitchen aide and it sucks....but it's very quiet.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 09, 2012 10:51 AM (GVxQo)

224 And a nice public place to pee.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 10:53 AM (yiIja)

225
'Sup, jackwagons?

I take it we're still screwed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 10:55 AM (yiIja)

226 I tried to read the few reviews on Amazon of the book. But when the reviewers put as part of their review that this is the reason the KGB Lt. Gen., who was White's alleged handler, book has not been published in English - well the tin-foil radar goes off as I hear in the static filled ether the dots and dashes that say 'east wind rain.'

To which I counter with 'tora tora tora.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:55 AM (Sz+px)

227 187 I hope in my lifetime I get to see NY, DC, Boston, Baltimore, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, St Louis, Denver, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle and Tacoma burn to the ground and everyone there go with it.
Fuck it. Let it all burn.
Posted by: In Cognito at December 09, 2012 10:14 AM (OqOKd)





SMOD's terrestrial twin tried burning Frisco back in 1906. Damned smart monkeys rebuilt it.

So I'd recommend a spread of neutron bombs (I still love the architecture in Frisco).

East Bay you can burn, as long as you import a couple of hundred thousand gallons of gas into Berkeley.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 09, 2012 10:55 AM (Rhie+)

228 The Affordable Care Act imposed the 2.3 percent tax on medical devices.

That is typical dem bullshit. Lets lower the price of medical care by taxing medical devices.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at December 09, 2012 10:55 AM (LyFx9)

229 "and a WARM public place to pee"

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 09, 2012 10:57 AM (uPhCY)

230 But did Obama give you five drug lords a leaping?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:57 AM (Sz+px)

231 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 10:25 AM (ccXZP)

Sounds more like they're blaming "US policy" for Pearl Harbor. Sounds mighty familiar.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 10:57 AM (6JMZR)

232 I would love it if someone gave me a Ferrari. I could sell it and buy my ten favorite cars.

Posted by: comatus at December 09, 2012 10:59 AM (qaVK+)

233 Mega Independent, do you mean the very bigoted notion that Japan could have never planned such a brilliant attack? IE Japan was too backward and only because FDR allowed it, Pearl was attacked.

If so, then yep.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:59 AM (Sz+px)

234 "A partridge in a pear tree"

"A cell phone and a place to pee"

Scans fine, just make sure you pronounce "and a" as one word "anna" and you got it.


Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 09, 2012 11:01 AM (BF5Y9)

235 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 10:59 AM (Sz+px

Well, yeah, all of it. Plus libs think "US policy" was the reason for 9/11 (the first one), so it stands to reason they'd rewrite history on this, too.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 09, 2012 11:02 AM (6JMZR)

236 On the fifth day of welfare Obama gave to me

Five brocc'li stems

Four 'Bama phones

Three crack whores

Two EBTs

And a warm public place to pee

---

I think we're getting somewhere. But we're still cheating on a couple of syllables here and there.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:02 AM (sdi6R)

237 Rockmom:

Portable XM radio maybe?

Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2012 11:03 AM (wsGWu)

238 Gah! Has a "guns and hunting" thread replaced the Sunday book thread?

Posted by: RushBabe at December 09, 2012 11:06 AM (tQHzJ)

239 .410 has the highest muzzle velocity and best penetration at 10 yards
It also has the lowest recoil coefficient making it easier to wield.
It has less shock value than the larger gauges but is still exceptionally effective.
I would suggest the Remington Model 1100 Sporting. The only .410 auto loader in production.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 09, 2012 11:06 AM (BAnPT)

240 Anna, Mega, et al -- I knew there would some smart military posters here that could tear apart the Time article. Bravo.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 11:08 AM (ccXZP)

241 On the sixth day of welfare Obama gave to me;

Six mullahs praying
Five broccli' stems
more unemployment
Three EBTs


Two crack whores and


A cell phone and a place to pee!

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 09, 2012 11:08 AM (BF5Y9)

242 Mega Independent. With regards to Pearl Harbor there have been, almost after the last bomb dropped, some who have vehemently held Pearl Harbor could have only happened because FDR personally allowed it.

One of the 'big' pieces of evidence to buttress such a claim is FDR being asked what can the US do with Japan. And FDR saying basically will have to wait. They construe that to mean FDR was allowing things to happen. What the Revisionists want you the reader to forget is FDR's 'short of war' orders in the Atlantic as the US kept the UK afloat - look up what the US destroyers Niblack, Greer, and Rueben James experienced in the Atlantic. This 'short of war' policy matched FDR and Churchill's Arcadia strategy of 'Europe First.' The Pacific theatre was secondary. Hence all the effort FDR spent trying to keep Japan negotiating.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 11:10 AM (Sz+px)

243 Seven lying leaders
Eight housing vouchers
Nine voter cards

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 11:12 AM (ccXZP)

244 Ten drug lords dealing

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 09, 2012 11:14 AM (yiIja)

245
Gah! Has a "guns and hunting" thread replaced the Sunday book thread?
------
We can only hope. But there are several great books on guns and hunting.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 09, 2012 11:14 AM (85EaA)

246 Damn! No book thread? I actually had a contribution this week. OK, well here goes:

Neo-Neocon had a superb thread a couple of days ago entitled "We have never recovered from World War I".

http://neoneocon.com/2012/12/07/we-have-never-recovered-from-world-war-i/

It's mainly about the cultural and psychological aftereffects of that war. However, there are plenty of commenters (cough) who chose to talk about the war itself.

Both the original post and the comments are essential reading, whether you're interested in military history or not. There are tons of book recommendations sprinkled throughout.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:14 AM (sdi6R)

247
I don't know if it's the 4 hour hairdo or that cute little lisp when she speaks.

But I really want Melissa Harris-Perry to blow me.

Posted by: Lt. Smokey of the LIB Brigade at December 09, 2012 11:17 AM (fl8vK)

248 Best book on the "Who was responsible for Pearl Harbor" is still Prange, Goldstein and Dillon's Verdict of History. Long book, goes into most if not all of the conspiracy theories, and eventually concludes (spoiler alert!) that the...
*
*
*
Japanese were responsible.

Also, it puts today's 9/11 Truthers and JFK nuts into perspective. So Bush got a lot of asinine crap from asinine people too stupid to string two coherent sentences together and too stupid to see the contradictions in their own arguments, well so did FDR.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at December 09, 2012 11:24 AM (HoGA+)

249 On the tenth day of welfare Obama gave to me:

Ten drug lords dealing

Nine brocc'li stems

Eight housing vouchers

Seven lying leaders

Six mullahs praying

Five…voter…cards

More unemployment

Three crack whores

Two EBTs

And a cell phone and a place to pee!

--

This is starting to come together!

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:25 AM (sdi6R)

250 Steve might as well throw the whole trilogy at them to read.

At Dawn We Slept:The Untold Story of Pearl Harbor - not counting index 852 pages.
Dec, 7 1941: The Day The Japanese Attacked Pearl Harbor - not counting index 477 pages.
Pearl Harbor:The Verdict of History - excluding index 675 pages.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 11:28 AM (Sz+px)

251 Corker was on FOX today signaling GOP would cave. Schumer would not say they would give up a thing. We are truly screwed, by our own. Can nothing be done?

Posted by: AnnaS at December 09, 2012 11:30 AM (pUkWs)

252 I swear I've been hypnotized.

I keep scrolling back to look at that photo of the dark lord of kittehs.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 11:31 AM (piMMO)

253 Eleven rounds of golf
Twelve trillion debts

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2012 11:31 AM (ccXZP)

254 Twelveczars a-ruling
Eleven banks a-failing

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2012 11:32 AM (1OZSU)

255 Corker was on FOX today signaling GOP would cave. Schumer would not say they would give up a thing. We are truly screwed, by our own. Can nothing be done?


***

Yeah, but Schmuer also playing the game that last go around, the Dems conceded to tax cuts but got absolutely nothing in return when the GOP screwed them.

Who do ya think folks will believe?

The Dems, given that they are not constrained whatsoever by truth or any sense of honor, are highly successful because they can craft a message full of lies which every single person in the party will recite.

Expect to hear Schumer's claim repeated ad nauseum.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 11:36 AM (piMMO)

256 Eleven rounds of golf
Twelve trillion debts

*****

Ten czars a leaping

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 11:36 AM (piMMO)

257 Funny, rickl, I was just about to mention WWI -- or specifically, the "Proud Tower" that preceded it (and, we think, made it inevitable). A lot of foil gets hatted over the notion that the period before Pearl Harbor was "a simpler time." Wisdom, in the consideration of history, begins with the realization that there were no simpler times.

Of course the US was engaged in a web of intrigue, provocation, and double-edged diplomacy with Japan. And, of course, viewed through later interpretations, those involvements can be cast as especially sinister. But they are just part of the great game that all nations play at. The fuse is always lit.

A real revisionist might look at who tricked Japan into attacking when it did, and in the manner it did. It spoiled a lot of plans for Hitler, and screwed Mussolini's pooch. I'd suspect the British, just because we always have, but what about their considerable losses in the same operation? Bet you could make a case for the USSR playing Tokyo on that, if it served your purpose. Jooos?

I don't like, or trust, FDR or his State Department. But given the place most of us occupy, basically well-off provincial peasants who get sucked up into world affairs only when the balloon goes up -- face it, we're the world's Amish -- you shouldn't trust the world-affairs department of any government we've had, including those whose domestic commitments you admire the most. And you can't not play.

Having said all that, we had an even weirder love-hate with China then than we have now. Christian missionary and philanthropic impulses on one side, and carry-overs from the Boxer days on the other, put us into an unresolvable dilemma once Japan decided to straighten the place out in a futurist way. And most US policy about Japanese expansion had to do with China, not the rest of the Pacific world. Nanking notwithstanding, many Americans thought the Japanese were at least doing away with the warlord chaos there.

Know who else had a generations-long emotional entanglement with China, did a world of good there, sold a lot of arms there? Germany. They must have had a room full of geopoliticians with their heads spinning. There's a thesis in that.

Posted by: comatus at December 09, 2012 11:39 AM (qaVK+)

258 On the twelfth day of welfare Obama gave to me:

Twelve czars a-ruling

Eleven banks a-failing

Ten drug lords dealing

Nine brocc'li stems

Eight housing vouchers

Seven lying leaders

Six mullahs praying

Five…voter…cards

More unemployment

Three crack whores

Two EBTs

And a cell phone and a place to pee!

---

By George, I think we've got it!

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:39 AM (sdi6R)

259 Book thread up!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 11:42 AM (Sz+px)

260 Nice work rickle!! Next year we're making you project manager for the Obama April Fools Day spoof!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2012 11:45 AM (1OZSU)

261 book thread and manslaughtering baller threads up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 09, 2012 11:47 AM (piMMO)

262 Way to go rickl!

I think it should get its own post.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 09, 2012 11:47 AM (BF5Y9)

263 It was crowdsourced!

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:48 AM (sdi6R)

264 Comatus, the British accidentally encouraged the Japanese. German commerce raider Atlantis managed to capture secret mail that was destined for Singapore from a British merchant ship. The British crew failed to toss it overboard. And when the Germans looked at the classified material, well it was a frank assessment of how weak British defense in the Pacific were. And they promptly shared that information with their ally Japan.

Source - The German Raider Atlantis. Wolfgang Frank and Capt. Bernhard Rogge. Ballentine Books. 1956. Translated by Lt-Cdr R.O.B. Long, RNVR.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 09, 2012 11:49 AM (Sz+px)

265 The only contribution I made was the EBTs, as well as trying to tidy it up.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 11:50 AM (sdi6R)

266
Looks like the Mayans were right.




Bring it, Mayans. Let's see what you got.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2012 11:56 AM (4u2LN)

267 "More unemployment" instead of "four" something kind of cracks me up.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2012 12:25 PM (sdi6R)






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