Saturday Morning Open Thread

We've reached that point of the year where the college football schedule is mighty thin. And by thin, I mean the Army/Navy game at 3pm Eastern is the entirety of today's Division I-A schedule.

I may have to break down and actually be productive today.

Posted by: Andy at 07:31 AM



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DAY 32

1,428 to go


Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, mutants, malcontents, miscreants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:33 AM (XkWWK)

2 Charlie Crist is now a Democrat? I'm confused. I thought he already was.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 08, 2012 07:33 AM (ky8o3)

3 Boehner, Crist.

What is it about excess melanin that makes white boys go nuts?

I do not know enough about George Hamilton to pass judgement.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:38 AM (XkWWK)

4 Good Morning Morons. Today is Saturday, December 08, 2012. On this day in 1941 the United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt declared December 7 to be "a date which will live in infamy", after which the U.S. declared war against Japan. This was the last declared war IAW the Constitution that we have had. Congress approved both of the invasions of Iraq and the 2001 war in Afghanistan, but there was no formal declaration of war. None of the other wars we have been engaged in have either been declared, or approved. Be that as it may, the Congress has not challenged any President on this.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

5 Crying Boner is facing increasing opposition in the House over both his tax negotiations and his removal of conservatives from House committees. They say it doesn’t look like he will be removed as speaker but we can pray.

http://is.gd/AfkJ6U

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

6 More debate on the upcoming Haley appointment for DeMint’s replacement. It appears that the speculation yesterday that it would be McMasters was premature.

Sources familiar with the situation told Fox News on Friday that Haley, who holds the power to install a successor until a 2014 special election, is leaning toward choosing a caretaker senator who would not run in two years. They say she's thinking of David Wilkins, former South Carolina House speaker and ex-U.S. ambassador to Canada, for that job.

However, there are a lot of people pushing for Tim Scott still. I would prefer that Tim Scott get some more seasoning, but I know very little about David Wilkens.

A little investigation shows that he is tough on tax increases so he has that going for him. On the negative side it appears he is prone to cross the aisle on some issues. We do not need another aisle crossing Grahamite. Another issue is he is 66 years old. Of course, if this is only going to be a “temporary appointment” that would not matter. In the end, I would rather have Tim Scott. Wilkens has been around the “halls of power too long”.

Note also that Haley has shot down any chance she will appoint herself, which was my original preference.

http://is.gd/zhu0HM

http://is.gd/qlALXv

The State weighs in with an interview of Tim Scott.

http://is.gd/acJo2f

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

7 Does this mean that the Cheerleaders will also be thin?

Posted by: Dingbat at December 08, 2012 07:39 AM (7kpMj)

8 Yet another case showing that incompetent DC bureaucrats should not be entrusted with personal data. And you can bet, nobody will be fired for this.

http://is.gd/xy0PE0

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:39 AM (YdQQY)

9 Orangeaid finally makes it official. He has become a Democrat.

http://is.gd/tfdGgP

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:40 AM (YdQQY)

10 Japan is ready to shoot down the Nork’s missile.

http://is.gd/fqpTxF

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:40 AM (YdQQY)

11 The government has borrowed $292B the first two months of the 2013 fiscal year. Or I guess I should say, they have printed $292B. Which brings up another issue, the stupid push for the $1T coins. They had a discussion of this on FoxB yesterday evening in which the panelists and the host said with no disagreement that advocates have declared this to be legally within the President’s authority regardless of the debt ceiling. Their argument is pure sophistry and an obvious end-run around the law. No honest judge would call this “legal”. But hey, its good press so FoxB will not call it out. And they are supposed to be the more conservative side.

http://is.gd/sYFHKc

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:40 AM (YdQQY)

12 Has the IRS gone overboard on their interpretation of the “Medical Device Tax”? They are hitting veterinary devices as well. So look out Fido and Kitteh, your bills are going up too. Also recall that I posted a few days ago, stitches are considered a device as well.

http://is.gd/7j8W7y

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:40 AM (YdQQY)

13 35,000 Chinese rubber ducks seized because they were in violation of the new child toy standards. No word as to how they determined that these ducks were in excess of the limits. Probably as a result of a missing blank in a form to be completed at the factory.

http://is.gd/QYmx1a

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:41 AM (YdQQY)

14 New movie details the sex life of FDR. I consider FDR to be the worst President in US History (based on the criteria of who has done the most long term damage), but this movie serves no purpose. He is dead, let this be. And I doubt seriously if the movie has any entertainment value as well.

http://is.gd/fYeSbS

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:41 AM (YdQQY)

15 Classic literature to be dropped in US schools for EPA propaganda? And get this:

A new school curriculum which will affect 46 out of 50 states will make it compulsory for at least 70 per cent of books studied to be non-fiction, in an effort to ready pupils for the workplace.


In which alternate universe those this supposed council have the authority to ORDER local schools as to the content of their materials? I hope this article is BS. I am considering firing off a letter to Haley for this.

http://is.gd/Px1aNn

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:41 AM (YdQQY)

16 Yet another speculation as to how and why Romney lost OH and the election by the Daily Caller. A lot of analysis here based on 3 elections worth of exit poll trends. I debated whether it was worthwhile to post this or not because, although useful in some respects, exit polls are not the end all of causes because they do not measure the attitudes of the voters who stayed at home when they normally vote. But it does make for an interesting read.

http://is.gd/xZArbF

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:42 AM (YdQQY)

17 The GOP staffer who issued the report on copyright reform has been fired. Take that as a hint that Mickey Mouse still controls copyright law in the US and will continue to control it.

http://is.gd/x6xFsf

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:42 AM (YdQQY)

18 Union thugs disrupt cancer benefit in NYC. I would say something like time for this State to act as well as MI. But NY and especially NYC is a basket case. (Sorry JJ)

http://is.gd/GeaIya

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:42 AM (YdQQY)

19 It looks like not all federal judges are blind to Obama’s use of the Constitution as toilet paper.

http://is.gd/fbIjxA

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:42 AM (YdQQY)

20 Was Paul Ryan involved in the Boner Purge? From this article at BB it appears he was. But both he and Boner are still stonewalling on the entire mess. BB speculates on a run by him 2016 for President. If GOP history is maintained he will be a prime candidate. I would prefer someone not from the North and I want someone with a more conservative record. And if it turns out he was involved in this purge then he is a no-go for me.

http://is.gd/eDkOt4

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:43 AM (YdQQY)

21 And speaking of asshole Boner he is now making noises that actual rate changes are on the table for the tax increases. In short he is going to give Obama everything he wants in another sell-out for fictitious budget cuts down the road. This despite the fact that the promised budget cuts from the last deal have never occurred and we have had $1.1T deficits for every year of Obamaturture and looking at yet another $1.1T deficit for next year.

http://is.gd/wzblVM

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:43 AM (YdQQY)

22 2 Charlie Crist is now a Democrat? I'm confused. I thought he already was.
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No, he was a Republican like me.

Posted by: John Boehner at December 08, 2012 07:43 AM (b05Bg)

23 Obama to spend another $4M on yet another vacation to HI while the country goes over the cliff. Thank you FSB.

http://is.gd/jWSShg

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:43 AM (YdQQY)

24 Heard this one yesterday:

The NLRB (essentially a wing of the Democrat Party) blasted Hostess Bakeries for their behavior during the negotiations with the bakers union and ordered them to post an apology in their offices.

Unfortunately, the NLRB did not realize that Hostess is now out of business.

And government is the solution to all our problems!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:43 AM (XkWWK)

25 OK all you SC Morons which one of you was this? An alleged drunk driver runs into the same car in a drive through at MickeyD’s 4 times. Of course he had only had the standard “couple of beers” and he couldn’t walk straight due to knee surgery. That’s the first time I have heard that one. It would have been nice if the article had his BAC.

http://is.gd/xJvxIS

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:44 AM (YdQQY)

26 More Cowbell playing my Grandmother’s old town in VA!

http://is.gd/95myQC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:44 AM (YdQQY)

27 The news reader on one of our local stations is a total moron. She was reading a story about the WWII plane fished out of Lake Michigan. She concluded it by saying that the plane will be "destroyed and hopefully put on display." Of course, the same woman has an on-screen orgasm when she reads a story about Obama so that tells you a lot.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at December 08, 2012 07:44 AM (ky8o3)

28 Heritage looks at the 7.7% unemployment numbers and yes, once again the numbers are BS because it dropped due to people dropping out of the workforce. There has been a lot of talk about this crap. FoxB and Stewart Varney disappointed me yesterday when he phrased it as discouraged workers who dropped out. That is the WRONG way to word that. These workers are not discouraged; there are NO DAMN JOBS TO BE FOUND unless it is at fast food joints. Another thing that bothers me is the U-6 number. If the number is decreasing why did the U-6 number decrease .3 to 14.4? The math in all this bull shit is not adding up.


I go back to what I have said all along. You cannot trust a damn thing that comes out of this administration. They are the biggest liars in government history.

http://is.gd/INwgkv

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:44 AM (YdQQY)

29 Kindle Daily Deal:


Restless


Ruth Gilmartin feels shocked to learn her mother, Sally, was part of a British propaganda group that worked to nudge the United States into World War II. Now, decades later, Sally dives into her mom's secretive past as the pair hunt for the reclusive spy who recruited Ruth in 1939.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:45 AM (YdQQY)

30 And finally, the daily (for now) Christmas Kitteh


http://is.gd/sD3yWg



And that’s it for Saturday, December 08, 2012. I will probably be dropping out early today. I need to recalibrate my U-6 number.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:45 AM (YdQQY)

31 30 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:45 AM (YdQQY)


Just don't recalibrate your U-235 number! Have a great day, Vic.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:47 AM (XkWWK)

32 We've reached that point of the year where the college football schedule
is mighty thin. And by thin, I mean the Army/Navy game at 3pm Eastern
is the entirety of today's Division I-A schedule.



I went over to do my normal link to the top 25 teams for scores this morning and there was nothing, so yeah mighty thin,


But what is worse, I went over and looked at the bowl schedule. There isn't a single game there that I think will be worth a crap. Even the BCS game will be crap. AL will beat the shit out of ND.


We had the championship game last week between GA and AL.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:48 AM (YdQQY)

33 David Brooks has endorsed the newly moderate direction of the Republican Party.
http://tiny.cc/1j0zow
That's not proof that the Republican Party is now a left-wing front, but it is persuasive evidence.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 07:50 AM (b05Bg)

34 33 Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 07:50 AM (b05Bg)


But it is proof that David Brooks is a total jackass. As if we did not know this already.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:54 AM (XkWWK)

35

I may have to break down and actually be productive today.

Don't put off til tomorrow anything that could easily wait til after the SuperBowl.

Posted by: DaveA at December 08, 2012 07:54 AM (Xefrb)

36 Just don't recalibrate your U-235 number! Have a great day, Vic.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 07:47 AM (XkWWK)

LOL, I have actually handled new fuel, as well as spent fuel (at the end of along tool under water). But hopefully no U-235 directly.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:54 AM (YdQQY)

37
AL will beat the shit out of ND.

Yes we will. Enjoy the porch rocker today, Vic. I'll be putting up Christmas lights on the outside of Casa Backwardio, followed by a few Guinnii.

That'll be the extent of my productivity today.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 08, 2012 07:55 AM (yiIja)

38 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:40 AM (YdQQY)


The power to tax is the power to destroy!

The power to tax everything is the power to destroy everything!

We will not recognize this region of the North American continent in four more years.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:55 AM (Cnqmv)

39 Yes we will. Enjoy the porch rocker today, Vic.


Thanks I will get some porch time today. After a week of cold dreary it is supposed to be 72° today. I'll be on the road next weekend so last chance for a while time.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:57 AM (YdQQY)

40 When Boehner caves and votes as a good boot-licking ass-kissing Democrat lackey should, it will not appear on Drudge because it won't be news!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:58 AM (Cnqmv)

41 @21, Mr. Vic,

Besides being amazed at not being the last post here, I have to say let it burn!

Yep I voted republican..which has become Obama - lite! Tea party for me!

My new plan is to z out my company, travel back to the US, quit working, go on welfare, get food stamps and every other bene I can, so it crashes quicker and the Obama bots get less benes!

Then let the whining and gnashing of teeth begin.

I fly back overseas go back to work..mission accomplished!

Sound like a plan? Lets all go on Welfare!

Free shit for everyone until it crashes and burns!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 07:58 AM (f6XIc)

42 We will not recognize this region of the North American continent in four more years.


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 07:55 AM (Cnqmv)

I no longer recognize it from when I was in High School.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

43

Rubio gave this week's radio address. Pretty good. But not enough.

For the last 3 years I've been saying three things over and over.

1. town hall meetings
2. town hall meetings
3. town hall meetings

We shoukd be connecting with the people 365 days of the year, not just during election season.



Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 07:59 AM (BWzj8)

44 Sound like a plan? Lets all go on Welfare!


Since I am retired I can't go on welfare. May be able to get SSDI though. Oh my back hurts!

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:01 AM (YdQQY)

45 Rubio gave this week's radio address. Pretty good. But not enough.


Is he still on the amnesty train?

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

46
We shoukd be connecting with the people 365 days of the year, not just during election season.

You are laboring under the false assumption that those whom we send to Washington to act in our stead actually give a shit what we think.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 08, 2012 08:02 AM (yiIja)

47 We will not recognize this region of the North American continent in four more years.

---

I don't recognize it now.

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 08, 2012 08:02 AM (lTVJy)

48 Ann Coulter continues to support Romney. I agree, though many other morons won't. Mitt was not the problem.

The problem was exactly the one that Ann Coulter now sees clearly.

Ann Coulter: AMERICA NEARS EL TIPPING POINTO
http://tiny.cc/7y0zow
"What the youth vote shows is not that young people are nitwits who deserve lives of misery and joblessness, as I had previously believed, but that America is hitting the tipping point on our immigration policy."

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 08:03 AM (b05Bg)

49 ...poor kittehs, they don't look very happeh

Posted by: canadave at December 08, 2012 08:03 AM (voRpZ)

50
Have you done your homeworks?
Have you cut all ties with liberal relatives, friends, coworkers and acquaintances when possible?
Checking the disqus boards it is a continuous hate fest towards Republicans from election night.
Remember this every fucking day of your life. They enjoy it when youareweak and do not restraint when it comes down to double down the hate.
They are no different from the Muslims who demand to submit or die.

Posted by: fromabroad at December 08, 2012 08:04 AM (rnV3B)

51 Ann Coulter has gone over to the dark side. Yes, Mitt was the problem. He failed to inspire the people to get to the polls. Yes he did as good as McShitty, but McShitty lost too.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:05 AM (YdQQY)

52 "Will the cheerleaders be thin?" At the one Academy where I have first-hand experience, the cheerleaders are also Basic instructors. Some a little thicker than others, but hard, hard, hard assed. New definition of the cheerleader mentality.

There is a blog called Invisible Serf's Collar that tracks all possible import of the Common Core Curriculum. I recommend it for those who don't sleep well at night anyway. Others may wish to take it in small doses only.

Never mind all the tinfoil you've endured over FDR and Pearl Harbor up until now. Try this thought experiment: why, in the famous speech, did he ask for recognition of a retroactive state of war, beginning with the attack? Without retroactivity, the accidental sneak attack becomes a war crime (which most people thought, or still think it, to be). With it, it's merely "dastardly" (was that the last non-ironic use of that word?)

Could be a rhetorical device, to point out how the US did not want, and did not seek out, politics by other means -- which opens that can of tinfoil again. But in current context, that would be read as real, Machiavelli-level tricksterism by the Administration: water on the wheel of America Firsters, and a provocation to 1940's non-interventionists. Black swan, revaluation of all values. Weird.

Posted by: comatus at December 08, 2012 08:05 AM (qaVK+)

53

And I have to laugh at the Heritage Foundation's notion of connecting with the people and advancing conservatism by talking about things such as school choice in the urban areas.

The Right is so out of touch it is pathetic.

The inner city folk wouldn't give you two seconds of their attention for school choice. They don't care.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:05 AM (OA1Yc)

54 I no longer recognize it from when I was in High School.


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:58 AM (YdQQY)

I know we are in a hand-basket, but I can't quite predict when we get all the way to hell!
I was trying to think of the right mathematical model for this and exponential decay came to mind, but what we have is an exponential rate of increase of bad things.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:06 AM (Cnqmv)

55 Is he still on the amnesty train?


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:02 AM (YdQQY)

Isn't he the conductor?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:08 AM (Cnqmv)

56 I heard about this replacing books with nonfiction thing. A few days ago the guy who conducted the study said that schools had completly misread the study and replacing fiction with nonfiction was bad.

Why should I trust these people to teach my kids? They can't even do reading comprehension.

Posted by: Elizabethe at December 08, 2012 08:08 AM (oU9pV)

57
LIB = Ae[ex]ß+1000[/ex]

where LIB is Let It Burn

A is the population of the FSB

ß is the Boner factor

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

58 Well it didn't like ex for exponent.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

59 Of course, for those who know the text well, there's only one response to dropping "Catcher in The Rye":

Fuck. You.

Posted by: comatus at December 08, 2012 08:11 AM (qaVK+)

60
There's an article in Real Clear Politics this morning called "The Death of Tax Reform."

http://tinyurl.com/csgq9cm

A lot of the article I don't agree with, but one thing it says is that Obama isn't interested in closing loopholes and limiting deductions, but wants the higher rate because he wants to be seen as vanquishing the rich.

This is nothing but juvenile class warfare and a dangerous attitude for a president to have. And the people to whom this appeals are nothing but an ignorant mob.


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 08:11 AM (GoIUi)

61 Isn't he the conductor?


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:08 AM (Cnqmv)

Hell, it looks like he is now the Engineer on the Republican side.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:11 AM (YdQQY)

62 Why should I trust these people to teach my kids? They can't even do reading comprehension.

Posted by: Elizabethe at December 08, 2012 08:08 AM (oU9pV)

I really don't care if they are stupid or not. What I want to know is what gives them the authority to "mandate" this shit.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:13 AM (YdQQY)

63 The inner city folk wouldn't give you two seconds of their attention for school choice. They don't care.

There are exceptions. Look at DC when Obama cancelled the very successful voucher program there. The parents with kids in the program went batshit.

It's a hard sell, but not impossible. The trick is to get by the cartoon image most of these people have about conservatives. That takes salesmanship.

Personally, I don't give a shit if their kids get a decent education or not. I think if you want to doom your kid to a quick road to prison and a short life, well that's your call. We can put the money going to education now and build more prisons.

But the case can be made in the inner city for vouchers.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:13 AM (LH0IN)

64 Oh Good Vic is here. Vic I have a plan it may be twisted, but I think it could work.
The wealth Tax. Obama will ever go for this but it should be brought up. We should bring this up. A tax on millionaires and billionaires just like Obama wanted. 2-5 % of net worth of these folks, especially Obama voters. Hash tags including but not limited to #wheresmyfairshare #theydontneedthat
#taxtherich. You get the gist, follow every rich lib who voted for TFG, Streisand, Bill Gates, every freaking ball player, actor software guru, whatever. Go to the dark side and act like a lib, once their net worth is exposed and the paltry amount the tax will be the sharks will circle the water. CAC has great research skills for net worth, you, Vic are fap-tastic on the tweets and if you can grab AtC and her stompy boots I think we could get this going
You had asked for suggestions earlier this week on things to do.
Drag these people out and expose them for who they are.

Posted by: IjustGotUpForaGlass of water now back to bed at December 08, 2012 08:15 AM (bunDA)

65

How many votes can we/Heritage net from the effort?

A dozen?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:16 AM (OA1Yc)

66 GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 08:16 AM (iuY0Y)

67
If anyone wants to get really depressed, read Glenn Beck's new collaborative novel "Agenda 21".
I don't know why I bought it, but I read it in about two days. There was a lot of white space, scant text.
Anyway, Agenda 21 is real and if I were a better person I guess I would have attended my aldermanic ward meeting last week.

Posted by: Justamom at December 08, 2012 08:17 AM (Sptt8)

68
The inner city folk wouldn't give you two seconds of their attention for school choice. They don't care.


The outer city folks, for the most part, don't care either.

A local school district recently had a 1 day strike by the teachers. Everyone went back and sealed a deal that they had been working on for 3 years. Why? Mummy and Daddy might have to change their plans because their "free" babysitter wasn't available to "teach" their little ones. Oh the humanity! FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 08:17 AM (Q6u7O)

69 Personally, I don't give a shit if their kids get a decent education or not. I think if you want to doom your kid to a quick road to prison and a short life, well that's your call. We can put the money going to education now and build more prisons.

But the case can be made in the inner city for vouchers.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:13 AM (LH0IN)

OK, I disagree a little. Anything we can do to improve any child's education is a good thing. When parents send their kids private school it's usually cheaper. My kids private school spends less than the public schools per student and has vastly superior outcomes. Besides, the delinquents go to rob folks with money, that would be many of us.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:19 AM (3Y7RV)

70 Vic are fap-tastic on the tweets and if you can grab AtC and her stompy boots I think we could get this going

You had asked for suggestions earlier this week on things to do.

Drag these people out and expose them for who they are.



Posted by: IjustGotUpForaGlass of water now back to bed at December 08, 2012 08:15 AM (bunDA)

I think you are confusing me with someone else. I am not on Twitter and I have asked for no suggestions.

I have always been in favor of a flat 10% tax on all income regardless of amount with no deductions, no credits, and no exceptions. And also a limit on spending to no more than the previous years tax collections except in the time of a declared war.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:19 AM (YdQQY)

71 How many votes can we/Heritage net from the effort?

Think of Heritage as a Congressional research staff we don't have to pay for. They do the research, develop the argument, create the messaging effort.

Then people who are, in the memorable words of Slow Joe Biden, "clean, articulate and a nice looking guy" make the case in Congress, in the states, and in the neighborhoods.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:20 AM (LH0IN)

72 I have always been in favor of a flat 10% tax on all
income regardless of amount with no deductions, no credits, and no
exceptions. And also a limit on spending to no more than the previous
years tax collections except in the time of a declared war.


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:19 AM (YdQQY)

But..But...What about the loan I took on my house? and my school loan? and a tax credit for putting a solar water heater on my roof?...and the wind mill I had put in my back yard?...and...................























Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 08:22 AM (Q6u7O)

73 I have always been in favor of a flat 10% tax on all income regardless of amount with no deductions, no credits, and no exceptions. And also a limit on spending to no more than the previous years tax collections except in the time of a declared war.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:19 AM (YdQQY)

Hey, that's always been my vision of a "Fair Tax" also. I would also like to give states the right to opt out of all federal programs. A flat 5% for all citizens to maintain the military etc, but no money to the feds and no money from the feds.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:23 AM (3Y7RV)

74 Maybe people would get more excited about vouchers if we offered a rap singing option in the curriculum.

The saddest thing about American education is that it is producing graduates who have absolutely no sense of curiosity, who lack critical thinking skills, and who are more interested in pop culture than in history, literature, or mathematics.

Of course, I think that is the intent.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 08:23 AM (GoIUi)

75
Army Navy game - unless you've ever been to one its hard to understand the depth of it.
At the end of every 1st quarter the Navy Anthem is played and the big board starts showing the pictures of all Navy who have passed in the service of their country.
So its not just a game

Posted by: Bannable at December 08, 2012 08:26 AM (nYENA)

76 I would also like to give states the right to opt out of all federal programs.


We have always had that "right" to opt out totally. But Lincoln due to superior hardware and a population ten times as large with a constant source of canon fodder from Ireland was able to forcible nullify it.


Let the flames begin

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:26 AM (YdQQY)

77 So its not just a game
Posted by: Bannable at December 08, 2012 08:26 AM (nYENA)

You are correct sir, it's a big deal, I never miss it. Go Navy!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:27 AM (3Y7RV)

78 OK, I disagree a little. Anything we can do to improve any child's education is a good thing.

I know, OSP, but my give a shit circuit breaker tripped years ago. I just don't give a shit if LaQuanisha and Anquan get a decent education anymore. It's not their fault, it's their DNA-donor's fault. But long ago I got tired of being told I owe the black community something because I am white. Done. I am DONE.

If they want to self-destruct, if they want a 70% illegitimacy rate in perpetuity, if they want to be the bottom of the socio-economic ladder forever, they are welcome to it. Just build more prisons and streamline the judicial system.

It's not like no one has tried to help. They simply have no interest. Over $4 trillion in anti-poverty programs since 1964 and nothing to show for it

Fuck it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:27 AM (LH0IN)

79 The saddest thing about American education is that
it is producing graduates who have absolutely no sense of curiosity, who
lack critical thinking skills, and who are more interested in pop
culture than in history, literature, or mathematics.

Of course, I think that is the intent.


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 08:23 AM (GoIUi)

Hell, in most urban areas the few who do manage to graduate are functionally illiterate.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:28 AM (YdQQY)

80 Vic I will never comment while asleep again since I really missed the point I was trying to make My bad

Posted by: IjustGotUpForaGlass of water now back to bed at December 08, 2012 08:29 AM (bunDA)

81

How about a more direct approach for the inner city?

I sincerely believe that we can reach far more people by speaking frankly. For instance:

The Democrats are screwing you. They give you scraps in exchange for power and personal wealth. Democrats have a vested interest in keeping you dependent on them.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:30 AM (0PMZf)

82 Fuck it.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:27 AM (LH0IN)

You have a point. I think most that have worked hard to push their children to succeed, and it is hard work, share your opinion. It is a fine example of how throwing money at a problem doesn't fix it, it makes it worse.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:31 AM (3Y7RV)

83 [j]Hell, in most urban areas the few who do manage to graduate are functionally illiterate.

Having taught at the university level, I would add that this is not confined to the inner cities.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:31 AM (LH0IN)

84 Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:30 AM (0PMZf)


How about this:


The Democrats are treating you the same way the Arab Nations treat the Palestinian Refugees; you are a sacrificial goat used to further their political purposes and line their pockets. They really do not give a shit about you.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:32 AM (YdQQY)

85 Love the Flexbone offense!

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 08:32 AM (I2LwF)

86 Vic, re: US declaration against Japan. Thought the December 10th declaration against Germany and Italy was the last officially approval by Congress?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:32 AM (t866N)

87 Having taught at the university level, I would add that this is not confined to the inner cities.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:31 AM (LH0IN)

Community Colleges have entire 50's level programs for students who graduated but are too ignorant to accomplish the most basic of endevors, like filling out a McDonalds app.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:33 AM (3Y7RV)

88 School choice us actually a BFD in poor urban areas.

Heritage is trying to show us there are wedge issues that can get inner city folks (who vote 85% D regardless of race) to vote R up and down the ticket.

Vouchers = pastors supporting republicans. Catholic Schools thriving. Teachers unions being smashed.

Maybe some of you morons need to get some poor friends? Because it seems s lot of you have forgotten that they are real people.

They don't vote R for concrete reasons. Yes the FSB is there, but so are a lot of poor toiling families who don't know why banks get bailouts.

Principles matter you morons. Our candidates don't have then, so we can't run on the actual issues.

Fuck sometimes this forum us like PoliSci 101 for retards. Taught by public school teachers.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 08, 2012 08:33 AM (s+Cb9)

89 Having taught at the university level, I would add that this is not confined to the inner cities.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:31 AM (LH0IN)

Well I did say urban areas. The suburban schools I have seen haven't YET sunk to the level that the actual graduates are functionally illiterate.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:33 AM (YdQQY)

90 When will the MADD crowd weigh in on legalized pot?

Just guessing here, but I assume that legalizing pot puts more impaired drivers on the road. I would argue to anyone that when illegal, pot smokers tend to stay out of sight more...on the whole. With legalization, there will be a natural flaunting that happens and results in more fucked up drivers on the road killing people.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 08:34 AM (iuY0Y)

91 Vic, re: US declaration against Japan. Thought the
December 10th declaration against Germany and Italy was the last
officially approval by Congress?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:32 AM (t866N)

That is probably correct, but I was thinking more along the lines of WWII in general.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:35 AM (YdQQY)

92

The frustrating is the overwhelming evidence we have that Democrats are actually making life worse for generations of non-white city folk!

But we continue to pussyfoot around the topic. Just tell them DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWING YOUUUU!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:35 AM (niyzp)

93 Community Colleges have entire 50's level programs for students who graduated but are too ignorant to accomplish the most basic of endevors, like filling out a McDonalds app.

I know. I used to work at the Dept of Labor, I got to see the results of the public education system all over the country. No area is immune.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:36 AM (LH0IN)

94 Well I did say urban areas. The suburban schools I have seen haven't YET sunk to the level that the actual graduates are functionally illiterate.

That's what I am saying, I've seen kids from "decent" communities who had no business being in college due to their reading, writing and math skills.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:37 AM (LH0IN)

95 The Democrats are treating you the same way the Arab Nations treat the
Palestinian Refugees; you are a sacrificial goat used to further their
political purposes and line their pockets.

And the response would be:

Who?

What?

Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 08:37 AM (Q6u7O)

96 A logical electoral strategy should be coherent, that is your appeal should conform to your get-out-the-vote effort or vice-versa. In tennis terms, toss where you are going to swing.

If you plan to win by turning out the maximum inner city vote, it makes sense to prioritize appeals to inner city voters.

If you plan to win by turning out a relatively rural vote it makes sense to prioritize appealing to the interests of those voters.

The Lightworker mastered this, and that, with race, the demographics, and massive media support is why he won. He knew who his voters were, and he appealed to them in powerful identity politics terms. And he knew who his voters were not - working class White males - and he wrote them off the year before this election.

This is how the game is played in 21st Century America. The Republican Party can learn to play this game, or lose.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 08:37 AM (b05Bg)

97 Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 08:34 AM (iuY0Y)

I can't speak for everyone, but as an individual that has driven stoned more times than I can count, it's not like booze. When your stoned you are generally going 30mph in a 55 mph zone because your feel like your going 100mph. Booze makes you want to go really fast.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:38 AM (3Y7RV)

98

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:31 AM (LH0IN)

For real depression about the state of our education, an adjunct professor friend of mine had two foreign grad students (one Indian and one Chinese) that did better in his engineering courses than US citizens. In fact, at the end of the semester, he posed problems that he felt sure could not be answered in the time alloted just to see what would happen. Lo and behold, both the foreigners did extremely well on them.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:38 AM (Cnqmv)

99 Schools suck and Republicans have the only plan that changes course. Why aren't we winning?

Mitt should've made this an issue.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 08, 2012 08:39 AM (a0nis)

100 If you really want to get their attention, it has to be in terms they can understand.

"The democrats are playing you for suckers. They get your vote and you never get any real money, just pocket change. They are stealing from you and acting like they're doing you a favor. Let us show you how you can get rich like Jay-Z."

Another ting would be to show how time after time the democrats shove down prominent black leaders in favor of whites. I have a list including Harold Ford, Maynard Jackson, Gene Washington, and now, probably, Cory Booker.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 08:39 AM (GoIUi)

101 I can not believe that we have a huge amount of people who actually graduated that are functionally illiterate.


But then again, it has been a damn long time since I was in school. And when I taught adult classes at work I was teaching the top of the top who were very highly motivated. (Their job depended on it)

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:39 AM (YdQQY)

102 Miss Marple, from just before the election here is a little story of mine. Off Facebook this one young man, 20-something, was seriously worried about his friends. Saying they complain and gripe, but if given a little bit they quiet down. Since I have interacted socially with the ones he was talking about, I knew who he was talking about. Youth perpetually out of money until the next $60 XBox game came out, then they have money for that. Told him that he just described socialists. He got quiet for a bit and then acknowledged the truth of that statement.

I think only a hard cold bitter gut punch of reality will cure them. Talking won't.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:40 AM (t866N)

103 Imagine an election.. Where Mitt had principles... And he articulated them... On the issues... To different groups... Asking for their vote

No no, instead we decided to run a likability contest against a moviestar, and ran the guy who will foreclose your house to help banking buddies. Who he supports the bailout of.

Yeah, that's the path to victory. Bank bailouts! Now shut up about things that impact families and future voters.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 08, 2012 08:40 AM (R6s86)

104 That's what I am saying, I've seen kids from
"decent" communities who had no business being in college due to their
reading, writing and math skills.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:37 AM (LH0IN)

I can believe that, but were they actually illiterate?

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:40 AM (YdQQY)

105 I can believe that, but were they actually illiterate?
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:40 AM (YdQQY)

Yeah Vic, Illiterate. Every year by the thousands.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:41 AM (3Y7RV)

106 I can't speak for everyone, but as an individual that has driven stoned more times than I can count, it's not like booze

You have always cracked me up, OSP.

"Dude! I'm SO fucked up! Just not as fucked up as that guy!"

Man, I seriously do not know what I would do without the Moron Horde. I get a chuckle everyday here....and I desperately need them these days.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:42 AM (LH0IN)

107 I can believe that, but were they actually illiterate?


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:40 AM (YdQQY)

When you have to make an "X" over the "his mark" line, you are illiterate. I think what the above commenters meant is that a great many of today's graduates are functionally literate, but just barely.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:43 AM (Cnqmv)

108 I can believe that, but were they actually illiterate?

When you're a "high school graduate" and you're reading at a 4th grade level, that's "functionally illiterate" because you cannot function at your age level.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (LH0IN)

109 I can't say I'm upset at the prospect of my kids losing either TKAM or Catcher in the Rye. The latter is the most overrated bit of adolescent twaddle I've ever read. The former is just the continuation of the left's obsession with all things racial, complete with inculcation of white guilt. I enjoyed the book as a kid, but it's not great lit and can easily be read on one's own.

As to getting rid of the canon in favor of propaganda other nonfiction, the kids need more reading of all kinds, with real rigor in the testing and eval in place of the current regurgitation of PC axioms.

Posted by: pep at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (6TB1Z)

110 Thanks for taking the slow choom train old salior!

But the younger people I know tend to smoke and drink. I went over to MADD to see what they had. Some stats...


.. according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration:

"In 2009, of the drivers who were killed in motor vehicle crashes
(and were subsequently tested and had results reported), one in three
tested positive for drugs."
I guess we'll have to wait for the body counts to come in before we know for sure how the 20-something set handles legalized pot with alcohol and driving responsibilities.

Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (iuY0Y)

111 #105 I can attest to the truth of Oldsailors Poet's comments. I became alarmed over 20 years ago when I ran into college graduates who did not know where Switzerland was.

I volunteer at my grandchildren's grade school and it is one of the better ones, but even there I see kids who are not able to read with any level of skill. They cannot write a complete sentence.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (GoIUi)

112
A new school curriculum which will affect 46 out of 50 states will make it compulsory for at least 70 per cent of books studied to be non-fiction, in an effort to ready pupils for the workplace.
Vic: Funny how we get to know this because it's reported by European Press, not our own press. I am disgusted. Guess my daughter who just got her Masters from NYU in Publishing and Editing should've been reading "Inventories of Icebergs during Global Warming" instead of the Classics, huh.

Posted by: Daily Dish at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (+b3dK)

113 From dictionary com

functionally illiterate - having reading and writing skills insufficient for ordinary practical needs


These folks were at that level? Hell, if that is the case they wouldn't be able to play most video games or read the sports page.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (YdQQY)

114 99 Schools suck and Republicans have the only plan that changes course. Why aren't we winning?
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Because identity politics is the most powerful form of politics there is.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 08:46 AM (b05Bg)

115 There is a very good way to see one of the 20-somethings is part of the problem or part of the solution. Let them talk about their cellphones and how see how they physically treat their phones.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:47 AM (t866N)

116 But we continue to pussyfoot around the topic. Just tell them DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWING YOUUUU!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:35 AM (niyzp)


But their free stuff keeps coming in on time, so what's the problem! Many people want to do "well enough", and don't want to make the effort required to do well!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 08:47 AM (Cnqmv)

117 99 Schools suck and Republicans have the only plan that changes course. Why aren't we winning?

You can't do it in a single election cycle. The whole party needs to sing from the same hymnal all the time.

We don't.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:47 AM (LH0IN)

118 Miss Marple gets it.

If you're bit on offense you're on defense.

Attack them for everything to break their electoral coalition.

Want to win Hispanics and blacks in poor areas? School vouchers. Because then you empower Moms and Grandmoms to decide what's best for the kids. That means religious schools with prayer where no gangs are allowed, and relatives pool together to send extended families to the same schools, so social bonds replace government bondage.

The boys are given a real identity and learn respect. The girls aren't whores at 14. Teachers unions are smashed.

Maybe now you are able to get why vouchers terrify the left? In a single issue it can shatter 40 years of 'progress.'

Posted by: Hopeless at December 08, 2012 08:48 AM (Zc+kn)

119 Posted by: Tocquevillian at December 08, 2012 08:45 AM (iuY0Y)

To be honest, If they legalized weed I'd never take another drink of any type of booze. Then again, I'm now in the Nuke industry and thats a zero tolerance on any substance. So I guess whatever the Gov does don't mean poop for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:49 AM (3Y7RV)

120 functionally illiterate - having reading and writing skills insufficient for ordinary practical needs

Yes, Vic.

Using your dictionary.com definition, being 22 and unable to understand both the verbiage on a contract and the math required to calculate a monthly payment for a car loan makes one "functionally illiterate".

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:49 AM (LH0IN)

121 My solution for the schools has always been to eliminate all public schools totally and the Department of Education at both the federal and State level.



Make all schools private then provide vouchers formgrades 1 through 6 and then scholarships for poor students who show incentive and ability demonstrated through grades 1 through 6. All others go into on the job training programs. Nothing for college at all.


IOW, return it to the 1900 era stuff with some modifications.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:51 AM (YdQQY)

122 Hey Vic. About the war declaration thing. Sorry hobby horse I use to club the unwary who think they know WWII. I ask them when did the US declare against Germany and Italy. They will invariably point to the declaration against Japan. Idiocy comes from many different fathers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:52 AM (t866N)

123 Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:51 AM (YdQQY)

Spot on.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:52 AM (LH0IN)

124 If you're starving for football, watch the ODU-Ga Southern game on ESPN at noon. Nation's best FCS QB (threw for 730 yards in a game earlier this year) for ODU against the triple option team from Ga Southern.

Posted by: jaihawkk at December 08, 2012 08:52 AM (wihCk)

125 We have always had that "right" to opt out totally. But Lincoln due to superior

Yea there is precedent for Democrats pointing out their rights to cause the loss of an important principal in defense of an absolute moral wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at December 08, 2012 08:52 AM (Xefrb)

126
IOW, return it to the 1900 era stuff with some modifications.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:51 AM (YdQQY)

Why you little Liberatarian. I think that's their stance on Ed. I don't disagree with it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:52 AM (3Y7RV)

127 -
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

.... Marcus Aurelius (ed: the old emperor guy from "Gladiator")
_

looking about, I don't see more insane people here than not. That's something.

I guess.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 08, 2012 08:54 AM (RuUvx)

128 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:49 AM (LH0IN)



I don't think that is what the meant by ordinary practical needs. Hell it has been so long since I worked a compound interest problem I would have to look up the formula.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:54 AM (YdQQY)

129
In which alternate universe those this supposed council have the authority to ORDER local schools as to the content of their materials?





When we were preparing to homeschool our kids,we found out that public schools were notorious for being ignorant of state laws regarding public schools and the laws regarding them. They are also notorious for making up rules and guidelines that were outside of their legal right to do so.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 08:54 AM (DoZD+)

130 Return the US education system to the 1940s and 1950s, the one with slide-rulers that gave this country things like the F-104, SR-71, and the Moon.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 08:54 AM (t866N)

131 I don't "get" the attraction to college football.

It's just not as good as the pro version.

OTOH, I think college hockey is better than the pro version.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:55 AM (LH0IN)

132 IOW, return it to the 1900 era stuff with some modifications.


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:51 AM (YdQQY)

Sorry, Vic, I just don't see how a modern growing economy can function without thousands of Womyn's and LGBTQ Studies graduates flooding the market place every year., and job training programs are just so icky (expecting you to do stuff and all)!

No thanks, I'll stick with my SSDI.

Posted by: Inner City Yout' at December 08, 2012 08:56 AM (Cnqmv)

133 No thanks, I'll stick with my SSDI.


Posted by: Inner City Yout' at December 08, 2012 08:56 AM (Cnqmv)

How about giving me some pointers on getting some of dat SSDI loot.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:57 AM (YdQQY)

134 I don't think that is what the meant by ordinary practical needs. Hell it has been so long since I worked a compound interest problem I would have to look up the formula.

To me buying a car is a practical need.

And while you probably couldn't instantly remember the compound interest formula, if the salesman explained it to you, you'd understand in about 10 seconds and could do it yourself.

These kids cannot. No shit.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:58 AM (LH0IN)

135 It's just not as good as the pro version.


Surely you are joking.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:58 AM (YdQQY)

136 97
I can't speak for everyone, but as an individual that has driven stoned more times than I can count, it's not like booze. When your stoned you are generally going 30mph in a 55 mph zone because your feel like your going 100mph. Booze makes you want to go really fast.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 08:38 AM (3Y7RV)


I remember one time driving home on I-95 from a concert on LSD. I was concerned, of course, and trying to be careful. The whole way I was in the exact center of my lane, and every time I looked down at the speedometer the needle was glued to 55. It was like cruise control. Hell, I'm not that precise when I'm driving to work in the morning.

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 08:59 AM (sdi6R)

137 LIB = Ae[sup]ß+1000[/sup]

where LIB is Let It Burn

A is the population of the FSB

ß is the Boner factor


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

Don't know if this works

Posted by: Inner City Yout' at December 08, 2012 08:59 AM (Cnqmv)

138 Got a box of really old books when my 101 yr old Gma passed. In it was her Secondary Primer from school. I about feel over at the depth of knowledge in Math and history and literaturethey were expected to study and know by the ages of 12-13! Compared to today's cirriculums it's rather amazing.

Posted by: Daily Dish at December 08, 2012 08:59 AM (+b3dK)

139 "compound interest formula, if the salesman explained it to you, you'd understand in about 10 seconds and could do it yourself.

These kids cannot. No shit."

The kids couldn't sell you burgers without a cash register telling them how much change to give back.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 08, 2012 09:00 AM (RuUvx)

140 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 08:55 AM (LH0IN)

You know I spent my whole life not getting why people like Hockey. Then someone gave me some really good seats to a Milwaukee Admirals game and I took a date. It is a riot to watch in person. I still don't understand the game other than the puck in the net to score thing. But I would highly reccomend going to a game.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:01 AM (3Y7RV)

141 And speaking of illiterate and may have mentioned this before. One of the times I was called in for jury duty one of the questioned asked for SC duty is whether you can read or write.


And old black gentlemen (re: Tom T. Hall) behind me stood up and said he could not. The judge questioned him extensively and he maintained no he could not read. The judge asked him how many grades he attended and he said 4.



The judge was really disgusted and you could tell. He finally excused him. But what is also funny about it is the guy probably could have been excused on age and never had to bring it up.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:02 AM (YdQQY)

142 Surely you are joking.

Not even remotely.

The offensive and defensive schemes are less complicated. The game is MUCH slower, the talent level is a notch down from the pros.

College football is not the same game as pro football.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 09:02 AM (LH0IN)

143 I hate pro football and quit watching it years ago.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:04 AM (YdQQY)

144 I hate pro football now and quit watching it last week.

But, then, I'm an Eagles fan.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 08, 2012 09:05 AM (RuUvx)

145
In short he is going to give Obama everything he wants





So, business as usual?

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 09:05 AM (DoZD+)

146 How many more days till we get the grand compromise where we raise taxes today and pinky swear spending cuts for later.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 08, 2012 09:06 AM (OWjjx)

147 143 I hate pro football and quit watching it years ago.
Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:04 AM (YdQQY)

You know Vic, most college players that come out early for the draft do so because they cannot handle the academics. Those really good college players that stay the whole four years do so because they don't want to take a cut in pay. :-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:07 AM (3Y7RV)

148 I need elbows. Pointy ones.

Posted by: Travis at December 08, 2012 09:07 AM (9WkMB)

149 146 How many more days till we get the grand compromise where we raise taxes today and pinky swear spending cuts for later.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 08, 2012 09:06 AM (OWjjx)



Promises to cut spending? I think you're being optimistic.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:07 AM (I2LwF)

150 You know I spent my whole life not getting why people like Hockey

I grew up in New Engkand, so it was in the blood. My Dad was a Boston Bruins fanatic. I just didn't like the game, made no sense to me. Sort of like soccer on ice. And I already hated soccer.

But I went to Providence College which was always an NCAA hockey power when I was there. We went to the final four every year I was there and won it all once. That's what changed me. I love college hockey. It's a pure game at the college level. Later I taught at Boston University, which was and still is, a hockey powerhouse and weekends at Agganis Arena were just plain awesome.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 09:08 AM (LH0IN)

151 I apologize for the apparent repeating of myself above. Early a.m., not enough coffee yet, no makeup on. Gah.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 08, 2012 09:09 AM (DoZD+)

152 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 09:08 AM (LH0IN)


Mrs. Sailor is from WI. She feels the same way about the Badgers Hockey team.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:09 AM (3Y7RV)

153 Hey Vic, I start mock-up training on monday. This stuff is really intresting.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:10 AM (3Y7RV)

154 College football is not the same game as pro football.


Of course you're right about the game being slower and the talent being much more diluted, but it's not strictly a worse game. I think the variety makes it a better game. Plus, only about half the players are prima donna thugs, and all the kids try hard on every play.

I prefer college because of the variety and the innovation and because the atmosphere is more exciting for me. But I watch both.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:10 AM (I2LwF)

155 I actually like to watch damn near any football game and hockey is ok (hockey is probably the one sport that is better in person than on television).


The 2 television sporting events I do not get: golf and soccer.

Seems dull.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 08, 2012 09:13 AM (OWjjx)

156 (hockey is probably the one sport that is better in person than on television).

This. Hockey really is best in person - baseball too. Football I like to watch on TV.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 09:14 AM (LH0IN)

157 AL will beat the shit out of ND.


We had the championship game last week between GA and AL.


Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 07:48 AM (YdQQY)


Cheer, cheer for Old Notre Dame,

Wake up the echoes cheering her name,

Send a volley cheer on high,

Shake down the thunder from the sky!

What though the odds be great or small,

Old Notre Dame will win over all,

While her loyal sons are marching

Onward to victory!


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 08, 2012 09:15 AM (SKsa4)

158 This. Hockey really is best in person - baseball too. Football I like to watch on TV.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 08, 2012 09:14 AM (LH0IN)

Agreed. Baseball on TV is watching paint dry. My opinion, like my but hole, unique and sometimes stinks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:16 AM (3Y7RV)

159
The 2 television sporting events I do not get: golf and soccer.



Seems dull.

Soccer I do not like.

Television golf is for people like me, living in the cold winter area of the country, that want to see someplace warm, on a Sunday, while I nap in the chair.

Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 09:17 AM (Q6u7O)

160 Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 08, 2012 09:15 AM (SKsa4)


Alabama fight song; You gettin you an ass whoopin son.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:17 AM (3Y7RV)

161 Alabama fight song; You gettin you an ass whoopin son.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:17 AM (3Y7RV)


We're gonna win one for the Gipper

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 08, 2012 09:19 AM (SKsa4)

162 Hey! This is an open thread, not a football thread.

...Which means that discussing football is OK, then. Carry on.

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:19 AM (sdi6R)

163 Of course, the same woman has an on-screen orgasm when she reads a story about Obama so that tells you a lot.


Don't think of it as lefty propaganda. Think of it as free fetish porn being broadcast over the public airwaves.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 09:21 AM (z9HTb)

164 The only time I want to watch golf on TV is when they do the Masters in the Spring. Then I am not watching the game, I am drooling over the course and wishing I had that in my backyard.


And I only flip through it for a few minutes at a time.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:21 AM (YdQQY)

165 While I don't think there is a political solution to our problems, if there is, it's in forming, or converting the Republican party into, a expressly Populist party. Go tribal with the "Middle Class".

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 08, 2012 09:22 AM (QupBk)

166 Here's a nifty infographic about the fiscal cliff:

http://tinyurl.com/a2rq8b9

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:22 AM (sdi6R)

167 This is what some have posted on Facebook. College yutes your honor.
http://tinyurl.com/a4cnege
See the future and tremble.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:23 AM (t866N)

168 Do you think Ace is ever going to top the The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick, or is that going to be his version of writing the Rocky Horror Picture Show, in that you can hope to do well afterward but you can never hope to do better?

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 09:25 AM (b05Bg)

169 Dollars to donuts Johnny Football gets screwed over tonight. The national media is obsessed with ND, and will hide behind Manziell being a frosh to give the Heisman to to T'eo.

On the other hand, the "most outstanding player" in the country this year was actually Marqise Lee, and he's not even being considered (it physically pains me to type that because I hate USC for the same reason I hate ND -- Obama-like media slobbering -- but it's still true).

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:25 AM (bS6uW)

170 Dollars to donuts Johnny Football gets screwed over tonight. The national media is obsessed with ND, and will hide behind Manziell being a frosh to give the Heisman to to T'eo.


I could be wrong but something tells me Johnny football is the second coming of Joe Montana.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:27 AM (3Y7RV)

171 The only time I want to watch golf on TV is when they do the Masters in the Spring. Then I am not watching the game, I am drooling over the course and wishing I had that in my backyard.

You practically do have that in your back yard, Vic. Augusta is right next door, and SC has some of the most beautiful courses in the country.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:30 AM (bS6uW)

172 Winston Salem State (proud alma mater of notables ranging from Malcolm X to Earl "The Pearl" Monroe to Yancey Thigpen) are playing in the semi-finals of the D2 playoffs here in town today. Judging by the newspaper it won't be on tv or radio, which kind of sucks. The home radio guy is hilarious.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 08, 2012 09:30 AM (tkoGU)

173 You practically do have that in your back yard, Vic. Augusta is right next door, and SC has some of the most beautiful courses in the country.
Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:30 AM (bS6uW)

I do have a golf course in my back yard. Belvadere Country Club. Can't afford to join, kids private school is sucking up all my extra cash.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:32 AM (3Y7RV)

174 The unknown Arizona winner of half the $587.5 million has come forward. A married man in his 30s has decided to claim it in cash before the tax rates change in 2013.

http://tinyurl.com/bytp2n2

Alas the writer and editor of the story got something wrong that should be glaringly obvious. The guy had bought 10 tickets. Each Powerball ticket now costs $2 to buy. Now read that story again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:32 AM (t866N)

175 The unknown Arizona winner of half the $587.5 million has come forward. A married man in his 30s has decided to claim it in cash before the tax rates change in 2013.

Good for him, I hope he can handle it. Money brings many problems. I would however, like to give it a shot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:34 AM (3Y7RV)

176 Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:30 AM (bS6uW)


Don't misundertake me, I meant IN my backyard. LOL, besides, just because it is within a 2.5 hour drive doesn't mean I can go there. Those Masters tickets are passed on from generation to generation and peons like me need not apply.


That's it, we need a "fairness in Masters Tickets" law.


But yes, I have played some of the courses at the beach, but not in the Spring. Can't play golf anymore though now.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)

177 Anna Puma, did I miss something? The story said he bought $10 worth of tickets, and the store clerk tried to talk him into $20 worth.

Posted by: no good deed at December 08, 2012 09:36 AM (mjR67)

178 10 tickets will cost you $20.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:37 AM (t866N)

179 Vic....are you in the midlands?

Posted by: BignJames at December 08, 2012 09:37 AM (j7iSn)

180 North-Central

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)

181 Alas the writer and editor of the story got
something wrong that should be glaringly obvious. The guy had bought 10
tickets. Each Powerball ticket now costs $2 to buy. Now read that story
again.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:32 AM (t866N)


It says he bought $10 worth of tickets (5 tickets)....and gave the clerk a $20. She tried to convince him to buy more.

Posted by: Tami at December 08, 2012 09:38 AM (X6akg)

182 Good for him, I hope he can handle it. Money brings many problems. I would however, like to give it a shot.


"I'd like to purchase a lottery ticket, but I am worried about the adverse effects of such a big windfall."


Nope, can't convince myself.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 09:38 AM (z9HTb)

183 Gave up golfing when I got married.

Crappy trade.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:38 AM (I2LwF)

184 For all you Notre Dame fans:

My grandpa, gone 12 years now, learned football coaching in the summer under Knute Rockne. Said he was smart and a real gentleman. (This is from a guy who passed away 6 months short of 100.)

In those days teachers didn't take majors in education or phys ed. They took degrees in history or English or whatever. Then if they wanted to coach, they took lessons in the summer on their own dime.

My grandfather started the Ben Davis High School football program in Indianapolis. He also took basketball coaching from Tony Hinkle.

I am older than dirt. Off to mass, as today is a Holy Day of Obligation.

Have a great day!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 08, 2012 09:39 AM (GoIUi)

185 Crappy trade.
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:38 AM (I2LwF)

Hell why not, golf, kinky sex, all gone.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:39 AM (3Y7RV)

186 Crappy trade.

Posted by: TN at December 08, 2012 09:38 AM (I2LwF)

I had to give it up when I broke my left elbow in 3 places and messed up my shoulder. Yes, alcohol was involved.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:40 AM (YdQQY)

187 OSP, I have hopes that he and his wife do keep it together. At least they have not let their names get in the media, the Missouri couple who won the other half has.

I would like to give it a shot also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:40 AM (t866N)

188 I do have a golf course in my back yard. Belvadere Country Club. Can't afford to join, kids private school is sucking up all my extra cash.

Commitments come first, of course. Must be frustrating with it sitting right there. Hopefully you have a friend with a membership or at minimum get out on the munis from time to time.

I belong to this old plantation-turned-golf course type club out in the country just five minutes from my house. To be clear, it's a club where golf is played, not a country club if you know what I mean, but it works for me. Three nines that can be combined in different ways to make up your eighteen, the bartender serves strong drinks, and I can sit around on weekends watching football after a round or stop by for a nine-and-dine after work when the old lady is out of town. I don't have any kids so that helps. Kinda lame? Yeah, to be sure, but still, living the dream for this formerly dirt-poor country boy ...

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:40 AM (bS6uW)

189 Gotta go take care of some stuff. bbl

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:41 AM (YdQQY)

190 OSP, I have hopes that he and his wife do keep it together. At least they have not let their names get in the media, the Missouri couple who won the other half has.

I would like to give it a shot also.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:40 AM (t866N)

If they have a good relationship, they will be the only ones on the planet each other can trust.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:41 AM (3Y7RV)

191 180 North-Central

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 09:37 AM (YdQQY)

York...Lancaster?

Posted by: BignJames at December 08, 2012 09:42 AM (j7iSn)

192 Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:40 AM (bS6uW)

Sounds pefect, yep, our little club will never be mistaken for Augusta either.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:43 AM (3Y7RV)

193 @136, HAH!

Was it a Dead concert?

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:43 AM (f6XIc)

194
Don't misundertake me, I meant IN my backyard. LOL, besides, just because it is within a 2.5 hour drive doesn't mean I can go there. Those Masters tickets are passed on from generation to generation and peons like me need not apply.
.............................

Everytime the masters is on all I can think is "Wow, I would love to take my shoes off and walk through that place". I wish they would do what St Andrews over in Scotland does...they open the course on some Sundays for use as a park. Want to spread your blanket and have a picnic on the 5th green? Have at it. Want to roll around with your kids in the road hold bunker? Why not.

Posted by: Molly k. at December 08, 2012 09:43 AM (RX2lv)

195 Speaking of being functionally illiterate... I am going back to bed.. I had totally skipped over the $ before the 10 in the previous paragraph.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:44 AM (t866N)

196 Gave up golfing when I got married.

Yeah, I don't get that. Everyone needs a hobby, and everyone needs to have friends outside the marriage.

I assume this is why no one has ever wanted to marry me. Too reasonable. And physically revolting, but mostly too reasonable. *heh*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 08, 2012 09:45 AM (hO8IJ)

197 Still touting the Georgia vs Alabama game as the national championship game I see.
And that Bama is going to kill ND.
What was your prediction on the Bama vs Texas A&M game there Vic?
Bama may beat ND but I seriously doubt they will kill them.
How about this? A&M showed that a very good offense and a good defense can make Bama, Georgia and Florida look like what they truly are. Better than average, but that's it.
Given healthy rosters, Oregon, K-State, OU, Stanford, Baylor, etc. etc. etc would more than likely beat any of them.
On the other hand, it is college football, so you never know for sure.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 08, 2012 09:45 AM (IyoLR)

198 Posted by: In Cognito at December 08, 2012 09:45 AM (IyoLR)

Alabama 52
ND 10

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:46 AM (3Y7RV)

199 To be honest I don't even like golfing. But I don't like much of anything.

My parents are big wheels at the premier yacht club in RI. I hate sailing, too.

Man, I think of all the interesting things I've done and all the fun hobbies and skills I've learned it my life and then stopped doing... I guess you glorify the past when the future dries up.

But it makes me respect my old man so much more that he had the discipline and foresight to make those things available to his son.

One of the things I love about this site is all you old bastards because you remind me of my dad. Except I never heard my dad cuss in front of me, except for two times, and I never saw him or heard him talk about chasing skirt. But your sends ileitis are familiar to me and it feels like I'm hanging out with a bunch of guys that could be my dad.

It's his birthday today. I called him first thing and we get to see him tonight.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:47 AM (I2LwF)

200 Speaking of being functionally illiterate... I am
going back to bed.. I had totally skipped over the $ before the 10 in
the previous paragraph.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)



First sign of a conservative. Admitting an error.

Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 09:48 AM (Q6u7O)

201 It's his birthday today. I called him first thing and we get to see him tonight.
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:47 AM (I2LwF)

He Sounds like a Hell of a man, buy him a drink from the Horde.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:49 AM (3Y7RV)

202 Ann Coulter's reputation has now sagged lower than her teats.

Hack.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 08, 2012 09:49 AM (XkWWK)

203 I assume this is why no one has ever wanted to marry me. Too reasonable. And physically revolting, but mostly too reasonable. *heh*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at December 08, 2012 09:45 AM (hO8IJ)



I think it's because you're too clever to tie yourself to someone who could never be your equal in industriousness, intellect, or wit.

It's lonely at the top.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:51 AM (I2LwF)

204
Alabama 52
ND 10

You gonna share some of that stuff or drink it all yourself? D)

And this is why I love cfb over the pros.
The difference I perceive, though possibly wrongly so, in the spirit of the two games.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 08, 2012 09:52 AM (4Zmpq)

205 Baseball is better in person just because the subtle shifts of the game are better caught in person than on television. Watch close enough and you can almost determine the type of nature of the pitch that will be thrown by the adjustments made in the defense. Which you can not do with television.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at December 08, 2012 09:54 AM (OWjjx)

206 Posted by: In Cognito at December 08, 2012 09:52 AM (4Zmpq)

I would share my Makers Mark with you, come on down.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:54 AM (3Y7RV)

207 Most men live at least partially in the long shadows cast by their dads. I'm not special in that regard.

What I do find gratifying is that I didn't grow up to discover my dad was an asshole or a cross-dresser or beat my mom or something.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:54 AM (I2LwF)

208 Bruce, I would really hang my head in shame since I want to be a writer. Except I have seen some typos get past everyone and into print.

For example from a Tom Clancy novel 'taxi into the runway.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 09:54 AM (t866N)

209 Ok. My wife and kids are off to activities. I'm going to throw some cats on and snooze.

See you smart militants later.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:55 AM (I2LwF)

210 New thread. Onward!

Posted by: JDTAY at December 08, 2012 09:56 AM (a0nis)

211 What I do find gratifying is that I didn't grow up to discover my dad was an asshole or a cross-dresser or beat my mom or something.
Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 09:54 AM (I2LwF)

With the exception of the cross dressing, I grew up to discover all of those things and more. I'm a little jealous of those with Fathers that have morality and integrity. The only thing I can do is be the Father mine never was.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 08, 2012 09:57 AM (3Y7RV)

212 Good for you, Truman. Value this time because it won't last forever. Whether you're doing something together that he likes but you don't (like sailing, and frankly that doesn't sound so bad) or just banging a few boards together in the garage making a sandbox for the kids or whatever, you'll see later you were in fact building so much more.

My father died unexpectedly at 65, and there's nothing I wouldn't haven't done for more time with him. Enjoy your evening.

Posted by: Blacksheep at December 08, 2012 09:58 AM (bS6uW)

213 OSP - I'll bring some Blantons and we can tell lies all day.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 08, 2012 09:59 AM (kGDRz)

214 193 @136, HAH!

Was it a Dead concert?
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 09:43 AM (f6XIc)


Yes, it was. At the old Spectrum in Philadelphia.

Of course, this was in the wee early morning hours when traffic was light. Try driving 55 on that stretch of I-95 in the evening on your way to the concert and you'll be run off the road.

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 09:59 AM (sdi6R)

215 I would really hang my head in shame since I want to be a writer.
Except I have seen some typos get past everyone and into print.

Anna,
I only have a AA degree, but it is funny how glaring a misteak kan be wen yu reed somwon elses riting.

My own, I miss on a regular basis. Luckily spell check sees them. (most of the time)

Posted by: Bruce at December 08, 2012 09:59 AM (Q6u7O)

216 Did Vic miss this one?


http://tinyurl.com/bj5zxmz

California swipes a tree going around Laffer Curve

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 10:00 AM (z9HTb)

217 York...Lancaster?

Posted by: BignJames at December 08, 2012 09:42 AM (j7iSn)

Not gonna say.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 10:01 AM (YdQQY)

218 Heh Bruce. The human brain, how duz it werk?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 10:02 AM (t866N)

219 What was your prediction on the Bama vs Texas AM game there Vic?


I had not prediction but I would have called for AL.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 10:04 AM (YdQQY)

220 Fluffy it does look like California tried to whistle pass the graveyard again. And got mugged by reality.

I am still cracking up that a 99 Cents Only Store is opening on Rodeo Drive.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 10:06 AM (t866N)

221 Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 10:00 AM (z9HTb)

Yes because when I went through early early this morning that wasn't up.

Posted by: Vic at December 08, 2012 10:06 AM (YdQQY)

222 I am still cracking up that a 99 Cents Only Store is opening on Rodeo Drive.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 10:06 AM (t866N)

Time to go long on Dollar General (DG). It should do extremely well in CA.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 10:18 AM (Cnqmv)

223 I called him first thing and we get to see him tonight.

Enjoy it.

WDA jr, passed 12/3/11, missed everyday, born in Chicago, retired to and buried in NW IN. Not sure if that's just close to Mom, actually get buried and stay in the plot you paid for (doesn't always happen in Chicago) or wind up voting D (happens all the time in Chicago).

Posted by: DaveA at December 08, 2012 10:20 AM (Xefrb)

224 20 Was Paul Ryan involved in the Boner Purge? From this article at BB it appears he was. But both he and Boner are still stonewalling on the entire mess. BB speculates on a run by him 2016 for President...

The idea that Ryan suddenly became a Boehner lackey is ridiculous and contradicted by history. E.g., only a few weeks ago, Ryan publicly sided against leadership in a leadership contest and Boehner's lackeys slammed him and called him
"ungrateful". Ryan's actions in that situation had the potential to yield more negative consequences than any potential criticism here, and the fact that Hensarling has retained his chairmanship reinforces that. Likewise, this notion that the move helps Ryan in a potential '16 bid makes little sense, as there are no electoral upsides. Also, while runs for higher office change people, there are no signs of Ryan having suddenly developed a vindictive streak. Ultimately, this situation is more complicated than some would have you believe and the fact that only four members were stripped of their assignments proves that.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 08, 2012 10:25 AM (YjDyJ)

225 I am still cracking up that a 99 Cents Only Store is opening on Rodeo Drive.


The writer's dry statement of the fact made it extra funny.


Note to self: To avoid Vic's hawk eye, sleep in until the sun gets warm.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 10:27 AM (z9HTb)

226 I understand perfectly well why Charlie Crist joined the Demcratic Party. It's voters don't frown upon egocentric ambitious ex-frat boys advancing individual careers by buying votes with the public fisc. It's a mutually beneficial parasitic relationship.

The commonweal being the infected host.

Posted by: T. at December 08, 2012 10:27 AM (PVxAN)

227
Heads up to Northern VA Morons looking for something cool to see today: 150th Anniversary of the Battle of Fredericksburg includes Yanks conducting an assault crossing ofthe Rappahannock on authentic pontoon boats and investing the town -- looting, destruction, and other (simulated) hilarity to ensue, followed by (simulated) slaughter trying to take Marye's Heights. Great-great Grandpappy is probably grinning a ghostly grin as he draws a bead on a blue uniform from behind the Stone Wall.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at December 08, 2012 10:28 AM (Pjq2D)

228 Title 1 schools: I 'push in’ to 7/8 gen ed. classes for SPED kids which has more and become a catchall for kids and especially parents who just don't give a Fuck. These kids/ parents TELL teachers if I don't get it you suck at explaining it. Homework completed? Lol!! Why give it? No one does it. I see it ripped up and thrown in trash in the class. So are detention slips. Call parents? Lol again. "Content" for reading, writing, social, poetry? Any book or article on slavery, saving 'motha' earth, victimization. Discussions led by teachers around this Shit would make you sick. Dress code nonexistent. The 'Pobre' have more money in tats on one arm than my car costs and kids have better cellphones. Build more prisons and LIB.

Posted by: Special Ed at December 08, 2012 10:29 AM (t2xha)

229 GO ARMY BEAT THOSE PANSY SAILORS

Posted by: GIJared at December 08, 2012 10:42 AM (oj7Pj)

230 Continuing from #224, the important thing to remember here is that everyone involved is a politician and each has acted accordingly. The fact is that the four committee members were punished more because of their behavior than their ideology, though there are members on both sides of this situation who would have you believe otherwise. Boehner and McCarthy want this situation to show that they are in control, which they are clearly not. Boehner and McCarthy may wish to be Hastert and Delay but they never will be. Likewise, the four members involved want everyone to believe that they innocent victims when each has engaged in behavior that justifies their removal. Their claims that leadership is focused solely on conservatives is refuted by the fact that Walter Jones is not a conservative, that their replacements are solid conservatives, and that there are bigger thorns is Boehner's side who retained their committee assignments and in some cases were additionally given better ones.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 08, 2012 10:48 AM (YjDyJ)

231 If the GOP were a force truly to be feared, then Crist would spend the rest of his hopefully very short existence checking around every corner.

Arm yourselves and menace the opposition.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 08, 2012 10:51 AM (ty37M)

232 Fiction versus non-fiction debate and the core curriculum: this is what the Core recommends by the time students reach high school the balance of fiction to non-fiction should be 30% fiction to non-fiction 70%. Why? Most fiction is written for the mass market at a lower reading level 6th to 9th grade. Older fiction, the classics, is written at a higher level - yes - we are still are reading the classics. Nonfiction is the heavy lifter for raising a student's reading ability. Think reference book articles, journals, etc. What core is emphasizing is that student's do research, pull articles from library database research tools, do critical thinking as to which sources support the research topic. My high school has raised its reading levels significantly because we emphasize solid research skills, not google addiction. Fiction or poetry can serve another purpose to teach themes, writing styles, vocabulary, but nonfiction emphasizes advanced critical thinking and reading ability, especially as it is paired with solid research techniques.

Posted by: Marion the librarian at December 08, 2012 11:31 AM (TU1NJ)

233 Personally, I've always preferred non-fiction to fiction, but the federal government has no damn business dictating school curricula.

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 11:44 AM (sdi6R)

234
JJ Sefton, just recalled something I wanted to post in response to your comment last night about the Wildcat fighter fished out of Lake Michigan.

It is, I believe, the water temperature, oxygen content at the given depth, and chemistry of the bottom soils that have made Lake Michigan almost like a "wet" dry storage for WWII aircraft lost there. Many may not know that a lot of naval aviation training was conducted on the lake, initially using converted coal-carrier ships with flight decks put on top.

Again from memory, just to illustrate the phenomenon, a few years ago, the last Wildcat to be restored to flying condition, when found in Lake Michigan, had both tires inflated, a battery with a charge, and several instruments still worked. Amazing.

A museum I volunteer with recently acquired a very early tail number SBD dive bomber, also recovered from Lake Michigan. Fortunately, the idiotic insanity that now characterizes most of American public life has not yet made the WWII warbirds resting on the bottom of the lake off-limits. In the Bay Area a few years ago, another SBD was located by a group that researches western US military aircraft losses. Armed with tons of info on the plane, they approached the appropriate county authority in charge of reservoirs. Of course any salvage effort was forbidden, because you know a few gallons of fuel or oil might leak in the process. Which, of course, would have zero impact on the lake (and its fake, stocked fish population), and would evaporate in a few hours after rising to the surface.

A member of this grou alerted me to the existence of another downed Navy plane in a reservoir in another part of CA, long before it was "discovered" by a local fisherman using his fish-finder sonar. I was warned not to approach any county officials unless I could confirm their reasonableness before-hand. Events overtook the whole thing, but fortunately it turned out the local reservoir boss was quite reasonable, and the plane will be (has been?) recovered by the salvage co. out of IL that specializes in this thanks to the steady Lake Michigan work, and will be the only one of its type on display back at the Pensacola naval air museum.

Posted by: non-purist at December 08, 2012 12:15 PM (afQnV)

235
How about a more direct approach for the inner city?

I sincerely believe that we can reach far more people by speaking frankly. For instance:


The Democrats are screwing you. They give you scraps in exchange for power and personal wealth. Democrats have a vested interest in keeping you dependent on them.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 08, 2012 08:30 AM (0PMZf)
How about this? "If blacks had every squawk addressed, and no remaining grievances whatever, which party would gain? And which would lose?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 08, 2012 12:19 PM (4u2LN)

236 No week with the Army/Navy game is a "thin" schedule. What else do you need?

Posted by: Deuce Geary at December 08, 2012 01:30 PM (Xt3Nd)

237 e[sup]x[/sup]

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 08, 2012 02:52 PM (Cnqmv)

238 Sup?

Posted by: rickl at December 08, 2012 04:39 PM (sdi6R)

239 226 The commonweal being the infected host.
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I don't think there is a commonweal any more. I think there are two nations inhabiting a single territory. One is represented by the Democratic Party. The other has no effective representation.

Historically, when you invite foreigners in to defeat your domestic opponents you risk destruction yourself. It only makes sense to do that when you are putting defeat for domestic opponents above everything else. The attitude is: whoever wins, you lose.

Chronic mass immigration, which has been the law since 1965, works the same way. There is no "us" when one side is willing to invite in a foreign horde to crush its opponents. The "general welfare" has ceased to be a relevant concept.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 10:19 PM (N6ONJ)






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