Overnight Open Thread (7 Dec 2012)

Evening morons. I'm at work so y'all enjoy your Friday night for me.

Have GPS Devices Taken The Fun Out Of Navigation? Man you gotta know the basics before you rely on the gee whiz electronic gizmos. It's a bit of work to do it old school but it keeps your brain active and it can be a check to see if the electronic gear you are using is running correctly. We truly are screwed as a country if the power goes out and people don't have their apps to do basic stuff for them anymore.

WWII War Paint

How WWII Bomber Jacket Art Emboldened Our Boys. Interesting history on bomber jackets. Much of what was used then would not be done today with the PC police on the prowl.

WWII London Bombing Map

A very visual reminder of how bombing campaigns used to be run. Astonishing Interactive Map That Shows EVERY German Bomb Dropped On London During The Blitz.

From Pearl Harbor To Nagasaki

You know, I did this once in that old PC Game Aces Of The Pacific. Roosevelt, UT Pilot Saw The Beginning And The End Of The War In The Pacific. Impressive. He flew 220 combat missions in 122 different kinds of aircraft.

Ghost Detector

Attention all you fappin' morons, which is pretty much all of you. Are you still worried about ghosts watching you while you do the five finger shuffle? Well, worry no more. There's an app and attachment for that. Say hi to Mr. Ghost, The iPhone Electro Magnetic Field Detector.

Sock Puppet Shakespeare

The Scottish Falsetto Sock Puppets.

Soon, U.S. students won't know Macbeth. Schools in America are to drop classic books such as Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird and JD Salinger's Catcher in the Rye from their curriculum in favor of 'informational texts'. Uh-uh. Informational texts. Probably ones that teach how to sign up for food stamps, how to vote Democrat, how to save the planet, how to qualify for welfare, blah, blah, blah.

Pop Quiz

So how well do you think You Know Military Operation Names? Take the quiz and find out. The first couple are easy and then it gets harder. I aced it of course.

Star Wars

How Much We Care About Star Wars Over Time. Seems about right.


Doggeh Video

It's only a matter of time before that thirsty dog figures out how to operate a beer tap.

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Comments

1 Good evening

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:02 PM (piMMO)

2 Hurrah for the Open!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:02 PM (mkb9H)

3 Jerry Sandusky thinks he will be safe in general population. I say, let him prove it.

http://bit.ly/ULdde8

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:02 PM (piMMO)

4 Dahmer was dead in less than 24 hours in general population.

Posted by: CDR M at December 07, 2012 10:04 PM (dKV5k)

5 Argh, ONT gonna kill the Trek talk! X_X

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 07, 2012 10:06 PM (Lvgz1)

6 Say hi to Mr. Ghost, The iPhone Electro Magnetic Field Detector.

OMG, I know what to get Peaches for Christmas!

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 07, 2012 10:06 PM (LbRej)

7 Good Puppy!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 07, 2012 10:07 PM (3E2th)

8 I repeat, Charlize is fucking hot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:07 PM (GEICT)

9 GPS is ok, but I prefer to rely on an old fashioned paper map

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 07, 2012 10:07 PM (/NgNT)

10 Today is the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. God bless those people. Hardly any mention of it in the local news.

Posted by: crotchetyoldjarhead at December 07, 2012 10:08 PM (pUkWs)

11 Hey Capt Backfire

What kind of dog? I've been thinking about getting one.

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:08 PM (0PiQ4)

12 What's this shit about the Taliban being around in 1979? That's a crock. The Talibs were created/launched from Pakistan to challenge the warlord chaos that resulted after the Soviet pullout.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:09 PM (xaPEC)

13 In case ace pops up here

305 Any suggestions?
Posted by: ace at December 07, 2012 10:02 PM (LCRYB)

Safe. Lawless.

Lawless is kinda slow, and has Shia La Boef, but I find myself re-watching it.

Oldman is was underused - but fantastic.

I think I just like the depiction of a people and an era where brass knuckles are an appropriate answer to threat. Also, free enterprise.
Posted by: Hollywood Accountants at December 07, 2012 10:06 PM (vGtOG)

Posted by: Hollywood Accountants at December 07, 2012 10:10 PM (vGtOG)

14 Dahmer was dead in less than 24 hours in general population.

The defacto death penalty without those pesky 20 year multimillion dollar series of appeals.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 07, 2012 10:10 PM (LbRej)

15 Hello all. I didn't have anything to add to the Star Trek thread. Just not my thing.
-
But, 6 days in - the 'new dog' Emmitt is adjusting beautifully. After putting Ralph down in March, I wasn't sure if I could love another (at least "as much"). And I had forgotten what knuckleheads puppies are. He's already eaten a couple of Mrs. B's Christmas decorations, but it is excused.
-
Imperfect as he is (as a rescue), and "not Ralph", he's going to be fine, and we I already love him.

More every day...

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:11 PM (mkb9H)

16 I never realized that Dean Martin had such a small head before.

Posted by: Parking Lot Bozo at December 07, 2012 10:11 PM (DC1tz)

17 never trust the gps that is how the machines plan to exterminate us - one day gps will herd all of the unwitting drivers to key locations where the machines will be waiting. gps is always and only a back up.

besides, girls get lost with gps anyway.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 07, 2012 10:11 PM (Z9EHQ)

18 TGIF, that is all.

Posted by: Bosk at December 07, 2012 10:12 PM (QkFee)

19 Tax Hikes for Thee but not for Me;

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Washington Post Co. will pay its 2013 dividends before the end of this year to try to spare investors from anticipated tax increases.

http://tinyurl.com/cf9nzwg

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:13 PM (wwsoB)

20 For that tiny subset of people who care about high school football, Bradenton Manatee, the number one ranked team in the country, lost to Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas 35-18 in the Florida 7A semi-final.

Posted by: boniface ballers at December 07, 2012 10:14 PM (l3RZ9)

21 That's funny, Capt. Backfire. I was walking the dog at work today (one of the guys keeps his dog at the office while he's out on calls) and while passing the picnic table set up outside for workers to lunch at in clement weather, the dog sees a pizza crust left by an asshole picnicker and gobbles it up!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 07, 2012 10:15 PM (jPVBi)

22 Posted by: yankeefifth at December 07, 2012 10:11 PM (Z9EHQ)

It's amazing!

My wife actually crossed a large suspension bridge by mistake because she said "the GPS told me to!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2012 10:15 PM (GsoHv)

23 Okay, the latest Mrs. Northism for you morons:


The other day we were watching Family Guy (shut up) on TV. The Griffins had formed a touring rock and roll act like the Brady Bunch, and part of the motage to their one hit was a shot of the family walking across a crosswalk on a street in London, a la Abbey Road.

Mrs. North goes, "Oh! I know that one! One Direction did that in their music video!"

I explained to her where it came from, and now she know Paul McCartney as "the guy from that band that did the One Direction thing."


Shit you not.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:15 PM (I2LwF)

24 Well, those two books suck anyway.

Posted by: boulder hobo at December 07, 2012 10:15 PM (QTHTd)

25 Paper maps are great to own. If the GPS craps out you're better off and even if it doesn't you have Plan B for those in the passenger seat who are not used to the GPS.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:15 PM (vvjTh)

26 Just remember odds are north and south evens are east west for the most part and you'll be alright

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 10:16 PM (0fxcV)

27 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:07 PM (GEICT)

Um....that's Dean Martin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2012 10:16 PM (GsoHv)

28 From Breitbart: Top 10 Excerpts from Zimmerman vs. NBC Complaint

http://t.co/GmClJc3s

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:16 PM (piMMO)

29 And make sure you have a truckers atlas

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 10:17 PM (0fxcV)

30 I knew there was a reason that The Orifice of Omaha was all hot for Compost paywalls;

The Washington Post's dividend payment also stands to benefit those with a significant stake in the company, such as Warren Buffett's firm Berkshire Hathaway. Berkshire is its largest shareholder with an estimated 1.7 million shares, which means it could get a roughly $17 million dividend payment.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:18 PM (wwsoB)

31 I explained to her where it came from, and now she know Paul McCartney as "the guy from that band that did the One Direction thing."


****

God love 'er

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:18 PM (piMMO)

32 WTH is everyone? Still talking about Star Wars?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:19 PM (piMMO)

33 I have an old car (2002 Saturn) and I've never bothered to add new gadgets to it, so no GPS. Its good old fashion maps for me. I've always liked maps anyways (really!). Now get off my lawn!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum at December 07, 2012 10:19 PM (q46sI)

34 I used to use a Hudson book when I was a Process Server in college. I hate GPS and will never use it. I don't trust the information given.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:19 PM (jucos)

35 27 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:07 PM (GEICT)

Um....that's Dean Martin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 07, 2012 10:16 PM (GsoHv)




Huh? Clearly I have missed a/the joke...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:20 PM (GEICT)

36 Hi L! Thanks for asking. It's my current favorite topic.

He's a golden lab-pit mix. 13 month old, pound pup, mutt. I was totally surprised Sunday, as a Birthday present by Mrs. and the (2) teenage boys.

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He acts like he had been meal deprived. You can't even sneak a snack, without him on point. But he is settling in.He's a tiny bit worse for history. A little nicked, and scratched. But that just makes him more loveable?

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:20 PM (mkb9H)

37 Dahmer was dead in less than 24 hours in general population.


Posted by: CDR M at December 07, 2012 10:04 PM


Yeah, but there was no human head soup on the chow menu. I wouldn't call that "living", anyway.

Posted by: zombie dahmer at December 07, 2012 10:20 PM (yBF/9)

38 A WaPo paywall won't generate much revenue, it will only lose eyeballs. They're in a death spiral.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:21 PM (xaPEC)

39 I ain't afraid of no ghosts.

Besides, they are white and therefore racist.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:21 PM (ccXZP)

40 28 From Breitbart: Top 10 Excerpts from Zimmerman vs. NBC Complaint

http://t.co/GmClJc3s
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:16 PM (piMMO)

I am usually suspicious of most lawsuits do to lawfare, settlement seeking, and the attempt to legislate from the bench, but Zimmerman needs to take a big, wet bite out of NBC's ass on this one.

Posted by: Hollywood Accountants at December 07, 2012 10:22 PM (vGtOG)

41 Its good old fashion maps for me.

A map will never direct you to make a turn into canal or off a cliff.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:22 PM (xaPEC)

42 I guess it's better than knowing Paul McCartney as "the old guy who married that woman with the wooden leg," her old reference point.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:24 PM (I2LwF)

43 The temporal surge they detected was caused by an explosion of a microscopic singularity passing through the solar system. Somehow, the energy emitted by the singularity shifted the chroniton particles in their hull into a high state of temporal polarisation.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 07, 2012 10:24 PM (lgELp)

44 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:25 PM (JMmQ9)

45
GPS almost always gets you there, but it may not be the best route.


And when the red warning (Some roads may be unpaved, do you wish to continue) pops up, make sure you have a 4WD vehicle.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2012 10:25 PM (Cnqmv)

46
I predict that Zimmerman's lawsuit will go .......nowhere.

Really? A guy indicted for murder will sue and win against a major network because they told the news in a naughty way?

Not in the US of A. It is really hard to "prove" that sort of thing, even though the amount of malice and hate at NBC News is palpable.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers, sure at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (Md8Uo)

47 Since this is kind of a downer Christmas, a downer song

Joni Mitchell - River

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwo9IQMWM0

It is a gorgeous song though

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (wwsoB)

48 Th GMC equipped GPS are the worst! Hubby and I have had more fights whilst trying to navigate with that! He has an after-market TomTom in his pickup, which works beautifully!

Posted by: Kalneva at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (S+/pH)

49 Zimmerman needs to take a big, wet bite out of NBC's ass on this one.

Take nothing less than $100M...start with $1B and negotiate down.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (xaPEC)

50 Hey Gnu. Always like to see, and enjoy, what you have, too.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (mkb9H)

51 A-2s are the shit, but not great for motorcycling. The Indiana Jones variant is better (no cloth cuffs/waist), but it still needs a kidney belt.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 07, 2012 10:27 PM (celt+)

52 So how well do you think You Know Military Operation Names? Take the quiz and find out. The first couple are easy and then it gets harder. I aced it of course.

I could do this all night.

Posted by: George Takei at December 07, 2012 10:27 PM (08zV/)

53 That puppy pulling on that bikini reminds me of the old Coppertone ad.


Damn, that aged me.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 07, 2012 10:27 PM (Zd/NW)

54 Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 07, 2012 10:24 PM (lgELp)


...And he should know, he's an Internet Doctor!


Shit that sucked. Let me try this one:


...Actual text from the doctor's note I carry excusing my premature ejaculation.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:27 PM (I2LwF)

55 TFG has asked Congress for a mere $60.4 billion for Sandy.

No offsets. Bloomberg's response? That's a good start.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:27 PM (ccXZP)

56 Regarding GPS:

My grandson, it has suddenly become apparent to me, does not know maps, as he depends on his iPhone navigation.

I had him driving with me to his friend's house (he gets his license next month) and he had me read the route on the iPhone map. Of course, Icould only see a section of the route at a time.

So then we got to his friend's house, and I realized we had taken a circuitous route and if we had gone by the streets I know from years of driving in the area and reading MAPS, we could have cut our time in half.

So for Christmas, one of the thingsI am getting him is a street map of Indianapolis. And Iam going to teach him how to use it.

I don't think they teach much map-reading in schools now. He's an honor student but had no idea how to navigate without the phone.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (GoIUi)

57 38
A WaPo paywall won't generate much revenue, it will only lose eyeballs. They're in a death spiral.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:21 PM (xaPEC)

The Post's main problems are the following: (1) The printed product is available online for free; (2) A lot of the weekend articles are online by Thursday (and free!); and (3) The local coverage is terrible. If the Post wants to be a local paper it's failing miserably. It has to decide whether it was to be a Washington-centric paper or a NYT-clone.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (vvjTh)

58
Posted by: Kalneva at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (S+/pH)


The in-vehicle GPS is a rip-off and is easily surpassed by the cheapest aftermarket unit. You can buy the newest after market unit for about 50% of what a map upgrade costs for the in-vehicle device.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (Cnqmv)

59 It is really hard to "prove" that sort of thing

The fabrications are a matter of record. That they intentionally manufactured untruths, and continued to spread them even after they were revealed is not up for debate.

That people were fired is prima facie evidence of guilt.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (xaPEC)

60 My brother in law once was trying to give me directions from DC out to Dulles airport. I live here and know the way. The directions he was getting from GPS were so fucked up I had to laugh.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (jucos)

61 It is a gorgeous song though

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (wwsoB)

Sara McLaughlin (sp) covered it, and it's even more hauntingly beautiful.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (Pa+5i)

62 Downer Christmas song playlist continues;

Chicago - Christmastime is Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8B0jyKBF4U

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (wwsoB)

63 I always thought that Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been Operation Serious Consequences.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (QupBk)

64 I always seem to notice around this time of year people ringing bells by red buckets. It's been my habit to take the long way around so I don't have to make eye contact with them. Maybe I should throw in a couple of bucks because of the economy and all.

Posted by: Al Gore at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (4nxhP)

65 You can buy the newest after market unit for about 50% of what a map upgrade costs for the in-vehicle device.

Big Lots is selling some Garmin unit for $60.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (xaPEC)

66 It's only a matter of time before that thirsty dog figures out how to operate a beer tap.

Correction: It's only a matter of time before your beer is served warm and flat.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 10:31 PM (08zV/)

67 So for Christmas, one of the thingsI am getting him is a street map of Indianapolis. And Iam going to teach him how to use it.

I
don't think they teach much map-reading in schools now. He's an honor
student but had no idea how to navigate without the phone.


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (GoIUi)

Yes!!! Teach him how to read a street map. I fully support you!

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:31 PM (vvjTh)

68 Capt Backfire

Here's a big awwwwwwwww.

Real question: how hard is he on the house? I was all set to get a puppy until I went roller skating and wound up talking to another roller skater who just adopted puppies. She said her two Alaskan huskies ruined her floors and furniture and required her to vaccuum daily to deal with their shedding. I don't think I can deal with that now given my post election mindset.

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:31 PM (0PiQ4)

69 I always thought that Operation Iraqi Freedom should have been Operation Serious Unintended Consequences.


Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (QupBk)


FIFY

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2012 10:32 PM (Cnqmv)

70 61
It is a gorgeous song though



Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (wwsoB)



Sara McLaughlin (sp) covered it, and it's even more hauntingly beautiful.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM

I love Sarah's cover of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2t9J4YBI_0

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (wwsoB)

71 64 I always seem to notice around this time of year people ringing bells by red buckets. It's been my habit to take the long way around so I don't have to make eye contact with them. Maybe I should throw in a couple of bucks because of the economy and all.
Posted by: Al Gore at December 07, 2012 10:30 PM (4nxhP)



Actually, it's a lot like church, Al. You know how they pass the plate of money around and you take what you need? Same deal, except you have to beat the Bucket Champion in single combat to the death in order to access the prize.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (I2LwF)

72 Hi back, Monsieur Backfire aka all kinds of new, semi-new, slightly used, and now badly worn Moron.

I have a GPS unit, the kind that talks to you, brand new still in the box. I'm afraid if I turn it on it will insult me. In French.

I only know two words in French -- Monsieur and lagniappe. Mostly just lagniappe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (ccXZP)

73 How long will the garmans and tom-toms hold out against the smart phones with gps?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (QupBk)

74 I weep for my country and it's downward spiral, and even more so for my sweet nieces who will probably never know the joys of real men who don't need effing GPS systems to get anywhere, let alone all the other pussification of men that is taking place.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (Pa+5i)

75













The Afghan
Quarterback

The coach had put together the
perfect team for the Chicago Bears. The only thing that was missing was a good
quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European
Leagues, but he couldn't find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl
win.

Then one night while watching CNN
he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan . In one corner of the background, he
spotted a young Afghan Muslim soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a
hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away.

KABOOM!

He threw another hand-grenade 75
yards away, right into a chimney.

KA-BLOOEY!

Then he threw another at a
passing car going 90 mph.

BULLS-EYE!

"I've got to get this guy!" Coach
said to
himself. "He has the perfect
arm!"

So, he brings him to the States
and teaches him the great game of football. And the Bears go on to win the Super
Bowl.

The young Afghan is hailed as the
great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young
man wants is to call his mother.

"Mom," he says into the phone, "I
just won the Super Bowl!"

"I don't want to talk to you, the
old Muslim woman says."You are not my son!"

"I don't think you understand,
Mother," the young man pleads. "I've won the greatest sporting event in the
world. I'm here among thousands of my adoring fans."

"No! Let me tell you!" his mother
retorts. "At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The
neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch
of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she
doesn't get raped!" The old lady pauses, and then tearfully
says,

"I will never forgive you for
making us move to Chicago
!!!!









Posted by: minometer at December 07, 2012 10:34 PM (PwwAS)

76 What would really make a Tom-Tom extra useful would be adding a radar-detector circuit to it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:35 PM (QupBk)

77 Evenin' Alton! Glad you are present also. And, Andy the Canadian - yeah, you can leave no foodstuffs unattended.

It's been 12 years since we've been in 'puppy-land'. I'm having to remember, or learn all over. I'm not sure who's teaching who. Everyone should have a pet. It certainly has brought me back-around from the "total LIB" mentality. And I was ready to "Go Deep". + I can already tell he's an alpha "watch-dog".

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:35 PM (mkb9H)

78 Posted by: minometer

So close to the barrel, and yet, so far.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 10:35 PM (08zV/)

79 Dogs/cats will destroy carpets.

Dog/cat piss will turn wood floors a black color that penetrates the wood deeply and won't wash off. Caught quick enough you may be able to rent a floor sander and sand the black stain out if it hasn't progressed too far.

There's really only one floor suitable for pets - cheap linoleum. Even 1' square vinyl is no good because the piss will seep between the seams and get into the subflooring.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:36 PM (xaPEC)

80 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:33 PM (ccXZP)

Hell, boy, ain't you from Mississippi? You know more than that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (Pa+5i)

81 Oh, here's my fuckin' homies . . . haven't had a moment all day to check in. OMG, Tammy!!!! Your comment at 74 is absolutely how I feel, but you know what? I ain't weeping. Just not gonna do it. I am dangerously close to disconnecting from the entire fiasco. It's not me, but I am thinking it might be part of the survival mode I need to embrace to live out the rest of my days. Horrible . . . horrible . . . (and just btw, big hug, darlin' girl)

Posted by: Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (kpCLl)

82 Interesting history on bomber jackets. Much of what was used then would not be done today with the PC police on the prowl.

Another difference, they were allowed to win. Coincidence?

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (qFqga)

83 GPS units will never be the equal to smart phones, because you can't watch porn on your GPS

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (I2LwF)

84 Okay, question #5 of that 'military operation names quiz' is highly suspect.

'When the Allies invaded Normandy, they called the operation one of these three: Operation Neptune, Operation Overlord, or Operation Sand Castle.'

They say the answer is Operation Neptune. This answer would be correct if the question specially asked about the seaborne part of the invasion. But look at the wording 'Allies invaded Normandy.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (t866N)

85 I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras. Md continues to add more and more of them. They don't call it the peoples republic of Maryland for nothing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (jucos)

86 I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras.

Steal your neighbors plates.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:38 PM (QupBk)

87 60
My brother in law once was trying to give me directions from DC out to
Dulles airport. I live here and know the way. The directions he was
getting from GPS were so fucked up I had to laugh.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:29 PM (jucos)


I'm curious: Do you remember the directions?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:39 PM (vvjTh)

88 device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras

Smear some mud on them.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:39 PM (xaPEC)

89 Posted by: Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (kpCLl)

Hey, sweet one! The only thing saving my sanity is that I am in The Land of Flannel Shirts, Camo and Mud-Encrusted 4 Wheel Drives. Real Men as far as the eye can see.... God Bless Dixie.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:39 PM (Pa+5i)

90 would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras

Bless your heart, they don't have duct tape where you come from?

Posted by: Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:40 PM (kpCLl)

91 Regarding the Washington Post paywall:

Oh ye naive morons! What will happen is that while we, the supposedly smart people, will not buy subscriptions, TFG will order subscriptions for all government departments, agencies, military posts, etc. In many, many multiples for each email address.

So, the Washington Post will get a back door subsidy from Obama, as a reward for trashing Romney constantly and glorifying Obama.

My Cynical Soviet Citizen personna drinks yet more vodka, lights a Turkish cigarette, and laughs at stupid Americanski morons!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:41 PM (GoIUi)

92 Maryland requires front and rear plates, electrical tape might be in order to alter things...

Cloaking device on.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 10:41 PM (t866N)

93 Truman North

Are you married to a trophy wife?

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:41 PM (0PiQ4)

94 Two songs that are not only downright depressing but sappy as they come. I think they were intended to convince the populace to destroy Christmas as we knew it

The Christmas Shoes

I wanted to slash my wrists the first time I heard it. Instead I beat myself over the head with Gucci Christmas shoes

Do They Know It's Christmastime

Probably not, since the Ethiopians this Crap by Committee produced this Group Dump for are Muslims



Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:42 PM (wwsoB)

95 The only thing saving my sanity is that I am in The
Land of Flannel Shirts, Camo and Mud-Encrusted 4 Wheel Drives. Real Men
as far as the eye can see.... God Bless Dixie.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:39 PM (Pa+5i)

Oh, sure, rub it in . . . me, here with the fuckin' hipsters and tiny-brained and age-appropriate men who are only in the market for 20 year old pron stars and the little asian chickies. It's a wonder I manage to maintain any semblance of decorum at all, lol!!

Posted by: Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:42 PM (kpCLl)

96 PurpAv

Did you excel at Trivial Pursuit?

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (0PiQ4)

97 I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras. Md continues to add more and more of them.
Posted by: Truck Monkey


The problem with that is most states have laws that forbid obscuring the plate in any manner. It's only a hop-skip from that to a judge ruling that anything that changes it optically is verboten.

Better, just lobby your local poli-turds to remove the fuckers. They are getting bad press and end up costing more than they take in because of judges asking the city/muni to present a witness.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (08zV/)

98 If you fucking post a god damned link to muthafucking Christmas Soes, I will bust out all my hoodoo tricks and make your life an itchy, miserable hell.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (Pa+5i)

99 If possible, I will [i[never buy a Garman product.

They're currently running an AM radio ad that is quite possibly more annoying than the old dude who married a girl with a wooden leg's Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas-Time"

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (JMmQ9)

100 85 I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras. Md continues to add more and more of them. They don't call it the peoples republic of Maryland for nothing.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (jucos)


Get clear liscence plate covers and score them with your keys horizontally. They will be visible from other cars but the cameras will not be able to read them

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:44 PM (I2LwF)

101 Another difference, they were allowed to win. Coincidence?


Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (qFqga)


It almost like that Unconditional Surrender concept was a realistic strategy for success!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2012 10:44 PM (Cnqmv)

102 80 >> Hell, boy, ain't you from Mississippi? You know more than that.

Ms. Tammy, it's worse than that. I was married to a Cajun for 34 years. Yikes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:44 PM (ccXZP)

103 That's it, I am incognito for the rest of the night . . . think the NSA will be fooled?

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:44 PM (kpCLl)

104 Trophy wife? Participation trophy maybe!

She's a better woman than I deserve but she has none of the pop cultural touchstones that most people take for granted. I don't know how she never picked them up, but every day it's a new face palm moment.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (I2LwF)

105 I'm curious: Do you remember the directions?
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:39 PM (vvjTh)
---------------------------------------------------------
The GPS wanted me to run down 395 into VA to the Beltway and then over to 66. It would have taken me double the time.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (jucos)

106 Get clear liscence plate covers and score them with your keys horizontally. They will be visible from other cars but the cameras will not be able to read them
Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:44 PM (I2LwF)



or don't live in pinko states that have traffic cameras

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (2CiZb)

107 Yesterday she conflated Bill Cosby and Bob Costas.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (I2LwF)

108 Downer Christmas playlist addition

Harry Belafonte - I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvXHMimt_n0

Fucking commie wants to end the wars and feed the hungry? He's in a better position than I am, dig deep Harry. Give till it HURTS

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (wwsoB)

109 Good evening
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:02 PM (piMMO)

Hey, that's my line!

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:45 PM (LUnTP)

110 If you fucking post a god damned link to
muthafucking Christmas Soes, I will bust out all my hoodoo tricks and
make your life an itchy, miserable hell.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (Pa+5i)

what the Tamster said . . . +1000

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:46 PM (kpCLl)

111 So, uh, yeah, what NDH said.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:46 PM (LUnTP)

112 Real question: how hard is he on the house?

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:31 PM (0PiQ4)

So far, not bad. He's not damaging furniture. He likes the small and chewy. Mrs. has learned that she must put her panties 'away'. But he is not a "baby". He's 13 months. So he's "moronic", and high strung, but the boys have been running with him, on a long lead. He's decent on a leash, but not "trained" yet. But it is undeniable that he is smart, and trainable. We will all be "better". I'll keep everyone updated. We'll "field trial" after the New Year, and see if he is "Garden and Gun".

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:46 PM (mkb9H)

113 The following songs are banned from my household at Christmas:

Christmas Shoes
Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer
And So This Is Christmas
Simply Having A Wonderful Christmastime
Feliz Navidad

None of these put me in a Christmas mood, and instead make me feel like punching people.


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:47 PM (GoIUi)

114 Posted by: Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:42 PM (kpCLl)

I knew the entire time I was in LA that I was surrounded by pussies at every turn ( most of the crapweasels don't even carry pocketknives, for Christ sake) but it wasn't til I got my feet back on Sacred Ground for a good long time that I realized just how massive the waste of glorious man meat is in SoCal.

I am beginning to realize that if I had stayed here in the South, I'd have probably been a World Class Ho. It's all I can do to maintain some decorum, let me tell ya.

And they are so damned sweet, too, so helpful. Don't believe I have pumped my own gas or carried my groceries to the truck since I arrived.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:48 PM (Pa+5i)

115 They're currently running an AM radio ad that is
quite possibly more annoying than the old dude who married a girl with a
wooden leg's Simply Having a Wonderful Christmas-Time"

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM

Simpleton Having a Wonderful Christmas Time

So awful that you know Glee will cover it, like this turd

Last Christmas - Glee cast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTC63hgsiY

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:48 PM (wwsoB)

116 Another doozy from yesterday: Happy Days was that show with "The Fozzie" that had the giant spinning CDs at the end.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:48 PM (I2LwF)

117 WaPo has been losing money for years. Their online university, Kaplan, is their cash cow.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:49 PM (ccXZP)

118 Peaches and Mrs. Tammy!

My night is complete. If I had a hat on, I would take it off! A bushel and a peck, and a hug around the neck!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:49 PM (mkb9H)

119 My favorite Christmas song? Patches

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:49 PM (JMmQ9)

120 My personal faves are Eartha Kitt's "Santa Baby" and the Killers "Don't Shoot Me Santa" . . . otherwise, I am either neutral or a seething ball of hate.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (kpCLl)

121 Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:47 PM (GoIUi)

You just gave the song list for a caroling party/hay ride I went on one year. Instead of enjoying myself, I expended tremendous amounts of energy trying to be a good sport.

Came home drained and depressed.

Posted by: Mindy at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (6jLT3)

122
yoni loves lingam

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (lgELp)

123
Correction: It's only a matter of time before your beer is served warm and flat.


What beer? *wags tail*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's previous two dogs at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (yiIja)

124 98
If you fucking post a god damned link to muthafucking Christmas Soes, I
will bust out all my hoodoo tricks and make your life an itchy,
miserable hell.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM

I hate that sap tank so much I couldn't even bring it up to copy the link

Same with the rich sanctimonious Brits singing for starving Ethiopians

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (wwsoB)

125 Miss Marple, I loves me some Feliz Navidad!

All of those are fine; it's the Shoes I hate with the heat of ten thousand suns.


Someone needs to post Merry Christmas From the Family, to give you a new one to hate. It's a personal favorite; the video is a riot!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (Pa+5i)

126 Speaking of speed/red-light cameras, I saw an article the other day about some high-school kids that took a picture of the principals front-plate, printed it, and taped it on their front plate. They then proceeded to run all over town, blowing red-lights, school-zones, etc...
The principal was NOT amused...
Ain't technology grand?

Posted by: ChrisP at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (D7DVk)

127 None of these put me in a Christmas mood, and instead make me feel like punching people.


Shit, to me that is the Christmas mood.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (I2LwF)

128 Oh, excellent, they're finally putting out a properly remastered version of the original Terminator movie. I've got T2 on blu but every review of the original screams "AVOID!"

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (LUnTP)

129 How many Resident Evil movies are there? I've never even heard of Retribution.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (QupBk)

130 Came home drained and depressed.
Posted by: Mindy at December 07, 2012 10:50 PM (6jLT3)


You forgot the Schnapps, didn't ya?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (Pa+5i)

131
Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:43 PM (JMmQ9)


I have tried Magellan, Garmin, and TomTom. I almost did not try a TomTom because the name was so asinine; however, it is the most customizable of the three (at least for the vintage I tried). The TomTom let's you pick what is displayed from a menu of options, while the others were much more constrained. This may no longer be valid, but I now have two of them and both are still cranking along just fine.




My wife's used vehicle came with a factory GPS and it is a piece of crap (clunky interface and needs a $700 dealer map update), so there is now a TomTom on the windshield.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (Cnqmv)

132 Scary Christmas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WUP44PBxl0

Posted by: minometer at December 07, 2012 10:52 PM (PwwAS)

133 kb, I love the Ethiopian thing. Nostalgia, I reckon and the video is so funny to watch now. They all look like grade school kids.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:52 PM (Pa+5i)

134 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (Pa+5i)

lol

Posted by: Mindy at December 07, 2012 10:52 PM (6jLT3)

135 Feliz Navidad

None of these put me in a Christmas mood, and instead make me feel like punching people.




Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:47 PM

Der Hoff covered Feliz Navidad

I think the Border Patrol uses it to drive the illegals back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRNJa8tlsLA

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (wwsoB)

136 Actually it's good that my wife and kids are small and defenseless otherwise I could get into trouble around the holidays.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (I2LwF)

137 Killers "Don't Shoot Me Santa"

Have you heard their new one? It's supposed to be a sequel to don't shoot me Santa.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (LbRej)

138 Friday.

Thank you G-d.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (Mkhiu)

139 Miss Tammy, evenin!



Truman, personal question...why are you married?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (GEICT)

140
And they are so damned sweet, too, so helpful.
Don't believe I have pumped my own gas or carried my groceries to the
truck since I arrived.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:48 PM (Pa+5i)

If you will pick one for me (a good, sparky one who doesn't like to yammer too much), I will quit my stupid fuckin' job and bring my little sparky self and my not-good-enough-for-califuckistan money stash to where ever you are. Srsly, though, I can't stand a talky man . . . {{{{{}}}}}

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (kpCLl)

141 Any Christmas song by Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton (or as I call it, Kenny Parton and Dolly Rogers) is anathema to my ears (I hope I spelled everything right).

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (vvjTh)

142 Merry Christmas From the Family (NSFW?)

http://tinyurl.com/29658j

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (Pa+5i)

143 I saw Jose Feliciano sing Feliz Navidad at Epcot. It rocked.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at December 07, 2012 10:54 PM (lgELp)

144 85
I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak
license plates to thwart speed cameras. Md continues to add more and
more of them. They don't call it the peoples republic of Maryland for
nothing.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM (jucos)

This should work.http://tinyurl.com/b97qplq

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 07, 2012 10:54 PM (Zd/NW)

145 Nice to see everyone tonight. Gonna try to get some work done and not just lurk at AoSHQ.

My semester just ended and I need to finish posting grades.

Posted by: Mindy at December 07, 2012 10:54 PM (6jLT3)

146 Harry Knowles reviews the new Tom Cruise movie, Jack Reacher.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59895

Oh...my God...it's awful. The review, I mean. Knowles isn't a professional writer, even though he's been at it for something like 15 years, but this is...wow. But...read the comments. One of the best AICN Talkbacks EVAR!

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:54 PM (LUnTP)

147 Are you married to a trophy wife?[/]

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:41 PM (0PiQ4)

- I'm not sure what the criteria is. But I'm pretty sure teh Mrs. B. is. I done good ya'll. God does really love me! I'm more convinced today than I was Wednesday.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:54 PM (mkb9H)

148 139 Miss Tammy, evenin!



Truman, personal question...why are you married?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:53 PM (GEICT)



Honest answer: because that's what a responsible man does. He gets married and has kids and stays married and raises those kids to be better than himself.

Also, inertia

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:55 PM (I2LwF)

149 How many Resident Evil movies are there?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:51 PM (QupBk)

Too. Fucking. Many.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:55 PM (LUnTP)

150 ahem

Posted by: the barrel at December 07, 2012 10:55 PM (QupBk)

151 Hellooooooooooooooooo, Miss Tammy!

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (LUnTP)

152
The following songs are banned from my household at Christmas:

Christmas Shoes
Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer
And So This Is Christmas
Simply Having A Wonderful Christmastime
Feliz Navidad

None of these put me in a Christmas mood, and instead make me feel like punching people.


Well good. You didn't ban our version of Jingle Bells.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBhQCCyhTo

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's previous two dogs at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (yiIja)

153 That London-and-environs bomb map- holy shit! Maybe I shouldn't complain about the street sweeper missing us this week.

Posted by: t-bird at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (FcR7P)

154 Oh, yeah, Feliz Navidad, too! I could listen to that for weeks. The single best contribution Mexico has made to our formerly great, but now not worth a weak piss up a rope, country. I srsly love that song.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (kpCLl)

155 OT (seriously): when does the "gaming" thread happen? I bought an old joystick on eBay and haven't yet been able to Bing my way to program it.

Those "gaming" people, surely they'll they'll know...

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (JMmQ9)

156 "would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras"

Get a vanity plate composed of eight O's and Q's, like this:

OOQQOQOQ

Might confuse the fuckers enough to give up.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (celt+)

157 Truman, I feel ya. My beloved hubby is so smart in so many ways, but... Face palms every day that I have to smother. He can buy commodity futures, but e.g., today he called his friend's back surgery "less evasive". I know that's not a pop-culture thing, but... The good news is I have influenced him toread a lot. He didn't read before we were married, associating it with school and such, not pleasure. Reading helps!

Posted by: kalneva at December 07, 2012 10:57 PM (S+/pH)

158 Every time I hear "My Grownup Christmas List", I want to start World War III

And if it's Barbra Steisand's cover of it, I want to launch the missiles that begin Armageddon

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:57 PM (wwsoB)

159 Peaches most of 'em really are kinda quiet. Now, my kinfolk are not, but most of the locals are your basic shy country boys. Did I mention the flannel shirts? And the muscles?

My mouth is watering, sigh.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:57 PM (Pa+5i)

160 Jose Feliciano is the jackass that first "jazzed up" the national anthem. Now you can't watch a single goddamned ball game without some jerkoff murdering it.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:58 PM (I2LwF)

161 #121 Mindy, I know what you mean.

I didn't include my most-hated religious carol, "Go Tell It On The Mountain."

Yes, I know it is a spiritual and I am racist for hating it. I hate the sing-song beginning, and I REALLY hate the part that takes the last word of the stanza before the chorus and goes a complete octave swoop in one word!

When I was still a Protestant, I had a pastor who used to have that carol sung almost every week of Advent. It flat-out put me in a bad mood.

So, because I am picky about music, I am now punished by being a Catholic and listening to bad music almost every week. I figure it is that suffering with Christ thing that we Catholics admire. Oh, and we will get a large dose of "Go Tell It On the Mountain." I will be lucky to hear "Adeste Fideles." Suffering is my middle name.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 10:58 PM (GoIUi)

162 Robert! BCochran!

MINDY! Seriously, girl, Schnapps next year, in your hot cocoa. Just the bitsiest lil wee splash.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:58 PM (Pa+5i)

163 Did I mention the flannel shirts? And the muscles?


Yes, Tammy, several times now. It's bordering on cruelty to the misbegotten . . .

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (kpCLl)

164 I'd say Obama is a dirty traitor but I don't think he's ever been an American. Now, I'm not talking about where he was born so don't even go there. I'm talking about how he has never loved American, ever considered himself one of us. So, maybe I should say he is a dirty spy.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (DoZD+)

165 159 Peaches most of 'em really are kinda quiet. Now, my kinfolk are not, but most of the locals are your basic shy country boys. Did I mention the flannel shirts? And the muscles?

My mouth is watering, sigh.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:57 PM (Pa+5i)




We gotta get you a better back massager.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (GEICT)

166 Why do commenters type God as G-d? Is it strict adherence to the 2nd commandment?

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (0PiQ4)

167 Ok, here's my gun question: Why are there no .30 carbine pistols besides the Blackhawks?

Lots of .30 carbine collectors and yet no .30 carbine semi's. Only hog legs from one company. What gives?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (08zV/)

168 Okay time to help my kids to bed. See you Ladies and Gentlemen of Distinction later.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (I2LwF)

169 A new Christmas album with music sung the right way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5zGXCCDHrA

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (GULKT)

170 Take nothing less than $100M...start with $1B and negotiate down.

****

Let's hope Boehner is at NBC's table

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (piMMO)

171 "Christmas Rapping" is an abomination. When she says, "You mean, you forgot cranberries, too?" I want to eat glass.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (celt+)

172 A map will never direct you to make a turn into canal or off a cliff.

No, for that you need an old fashioned 2LT.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:00 PM (HwgHt)

173 Mariah Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" was pretty cool the first few times I heard it, but when I lived in LA, KOST FM played it 5 times on the hour every hour

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:00 PM (wwsoB)

174 TSO - Different Wings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qRoktwhWvY

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:00 PM (LUnTP)

175 There is nothing more dangerous than a butter-bar with a map and a compass.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (t866N)

176 No. 2 boy showed me this earlier today (and I hate it, but I think it's funny):
-
Christmahanakwanzika - The ultimate winter holiday combining, Christmas, Hannakuh, and Kwanza. This way no one feels "left out".

Like "Festivus".


Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (mkb9H)

177 A repeat from this morning:

Santa Baby sung the right way

http://bit.ly/U1aLMV

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (piMMO)

178 basic shy country boys. Did I mention the flannel shirts?

Ms Tammy, I don't know why but the first thing to pop into my head when I read that was Monty Python's Lumberjack song

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (LbRej)

179 Honest answer: because that's what a responsible man does. He gets
married and has kids and stays married and raises those kids to be
better than himself.



Also, inertia


Be honest: it's that plus the fact that she never needs to buy a vacuum, just a new garden hose.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (HwgHt)

180 Miss Marple, if you don't mind me asking, do you have a favorite Christmas carol? For me, "Gloria, in Excelsis Deo" lets me know how my lung strength is doing.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (vvjTh)

181 Oh, yea, I can live w/o Go Tell It. I don't hate it, but it's not Christmasy to me.

I will say that it is more enjoyable live, if you have a really good ol' choir.

LL Cool P, I can listen to that song all day! It makes me happy happy. I wish I could still dance. I could never hold still when it came on.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:02 PM (Pa+5i)

182 Colorado Alex wins the interwebz

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 07, 2012 11:02 PM (/NgNT)

183
166 Why do commenters type God as G-d? Is it strict adherence to the 2nd commandment?
Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (0PiQ4)


Its cause they're Jooooooos!!!!

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:02 PM (GULKT)

184 We gotta get you a better back massager.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (GEICT)

Yeah, that's the fuckin' problem . . . did you sustain a head injury since I saw you last, Cochran?????

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:02 PM (kpCLl)

185 #157 kalneva, my dad worked with a guy who said stuff like that all the time.

Cabinet cruisers and Sacrenard dogs.

Your hubby might have a hearing problem. Old Mr. Weimer did.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:03 PM (GoIUi)

186 a better quality vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfML2JHewAg

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:03 PM (piMMO)

187 173
Mariah Carey's "All I Want For Christmas Is You" was pretty cool the
first few times I heard it, but when I lived in LA, KOST FM played it 5
times on the hour every hour.



Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:00 PM

Ditto for Christmas Through Your Eyes by Gloria Estefan, and I love her music

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:03 PM (wwsoB)

188 "175
There is nothing more dangerous than a butter-bar with a map and a compass.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (t866N)"
That's the way I remember it.The corollary in aviation:"There's nothing more dangerous than a pilot with a Phillips screwdriver."


Posted by: ChrisP at December 07, 2012 11:04 PM (D7DVk)

189
but most of the locals are your basic shy country boys. Did I mention the flannel shirts? And the muscles?




Hubby when were dating - shy country boy, flannel shirts, blue jeans, cowboy boots, muscles. Yummy.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 07, 2012 11:04 PM (DoZD+)

190 Why are there no .30 carbine pistols besides the Blackhawks?

-------------------

There was the extremely-dangerous Kimball. Poor choice for a pistol round, with so many better alternatives.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 07, 2012 11:04 PM (celt+)

191 I love Mariah's version of Baby Please Come Home, or whatever it's called. She has quite a set of pipes, even if I don't care much for her music.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:04 PM (Pa+5i)

192 166

Why, does it bother you?

Or s it because I'm an eveeeeeel Joo?

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:04 PM (Mkhiu)

193 156"would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras"

Get a vanity plate composed of eight O's and Q's, like this:

OOQQOQOQ

Might confuse the fuckers enough to give up.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at December 07, 2012 10:56 PM (celt+)
XKCD had a strip about that...

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:05 PM (Ndmu8)

194 I'd like to say in advance, Go Navy, Beat Army!!!!!!

3 p.m. eastern, CBS.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 11:05 PM (vvjTh)

195 177
A repeat from this morning:



Santa Baby sung the right way



http://bit.ly/U1aLMV



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM

She sure looks good in that red Jessica Rabbit dress

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:05 PM (wwsoB)

196 Beatles - Christmastime Is Here Again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7O2s4I5yM

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:05 PM (LUnTP)

197 I detest Christmas music sang by modern "artists".

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (DoZD+)

198 Did you excel at Trivial Pursuit?

Never played it, but I might if I did. I'd fall flat on the celebrity and pop culture stuff though.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (xaPEC)

199 Bon Jovi - Please Come Home For Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMB4E3Xo8P4

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (LUnTP)

200 Bigfoot: Half human, half Whoopi Goldberg.

(warning: laughing at this joke may be hazardous to your health)

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (BVkEs)

201 The Twelve Days of Christmas Rant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLZR9IJqcgc

I can't think of anyone that is this into birds!

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (GULKT)

202 Peaches, he was referring to a conversation we had on an ONT last week.

Due to the preponderance of effing sweet, fine 20 year old gods wandering about in flannel shirts around here, I have had to invest in, uh, a back massager.

And I didn't spend enough.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:06 PM (Pa+5i)

203 most of the locals are your basic shy country boys. Did I mention the flannel shirts? And the muscles?

Oh, my! Go on.....

Posted by: George Takei at December 07, 2012 11:07 PM (TJJ+7)

204
So far, not bad. He's not damaging furniture. He
likes the small and chewy. Mrs. has learned that she must put her
panties 'away'. But he is not a "baby". He's 13 months. So he's
"moronic", and high strung, but the boys have been running with him, on a
long lead. He's decent on a leash, but not "trained" yet. But it is
undeniable that he is smart, and trainable. We will all be "better".
I'll keep everyone updated. We'll "field trial" after the New Year, and
see if he is "Garden and Gun".

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:46 PM (mkb9H)

Yeah. Dogs are the ones stealing all those panties. Yeah, bad dogs do that.

Posted by: Creepy Guy hanging out near the Backfire house at December 07, 2012 11:07 PM (Zd/NW)

205 When I was in high school, my chorus class would do the Hallelulah Chorus at our Christmas concert; to this day, whenever I hear it, I can still sing the bass1 parts. That, and Silent Night are my favorite Christmas songs

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 07, 2012 11:07 PM (/NgNT)

206 Santa Baby sung the right way



http://bit.ly/U1aLMV



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:01 PM (piMMO)

Good one, Niedermeyer, and a new one on me. Very nice . . . love that girl.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:07 PM (kpCLl)

207 Cheech &ersand Chong - Santa Claus And His Old Lady

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSH9ryRzHQ4

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:07 PM (LUnTP)

208 155 OT (seriously): when does the "gaming" thread happen? I bought an old joystick on eBay and haven't yet been able to Bing my way to program it.

Those "gaming" people, surely they'll they'll know...
---

The manufacturer's website should have drivers which include the ability to reprogram buttons. If not, check out JoyToKey for an easy workaround.

Posted by: Too late for finals at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (BgIBZ)

209 For our first married Christmas, I bought the wife a 4 inch tree, predecorated. It looked great on top of the non functional TV. That kept her happy for a couple of years. When she complained it was too small, I strung a homemade popcorn garland across the rabbit ears and splurged on a box of tinsel. This kept her happy for approximately o.ooo15 seconds.

Fast forward 30 years. She now has two trees, enough ornaments to make DiT jealous, and a Christmas village the size of Chicago. The village has at least 15 churches; only intense lobbying by me saw the first bar show up.

I'm now thinking about asking for the 4 inch tree back. I've got the perfect place for it -- a non functional TV.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (ccXZP)

210 184 We gotta get you a better back massager.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (GEICT)

Yeah, that's the fuckin' problem . . . did you sustain a head injury since I saw you last, Cochran?????

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:02 PM (kpCLl)



Lol. Did you Peaches? "Back massager" is a euphemism and joke from a few nights ago.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (GEICT)

211 Why are there no .30 carbine pistols besides the Blackhawks?

With shorter pistol barrel lengths, a rifle cartridge doesn't add much but flash and noise.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (xaPEC)

212 Rob Halford - O Holy Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B6Flt8Bkis

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (LUnTP)

213 Bing Crosby's original version of "I'll Be Home for Christmas" is still the one that seems to capture the quiet loneliness of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5XDm7P7nU0

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:09 PM (wwsoB)

214 Rob Halford - Christmas For Everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3y-cwoNHrI

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:09 PM (LUnTP)

215 My favorites : O Holy Night and the Hallelujah Chorus.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (DoZD+)

216 Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 10:46 PM (mkb9H)

They still far worse things than panties, let me tell ya.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (Pa+5i)

217 Why do commenters type God as G-d? Is it strict adherence to the 2nd commandment?
Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM (0PiQ4)
--------------------------------------------------------
Most Jews will type it that way as they do not believe it proper to spell out the name.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (jucos)

218 If you ever get the chance, go to an afternoon performance of Handel's Messiah at the Naval Academy Chapel. Right near the "King of Kings" part the stained glass lights up with the afternoon sun. It's incredible.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (eventually I'll think up something new) at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (vvjTh)

219 by me saw the first bar show up.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (TJJ+7)

220 #180 I have a lot of carols I like. I will give you a list, and you will see I am a traditionalist.

O Come All Ye Faithful (preferably sung by Bing Crosby)
Hark the Herald Angels Sing
The First Noel
Angels We Have heard On High
Good King Wenceslas
O Come, O Come Emanuel
O Little Town of Bethlehem

Those are all religious. If I am doing non-religious stuff, I like:

We Wish You a Merry Christmas
Jingle Bells (but not sung by dogs or cats)
The Christmas Song
Sleigh Ride
Frosty the Snowman (whom I portrayed in my kindergarten Christmas play)
Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (which came out when I was a small child and I collect reindeer because of it)

So there you go. No Christmas Shoes or Beatles crap.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:11 PM (GoIUi)

221 And here, finally, the BEST CHRISTMAS SONG EVER RECORDED!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a5fHMlb4V0

Always trust content from Robert.

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:11 PM (LUnTP)

222 The Twelve Redneck Days of Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHqCxU4SiC0

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:11 PM (GULKT)

223 And who could forget Marilyn Manson's 'Silent Night'?

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 07, 2012 11:11 PM (BVkEs)

224 Not evening bothering with the decorations this year. My heart isn't in it. I'm packing some boxes for the troops but that's it this year.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:12 PM (Mkhiu)

225 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (ccXZP)

I have three 7.5 ft trees and 4 of those sets of three of various sizes. I chose a village that only has about 6 main pieces... I could so see myself going insane with those huge ones.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (Pa+5i)

226 A Christmas Song for Robert
16 Second Stare - The Grinch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYNjdO1FMo

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (GULKT)

227 219 by me saw the first bar show up.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:10 PM (TJJ+7)


(I'll finish it this time...)

Martini's

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (TJJ+7)

228 Mpfs

Nope. I haven't seen that done elsewhere. Just curious is all. Btw, why do Jews take the 2nd commandment more seriously than faithful Catholics and Bible thumping Protestants? We don't do that. Unless we get really excited.

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (0PiQ4)

229 Ramones Christmas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y5GtaTrPHM

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:14 PM (xaPEC)

230 Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (GULKT)


\m/

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:14 PM (LUnTP)

231 L

No idea why.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:15 PM (Mkhiu)

232
Jingle Bells (but not sung by dogs or cats)

AAAAARRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's previous two dogs at December 07, 2012 11:15 PM (yiIja)

233 With shorter pistol barrel lengths, a rifle cartridge doesn't add much but flash and noise.
Posted by: @PurpAv


I think I know what you mean, but wasn't the .30 designed to be a pistol round? It's really not much bigger than a .22LR.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 11:16 PM (08zV/)

234 mpfs, I hear ya. I did have Thor put up my trees before he left in October, otherwise I doub't I'd have done anything but hang the stockings.

Because I mean ya gotta hang the stockings. I have all 12 of mine hung for the first time ever, and I am enchanted by it every night, even though they look ridiculous hanging from the industrial shelving I am using for bookcases.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:16 PM (Pa+5i)

235 Robert, Robert, Robert......

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:17 PM (Pa+5i)

236 I do not want a ghost detector, I want a moron detector.

Posted by: torabora at December 07, 2012 11:17 PM (cAONf)

237 Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 11:13 PM (0PiQ4)

Because they effing wrote it, maybe??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:17 PM (Pa+5i)

238 79
Dogs/cats will destroy carpets.


Yes. It's a losing battle. I have what is supposed to be a serious stainproof carpet. Apparently they didn't test it with dog piss.

There's really
only one floor suitable for pets - cheap linoleum. Even 1' square vinyl
is no good because the piss will seep between the seams and get into the
subflooring.


Laminate flooring is the bomb, if you have pets. I love how easily it cleans up. Looks better than linoleum, too. Tile is fine too, but $$$.

Posted by: Splunge at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (2IW5Q)

239 When I had my husband at home and not working in God-forsaken Africa, I used to host my family of 25-30 (depending on guests) and I decorated the entire house. Five trees. Dickens Christmas village. Decorated dollhouse. Miniature trees. Wreaths, centerpieces, nativities, the complete panoply.

Now that I no longer host Christmas Eve, I am down to one small tree on a table (due to the 3 dogs who like to snatch ornaments or get tangled in the cords and pull the whole thing over). I still put up the old nativity. I buy live poinsettias and greenery for the mantle, so that they can be thrown away.

I bet I have 25 plastic tubs of decorations in the basement storage room. I probably could have an auction.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (GoIUi)

240 Robert, Robert, Robert......
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:17 PM (Pa+5i)

looks left looks right

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (LUnTP)

241 She sure looks good in that red Jessica Rabbit dress


****

She's cute as a bug.

I just watched her and Carey Underwood's AI auditions on YT. Pickler was adorable and Underwood sounded incredible.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (piMMO)

242 211 Why are there no .30 carbine pistols besides the Blackhawks?

With shorter pistol barrel lengths, a rifle cartridge doesn't add much but flash and noise.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:08 PM (xaPEC)



.30 Carbine AMT AutoMagIII

http://tinyurl.com/cc6l3y6

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (TJJ+7)

243 "Back massager" is a euphemism and joke from a few nights ago.
-
"They steal far worse things than panties, let me tell ya."

- I still comment on "Soap; Sachets; and 'Miss Tammy needs a vibrator'". LOL.
-
I am literally laughing out loud.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:19 PM (mkb9H)

244 L, you are the second person that I know of in the past month to ask that question here. I do not understand why there is such a sudden spike of concern.

This link should help clarify things. http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:19 PM (t866N)

245 Heheh, Silent Night as sung by Testament's Chuck Billy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nZ5uVpi1AY

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:20 PM (LUnTP)

246 I can't keep up . . . might be the beer. If there is a God in heaven, my chicken parm will be here before Shark Tank comes on. Good to have attainable goals these days.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:20 PM (kpCLl)

247 Tammy Al-Thor has the right answer. Having Moses transcribe adds weight.

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (0PiQ4)

248 I probably could have an auction.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:18 PM (GoIUi)


Kindly let me know ahead of time! I'd love to see all your lovelies. That Dickens Village is the epitome of awesome. I have the Northwoods Village....it's all trees and it is the Cutest Thing Ever. Not to everyone's taste, however, and probably not yours!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (Pa+5i)

249 I got a car with a GPS over a year ago, I used the system two times, only because I was in a part of Boston that I hadn't been in 25 years for a dental specialist appointment. The building is hard to find, twice I took cabs to it instead of driving from work to there and back. Both times the cab drivers went past the building.

I loved the article about the man who was flying over Pearl Harbor 71 years ago and was there at the end too. HIs planes carried the bombs that ended the War in the Pacific. Great man, and he still remembers everything at almost 94.
Thanks.
Good night all,

Posted by: CarolT at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (z4WKX)

250 AAAAARRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's previous two dogs at December 07, 2012 11:15 PM



I think that's how Werewolves of London goes. Great song, not very Christmasy.

Posted by: huerfano at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (bAGA/)

251 .30 Carbine AMT AutoMagIII
http://tinyurl.com/cc6l3y6 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC


Heh. When did AMT go out of business?

Was it after the Dirty Harry flick that featured the Automag?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (08zV/)

252 Twisted Sister - Let It Snow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzruX276yF8

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (LUnTP)

253
Nope. I haven't seen that done elsewhere. Just curious is all. Btw, why do Jews take the 2nd commandment more seriously than faithful Catholics and Bible thumping Protestants? We don't do that. Unless we get really excited.

Different beliefs about the purpose of the Law.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (bqOhW)

254 Why do commenters type God as G-d? Is it strict adherence to the 2nd commandment?

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 10:59 PM


I always use doG on rare occasions...

And where if doG mentioned in the 2nd commandment? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary for the security of a free State, the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Oh, right. I see now...you said "commandment" not "amendment". My bad.

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (JMmQ9)

255 I beg your pardon, North Pole Woods village

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:22 PM (Pa+5i)

256 Some Joe Satriani Christmasy shtuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8EahBs-P58

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:22 PM (LUnTP)

257 work too much, took a short nap, what did I not see so far?


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 07, 2012 11:22 PM (2CiZb)

258 And they are so damned sweet, too, so helpful. Don't believe I have pumped my own gas or carried my groceries to the truck since I arrived.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 10:48 PM (Pa+5i)

So, uhm, Tammy, What's the tax structure like in your neck of the woods? Cost of living? How's the weather there and what are the chances of them siding with Texas if things go (further) south? Also, do they need any middle aged home-schooling fiber artists around there?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:23 PM (wbeNt)

259 And to wrap it up, cause I gotta start getting ready for woik...

Dokken - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtlACq9He1o

Good night, Miss Tammy!

Good night, ONT!

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:23 PM (LUnTP)

260 Why do commenters type God as G-d? Is it strict adherence to the 2nd commandment?

I always thought that was a Jewish thing . . . personally I go with Big Guy (always capitalized). but, hey, wtf do I know?

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:23 PM (kpCLl)

261 Anna

Really, not all that concerned. Just curious. Wondering if I was doing something wrong that might offend others.

Posted by: L is starting to think there will be no SMOD and looking for alternatives to LIB at December 07, 2012 11:23 PM (0PiQ4)

262 Goddammit...

Children of Bodom - Silent Night, Bodom Night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-bCcsXYigk

Now I'm gone!

Posted by: Robert at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (LUnTP)

263 Going to leave us any steak this time Robert?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (t866N)

264
Also, do they need any middle aged home-schooling fiber artists around there?

What is a fiber artist?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (bqOhW)

265 Miss Marple, I agree with all your choices. One modern song I like is Amy Grant's "Little Town of Bethlehem". She phrases it differently, which I usually hate, hate, hate. But I like hers. I like all of her Christmas songs, in fact.

Posted by: Kalneva at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (S+/pH)

266 Do dyslexic atheists believe in a dog?

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (BVkEs)

267 From The Huffington Post article on the mother/daughter porn duo.

The Sexxxtons do have their limits. Jessica won't do scenes with animals
and Monica wants her 19-year-old virgin brother to first have sex with
someone who isn't doing it for money before doing it on film.


That's it. Stop the world. I'll walk from here.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (HwgHt)

268 Okay, this is just so wrong in so many ways . . . I have a muthafuckin' pimple!!! At what age does one cruise that particular hell on earth?????

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (kpCLl)

269 #248 I like the Northwoods Village, too. I got started on the Dickens thing, however, so that is what I stuck with. It is set up in the rec room in the basement with a sheet over it, because it was starting to take too long to set up every year. I have probably 25 houses plus a farm, a canal, The Tower of London, and many, many figures, electric street lights, etc. plus landscape.

I told my kids they could sell it or divide it up after I am gone. But I am not moving it. LOL!


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (GoIUi)

270 CraigPoe, the question that needs to be asked then is 'Does the dog believe in them?'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (t866N)

271 Interesting discussion thread on .357 Mag vs. .30 Carbine. .30 Carbine is not a pussy round, at all.


http://tinyurl.com/a9fqnvb

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (TJJ+7)

272 What is a fiber artist?

Obsessive compulsive knitter/sewer.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (HwgHt)

273 205
When I was in high school, my chorus class would do the Hallelulah
Chorus at our Christmas concert; to this day, whenever I hear it, I can
still sing the bass1 parts.


Me too, except it was baritone. Nothing like singing a song to get its measure, and that is a great one.

We also sang something for our Hebrew fellows. I don't know Hebrew, but this is still in my mind from those days (using "cch" for a sort of sound you make with the roof of your mouth, like in L'Chaim or however you spell that):

Some of this may have deteriorated over time and is probably very inaccurate. Can someone identify it anyway?

Shalom aliecchem
Ma la hay haw shaw resh
Ma lee hee e-e-el yon!
Me-ee-ee mell ecch
Ma la cchay cchaw shaw reem
haw kaw dosh baw roo-oo-hoo-hoo

Posted by: Splunge at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (2IW5Q)

274 What is a fiber artist?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (bqOhW)

Sounds like they poop good . . .

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:26 PM (kpCLl)

275
Splunge-

I do not know the name of that song, but a firend of mine's grandmother used to sing that song all the time, whenever she was rocking his little sister. The way she sang it was so beautiful, even after 30+ years I can hear her sing it.

Posted by: DaveinNC at December 07, 2012 11:28 PM (/NgNT)

276 Do dyslexic atheists believe in a dog?
Posted by: CraigPoe at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM


thx for 'gettin' it

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 07, 2012 11:29 PM (JMmQ9)

277 251 .30 Carbine AMT AutoMagIII
http://tinyurl.com/cc6l3y6 Posted by: 98ZJUSMC

Heh. When did AMT go out of business?

Was it after the Dirty Harry flick that featured the Automag?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 07, 2012 11:21 PM (08zV/)


I remember reading about it, but I can't remember the particulars. Late 90's or something. Lawfared out of business.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:29 PM (TJJ+7)

278 What is a fiber artist?
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:24 PM (bqOhW)

It's faster than saying spinner, knitter, crocheter, weaver, tatter, lace-maker, and teacher of any or all of the above.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:29 PM (wbeNt)

279 Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!

Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!


(sung to the tune of Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:30 PM (1OZSU)

280 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:23 PM (wbeNt)

Well, cost of living is low, because everyone is piss poor and there are not a lot of jobs. Arkansas is usually always second poorest state in the country, next to Mississippi.

They do tax the hell out of everything, but it is still very reasonable. I think we pay about 150 dollars a YEAR for our house and twelve acres.

I am not sure what the income tax is, because I am not working. They are one of the states that is pay as you go, they have a balanced budget law.

There is actually a fairly thriving artisan population in various areas like Eureka Springs and Fayetteville and around Little Rock, but in those areas, things are more expensive.

I see the staste splintering...my neck fo the woods ( up north in the Ozarks) would easily go Texas or possibly southern MO...very feisty up here. The Flatlanders and Delta folk are more likely to identify with MS/TN and possibly LA. Fair amount of Yellow Dog Dems in those areas, but they'd still stay Southern.



Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:31 PM (Pa+5i)

281 OMFG, people ordered iPads from Best Buy and Best Buy fucked up and sent them FIVE iPads and Best Buy is sayin', oh, our bad, just keep them!!!! Story on Yahoo. That is just plain crazy!

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:31 PM (kpCLl)

282 L, okay. If you were offending anyone I think they would have told you by now.

Words have meanings and impacts. Remember in Egypt, one way to destroy the deceased was to erase their name from everything. Which is why Pharaohs put their name cartouche in secret places. Without a name they are doomed to wander forever. So archeologists by identifying the mummies are doing the deceased a great service, restoring the Afterlife to them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:31 PM (t866N)

283 Laminate flooring is the bomb, if you have pets.

The "easy" snap together stuff still leaves the seams vulnerable to liquids. The glued seam stuff could probably tolerate long term exposure though.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:31 PM (xaPEC)

284 Obsessive compulsive knitter/sewer.
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (HwgHt)

Lol, yeah John used to say I had a "Three skein a month habit." I figure if I have to be compulsive about something, at least there's an occasional finished product to show for it.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:32 PM (wbeNt)

285 Broncos are goin' to the Super Bowl!

Bring it!

Posted by: Tom Fuckin' Brady at December 07, 2012 11:32 PM (kpCLl)

286 Thanks for listening to my Christmas ranting, folks.

I now must head to bed. I have to go to church twice this weekend, because tomorrow is a Holy Day of Obligation and then I have to go on Sunday.

And next week is the mass for Our lady of Guadalupe.

So I am glad I got most of my shopping done on the internet.

Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 07, 2012 11:32 PM (GoIUi)

287 It's faster than saying spinner, knitter, crocheter, weaver, tatter, lace-maker, and teacher of any or all of the above.Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:29 PM (wbeNt)I see. My mom, who used to homeschool before we all grew up, is a drawing-and-painting-typeartist, so the phrase caught my attention.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (bqOhW)

288 Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:26 PM (kpCLl)

Meanie! ;-)

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (wbeNt)

289 Although I hate her politics, my Mom put me on this Barbra, early. And I still love it, and all that late 60's Christmas Vinyl (and, that's why the Mrs. says I'm Ghey. That and I love Julie Andrews...)!

Unapologetically:

The Christmas Song - by Babs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfWLX40OCi8

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (mkb9H)

290 Night Miss Marple!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (Pa+5i)

291 Peaches. Five iPads and keep them? Dang, well wonder how many iPads will flood eBay now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (t866N)

292 Mitchell's "Blue" album came in #14 on VH1's millenium list of top albums. (#1 was "Revolver.") Here's my personal favorite off "Blue," with one of the best lines ever written:

Oh, I could drink a case of you, darlin', and I would still be on my feet.
I would still be on my feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YuaZcylk_o

Posted by: Enby at December 07, 2012 11:34 PM (ptlfZ)

293 What is a fiber artist?

These days, its probably someone who's media is bowel movements...

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:34 PM (xaPEC)

294 Mrs. Muldoon tells me that the philosophical basis of the entitlement society is "I want, therefore I get!"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:34 PM (1OZSU)

295 Fiber artist, well that could describe Barry and Michelle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:35 PM (t866N)

296 At what age does one cruise that particular hell on earth?????
Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:25 PM (kpCLl)

Please tell me when you have the answer.

I think you and I must be living a parallel existence. If I didn't know better, I'd swear something bit my neck last night. Two huge horrors, a perfect fang distance apart. I feel like a fucking teenager, and NOT in a good way. I don't know where the hell this came from.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:35 PM (Pa+5i)

297 Adeste Fiddles sung by Nat King Cole.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:35 PM (Mkhiu)

298 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:31 PM (Pa+5i)

Thanks Tammy. Do you know anything about the homeschooling situation there? I know it's not likely you would, but figured I'd ask just in case.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:36 PM (wbeNt)

299 Night Miss Marple. Me too, beddy-bye. Nighty night, good people. Have a wonderful weekend!

Posted by: kalneva at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (S+/pH)

300 I think you and I must be living a parallel existence. If I didn't know better, I'd swear something bit my neck last night. Two huge horrors, a perfect fang distance apart. I feel like a fucking teenager, and NOT in a good way. I don't know where the hell this came from.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:35 PM (Pa+5i)
Stress?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (bqOhW)

301 Polli, how are things going?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (t866N)

302 Two huge horrors, a perfect fang distance apart. I feel like a fucking
teenager, and NOT in a good way. I don't know where the hell this came
from.


*slurp*

Posted by: A flannel wearing vampire at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (HwgHt)

303 Oh, I could drink a case of you, darlin', and I would still be on my feet.
I would still be on my feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YuaZcylk_o


Posted by: Enby at December 07, 2012 11:34 PM (ptlfZ)

You are a hopeless romantic. Let us know how that works out for you.
P.S. I recommend Raised on Robbery for the New World Order.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (kpCLl)

304 LOTS of homeschoolers, Polli. I am ignorant of the details, but it's very common here.

I had a lady and her 5 homeschooled kids come gather all my pecans and black walnuts last month!

There is a sizeable Mennonite population in my area, and of course they homeschool, sort of.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (Pa+5i)

305 So, arriving late to the ONT, what did I miss? Any trolls? Flame wars? Drunken rampages? Anybody as mad as hell? Any thoughtful expositions of the finer aspects of political campaigning? Pointy elbows?




Any good fart jokes?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:39 PM (1OZSU)

306 Posted by: A flannel wearing vampire at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (HwgHt)

Damn, I wish. I am Team Edward, all the way.

Been dancin' lately? I miss it so.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:39 PM (Pa+5i)

307 I Hate auto correct.

Adeste Fideles

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (Mkhiu)

308 "..work too much, took a short nap, what did I not see so far?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 07, 2012 11:22 PM (2CiZb)

'sup Jake. New dog is good. Star Wars/Star Trek geekiness. Funky Christmas tunes. Friday mayhem...

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Didn't you go hunting, for wolves, with a K-Bar? How'd that go?

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (mkb9H)

309 Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:33 PM (bqOhW)

I've done some drawing and painting as well, but don't practice enough to be very good at it. It's one of the reasons I *don't* want over-arching government funding for the arts since such money usually goes to graphic and dramatic art productions and I'm at best a third-rate graphic artist. I'd much rather the government took out less in taxes so people can buy my awesome scarves, shawls, etc.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (wbeNt)

310 Night, kalneva!


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (Pa+5i)

311
Any good fart jokes?

---

Those can be deadly.

Posted by: CraigPoe at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (BVkEs)

312 Or do I have to actually go back and read 250 comments?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (1OZSU)

313 If you ever want to make people nervous, get on a full elevator and face the rear, without saying a word!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (1OZSU)

314 You are a hopeless romantic. Let us know how that works out for you.
P.S. I recommend Raised on Robbery for the New World Order.


Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (kpCLl)
Well hell's bells, somebody was going on about "River" way upthread, off that same album. Anyway, different moods for different moments, no?

Posted by: Enby at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (ptlfZ)

315 Stress?
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (bqOhW)


Possibly, though I think I'm depressed more than stressed. I am inclined to blame my hormones.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (Pa+5i)

316 Does anyone else miss the old 15-minute USGS topo maps? That was my favorite scale. Sure, the 7.5 minute maps show more detail, and they are indispensable, but the 15- min. maps were just the right size to get an overview of the terrain. Happily they can be downloaded for free from the usgs.gov website. So can a wide variety of other historic USGS maps, and the latest satellite revised maps too. But there's just no substitute for the dead tree version that you can take with you wherever you go, and doesn't need batteries.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (NBfwn)

317 I'm off to the evil Walmart. I need caffeine, vitamins, some diet Mt Dew, and lunch meat and a new countersink bit for my drill.

The people that bitch about WMT knocking out the "little guy" never mention that WMT actually allows you to buy food and power tools in the same place, because little grocery stores never offered food, power tools, and maybe an internet router...

...AND do it in the middle of the night when there's less maniacs on the road trying to kill you.

Fewer trips is greener, right? Green is good, right? What am I missing?

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (xaPEC)

318 Tammy al-Thor

My in laws retired to Cherokee Village AR. Sister in law lives in Mountain Home, nephews in Fayetteville and Jonesboro.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:42 PM (Mkhiu)

319 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (wbeNt


Do you do etsy?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:42 PM (Pa+5i)

320 313
If you ever want to make people nervous, get on a full elevator and face the rear, without saying a word!


Farting works in that situation too. Well, it makes people not so much nervous as filled with rage at you, personally. But close enough.

Posted by: Splunge at December 07, 2012 11:42 PM (2IW5Q)

321 Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:42 PM (Mkhiu)

Well, hell's bells, I think I am about 30 miles west of CV and I do all my grocery shopping, etc in Mountain Home!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:43 PM (Pa+5i)

322 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (xaPEC)

WMT is successful; therefore, they are evil.

Posted by: Mindy at December 07, 2012 11:43 PM (6jLT3)

323
Been dancin' lately? I miss it so.


In fact, I had a private waltz lesson this afternoon. The instructor also put me in the right direction to swing dancing, tango and even a point of contact for contra dancing here in Colorado Springs.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:43 PM (HwgHt)

324
OK y'all, we're outa here. Bones to chew, Christmas ornaments to break, panties to steal, and stuff like that there. We'd like to leave you with our favorite Zappa tune:http://tinyurl.com/bun9uf7

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy's previous two dogs at December 07, 2012 11:44 PM (yiIja)

325 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (t866N)

Well, it certainly could be worse (although I'm glad it's not). The girls are dancing "Mayim, Mayim" at a funeral tomorrow. I know that sounds strange, but the lady who died asked specifically that they would dance a traditional Jewish dance at what the AoG calls a "home-going celebration".

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:44 PM (wbeNt)

326 317
Fewer trips is greener, right? Green is good, right? What am I missing?


Green sucks. Other than that, right on. Being able to buy power tools and meat in the same place is a sign of advancing civilization. Especially chainsaws and bacon.

Posted by: Splunge at December 07, 2012 11:44 PM (2IW5Q)

327 @320- My F-I-L claimed to be a "buttriloquist", able to project his gas to the other side of a room so that someone else would bear the blame. I'm not sure if I believed him...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:44 PM (1OZSU)

328 Two huge horrors, a perfect fang distance apart. I feel like a fucking
teenager, and NOT in a good way. I don't know where the hell this came
from.


Spider bites? My bro's wife has a massive infection that's gonna cost her the lower part of a leg, and its been blamed on a spider bite.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (xaPEC)

329 Grrrrrrrr . . .

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (kpCLl)

330 327
@320- My F-I-L claimed to be a "buttriloquist", able to project his gas
to the other side of a room so that someone else would bear the blame.
I'm not sure if I believed him...


Concealed butt trumpet. Old trick. Before video games, people were starved for entertainment.

Posted by: Splunge at December 07, 2012 11:46 PM (2IW5Q)

331 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:42 PM (Pa+5i)

I have an etsy site set-up but need to get pictures so I can actually list items for sell.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:46 PM (wbeNt)

332 Time To Euthanize Detroit?
More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=710

In the movie “Revenge of the Nerds,” one of the nerds asked an interesting question: “Would you rather live in the ascendancy of a civilization or during its decline?” Alas, those who remain in Detroit know very well what the later is like.

A Detroit councilwoman has declared that since Detroit voted for Obama, he is supposed to bail out the city.

Video: http://bit.ly/TPYDhH

Aside from the fact that this is just an explicit and vocal declaration of how a welfare state with a large dependent population works, this is also an example of what happens when you run out of other people’s money: Decay on the order not seen since the fall of the Western Roman Empire. In his “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” Edward Gibbons described what became of Rome after the Western Empire fell:

“Survey the other hills of the city, the vacant space is interrupted only by ruins and gardens. The forum of the Roman people, where they assembled to enact their laws and elect their magistrates, is now enclosed for the cultivation of pot-herbs, or thrown open for the reception of swine and buffaloes. The public and private edifices, that were founded for eternity, lie prostrate, naked, and broken, like the limbs of a mighty giant; and the ruin is the more visible, from the stupendous relics that have survived the injuries of time and fortune.”

The comparison of this description of post-Empire Rome with Detroit is not hyperbole. If anything, Detroit is worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

Images of decay and disintegration can be seen here (http://bit.ly/U1gORK) and here (http://bit.ly/U1gVwI). For a particularly striking contrast, compare Hiroshima and Detroit, both after WWII, and today (http://bit.ly/U1h1nX); it is enough hope for Detroit to be nuked from orbit…

Things in Detroit have gotten so bad, that the state of Michigan is considering abolishing the city as an entity entirely; essentially, this would be euthanasia their local government.

Perhaps it would have been best if we had just listened to, and accepted the offer of, Omni-Consumer Products:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_P8CaNwro

Despite the insane and drug-addicted giant cyborg, it’d still be more peaceful and safe then Detroit is now…

This will not end well…

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 07, 2012 11:46 PM (sZTYJ)

333 Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 07, 2012 11:43 PM (HwgHt)

I am so jealous. I am beyond grateful tot be able to walk again, but I miss dancing so much it makes me ache sometimes.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:47 PM (Pa+5i)

334 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (xaPEC)

That's pretty much what happened to Kalneva a few months ago. I wonder if she has any advice on the subject.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:48 PM (wbeNt)

335 Tammy

After my mother in law passed my father in law moved to Mountain Home. I swear when it got dark in CV it was oh-dark-30. First time I visited them I couldn't find a newspaper to save my life. I could not believe the cooked everything in lard and fried it to within an inch of its life!

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:48 PM (Mkhiu)

336 re: "She's a better woman than I deserve but she has none of the pop cultural touchstones that most people take for granted. I don't know how she never picked them up, but every day it's a new face palm moment."

Charmed life. Imagine how weird and awesome modern comedy would seem if all the not-funny giggle-of-recognition referentiality it relies on was just surreal nonsense to you. Everything would be like if Rick Shapiro made it.

(Rick Shapiro is a legendary but not famous comedian whose bits are mostly improvised streams of hollered bile and nonsense and snob references that only other comedian/know-it-all/assholes enjoy--like if Dennis Miller was a coked out psycho with no jokes, but still really funny.)

Posted by: oblig. at December 07, 2012 11:48 PM (cePv8)

337 Spider bites? My bro's wife has a massive infection
that's gonna cost her the lower part of a leg, and its been blamed on a
spider bite.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (xaPEC)

Fuck, Purp, that is horrible. Will say some prayers for her tonight. Damn.

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:49 PM (kpCLl)

338 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (xaPEC)

Nah, just plain old monster zits. Made even more attractive by my cadaver skin and red hair. I am NOT leaving the house til they're gone.

I fear the Flannel Shirt gods would no longer want to carry my groceries for me if they saw me now.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:49 PM (Pa+5i)

339 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:37 PM (t866N)

Oops, forgot to ask how you were doing while answering before. I know you were sick for awhile, is it going better now?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:49 PM (wbeNt)

340 Polli, YES you need pictures!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:50 PM (Pa+5i)

341 38 A WaPo paywall won't generate much revenue, it will only lose eyeballs. They're in a death spiral.
-
And that's a good thing.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 07, 2012 11:50 PM (Z6flO)

342
-
Didn't you go hunting, for wolves, with a K-Bar? How'd that go?
Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:40 PM (mkb9H)

after much pondering I decided to go wolf hunting with a rock about the size of a soccer ball.

seriously though, I found out today where the hunt is and is is less than an hour from Sun Valley


Posted by: Jake in ID at December 07, 2012 11:51 PM (2CiZb)

343 Dr. Strange JP- I just got my introduction to Trimble's buy out of Tekla, for the BIM 3D modeling, this week.

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Mapping-shmapping. As long as there is power, the model can show all. As much as it is "built". Download to the robotic data collector, and very little error, other than SiSo. A flunky can run the rod. Hard to "F" it up. We are around the corner from modeling every little piece and corner.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:51 PM (mkb9H)

344 Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:48 PM (Mkhiu)

Oh hell yeah, honey, we get pitch black out here in the woods. I still can't drive here at night. I mean, I can, but I don't like to. I can't figure out how to turn the brights on in my truck!

I love lard. Nothing beats it for frying chicken and flavoring beans.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:51 PM (Pa+5i)

345 306 Posted by: A flannel wearing vampire at December 07, 2012 11:38 PM (HwgHt)

Damn, I wish. I am Team Edward, all the way.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:39 PM (Pa+5i)



No. No, no, no, no. Vampires. Do. Not. Fucking. Sparkle.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 11:52 PM (GEICT)

346 Brown recluse spider bites can be brutally destructive. The toxin gets into the layers beneath the skin and causes extensive death of previously healthy tissue. That then is a fertile breeding place for bacteria. Don't mess around. If you have a spider bite that is spreading at all, get medical attention.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:52 PM (1OZSU)

347 Sorry to hear about that. Sounds like both meant a lot to each other for her to ask that. Hope things get better for you and the girls.

Just lost a friend from work. He had retired a few years ago and just started on what was his forever project, a 1958 Thunderbird. But the cancer got to him.

As for me, I am recovering from the flu. Ugh. Now down to merely trying to cough up a lung. Take Ra in to vet in morning. Today he has been showing almost no appetite and lethargy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:53 PM (t866N)

348 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 11:52 PM (GEICT)

Agreed, but between Edward and Jacob there is just no contest.

Personally, I think Jasper would have been my downfall, though I am sure Emmett would look the best in a flannel shirt.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:54 PM (Pa+5i)

349 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 07, 2012 11:54 PM (kaalw)

350 I would pay BIG money to the person that invents a device to cloak license plates to thwart speed cameras.





As I recall, there was an infamous incident here in my beloved Clownifornia where a guy used to keep a gorilla mask in the front seat. All of the traffic in his subdivision went through a single camera-monitored intersection. He'd don the mask before blowing through the yellow light, and when the inevitable ticket came down, he claimed that he wasn't driving. Since his face was obscured, the story is that he was able to continually skate on the tickets, because the DA could never prove that he was actually driving, only that he owned the car.

'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Rhie+)

351 Tammy

No friggin' sidewalks or street lights!

I actually saw a real live "hill" woman who had a beard in the local Wal Mart. Stunned is thee word. Remember I'm an East Coast gal who has lived in California and Nevada for he last 32 years. What a culture shock!

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Mkhiu)

352 348 Agreed, but between Edward and Jacob there is just no contest.

Personally, I think Jasper would have been my downfall, though I am sure Emmett would look the best in a flannel shirt.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:54 PM (Pa+5i)



*facepalm*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 11:55 PM (GEICT)

353 Oh hell yeah, honey, we get pitch black out here in the woods. I still can't drive here at night. I mean, I can, but I don't like to. I can't figure out how to turn the brights on in my truck!

Usually you just pull the turn signal towards you to turn on the brights. However my parents have a chevy malibu that you actually push the turn signal towards the dash to turn on the brights. Oh and I really hate it when they do shit like that. Activating your brights should be standardized because it should be a natural action while driving that you don't have to think about how to do it.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (GULKT)

354 cthulu! ITC!

mpfs, did she smoke a pipe?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (Pa+5i)

355 349 Aloha!
Posted by: cthulhu at December 07, 2012 11:54 PM (kaalw)

*****

Gesundheit!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (1OZSU)

356 You are on the prayer list now, too, Anna Puma. And my deepest condolences on the loss of your friend.

I had the cough thing for over 6 weeks. Z-pack did nothing. A week of augmentin let me live, but 3 weeks later, I am still deep coughing. Just, don't let 'em slough you off with bullshit antibiotics, insist on the real deal. And good luck at the vet. You need hugs . . .

{{{{{{}}}}}}

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (kpCLl)

357 No. No, no, no, no. Vampires. Do. Not. Fucking. Sparkle.

Well, they do for a little bit while they're disintegrating.

Posted by: B Summers at December 07, 2012 11:57 PM (hO9ad)

358 I actually saw a real live "hill" woman who had a beard in the local Wal Mart. Stunned is thee word. Remember I'm an East Coast gal who has lived in California and Nevada for he last 32 years. What a culture shock!
Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:55 PM (Mkhiu)

*****

My theory is that anywhere there are hills, there will be billies!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 07, 2012 11:57 PM (1OZSU)

359 Tammy

I think she had "a" tooth.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:57 PM (Mkhiu)

360 BCochran, you just keep your palms where they belong now. I read them with my nieces. (The books, not your palms) I enjoyed the hell out of them, sparkles aside. Well, the 2nd book sucked, but I really did enjoy them. You have to remember the audience she was writing for!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:58 PM (Pa+5i)

361 Well I really don't feel like I got hit that badly Peaches. I started to fall ill on Monday afternoon and now I am pretty much recovered. Save the gunk in the lungs. But thank you so much. Save the horsepower for Bebes and others who really need it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 11:58 PM (t866N)

362 Not that it is an actual Christmas song, but this one came out around Christmas back when I was working in radio. Nothing puts you in the Christmas suicide mood like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGhwz0VZR8U


17 years in radio has made me very anti Christmas music.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 07, 2012 11:59 PM (Zd/NW)

363 Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (GULKT)

Yea, I have done all that. My windshield is very clean, but still no brights. I keep forgetting to ask Thor.

And I agree...should be standard. I am old enough to remember when they were on the floor!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:59 PM (Pa+5i)

364 @343: Quote, "Mapping-shmapping. As long as there is power, the
model can show all. As much as it is "built". Download to the robotic
data collector, and very little error, other than SiSo. A flunky can run
the rod. Hard to "F" it up. We are around the corner from modeling
every little piece and corner.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 07, 2012 11:51 PM (mkb9H) "
Unquote. Goodness gracious, I don't think I understood any of that except for the odd "power" and "model" and the like. Care to explain to a dinosaur?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:00 AM (NBfwn)

365 That lung thing going around is fierce.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:00 AM (Pa+5i)

366 I love Christmas music and detest the dreck they play on the radio. I have a little Christmas tradition on facebook where I post the songs I'd play if I were Empress of the Airwaves.

Here are a few:

From New Orleans Party Asylum http://tinyurl.com/abzgrvc

From the Basily Boys
http://tinyurl.com/9wmagkg

From the Mills Brothers
http://tinyurl.com/bxkj86t

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at December 08, 2012 12:01 AM (53riN)

367 Yea, I have done all that. My windshield is very clean, but still no brights. I keep forgetting to ask Thor. And I agree...should be standard. I am old enough to remember when they were on the floor!
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:59 PM (Pa+5i)


Try and get them to work during the day.

Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:01 AM (GULKT)

368 Two weeks till Doomsday

Nothing going on that indicates a supervolcano or comet

Maybe 12/21/12 was 11/6/12 on the Mayan Calendar

Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 12:01 AM (wwsoB)

369 My husband had the lung goop since turkey day. Just now getting over it. I'm finally getting over it after ten days or so. Its spreading like wildfire.

Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 12:01 AM (Mkhiu)

370 Tammy, I guess your car is a modern contraption then. Not too many remember the switch on the floor that is for sure. Fuses? Can't be both bulbs. Unless you are driving something funky like a Citroen 2VCC then I have no idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 12:01 AM (t866N)

371 Of course if you give the make model and year of the truck someone here might know how to turn them on for you too.

Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:02 AM (GULKT)

372 I think she had "a" tooth.
Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 11:57 PM (Mkhiu)


Definitely NOT a lot of teeth in these here parts. No money for dental care. Not as bad as my Daddy's people in WV/KY, where I really do think there is some kind of genetic issue with bad enamel.

Heck, most poor white Southerners are overwhelmingly of some sort of British descent and we all know how great those teeth genes are.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:02 AM (Pa+5i)

373 Activating your brights should be standardized
because it should be a natural action while driving that you don't have
to think about how to do it.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 11:56 PM (GULKT)
I sold cars for a "living" for a couple of years, first Honda then Nissan. Honda was standardized across the entire product line on the operation of everything. Nissan, with a much larger line, had five or six different control locations or methods of operation for every damned thing. I spent fifteen minutes at the gas station trying to figure out how to open the fricking gas door on a Murano. Turned out you had to press it and it would pop open. I can't even imagine how much money Nissan wastes on design and inventory for all that crap.

Posted by: Enby at December 08, 2012 12:03 AM (ptlfZ)

374 360 BCochran, you just keep your palms where they belong now. I read them with my nieces. (The books, not your palms) I enjoyed the hell out of them, sparkles aside. Well, the 2nd book sucked, but I really did enjoy them. You have to remember the audience she was writing for!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:58 PM (Pa+5i)




I read them. I've read better and worse. The end of the first, beginning of the second is so teenage girlie angst that I wanted to puke, but other than that, well written books.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:03 AM (GEICT)

375 Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:02 AM (GULKT)

Buzz, come on, I'm female, no way it'll occur to me to do something as logical as that!

Anna, it's modern for me! My old truck is a 1987, but this one is a 2006 Ford Ranger Sport.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:04 AM (Pa+5i)

376
374 360 BCochran, you just keep your palms where they belong now. I read them with my nieces. (The books, not your palms) I enjoyed the hell out of them, sparkles aside. Well, the 2nd book sucked, but I really did enjoy them. You have to remember the audience she was writing for! Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 07, 2012 11:58 PM (Pa+5i) I read them. I've read better and worse. The end of the first, beginning of the second is so teenage girlie angst that I wanted to puke, but other than that, well written books.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:03 AM (GEICT)


The only good things about the movies are the Spoony Experiments rants about the final two movies.

"Its not a Saga! Its about a horny chick that wants to fuck a vampire!"

Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:05 AM (GULKT)

377
Does anyone else miss the old 15-minute USGS topo maps? That was my favorite scale. Sure, the 7.5 minute maps show more detail, and they are indispensable, but the 15- min. maps were just the right size to get an overview of the terrain. Happily they can be downloaded for free from the usgs.gov website. So can a wide variety of other historic USGS maps, and the latest satellite revised maps too. But there's just no substitute for the dead tree version that you can take with you wherever you go, and doesn't need batteries.
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 07, 2012 11:41 PM (NBfwn)






I still prefer the 1:50k military maps that I used over 20 years ago in my Army days. A 1:50k, lensatic compass, a mil protractor and a LOT of practice will get you near GPS-level accuracy, although much, much slower.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 08, 2012 12:05 AM (Rhie+)

378 "...I found out today where the hunt is and is is less than an hour from Sun Valley...

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 07, 2012 11:51 PM (2CiZb)

I just want to come out and hook up for the alpine at Schweitzer. That's our thing. And we'll bypass Sun Valley. Thanks. We don't need nightlife, just steep-and-deep off of Pend Orielle, or Little Blue on the back, in early March.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 12:05 AM (mkb9H)

379 377

Showoff.

Posted by: mpfs at December 08, 2012 12:06 AM (Mkhiu)

380 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:03 AM (GEICT)

EXACTLY! I am not sure they're even that well written per se, but it's a good story. (Sparkles and such aside) The movies, though, Jeez. I barely made it through the 1 st one and went no further.

I also like the Sookie Stackhouse books, also read with said nieces. Those are kinda fun.

Were you the one who suggested Ilona ANdrews, by any chance?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:07 AM (Pa+5i)

381 Here Comes Carbon: 1910- http://bit.ly/QOzRlf
"Cleveland circa 1910. 'Freighter W.W. Brown taking on coal.' 8x10 inch dry plate glass negative, Detroit Publishing Company."

Chilly Chapel: 1936- http://bit.ly/XAUILZ
"February 1936. 'Church at Lancaster, New Hampshire.' Medium-format negative by Arthur Rothstein for the Resettlement Administration."

Interstate Building: 1921- http://bit.ly/YWLGt8
"Washington, D.C., 1921. 'Interstate Building, F Street N.W.' Sharing the sidewalk with the Young Men's Shop, Losekam's Cafe and a smattering of spectral pedestrians. National Photo Company Collection glass negative."

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 08, 2012 12:07 AM (YjDyJ)

382 Does anyone else miss the old 15-minute USGS topo maps?

Miss? Did they quit making them? We always used those for backpacking.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (LbRej)

383 Presented without comment

CBO: Deficit for first 2 months of FY13 was $292 billion. That’s nearly 3/4 what Obama proposes to cut in entitlements over next *decade*.

— Byron York (@ByronYork)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (ccXZP)

384 Were you the one who suggested Ilona ANdrews, by any chance?


Was not I. Name sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't know who that is.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (GEICT)

385
That lung thing going around is fierce.

No shit . . .

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (kpCLl)

386 Song is a Christmas downer, but it's still a fantastic classic rock favorite

Greg Lake - I Believe in Father Christmas

http://tinyurl.com/a28orsq

Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (wwsoB)

387 Beebe! How are you?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (Pa+5i)

388 Well I guess I will be skipping the 'glory,' aka the torture, of watching all three Lord of the Ring extended edition movies this weekend. Probably a bad idea, while recovering, to sit that long in a cinema with a lot of LOTR fanatics.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 12:10 AM (t866N)

389 329 Grrrrrrrr . . .

Posted by: LL Cool Peaches at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (kpCLl)

Less growling. More wagging? It's not for me to say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q12VAfINDE

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 12:12 AM (mkb9H)

390 Name sounds vaguely familiar, but I don't know who that is.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (GEICT)


Oh, you need to read them. A husband and wife team write them. The two main series are The Edge and Kate Daniels. There is always a love story in the background, but they're never sappy and it's mostly about people fighting various monsters and supernatural critters. I don't think they're considered YA, but that's what I consider them. Just fun stuff.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:12 AM (Pa+5i)

391 Speaking of Motown;

Survey: Detroit Most Dangerous U.S. City ForGays

http://tinyurl.com/clpv38p

Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 12:12 AM (wwsoB)

392 Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 11:45 PM (xaPEC) That's pretty much what happened to Kalneva a few months ago. I wonder if she has any advice on the subject.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 07, 2012 11:48 PM (wbeNt)

That is so weird that I popped back in. Can't sleep. Anyhoo, yes, that is perzactly what happened to me, except I didn't lose my lower leg, but I really thought I might have. Antibiotics, and sulpha, and more antibiotics. It luckily freaked me out enough that I went to the ER, which is very much against my nature. That's what fucks people up, in these situations, is they think it will get better. I do remember that the horde was quite helpful in kicking my butt to do it, too. So grateful.

What is happening with your SIL, Purp?

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:13 AM (S+/pH)

393 No. No, no, no, no. Vampires. Do. Not. Fucking. Sparkle.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 11:52 PM (GEICT)


Exactly.

Posted by: Count Orlock at December 08, 2012 12:13 AM (sZTYJ)

394 388 Well I guess I will be skipping the 'glory,' aka the torture, of watching all three Lord of the Ring extended edition movies this weekend. Probably a bad idea, while recovering, to sit that long in a cinema with a lot of LOTR fanatics.



Hence why I asked for the blurays last Christmas.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:15 AM (GEICT)

395 Who do teh gheys blame for Detroit being so unfriendly for them?

Muzzies? Gangbangers?

Nope, the EEEEEVVVVILLL Rethuglikkkans in the state legislature

Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 12:15 AM (wwsoB)

396
Definitely NOT a lot of teeth in these here
parts. No money for dental care. Not as bad as my Daddy's people in
WV/KY, where I really do think there is some kind of genetic issue with
bad enamel.



Heck, most poor white Southerners are overwhelmingly of some sort of
British descent and we all know how great those teeth genes are.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:02 AM (Pa+5i)

Here in western Virginia there are medical "fairs" throughout the region several times a year done by local doctors, dentists, and optometrists. Those greedy bastards spend weekends giving away their time to help these people for no cost, then they turn around and get some of their suppliers to donate products to help these people like lenses, dentures, and medications.
Still doesn't even put a dent in the problem.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 12:16 AM (Zd/NW)

397 Well, given that Oklahoma didn't have any counties go for Obama, I suspect that I might make a trip to my birthplace should anything happen to my boyfriend. We're paying $3500 in property taxes for a not so fancy suburban house. I keep telling him that we'd be a lot better off in a place with a lower cost of living.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 08, 2012 12:18 AM (uPhCY)

398 Remember when the "bright" switch was a button on the floor? Hoo, boy, am I ever old.

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:18 AM (S+/pH)

399 Still doesn't even put a dent in the problem.
Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 12:16 AM (Zd/NW)

I honestly think there is a gene for enamel and many of those in Appalachia didn't get it it. The common belief is that well water is the culprit, but some of it has got to be genetic. And the issue far predates Mt Dew, which is also blamed for it, and no doubt adds to it, but I think were so few other groups to breed with for so long that the bad tooth gene got deeply embedded

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:20 AM (Pa+5i)

400 How does a vampire get a boner?

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 12:20 AM (I2LwF)

401 Well I've managed to atleast partially annoy the wife. Apparently, sending sexually harassing text messages, from the other end of the couch, is frowned upon. I don't see the problem with it.

Women.


*grumble*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:21 AM (GEICT)

402 Ms Tammy! I'm meh. Funeral was yesterday. I'm wiped out, feel crappy. Gushie says the adrenaline is wearing off. Hope I don't catch any of the crud everybody is getting over. Estate fun starts Monday, and I have to declutter an entire floor to find flashlights, etc because my sister shoved all the crap in one room to have people over.

I saw you have to stay back there for Christmas. Why don't you come out for New Years?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:21 AM (LbRej)

403
400 How does a vampire get a boner?



Rigormortis

Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:22 AM (GULKT)

404 Remember when the "bright" switch was a button on the floor? Hoo, boy, am I ever old.
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:18 AM (S+/pH)
---------------------------------------------------------
First car was a '66 Chrysler Newport. Bright button (that's what it was) was on the floor up high where the left foot might be able to reach it. The back seat could fit 4 guys across comfortably and the trunk could hold 6 guys. Best car I ever had.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2012 12:23 AM (jucos)

405 Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:21 AM (LbRej)


Hate to say it, but things will get worse before they get better. I'm sure you know that. I'm so sorry!


I may drive out in January.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:23 AM (Pa+5i)

406 Rigormortis
Posted by: buzzion at December 08, 2012 12:22 AM (GULKT)

I LOLd!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:23 AM (Pa+5i)

407 I just want to come out and hook up for the alpine at Schweitzer. That's our thing. And we'll bypass Sun Valley. Thanks. We don't need nightlife, just steep-and-deep off of Pend Orielle, or Little Blue on the back, in early March.
Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 12:05 AM (mkb9H)

that is way north of me. Never skiieid there

I'm south of Boise

Sun Valley can be fun, the skiing can be awsome or just suck

never ski under a snow cannon when it is running, it will 'frost' your gogles like nothing else.

night life in Sun Valley is interesting, you never know how the night will turn out



Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 12:24 AM (2CiZb)

408 Antibiotics, and sulpha, and more antibiotics

What about honey? Doesn't it kill flesh eating bacteria? I know my cuts heal faster when I put it on them.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:24 AM (LbRej)

409 Best car I ever had.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2012 12:23 AM (jucos)

I remember those bigass kinda cars. And if you got your finger slammed in one of the doors, you'd probably lose it.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:25 AM (Pa+5i)

410 Joe BiteMe does his imitation of Forrest Gump:

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/biden-pointing.jpg

Except I don't think he's sharp enough to do it on purpose. I think I'm gonna cry. Four more years of this imbecile.

My caption -- Dat's where rain comes from.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:25 AM (ccXZP)

411 Well, got my grades posted, and it's time for bed. Sorry I can't stay up and make merry with y'all.

Hope your evening is wonderful!

Posted by: Mindy at December 08, 2012 12:25 AM (6jLT3)

412 Night Mindy! Sleep well! I"m right behind ya....

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:26 AM (Pa+5i)

413 Hate to say it, but things will get worse before they get better. I'm sure you know that. I'm so sorry!

Heh, like someone told me yesterday: if it weren't for bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all right now.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:28 AM (LbRej)

414 Alright, I'm throwin in the towel. Nite all!



Miss Tammy, just remember, you usually get what you pay for.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:28 AM (GEICT)

415 Well, got my grades posted, and it's time for bed. Sorry I can't stay up and make merry with y'all.

Hope your evening is wonderful!
Posted by: Mindy at December 08, 2012 12:25 AM (6jLT3)

412 Night Mindy! Sleep well! I"m right behind ya....
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:26 AM (Pa+5i)
---------------------------------------------------------
Go on............

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2012 12:28 AM (jucos)

416 401
Is she on the rag? I would love my husband to sext me from the other end of the couch! That would be so hot!

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:29 AM (S+/pH)

417 Night BC! It works pretty good on my shoulders, so at least it wasn't a total wast of 6 bucks!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:29 AM (Pa+5i)

418 >> Well I've managed to atleast partially annoy the wife. Apparently,
sending sexually harassing text messages, from the other end of the
couch, is frowned upon. I don't see the problem with it.

Yeah, it's not like the NSA is going to store those things for the next 50 years or anything.

Send more.

Posted by: lonely, horny NSA guy getting thru his shift at December 08, 2012 12:29 AM (ccXZP)

419 That would be so hot!
Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:29 AM (S+/pH)

Wouldn't you rather he be all up in your ear whispering filthy things and kissing your neck??

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:31 AM (Pa+5i)

420


Well don't that beat all?


Charlie Crist is a Democrat. Officially, I mean. Just switched. On a Friday night.


Heh.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 12:31 AM (1Y+hH)

421 Y'all are a damn mess. Good night for real!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:32 AM (GEICT)

422 Bebe, are you being serious about the honey? Or maybe it's over my head. I have never heard of that. Royal jelly is the closest I've heard of. Is Jafra still even in business?

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:32 AM (S+/pH)

423 @377, quote: "I still prefer the 1:50k military maps that I used
over 20 years ago in my Army days. A 1:50k, lensatic compass, a mil
protractor and a LOT of practice will get you near GPS-level accuracy,
although much, much slower.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 08, 2012 12:05 AM (Rhie+)" unquote

Am not familiar with 1:50K maps or mil protractors, but do agree that a good compass and a good map will get you anywhere that can be gotten to (as a practical matter, that is; some places are inaccessable without special gear). How do you use a mil protractor?

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:33 AM (NBfwn)

424 Wouldn't you rather he be all up in your ear whispering filthy things and kissing your neck??
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:31 AM (Pa+5i)


Well, he does that, so the sexting thing would be different. I think it would be fun!

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:34 AM (S+/pH)

425 Y'all are a damn mess.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 08, 2012 12:32 AM (GEICT)

I think you mean a hot mess.

And you're right.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:34 AM (Pa+5i)

426
I honestly think there is a gene for enamel and
many of those in Appalachia didn't get it it. The common belief is that
well water is the culprit, but some of it has got to be genetic. And the
issue far predates Mt Dew, which is also blamed for it, and no doubt
adds to it, but I think were so few other groups to breed with for so
long that the bad tooth gene got deeply embedded

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:20 AM (Pa+5i)

No doubt about that, especially since the area is thick with Scots-Irish.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 12:35 AM (Zd/NW)

427 Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:34 AM (S+/pH)

Well, it seems cold to me. Mind you, I have only ever texted once, and that was the word "no"


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:36 AM (Pa+5i)

428 Heaviest car door I ever slammed my hand in was a 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Limosine. Broke my hand. Door must have weighed a hundred pounds

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2012 12:37 AM (jucos)

429 Interesting discussion thread on .357 Mag vs. .30 Carbine. .30 Carbine is not a pussy round, at all.


Posted by: 98ZJUSMC


Yeah. I know next to dick about firearms, but maybe I should be asking this question:

How much would a custom shop charge for a .30 carbine conversion kit for a semi-auto pistol?

Are we talking $10k, $1k, or something less?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 12:37 AM (08zV/)

430 No doubt about that, especially since the area is thick with Scots-Irish.
Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 12:35 AM (Zd/NW)

Yes! So you don't think I'm crazy? (You don't have to answer that, I know I"m crazy!)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:38 AM (Pa+5i)

431 Yeah, the honey thing is real. Have you ever wondered why a jar of honey can sit out at room temp for years without going moldy?

There are some natural antibiotic compounds in wild honey.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:38 AM (ccXZP)

432 Am not familiar with 1:50K maps or mil protractors,
but do agree that a good compass and a good map will get you anywhere
that can be gotten to (as a practical matter, that is; some places are
inaccessable without special gear). How do you use a mil protractor?




Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:33 AM (NBfwn)

Gotta get yourself a box of grid squares first. Don't leave home without them.

Posted by: Obamao at December 08, 2012 12:39 AM (JtyGg)

433 How much would a custom shop charge for a .30 carbine conversion kit for a semi-auto pistol?

Are we talking $10k, $1k, or something less?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 12:37 AM (08zV/)


you want to convert a pistol to .30 carbine or want to convert .30 carbine rifle to a pistol?

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 12:39 AM (2CiZb)

434 "382
'Does anyone else miss the old 15-minute USGS topo maps?'



Miss? Did they quit making them? We always used those for backpacking.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:08 AM (LbRej)"Yep, the USGS quit printing them a few years ago, about the time they came out with the 1:100,000 metric maps (30-minute X 60-minute).

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:39 AM (NBfwn)

435 Honey is awesome. I hate the taste, but it's medicinal properties are amazing. Always drink hot tea with lots of honey when you have a sore throat.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:40 AM (Pa+5i)

436 Hi Bebe- It's not much, but I hope this lifts your spirits.

We were doing Christmas Songs earlier, and this is my fave. Written in 1944 by Mel Tormé and Bob Wells, and first recorded in 1946 by the Nat King Cole Trio.

Nat on American Bandstand - Broadcast 12/18/57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-evgOaEuIU

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (mkb9H)

437 Yeah. I know next to dick about firearms, but maybe I should be asking this question:

How much would a custom shop charge for a .30 carbine conversion kit for a semi-auto pistol?

Are we talking $10k, $1k, or something less?


Posted by: weft cut-loop

Look for the automag (if I recollect correct)

Posted by: Obamao at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (JtyGg)

438 Awright, I be sleepified. And frisky. I need to go make my booty call to cali.

Y'all behave as best you can, and say hi to the graveyard shift for me!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (Pa+5i)

439
Love the old quad maps, nothing better. Got stacks of them here in the mancave.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (1Y+hH)

440 My teeth are an atrocity. My dad and I have the same teeth and the exact same issues in the same places.

I worry about my kids in the Obamacare era.

Posted by: Truman North at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (I2LwF)

441
Truck Monkey at December 07, 2012 10:37 PM
Look up a radar detector site. Some of them have a device that flashes an intense light on the plate that overides the camera's sensor.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 12:41 AM (+9AX9)

442 Honey on pancakes, waffles, sausage biscuits, butter biscuits, fried chicken. Plus, good barter item. I'm stocking up on honey bears.

Posted by: Enby at December 08, 2012 12:42 AM (ptlfZ)

443 are you being serious about the honey?

Yes. It's supposed to be a natural antibiotic.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at December 08, 2012 12:42 AM (LbRej)

444 you want to convert a pistol to .30 carbine or want to convert .30 carbine rifle to a pistol?



Posted by: Jake in ID


Thx for the reply.

A pistol to a firearm that accepts .30 carbine. Example; 9mm pistol original, and custom-make a .30 Carbine pistol.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 12:43 AM (08zV/)

445 Aww, jeez. Going back to read the comments I missed, I realize my mistakes in commenting on things that had already been commented to death. Sorry for my dumb-assedness. Now I'm going to bed, for reals. Night, all! (Remember the Nitol commercial?)

Posted by: kalneva at December 08, 2012 12:43 AM (S+/pH)

446 Grid squares . . . must search teh intarwebz to find out what grid squares are, and what they do. . . .

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:45 AM (NBfwn)

447 422 Kalneva, honey is supposed to be antibacterial. I've never tried it topically myself (usually preferring to mix it with hot water, lemon and rum for a sore throat) but dimly remember reading that it could be used for that. The real issue would be if the antibacterial properties were strong enough to counter the bacterial strain in question.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at December 08, 2012 12:45 AM (wbeNt)

448 429 >> How much would a custom shop charge for a .30 carbine conversion kit for a semi-auto pistol?

I'm nowhere an expert on this stuff, but I see problems. First, the shape of the bullet tip makes it hard to feed in a semi-automatic. Most semi rounds have smooth blunt round tips. Also, the round is long, whereas most acp pistols use much shorter ammo.

The second issue is the gun frame. The .30 cal round is pretty powerful, so you need a frame that can take the pressure.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:45 AM (ccXZP)

449
Remember when the "bright" switch was a button on the floor? Hoo, boy, am I ever old.
Lots of accidents in Ky when they moved it to the turn signal lever.. People were getting their foot caught in the steering wheel.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 12:48 AM (+9AX9)

450 Ok, so I pull up g*nbroker.com, and the first listing is a pristine AMT III .30.

arrg

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 12:50 AM (08zV/)

451 OK Obamao, were you joking or what? It looks like grid squares are a coordinate locating system, like township range figures. Not something I could pack up in my old kit bag.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 12:50 AM (NBfwn)

452 >> Lots of accidents in Ky when they moved it to the turn signal lever..
People were getting their foot caught in the steering wheel.

If we each grab an arm or a leg, it would make it a lot easier to heave his ass out into the gravel parking lot.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:51 AM (ccXZP)

453 My wife can't even find where we started on a map.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 12:52 AM (+9AX9)

454
I am so jealous. I am beyond grateful tot be able to walk again, but I miss dancing so much it makes me ache sometimes.


I understand. It's why I was so glad to get back to Colorado where there is a large dance community.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 12:53 AM (HwgHt)

455 Tweet from Charlie Crist:
Proud and honored to join the Democratic Party in the home of President @BarackObama!

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 12:53 AM (1Y+hH)

456
Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 12:53 AM (HwgHt)


May I ask what kind of dancing you mean?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 12:54 AM (1Y+hH)

457 My first car that I owned was a '65 Barracuda, and I remember the bright lights switch was on the floor. The car that Mom let me drive, a '72 Ford LTD wagon the switch was on the floor. I don't remember when they switched them to the column, but I do remember it was pretty dangerous, from hitting where the emergency brake was.

Posted by: alamogordo at December 08, 2012 12:54 AM (HUTO5)

458 OK Obamao, were you joking or what?

Old army joke, but for the fact that they also have a template (like draftsmen used for making ellipses, fancy letters, etc) for measuring distance within grid squares.

Either way, like being told to get yourself some new chem-lite batteries or a bucket of poon-tane from the motor pool.

Posted by: Obamao at December 08, 2012 12:55 AM (JtyGg)

459 I got lost one time out in the country and had to get out and look at the stars to find my way back to the main highway.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 12:56 AM (+9AX9)

460 Dear Charlie Crist,

I hope Chris Christie confuses you for a can of Crisco and polishes you off in one sitting.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 12:57 AM (ccXZP)

461 455
Tweet from Charlie Crist:
Proud and honored to join the Democratic Party in the home of President @BarackObama!

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 12:53 AM

Right behind you, Chuck!

Posted by: John Boehner at December 08, 2012 12:57 AM (wwsoB)

462 450
Ok, so I pull up g*nbroker.com, and the first listing is a pristine AMT III .30.

arrg



Posted by: weft cut-loop

Actually, I would have jumped on that one.

Ruger may still make a six-shooter in .30 carbine. I hear it is very nice for use as an auxiliary flashlight.

Posted by: Obamao at December 08, 2012 12:57 AM (JtyGg)

463 Hi BeBe- It's not much, I know, but we were doing Christmas songs earlier, and I hope you enjoy this:

Mel Torme "The Velvet Fog" co-wrote "The Christmas Song" ("Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire") with Bob Wells, in 1944. The Nat King Cole Trio first recorded the song early in 1946.

Nat King Cole - American Bandstand circa 12/18/57.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-evgOaEuIU

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 12:57 AM (mkb9H)

464 I believe it was in the early 80's when dimmer switches universally moved from the floor switch to the turn signal lever


Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 12:59 AM (wwsoB)

465 A pistol to a firearm that accepts .30 carbine. Example; 9mm pistol original, and custom-make a .30 Carbine pistol.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 12:43 AM (08zV/)

If you wanted a bolt action pistol in .30 carbine $1000-$1400

If you want a semi-auto pistol, alot several thousand $$, $5k??

The .30 carbine is .400 inches longer than a 10mm pistol round, so not modern auto-loader will accept it



I did not catch the initial .30 carbine post but there is a reason the .30 carbine is fading in 2012

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 12:59 AM (2CiZb)

466 Alrighty, kids, the Ambien is winning so I'm out.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 08, 2012 01:01 AM (ccXZP)

467
weft cut-loop
I recall reading about a .44mag necked down to take a.357 bullet.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:01 AM (+9AX9)

468 Actually, I would have jumped on that one.

Ruger may still make a six-shooter in .30 carbine. I hear it is very nice for use as an auxiliary flashlight.
Posted by: Obamao


Ok, yeah, forgot to mention I'm in this foreign land called California, and, Ruger still makes the .30 hawks, but I'm a prejudiced post-modern; no likee the hog legs.

I want a 1911 plastic fantastic with rack and pinion steering and a laser on its frickin' head.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:02 AM (08zV/)

469 Just about every switch now is either on a steering column stalk, or on the hub of the steering wheel

Seems that with the advent of paddle shifters, the only reason to move your hand away from the wheel in most cars is to push the starter button

Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 01:02 AM (wwsoB)

470 I am just happy that the only thing hubby and I asked for Christmas presents was shells for the .12 and .20 and bullets for the .38 and .45 and .22. I feel blessed to have a family that understands us.

Posted by: alamogordo at December 08, 2012 01:03 AM (HUTO5)

471 Seems that with the advent of paddle shifters, the only reason to move your hand away from the wheel in most cars is to push the starter button
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 01:02 AM (wwsoB)How about that, the silly Edsel was ahead of its' time.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 08, 2012 01:05 AM (1Y+hH)

472 I feel blessed to have a family that understands us.
Posted by: alamogordo


You are, and be sure to tell him we are jealous.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:06 AM (08zV/)

473 Whoops! Double posted, accidentally at 436 and 463. How 'bout that? Had a "too many opened" slight crash. But I was well intentioned, nontheless. Happy ChristmaHanahKawanza!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 01:06 AM (mkb9H)

474 I'm still not up on the need for a .30 carbine pistol, but if you want one get one, it is America.

If you need a pistol that powerful, you might think about a rifle instead

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 01:06 AM (2CiZb)

475 "'OOQQOQOQ' Might confuse the fuckers enough to give up."

I actually saw XKXKXXK here in Illinois the other day. I had a hard time reading it.

Posted by: Chris M at December 08, 2012 01:08 AM (4lyMJ)

476 Good evening.

I'm only kind of here.

And a little embarassed. I ordered as a Christmas goft for my eight year old niece a very nice coat that was on clearance from JC Penney. And man alive but JCP.com is run for shit. I was so annoyed since I ordered it last week and had it shipped to the store to save on shipping but never got anything beyond an order confirmation. Nothing listed in my account. No shipping confirmation email. Nada. I write them last night on the order's status, no reply. Check my bank balance and I've been charged. So...what the fuck? I'm sending this stuff overseas, I'm in a rush and pressed for time. So tonight I sent them an email asking to cancel and refund the order and saying JCP.com sucks (I was actually polite, don't get me wrong).

Turns out the damn order arrived at the store today and they left me a message.

Dammit...

Well...that's awesome? I guess? It's a very lovely coat and I'm glad I can send it now. But the JCP website is still run for shit.

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:08 AM (4ixH5)

477 Oh I will, weft cut-loop, and we do have a good bug-out if y'all need it. Look for the foothills of the Sacrament Mts. where my name is, you will probably recognize the lot from the extra bug out vehicles in the driveway. Including the VW superbug what drives on sand really well. In NM ya know.

Posted by: alamogordo at December 08, 2012 01:09 AM (HUTO5)

478 If you can live with a single shot SSK Industries can make/has what you want.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:11 AM (+9AX9)

479 I did not catch the initial .30 carbine post but there is a reason the .30 carbine is fading in 2012
Posted by: Jake in ID


Fading? No, I just was wondering and bit asbergury as to why the .30 carbine never made it into a semi-auto handjob.

I've read so much about the WWII Carbine and come to admire them a bit too much I guess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:12 AM (08zV/)

480 Obamao @ 458: Thanks for the info. FYI, ya made me Bing it . . . fooled me. The template thing makes sense, tho.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 01:12 AM (NBfwn)

481 Morons

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:13 AM (z9HTb)

482 Seems that with the advent of paddle shifters, the only reason to move your hand away from the wheel in most cars is to push the starter button
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 01:02 AM
----------------------------------------------------------
No. Texting, shaving, eating, and applying make up will take your hand off the wheel.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 08, 2012 01:14 AM (jucos)

483 In our "preps", my folks are in the high ground and that is the rendezvous. And I have been telling Dad that we have to get a hand pump for the well, and we MUST start a bee hive to propagate the cultivores. Seeds are only so good, without. Bees are a must. And, yes, I can/do/will eat honey on everything.

- And a small smokehouse. And a rabbit hutch. Ummm...bunny, with honey!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 01:14 AM (mkb9H)

484 Morons
Posted by: fluffy


How do I know you're smiling when you typed that?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (08zV/)

485
Yes! So you don't think I'm crazy? (You don't have to answer that, I know I"m crazy!)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 08, 2012 12:38 AM (Pa+5i)

Nope. Some really bad grills around this part, just like Wales, Scotland, and Ireland. Most of these parts were settled by the "working man" from Europe back in the day, so they probably didn't have the genetics of the "beautiful people".

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (Zd/NW)

486 Seems that with the advent of paddle shifters, the only reason to move your hand away from the wheel in most cars is to push the starter button
Posted by: kbdabear at December 08, 2012 01:02 AM


What is a "paddle shifter"?

I still hate automatics, and avoid buying them... which is becoming more and more difficult as time goes by...

Posted by: Rally Vincent at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (sZTYJ)

487 Got back from my buds house whose wife has to deal with the FSA with her job. Today she dealt with a woman that had to show her pay stubs for her Obama Bucks. Lady didn't have them so she took out her iPad 2 and looked them up online.

The people at her work ask her why she looks mad all of the time.

Hmmm.

Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (sqp6o)

488 Posted by: Rally Vincent at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (sZTYJ)


Paddle on the steering wheel that switches gears.

Posted by: RWC at December 08, 2012 01:17 AM (sqp6o)

489 Hey Rally, still driving that warmed over Mustang II after the 67 GT500 got blown up?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 01:18 AM (t866N)

490 Oh I will, weft cut-loop, and we do have a good bug-out if y'all need it. Look for the foothills of the Sacrament Mts. where my name is,.Posted by: alamogordo

Heh! Thanks. We should probably create some kind of arm-waving sign that distinguishes the 'the few, the moronical' from the hobo.

Wouldn't want to get shot at the doorstep to 'arcadia.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:22 AM (08zV/)

491 How do I know you're smiling when you typed that?


Grinning like a drooling idiot, but close enough.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:22 AM (z9HTb)

492
Posted by: Rally Vincent at December 08, 2012 01:16 AM (sZTYJ)

Can I have a three-way with you and Minnie May?

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:24 AM (4ixH5)

493 Grinning like a drooling idiot, but close enough.
Posted by: fluffy


Bartender, another round for my fiend...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:25 AM (08zV/)

494 Can I have a three-way with you and Minnie May?

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:24 AM (4ixH5)


ಠ_ಠ

Posted by: Ken Taki at December 08, 2012 01:27 AM (sZTYJ)

495 Do I have to chug my beer before I get another?

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:27 AM (z9HTb)

496 Fading? No, I just was wondering and bit asbergury as to why the .30 carbine never made it into a semi-auto handjob.

I've read so much about the WWII Carbine and come to admire them a bit too much I guess.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:12 AM (08zV/)

Chamber Pressure wise .30 carbine is greater than 10mm, plus it is a long cartridge

Guessing the biggest reason is no market

.30 carbine was better at distance than a .45acp, but does not do as well as .223/5.56

.30 carbine works good in a carbine, seen guys compete with then sucessfully



Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 01:28 AM (2CiZb)

497 I guess Becky is not Robert's type... o.O;;;;

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 01:28 AM (t866N)

498
Grinning like a drooling idiot, but close enough.
Posted by: fluffy

Lean back a little. My keyboard is all wet.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:28 AM (+9AX9)

499 hi all
what did I miss

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:28 AM (d/5qf)

500 Meh. Prefer good old fashioned sticks. You can do so much more with a stick than with an automatice or a paddle shifter. If I need a little extra acceleration up a hill, I'll just hit the gas and press down a little on the clutch. Love the control that give you.

Posted by: Rally Vincent at December 08, 2012 01:29 AM (sZTYJ)

501
hi all
what did I miss

You mean you haven't read all 498 posts?
Line cutter.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:30 AM (+9AX9)

502 Chemjeff, Rally Vincent is looking for the high beams... wanna help her? Robert wants to.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 01:31 AM (t866N)

503 "I repeat, Charlize is fucking hot.
Posted by: BCochran1981 "
--------------------------------------------------------------------
And I repeat, you must need f*cking glasses or have a thing for barely pubescent girls.

Posted by: Hard Right at December 08, 2012 01:31 AM (Ly7Kq)

504 Guessing the biggest reason is no market

.30 carbine was better at distance than a .45acp, but does not do as well as .223/5.56

.30 carbine works good in a carbine, seen guys compete with then sucessfully

Posted by: Jake in ID

Yeah, I figured the caliber proliferation after WWII made it obscure, but still! .22lr over a .30?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:32 AM (08zV/)

505
If you ever want to start a fight with your wife , ask her where certain states are in the U.S. or which states border each other. They get so defensive.

"That's a guy thing"

Posted by: seamrog at December 08, 2012 01:32 AM (J4LlR)

506 hi chemjeff


How is Velma?

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:32 AM (z9HTb)

507
May I ask what kind of dancing you mean?


All kinds. Denver has a large Argentine tango community, and a well developed swing dancing community. There's also a contra dance group as well.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 01:33 AM (HwgHt)

508 CJ! How goes on the Transylvanian front?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 01:33 AM (kaalw)

509 You mean you haven't read all 498 posts?
Line cutter.
Posted by: harleycowboy


Obama voter.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:33 AM (08zV/)

510 Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:33 AM (08zV/)

hey now, that's a filthy insult

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:34 AM (d/5qf)

511 hey now, that's a filthy insult
Posted by: chemjeff


Of course it is. That's why I wrote it, amigo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:35 AM (08zV/)

512 date with Velma went pretty good. it started out being a mini-disaster as we didn't make it to the movie on time due to traffic. so we instead just had a nice relaxing dinner at a restaurant.

I must say though, I almost had a panic attack anticipating the date. I almost called it off.

we're going to the gym tomorrow.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:35 AM (d/5qf)

513 don't know much about Rally Vincent except that she is a cartoon character


Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:37 AM (d/5qf)

514 we're going to the gym tomorrow.
Posted by: chemjeff


You sly dog, you.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:37 AM (08zV/)

515 ..just don't monologue.

seriously.

Posted by: Pixar writers at December 08, 2012 01:38 AM (08zV/)

516
Obama voter
You hurt my feelings so bad I'm going to have to drink another glass of kool aide.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:38 AM (+9AX9)

517 ಠ_ಠ

Posted by: Ken Taki at December 08, 2012 01:27 AM (sZTYJ)

You can hold the camera.

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:39 AM (4ixH5)

518 512
date with Velma went pretty good. it started out being a mini-disaster
as we didn't make it to the movie on time due to traffic. so we instead
just had a nice relaxing dinner at a restaurant.

I must say though, I almost had a panic attack anticipating the date. I almost called it off.

we're going to the gym tomorrow.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:35 AM (d/5qf)


Dude, she's probably going, "cute guy, acts nice, definite relationship material, but our dates are like watching paint dry." You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 01:40 AM (kaalw)

519 Yeah, I figured the caliber proliferation after WWII made it obscure, but still! .22lr over a .30?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:32 AM (08zV/)

up till 1999 .30 it was fairly cheap to shoo with surplus ammo.

.30 carbine is better than nothing, but after 125 yards it drops real big and does not hit that hard past 150 yards.

.30 carbine is a fun and historic cartridge, but if not a collector there are better options for self defense or competitions, or plinking




Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 01:40 AM (2CiZb)

520 So, now I'm "all-up-in" the damned Christmas carols. It is too early, dammit. Christmas is "supposed to start" on or about the 20th of Dec. Now they put decorations up at the drug store on Nov. 1st.
-
I am, however diggin' and reminiscing some "Old School" carols. I'm hearing singing about the birth of a Savior.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 01:41 AM (mkb9H)

521 we're going to the gym tomorrow.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:35 AM (d/5qf)

Tell us if she looks good in one of these.
http://tinyurl.com/awqrrkf

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:41 AM (4ixH5)

522 So I think Bono is finally coming around.

http://tinyurl.com/akqm3gs

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2012 01:41 AM (4ixH5)

523 You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested.

umm what does this mean precisely?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:42 AM (d/5qf)

524 You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested.umm what does this mean precisely?


Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:42 AM


Whip it out.

Posted by: otho at December 08, 2012 01:45 AM (yBF/9)

525 we're going to the gym tomorrow.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:35 AM (d/5qf)

Be polite, be courtious, be sure she sees you bench 350 lbs.

Other than that just talk about me, and let her jabber about what is important.

Posted by: Jake in ID at December 08, 2012 01:45 AM (2CiZb)

526 You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested


Don't forget to sniff her butt.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:45 AM (z9HTb)

527 523
You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested.

umm what does this mean precisely?




Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:42 AM (d/5qf)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAER-WxlLUg -- approximately :43

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 01:46 AM (kaalw)

528 Speaking of bug-out locations and such-like: was reading a "Two Fat Ladies" cookbook earlier and was reminded that dovecotes and rabbit warrens were 'living larders' for the folks who kept them in the old days. So many old skills to revive in these LIB times.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 01:46 AM (NBfwn)

529 .30 carbine is a fun and historic cartridge, but if not a collector there are better options for self defense or competitions, or plinking
Posted by: Jake in ID


Again, I'm a novice in extremis, but I'm just lost as to why no pistol mfr picked up on it. C'est la vie.

Posted by: Pixar writers at December 08, 2012 01:47 AM (08zV/)

530 Speaking of the gym, I went to the local 24hr fitness to find out their rates the other day. One of the staff took me on a tour of the gym, and while he was showing me the pool and spa, a cute brunette in a teeny bikini saunters on by headed for the hot tub. Definitely a point in their favor.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 01:48 AM (HwgHt)

531 So I think Bono is finally coming around.


If you make a gal a sammich, that's nice. If you teach her how to make a sammich, you help her to discover her calling.

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:49 AM (z9HTb)

532 well, I'm going to bed

don't quite understand the bull reference, but I guess i will ponder it tomorrow

good night, thanx for everything

Posted by: chemjeff at December 08, 2012 01:50 AM (d/5qf)

533 Hello ChemJ. I'm kinda' at the point, along with cthulhu, and the gals, that I'm thinking that you gotta bust a move. You're a month in. Is you is? Or, is you ain't? Friday dinner is more opportune than Saturday gym. Just sayin'. I wish you the best, but brotha-man, it's on you. Are you going to buy her jewelry for Christmas?

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 01:50 AM (mkb9H)

534 Then: bomber jacket art. Now: politically correct sexual repression.
http://tiny.cc/bpjzow

Commanders and supervisors in all corners of the Air Force will conduct a widespread sweep of all work spaces and public areas starting today, looking for pictures, calendars and other materials that objectify women.

Masculinity and morale: out. Big Mommy Feminist: in.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 08, 2012 01:51 AM (Z6flO)

535 526
You've got to paw the ground and snort occasionally so she knows you're still interested


Don't forget to sniff her butt.


Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 01:45 AM (z9HTb)



...or there's always http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSd6Fd6I8e8

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 01:51 AM (kaalw)

536 Well heading to bed. Need to take cat to vet in the morning. So will wrap things up with a serious note about December 7th. This is extracted from the PACAF book published in 1991 called '7 December 1941 - The Air Force Story.' pg 133

To You Our Fallen

The barracks are now silent
Where once your laughter rang,
The steel guitar is broken
Where around your bunks we sang.
As the stars give way to morning
In Oahu's cloud-swept sky,
Old Glory's proudly waving there
Seeped in heroes' crimson dye.
Can you hear us there in heaven
As the dawn patrol takes flight?
On silvery wings your memory soars
In holy freedom's fight.
The kona wind blows softly now,
The palm trees whisper low,
But all America will remember
Whence came this dastard's blow.
Let the Nipponese remember this,
As they cringe beneath the sky,
At Hickam's flaming vengeance
For you, the first to die!
--- Sgt W. Joe Brimm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 08, 2012 01:51 AM (t866N)

537
chemjeff

Good luck. Take your time. Don't rush into anything no matter how hot she is.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 01:55 AM (+9AX9)

538 Chemjeff,

The pawing the ground thing means that any good woman wants a man who has some spirit, some spark of life and passion. The quiet "nice guy" who's afraid to initiate contact, who doesn't know how to pursue her and sweep her off her feet every once in a while won't appeal to her. She wants someone who gives her the since that she is around something powerful that she can't simply push around and control.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 01:58 AM (HwgHt)

539 Reminds me of a time with this one girl where we were standing, talking over my opened car door that she was leaning against and I was holding open with my hand over the top, and as we were talking I could juuuuussssssst stretch my finger over and start rubbing her blouse. Didn't lose eye contact, didn't crack a smile, just talking and streeeeetching over. She finally asked, "did you know you were rubbing my tit?" and I replied that I hoped she'd been enjoying it as much as I had.



Of course, it's safer to do that if you've got a car door protecting your groin area.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 01:58 AM (kaalw)

540 Evenin Friends

Posted by: Zakn at December 08, 2012 02:00 AM (zyaZ1)

541 Good night, all. Saturdays are my "machine-shop apprentice" days, and they start early.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 02:01 AM (NBfwn)

542 I'd have given that puppy a buck, or a tasty treat, to have pulled harder sooner! Is it too early to start saying anything about hating Christmas shopping?

Posted by: and irresolute at December 08, 2012 02:03 AM (DBH1h)

543 "Pawing the ground and snorting" is when a bull's full attention is on you, and he's just working out how you're going to get it. He's got the drive, he is certainly going to get you, he's sampling the surface and figuring whether he's going to lead with his right or his left foot -- not whether it'll be another latte or an art gallery. It's going to end with you pinned to the ground.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:04 AM (kaalw)

544 Speaking of bug-out locations and such-like: was reading a "Two Fat Ladies" cookbook earlier and was reminded that dovecotes and rabbit warrens were 'living larders' for the folks who kept them in the old days. So many old skills to revive in these LIB times.

Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at December 08, 2012 01:46 AM (NBfwn)

Dr.J - teh Mrs. and I watch a fair amount of the cooking shows. The smoking, brandy-drinking, motorcycle-side-car'ed large ladies are among our favorites. In the vein of our divine Ms. Julia Child. We are becoming more "self-sufficient" and au naturelle. I, personally, am not above a squirrel or a pigeon. With a little butter and cream, or a sauce Anglais. And I have prepared and eaten my fair share of hasenfeffer.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:05 AM (mkb9H)

545 Night, Morons

Posted by: fluffy at December 08, 2012 02:07 AM (z9HTb)

546 G'night, fluffy.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:07 AM (kaalw)

547 hahhaahahahah


Christ!!!

Posted by: Burney McBurnstein fanning the flames of painful freedom at December 08, 2012 02:09 AM (+wxCD)

548 What is happening with your SIL, Purp?

Well, the massive infection (one of many) was kinda the last straw. There's also many broken bones in ankle and foot due to RA. She's not an old woman either, only in her 40's, but she's one of the small minority of women that developed extreme RA after a pregnancy, and it brings a slew of complications and auto-immune problems too.

At this point, the amputation looks like the best chance for survival and a prosthetic should improver her mobility considerably over what she's got now.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:16 AM (xaPEC)

549 Well, the massive infection (one of many) was kinda the last straw. There's also many broken bones in ankle and foot due to RA. She's not an old woman either, only in her 40's, but she's one of the small minority of women that developed extreme RA after a pregnancy, and it brings a slew of complications and auto-immune problems too.

At this point, the amputation looks like the best chance for survival and a prosthetic should improver her mobility considerably over what she's got now.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:16 AM (xaPEC)


Damn.

Thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 08, 2012 02:17 AM (sZTYJ)

550
That is so sad. Sorry to hear about it. Best of luck to you and the Mrs.

Posted by: harleycowboy at December 08, 2012 02:18 AM (+9AX9)

551 Fading? No, I just was wondering and bit asbergury as to why the .30 carbine never made it into a semi-auto handjob.



I've read so much about the WWII Carbine and come to admire them a bit too much I guess.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2012 01:12 AM (08zV/)


.30 Carbine is a very long case for a semiauto pistol. The frame would have to be along the lines of something chambered in .50AE in order to handle the chamber pressures of a (somewhat weak) rifle round, and the length of the cartridge would make the grip dimensions uncomfortable for those without giant hands.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:18 AM (lJJMb)

552 So. I had posted earlier that the Barbra and Julie were in my physiognomy, and I'm in that semi-glow, from a mix of Bourbon and other, and listening to it. So, yeah, at the risk of the ghey, I agree that some of my favorites actually are:

Raindrops on roses, and whiskers on kittens.
Bright copper kettles, and warm woolen mittens.
Brown paper packages tied up with strings.
These are a few of my favorite things.

Cream colored ponies, and crisp apple streudels.
Doorbells, and sleigh-bells, and schnitzel with noodles.
Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings.
These are a few of my favorite things.

Girls in white dresses, with blue satin sashes.
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes.
Silver white winters that melt into springs.
These are a few of my favorite things.

When the dog bites;
When the bee stings;
When I'm feeling sad;
I simply remember my favorite things.
And then I don't feel so bad!

Anybody wanna' fight about it?

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:20 AM (mkb9H)

553 522
So I think Bono is finally coming around.


Well, his wallet is fat enough at this point in his career he can afford to become a showbiz pariah and go off the reservation.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:21 AM (xaPEC)

554 548
What is happening with your SIL, Purp?

Well, the massive
infection (one of many) was kinda the last straw. There's also many
broken bones in ankle and foot due to RA. She's not an old woman either,
only in her 40's, but she's one of the small minority of women that
developed extreme RA after a pregnancy, and it brings a slew of
complications and auto-immune problems too.

At this point, the
amputation looks like the best chance for survival and a prosthetic
should improver her mobility considerably over what she's got now.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:16 AM (xaPEC)


Ouch. The BH and I know a guy who started with food poisoning (and underlying diabetes), went into a strange toxic shock thing in the hospital, developed an abscess in his arm where an IV was, and ended up losing a foot. It was like he was a ball in the pachinko game of suck. Nearly died in the process. Also in his 40's. Great guy, too -- we visited him in the hospital where he had a private room for the price of a shared one because he'd crack up the nurses so bad laughing all the time that his roommates didn't feel safe.

The world is a far less safe place than most appreciate.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:25 AM (kaalw)

555 Yea, it sucks for my brother and his wife. There are some women that a pregnancy just really fucks over bad.

I don't think anyone really knows why an otherwise healthy young woman just suddenly has everything go haywire after having a baby. RA, auto-immune, brittle bone, de-calcification, blah, blah. She got hit with the whole mess.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:26 AM (xaPEC)

556 The world is a far less safe place than most appreciate.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:25 AM (kaalw)


And enjoy it while you can, because when things go bad, it happens fast.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:27 AM (lJJMb)

557 555
Yea, it sucks for my brother and his wife. There are some women that a pregnancy just really fucks over bad.

I
don't think anyone really knows why an otherwise healthy young woman
just suddenly has everything go haywire after having a baby. RA,
auto-immune, brittle bone, de-calcification, blah, blah. She got hit
with the whole mess.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:26 AM (xaPEC)


It's terrible, too, that it casts a shadow over what should be a wholeheartedly joyful, blessed event. How old is the niece/nephew?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:29 AM (kaalw)

558 556
The world is a far less safe place than most appreciate.




Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:25 AM (kaalw)

And enjoy it while you can, because when things go bad, it happens fast.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:27 AM (lJJMb)


In those terminal cases that I've witnessed, reality gets inside the OODA loop. I haven't known many people to die of any one thing -- they sort of get clusterfucked to death.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:31 AM (kaalw)

559 Keebler makes this snack called a "flip-side", cracker on one side, pretzel on the other.

PURE. FREAKING. GENIUS.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:32 AM (xaPEC)

560 Ho Ho Ho! Merry Christmas Morons!!!


http://tinyurl.com/au8sc32

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 02:34 AM (yh0zB)

561 In those terminal cases that I've witnessed, reality
gets inside the OODA loop. I haven't known many people to die of any
one thing -- they sort of get clusterfucked to death.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:31 AM (kaalw)


Not to be all cold about it, but yeah - it's basically multiple failing or floundering systems going into emergency mode, creating a competition for scarce resources, and finally bringing the whole system down.
I hope what when my day comes I get to come back as Robocop, but much older.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:35 AM (lJJMb)

562 How old is the niece/nephew?

Early teens now. This crap has been assaulting her mom for quite a while now. Kinda went from annoyance into potentially lethal overdrive a few years ago.

Extra bonus suck -- the daughter has Crohn's disease and had her first abdominal surgery a few months ago.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:36 AM (xaPEC)

563
Oh well, might as well do my appointed rounds as official closer of dead threads (hey, does this job include any AoSHQ stock options, or at leasta cool logo-ed polo shirt, or a sceptre or something?).

GPS vs. old school navigation. Was interested to learn when I toured the newest USS San Diego (amphibious assault ship) pre-commissioning a few months ago that those on the bridge are required do old-school navigation calculations a certain % of the time to keep those skills sharp. (My father and I toured the previous USS San Diego, a fleet-stores/replenishment ship, just after its commissioning back in 1970(?), just across the same pier, in the place now occupied by the USS Midway aircraft carrier museum, so there was a cool and sort of heavy thing about all this).

weft cut and St Patrick, I see you've been discussing the 30 Carbine. I've got two (a current reproduction and a 1943 Quality Hardware), and love 'em. Completely fun plinking rifle - so small and light, and easy to shoot. Easy to see why they became so popular in some of the close-quarters and limited-visibility fighting in the Pacific (especially, when you lift a can or even a bandolier of Garand ammo, along with the rifle itself). Sure it doesn't pack that big ofa punch, but at closer ranges and without built-up areas for cover, it's rate of fire and point-and-shoot qualities were quite appealing.

The cartridge is pretty easy to reload, too. Especially as the rifle was built for a specific load, which is easy to replicate (15 grains of H110, 110-grain FMJ bullet). I'm going to load a can full and have hopes of getting the freshly imported wife to get to like the little rifle, so I can buy myself some more range time while maintaining international peace.

Posted by: non-purist at December 08, 2012 02:37 AM (afQnV)

564 Good evening St. P Tennessee.
-
I am a middle-Tennessean myself, until '87, when I migrated to NC. But it is still "home". I say "back where I come from" proudly! I am Nashville, Murfreesboro, Waverly, Franklin. My Mother is still Donaldson. I remain a proud Volunteer.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:38 AM (mkb9H)

565 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 02:34 AM (yh0zB)


Well done, sir. The blonde looking straight into the camera was the best of the bunch, IMHO.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:39 AM (lJJMb)

566 'sup.

If you people think you got it bad vis-a-vis Christmas music...I'll bet you don't have to hear Elmo and Patsy nearly as much as I do. Thank G*d the program director hates The Christmas Shoes as much as I do...at least I'm spared that.

I'm trying to keep hopeful, but it's a downer Christmas this year. Me and CW Jr. have a roof over our heads and food in the cupboard, but there's no money for presents or even a tree. All the relatives are at least 200 miles away.

Sorry. Lately every time I post here I'm in a bad mood. I'll just go drown my sorrow in half a jar of peanut butter.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at December 08, 2012 02:40 AM (5J54Q)

567 weft cut and St Patrick, I see you've been discussing the 30 Carbine.
I've got two (a current reproduction and a 1943 Quality Hardware), and
love 'em. Completely fun plinking rifle - so small and light, and easy
to shoot. Easy to see why they became so popular in some of the
close-quarters and limited-visibility fighting in the Pacific
(especially, when you lift a can or even a bandolier of Garand ammo,
along with the rifle itself). Sure it doesn't pack that big ofa punch,
but at closer ranges and without built-up areas for cover, it's rate of
fire and point-and-shoot qualities were quite appealing



Weft-cut was asking about pistols chambered for .30 Carbine out of a liking for the M1 Carbine, but had gotten some bad info regarding its weakness. Sure, it's weak for a rifle round, but it's quite fierce as a pistol round. If 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 are intermediate rifle rounds, . 30 Carbine would be whatever is between intermediate and magnum pistol, no?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:42 AM (lJJMb)

568 GGE. Glad you are present. I hope your Friday finds you well and semi-happy. My best wishes for/to you. Compatriot.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:43 AM (mkb9H)

569 I am a middle-Tennessean myself, until '87, when I
migrated to NC. But it is still "home". I say "back where I come from"
proudly! I am Nashville, Murfreesboro, Waverly, Franklin. My Mother is
still Donaldson. I remain a proud Volunteer.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:38 AM (mkb9H)


Williamson County, TN has been home for me since 1993. Spent birth through middle school in Illinois, and am never going back. This is the place to be in nearly every respect.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)

570 Not to be all cold about it, but yeah - it's
basically multiple failing or floundering systems going into emergency
mode, creating a competition for scarce resources, and finally bringing
the whole system down.
I hope what when my day comes I get to come back as Robocop, but much older.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:35 AM (lJJMb)


I wasn't meaning to be cold -- I feel it deeply, myself. It's a horrible, horrible thing that each step along the cycle seems like it should be no big deal, except it leaves the patient increasingly off-balance for the next step. It increases a fruitless hope, and augments the inevitable despair.

And, yet, overall I am hopeful. I'd love to see Colonel Boyd's work taught in medical schools, as I fervently believe that it would lead to a significant improvement in healthcare. It'll never happen so long as med school is "preparation for the priesthood", and credentialism is king, but I have hope.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:45 AM (kaalw)

571 Am I the only one who's ready to get into the Christmas season already?

Perhaps one last joyous hurrah before DOOM?

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 08, 2012 02:46 AM (sZTYJ)

572 Christmas music!


http://www.bobrivers.com/#v12260c6i31

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 02:47 AM (yh0zB)

573 http://www.famousbirthdays.com/december25.html

Isaac fucking Newton!

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:48 AM (xaPEC)

574 Captain Whitebread- Hello and good evening. I'm sorry if I "infringed" upon yours. The horde seems to be fairly sophisticated enough. I don't think we will be miss-identified, one for the other. Cheers.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:49 AM (mkb9H)

575 I wasn't meaning to be cold -- I feel it deeply,
myself. It's a horrible, horrible thing that each step along the cycle
seems like it should be no big deal, except it leaves the patient
increasingly off-balance for the next step. It increases a fruitless
hope, and augments the inevitable despair.

And, yet, overall I am
hopeful. I'd love to see Colonel Boyd's work taught in medical schools,
as I fervently believe that it would lead to a significant improvement
in healthcare. It'll never happen so long as med school is "preparation
for the priesthood", and credentialism is king, but I have hope.


Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 02:45 AM (kaalw)


My mistake if I wasn't clear - I meant that my summation, e.g. "multiple failing or floundering systems" was something you could say about a piece of machinery. I was the one stating things in a cold manner, not you.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:49 AM (lJJMb)

576 Oh, and Cthulhu - who is Col. Boyd, and what did he teach?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:50 AM (lJJMb)

577 Am I the only one who's ready to get into the Christmas season already?

I've been kinda ignoring Christmas for decades. I do have a red spotlight on a stake I occasionally shine on a nice dwarf palm tree in the front yard at night. That's kinda festive looking and a lot less depressing than snow.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:52 AM (xaPEC)

578 Non-purist,

Among my military friends there is agreement that the Army should require brigades to regularly conduct exercises with nothing but radios and paper maps. No computers, no GPS, no fancy gear at all.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 02:53 AM (HwgHt)

579 Isaac fucking Newton!


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:48 AM (xaPEC)


Genius, and incredible dick as well, like many geniuses. If you like the history of science, I highly recommend "The Scientists" by John Gribbin. I found a giveaway copy of his book "In Search of Schroedinger's Cat" in college, and really enjoyed it. He's a good writer, very approachable, and if you're scientifically / mathematically literate at even a basic level, understandable. Both books are great reads.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:54 AM (lJJMb)

580 All that trick nav stuff ain't worth shit with a dead battery. A map/compass never die suddenly on you.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:55 AM (xaPEC)

581 The blonde looking straight into the camera was the best of the bunch, IMHO.


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:39 AM (lJJMb)



The only problem with the blonde is she ain't a redhead.

I hope your Friday finds you well and semi-happy. My best wishes for/to you. Compatriot.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:43 AM (mkb9H)


And mine to you, all is well here. Heart of Carolina Mustang Club Christmas party in the afternoon and my company Christmas party in the evening, so I'll be busy starting around 9 AM (I'm driving Santa, he has a bright red Mustang convertible sleigh this year). I really should be sleeping, but I had a good nap today.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 02:55 AM (yh0zB)

582 Oh, and Cthulhu - who is Col. Boyd, and what did he teach?

He was a fighter pilot whose theories about aircraft and about decision making in combat had a profound impact on the military. He worked with several others to develop theories about aircraft design that led to the F-16 among others. He also developed the OODA loop, which stands for Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. The basic idea is to get ahead of your opponent in the OODA cycle, forcing them to continually react to your actions.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 02:55 AM (HwgHt)

583 No worries, Capt. Backfire. There's room for more than one Captain around here.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at December 08, 2012 02:55 AM (5J54Q)

584 I've been kinda ignoring Christmas for decades. I do
have a red spotlight on a stake I occasionally shine on a nice dwarf
palm tree in the front yard at night. That's kinda festive looking and a
lot less depressing than snow.


Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 02:52 AM (xaPEC)


I don't decorate for Christmas, but that's because I live close enough to family that I always visit for holidays anyway. There's little chance of depressing snow down here, but at least when it comes, it's entertaining - the entire midstate craps its collective pants.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:56 AM (lJJMb)

585 Oh, and Cthulhu - who is Col. Boyd, and what did he teach?


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:50 AM (lJJMb)


http://www.tacticalresponse.com/d/node/226

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 02:56 AM (yh0zB)

586 Williamson County, TN has been home for me since 1993. Spent birth through middle school in Illinois, and am never going back. This is the place to be in nearly every respect.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:44 AM (lJJMb)
-
Good for you. Williamson Co. is "the" most Republican. Marsha Blackburn is a friend of my folks. Hell, the dogcatcher is a "Big C" conservative.
-
I actually have a little bit of work in Brentwood for Tractor Supply Co. But we are doing work for them from KY to the new Distro. in Macon, GA. Bust out boys! We f'ing love them... They're going to pay for my Xmas bonus.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:57 AM (mkb9H)

587 No computers, no GPS, no fancy gear at all.


Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 02:53 AM (HwgHt)


Drop 'em naked in the woods and let 'em remember that moss grows on the north side of the trees and the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west.

Posted by: Career Ships Sergeant Zim at December 08, 2012 02:59 AM (yh0zB)

588 I actually have a little bit of work in Brentwood
for Tractor Supply Co. But we are doing work for them from KY to the new
Distro. in Macon, GA. Bust out boys! We f'ing love them... They're
going to pay for my Xmas bonus.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 02:57 AM (mkb9H)


Good friend of mine works in logistics for TSC in Brentwood - great company. And yes, Williamson County was named the most conservative-friendly county in the US a while back: http://tinyurl.com/b54p38l . The "guitar-shaped pools" thing is a bit over the top. Most of the county's businesses (>50%) are start-ups in varied fields. Biomed is an up and comer down here.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:01 AM (lJJMb)

589 I also feel obligated to mention, as I've done from time to time, that my hash contains "JMB", while yours do not.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:02 AM (lJJMb)

590 I'm thinking about moving to Knoxville when I burn my house down and buy an RV the last of my kids moves out. Yeah I'll have to deal with snow, but at least the Tail of the Dragon is nearby.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 03:02 AM (yh0zB)

591 Since this is kind of a downer Christmas, a downer song

Joni Mitchell - River

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVwo9IQMWM0

It is a gorgeous song though

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 10:26 PM (wwsoB)


Oh, trust me, I am fully aware this will be a downer Christmas, no song from Joni Mitchell needed.

Speaking of maps, I'm in San Diego. GPS? feh- it's Thomas Guide FTMFW. That's how I roll.

Posted by: Bill H at December 08, 2012 03:02 AM (3sZO1)

592 Weft-cut was asking about pistols chambered for .30 Carbine out of a liking for the M1 Carbine, but had gotten some bad info regarding its weakness. Sure, it's weak for a rifle round, but it's quite fierce as a pistol round. If 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 are intermediate rifle rounds, . 30 Carbine would be whatever is between intermediate and magnum pistol, no?
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:42 AM (lJJMb)



A misconception of the stopping power of the .30 Carbine started around the time of the Korean War. The rumors went round that it wouldn't penetrate thick, multiple layers of clothing. I have never been able to pin the rumors down. Marines in the Pacific loved them. Period. My uncle used it on Okinawa and he praised it highly. My Dad packed one as aircrew on a PBM out of Kwajelin, but that doesn't count (Sorry, Dad).

Ballistically, the .30 Carbine from the 18" barrel of an M-1/M-2 has the kinetic power at 100 Meters that the .357 Mag has at about 50 Meters.

And yes, the .30 Carbine is a long pistol cartridge, not a full bore rifle cartridge. I have three (all former M-2's reconverted back to M-1) and I love them. At realistic engagement ranges of 25-100 Meters, they are very accurate. It will shoot with my CAR-15 out to about 200 Meters then, it groups wider after that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 08, 2012 03:05 AM (TJJ+7)

593 590
I'm thinking about moving to Knoxville when I burn my house down and buy an RV the last of my kids moves out. Yeah I'll have to deal with snow, but at least the Tail of the Dragon is nearby.


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 03:02 AM (yh0zB)


As long as you're good with all that orange, Knoxville is a fine city. There's a ton of beautiful country within a stone's throw of the city.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:06 AM (lJJMb)

594 moss grows on the north side of the trees and the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west.

I know a bunch of city boys from NYC who don't get this that lose their R/C planes out in the bush at the edge of the Glades. They'll stagger around for hours and come back saying they lost their orientation.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 03:10 AM (xaPEC)

595 A misconception of the stopping power of the .30
Carbine started around the time of the Korean War. The rumors went
round that it wouldn't penetrate thick, multiple layers of clothing. I
have never been able to pin the rumors down. Marines in the Pacific
loved them. Period. My uncle used it on Okinawa and he praised it
highly. My Dad packed one as aircrew on a PBM out of Kwajelin, but
that doesn't count (Sorry, Dad).



Ballistically, the .30 Carbine from the 18" barrel of an M-1/M-2 has
the kinetic power at 100 Meters that the .357 Mag has at about 50
Meters.



And yes, the .30 Carbine is a long pistol cartridge, not a full bore
rifle cartridge. I have three (all former M-2's reconverted back to
M-1) and I love them. At realistic engagement ranges of 25-100 Meters,
they are very accurate. It will shoot with my CAR-15 out to about 200
Meters then, it groups wider after that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 08, 2012 03:05 AM (TJJ+7)


From what I've read, the "underpowered" myth can be traced back to two things - grunts scoring hits on an enemy who was wearing heavy clothes where rounds only hit clothing and not flesh, and performance issues with the powder of the day in subzero temperatures. Allegedly one of the additives in the powder which allowed it to function well in high temp / high humidity environments prevented a good burn at very cold temperatures, with muzzle velocities of 650 fps claimed. Since the results would be very difficult to replicate, I guess this will remain anecdotal.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:10 AM (lJJMb)

596 Good friend of mine works in logistics for TSC in Brentwood - great company.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:01 AM (lJJMb)

Yes indeed. Great company! They are what is still right about American business. New parking deck and logistics building on the home campus just bid this week. I think Brasfield and Gorrie are the GC. I am hoping Lithko, Nashville get the "turn-key" concrete package. FWIW.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 03:12 AM (mkb9H)

597 I keep thinking I've got to leave California before the exit tax gets implemented.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:12 AM (GE1+K)

598 >>>with muzzle velocities of 650 fps claimed.

That would sting like the dickens!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:14 AM (GE1+K)

599
Colorado Alex, that's exactly the thinking behind the standard requirement for the Navy bridge personnel to demonstrate their proficiency with traditional methods on a regular basis. And damn right, I would think infantry/mobile land units would be required to be able to operate like it's 1944 at the drop of a hat. There are mental skills and confidence that come from "older" techniques that are very useful in all situations.

St Patrick, I did read your exchang re 30 Carbine in semi-autos. Of course there is the Blackhawk revolver in 30 Carbine.Got to fire one once ata local pistol match - very mild and fun to shoot, with factory ammo. Kinda think I'll go with 45 Long Colt when I get to my own Blackhawk some day, though (something about those huge, old-school-looking cartridges that appeals to me, and I hear they're fun and easy to load).



Posted by: non-purist at December 08, 2012 03:14 AM (afQnV)

600 CA can only get worse...much worse. If you got any inclination to flee, I doubt it gets any better than right now for at least the next 30-50 years.

Posted by: @PurpAv at December 08, 2012 03:14 AM (xaPEC)

601 597
I keep thinking I've got to leave California before the exit tax gets implemented.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:12 AM (GE1+K)


Mike, what do you do for a living? My company has a couple jobs posted right now.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:14 AM (lJJMb)

602 >>>Mike, what do you do for a living? My company has a couple jobs posted right now.

I'm a somewhat rare type of engineer. A controls engineer.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:16 AM (GE1+K)

603 I thought about an M1 carbine but the .30 cal killed it for me.I already have two rifles I have to mail-order or reload ammo for, I want something that I can get hunting rounds for at Wal Mart. .30 cal isn't something that is usually there but 30-06 and .308 you can get all day.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 03:16 AM (yh0zB)

604 I don't know if anyone mentioned it in the Star Trek trailer thread but the official comic series that picks up from the reboot movie has already done the Gary Mitchell story. And they left the Sally Kellerman / Alice Eve character out, saying she withdrew her transfer to the Enterprise when she discovered Dr. McCoy was on board. So the battle with Mitchell goes a bit differently, including the death of Kelso, who was perpetually getting the crap beat out of him on TOS but never died.

This two issue arc launched the series early last year. They already had started production on the upcoming movie, so how is that for misdirection?

Posted by: epobirs at December 08, 2012 03:17 AM (kcfmt)

605 St Patrick, I did read your exchang re 30 Carbine in
semi-autos. Of course there is the Blackhawk revolver in 30 Carbine.Got
to fire one once ata local pistol match - very mild and fun to shoot,
with factory ammo. Kinda think I'll go with 45 Long Colt when I get to
my own Blackhawk some day, though (something about those huge,
old-school-looking cartridges that appeals to me, and I hear they're fun
and easy to load).





Posted by: non-purist at December 08, 2012 03:14 AM (afQnV)


Agree, I think .30 Carbine from a revolver would be a blast, in both a figurative and literal sense. I just can't see a pistol chambered in that cartridge being successful (there was one, once). I don't reload, but the guys I know who do suggest starting with straight-walled pistol cases, so .45LC is perfect, especially since if you're making cowboy loads you won't have to worry about overpressure, assuming you don't drop two loads of powder in the case. You can also cast your own bullets and save even more money if you're of a mind to. IIRC, .45LC can be reloaded for $0.05 / per if loaded light and casting.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:19 AM (lJJMb)

606 GGE- I beg of you. Don't move to Knoxville. You will end up on the evening news, having (at the very least) brandished your piece, in that damning, maddening traffic, in the clusterfuck that is I-40. Don't do it to yourself. Or, if you are a glutton for punishment, move to DC or LA (and, then, shoot at will). ; - )

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 03:21 AM (mkb9H)

607 571
Am I the only one who's ready to get into the Christmas season already?



Perhaps one last joyous hurrah before DOOM?

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 08, 2012 02:46 AM (sZTYJ)


As far as joyous hurrah's before DOOM, I'm reasonably pleased with my progress to date. There's a new Schwab Global account, and I'm trying to liquidate all my ADRs and repurchase selected amounts in actual shares on foreign exchanges. It means a 1% currency-changing fee now, but forever liberation from $20/year ADR charges -- and, you get liquidity (if 1,000,000 shares trade each day on the equity's home market, you'd be fortunate to see 20,000 shares of ADRs trade in the US). Besides which, there are far more companies with shares available through Schwab on foreign exchanges than companies with ADRs traded in US Markets.

I'm trying to shift all my foreign stocks into taxable accounts and US stocks into IRAs. Yeah, that's dumb -- just give away foreign tax credit.

I'm trying to take a bunch of capital gains....being that the favorable tax treatment for them was part of the Bush Tax Cuts that are demonized by the left. Take 'em now at 15% or eat 'em later at 39.6%.

Clean up some of the "dust bunnies" in the corners. For example, I own (somehow) 256 shares of NGGTF.....which are "ordinaries" of National Grid PLC of the UK that trade in the US on the "pink sheets" OTC market....and had trading volume of -0- today. That's right, zippidy-doo-dah. Bupkis. But you can also get the ADR, NGG, which traded 201,350 units where each unit is 5 ordinaries. Or, perhaps, if you like the regular ordinary shares, you could trade em on NG:XLON at 7.07 pounds in London where 4,124,745 shares traded. With my new Schwab Global account, I'm repatriating those bad boys to the London exchange.

And, finally, I'm converting some standard IRAs to Roths. Problem is, you pay tax on that now -- and the time-honored rule is "a tax deferred is a tax avoided" -- but here's the thing: (1) there is no "income-averaging" any more, and (2) the curve for taxes being progressive is about to get steeper, and (3) worst of all, they're floating the "seize the private pensions to bail out Social Security" meme again. So it makes sense (in my case, YMMV) to do a chunk of conversion in any down year.....to prospectively do "income averaging" instead of retrospectively doing so, and to enable someone to snag the Roth IRA from the pension-grabbers if they get closer to their goals.

Anyway, it's keeping me from panhandling on the street, or wearing a sandwich board and parading around the Federal Building downtown, so that's probably enough of a good thing. And steady progress is being made.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 03:22 AM (kaalw)

608 576
Oh, and Cthulhu - who is Col. Boyd, and what did he teach?


Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 02:50 AM (lJJMb)


OMG!!! Read, understand, and watch the world unfold as a blossom to your new understanding -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 03:23 AM (kaalw)

609 I'm a somewhat rare type of engineer. A controls engineer.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:16 AM (GE1+K)


We're looking for a manufacturing supervisor right now, so that's not a great fit unless you want to be like me and wear a jiffy-lube looking uniform with your name on your shirt (goddamned chemistry degree), but this company has a serious hardon for engineers. Bookmark www.cantbeattheexperience.com and check in once in a while.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:23 AM (lJJMb)

610 And damn right, I would think infantry/mobile land units would be
required to be able to operate like it's 1944 at the drop of a hat.
There are mental skills and confidence that come from "older" techniques
that are very useful in all situations.


Yeah... you'd think that. Some of the assessments coming out of the training centers worry me. We've become very dependent on our high tech toys.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 08, 2012 03:24 AM (HwgHt)

611 GPS navigation devices are a fine learning tool if used right. The storage site for my current but soon to end job is in a fairly unfamiliar part of LA County for me. And the nature of the job had me finding my way back to the warehouse from every direction except dropping out of the sly or burrowing beneath the earth, so knowing how to get there from home wasn't enough. Nor was there time for exploring or getting lost, depending on how you look at it.

Thanks to my navigator I was able to get a feel for the neighborhood and the local businesses I needed without wasting time. Of course, after sometime next week the job will be over and I may not have any reason to go anywhere near there for years.

Posted by: epobirs at December 08, 2012 03:26 AM (kcfmt)

612 >>>Bookmark www.cantbeattheexperience.com and check in once in a while

Thanks for the lead.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:30 AM (GE1+K)

613 From what I've read, the "underpowered" myth can be traced back to two things - grunts scoring hits on an enemy who was wearing heavy clothes where rounds only hit clothing and not flesh, and performance issues with the powder of the day in subzero temperatures. Allegedly one of the additives in the powder which allowed it to function well in high temp / high humidity environments prevented a good burn at very cold temperatures, with muzzle velocities of 650 fps claimed. Since the results would be very difficult to replicate, I guess this will remain anecdotal.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:10 AM (lJJMb)


That would explain some things.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 08, 2012 03:30 AM (TJJ+7)

614 AR pistols are cheap and readily available and will outperform .30 pistols in every aspect. .308 pistols are available but probably pretty rough.

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:33 AM (XDC0v)

615 Understanding the reality of the OODA loop is one of the greatest boosts to "knowing what is going on" that most people will ever get. It applies EVERYWHERE and shows how small changes in inputs can overwhelm large, complex systems.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 03:34 AM (kaalw)

616 612
>>>Bookmark www.cantbeattheexperience.com and check in once in a while



Thanks for the lead.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:30 AM (GE1+K)


No problem. Good luck in your search - I can kinda imagine what a controls engineer might be, but I doubt it's what I think it is.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:35 AM (lJJMb)

617 A had an ex-girlfriend who was "cleaning up" for me and threw away my dad's Navy flight jacket

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:38 AM (XDC0v)

618 Don't do it to yourself. Or, if you are a glutton for punishment, move to DC or LA (and, then, shoot at will). ; - )

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at December 08, 2012 03:21 AM (mkb9H)



Can't be as bad as Virginia Beach...can it?


Well, that's it for me roonz and roonettez, I have a busy day planned so I've got to get some shut-eye before it begins. Later!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at December 08, 2012 03:38 AM (yh0zB)

619 614
AR pistols are cheap and readily available and will outperform .30
pistols in every aspect. .308 pistols are available but probably pretty
rough.

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:33 AM (XDC0v)


Correct. That was not the discussion, but correct. I notice your hash contains "XD" which is pretty awesome. Those Springfields are nice pistols - I love mine. In case you're just jumping in, I mentioned earlier that my hash contains "JMB". I believe that the "XD" puts you in a solid 2nd place.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:39 AM (lJJMb)

620 619 Well yeah, except for 13-round mags and the ability to feed hollowpoints all day and night-

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:40 AM (XDC0v)

621 I'm trying not to buy a XD9sc today- that's gonna be my self-discipline trial this weekend

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:42 AM (XDC0v)

622 620
619 Well yeah, except for 13-round mags and the ability to feed hollowpoints all day and night-

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:40 AM (XDC0v)


Well mine's an XDm, so 19 rounders, but "JMB" also means the Ma Deuce, the 1892 Winchester, the Browning Hi-Power, the BAR, and more, above and beyond the 1911.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:44 AM (lJJMb)

623 >>>but I doubt it's what I think it is.

I don't even think we know exactly what it is we do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:45 AM (GE1+K)

624 621
I'm trying not to buy a XD9sc today- that's gonna be my self-discipline trial this weekend

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:42 AM (XDC0v)


The M and P Shield is getting some good reviews as well. Good luck with your trial.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:46 AM (lJJMb)

625 I don't even think we know exactly what it is we do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:45 AM (GE1+K)


Are you the guy who programs and integrates all the sensors / inputs for a particular system such that they all "talk" to each other?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:48 AM (lJJMb)

626
St Patrick, that's what I recall about the 30 Carbine power issues in Korea as well. Especially the cold temps affecting powder ignition and consequently velocity. I believe the story was that ammo produced for the Pacific in WWII was configured for long shelf life in tropical conditions and this resulted in sub-standard results in extreme cold.

In any case, the paper targets I shoot seem to be quite vulnerable to my 30 Carbine reloads. It is a fun little rifle with historic flair (who can forget Col. Bat Guano waving around his carbine while conversing with Group Capt. Mandrake in Doctor Strangelove).

Posted by: non-purist at December 08, 2012 03:49 AM (afQnV)

627 624 Yeah but I'm already heavily invested in the XD platform: 9 and .45 Tacts. So in the interest of mags and accessories etc... I'm staying with da XD's

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:49 AM (XDC0v)

628 .30 carbine is to .38 special as .223 is to 9mm. C'mon Rip Van Winkle join the modern age. I can almost throw 650 fps

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:51 AM (XDC0v)

629 >>>Are you the guy who programs and integrates all the sensors / inputs for a particular system such that they all "talk" to each other?

Data acquisition and integration are definitely part of the job. We also have to design the equipment to act upon what it finds from sensors, in both a discrete "if this then do that", and analog dynamic function where variable outputs are set at different continuous levels to control various inputs in a dynamic system.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 03:54 AM (GE1+K)

630 627
624 Yeah but I'm already heavily invested in the XD platform: 9 and .45
Tacts. So in the interest of mags and accessories etc... I'm staying
with da XD's

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:49 AM (XDC0v)


Since Springfield bought the rights to the HS2000, all they've done is get everything right. Have you kept yours all stock, or done any of the Springer Precision improvements?

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:55 AM (lJJMb)

631 630 Powder River Precision triggers. Makes 'em even better than 1911 triggers. Retarded easy and cheap just follow the Youtube instructions.

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:56 AM (XDC0v)

632 628
.30 carbine is to .38 special as .223 is to 9mm. C'mon Rip Van Winkle join the modern age. I can almost throw 650 fps

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:51 AM (XDC0v)


Not sure I'm getting your point on this one.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 03:57 AM (lJJMb)

633 Mike the Moose check out Budweiser in L.A. - they hire guys like that all the time

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 03:58 AM (XDC0v)

634 .30 carbine and .38 special is nice if you like 70 or 80 year old technology. As for myself I think significant progress has been made and should be taken advantage of. And my wallet agrees as well.

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:00 AM (XDC0v)

635 >>>Mike the Moose check out Budweiser in L.A. - they hire guys like that all the time

Thanks, I already have a good job in California. I was reminiscing that perhaps this is not a great long term place to live anymore.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 04:01 AM (GE1+K)

636 635 Yeah I hear that- now you know how the mexicans feel- forced to leave their home by a government that SUCKS

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:02 AM (XDC0v)

637 >>>forced to leave their home by a government that SUCKS

Yeah well should I leave at least I vow that I won't bring fucked up politics with me to my new home.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 04:05 AM (GE1+K)

638 Well I've got to get to sleep.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Is Shrugging at December 08, 2012 04:07 AM (GE1+K)

639 637 Yeah the problem is that just as the mexicans are too lame to realize the relationship between the gov't they voted for and the lack of economic opportunity in their homeland Californianshave EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:07 AM (XDC0v)

640 634
.30 carbine and .38 special is nice if you like 70 or 80 year old
technology. As for myself I think significant progress has been made and
should be taken advantage of. And my wallet agrees as well.

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:00 AM (XDC0v)


I'd ask where the .38 spl comment came from, since I never mentioned it, but it's time to hit the rack for me.. I think of .30 carbine as a fun cartridge to fire from a milsurp rifle. My carry guns are all 9mm; I have a 1911, but it's just a range toy.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 08, 2012 04:10 AM (lJJMb)

641 I was just making an observation not trying to start a fight...

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:11 AM (XDC0v)

642 A distinction needs to be made between guns for fun and those which represent a platform worth developing and investing in I think

Posted by: DAve at December 08, 2012 04:16 AM (XDC0v)

643 We seem to have stalled.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 04:57 AM (kaalw)

644 Right now, my biggest asset is my home.....and TPTB in California Progressives have been after Prop 13 since it was enacted. I wonder what a doubling of property tax would do home values.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 04:59 AM (kaalw)

645 The thing is, I've known people who have gotten reamed deep and hard by temporarily abandoning California. They sell their house, move away for a couple of years, and think to move back....and find their house doubled while they were away. You might only get one chance to move away.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 08, 2012 05:09 AM (kaalw)

646 Gps devices - dumbing down of America

Posted by: conservative mom in Maryland at December 08, 2012 06:53 AM (4fepB)

647 Hello?

*Thump....Thump*

Is this thing on?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 08, 2012 06:53 AM (7Uvws)

648
The night shift is done and the morning shift hasn't started yet.

Posted by: Ashley Judd has chubby cheeks at December 08, 2012 07:20 AM (voRpZ)

649 SOMEONE WAKE UP THE GOLDBRICKS!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 08, 2012 07:28 AM (0fxcV)

650 I hate GPS. Give me the old days! Man drives. Wife reads map with no fricking sense of direction and trys to tell the husband where to go. Turn on that exit back there! That's one of my favorites!

Its worked (or not) for years. Why screw it up?

Husband refuses to ask for directions (we will figure it out), throws map out window and tells wife please be quiet sweetybug!

I almost threw out the GPS. GPS was the wife's idea.

She just updated it and It had us driving through new road construction, on packed bulldozed earth dodging bulldozers. I guess the update was ahead of construction! Go figure!

I wanted to stop and get the shotgun off the rifle rack and use that GPS for skeet practice.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 07:36 AM (f6XIc)

651 My favorite Christmas song. Yeah, I'm sick.
http://tinyurl.com/a4pnerm

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at December 08, 2012 09:58 AM (TPimP)






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