Hey, Let's Seceede Or Start a Revolution... Said the Left in 2005

This is a good point: Although liberals are laughing at conservatives' frustrations and the very human responses to it, they themselves experienced similar frustrations, and had similar responses to them, after Bush's reelection.

This is an important point: 96% of the reason conservatives are viewed as "weird" or "extreme" or what-have-you is that the media, controlled by the left, covers-up/embargoes their own excesses (and, when forced to report upon such excesses, supply a lot of "context" which justifies these excesses), but of course loves reporting similar conservative statements (without any justifying "context," needless to say).

It hardly needs to be said, at least on the right, that Jonathan Chait was not pilloried as a "hater" for his infamous "Why I Hate George W. Bush" column. Instead, it was celebrated -- among the left, I mean; they didn't broadly report it to the general public -- for how it so daringly captured the real feeling of the left.

Needless to say my own "Why I Hate Barack Hussein Obama" column would not be celebrated as "daring," "honest," "bracing," or "cathartic." It would be a hate crime and a symptom of possibly dangerous impulses.

This is what I hate more than anything else: the hypocrisy, the division of citizens into two classes, the Privileged Class, which has a broad license and range of liberty, and the Disfavored Underclass, whose liberty is sharply restricted.

And they'll call themselves patriots and Sons of the Enlightenment. They're Sons of Gramsci and Sons of Marx and Sons of Mao, not Sons of the Enlightenment.

But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are.


Posted by: Ace at 01:58 PM



Comments

1 This somehow feels unfinished.

Posted by: maloderous at December 07, 2012 02:01 PM (p2s4o)

2 Remember the jesusland map

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:01 PM (uFY4s)

3 Ace---you're inside my head!

Posted by: JeanQueenie at December 07, 2012 02:01 PM (Gmp2Z)

4 "But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are."

To me they will always be cock suckers

Posted by: Mr Pink at December 07, 2012 02:02 PM (Hb1xB)

5 We will finish it

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:02 PM (uFY4s)

6 Also ace can I have my home computer unbanned.

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:03 PM (uFY4s)

7 Exceedingly well-put.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 07, 2012 02:03 PM (kaalw)

8 I revel in my filthy underclass panties.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:03 PM (KUPae)

9 7 isn't he always so

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:04 PM (uFY4s)

10 8 huh

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:04 PM (uFY4s)

11 Yeah, but if liberals secede, what state are they going to take? No one would care if they made their own nation, as a matter of fact, I'd prefer it.

We're the workers, savers and doers. I wish they'd do it, it wouldn't take long for them to be begging to come back.

Posted by: mare at December 07, 2012 02:04 PM (A98Xu)

12 People flooding to this thread in 3 2 1

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:04 PM (uFY4s)

13 But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are.




Posted by: Ace at 01:58 PM


Been there... did that....

Posted by: Barrak "Kenyan" Obama in his book bio at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (lZBBB)

14 Yeah - but it's not just about the process and bystanders, like Cary Tennis or Chait. Our weirdo candidates (Akin) are made to define the entire party, while the crazy talk of their weirdos is embargoed. Obama's 2008 "guns and religion" statements to San Francisco donors were embargoed, while Romney's "47%" comments led the news cycle for three or four days.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (mg08E)

15 Remember the "not my president" bullshit?

Now we have Obama--the epitome of selective representation!

Posted by: JeanQueenie at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (Gmp2Z)

16 Burn the media first.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (GQ8sn)

17 11 also we could invade and rightfully cleanse the land of the vermin

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (uFY4s)

18 For the coming revolution, the Morons and Moronettes are ready-made for the designation sans-culottes given their distinguishing aversion to legwear.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (QKKT0)

19 Yeah, I noticed all the coverage of the death threats against Mitt and riot threat tweets that Twitchy captured from the Left before the election.

As well as all the follow-up articles detailing all the arrests resulting from those threats. Man, there was a shit ton of reporting on that. Oh wait -- there haven't been any arrests.

There hasn't been any reporting either. Go figure.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (ccXZP)

20 If they only marked us as geeks, it wouldn't be so bad. But there's an active effort at intimidating and criminalizing us.

Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (jm/9g)

21 But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are.


So I really am 6'2", with hair to my waist, legs that won't quit and am racktastic as well as being fluent in 22 languages, a crack shot and immensely rich? Score!


It's hilarious, whenever I point out to my friends on the Left that the things they say about conservatives are bigoted and hateful, I'm accused of being a martyr. This usually makes me laugh.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 02:06 PM (VtjlW)

22 They can have Clownifornia.

Posted by: Cato at December 07, 2012 02:06 PM (wJWmk)

23 Been there... did that....

Posted by: Barrak "Kenyan" Obama in his book bio at December 07, 2012 02:05 PM (lZBBB)


You didn't write that.

Posted by: The Fresh Prints of Bill Ayers at December 07, 2012 02:06 PM (feFL6)

24 I thought all underclasses were essentially unclean.

Thought I read that somewhere......

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:06 PM (KUPae)

25





I'm from a traditionally Republican state (Virginia) but
live in New York City now. It really bothers me to go home and listen to
people talk about Tea Partiers like they're weirdos, which is not a reflection
of the Tea Party being weird, but rather a function of these Upper Middle Class
people wanting to seem like they’re anti-status quo and hip for being “Liberal”
in a place where the Tea Party is relatively large. You want to see Liberal? Come to New York City. That watered-down BS you think makes you
countercultural in Virginia is nothing in NYC.
You want to be countercultural?
Be a Tea Partier in NYC.



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Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:07 PM (epWQP)

26 Whoops

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:08 PM (epWQP)

27 The most absurd thing about the libs' cries of revolution is that they apparently planned on revolting without weapons and running their new country without fossil fuels or industry.

Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 02:08 PM (wSc+u)

28 I think the most dangerous messege out there from the Left, is that all cultures are equal....

Once you take Good and Evil, Right and Wrong, out of your cultural measurment system, you stop DEFENDING what is good and right about your OWN culture.

Thus, here in California if I say anything agians La Raza? I'm the bad guy.... thus we have Women groups who do not say anything about Islam... thus its the "gun culture' and not the Black hip hop gang bang culture which leads to violence....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:09 PM (lZBBB)

29 This is what I hate more than anything else: the hypocrisy, the division of citizens into two classes

I wonder, is it hypocrisy? IIRC, the UN Declaration and the European Constitution are more about declaring us all 'free' to adhere to liberal ideas.

Posted by: t-bird at December 07, 2012 02:09 PM (FcR7P)

30 Hey! Let'seceede

Said Texas. Since 1865.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 02:09 PM (GFM2b)

31 Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:07 PM (epWQP)

The barrel is hungry and awaits your presence.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 02:09 PM (ccXZP)

32 So I really am 6'2", with hair to my waist, legs that won't quit and am
racktastic as well as being fluent in 22 languages, a crack shot and
immensely rich?





You owe me a new screen. And no, I wasn't taking a sip of a drink.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 02:09 PM (da5Wo)

33 Who would the left live off if they secede?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (AWmfW)

34 And numerous liberals said they were leaving the country but didn't. I have tried to use measured language about expatriation while I prepare for the possibility that my taxes will become onerous.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (epxV4)

35
Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:07 PM (epWQP)



MS Word strikes again.



Posted by: YIKES! at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (mETGQ)

36 Hmm

Posted by: alexiosososososossoo at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (uFY4s)

37 The "We're Sorry" website with those morose turds looking more pathetic than usual was pretty funny.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (UyQvx)

38 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (5DR1j)

39 This, for me, has always kinda said it all:

History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

The winners always get to write (or rewrite) history. that's why it's such a shame the progressive leftists won the hearts and minds of liberal academia oh, so long ago.

A lot of us "conservatives" I guess got caught up in that whole "those who can't do, teach" adage in our youths - you know, when we were actually out there doing shit...ceding the intellectual field of battle to the progressives.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 02:11 PM (hNXHo)

40 So I really am 6'2", with hair to my waist, legs that won't quit and am racktastic as well as being fluent in 22 languages, a crack shot and immensely rich?

Do continue...

Posted by: t-bird at December 07, 2012 02:11 PM (FcR7P)

41 See: the extreme tea party vs OWS friendlies.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 02:11 PM (AWmfW)

42 Has ace checked with mad as hell today to see of today is a cheat day for true hardcore patriots to relax and do other things yet?

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 02:11 PM (4Iywv)

43 Just embracing my new status. :-)

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:12 PM (KUPae)

44
Who would the left live off if they secede?


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 02:10 PM (AWmfW)


The parasite paradise known as California will demand people in Texas owe them a living.


Posted by: YIKES! at December 07, 2012 02:12 PM (mETGQ)

45 California is a battle ground state, in fact it is the Poster Boy for ALLLL that is wrong in this country.

Posted by: Clemenza at December 07, 2012 02:13 PM (Y+4+t)

46 Has ace checked with mad as hell today to see of today is a cheat day
for true hardcore patriots to relax and do other things yet?


I had to hire a gardener once things really got rolling.

Posted by: Robespierre at December 07, 2012 02:13 PM (QKKT0)

Posted by: Clemenza at December 07, 2012 02:13 PM (Y+4+t)

48 I don't understand why the left hated ol George so much. He did everything they wanted.

And by "everything they wanted" I mean he did basically everything Obama did during his term. You know, the things that got Obama glowing praise, Nobel peace prizes, international fame and glory, etc.

Funny how that works.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 07, 2012 02:14 PM (LOCUC)

49 We should have taken them up on their offer. I am perfectly happy to give them whatever blue state shithole they want in the north east and west. Keep them bottled up there.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:14 PM (GQ8sn)

50 27
The most absurd thing about the libs' cries of revolution is that they
apparently planned on revolting without weapons and running their new
country without fossil fuels or industry.


Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 02:08 PM (wSc+u)

Free access to weapons is a right!! All tyrannies should supply it to its oppressed people!!

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 02:15 PM (AWmfW)

51

This post, tied in with the last, which I finally found time to read (was making a lovely BLT sandwich) is a screed to get out of the box. Get out of the box and enjoy life while out there.

Ace: My discussion along these lines is not really directed at the average conscientious conservative as far as taking action. It's really directed at people who fund and organize conservative causes. It's a suggestion that perhaps we have enough think-tanks and alternative media of the same basic types and perhaps we need to start thinking about other important forms of expression we've been overlooking.

No kidding. I saw someone reference to creating yet another think-tank in a previous thread and thought good grief, THAT's all we need.

I want to point to this video/concept one more time. I'm not a Whittle fanatic, but lately, he's been poking my soul with a deeper meaning of life and a way around all of this phony politicking (and the stress Ace and many of us feel).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s02SypCcYIc

It's long, and disjointed, because it's just after the Romney loss, he seems tired, and his thoughts aren't coalesced, yet.

But, what I take away from it is this. Go live the life you want to live, with rules you make. Create the environment/culture/life outside of all of this bs we are now living in. It's a parallel society in some sense, but he makes it clear it is NOT going Galt. You still need to live within the means of the laws as they currently exist -- like paying taxes. Just walk away from the rest of the bs, create the world you want to live in. Institutions. Research and Development. etc

He's on to something big -- not just creating another conservative think tank.

This is something I could actively engage in, and although my career has been all that I had hoped for. I have thoroughly enjoyed what I have done throughout my life. This could very well be the next phase of my life. Very fulfilling.

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:15 PM (LpQbZ)

52 Everyone get an axe,coffee , flour, sugar , salt pork, ammo ,and a good brush gun.

Posted by: Clemenza at December 07, 2012 02:15 PM (Y+4+t)

53 The most absurd thing about the libs' cries of revolution is that they

apparently planned on revolting without weapons and running their new

country without fossil fuels or industry.



Or baths.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 02:15 PM (QKKT0)

54 Marxist philosophy professor in college loved Gramsci. I couldn't stand him. He hated when I'd ask if we were ever going to read Ayn Rand instead of another marxist philosopher every week(did we ever read Rand? Nope). I'm surprised I still passed the class with a C.

Seeing Ace talk about Gramsci reminds me of how much I utterly despised that class.

Posted by: Brenden at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (wa+SP)

55 I have been trying to stir up some discussion on how to fight.

Instead we just whine.

Stop whinning and let's start a brainstorming thread on fighting the media or better yet taking over enough to break through.

I am sick of whinning. I want to fight but it better to fight together.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (kdfQ/)

56 Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:07 PM (epWQP)

Thou shalt not cut-and-paste from any Microsoft Product.

Posted by: YIKES! at December 07, 2012 02:12 PM (mETGQ)

*ahem* "Come and take it."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (5DR1j)

57 Quebec wants to seceede and make me their king! As Rosie says: "Google it!!"

Posted by: Alex Trebek at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (ypzqs)

58 Hey, Let's Seceede Or Start a Revolution.

___

That's eeeeeasy for you to say!

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (DrC22)

59 >>>>And by "everything they wanted" I mean he did basically everything Obama did during his term. You know, the things that got Obama glowing praise, Nobel peace prizes, international fame and glory, etc.

I've done as much for world peace as Obama did to get the Nobel.

Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (4Iywv)

60 Its becoming a problem for left and right. Our worldviews are now diametrically opposed and yet, because of lack of federalism we are forced to live with each others decisions. Most marriages fall apart not due to something sexy like actual sex, but due to financial reasons. Here we have the left playing the part of the spendthrift housewife who can't get enough Louis Vuitton and insists on keeping dad and his work crap in the garage. The bank accounts are empty, and credit cards maxed. I wonder if soon a "no fault divorce" is in order.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (t06LC)

61 This post, tied in with the last, which I finally found time to read (was making a lovely BLT sandwich) is a screed to get out of the box. Get out of the box and enjoy life while out there.


Well, I would but Outside keeps trying to kill me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 02:17 PM (VtjlW)

62 And they'll call themselves patriots and Sons of the Enlightenment. They're Sons of Gramsci and Sons of Marx and Sons of Mao, not Sons of the Enlightenment.



They're sons of bitches.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 07, 2012 02:17 PM (6BgmB)

63 Every comment I make threatens to be a I hate Obama comment.

As an aside, I had to talk to my minister about my feelings after the election. It's good to remember that hate is easy and enjoyable. Hate doesn't require anything of you but that you embrace it. Love, on the other hand, does.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:17 PM (QupBk)

64 Well, I would but Outside keeps trying to kill me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 02:17 PM (VtjlW)



Damn squirrels.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 02:18 PM (da5Wo)

65 The media is the root of the problem. With it we can expose the corrupt educational system.

We need to take over or replace at least one of the big networks.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 07, 2012 02:18 PM (kdfQ/)

66 Its becoming a problem for left and right. Our
worldviews are now diametrically opposed and yet, because of lack of
federalism we are forced to live with each others decisions. Most
marriages fall apart not due to something sexy like actual sex, but due
to financial reasons. Here we have the left playing the part of the
spendthrift housewife who can't get enough Louis Vuitton and insists on
keeping dad and his work crap in the garage. The bank accounts are
empty, and credit cards maxed. I wonder if soon a "no fault divorce" is
in order.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:16 PM (t06LC)

Repealing the 17th Amendment would help.(yes, I know, a pipe dream)

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (KUPae)

67 Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (+lsX1)

68 Where the hell was I when the Left was proposing secession? I would have been on the forefront of the fightto allowthem to proceed.

I got news for the left. They need us. We don't need them. That's why they are squealing like Napoleon.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (m2CN7)

69
But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are.


Ah, like Bammy and his "Kenyan" birth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (4df7R)

70
"16 Burn the media first."

This.

It is essential, if we're ever going to have a chance, to take out the media in it's current form. This is done through calling out and embarrassing on-air personalities and producers, by having facts of past transgressions on hand when interviews are conducted.

An organization like the Heritage Foundation has the resources and research assets to supply the preparatory material to conservatives prior to appearances.

We can't just fight the political side without dealing with media.

Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (ZDsRL)

71





Have you seen this? Not sure who wrote it but found it in my inbox and thought it was well written.

Well, It's official; I don't know anything.I thought for sure that given such a clear choice, Americans would vote for love of country over revenge.I was wrong.I thought, that just as every presidential election in my lifetime, the bad economy would be hung around the incumbent's neck, sinking him.I was wrong.I thought that even those few Americans who were fortunate enough to still be fully employed (not counting those leeching off the public system) would be cognizant of how much pain their neighbors were in and elect someone who would at least try to make improvements.I was wrong.I thought that now that FINALLY some of the disturbing truths about our first black president had come to light, voters would reject a man so dangerously at odds with the American experience.I was wrong.I thought the 2010 elections and the Tea Party meant something.I was wrong.I thought the enthusiasm on display at Romney/Ryan events, contrasted with the lack of same at Obama/Biden events meant something.I was wrong.I thought Americans would never sell their liberty for the sake of trinkets like cell phones or even big shiny lies like 'free health care'.I was wrong.Never in a million years would I have supposed that America would support a president who left his (our) people to die at the hands of our enemies overseas without lifting a hand to help, then lie about what he watched in real time for over two weeks, then lie about the lie for another month.I was wrong.I thought Americans could tell a hawk from a handsaw.I was wrong.We were offered the clearest choice we've had since 1980, where we had malaise and a misery index on one hand and a shining city on a hill on the other. Back then, we chose the city on the hill. This time the choice was between a man who says 7.9% unemployment and $4.00 gas is the new normal and a guy whose entire career has been about fixing broken entities.We chose to stay broken.. And Broke.
Maybe, I'm wrong about the ramifications of this choice. Maybe, windmills will actually turn out to be a viable energy source. Maybe, America diminished will be loved overseas. Maybe, a nuclear Iran won't be a threat. Maybe, Israel is over reacting. Maybe, western civilization was always over rated. Maybe, life under sharia is fun. Maybe, when the rest of the world realizes that we have no intention of ever paying back that $16,000,000,000,000.00 (and counting) that we've borrowed from them, they won't devalue the dollar, causing hyper inflation here at home. Maybe, China will just keep on giving us money and not demand our hearts, souls, national monuments and marriageable daughters as payment. I've watched my candidates lose elections before, but I've never felt the way I did November 06, 2012 when this one was called for Obama.It wasn't bitterness or sadness or even disappointment. It took me a while to figure out what it was. Then it hit me; it was horror!!Pure, unadulterated horror!Not because of Obama, but because of what it says about us, the American people, that we chose this.It shouldn't have even been close. Faced with the choice between taking charge of our destiny and tackling our financial problems, we opted to get high and have sex. We re-elected a guy who doesn't understand that a growing economy that creates more tax payers will bring in more revenue than higher taxes. A Commander in Chief who doesn't know our military still uses bayonets. A man who wants to control the economy without even knowing the difference between bankruptcy and liquidation. It was one thing to elect an unknown quantity, buying his line of 'Hope and Change'. It's something else to deliberately choose his failed policies over someone who has actually achieved success in life. I never dreamed America would do that.Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, Hello Idiocracy!Goodbye, recovery.Goodbye, energy independence.Goodbye, religious liberty.Goodbye, liberty and justice for all.Goodbye, American dream. It profits a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world, but we threw ours away for cell phones and birth control pills.In the twentieth century (the American Century), we stepped up to the plate three times and saved the rest of the world from fascism, nazism and communism. We were the cavalry, always riding to the rescue.Now, we've gotten rid of our horses, spent all our money on windmills, alienated our allies, bowed to our enemies, cut ourselves off from our own natural resources thrown away our children's birthright and spent their inheritance.And, we did it on purpose.When the wolf is at the door (and he's coming, yelling 'Allahu Akbar') we're going to find out that there is no one out there to come to our rescue.On the bright side maybe, it'll all turn out great? After all, I don't know anything!


Posted by: Big AL in CHGO at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (iWo0u)

72 Yes, I will remember not to cutnpaste from emails in the future. Looks better to my boss that I'm writing an email rather than posting right-wing propaganda.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (epWQP)

73 Obama is actually doing the things they pretended Bush was doing. The ultimate case of Libtard Projection.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (YmPwQ)

74 Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (+lsX1)

That's exactly what the Tories said in 1776.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (m2CN7)

75 El Komandante--you beat me to it.

Every time I encounter someone who 'goes off' about GWB, I just have to ask them-- how then, can they stand BHO?

Usually get told f.u. or shutup--never a valid argument.

Posted by: JeanQueenie at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (Gmp2Z)

76 Posted by: Big AL in CHGO at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (iWo0u)

Paragraphs, old boy. Paragraphs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (QKKT0)

77 O/T, Rand Paul is on Team LIB
http://tinyurl.com/cswx7om
Also, LIB mentioned several times on Red Eye last night. Jump on in, the water is fine boys and girls!!

Posted by: CaptianL.I.B. at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (3YN0H)

78 I got news for the left. They need us. We don't need them. That's why they are squealing like Napoleon.

Yep. Unsure about the "squealing like Napoleon" part though...

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (epWQP)

79 @66
Yep. And yet, I'm keeping an eye on the EU, Spain, and Catalonia in particular.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (t06LC)

80

The Empire Continues To Strike Back.


Message: You wingnuts are no better than the lib wingnuts.

Got it.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (1Y+hH)

81 Hey Trebek! I pose to you a conundrum. A riddle, if you will!

Posted by: Sean Connery at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (BtpVq)

82 Create the environment/culture/life outside of all of this bs we are now living in.

Sarah Hoyt has a good post up which is vaguely related to this. Link in name. (Because I'm supposed to be working right now.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (QF8uk)

83 So, have scientists made the link from toxoplasmosis in cats to the behavior of flaming leftists yet? I saw the possible link to schizophrenia, and the flaming leftists can be far from that.

Posted by: tcn at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (VLG62)

84 Yes, I will remember not to cutnpaste from emails in the future. Looks better to my boss that I'm writing an email rather than posting right-wing propaganda.
Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:20 PM (epWQP)

What's cuntpaste?

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:23 PM (t06LC)

85 Yep. Unsure about the "squealing like Napoleon" part though...
Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (epWQP)

Napoleon the communist pig not Napoleon the French guy.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 02:24 PM (m2CN7)

86 @78
I think thats an "Animal Farm" refrence, not the actual Nepoleon

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:24 PM (t06LC)

87
What's cuntpaste?

Isn't that a yeast infection?

Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 02:25 PM (ZDsRL)

88
Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (+lsX1)



The idiocy is the belief that it isn't going to burn. It's burning and will continue to burn until the collapse of the welfare state and the economy, which is not in its' early death throes.


$4.50 promised in future benefits for every dollar of available future revenue. Square that circle, Lowell Weicker wing.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 02:25 PM (1Y+hH)

89 Heh, got it. Thanks.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:25 PM (epWQP)

90 "This is what I hate more than anything else: the hypocrisy, the
division of citizens into two classes, the Privileged Class, which has a
broad license and range of liberty, and the Disfavored Underclass,
whose liberty is sharply restricted."

No, your liberty to say and spread it around is as it ever was.

I think you mean consequences are different from the one class to the other.

Posted by: Erik at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (JYcrp)

91 @79 Being a Texan and a big fan of Lionel Messi, I too am rooting for Catalonia!

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (KUPae)

92

I've watched as one of my brothers raised their children with no TV, basically no movies, or at least "approved" movies.

Both parents very conservative, trying to raise their three children the same.

As soon as their oldest went to university (recently), the liberal ideology spewed forth.

Brainwashing is easy on the young. And, it's very hard to shield them.

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (LpQbZ)

93
I could easily rise to the level of hate for Barry Oflustercluck if I let myself, mostly I just hold him in contempt.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (n/ubI)

94 Offering this up for consideration again: let's stop calling the 'pubbies the GOP. They are not a Grand Ole Party. They are a bedraggled, dazed, drunken, slothful, lugubrious, pompous and obese party. There is nothing grand about them, and there hasn't been for quite some time.

Drop the moniker, or change it entirely. I recommended DOP (Dead Ole Party) yesterday, but anything will do. Not only would it serve to let the 'pubbies know that a LOT of the base is no longer with them, but it would force the left to realize that it's not going to be business as usual anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (4df7R)

95 So I really am 6'2", with hair to my waist, legs that won't quit and am racktastic as well as being fluent in 22 languages, a crack shot and immensely rich? Score!

I always saw you in my mind as 5'5". But yeah, everything else is the same.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 07, 2012 02:27 PM (ohl8C)

96 Remember the people who were so depressed after Bush was (re)elected that they formed counseling specialties and support groups? Remember the woman who was so angry that she had fawning articles describing how she woke up so angry every day?

We rightly called those people crazy.

Posted by: Hal at December 07, 2012 02:28 PM (MftY/)

97 This is the result of losing the culture war.

Think of all the things that are considered "good" by the left, pot, promiscuity, homosexuality, socialism, abortion, euthanasia, gun control, the Kennedys, which are actually destructive to the individual and society at large.
They encourage these behaviors in the masses, while not partaking in them themselves for the most part knowing them to be destructive.
At the same time they label as "bad" American History, Christianity, gun ownership, adoption, self control, patriotism, the boy scouts, all of which has a positive effect on the individual and society at large. And because they control the levers of culture their definitions stick.
We're living Orwell's reality for sure now. And we have to wrest back the levers of culture from the libs.

Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2012 02:28 PM (U0ndG)

98 It's speled succeed dumbass.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2012 02:28 PM (fsLdt)

99 Late and someone may have already covered this:


Needless to say my own "Why I Hate Barack Hussein Obama" column would
not be celebrated as "daring," "honest," "bracing," or "cathartic." It
would be a hate crime and a symptom of possibly dangerous impulses.



Shit ace, if we don't kowtow in the manner of 15th century Chinese and we dare to criticize anything he says or does we are evil racists and should either be stoned or hung.


I can't imaging what they would do if you actually said you hated him.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:28 PM (YdQQY)

100 67
Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and
petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM

Yes, and the Republican Party for sure will find their balls and stop the guys with the matches and gasoline

Got it

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (wwsoB)

101 Meh. The people closest to the fire burn first. Let it burn.

Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (V1oS8)

102 Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (LpQbZ)

Inoculation is a better defense than just hoping they'll never be exposed.

I remember my Uncle and Aunt trying to raise their son without violence (he wasn't allowed to watch the Power Rangers, for goodness sake.) Came over to our house once, and within 15 minutes had found a box of blocks of some kind, fashioned a "gun" out of them, and was walking around "shooting" people.

You won't keep them away from that stuff, so it's better to make sure they're prepared for it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (5DR1j)

103 State-controlled media + State bribing 51+% of the population = the death of conservatism/libertarianism for at least 30 years. It's just math and time.

FDR destroyed conservatism/libertarianism from 1932-1960.

But throw in unlimited importation of statists from Mexico ...and we might be looking at 100 years plus.

Posted by: Henry George at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (Bv9qa)

104 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (4df7R)

May I suggest.... Dead Old Party Establishment??? ie... DOPE?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (lZBBB)

105 When the shooting starts the media should be the first target

Posted by: TC at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (vYB+W)

106 Ooh I'm gonna get me a light saber...!

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (I2LwF)

107 [io]I can't imaging what they would do if you actually said you hated him.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:28 PM (YdQQY)

Let's find out.

I HATE BARACK OBAMA!

(I know this is just a comment, not a post, but who the hell reads the posts? It's all about the comments, baby!)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (4df7R)

108 You guys have a persecution complex. Or are paranoid. Or both.

Victims, you are always victims. Oy.

Posted by: Olaf at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (t1NLo)

109 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:26 PM (4df7R) May I suggest.... Dead Old Party Establishment??? ie... DOPE?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:29 PM (lZBBB)


I LOVE IT.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (4df7R)

110 I don't understand why the left hated ol George so much. He did everything they wanted.

Same reason Ted Kennedy went apoplectic when Nixon agreed to sign single-payer health care (yes, that happened). Libs believe everything they do is going to be so mega-successful that it wouldn't do to have conservatives take even one iota of credit for it.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (B/VB5)

111 You guys have a persecution complex. Or are paranoid. Or both.



Victims, you are always victims. Oy.

Posted by: Olaf at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (t1NLo)

That's rich!

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (KUPae)

112 That's exactly what the Tories said in 1776.

Right. They said, "oh yeah if King George wants to tax us without representation let's just give it to him and then when it all goes to shit everyone will know we were right and a perfect union will rise from the ashes because all those idiots will finally see that we were right!" Thanks for the history lesson dummy.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (+lsX1)

113 LOL! Pinched lOaf is accusing US of being victims? OMG, gut. is. SPLITTING!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (4df7R)

114 Apropos of nothing, if I could get memory chips implanted in my head, I would. Not the full cyborg, probably, but moving my memories to solid state would be handy.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (evdj2)

115 Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005.

Not petulant. The left is intent on ruuning this country into the ground.
Stand back & let them.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (GFM2b)

116 Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:07 PM (epWQP)


Since nobody told you, you must run all cut and paste through notepad before posting them here to strip the non-ASCII code out of it.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (YdQQY)

117 Fuck

Fuck Fuck Fuck

Fuck you Gangnam Style

Heyyyyyyy You Little Fuckerrrrrrr
-----

PSY cursed Americans after a South Korean missionary was executed. His song “Dear American” sets the record straight.

“Kill those f***ing Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives/Kill those f***ing Yankees who ordered them to torture/Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law and fathers/Kill them all slowly and painfully,” he raps.

Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (fWAjv)

118 just got a cup of wendy's coffee it is AWESOME!!! i must disclose that i did work for wendy's as a sandwich maker and cashier in the 80's but aside from that their coffee is really good!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (GVxQo)

119 Olaf in 2005: omg fascist police state

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (60GaT)

120 When the shooting starts the media should be the first target

^^This x10000

I'm a little surprised that some of this hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: GMan at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (sxq57)

121 false false false

=====

That's kind of what ACE was saying.

Posted by: uterus cannon at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (3ZtZW)

122 (I know this is just a comment, not a post, but who the hell reads the posts? It's all about the comments, baby!)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM (4df7R)

I think Ace meant "say it" in a broadcast media forum.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (YdQQY)

123 @117: Pop star is leftist, film at 11.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 02:33 PM (B/VB5)

124 Also, LIB mentioned several times on Red Eye last night.

"TV's Andy Levy" on board......His cats too.

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 02:33 PM (+paCV)

125 Saying the reactions on the Right after Obama wasreelected and the reactions of the Left after Bush was reelected are alike is like saying the wars in Iraq and Vietnamwere alike.

Logical comparisons are not the strong suit of the Left.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 02:33 PM (m2CN7)

126 Olaf in 2005: omg fascist police state


Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:32 PM (60GaT).


I'm still waiting for Dick Cheney's secret Haliburton army to suspend the 2008 elections and for Bush to be president for life

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 02:34 PM (1Jaio)

127 kbdabear, I'm not seeing anyone with matches and gasoline. A lot of bullshit talk on comment sections, but I could just as easily find that on lefty sites. Difference is, the Occupy people actually have lit fires.

I'm tired of this "let it burn" shit too, because there's not a person here who is going to start a fire. Some have a different meaning on "let it burn" (aka let the Dems have their way and get the blame when it fails) but as Ace's post points out, we'll still catch the blame.

Let It Burn wild flavor won't happen, and Let It Burn mild only screws us. I don't have any answers as to what to do, but Let It Burn isn't the solution.

Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 02:34 PM (Tlix5)

128 Olaf is an unrepentant pedophile. He has been dodging the sex offender registry ever since he molested, murdered, and ate several six-year-old boys in the 80s and 90s.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 02:34 PM (I2LwF)

129 Oh... and for the Record.... I have become a Westy!

Alan West for President 2016...

He's not perfect... but at least he is actualy on America's side...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:34 PM (lZBBB)

130 Andrew used to say that pointing out hypocrisy enraged the libs more than anything and alsogave him the most joy of anything else in the conservativearsenal.

I miss Andrew. A lot.

Sigh.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 07, 2012 02:34 PM (tQHzJ)

131 So I really am 6'2", with hair to my waist, legs that won't quit and am racktastic as well as being fluent in 22 languages, a crack shot and immensely rich? Score!

Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Kleenex.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 07, 2012 02:35 PM (zF6Iw)

132 I'm still waiting for Dick Cheney's secret Haliburton army to suspend the 2008 elections and for Bush to be president for life

And apparently Bush's extermination camps for homosexuals were successful because we haven't heard a peep out of a single one since 2005. o.O

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (/kI1Q)

133 I don't have any answers as to what to do, but Let It Burn isn't the solution.


Let It Burn is an inevitability.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

134 Today's Let it Burn idiocy on the right is every bit as whiny and petulant as the lefty threats to flee the country were in 2005. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:19 PM (+lsX1)
I don't agree with the LiB crowd, but understand and empathize with their position. Truth is, it's going to burn anyway. We're only one uncashable government check away from rioting in the streets, and that day's comingno matter what temporary bromide the federal government dreams up to magically sustain the unsustainable.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (vtiE6)

135 Hmm. I'm stuck in a house with 30 cats that we can't get rid of. My bleeding heart wife was running a cat rescue out of our home, and we had over 75 of the damn things at one time. She had a nervous breakdown and developed bi-polar disorder before we could find homes for all of them. I wonder if she developed her mental illness from toxoplasmosis due to all the damn cats?

Yeah, my life sucks. I'm trapped in a dilapidated house full of 30 cats; all of my possessions have been destroyed by the cats; we have no TV (not really a problem...) or furniture due to the cats; and my wife is a barely functional human being.

83
So, have scientists made the link from toxoplasmosis in cats to the
behavior of flaming leftists yet? I saw the possible link to
schizophrenia, and the flaming leftists can be far from that.


Posted by: tcn at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (VLG62)

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (cv5Iw)

136 108
You guys have a persecution complex. Or are paranoid. Or both.



Victims, you are always victims. Oy.

Posted by: Olaf at December 07, 2012 02:30 PM

I'm waiting for you to tell us about that show you've written where the wise and knowing children always straighten out their dopey parents has been approved for a pilot by network suits

Because you know ... That's the REAL world and it'll be a hit

Posted by: Russell Dalrymple at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (wwsoB)

137 Let It Burn is an inevitability.

It's smoldering now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (evdj2)

138 @134
I think the current plan is magic platinum coin from nowhere. Seriously.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (t06LC)

139 lol@this WaPo writer immediately adding some nuance to the Psy thing

http://tinyurl.com/arft273

i'm not broken up about it. it's just, ya know, interesting how charitable libs are...to non-Americans 'course.

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:37 PM (60GaT)

140 I don't agree with the LiB crowd, but understand and empathize with their position. Truth is, it's going to burn anyway.

Hence the term. "Let it Burn" implies refusal to do anything to stop the inevitable. MAKE it Burn would be more appropriate for those who advocate an active hand in the impending crash.

I waffle between both positions. Somedays I'm feeling more MIBy than others.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:37 PM (4df7R)

141 Olaf is an unrepentant pedophile. He has been dodging the sex offender registry ever since he molested, murdered, and ate several six-year-old boys in the 80s and 90s.

Chris Matthews just said you can never prove that someone didn't say something, so by MSNBC standards you can now make shit up and it's all good. (This was after he got called out for using fake Churchill quotes).

Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 02:38 PM (B/VB5)

142 Somedays I'm feeling more MIBy than others.

I know the feeling. When the inevitable is near, if feels better to be the actor rather than the acted upon no matter the result.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (evdj2)

143 Posted by: Pyrocles at December 07, 2012 02:36 PM (cv5Iw)

Uh..... as someone who is a Men Going their Own Way type... as well as a charter Member of DAMM (Drunks Agianst Mad Mothers)....

Uhhhh.... take a hint from Mrs. Reagan? and just say NO?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (lZBBB)

144 Let It Burn isn't so much a call to anarchy, it's accepting the futility of trying to save a sinking ship while the officers are boring holes in the hull

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (wwsoB)

145 yup, the media is probably even more one sided than ever, and shit like this (basically all lefty bad behavior) is embargoed.

And the right wing media is dissolving, fully embargoed, and lacks conviction.

so, we burn. it's not a question of letting.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (QxSug)

146 Fucking Human Nature? How does it work?!?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (evdj2)

147 I'm a little surprised that some of this hasn't happened yet.
Posted by: GMan


I am too. I almost expected a reverse South American "kill the press war" except instead of Right wing dictator/death squad types blowing up Leftist La Prensa I would think of individual journalists getting gunned down from crazies on both political sides. Might already be a huge spike in threats---explains the MFM suddenly demanding gun control again.
We're lucky it hasn't become a shooting civil war here yet.

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (+paCV)

148 @138 - Zany, Mr Burns-heavy episode to follow.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at December 07, 2012 02:40 PM (epWQP)

149 I think the current plan is magic platinum coin from nowhere. Seriously.

We talked about that yesterday. I can't believe we're at the point where the Fed is actually considering making a $1 trillion coin. Why not make a pallet full of them? We'd be set for the next 4 years! LOL!!!

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:40 PM (GQ8sn)

150 Not petulant. The left is intent on ruuning this country into the ground.

Stand back let them.


Yes, there is no petulance whatsoever in that statement. Well done. It's like that time when that girl wanted to break up with you so you punched yourself in the face to show her how much you cared about her. It was the most logical course of action.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:40 PM (+lsX1)

151 I do not want to secede that is the last resort. What needs to be done in order of priority:

1. Article V convention using the same voting as the previous 2 conventions. Fix all the crap and add a provision that any State that does not agree to all the provisions after ratification may exit and form their own union. (Talking about you CA, NY, and NE) This provided they agree to assume a population prorated percentage of the debt.)

2. If we can't get that because States don't agree, then work on assuming the Statehouses of all the Red States with that target in mind. There are more than enough Red States to call for an Art V convention.


3. If we can't do that then letter writing campaign to the House to "shut it down" if the Commies don't agree to make immediate significant cuts to the budget eliminating whole departments.


4. If that doesn't work start targeting RINOs.


5. Last option, burn it down.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:41 PM (YdQQY)

152 re: "We rightly called those people crazy."

The thing is, if you were a Democrat, to get worked up about Bush, everything you thought about him had to be bullshit. He was just another Connecticut liberal Republican, totally average politician, doing totally average center-lefty stuff, pitching wars he didn't have a plan to win (like some kinda Democrat!), etc.

To believe in "The Jesusland Cowboy," you had to believe. And that's crazy.

There are certainly some imaginary Obamas out there who are hated/feared/etc. more than the actual guy should be, but beneath all that imagining is an actual guy who, if you're a conservative, hates you and is trying to fuck your life up.

The actual Bush didn't have that relationship to the people who hated him. He liked them better than he liked the people who supported him.

Posted by: oblig. at December 07, 2012 02:41 PM (cePv8)

153

This was from yesterday, but this (O/T) post from Legal Insurrection sure hit the spot:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/12/republican-house-better-not-abandon-59142004-voters/

Charles Krauthammer has it right in a post at NRO tonight, It’s Nothing But a Power Play:

Obama’s objective is to fracture the Republican majority in the House

What’s going on here? Having taken Boehner’s sword, and then his shirt, Obama sent Geithner to demand Boehner’s trousers….

What should Republicans do? Stop giving stuff away. If Obama remains intransigent, let him be the one to take us over the cliff. And then let the new House, which is sworn in weeks before the president, immediately introduce and pass a full across-the-board restoration of the Bush tax cuts.

Obama will counter with the usual all-but-the-rich tax cut — as the markets gyrate and the economy begins to wobble under his feet.

Result? We’re back to square one, but with a more level playing field. The risk to Obama will be rising and the debt ceiling will be looming. Most important of all, however, Republicans will still be in possession of their unity, their self-respect — and their trousers.

...


Jacobson:

John Boehner has a choice. Participate in the destruction of the Republican majority in the House and abandon 59,142,004 people who voted against Obama, or …

Choose the Christmas Strategy, and make Obama take us off the cliff.

You don’t understand how angry those 59,142,004 voters are right now at the humiliation you are enduring but which is directed at us.


Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:41 PM (LpQbZ)

154 let's start a brainstorming thread on fighting the media or better yet taking over enough to break through.

I'm not so sure we have to fight the media. Just start one, serve the other half of the country with NO lip service to progressive ideals.

Posted by: t-bird at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (FcR7P)

155 I know the feeling. When the inevitable is near, if feels better to be the actor rather than the acted upon no matter the result.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (evdj2)


Or, as ace said in the previous thread, it feels better to DO than to WATCH.

I think there's an element of agency in the LiB camp, too, though. Namely that while the rest of the country collapses around us, we as individuals can do what we know we NEED to do to prepare ourselves and our loved ones. We're not going to stop this downfall, so what we have to do is build our own fortifications and fire breaks to keep the worst of it at bay.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (4df7R)

156 Let It Burn wild flavor won't happen, and Let It Burn mild only screws us. I don't have any answers as to what to do, but Let It Burn isn't the solution.

You have 121 TRILLION dollars stuffed in your mattress? Deficit PLUS unfunded liabilites? Math is hard. However, math doesn't care if you "get it", or not. The bills have to be paid and the country is broke. It WILL burn. Regardless of what you want.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (GFM2b)

157 We talked about that yesterday. I can't believe
we're at the point where the Fed is actually considering making a $1
trillion coin. Why not make a pallet full of them? We'd be set for the
next 4 years! LOL!!!


Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:40 PM

I can see Joe Biden getting a trillion dollar coin lost in a vending machine

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (wwsoB)

158 We talked about that yesterday. I can't believe
we're at the point where the Fed is actually considering making a $1
trillion coin. Why not make a pallet full of them? We'd be set for the
next 4 years! LOL!!!


Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:40 PM (GQ8sn)

The "coin" BS came from a couple of stupid economists, not the admin.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (YdQQY)

159 Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (wwsoB)

Yup.... its Apathy, not Anarchy....

Its the realization that this Battle is lost.... that you do not reinforce failure... but its time to prepare for the aftermath...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:42 PM (lZBBB)

160 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:31 PM (+lsX1)

You're right. I should not have used that wording as it conveyed a literal sentiment. My point that I intended to make was that the Tories were content with the status quo and anticipated it would get better. They also thought the proponents of independence were petulant and whiny.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 02:43 PM (m2CN7)

161 It's time to repeal and replace the Republican Party with something better - http://tinyurl.com/b3dskvj

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 07, 2012 02:43 PM (+inic)

162
A revolution from the left would be absolutely hilarious.

I'd welcome the army of hipster losers and silver ponytails anytime.

Revele at the crack of noon!

Posted by: MJ at December 07, 2012 02:43 PM (TR60b)

163
Hey Ace,Not to stomp on Instapundit's parade, but I think Prof. Jacobson over at LI scooped a similar story quite some time ago:
Link in Nick.

Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 02:44 PM (GaqMa)

164 Even if the secession happened it would be doomed.

After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.

Posted by: Invictus at December 07, 2012 02:44 PM (OQpzc)

165 27The most absurd thing about the libs' cries of revolution is that they apparently planned on revolting without weapons and running their new country without fossil fuels or industry.
Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 02:08 PM (wSc+u)This would be an example of the difference between a tantrum and an epic ass whoopin'

Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2012 02:45 PM (yw6Hr)

166 If this really is a nation of 51% takers then the article V convention would be a huge disaster, but I'm all for giving it a try to find out one way or the other.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 07, 2012 02:45 PM (epxV4)

167 The ship is already on fire...hence LiB. You can take action and begin to put it out...or keep posting comments on blocgs...doing nothing...and tor failure to do anything constructive through inaction is by default letting it burn. If you don't want it to burn you had better get your ass in gear. The GOP is complicit. The RINOs in charge are fanning the fire. Those who don't actively work to change things are letting it burn...like John Bombidil.

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 07, 2012 02:45 PM (m2QQ8)

168 Here's the truth:

Democrats can't secede. They need Republicans to fund them.

They tell us they're the 'party of the poor,' remember, and the GOP is the 'party of the rich.' They want to raise money only from the rich. QED, buy their voters with R money.

Where will they get the money without Republicans?

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 02:46 PM (RDP+N)

169 If this really is a nation of 51% takers then the
article V convention would be a huge disaster, but I'm all for giving it
a try to find out one way or the other.


Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 07, 2012 02:45 PM (epxV4)

You obviously are not familiar with the voting rules in the first two conventions. Each Colony/State got 1 vote.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:46 PM (YdQQY)

170 >>>You guys have a persecution complex. Or are paranoid. Or both.


Victims, you are always victims. Oy.


I'm sure when ole TJ said "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" in Stuff TJ Really Said VOL 1 he was convinced that folks who wanted to keep government and tyrants out of their lives had nothing to worry about.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 02:46 PM (0q2P7)

171
I supported and voted for McCain and Romney, even though I registered independent in 2007 when it became obvious that Republicans were actively complicit in ensuring America's insolvency.


Now I'm asked to continue to support a party that has not shown any interest in regaining America's solvency.


Now that Republicrats have conspired to ruin America, I'm supposed to continue supporting this ongoing disaster? Like liberals, the more Republicans fail, the more the moderates demand Republicans do. Entrenched Republicrats are the problem, not the solution.


I'm not letting it burn, it's burning no matter whatI do anyway. And I'm no victim. I'm prepared for whatever comes. Bring it.


It's moderates who are the victims, victims of a Stockholm syndrome.



Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 02:47 PM (1Y+hH)

172 Hence the term. "Let it Burn" implies refusal to do anything to stop the inevitable.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:37 PM (4df7R)

+++

"Let it burn" to me means Eeyore. This last election really took the wind out of my sails (although not Olaf's farts). I guess it just kinda seems like the culture has turned and there's now way to turn it back, and the Second Coming of FDR is gonna ram it all right down our throats with his preening cheerleaders in the almighty media. Let it burn? What the hell else can we do?

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 02:47 PM (DrC22)

173 Democrats can't secede. They need Republicans to fund them.

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 02:46 PM (RDP+N)



this is the definition of Quebec

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:47 PM (LpQbZ)

174 Even if the secession happened it would be doomed.



After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue
refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.

Posted by: Invictus at December 07, 2012 02:44 PM (OQpzc)



Not a chance. I'd watch them starve at the gates

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (1Jaio)

175 The will not secede, but they can be thrown out if we get enough Red States on our side.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (YdQQY)

176 Ok...my bad...it is Tom Bombadil .

Posted by: John Stark Dark at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (m2QQ8)

177 >>>If this really is a nation of 51% takers then the

article V convention would be a huge disaster, but I'm all for giving it

a try to find out one way or the other.

One of the possible outcomes of an Article V convention is the states agree to call it quits. With the divide between the states as they are, I could see a mutual divorce agreed to.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (0q2P7)

178 Let it burn? What the hell else can we do?

I wonder how big that $1 trillion coin will be? Silver dollar size or dinner plate size?

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (GQ8sn)

179 After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.

This is why, for the early days of the new country, the people in charge of immigration and naturalization would have to be hard-hearted, practical, logical bastards.

I volunteer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (4df7R)

180 Look at Iceland in 2008. They let it burn. They rebuilt

The EU's house is on fire, they keep exhorting the public to shovel dirt on it while the elites carry their valuables and expensive furniture out the back door


Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (wwsoB)

181 i'm not really down with LIB (though i understand it as a post-election gut thing) cuz my guess is the economy will probably keep limping along rather than crash. plus there'll be plenty of other fights besides the current one where Republicans can be uncompromising and gain from it, as opposed to the current situation where they're screwed either way.

i guess i'm sorta sympathetic toward the Republican leadership because i think it's important to have a united front at this point, and also they're treated like Rockefeller Republicans when i don't really think that's the case.

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (60GaT)

182 Obama’s objective is to fracture the Republic

FIFY

...are we playing into their hands, or is it inevitable?

Posted by: Prepare at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (86/8G)

183 After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue

refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.


No way. This time we'd have true immigration enforcement.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (GQ8sn)

184 I always saw you in my mind as 5'5". But yeah, everything else is the same.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 07, 2012 02:27 PM (ohl8C)



Yeah, I long for the heights of 5'5".

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (VtjlW)

185 Until we control the media or even half of it, we are screwed.

Posted by: Hard Right at December 07, 2012 02:50 PM (uhftQ)

186 >>>After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue

refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.

Maybe if it happened 50 years from now. I think the Reds are so fed up with the Blues, that they might ship them excess feed grade corn and a recipe for Tree Bark Soup and tell them GL

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 02:50 PM (0q2P7)

187 They did start a revolution; they organized from the depths of the far left to take over the election and caucus apparatus - then in one election cycle displaced the old guard (HRC) Did they lie, cheat, and steal, yes - but they won.

Is Allen West any further from the mainstreet R then BarryO was from the DLC

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2012 02:50 PM (5HAgy)

188 JeanQueenie:

It's because the left has a fundamentally different view of the world. They lap up Obama's pontificating against the rich, fat cats and various perceived injustices.

GWB ran a similar Presidency in actions, but he ran it with more decorum, leadership and civilized discourse.

Posted by: ElKomandante at December 07, 2012 02:51 PM (LOCUC)

189 171

how have "the Republicrats" conspired on anything? the parties don't much work together right now and haven't for a while

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:51 PM (60GaT)

190 Having taken Boehner’s sword, and then his shirt, Obama sent Geithner to demand Boehner’s trousers….

You know how Obama allegedly is about "older white males" behind closed doors.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 02:52 PM (B/VB5)

191 One other thing about LIB (by which I mean let us go off the cliff), a lot of the people paying no taxes now will have to start paying taxes.


After which every Republican in the country should respond to the MFM when interviewed "Well I guess those Bush tax cuts for the rich were for the rich after all".

But that takes balls and DeMint will not be there.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:52 PM (YdQQY)

192 I think the Reds are so fed up with the Blues, that they might ship them
excess feed grade corn and a recipe for Tree Bark Soup blankets and tell them GL


FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 02:52 PM (5DR1j)

193 Well, I would but Outside keeps trying to kill me.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 02:17 PM (VtjlW)



I cancelled my subscription to this magazine, when all they highlighted were far left libs. Even Bawny Frank made an appearance in this rag.

It was sad, because I love the outdoors....

;-)

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:52 PM (LpQbZ)

194 Let It Burn

The people playing with matches are partying away, while the "scolds" warn them of the dangers of fire

When it all burns down, the scolds still get the blame

Plan for what you do to rebuild, not how to save what's inevitably going to burn


Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:52 PM (wwsoB)

195 After the blue states had their famine,

Eat the rich.

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (RDP+N)

196 I'm tired of this "let it burn" shit too, because there's not a person
here who is going to start a fire. Some have a different meaning on "let
it burn" (aka let the Dems have their way and get the blame when it
fails) but as Ace's post points out, we'll still catch the blame.


The left lit the fire decades ago.

It's since spread from a tiny smoldering ember to a forest fire in the form of runaway spending and unfunded liabilities.

And the voters in it's path believe that throwing a glass of water on the approaching inferno will save them, so no need to get out if the way or take more drastic action to put it out.

Meanwhile, the Dems are telling voters what they want to hear- that the firefighters are to blame.

All we can do now is either slow it down a bit or let the inevitable take it's course.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (SY2Kh)

197 Stop talking states, think counties. Most of the blue states are red. Instead of a "conservative" party, maybe we need a rural party.

Posted by: Jean at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (5HAgy)

198
I have to disagree with AB, I've never met a Leftist who showed the slightest embarassment about their hypocrisy. They justify different reactions by pointing at the standing of the supposed "victims".

Like AtC notes, her Lefty friends accuse her of playing victim, not because they don't think the cards went against AtC, but because they consider her priveleged to begin with and deserving to lose.

I have "friends" who couldn't care less that Christians are being victimized because Christians are historically a favored class. Muslims? Outrage.

Same with dick-monger Olaf here. He revels in his hypocrisy even when the facts are right in the post above. But his hypocrisy is okay because he was helping the little guy.

Consistency means nothing to them. Hypocrisy is standard because the only thing that matters is the standing of the players. Incidentally, this is the same adolescent bullshit that requires them to single out a person rather than an idea. This week it's Norquist.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (r5w1L)

199 Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:51 PM (60GaT)

REally? then why is there a provision in the Defense Appropriations bill to let States Tax Internet Sales across State Lines?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (lZBBB)

200 Next time, I'm just going to kick Lucy in the fucking head

Posted by: Charlie Brown, former Republican voter at December 07, 2012 02:53 PM (wwsoB)

201 Maybe if it happened 50 years from now. I think the Reds are so fed up with the Blues, that they might ship them excess feed grade corn and a recipe for Tree Bark Soup and tell them GL

Which the idiots would turn into ethanol to fuel their paper cars so they could drive somewhere that used to be pretty and die of starvation ina room with a view.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 02:54 PM (4df7R)

202 >>>After the blue states had their famine, the reds would let blue


refugees in and feed them since it wouldn't be nice let them starve.

I could also see them say something like "We'll trade you pound for pound, wheat for the Statue of Liberty."

And then sell them food so that they know that whole little "We get to keep all of our taxes" whiney whine while it may be true, won't be enough to make up for all the food they need to buy from the Reds.



Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (0q2P7)

203 "Let It Snow"...another prime candidate for re-writing to fit the needs of the LiB community during this Holiday Season...fwiw.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (hNXHo)

204 So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

I just want to make sure everyone understands Let It Burn doesn't mean we go to Galt's Gulch for a few weeks, everything burns, and then we get an invitation back to restart society correctly. It's an eternity of being Eddie Willers standing in front of a stalled train. North Korea has been going gonzo for 60+ years and still hasn't "burned" full out. Rome had literal lunatics in charge and lasted for centuries. China's ruling class survived Mao and is still effectively unchallenged.

Let It Burn is an acceptance of that, here, for the rest of our lives, minimum. Maybe there isn't any way of avoiding it, but for Christ sake I intend to try. Also, I want it perfectly understood that Let It Burn does not ever lead to the scales falling off the eyes of liberals. They will always believe they are "helping."

Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (Tlix5)

205 yes, REally.

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (60GaT)

206 The people playing with matches are partying away, while the "scolds" warn them of the dangers of fireWhen it all burns down, the scolds still get the blamePlan for what you do to rebuild, not how to save what's inevitably going to burn

wise words

Posted by: fluffy at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (K800K)

207 Create the environment/culture/life outside of all of this bs we are now living in.

Sarah Hoyt has a good post up which is vaguely related to this. Link in name. (Because I'm supposed to be working right now.)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 07, 2012 02:22 PM (QF8uk)



thanks for the link

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (LpQbZ)

208 Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them?


I'm sure once CA and NY are on their own those oil wells in CA will be ordered to halt.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (YdQQY)

209 The Twilight Zone, Episode #65: "The Obsolete Man" (original air date 6/2/61) ... Rod Serling wrote the episode dealing with themes of Orwellian totalitarianism, euthanasia, utilitarianism ... Director: Elliot Silverstein. Actors: Burgess Meredith: Romney Wordsworth (amateur carpenter, professional Librarian) · Fritz Weaver: Chancellor · Josip Elic: Subaltern · Harry Fleer: Guard · Barry Brooks ...

[Spoiler conclusion] The Narrator: The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete, but so is the State, the entity he worshiped. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of man, that state is obsolete. A case to be filed under "M" for mankind—in the Twilight Zone.

http://tinyurl.com/c8s4wkl

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (BAnPT)

210 Yes, there is no petulance whatsoever in that statement. Well done. It's like that time when that girl wanted to break up with you so you punched yourself in the face to show her how much you cared about her. It was the most logical course of action.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head


Yes. Lets force them to become responsible, have a balanced media, decent school system and a non-socialist viewpoint before the world wide depression hits in the next year or so. Let's make a long-term plan with zombie party members, block captains, honest to God Nazi billionaires like the progressives have done.

"Let it burn" simply means don't sit in your fucking chair planning clever comebacks when your whole house is already on fire. LiB is really just an observation while you go outside.

Sorry but I think you are kidding yourself. The banks in Spain are insolvent, Italy as well, Greece is gone and Deutschbank has been hiding billions in losses even though fake US dollars have been flooding central banks for 4 years. The EU is in recession and the US dollar is nearly a fake. Meanwhile the President wants an unlimited debt ceiling and if Qeternity ever stops and rates rise...well it can't be stopped now.
It's dead Jim.

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (+paCV)

211 208 Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them?

---

New Mexico for sure.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (e0xKF)

212 The main reason to Let It Burn is because the MSM themselves would feel the flames licking at their asses. Kind of focuses the mind.

As long as the elite are shielded from the consequences of their own policies, they'll keep on enacting them "for our own good"

When their house is burning, leftist dogma is replaced by "I gotta save my own shit"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:57 PM (wwsoB)

213 Forget let it burn..

I fight.

Posted by: GardenGnome at December 07, 2012 02:57 PM (UjSt7)

214 Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (BAnPT)


Another "conservative" program because that was the norm in the early 60s.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (YdQQY)

215 Consistency means nothing to them. Hypocrisy is standard because the
only thing that matters is the standing of the players. Incidentally,
this is the same adolescent bullshit that requires them to single out a
person rather than an idea. This week it's Norquist.


Yep. Every. Single. Liberal. I. Know. is this way. They do not care that they're hypocrites. They *revel* in it.

Posted by: GMan at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (sxq57)

216 Some of you Let it Burn whiners should have been picketing the Michigan legislature yesterday. You could have carried signs saying, "What's The Use?" or "It Doesn't Really Matter That Much" or "Whatever." All is lost, it's just that those idiots trying to change things in Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, etc. are too stupid to see how meaningless their efforts are. Those idiots.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (+lsX1)

217 We're lucky it hasn't become a shooting civil war here yet.
Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 02:39 PM (+paCV)

The possibility of civil war is the big unspokenfear in the back of everyone's mind--well, not everyone but anyone who follows the news or the culture with any depth. I get the sense GOP politicians actively refrain from even mentioning the word 'socialism' or 'socialist' when talking about President Obama or hisobviously radical policiesbecause they're fearful of exciting already heated emotions and rhetoric. It's becoming fairly clear the American right and left hate each other and 'Agree to disagree' seems to have gone by the wayside. More importantly, the two positions are sodiametrically opposed that the country can't accommodate both competing visions simultaneously, much less transition from one to the other every four or eight years.

Either we become a socialist state or we don't. There is no in-between. Unless the federal government allows for a more state-based, federalist approach--which the Obama Administration would never countenance--then conflict becomes increasingly inevitable, in my view. A house divided and all that.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (vtiE6)

218 New Mexico for sure.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (e0xKF)

I wasn't aware that NM had oil????

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (YdQQY)

219 I'm not trying to lecture folks, by the way. I feel as strongly the justice of letting people who never lived up to their civic duty have their world burn around them. Fuckers drive me off a wall voting without having the slightest clue what is going on and being completely unwilling to discuss issues.

But there's only one world. If it burns, I burn, too. And I'm not ready to burn yet.

Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (Tlix5)

220 I fight.

I'm content to join an angry mob, just not to lead it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (evdj2)

221 Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them?

If you count patchouli...

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (RDP+N)

222 So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

Basically.

There's not enough of us to make the vote totals go our way. Even some on our side fall for the "no cuts to entitlements!!!" arguments. We don't cheat at the ballot boxes like they do. We don't make it a point of pride to sign up for as much welfare as possible and scream bloody murder when we go past 99 weeks.

And who said anything about being invited back? We make our own society after that. Away from them and beyond their control.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (GQ8sn)

223 agree with GEH

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:59 PM (60GaT)

224 Boehner's tears will not stop the burning;

Boehner's Lastest Fiscal Cliff Press Conference - Live Webcast

http://tinyurl.com/aqdpafq

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:59 PM (wwsoB)

225 Either we become a socialist state or we don't.
There is no in-between. Unless the federal government allows for a more
state-based, federalist approach--which the Obama Administration would
never countenance--then conflict becomes increasingly inevitable, in my
view. A house divided and all that.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (vtiE6)


hahahaha; we have been a socialist State since the 30s. We are now going full commie/fascist

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:59 PM (YdQQY)

226 221 Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them? If you count patchouli...
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM (RDP+N)

Pennsylvania and maybe even NY.
They still have to get it out, and without fracking that impossible.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 03:00 PM (t06LC)

227 Let It Burn is an acceptance of that, here, for the rest of our lives, minimum. Maybe there isn't any way of avoiding it, but for Christ sake I intend to try. Also, I want it perfectly understood that Let It Burn does not ever lead to the scales falling off the eyes of liberals. They will always believe they are "helping."
Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (Tlix5)

_____

Yes, correct, but would you kick a Cricket when he is down?

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:00 PM (DrC22)

228 When their house is burning, leftist dogma is replaced by "I gotta save my own shit"


Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 02:57 PM (wwsoB)


Close... but think the Left's thing is 'well, someone always came and saved us before!"

Its the Dues Ex Machina worldview.... problem is that the ones who historicly would step in and protect the Left.... ie... those Conservatives who love America, are at the limit of their patience.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 03:00 PM (lZBBB)

229 >>>but Let It Burn isn't the solution.

Let it Burn has nothing to do with starting fires. It has to do with no longer putting effort into putting them out. If we were starting the proverbial fires we would say "Burn it Down" instead. English... the more you know. Dum♪ dum♪ dum♪

In either event the electorate has made it clear they refuse to acknowledge reality until it punches them in the face, kicks them in the balls, brutally rapes them, then pisses on their crying quivering heap. Since that is the case, getting them that dose of reality sooner rather than later by not trying to stop the coming collapse is in our best interests long term.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

230 So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

No. It is expressly NOT that. Let It Burn says, "Don't try to stop it. Focus on what you'll do afterwards."

Let it burn says that we stop wasting time, effort, and resources preventing a collapse which is inevitable, and start preparing for when everything has collapsed.

There will be at least two transitional periods before whatever rises from the ashes, and we have to be in charge of at least the second one if we want to be in control of what comes after.

1- The collapse itself. We may actually already be in this state. It will be slow motion, and only after the fact will anyone be able to point to a specific time or event (if they ever can) and say, "This is where the collapse started."

2 - The dark ages. After what's here collapses, there will be a time of tribalism (for lack of a better term) where people are focused mostly on survival. Small areas will (likely) become their own governments/regions.

Only after those stabilize (be it 2 years, 20, or 200), will whatever is new come together.

The average "Empire of 1000 years" lasts about 200. We're due.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:01 PM (5DR1j)

231 EC, buddy, where are you going to go with your wealth that liberals will not follow you to get it?

It's getting delusional in here. I don't like it.

Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 03:01 PM (Tlix5)

232 @218
The Permian basin. Think there are another 3 or 4 oil fields as well.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:02 PM (KUPae)

233 how have "the Republicrats" conspired on anything? the parties don't much work together right now and haven't for a while
Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 02:51 PM (60GaT)Laughable, but I don't have time to address it right now. Perhaps we can discuss it later.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 03:02 PM (1Y+hH)

234 Drudge sez Detroit's planning bankruptcy.

Enjoy those retirements, MI gummint drones.

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 03:02 PM (RDP+N)

235 >>>Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them?

As if that matters. They don't want to extract it anyway.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:02 PM (0q2P7)

236 216
Some of you Let it Burn whiners should have been picketing the Michigan
legislature yesterday. You could have carried signs saying, "What's The
Use?" or "It Doesn't Really Matter That Much" or "Whatever." All is
lost, it's just that those idiots trying to change things in Michigan,
Wisconsin, Indiana, etc. are too stupid to see how meaningless their
efforts are. Those idiots.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 02:58 PM

I'm sure they'll all see how it's worth it when Holder takes the state to court and a judge reverses the results without breaking a sweat

Or TFG threatens to cut off federal funding


Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 03:03 PM (wwsoB)

237 As if that matters. They don't want to extract it anyway.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:02 PM (0q2P7)

That was my point for CA.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:03 PM (YdQQY)

238 EC, buddy, where are you going to go with your wealth that liberals will not follow you to get it?

What wealth? I'm under no illusion as to what Let It Burn means. It's a giant reset button.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:03 PM (GQ8sn)

239 To follow that up, as a counter example, look to England. I don't think the English of WWII would recognize their own country, let alone those of the 18th Century.

No one there, however, embraced "Let it Burn" (or not enough of them), so we're still watching, 50 years later, the slow motion burn and collapse of the English House.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:03 PM (5DR1j)

240 Thats right Ace. I agree completely. You hit the nail dead square.

Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2012 03:04 PM (OlN4e)

241 To follow that up, as a counter example, look to England. I don't think the English of WWII would recognize their own country, let alone those of the 18th Century.

My mother can't even read about England anymore. It's nothing like the England she knew in the 40s and 50s. It's as alien to her as India would be for me.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:04 PM (4df7R)

242 208
Are there any blue States besides CA with oil in them?


I'm sure once CA and NY are on their own those oil wells in CA will be ordered to halt.


Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM

Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, Colorado, Nevada

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 03:04 PM (wwsoB)

243 218 New Mexico for sure.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 02:56 PM (e0xKF)

I wasn't aware that NM had oil????

---

NM has oil, around 80m barrels per year.

It's not a huge producer, but it does have wells and refineries.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (e0xKF)

244 This is off topic, but, last night I had dinner with a neighbor friend of mine, of whom I work with on a community committee. He is a gay man in his late 50s and a Obama supporter. At some point the conversation turned to the culture. He is the President of an organization that helps at risk teens by keeping them (or placing them) with families and attempting to do everything they can to keep these kids from being institutionalized (jail, mental hospitals, etc.). It is a large non-profit organization, employeeing over 1,000 and serving 24 major cities/metro areas.This past year he said they were given a list of 100 kids that were 'at risk' for getting shot at in Chicago. Of these 100 kids, 24 ended up being shot (some killed). He then proceeded to tell me that his politics made him a true believer in government solutions, until he had this job. (He's aware that I'm a christian conservative, although wehad notdiscussed my beliefs before.). He now is a true believer in the family being the best place to raise healthy people. In fact, he's zealous about it. We continued to discuss how our society diminishes fathers and deifies single mom's. All this to say I think we are making more in roads into the culture than we can see.Especially, when liberal ideas always fail. People return to solutions that work.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (encrR)

245 I wasn't aware that NM had oil????

Yep. The Permian Basin. Though I notice the original question didn't mention Texas...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (5DR1j)

246 So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

Basically.

That's EC


So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

No. It is expressly NOT that.

That's AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Ok, for what's worth, I like both of you and what you've said over the ages, but clearly we've got a problem with what Let It Burn even means. I gotta join GardenGnome: I fight. Maybe it's my last bit as Tagny trying to preserve what can't be preserved, but I'm not convinced Let It Burn is even coherent, much less an answer.

And again, I mean this with all respect. I've felt the need to watch the bastards burn, too.

Posted by: Aaron at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (Tlix5)

247

73% of New Jobs Created in Last 5 Months Are in Government

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bg3ynzl

Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (RDP+N)

248 Oh, whoops. It said "blue states." I missed that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:06 PM (5DR1j)

249 Yep. The Permian Basin. Though I notice the original question didn't mention Texas...


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (5DR1j)

Did you miss the "blue" State qualifier?

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:06 PM (YdQQY)

250 DIT has his Pearl thread up.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (YdQQY)

251 >>This is what I hate more than anything else

Resistance is foreplay. You will be assimilated.

Posted by: General Zod at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (2+bRt)

252 I'm sure they'll all see how it's worth it when Holder takes the
state to court and a judge reverses the results without breaking a sweat


Exactly my point. Good to see you're not letting any dust gather on your "What's The Use" picket sign. This moping about will surely leave you well positioned to emerge as a leader after the Dark Times run their course and the country automagically emerges as a conservative paradise.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (+lsX1)

253 let's start a brainstorming thread on fighting the media or better yet taking over enough to break through. I'm not so sure we have to fight the media. Just start one, serve the other half of the country with NO lip service to progressive ideals.
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Unless you're a Beck Hater, you don't know what you're missing if you don't have The Blaze TV. He's having conversations like this one-- but with people who have ideas on how to actually fix stuff and the public platform-- all the time. Last night was a full hour with Penn Jillette on libertarianism, atheism and how conservatives (NOT the GOP) could cometogether with libertarians to form a bigger voting bloc.

His interviews with David Gelernter and David Horowitz on reforming education and using commie strategies against the left were outstanding as well.

Go the BlazeTV.com and get the free two-week membership. You'll be able to watch last night's show as well as any others that have aired. It's likenothing else you'll seeon any other channel.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (tQHzJ)

254 Amen on the Penn Jillette interview. My feelings exactly.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (KUPae)

255
>>>It's getting delusional in here. I don't like it.

You should read Atlas Shrugged then. How can an idea be "delusional" if

1. The exact situation we are in was predicted back in 1957?
2. The response to it (The makers giving up on supporting society) was also postulated at that time?

Galt's Gulch is synonymous with cashing out and refusing to be a supporter of an immoral society any longer. It seems to me a perfectly rational response to a society that says it's entitled to take as much as it wants from what you produce.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (0q2P7)

256 @ 28 Romeo

Nailed it.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (iAo42)

257 So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

Basically.

That's EC



So as I understand it, Let It Burn is give up.

No. It is expressly NOT that.

That's AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Ok,
for what's worth, I like both of you and what you've said over the
ages, but clearly we've got a problem with what Let It Burn even means. I
gotta join GardenGnome: I fight. Maybe it's my last bit as Tagny
trying to preserve what can't be preserved, but I'm not convinced Let It
Burn is even coherent, much less an answer.

And again, I mean this with all respect. I've felt the need to watch the bastards burn, too.


Well, not speaking for AllenG, but for me LiB means giving up on trying to fight the dems since we have no real leaders or enough bodies punching the ballots. The way I see things, more and more people are being seduced by the left's talk of everything will turn out ok with them in charge and enough taxes in place. I'm not sure we'll be able to shift the pendulum back to our side again. And even if we should be so lucky to make that happen, it is already too late. Do you think the populace at large would accept a proposal to just whole cut Social Security dead in its tracks? What about Medicare? There's no fucking way!

I say give up on trying to save the system that is so thoroughly rotted to the core because it's getting impossible to ever save it to a state that is even somewhat reasonable or sustainable.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (GQ8sn)

258 pssh libertarians, buncha weed-smokin' fornicators

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (60GaT)

259 Our best and probably only political hope is to form, or to convert the Republicans to, a genuine populist party. One that outright says it will tax the top and cut off the bottom. One that consciously invokes tribalism among those who think of themselves as the middle class.

Our motto should be Get out of the Way.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 03:12 PM (evdj2)

260 If we keep putting out the Left's fires then we will continue to move further left. The purpose of LIB is to allow the left's fires to burn enough people that they realize that the left's policies are the cause and effect. The old saying ,a Conservative is a liberal that's just been mugged is the outcome people want with LIB.

LIB does not mean destroy the Country. It is a means to save the Country.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (m2CN7)

261
If you can't beat them, join them...

Scientists estimate that at current value there is 72 Trillion dollars worth of recoverable oil in the tar sands on federal land. Monetize it by creating a quasi-governmental corporation that takes control of the asset and in turn pays the federal government 72 newly minted trillion dollar coins.

Pay off the national debt, redo all the infrastructure, fund all the social programs and live a carefree life for a few generations.

Sounds good.

Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (ZDsRL)

262 Yes, correct, but would you kick a Cricket when he is down?



Jiminy!

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (+paCV)

263
Vic-
You forsee an Art V convention with a Constitutional outcome with participation by the same assholes who got us here? The leftists who can't find a right to bear arms in the constitution and can find a right to kill babies can never,ever be expected to negotiate or dialogue in good faith.

Unlike you, those people are not my countrymen. They are interested in their power, not our liberty, and they have created a dumbed down society in large areas of the population through the Gramscian march through the inststitutions to sustain our enslavement.

It is time to separate our country from the Marxist construct which is about to burst into flames. Let them be schooled, through the imminent experience, by the gods of the copybook headings.

Our only choice to make is whether shake our heads in sorrow or point and laugh at such abject foolishness.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (yw6Hr)

264 It is a means to save the Country.


Not really sure there will be a country left after the burn. Maybe on paper only.


Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (GQ8sn)

265 pssh libertarians, buncha weed-smokin' fornicators


Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (60GaT)

Myself, and a good 2 dozen of my friends, spread out in 6 states, are conservative libertarians who vote Republican in generals. We frequently vote Libertarian in primaries. We are all in our 40's, 50's and 60's.This demographic is being pushed out of the Republican Party.Bad move.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (KUPae)

266 Let it Burn = Tough Love

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (+paCV)

267 it was a jooooke

i do think a good chunk of the libertarian philosophy isn't rooted in any meaningful conservatism though

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 03:17 PM (60GaT)

268 They [the Left] are most certainly the Sons of the Enlightenment.

Those on the Right need to understand and embrace the Dark Enlightenment.

Posted by: Links at December 07, 2012 03:17 PM (RgIRJ)

269 LIB does not mean destroy the Country. It is a means to save the Country.

It can destroy it too. Actually that outcome is a lot more likely. It just if we continue on the patch we are on, a free USA is almost impossible. A free something or other is at least a plausible though not a likely outcome under LiB. However when faced with certain failure it becomes the better options.

It's time to roll the dice.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (0q2P7)

270 Sorry then!

You reach them through Liberty and Constitutional Principles. Close enough to win some elections.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (KUPae)

271 Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (ZDsRL)

I always find it amusing that we are one of the only countries, which thinks it has a free market when it comes to oil....

Even when we have to buy from OPEC.... and those State run Oil companies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (lZBBB)

272 Monetize it by creating a quasi-governmental corporation that takes
control of the asset and in turn pays the federal government 72 newly
minted trillion dollar coins.


Because Fannie and Freddie were so fucking awesome handling mortgages.

If we let the gov't control 72 trillion dollars worth of fossil fuel, they will create 72 trillion dollars in new debt. I've seen nothing to convince me they would actually be responsible to use that money to pay all future obligations FIRST and then think about sensible fiscal policy.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (GQ8sn)

273 Our motto should be Get out of the Way.

So voting "present" is the new path of courage. You are truly heroes of the republic.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (+lsX1)

274 So voting "present" is the new path of courage. You are truly heroes of the republic.

Rephrase that if you can because I got nothing out of it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (evdj2)

275 It's time to roll the dice.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (0q2P7)

I agree and yes LIB may not save the Country but it is definitely not the intent of those that promote LIB to destroy the Country. As you said, it is the best least worst option.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:22 PM (m2CN7)

276 15 JeanQueenie

Remember the "not my president" bullshit?

Now we have Obama--the epitome of selective representation!


Now a lot of us are "not his people".

Posted by: rickl at December 07, 2012 03:23 PM (zoehZ)

277
"I've seen nothing to convince me they would actually be responsible to use that money to pay all future obligations FIRST and then think about sensible fiscal policy."

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (GQ8sn) Ah, but that is the beauty of this plan.The quasi-governmental corporation has only to let out contracts and collect royalties over the next 100 - 200 years and internally satisfy the debt - by destroying the proceeds. It's all a apparition, but legal.If you create money out of thin air, you must turn it back into thin air at some point.

Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 03:23 PM (ZDsRL)

278 175The will not secede, but they can be thrown out if we get enough Red States on our side.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:48 PM (YdQQYThat's a plan I can get behind.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2012 03:24 PM (yw6Hr)

279 I always find it amusing that we are one of the only countries, which thinks it has a free market when it comes to oil.... Even when we have to buy from OPEC.... and those State run Oil companies.
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (lZBBB)

OPEC atually got its start.....by copying the Texas Railroad Comission.
BTW, the TRRC is probably the most powerful institution in Texas, what they say generally goes.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 07, 2012 03:25 PM (t06LC)

280 >>>So voting "present" is the new path of courage. You are truly heroes of the republic.

Heh. Nice bit of pretentiousness there. Yes standing back and inviting DOOM! so that a chance of a free society exists does take a bit more courage than continuing to do what you've done for the last 80 years and quietly shrink into irrelevancy, then to complete nonexistence. When every part of you says fight harder, it takes a lot of courage to stand back and say, no, that won't work, the best course of action is to RISK EVERYTHING and not fight at all, right now, but get ready for a much bigger fight to come.

If you have a long term plan that works that doesn't involve DOOM!. I'm all ears. I keep saying that. No one seems to be able to put one together.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:25 PM (0q2P7)

281 The Left hated Bush for several reasons, most of them insipid and juvenile:

1) They thought he stole the election from Liberal Enviro-Hero Al Gore.
2) They thought he was stupid, and only got elected because of his Daddy and Karl Rove's mad manipulations and his big brother stealing Florida for him. Whereas Al Gore was a genius who had no family connections whatsoever.
3) They hate Texas, for cultural reasons. They thought "Dallas" was a documentary.

Everything else that happened in Bush's two terms was then filtered through these threebasic prisms of hate. Tax cut? Only to help Daddy's rich Texas oilman buddies and pay them back for rigging the election. War in Iraq? Obviously, to kill Saddam Hussein because he tried to kill Daddy, and to funnel money to the defense contractors in the South. Reelected? Obviously because Karl Rove is evil and stole Ohio by rigging the Diebold machines or something.

Posted by: rockmom at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (aBlZ1)

282

Posted by: Liberty Lover at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (encrR)

Nice post.

thx

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (LpQbZ)

283 So voting "present" is the new path of courage. You are truly heroes of the republic.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (+lsX1)

So you are an advocate of kicking the can down the road? Patch up the bad policies of the Left withsomesmall victories so we can continue on life support?

Not me. I want to convert those that support the left's bad policies and the only way to do that is for them to feel the full effect of their actions.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (m2CN7)

284 Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (yw6Hr)



Obviously you missed the comment part about voting rules. Each State only gets 1 vote.


And those are the same rules that the first 2 conventions had.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (YdQQY)

285 "But when you have the near exclusive right to write your own bio, you can be anything you'd like people to think you are."

Is 2+2=4? No. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once.

Posted by: JimParks at December 07, 2012 03:28 PM (zKTsq)

286 My idea of LiB is that we give them all they want so the general populace can see the cause and effect of a welfare state. The slow burn that has been going on for over 40 years has taught them nothing but dependency/complacency. I grew up in a time when personal responsibility was the norm. There are now 2 generations that never were taught that (some at home yes but the bulk no). The bigest example I can think of is that if a teacher punished me at school for doing something wrong I didn't go to my parents and whine unless I wanted to repeat being punished.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 03:29 PM (tf9Ne)

287 Vote present?

I voted straight R in a solid red state. Fat lot of good that did. Conservatives LOST. This country doesn't have two years left to get to the midterms once OCare kicks in. Not counting all of Barky's EPA BS.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 03:30 PM (GFM2b)

288 I say give up on trying to save the system that is so thoroughly rotted
to the core because it's getting impossible to ever save it to a state
that is even somewhat reasonable or sustainable.


No, I think you and I agree, EC.

It's not "give up" because that implies "give in." I'm not giving in, I'm just choosing no longer to fight this battle. I'll keep my powder dry for one I think I can win.

Think of it as the political equivalent of Sam Houston's Long March (sometimes Running Retreat). The point is to avoid "battle" until a) we're really ready and b) we have an advantage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:32 PM (5DR1j)

289 I'm sure once CA and NY are on their own those oil wells in CA will be ordered to halt.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 02:55 PM (YdQQY)

Horizontal Drilling FTW... IYKWIM

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 07, 2012 03:33 PM (UZQM8)

290 So you are an advocate of kicking the can down the road? Patch up the
bad policies of the Left withsomesmall victories so we can continue on
life support?


If there's one lesson to be learned from this election, it's that we are now at the point going forward where conservatives are largely irrelevant to the electoral process.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:33 PM (GQ8sn)

291 Let it Burn isn't petulant, it is letting nature take its course.
The house is on fire, nothing short of a metric shit-ton of water (which would destroy the house anyway) will put it out. The house is lost, let it burn.

It is calm acceptance of what is brutally obvious, instead of a futile and eluded fight against something that can not be defeated. There are more takers than makers. There are more people concerned with what is 'cool' that what is smart. Too many have sold their freedom for free-shit and there is really nothing you can do about it. So...let it burn.

Make it burn, on the other hand, IS a bit petulant. The house is burning, let's see what other stuff we can throw on the fire. After all, the sooner this burns out, the sooner we can get a new house.

Posted by: MrShad at December 07, 2012 03:34 PM (Xqfwb)

292 Ace has identified the number one issue and the biggest bête noire that I have right now. (I threw in a little French for you there). It is the hypocrisy and the double standard. I don't know how we ever get around that.

Ace has been producing the most thoughtful, important analysis and commentary on the planet right now. He's my number one read and is absolutely indespensible.

Have you considered writing an Op/ Ed for the Wall Street Journal, or other national publication? I would like to see these themes get a wider discussion going.

Posted by: azkag at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (+Efc5)

293 Yes standing back and inviting DOOM! so that a chance of a free society
exists does take a bit more courage than continuing to do what you've
done for the last 80 years and quietly shrink into irrelevancy, then to
complete nonexistence. When every part of you says fight harder, it
takes a lot of courage to stand back and say, no, that won't work, the
best course of action is to RISK EVERYTHING and not fight at all, right
now, but get ready for a much bigger fight to come.


Oh yes, your statement reeks of courage. Never let it be said that you didn't have the courage to stop fighting. No sir, not this guy. When all was lost he bravely stood aside and declared to the world that he told them so. When the history books are written, they will speak lovingly of those brave souls that had the courage to quit when they were behind. Let the coin of the new realm be imprinted with their motto, "count me out." God bless you for your sacrifice.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (+lsX1)

294 182Obama’s objective is to fracture the Republic

FIFY

...are we playing into their hands, or is it inevitable?
Posted by: Prepare at December 07, 2012 02:49 PM (86/8G)The Free Shit Army led by the leftist media-academy-government complex fractured the Republic. LIVE FREE OR DIE ! (No longer applicable in New Hampshire).The Makers will be expected to continue to give money to the leftist media-academy-government by the threat of force by the leftist media-academy-government complex in order to secure the votes of the Takers who will ensure that the leftist media-academy-government is elected to take money from the Makers.The only way to win now is not to play. The constitutional republican government established to secure the blessings of your liberty is now an illusion. States must remind the central government of their sovereignty..

Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2012 03:39 PM (yw6Hr)

295 I look forward to GEH and JDP explaining this exciting new and un whiny BIG PLAN that is going to provide an avenue for conservatives to recalibrate America's moral compass.


What will you have left when you run out of all that denial?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 03:41 PM (EZl54)

296 No, I think you and I agree, EC.

All I know is, I don't want to continue helping prop up a system that's on a slow descent to default.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (GQ8sn)

297 I look forward to GEH and JDP explaining this exciting new and un whiny
BIG PLAN that is going to provide an avenue for conservatives to
recalibrate America's moral compass.


As do I. I'm eagerly awaiting the idea or plan that we all missed, and keep on missing, that will suddenly convince people to stop asking for free shit.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:44 PM (GQ8sn)

298 The irony is that it was the advance guard of the LIB retard brigade that is responsible for Obama's reelection. They decided to stay home and not vote because, "what's the use" or "it's all lost anyway" or "they're all the same." You guys are just a little late to the self-fulfilling party.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (+lsX1)

299 THIS IS AN OUTRAGE...
and also;
I just wish that everyone would take this more seriously, as I do. I am mad as hell, and so should you be. I think other people (such as yourselves) should be as dedicated and serious about exposing this as I am. And also as serious about seafood.
I am mad as Hell.
Something must be done.
We all must be more serious.
and Fight for the Cause.
Going to Red Lobster now, get to work.

Posted by: higg at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (zLQ9q)

300 The majority of the (nominally)AMERICAN public re-elected the Marxist bastard stepchild of Bill Ayers,Weather Underground,Black Liberation, Theology in order to get Free Shit.

Good luck pissing on the raging forest fire that used to be the U.S.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (EZl54)

301 Ace - Maybe its time to take a step back and a deep breath and look at what's happening. Do people perceive you in a certain way because some mysterious cabal of liberals are steering them that way? Or - Could it be your positions really are extreme, selfish, hateful and wrong-headed? The result of such a strict, all-or-nothing GOP party line that is so immovable and so uncompromising it ends up embarrassing all of you?

Show us the liberal media conspiracy. Show us who's in it and exactly how it works. Prove it.
Until then, you just sound kinda...well... crazy.

Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (msxj+)

302 GEH-
If it was a popularity vote you might have a point.

It was because of the fact that America has been descending gradually into Leftopia for DECADES that Obama got more electoral votes than Romney.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (EZl54)

303 I dasgree that the left is not sired by the Enlightenment. In his great book From Plato to Nato historian David Gress clearly distinguishes the English Enlightenment from the French model. The English gave us Locke and Burke and the Pitts while the French gave us Rousseau, and Voltaier, Diderot\ and Robespierre. Our poltical philosophy lows from the English model while Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Musollini,and hitler and Mao flow from the French.

Posted by: xkaydet65 at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (8SKV+)

304 Lying down and giving up is a great strategy. Yep. Doesn't backfire at all.

Hold on a sec. The new Emperor is conducting another Purge...

Posted by: The Roman Senate at December 07, 2012 03:52 PM (tmzN0)

305 Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (msxj+)

The percentage of MSM reporters and journalists that voted for Obama is just below the percentage of blacks that voted for Obama. Its not a conspiracy, its a contingent.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:55 PM (m2CN7)

306 "Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (msxj+)"

Who's this dick?

Posted by: MrShad at December 07, 2012 03:55 PM (Xqfwb)

307 >>>Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (+lsX1)

Like I said. I'm still waiting for a feasible plan that doesn't involve DOOM!!!! I would jump on board in half a heartbeat if there was one.

It is not unprecedented that a group of patriots decided that it is futile to continue to politically fight a system that had become so biased against them that it effectively blocked all hope to gain relief and decided to roll the dice on a much much bigger fight than a simple political one. They could have continued to grind on but they didn't.

In my heart I want to continue this fight politically. In my mind I know it is futile and is very possibly destructive. You wrap all of your argument in emotional paper just like a liberal, appealing to your idea of bravery and courage. What is missing is any rational basis to follow your prescription.

Let me say this. I don't care how history remembers me so long as I do the right thing at this juncture. I have rejected my own hearts emotional stance on this issue and therefore have no chance of being emotionally swayed by you. If you think I am wrong. Tell me why rationally a better path to freedom exists.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:57 PM (0q2P7)

308 #300 T. Hunter - interesting considering that the blue states that voted for Obama contribute more to the GDP and federal revenue than Romney's Red states. Even more interesting, most of Romney's red states take more from the federal government than they put in. In other words - The Obama voters are "carrying you, paying your bills. The makers in America won this election, my friend.

Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:57 PM (msxj+)

309 >>>You guys are just a little late to the self-fulfilling party.

Again. Provide a better option. I am more than eager to change my position on this, but have heard 0 reasons to do so.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 03:58 PM (0q2P7)

310 "Here we have the left playing the part of the spendthrift housewife who can't get enough Louis Vuitton and insists on keeping dad and his work crap in the garage."

Wait, that sounds like my life.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 07, 2012 03:58 PM (dZQh7)

311 Lying down and giving up is a great strategy. Yep. Doesn't backfire at all. Hold on a sec. The new Emperor is conducting another Purge...
Posted by: The Roman Senate at December 07, 2012 03:52 PM (tmzN0)

And your strategy is exactly what? Help the Democrats prop up their free stuff State by delaying the hurt with a small victory here and there? Won't work. Hasn't worked.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:59 PM (m2CN7)

312 interesting non sequitur pathetic troll

stop panting and read.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 04:00 PM (EZl54)

313 The Obama voters are "carrying you, paying your bills. The makers in America won this election, my friend.>>

And in return we feed them so it's even. (that assumes what you say is true since the true red blue divide is by county not state)

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 04:01 PM (tf9Ne)

314 Oh for the record. LiB does not mean not voting my conscience. Anyone who stays home on election day isn't pursuing a productive course of action.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:02 PM (0q2P7)

315 Show us the liberal media conspiracy. Show us who's in it and exactly how it works. Prove it. Until then, you just sound kinda...well... crazy.
Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (msxj+)

Your concern is noted.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 04:02 PM (vtiE6)

316 Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:57 PM (msxj+)

You should kick us out then. We won't fight it.

By the way, how much are your state taxes and cost of living? Why is it that everyone including businesses are migrating from Blue States to Red States?

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 04:03 PM (m2CN7)

317 Irish car bombs are a wonderful drink.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 07, 2012 04:04 PM (yWDpP)

318 Even more interesting, most of Romney's red states take more from the federal government than they put in.

Blue states got significant more 2009 stimulus funds than red states.

Tell me again how blue states are contributing.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 04:05 PM (GQ8sn)

319 In other words - The Obama voters are "carrying you, paying your bills.

You should let us go then. Really, it would be for the best.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 04:05 PM (evdj2)

320 Also , not that it will change your fixation on the Dem talking point " red states takes more Federal funds ..." blahblahblah...

But the portions of the red states that take the funds are the blue shit stains of urban blight and Obama worship on the other wise beautifully crimson American map.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 04:05 PM (EZl54)

321 >>>In other words - The Obama voters are "carrying you, paying your bills. The makers in America won this election, my friend.

Heh. HAHAHA! I will guarantee if you actually took a poll of people who pay more to the government than take from it Romney won by at least 10% probably more. So try again troll.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (0q2P7)

322 "Show us who's in it and exactly how it works. Prove it." Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (msxj+)

Ace has, by the way, several hundred times. A few times just today. Feel free to read the blog before you start spouting stupid.

Or don't, no one else here does.

Posted by: MrShad at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (Xqfwb)

323 Woobly, or whatever your sillly name is - Red States keep you and your ilk in fuel and food, so STFU......plus a lot of our kids wear the uniforms that keep you and your ilk safe from those threats in the world.

Posted by: crowsting at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (61BD9)

324 "This is no time to go woobly,George."

Posted by: M. Thatcher at December 07, 2012 04:08 PM (EZl54)

325 In my heart I want to continue this fight politically. In my mind I know
it is futile and is very possibly destructive. You wrap all of your
argument in emotional paper just like a liberal, appealing to your idea
of bravery and courage. What is missing is any rational basis to follow
your prescription.


I will call Scott Walker and tell him that Wisconsin can never be reformed, he is an idiot to think voters can change their perception of public employee unions. Those dumbshits in Michigan should know that the idea of right to work laws ever being passed in that state are simply the fevered rantings of idealistic retards. Everything always moves in a straight line to infinity.

The idea that the "better path to freedom" lies in intentionally surrendering freedoms is obviously stupid. Have you ever seen that happen anywhere, ever?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (+lsX1)

326 Replying to a liberal idiot (or a sock) who does nothing but spot liberal myths and lies is a waste of time and just uses bandwidth and wears out the scroll wheel.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (YdQQY)

327 My wife watches a lot of the true crime police type stories. I'm surprised that the NAACP hasn't come down like a ton of bricks on them because for roughly 12% of the population, 85% of the stories concern blacks who kill, usually other blacks. Anyway, I digress...

When the cops bust into the home of the poverty stricken "person of interest", read, "suspect", I am surprised at what "poverty" means these days.

There's at least big flat screen tv in the home, everybody has a smart cell phone (just recently found out that 'Bammy probably gave them that phone, courtesy the people who actually work for a living....) and everybody has at least one automobile. Nobody looks to be missing any meals.
These are the Obama 'folk. They are not the ones "carrying [us] or paying [our] bills.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 07, 2012 04:15 PM (yWDpP)

328 >>>Posted by: Gristle Encased Head

Still waiting for a viable alternative GEH.

Let.It.Burn doesn't include giving up on states that have a fighting chance. For instance it has nothing to do with letting Texas become a blue state. It does however suggest the dysfunctional mess that is the federal government, and their enabling hopelessly blue states like my own California, and distant NY, be given exactly the pain they have fought so hard for. While the remaining sane states work to insulate themselves from the coming terror and slaughter the Gods of the Copybook Headings will undoubtedly mete out.

LiB is a federal policy not a state strategy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:17 PM (0q2P7)

329 GEH

Srsly, you are a funny guy. I have read your comments for years. The Canseco stuff had me in tears.

Nobody is quitting anything.

Conservatives abandoned Wisconsin and Michigan to their union-dominated ways , channeling energies toward other more productive areas.


They let it burn in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Now after the forest fire is over, little sprouts of freedom are springing up in those areas as you pointed out.
It's a natural progression.

A free
people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as
the gift of their chief magistrate.-Thomas
Jefferson

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at December 07, 2012 04:17 PM (EZl54)

330 ...plus a lot of our kids wear the uniforms that keep you and your ilk safe from those threats in the world.
Posted by: crowsting at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (61BD9)

Put the infantry cord on my son's shoulder during his Turning Blue ceremony at Ft. Benning last week. Proudest moment of my life.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 04:22 PM (vtiE6)

331 Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (+lsX1)

Scott Walker didn't do a very good job convincing his constituents not to vote for Obama who will federalize his ass sooner than later. You act like this is a State argument rather than a Federal one.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 04:23 PM (m2CN7)

332 My personal cut is that as far as states go. If your state is beyond hope.* That you A. Make LiB a local thing and stop trying to shield them from their insanity. B. For God's sake get out if you feasibly can and stop supporting them with your efforts.


(FTR the following states are beyond hope as I have arbitrarily made a cutoff at 53% supporting BO)

1. California
2. Illinois
3. New York
4. Oregon
5. Washington
6. Maryland
7. Delaware
8. New Jersey
9. Michigan
10. Connecticut
11. Rhode Island
12. Massachusetts
13. Vermont
14. Maine


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:25 PM (0q2P7)

333 liberal media isn't a "conspiracy," it's just a set of assumptions they start with that they think are fair but are tilted left. surprised there are leftoids still disputing this

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 04:28 PM (60GaT)

334 They let it burn in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Now after the forest fire is over, little sprouts of freedom are springing up in those areas as you pointed out.
It's a natural progression.


It's a natural progression when people continue to fight for sane policies and offer reasonable alternatives. Just because it burned in Wisconsin and Michigan doesn't mean the burning was a conscious policy on behalf of wily old Bre'r Conservative to lose on purpose. Contrast those states with California and Illinois and Rhode Island. They've burned longer and hotter and the natural progression is nowhere in sight. I would rather take my chances with participating in a turnaround rather than surrendering and just counting on fate to make it all work out someday.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 07, 2012 04:29 PM (+lsX1)

335 >>>lies in intentionally surrendering freedoms is obviously stupid. Have you ever seen that happen anywhere, ever?

Nope. But in fairness modern representative governments only have about 200 years of history from which to draw. What I do know, is the strategy that has been beating us for 100 years is that America will never support a quick change to socialism, so that it must be done slowly.

So shocking the electorate with DOOM is risky, I openly admit that and BEG for a better plan.

I'm begging now GEH. If you have a better idea let's hear it. Please show me any way we could do this another way and win. Please

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:40 PM (0q2P7)

336 The problem with the Left is that they're not happy with winning. They want to be beaten.

They want you to beat them.

Posted by: Fritz at December 07, 2012 04:40 PM (ZA675)

337 I think you're pointing your accusatory fingers in the wrong direction. First of all - Wall Street got us into this financial mess. Second -you have so much scorn for the poor while the wealthy are extracting obscene amounts of wealth from our economy, socking it away in trust funds for their grand kids and off-shore accounts while paying workers less and less, while those workers produce more and more. You actually believe the poor are our problem and not the rich. You decry wealth redistribution while the great redistribution of wealth has already occurred right under your noses. You missed it. Check the numbers in wealth disparity since the 1950's - check it out... You're on the wrong side dudes! I'm sure it must be very satisfying to congratulate yourself on a daily basis for not being on welfare and begrudge those who are but seriously folks - This is no time for angry, public jerk-off sessions. Actually it's quite disgusting to watch.

Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 04:44 PM (msxj+)

338 Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 04:44 PM (msxj+)

Don't you have a OWS sit in somewhere to attend? Remember don't let the homeless people eat the food that was donated to OWS. Its your food dude.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 04:47 PM (m2CN7)

339 Productivity is up
Wages are down
Top 2% earnings are way, way up.

Nope - Its the poor. They're screwing us all.

Yup - That's it.

Apple Computer needs more educated workers to build a factory here. Obama wants to invest in education.

You guys want to give the rich a tax cut.

Ok - Thanks. Got it.

Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 04:53 PM (msxj+)

340 >>>I think you're pointing your accusatory fingers in the wrong direction.

1. CRA I/II Fannie Mae-Freddie Mac not wall street.
2. Crony Capitalism not Capitalism.
2. Despite capitalism begetting the highest standard of living the world has ever seen you still deride it.

Wealth is not money. Money is capital which one may invest, or spend on wealth. Money in an offshore trust fund still gets invested in the economy, creates jobs, gets paid to workers, who build their own wealth with it, and returns to origin typically with less than 10% of the additional value of the wealth that it created while driving the economy. When government however controls the money it destroys and wastes capital, making everybody less wealthy (see Soviet Union).

Some poor people are genuinely unlucky. They do deserve help, but not in the form of forced wealth redistribution. No one in this country is denied an opportunity to become wealthy. Your position is untenable.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 04:56 PM (0q2P7)

341 I think you're pointing your accusatory fingers in the wrong direction.

Of course you do, bless your heart.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 04:58 PM (evdj2)

342 Factory orders are down.

Factory jobs are down.

We need new refineries and pipelines

Obama won't allow them to be built

We need the capitalists to create more companines for more jobs. Obama wants to tax the successful so now they won't invest.

He even wants to raise the taxes on the hardworking, successful Registered Nurse and Overland Truck Driver that makes 250,000 a year as a couple

Yep I got it.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 05:00 PM (m2CN7)

343 Woob's just a nobody-here-but-us-liberals talking point machine. Part of LiFB is that I no longer try to reason people out of positions they weren't reasoned into to begin with.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 05:00 PM (evdj2)

344 >>>Apple Computer needs more educated workers to build a factory here. Obama wants to invest in education.

Wrongo. Ask Apple. They will tell you two things drive their decision to build in China. 1 time. Getting permission to build a factory in the US takes too long. 2 wages, they can pay the communist slaves next to nothing and treat them like dirt. Which is why all of Apple's design is done in the US and manufacturing is done in China. And you want to blame education?

1. Guess how much a teacher in China makes?
2. Guess how much China spends on education in $US per student vs the US.

But more money in the money hole the perpetual promise that perpetually fails.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at December 07, 2012 05:02 PM (0q2P7)

345 Ah, but many of us are not just throwing a temper tantrum. I for one am fully ready to cast off the Communist/National Socialists.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at December 07, 2012 05:12 PM (T/L2Z)

346 I'm sure it must be very satisfying to congratulate yourself on a daily basis for not being on welfare and begrudge those who are but seriously folks - This is no time for angry, public jerk-off sessions. Actually it's quite disgusting to watch.
Posted by: Woobly at December 07, 2012 04:44 PM (msxj+)

I don't care whatthe rich make, any of them. To paraphrase Lynard Skynard, I don't lust after the rich man's gold. With hard work, drive, and a profitable idea, I hope to be rich myself someday. But here's the thing about wealth: wealth creation is an expansive process, not a zero-sum game. In an uncorrupted system, when someone makes something, sells that something,and then earns a profit, that person is not stealing from you. No, really, I'm not kidding.

Historically, capitalism has created wealth, jobs, and technological progress. Socialism, on the other hand, has created gulags--which were (and are), according to Solzhenitsyn, the point of the whole enterprise.

And why did you come here, anyway? To feel somehow morally superior? To edify and enlighten our beknighted souls?

Jackass.

Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 05:20 PM (vtiE6)

347 this is the typical line, conservatives pointing out that dependency is a problem is "interpreted" (i.e. twisted) as "blaming poor people" for our problems. saw it during the campaign, no legit criticism of the HHS's welfare standards are possible, cuz it's wacist.

Posted by: JDP at December 07, 2012 05:30 PM (60GaT)

348
"This is what I hate more than anything else: the hypocrisy, the division of citizens into two classes, the Privileged Class, which has a broad license and range of liberty, and the Disfavored Underclass, whose liberty is sharply restricted."

Both sides play this game.

At the moment, it doesn't appear that either side is going to stop playing this game.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 07, 2012 05:48 PM (WwR1j)






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