Dec 7, 1941

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"In all my fifty years of public service I have never seen a document that was more crowded with infamous falsehoods and distortions - infamous falsehoods and distortions on a scale so huge that I never imagined that any government on this planet was capable of uttering them." --- Secretary of State Cordell Hull's response to the "Hull Note", or "Outline for Proposed Basis of Agreement Between the United States and Japan" Japanese notice that negotiations were at an impass, commonly called "The 14-part message." which was to have been delivered prior to the attack* but transcription took too long.

Had he lived to this day, he might never have imagined his own government was also capable of uttering such falsehoods and distortions.


* or that I could screw that up. Thanks Gromit

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 03:02 PM



Comments

1 they made it burn

Posted by: ROMAN MARONI at December 07, 2012 03:04 PM (KCCgc)

2 Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (QKKT0)

3 Ben Affleck sucked ass in this movie.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:05 PM (GQ8sn)

4 RESET?

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at December 07, 2012 03:06 PM (QKKT0)

5 and we survived.
LiB

Posted by: ROMAN MARONI at December 07, 2012 03:06 PM (KCCgc)

6 That whole movie sucked ass...

Posted by: Catmman! at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (C8XlI)

7 We learn the lessons of history so well, eh?

Posted by: chi-town Jerry at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (UTq/I)

8 The JEF must have studied that document in school.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:07 PM (YdQQY)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (5DR1j)

10 damn, first.
I have nothing left to live for

Posted by: ROMAN MARONI at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (KCCgc)

11 God bless all those who died on this day in 1941, and all those who would fight for the next four years in defense of this country and all she stood for.

Obama is not now, and never could be, the President of THAT America. Fuck FDR.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (4df7R)

12 Time to pull out Tora! Tora! Tora! again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (5DR1j)

13 And besides, FDR was a damn awful liar as well.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)

14 Anyone know the answer to this question -- the time I went to the Pearl Harbor Memorial in 1976 oil was still bubbling up from the ships. Is it still?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (feFL6)

15 Let's honor those who died and remember them this day.

But let's also remember that FDR used the war as his cover for programs that were found largely unconstitutional (until he stacked the SCOTUS) and are one of the main causes of today's problems which may very well put an end to our nation as we once knew it.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (LF3tQ)

16 @14: yes.

Posted by: Catmman! at December 07, 2012 03:09 PM (C8XlI)

17 If Obama is the anti-christ, FDR was his pre-generational avatar.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:09 PM (4df7R)

18 What Roosevelt needed to prevent WW II was somma dat smert diplomacy. Yeah, that woudda dunnit.

Posted by: maddogg at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (OlN4e)

19 Don't worry, give it a few more "textbook revision cycles" and World War II will finally be portrayed correctly as the imperialistic land-grab that it was for the United Kingdom and United States.

Those poor, poor workers fighting the Nazi onslaught without American help all those years...sigh. How could we have ever been so insensitive to their suffering?

Posted by: Oliver Stoned at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (hNXHo)

20
Had he lived to this day, he might never have imagined his own government was also capable of uttering such falsehoods and distortions.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 03:02 PM

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Falsehoods and distortions are the current administration's main product.

It's a full time job for them, coming up with new lies to cover up their older lies.

Posted by: wheatie at December 07, 2012 03:10 PM (CM59X)

21 Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

I'm half expecting SCOAMF to apologize for fighting back, but it's after three so I'm sure he's knocked off for the day.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (/kI1Q)

22
"In all my fifty years of public service I have never seen a document
that was more crowded with infamous falsehoods and distortions -
infamous falsehoods and distortions on a scale so huge that I never
imagined that any government on this planet was capable of uttering
them."









That reminds me, I can't WAIT to see the text for SCOAMF's second inaugural speech......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (TIIx5)

23 Marcus - no. Those thingsdid not coincide with war

Posted by: chi-town Jerry at December 07, 2012 03:12 PM (UTq/I)

24 >Had he lived to this day, he might never have imagined his own
government was also capable of uttering such falsehoods and distortions.
<

Please, he wasn't some choirboy. He experience it first-hand.

FDR was uttering many falsehoods while trying to transform this nation in his own image.

The damage is pretty clear for anyone living today.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (LF3tQ)

25 Anyone know the answer to this question -- the time I went to the Pearl Harbor Memorial in 1976 oil was still bubbling up from the ships. Is it still?
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:08 PM (feFL6)


As far as I know, yes. At a reduced rate, but yes, it still is.

Posted by: Bill H at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (3sZO1)

26 As far as I know, yes. At a reduced rate, but yes, it still is.
Posted by: Bill H at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (3sZO1)


I'm surprised the asshole regressives haven't demanded some kind of salvage operation to remove the oil tanks and "preserve Mother Gaia's harmonious ocean balance."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (4df7R)

27 December 7, 1941 8:00 am local Pearl Harbor time.

Shit. Got. Real.

RIP brave warriors.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (BAS5M)

28 Woodrow Wilson = FDR = Oa$$O

Posted by: TinCan at December 07, 2012 03:15 PM (pTUgQ)

29 Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

I don't negotiate.

Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (SY2Kh)

30 21
Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

I'm half expecting SCOAMF to apologize for fighting back, but it's after three so I'm sure he's knocked off for the day.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 03:11 PM (/kI1Q)
I thought he already apologized for the A-bomb

Posted by: Alex of somewhere at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (uFY4s)

31 Whatever the lefties in the 'ban the bomb' movement may say, who can deny that the existence of atomic weapons has brought about the longest period of worldwide peace in a couple thousand years?

Part two of question, why are they incensed that the USA has the bomb, but not incensed that Iran is working toward that end?

// 'the Joos' is not considered an appropriate response

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (feFL6)

32 29
Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

I don't negotiate.


Posted by: SMOD at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (SY2Kh)
Good, Negotiating while weak is bad, you go and get closer to earth

Posted by: Alex of somewhere at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (uFY4s)

33 You know, thinking about those years makes me really angry at today's "Anti-War" protestors.

My own grandfather (well, one of them) was a Conscientious Objector. He elected to work at a shipyards in California, and then moved back to his family farm after his dad became ill (both of which were considered "essential to the war effort").

I never heard him say a negative word about the military in my life.

Now? You're lucky if some peacenik "just" calls you names if you're in the military. You might as well wear your rain-gear some days.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:17 PM (5DR1j)

34 31
Whatever the lefties in the 'ban the bomb' movement may say, who can
deny that the existence of atomic weapons has brought about the longest
period of worldwide peace in a couple thousand years?



Part two of question, why are they incensed that the USA has the bomb, but not incensed that Iran is working toward that end?



// 'the Joos' is not considered an appropriate response

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (feFL6)
They hate there own culture.

Posted by: Alex of somewhere at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (uFY4s)

35 Don't worry. Liberals just need a few more years and then they'll finally have lulled enough people to sleep that they'll be going after that environmental catastrophy...sigh.

Pearl Harbor oil leak is precious to some, but a worry to others
Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times

Although the oil might pose a serious environmental risk, there is no disputing that it adds to the emotional effect of the memorial.

http://bit.ly/UKxAbf

Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (hNXHo)

36 I thought he already apologized for the A-bomb
Posted by: Alex of somewhere at December 07, 2012 03:16 PM (uFY4s)


They asked him not to. The last thing they needed after Fukushima, and in a country where a huge part of their electrical grid is powered by nuclear energy, was the dipshit Preezy apologizing for America nuking them nearly seventy years ago.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:18 PM (4df7R)

37 33
You know, thinking about those years makes me really angry at today's "Anti-War" protestors.

My
own grandfather (well, one of them) was a Conscientious Objector. He
elected to work at a shipyards in California, and then moved back to his
family farm after his dad became ill (both of which were considered
"essential to the war effort").

I never heard him say a negative word about the military in my life.

Now?
You're lucky if some peacenik "just" calls you names if you're in the
military. You might as well wear your rain-gear some days.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:17 PM (5DR1j)
Well said, it is amazing the vehement hatred that pacifists emit from there frothing mouths

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (uFY4s)

38 My other Grandfather was a veteran. Go figure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (5DR1j)

39 I salute Kate Beckinsale's appearance in that movie.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (BAS5M)

40 >Posted by: chi-town Jerry at December 07, 2012 03:12 PM (UTq/I)
<

Well I would agree it started before the war, it jumped into high-gear. That includes continued appointments to SCOTUS starting in January 1941.

Look at Act's/SCOTUS case passed during the war

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (LF3tQ)

41

Obviously the Japanese demonstration at Pearl harbor was an understandable reaction to the provocative movie "The Good Earth", a film whose incendiary anti-Japanese bigotry the American government rejects.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (kdS6q)

42 Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.




Damn straight. And the only reason the U.S. wouldnt acqueisce to the Jap's imperial ambtious was because they were yellow. They were more than willing to fight for Britian!

Posted by: Under 30 Hipster! at December 07, 2012 03:20 PM (/YJYi)

43 I think the "hate" phenomenon Ace was talking about is kind of interesting in itself.

We never used to talk this way about each other. That's why Chait's article was so startling. We were America, one nation, and our grandfather might have thought FDR was a commie SOB (he did), but he never would have imagined running around saying that he "hated" him. We were in it together.

I wonder if the "hate" theme that's so common today means we are no longer one nation--one concept. Maybe the idea of America has become so weakened at the core by the Left and its relentless attack on American values that the nation is now hopelessly, irreparably divided.

The notion of "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all" has been replaced by a divided nation in which socialism is substituted for God, government largesse for liberty, and identity politics for justice.

E pluribus unum? No; e pluribus plurimum. When an idea dies, there is no way to revive it.

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)

44 I salute Kate Beckinsale's appearance in that movie.

Dude. A salute typically requires your hands.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (5DR1j)

45 It will be interesting to see the reaction of the left when we actually get into another war as a result of there policies weakening the united states. Indochina is starting to arm themselves against china, the middleast will go nuclear do to Iran, and do to its size I think Brazil will also go Nuclear during this time period.

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (uFY4s)

46 Well said, it is amazing the vehement hatred that pacifists emit from there frothing mouths
Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:19 PM (uFY4s)


Just one more example of regressive newspeak and doublethink. The words "pacifist" and "frothing hatred" should not make sense when paired together; but when describing regressive anti-war protesters they do, because we've been programmed to believe they're synonomous.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (4df7R)

47 Visited the memorial in 2005...there is a sense of deep respect, dread, anger, and sadness that you can feel all around you.

I was also amazed at just how small the harbor actually is....our boys never had a chance.

Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:22 PM (9ScGj)

48 SCOTUS starting in January 1941.

So... nearly a year before.

Sorry, while I know that FDR was still pushing his socialist/marxist agenda during the War, I don't think the War specifically helped it one way or the other.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:23 PM (5DR1j)

49 43
I think the "hate" phenomenon Ace was talking about is kind of interesting in itself.



We never used to talk this way about each other. That's why Chait's
article was so startling. We were America, one nation, and our
grandfather might have thought FDR was a commie SOB (he did), but he
never would have imagined running around saying that he "hated" him. We
were in it together.



I wonder if the "hate" theme that's so common today means we are no
longer one nation--one concept. Maybe the idea of America has become so
weakened at the core by the Left and its relentless attack on American
values that the nation is now hopelessly, irreparably divided.



The notion of "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for
all" has been replaced by a divided nation in which socialism is
substituted for God, government largesse for liberty, and identity
politics for justice.



E pluribus unum? No; e pluribus plurimum. When an idea dies, there is no way to revive it.

Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)
The reason for this is that with Wilson, FDR, and even Johnson, Hatred of America was not public policy. Anti-americanism developed with Carter onward

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:24 PM (uFY4s)

50 The words "pacifist" and "frothing hatred" should not make sense when
paired together; but when describing regressive anti-war protesters they
do


That's not the weird one. I'm certain even principled pacifists can have "frothing hatred" for something or some one.

The one that gives me trouble (because I know it's accurate) is "Militant Pacifist." o_O

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:24 PM (5DR1j)

51 44
I salute Kate Beckinsale's appearance in that movie.

Dude. A salute typically requires your hands.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (5DR1j)
Fapping requires more than one hand?

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:25 PM (uFY4s)

52 I was also amazed at just how small the harbor actually is....our boys never had a chance.

Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:22 PM (9ScGj)


Battleship Row

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 03:25 PM (Cnqmv)

53 Dave In Texas,

Hull's comment was not about the Hull Note. Hull was talking with understandable indignation about a 14-part statement (basically saying, OK, no deal, but not mentioning, oh, bombings) given to him in person by two Japanese diplomats who, unaware of the Pearl Harbor attack, were visiting Hull to deliver that statement.

The Hull Note was from Hull himself to Japan, proposing a deal the prior month.

Posted by: Gromit at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (4KOF2)

54 >I have never seen a document that was more crowded with infamous
falsehoods and distortions - infamous falsehoods and distortions on a
scale so huge that I never imagined that any government on this planet
was capable of uttering them."


just read the Congressional Record on any weekday

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (8sCoq)

55

The notion of "one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for

all" has been replaced by a divided nation in which socialism is

substituted for God, government largesse for liberty, and identity

politics for justice.


Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)
That is the best Quote on this blog today

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 03:26 PM (uFY4s)

56 Militant Pacifist is a really strange term

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (uFY4s)

57 Fapping requires more than one hand?

AllenG is just bragging. Again.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (BAS5M)

58 There are places at Pearl where you can still see bullet holes.
Gives one pause.

Posted by: Roland THTG at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (I7O5y)

59 Fapping requires more than one hand?

No. But that's fapping. Saluting is something different. At least, by it's dictionary definition.

O/T random thought- how did the guy from "My Left Foot" fap?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (5DR1j)

60 Have we bashed the movie Pearl Harbor yet?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (8sCoq)

61 57
Fapping requires more than one hand?



AllenG is just bragging. Again.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 07, 2012 03:27 PM (BAS5M)
May Gangrene set in if that is the case

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:28 PM (uFY4s)

62 Have we bashed the movie Pearl Harbor yet?

You mean we didn't earlier?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:28 PM (5DR1j)

63 Although the oil might pose a serious environmental risk, there is no disputing that it adds to the emotional effect of the memorial.

That's what really hit me, as just little more then a teenage a buncha decades ago, seeing the oil slick on an otherwise pristine harbor. I really don't give a crap if it still bubbles up for the next 1,000 years.

Those who do not learn from history are destined to annoy me.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:28 PM (feFL6)

64 I liked the movie tora tora tora

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:29 PM (uFY4s)

65 Where is Everybody?

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:30 PM (uFY4s)

66 I spent some time in the mid 80's working out on Ford Island... had to ride the Ferry to work every day....

Really put my job in the Navy in perspective....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 03:31 PM (lZBBB)

67 The words "pacifist" and "frothing hatred" should not make sense when paired together; but when describing regressive anti-war protesters they do, because we've been programmed to believe they're synonomous.

No programming necessary. Just observe.

Posted by: fluffy at December 07, 2012 03:31 PM (ZHaFV)

68 >> The Hull Note was from Hull himself to Japan, proposing a deal the prior month.

D'oh! I misremembered. Thanks, I fix

Posted by: Dave in Texas at December 07, 2012 03:31 PM (WvXvd)

69 From Here to Eternity on TCM

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:31 PM (jE38p)

70 I guess Pearl Harbor sucked
Just a little bit more than I miss you

Posted by: Hard Right at December 07, 2012 03:31 PM (uhftQ)

71 64
I liked the movie tora tora tora


Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:29

Saw that at the Shirley Street Theatre in Nassau, The Bahamas in 1971.

Great hotdogs!

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:32 PM (KUPae)

72 Sorry, while I know that FDR was still pushing his socialist/marxist agenda during the War, I don't think the War specifically helped it one way or the other.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:23 PM (5DR1j)


I think what the war did was give FDR this kind of rosy glow in the eyeglasses of history. "It's war and he's our president! Rally round the flag!" So while that might not have done anything to necessarily advance his socialist policies during his presidency, what it DID do was cast him in an aura of reverance and impenetrability in post-war years. Arguing with any of his domestic policies would instantly be met with, "How can you say that the man who shepherded America through most of WWII was a bad President? Without him we'd all be speaking German or Japanese now!"

Andyou have to couple that with the post-War economic boom that was at least partially attributed to FDRs policies: "He got us out of the Depression, led us through a terrible war, and now look at us. Shiny as a new penny!"

What WWII did, IMO, was gild FDR's lily for so long and to such an extent that we're only now willing to speak up and say, "FDR's policies HURT the economy." And when we say that, there are always so many voices in the crowd shouting us down that it's impossible to be heard. FDR is their patron saint.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:32 PM (4df7R)

73 Don't worry, give it a few more "textbook revision cycles" and World War II will finally be portrayed



it's like textbooks have become wiki pages, now

Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 03:32 PM (LpQbZ)

74 FDR was uttering many falsehoods while trying to transform this nation in his own image.

The damage is pretty clear for anyone living today.


Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (LF3tQ)



I hope that crippled commie bastard is rotting in hell

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 03:33 PM (1Jaio)

75 71
64

I liked the movie tora tora tora




Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:29

Saw that at the Shirley Street Theatre in Nassau, The Bahamas in 1971.

Great hotdogs!


Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 07, 2012 03:32 PM (KUPae)
It was one of three movies about the war we watched in the 9th grade. We even got to make a persuasive essay on the usage of the bomb. That was a good English class

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:33 PM (uFY4s)

76 74
FDR was uttering many falsehoods while trying to transform this nation in his own image.

The damage is pretty clear for anyone living today.




Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:13 PM (LF3tQ)


I hope that crippled commie bastard is rotting in hell


Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 03:33 PM (1Jaio)
Don't worry, he more than likely is in hell

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:34 PM (uFY4s)

77 Is it the time of day or simply the thread that is causing the lack of commentators

Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:35 PM (uFY4s)

78 There has been some talk of trying to remove the leaking oil, but they never get anywhere because it would destroy the remains of the sunken ships - which is no go.

Posted by: Penfold at December 07, 2012 03:35 PM (Fbt5B)

79 78
There has been some talk of trying to remove the leaking oil, but they
never get anywhere because it would destroy the remains of the sunken
ships - which is no go.


Posted by: Penfold at December 07, 2012 03:35 PM (Fbt5B)
How much oil is it

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (uFY4s)

80 >48
SCOTUS starting in January 1941.<

OK gentlemen. Look at the events leading up to the war including Axis powers moves during the earlier part of FDR's administration (e.g. Italy in Ethiopia).

Look at certain world events and timing of polices. Don't just look at December 7th 1941. Look at monetary policy and the history of deals like the Neutrality Act that were used to cement policy.

Looks at how he used his veto during the war and how wartime spending was used to further his agenda. Look at the actual legislation passed or stalled during the wartime period.

I don't really have time for a full history lesson, But you will find what OI stated was true.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (LF3tQ)

81 What is Ace's Email Address, i need to email him about unbanning my home IP

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (uFY4s)

82 Is it the time of day or simply the thread that is causing the lack of commentators
Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:35 PM (uFY4s)


Maybe that and also this Country. Other than on here no one cares that it is Dec 7th. It's no longer a day to remember. Sad but True

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (jE38p)

83 MWR, I think Obama was hoping for the same effect with Libya and Egypt....."How can you criticize the man who brought democracy and freedom to the ME?"

Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:37 PM (9ScGj)

84 I've noticed that daves threads don't get a lot of commentators

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:37 PM (uFY4s)

85 83
MWR, I think Obama was hoping for the same effect with Libya and
Egypt....."How can you criticize the man who brought democracy and
freedom to the ME?"

Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:37 PM (9ScGj)
Boy did that work out well

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (uFY4s)

86 "How can you criticize the man who brought democracy and freedom to the ME?"
Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:37 PM (9ScGj)


David Ben Gurion?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (jE38p)

87 We even got to make a persuasive essay on the usage of the bomb.

I can't help but remember my 9th grade science class. We were given a "group project" which I normally hated, but my friends were in the class, and we all formed a group.

Each group was given a "country" with a couple of different industries/resources that they could use. You were supposed to write an essay on how you'd use your resources to interact with the other countries yadda, yadda. Typical liberal, feel-good clap-trap. I'm not even sure what it had to do with science, but whatever.

Our "country" had vast energy reserves and... something random. A candy industry? Something like that. So we decided to develop nukes and take over the world.

No one else had even considered such an approach, so we "won." That teacher never let us work together again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (5DR1j)

88 OT: White House Deletes Petition on 'kill US troops' Gangnam Style Rapper PSY at Obama Christmas Show http://tinyurl.com/bdyltwz

Posted by: Baldy at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (opS9C)

89 God bless all those who died onthis dayin 1941, and all those who would fight for the next four years in defense of this country and all she stood for.


Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (GFM2b)

90 87
We even got to make a persuasive essay on the usage of the bomb.

I
can't help but remember my 9th grade science class. We were given a
"group project" which I normally hated, but my friends were in the
class, and we all formed a group.

Each group was given a
"country" with a couple of different industries/resources that they
could use. You were supposed to write an essay on how you'd use your
resources to interact with the other countries yadda, yadda. Typical
liberal, feel-good clap-trap. I'm not even sure what it had to do with
science, but whatever.

Our "country" had vast energy reserves
and... something random. A candy industry? Something like that. So we
decided to develop nukes and take over the world.

No one else had even considered such an approach, so we "won." That teacher never let us work together again.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:38 PM (5DR1j)
O-oHe actually forbid you from working together, or did he simply never allow people to form there own groups

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:39 PM (uFY4s)

91 Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)


What you are missing is that yes, there was one other time in history when both sides hated each other and openly stated it.

One side thought the other side had violated the Constitution (they had), cared not for what they thought, and were evil devil worshiping money grubbers.


The other side thought their opponents were evil Simone LeGrees who raped, whipped, tortured black people and worshiped the devil.


The result was complete loss of the Constitution and the deaths of roughly 600,000 people in a nation that was roughly 32 million people.

The other

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:39 PM (YdQQY)

92 81
What is Ace's Email Address, i need to email him about unbanning my home IP


Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (uFY4s)


E-mail Andy....he's good at getting people unbanned.

See this thread. http://tinyurl.com/a6e5mkg for his contact info.

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 03:39 PM (X6akg)

93 Jeez this girl from legal has some giant boobs.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (MmK+i)

94 >I think what the war did was give FDR this kind of rosy glow in the
eyeglasses of history. "It's war and he's our president! Rally round
the flag!" So while that might not have done anything to necessarily
advance his socialist policies during his presidency, <

Absolutely true.

His picture was in almost everyone's house. There are still older folks today that revere the man. That is until you explain the history and actual problems which he created that we face today.

Then their faces look like someone who has been taken advantage of.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (LF3tQ)

95 Anyone know the answer to this question --the time I went to the Pearl Harbor Memorial in 1976 oil was still bubbling up from the ships. Is it still?

Yes. Per the Military History Channel and their documentaries.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (GFM2b)

96 FDR is their patron saint.
Yep.
My husband says his grandmother would march into the polling place and announce, "I'm voting all democrats for FDR!" In like, the late70s.

Posted by: Gem at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (zw+pb)

97 MWR, I think Obama was hoping for the same effect with Libya and Egypt....."How can you criticize the man who brought democracy and freedom to the ME?"

Posted by: Icedog at December 07, 2012 03:37 PM (9ScGj)


ABSOLUTELY. That's the same reason you won't seem him say a damn thing about Morsi, and why he desperately wants Benghazi to just go away and be forgotten. He wants his legacy to be "brought freedom and democracy to the middle east," the same way that FDR and Truman are credited with saving Europe and Japan from fascism.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (4df7R)

98 He actually forbid you from working together, or did he simply never allow people to form there own groups

She forbade us from working together.

It was okay. We were subversive enough even without group projects.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (5DR1j)

99 Maybe that and also this Country. Other than on here
no one cares that it is Dec 7th. It's no longer a day to remember. Sad
but True

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (jE38p)




In 2000, I was working at a bank in Chicago. My just out of college (many from Big 10 schools) co-workers (who were all for Gore) had no clue what happened on Dec. 7. They also didn't know what year we landed on the moon. One didn't even know what country we got our independence from. I asked them how could they not know what happened on Dec. 7, 1941. One response was, If we don't know it must not be important. Again all Democrats

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (1Jaio)

100 The movie "The Final Countdown" about a modern Carrier being transported
in time to 1941 is great fantasy. Well up till they get yanked back and
don't get to change the war that is.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080736/

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 03:41 PM (tf9Ne)

101 I know a lot of you are under the impression that the aftermath of LiB will be regionalism, with a weakened and/or collapsed federal government, but I'm afraid that is not the likely outcome.

For an imperfect preview, look to our past to see our future. Namely, the last era in which the US was in major crisis- the Great Depression followed by WWII.

People rally around the flag when the SHTF, not away from it. What we saw was an unprecedented expansion of federal powers at the expense of the states and personal liberty.

Rationing, confiscation, loss of civil liberties- that's what we have to look forward to. Not a Red State Renaissance. And the only cures have been deemed too bitter to swallow.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 03:41 PM (SY2Kh)

102 Jeez this girl from legal has some giant boobs.

And where are the pics?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:41 PM (5DR1j)

103 >93
Jeez this girl from legal has some giant boobs. <

Pictures or it didn't happen.

On second thought. It's legal. Forget it...

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:42 PM (LF3tQ)

104 Gee Superman is in From Here to Eternity

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (jE38p)

105 91
Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)


What you are missing is that yes, there was one other time in history when both sides hated each other and openly stated it.

One
side thought the other side had violated the Constitution (they had),
cared not for what they thought, and were evil devil worshiping money
grubbers.


The other side thought their opponents were evil
Simone LeGrees who raped, whipped, tortured black people and worshiped
the devil.


The result was complete loss of the Constitution
and the deaths of roughly 600,000 people in a nation that was roughly 32
million people.

The other
In a straw poll on a steamboat in a south leading up to the 1860 election there were 200 votes. 197 for the three democrats, 2 for the devil, and one for Lincoln. They tied up the lincoln voter, tarred and feathered him, then through him into the Mississippi.
Also I would add that one side believed in ownership of humans while the other didn't

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (uFY4s)

106 93
Jeez this girl from legal has some giant boobs.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (MmK+i)


Don't stare....she's from legal!

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (X6akg)

107 I have family that worshiped FDR right up until they voted for Reagan and became Republicans.

Now they are like- we got fooked again.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (LF3tQ)

108 Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 03:21 PM (DrC22)

Not quite true. Political discourse based on hate was present. Isolationists before WWII were numerous and anarchists were more dangerousin the early 20th centurythen they are now.

It definitely was not always a united front as portrayed. Unions were also a problem that had to be addressed.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (m2CN7)

109 92
81

What is Ace's Email Address, i need to email him about unbanning my home IP




Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:36 PM (uFY4s)


E-mail Andy....he's good at getting people unbanned.

See this thread. http://tinyurl.com/a6e5mkg for his contact info.


Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 03:39 PM (X6akg)
I don't see his contact information there

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (uFY4s)

110 Had Roosevelt bowed to Emperor Hirohito once or twice, this all might have been avoided.

ICWYDT.

If that happened today TFG would be on theway to Vegas. I'm not even really kidding. Does anybody think he would do anything?

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2012 03:44 PM (fsLdt)

111 ::ictures or it didn't happen.

On second thought. It's legal. Forget it...:::

You see the dilemma.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:44 PM (MmK+i)

112 I've noticed that daves threads don't get a lot of commentators

We have to type slow until he gets his new set of bifocals.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 03:44 PM (SY2Kh)

113 98
He actually forbid you from working together, or did he simply never allow people to form there own groups

She forbade us from working together.

It was okay. We were subversive enough even without group projects.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (5DR1j)
That wouldn't go over well today. You can't ban something like that for non-academic reasons

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:45 PM (uFY4s)

114 My husband says his grandmother would march into the polling place and announce, "I'm voting all democrats for FDR!" In like, the late70s.
Posted by: Gem at December 07, 2012 03:40 PM (zw+pb)


Bingo. And those Democrats -- the "Ma and Pa Kettle" democrats I call them -- are the ones who form the last legitimate shreds of the Democrat base; the part of the base that isn't actually the fringe. And they'll keep voting Democrat until everyone who was born an FDR voter, and their children who voted for Kennedy and Carter, and their children who voted for Clinton, and THEIR children who voted for Obama, are all dead.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:45 PM (4df7R)

115
I don't see his contact information there


Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:43 PM (uFY4s)







But if you enter a comment and it never makes it to the blog, or if
it makes it to the blog briefly but then goes away, I should be able to
get that cleared up pretty quickly if you'll email the following
information to andy at aoshq d0t ©om.

Your IP address*Your IP hash (if you know it)The primary nickname you use when commenting

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 03:45 PM (X6akg)

116 Thank you for the thread, Dave. Is good to talk about this.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 03:45 PM (I2LwF)

117 The oil still leaks, men are still where they fell on Dec 7th 1941, and new Remains of the Dead are still interned with their fellow shipmates to this day.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (jE38p)

118 Also I would add that one side believed in ownership of humans while the other didn't

Not true. There were slave owners who sided with the Union. Not many, but some. Also, Lincoln himself said that, if it would have preserved the union, he'd have kept slavery legal.

The differences were so deep, there was no reconciliation without war. Slavery just happened to be the excuse.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (5DR1j)

119 Gee Superman is in From Here to Eternity

If I ever recommended movies (which I don't) I would recommend Hollywoodland.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (fsLdt)

120 Reagan talked of his admiration for FDR.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (m2CN7)

121 Boy do they hire a lot of freaky creeps down here.

Posted by: The Girl From Legal With The Big Boobs at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (QKKT0)

122 Now i see it, i look like such a dumbass right now don't I

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (uFY4s)

123 If I ever recommended movies (which I don't) I would recommend Hollywoodland.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (fsLdt)

I've seen that in pieces many many times. Not bad

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (jE38p)

124 The only other time I've read "legal" and "boobs" in one sentence it related to a lawsuit.

Just sayin...

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (LF3tQ)

125 What is ace's email, anyway?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (MmK+i)

126 For an imperfect preview, look to our past to see our future. Namely,the last era inwhichthe US was in major crisis- the Great Depression followed by WWII.

People rally around the flag when the SHTF, not away from it. What we saw was an unprecedented expansion of federal powers at the expense of the states and personal liberty.

Rationing, confiscation,lossof civil liberties-that's what we have to look forward to. Not a Red State Renaissance.


That's because the feral goobermint wasn't broke at the time. How much rallying do you expect when the EBT cards aren't reloaded and the SS checks aren't mailed out?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (GFM2b)

127 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:46 PM (5DR1j)


I was trying to avoid getting into a debate which will always degrade into a flame war. I presented the hate part and the end result.


That is what we are currently facing.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (YdQQY)

128 You see the dilemma.

No...you see the dilemma. Get it?

Okay...that didn't make sense.

Posted by: eleven at December 07, 2012 03:48 PM (fsLdt)

129 Could FDR's reputation be the reason that an otherwise extremely patriotic gun-loving WWII veteran would support Obama?

Posted by: Pyrocles at December 07, 2012 03:48 PM (cv5Iw)

130 He didn't bow or apologize, but he did commemorate the day today with a photo-- of himself.

Link to Twitchy in sig if you dare.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 03:48 PM (I2LwF)

131 Once you devolve into hating your opponent and giving him attributes of the "devil" it justifies anything you want to do.


ANYTHING

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (YdQQY)

132 Could FDR's reputation be the reason that an otherwise extremely patriotic gun-loving WWII veteran would support Obama?
Posted by: Pyrocles at December 07, 2012 03:48 PM (cv5Iw)

No, more likely dementia

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (jE38p)

133
84I've noticed that daves threads don't get a lot of commentators

His football threads do.
But the historical ones like this...well, a lot of people try to stay respectful of the topic.

Posted by: wheatie at December 07, 2012 03:49 PM (CM59X)

134 You see the dilemma.

I see no dilemma. Post pics. Simple.

Whether that causes... *some complications* for you is not really my concern, now is?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (5DR1j)

135 This time of day on a Friday, the threads are always light.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (jE38p)

136 What is ace's email, anyway?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:47 PM (MmK+i)


It used to be in the sidebar on the mainpage, but I don't know how long ago that was.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (4df7R)

137 Also out of over 2 million votes cast, lincoln only got about 3000 votes in all the southern states other than Maryland and Deleware

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (uFY4s)

138 Ace-mail is in the top left hand corner under "contact".

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (YdQQY)

139 What is ace's email, anyway?>>

Ewok1@moonofendor.com

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (tf9Ne)

140 He didn't bow or apologize, but he did commemorate the day today with a photo-- of himself.

Lemme guess. Barky, sitting at an antiaircraft gun wearing a helmet Jane Fonda style.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (QKKT0)

141 136: yah i kept trying that one to little success

Posted by: Alex of soon to be home at December 07, 2012 03:50 PM (uFY4s)

142 >120
Reagan talked of his admiration for FDR<

That was the first President RR voted for. He even liked to call himself a "New Dealer".

But he changed his mind after switching parties and becoming more conservative.

While he still spoke warmly about certain qualities (e.g. leadership) RR was very clear how he disagreed with FDR's policies. Not bombastically, but factually.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (LF3tQ)

143 My wife's late dad was on board the Nevada. After the order to abandon ship, the fire and smoke was so horrible that no one knew which side to jump from. If you jumped starboard, you lived. Port, you died.

He jumped starboard. For several days afterwards he was listed as missing, presumed dead. In fact, he was pulling bodies (or in many cases parts of bodies) from the water.

I never met the man, but he was somewhat of a local celebrity in his hometown in Wisconsin. Every year, the local paper would interview him. I have heard some of his experiences from tape recordings and it is just awe-inspiring and terrible.

G-d bless those who fell that day, and those who lived to see the absolute victory they won for us. I feel so horrible that those left have to bear witness to how they were stabbed in the back by many of their children and grandchildren.

G-d Bless America.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (XkWWK)

144 Full Pearl Harbor Casualty List

http://www.usswestvirginia.org/ph/phlist.php

Freedom is not Free

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (jE38p)

145 AH! Forget I said that. Not the main page -- the lefthand sidebar while in the comments section. Up near the top of the page. I doubt it's his "official" email, but it's the official email of the blog.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (4df7R)

146 Could FDR's reputation be the reason that an otherwise extremely patriotic gun-loving WWII veteran would support Obama?
Posted by: Pyrocles at December 07, 2012 03:48 PM (cv5Iw)


Yep.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 03:52 PM (4df7R)

147 So what was in the "14 part message"?

Posted by: BignJames at December 07, 2012 03:53 PM (HtUkt)

148 That's because the feral goobermint wasn't broke at the time. How much
rallying do you expect when the EBT cards aren't reloaded and the SS
checks aren't mailed out?


They'll riot and complain, but will be expected to make sacrifices, just like the rest of us. What- you didn't think you'd still be able to keep your money, did you?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 03:53 PM (SY2Kh)

149
130 He didn't bow or apologize, but he did commemorate the day today with a photo-- of himself.

Link to Twitchy in sig if you dare.

----------

So he recycled a photo of himself from last year?

He knows he doesn't have to keep up the pretense of 'caring' anymore.
He's King now.

Posted by: wheatie at December 07, 2012 03:54 PM (CM59X)

150 I noticed a piece on Drudge where an alleged "artist" from Sweden is using the ashes of Nazi camp victims to create drawings.

This guy deserves a good talking-to, and by talking-to I mean a boot to the groin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 03:54 PM (XkWWK)

151 Besides "infamous falsehoods and distortions".

Posted by: BignJames at December 07, 2012 03:54 PM (HtUkt)

152 But the historical ones like this...well, a lot of people try to stay respectful of the topic.

Some of the fallen would probably have appreciated the girl from legal with the baby lambs, at least.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 03:55 PM (/kI1Q)

153 This guy deserves a good talking-to, and by talking-to I mean a boot to the groin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 03:54 PM (XkWWK)

There was a time

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 03:55 PM (jE38p)

154 Ok, thanks MWR and Vic.

And screw you, AllenG, you selfish sumbitch.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 03:56 PM (MmK+i)

155 "Falsehoods and distortions are the current administration's main product"

Who says we don't make anything anymore?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 07, 2012 03:57 PM (zpqa2)

156 So what was in the "14 part message"?

Japan was about to scrap the peace talks and declare war.

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 03:57 PM (GQ8sn)

157 I don't comment on Dave threads because I think he hates me. But I read them.

Posted by: Truman North at December 07, 2012 03:58 PM (5AfNn)

158 And screw you, AllenG, you selfish sumbitch.

Who? Me? You're the one who's keeping the baby lambs to yourself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 03:58 PM (5DR1j)

159 He didn't bow or apologize, but he did commemorate the day today with a photo-- of himself.

To unwind, he went out and hit 18 holes-in-one.

Posted by: fluffy at December 07, 2012 03:58 PM (ZHaFV)

160 Also, Lincoln himself said that, if it would have preserved the union, he'd have kept slavery legal.

Fast forward to today, where thanks to EBT cards, food stamps, and 'progressive' policy, we 'enslave' millions in substandard housing, cities with grossly inferior education, and the recipients of this largess are quite happy to endorse the status quo.

New 'slavery' isn't that much different then 'old' slavery. Except the part about spending a couple hours a day picking cotton.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 03:59 PM (feFL6)

161 >>Jeez this girl from legal has some giant boobs.

Don't get me started. Some of the girls from our Guadalajara plant are here.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 07, 2012 04:00 PM (epxV4)

162
152...Some of the fallen would probably have appreciated the girl from legal with the baby lambs, at least.

No question about that.

Reminds me of that scene in 'Operation Petticoat' where the amply endowed nurse passed by the sailors, and someone said "Gentlemen, this is what we're fighting for".
Heh.

Posted by: wheatie at December 07, 2012 04:00 PM (CM59X)

163 64 I liked the movie tora tora tora
Posted by: Alex of somewhere with a lot of socks, but no pairs at December 07, 2012 03:29 PM (uFY4s)

Actually it's quite good, especially the late Jerry Goldsmith's electrifying score.

I have the DVD and there it includes quite a bit of extra footage, although it has none of the scenes of FDR's advisor Harry Hopkins, played by the great William Schallert. I think he has about 15-20 minutes of scenes and none were used because the picture was running too long.

OT, Schallert, who played Poppa on "The Patty Duke Show" was once president of the Screen Actors Guild and at one point in his career, he either was a regular or guest star on almost every TV show between the mid 50's well into the early 80's.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 04:01 PM (XkWWK)

164 ::::Who? Me? You're the one who's keeping the baby lambs to yourself.:::

Dude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise. How am I going to surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat without getting myself deported?

Or divorced?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 04:02 PM (MmK+i)

165
You so smaht yankee? Who wonna secun wah wah?

Posted by: Jap Sub Captain from Gilligan's Island at December 07, 2012 04:03 PM (tOkJB)

166 Fast forward to today, where thanks to EBT cards, food stamps, and
'progressive' policy, we 'enslave' millions in substandard housing,
cities with grossly inferior education, and the recipients of this
largess are quite happy to endorse the status quo.


Interesting take, there. I don't see them as the slaves. All they have to donot to be stuck in those things is a little (okay, a lot of) work. No, they're the slave owners. Or, at least, the people who are supported by the slave economy.

The slaves are the supposed Rich (as opposed to the actual rich), who have to work every day for their own living, and someone else's, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 04:04 PM (5DR1j)

167 >MDude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise.<

That little button top left side. Slide it until you see orange.

Voila- no noise!*

*THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED TO REPRESENT LEGAL ADVICE.

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 04:04 PM (LF3tQ)

168 >>With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounded determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God.

Tell them that in your fake ching-chong language.

Posted by: General Zod at December 07, 2012 04:05 PM (2+bRt)

169 Dude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise. How am I going to surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat without getting myself deported?

Or divorced?

pssst...'silent camera' app....look it up...

Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (fWAjv)

170 >Dude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise. How am I going to
surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat without getting
myself deported?



SETTINGS, PREFERENCES, SOMETHING


let's see that front porch

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (8sCoq)

171 Dude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise. How am I going to
surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat without getting
myself deported?



Or divorced?


Oh. See, I didn't realize you have a faggoty iPhone. My Android doesn't have that problem.

Could you concoct some excuse (a group lunch or something) and take pictures "for the company intra-net" or whatever?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 04:06 PM (5DR1j)

172 don't be too obvious about it but I'm talkin' fur n' early morning dew

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (8sCoq)

173 152...Some of the fallen would probably have appreciated the girl from legal with the baby lambs, at least. No question about that.

Ah yes. Speaking of which, in case everyone missed their military PC blood-pressure spike of the day:

The end of the airman's pin-up: U.S. Air Force orders pictures of naked women to be taken down after sexual assaults soar
Link to Daily Mail (UK): http://tiny.cc/bvsyow

Pictures and calendars featuring half-naked women will be stripped from U.S. Air Force work spaces and public areas under a widespread inspection to stamp out sexual assault in the armed forces.

Commanders and supervisors in all active, reserve and Air National Guard units have 10 days to complete the sweep for pin-up images or materials reminiscent of the all-male military from 20 or 30 years ago.

Air Force chief General Mark Welsh said having a culture where such objectification of women is tolerated may be contributing to reports of sexual assault increasing to more than 700 this year in the Air Force alone...


Say goodbye to your pin-up girls, lads.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (4df7R)

174 Hahahah! Look how many morons giving advice on how to take silent pics!!!

Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (X6akg)

175 Dude! This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise. How am I going to

surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat without getting

myself deported?



General -> Settings -> Sounds -> slider bar all the way to the left.


Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (GQ8sn)

176 So, the power just flickered here at my office.

Obviously, the servers are not on UPSs (UPSi?) because the entire infrastructure group just went completely Librarian Poo over it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (5DR1j)

177 :::That little button top left side. Slide it until you see orange.

Voila- no noise!*

*THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED TO REPRESENT LEGAL ADVICE.:::

I'll be damned. Thanks! I've been looking in Settings because that's where everything seems to be.

Unfortunately, you're five minutes too late. She just left.

If I were willing to be that creepy. Lets just be glad we don't have to find out.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (MmK+i)

178
After the most expensive campaign in U.S. history, President Obama is dropping his principled objection to some forms of political fundraising to help pay for the post-election party.

ABC News has learned that the Presidential Inaugural Committee will accept unlimited corporate donations to help fund Obama's inauguration festivities next month, reversing a voluntary ban on the money he imposed on the inaugural 4 years ago and during the 2012 Democrat National Convention.





What a shocker

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 04:08 PM (1Jaio)

179 >How am I going to

surreptitiously take a pic of her gorgeous sweater meat <

"Hey look- is that is that Matt Damon?". CLICK.

"Oh sorry, it was just some other dumbass".

What the heck every happened to creativity?

Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (LF3tQ)

180 I don't see them as the slaves. All they have to donot to be stuck in those things is a little (okay, a lot of) work. No, they're the slave owners. Or, at least, the people who are supported by the slave economy.

Yeah. We're the first slave society where the people sitting around enjoying small amusements all day are considered the underclass and the people working to support them are supposed to feel bad about being "privileged" to do so.

Posted by: HeatherRadishâ„¢ at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (/kI1Q)

181 Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 04:08 PM (1Jaio)

Color me stunned.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (5DR1j)

182 This faggoty iPhone makes a loud shutter noise.

Wait, didn't you dump on BCochran the other day for picking up an iPhone?

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 04:09 PM (GQ8sn)

183 I have a bunch of relatives, all over the country (some even overseas) and we keep in touch via an email tree. Today one elder wrote about that day. Here is what she wrote, misspellings and all. She is in her 90s.

It was a Sunday and I was on the floor in
our living room in Wheatland (I think I was reading the comics in the paper)
when it was announced that Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor, and of course, FDR
declared war on Japan shortly after that. I was devistated. We were
perhaps slightly better off financialy than in previous years and I
thought our lives were pretty good...I think we even had a car at that
time. But I couldn't imagine what would happen after that. Dad
became an air raid warden and walked the streets whenever we had a blackout to
insure no one had lights on, and I remember sitting on the front porch swing
waiting for him to come home in the dark. I think he also had to do some
duty watching the sky for planes on certain nights. We hada victory
garden, bought war bonds and 10 Cent savings stamps from schoolto put in a
book to buy a bond, and had the ration books that were comparable to gold.
There was gas rationing, sugar rationing and I can't remember what else was
rationed. We saved all the kitchen grease for the war effort and when we
went to the movies, they always had the war news on the screen so we knew bits
and pieces of what was happening on the war front. Uncle Paul and Uncle
Bill were in the service so we had much concern for them. The woman across
the street from us in Wheatland had a gold star in her window. One of the
Bullock boys was killed in the war.


Posted by: navybrat at December 07, 2012 04:10 PM (Ty7ja)

184 >Hahahah! Look how many morons giving advice on how to take silent pics!!!


Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (X6akg)


This was all covered in Orientation.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:10 PM (8sCoq)

185 174 Hahahah! Look how many morons giving advice on how to take silent pics!!!
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (X6akg)


I need it for, umm, work I guess.

Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 04:10 PM (fWAjv)

186 Hahahah! Look how many morons giving advice on how to take silent pics!!!

We call it "boobeh pic crowd sourcing".

Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 04:10 PM (GQ8sn)

187 ABC News has learned that the Presidential Inaugural Committee will accept unlimited corporate donations to help fund Obama's inauguration festivities next month, reversing a voluntary ban on the money he imposed on the inaugural 4 years ago and during the 2012 Democrat National Convention.


Shakedown time.....it's an honored Chicago tradition.

Posted by: BignJames at December 07, 2012 04:10 PM (HtUkt)

188 If I were willing to be that creepy. Lets just be glad we don't have to find out.

It only would've been creepy if you tried to get topless pics by dropping a spider down her shirt first.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (SY2Kh)

189 I don't see them as the slaves.

Nor, do I suspect, that they see themselves that way. But what have they accomplished? Gone from overcrowded huts to overcrowded section 8 housing, gone from little or no education to little or no education in inferior schools. Gone from the 'massa' giving them enough food to continue their existence to having an EBT card loaded with enough money to fuel their continued existence.

They have swapped one form of slavery for another.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (feFL6)

190 I'm thinking about getting the Motorola Droid in the near future. Anybody give me a review?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (8sCoq)

191 infrastructure group just went completely Librarian Poo over it.

Librarian Poo? Is that the name of your newsletter?

Posted by: fluffy at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (ZHaFV)

192 :::Wait, didn't you dump on BCochran the other day for picking up an iPhone?:::

Yes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 04:12 PM (MmK+i)

193 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 04:02 PM (MmK+i)


There's this thing on side called a switch that mutes your phone...


You're welcome. I'll take your latest angercast as your gratitude.

Posted by: cajun carrot at December 07, 2012 04:13 PM (UZQM8)

194 Air Force chief General Mark Welsh said having a culture where such objectification of women is tolerated may be contributing to reports of sexual assault increasing to more than 700 this year in the Air Force alone... Say goodbye to your pin-up girls, lads.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 04:07 PM (4df7R)

Having a culture where men are attracted to women must be stopped! The humanity!!!!

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 04:13 PM (m2CN7)

195
Obviously, the servers are not on UPSs (UPSi?) because the entire infrastructure group just went completely Librarian Poo over it.

Terry Pratchett reference?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 04:14 PM (LJX4g)

196 They have swapped one form of slavery for another.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (feFL6)

Except before they had to work. Now all they do is sit around all day or walk around the streets aggravating people; or killing them.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 04:14 PM (YdQQY)

197 I liked revisionist history before it was just ideological. For instance, you can argue the point that Pearl Harbor was really lucky for us. For one thing, we weren't exactly distinguishing ourselves responding to Japan in the diplomatic forum. We were getting ourselves edged into the "traditional Europe" column, even though we did not want to be there.

Other than complaints over Japanese behavior in China, we didn't propose good reasons they shouldn't be entitled to an empire just like the other great powers. And they had split Germany's Pacific claims with us when we were allies. Trying to rally most Americans in a great war against Japanese expansion was probably a losing proposition. There was no moral high ground, in our citizens' eyes, in the aftermath of the Spheres of Influence.

Their battle fleet was newer than ours, their guns bigger, and their tactics tighter and better-practiced. Had we exchanged gentlemanly challenges and lined up existing battleships somewhere in the western Pacific (as the Japanese devoutly wished), we'd have lost. They were ready for that battle.

They were not ready for what they got, with raiding by carriers, disruption of their supply lines, long air missions, and island-hopping. All those tactics were improvisations, needed because our battle wagons were out of commission. Had the battleships survived, they would have been lost later with greater casualties.

Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 04:14 PM (qaVK+)

198 G-d Bless America.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 03:51 PM (XkWWK)

Amen. I wish the young ones of today had some reverence for the octogenarian set. Too many hippies in the 50-60 bunch.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 07, 2012 04:15 PM (3Y7RV)

199 I'm thinking about getting the Motorola Droid in the near future. Anybody give me a review?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (8sCoq)



Your output is pretty good but your work quality sucks.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 04:15 PM (QKKT0)

200 I'm thinking about getting the Motorola Droid in the near future. Anybody give me a review?

Which one? There's a ton of Motorola Droids.

I have the Droid Razr, I like it a lot aside from the shitty camera that Motorola uses in all their phones.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 04:15 PM (SY2Kh)

201 Except before they had to work. Now all they do is
sit around all day or walk around the streets aggravating people; or
killing them.


Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 04:14 PM (YdQQY)

I think some of them play games now!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 04:16 PM (Cnqmv)

202 I think some of them play games now!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 04:16 PM (Cnqmv)

Yeah, Pin the blame on the whitey.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 07, 2012 04:16 PM (3Y7RV)

203 And they had split Germany's Pacific claims with us when we were allies.
Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 04:14 PM (qaVK+)

----
Are you Australian?

Posted by: RioBravo at December 07, 2012 04:17 PM (eEfYn)

204 Let It Burn really means "Let the stupid voters enjoy 1970's British Fabian Socialism until they learn it does not work and rather sucks."

I don't think we will see secession or revolution.

Just slow decline and a realization that government sucks hard.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 07, 2012 04:17 PM (dZQh7)

205 Hey, I'm hoping to become a slave who plays XBox all day. All I need is for you guys to pay for my rent, my food, my electricity, my heat, and any medical care I have.

Oh, I'd also like a little walking around money to buy XBox games.

Oh, I also think I knocked up some chick so you're gonna have to pay for any kids she has.

Anyway, I just got the new Madden and Call of Duty, so I'm gonna be busy for a while. If you could just transfer the cash into my account at the first of the month that'd be great.

Oh, I also need the internet (for porn) and an iPhone.

Man, this slavery thing is more complicated than I realized. I'm sure I forgot something. I'll let you know. This Call of Duty game won't play itself. Later, suckers.

Posted by: New American Slave at December 07, 2012 04:18 PM (R+6Q+)

206 I think some of them play games now!

Between booty calls.

Posted by: HeatherRadishâ„¢ at December 07, 2012 04:18 PM (/kI1Q)

207
So it turns out the NY Subway Killer is a muzzie.

I did not know that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2012 04:18 PM (n/ubI)

208 Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 04:13 PM (m2CN7)

But Gay Porn Pinups will be A-OK, as they are Multicultural and all...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 04:18 PM (lZBBB)

209 Yeah, Pin the blame on the whitey.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 07, 2012 04:16 PM (3Y7RV)

Well keep in mind that not all of the FSB are black. There are quite a few Honey Boo Boos families out there, and not just in GA.

Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 04:19 PM (YdQQY)

210 The end of the airman's pin-up: U.S. Air Force orders pictures of naked women to be taken down after sexual assaults soar

Dude, I thought the hammer came down on this type of thing in the 80's (I was there).

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 07, 2012 04:19 PM (zpqa2)

211 So it turns out the NY Subway Killer is a muzzie.I did not know that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 07, 2012 04:18 PM (n/ubI)


The real question is, are you surprised?

I am not.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 04:20 PM (4df7R)

212 Well keep in mind that not all of the FSB are black. There are quite a few Honey Boo Boos families out there, and not just in GA.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 04:19 PM (YdQQY)

You are correct sir, I will edit.

Pin the blame on rich whitey.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at December 07, 2012 04:20 PM (3Y7RV)

213 Hey Romeo13, glad to see you in this thread. I meant to tell you your post last thread:

"
I think the most dangerous messege out there from the Left, is that all cultures are equal...."

Spot. On.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 07, 2012 04:20 PM (zpqa2)

214 Between booty calls.

I'd like to know what the story is with that. I only got one 'booty call' my entire life. Do I have to make the letter 'L' across my foreskin forehead or what?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:22 PM (feFL6)

215 Could FDR's reputation be the reason that an otherwise extremely patriotic gun-loving WWII veteran would support Obama?

It's been my experience that so many World War II veterans support Obama because:

1. His race. They're still atoning for Jim Crow.

2. They don't believe a president could be as crooked as Obama.

3. They think of "big government" as the G.I. Bill and Social Security, which they like.

Watch The Best Years of Our lives sometime from the context of 2012. Though it's a great drama, it's a strikingly anti-capitalist, anti-banker, pro-statist film that has an amazing number of digs at the U.S.

Al: "Last year it was 'Kill Japs; this year it's 'Make money.'"

Or Homer's family members showing by their actions that they don't think him defending his country was worth losing his hands.

Or the shots of all the useless bombers reading for the scrap yard. We're great at producing killing machines, but why can't we create jobs for people?

Or Al getting drunk and giving a big speech about how his bank should just give everyone money and not try to make a profit.

I've heard tons of WWII veterans express the notion that with the right kind of president we would never have to go through the hell of war again. Their own experiences make them vulnerable to promises of eternal peace and a friendly, helpful government that's totally benign.

Posted by: Llarry at December 07, 2012 04:23 PM (53mfc)

216 Dude, I thought the hammer came down on this type of thing in the 80's (I was there).>>

I remember the loss I felt when Snapon tools went from bikini chicks to cars and the Japanese calenders from Bridgestone sans bikinis that went to product images. Sad sad days.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 04:23 PM (tf9Ne)

217 They have swapped one form of slavery for another.



Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:11 PM (feFL6)

Except
before they had to work. Now all they do is sit around all day or walk
around the streets aggravating people; or killing them.


Actually, welfare is the worst form of slavery because it enslaves the soul as well.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 04:24 PM (T0NGe)

218 @ 200 - I have a Razr and it works great for me. The quality of the camera doesn't bother me because I use it to post stupid shit to FB, so no worries there.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phoneve a Razr and it works great for me. The quality of the camera doesn't both at December 07, 2012 04:24 PM (BtpVq)

219 Hm, except that I can't figure out how the hell to comment from it, evidently.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at December 07, 2012 04:26 PM (BtpVq)

220 Cordell Hull worked with FDR. He might well feel right at home in todays democratic party.

Posted by: Advo at December 07, 2012 04:27 PM (uhryd)

221
A new version of the income-based federal student loan repayment
program that's more favorable to many borrowers will go into effect
starting Dec. 21, according to regulations scheduled for publication
Friday.


The "Pay as You Earn" program will allow eligible student-loan
borrowers to cap monthly payments to 10 percent of discretionary income,
and have their loans forgiven after 20 years. An earlier version of the
program capped payments at 15 percent and offered forgiveness after 25
years. Congress had scheduled the new program to phase in in 2014, but
the Obama administration took regulatory measures to make those options
available sooner. It's estimated 1.6 million borrowers could take
advantage of the program.







If someone finds away to avoid payments for 20 years they can have total loan forgiveness. And once again King Barry goes around that pesky Congress

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 04:28 PM (1Jaio)

222 Count how many "Obama" stickers are on Jap cars this weekend.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2012 04:30 PM (iAUf+)

223 I bow my head in prayer to my brothers and sisters who gave their lives for our freedom this day 71 years ago...and all those who have done so to this day. God bless your brave souls!

Posted by: tuntavernderelict at December 07, 2012 04:32 PM (pfrAP)

224 If I want top quality HD video capability, I won't be looking for it from a phone

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 04:33 PM (8sCoq)

225 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordell_Hull

"Hull devoted a section in his memoirs "Cabin on the Hill" to dispelling an old rumor that his mother was part Cherokee Indian"

Posted by: fluffy at December 07, 2012 04:33 PM (ZHaFV)

226 @203. Australian, hmm. Why do you ask? Did I not say what you wanted to hear? Gunboats. After WWI there was no German Asiatic Squadron.

Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 04:34 PM (qaVK+)

227 Count how many "Obama" stickers are on Jap cars this weekend.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2012 04:30 PM (iAUf+)
---
Jap branded, Jap made, both, or either?
Use of the term Jap is racist, of course.

If you so lousy, dirty Japs, then that is racist.
If you say: Japs look like little evil monkeys, then that is racist.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 07, 2012 04:34 PM (eEfYn)

228 Fer yer Infamy Day netflix queues, so you don't have to watch From Here To Eternity for the thirtieth time. Or worse, Pearl Harbor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnaf9Nneb7A

Posted by: BuddyPC at December 07, 2012 04:34 PM (jfUIE)

229 Actually, welfare is the worst form of slavery because it enslaves the soul as well.

Yeah, that's the thing -- but it doesn't seem to be setting off any alarms. When 'Massa' got to decide how much food you ate, whether your children got educated or not, where you slept, there wasn't much you could do about it.

Now you get to 'vote' on which 'Massa' you want; the one that wants to put people back to work so you can decide your own fate -- and has a history of doing such, or the one who wants to expand the Food Stamp, education, Section 8 housing programs -- and has a history of doing such.

I probably should stop. So I will.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:34 PM (feFL6)

230 FDR, the Internment Camp President.

He took his socialist cues from Hitler and Stalin. They all believed an unlimited central government was the ultimate authority on any issue. Unlimited central government. Just like Obama.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 07, 2012 04:36 PM (iAUf+)

231
Don't forget that Earl Warren, hero of the Left when he was Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, was also heavily involved in the internment camps.

Posted by: junior at December 07, 2012 04:38 PM (UWFpX)

232

Just saw a report that a World War 2 Grumman F4F/FM-2 Wildcat (FM is the designator for GM-license built) was pulled out of Lake Michigan. It crashed during carrier exercises in December of 1944. Probably off of Glenview NAS?

Amazing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 04:38 PM (XkWWK)

233
"It's Time For The GOP To Get Serious About Taxes."


-Steve Forbes


Apparently Steve has decided to try his hand at humor.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 04:39 PM (1Y+hH)

234 Australian, hmm. Why do you ask? Did I not say what
you wanted to hear? Gunboats. After WWI there was no German Asiatic
Squadron.


Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 04:34 PM (qaVK+)
----I thought you were referring to territorial claims which were split primarily between Japan and Australia. So, I thought you might be Australian.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 07, 2012 04:40 PM (eEfYn)

235 I have a Razr and it works great for me. The quality of the camera
doesn't bother me because I use it to post stupid shit to FB, so no
worries there.


I'm on my 3rd Motorola Droid (Original Droid, Droid 3, Razr), and while the Razr is better than my previous two, they tend to be very picky about lighting.

For video, they've all been great.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 04:40 PM (SY2Kh)

236
"At 7:55 am, hell broke loose. Man-made hell. Made in Japan."
December 7th, by John Ford, 1942
archive.org/details/December7th

Posted by: Vertov at December 07, 2012 04:41 PM (qbT+P)

237 “As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.”
Lincoln

But we now have a new generation of 'masters' in the government, creating a new generation of dependent slaves, to ensure that they remain the 'masters'.

This expresses my idea of contemporary democracy.

//Time for a shower, I'm sure we'll fix this tomorrow.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:42 PM (feFL6)

238 They all believed an unlimited central government was the ultimate authority on any issue. Unlimited central government. Just like Obama.

Don't exaggerate.

Posted by: Roscoe Filburn at December 07, 2012 04:48 PM (ZHaFV)

239 Time for a shower, I'm sure we'll fix this tomorrow.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 07, 2012 04:42 PM (feFL6)

But they are not master-masters (or massa-masters), so it is all good!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 04:49 PM (Cnqmv)

240 http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-7th.html

Still applies today. G-d rest you brave warriors who were killed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 07, 2012 04:54 PM (cvHsd)

241 If someone finds away to avoid payments for 20 years they can have total loan forgiveness. And once again King Barry goes around that pesky Congress

My sister is one of those. She ran up over $60k by going to school for seven years, including a year abroad in Europe, then came back and worked at Fred Meyer because there was nothing else she could find with her degree and she doesn't want to do the extra work that would be necessary to make it useful. She's just now found a job that pays above $10/hr, but it's still entry level. She also stayed on my mother and stepfather's insurance until she was 26. Bleh.

Posted by: Alex at December 07, 2012 05:02 PM (3x3F6)

242
My late father (WWII Vet) was one of the few people that spoke negatively about FDR.

Now I understand why he did.

Posted by: seamrog at December 07, 2012 05:17 PM (HoQxe)

243 I'm surprised SCOAMF, Part Deux didn't photo shop himself in this famous picture.

Posted by: mpfs at December 07, 2012 05:35 PM (iYbLN)

244 Looking at the photo, they must have thought it was the end of the world.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 05:55 PM (piMMO)

245 Little known fact: Hitler was quite a reasonable man and had Chamberlain stayed on, he could have negotiated a lasting peace. Churchill obstructed that opportunity and FDR was left to clean up the mess with Japan.

All the real heroes of history come up left of center folks.

The end.

Posted by: Nicholas Kristof at December 07, 2012 06:18 PM (4eNxd)

246
This is another day where I mourn the dead, right there with 9-11-01.

Posted by: Gmac at December 07, 2012 08:38 PM (IanLz)

247 The days of infamy are that FDR knew what was coming because of his act of war against Japan and allowed it to happen killing 3000 Americans. After residing over 9 years of depression he did it to get America into a world warthat killed 600,000 Americans and cost 5 TRILLIONin 2010 dollars. Then they finally had to drag his dead butt out of office, then his successor stole the presidential election.

Posted by: den1313 at December 08, 2012 12:19 AM (yMk61)

248 @43, look back to the civil war..You be seeing the hate.

That's where we are now.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 08, 2012 06:35 AM (f6XIc)






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