Zimmerman Files Suit Against NBC
When any other sort of company screws up, that is part of its one-paragraph description forever. If the media writes about, say, Dow Corning, they'll mention the lawsuits against them over the allegedly unsafe silicone breast implant device. And so on.
For some crazy reason, that never seems to happen with the media, huh? Even their natural competitors, other media outlets, observe the Rules of the Cartel and never mention each other's legal problems in later capsule mentions of each other. This Washington Post piece doesn't note the fact that NBC rigged cars to blow up for a Dateline special. And it discusses the suit in terms of humorous derision.Zimmerman thus didn’t volunteer a racial profile of Martin; he was asked to provide it, a point that the lawsuit makes in colorful fashion: “NBC created this false and defamatory misimpression using the oldest form of yellow journalism: manipulating Zimmerman’s own words, splicing together disparate parts of the recording to create illusions of statements that Zimmerman never actually made.” ... Following a public uproar over the tape-doctoring, NBC News issued a statement on the matter saying this: “During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.” Such contrition didn’t impress the Zimmerman camp. “Only after the defendants’ malicious acts were uncovered and exposed by other media outlets … did defendant NBC ‘apologize’ and terminate some of those in its employ responsible for the yellow journalism identified in this Complaint.” Zimmerman himself never received an apology from the defendants, according to the suit. The suit doesn’t specify a dollar amount of damages that Zimmerman is seeking. “That’s showmanship,” says James Beasley, the Philadelphia-based lawyer representing Zimmerman in the suit.It's so funny to think that citizens can hold media organizations accountable for their malicious slanders. What sillyheads! All this "showmanship" and "colorful" filings! Why this man must be some sort of crazy Tea Partier. And also, a racist.
Comments
Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 10:25 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: NC Ref at December 07, 2012 10:25 AM (dVJLS)
Posted by: dantesed at December 07, 2012 10:26 AM (WUGe0)
Posted by: Astronaut Achmed at December 07, 2012 10:26 AM (YLZSZ)
Posted by: NC Ref at December 07, 2012 10:26 AM (dVJLS)
Whatever it is, he should add a few zeros.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 10:27 AM (/kI1Q)
His nose is clearly broken and purple, blood streaming.
The prosecution only gave the defense a black and white, grainy photocopy that almost completely hides the damages that Trebuchet inflicted on Zimmerman. That's fucking prosecutorial misconduct. Angela Corey should be held criminally liable for this show trial.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (MmK+i)
Posted by: RioBravo at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (eEfYn)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (YdQQY)
Second, burn the media down.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (5DR1j)
So their perceived 'Fourth Estate' status isn't just a self-inflicted delusion of grandier, but also a legal defense?
"Your Honor, I cannot be held responsible for this murder because...c'mon. Do you know who I am?"
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: alexiosososososo at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (uFY4s)
And burn some more!
Posted by: DefendUSA at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (nAHMK)
The response to the released color photo has been for the usual shitheads to start an online petition demanding that Obama to press federal charges against Zimmerman for civil rights violations.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:30 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (Cnqmv)
white, grainy photocopy that almost completely hides the damages that
Trebuchet inflicted on Zimmerman. That's fucking prosecutorial
misconduct. Angela Corey should be held criminally liable for this show
trial.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 10:28 AM (MmK+i)
She's a piece of crap. She's all about her. When she was named as prosecutor, a lot of people around here went "W...T...F???"
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (da5Wo)
Drag the bastards out to Rockefeller Square tie them down with the actual tape they spliced and then make them listen to endless loops of Dennis Miller and Greg Gutfeld.
Throw in a few Uncle Ted mixes for good measure.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (piMMO)
BS. They purposely doctored the tape to smear the guy. I hope he sues them out of existence.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: Mjim at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (274Ir)
$1 Billion would be my starting figure. And it would go up from there.
Then, after the successful outcome of that suit, I'd start going after Al Sharpton, the NBPP, the state prosecutor, and any other carbon-based life form that had anything to do with this miscarriage of justice.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 10:31 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Rather Dan at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (VUmqF)
Posted by: NBC Lawyers at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (1XVru)
Posted by: alexiosososososo at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (da5Wo)
Thank God for Eric 'The Batman' Holder. He would never, ever resort to that sort of cheap tactic and end-run around justice.
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 10:32 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM (MmK+i)
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: alexiosososososo at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM (uFY4s)
....... unless they elect to settle out of court under a gag order.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM (YdQQY)
Probably not, but my (admittedly rather shaky) logic would go like this:
The Washington Post is a nationally known newspaper with an online webs presence. It is not unreasonable to assume that some percentage of the jury pool for this case would read the Washington Post, and therefore be prejudiced against the plaintiff. By taking the tone of an editorial, rather than a "straight" news story, the Washington Post made it a) more likely that people in the jury pool would have read the article and b) given themselves a thin veneer to say "it's just opinion."
Whether or not you could hit them, legally, for such a thing, I think they should be taken to task for doing it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: alexiosososososo at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (RDP+N)
****
Actually, she was lauded for her tough-on-crime stance. She has since revealed herself to be a narcissistic whore to celebrity.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (QupBk)
Next up, the Innocence of Muslims film maker, who had the LA Times and local outlets draw a Cap'n Crunch Treasure Map for jihadis to come to his front door and murder him.
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 10:35 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: Alanr at December 07, 2012 10:35 AM (9N5Tl)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (QupBk)
Didn't they settle with him as well?
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)
I'd have enjoyed seeing Mr. Daisey and his precious liberal road-show get a serious legal slapdown by Apple, especially after his weaselly non-apology.
Posted by: General Zod at December 07, 2012 10:36 AM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (piMMO)
That second part? That's pretty much exactly what the people I know said when she was named. That it would be a show trial. All about her in the limelight.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 10:37 AM (ThczH)
In Canada you could. Their notions of "free speech", particularly in regard to criminal cases are considerably more restrictive than ours.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:37 AM (9mflY)
Call it an attempt to poison the jury pool. Say they were aiming to get Zimmermann convicted by any means...or, failing that, to so incense public opinion that someone would try to kill him.
Someone like, say, the New Black Panther Party that put a bounty on him in violation of various state and federal laws?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 10:38 AM (yiIja)
Ah. So calling out yellow journalism for what it is in the modern USA is known as "colorful" "showmanship," instead of the deadly serious telling of truths.
Bastards, every one of them. The dinosaur media cannot die fast enough for me.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 10:38 AM (4df7R)
"Such contrition didn’t impress the Zimmerman camp. "
Oh of course! He has nothing anyway! They apologized for ruining his life, what more do you want!
Next on NBC, gay teen sex, and sex. On after that, an hour of sex, plus being gay and black in America, as well as sex.
Up this weekend, sex, and more sex. NBC Nightly News with Brain Williams looks at sex in America, and race, and race and sex, in america, as well as, sex and race. And racist sex with transgendered people, what are their concerns.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. Buzz Miller The Shit at December 07, 2012 10:38 AM (ApGOC)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (piMMO)
No prosecutor would ever try to manipulate evidence--that would go against the sacred canon of ethics which we in the legal system hold so dear.
Oh is that a TV camera over there?
Posted by: Mikey Nifong at December 07, 2012 10:38 AM (Cnqmv)
Did NBC ever apologize to the man they slandered? Did they read their own statement on the same shows that contained the slander or was is just some press briefing?
Posted by: Lizzy at December 07, 2012 10:39 AM (kcbsg)
Posted by: alexiososososososo at December 07, 2012 10:39 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Lucy Ramirez at December 07, 2012 10:40 AM (RDP+N)
With the help of the prosecutor, they will construct a jury of fellow parasitical obamites and carry the day.
Posted by: George at December 07, 2012 10:40 AM (qBLA2)
Business as usual is not a screwup.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 07, 2012 10:40 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 10:41 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 07, 2012 10:41 AM (4df7R)
NBC - rigged cars and Zimmerman
CNN -Operation Tailwind and Saddam Hussein lackey
CBS - Tet Offensive and Tainted meat
Sad thing is nothing will happen to any of them.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 10:41 AM (m2CN7)
The same people who will tongue bathe serial killers will not be satisfied until Zimmerman and his entire family are crucified.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (e/Cti)
*****
I remember listening to, I think it was Deborah Norville, saying what a "nobody" Jewel was, and dripping with disgust, how the "nobody tried to make himself somebody".
Even at the time, even with the suspicion of the time that he did it. it was still repulsive.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hounda2 at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (ufLRj)
I am mad as Hell.
Something must be done.
We all must be more serious.
and Fight for the Cause.
Going to Red Lobster now, get to work.
Posted by: higg at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (zLQ9q)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 10:42 AM (m2CN7)
Of course they will. I think the money is a secondary consideration. I think it's much more important to Zimmerman's defense to be able to say, "This has been a libelous smear from day one, here's proof."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (+v9b3)
BING, on the other hand, has a very tasteful and inspiring photo. I use Bing almost exclusively now.
Posted by: sherlock at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (81ia8)
Posted by: Bush TANG documents at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (RDP+N)
We are all serfs in the eyes of the chosen!
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: The Peacock at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (Z1eo/)
How in the freak did I forget about that one.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (m2CN7)
Yeah. I have always thought the Z should preemptively sue the Martins for raising the predator that attacked him.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 10:43 AM (QupBk)
OT, hey Ace, I can't find your tome, er review, on it but what did you think of Red Dawn? I'm thinking of taking my 12 year old Act of Valor fan. Thanks!
Posted by: eureka! LiFBer at December 07, 2012 10:44 AM (HPRku)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 10:44 AM (/kI1Q)
This is something that really irks me. The system needs to maintain at least an appearance of integrity on the surface if the public is to believe in it at all.
This blatant up front manipulation shatters that.
Prosecutor misconduct like this should be considered a major felony with a mandatory 20-life sentence. When the penalty is so harsh, and the risk so high for little gain, people won't do it.
There's a reason why mailmen are robbed very infrequently
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:45 AM (9mflY)
Like when she was hugging Trepons family.
Quality.
Posted by: T. Hunter - LiB at December 07, 2012 10:45 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: The Cables at December 07, 2012 10:45 AM (Z1eo/)
There's been so much media malpractice/malfeasance since then, it feels like a lifetime ago.
I just like to say "Throbbing Memo."
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 10:46 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: I am Fat as Hell at December 07, 2012 10:46 AM (RDP+N)
Ah, Rev. Buzz. My day is complete and it's only 7:45.
They did settle with Richard Jewell after a few court opinions showed that they were going to get reamed. Turned that guy's life inside out and only settled when they saw the train coming down the tracks at them.
Where's all the criticism of us evil plaintiffs' lawyers from the usual crowd here, though? Goes to show that some people (including corporate people) need suing.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 10:46 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 10:46 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Gaius Zimmericus, 42 AD at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: toby928ďż˝ for TB at December 07, 2012 10:34 AM (QupBk)
Didn't they settle with him as well?
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Yes they did, as it was a case of the network making unsubstantiated allegations on the air which turned out to be false, specifically with Brokaw proclaiming Jewell was the bomber.
I'm less sure if misrepresentation of evidence by the media, such as re-cutting the 911 call, has lead to a settlement or judgment like the Jewell one.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (e0xKF)
****
Since the "showmanship" comment was made by Zimmerman's own attorney, I'm guessing he's about to nail the living fuck out of them. He seems to be playfully toying with them and the press. I hope he's a nasty, wretched mf'er!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (piMMO)
These clowns rarely go away.
Posted by: boniface ballers at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (l3RZ9)
No need to go so far. Detroit should do just fine.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 10:47 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: NBC Lawyer's Guild at December 07, 2012 10:48 AM (rzTDZ)
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:45 AM (9mflY)
We have long passed the point where any semblance of prosecutorial misconduct needs to hidden, instead, it is flaunted.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 07, 2012 10:48 AM (Cnqmv)
Zimmerman should be seeking damages where if he wins, Chris Matthews has to be his bitch.
Posted by: Roy at December 07, 2012 10:48 AM (tiOTz)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 07, 2012 10:48 AM (Z1eo/)
Then he takes a nice chunk of that dough and sues the shit out of Sharpton, NBPP, Angela Corey in her person, and anyone else that made defamatory remarks about him. I'm pretty sure that would include the other networks, HuffPo, lots of newsrags, etc.
He could cost them billions in aggregate without winning a single case. The neat thing is, none of the case would be easy for a judge to dismiss as frivolous.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 10:48 AM (ccXZP)
Scott is unimpressive as a FL governor. The only reason he got elected is the Dem challenger was even less impressive. I don't see Scott getting reelected. I think even Crist running as a Democrat would beat him.
Posted by: @PurpAv at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (9mflY)
NBC - rigged cars and Zimmerman
CNN -Operation Tailwind and Saddam Hussein lackey
CBS - Tet Offensive and Tainted meat
Sad thing is nothing will happen to any of them.
---
What network was Connie Chung working for when she did that infamous hit-piece interview with Newt Gingrich's mom? Was that ABC or CBS?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (XkWWK)
The Zimmerman case is yet one more symptom of the problem. Life Worth Living
I used to keep an
index card with a short list of items on it so that every day I remembered what
is important. It read: Wife Work
Weimaraner
It was before we had
kids. It reminded me that my purpose was
to be a good husband, employer, and person in general. It worked for me. I was successful and I felt good about giving
of my time, talent, and resources. I helped family and friends whenever I
could. I had been a good man, attended
church, was involved in my community, and was a good employer. Trying to do for others first was my
priority. As I said it was working very
well. It worked well after kids too. I was living for those around me. I felt good.
Sometime about six
years ago our church, where I was an elder and active session member, went
through an upheaval and the problems were exacerbated by liberals who simply
were takers who wanted control. We ended
up leaving that church, ironically it was Presbyterian and they like to think
of themselves as the frozen chosen – they were supposed to be anchored fairly
well abstaining from upheaval. I knew
that had I stayed, my gifts would only be used to perpetuate the bad status
quo. In good conscious I knew that for
the church to mend, that I had to let it fail.
(I had been the second most contributor for a number of years. The top contributor also left). I and my family began attending a different Presby
church, but I have yet to regain that connectivity and am fearful to join as a
member.
I have been
narrowing my friends and family to only those with like minds. I have become less tolerant of idiots and
liberals BIRM. At work I care less about
my employees. I have become ambivalent about
others’ hardships. I barely get upset
even over a friend’s terminal illness. I
have become unfeeling toward those outside my most immediate family and
friends.
Why?
I know why. But I no longer can afford to expend anymore
of my efforts to try to change it. A
while back I actually calculated what the government takes from me. Adding all the taxes and fees came to over 50%
of my gross earnings. I also calculated
that a quarter of my work effort was spent fulfilling government
regulations. So I determined that over 75%
of my work effort was being taken with little to no benefit to me. I have felt enslaved since. I think of the communist countries that had
and have soul crushing taxes and laws.
This is where we have come. Our
current society and culture are soul crushing.
There simply is no more capacity to care about others when it takes all
your efforts to take care of yourself and yours.
Yes, Life is worth
living. However, given the current
state, it is not worth trying to help others.
The government has placed itself in the roll of nanny, father, big
brother, caregiver, and mother. There is
no longer a need to help your fellow man when that roll is filled by
government.
The worst aspect of
it all is that I have been robbed of my gift of giving. The joy of selflessly helping others can be
no longer until we regain our liberty and independence. I am becoming a hollow shell of what I had
once been.
I have not given
up. I have however resigned myself that
until the current state of things changes for the better I cannot help a single
person outside my immediate sphere. If a
good employee, close friend, or immediate family member needs a hand through no
fault of their own, I will be there for them.
Outside of that, everyone else is on their own. I wish it were different but it is what it
has become.
Until our society
hits bottom, any effort to change it will only be wasted on those that are the takerrs,
the ones that are the crux of the problem.
Our president knows
that in order to fundamentally transform this nation it must be first
destroyed. The forces at play right now
clearly indicate that, as Monty always said, we are doomed. Indeed we are. The takers figured out that they can vote
themselves other peoples efforts. But,
this only works in the near term.
Eventually the bill comes due and must be paid. So, in certain regards, I agree with our
president. The nation must be destroyed
before it can be transformed. Now here
is the good part.
Since the country
will be destroyed and we will indeed hit bottom we will have a new opportunity. It is then that we can say: Look what the liberals
have done; they have destroyed what was once good. No, we will not rebuild another house of
cards supported by debt of future generations; we will not take from those of
means and give it to those of wants. We
shall instead rebuild our country in the image of the greatness it had been, in
the image that had been our founders’ dream.
LIB is our only
course, unfortunate as it may be.
Tinkering around the edges is only prolonging and deepening the eventual
pain.
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (UhXzR)
Posted by: Gaius Zimmericus, 42 AD at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (ThczH)
Where's all the criticism of us evil plaintiffs' lawyers from the usual crowd here, though?
The criticism comes as a result of the frivolous suits.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 10:50 AM (yiIja)
Jewell got relatively very little from the media and he died soon after.
I guess you could call over a million "relatively little"
The dude got $500,000 from NBC, and undisclosed amounts from CNN, the NYPost, and the college.
Lived until 2007, too.
He did alright for a guy who was never going to have much in life to begin with. As for dying, shit, did you see the size of the dude. Walking coronary.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 10:50 AM (UaxA0)
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Ugh, I hate that hidden-camera bullshit.
That's usually on whenever we go to the in-laws' house.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 10:50 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:50 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Sophistahick at December 07, 2012 10:51 AM (UhXzR)
My morale is dipping below 72%.
Where's Mad as Hell to jump start my anger? So I can eat my pancakes like a man?
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 10:51 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 10:51 AM (DBH1h)
I'm making a list and checking it twice. They won't be liking their presents at all.
Posted by: The Collapse Santa at December 07, 2012 10:52 AM (9mflY)
Posted by: T. Hunter - LiB at December 07, 2012 10:53 AM (EZl54)
"Some of those people be armed!"
That right, ladanisustoyalarisha.
We are.
Posted by: George at December 07, 2012 10:53 AM (qBLA2)
Anybody watch Parks & Recreation last nite? Ron's es-wife who is his real wife, cracks me up.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:53 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Pipe Holder at December 07, 2012 10:53 AM (VTeUD)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:54 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:54 AM (LpQbZ)
You can! But ... but, you have to get his permission first!
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (DBH1h)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (RDP+N)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (LpQbZ)
I think the plaintiff has to be alive to sue in tort law.
No, walkers, he doesn't. Not for a;ll torts. He does have to be alive for a defamation suit, though.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (UaxA0)
110
Has Alan Dershowitz gotten involved with any aspect of this case? I heard him on Fox one time reaming the prosecutor.
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (X6akg)
Am I wrong in believing that he's slowly being wooed by the Dark Side?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 10:57 AM (AWmfW)
****
She had a reputation as being very tough on crime, some say too tough, as she has packed the jails to over-capacity. I say GREAT! When questioned about prisoners living in such conditions, she pointed out that our soldiers overseas are living in more harsh conditions.
The local independent rag used to rip her apart for being so tough and actually pulled the old "but crime is down so why does she keep putting people in jail?" bullshit.
By Scott appointing her, had she found the case against Zimmerman to be lacking, NOBODY could have accused her of being soft on crime or racially biased.
I was STUNNED when she pulled that stunt in front of the national press, talking about getting justice for Trayvon. Stunned!
I don't think it's possible that Scott or Bondi could have known she'd go so completely rogue.
I've emailed and tweeted both Bondi and Scott, several times, stating that their attention to this matter is required and that my vote counts on it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:57 AM (piMMO)
Was that Tamara or Tah-mar-a?
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 10:57 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 10:56 AM (da5Wo)
I dunno.....could just be the blind squirrel/stopped clock thing.
Posted by: Tami at December 07, 2012 10:57 AM (X6akg)
I can already see Jake Tapper wavering...
Posted by: Beanerschnitzel at December 07, 2012 10:58 AM (8d63Z)
Posted by: George at December 07, 2012 10:58 AM (qBLA2)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 10:58 AM (V1oS8)
It is. Subtract 40% plus expenses for the lawyer and divide it over 10 years. Maybe he wouldn't have had such poor health if he had not been treated so poorly?
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 10:58 AM (e/Cti)
It all boils down to the judges, now.
Not really. In a state court action (which this almost certainly would be, joining the local affiliate and the NBC HQ) a judge isn't going to give two shits and a holler about NBC and their army of Skadden Arps clones.
In fact, all the NBC legal muscle will probably be counterproductive. A Local judge never likes being intimidated, and there's no reason for a local judge to care if NBC gets whacked for a massive judgment.
I'd also hazard a guess that the judges in that locale are fairly plaintiff friendly.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (UaxA0)
****
He has been very vocal about this case and even challenged Corey, post trial, to a debate about it.
She retaliated by trying to have him fired.
I wish he'd jump in with both feet.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (7vSU0)
Tapper may sound tough asking some questions of Jay Carney, but he's shown that he is still a biased libtard. I don't believe for a second that he doesn't vote to create an impression of objectivity. Look at ace's tweets when he was trying to get Tapper to be more aggressive about Fast and Furious questioning.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (GQ8sn)
http://bit.ly/VrRW5r
So it turns out Psy of Gangnam Style fame once advocated killing and torturing U.S. soldiers.
So even ridiculously idiotic asian pop can't be enjoyed anymore.
Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (sGU4F)
Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: Iblis at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (U0ndG)
Then he takes a nice chunk of that dough and sues the shit out of Sharpton, NBPP, Angela Corey in her person, and anyone else that made defamatory remarks about him. I'm pretty sure that would include the other networks, HuffPo, lots of newsrags, etc.
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I think that the Sharpton stuff is tied into the NBC case because of his employment with MSDNC.
The rest of them, though? Yeah, he could use the money from the settlement to fund litigation against the other entities.
I recommend him suing Spike Lee as part of this since he tried to expose Zimmerman's address to be targeted by thugs and accidentally tweeted the wrong address instead.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (e0xKF)
So how is the media never held accountable by their peers of the public at large when you quote a story that states, specifically, that NBC is in hot water specifically because of the outrage by their peers and the public.
"“Only after the defendants’ malicious acts were uncovered and exposed by other media outlets …""
Seriously.
Do you Freepers not even bother to read this stuff or do you just put your fingers to the keyboard and let the stupid fly?
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (aNlIg)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Butters at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (NIZHJ)
What the granular data shows is that instead of a 146K gain in November, there was actually a drop of 114K jobs when broken down by worker "vintage." But where it gets simply stupid, is that of the 4 age group buckets (16-19, 20-24, 25-54, and 55-69), the biggest gainer continued to be America geriatric work force, which added 177 jobs. As for that key segment of the workforce, the 25-54? Jobs here declined by a whopping 359K in November. And this is good news?
FML. LIB.
Posted by: Hopeless at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (WFZEf)
Don't forget ABC with the cut 'n paste answers in the Palin interview.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (YdQQY)
>>No, walkers, he doesn't. Not for a;ll torts. He does have to be alive for a defamation suit, though.
Actually, it depends and varies from state to state. At common law, a tort action died ("abated") with the death of the plaintiff. However, many states enacted "survival" statutes which provided that a cause of action possessed by the deceased at the time of his death survived the death, and could be maintained by a personal representative of the decedent's estate.
The practical problem is that once the plaintiff dies, the amount of damages a jury is likely to award plummets, making the settlement value of the case minimal.
Posted by: angler at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (SwjAj)
Posted by: Cricket at December 07, 2012 11:02 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:02 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: zsasz at December 07, 2012 11:02 AM (RDP+N)
Posted by: Fritz at December 07, 2012 11:02 AM (/ZZCn)
The support we give Zimmerman, even though he is hispanic and a democrat, is soley based on our prejudice against blacks. So let it be written, so let it bedone says the lefty Pharoahs.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2012 11:02 AM (m2CN7)
Hey guys, is there any sex and dick jokes on tv tonight?
How about sex? Is there any sex, as well as gay sex, on tv tonight? I am really in the mood for base shitty humor about fat people having sex, and som tit jokes.
If there were more sex on tv, I'd be happy, because I like my humor entirely about sex, be it gay sex. Well, just gay sex. I think jokes about how uptight people are about unprotected anal sex are GREAT!
You know, if we could go back and replace all the great SNLs with Bill Murray being funny with black transgendered people making gay sex jokes, about how fat white people are uptight about it, it would be a good thing.
Posted by: Rev. Dr. Buzz Miller The Shit at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (ApGOC)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (Ec6wH)
I was STUNNED when she pulled that stunt in front of the national press, talking about getting justice for Trayvon. Stunned!
Has it occured to you that maybe those people complaining she was too tough might have had a point? How many others besides Zimmerman has she railroaded into jail in furtherance of her own career, with no regard to guilt or innocence?
Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (TULs6)
. Subtract 40% plus expenses for the lawyer and divide it over 10 years.
Maybe he wouldn't have had such poor health if he had not been treated
so poorly?
Oh, stop. Why would you divide it over years except to cover a poorly thought-out statement. Admit it; you just hadn't looked. He probably ended up with at least a mil in his pocket. That's plenty.
And the dude was the size of a house when he was a broke security guard. After becoming a high roller, you think he started eating healthy?
Sure the stress probably hurt him, but really, he made out OK, and his death wasn't more than tangentially related to the public crucifixion he endured.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (UaxA0)
Posted by: mare at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (Ec6wH)
****
Jake Tapper: Celebrity Journalist
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 10:54 AM (LpQbZ)
You can sue POTUS. That is how Clinton got the perjury charge in the impeachment.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 11:04 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 07, 2012 11:04 AM (Z1eo/)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 07, 2012 11:05 AM (79ueO)
Posted by: and irresolute at December 07, 2012 10:55 AM (DBH1h)
Not in a personal suit. You have to get permission of the gov to sue the gov, but that can be gotten around as well.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 11:05 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 11:05 AM (QupBk)
Who says NBC, Inc. (GE, whatever) gets to keep their broadcast license in perpetuity? Let someone else have a chance at broadcasting on that spectrum...in terms of "fairness"! lol
Btw, my strategy is still to start small and take over local/regional media before trying to buy out GE.
Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 07, 2012 11:05 AM (X/+QT)
http://folioweekly.com/folio0306wkl014.php
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:06 AM (piMMO)
I can't imagine NBC letting a lawyer with the deep pockets of Jim Beasley getting into discovery on this case.
There will either be a quick multi-million dollar settlement or the shit is going to hit the fan big time.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 11:06 AM (ZDsRL)
Normally I'd just let this go, but I can't with this one.
Tell me, which "other media outlets," exactly, "uncovered and exposed" NBC's slander?
Hmm? Which ones?
See, it was mostly blogs and a few right-ish leaning newspapers that hit it first. As I recall, CBS and ABC, along with the major national papers, never even mentioned the situation until after NBC had been forced to retract.
And, no, they're not held to account. Blogs, while growing in popularity and reach, aren't able to challenge the Big Media outlets, yet. If they'd really been held accountable by their peers, they'd already be out of business, because everyone would remember them as the network that deliberately defamed a private citizen.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:06 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:06 AM (e/Cti)
Carney, but he's shown that he is still a biased libtard. I don't
believe for a second that he doesn't vote to create an impression of
objectivity. Look at ace's tweets when he was trying to get Tapper to be
more aggressive about Fast and Furious questioning.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 10:59 AM (GQ8sn)
I wouldn't trust Tapper as far as I could kick his fat ass.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 07, 2012 11:06 AM (UyQvx)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (e0xKF)
I forgot about that...
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:07 AM (LpQbZ)
***
I have no problem with any good lawyer, doing good, making as much as he can.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:07 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Mama AJ at December 07, 2012 11:07 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:08 AM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at December 07, 2012 11:08 AM (nwAbt)
***
Oh yes!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joey Biden at December 07, 2012 11:08 AM (Z1eo/)
****
I am encourage by Z's attorney saying that this isn't likely to be settled.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:09 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:03 AM (piMMO)
He reminds me of Peggy Noonan.
Plays both sides of the fence, purposely. It's all a $game. Throw out a little red meat, then reverse, throw out a little red meat, then reverse...
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:10 AM (LpQbZ)
News reader Natalie Morales heaped praise on Judd: "She's a
brilliant woman....Harvard, I think....she's a U.N. goodwill ambassador,
speaks out on HIV/AIDS prevention. And also, you know, she's done so
much good for public – public good and she's a great, very smart woman."
NBC's insanity defense.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 11:10 AM (rzTDZ)
expose Zimmerman's address to be targeted by thugs and accidentally
tweeted the wrong address instead.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:00 AM (e0xKF)
I think it was actually someone else, a private citizen nobody, that found the incorrect address and first tweeted it. Spike Lee saw it and re-tweeted the address. Not sure what happened to the nobody, but Spike Lee's twitter feed was the more visible one that reached many people. He already settled with the poor people living at that address. He should settle with Zimmerman too.
Posted by: EC at December 07, 2012 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (QupBk)
NBC aired that tape after the controversy had really begun. Remember that the shooting had occurred around a month previously, and NBC wasn't the first to run with the story.
So what if they ran with the "public figure" defense against defamation.
And then what if it worked?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (7vSU0)
I attended NYU Film School the same time he was there and he had a vocal and vicious hatred of everyone white and Jewish.
Spike Lee would fit right in on Al Jazeera or Al Arabiiya. Except they hate blacks only marginally less than Jews.
He is a piece of shit.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (XkWWK)
You tell me. I'm quoting the material that this blog post uses to make it's contradictory argument.
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (aNlIg)
Actually, it depends and varies from state to state. At common law, a
tort action died ("abated") with the death of the plaintiff. However,
many states enacted "survival" statutes which provided that a cause of
action possessed by the deceased at the time of his death survived the
death, and could be maintained by a personal representative of the
decedent's estate.
You're right about common law, but I'm pretty certain all states have a survival statute for filed cases. That doesn't really vary, and yeah, you usually just substitute the estate PR for the person in the caption. If you're filing after the death of the plaintiff, that does vary a lot state to state.
So thinking about it, I'm probably incorrect about the case being dismissed b/c of death, since the defamation suit would still be part of the estate. You can't defame an already dead person, but a defamation claim likely doesn't abate on the death of the victim.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (UaxA0)
I am encourage by Z's attorney saying that this isn't likely to be settled.
Discovery would be a thing to behold. Timelines, quotes, the whole shebang.
This should be a slam dunk. Z could buy Greece...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:12 AM (yiIja)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:09 AM (piMMO)
Pro: Extend this as long as possible for maximum visibility of how low NBC is.
Con: Extending it means distraction from what TFG is doing behind the scenes in destroying America.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:12 AM (LpQbZ)
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Yes. But not prior to this case.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:13 AM (piMMO)
I had listened to the original tapes and could not figure out where people were getting all this shit about Zimmerman's 911 call. Than to make matters worse, Corey yanked the website with the tapes and police reports. She and her henchman, Bernie, have done everything they can to influence the jury pool and deprive Zimmerman of a fair trial.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:13 AM (e/Cti)
As interpreted though that bowl of cheese dip you call a brain. So really, you got nothing, but had to get your two cents in.
Shocker that.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 11:13 AM (QupBk)
I just did, you sub-sentient. The fact you chose either not to read, or not to comprehend (or, I suppose, to comment on a subject the comprehension of which is beyond your sub-sea-sponge mentality) is on you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:13 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:11 AM (XkWWK)
Seriously, who of Obama's friends and worshipers aren't?
Including Jon Stewart.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: MoeRon at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (yWDpP)
Meh,
I slept in this morning (against my better judgement) and missed most of yesterday at the HQ (I have too many departments at work, and so am away from my computer for WAAAY to long).
And now EoJ is mentioning something about Pap smears. Someone want to catch me up on WTF is going on here?
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:12 AM (yiIja)
We forgot who the men and women in black are these days. Leftist appointees in many cases, who have no regard for the Constitution and are there to promote "social justice."
We shall see. At least it isn't the 9th Circus.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (XkWWK)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (ThczH)
Posted by: Homer Simpson at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (LpQbZ)
Allen,
So what if they ran with the "public figure" defense against defamation.
And then what if it worked?
"Actual malice" just means you know it's false. Bob Guccione sued Larry Flynt for saying he lived with his mistress before he was divorced. Guccione didn't, he only moved in with her after the divorce. So even though Guccione was a public figure, and had in fact lived with his mistress, the information about the timing was known to be false and published anyway.
Verdict: Guccione.
link to opinion in sig
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (UaxA0)
Ace has sleep apnea and is getting a CPAP. Hopefully before all the DME surcharges kick in.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:15 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: PR at December 07, 2012 11:16 AM (KHo8t)
Including Jon Stewart.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:14 AM (LpQbZ)
You're right. I guess we have to judge solidity, stench and nuggets of corn per cubic inch...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:16 AM (XkWWK)
The men were angry, NBC lost.
Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hounda2 at December 07, 2012 11:16 AM (ufLRj)
UPDATE: Cat parasite uses 'Trojan horse' to infect human brain, cause suicidal thoughts...
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 11:16 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (V1oS8)
That's standard trip and fall practice. I just had jury duty in Brooklyn, and the plaintiff's attorney pulled that stunt with a little old grandma on the witness stand. "You see THAT? She cannot even identify the scene of the accident. Maybe her memory is not so good." We rolled our eyes and the judge yanked him back in her chambers.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (i0vBR)
o/t
headline at drudge
State laying groundwork for managed bankruptcy for Detroit
heh.
---
Will the better assets of the city be sold to Winsor, Ontario?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (e0xKF)
Posted by: Glen at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (K1CbB)
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (piMMO)
Reading this just as my buddy is sitting in my lap...
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:18 AM (XkWWK)
I am encourage by Z's attorney saying that this isn't likely to be settled.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
That just means there aren't enough zeros on the table. Yet.
Posted by: imp at December 07, 2012 11:19 AM (UaxA0)
You'll confuse his poor, retarded paramecium-like brain.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:19 AM (5DR1j)
Hey, I'm in the city. What part of Brooklyn are you in?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 07, 2012 11:19 AM (XkWWK)
I don't know. Ask his husband.
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 11:19 AM (7vSU0)
Even their natural competitors, other media outlets, observe the Rules
of the Cartel and never mention each other's legal problems in later
capsule mentions of each other.
They can't. People might start to ask uncomfortable questions, such as "if the people at one network are lying to me, are the others as well?".
Posted by: pep at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (USJNU)
***
Ace has mentioned being depressed, perhaps he is just exhausted.
I hope it works for him.
I'm taking the sleep study next week but feel certain apnea isn't the problem.
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (piMMO)
How much does this coblogging gig pay?
Posted by: I am mad as hell at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (Ri5Un)
Posted by: Bob Costas as accidentally edited by NBC at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (xNsGR)
I don't know. IANAL, but how useful would it be, in the criminal defense, to be able to show a "clear and orchestrated defamation campaign" by NBC (with verdict and all), and then say that the Prosecution was taken in by it (with footage of the "Justice for Trayvon" press conference)?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (5DR1j)
They won't be laughing when he wins a judgment.
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM
Judges are there to prevent it from going to juries. They know where the big money is, and who knows things that judges do when they thought no one was looking
Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:21 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Paul Simon at December 07, 2012 11:21 AM (qwK3S)
They all say that. By the time they're giving you a sleep study, they're pretty sure it's sleep apnea. In my experience, anyway (I know a lot of people with sleep apnea).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:22 AM (5DR1j)
They won't be laughing when he wins a judgment.
People notoriously hate the media. They relish a chance to get back at them for anything.
Hitler could win a judgment against NBC if it went to a jury.
The only question is how many zeros the settlement will be.
Posted by: marcus at December 07, 2012 10:33 AM
My bet is that the judge will decide to throw out the case before he even looks at it.
Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2012 11:22 AM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Godfrey Jones at December 07, 2012 11:22 AM (bbTyq)
Posted by: NCKate at December 07, 2012 11:17 AM (V1oS
This lawsuit is a travesty. It is nothing more than a
vindictive, hateful attempt to bring down the great media institution
that brought us the historic first of allowing ordinary Americans to see
the inside of a superstar's colon.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (xNsGR)
See, it coulda been worse.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 11:23 AM (rzTDZ)
*****
How many times did you have to take a giggle break while typing that?
Posted by: Carol Burnett at December 07, 2012 11:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: mrp at December 07, 2012 11:23 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:23 AM (piMMO)
big money is, and who knows things that judges do when they thought no
one was looking
Don't both sides (in a civil trial) have to agree to forgo the jury trial?
My bet is that the judge will decide to throw out the case before he even looks at it.
I highly doubt it. As previously mentioned, some Local/State Judge is not going to give a rip about NBC.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:24 AM (5DR1j)
take our minds off this suit for a while.
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 11:24 AM (ThczH)
I hope Trayvon's record comes out in the process.
The Potus weighed in on this. He said Trayvon could have looked like someone who could have been his son.
Well I guess a chooom smoking, lying burglar don't fall from the tree!
At least Trayvon had a decent non photo shopped birth certificate.
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 07, 2012 11:24 AM (j9ONP)
****
I've told my doctor, I just do not like to sleep. It's that simple. And, I am what my therapist calls "hyper-vigilant" so even when I do sleep, it is with one eye open.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:25 AM (piMMO)
I love this, hehe.
WH Petition Demands Obama Cancel Hawaii Vacation
by KEITH KOFFLER on DECEMBER 7, 2012, 8:49 AM
A new petition gaining ground on the White House website calls on President Obama to cancel his estimated $4 million vacation and devote the money instead to helping victims of Hurricane Sandy.
The petition, which was created just two days ago, had 872 signatures as of 8:45 am ET this morning and is potentially be on its way to garnering the 25,000 signatures in 30 days required to elicit a response from the White House.
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/12/07/wh-petition-demands-obama-cancel-hawaii-vacation/
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:26 AM (LpQbZ)
How? Summary judgment? Not a chance. The fact that NCB edited the tape (land later admitted it) creates a triable issue of fact that will have to go to a jury.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 07, 2012 11:26 AM (xNsGR)
Thans NDH and AllenG,
One day off and this place goes crazy.
Meh, maybe I need to join the Sleep Study club. Lord knows I gots me some exhaustion (hence the 11 hour sleep fest last night.)
Docs already checked my Thyroid levels (they thought it was that, given the not quite obese, but not exactly "good weight" size.)
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 11:26 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: palooka at December 07, 2012 11:01 AM (aNlIg)
The article is quoting from the complaint; thus, the 'malicious' adjective was provided by Zimmerman's legal team, not from other media outlets. Since mainstream media outlets protect their own, the Washpo article did try to diminish the suit by referring to it as, among other things, 'colorful'. Secondly, we're not Freepers. That's another site, Free Republic--one from which I was permabanned for trolling and excoriating a pack of inbred neo-confederate assholes. Of course, Jim Rob over there had every right to ban me. His site, hisperogative.
But enough about me. Let's talk about you, sport. Do you bother to read and just put fingers to keyboard before you let the stupid fly?
Posted by: troyriser at December 07, 2012 11:27 AM (vtiE6)
First you call me stupid, then you call me an idiot. Stop quoting me to make your contradictory argument!
Posted by: palooka! at December 07, 2012 11:27 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)
He got half a million dollars, chump change these days.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 11:29 AM (i0vBR)
I did no such thing. To have called you either stupid or an idiot would be a grave insult to stupid people and idiots around the world. As it is, I'm pretty sure the sea sponge and paramecium communities are discussing whether they can sue me for libel.
(yes, I know it's a sock- it was fun)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:30 AM (5DR1j)
--- That would be like picking up a turd by the clean end
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 07, 2012 11:30 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
What is he? Your official crotch warmer?
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:31 AM (e/Cti)
The ONE TIME I fail to observe the rule about not reading the comments at the HQ while taking a drink...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:31 AM (5DR1j)
I don't know. IANAL, but how useful would it be, in the criminal defense, to be able to show a "clear and orchestrated defamation campaign" by NBC (with verdict and all), and then say that the Prosecution was taken in by it (with footage of the "Justice for Trayvon" press conference)?
I don't think that would be hard to do in this case. Just the picture of a young Tyvek shown alongside the far more recent pic of the "white Hispanic" would be enough to start with. I'd call in several psychologists to prove that in itself was a calculated move on the media's part to subtly manipulate public opinion.
In this day and age, that was the only pic of Tyrone Shoelaces they could find?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:31 AM (yiIja)
Hahahaha!
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:31 AM (e/Cti)
__
Not to worry, Beasley is known as a take no prisoners trial lawyer who is accustomed to getting results for his clients.
Mickey Smercootie used to work for him before he became a radio yakker/turncoat conservative. I wonder how much play his former firm's high profile lawsuit will get on his radio show, now that he has to appease Massachusetts libtards.
Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2012 11:32 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: Joe Biden, Racially Tolerant MENSA Member and 2016 Presidential Candidate at December 07, 2012 11:33 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at December 07, 2012 11:30 AM (R8hU
first time I heard this
hehe
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:33 AM (LpQbZ)
In that parallel universe where he has sex with women. Heh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 07, 2012 11:34 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:35 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at December 07, 2012 11:35 AM (j9ONP)
If Zimmerman's lawyers have the original transcript and the tape that NBC played it is open and shut. NBC will lose their ass.
THEY.WILL.SETTLE. The only question is how many zeros as someoe said above.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 11:35 AM (YdQQY)
Bailout on the Brink
Judge Set to Rule on Case that Could Reverse Auto Bailout
Judge sounds pissed.
A New York federal judge may rule imminently on a case that could reverse the General Motors (GM) bailout and send the company back into bankruptcy, according to sources close to the case.
At issue is a backroom deal hatched by GM to fulfill the Obama administration’s demand for a quick bankruptcy, draining the automaker of nearly all of its cash on hand and leaving it in worse shape than it was when it collapsed in 2009.
although:
Those liabilities, which include old GM’s debt and product liabilities that pre-date bankruptcy, are valued at $30 billion, a sum that would wipe out the company’s $34.6 billion cash reserves.
Negotiators representing both sides of the case met in New York on Thursday to try to settle the suit through mediation rather than a court order.
“They’re feeling pretty good about it,” said an industry insider who spoke to one of the hedge fund negotiators on Thursday.
Sorry, I'm still in the LiB kinda mood.
http://freebeacon.com/bailout-on-the-brink/
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:36 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:37 AM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 07, 2012 11:37 AM (AWmfW)
I believe the edited recording was also reduced to a transcript and posted on their website. They really went out of their way to fuck GZ.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:39 AM (e/Cti)
The Potus weighed in on this. He said Trayvon could have looked like someone who could have been his son.
What yu talkin' 'bout, Willis?!
Posted by: Malia and Sasha at December 07, 2012 11:40 AM (+v9b3)
Beasley should auction off slots on the discovery team.
Can you imagine having the power to get every note, email and any other communication made by anyone at NBC you can remotely associate with this? How about having the ability to put them under oath and question them?
Jesus, my dick gets stiff just thinking about it.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 11:41 AM (ZDsRL)
posted on their website. They really went out of their way to fuck GZ.
I'm going to disagree with others. I don't think this is a question of number of zeroes. I bet it's a question of "no fault" or whatever they call it. I bet NBC wants to claim they never admitted to charges (so they can say, "those charges were never proven" or "those charges were dropped"). With any luck, that will be the breaking point for Zimmerman, too: "Nope, you have to admit what you did. I want the equivalent of a "guilty" plea."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:41 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: I am mad as hell at December 07, 2012 11:20 AM (Ri5Un)
I do not believe there is monetary recompense, but free blowjobs! I hear you can give them whenever you want.
Posted by: Golan Globus at December 07, 2012 11:43 AM (7vSU0)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 11:43 AM (80Qb8)
Is "umpteen bazillion" a number? I think that's what that chickensh*t outfit owes Zimmerman. Bankrupt that propagandizing hellhole of sleaze and anything that touched it.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:44 AM (eHIJJ)
She had the study done again almost 15 years later, and golly gee guess what? Severe sleep apnea. Recommending surgery level apnea. But she chose the CPAP route and a bed with the ability to elevate her upper body.
A simple study you can do yourself is to audio/video tape yourself sleeping.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 11:44 AM (ccXZP)
Beasley should auction off slots on the discovery team.
Can you imagine having the power to get every note, email and any other communication made by anyone at NBC you can remotely associate with this? How about having the ability to put them under oath and question them?
Jesus, my dick gets stiff just thinking about it.
So does mine. This is one of those times when I almost wish I was a lawyer.
Almost.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:45 AM (yiIja)
****
Nuke it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:45 AM (piMMO)
Popcorn! Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of commie swine.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 11:45 AM (i0vBR)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (eHIJJ)
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Alex has a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (eHIJJ)
A simple study you can do yourself is to audio/video tape yourself sleeping.
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
To the Detriment of all mankind, yes, you do,
Posted by: Alex makes a lot of socks at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (uFY4s)
Or, um, nuke it. That has been suggested.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:47 AM (eHIJJ)
Oooh, can i choose where we nuke
Posted by: Alex wants to nuke somebody at December 07, 2012 11:48 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (/YJYi)
Posted by: New York Liberal at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (uFY4s)
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Maybe this will keep that woody going: Beasley heads one of those Philadelphia law firms whose Letterhead causes defendants to stroke out when they are served.
Posted by: kallisto at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (jm/9g)
I asked this yesterday but was ignore, but who is watching Ace sleep at night???
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (e/Cti)
You know you liked watching me take a load on my boobehs.
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (/YJYi)
Ooh, yes i did
Posted by: Helen Thomas, naked and being groped by you at December 07, 2012 11:50 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: eman at December 07, 2012 11:50 AM (ThczH)
>>>Yet I could sit there and watch her stop breathing many times on any given night. Posted by: GnuBreed
I asked this yesterday but was ignore, but who is watching Ace sleep at night???
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (e/Cti)
I DO!!!
Posted by: Helen Thomas is naked at December 07, 2012 11:50 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Doctored Post at December 07, 2012 11:51 AM (BVkEs)
And imagine he other acts the attorney can present in order to bring their credibility into question.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:51 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: New Jersey Liberal at December 07, 2012 11:51 AM (uFY4s)
If Zimmerman can get enough out of NBC that they can no longer afford to
subsidize that loser MSNBC, it will be for the public good.
And imagine he other acts the attorney can present in order to bring their credibility into question.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:51 AM (piMMO)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 11:52 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 11:43 AM (80Qb
I actually think this is the beginning of a Libertarian revolution/wave.
Demint is Libertarian. Lots of Rand Paul, lately.
Don't laugh, too many of us are disenfranchising ourselves from the GOP.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:52 AM (LpQbZ)
Kneesaa a Jari Kintaka.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (/kI1Q)
we shoulda ran Jim Demint in 2012
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 11:43 AM (80Qb
I actually think this is the beginning of a Libertarian revolution/wave.
Demint is Libertarian. Lots of Rand Paul, lately.
Don't laugh, too many of us are disenfranchising ourselves from the GOP.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:52 AM (LpQbZ)
He is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul is libertarian.Jim DeMint is a conservative tenther
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (uFY4s)
This is war. They are the enemy. It's time we chipped away at them for a change, and use their own weapons against them.
Posted by: weew at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (o2sGG)
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Spit or swallow? That's all I really want to know. It's for this article that I'm writing for Penthouse.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (uFY4s)
Please do. Any and all studios, satellites, antenna, hubs, and personnel emblazoned with NBC are fair game. And if you happen to light up ABC, CBS, CNN, WaPo, NYT, LAT, PBS, well them's the breaks. Go nuts.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (8sCoq)
I guess he wants us to forget that he doesn't even use unions labor if he doesn't have to. Unfortunately for him, I remembered. Post up at my place.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:55 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 11:55 AM (GFM2b)
Anyone know how Florida courts handle electronic discovery or discovery in general? NY's standard is "material and necessary" and, yeah, the courts view that expansively. The feds are similar. Don't have a clue how Florida state courts handle it, but i suspect it is similar.
Posted by: Penfold at December 07, 2012 11:55 AM (Fbt5B)
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 11:55 AM (ZDsRL)
Banhammer, please. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 07, 2012 11:55 AM (ccXZP)
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (6BgmB)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (rzTDZ)
As an independent who's often accused of Libertarian tendencies, I have to admit that in this post-SCoaMF clusterfuck of a world we currently inhabit, a conservative tenther is pretty much 100% A-OK in my book.
It ain't Boehner. It ain't RINO. It is what it is.
Posted by: SCoaMF at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (hNXHo)
Posted by: Soledad Obrien at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (ypzqs)
Posted by: clemenza at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (Q8Pu5)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:56 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (YdQQY)
That's what I get for having more than one browser window opened to AoSHQ again.
Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (hNXHo)
****
If you were a song you'd be Strange Fruit
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (piMMO)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Why not both? Bankrupt them, bring down NBC and MSNBC (which means no more Tingles or that Rachel Maddow fellow, then maybe we can have some honest reporting for once), to pave the way for a class action suit.
This could be the opportunity we've been waiting for (rubs bony fingers together gleefully). Think Big!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (yiIja)
OT- Michael Moore is bloviating about how he's going to ignore Michigan's shiny new Right To Work law on twitter.
I
guess he wants us to forget that he doesn't even use unions labor if he
doesn't have to. Unfortunately for him, I remembered. Post up at my
place.
Didn't he try to prevent his workers from forming a union
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (uFY4s)
When did this become a thread about pubic hair?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: soothsayer at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (xIRXC)
Posted by: Fresh at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (O7ksG)
Neither appreciated nor appropriate.
Cleanup indeed.
And please don't quote this kind of stuff. Just link back to the nic and timestamp.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (5DR1j)
Posted by: stressed ette at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (nqBYe)
I don't think one lawsuit can milk them that much, we need a class action lawsuit.
Why
not both? Bankrupt them, bring down NBC and MSNBC (which means no more
Tingles or that Rachel Maddow fellow, then maybe we can have some honest
reporting for once), to pave the way for a class action suit.
This could be the opportunity we've been waiting for (rubs bony fingers together gleefully). Think Big!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 11:57 AM (yiIja)
Thinking big is causing the class action lawsuit yourself
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:59 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:54 AM (uFY4s)
***
No shit!
LOL!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 11:59 AM (piMMO)
Umpteen bazillion is a slightly smaller number than "brazillian".
When did this become a thread about pubic hair?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)
The second it was created by the head moron
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 11:59 AM (uFY4s)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (5DR1j)
a conservative tenther is pretty much 100% A-OK in my book.
How about a dedicated one?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (5DR1j)
Even better!
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (uFY4s)
He is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul is libertarian.Jim DeMint is a conservative tenther
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (uFY4s)
Will Jim DeMint Bring a Libertarian Flavor to Heritage Foundation?
Nick Gillespie|Dec. 6, 2012 7:18 pm
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/06/will-jim-demint-bring-a-libertarian-flav
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: stressed ette at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: A. Sharpton at December 07, 2012 12:01 PM (jvd3N)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:01 PM (piMMO)
Those particular folks are the true elite in my happy State's Rights Jeffersonian universe. Shit, if people like that actually blogged, I'm sure I'd visit them often.
Posted by: Rob McNeece at December 07, 2012 12:01 PM (hNXHo)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 12:01 PM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:01 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at December 07, 2012 12:02 PM (L4CWX)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 11:52 AM (LpQbZ)
He is NOT libertarian. Ron Paul is libertarian.Jim DeMint is a conservative tenther
Posted by: Alex of the public school system at December 07, 2012 11:53 AM (uFY4s)
Will Jim DeMint Bring a Libertarian Flavor to Heritage Foundation?
Nick Gillespie|Dec. 6, 2012 7:18 pm
http://reason.com/blog/2012/12/06/will-jim-demint-bring-a-libertarian-flav
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (LpQbZ)
Reason is full of freaks
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:02 PM (uFY4s)
I do that all the time!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 11:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Spit or swallow? That's all I really want to know. It's for this article that I'm writing for Penthouse.
Posted by: GnuBreed Snowball sweetie! It's skankeriffic!
Posted by: Paris Hilton at December 07, 2012 12:03 PM (bbTyq)
I think DeMint is more libertarian than you think.
He is also one of Levin's favorites, who is also Libertarian.
Don't be fooled by a registration.
Again, I think the Libertarians are gaining ground due to the GOP's massive failures.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (LpQbZ)
Last Sunday on the morning open thread, Old Sailors Poet and a couple
others here engaged Ina conversation involving the phrase "pink mist
above padded suit shoulders". Comment 75. Can anyone here explain that
phrase to me? And who it was referring to?
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 12:03 PM (odv0F)
The Zapruder film of JFK's death
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (uFY4s)
Paging St. Pancake. St. Pancake, please pick up the slim courtesy phone....
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: MattMarket at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (jjXkD)
I think DeMint is more libertarian than you think.
He is also one of Levin's favorites, who is also Libertarian.
Don't be fooled by a registration.
Again, I think the Libertarians are gaining ground due to the GOP's massive failures.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (LpQbZ)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (uFY4s)
I edit commercials for a living - there was a conscious and deliberate action to edit the audio - it wasn't inadvertent or accidental.
This! If anyone has ever used any recording software, this'll be self-evident.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (yiIja)
Posted by: Burney McBurnstein fanning the flames of painful freedom at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (+wxCD)
Posted by: Average Joe at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (oYXGc)
She's crazy. You *know* what that means in the sack.
Posted by: Rick Scott at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (B/VB5)
Reason is full of freaks
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:02 PM (uFY4s)
Meh.
Nice generalization.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (wSc+u)
Not any more than Republican is someone who wants to engage in wars at the least provocation, kill gramma, and kick out anyone with skin that isn't pasty white.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (5DR1j)
I know Costas does. That's why he wants to ban knives and football.
Posted by: comatus at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (qaVK+)
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (uFY4s)
I'm not a lover of the GOPe, but Boehner is doing OK so far. If course we are still in the 'wait and position' stage. The 'cliff' is overstated as far as any immediate impact. A deal can be made much later in 2013 without doing any real damage, though the stock market may gyrate over that.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Harry S. Plinkett at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper, unbiased journalist at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (cv5Iw)
Perhaps he was openly discussing a fantasy of President Obama being assassinated. That would make more sense to me.
Posted by: Jizzbomb at December 07, 2012 12:06 PM (odv0F)
One banhammer coming right up
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (2t6Gz)
****
All the parties have been perverted.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:08 PM (piMMO)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (uFY4s)
Just like Republicans are for lower taxes...
Small government...
oh wait
I'm sorry, not all Libertarians, just like not all Indies are the same.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:09 PM (LpQbZ)
It is best not to copy the full text of banhamerable posts. It just makes the cleanup that much harder and might get you tossed with the trash.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 07, 2012 12:10 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 12:10 PM (da5Wo)
Little "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders. That government is best which governs least. (Thomas Paine)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:10 PM (YdQQY)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Hello. We are made of straw. Please do not smoke around us.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:08 PM (piMMO)
In fairness, I think extreme libertarians do trend more towards isolationism than most other groups (except perhaps deranged socialism.)
But it's a natural consequence of wanting a government *that small.* I mean really small, so small that national defense becomes more akin to "turtling in" than the proactive defense we had in the past.
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:04 PM (LpQbZ)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:05 PM (uFY4s)
Just like Republicans are for lower taxes...
Small government...
oh wait
I'm sorry, not all Libertarians, just like not all Indies are the same.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:09 PM (LpQbZ)
BIG L LIBERTARIAN PARTY MEMBERS, not people who call themselves that as a result of the perversion of the language here when the better term would be liberal. The Party, not the ideology.
Posted by: Alex of the Lincoln Public School System at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (2t6Gz)
Little "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders. That government is best which governs least. (Thomas Paine)
Your first paragraph is not inconsistent with your second.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:12 PM (TULs6)
Libertarian is someone who wants absolute isolation of the US and the trial of all soldiers for war crimes
Hello. We are made of straw. Please do not smoke around us.
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Unless its pot man, then smoke all the time. Pot is a miracle drug given from god to be used by humanity man
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 12:12 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Vermin at December 07, 2012 12:12 PM (wSc+u)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:12 PM (piMMO)
I kid you not.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 12:12 PM (T0NGe)
See Stephen Harper of Canada, and how he was able, over time (yes, it took time) to debunk, merge, purge two right leaning parties into one pretty successful new party.
End result, he won the election, and he's doing a great job (in a very liberal, right hating country). The country is doing better than most, although the libs won't let him get away with it for long.
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:13 PM (LpQbZ)
I usually don't come out into the light of day,
Yet this whole twisted and manipulated yellow journo lynching of Zimmerman has always made me think of........."Test-beds."
Part of a very real and calculated attempt to pick various stories and inject a a very specific Ideological substrate into said story to the point where the Ideological substrate now becomes the "Bedrock" from which all opinion can now be manipulated to support the specific Ideological......ya get where I'm going with this right?
I give you exibit...."A"......or "Tre"........
Posted by: Richard at December 07, 2012 12:13 PM (PJcW2)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 12:13 PM (i0vBR)
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (GFM2b)
But it's a natural consequence of wanting a government *that small.* I mean really small, so small that national defense becomes more akin to "turtling in" than the proactive defense we had in the past.
****
Ron Paul = Bad
Rand Paul = Good
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:08 PM (piMMO)
In
fairness, I think extreme libertarians do trend more towards
isolationism than most other groups (except perhaps deranged socialism.)
But
it's a natural consequence of wanting a government *that small.* I mean
really small, so small that national defense becomes more akin to
"turtling in" than the proactive defense we had in the past.
Posted by: tsrblke at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (GaqMa)
I don't want a government that is small, i want one that is effective. Most of the expansion of the federal government during the civil war was Needed and proper, and a small government isn't always the best. We should be advocating for an effective and effecient government.
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (uFY4s)
So we'll never have to suffer from anyone linking to a Jen Rubin column again? Fantastic, I support their decision.
Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:15 PM (piMMO)
No. They'll just link it anyway, and we won't be able to read it because of the pay-wall.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:15 PM (5DR1j)
Here's your sign.
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 07, 2012 12:16 PM (rzTDZ)
"Wtf was that mess @ 285?"
Just one of the sick fucks that Ace attracts. Personally, I only come to read AllenG's comments. Wish he would get his own blog.
Posted by: jwest at December 07, 2012 12:16 PM (ZDsRL)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 07, 2012 12:16 PM (/kI1Q)
56 million Repubs voted for Romney
You gotta figure about 55.9 million of those despise the MSM.
If only one fourth (14 million) stop watching NBC, we take them down. Their shows' ratings lose - let's say 25%.
We have power over the MSM. We number in the 10s of millions. Surely we can organize to that extent?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 07, 2012 12:16 PM (cVYiZ)
Posted by : Tattoo De Plane
Shaddup! That's the name of Ace's new gal pal.
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 12:16 PM (e/Cti)
Libertarians also belive in open borders. 3.4 of the party platform. Unless they are a clear and present danger.
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (GFM2b)
We should have no quota's but should have an immigration limit of around 3 1% of US population per year
Posted by: Fellow Big L Libertarian at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (LpQbZ)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Shipping Sheldon/Penny right to the end. at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:15 PM (piMMO)
Yay! Even the mods are awake!
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (i0vBR)
Nurse who was pranked by radio station commits suicide.
http://bit.ly/Vsgf2Z
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (5DR1j)
Posted by: Ian S. at December 07, 2012 12:14 PM (B/VB5)
Remember it is 'conservative columnist' Jen Rubin.
Posted by: RWC at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Libertarians at December 07, 2012 12:11 PM (TULs6)
Of course it is not INconsistence. No government means anarchy. Thomas Pain and the founders did not believe in anarchy.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (YdQQY)
ttle "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders.
George Washington's diary, August 7, 1765: "began to seperatethe Male from
the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."
Pretty sure coccaine was legal in 1765 too. Possibly prostitution.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
****
I know at least one other person tweeted Ace and company to tell them about it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (piMMO)
might want to kill 346, as well. for the quote
Posted by: beach at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (LpQbZ)
Why should I be banned?
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (uFY4s)
See Stephen Harper of Canada, and how he was able, over time (yes, it took time) to debunk, merge, purge two right leaning parties into one pretty successful new party.
End result, he won the election, and he's doing a great job (in a very liberal, right hating country). The country is doing better than most, although the libs won't let him get away with it for long.
We'll see about that.
Posted by: The brain beneath the bad haircut at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (bbTyq)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (2t6Gz)
That was one fragile gal!
Nurse who was pranked by radio station commits suicide.
http://bit.ly/Vsgf2Z
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:17 PM (piMMO)
She was Italian?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (1Jaio)
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Just brutal.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:20 PM (piMMO)
ttle "l" libertarians want the government envisioned by the founders.
George Washington's diary, August 7, 1765: "began to seperatethe Male from
the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."
Pretty sure coccaine was legal in 1765 too. Possibly prostitution.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850'sProstitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:20 PM (uFY4s)
Of course it is not INconsistence. No government means anarchy. Thomas Pain and the founders did not believe in anarchy.
Dude, anarchy is not real, any more than 'perfection' is. A direction, not a destination? It's an abstract ideal.
There is no such thing as anarchy (as envisioned by anarchists as a style of non-government, as opposed to just an adjective for chaos and disorder) in practice. It's a rhetorical distinction between anarchists and minarchists. Anarchists are just people who may as well refer to themselves as perfectionists.
In practical terms they want the same thing.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:20 PM (TULs6)
Not banned, but they can delete just that comment (I recommend editing to remove the quote instead) just to remove the quote.
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:21 PM (5DR1j)
Nurse who was pranked by radio station commits suicide.
http://bit.ly/Vsgf2Z
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse
Mentally healthy people do not commit suicide. They are trying to blame it on the DJs even though she was not disciplined for it and no one was angry with her. I have to wonder why they have nurses on switchboard duty but that's the NHS, I guess. Or, is this a private hospital since they are filthy rich?
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 12:21 PM (e/Cti)
The issue is that there is no real category, save libertarian, for many folks like me.
I'm for rolling back to the origional Consitution and bill of rights(except for slavery).
I'm for a much smaller Government, with almost no INTERNAL US Fed Power.... but am Pro Military (although we are deployed in way too many places currently IMO).
I think its a shame that Fed Taxes are greater than my State Taxes, as its the State that does most of the things that support me as a Citizen (except for Defense)...
So I sure dont fit the GOP (too Statist)....
But... the Libertarian 'brand' has been tainted by BOTH parties and the media... they don't talk to non whacko libertarians... just the extreme ones... and then harp on the 'nutty' position, not the postion that a lot of Americans would agree with.... in an effort to maintian the Power Stranglehold the Status Quo provides for the Two party System....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:21 PM (lZBBB)
Libertarians fundamentaly stand for self government. Should all drugs be
legal? Yes. That includes prescription drugs that you currently have to
bribe a doctor with a c-note just to get. Should we have gone into
Iraq? Yes, they broke the ceasfire agreement. We went in 11 years too
late. Should we have stayed to rebuild? No. I'm a libertarian and my
idea is to just nuke Mecca (for starters) in response to any attack from
that religion.
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (2t6Gz)
Mecca is controlled by Saudi Arabia, and for all there faults, they aren't a bastion of Terrorists like Yemen or Palestine
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:22 PM (uFY4s)
Why should I be banned?
Not banned, but they can delete just that comment (I recommend editing to remove the quote instead) just to remove the quote.
As
a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or
cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way
the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion
once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:21 PM (5DR1j)
k, thanks for the advice
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:22 PM (uFY4s)
One would hope but even a doubling of their voters at the national level gets them to, what, 2%?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:23 PM (QupBk)
Again, I think the Libertarians are gaining ground due to the GOP's massive failures.
One would hope but even a doubling of their voters at the national level gets them to, what, 2%?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:23 PM (QupBk)
4%, they are at 2%. And, due to the history of the Libertarian party i would rather have a different party take hold. Remember, even the Socialists have gotten at least 4% in an election
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:24 PM (uFY4s)
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I don't know about the hospital, but agree about the mentaly unstable part.
The DJs carry no blame unless impersonating a royal is a crime.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (uFY4s)
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
This isexcellent advice. It's a pain in the ass to go through and edit the comments thatcontain quoted material that, for obvious reasons, I want off the blog. It is much easier to simply delete those comments too. So if you don't want your stuff deleted, don't quote comments that are obvious banhammer potential.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (IkTb7)
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
I don't believe they had cocaine in the colonies in 1776. As for the hemp that was for rope, which, among other things, were called "naval stores" then. They were a huge money crop for the colonies.
But you were right about one thing, there were VERY few laws on the books then. But they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the public.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (YdQQY)
Like the ones the Libertarian party nominates for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 12:26 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:22 PM (uFY4s)
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You're kidding right? Who is funding the terror camps everywhere? The wahabis, or howerver you spell the Saudis special brand of evil.
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (2t6Gz)
Mentally healthy people do not commit suicide. They are trying to blame
it on the DJs even though she was not disciplined for it and no one was
angry with her. I have to wonder why they have nurses on switchboard
duty but that's the NHS, I guess. Or, is this a private hospital since
they are filthy rich?
****
I don't know about the hospital, but agree about the mentaly unstable part.
The DJs carry no blame unless impersonating a royal is a crime.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (piMMO)
This is why I think that Homosexuality is linked with other mental disorders, due to the high suicide rate, even in cities like San Fran. Also the high alchoholism rate, the binge drinking, the drug use, the prostitution, and the high domestic abuse rate (higher than in muslim countries)
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (uFY4s)
406
they don't talk to non whacko libertarians... just the extreme ones...
Like the ones the Libertarian party nominates for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 12:26 PM (T0NGe)
Luap Nor!!!!11!! He's the bestest! No one else can save the country!!!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (da5Wo)
Mecca is controlled by Saudi Arabia, and for all there faults, they aren't a bastion of Terrorists like Yemen or Palestine
Posted by: Alex, apprentice tenther at December 07, 2012 12:22 PM (uFY4s)
---
You're kidding right? Who is funding the terror camps everywhere?
The wahabis, or howerver you spell the Saudis special brand of evil.
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (2t6Gz)
I doubt it is in the interests of the Royalty, who have enough trouble controlling there country with Western Help as it is.
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (uFY4s)
****
And I might add, NOT solely by comment number, for the reasons which have been cited here repeatedly.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (piMMO)
Pretty sure coccaine was legal in 1765 too. Possibly prostitution.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:18 PM (TULs6)
I
don't believe they had cocaine in the colonies in 1776. As for the hemp
that was for rope, which, among other things, were called "naval stores"
then. They were a huge money crop for the colonies.
But you were
right about one thing, there were VERY few laws on the books then. But
they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the
public.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:25 PM (YdQQY)
Due to the fact that they had morals at the time. Lack of laws did not imply lack of morals
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:28 PM (uFY4s)
>>>We ended up leaving that church, ironically it was Presbyterian
>>>Posted by: Sophistahick at December 07, 2012 10:49 AM (UhXz
Welcome to the club. Lots of people left their local Presby church in the past 15 years. I don't understand why some of the libs didn't just become Unitarians or something, rather than insisting on watering down the Presby until it stood for nothing but "hippy Jesus, hatred for the conservative members, and polo shirts"
Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (Ep4mv)
As a rule, it is best not to quote comments that need a good banning or cleanup. It's better to refer to them by hash and timestamp. That way the mods know who you're talking about, but you don't cause confusion once the offending comment is deleted.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart
Typical.
Lots of big talk from someone who doesn't even run a blog.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (bbTyq)
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 07, 2012 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)
That was Krauthammer's column today in a nutshell:
"What should Republicans do? Stop giving stuff away. If Obama remains intransigent, let him be the one to take us over the cliff. And then let the new House, which is sworn in weeks before the president, immediately introduce and pass a full across-the-board restoration of the George W. Bush tax cuts."
I would like to see them use this opportunity to talk about who the 1% is and how the Democrats protect them. Educate the public on how much Obama's coalition steals from the middle class and quit pretending you're even seriously entertaining what has been put on the table so far. Go on Hardball and mud wrestle with Matthews. Anything to wake the public up.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (i0vBR)
Yup.... I think the real libertarian (small L) defense policy is Pro Strong Military... but with a different standard for use....
First... Congress would have to declare war... then using your mobile military, you hit their economic infrastructure, and destroy their military, until they surrender.... then after a VERY short tranisition period... you go home.
If they get Froggy again? and attack you? Rinse... repeat...
But part of the Libertarian position is the idea that people MUST take responsibility for their Government... thus when you wage war, its against the WHOLE country, citizens included.... not just the 'modern' US thing where we can somehow bomb the government , but 'like' the people?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (QupBk)
****
Beat your kids? Drink your family into the poor house?
Send out the neighbors to teach 'em a lesson.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (piMMO)
Leading contender for "Allen has a blog?" comment of the day.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (5DR1j)
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Saudi Arabia isn't a country, its a guys yard. Nothing happens there without the consent of its owner.
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (2t6Gz)
Posted by: Whatev at December 07, 2012 12:19 PM (2t6Gz)
Yup.... I think the real libertarian (small L) defense policy is Pro
Strong Military... but with a different standard for use....
First... Congress would have to declare war... then using your
mobile military, you hit their economic infrastructure, and destroy
their military, until they surrender.... then after a VERY short
tranisition period... you go home.
If they get Froggy again? and attack you? Rinse... repeat...
But part of the Libertarian position is the idea that people MUST
take responsibility for their Government... thus when you wage war, its
against the WHOLE country, citizens included.... not just the 'modern'
US thing where we can somehow bomb the government , but 'like' the
people?
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (lZBBB)
Thomas Jefferson was president when the first unofficial war was fought against the Barbary States
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)
I think we need a new thread
It's always feast or famine at the HQ.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:29 PM (QupBk)
Thats absolutely true
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (piMMO)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850's
Whichever drugs were around, they were legal. That's the point.
Prostitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
OK... that's historically illiterate and stupid. You think they just said no and didn't do it? LOFL.
No really. LOFL.
Check out this wicked secularity: tinyurl.com/aca98mm
Those pervs were sainted.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (TULs6)
Lots of big talk from someone who doesn't even run a blog.
Leading contender for "Allen has a blog?" comment of the day.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (5DR1j)
I like your blot Allen. You have a Very nice Bog
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (uFY4s)
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (YdQQY)
George Washington invented cocaine. He also ate opponents' brains. I saw a YouTube video about it, by Brad Neely.
Posted by: wooga at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (Ep4mv)
What they had was a absence of the Social Safety Net. Addicts and drunkards died. People noticed that.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:32 PM (QupBk)
Cocaine wasn't around then idiot, it was a synthetic invented in Germany in the 1850's
Whichever drugs were around, they were legal. That's the point.
Prostitution needed no laws because people cared about morality, unlike todays amoral Atheists
OK... that's historically illiterate and stupid. You think they just said no and didn't do it? LOFL.
No really. LOFL.
Check out this wicked secularity: tinyurl.com/aca98mm
Those pervs were sainted.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:31 PM (TULs6)
I never said they were saints, i never said it didn't exist. I said it needed no laws because it was shunned far more than it is today.Listen to the post you attack before attacking it.
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:33 PM (uFY4s)
Its not going to be the current Libertarian party which gains ground.... it will have to be somthing like Perot's Reform Party.... which did get 15% or so?
Republican brand is tainted by their history, and whats going on in Congress now.... Libertarian brand is tainted by Press and Both partys (just as they have tainted the TEA party into ineffectivness, note, no TEA party rallys in the news the last year or so?)....
But there are a LOT of disaffected folks out there.....
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:34 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: buzzion at December 07, 2012 12:35 PM (GULKT)
under Sullivan. NBC had to take active steps to alter the tape before
airing it. That goes well beyond disregard and into actual malice.
The question is damages.
The link has another link that discusses it. Might be difficult for Zimmerman to claim he suffered greatly as a sole result of the NBC malfeasance after he had already been demonized on every other MSM outlet.
Those weeping over St. Treyvon had characterized Zimmerman as a racist psychopathic murderer well before the NBC broadcast was ever aired.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 07, 2012 12:35 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 07, 2012 12:35 PM (T0NGe)
there were VERY few laws on the books then. But they also had a lot of "unwritten" laws that were enforced by the public.
Yes. Community enforcement of cultural norms reduced the need (real or perceived - I think the former) for a lot of government regulation. That is one reason why I am increasingly convinced that the modern libertarian dream of freedom from both other peoples' morality and from government control is unrealistic.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 12:35 PM (eA3m/)
Sorry. I read that as open borders. Any and all welcome. No questions asked. Questions asked = "unreasonably constrained".
Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 07, 2012 12:36 PM (GFM2b)
One would hope but even a doubling of their voters at the national level gets them to, what, 2%?
There are a lot of libertarians that don't vote, because they aren't crazy.
There is a cascade effect like there is with most things. If you could somehow show a libertarian candidate was actually viable, he'd get more than 2%.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:36 PM (TULs6)
I guess I am a Conservatarian.
That should be the new party
CONSERVATARIANISM
We make your taxes low so you can buy pot!
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 12:36 PM (RrD4h)
Hey! I think this an auto post. Ace could be lying dead in his bed. Or, dead in someone else's bed. (Hopefully a woman's.)
Posted by: Walkers! at December 07, 2012 12:37 PM (e/Cti)
Posted by: Alex, at December 07, 2012 12:30 PM (uFY4s)
Fairly limited Military Operation to rescue Hostages.... no problem with that in my view.... but when you are overthrowing Governments of UN Member States, and 10 year long occupations without any Declaration? Thats not even pretending to follow the Constitution...
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 07, 2012 12:38 PM (lZBBB)
I never said they were saints, i never said it didn't exist. I said it needed no laws because it was shunned far more than it is today.Listen to the post you attack before attacking it.
Read the link. Augustine and Thomas both WERE sainted, and both advocated for legal prostitution as the lesser evil.
All that shunning back before the law had the same effect itthe law hastoday - it still happened, it just happened in the shadows, or 2 miles outside town limits.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:39 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 07, 2012 12:39 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 07, 2012 12:40 PM (eA3m/)
George Washington invented cocaine. He also ate opponents' brains. I saw a YouTube video about it, by Brad Neely.
He also snuck across a river in the dark of night and murdered British soldiers in their sleep on Christmas Eve.
Santa? Santa is that yo- OWWW!
Merry Christmas.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:41 PM (TULs6)
Washington, Washington
Six foot eight
Weighs a fucking ton
Opponents beware
Opponents beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Let me lay it on the line
He had two on the vine
I mean two sets of testicles
So divine
On a horse made of crystal
He patrolled the land
With the mason ring and schnauzer
And his perfect hands
Here comes George
In control
Women dug his snuff
And his gallant stroll
Ate opponents' brains
And invented cocaine
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Washington, Washington
Six foot twenty
Fucking killing for fun
Spread, spread
The Delaware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Sue me if I go too fast
But the sons of his opponents
Wished that he was their dad
Got a wig for his wig
Got a brain for his heart
He'll kick you apart
He'll kick you apart
Ooh!
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
He'll save children
But not the British children
(drum sounds)
He had a pocket full of horses
Fucked the shit out of bears
Threw a knife into heaven
And could kill with a stare
He made love like an eagle
Falling out of the sky
Killed his sensei in a duel
And he never said why
Washington, Washington
Twelve stories high
Made of radiation
The present beware,
The future beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming
Did I mention his four nuts?
Well he also had four dicks
If you took off his boot
You'd see the dicks growing off his feet
I heard that motherfucker had like thirty god damn dicks
He once held an opponent's wife's hand
In a jar of acid at a party
Posted by: General Woundwort at December 07, 2012 12:43 PM (RrD4h)
Posted by: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth at December 07, 2012 12:48 PM (Hsgnv)
Besides, the weather is shit and I don't have a new movie for inside.
Posted by: Vic at December 07, 2012 12:50 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 12:56 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 07, 2012 01:06 PM (piMMO)
Yes. Community enforcement of cultural norms reduced the need (real or perceived - I think the former) for a lot of government regulation. That is one reason why I am increasingly convinced that the modern libertarian dream of freedom from both other peoples' morality and from government control is unrealistic.
They're the same thing. You're just saying freedom is unrealistic. Economic redistribution is a moral thing, based on the morality of egalitarianism. It's a different and larger group at the federal level, but the same thing.
If you think freedom is unrealistic, I guess you're entitled to your views.
There's 1 major distinction between an amish village and the government - the amish village isn't imperialistic and expansionist. They let Vegas be Vegas over in Vegas, so long as it leaves them alone back.
If you're arguing against drugs and prostitution in your local city hall meeting, guess what, I won't oppose you, because I won't even be there. If I was there, and I didn't like it, I have the option of leaving the town and getting freaky down the street.
Arguing against drugs and prostitution at the federal level is something very different. You're basically just being a shadow government of statists then. If you want to be free you need to leave the village down the way the hell alone, regardless of what moral perversion they foster. Otherwise don't bitch when the Washington D.C. community comes along and 'enforces it's cultural norms' on you from 6000 miles away.
Posted by: Entropy at December 07, 2012 01:23 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: Markon at December 07, 2012 01:31 PM (sLafu)
Posted by: Eddie Willers at December 07, 2012 02:21 PM (bRdb3)
a) politicians
and
b) the press
Every one else is subject to the law.
Posted by: FrankReality at December 07, 2012 10:55 PM (Bn9It)
Posted by: torabora at December 08, 2012 12:43 PM (cAONf)
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Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)