When Will Republicans Finally Tell The Media They're Not Getting More Subsidies?

Every few years, Disney's earliest copyrights come close to expiring, and the GOP agrees to extend copyright protection -- although we are now at a ridiculous length of time.

Enough. The GOP should be taxing the shit out of the media, not doing it further favors.

Brito's incisive book tells tale after tale of government kowtowing to copyright holders. An egregious example is Mickey Mouse. "Each time the copyright ... was about to expire, and the happy rodent was about to become a shared cultural icon like Santa Claus, Hamlet, and Uncle Sam, Congress has extended the copyright term," Brito explains.

This is not at all what the founders had in mind when they authorized Congress "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. ... "

Retroactively extending the copyright on a work produced long ago cannot promote useful arts and sciences. It just enriches the copyright holder and denies access to everyone else -- which is exactly the point, if you're an industry lobbyist.

Once again, big business is aligned with big government and against open competition. So far, the party of free markets is on the wrong side.

Posted by: Ace at 07:15 PM



Comments

1 Yup, current copyright is best known as the Mouse Laws. Disney will do absolutely anything to keep the Mouse out of public domain.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Our only hope. Literally. at December 06, 2012 07:18 PM (Gk3SS)

2 Whoa, quite the ad beneath this post, Ace. A woman who looks like she's defecating on a scale, and a balloon man.

Posted by: pep at December 06, 2012 07:18 PM (6TB1Z)

3 Shit, Ace, there goes your retirement!

Posted by: WaitingForMartel at December 06, 2012 07:19 PM (G73Lf)

4 But I can't turn Disney down, I always cry when Bambi's mother dies !!!

Posted by: Weepy Boehner at December 06, 2012 07:19 PM (wwsoB)

5 Do you know how many Sunday morning gigs that would cost me if I follow your advice !!!

Posted by: Grumpy McCain at December 06, 2012 07:21 PM (wwsoB)

6 Plus, how many companies have cartoon icons who are the subject of specialized porn sites. Or so I've heard. *cough*

Posted by: pep at December 06, 2012 07:21 PM (6TB1Z)

7
Pretty much, yes, but won't happen. You see, if I don't promote the Mouse, I can't get free tickets for my friends family.... er, constituents. Yeah, that's what I meant.
Plus, you meanies in the GOP were against Big Bird. Now you're against Mickey Mouse, too?
(that'd be the spin...)

Posted by: Jess1 at December 06, 2012 07:21 PM (LwGY+)

8 Huh? Somebody saying something about me?

Posted by: Sleepy Bush at December 06, 2012 07:22 PM (wwsoB)

9 Steamboat's willy is still screwing after nearly a century.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows pragmatism has pwned your asses at December 06, 2012 07:22 PM (Lxw+T)

10
We'll accomplish nothing until we break up the Enemedia.
100 of us not watching CNN isn't going to do it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 06, 2012 07:23 PM (85EaA)

11
If only some smartypants would figure out how to BitTorrent the rides at Disney World.......

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 06, 2012 07:23 PM (TIIx5)

12 So, no "Steampunk Willy" this century?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 06, 2012 07:24 PM (ZlKTz)

13 Mickey Mouse is getting a gay marriage to Scrooge McDuck.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows pragmatism has pwned your asses at December 06, 2012 07:24 PM (Lxw+T)

14 And what does a media broadcast license cost? $25 or something stupid. How about auctioning off those things like they did cell phone spectrum in 1995 and a few other times since. They raised billions in spectrum sales. Why, I think doing anything other than that is tantamount to corporate welfare.

Posted by: i am mad as hell at December 06, 2012 07:24 PM (N1Rjx)

15 Whatchu talkin' 'bout? That ain't the Mickey I know.

Posted by: Gary Coleman at December 06, 2012 07:25 PM (I88Jc)

16 btw: Anti-gun politician IL State Sen. Donne Trotter in court after trying to bring handgun on aircraft, prosecutors say

Posted by: panzernashorn at December 06, 2012 07:25 PM (BAnPT)

17 Ha-Hah!

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2012 07:27 PM (lqQmB)

18 They probably get a Disney discount that they don't want to lose.

Posted by: Walkers! at December 06, 2012 07:28 PM (e/Cti)

19 OT Zimmerman suing NBC for defamation

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 06, 2012 07:30 PM (nTgAI)

20
I don't care.

Posted by: chitown jerry at December 06, 2012 07:30 PM (UTq/I)

21 They fired the guy that wrote the copyright paper for the republicans

Posted by: Tmitsss at December 06, 2012 07:30 PM (407Ss)

22 This is not at all what the founders had in mind when they authorized
Congress "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by
securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right
to their respective Writings and Discoveries. ... "

Right. Because what the founders (sic) had in mind was a solitary author or inventor, not a media corporation that never dies.

Problem is, as long as a theoretically immortal corporation instead of a mortal human can own (or even "create") content, then the *Framer's* individual-focused logic of a copyright expiring within a human creator's lifetime does not logically apply to a corporation. Unlike a human being who has no need to make money off their creation after they're dead, a corporation's "intellectual property" is the reason the corporation exists in the first place.

Opposition to the Disney laws needs a sharper argument than this, Ace.


Posted by: Contrarian at December 06, 2012 07:32 PM (Ys6PL)

23 I got nothing on this topic

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 07:33 PM (8sCoq)

24 The perversion of the copyright laws is just another example of how the Congress can be bribed into doing almost anything by a big enough campaign contributor and almost always never does anything that would benefit the citizens.


If we had honest discussions about real preferential loopholes, copyright duration would be first on the list.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)

25 When Will Republicans Finally Tell The Media They're Not Getting More Subsidies?

We ain't seen any ice down here yet

Posted by: Hell at December 06, 2012 07:33 PM (wwsoB)

26 Unbelievable corruption. And what I can't believe after these past few years is how much worse this type of thing must have been before there were Internet outlets where people could find out about it. Not that it has made any difference regarding Leftist corruption, mind you.

LiB. Let Mickey strike the first match if you want.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 07:34 PM (zpqa2)

27 When Will Republicans Finally Tell The Media They're Not Getting More Subsidies?
----
We ain't seen any ice down here yet

Posted by: Hell


No pigs on the radar screen lately.

Posted by: FAA at December 06, 2012 07:34 PM (Lxw+T)

28 Uncle Walt would not recognize the present staff and officers of Disney, which are comprised of 100% America hating commies.

Posted by: navybrat at December 06, 2012 07:34 PM (Ty7ja)

29 Seems like it's much ado about nothing. Let the copyrights expire, I say.

Posted by: William Shakespeare at December 06, 2012 07:34 PM (BAS5M)

30 Disney has done the GOP no favors so I have no idea why in the name of f**king hell the GOP would do this which translates to Disney and all the hollywood types giving more money to the democrats.

Its this kind of stupid crap that makes me, after this last vote, not want to vote republican.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO WIN.

Posted by: kay at December 06, 2012 07:35 PM (7Fmw0)

31 It's touching to know the true conservatives of the Internet (cough) are now the pro-tax, anti-business party. Terrific. BTW, just because Disney owns ABC and ESPN doesn't make it "the media." Last I checked Disney was an entertainment and leisure company conglomerate's holding companywith various subsidiaries.Have I already lost you? Valuable copyrights are part of what keeps lots of people, you know, employed with Disney. Speaking of which,one of the tragedies of the Internet is its demographics. The combination of lack of education, lack of real world experience and lack of maturity quite literally boggle the mind.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 06, 2012 07:35 PM (pmsMR)

32 Just hope Disney never manages to buy out Sanrio.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 07:36 PM (cvHsd)

33 It's like the sugar subsidy. It's something we should cut; it's obviously corruption; it's bipartisan; but no one seems to get worked up about it.

Posted by: JohnJ at December 06, 2012 07:36 PM (Tt6ky)

34 Posted by: Contrarian at December 06, 2012 07:32 PM (Ys6PL)


Maybe the unintended consequence of Citizens United is that corporations are "immortal people"?

Admittedly, the argument may need refinement, but immortal grants of any thing to any entity would have been rejected by the founders as smacking of monarchist entitlement.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:37 PM (Cnqmv)

35 Ah fuck. Back to being serious.

I was laughing out loud at some of the stuff on the previous thread.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2012 07:38 PM (GsoHv)

36 Are we going to haz a football thread? The game is going to suck, but some elbows would be a welcome change.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 06, 2012 07:38 PM (wR+pz)

37
What part of ***Crony Capitalism*** do you not understand?


Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 06, 2012 07:38 PM (IH2b5)

38 The idea of Disney keeping ownership of Mickey Mouse forever doesn't bother me at all. I'm at a loss as to how the world will be improved by a lot of knockoff Mickey Mouse cartoons and such rather than original efforts.

There are, of course, conditions. One huge reason historians got pissed at Disney and other IP owners was that the material wasn't kept in circulation and in some cases was lost forever because the sole copies were destroyed or allowed to rot to save expense. There is no reason for that to happen anymore. Digital storage and transmission is far more efficient than producing and moving around reels of celluloid.

So my approach to allowing ownership in perpetuity would have requirements of availability for purchase at rates within an agreed range of variance. A studio might set a high price on the old catalog items it doesn't want to give up but not orders of magnitude greater than comparable items in the US market.

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (kcfmt)

39 Fuck that mouse, time to pay up, or we'll foreclose on the Magic Kingdom. Serves him right for voting Dem.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (i0vBR)

40 It's touching to know the true conservatives of the Internet (cough) are now the pro-tax, anti-business party.

No.

These assholes vote for high taxes for everybody else and then expect special favors from the government. Who gets squeezed? Small businessmen and entrepreneurs.

What they want is a system where the hated Middle Class languish and cannot threaten them. Too big to fail is too big to compete against.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (uhAkr)

41 Well, since they just fired a staffer on the Republican Study Committee for proposing just that....

http://tinyurl.com/b5nfq3a

I suspect that even the so called conservatives aren't going to **** with the mouse.

Posted by: jnials at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (A3EAh)

42 you mean being called out as the party that killed big bird, and cookie monster?

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (nqBYe)

43 yeah i'm game.

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 07:40 PM (nqBYe)

44 Both legislative houses in Michigan have now passed Right to Work legislation.

Posted by: The Political Hat (@ThePoliticalHat) at December 06, 2012 07:40 PM (XvHmy)

45 Princess Bride playing on AMC now

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at December 06, 2012 07:41 PM (wwsoB)

46 "Mickey Mouse is getting a gay marriage to Scrooge McDuck."

i lol'd

Posted by: JDP at December 06, 2012 07:41 PM (60GaT)

47 http://dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2010/m12/ox281254232804969572.jpg

Cheerleader and Christmas spirit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 07:41 PM (cvHsd)

48 THEY DON'T KNOW HOW WANT TO WIN.

Posted by: kay at December 06, 2012 07:35 PM (7Fmw0)



Winning means you have the responsibility to govern, and I remain unconvinced that the republican ruling class actually wants that responsibility.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:41 PM (Cnqmv)

49 Both legislative houses in Michigan have now passed Right to Work legislation

That will do more to unscrew Michigan than any bailout ever could.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 07:42 PM (RqkrF)

50 The Exorcist on Retroplex at 8PM.

Posted by: steevy at December 06, 2012 07:42 PM (9XBK2)

51 Don't tax. Abolish (or limit) intellectual property laws, which are an inherently statist concept.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 06, 2012 07:42 PM (aLLUm)

52
37
What part of ***Crony Capitalism*** do you not understand?

Nah...it's not capitalism's fault.

It's straight up crony corruption.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 07:42 PM (CM59X)

53 Both legislative houses in Michigan have now passed Right to Work legislation.

ah! the irony if the renaissance of the Rust Belt - and maybe even Pennsylvania - comes from the rusty side and not the Smart Set side!

It is almost . . . heartening.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (J6kXj)

54 twas a conservative hunter out in the night
a creature was stirring and it wasn't a mouse
the children were all warm and un knowing asleep in their beds
when the conservative hunter reaped a new dead
a poor little deer's baby cried into the night
and the hunter laughed joyfully in delight.

thee end of killing bambi media , progressive style.

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (nqBYe)

55
Disney sucks.

That is all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (yiIja)

56 "52
37
What part of ***Crony Capitalism*** do you not understand?

Nah...it's not capitalism's fault.

It's straight up crony corruption.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 07:42 PM (CM59X) "

Crony Socialism/Statism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (aLLUm)

57 Posted by: Contrarian at December 06, 2012 07:32 PM (Ys6PL)

But the idea that a man made entity.... a legal construct... ie a Corporation has RIGHTS???

does that not dilute the very meaning of a God Given, or Natural, RIGHT?

Now, the OWNERS of a Corporation have rights, and should thus be able to speak through their corpoation... and have property rights... and even second Amendment Rights... but that is the Owners of said corporation excercing Their Individual Rights...

So, in that light... should the inheritors (new company owners) derive the benefit from the Copyrighted ideas of someone from long ago? Because if there is no time limit, then everything... every Idea... eventualy will be owned by some corporation...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (lZBBB)

58 Uncle Walt would not recognize the present staff and officers of Disney, which are comprised of 100% America hating commies.


I'd blow this commie shithole in a heartbeat if my feet weren't bolted to the floor.

Posted by: Mr. Lincoln, Disneyland at December 06, 2012 07:44 PM (QKKT0)

59
Getting ready for the Broncos game.


Who we playing? Oh sheet, the filthy Raiders!!! This could be a bloodfest. It's the Raiders' Super Bowl.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 07:44 PM (1Y+hH)

60 Western civilization is collapsing before our very eyes and you are wasting time on this mickey mouse bullshit?

Posted by: Mad as Hell and not gonna do Red Lobster takeout anymore! at December 06, 2012 07:44 PM (NL15p)

61 So my approach to allowing ownership in perpetuity would have requirements of availability for purchase at rates within an agreed range of variance. A studio might set a high price on the old catalog items it doesn't want to give up but not orders of magnitude greater than comparable items in the US market.
Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (kcfmt)


Oh, God. So lets use the power of government to force companies to continue to make products, and set the price of said products.

This is why we lose elections. No credibility when we say we want small government.

Posted by: Timin203 at December 06, 2012 07:45 PM (azmhu)

62 55

Disney sucks.

That is all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM

If Rum was still around, she'd have a hit put out on you for saying that.

She might still lurk here, so be careful starting your car

Posted by: kbdabear at December 06, 2012 07:45 PM (wwsoB)

63 Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (lZBBB)


Sort of like genetic researchers being able to patent your genes?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:45 PM (Cnqmv)

64 Copyright reform is one of those *gasp* populist planks the GOP could pick up!

But no! I'm reflexively against anything populist, whether it promotes freedom or not!

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at December 06, 2012 07:45 PM (mtVEg)

65 OT but . . . the fucking NHL . . .


that's all I got. goddamn them all to hell. Fehr, damn. I like that guy personally. but this shit is weak.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 06, 2012 07:45 PM (J6kXj)

66 Well, there's Tsar Nicholas II. All we need now for a quorum is Warren B.

Posted by: The Two Pedantic Assholes Club at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (NL15p)

67 "57 Posted by: Contrarian at December 06, 2012 07:32 PM (Ys6PL)

But the idea that a man made entity.... a legal construct... ie a Corporation has RIGHTS???

does that not dilute the very meaning of a God Given, or Natural, RIGHT?

Now, the OWNERS of a Corporation have rights, and should thus be able to speak through their corpoation... and have property rights... and even second Amendment Rights... but that is the Owners of said corporation excercing Their Individual Rights...

So, in that light... should the inheritors (new company owners) derive the benefit from the Copyrighted ideas of someone from long ago? Because if there is no time limit, then everything... every Idea... eventualy will be owned by some corporation...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:43 PM (lZBBB) "

Not all rights are equal. Few things ever are.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (aLLUm)

68 Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:39 PM (kcfmt)

But when was the last time a Mickey Mouse ANYTHING was made?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (lZBBB)

69 Here is a fundamental issue. In what way is the Progressive Income Tax not unjust?

Too many "conservatives" agree to tax the rich more.

Until you understand this simple truth, there will be no true reform.

Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (V70Uh)

70 Getting ready for the Broncos game.


Who we playing? Oh sheet, the filthy Raiders!!! This could be a bloodfest. It's the Raiders' Super Bowl.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 07:44 PM

Who's gonna be givin' me a halftime shout out tonight?



Posted by: Jason Whitlock at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (wwsoB)

71 THANK YOU AL

Progressive rates are WRONG. everything else follows from that injustice.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at December 06, 2012 07:47 PM (J6kXj)

72
56 Crony Socialism/Statism.

Yup, more like it.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 07:47 PM (CM59X)

73 But when was the last time a Mickey Mouse ANYTHING was made? Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (lZBBB)

Merchandise??

Daily.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 07:48 PM (RqkrF)

74 Evee bing-bong 2 cent !!

Posted by: Mr . Washy Washy at December 06, 2012 07:48 PM (M2+F0)

75 Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 07:48 PM (RqkrF)

Cartoon? Movie? TV Show? not lately to my knowledge (although my kids are grown now)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (lZBBB)

76 51 "Don't tax. Abolish (or limit) intellectual property laws, which are an inherently statist concept."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney

Ayn Rand thought copyrights (etc.) should last for the life of the inventor/patent-holder plus 25 years.


Posted by: JohnJ at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (Tt6ky)

77 One corporation is doing well since the election;

Gun Sales Surge: Smith Wesson Announces Sales +48%

http://tinyurl.com/ahd7gyt

Posted by: kbdabear at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (wwsoB)

78 Later, all.

God bless.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (aLLUm)

79 Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 07:46 PM (V70Uh)



Wrong question:

Here is a fundamental issue. In what way is the Income Tax just?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (Cnqmv)

80 >>>> Valuable copyrights are part of what keeps lots of people, you know, employed with Disney<<<<<

Nobody will get paid to make Mickey shit if Disney's copyright expires?


Posted by: US Mint gnomes at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (BF5Y9)

81 Fuck this bullshit perpetual copyright protection. If a guy wants to develop and market a highly realistic set of Betty and Veronica sex dolls and puts like a $160,000 of his own money into it, he shouldn't have to be subject to a lawsuit by the Archie Comics Corp. Also, his wife should totally understand the unfair nature of these absurd and archaic laws.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (+lsX1)

82 #28

The guy has been dead for 46 years. Some of the major players at Disney probably weren't born yet. The largest shareholder, who died a while back, was in first or second grade when Walt went into the freezer.

And don't kid yourself. Walt was a fierce guardian of his copyrights. He pushed for longer protection periods during his lifetime and established the policy at Disney.

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (kcfmt)

83 Conservatives in California should put an initiative on the ballot that places an excise tax of 100+% on all profits make from copyrighted works older than 30 years or so.

To sweeten the pot, require that the money from this tax goes to purchase pencils or desks for the public schools.

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 06, 2012 07:50 PM (XvHmy)

84 Remember, you internet people are irredeemably stupid. Sorry. Someone had to say it.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II's Gristle-encased head at December 06, 2012 07:50 PM (NL15p)

85 Maus, say "cheez".

Posted by: McBain at December 06, 2012 07:50 PM (jPVBi)

86 http://youtu.be/ejEVczA8PLU

Hakuna matata...no worries... tomorrow we burn.

Posted by: sTevo at December 06, 2012 07:51 PM (VMcEw)

87 Cartoon? Movie? TV Show? not lately to my knowledge (although my kids are grown now)... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (lZBBB)

That's true but the big money is in merchandise these days, not so much the films.

There is a woman who lives 2 doors down from me, must be 26 or so, and her license plate is "N2DZNY"

Leaving aside how so very wrong that is, she's getting those stuffed Mickey Mouse toys somewhere...

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 07:52 PM (RqkrF)

88
If Rum was still around, she'd have a hit put out on you for saying that.

She might still lurk here, so be careful starting your car


Be that as it may, I speak from personal experience. I used to play at the House of Blues down here.

We called it the House of Rules. Not a damned one of them made any sense. Disney is comprised of a bunch of corporate control freaks who get their rocks off on telling others what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. They've managed to suck the life out of the local music scene down here.

They're greedy bastards and bitches, all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 06, 2012 07:53 PM (yiIja)

89
As of 4 p.m., Washington state had issued marriage licenses to 769 same-sex couples, including 456 in King County. #MEDayWA

"As of 4PM, Washington state had issued marriage licenses to 769 same-sex couples..." #MEDayWA"


"as of 6PM, 557 of the couples had already broken up."

gigg, I keed, I keed!

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 07:53 PM (1Y+hH)

90

why so vulgar?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 07:53 PM (vanqS)

91 #68

You're kidding, right?

Epic Mickey was a big hit despite being exclusive to the Nintendo Wii. The multi-platform Epic Mickey 2 is one of the biggest video game titles of this season.

http://tinyurl.com/akv564h

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (kcfmt)

92 Who calls for Steam Punk Willie?

Posted by: Bawney Fwank in a brass g-string, aviator goggles, and flowing scarf at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (86/8G)

93 Disney are hypocrites. Anything before Walt, they aggressively strove to remove copyright laws on. Anything after Walt, they aggressively want strong copyright laws.

Walt Disney's Pinocchio. Walt Disney's Lady and the Tramp. Walt Disney's Jungle Book. Fuck, Disney didn't even invent Bambi.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (uhAkr)

94 89

is there gonna be some Parent A Parent B form shenaniganry again

Posted by: JDP at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (60GaT)

95 Casablanca on TCM at 8.

Posted by: steevy at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (9XBK2)

96 How about an "I Support This Agenda Tax" and let people chose the social programs they want. Defense and Justice don't enter into it because they are mandated by the constitution.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at December 06, 2012 07:54 PM (BAnPT)

97 Copyright laws protect property rights. The last time I looked, protecting property rights is a pretty important facet of free market capitalism.

How long they should last is open to debate but I don't see an argument for shorter copyright terms as the correct application of conservative orthodoxy. If anything, a longer term would be more consistent with allowing the creator to benefit from the fruits of his creation.

On the other hand, if you just want to kick Disney hard in the gonads, I'm totally okay with the shorter term.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 07:55 PM (QKKT0)

98 Posted by: McBain at December 06, 2012 07:50 PM (jPVBi)

I can haz maus traps?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 07:55 PM (Cnqmv)

99 I assume everyone in favor of perpetual copyrights are also in favor of perpetual patents. If not, why not? What is the difference?

Posted by: US Mint gnomes at December 06, 2012 07:56 PM (BF5Y9)

100 OK, first of all, the Mickey Mouse trademark would still be Disney's. People will not be able to make new Mickey Mouse stuff...I think.

The copyright is just for old cartoons, books, etc. Those could be reprinted and sold cheaply.

You would not see knock-off new material as that would violate the trademark...I think.

IANAL.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 06, 2012 07:56 PM (dZQh7)

101 #83

So, all of those elderly authors (or their surviving spouses) of books that have been revived on the Kindle should just go screw themselves?

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 07:56 PM (kcfmt)

102 Unsock!

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at December 06, 2012 07:57 PM (BF5Y9)

103 Walt Disney's Pinocchio. Walt Disney's Lady and the Tramp. Walt Disney's Jungle Book. Fuck, Disney didn't even invent Bambi.

Fuck Bambi.

Posted by: The Hunter at December 06, 2012 07:57 PM (QKKT0)

104 Funny how the Dems propose extending these copyright extension rights to "corporate owners" of these patents, but bitched and moaned about corporations having free speech in the "Citizens United" case.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 06, 2012 07:57 PM (Zd/NW)

105
Drug patents only last for what...12 years or so?

I know it's a short period.

Posted by: wheatie at December 06, 2012 07:57 PM (CM59X)

106

If a guy wants to develop and market a highly realistic set of Betty and
Veronica sex dolls and puts like a $160,000 of his own money into it,
he shouldn't have to be subject to a lawsuit by the Archie Comics Corp.



Strictly theoretically, right?

Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 07:58 PM (UaxA0)

107

>>> Posted by: chitown jerry

you out of the hospital yet?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 07:58 PM (NLH1M)

108 Remember, you internet people are irredeemably stupid. Sorry. Someone had to say it.

'alright. I just feel bad that you are carrying the burden.

Posted by: fluffy, just a character on the webz at December 06, 2012 07:58 PM (O6q63)

109 Only Democrats care about skin color

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 07:59 PM (iQa7c)

110
Time for some Sutter Home Merlot to prepare for the battle of the cheerleaders. Those Raider-ettes are scary beeches.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 07:59 PM (1Y+hH)

111 Eat Bambi.

Posted by: Successful Hunter at December 06, 2012 07:59 PM (+v9b3)

112
So, all of those elderly authors (or their surviving
spouses) of books that have been revived on the Kindle should just go
screw themselves?


Posted by: epobirs



After 50 years? Fuck yeah. Mark Twain went broke in his old age. What did he do? Pulled his OWN ass out of it by going on a world tour. Payed off every dime.

And didn't gripe about his copyrights.

Posted by: imp at December 06, 2012 07:59 PM (UaxA0)

113 21 They fired the guy that wrote the copyright paper for the republicans
Posted by: Tmitsss at December 06, 2012 07:30 PM (407Ss)
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Wow, these Republicans are just as fucking corrupt as the democrats. Just read about this Marsha Blackburn bitch. Fuck them, I hope they get their just deserts when this sucker burns down.

Link: http://bit.ly/TVv8uR (The Weekly Standard)

Posted by: Too late for finals at December 06, 2012 08:00 PM (BgIBZ)

114 I'm sure Song of the South will be re-released any day now.. You know, to explain the Splash Mountain ride at the parks and give it some context.

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 06, 2012 08:00 PM (BAS5M)

115 I really like shep smith, I like him so much I wish Rupert would give him a 10 year paid vacation to rest his voice.

Posted by: robtr at December 06, 2012 08:00 PM (rTgOf)

116 IANAL.

I not.

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:00 PM (s5xSC)

117 Bambi meets Godzilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAVYYe87b9w

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 06, 2012 08:00 PM (XvHmy)

118 Later, all.

God bless. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at December 06, 2012 07:49 PM (aLLUm) Oh good, the library is closing.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 08:01 PM (1Y+hH)

119 For the third time, will somebody please explain to me what the Mad as Hell thing was about, which sparked two entire threads?

I feel like I'm outside the radius of an in-joke.

Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:02 PM (sdi6R)

120 Epobirs, is Google still embroiled in their digital theft case with all those authors?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 06, 2012 08:03 PM (cvHsd)

121 Instead of a no-new-taxes pledge, we should require candidates to sign a voluntary term limits pledge.

Someone who knows their job is not a career would be free to make decisions such as these without concerning themselves with the consequences.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:03 PM (piMMO)

122

it's funny how the people living inside my computer have petty feuds with each other



Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 08:03 PM (8dspl)

123 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 07:55 PM (QKKT0)


I don't think there is any principled conservative argument with the principle of ensuring that originators/creators/authors/inventors should be able to profit from their work and that this requires a protective time frame to be established. The argument is with the practical precedent that has been established that essentially makes the protective time frame unlimited. There are several workable ways to do this, but actually discussing them and trying to reformulate them would require Congress to get their hands out of the till, think, and craft workable legislation, any one of which would interrupt the Congressional vacation schedule.


To quote Uncle Remus, "Legislating be hard work!"

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (Cnqmv)

124 119
For the third time, will somebody please explain to me what the Mad as Hell thing was about, which sparked two entire threads?



I feel like I'm outside the radius of an in-joke.

Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:02 PM (sdi6R)

When ace posted the 'Flashback' threadearlier , 'mad as hell' made a comment early on that ticked ace off. He apparently has a reputation of getting pissed off if a thread not related to politics is posted. Guess ace had enough of it and.....the rest is history.

Posted by: Tami at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (X6akg)

125 I feel like I'm outside the radius of an in-joke.Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:02 PM (sdi6R)___ ____ ____ _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___ _Mad as hell posted something no one can find that sent ace into a C. Johnson-esque rage.Then I got blood in my eyes and couldn't see anymore, so that's all I got.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (1Y+hH)

126 I really like shep smith, I like him so much I wish Rupert would give him a 10 year paid vacation to rest his voice.


****

Poor thing. He works so hard.

He really needs a vacation.

Kilmeade can fill in for him in one slot and Boling in the other.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (piMMO)

127 For the third time, will somebody please explain to me what the Mad as Hell thing was about, which sparked two entire threads?

You could do something crazy and read the post.

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (O6q63)

128 #93

Perhaps you haven't noticed but there have been countless non-Disney Pinocchio works over the last several decades. Disney only owns their version. That is different from an entirely original work that originated within the company or an entity that is now part of the company, such as Pixar or Marvel.

Warner will eventually give up its license on the Harry Potter franchise, retaining ownership solely of those works it originated under the license but still having to pay royalties to Rowling's IP operation on any new revenues. (The history of the Nintendo 64 game Goldeneye has been a very interesting maze of IP conflicts in regards to making it available for newer platforms.) There could potentially be entirely new movies made of the Harry Potter books but such is the nature of licensing. The bigger question is whether anyone will still care.

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 08:05 PM (kcfmt)

129 Remember, you internet people are irredeemably stupid. Sorry. Someone had to say it.


Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II's Gristle-encased head at December 06, 2012 07:50 PM (NL15p)
No need to apologize man. A lot of times you just go along with your day and you think being on the internet will make your stupidity redeemable, so it's a real breath of fresh air when someone points out that it's actually irredeemable. Thanks for your courage bro.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 06, 2012 08:05 PM (+lsX1)

130 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 07:55 PM (QKKT0)

the key is that Disney got special treatment.... they did not have to follow the law that everyone else does... and THAT is not a Conservative ideal...

Equal application of the law is the antithesis of Cronyism....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 08:05 PM (lZBBB)

131 You could do something crazy and read the post.

Have I taught you nothing, my son?

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Breitbart at December 06, 2012 08:05 PM (RqkrF)

132

>>>I feel like I'm outside the radius of an in-joke


I dunno either.

oh look, a furry squirrel

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 08:05 PM (1WM2H)

133 handing Meremortal a tissue.

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:06 PM (nqBYe)

134 YouTube is acting up here. Could someone post a link to 'Apocalypse Pooh'?

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 08:06 PM (O6q63)

135 Posted by: Tami at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (X6akg)

Bet Mad as Hell likes Crossbows....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 06, 2012 08:07 PM (lZBBB)

136 Casablanca on TCM.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 08:07 PM (79ueO)

137 tanks *wipes eyes*

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at December 06, 2012 08:08 PM (1Y+hH)

138 Problem is, as long as a theoretically immortal corporation instead of a
mortal human can own (or even "create") content, then the *Framer's*
individual-focused logic of a copyright expiring within a human
creator's lifetime does not logically apply to a corporation. Unlike a
human being who has no need to make money off their creation after
they're dead, a corporation's "intellectual property" is the reason the
corporation exists in the first place.


Allow copyright to be renewed every 20 years, but with at an increasing cost each time. 1st renewal - 2x; 2nd renewal - 4x; 3rd renewal - 16x.

At that point you're coming up on 100 years, and very few IPs will make it that far. The ones that do will likely be property of large corporations that can afford to pay to keep it out of the public domain, considering that they are surviving off the work of generations before them.

The goal of patents and copyrights is to encourage innovators by allowing them to profit off discoveries and to encourage industriousness, not to allow a person to live the next 60 years in luxury because they had a good idea at 20 years old.

Posted by: Alex at December 06, 2012 08:08 PM (HwgHt)

139 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrinBWuOopY

?

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:08 PM (nqBYe)

140

Ace is funny.

In every sense.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 08:09 PM (xIzGn)

141 Have I taught you nothing, my son?

**mumbles and looks at ground**

I'm real sorry.

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 08:09 PM (O6q63)

142 wc

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:09 PM (nqBYe)

143 31 It's touching to know the true conservatives of the Internet (cough) are now the pro-tax, anti-business party. Terrific. BTW, just because Disney owns ABC and ESPN doesn't make it "the media." Last I checked Disney was an entertainment and leisure company conglomerate's holding companywith various subsidiaries.Have I already lost you? Valuable copyrights are part of what keeps lots of people, you know, employed with Disney. Speaking of which,one of the tragedies of the Internet is its demographics. The combination of lack of education, lack of real world experience and lack of maturity quite literally boggle the mind.
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 06, 2012 07:35 PM (pmsMR)
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Calling bullshit on this condescending tripe. Disney shouldn't get any special privileges. If the copyright laws are wrong, we change the laws. The only reason they're not changed and Disney keeps getting their special extension is because they are lining pockets.

If your argument is to be take as valid then it is equally as valid to say that you are the internet bullshit con masquerading as a "true conservative" while advocating for corporate favoritism and congressional selection of winners and losers in the marketplace.

Posted by: Too late for finals at December 06, 2012 08:09 PM (BgIBZ)

144 It's for the Children!

Posted by: Burnin' down the House at December 06, 2012 08:10 PM (+v9b3)

145 #112

I suspect strongly that he would have expected payment in a world where global distribution was a norm. Authors put up with egregious pirating of written works then because there was simply no way around it.

But if you really believe someone like Jerry Pournelle should be taxed 100% on new sales of Lucifer's Hammer, well, fuck you very much. There is simply no basis for negotiation with that mentality.

Posted by: epobirs at December 06, 2012 08:10 PM (kcfmt)

146 But I can't turn Disney down, I always cry when Bambi's mother dies !!!

Walt was obsessed with male asses. Old Disney cartoons have more an order of magnitude more ass jokes than the Warner Brothers and MGM stuff. In Disney cartoons, male characters are always getting tickled in the ass with feathers, kicked in the ass, getting straight pins jammed into their asses, sitting on tacks, getting bayoneted in the ass...

Walt also took special pains to render male buttocks as round and prominent as possible, while Warner Brothers and MGM went for the sexy, round, female butts.

Compare a typical Tex Avery cartoon to a Walt Disney cartoon sometime. The difference is amazing.

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:10 PM (s5xSC)

147 Condescending tripe is what I do, son.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II's Gristle-encased head at December 06, 2012 08:11 PM (NL15p)

148
If Pubbies gut the copyright extension, think of how adversely that would affect Tom Hanks' sure-fire Oscar winning performance as Ol' Walter!

Posted by: yet another liberal knob-gobbler at December 06, 2012 08:11 PM (Jcd0S)

149 124
When ace posted the 'Flashback' threadearlier , 'mad as hell' made a comment early on that ticked ace off. He apparently has a reputation of getting pissed off if a thread not related to politics is posted. Guess ace had enough of it and.....the rest is history.
Posted by: Tami at December 06, 2012 08:04 PM (X6akg)


Thanks, Tami. Gotcha.

That was the one thread that I didn't look at, because I have no fucking idea who Pat O'Brien is or why I should care about his voicemails.

Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:12 PM (sdi6R)

150 97 Copyright laws protect property rights. The last time I looked, protecting property rights is a pretty important facet of free market capitalism.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 07:55 PM (QKKT0)
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Agreed but Disney doesn't deserve special privileges unavailable to copyright holders that do not have millions to dump into various congressional receptacles. If the law is wrong we change it. There is not conservative or capitalist about using the government to select who receives exemption from the law, especially in exchange for "donations."

Posted by: Too late for finals at December 06, 2012 08:12 PM (BgIBZ)

151
Someone who knows their job is not a career would be free to make
decisions such as these without concerning themselves with the
consequences.


Term limits should be pushed to be made part of the Republican platform. Even if they can't get them passed in Congress, the party should still impose them internally. If you're a Republican in the House, you serve no more than ten years, for example, and if you try to run for another term the party will not support you. You can certainly run for another office, but you do have to move on.

The cemeteries are full of "indispensable" men, something most politicians would do well to remember.

Posted by: Alex at December 06, 2012 08:12 PM (HwgHt)

152
@13: "Mickey Mouse is getting a gay marriage to Scrooge McDuck."

No, Mickey. I didn't call your wife crazy. I said "Minnie's fucking Goofy!"

Posted by: Launchpad McQuack at December 06, 2012 08:13 PM (FsqHK)

153 lol

Posted by: really, really pis'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:13 PM (nqBYe)

154 The top US envoy to Syria warned on Thursday that extremists were gaining influence in the Syrian opposition and that this influence would only increase the longer fighting dragged on in the Levant country.

US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, speaking to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, described extremist groups that had “little by little been gaining influence among the armed opposition.” He pointed particularly to an al-Qaida affiliate in Iraq that is now operating in Syria.

This guy does NOT seem to be parroting the obama line, so I expect him to be relieved of his duties or the State Department will say he misspoke?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 08:14 PM (79ueO)

155 Woo hoo! Conservatives ought to be hammering this issue all the time. And Ace just did. Woo hoo!

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 06, 2012 08:14 PM (EE56y)

156 it's hard to stay piss'd off now.

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:14 PM (nqBYe)

157 My name's Simon an' I like to do drawings.

Are you looking at my bum? Bum-looker!




Posted by: Cheeky Monkey at December 06, 2012 08:16 PM (I88Jc)

158 156 it's hard to stay piss'd off now.Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:14 PM (nqBYe)

If I tickled you would you be the jolly 'ette?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:16 PM (RqkrF)

159
@154 - Or, the administration is planning to use the "preparing their chemical weapons" rumor as an excuse to carpet bomb the Assad administration back to the Stone Age. The envoy's comments would merely be another bit of support for such a move by our military (as it would avoid dragging out the civil war, which seems to be what the envoy is suggesting).

Posted by: junior at December 06, 2012 08:16 PM (UWFpX)

160 Nevergiveup ,think assad will do it?

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:17 PM (nqBYe)

161 Let's use Red tactics against them:Mickey wants to be free!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:17 PM (4u2LN)

162
This guy does NOT seem to be parroting the obama line, so I expect him to be relieved of his duties or the State Department will say he misspoke?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 08:14 PM (79ueO

------------
Maybe Teh JEF will send him to Benghazi

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 06, 2012 08:18 PM (jucos)

163 10
We'll accomplish nothing until we break up the Enemedia.
100 of us not watching CNN isn't going to do it.
-
Exactly.

Though we should be talking about the right things now. Like Ace just did.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 06, 2012 08:18 PM (EE56y)

164 I am mad as hell, however:

The only local supermarket chain that carried my favorite brand of potato chips, Gibbles, has stopped carrying them. I've been to a couple of different stores, and the customer service people were unable to help me. Apparently it was a corporate decision.

I may be reduced to buying potato chips online. How pathetic is that?

Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:18 PM (sdi6R)

165 I will admit that a flat income tax, with no deductions, is just.


Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 08:18 PM (V70Uh)

166 sean, perhaps.
brownies might help too.

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:19 PM (nqBYe)

167 Hey, who is this calling me from a San Diego area code?

Posted by: Andy Reid at December 06, 2012 08:19 PM (ufLRj)

168 The Chinese don't respect copyright laws and they will soon own Disney and everything else.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 08:20 PM (HDgX3)

169 Wait...... What?

Posted by: Norv Turner at December 06, 2012 08:20 PM (jucos)

170
The answer is when the Republican Party becomes conservative. That's when.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2012 08:20 PM (n/ubI)

171 AAAHAHAhahaha ! I’m like the worst, most overrated, cartoon character of all time! Without a hit in decades with a voiceover any child can imitate and I own your ass! You’re all in my trap, TRAP! GET IT!?

Posted by: The Mickuation at December 06, 2012 08:20 PM (0ImZM)

172 I may be reduced to buying potato chips online. How pathetic is that?Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 08:18 PM (sdi6R)Write them a letter, tell them it is RACIST to stop carrying your chips. They will have them back next week

Posted by: robtr at December 06, 2012 08:21 PM (rTgOf)

173 Term limits should be pushed to be made part of the Republican platform. Even if they can't get them passed in Congress, the party should still impose them internally. If you're a Republican in the House, you serve no more than ten years, for example, and if you try to run for another term the party will not support you. You can certainly run for another office, but you do have to move on.


***

I am not for a law because it squelches our freedom to elect who we choose. In a way, it would be better to have a pledge anyway because we know, each time a candidate steps up, what their priorities are.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:21 PM (piMMO)

174 jaunts of with a smirk, head cocked back and closed eyes whistling that stupid whistle, stops, sticks tongue out, then continues

Posted by: The Mickuation at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (0ImZM)

175 Politics is the art of the possible. With so much money at stake, the kind of copyright reform we would prefer may be impossible.

A possible compromise: after some reasonable period, require that companies start filing affirmative paperwork to keep copyrights going. Put a nominal fee on it; I'd even be willing to make it $1 but $10 should certainly not be a problem. But require filing that paperwork, ideally every single year. (Maybe it should be longer, even as long as five years... but no longer.)

Disney will keep its legal team busy keeping track of all their old properties and keeping the copyrights extended. Meanwhile vast quantities of stuff will start falling into the public domain.

There are properties that are tied up in legal limbo, where nobody is even sure who holds the rights, or the rights are split among parties who don't agree. The renewal scheme solves the former: if I'm not sure whether I own something, can I really be bothered to keep track of it and keep filing the forms and paying the fees? The renewal scheme might solve the latter: if I file the forms and nobody else tries to, then I am the presumptive owner; if multiple parties try to file the forms, make them fight it out in court. (There can only be one.)

This would be a lot better than extending copyright to life of creator plus 500 years or whatever.

Posted by: mr_jack at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (TMG3G)

176
OTOH, Newsweek is gonna lose $22 million this year, so that's a good chuckle.

Sometimes you run out of other peoples money.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (n/ubI)

177 The cemeteries are full of "indispensable" men, something most politicians would do well to remember.


****

I like this.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (piMMO)

178 "Hello Pluto."

Sounds much better than it reads.

Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (V70Uh)

179 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w7OgIMMRc4

sweet child of mine.

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (nqBYe)

180 Posted by: WaitingForMartel

I love the freakin nic's on this site.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (QupBk)

181 i'm not for term limits, but then i am a naive youngun who thinks people're too cynical about politicians' motives, whether you agree with their ideas or not

Posted by: JDP at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (60GaT)

182 166 sean, perhaps.brownies might help too. Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:19 PM (nqBYe)

Funny, I just happen to have made a batch of Triple Chocolate Brownies about an hour ago.

Weird.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (RqkrF)

183 Come after me, bro.

Posted by: Jihadi Willie at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (ZA675)

184 Nevergiveup ,think assad will do it?
Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:17 PM (nqBYe)


No, but one day, one of these arab dictators with WMDs will use them. It's going to happen. Just don't be there when it does.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (79ueO)

185 i'm not for term limits, but then i am a naive youngun who thinks people're too cynical about politicians' motives, whether you agree with their ideas or not


****

You are bullshitting us, right?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)

186

Guess what I downloaded today.

I'll tell you.

Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD

the 1998 TV movie starring David Hasselhoff

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (+oin+)

187 Man, life is truly good.

Enjoy your bark soup.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (QupBk)

188
robtr has a good point

Nibble With Gibbles!

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (85EaA)

189 51 Don't tax. Abolish (or limit) intellectual property laws, which are an inherently statist concept.
-
My suggestion (actually Instapundit's): Abolish or limit the intellectual property laws and repeal the Hollywood tax cuts. And make them live by honest accounting too.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 06, 2012 08:24 PM (EE56y)

190 man the trolls here are extra-weird

Posted by: JDP at December 06, 2012 08:25 PM (60GaT)

191 The Syrians were NEVER our friends. If Assad wants to murder his people, oh well.


Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 08:25 PM (V70Uh)

192 Man, life is truly good. Am I right, pussies?

Posted by: Romney Defeats Obama at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (KdyqO)
yeah about how You felt in 2004
i remember the scream still.hey how did you like that blood for oil and endless war cht?yeah i know, all b.smazel tov.

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:26 PM (nqBYe)

193 The Syrians were NEVER our friends. If Assad wants to murder his people, oh well.


****

What about Jordan?

When does it go down?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:26 PM (piMMO)

194 man don't reply to that stupid cockslobber

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 06, 2012 08:27 PM (85EaA)

195 where do we go , where do we go now

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:27 PM (nqBYe)

196 Sometimes you run out of other peoples money.

You always run out of someone else's money. That's what liberal fuckwads never seem to understand.

They're impervious to reality.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:27 PM (RqkrF)

197 What about Jordan?

When does it go down?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:26 PM (piMMO)

It's only a matter of time and time is running out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 08:27 PM (79ueO)

198 where do we go , where do we go now

I'm long on precious metals, mostly brass, copper and lead.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:27 PM (QupBk)

199
Term limits should be pushed to be made part of the Republican platform.


You'd think this would be a good idea, but it isn't. We have them here in the People's Republic of California, and they're a disaster. Assholes who know they won't be running again spend their last term feathering their post-legislative nests by proposing all sorts of corrupt shit favoring, e.g., unions, and then go to a sinecure with that union. All the other assholes who will eventually be in the same position vote for it.

Better for the end to come swiftly, and unexpectedly.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:28 PM (4u2LN)

200 Niedermeyer, i bet soon and badly. I actually kinda liked King Abdullah

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:28 PM (nqBYe)

201 175 Politics is the art of the possible. With so much money at stake, the kind of copyright reform we would prefer may be impossible.
-
Advocate it anyway, like Ace just did. There's every reason to think that advocating it might be a political winner, it's the right thing to do, and what "may be impossible" might turn out actually to be possible.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 06, 2012 08:28 PM (EE56y)

202 176

OTOH, Newsweek is gonna lose $22 million this year, so that's a good chuckle.

Sometimes you run out of other peoples money.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2012 08:22 PM (n/ubI)

_____________________
Who bought them for $1 again? What a bad investment.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 08:29 PM (HDgX3)

203 God Dammit!

Where is the F'n Football Thread?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:29 PM (uis79)

204 You'd think this would be a good idea, but it isn't. We have them here in the People's Republic of California, and they're a disaster. Assholes who know they won't be running again spend their last term feathering their post-legislative nests by proposing all sorts of corrupt shit favoring, e.g., unions, and then go to a sinecure with that union. All the other assholes who will eventually be in the same position vote for it.

****

Aren't there rules about post-term employment with those they have impacted through their votes?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:29 PM (piMMO)

205 toby, i will have the toilet tissues , and rice.

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:29 PM (nqBYe)

206 Term limits wouldn't solve anything. If anything it would make things worse. If you know you only have 10 years to steal, you'll steal as much as you can in every one of those 10 years. At least without term limits, politicians start slow and only begin to really steal in years 10-20.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 08:30 PM (HDgX3)

207
Abolish (or limit) intellectual property laws, which are an inherently statist concept.

Disagree. Both patent and copyright laws "promote the useful arts," by providing a market-based incentive to inventors and authors, respectively. The length of the exclusivity period is debatable, but the concept is sound.

The USSRdid not recognize intellectual property rights in patents, but instead gave "inventor's certificates." (No word on whether they came perforated, on a roll.) Result: fuck-all innovation.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:31 PM (4u2LN)

208 noodie kazoo

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 08:31 PM (Fely/)

209 Aren't there rules about post-term employment with those they have impacted through their votes?

For Federal civil service....yes. For Congress....no

They exempt themselves from damn near every law they write.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:31 PM (RqkrF)

210 Funny, I just happen to have made a batch of Triple Chocolate Brownies about an hour ago.



Weird.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:23 PM (RqkrF)

oh man, that's so mean!
i can imagine that, although there is no way i'm going to go to the grocers tonight, i painted yesterday and all night. tired

Posted by: slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (nqBYe)

211 man don't reply to that stupid cockslobber

So, let it burn?

Posted by: fluffy at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (O6q63)

212 Walter, we are well over 100 comments. Feel free to start the conversation here.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (piMMO)

213 I'm for term limits for unelected government employees.

And if the private citizen is getting a federal or federal-mandated paycheck, term-limit that shit too.

Then we can talk about term-limiting "politicians". Politicians' jobs are phoney-baloney anyway; these days the real laws are regulations, and those are made and enforced by agencies who are only tangentially involved in the election process.

Posted by: zimriel at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (QTHTd)

214
Aren't there rules about post-term employment with those they have impacted through their votes?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:29 PM (piMMO)
Precious child.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (4u2LN)

215 @186 i'm not for term limits, but then i am a naive youngun who thinks people're too cynical about politicians' motives, whether you agree with their ideas or not *** And who says there's no hope left for our country , refreshing ... that and you've just redefined douchebaggery

Posted by: FURPC at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (0ImZM)

216 Crap. I forgot to get my Thursday night pick in for the game.

FML.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:33 PM (QupBk)

217 For Federal civil service....yes. For Congress....no

They exempt themselves from damn near every law they write.


****

THAT is one thing that mkaes me wanna go postal.

They should never pass a law, such as Obamacare, under which they don't have to live.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:33 PM (piMMO)

218 "Valuable copyrights are part of what keeps lots of people, you know, employed with Disney."

Special pleading, instance 45,377,541,924,068.

See Bastiat's petition of the candlemakers for an earlier, satirical example of same.

Why, if only we granted EVERY company unique and valuable market privileges as a matter of federal law, then all of their competitive positions would be comfortably shored up, and they'd never have to fire anyone, and the national prosperity would be assured!

Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2012 08:34 PM (ymG7s)

219 The only opinions the Republicans in Congress care about are those held by the people who work for The Washington Post or MSNBC. So, in answer to the question "When will the Republicans stop subsidizing huge Democrat donors" the answer is "Never."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 06, 2012 08:34 PM (P7hip)

220 Man, life is truly good. Am I right, pussies?

Weird. Wanting fiscal responsibility makes people pussies?

What kind of abnormality makes someone not only personalize politics to the insane level you do, pledging your loyalty to the likes of Barack Obama(!), but then also engenders in him such hate that he becomes a literal imbecile?

What, exactly, is pussified about trying to avoid fiscal collapse? Why are you celebrating loading up your descendents with debt they can never repay?

You're not capable of rational thought anymore, if you ever were.

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:34 PM (s5xSC)

221 Michigan RTW thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 08:35 PM (piMMO)

222 oh man, that's so mean. slightly piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 08:32 PM (nqBYe)

Had to make them for a potluck tomorrow. Had about 3 left over. I will have one for you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:35 PM (RqkrF)

223
Why, if only we granted EVERY company unique and valuable market privileges as a matter of federal law, then all of their competitive positions would be comfortably shored up



It's reasonable to give the innovator exclusive rights for a while, to let him reap the benefits of his innovation. Otherwise, the big boys see what he's done, and they'll simply muscle him out of the picture with their greater marketing and financial clout. Intellectual property laws level that playing field to some extent.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:36 PM (4u2LN)

224 Condescending tripe is what I do, son.

That's my turf you're stepping on, boy.

You'll be hearing from my copyright attorneys.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 08:36 PM (X9Mnx)

225 What kind of abnormality makes someone not only personalize politics to the insane level you do, pledging your loyalty to the likes of Barack Obama(!), but then also engenders in him such hate that he becomes a literal imbecile?

Missing chromosome

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 06, 2012 08:36 PM (RqkrF)

226 From the link: "Republicans are surprisingly close to the entertainment industry."

An industry which never tires of demonizing them, distorting their positions, and supporting their opponents.

And you wonder why this party loses elections. Sheesh.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2012 08:38 PM (ymG7s)

227
We need to throw some elbows under the basket. Shit on conservatives? OK, right back at ya. We'll support legislation taxing music, movies, bathhouses and other Democrat strongholds.

Oh, does that stick it to the comrades? How about that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:40 PM (4u2LN)

228 Winning means you have the responsibility to govern, and I remain unconvinced that the republican ruling class actually wants that responsibility.

I don't blame them.

Posted by: zimriel at December 06, 2012 08:40 PM (QTHTd)

229 Manning just scored with ease. Donkeys' are tough this year!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:40 PM (uis79)

230 Cocoa Beach used to be the coolest beach in America.

For some strange reason, nature had conspired to make the waves break easy there, and created a tremendously long gradient out to deep water. Your toddlers could play in the waves 40 feet from the waterline, and it would be only up to their knees, and warm.

The skim-boarding zone was tremendous, too. You took a 1/4 inch sheet of plywood, cut out a circle about 20" in diameter, rounded the edges by sanding, and then sealed it with urethane. Throw it in a slow-spin at some inch-deep water, and jump on it. Kids that got good at that could stay on for thirty feet or more.

You had to walk out another 60 feet to get to where the big waves died and it was finally up to an adult's waist. The long, gentle slope continued out over a hundred yards or more, and made for surfable conditions on almost any day. On decent days, the waves were four-to-six footers, and rolled in perfectly for a long, smooth ride. On really good days, you had perfect waves that were eight-to-ten feet. This made Cocoa Beach the only decent east coast beach for surfing contests featuring world-class guys with sponsors.

Coming out of the water, that gentle slope continued, and made a long, flat beach of packed sand that was perfect for driving on, and they used to let anyone drive anything on it. Dune buggies were quite common. By the seventies I think they stopped allowing cars.

Then Disney built a port just North of Cocoa Beach for their new cruise line.
It required some serious dredging to get the water deep enough for their ships.

In a few years, this massive dredging effort altered the conditions, and wiped out the famous, long, smooth grade that made Cocoa Beach a major natural attraction for families from all over the world. Now it's just another east coast beach with a choppy bottom and the surf industry is gone. Ron Jon is still there, as far as I know, and they only sell tourist crap (last time I was there was in the nineties, and it was pathetic). Tee shirts, sunglasses, and bathing suits.

They used to make custom boards there. Had three different stores on the coast. You could find guys making boards all day long.

But hey, Disney Cruise Line!

Fuck Disney Cruise Line.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 08:40 PM (iQa7c)

231 That's what liberal fuckwads never seem to understand.



They're impervious to reality.


Reality isn't a factor when the most important thing in your life is your hate. My leftist brother would gladly become homeless if it meant that the Koch brothers were homeless, too. It keeps him up nights, knowing that there are rich conservatives out there, not only disagreeing with him but having the temerity to act on their convictions.

I'd post links to his YouTube videos, but that would identify us. I showed one of his videos to a kid I know who served at Guantanamo, and he said, "I know he's your brother, man, but I'm sorry, I just want to beat the shit out of him."

So do I, Martin. So do I.

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:41 PM (s5xSC)

232 Hey, if you could get a golden rifle in the shape of a cross, you'd be good to go !!!

You wouldn't, perchance, have a link to such an item.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:41 PM (QupBk)

233 @230

Kiss my Ass!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:41 PM (uis79)

234 " The GOP should be taxing the shit out of the media, not doing it further favors"

Give 'em hell, Ace!

Posted by: mrp at December 06, 2012 08:42 PM (HjPtV)

235 What kind of abnormality makes someone not only personalize politics
to the insane level you do, pledging your loyalty to the likes of Barack
Obama(!), but then also engenders in him such hate that he becomes a
literal imbecile?



Missing chromosome


More than one, I think.

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:42 PM (s5xSC)

236 We need to send that cocksucker Soros a few bucks so he can hire a better quality of troll. One with opposable thumbs would be nice.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:42 PM (4u2LN)

237 You wanna Toe? I can get you a Toe!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:44 PM (uis79)

238
Somebody hear a faint buzzing in the distance?


Nah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:44 PM (4u2LN)

239 Welcome back my hostages to the show that never ends! We're so glad you could attend; come inside, come inside!

Posted by: Carney Evil Number 9 at December 06, 2012 08:46 PM (I88Jc)

240 Too gutless to address the issues I raised.

What a surprise!

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:46 PM (s5xSC)

241 @246

If you want to associate yourself with the Stupid & Lazy of this Country.....be my guest. We choose wiser! Go Away!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:48 PM (uis79)

242 Oh, the tried and true "Soros is cutting back on troll pay" ....

There's only so many ways to point out that you're a simpleton. Besides, recycling is important.

Don't you care about Gaia?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:48 PM (QupBk)

243 Hey, recycle politicians here in California!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:48 PM (4u2LN)

244 Somebody hear a faint buzzing in the distance?

Here's how I picture it:

http://tinyurl.com/35fb3no

Posted by: Llarry at December 06, 2012 08:48 PM (s5xSC)

245 I think its funny how the tea gaggers et al over here were so cocksure about winning. How does it feel? To be on your own? With no direction home? And now, with Boehner's master stroke, the tea party is officially A COMPLETE UNKNOWN. Man, life is truly good. Am I right, pussies?

I admire your writing style, and would gladly hire you on, товарищ.

Posted by: Крокодил at December 06, 2012 08:49 PM (QTHTd)

246 Btw, who am I mocking here? I came in late to the thread. Ergastularius the empty-handed? Or one of the Dunce Brothers? Or some new silly provincial thinker?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:50 PM (QupBk)

247
Btw, who am I mocking here?


Another turd, on the hoof. Hardly worth bothering with.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:52 PM (4u2LN)

248 Egalite!

Posted by: Smart Set, and shit at December 06, 2012 08:52 PM (I88Jc)

249 "Term limits should be pushed to be made part of the Republican platform."

No. I simply want to restrict the activities of Congress to that small subset of Constitutionally authorized ones. Which would do away with 90% of current legislative mischief. And which would hugely reduce the infestation of lobbyists pushing for more and more corporate welfare, since little of that passes Constitutional muster.

If Congress will simply stick to their knitting in that regard, they can stay for life as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2012 08:53 PM (ymG7s)

250 @256

We don't support the "Party" like you Idiots...We support a Philosophy. We don't care about Republicans...Get a Clue...you sound dumb even though I know you think you smart....But your Not!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 08:54 PM (uis79)

251 Another turd, on the hoof.

And a late one. He should have been here quite a few days ago when we were off-balanced by the Shocker in November! The first reelection of an incumbent president since FDR with an UE rate of 8% and a GDP in the dumper.

I have to admit I shed a tear or two then. Now I'm rebalanced so, meh.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 08:55 PM (QupBk)

252
And a late one. He should have been here quite a few days ago when we were off-balanced by the Shocker in November!


Yep. Maybe he couldn't make bail. That, or they were having a two-for-one sale at the local bathhouse.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 08:57 PM (4u2LN)

253 Old man Walt Disney would have the current management fed to the gators, and filmed it.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 08:59 PM (49lPc)

254 Answer me, bitch. How the fuck does it feel

That's not a serious question. A question demanding an answer would not concern how random Internet people commenting on a blog "feel" about any damn thing. A question demanding an answer would involve how to get out of this mess.

Banhammer ho!

Posted by: zimriel at December 06, 2012 08:59 PM (QTHTd)

255 Ah. Ergy. I still drink his tears.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 09:01 PM (QupBk)

256
I still drink his tears.


Is that wise?

I'd give all his bodily fluids a wide berth if I were you.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 09:02 PM (4u2LN)

257 [Amid the evergreen Quayle "potatoe" reminiscing] Dukakis raped his wife with a rubbing-alcohol bottle while riding a tank!

Posted by: Sore Wiener-Wiener, Chicken Dicker at December 06, 2012 09:03 PM (I88Jc)

258 @264

Sorry Buddy...but the election wasn't a competition of Philosophy you fucking Paraquat...it was a competition of Popularity.

Go Fondle yourself if you think we are impressed by your Pathetic hatred of your own Country......like your Idol "Captain Commie."

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 09:05 PM (uis79)

259 This question is for the tea gaggers. How does it feel to be marginalized out of existence from the GOP?

Probably liberating. It frees the more action inclined ones to not just let it burn, but to help it burn.

You're gonna LOVE that part of the collapse.

Posted by: George Hayduke at December 06, 2012 09:08 PM (NT4Sd)

260 My shit don't stink!

Posted by: Old Niccolo at December 06, 2012 09:09 PM (I88Jc)

261 256
Please, I'd love to know how your sphincter's did a group clench on the Boehner massacre.
Posted by: Romney Defeats Obama at December 06, 2012 08:51 PM (KdyqO)


I don't normally feed trolls, but you're the one whose sphincter should be clenching.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickl at December 06, 2012 09:10 PM (sdi6R)

262 @274

You aren't immune from the consequences of the Obama regime.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 09:12 PM (uis79)

263 Walter, you need to take up something more edifying, such as playing chess with chimps.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 06, 2012 09:15 PM (4u2LN)

264 Allow copyright to be renewed every 20 years, but with at an increasing
cost each time. 1st renewal - 2x; 2nd renewal - 4x; 3rd renewal - 16x.

^^^
This. And the article that mentioned it put a limit of 200 years on holding the copyright. People forget that there are a lot of works in limbo right now. The copyright holders won't republish the work. It's like abandonware, where you have software that the owners don't want but also don't want you to use it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 06, 2012 09:15 PM (5HBd1)

265 @278

Just think how happy we will be when the collapse comes...We will finally get to cleanse the country of people like you....Hope your Ready!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 06, 2012 09:16 PM (uis79)

266 109 Only Democrats care about skin color

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 07:59 PM (iQa7c)
-
This means only Democrat wishes on race will be carried out, since nobody else cares (or admits caring).

What's a racial issue in the 21st century? Everything that relates to who gets what, how and why. In other words the totality of politics, including who gets to be the President, a theory that the Lightworker just proved in practice.

Chronic mass immigration plus forced integration and assimilation (for the Whites, as the non-Whites are free to play identity politics) is genocidal for the Whites. In the long run, it predictably, obviously means that there'll be nobody White left.

Who do you think is going to support any kind of conservative politics or any cause you care about then? Hint: it's not mostly Blacks that support conservative causes.

The left are blatant now that they intend to win this way. They gloat about it. And Ann Coulter and Mark Steyn have written about it. Demography is destiny.

Care (and admit caring) about "skin color" and the politics that go on around it, or let perish every cause you care about, if you are a conservative, even if you don't specifically care about Whites.

Ann Coulter on Demography is Destiny:
http://tiny.cc/1kxvow
and Mark Steyn on Tribal America:
http://tiny.cc/0qxvow

Most-racial America isn't hard to notice:
http://tiny.cc/3fyvow

This isn't a conspiracy theory about carefully hidden leftist motives, left-wing pundits are very plausibly gloating
http://tiny.cc/zryvow
that White people are as good as dead, the way things are going here in the 21st Century.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 06, 2012 09:16 PM (EE56y)

267 Ah yes, the Mickey Mouse Protection Act.

link?

Posted by: Gerry at December 06, 2012 09:22 PM (QZtTp)

268 The older a copyright gets, the more money gets tied up with parasite lawyers instead of productive enterprises.

Old copyrights are not a good thing.

Posted by: Justin at December 06, 2012 09:26 PM (yoAYX)

269 We will finally get to cleanse the country of people like you.

They'll be self-cleansing.

Posted by: George Hayduke at December 06, 2012 09:26 PM (NT4Sd)

270 Maddy called hatty 'bout things she saw!


Posted by: Bully Woolly at December 06, 2012 09:30 PM (I88Jc)

271 Okay, I blamed it on Disney, but in reality, Port Canaveral was being built when Disney started . It was a major deal. But I blame Disney on general principle. And coz I'm a jackwagon, I guess.

The jetties of Port Canaveral are responsible for wrecking the beaches, and they are planning on building an artifical reef (or may have done, I can't tell).

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 09:33 PM (yWJ8z)

272 Here's the real insanity of our intellectual property protection laws: if you spend millions of your own money to research, develop, and perfect a life-saving drug, pay for and pass the several stages of required testing, and win final approval to bring the drug to market from the FDA, you have the exclusive rights to that drug for a maximum of 14 years - and the clock begins ticking the day of approval, not when you are able to begin manufacturing and marketing the drug, typically months or more later.

BUT if you draw a cartoon mouse that becomes a hit, your heirs may win the exclusive rights to it for 75 years after your death.

One presumes that the incentive to produce new works rapidly declines after death. Something is majorly screwed up here.

Posted by: Adjoran at December 06, 2012 11:18 PM (ZHQvg)

273 #272

Patents and copyrights are two entirely different things.

The entertainment field doesn't grind to a halt because Mickey Mouse isn't int he public domain. The number of hugely successful cartoon characters that have been created in Mickey's wake defies numbering.

It would be a very different thing if technologies were owned by their inventors for many decades. A lot of people here consume several medications daily and their cost can be linked directly to their age in the market. A newer drug has to really deliver something special to be chosen over an older drug that can be refilled at Walmart for $4.

Consider the PC or whatever device you are using to view this discussion. Imagine how expensive it would be if every patent connected to the technologies within were still in force and carried a cost for its use.

Posted by: epobirs at December 07, 2012 02:15 AM (kcfmt)

274 The creative 'sensitive' way to do this sort of copyright thing is to recognize that what is being provided is protection, and charge (aka tax) a reasonable amount to cover the cost of that protection. Companies that forgo the protection racket for their patents and copyrights, pay a lower corporate tax rate.

If PooIsUS has a patent that normally runs 20 years, but they're good with 10 years, one might cut their tax rate on income from that patent in by 25%. If they want it only for 5 years, cut it by 37.5%. Let the marketplace play a role in how much the protection racket offered by guberment lasts and costs.

Posted by: drfredc at December 07, 2012 02:16 AM (BoLlc)

275 There are two issues here.

OT1H, it seems right to me that Disney, for instance, should have exclusive use of its intellectual and creative products. No one is injured by not being able to produce their own Mickey Mouse stuff.

OTOH, aggressive copyright and "anti-piracy" laws serve the financial interests of Big Media, which is deeply hostile to conservatives and Republicans.

And there's very little reason for extended copyright on trivial stuff and old trivial stuff, and none for laws that give copyright holders lopsided legal positions that can be used for de facto extortion (remember Righthaven?).

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at December 07, 2012 02:30 AM (bO1qQ)

276 I still cannot believe the number of conservatives who are basically advocating for state-sanctioned theft. That is what you are advocating, by the way, if you favor limitations on intellectual property. You might as well start making your pro-estate-tax signs while you're at it.

Intellectual property can be made, bought and sold, stolen, destroyed -- in sum, intellectual property is property. Why is it that some of you are willing to overlook that basic definitional truth just to fight a political battle against the "media"? If I built a house with my own hands, and then the government tried to take it away from me or my heirs, the story would make this website. Everyone here would be outraged on my behalf. If I wrote a Kindle book, on the other hand, I suppose most people here would be outraged if I got to keep the copyright for more than a few years. (It's a logical consequence of your position.) Despite the fact that, y'know, I MADE IT.

Anything that comes from my mind, set down in recorded form by me, is more mine than anything not directly attached to me could ever be. And yet there are over 200 comments here, and they are overwhelmingly in favor of stripping copyrights and patents from their creators -- for what you see as your benefit. What a...progressive attitude. (Typed with malice aforethought.)

I'll make this simple. If you haven't stopped to think through the implications of the phrase "intellectual property," and what your position says about your attitude toward property in its most vulnerable form, then you need to do so. If you have thought that out, and continue to support drastic limitations on IP rights, then you are a hypocrite -- because there is no principled difference between physical and intellectual property in any way that matters. Worse yet, you are someone who supports the confiscation of others' wealth, and the products of their minds, for your benefit.

Posted by: Demosthenes at December 07, 2012 08:40 AM (Rovyo)

277
Every few years, Disney's earliest copyrights come close to expiring, and the GOP agrees to extend copyright protection -- although we are now at a ridiculous length of time.

Deer GOP (and Disney), copyrights were meant to expire. See, this was the deal: you get a monopoly so you can take your creative endeavor and make some money for a limited time. After that, We (and that is the royal we) would get the benefit that your creative endeavor would now enter into the public domain and enrich our creative commons.

Let me remind you that if the current copyright regime existed back when Uncle Walt was trying to get his company up and running, he would have failed. He would have had to pay a bucket load of money to the Grimm Brothers, LLC for the rights to their creative works.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 07, 2012 09:06 AM (1hM1d)

278
And yet there are over 200 comments here, and they are overwhelmingly in favor of stripping copyrights and patents from their creators -- for what you see as your benefit. What a...progressive attitude.

You know who else was opposed to copyrights and patents? Thomas Jefferson. See, those copyrights and patents are a state-sanctioned monopoly. Monopolies are inherently destructive, and the intent was to limit them to a set number of years to encourage creativity without granting someone a perpetual monopoly.

Modern copyright seems to have no limit, a perpetual monopoly. That is wrong. The current fad of patenting mathematical constructs in the form of computer code is wrong.

But I'm willing to make a compromise. They want a perpetual monopoly? I'll agree to it. But we'll need to impose a 50% tax on gross receipts. You want your monopoly? pay for it.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at December 07, 2012 09:13 AM (1hM1d)

279 262 @274

You aren't immune from the consequences of the Obama regime.

...

A commenter warning a future commenter.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 07, 2012 10:04 AM (dZQh7)

280
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries. ... "

All the current system does is promote intellectual rent seeking.

This day and age, you can buy an idea and then make your money suing anyone else who tries to think it.

Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 10:12 AM (TULs6)

281
Anything that comes from my mind, set down in recorded form by me, is more mine than anything not directly attached to me could ever be.

So the next time you want to cook your food, you're going to pay royalties to the great-great-great-great-grandchildren of the guy who invented firestarting, because that idea is 'part of him' and you'd be stealing his house otherwise?

Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 10:20 AM (TULs6)

282
there is no principled difference between physical and intellectual property in any way that matters.

If you build a house and I take it, you no longer have a house.

If you think of a thought and I copy the same thought, you still have yours.

If you build a house, and I want to build a house as well, should I have to pay you for the idea of 'constructing a dwelling'?

Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 10:22 AM (TULs6)

283
This question is for the tea gaggers. How does it feel to be marginalized out of existence from the GOP?


Probably liberating.


Indubitably.

Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 10:27 AM (TULs6)

284 @278:

"You know who else was opposed to copyrights and patents? Thomas
Jefferson."

Argument from authority. Jefferson's views on the matter do not constitute an argument for, or against, any particular position vis a vis intellectual property.

"See, those copyrights and patents are a state-sanctioned monopoly."

The deed to your house or the title to your car is a state-sanctioned monopoly. You own it, and the state protects your right of ownership. Would you care to have the state strip you of those rights after a time, in the name of enriching the commons? Maybe your car can pass into common ownership, so anyone can drive it.

If intellectual property is property, it oughtn't to be treated differently from any other form of property. The constitutional language allowing it to do so is based on a historical accident -- namely, that intellectual property received NO protection under the law until a few centuries ago. But historical accidents are not the basis for the finding of principled differences. If you're advocating that the state make copyright available to all, you are advocating the confiscation of property on the basis of your definition of public good.

@281:

"So the next time you want to cook your food, you're going to pay
royalties to the great-great-great-great-grandchildren of the guy who
invented firestarting, because that idea is 'part of him' and you'd be
stealing his house otherwise?"

If you can 1) name the person who invented fire, 2) trace that person's lineage through thousands of years, and 3) demonstrate to me which of his/her descendants should most likely be credited with the rights, based on inheritance law and custom across the centuries and throughout different countries/principalities...then we'll discuss your hypothetical. Otherwise, don't be absurd.

@282:

"If you build a house and I take it, you no longer have a house. If you think of a thought and I copy the same thought, you still have yours."

There are two problems with your objection.

The first is the false implication that scarcity is the ultimate determiner of value. Certainly, scarcity matters. McDonald's hamburgers do not cost as much as a filet mignon from a five-star restaurant, in part because there are more of them and more opportunities to get them. But what about quality? Isn't the finished filet mignon fashioned from better raw materials? Shouldn't that have some effect on the determination of value? What about the amount of labor placed into the making of an object? Certainly it has some effect on value, even if it is not (as Marx muddleheadedly suggested) ultimately determinative.

Ultimately, what matters when it comes to value is how much the consumer is willing to pay -- an imperfect measuring of all those factors, and others besides. Your attitude that you will suffer people to make a profit from their intellectual labor, for a limited time...after which the product of their mind should be free to everyone...is really quite astonishing.

The second problem is the false implication that "a thought," a mere thought, is comparable to what is actually under discussion here. If I conceive of an idea for a novel, and I labor to produce the actual text, by what right should you ever be able to profit from my labor based on my idea without my permission -- regardless of how easy it would be to copy? That's just another way of saying that your property rights to your novel, or to your invention, or to any other form of IP, exist as long as we the society are collectively willing to NOT steal them. Is that really what you think is the conservative, liberty-loving position?

Posted by: Demosthenes at December 07, 2012 11:05 AM (Rovyo)

285 GOP to base:

we only propose conservativism, we don't actually "do" conservativism... that would be crazy.

Posted by: Shoey at December 07, 2012 11:49 AM (jdOk/)

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If you can 1) name the person who invented fire, 2) trace that person's lineage through thousands of years, and 3) demonstrate to me which of his/her descendants should most likely be credited with the rights, based on inheritance law and custom across the centuries and throughout different countries/principalities...then we'll discuss your hypothetical.

Seriously?

You're willing to consider paying royalties on fire if we can sort out the details? It neednot go any further than that, that's the point. You're open to considering that actually Prometheus still owns fire and if you want to use it, you've got to pay Prometheus Corp, LLC.

The first is the false implication that scarcity is the ultimate determiner of value.

Umm.... wrong. I'm implying there has to be a loss of goods to constitute theft. It's got shitall to do with scarcity. If you're holding your corndog in your hand, you can't say someone stole your corndog just because you saw someone else holding one that looked like yours.Yours isin your fucking hand genius. The rest of your argument proceeds from that nonsequitar.

Posted by: entropy at December 07, 2012 12:00 PM (TULs6)

287 If only we could get a judgement against Anti-Semitic Mickey over on Al-Aqsa TV

Posted by: Disney Lawyers at December 07, 2012 12:27 PM (hoOQm)

288 @286:

With regard to your hilarious fire example -- my response was meant to point up two things. The lesser of them, which seems to be the only one you grasped, was that I was willing to accept even the most bizarre consequences of my position. This is something that you and yours seem unwilling to do, by the way...in that you're unwilling to treat intellectual property as the property of the person who conceived it, and prefer instead to treat it as a grant from the state.

That still leaves us the greater point I was making, though, which slipped right over your head. Let me spell it out for you: YOUR EXAMPLE WAS RETARDED. I admit that if you can perform the literally impossible task of demonstrating which person or persons could be properly described as owning the rights to fire, I would be willing to discuss what type of compensation they ought to be awarded for the violation of their intellectual property rights. And hey, if you can stop all evil on the planet while you're at it, I will personally nominate you as Emperor-for-Life of the United States of Earth. The one seems about as likely as the other.

"I'm implying there has to be a loss of goods to constitute theft."

Fine. I'll take you at your word that this is what you meant. And I'll admit that if I have a thought, and you then have the same thought, my thought does not thereby vanish from my head. Therefore, as far as that goes, I admit that I have LOST nothing. I presume this admission will please you.

One thing I noticed that you didn't address, though, was that we're not talking about a mere THOUGHT. If I own a copyright, or a patent, that means I have not only had a thought. I have taken some trouble to develop it into a workable form. If I come up with the idea for a book, and I take a year to write it, and I publish it...and you take an hour to cut-and-paste the book from a Kindle copy, reformat it, and then release it under your own name...then has there been a loss of goods? I still have my book, right? I can still sell it under my name, right? So what have I lost? Except the right to decide where and how copies of my work are initially sold, and the right to profit exclusively from the sale of my creation. Oh, and by the way...THOSE RIGHTS ARE GOODS YOU HAVE COST ME. It doesn't matter that they're not tangible. Not all goods are.

Now, I assume you would consider the scenario I have just described to be theft. Unless, of course, we have reached some defined point in the future, at which point it's no longer "theft" to you. At the 14-year mark, or the 28-year mark, or the 95-year mark, or the life-plus-70-years mark, or whatever arbitrary line in the sands of time satisfies you, "theft" magically morphs into "exploiting the public domain." Why? You wouldn't dream of supporting the idea that any of your physical property is automatically available for public use after x amount of time has passed. So you shouldn't feel that way about intellectual property either. If physical property can be inherited in perpetuity (in theory), then intellectual property should be treated the same way. Why? Because...Property. Is. Property.

Posted by: Demosthenes at December 07, 2012 01:33 PM (Rovyo)

289
It doesn't matter if the copyright expires on Mickey Mouse. You still won't be able to use his image freely without fear of being sued by Disney. You see, Mickey is also a trademark of Disney. And trademarks aren't subject to the "limited times" restriction of the Patent and Copyright Clause.
Also: The reason the "limited times" requirement is less stringent for copyright is that if a work has no "exclusive rights," publishers and distributors lose the incentive to publish and distribute it. Extending copyright terms actually makes it more likely that an old work will continue to be distributed than if the exclusive rights were allowed to expire. The incentives of private property, and all that good conservative stuff.
The purpose of IP is dissemination of new ideas. Pvt. rights provide the incentive toobtain wide dissemination (since the more you disseminate your work, the more you profit from it).
Generally speaking, conservative = pro-IP (because IP is private property), and liberal = anti-IP (because anything beneficial should be available freely to all).

Posted by: Dave H at December 07, 2012 03:41 PM (k85z0)

290 285 GOP to base:

we only propose conservativism, we don't actually "do" conservativism... that would be crazy.
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If you only proposed conservatism, it would be a great improvement. When was the last time you proposed limiting intellectual property laws to the boundaries envisaged by Thomas Jefferson, or spoke seriously in favor of devolving power to the states, or proposed turning off the mass immigration tap, or advocated ending the affirmative action / disparate impact / quotas / set-asides complex? What have you proposed lately to restore practically indissoluble marriage for those that want it, and to encourage children to grow up to want it, or advocated a constitutional amendment to restore the property rights that Kelo v. City of New London destroyed?

No, you just tag along after the liberals, endorsing what they advocate, but not as quickly.

Posted by: The Base at December 07, 2012 06:48 PM (YGCAs)






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