Jim DeMint Leaving The Senate To Head Heritage Foundation

Wow.

South Carolina U.S. Senator Jim DeMint will replace Ed Feulner as president of the Heritage Foundation. Mr. DeMint will leave his post as South Carolina's junior senator in early January to take control of the Washington think tank, which has an annual budget of about $80 million.

Sen. DeMint's departure means that South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, a Republican, will name a successor, who will have to run in a special election in 2014. In that year, both Mr. DeMint's replacement and Sen. Lindsey Graham will be running for reelection in South Carolina.

In a lot of ways it makes sense. He's not a team player and in Congress in general and the Senate in particular, that's the name of the game (well, if you're a conservative. Liberal Republicans can go rogue whenever they want with out paying a price. In fact they are often rewarded for it by leadership).

In light of the direction of the country, I think conservatives need to reclaim their own identity and seperate themselves from Republicans.

The fact is conservatives overestimate their popularity. We are far more impressed with ourselves than anyone else is. We think we took over the GOP, the fact is the GOP just kisses our ass every now and then.

We as conservatives should go back to being an intellectual movement and leave the elections to the Republicans. We're not as good at them as we think we are.

UPDATE: Nikki Haley appoints a temporary replacement who will have to run in the next general election (2014 I guess). Lindsay Graham is also up in 2014, so Demint's leaving probably kills any chance of getting Graham out.

Here's DeMint's statement.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:28 AM



Comments

1 Damn.

Posted by: Witchfinder at December 06, 2012 10:29 AM (pLTLS)

2 Huh.

The True Conservative who stands at the head of True Conservatism just can't hack it any more?

Posted by: Lou at December 06, 2012 10:29 AM (xp1pq)

3 Neat here comes our future president

Posted by: alex of the broken kindle at December 06, 2012 10:30 AM (uFY4s)

4 This is a stepping stone

Posted by: alex of the broken kindle at December 06, 2012 10:30 AM (uFY4s)

5 New thread yay

Posted by: alex of the broken kindle at December 06, 2012 10:31 AM (uFY4s)

6 You won't have Jim DeMint to kick around anymore ...

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (iy7de)

7 Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (piMMO)

8 Please, please, please Senator, let your resignation speech be just three words.

"Let. It. Burn."

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (WDCYi)

9 Uh-oh.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (GBXon)

10 Oh man. I am going to MISS him in the Senate.

DeMint 2016? Dare I hope? Yeah, yeah. I'm not even going to bother thinking that far ahead. We'll be in Thunderdome by then.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (4df7R)

11 8 250 words

Posted by: alex of the broken kindle at December 06, 2012 10:33 AM (uFY4s)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:33 AM (5DR1j)

13 Perfect.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 10:33 AM (i0vBR)

14 Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (piMMO)


YES PLEASE!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 06, 2012 10:33 AM (4df7R)

15 Pre-positioning for 2016?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:33 AM (5DR1j)

16 15 looks like it

Posted by: alex of the broken kindle at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s)

17 Good. The Senate is a waste of time.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (J4gw3)

18 well he's not had much success getting the GOP in the senate to be more conservative maybe at heritage he can help get better people elected. Maybe even help in the McConnell primary challenge that's coming. Or that idiot Cornyn in texas.

Posted by: we are so screwed at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (HEa5q)

19 He has talked about leaving for a year and now he'a pulled the trigger. Guess he thinks you cant elect conservatives in a land gone socialist. Cruz was the only bright spot in two years of DeMint's work electing conservatives. Guess he's fed up with the crap.

Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn...

Posted by: Sandman Has hate to spare now at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (jkD0d)

20 "This is an urgent time," the senator said, "because we saw in the last election we were not able to communicate conservative ideas that win elections.''

In other news water is wet.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (feFL6)

21 Wow is right. Huh? WTF? Are we not in Kansas anymore?

Posted by: eureka! at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (HPRku)

22 Interesting. Suppose he figured it would be a better place to ride out the coming storm?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (hLRSq)

23 Wonder who his replacement will be

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:34 AM (uFY4s)

24 Tim Scott, the nations only black Senator ...

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 10:35 AM (iy7de)

25
Well now you have only 1 senator worth shit. Although DeMint knows it's highly unlikely he was going to be able to do jack shit.

All the same, you not only lose DeMint but I guess that makes the prospect of of shaking off Lindsey pretty impossible too.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 10:35 AM (TULs6)

26 "This is an urgent time," the senator said, "because we saw in the last
election we were not able to communicate conservative ideas that win
elections.''


Mayhap the good Senator agrees with my theory of the politics of conflict? Dare I hope?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:35 AM (5DR1j)

27 Damn, he said he would leave after this term but he had 4 more years. Why couldn't that asshole Graham resign. Now we will have to come up with 2 viable candidate who are real conservatives. One to run for DeMint's and One to primary Graham.


This just tells me that there is something bad going on with the Republican Party if he thinks he can do more good with Heritage than as a Senator.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)

28 DeMint is one of the very, very few in DC who "gets it". He knows the bomb has already gone off and wants to get well beyond the blast radius before it hits.

Smart move.

Posted by: DocJ at December 06, 2012 10:36 AM (A5uiv)

29 24 yes yes yes

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:36 AM (uFY4s)

30 #15: Seriously? Pre-positioning for 2016 from the Heritage Foundation?

Are you sure you aren't just wishcasting right there?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at December 06, 2012 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

31 Are we not in Kansas anymore?

I am--low taxes, low unemployment, and snow on the way this weekend!!!

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2012 10:37 AM (Ec6wH)

32 Tim Scott, the nations only black Senator ...


****

I don't like how he likes to hang in the back and see how things go before committing his vote. He did so very publicly earlier this year.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:37 AM (piMMO)

33 Tim Scott .

Posted by: Avi at December 06, 2012 10:38 AM (Gx3Fe)

34 Seriously? Pre-positioning for 2016 from the Heritage Foundation?

****

Prepositioning Gowdy?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:38 AM (piMMO)

35 All the same, you not only lose DeMint but I guess that makes the prospect of of shaking off Lindsey pretty impossible too.

Actually, it may be pretty smart. As I understand it, the Lindsey Graham wing of the Republican Party in SC is pretty powerful- but aligned against Nikki Haley.

So, by allowing Haley to appoint the interim Senator, that Senator gets to run as "the incumbent" (with all the advantages thereof) in 2014. If he'd waited and left at the actual end of his term (he'd promised to term-limit himself, remember), then it would give the Graham wing a better opportunity to take that seat, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:38 AM (5DR1j)

36 Tim Scott for senate

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:38 AM (uFY4s)

37 Drew, I'm actually mostly with you on this one, with the proviso that you can't change the country through elections, it's the elections that follow the state of the nation. Time to start working our own changes. It may take a while, but it can be done--if we quit wasting our energy on political futility.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 10:38 AM (GBXon)

38 Please stop...this isn't how you become President.

I know people love the Palin Plan:

Step 1: Quit your elective office

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Run for President

But it doesn't work that way.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (UfvyB)

39 Good move. From now until the 2016 election, the action will be in the states, especially governorships.

Posted by: mrp at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (HjPtV)

40 We think we took over the GOP, the fact is the GOP just kisses our ass every now and then.


I have never thought that. I have always said here, many many times and was condemned by the damned "moderates", that the damn Rockefeller wing controlled the Party.


I am the point now t where I think all the conservatives should leave the party and watch the e legged stool collapse round to go along to get along assholes head.


And how to fuck do we not do good in elections, we haven't tried to elect a CD conservative President in 40 years.


FK the Republican Party.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (YdQQY)

41 27, we have a deep bench in SC. The double race will ensure Conservatives turn out in huge numbers, I think this dooms Lindsey.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (iy7de)

42 Tim Scott, the only black senator and from the heart of the Confederacy.
Maybe he'll become our first REAL black president.

Posted by: Avi at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (Gx3Fe)

43 To the moronettes
Tim Scott is single

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (uFY4s)

44
This just tells me that there is something bad going on with the Republican Party if he thinks he can do more good with Heritage than as a Senator.

I'm utterly finished with the GOP. The only candidates I might possibly ever consider supporting are the ones they're kicking out of leadership positions.

I guess they got it in there head they can make up for it with hispanic votes by pushing amnesty or something but we'll see. Careful what you ask for, electability types.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (TULs6)

45 Are you sure you aren't just wishcasting right there?

I might be, but consider:

He's already got his legislative experience and conservative bona fides. By moving to lead the Heritage Foundation, he gets to further build his conservative bona fides AND get that ever important (to Republicans) "Executive Experience."

I'm not saying that's what he's doing. I am saying I can see some possibilities there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:40 AM (5DR1j)

46 Didn't he previously announce he wouldn't run for reelection? Why yes he did:

“Yeah,” he said at the time. “It was not a campaign promise; but that is my plan, that the election last year was my last one. It has always been my plan not to serve more than two terms.”

http://www.fitsnews.com/2012/07/19/will-jim-demint-run-again/

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 06, 2012 10:40 AM (ccXZP)

47 The GOP is full of doormats, matadors and swinging doors.

They are not an opposition party, they are a supplication party.

And the party is fucking over.


Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2012 10:40 AM (aZ6ew)

48
Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (piMMO)

I agree, Gowdy to replace Demint Aand Tim Scott to primary Graham.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:40 AM (YdQQY)

49 Drew unlike paling, demint is doing something

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:41 AM (uFY4s)

50 DeMint's not heading for the White House. I think he's figured that's not the way to do what needs to be done.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 10:41 AM (GBXon)

51 I would vote for him. You just need to scratch the R next to his name. I couldn't vote for a Rovian Socialist.

Posted by: Butters at December 06, 2012 10:41 AM (NIZHJ)

52 One doesn't pre-position for an election at Heritage. He's just regular old positioning ... for DOOM.

Think of all the hapless Rs who will be running around all dazed and confused without Progressive State policy to support. They'll need guidance and white papers, but mostly white papers.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 06, 2012 10:41 AM (J4gw3)

53 "This is an urgent time," the senator said, "because we saw in the last
election we were not able to communicate conservative ideas that win
elections.''



That must have been one of those commercials that was not shown in SC. I don't recall Romney communicating a conservative message.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:42 AM (YdQQY)

54 Fox said one SC seat was 2013 and the other is 2014. I don't know.

Posted by: Butters at December 06, 2012 10:42 AM (NIZHJ)

55 We as conservatives should go back to being an intellectual movement and leave the elections to the Republicans. We're not as good at them as we think we are.


We're smart, but we're not smart?

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 10:44 AM (LpQbZ)

56 Actually, it may be pretty smart. As I understand it, the Lindsey Graham
wing of the Republican Party in SC is pretty powerful- but aligned
against Nikki Haley.



The Haley wing took over control of the party in SC in the last meetup of county chairmen.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:44 AM (YdQQY)

57 Please stop...this isn't how you become President.

Two key differences: 1 - DeMint isn't stepping down after less than one term. He's already had one full term in office. 2 - DeMint can't be seen as "running" from "ethics charges." That is, this doesn't look as much like "quitting" as Palin did.

And then there's the difference in what he'll be doing. If he goes out and stars in reality tv shows, and goes on rah-rah tours, then he'll be going down the same path Palin did. That does not, yet, look like the case.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 10:44 AM (5DR1j)

58 I'll say it first... Tim Scott for Senate!

Posted by: Ryan at December 06, 2012 10:44 AM (NC6RD)

59 The WSJ says the special election will be in 2014.

Tim Scott!!! This HAS to happen!

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 10:45 AM (NYnoe)

60 I like de mint after a tryst with my bf Barry.

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 06, 2012 10:45 AM (ypzqs)

61 The fact is conservatives overestimate their popularity.


Then it's time to stand aside and let the children play with matches.
Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 06, 2012 10:46 AM (GFM2b)

62 Guess I wasn't first... my bad. Tim Scott should be on the short list.

Posted by: Ryan at December 06, 2012 10:46 AM (NC6RD)

63

Not incidentally, since he's leaving now he won't be tarnished with the coming Republican fold on Le Cliff and such.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (kdS6q)

64

Curious to hear Mark Levin's take. They are buddies.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (LpQbZ)

65 How strong are the democrats in sough carolina

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (uFY4s)

66 Fox said one SC seat was 2013 and the other is 2014. I don't know.


Posted by: Butters at December 06, 2012 10:42 AM (NIZHJ)

They are wrong. There are no elections in 2013 unless they call a special election and I don't think they do that here.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (YdQQY)

67

He just flipped off Boehner.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (LpQbZ)

68 7 Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (piMMO)

Hell yes.


Oh, and fuck Boehner.

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 10:48 AM (fWAjv)

69 How strong are the democrats in sough carolina

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:47 AM (uFY4s)

Not at all.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:48 AM (YdQQY)

70 I don't recall Romney communicating a conservative message.

Well, I wish DeMint luck. I'd like to see the 'conservative message' delivered, though I don't think 80 million bucks is gonna deliver much bang.

It's kinda interesting to me watch my son morphing from libertarian into conservative, and whereas before I would send him links or videos of the conservative message he sends them to me now. There are people who 'get it' and want what we offer, but get turned off by the lack of message (Romney) or the messenger.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 06, 2012 10:48 AM (feFL6)

71 Would you want to be in the senate while "it's burning?"

Posted by: baldilocks via iPad at December 06, 2012 10:49 AM (Su0W2)

72 Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Gowdy!Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 10:32 AM (piMMO)Holyfuckingshit. If only. Plus he's got great hair ...

Posted by: joanne totally down with let it burn and kulaking at December 06, 2012 10:49 AM (VNFBf)

73 "We as conservatives should go back to being an intellectual movement and
leave the elections to the Republicans. We're not as good at them as we
think we are.
"

Good one. I almost missed the sarcasm. It would be nice to see an election where conservatives were actually part of the process.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 10:49 AM (oi6KG)

74 I know people love the Palin Plan:

Step 1: Quit your elective office

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Run for President



Palin didn't run for POTUS. Incomplete plan.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 10:51 AM (LpQbZ)

75 I'd rather have Gowdy as Speaker

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 10:51 AM (CofEF)

76 Doing my happy dance that DeMint is leaving the Senate too. I know that's not a popular sentiment. Now he will go make the Heritage Foundation irrelevant, but I really don't give a crap about that, it hasn't been relevant since 1982 anyway.

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 10:52 AM (qE3AR)

77 He doesn't want to get caught in the crossfire (metaphorical or otherwise) when the burning actually starts.

Posted by: washington nearsider at December 06, 2012 10:52 AM (fwARV)

78
The fact is conservatives overestimate their popularity. We are far more impressed with ourselves than anyone else is. We think we took over the GOP, the fact is the GOP just kisses our ass every now and then.


____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ _ ____ ____ ___ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _


You've been either reading my comments or my mind, Drew.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 10:52 AM (1Y+hH)

79 Louisiana dem weak or Nebraska dem weak (Neb dem stronger)

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:53 AM (uFY4s)

80 I sure hope DeMint isn't thinking people are any less willingly ignorant than the Democrats are. I think he just doesn't want to be associated with power when the shit hits the fan hard, which he may believe is coming sooner than his next reelection.

Posted by: Aaron at December 06, 2012 10:53 AM (Tlix5)

81 Guys, he's going to Heritage for the Wingnut Welfare. His income is going to skyrocket, and he won't have to spend time and effort fundraising.

The idea that this is a stepping stone to the presidency is laughable.

Posted by: Olaf at December 06, 2012 10:53 AM (t1NLo)

82 Now that Harry Reid has done away with the filibuster, there's really no point to being a senator of a minority party anymore.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (HDgX3)

83 "This just tells me that there is something bad going on with the Republican Party..."

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)

Where have you been?

Our current problems started in 1980, when Bush was pushed on Reagan.

When was the last time you were impressed by anything the party did?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (GsoHv)

84 Please stop...this isn't how you become President.

I know people love the Palin Plan:

Step 1: Quit your elective office

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Run for President

But it doesn't work that way.


Posted by: DrewM. at December 06, 2012 10:39 AM (UfvyB)

You should jot down how it is done and mail the message to the GOP. cc John McCain and Mitt Romney.

Palin did the right thing leaving office in Alaska.

Her plans for future office then and now are unknown.

Posted by: eman at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (ThczH)

85 If Haley appoints a solid conservative then there's still a chance they can wipe out Graham

Posted by: we are so screwed at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (HEa5q)

86 It would be nice to see an election where conservatives were actually part of the process.
Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 10:49 AM (oi6KG)


That's the point. Conservatives don't even win GOP primaries. But were thisclose to winning the House, Senate and the presidency. Or something.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (UfvyB)

87 Olaf, better to be king or kingmaker

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 10:55 AM (CofEF)

88 Rockmom are you a Democrat or just a "moderate" Republican?


Moderate being a liberal in denial.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:55 AM (YdQQY)

89 DeMint was on with Levin a couple nights ago. He was clearly hinting at this at the time, if you listen to that interview.

In moron speak, it sounded to me like he said: "gott dammit, somebody has to actually run as a damn conservative for a change, and with what we're a gonna do is, we're gonna try and make it happen."

He said it more conservative-y and less moron-ish and stuff, though.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 10:56 AM (oi6KG)

90 79 Louisiana dem weak or Nebraska dem weak (Neb dem stronger)

---

Mary Landrieu probably wins in Louisiana if she runs.

Fairly weak bench unless Jindal or the Boustany/Landry loser runs, she has a major fund-raising advantage and a turnout advantage in NOLA thanks to her brother being mayor there, and she has a ton of seniority in the majority party.

The state's pretty red but I think enough people will continue to vote for so-called "Military Mary" to keep her in place.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 06, 2012 10:56 AM (e0xKF)

91 Tim Scott once went to a party in whiteface wearing a poncho and an Indian headress.

And no one was offended.


Tim Scott for Senate!

Posted by: Killah Beeb's Chaperone at December 06, 2012 10:56 AM (+iqDb)

92 When was the last time you were impressed by anything the party did?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (GsoHv)


I am saying major damn bad. Not just Boner and the other shit heals selling us out.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:57 AM (YdQQY)

93 When was the last time you were impressed by anything the party did?




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2012 10:54 AM (GsoHv)

____________________________________________________________
1994ish.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 10:58 AM (HDgX3)

94 Doing my happy dance that DeMint is leaving the Senate too.

dailykos.com is over there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 10:58 AM (/kI1Q)

95
"It would be nice to see an election where conservatives were actually part of the process."

What was 2010? The moderate revolution?

Plus, eman is right. Palin leaving office when she did was the right move.

How many times can Drew be wrong in the same article?

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2012 10:58 AM (ZDsRL)

96 Polite, compliant, and spineless is no way to run a party.

Posted by: Fritz at December 06, 2012 10:59 AM (/ZZCn)

97 He is cashing in, while keeping up appearances. Heritage is a win win.

Posted by: Jack Wagon at December 06, 2012 10:59 AM (KUPae)

98 91 nice

Posted by: alex of school at December 06, 2012 10:59 AM (uFY4s)

99 How many times can Drew be wrong in the same article?
Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2012 10:58 AM (ZDsRL)

Oh, Lord.

Don't thrown down a challenge!

500 quatloos on Gabe!

Posted by: eman at December 06, 2012 11:00 AM (ThczH)

100 Don't hold your breath on Nikki appointing a conservative. She was one of Mittens' earliest supporters.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 11:00 AM (HDgX3)

101
DeMint is not thinking about the Presidency.



Good grief the denial is amazing.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:00 AM (1Y+hH)

102 Heritage is a tax-exempt org., so they won't be getting involved directly in elections. Never have, never will.

Posted by: buzz at December 06, 2012 11:01 AM (i27M5)

103 How many times can Drew be wrong in the same article?

This doesn't even come close to his record.

Honestly, I mostly agree with him on this one- with the exception that he thinks conservatives don't win elections. Maybe not where he comes from, and now with the F'd up primary schedule we have, but TX, OK, SC, and a variety of other States seem to have no problem electing conservatives.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:01 AM (5DR1j)

104 If Gowdy's picked,Gov. Haleywill have toappoint two successors - one for De Mint and one for Gowdy. I like it.

Posted by: joanne totally down with let it burn and kulaking at December 06, 2012 11:01 AM (VNFBf)

105 so what happened between 2010 where we were wound up and won prolifically and now with DeMint leaving?

That it might be impossible to change the belly of the beast from the inside?


Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (nqBYe)

106 DeMint is not thinking about the Presidency.

No, he probably isn't. But it'd be nice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (5DR1j)

107 Is the stronger position to take the empty seat and run as an incumbent or primary Lindsey as an outsider in 2014?

Who has a stronger R district, Gowdy or Scott?

Would the party benefit from with the higher profile, of a cautious, statesman like black Republican or of a firebrand? One gets into play for 2016, the other helps morale now.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (ytax8)

108
DeMint knows it is time to "hunker down" and get ready for what's coming.


Chaos.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (1Y+hH)

109 I don't recall Romney communicating a conservative message.


Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 10:42 AM (YdQQY)


During clips I heard from the first debate, Romney articulated conservative principles better than any presidential candidate since Reagan imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (l9Kos)

110 I don't think DeMint is interested in the presidency. I think he's always been a private sector guy at heart who heeded a call. I think he could be called to serve on a cabinet.

In fact, that may have been his hope for 2013.

Actually, if Haley is planning well, this is a good opportunity to appoint an up-and-comer, a good Senator but bad campaigner. You really need a bare knuckles guy to primary Graham. As unpopular as he is in SC, he's still got lots of tentacles.

Tim Scott sounds interesting but I don't know a ton about him and I'm sure there are others in line. And if he's going to be the only black Senator he has to be tough and quick on his feet. He won't be able to just sit back and do his job, the Democrats will savage them.

Haley just has to make sure not to appoint the frontrunner to unseat Graham.

I'd like to think that DeMint was at least enough of a team player to consult with Haley's allies so that they're all ready for this.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:02 AM (T0NGe)

111 >>Lindsay Graham is also up in 2014, so Demint's leaving probably kills any chance of getting Graham out.

And in what reality is that true?

You think there's a nonexistent bench of strong conservative candidates in South Carolina? Tim Scott, Trey Gowdy, Haley herself? Two of them couldn't possibly run at the same time?

Posted by: Lou at December 06, 2012 11:03 AM (xp1pq)

112 Nearer, My God, To Thee

Posted by: Dance Band on the Titanic at December 06, 2012 11:04 AM (O7Q1u)

113 oh hey just wanted 2 let u guys know deMint started the recession

Posted by: that weird guy who ran against him at December 06, 2012 11:04 AM (MDr17)

114 "What was 2010? The moderate revolution?"

2010 was a typical midterm, but with some renewed confidence, thanks to Palin reminding the conservatives to re-attach their balls, and a shot of courage by Rick Santelli. (Scott Brown winning a freak election helped a lot, too, but I'm never going to accuse him of being a conservative.)

However, once things got Presidential, all the old bullshit came back out, with knobs on.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:04 AM (oi6KG)

115 repost; because it's relevant

Krauthammer's Take: Obama Aiming to Create 'Civil War' in Congress

video


http://www.nationalreview.com/media/video/334949


I would say it is more the GOP creating the war with conservatives...

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:05 AM (LpQbZ)

116 I have a feeling the base of the GOP is as tribal, maleducated, and conditioned to the Progressive State as any Dem voter. I hate to think that but I'm not sure how else to explain the Fraidy Cat vote.

Dependency and authoritarianism are corrosive to individuals and eventually they can undermine any ideology, philosophy, or gut instinct.

There's nothing for DeMint to do besides think, wait, observe, and prepare.

Posted by: runninrebel at December 06, 2012 11:05 AM (J4gw3)

117 Captain that's true about Romney 's conserbvative messaging being better during the first debate. Weird that He went flat after , wonder who told him to tone it down. Or if that was his choice.

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:05 AM (nqBYe)

118 gah i hate typing

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:05 AM (nqBYe)

119 Oy. Here we go again debating if Mitt was conservative enough or not. Dudes, it doesn't matter. The people voted for free shit giving black president who plays basketball and appears on the View and is interviewed by Pimps With Limps. This is the country we live in. You can piss all over Mitt if you want but he was an innocent bystander in this election. Reagan himself would have lost.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (HDgX3)

120 I like the sound of Senator Scott.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (UypUQ)

121 107 Who has a stronger R district, Gowdy or Scott?

Gowdy

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (YjDyJ)

122
Two words:

Tom Cotton!

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (tOkJB)

123 Would the party benefit from with the higher profile, of a cautious,
statesman like black Republican or of a firebrand? One gets into play
for 2016, the other helps morale now.


Well, if that's the assessment, then you appoint Scott because he won't be able to succeed in a primary run against Graham. Graham is too mean and still has a network. You need somebody tough who can inspire Republicans to vote out the incumbent.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (T0NGe)

124 So what if SC has two Conservative Senators?

It takes only a few RINOs to ruin a GOP majority in the Senate.




Posted by: eman at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (ThczH)

125 "Lindsay Graham is also up in 2014, so Demint's leaving probably kills any chance of getting Graham out."

Why? It will remove one potential challenger- whoever Haley appoints- but Graham is still vulnerable.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (uGMBZ)

126 I have not been sanguine about a new conservative party being born, but IF it is to happen, the Heritage Foundation is the bestincubator.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:06 AM (1Y+hH)

127 I like DeMint on many levels, but he also made some really stupid decisions like endorsing dingbat candidates for the Senate like Christine O'Donnell.

It's very easy to be the purist, sitting back and shooting spitballs when you're a Republican Senator from South Carolina and have a seat for life. But that's hardly a recipe for success if you actually want to win elections and govern.

I think the biggest problem with the conservative movement is too many would be just fine in the minority and just want to say "I told you so".

I really don't think DeMint did much for the Conservative movement except derail a few GOP chances. Our biggest problem in the Senate is not RINOs, it's that Democrats control it.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:07 AM (quW+B)

128

ot

THE Syrian military has loaded precursor chemicals for the deadly nerve gas sarin into aerial bombs and is awaiting final orders from Bashar al-Assad, according to US officials.


The problem with this, other than the obvious, is that they may not wait for a /nod from Assad.

These are primitive people, with primitive knee-jerk reactions.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:07 AM (LpQbZ)

129 The bench in SC: Scott, Gowdy, Haley, Joe "You Lie" Wilson, Barrett, McMaster, any number of retired generals and admirals, ...

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:08 AM (ytax8)

130 I dunno, if this keeps Senor Grahamnesty in I am less than thrilled.

Of course, it may just be trivia.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 06, 2012 11:08 AM (LRFds)

131 Wouldn't I look better over there?

Posted by: Deck Chairs at December 06, 2012 11:08 AM (O7Q1u)

132 Christine O'Donnell


Meh.

O'Donnell > Obama
O'Donnell > Pelosi
O'Donnell > Reid
O'Donnell > Holder
O'Donnell > Boehner
O'Donnell > the GOP

I've had it.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 06, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

133 Tim Scott, the nations only black Senator ...

He was my firstthought, until I saw the "Gowdy" cheer. Scott is a great conservative, but Gowdy is a bulldog. If the S.C. TEA Party gets behind Tim Scott, I don't see why he couldn't beat Lady Linseed.

Posted by: RushBabe at December 06, 2012 11:10 AM (tQHzJ)

134 There's a whiff of something in the air, that's for sure, but there's not enough tea leaves to read the trends yet.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 11:10 AM (GBXon)

135 Olaf, better to be king or kingmaker?
I prefer dogfucker. Dogfucker General.

Posted by: Oloaf at December 06, 2012 11:10 AM (jPVBi)

136 I do have to agree with the assessment that DeMint has been less-than-effective, at least from what I can see. I think Rand Paul (who I would really like if it weren't for the support he gives his dad) has been much more effective. This surprises me because I expected a Ron clone who would just sit back with a "Don't blame me, I voted for Frank Zappa" attitude.

Rand is not afraid to be bold while keeping the crazy in check.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:10 AM (T0NGe)

137 well C .O'Donell Perhps wasn't a wise choice But Look at all the Wins re 2010.

Why are those forgotten?

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:11 AM (nqBYe)

138 Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:07 AM (quW+B)


You are absolutely full of Obama shit, not just regular shit.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:12 AM (YdQQY)

139 BTW, there is no "the GOP". None. Sorry.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:12 AM (T0NGe)

140 136 AmishDude,
Rand taking part in Operation Kick Mitt coupled with Dreams of his daddy tells me he'd be better looking unemployed perhaps.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 06, 2012 11:12 AM (LRFds)

141 the whiff might be the gop deciding to truly be bi-partisan as Boehner indicated after the Oboma win.

i had forgotten if He actually said That it was a mandate of what voters wanted from govt.

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:13 AM (nqBYe)

142
Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:07 AM (quW+B)



Slow learners, these people.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:14 AM (1Y+hH)

143 Rand taking part in Operation Kick Mitt coupled with Dreams of his daddy tells me he'd be better looking unemployed perhaps.

Yeah, that crap at the convention really pissed me off. "Give me another barrel, just a little more vinegar and everybody will be libertarian!" But the fact is that Rand would introduce, say, a progressive, confiscatory tax on lawyers (oh, God, why don't they do that, it's so simple) but DeMint never would.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:15 AM (T0NGe)

144 Back to the old circular argument....if you have a GOP majority but 5 or 6 of them vote with the Rats when the chip are down, do you really have a majority?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 06, 2012 11:15 AM (YmPwQ)

145 I tend to agree with Drew in principle, but as a tactical matter, this is not good for conservatives. DeMint was limited when he had a small team of a few players. But his voting block is getting some reinforcements with Ted Cruz this summer, who has the potential to be very influential. Conservatives don't need a majority of republicans, but we need some critical mass to make sure our voices are heard. Politically speaking a group of 10 strong conservative republicans would actually have a lot of power, because the GOP could do nothing without them.

In the end, what good is the movement if we don't have a party in which to enact policy.

Posted by: SH at December 06, 2012 11:15 AM (gmeXX)

146 I'm interpreting this as "the shit is about to hit the fan and DeMint doesn't want to get splattered with it" but I'm just a Moron.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at December 06, 2012 11:15 AM (ZWvOb)

147 And the hits just keep on coming.
Well at least SC is a pretty secure seat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 11:15 AM (79ueO)

148 Drew:

I seriously disagree with this statement:

"The fact is conservatives overestimate their popularity."

Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

Jim DeMint is A HUGE FUCKING LOSS. I'm not sure what the implications are of this, but he will be sorely sorely missed. We cannot lose true blue conservatives in the Senate if we are to avoid all this bullshit UN nonsense and confirmation fuckups.

Not sure what to think about this.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:16 AM (tVTLU)

149 He was my firstthought, until I saw the "Gowdy" cheer. Scott is a great
conservative, but Gowdy is a bulldog. If the S.C. TEA Party gets behind
Tim Scott, I don't see why he couldn't beat Lady Linseed.


Then Gowdy should run against Graham. Sounds like he's exactly the guy who can inspire a groundswell.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:16 AM (T0NGe)

150 Nominate Tim Scott... drive the leftists ape-crazy.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (QXlbZ)

151 You are absolutely full of Obama shit, not just regular shit.
Posted by: Vic

Tell me, what has DeMint really accomplished in terms of legislation? He's been in the majority for most of his career, and supposedly the biggest accomplishment was not supporting "No Child Left Behind"

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (quW+B)

152 Allen West MOVE TO SOUTH CAROLINA NOW!


Posted by: Iblis at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (U0ndG)

153 I completely disagree with Drew on this, i believe seals it for Lindsey. Lindsey needed a low turnout, machine election in 2014 - not a high turnout fracas. Lindsey's best hope was for a Mitt win, then a calm midterm. DeMint just made 2014 SC a landmark election, you could have primaries for: Scott's seat, deMints, Lindsey's seat, Gowdy's seat, maybe Governor.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (hjRtO)

154 Back to the old circular argument....if you have a GOP majority but 5 or
6 of them vote with the Rats when the chip are down, do you really have
a majority?


I'll take it and so would every party in a coalition Parliament in Europe.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (T0NGe)

155 GOP Source Says Tim Scott “Undisputed Favorite” To Replace DeMint…

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 11:18 AM (79ueO)

156 Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

Right. Clearly more than half the voters are political conservatives. Just look at the conservatives they elected in the Senate and President a month ago.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (SY2Kh)

157 More of the country identifies itself as conservative.
--
Conservative in name only.

CINOs, or CHINOS if of Asian origin.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (eEfYn)

158 Now that I think about it, Levin probably knew about DeMint's situation before he interviewed him.

DeMint could end up waking up the Heritage Foundation, which has been snoozing ever since Reagan's first term, really. I guess it's really down to Haley to do the right thing. If she screws this up, it's time to start in with sandbags and keeping all of you off my lawn.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (oi6KG)

159 And yes Ed Anger, Tom Cotton will be joining the Senate in 2014!!!

Just from Arkansas, not SC. And he will be picking off a Demorat when he does it. imho.

I'm apprehensive about this though, DeMint was the LEADER in the Senate. Anyone with further thoughts on this? Perhaps he can do better at Heritage but I feel a little emptier without his stalwart leadership in the Senate.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:19 AM (tVTLU)

160 I "think" (been told to use that term advisedly) Nikki is one of the most bangable govs in the country, so I support her 100%!

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 11:20 AM (yWDpP)

161 Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative.

There's how you identify, and then there's how you behave, in and out of the voting booth.

Based on what happened a month ago, Drew may have a point.

I'll take it and so would every party in a coalition Parliament in Europe.

Having seen how Europe's doing, that may be part of their problem...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 11:20 AM (GBXon)

162 Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:17 AM (quW+B)


I ain't chur damn internet go to research lackey. I have followed his entire career from beginning until now. He has participated in a LOT of conservative bills. The fact is Republican have not had 60 votes in the Senate for over 100 years so few conservative things get passed.


But a LOT of commie things get blocked until one of those damn "moderates" crosses the aisle to end the 60 vote block.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:20 AM (YdQQY)

163 Posted by: MoeRon

The Style Guide requires such posts to include Will Folks and 'sacred honor' gags.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (GBXon)

164
"More of the country identifies itself as conservative."


Meaningless. I've had girlfriends like that too. What they say and what they do are two different things.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:21 AM (1Y+hH)

165 I completely disagree with Drew on this, i believe seals it for Lindsey.
Lindsey needed a low turnout, machine election in 2014 - not a high
turnout fracas.


Interesting. I would have to believe Graham's campaign consultants are thinking that things would be harder now even though one potential challenger would be taken off the table.

The other thing is that Graham was probably hoping to have a three-way primary. Two or more conservatives and him (and a bunch of wannabes who will get zero votes). That's still possible, but less likely that two popular well-established conservatives who stand a chance will be available.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:22 AM (T0NGe)

166 DeMint looked Asian to me.

Posted by: Sharron Angle at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (r2PLg)

167
Bummer about DeMint, hopefully he will make a run for prez.

That said, I can see not wanting to be part of the fed govt when it collapses.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (n/ubI)

168 Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:14 AM (1Y+hH)

But cute.

If McAdams wants to hang around here it's okay by me.

http://tinyurl.com/alau92b

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (GsoHv)

169
139"BTW, there is no "the GOP". None. Sorry."

I would argue that there is a "the GOP", and that the Heritage Foundation is a part of it. DeMint's move signals a concession on the part of the beltway establishment to the conservative donor base that supports Heritage.

All in all, this is a good thing for conservatives. DeMint can institute a mini-purge of RINOs at the foundation, use the resources to supply sitting politicians and prospective candidates with solid research and talking points, get the right people out in the media to sell conservative viewpoints and give conservative donors guidance on where their money would be most effective.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2012 11:23 AM (ZDsRL)

170 Does SC have an open or "closed" primary election?

Posted by: mrp at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (HjPtV)

171 >Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative. Thank you Ronald Reagan.



Sure. Except they don't vote that way on Election Day.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (8sCoq)

172 DeMint could end up waking up the Heritage Foundation, which has been snoozing ever since Reagan's first term, really.

In recent years, they've gone full wonk. You can find all the best statistical stuff there. Just amazing, but not soundbyte-y I think they woke up after they started advertising on Rush.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (T0NGe)

173 "In light of the direction of the country, I think conservatives need to
reclaim their own identity and seperate themselves from Republicans."
Late to the thread, as usual, but my two cents is that we "do" have to separate, in order to have an identity, for the rebuilding process to come.
It's a "Long March" for Conservatism, whatever happens. The symbol of Conservatism, now and for the future, should be the Phoenix.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 11:24 AM (BoE3Z)

174 Forgot the Mick too, Mick Mulvaney

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (hjRtO)

175 Hollowpoint:

Romney was no conservative. There is so much wrong about the GOP it's ridiculous.

But core principles and ideas are not our problem. Here's my list of GOP fuckups:

1) inability to deal with, and neutralize, the dem media a/k/a the MSM
2) bad candidates (no more richie rich's from the northfuckingeast)
3) true conservatives - again goes to "bad" candidates
4) no more weirdo religions a/k/a Mormonism
5) horrible GOTV effort, I mean fucking deplorable
6) inability to fight, and I mean fucking streetfight
7) unwillingness to directly challenge and keep challenging dem ideas. First debate was great, but the other two I had myself wondering what is the fucking difference between the two. Think about this, second debate first question was a Godsend about Chu, the energy secretary. Do you know that guy stated that it was THE FUCKING GOAL to get our gas prices up to Europe, or $9-10/gal. How did he not jump all over that question.... Instead he goes on about drilling and permits and bullshit.
unable to negotiate, unwilling to take chances based on core beliefs, and very very very poor messaging.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (tVTLU)

176 Meaningless. I've had girlfriends like that too. What they say and what they do are two different things.

Not meaningless. Between the two major parties, nearly 4 million fewer votes were cast in 2012 than in 2008. That's even more sharply down when you consider population growth.

Had turnout even remained constant, we'd probably be talking about President Elect Romney right now.

The problem with most of the country being conservative is that part of being conservative is keeping your head down and just doing what you do. That's why Republicans tend (but only tend) to win high turnout elections- because those people who weren't bothering to vote in low turnout elections would mostly vote R.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (5DR1j)

177 SC primaries are open by State law. The GOP has sues in every election for the last 30 years and lost.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (YdQQY)

178 I mean, if Ted Kennedy left the Senate to go head up MoveOn.org, we'd justifiably mock it. That's basically the equivalent of what Demint is doing.

We didn't lose this last election because the wrong person was in charge of the Heritage Foundation.


Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (quW+B)

179 2 words, Alvin Fucking Greene.

Posted by: Jose Biden at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (vYB+W)

180 #76 Again, I find that you and I are on the same page, rockmom.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 06, 2012 11:27 AM (GoIUi)

181 Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

__________________________

The polls say it's something like 40-20-40 con-lib-moderate.

But in reality it's more like 40-60 con/lib since the 40% that calls itself moderate is really liberals who either are afraid to say they're liberal or don't understand what liberal means. Think about any issue and how it's portrayed in the MFM. The "moderate" position is the defacto liberal position. In any MFM news story there's the "moderate" position and the "right wing" position. There is never a liberal position. So people think to themselves, I'm not right wing, thereore I must be a moderate. Rinse and repeat for 30 years of watching Dan Rather or Katie Couric and voila, you're a moderate who happens to vote for Obama, Reid, Pelosi, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (HDgX3)

182 he symbol of Conservatism, now and for the future, should be the Phoenix.
---
Aye captain, but I don't think she is going to make it.

[link to grouchoreviews]

Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (eEfYn)

183 2 words, Alvin Fucking Greene.


Posted by: Jose Biden at December 06, 2012 11:26 AM (vYB+W)

Someone asked earlier if the Dems were strong in SC. He is representative of the Dems here.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)

184
Republicrats, can no one deliver me from these people?


They have conspired to destroy the fiscal foundation of America, and people still sit around saying we must go along with them.


The GOPe must burn down just likethe rest of the current power structure.DeMint knows, he's getting out of the way of the fire.


Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (1Y+hH)

185 173 - I've been surprised how quickly you can addict the general population to a life of mediocrity in exchange for a monthly check. The country is mainlining federal dollars. Short of economic upheaval followed by devastation, the conservative philosophy will never be accepted again by a majority of the electorate.

Maybe I should get back on my antidepressants, but that's what I think Besides, as long as I've got a pocket full of Levitra, my depression comes and goes, shall we say, in spurts.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (yWDpP)

186 DeMint can institute
a mini-purge of RINOs at the foundation, use the resources to supply
sitting politicians and prospective candidates with solid research and
talking points, get the right people out in the media to sell
conservative viewpoints and give conservative donors guidance on where
their money would be most effective.


DeMint's been positioning himself as a behind-the-scenes kingmaker for a while. He might take Heritage, who has good resources, and focus them more.

I like to think of the think tanks as a restaurant supply company. They don't make or serve the food, but they make the restaurant run.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (T0NGe)

187 :::156 Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

Right. Clearly more than half the voters are political conservatives. Just look at the conservatives they elected in the Senate and President a month ago.::::

They did? You mean it was all just a bad dream?!

WE'RE SAVED! WE'RE SA-

Oh. Sarcasm. Not cool, Hollowpoint.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 06, 2012 11:28 AM (APmL9)

188 "In the end, what good is the movement if we don't have a party in which to enact policy."
The beltway GOP has been counting on this sentiment since 1988. I'm done. Let the GOP figure out "what good is a party if we have no principled base to back us."
F--k Washington Republicans. DeMint was never one of them.


Posted by: Sam In VA at December 06, 2012 11:29 AM (rFiOs)

189 Mcadams, Conservatives are supposed to like term limits. He gets out while there I time to ensure his replacement is solid.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (hjRtO)

190 Time for me to take a break. I have had enough.

Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (YdQQY)

191 Here's the kicker: What do "you" do with Socons? Give them the GOP or welcome them into the "conservative" party?

Posted by: Fritz at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (/ZZCn)

192 I think he's just sick of the bullshit.

The GOP is a folded tent.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (g2ldK)

193 Mr. Moo Moo,
I tend to agree and disagree there. I'm sure a lot are in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking checkbook, strong defense and get the government out of our fucking lives.

That still is a winning message.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (tVTLU)

194 We didn't lose this last election because the wrong person was in charge of the Heritage Foundation.

I wonder if the Heritage Foundation will now push for more conservatives in the Senate? D'oh!

Posted by: t-bird at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (FcR7P)

195 Ingraham retires. House conservatives removed from positions of power. DeMint retires.

These are bells ringing

Are you listening?

More to head for the exits soon.

Get prepared. The Fascist States of America is here and now.

Posted by: Snuph at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (eNXVL)

196 191
Here's the kicker: What do "you" do with Socons? Give them the GOP or welcome them into the "conservative" party?


Posted by: Fritz at December 06, 2012 11:30 AM (/ZZCn)
One thing "they" might try is not blame them every time a fucking election goes sour.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (BoE3Z)

197 Nikki Haley will appoint someone who will easily win in 2014. DeMint then mounts a primary challenge against the effiminate Mr Graham.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theorist at December 06, 2012 11:32 AM (vYB+W)

198 I will agitate and boycott SC unless Alvin Greene, Will Folkes or Larry Marchant are appointed to fill DeMint's seat.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (Zd/NW)

199 Scoop added this to the story:

"Let me remind you that in 2010 Jim DeMint told Sean Hannity this:

I don’t want to be in Washington another six years and watch the Republican party betray the trust of the American people again. I mean, we had the White House. We had a majority in the House and the Senate. We voted for more spending and more earmarks. Most of our senior members seem to be focused on taking home the bacon. I’m not going to be in a Republican party like that and that’s not what the Republican Party is across America.

This is interesting in light of how Republicans are running the House right now, especially with regard to the fiscal cliff negotiations. In fact DeMint has recently spoken out against any more to raise taxes on the top 2% by Republicans. Now I’m not suggesting he is just following through on a sentiment he expressed 2 years ago. I mean, a lot has happened since then. But I’d still bet his discontentment with the current Republican Party is playing a role in his departure
"

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Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (oi6KG)

200 191 Here's the kicker: What do "you" do with Socons? Give them the GOP or welcome them into the "conservative" party?


The new party should have the old party's platform, but a willingness to fight.

Our problem is nobody fights for us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (g2ldK)

201 197:

I like it!!!! Wow would that be an uproar.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (tVTLU)

202 197: Ok. Enough of the innuendo. His Graham a dick smoker or not?

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (yWDpP)

203 George Will once said that Americans are ideologically conservative and operationally liberal.

Think of defunding PBS. If you discuss it, you get some conservatives who say how awesome PBS is. Isn't Nova great? What about the latest Ken Burns documentary? Isn't it wonderful? I don't know what it is because he burned out after Baseball (or The Color Barrier and The Reserve Clause) but it should be awesome.

There's never a price for liberalism. It always comes for free.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (T0NGe)

204 >Conservatives are supposed to like term limits.



And my aunt was supposed to have balls and be my uncle.

Term limits will never become law. Getting elected to the US Congress is like getting an open-ended ticket on the Gravy Train. Can you imagine any politician who would vote to give that up? Me neither.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (8sCoq)

205 75 I'd rather have Gowdy as Speaker


.....
I'd love to have a Speaker Gowdy, but don't see it happening.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 11:34 AM (0QIRa)

206 Lights out, Boeing creates the first working EMP bomb Reported by Jack Taylor on Tuesday, December 4 2012 10:05 am
It’s official now – Boeing and the US Air Force have successfully demonstrated a working electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) device over a military compound in the Utah desert. A spokesperson for Boeing stated, "Today we turned science fiction into science fact.”


Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 06, 2012 11:36 AM (79ueO)

207

Nobody on the Right fights at all.

We're a bunch of jerkoffs still waiting for a miracle or others to save the day.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (9fkPX)

208 Alright morons. Who's claiming this hobo?

KOKOMO -
Police say a homeless man found decomposing in a basement freezer in central Indiana had been drinking, doing drugs and having sex with the man now suspected in his death.

Court documents say 52-year-old Walter Logan told police that he and Alex Shipp ending up fighting at his home in Kokomo, 50 miles north of Indianapolis. Logan told police that he placed duct tape over the 29-year-old man's nose and mouth then fell asleep.

Police say Logan later hid Shipp's body in a freezer that doesn't work.

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (fWAjv)

209
With DeMint at Heritage, conservatives are in a better position to take over the RNC.

They both are dependent on donors, although Heritage is far more concentrated and easily taken over. Once the RNC is in conservative hands, things could change quickly for the better.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (ZDsRL)

210 >That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking checkbook,
strong defense and get the government out of our fucking lives.



That still is a winning message.



when did it last win?

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (8sCoq)

211 "More of the country identifies itself as conservative."

Not if you ask them "are you a conservative?" They say "fuck no!"

If you ask them about ideas, they like some of the ideas. Not the ones about encouraging young people to seek employment instead of begging for free condoms, of course. And they also think Obama is conservative because he talked on Oprah once about being a beard husband and punished with babies father.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (/kI1Q)

212 149 He was my firstthought, until I saw the "Gowdy" cheer. Scott is a great
conservative, but Gowdy is a bulldog. If the S.C. TEA Party gets behind
Tim Scott, I don't see why he couldn't beat Lady Linseed.

Then Gowdy should run against Graham. Sounds like he's exactly the guy who can inspire a groundswell.


......

But will the kind of people who elect a Graham elect a bulldog, or someone more genteel, such as Scott?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (0QIRa)

213 Good idea. Put DeMint in DeMouth. We could use a little breath-freshener

Posted by: Cricket at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (DrC22)

214 Miss Lindsay could still fall to a Conservative in the primary.

Posted by: Al at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (V70Uh)

215 So, Haley appoints Tim Scott Senator in 2013. He then runs for President in 2016, wins the GOP nomination, and goes on to become the second black man to prevent Hillary from becoming president.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (uGMBZ)

216 Ingraham retires.

No. From her website:
Seriously--to the more than 300 stations that carry the Laura Ingraham
Show and to all my loyal listeners, I feel the time is right to expand
and retool my radio program and to explore other syndication options,
which I am now actively pursuing.


I.e., she's looking for a better deal, either from Premiere or possibly Salem. She probably already has one and may have to sit out for a few months to satisfy her old contract.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (T0NGe)

217 "We're not as good at them as we think we are."
Who is this we? Got a mouse in your pocket?
Oh right, because Mitt Romney was so severly conservative.
Losing would be ok, if we actually run as conservatives. Beingright is never a guarantee of electoral success.
DeMint's problem wasn't that he ranas a conservative,won as one, orbehaved as one. It was the constantly getting hamstrung by the other Republicans.
The same ones who tell USto stick to being an intellectual movement.
As if they had any clue what that meant.

Posted by: ThomasD at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (UK5R1)

218 "In light of the direction of the country, I think conservatives need to reclaim their own identity and seperate themselves from Republicans."
I don't understand thelogic behindthe schism, frankly. What you're essentially advocating is balkanizing the political right, fragmenting it into ineffectual little fringe groups:SoCons here, FiCons there, libertarians somewhere out yonder, none of whom, by themselves, is capable of fighting Leviathan and confronting a Marxist socialist takeover of the United States. And that 'intellectual movement' line of yours, Drew? What, you and a few like-minded pals sit around, thinking conservative thoughts, maybe write an occasional article in an increasingly obscure segment of the political spectrum? No, thanks.

We hang together or we hang separately.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (vtiE6)

219
DeMint is just another brick in the wall and his words and his actions, along with other signs,tell me I was right to make the preparations I have made.


Damn I feel bad for young people. They have voted away their future, traded it for serfdom. Not due to being obtuse, but due to being improperly educated.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (1Y+hH)

220 #208 - I have it from very reliable sources that Harry Reid's DNA is all over the crime scene and that he's been hanging out in Kokomo, Indiana.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (yWDpP)

221 177
SC primaries are open by State law. The GOP has sues in every election for the last 30 years and lost.


Posted by: Vic at December 06, 2012 11:25 AM (YdQQY)

Most of the southern states have open primaries because up until 30-40 years ago the Democrat primary was the de facto election in state and local elections.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (Zd/NW)

222 Bevel:

Absofuckinglutely. It's like a bunch of nancies have taken over the GOP.

The response to Obama's fiscal cliff "offer" should have been simple.

Thank you for your proposal. Unfortunately, not only is it ridiculous in that you propose more spending, but it is blatantly unconstitutional. We do not even have the power to abrogate our rights over spending and the fact that you would ask us to do so is shocking.

In the interest of compromise we have agreed to put more revenue on the table. We await to hear your proposal for cutting the budget and bringing us to a balanced, sustainable budget. In 2008, you called $9T in debt "irresponsible" and a "failure of leadership." We now have $16T in debt under your leadership.

We look forward to any realistic proposal, but time is drawing short.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (tVTLU)

223 "SC primaries are open by State law. The GOP has sues in every election for the last 30 years and lost."

Thanks, Vic.

Posted by: mrp at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (HjPtV)

224 When I was living in SC , I helped make campaign phone calls for DeMint .... I am sad that we will not have him in the senate but I am hopeful that he can do some great work at Heritage .....And Go Tim Scott Go !!!!!!!

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at December 06, 2012 11:39 AM (2yCnl)

225 Dick Morris lost this election. For weeks he predicted a 6-7 point landslide for Romney. Hell, I even considered not voting. And the Ronulans sitting at home butt hurt because their Applewhite leader wasn't given enough of a spotlight at the convention probably hurt too.
I was a Perry guy, but grew to like Romney a lot by the end. The takers spoke. Now LIB.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at December 06, 2012 11:40 AM (UU0OF)

226 and get the government out of our fucking lives.


You say "government should lets us live free" people hear "you want to throw me out onto the street to starve to death."

Americans--and I'm not singling out a race or age group because it's a majority in all groups--make Greeks look ambitious.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:40 AM (/kI1Q)

227 But will the kind of people who elect a Graham elect a bulldog, or someone more genteel, such as Scott?

If you want genteel, vote for the genteel you know.

If you think that Graham is bad, you provide a contrast -- a stark one.

If it's true that Scott will be the nominee, I think that's an excellent choice.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (T0NGe)

228 Damn I feel bad for young people. They have voted
away their future, traded it for serfdom. Not due to being obtuse, but
due to being improperly educated.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:38 AM (1Y+hH)
So, you're saying all of the youth should be named Esau? Sorry, I'm just SoCon blathering here. Never mind.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 11:41 AM (BoE3Z)

229 Tim Scott will never make it. He probably tried to stick his tongue in his date's mouth back when he was a junior in high school, his date will be on tv talking about sexual harassment , and Gloria Allred will give a press conference. He's screwed.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (yWDpP)

230 when did it last win?

I dunno. When was the last time it ran? 2010? 1984?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (5DR1j)

231 "The fact is conservatives overestimate their popularity."

Bullshit. More of the country identifies itself as conservative.

Who knew teh JEF was conservative?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at December 06, 2012 11:42 AM (GFM2b)

232 If you think that Graham is bad, you provide a contrast -- a stark one.

Conflict. Make people *want* to pick a side.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:43 AM (5DR1j)

233
The USA is aconservative country.


The USA just reelected Barack Obama.


Hoo boy.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (1Y+hH)

234 Tim Scott will never make it. He probably tried to stick his tongue in
his date's mouth back when he was a junior in high school, his date will
be on tv talking about sexual harassment , and Gloria Allred will give a
press conference. He's screwed.


That's the beauty of an appointment. When he runs, it's as an incumbent.

You are right, though, the Left savaged Allen West and targeted Mia Love for destruction.

They will take the long way, though. They will try to beclown him at every chance they get. Every ill-chosen word, every stutter will be grist for their racist mill.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (T0NGe)

235 It is always a shame when we lose a Conservationist of the Constitution from the Senate. We the Conservatives have become the Conservationist of the Constitution of the United States.

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:44 AM (Q8Pu5)

236 The USA is a Fascist country.

And that's what the majority of people living here want.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)

237 >>>>That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking checkbook,
strong defense and get the government out of our fucking lives.

That still is a winning message.



>>>>when did it last win?
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:37 AM (8sCoq)

Heh. Good point.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (AsY5D)

238

Nobody on twitter or tweetfaceis trying organize rallies. Nobody is saying hey a bunch of us should go down to our state houses and march agaianst tyranny.

Oh we have jobs.

Oh the media will ignore us.

Oh it's almost Christmas and I'm busy.

Oh I can't go because I might miss Drudges latest headline.

None of us want to do anything. And it doesn't occur to anyone that Republicans interpret our silence as apathy or even worse, tacit approval.

Republicans aren't mind readers. Maybe they don't know what we want them to do because none of take a minute and tell them.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (QI6D6)

239 199

This is interesting in light of how
Republicans are running the House right now, especially with regard to
the fiscal cliff negotiations. In fact DeMint has recently spoken out
against any more to raise taxes on the top 2% by Republicans. Now I’m
not suggesting he is just following through on a sentiment he expressed 2
years ago. I mean, a lot has happened since then. But I’d still bet his
discontentment with the current Republican Party is playing a role in
his departure"

[ here --> http://tinyurl.com/adlsrus ]


Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:33 AM (oi6KG)

More likely he sees that he will be in the minority until at least 2016. The only thing these guys hate more than not being in Congress is to be in the minority in Congress.
In other words, no power is worse than almost no power.

Posted by: MrCaniac at December 06, 2012 11:46 AM (Zd/NW)

240 Conflict. Make people *want* to pick a side.

Exactly. When there's something at stake, people turn out.

I have no doubt that Lindsay will go after Democrats to vote in the primary now and blatantly. I have a feeling that in SC that will turn off a lot of his lukewarm but-he's-the-incumbent-so-he-has-the-best-chance supporters.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:47 AM (T0NGe)

241 The USA is a Fascist country.

And that's what the majority of people living here want.



But at least the high-speed trains to nowhere will run on time, right?

Posted by: Vizzini at December 06, 2012 11:47 AM (O7Q1u)

242 My gut instinct on this is that DeMint is cashing out. As Senator in the minority party, what could he hope to accomplish?

The sad fact is that the isle-crossing moderates do have more influence. Not because OMG RINO Establishment, but because they're the ones who provide the Dem majority with the 60th vote.

All that conservatives such as DeMint can do is threaten not to support a filibuster, but that would just help the Dems get their way.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 11:47 AM (SY2Kh)

243 @236 Thats' not the Majority.. Thats open borders' and a dose of Affirmative action the Liberals penicillin for the demise of the Conservative.

Posted by: Clemenza at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (Q8Pu5)

244 >>>>That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking checkbook,

strong defense and get the government out of our fucking lives.



That still is a winning message.







>>>>when did it last win?

---

Last election was free shit v. work and free shit won.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (Hx5uv)

245 The USA is aconservative country.
The USA just reelected Barack Obama.


I really don't think it's that easy. Sure, those of us who are engaged were excited, but how many people just. didn't. care?

For instance- in my own family (which is not overly political, and I try not to talk politics with them, so I didn't notice at the time) very few really cared about Romney at all. They still viewed their vote as one *against* Obama.

I thought the Democrats proved in 2004 that trying to get people simply to vote *against* someone didn't really work.

If the 2016 elections are even an issue (an open question at this point), the Republican party has to give people a reason to root for them, not just against the Democrats.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (5DR1j)

246 So, I'm presuming that the circular firing squad is well underway, thus I'm just gonna start talking movies.


I cannot believe the 7 Up series is now at 56 Up. Holy crap does that show how time flies.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Will spare the calming manatees at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

247 236
The USA is a Fascist country.

And that's what the majority of people living here want.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)
This. It started with FDR, the track to full-tilt fascism has been on again, off again since then. We can't fight it because we can't frame the argument. "They always do that". Defeating Fascism always requires bloodshed.

Posted by: tubal at December 06, 2012 11:48 AM (BoE3Z)

248 The USA is a Fascist country.

And that's what the majority of people living here want.


Not really. We are a country with different kinds of fascists who hobbled themselves into a temporary coalition around one man.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (T0NGe)

249 227 But will the kind of people who elect a Graham elect a bulldog, or someone more genteel, such as Scott?

If you want genteel, vote for the genteel you know.

If you think that Graham is bad, you provide a contrast -- a stark one.

If it's true that Scott will be the nominee, I think that's an excellent choice.

....

Good argument for a Scott appointment and a Gowdy run. BUT jeez! What if Gowdy lost and were out of office altogether?! I'd much rather KNOW that Gowdy is in place somewhere. He's safe where he's at, but I'd like to see him do more.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 11:49 AM (0QIRa)

250 testes

Posted by: garrett at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (m3ndV)

251 JonesinCO:

Did we all just forget about the most historic election in our times for the GOP, 2010. It worked TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO.

That was a bigger landslide than 1994. We get so worked up about the LIB nonsense that we forget that all is not lost, not by a longshot.

Imagine if Romney had been beaten by 20 fucking points as Reagan did to Mondale. Seriously, we are getting way way way ahead of ourselves with this "all is lost" bullshit.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (tVTLU)

252 I'd much rather KNOW that Gowdy is in place somewhere. He's safe where he's at, but I'd like to see him do more.

You gotta take some risks.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (T0NGe)

253 Maybe we can get that Lakoff clown to school conservatives in what language to use to get the dumbfucks onto the limited government bandwagon.

Lord knows what we're doing now isn't working.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (AsY5D)

254 It's time to slutdrop the GOPe.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (1Y+hH)

255 There's definitely a majority in this country against "Big Government", Obama's economic vision is not one that resonates (except for the people on the dole)

The problem is the GOP seems to be the "Ned Flanders Party" to most outsiders. Some of this is obviously the media, but a lot of this is our own damn fault with the dingbats we've nominated over the last few years.

The problem with a 3rd Party is nobody can agree what's wrong with the GOP. The SoCons want to turn the dial up on the Culture War and the FiCons want to dump the SoCons.

My vision of the GOP would be something like Rudy Giuliani, a form of conservatism that can sell even in the bluest parts of the country. I also liked his fighting style, he was moderate on hot button social issues, but yet still had no problem taking on the media or eviscerating his opponents.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (quW+B)

256 Hold it. Flag on the play.

I thought a conservative was not allowed to resign and become a private citizen before their term was complete. I thought that any conservative who did so was a quitter, a loser, a trickster, out for the money, etc., etc.

So, resigning mid-term to earn big money as the figurehead of a beltway think tank that hasn't ever elected anybody is acceptable. But, it is not ok to resign and start your own PAC to support conservative candidates, campaign for and help elect conservative candidates, go on TV and the lecture circuit to campaign for conservative ideas. Got it.

Well DeMint is not a woman, so he's got that going for him.

For those of you in Hoboken, yes. This is an uncalled for swipe at those Northeast liberal Republicans who never pass up an opportunity to take cheap shots at Palin.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 06, 2012 11:51 AM (3xuEM)

257 Oh. Sarcasm. Not cool, Hollowpoint.

You just summed up my entire High School existence. Thanks for bringing up the painful memories, jerkpants.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 11:52 AM (SY2Kh)

258 Feel the liberal love:

hippie1367 • 12 minutes ago −
Yeah just what SC needs, a House Ni%^&R in the senate. What a self hating piece of christian filth scott is.

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (fWAjv)

259 almost all of the republicans in the northeast are democrats anywhere else

Posted by: Alex, regionalist at December 06, 2012 11:53 AM (uFY4s)

260 Not really. We are a country with different kinds of fascists who hobbled themselves into a temporary coalition around one man.

That one man and his coalition have been nationalizing industries (through outright grabs and crippling regulations), crushing churches, telling us what to eat and where we can go...

Tell me how that's different at the end of the day from plain old Fascism.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (/kI1Q)

261 I bought Evan Sayet's short book (actually, more of a pre-book) KinderGarden of Eden yesterday. It does provide an explanation of why not only Obama but also a number of drooling idiots such as Lie-awatha won. Everything we value, truth, intellect, morality, they despise. Being a lying, stupid scrunt didn't hurt Warren; that's what they want.

I haven't finished but I don't think he provides any answers on how to change this. My five day forecast is: screwed, screwed, screwed, screwed, and screwed.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (Hx5uv)

262 That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking checkbook, strong defense and get the government out of our fucking lives.

That still is a winning message.



Sadly, I don't think so. I was pondering this the other day, we are now well into the second generation and starting on the third generation of welfare dependent people. When the Dems say that the Republicans want to cut, say Section 8 and throw them out of their homes, they believe it because if they didn't have Section 8, they would have been thrown out of their homes. The same goes for food stamps, WIC, whatever other program is discussed. The response that hey you can get a job and take care of yourself is seen as terribly heartless and cruel and a lie because many of those dependent on such programs believe that they are no jobs for them. There are enormous segments of the population who really and truly believe that Republicans want them to be starving on the street. How on earth do you counteract that?


I do feel compelled to note for the record that I'm to the point of saying "Don't care, if you can't take care of yourself, your problem, not mine, now get your fucking hand out of my pocket."

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Will spare the calming manatees at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (VtjlW)

263 Ahhhh....the condescension is strong in this one.



Thanks Drew! Missed your posts!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (da5Wo)

264 258: did someone just get banned?

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (uFY4s)

265 Who Is John Galt?

Posted by: Oldhardhead at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (hTkdz)

266 Seems to me we can wait for some evidence that DeMint is selling out or cashing out. Give him a chance. It's not like he has anything to do in the Senate for a few years, anyway. Nothing is happening there but people pretending dust doesn't fly out of Senator Ashen Piehole's mouth when he speaks.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:55 AM (oi6KG)

267 265: a guy who violated physics like prisons violate pedophiles

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:55 AM (uFY4s)

268 "Not really. We are a country with different kinds of fascists who hobbled themselves into a temporary coalition around one man."

Perfect description of 1933 Germany..."Forward" Uber Alles..

Posted by: catman at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (YKUmW)

269 264 258: did someone just get banned?
Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (uFY4s)

No. That was a comment on TPM. Sorry, should have made that clear.

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (fWAjv)

270 NDH, why would Gowdy be out - his district is strong enough R that he could endorse a placeholder in the primary, who would quit if Gowdy failed to beat Lindsey. Hell, that person probably works in Gowdy's office. Neither Gowdy nor Lindsey would lose in the general, and the Dims won't get Gowdy's seat.

Tubal, since Wilson or ever Teddy. FDR sealed the coffin. Undo Wilson crap, specifically withholding and the Phoenix can rise.

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (bZKG0)

271 confused here, so 2010 was an anomaly and now we're told we are to suck it up?
conservatism is dead? so we are to let the country slip further to the left, where there is no hope for america? but financial devastation for all from the richest to the poorest?

Where will bi-partisanship progressive style get us?


Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (nqBYe)

272 266
Seems to me we can wait for some evidence that DeMint is selling out or
cashing out. Give him a chance. It's not like he has anything to do in
the Senate for a few years, anyway. Nothing is happening there but
people pretending dust doesn't fly out of Senator Ashen Piehole's mouth
when he speaks.


Posted by: K~Bob at December 06, 2012 11:55 AM (oi6KG)
The ash is from the victims of his pederastry

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (uFY4s)

273 So, resigning mid-term to earn big money as the figurehead of a
beltway think tank that hasn't ever elected anybody is acceptable.


I don't think Heritage will pay DeMint big money.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (T0NGe)

274 >JonesinCO:



Did we all just forget about the most historic election in our times for the GOP, 2010. It worked TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO.



I submit that the most historic election in our times just occurred. We had arguably the worst President in living memory, a fool whose policies have left the economy in shambles and the country's prestige damaged around the world, who rammed thru nationalized health care that most people hated, and we STILL couldn't beat him.

There's the measure of conservatism's strength.

Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (8sCoq)

275 269
264 258: did someone just get banned?

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:54 AM (uFY4s)



No. That was a comment on TPM. Sorry, should have made that clear.

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 11:56 AM (fWAjv)
Can i have a link, that stuff is gold(bond (apply directly to your groin))

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (uFY4s)

276 Seriously, we are getting way way way ahead of ourselves with this "all is lost" bullshit.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (tVTLU)

------
Care to place a bet that I will not collapse before the next election????
I'll give you 16 trillion to one odds, and add a trillion each year.

Posted by: The Dollar at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (nELVU)

277 Ideology should no longer guide the party--historically, the parties have always been rather liberal (NPI) in how they apply "core principles" in executing government. By their nature, parties devolve into pragmatism, but modern pragmatism equals expansion. Who really gets elected on libertarianism?

So I'm willing to accept a GOP that exists purely to get me stuff and ensure government protection and more importantly, deprive my enemies of their stuff while siccing the government apparatus on them. I don't want libertarianism--I want to neutralize my enemies, ruin their lives, and divide their families. Abortion? Come on--let the opposition exterminate itself. Birth Control -- I'd gladly pay for less breeding, not to mention all the wonder side effects they get (blood clots, infertility, etc).

I keep harping on this--the GOP needs an IRA force to crack skulls and intimidate Dem core groups.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (Ec6wH)

278 All may not be lost but it sure feels that it's slipping away quickly.

The MFM got their boyfriend reelected and now they are successfully portraying the Democrats as the good guys in this "fiscal cliff" nonsense.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (YmPwQ)

279 That one man and his coalition have been nationalizing industries
(through outright grabs and crippling regulations), crushing churches,
telling us what to eat and where we can go...

Tell me how that's different at the end of the day from plain old Fascism.


Well, my point is that they are Fascists, but it's like the Nazis and Mussolinites working together.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (T0NGe)

280 I submit that the most historic election in our times just occurred. We had arguably the worst President in living memory, a fool whose policies have left the economy in shambles and the country's prestige damaged around the world, who rammed thru nationalized health care that most people hated, and we STILL couldn't beat him.

There's the measure of conservatism's strength.
Posted by: Jones in CO at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (8sCoq) ^That.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 06, 2012 11:59 AM (1Y+hH)

281 276
Seriously, we are getting way way way ahead of ourselves with this "all is lost" bullshit.



Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (tVTLU)

------
Care to place a bet that I will not collapse before the next election????
I'll give you 16 trillion to one odds, and add a trillion each year.


Posted by: The Dollar at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (nELVU)
Two trillion if Obama gets his way

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:59 AM (uFY4s)

282 OT:

A commenter on another blog cited this:


“This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership
society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in
our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if
you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our
country.”

- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003
A blast from the past to remind us of how the GOP could save us if we just gave them a chance...Opportunity society and all...

[link removed as archive.gov is banned!]





Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2012 11:59 AM (eEfYn)

283 "In light of the direction of the country, I think conservatives need to
reclaim their own identity and seperate themselves from Republicans"

THIS.

And with a little luck, the GOP will be rightfully absorbed by the free shit party.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (zpqa2)

284 282
OT:

A commenter on another blog cited this:


“This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership

society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in

our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if

you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our

country.”


- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003
A blast from the past to remind us of how the GOP could save us if we just gave them a chance...Opportunity society and all...

[link removed as archive.gov is banned!]







Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2012 11:59 AM (eEfYn)
thats not off topic at all, the price of tea in china is ot

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (uFY4s)

285 Seriously, we are getting way way way ahead of ourselves with this "all is lost" bullshit.



Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (tVTLU)

------
Care to place a bet that I will not collapse before the next election????
I'll give you 16 trillion to one odds, and add a trillion each year.


Posted by: The Dollar at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (nELVU)

Reid re-affirmed yesterday that the filibuster is going bye-bye. 'Bamster gets, maybe, three Supreme Court picks. It's over. Turn out the lights. We are well and truly fucked.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)

286 The Dollar:

I'll take that bet ina heartbeat. The dollar will be the last to fall, trust me, all other currencies will go first, so we should last another four years. Just look at Japan, how long have they been at ZIRP with no real prospect for growth and a crazy debt burden. The charade can last a long, long time, especially with a reserve currency.

JonesinCO:
No incumbent president has ever been beaten by a challenger, when the challenger's party held power right before the incumbent took over. Except for our hero Ronnie.

That is the one exception in the history of this country. ALL IS NOT LOST. The question is, rather than just bitch about it, what the fuck are we going to do about it. I just ordered Heinlen's book "Take Back Your Government" and I am going to start. No more nancy boys running a fucked up GOTV effort.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:01 PM (tVTLU)

287 Abandon ship! Abandon ship!

Posted by: What Jim DeMint Was Really Thinking at December 06, 2012 12:01 PM (CIutZ)

288 285
Seriously, we are getting way way way ahead of ourselves with this "all is lost" bullshit.





Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:50 AM (tVTLU)

------
Care to place a bet that I will not collapse before the next election????
I'll give you 16 trillion to one odds, and add a trillion each year.




Posted by: The Dollar at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (nELVU)

Reid
re-affirmed yesterday that the filibuster is going bye-bye. 'Bamster
gets, maybe, three Supreme Court picks. It's over. Turn out the lights.
We are well and truly fucked.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)
He doesn't have the power to do that yet

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:01 PM (uFY4s)

289 And with a little luck, the GOP will be rightfully absorbed by the free shit party.
--
Isn't that where they came from? Oh, no. That was the Free Soil Party.

Posted by: RioBravo at December 06, 2012 12:02 PM (eEfYn)

290 There's the measure of conservatism's strength.

I can't disagree strongly enough. This is going to get old to people, but I have to say it.

In 2010, we ran on Conflict. Scott Brown ran (and won) on "The 41st Seat" (against ObamaCare). Conservatives and Republicans (not always the same) ran on Team Stop Obama.

Well, 2012 didn't have that kind of message or cohesion. It was too late to "stop" ObamaCare, and Republicans insisted on running on "Repeal and Replace," which I'm sure focus grouped well, but was a losing message. It turned off voters who just wanted "repeal" and those on the fence thought, "Well, if they're just going to replace it, why repeal it in the first place?" Romney didn't help there.

We didn't run on Team No New Taxes, either.

In fact, any place there *could* have been a line drawn in the sand, Republicans either refused to (Romney, Brown) or stepped on their own dicks (Akin, Mourdock). That speaks much more to those representing conservatism than it does to conservatism itself.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 12:03 PM (5DR1j)

291 Reid re-affirmed yesterday that the filibuster is
going bye-bye. 'Bamster gets, maybe, three Supreme Court picks. It's
over. Turn out the lights. We are well and truly fucked.


Posted by: WalrusRex at December 06, 2012 12:00 PM (Hx5uv)

I know He was spouting that.
Where has it been confirmed that He was allowed to finalize the idea?is there a link or a site i can read?

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 12:03 PM (nqBYe)

292 Well, my point is that they are Fascists, but it's like the Nazis and Mussolinites working together.

o.O

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 12:03 PM (/kI1Q)

293 Amen, Rockmom, don't let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. It's like someone was listening when we discussed this yesterday. In a similar vein, House Republicans came out in support of Boehner, giving him more leverage in the negotiations and recognizing the realities of the last election.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (i0vBR)

294 I'm sure that we thought all was lost in 1964 as well.

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (uFY4s)

295 I don't think Heritage will pay DeMint big money.
Posted by: AmishDude at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (T0NGe)


Define "big money". The guy he's replacing was pulling down a million a year.

Posted by: DrewM. at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (UfvyB)

296 Walrus,

Getting rid of the filibuster altogether will not happen I think. Getting rid of this stupid fucking rule that oh I intend to filibuster so suck it, is going bye bye and it should.

I want to see Mr. Smith go to Washington and stand on the Senate floor and speak for days at a fucking time. If something is so important, then stand up and say why.

I never liked the faux filibuster, regardless of who is in power.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (tVTLU)

297 292
Well, my point is that they are Fascists, but it's like the Nazis and Mussolinites working together.

o.O


Posted by: HeatherRadish™, ray of sunshine at December 06, 2012 12:03 PM (/kI1Q)
They started killing each other in Austria. No form of socialism works with any other.

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:05 PM (uFY4s)

298 Too much of the country is too far gone. Conservatism is viable now only in certain parts of the country.

Posted by: Thelmadatter at December 06, 2012 12:05 PM (zCGD0)

299 Can i have a link, that stuff is gold(bond (apply directly to your groin))
Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (uFY4s)


Here you go - but they really haven't gotten started yet. Just the usual 'GOP can claim they like blacks' bullshit.


http://tinyurl.com/a2y63qd

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 12:05 PM (fWAjv)

300 i'm so depressed.

ok we know Beck an whoever a ralphie guy are speaking of a media option, where ith are the corporations and smaller business in fighting for their rights to exist?

Have they sold out hoping they will be eaten last?
any other organizing going on?

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 12:05 PM (nqBYe)

301 296
Walrus,



Getting rid of the filibuster altogether will not happen I think.
Getting rid of this stupid fucking rule that oh I intend to filibuster
so suck it, is going bye bye and it should.



I want to see Mr. Smith go to Washington and stand on the Senate
floor and speak for days at a fucking time. If something is so
important, then stand up and say why.



I never liked the faux filibuster, regardless of who is in power.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:04 PM (tVTLU)
I feel the same way and I have never seen that movieJust make sure that during a filibuster, no senator is allowed to leave the building

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (uFY4s)

302 You guys kill me. Lindsey will leave when Lindsey is ready, and not one election before then.

DeMint is a loss, but do you blame him for not bashing his head against the wall anymore?



Anybody know how old Drew is? His writings have taken a turn for sure.

Posted by: nip at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (11Tdq)

303 Oh, yeah, I denounce myself as one of those "electability" types in politics of all things. DeMint said he doesn't give a rip about winning elections, so good luck to him at Heritage where he will never be heard from again.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (i0vBR)

304
Before condeming DeMint for "cashing in", let's try to understand why we don't have a lot of great candidates every cycle.

Who are you going to get to run for office that is of the caliber we want when the job only pays $175K? You could barely live in D.C. on that, much less maintain another house in your district.

These are the people we are trusting to spend 2.5 to 3 TRILLION dollars a year, but we can't afford to pay enough so that someone with the right experience would run? Sadly, most conservatives act just a jealous as liberals when the subject of appropriate pay comes up for congress.

Posted by: jwest at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (ZDsRL)

305 #282- Sure. Today's electorate want's an "ownership" stake in the country, just so long as the gubment buys the fuckin' house for 'em.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (yWDpP)

306 AllenG - 290:

I agree 100%. The shitty economy could still be put on Bush. Obamacare's pain had not been felt yet and we didn't run hard hard hard against it. And look at the shitty candidates we had.

I think the smarties knew that, even with this kind of muddle along crap recovery, unseating zero would be very very hard this year.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:06 PM (tVTLU)

307 Dollar is at 80.20 (DXY).

Up 10% from the 2008 low.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 06, 2012 12:07 PM (vjq6E)

308 296 Walrus,

Getting rid of the filibuster altogether will not happen I think. Getting rid of this stupid fucking rule that oh I intend to filibuster so suck it, is going bye bye and it should.

I want to see Mr. Smith go to Washington and stand on the Senate floor and speak for days at a fucking time. If something is so important, then stand up and say why.

I never liked the faux filibuster, regardless of who is in power.

---

The easy way to stop things is to withhold unanimous consent on waiving a reading of the bill.

Make them read the bills on every single goddamn thing proposed and it will slow things to a crawl after a while, especially once the speed-readers they use start getting laryngitis.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 06, 2012 12:07 PM (e0xKF)

309 Republicans aren't mind readers. Maybe they don't know what we want them to do because none of take a minute and tell them.

Most of them know, but have little to no ability to do anything about it.

Most of them (with some exceptions) did get the message after the well deserved beating they took in the 2006 midterms and the following 2008 Bush backlash.

Part of the problem is that many of the demands of the conservative base simply aren't realistic. For instance- the debt ceiling. Many conservatives here and elsewhere believed that it shouldn't have been raised at all, under any circumstances.

OK, but then what? Where and how do you cut $1 trillion dollars out of the annual budget in a way that doesn't result in the electorate storming the castle with torches and pitchforks? Hell, even the Tea Party types were shouting about saving Medicare.

So yes- we do need to hold Republican politicians accountable and let them know where we stand. If we keep demanding the impossible and implausible, of course they're going to ignore us.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 12:08 PM (SY2Kh)

310 299
Can i have a link, that stuff is gold(bond (apply directly to your groin))

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 11:57 AM (uFY4s)





Here you go - but they really haven't gotten started yet. Just the usual 'GOP can claim they like blacks' bullshit.





http://tinyurl.com/a2y63qd

Posted by: RWC at December 06, 2012 12:05 PM (fWAjv)
Those idiots think the conservatives control the GOP. Thats dumber than believing in JFK Conspiracy theories.They also believe that cutting taxes causes depressions.
That's worse than believing in 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Alex, regionalist, banhammer victim at December 06, 2012 12:08 PM (uFY4s)

311 fk it, maybe don't fight it is the new normal for sanity sake

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 12:09 PM (nqBYe)

312 And the hits just keep coming......

Posted by: Lady in Black at December 06, 2012 12:10 PM (lTVJy)

313 We need a new thread, this one is getting a little stale

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little people at December 06, 2012 12:10 PM (uFY4s)

314 #294: As an answer to your statement about "after 1964", just look at how the country has changed demographically from 1965 'til now....the story is over. Viva La Raza, bebe, and gib sum money to Detroit, President Quid-Pro-Quo

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 12:10 PM (yWDpP)

315 I keep harping on this--the GOP needs an IRA force to crack skulls and intimidate Dem core groups.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (Ec6wH)

Yeah, you get right on that skull-cracking and intimidation stuff. I have a former (and now retired) high school English teacher of mine--a really outspoken liberal--who I suppose could be considered a member of the Dem 'shrill little old lady' core group. She would be about 90 or so now. I imagine she could be fairly easily intimidated.You could start there and work your way up.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (vtiE6)

316 Brandon,

I love that shit. Why don't we do it........... That would make for a great campaign commercial.

WHAT THE FUCK, WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE BEFORE. SHOW THE SAUSAGE GETTING MADE BY THESE FUCKING MANDARINS.

Sweet Jesus Christ, it is so obvious I get more and more enraged by the complete incompetence of these fucks.

READ THE FUCKING LAWS OUT LOUD.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (tVTLU)

317 314
#294: As an answer to your statement about "after 1964", just look at
how the country has changed demographically from 1965 'til now....the
story is over. Viva La Raza, bebe, and gib sum money to Detroit,
President Quid-Pro-Quo

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 12:10 PM (yWDpP)
Back then demographics meant crap, white people were liberal. The canadian conservative party proved that minorities can vote for the interests of everyone, not just for the quick welfare cash

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little people at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (uFY4s)

318 That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking
checkbook, strong defense and get the government out of our fucking
lives.



That still is a winning message.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 11:31 AM (tVTLU)

_______________
I agree 1000%. I have said here repeatedly that a fiscal con, social mod message is a winner. And immediate I was slapped down because I want to kill unborn babies.
In my circle of peeps, there are tons of people who are Democrats solely because of social issues. They see the GOP message on abortion and run away screaming. And to a lesser degree the same is true of SSM. This isn't the free shit army I'm talking about either. These are college educated professionals who make good money and don't depend on the govt for anything, in fact they're annoyed that so many people are part of the free shit army. Yet for them - and especially for women - that is all trumped by abortion. The Dems knew exactly what they were doing when they turned their convention into abortion-palooza.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 12:12 PM (HDgX3)

319 immigration reform will save us!

new gop meme!

yeah millions of new dem voters.


bi-partisanship.

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 12:12 PM (nqBYe)

320 315
I keep harping on this--the GOP needs an IRA force to crack skulls and intimidate Dem core groups.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 06, 2012 11:58 AM (Ec6wH)



Yeah, you get right on that skull-cracking and intimidation stuff. I
have a former (and now retired) high school English teacher of mine--a
really outspoken liberal--who I suppose could be considered a member of
the Dem 'shrill little old lady' core group. She would be about 90 or so
now. I imagine she could be fairly easily intimidated.You could start
there and work your way up.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (vtiE6)
The IRA was and is Evil

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little people at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (uFY4s)

321 No new thread.

To respect Jim DeMint's fantastic career and support of conservative principles, we should stick with this one until the ONT.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (tVTLU)

322 Somebody needs to take a graph on Sunday tv that shows a million, billion, and trillion bucks. No average American has any clue how much a billion or a trillion is. They are just words. Why can't our fuckin' "leaders" figure this out.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (yWDpP)

323 "ok we know Beck an whoever a ralphie guy are speaking of a media option"

You guys confuse the hell out of me. Ashley Judd has a shot against McConnell, you say, because she's from Hollywood. Voters are that stupid. Yet, you have no idea who Vince Vaughn or Jon Favreau are or that Ralphie is a producer now. You expect the Heritage Foundation to get your message out, whatever that is. If you weren't such a bunch of sissy sad bears, more people would listen to you. Think about your message and make it more than bitching and moaning and tearing people down. The Dems were once in the wilderness, too, until they figured this out.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (i0vBR)

324 321
No new thread.



To respect Jim DeMint's fantastic career and support of conservative principles, we should stick with this one until the ONT.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (tVTLU)
Then make it an open thread

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little old ladies at December 06, 2012 12:14 PM (uFY4s)

325 Those "conservative think tanks" have been soooooooooo influential ...

Posted by: Gerry at December 06, 2012 12:14 PM (QZtTp)

326 blah.blah. blah.

Posted by: piss'd off ette at December 06, 2012 12:14 PM (nqBYe)

327 His career? He was a junior senator with a big mouth.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:15 PM (i0vBR)

328 323
"ok we know Beck an whoever a ralphie guy are speaking of a media option"



You guys confuse the hell out of me. Ashley Judd has a shot against
McConnell, you say, because she's from Hollywood. Voters are that
stupid. Yet, you have no idea who Vince Vaughn or Jon Favreau are or
that Ralphie is a producer now. You expect the Heritage Foundation to
get your message out, whatever that is. If you weren't such a bunch of
sissy sad bears, more people would listen to you. Think about your
message and make it more than bitching and moaning and tearing people
down. The Dems were once in the wilderness, too, until they figured this
out.



Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:13 PM (i0vBR)
OOOH OOOH WE ARE SOOO RICH BECAUSE OOOFF GOOD FIIISCALL POLICY. OOOH GOOOD

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little old ladies at December 06, 2012 12:15 PM (uFY4s)

329 Seems to me we can wait for some evidence that DeMint is selling out or cashing out.

You say selling out like it's necessarily a bad thing. It very much does appear that he's cashing out, and more power to him if that's what he wants.

Losing DeMint from the Senate doesn't really have any impact at all. It's not like we're losing the 51st, 40th, or 51st Senate vote.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 12:15 PM (SY2Kh)

330 327
His career? He was a junior senator with a big mouth.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:15 PM (i0vBR)
Better than a guy with a tattoo

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little old ladies at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (uFY4s)

331 Okay, I just wrote to Demint and Gov. Haley with the Trey Gowdy idea. Anybody else?

Posted by: joanne totally down with let it burn and kulaking at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (VNFBf)

332 Mr. Moo Moo:

Exactly. You can still be a socon, hard and true. But you are running for FEDERAL office. Any kind of family or domestic issues/laws are meant for the STATES.

My position on abortion has no effect on policy. My position on gay marriage has no effect on policy.

EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. Ram home that regardless of your own views, your MAIN AND OVERRIDING view is that the federal government has no place in that arena.

Yes, you will stop using taxpayer money to fund abortions. But that's simple and easy, roughly half the country is prolife and you think it is not right to force them to give money to a practice they view as abhorrent and against their principles.

Done and done.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (tVTLU)

333 The Heritage Foundation is a Man-made Global Warming Denialist propaganda organization funded by hundreds of dollars in Big Oil money.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (w41GQ)

334 332
Mr. Moo Moo:



Exactly. You can still be a socon, hard and true. But you are
running for FEDERAL office. Any kind of family or domestic issues/laws
are meant for the STATES.



My position on abortion has no effect on policy. My position on gay marriage has no effect on policy.



EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE. Ram home that regardless of your own views,
your MAIN AND OVERRIDING view is that the federal government has no
place in that arena.



Yes, you will stop using taxpayer money to fund abortions. But
that's simple and easy, roughly half the country is prolife and you
think it is not right to force them to give money to a practice they
view as abhorrent and against their principles.



Done and done.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (tVTLU)
Its closer to 55% and growing

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little old ladies at December 06, 2012 12:17 PM (uFY4s)

335 333
The Heritage Foundation is a Man-made Global Warming Denialist
propaganda organization funded by hundreds of dollars in Big Oil money.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (w41GQ)more like tens of dollars

Posted by: Alex laughs at the little old ladies at December 06, 2012 12:17 PM (uFY4s)

336 Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (w41GQ)

I'm glad you approve.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 12:18 PM (5DR1j)

337 331:

I actually really like the Tim Scott idea. Do the dems even have a black Senator. Talk about bucking media stereotypes, a statewide office in the South goes for a black conservative.

Fuck you MSM.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:18 PM (tVTLU)

338 So yes- we do need to hold Republican politicians accountable and let them know where we stand. If we keep demanding the impossible and implausible, of course they're going to ignore us.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 12:08 PM (SY2Kh)

Unrealistic expectationsis the cornerstone of the High Maintenance Conservative platform.

Posted by: polynikes at December 06, 2012 12:18 PM (m2CN7)

339 IN CASE NO ONE ELSE HAS POINTED IT OUT, IT'S SEPARATE, NOT SEPERATE. SORRY THIS KIND OF THING DISTRACTS ME.

Posted by: rationalrobert at December 06, 2012 12:19 PM (zu0hZ)

340 337 331:

I actually really like the Tim Scott idea. Do the dems even have a black Senator. Talk about bucking media stereotypes, a statewide office in the South goes for a black conservative.

Fuck you MSM.

---

I think the last black Senator the Dems had was the seat-filler appointed to replace Obama.

And he only got it because the appointment became toxic once Blago got busted trying to auction it off.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 06, 2012 12:19 PM (e0xKF)

341 Oops- should've been: 51st, 41st, or 60th Senate vote.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 06, 2012 12:20 PM (SY2Kh)

342 The Heritage Foundation is a Man-made Global Warming Denialist
propaganda organization funded by hundreds of dollars in Big Oil money.





Wow, Heritage operates on hundreds of dollars? We should put those fuckers in charge of the budget.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 06, 2012 12:20 PM (da5Wo)

343 The canadian conservative party proved that
minorities can vote for the interests of everyone, not just for the
quick welfare cash


Posted by: Alex laughs at the little people at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (uFY4s)

_____________________
Say what? Minorities in Canada are nothing near conservative. Look at an election map riding by riding. Liberals and the NDP (The Socialist Party of Canada) all but swept Vancouver and Toronto where minorities in Canada are concentrated.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 12:21 PM (HDgX3)

344 There goes one of the few members of the Senate with both a brain and a spine. He's probably sick of Harry Reid's constant shit-spewing obstructionism.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at December 06, 2012 12:21 PM (Mwakv)

345 I thought Demint was term-limiting himself, yes? Wasn't this expected?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 12:21 PM (QupBk)

346 @342 Where do you the Hobbits work when they're not making a movie?

Posted by: Gerry at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (QZtTp)

347 Wow, I guess it's a good move for him.
Cuz to Democrats "Land of the free" means something completely different than what it means to conservatives. Best of Luck, you will be missed. The RINO's are going to have a hell of a Bonn-Voyage party ...two weeks after he's gone.

Posted by: Paladin at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (mCOPv)

348 "They see the GOP message on abortion and run away screaming."

Considering 41% of the country is pro-choice, a record low according to a recent Gallup poll, I very seriously doubt that. Make no apologies for respecting life -- even McCain did it -- but the trick many candidates can't seem to pull off is not saying stupid shit ie Akin and Mourdock.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (i0vBR)

349 The last black Senator that was elected was Obama in 2004, and before that it was Carol Moseley-Braun in Illinois. Before that, you have to go all the way back to Ed Brooke from Mass. in the 60s and early 70s.

There has not been a Black Senator from the South since Reconstruction.

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 12:23 PM (NYnoe)

350 333
The Heritage Foundation is a Man-made Global Warming Denialist
propaganda organization funded by hundreds of dollars in Big Oil money.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 06, 2012 12:16 PM (w41GQ)
________________
wow, hundreds of dollars?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 12:23 PM (HDgX3)

351 Moo Moo thinks SoCons R stupid yet the only idea i've seen from him is "cut unspecified spending." yay, winning message?

Posted by: JDP at December 06, 2012 12:24 PM (8HhF2)

352 READ THE FUCKING LAWS OUT LOUD.
Posted by: Prescient11 at December 06, 2012 12:11 PM (tVTLU)



I will forgive the all caps because all of this. Hell, make it a Constitutional amendment if necessary. IIRC, there were parts of the ACA that weren't even typed up yet when it was voted on.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Will spare the calming manatees at December 06, 2012 12:25 PM (VtjlW)

353 "344 There goes one of the few members of the Senate with both a brain and a spine. He's probably sick of Harry Reid's constant shit-spewing obstructionism."

DeMint said he'd rather have 40 Rubios than 60 Specters. He just took the job and bailed on his constituents like Palin.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:25 PM (i0vBR)

354 ‏@ChadPergram DeMint on resigning from Senate: I honestly believe I can do a lot more on the outside than on the inside.

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 06, 2012 12:26 PM (YjDyJ)

355 I'm not a happy camper today. I loved Senator DeMint, last night I posted here that we should divide up and let the Obama voters be ruled by him and we'll get Jim DeMint to be our President.

I wonder why he left? I have Heritage emails but I don't see them as significant now. As a matter of fact, Romney consulted them in writing Romneycare, which is the basis of Obamacare.
I wouldn't give to Heritage for a few years after I learned that fact.

Maybe Jim wants to get out while the republic is about to go down and he can ride in to the rescue? He wont' have any part in this sham being played out now.

Posted by: CarolT at December 06, 2012 12:28 PM (z4WKX)

356 '"cut unspecified spending.' yay, winning message?"

President-elect Romney thought so... Oops.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:28 PM (i0vBR)

357 What we need is an organization.

I don't know if it's The Tea Party per se, but it's definitely not the GOP.

The communists are organized.

You have to give them that.
And because the natural ambition of a Conservative is to enjoy INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms, collectivism is counter intuitive.

That is, it doesn't lead naturally to organization.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2012 12:29 PM (aZ6ew)

358 Tim Scott, will be the ONLY BLACK in the Senate, and he'll be a Republican.

Al Sharpton and MSDNC most hurt.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at December 06, 2012 12:29 PM (wR+pz)

359 #332 We're in the shit we're in because Republicans over the last 8 years have managed to brand themselves as the party of Rich Wall Streeters + Old People + Crazy Fundamentalist WhiteMen That Don't Want Anyone Having Sex. Plus, complete hypocrites on fiscal conservatism after the orgy of new spending under George W. Bush. Meanwhile the Democrats have branded themselves as the party of The Sainted Middle Class + The Cool Celebrities You Love + The People Who Like Having Sex.

Posted by: rockmom at December 06, 2012 12:29 PM (NYnoe)

360
DeMint said he'd rather have 40 Rubios than 60 Specters. He just took the job and bailed on his constituents like Palin.


There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. The Official Democrat line.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 12:29 PM (5DR1j)

361 @ChadPergram DeMint: The re-election of President Obama was a very clear message that we need to do more as conservatives...

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 06, 2012 12:31 PM (YjDyJ)

362 "That's why our message is the right one. Balance the fucking

checkbook, strong defense and get the government out of our fucking

lives"

But what about the little children and their toys?

Also: Balancing the checkbook is no longer important. We still have blank checks left, so we're good.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at December 06, 2012 12:31 PM (zpqa2)

363 Considering 41% of the country is pro-choice, a
record low according to a recent Gallup poll, I very seriously doubt
that. Make no apologies for respecting life -- even McCain did it -- but
the trick many candidates can't seem to pull off is not saying stupid
shit ie Akin and Mourdock.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:22 PM (i0vBR)

_____________Yeah 41% is pro-choice according to who, Gallup? Ahh yes Gallup. The same people that told us Romney was going to win by a gazillion percent.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 06, 2012 12:32 PM (HDgX3)

364 It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party!

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 06, 2012 12:32 PM (+inic)

365 Romney and Republicans failed for a lot of little reasons, but I don't buy that it was because he wasn't conservative enough. Even if you want to make that case, we can't chase after a voter that sat out, you're never going to get a majority chasing after the 1-2% of unreasonable children.

I think the problem is, the country now leans blue, especially on social issues. Similar to how Colorado was once a reliable "red state" but it now a bluish shade of purple. So it now takes an especially talented Republican and an especially bad Democrat to win elections nationally. The country has changed, I don't like it, but it has, and the GOP is still running a playbook from the 80s.

Republicans need to find a set of core principles on issues that legislators can actually fix (ie don't try to make the country more Godly) and focus on that. But the God, Guns, and Gays coalition is over (except for the guns part), those other wedge issues now hurt us.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:32 PM (quW+B)

366 Long-term, national ticket, who do we like more?

Gowdy or Scott?

I like Gowdy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 12:32 PM (piMMO)

367 "Any kind of family or domestic issues/laws
are meant for the STATES."

That is not the long game the Dems are playing, or did you miss the part where the POTUS came out in favor of gay marriage and ostensibly a federal issue.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:32 PM (i0vBR)

368
He's getting out because his vote is irrelevant, and his presence there is irrelevant to his own party, no less.
Going off to run the Heritage Foundation may be a beard for starting to organize a Third Party.
DeMint is not going to run for President. But he might be going to lay the groundwork for a third party, a real third party.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at December 06, 2012 12:33 PM (RFeQD)

369 Yeah 41% is pro-choice according to who, Gallup? Ahh yes Gallup. The same people that told us Romney was going to win by a gazillion percent.

I'll admit that Gallup lacks Mr Moo Moo's vast polling apparatus but they're not some fly-by night operation either.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at December 06, 2012 12:34 PM (QupBk)

370 Even if you want to make that case, we can't chase after a voter that
sat out, you're never going to get a majority chasing after the 1-2% of
unreasonable children.


It depends on why they "sat out." How many of them were simply disinterested or turned off by "the negative tone"?

We have to get that 1-2% who didn't vote (more than that, really) to vote.

The more cynical part of me says that the Democrats have an advantage in low turnout elections because their people are going to vote anyway. What else do they have to do, go to a job? Republicans, however, are more likely to be involved in their own lives, so you have to get them actively interested in the election.

I don't think Romney did that- the "sufficiency" of his conservatism notwithstanding.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 06, 2012 12:36 PM (5DR1j)

371 2011 ACU ratings:

Gowdy, Scott, and Duncan all 96

Mulvaney 100

Wilson 94.3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 12:38 PM (piMMO)

372 "Yeah 41% is pro-choice according to who, Gallup? Ahh yes Gallup. The same people that told us Romney was going to win by a gazillion percent." Mooooo Mooooooooo

Yeah, that's totally what they said:

"Gallup's final pre-election survey of likely voters, with Romney holding 49 percent of the vote, and Obama 48 percent. After removing the 3% of undecided voters from the results and allocating their support proportionally to the two major candidates, Gallup's final allocated estimate of the race is 50 percent for Mitt Romney Romney and 49 percent for President Obama."

So, basically Gallup predicted undecideds would swing to Romney, and they were wrong. I missed the landslide part?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:38 PM (i0vBR)

373 22 "Suppose he figured it would be a better place to ride out the coming storm?"

Than a SC senate seat? You gotta be kidding. And he wouldn't be riding OUT the storm, he'd be at the center at it.

Alternative take: Demint has seceded.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at December 06, 2012 12:39 PM (21TJo)

374 Tattoo, you think Gowdy or Scott will vote to left of DeMint with a fired up base in the two-headed 2014 primary staring them in the face? DeMint promised he would term limit himself, a conservative principle, he is leaving at the best time to ensure his replacement and Lindsey's challanger have the best shot in 2014. Kudos to DeMint.

SC is secure, wHat can he do at Heritage is the bigger question?

Posted by: Jean at December 06, 2012 12:40 PM (kdfQ/)

375 We can argue ideas and fine points til the cows come home, but once again it does come back to a desperate need for the literal death of the MFM.

Their Big Lie agenda factories need to be put out or down.

Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2012 12:40 PM (aZ6ew)

376 scott thread up now

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 06, 2012 12:41 PM (piMMO)

377 Hmm. Tim Scott now, and Nikki Haley primaries Graham? That'd be too much to hope for.

Posted by: Moose4 at December 06, 2012 12:42 PM (W15Fy)

378 "Democrats have an advantage in low turnout elections because their people are going to vote anyway."

Obama had more voters sit home than vice versa, but he still held a large lead to start with, which is why pollsters went by 2008 v. 2010 sampling margins. Romney barely got as many voters as McCain, so Obama won. He misread the election as a referendum. Not being Obama was not enough.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:42 PM (i0vBR)

379 Is SC going to secede or something? *rim shot*

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at December 06, 2012 12:44 PM (9eDbm)

380 Considering 41% of the country is pro-choice, a
record low according to a recent Gallup poll, I very seriously doubt
that. Make no apologies for respecting life -- even McCain did it -- but
the trick many candidates can't seem to pull off is not saying stupid
shit ie Akin and Mourdock.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

According to the last Ramsussen poll, 54% say they were pro-choice, with only 38% saying their pro-life.
http://tinyurl.com/cnnqqye

And CNN did a poll which said something 84% oppose criminalizing abortion in cases of rape (which means the position needs to run out the Party as it already cost us several Senate seats in the last few cycles)

The problem with polling this is many people who oppose abortion call themselves pro-life, but don't actually want it to be criminalized.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:44 PM (quW+B)

381 Jean, SC has a deep bench, you're right, and Gowdy or Scott will vote like DeMint. Hopefully, he can make Heritage relevant again. He has the national profile, and there's a lot if good Reagan era principles that could see the light of day.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:46 PM (i0vBR)

382 DeMint knows the math and understands what is coming. He's been very blunt in the last year with people in townhall meetings about the DOOM. Take this as a storm warning.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at December 06, 2012 12:52 PM (6BgmB)

383 What we need is an organization.I don't know if it's The Tea Party per se, but it's definitely not the GOP.The communists are organized. You have to give them that. And because the natural ambition of a Conservative is to enjoy INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms, collectivism is counter intuitive. That is, it doesn't lead naturally to organization.
Posted by: ontherocks at December 06, 2012 12:29 PM (aZ6ew)

All good points. And you're right, leading conservative-leaning folks is akin to herding cats. A good leader could pull it off, but few good leaders are in evidence right now. I'm guessing those who could assume such a role--and there are good people out there--have adopted a wait-and-see attitude for now. Big, bad things are coming our way, but for now we'll just have to wait along with them, see how things shake out.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 12:54 PM (vtiE6)

384 "The problem with polling this is many people who oppose abortion call themselves pro-life, but don't actually want it to be criminalized."

Just the term "criminalizing" is off-putting, especially v. "safe, legal and rare." They don't want some poor young woman in trouble to go to jail for being unready for motherhood. But there is a lot more nuance to the issue, and our unwillingness to discuss the issue only compounds the problem.

In fact, the pro-life movement is making strides since Casey with 30 Republican governors and legislatures with parental consent laws, mandatory sonograms, waiting periods, etc. The RNC needs to make sure there are ballot initiatives in swing states during national elections to keep this very loyal coalition engaged. We don't need to run on abortion, we don't need a truce, and we don't need a purge, either.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 12:55 PM (i0vBR)

385 It depends on why they "sat out." How many of them were simply disinterested or turned off by "the negative tone"?

We have to get that 1-2% who didn't vote (more than that, really) to vote.

The
more cynical part of me says that the Democrats have an advantage in
low turnout elections because their people are going to vote anyway.
What else do they have to do, go to a job? Republicans, however, are
more likely to be involved in their own lives, so you have to get them
actively interested in the election.

I don't think Romney did that- the "sufficiency" of his conservatism notwithstanding.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart

I'm all for better GOTV efforts, and I think we did get out hustled, but what I'm saying is, you can't tailor a candidate and policy positions to appeal to that segment.

I really don't know what specific issue Romney could have been "more" conservative on that would have got these people to the polls. Bush got these voters and Romney didn't, I don't think anyone with a straight face can say Bush was some uber-conservative.

But regardless, a candidate like Obama should have been beat by double digits, the GOP needs to figure out a newcoalition that can easily put away a fringe leftwinger like Obama that would have lost 40 states 10 years ago.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:55 PM (quW+B)

386 We don't need to run on abortion, we don't need a truce, and we don't need a purge, either.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

We do need a purge on the Akin/Mourdock position, at least for new candidates. I also believe a child conceived in rape is innocent, but in terms of public policy, you're really destroying the pro-life position. If the GOP keeps allowing the wingnuts to run on this, I could see the whole platform being dropped,

And what does that say about the abortion position that we should keep it but never discuss it?

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:59 PM (quW+B)

387 @380 McAdams - "According to the last Ramsussen poll, 54% say they were pro-choice, with only 38% saying their pro-life."

A little context is in order here. This poll comes right on the heels of an election featuring major (at least in media coverage) gaffes on the issue by Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock. This poll is also WILDLY out of step with the trend shown by pretty much every professional polling house poll on abortion for the last twenty years (which have shown pro-life increasing and pro-choice decreasing).

What we see with this poll is not a sudden swing to support for abortion, but a reaction against "pro-life" wrongly being associated with "thinks conception from rape can't happen, therefore women who claim they were raped are really just sluts covering up their fornication."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 06, 2012 01:08 PM (+inic)

388 @ 386 McAdams - "And what does that say about the abortion position that we should keep it but never discuss it?"

Quite the opposite - we should discuss it more - but do so in a rational way that defuses the idiots like Akin.

Face it, whether you like it or not, abortion was never less restricted than it was immediately after Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. This is specifically because pro-lifers (reasonable ones, not the foetus-blood-throwing types) started engaging the culture and making the case, instead of just assuming that people would "get it." At this point, the sole reason for Roe v. Wade's continued existence is because if it went away, the Dimocrats know that 35+ states would immediately make elective abortions much, much harder to get than they already have...which is because the people of those states have elected legislators who hold to those values.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 06, 2012 01:12 PM (+inic)

389 And what does that say about the abortion position that we should keep it but never discuss it?
Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:59 PM (quW+B)

A pro-life position can be successfully defended and promoted, particularly if presented as an advancement of a pro-life culture rather than as a blanket prohibition against all abortions everywhere. A good start would be the formal adoption to the GOP platform of the health of the mother, rape and incest exceptions. Another advantage is that abortion, the procedure itself, is a bloody, awful, horrible business and that Obama's position--termination of the fetus allowable up to the moment of birth--is the extremist position.

The problem mainly lies with the messengers, not the message. In the last election, for example, Akin was an idiot purposefully promoted by crossover McCaskill Democrats in the GOP primaries because Akin as a general electionopponent posedthe least threat to her incumbency. Mourdock (for whom I voted over Lugar in the primaries) wasn't ready for the big leagues. He was out of his depth and the Democrats ate him alive.

Posted by: troyriser at December 06, 2012 01:15 PM (vtiE6)

390
And the Ronulans sitting at home butt hurt because their Applewhite leader wasn't given enough of a spotlight at the convention probably hurt too.

Probably. Good thing we didn't let them play with the spotlight at the convention, but rather went with the "Fuck you, but first you will vote me" approach.

That's just good politics. Can't have those goobers getting their hands on spotlights and making it seem like we're willing to associate with them in any form besides feeling entitled to their votes.

Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 01:19 PM (TULs6)

391 "We [conservatives] think we took over the GOP, the fact is the GOP just kisses our ass every now and then."

Really? I don't think that at all. I view small-government conservatism as having been in internal exile within the GOP since January of 1989 when the first Bush moved into the White House. The conservative movement left as Reagan left and never came back.

As Byron York points out, by the time Bush's son was in the Oval Office, he was vocally scoffing at the idea of there even BEING a "conservative movement" to which attention should be paid.

http://tinyurl.com/awt3c9u

Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2012 01:25 PM (ymG7s)

392 If DeMint is forming the core of a new party, here's a question--is it a 3rd party, or a replacement for an existing one?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at December 06, 2012 01:26 PM (GBXon)

393 We do need a purge on the Akin/Mourdock position, at least for new candidates. I also believe a child conceived in rape is innocent, but in terms of public policy, you're really destroying the pro-life position. If the GOP keeps allowing the wingnuts to run on this, I could see the whole platform being dropped,

And what does that say about the abortion position that we should keep it but never discuss it?
Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 12:59 PM (quW+B)

I second troyriser's comments about Mourdock. He wasn't ready for prime time, his comments were cringeworthy on the heels of the Akin controversy and the DNC in Charlotte. Voters were wide awake, and the Dems had been hammering away at the GOP platform for weeks. Bringing rape into the discusussion is going enflare emotions, which is why the Democrats do it. But the answer is not to drop it from the platform, since it is ideologically consistent with the argument that the unborn is an individual life bearing no responsibility for the circumstances of its conception. The answer is to discuss it more, which I have been in favor of all along and you are, too.

Akin should have been purged, not for being an idiot, but for being a dupe of McCaskill's. She likely was extorting his cooperation, since he had ethics problems and his campaign was run solely by his family, a red flag for impropriety if ever there was one. That was a failure of party leadership.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 01:29 PM (i0vBR)

394 That's just good politics. Can't have those goobers getting their hands on spotlights and making it seem like we're willing to associate with them in any form besides feeling entitled to their votes.
Posted by: entropy at December 06, 2012 01:19

Maybe if Crazy Uncle Shiny Dimes endorsed the fucking nominee for once, he could speak at the convention to formally nominate the candidate. But he didn't, and his supporters all voted for Obama on pot legalization. His former campaign manager Jesse Benton will be running Mitch McConnell's reelection campaign, though, and those kind of overtures toward the party leadership will garner him more goodwill than the tantrums of the tin foil hat brigade.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 01:35 PM (i0vBR)

395 As Byron York points out, by the time Bush's son was in the Oval Office,
he was vocally scoffing at the idea of there even BEING a "conservative
movement" to which attention should be paid.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 06, 2012 01:25 PM (ymG7s)

Was the before or after he rammed Medicare Part D through, ran up huge deficits and debt, signed big farm and transportation bills and furthered the federalization of education in partnership with Ted Kennedy?

Posted by: DrewM. at December 06, 2012 01:58 PM (UfvyB)

396 "The problem with polling this is many people who oppose abortion call themselves pro-life, but don't actually want it to be criminalized."

i.e., we don't want Akin et al passing any laws about an issue of personal morality.

But "God told him to stay in the race" so here we are today.

How's that Roe v Wade Supreme Court vote count looking now?

I guess God wants more liberals on the SC too.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 06, 2012 02:02 PM (dZQh7)

397 "i.e., we don't want Akin et al passing any laws about an issue of personal morality."

What the shit do you think senators do but pass laws that affect us personally? I might not want a late term partial birth abortion, but my tax dollars can pay for someone else's and Sandra Flike birth control and Bruce's sex change procedure. Akin was a blithering idiot, but Obama's support for de facto infanticide was far more extreme and now the law of the land.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 02:15 PM (i0vBR)

398 " But the answer is not to drop it from the platform, since it is
ideologically consistent with the argument that the unborn is an
individual life bearing no responsibility for the circumstances of its
conception. The answer is to discuss it more, which I have been in favor
of all along and you are, too."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

I couldn't disagree more.

The place to "talk more about abortion" is in Church, not have idiot politicians like Akin and Mourdock pontificate about it.

The "morality" argument of abortion has been largely won by Social Conservatives, you're not going to see many women bragging about how many abortions they've had. Americans overwhelmingly view it as a much different matter than simply birth control, but you have nowhere near a majority that wants to ban it completely.

Politicians aren't the right people to make the case for "life", just like they aren't the right people to make the case for all sorts of moral choices.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 02:16 PM (quW+B)

399 "I couldn't disagree more."

Then I misinterpreted this comment.

"And what does that say about the abortion position that we should keep it but never discuss it?"

Because I am so comfortable discussing my position with those with whom I disagree that I don't have to make up magic vagina theories to support my case. That goes for most of the pro-life movement, which includes most Catholics, a huge voting block in national politics.

My assumption was that you were saying that if the pro-life movement believes their cause is in the right, then they should be at ease promoting it. But you were just being an obnoxious dick bag. My bad.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 02:38 PM (i0vBR)

400 My assumption was that you were saying that if the
pro-life movement believes their cause is in the right, then they should
be at ease promoting it. But you were just being an obnoxious dick bag.
My bad.


Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Is this part of your grand strategy to reach out and promote Christian values?

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 02:40 PM (quW+B)

401 _________________________________

Drew,

I'm afraid I have to agree with your assessment of how we, as conservatives, tend to overrate our popularity and ability to win elections.

As you indicate, we need to soul search; reestablish our base identity; reaffirm our top two (or, maybe three) priorities; and from these sharpen our message.

And the main political/governmental purpose of our (re-clarified) message is to hold the Republican party's feet to the fire.
The conservative movement itself may not be as popular as we wish it were, and it may not be so hot at targeting and winning elections: but it can sure as hell require the Republican party to hold the line on the the top priorities of the conservative movement.

Beyond that, as conservatives we need to somehow find a way to conversationally persuade others how much better life in America can be if we adopt policies that severely curtail government. That is: lower taxes, MASSIVELY reduce spending, and require perennial deregulation.
These measures obviously equal maximizing freedom.

Our biggest problem, of course, is that in order to MASSIVELY reduce spending, entitlements MUST be cut.
And it's not just that cutting entitlements is unpopular: it's nowhere close to becoming popular.

So, unfortunately, our conversational appeals need to be around the margins with heavy emphasis on deregulation and obligatory emphasis on modest entitlement "reforms" - which is really just code for cutting entitlements.

I personally hate using code phrases to soften and make more palatable conservative positions. - That's what liberals do to hide the truth regarding their positions. They lie to the American voter because they know the truth would disqualify their positions from becoming policy.

But perhaps that's just what's necessary to install policy. Makes me want to puke.







Posted by: _Dave_ at December 06, 2012 02:40 PM (J+Q+d)

402 "Americans overwhelmingly view it as a much different matter than simply birth control."

Sadly, the numbers in no way support that claim, especially in NYC where 49% of pregnancies end in abortion. That is a fact of economics. When you subsidize something, you get more of it. The left very much wants to keep funding the abortion lobby as long as it gets them reelected.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 02:41 PM (i0vBR)

403 Is this part of your grand strategy to reach out and promote Christian values?
Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 02:40 PM

I at no time inserted my faith into this argument, because I don't believe religion and morality are symbiotic. Therefore morality is a secular issue that has every right to insert itself into our political discourse.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 02:44 PM (i0vBR)

404 I at no time inserted my faith into this argument, because I don't
believe religion and morality are symbiotic. Therefore morality is a
secular issue that has every right to insert itself into our political
discourse.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

Good luck fighting abortion on non-religious grounds. I'd love to see how atheists feel on the issue of abortion, especially on the statement "life begins at conception."

Also, the "Akin" position in politics is about as dead as segregation. Anyone who still wants to push that nonsense is going to get a cold dose of reality.


Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 02:50 PM (quW+B)

405 "Good luck fighting abortion on nonreligious grounds."

That is exactly what the right is doing now post-Casey, as I wrote earlier. But if you want to get scientific, in the DNA of a fertilized embryo is the complete design of a human being, mapping eye color and other hereditary traits. Within weeks, the human embryo meets all the criteria needed to count as living: metabolism, reaction to stimuli, reproduction. And if you say when life begins isn't the point, but when does it matter, then that's very much an argument for humanists.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 03:02 PM (i0vBR)

406
That is exactly what the right is doing now
post-Casey, as I wrote earlier. But if you want to get scientific, in
the DNA of a fertilized embryo is the complete design of a human being,
mapping eye color and other hereditary traits. Within weeks, the human
embryo meets all the criteria needed to count as living: metabolism,
reaction to stimuli, reproduction. And if you say when life begins
isn't the point, but when does it matter, then that's very much an
argument for humanists.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

So do you believe the morning after pill is the same thing as having an abortion, even though it biologically works the same way as a woman who's on birth control?

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 03:23 PM (PCx72)

407 "In light of the direction of the country, I think conservatives need to reclaim their own identity and seperate themselves from Republicans."

Agreed. In particular, it's time to be the friend of business in theory, not in person. And that's what's ticking off the RNC types. At the end of the day, we won't sacrifice all to keep the big money donors happy.

We won't allow rent seeking. That's what ticks them off.

Posted by: J. at December 06, 2012 03:25 PM (DqxX8)

408 You just answered your own question. It's the same as contraception. The egg is either unfertilized or unable to implant into the uterus within the necessary 24-hour window.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 03:30 PM (i0vBR)

409 Also, the best scientific evidence we have (A study by the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm found that the pill's effects "involve either blockade or delay of ovulation . . . rather than inhibition of implantation.") indicates that the morning-after pill serves to block fertilization, while having no effect on implantation. That makes it contraception, not abortion.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 03:37 PM (i0vBR)

410 408
You just answered your own question. It's the same as contraception. The
egg is either unfertilized or unable to implant into the uterus within
the necessary 24-hour window.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

So then life doesn't begin at conception? Because that is supposed to be the main plank of the pro-life movement.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 03:40 PM (PCx72)

411 Which part of unfertilized egg confuses you?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 03:55 PM (i0vBR)

412 411
Which part of unfertilized egg confuses you?
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

So does life begin at conception?
It's a simple yes or no question that you want to throw a million diversions at.


Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 04:02 PM (PCx72)

413 I'm not skirting the topic. You asked me if the morning after pill is contraception or abortion, and you said it works like contraception. There you go. I agreed that it is contraception. Then you falsely asserted that means life doesn't begin at conception. I pointed out that recent scientific evidence supports the theory that the morning after pill prevents fertilization. But for the sake of argument, say it prevents implantation. Breast-feeding is also known to cause uterine changes that can prevent a fertilized egg from being implanted. Does that make breast-feeding the same as having an abortion? Nobody in the pro-life movement says this. So, what is your point? The morning after pill is contraception, so it's moot.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 04:11 PM (i0vBR)

414 413
I'm not skirting the topic. You asked me if the morning after pill is
contraception or abortion, and you said it works like contraception.
There you go. I agreed that it is contraception. Then you falsely
asserted that means life doesn't begin at conception. I pointed out that
recent scientific evidence supports the theory that the morning after
pill prevents fertilization. But for the sake of argument, say it
prevents implantation. Breast-feeding is also known to cause uterine
changes that can prevent a fertilized egg from being implanted. Does
that make breast-feeding the same as having an abortion? Nobody in the
pro-life movement says this. So, what is your point? The morning after
pill is contraception, so it's moot.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

I'm moving on because you're still too scared to answer with a simple yes or no, which is typical of SoCon nuttery.

But if someone does believe that life begins at conception (which is the usual rallying cry) that pretty much means all birth control pills are a form of abortion, since they work by not allowing a fertilized egg (conception) to attach to the uterus wall. If you believe life begins an conception, then you're purposely killing that fertilized egg when a woman takes a birth control pill.

Good luck selling your vision of no rape exceptions for abortion and no birth control pills either. I'm done with this wing of the Party, and there's a reason you have Akin and Mourdock situations because they are willing to say any ridiculous or absurd thing to push their views.

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 04:26 PM (PCx72)

415 Yes, life begins at conception, dummy. I've already had a bottle of Beaujolais, an Irish coffee, a beer and a shot of moonshine, and I'm still kicking your ass. Whatever Axelrod is paying you, it's too much.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 04:33 PM (i0vBR)

416 Keep wishing me luck, too, because it's working. I don't even need it against a dunce like you, either.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 04:37 PM (i0vBR)

417 416
Keep wishing me luck, too, because it's working. I don't even need it against a dunce like you, either.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane

So if life begins at conception, a woman taking a birth control pill is in your eyes an abortion?

Posted by: McAdams at December 06, 2012 04:58 PM (PCx72)

418 At no time did I ever say that, or support Akin and Mourdock, or oppose contraception or lobby for rape or any of your ridiculous straw men arguments.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 06, 2012 05:13 PM (i0vBR)

419
@ 412 McAdams - So does life begin at conception?

Yes, it does.

Which still doesn't change the fact that you're an apparent idiot who can't understand the point Tattoo is making.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at December 06, 2012 07:12 PM (U+vgB)

420 I'm really late to the game, as always, but this abortion thing isn't difficult to figure out.

Americans are not in favor of abortions. No women of sound mind are going to broadcast how many abortions they've had. The TLC Channel will never have a reality show about the woman who had 19 abortions like it does about the woman with 19 children.

At the same time, your white, suburban housewife, even one who is Catholic and nominally conservative, wants her 16 year old daughter to be able to have an abortion. That's just life the way it is, pun intended.

Posted by: MoeRon at December 07, 2012 11:13 AM (yWDpP)

421 "As always"? I've never fucking heard of you. Another stupid comment adding absolutely nothing to the discussion, just slandering Catholics and spouting nonsense. Typical lib troll.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 07:18 PM (i0vBR)

422 Oh, and I see McAdams has moved onto the media thread where he is pretending to be a concerned parent but still putting out his message that this is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 07, 2012 07:19 PM (i0vBR)






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