Dumb Statement From Romney Advisor Stuart Stevens

On how the election might have gone differently.

Over the summer, however, once Romney had clinched the GOP nomination, he did not counter months of attack ads by the Obama campaign and an allied super PAC. Romney's aides said that was part tactical and part due to a cash shortage as the primary season drew to a close. “We spent all the money that we had,” Stevens said, and even borrowed some to stay on the air until the convention.

Given limited options, Stevens said, the campaign went with a series of “day one, job one” ads about the first day of a Romney administration, rather than countering the Obama offensive. “We tested this extensively,” Stevens said. “What voters wanted to know most is what Mitt Romney would do as president.” One consequence: The largely unaddressed attacks on Romney as a heartless capitalist magnified the impact of the leaked video that showed Romney at a private fundraiser describing 47 percent of the country as irresponsible moochers. We’ll never know what course the race might have taken had Romney mounted a defense as relentless as the onslaught.

Steve Jobs famously didn't believe in focus grouping potential buyers and asking them what they wanted. His cutting, but wise, quote is something like: "It's not the public's idea to know what they want."

And that's true. The general possible buyer does not know the industry like those in the industry do. If you asked people what they wanted from their phones ten years ago, they probably wouldn't have said, "I want it to include a fairly powerful digital camera in it, and I want to tote all of my digital music collection on it. And, I'd like to use it as a portable tv screen, watching High Def movies which I purchase online."

No one would have thought of that. Few would have imagined that stuff was doable, and even if they had realized it was doable, they would have asked, "Why do I want all these completely unrelated tech gadgets in my phone?" (Actually, I still ask that, but I'm in the minority.)

And of course now if you offered a "smart phone" missing a single one of these unrelated bits of gadgetry the public would say, "But then that's not a smart phone!!!"

The idea of asking voters what they want and just taking their word for it is so naive I'm having trouble believing someone in politics said this.

Yes, the public will always say they want policy details and more policy details. Their statements to this effect are complete and utter lies. I can guarantee you that the Detailed Policy Bits parts of any political website are its least trafficked.

So these guys went in to a bunch of uninformed non-experts, and asked them "Do you think we should push back against the negative personal attacks which even now are having a powerful subconscious effect on how you view Romney, or do you want Romney to talk about his plans for the future?"

And surprise surprise, they said "Plans for the future." You know, the answer that makes them sound like highly intelligent scholars of civic policy, rather than the answer that makes them sound like dupes easily-swayed by repetitive and dishonest political attacks.

Of course they chose the former. Of course they chose the answer that offered them a more heroic self-conception of themselves. Of course they claimed to be the sort of people entirely unaffected by advertising. (If they were, why ask them what sorts of messaging they'd like to see in political ads?)

It's not the public's job to know what they want. This is ridiculous. I'm beginning to buy into this notion of Romney The Robot.

Human beings. They lie, especially to themselves. Have you met them?

Posted by: Ace at 07:51 PM



Comments

1 When did Romney say 47% of the country was irresponsible moochers?I must have missed that.

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2012 07:53 PM (9XBK2)

2 Dangit!

You missed an opportunity to the Stuart Stevens Smalley thing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:54 PM (piMMO)

3
Meh. In a losing campaign, everything you did was wrong and everything you didn't do was right.
The only "countering" that could be done would have been attacks on Obama anyway. You don't fight negative attacks by countering them. "I'm not a meanie doo-doo head." isn't an effective commercial.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 04, 2012 07:54 PM (xSegX)

4 We seriously need to waterboard that bitch.
Seriously. What team does he play for? Let's find out.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 07:55 PM (1V6Pv)

5 Ace is right, people are full of shit! about what they want.

Kiss my ass, Frank Luntz.

Posted by: Jeanne the Obscure at December 04, 2012 07:57 PM (ttCNM)

6 Every Stuart I have ever known has been a flaming asshole. Stewart's and Stu's and Stuie's have all been cool. Weird that....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:57 PM (jucos)

7 Seriously. What team?
Jeffrey Lord, as usual, nails it here: http://preview.tinyurl.com/c3n7lsv

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (1V6Pv)

8 Ha. Go ahead and run an even more conservative jackass next time. Romney nearly dislocated his spine lurching back towards the middle after the primaries.

And ryan proved to be a full bore pussy gym rat. Remember when you guys thought biden was a joke?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHa.

Posted by: Olaf at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (t1NLo)

9 It's time for his "advisers" to STFU and go away unless they can provide any real insight that will improve the odds in the future.

They failed him and they failed us.

One man, no matter how fucking good a manager, can run a corporation, or a campaign, alone.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:58 PM (piMMO)

10 Stuart Stevens is in idiot that should never be hired by a campaign unless the idea is a loss.
Is he the same one that called him Etch a Sketch?

Posted by: CarolT at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (z4WKX)

11 GAZE.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (jucos)

12
Success has a million fathers, defeat is an orphan.

- somebody famous or anon, either way not looking it up. Probably Jefferson.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (n/ubI)

13 Republicans are big pussies. That has a lot to do with why they lose presidential elections.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (UUAFX)

14 "Mr. Romney, there's no need to counter the relentless onslaught of negative ads from the DNC, Obama committee, PACs and all the media outlets. The voters won't listen; they are waiting patiently for your positive message. BTW, I'm going to need a higher consultant salary."

Posted by: Daybrother at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (+paCV)

15 The republican party is a dead man walking. Look, I hope I'm wrong, but I think it's mortally wounded. Without the social cons, the party would be tiny, but the social cons are being increasingly marginalized by the culture at large. (I know, I sound like a concern troll)

Posted by: Hugh G. Rex at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (q177U)

16 or, uh, advisors

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 07:59 PM (piMMO)

17 AoSHQ PSA:
"Don't feed the trolls"

< CUE JINGLE >

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2012 08:00 PM (JEpGb)

18 AoSHQ PSA:
"Don't feed the trolls"




*****

And roll out the barrel.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:01 PM (piMMO)

19 Why didn't Romney put up his own money instead of relying on general election funds? Sheldon Adelson supposedly gave 150 million, but Romney decided to sit there all summer watching attack ads while he waited for money to come in? I didn't think it possible to beat McCain at worst run campaign, but it looks like Romney succeeded in that regard.

Posted by: L is saying where's the dang SMOD? at December 04, 2012 08:02 PM (0PiQ4)

20

I dont play with dog poop.

Posted by: off topic soothsayer at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (WVM4Z)

21 "Do you think we should push back against the negative personal attacks which even now are having a powerful subconscious effect on how you view Romney have an adult in the White House, or do you want Romney to talk about his plans for the future Obama phones?"

*****

Fixed that.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (1OZSU)

22 The people who failed were the 50% of the electorate that didn't even bother to vote.Especially those who didn't vote because"aw,Romney is just as bad as Obama".

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (9XBK2)

23 Is he the same one that called him Etch a Sketch?

No that was Eric Fehrnstrom.

Mitt is a Mormon, he believes in providing opportunity for the intellectually disabled

I just wish he had picked another year to do that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 08:03 PM (pSgLi)

24
Its all of these things and none of these things, its mainly the American people are a dumb downed lot of takers or people who just don't care.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2012 08:04 PM (n/ubI)

25 Exactly.

The voters that decide elections are really the dumbest of the dumb, so court them accordingly.

Romney should have asked Donald Trump for advice, I'm being serious. no one gives a shit about base line budgeting or a Medicare plan decades from now.

Also, Romney really should have released those tax records, it did far more damage than whatever was in there (which was absolutely nothing). And channeling Trump, when Obama asked for them, he should have demanded the academic transcripts.

I've yet to see a candidate lose because they punched too hard.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (XDRsa)

26
worked so good for Bush, didn't it.

We need to take a page from progs this one time, and go for the throat.

Posted by: thunderb at December 04, 2012 08:05 PM (Dnbau)

27 Mitt is a Mormon, he believes in providing opportunity for the intellectually disabled


****

We're running Corky in 2016.

EOJ is already warming up the chockit ice cweam scoop.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:06 PM (piMMO)

28

We campaign during election season.
Democrats campaign all the time.

We lose elections.
They win elections.

Connect the dots yourself.

Posted by: off topic soothsayer at December 04, 2012 08:06 PM (ZgBZU)

29 Hi, Olaf!

Implying cowardice again? Still don't have the stones to answer my question, do you?

Posted by: fluffy gets Medieval at December 04, 2012 08:06 PM (O6q63)

30
Mitt is a Mormon, he believes in providing opportunity for the intellectually disabled

Mormons run law schools? /oblig.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 04, 2012 08:07 PM (xSegX)

31 So I gotta get this straight, an incompetent metrosexual and a self-admitted brain damaged person are preferable to a successful businessman and a "gym rat"

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the liberal ideal.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 08:07 PM (pSgLi)

32 Mitt never saw "Patton" or he just didn't get it.

"We are going to attack!"

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 08:07 PM (57VGh)

33 We ran Ward Cleaver and Beaver. We really need folks with street smarts.

Posted by: L is saying where's the dang SMOD? at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (0PiQ4)

34 re: "I'm beginning to buy into this notion of Romney The Robot."

I'm sticking with weird and isolated dude who has no idea he's weird and isolated because he's been institutionalized (in the non-crazy-person sense) for his whole life.

You have to not know any actual people, any marginally self-determining beings existing outside their roles and functions, to believe shit like this.

Seriously, who does the guy know?

Yeah, Obama's like that too. That's kinda my point.

Posted by: oblig. at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (cePv8)

35 Hi, Olaf!

Implying cowardice again? Still don't have the stones to answer my question, do you?


*****

Into the barrel, Fluffy!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (piMMO)

36 I'm beginning to buy into this notion of Romney The Robot.

That's an insult to actual robots.

So what you're saying Ace being a policy wonk is not an electability plus? My, how the times have changed...

Posted by: Radius at December 04, 2012 08:08 PM (nL5y5)

37 The GOP has a Large stable of profesional Political people, who staff Campaigns, and are Staff for Congressmen and such....

Yet this Stable of 'profesionals are constantly losing... both in public debate, and Elections....

Think about that.....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 08:09 PM (lZBBB)

38 Mittens sat on a huge pile of dough and didn't spend it until the final weeks of the campaign. I think we all thought him quite smart at the time. Negative worked. Maybe it always has. Mittens waited too long and didn't counter.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 08:09 PM (jucos)

39 We ran Ward Cleaver and Beaver. We really need folks with street smarts.


****

A cross between Romney and West.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:09 PM (piMMO)

40 "Sen. Rubio & Rep. Ryan Speak at Jack Kemp Award Ceremony"- http://cs.pn/e1vwvH

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 04, 2012 08:10 PM (YjDyJ)

41 So it all comes down to money.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2012 08:10 PM (79ueO)

42 Into the barrel, Fluffy!

The barrel doesn't stop much. You should have seen what Truman was able to accomplish.

Posted by: fluffy gets Medieval at December 04, 2012 08:10 PM (O6q63)

43 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 08:11 PM (57VGh)

44 >>>So what you're saying Ace being a policy wonk is not an electability plus?

it is. It is NOT the case, as you are implying, that if you're smart in one area you're dumb in another one. Usually intelligences are found together.

Bill Clinton obviously had both, for example.

There's is no way in hell I'm signing up for this implied "Let's Nominate Know-Nothings" caucus.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (LCRYB)

45 The Dems win because cme hell or high water, they stick.

Whatever the platform, whomever the candidate, they rally. They keep most of their dirty laundry behind closed doors whereas our side believes it's principled to let the fucking sun shine on every damn screw-up and every single disagreement.

We are fractured and single issue voters are gonna be the death of us.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (piMMO)

46 I for one welcome our new Democratic overlords

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (SkyIE)

47 Only Democrats care about skin color

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (WVShg)

48 What would make this worse? Hearing a fucking Owl City Christmas song while reading it.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (gBuIk)

49 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

Don't underestimate the power of subliterate morons with a grievance working inner city precincts.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 08:13 PM (pSgLi)

50 Only Democrats care about skin color

That's why they win.

Posted by: boulder hobo at December 04, 2012 08:14 PM (QTHTd)

51 @39 A cross between Romney and West.
I'd feel a lot better about West if he'd actually shot the tango-- after he learned what he needed to know.
I am sure Romney is a good and honest man. But I don't want a technocrat, I want a killer.
Malaria or Socialism? Let's kill Socialism first. It killed more people last century. Past is prologue. Kill it with extreme prejudice, and drive a stake of living wood through its dark heart.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:14 PM (1V6Pv)

52
it is. It is NOT the case, as you are implying, that if you're smart in one area you're dumb in another one. Usually intelligences are found together.

I always snigger at "different kinds of intelligences".

Yeah, genius, whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 04, 2012 08:14 PM (xSegX)

53 So the Catholic Church is right. Man is inherently evil.

He will publicly talk up the angels, while privately succumbing to the devils. Which is how the Democrats run their campaign.

And The Stupid Party will not heed the lesson.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 04, 2012 08:14 PM (kqqGm)

54 Experience the Renaissance at lightning speed!

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (O6q63)

55 Negative worked. Maybe it always has.


...Fuck.

Posted by: nip at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (11Tdq)

56
Posted by: AmishDude at December 04, 2012 07:54 PM (xSegX)


___ ____ ____ ____ I agree. Campaigns are like wars and geopolitics. There are too many outcomes and variables, and the only time you aren't guessing is when it's over, and often you are still guessing then.

All these rehashes are a waste of time, and don't tell us anything about the next election.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (1Y+hH)

57 This goes without saying. Republican campaigns are inept. We know that. It's been that way forever. They're run by people who spend a lot of time in coffee klatches at the country club. Or by people who literally just fell off the turnip truck. Par for the courses. It's priced in. But it doesn't excuse millions upon millions of erstwhile Republicans sitting out the election. The right is not supposed to be like the left. We don't need mommy to pick us up, drive us to the ballot booths, hold our hands,and then to vote for us. Or at least it shouldn't be that way.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (pmsMR)

58 Out,before this gets ugly.

Posted by: steevy at December 04, 2012 08:16 PM (9XBK2)

59 Moved to this thread 'coz I put it in the other one just as it died...

By the way, we're fooling around with an idea over in the comment section of Scoop's.

here---> http://tinyurl.com/a73uslq

I'd appreciate any 'roons comments on it, because on the one hand, it sounds like it came from Otter, in Animal House:

"We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional

weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I

think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely

requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!"

On the other hand, hey, nothing else seems to work.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:16 PM (WVShg)

60 There's is no way in hell I'm signing up for this implied "Let's Nominate Know-Nothings" caucus.

Awwwww! C'mon!!!'

Posted by: Todd Akin at December 04, 2012 08:16 PM (pSgLi)

61 from the liberal cryptomarxist phrase book - Obama edition

"Give me more details!"

52% equivalent = "What kinda free shit you gonna give me?"

DNC equivalent = "Split rhetorical hairs while I spread propaganda about what an asshole you are!"

American equivalent = "Stand there like a martyr and babble about economics while criminals destroy the country!"

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:16 PM (EZl54)

62 Probably the worst President in our short history and he wins easily. Hmm. I wonder why?

Posted by: Ghost of Eric Hoffer at December 04, 2012 08:17 PM (fDGF1)

63 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (piMMO)

When the Media allows BILL CLINTON... a Man Impeached for lieing under oath... to sit on Stage and say OTHER people are telling lies??? Without Laughing him off the stage, or pointing out Bill's veracity problems?

When a Dem Congressman can get reelected while both being investigated for felony charges, AND sitting in a 'rest home'?

If a Tree falls in the Forest, and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound???? or... the corolary... If the Dem has dirty laundry, but the Media will not air it, does it exist?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 08:17 PM (lZBBB)

64 Bubble.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at December 04, 2012 08:18 PM (5H6zj)

65 All these rehashes are a waste of time, and don't tell us anything about the next election.

I disagree. The point of a post-mortem is to learn from your mistakes.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:18 PM (O6q63)

66 There's is no way in hell I'm signing up for this implied "Let's Nominate Know-Nothings" caucus.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2012 08:12 PM (LCRYB)

I'd happily vote for a guy who knows nothing about policy, but is loaded with common sense, love of Country, and the courage to stand up to assholes.

He can learn the policy shit as he goes along.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (57VGh)

67
“We spent all the money that we had,” Stevens said"




Yeah, it's not like Romney had 100s of millions of dollars of his own money to spend.

Wait.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (kdS6q)

68 We can armchair this one until we all die from bordom. Bottom line Obama ran the only way he could to win, Negative.

"I am the president who has doubled the Unemployment numbers, Vote for me this November." This add gets very few voters inspired. So he went negative and it worked.

I wish it was different but this is what I have to deal with today.

Posted by: Picric at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (Dbeo2)

69
The Dems win because cme hell or high water, they stick.

Whatever the platform, whomever the candidate, they rally. They keep most of their dirty laundry behind closed doors whereas our side believes it's principled to let the fucking sun shine on every damn screw-up and every single disagreement.

We are fractured and single issue voters are gonna be the death of us.
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This, and the fact that they own the media/Hollywood complex.

Posted by: zombie-Earnest Hemingway at December 04, 2012 08:20 PM (85EaA)

70 Forgit Mitt abandoned what worked for him in the primaries, he and his pacs slandered, excoriated and demeaned Newt, Cain, Santorum when he had to bring them down and did so through his Minimee Michelle, and Laup NOR. All this in the final 9 days before the vote taking his opponent from a high single digit lead to a substantial loss.
He trashed repunks but for some reason his advisors though being Mr Nice, mr respectful would get him the vote while the Lyin kING took out his little dick and pissed all over Roves Bald head, Gillipies big beak and Mittens 500 dolla shoes.
Twice now, nice has lost, we need a new party who will call a Lyin Rat, a Lyin FUCKIN Rat I shoulda hitched my wagon to Laup Nor

Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (z0ipP)

71 If a Tree falls in the Forest, and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound???? or... the corolary... If the Dem has dirty laundry, but the Media will not air it, does it exist?


****

the media can't take the whole heat on it because, still, regardless of the facts you reference above, the entire party came out to support them.

Perhaps it is our principles which are killing us.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (piMMO)

72 The very fact that Bill Clinton is an elder statesman in the Democrat party speaks volumes as to where we are as a society.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (jucos)

73 Okay, you can't copy/paste material without going back and manually killing all the autoerotic, uhh, I mean auto-generated carriage returns. Fine.

Worst "rich text editor" ever. Bring back TECO!

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (WVShg)

74 face it, Mittens ran the same sort of lame ass, designed to lose campaign that McLame did, run by the same general gang of experts, and with the same stupid outcome.

of course, since the primary goal of the RNC and the Beltway RINOs is to maintain their personal power, positions and access, rather than win elections, what we see as a bug or failure is, to them, a feature. they got what they wanted.

i figured this was the likely goal and outcome as soon as the usual suspects told us early on, that, no matter what, Romney was going to be the candidate. all that was left after his nomination was to make it look like he wanted to win, and they sold that pretty well.

fuck the GOP, i'm done with them.

Let
It
Burn

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 04, 2012 08:22 PM (8MasJ)

75 Twice now, nice has lost, we need a new party who will call a Lyin Rat, a Lyin FUCKIN Rat I shoulda hitched my wagon to Laup Nor


*****

I'm in the minority here, but would not mind seeing Rand run.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:22 PM (piMMO)

76
it's cool

I'm sure that by June 2016 we'll be ready to ready to rock n roll!

Ready to begin campaigning, that is.

Posted by: off topic soothsayer at December 04, 2012 08:22 PM (KwX0v)

77 Focus groups are always full of idiots who are excited that someone's listening to them - they'll say anything to stay relevant in the group. The only people dumber than the people in a focus group are the people listening to them.

Posted by: Dang at December 04, 2012 08:23 PM (R18D0)

78
Perhaps it is our principles which are killing us.
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They have all the teachers, we're stuck with the principles.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (85EaA)

79 39 NDH
A cross between Romney and West.


Or just West.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (sdi6R)

80 Gee, you'd think the Romney campaign had never heard of a conservative national victory in a multi-ethnic country that won on the power of courting the immigrant vote without pandering.

No one ever calls. . . .

Posted by: Stephen Harper at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (gBuIk)

81 The very fact that Bill Clinton is an elder statesman in the Democrat party speaks volumes as to where we are as a society.


****

The fact that many of us have been driven, these past four years, to remark on how we long for the Clinton days or would welcome a run by Hillary, says much-too-much about our weariness.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (piMMO)

82 Democrats run successful con men and campaigns are run like one big con operation.

I was wrong about know one really paying attention in July about the nasty ads. But those people glued to the TV watching those ads were most likely not to vote for Romney in the first place.

Posted by: Dlei LLama at December 04, 2012 08:24 PM (lGu1O)

83 I'm in the minority here, but would not mind seeing Rand run.

I like him and could definitely take a closer look, but not 2016.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:25 PM (O6q63)

84 Wait, what?

Posted by: Frank Luntz at December 04, 2012 08:25 PM (jucos)

85 -- 72 -- "The very fact that Bill Clinton is an elder statesman in the Democrat party speaks volumes as to where we are as a society."

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (jucos)

He has to be an Elder stateman. That's because history begins yesterday for the left. Anything farther back than Clinton is like all them people buried under ash in Pompeii.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:26 PM (WVShg)

86 Twice now, nice has lost, we need a new party who will call a Lyin Rat, a Lyin FUCKIN Rat I shoulda hitched my wagon to Laup Nor

Crazy Uncle Shiny-Dimes would have stood up in the debates and agreed with Obama on how bad the Republicans had been in the past. And on November 6th he would have been slaughtered.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at December 04, 2012 08:26 PM (kqqGm)

87 Yeah, Romney is just Data with better hair.

They never did get that emotion chip working.

Posted by: Invictus at December 04, 2012 08:26 PM (OQpzc)

88 NDH
A cross between Romney and West.

Or just West.


*****

I like a lot about West and LOVE that he fought so valiantly to keep the Dems from stealing an election, but he needs more polish. If he spends the next couple of years in public service and doesn't lose his shit on anyone in such a way that his temperament becomes the headline, then he might have a shot at a V.P. slot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (piMMO)

89 22>> "The people who failed were the 50% of the electorate that didn't even
bother to vote.Especially those who didn't vote because"aw,Romney is
just as bad as Obama".

I agree with you steevy. The Romney campaign made plenty of mistakes, but the non-voters made THE biggest mistake. They let the KIDS reelect BO. good grief

Posted by: carolina at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (JebKA)

90 Re: after-action reports for mere mortals, or lessons-learned for the USMC. I've been tasked with investigating the efficacy of bayonets in the struggle of American Liberty vs. the long march of Socialism. What we found was that the side of American Liberty did not even deploy bayonets at all. Lesson learned: bayonets are a battlefield expedient for the panacea "stake of living wood driven through the dark heart of Socialism".
Sad, really.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (1V6Pv)

91 Thanks Sean Bannion for Eric's name instead of Stevens.
Eric is one of his closest aides, he was here when Mitt was Governor here.

Posted by: CarolT at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (z4WKX)

92 Well, which assclown finished second to Romney, because that's who they'll run in 2016.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 08:27 PM (85EaA)

93 The neomarxists are generally composed of people who are unwilling to admit that they are accountable to anyone or that anything is more important than themselves.

endowed by their Creator.

stupid socons

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:28 PM (EZl54)

94 "Twice now, nice has lost"

Damn right. The republican focus groups wanted nice. Obama and Biden act like total ass holes in the debates and win the race. Part of that is the media but part of that is female voters not admitting that they like a strong guy. Especially the single females the republicans lost. They don't have a husband and are looking for a politician to fill that role to protect and support them. All facts. Look it up.

Posted by: Dang at December 04, 2012 08:28 PM (R18D0)

95 The only way to destroy Socialism here is to let it go all the way to 11.

Hoping the GOP can rescue the USA is stupidity incarnate.

Let it burn.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 08:29 PM (57VGh)

96 The right is not supposed to be like the left. We
don't need mommy to pick us up, drive us to the ballot booths, hold our
hands,and then to vote for us. Or at least it shouldn't be that way.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at December 04, 2012 08:15 PM (pmsMR)
Bull shit, obviously we do. Iowa won the vote for Mitt on election day and in my county for every R candidate, It was the earily and absentee ballots that won the game for the D's who almost ran the table. Free shit concerts and Big Name draws with the buses outside running telling the folks get on da bus grab a water we take ya to the polls and bring ya back, minimum effort WORKS. Get used to it, do it, or lose every fucking election in sight. Its an American Idol give me free and easy shit world.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry forgit Mitt! at December 04, 2012 08:29 PM (z0ipP)

97 Human beings. They lie, especially to themselves. Have you met them?

Everybody lies.

Posted by: Dr. Gregory House at December 04, 2012 08:29 PM (HSe8O)

98 Olaf is an unrepentant pedophile. He has been dodging the sex offender registry ever since he molested, murdered, and ate several six-year-old boys in the 80s and 90s.

Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2012 08:30 PM (flaox)

99 Hey chemjeff ya here??? I got a present for ya: http://tinyurl.com/bd2cx5z

Posted by: DAve at December 04, 2012 08:30 PM (XDC0v)

100 I like him and could definitely take a closer look, but not 2016.


****

If folks have eyes on running Rubio, then someone had better pull his ass aside and have a heart-to-heart with him about his rookie mistakes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:30 PM (piMMO)

101 Ace, are you seriously on Team Pile-On Romney? Still?

I was just going to come here and talk about how pathetic it is that tmz and cnn and all these news/entertainment sites are obsessed with Romney since the election. There is a report of him nearly every other day. Going to Costco, for Pete's sakes, and analyzing his purchases. Yet, this guy could not buy airtime to get coverage when making campaign speeches or responding to something stupid the President said.

I think it is the ultimate irony that this man loses and goes back into "real world" (albeit with lots of money) life. Had Obama lost, he would have found some university chairmanship or done more of his "community organizing." He would have continued to have meals comped and suck up to higher ups the rest of his life. Yet, Obama is the man of the people, the one that people can relate to. Give me a break.

Hind sight is 20/20. Enough of this Monday morning quarterbacking. For all we know, if Romney release tons of attack ads, his campaign could have been even worse off than it ended up being. Playing the meek and mild card may have been the only thing that kept it close.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (E1Vkf)

102 I'm tanned, rested, lazy, and tired. Let's do this.

Posted by: Fred Thompson at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (jucos)

103 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:21 PM (piMMO)

I see two problems.... which if not addressed, are killers.

1. The Media. They are not even trying to hide their bias any longer. They outed themselves this election, yet there has been no consequence. Until there is an actual CONSERVATIVE competitor (Fox being moderate IMO), AND a concerted effort from the RIGHT to punish the Media for their Bias? Any election boils down to the Conservative/Libertarian being outnumbered two to one.

2. The GOPs reluctance to even try to FIGHT. The GOP is like the Condiatari (sp?) era of Italy... a time of stylized combat between profesional mercenary armies... where surrender was quite OK as long as you played honorably....

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (lZBBB)

104 http://is.gd/T7P0px

Snark free Egyptian Obama Endorsement.

Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (iUyBG)

105 Just spitballing here, but maybe we need to infiltrate the bus drivers union. Then when the dem voters get on for their free ride to the polling place we could drive 'em out to mile marker #25 and let 'em out.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (1OZSU)

106 I think you guys forget that the conventional wisdom, which I have heard for years and years, is that Reagan won because he was the sunny optimist who believed in the American people.

That is exactly how Mitt presented himself. Remember "Believe in America?" And his ads were mostly nice happy ads.

Only I don't think Reagan won because of being a sunny optimist. I think he won because he was FAMOUS, a celebrity, if you will. I remember the 1980 election quite well, because I switched to voting GOP due to loathing Carter. And I actually remembered Reagan from "Death Valley Days" when I was a kid, so he was familiar to me.

Reagan had a lot of pals like Jimmy Stewart, Frank Sinatra, etc. and that was also appealing. Some glamor in the White House after the dreary Carter years.

So I cannot fault Romney for not going negative. We have heard about Reagan's sunny optimism for 30 years, and how that all Americans want is "Morning in America."

NO. What they want is a celebrity. So we should have run Donald Trump. Seriously, I bet he could have won.

You guys better start figuring out how to win this in 2016 with the celebrity thing, because as God is my witness, I think they will run Michelle Obama.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 04, 2012 08:31 PM (GoIUi)

107 I disagree. The point of a post-mortem is to learn from your mistakes.Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:18 PM (O6q63)OK fluffy, I'll amend. Let the pros worry about it. Maybe you are one. I just donate and vote.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 04, 2012 08:33 PM (1Y+hH)

108 2. The GOPs reluctance to even try to FIGHT. The GOP is like the Condiatari (sp?) era of Italy... a time of stylized combat between profesional mercenary armies... where surrender was quite OK as long as you played honorably....


****

I prefer the honor of the Samurai.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:33 PM (piMMO)

109
Gotta run but go to youtube and search French Moto Journalist Crashes.


You'll be glad you did.

Posted by: Meremortal at December 04, 2012 08:34 PM (1Y+hH)

110 I remember several times during the campaign Mitt had advisors that made incredibly stupid remarks. Etch a Sketch and the woman who talked up Romneycare for example. Mitt never fired these people. I guess that's nice that he was so loyal, but looking back I wonder why people who would say such inept things were allowed to run the campaign. And what other stupid things did they say behind closed doors that we're not aware of?

Yep, Mitt lacked judgment and an understanding of human nature. We kind of saw that in the primaries, a lot of us worried about it. Now we know it was a major factor in the election loss. Not the only factor, but a big one.

Trouble is, there was really no way we were going to get out of having Mitt as our nominee. I think it was baked in the cake by about May 2011.

Posted by: stephie at December 04, 2012 08:34 PM (xG0vx)

111

Mr El Norte,

Now you have poop on your hands. Do you like poop?

Posted by: off topic soothsayer at December 04, 2012 08:35 PM (W0gfD)

112 I'm beginning to buy into this notion of Romney The Robot.

It was Ann and Tagg who pushed Mitt into cleaning Obama's clock in the first debate. He didn't want to. And after the debate, Stevens convinced Romney to back off and be passive and "nice" again, even though the polls after the first debate showed Romney spiking five to seven points.

Romney also faced the same attacks on Bain and "vulture capitalism" every time he ran for office. The fact that he still couldn't defend himself effectively in 2012 is unforgivable.

Let's face it: We were sold a bill of goods. The Romney campaign was dysfunctional and incompetent on many levels. That's not to say that Romney isn't a smart, successful, good man. But he ran a shitty campaign that utterly lacked focus and was sloppy, lazy, and half-assed. They lied to us about their massive ground game. They lied to Romney himself about it.

They hired Paul Ryan and then muzzled him! That's exactly what McCain did with Palin. It proves that the Republican consultants have no idea what they're doing. The next GOP presidential candidate must have nothing to do with Rove, Stevens, Schmidt, and anyone else with a proven track record of failure.

Posted by: Llarry at December 04, 2012 08:36 PM (+QDEz)

113 Let's say Conservatives take the House, Senate, and WH in 2016. Not merely Republicans, but Conservatives.

They enact legislation that starts rolling back Socialism.

The FSA rebels. Chaos.

Democrats return to power in the next two elections.

Seem unlikely? Yep. Look where it started.

The USA is fucked and our next pick for this office and that office doesn't mean shit, win or lose.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 08:36 PM (57VGh)

114 Not a big surprise. The "campaign" was run by management consultants, for management consultants. Overmiseducated talkers, masters of detail, utterly unaware of the big picture.

Posted by: John Von Neumann at December 04, 2012 08:36 PM (khZbv)

115 Yep, Mitt lacked judgment and an understanding of human nature. We kind of saw that in the primaries, a lot of us worried about it. Now we know it was a major factor in the election loss. Not the only factor, but a big one.


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He's an eternal optimist. He is the perfect example of a man so good in his own right that he has trouble seeing that others are not so good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:36 PM (piMMO)

116
the woman who talked up Romneycare for example
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is she the one Ann Coulter demanded resign?

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (85EaA)

117 Another thing, we can't let the M EFFING Media picking who "the" candidate is. They have too much control with reporting or not reporting. Ignoring or attacking. No debate should be moderated by any main media. Placement of candidates, how many questions one receives more than another...ect... It needs to be taken out of the hands of the media and let the people decide with out the media poisoning candidates.

Posted by: Deli LLama at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (lGu1O)

118 I can't wait for baseball season to start up again so we can go back to soothing fights about how much the Yankees suck.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (Gk3SS)

119 They lie, especially to themselves. Have you met them?


I have, and those boys always thank me afterwards. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Posted by: Harry Reid, pederast at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (wR+pz)

120 We ran a good man, a successful man, a *turnaround artist* when that was exactly what we needed. We ran against a bad man with no serious accomplishments, a communist, and a narcissist. We talk all the time about how great the Founders were, and their intentions for this country, etc. Well, one of them said "... give me liberty or give me death." I don't want to run a bad man, a conniving man, a con man and a thief, just so we can win against the same. If that's the choice, then I will grieve for my country, but I will not contrive to replace one evil with another.

Posted by: Pentangle at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (K7tQJ)

121 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:33 PM (piMMO)

I prefer the outlook of the Historical American fighting man... where you did what you needed to do to kill the other guy.... where Doctrine was a SUGGESTION, not a straighjacket... and if you needed to fight dirty... you do so... You WIN, then you go home...

Shit... Sherman's march to the Sea? Washingtons attack at Christmas? Nukes over Japan?

But I don't see any 'Fight' at all in the GOP.... because I don't think they really see the consequences for US, when they fail...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2012 08:38 PM (lZBBB)

122 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is she the one Ann Coulter demanded resign?

*****

Speaking of eating our own.

She may be a nutty bitch for saying out loud what many of us are thinking, but she's OUR nutty bitch.

She isn't running for office and probably never will. She is in the EXACT right place to be an attack dog if we'd stop telling her to STFU.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:39 PM (piMMO)

123 I think it would be nice to get over the simplistic notion of the electorate as being a linear continuum from right to left with so-called "independents" in the middle. It is a false construct. Pandering to "independents" by tacking toward progressivism is the wrong strategy.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 08:40 PM (1OZSU)

124 So I cannot fault Romney for not going negative.

I can.

Letting the kids run wild results in....wild kids.

You attack , correct and win with your rhetoric or you prepare to attack , correct and win with your bayonet (see History, Human).

Romney was a total dick to Repubs , but we have to acknowledge what a "good guy" he was?

History is full of good guys who overestimated themselves, pretended to be tough and got their asses kicked. Romney is now on that list.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:40 PM (EZl54)

125 @101 playing nice.
Only works on the nursery school playground.
Did you know that if you're taken by Somali pirates, if you're nice they'll only rape you in the ass. See, that way, you won't get pregnant. If the jihadis grab you, play nice so they only behead you. Stand up to them, they'll cut off your dick and stick it in your mouth before they behead you. American Socialists? Play nice, and they'll let you have the same drugs they're taking. Dude! Not only will you forget you were ever a Republican, but almost immediately, you'll want to "play nice" with American Socialists.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:40 PM (1V6Pv)

126 Silly Frogs don't know how to drive motorcycles.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at December 04, 2012 08:41 PM (wR+pz)

127 I can't wait for baseball season to start up again so we can go back to soothing fights about how much the Yankees suck.


***

You mean someone argues the other side in that debate?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:41 PM (piMMO)

128 Yeah, positive advertising doesn't work. That's why companies spend billions of dollars on it every year. It's for the write offs. Rarely does the FTC step in though and slap someone's dick for outright lying in ads. It's gotta be blatant.

We don't have an FTC for political campaigns. If we did, all the candidates would all be walking around with sore genitals. Not that I'm advocating for another buncha bureaucrats in yet another agency, just pointing out that political lies are as common as dirt.

Over at WZ, they have a piece saying that OCare is still opposed 52% to 42%. Now how the fuck can the author of OCare win reelection when his crowning achievement is disliked that much?

I don't have an answer to that.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2012 08:41 PM (ccXZP)

129
Person could get discouraged listening to the constant pissing and moaning.

Believe I will take a small hiatus and return some time in the future.

Stay safe, good people.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 04, 2012 08:42 PM (SAMxH)

130 O/T - Go over to Drudge and read how the Govt. has all our emails stored in case they need them.

Here is the tiny
url:
http://tinyurl.com/cdlmda2

Posted by: CarolT at December 04, 2012 08:43 PM (z4WKX)

131 106 "I think you guys forget that the conventional wisdom, which I have heard for years and years, is that Reagan won because he was the sunny optimist who believed in the American people.

That is exactly how Mitt presented himself. Remember "Believe in America?" And his ads were mostly nice happy ads."

I think you make a good point further in your post about how Reagan's celebrity made him more appealing.

As to the nice ads, here in CA in 2010 we witnessed the Meg Whitman campaign which completely saturated everything with positive ads. If money itself could win elections she would have won because she spent a boatload.

In the end, she suffered the same fate as Romney and I think for similar reasons. People just saw her as a rich lady trying to buy the governorship.

I think we underestimate the jealousy and hate the rich factor. We as conservatives don't mind people who are filthy rich, but to much of the population it's a real turnoff. They don't mind somebody who is moderately rich for being an actor or some sort of celebrity, but people who get super super rich in business or finance have an automatic negative against them. We should never, ever run a candidate with that kind of background again.

Donald Trump might be an exception because he's been able to rise above that through sheer aggressiveness and personality. He's become a celebrity in his own right with a compelling story of rises and falls, and so his wealth wouldn't be such a turnoff to people imo.

Posted by: stephie at December 04, 2012 08:43 PM (xG0vx)

132 "No one would have thought of that."

Actually, plenty thought that, they just didn't know how to do it.

Poor example.

Posted by: Actually at December 04, 2012 08:44 PM (Ys6PL)

133 Person could get discouraged listening to the constant pissing and moaning.

Believe I will take a small hiatus and return some time in the future.

Stay safe, good people.

*****

Don't you go anywhere!

More and more the bitching and moaning is restricted the appropriate posts, such as this. AND, then, there is always the ONT.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:44 PM (piMMO)

134 Calling Democrats socialists and baby-killers is just not going to cut it any more.

Its strange that with all the top capitalists supporting Obama, with corporate profits at an all-time high, with the largest increase in the SP 500 of any president ever that anyone believes this "socialist" nonsense.

Unless you live in a bubble.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 08:45 PM (7lRjS)

135 I can't believe we lost.

Here's my shocked face.

Posted by: Andy at December 04, 2012 08:45 PM (OZPoa)

136
But I don't see any 'Fight' at all in the GOP.... because I don't think they really see the consequences for US, when they fail...
T
======
hey don't. They have their piles, pensions and personal security. We're the ones that eat their collegiality.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2012 08:46 PM (85EaA)

137 You mean someone argues the other side in that debate?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:41 PM (piMMO)



Shockingly, yes!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 08:47 PM (Gk3SS)

138 Unless you live in a bubble.
Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 08:45 PM (7lRjS)


Speaking of bubbles...

Posted by: Invictus at December 04, 2012 08:48 PM (OQpzc)

139 Over at WZ, they have a piece saying that OCare is still opposed 52% to
42%. Now how the fuck can the author of OCare win reelection when his
crowning achievement is disliked that much?


I don't know either. Unions? Trilateral commission? Mind control rays?

maybe just the loss of the Western world's capacity to feel shame...

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:48 PM (EZl54)

140 Hind sight is 20/20. Enough of this Monday morning quarterbacking. For
all we know, if Romney release tons of attack ads, his campaign could
have been even worse off than it ended up being. Playing the meek and
mild card may have been the only thing that kept it close.


That's simply not true. He went up in the polls when he mopped the earth with Obama in the first debate. Then he went back down, when he began agreeing with Obama too much and letting him get away with being an asshole.

When Obama said, "Everything the governor just said simply isn't true," Romney should've said, "Mr. President, that's the debating technique of a person who has no response. I'm addressing the specifics of your horrible, failed policies, while you're just issuing blanket statements that absolve you of the responsibility of defending your policies."

Romney should also have said over and over, "I hope you all noticed that the president didn't answer your question. He never does. The reason he doesn't is because he has no answer, and he relies on you to not call him out of it."

John Bolton is a master at it. He demolished John Kerry during Bolton's confirmation hearing as U.N ambassador.

I don't understand why people never call out rude, disrespectful behavior. When Boxer told that general to call her Senator, he should've told her that his use of the term "Ma'am" connotes no disrespect, and her problem with it is entirely her own. He wasn't going to change the way he speaks just because someone is posturing for the cameras.

Would the world end if everybody just started calmly, forcefully calling out the disgusting turds who walk among us?

Posted by: Llarry at December 04, 2012 08:48 PM (+QDEz)

141 "The idea of asking voters what they want and just taking their word for it is so naive I'm having trouble believing someone in politics said this."

They didn't. That's why Romney made a second run for the White House.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at December 04, 2012 08:49 PM (3GtyG)

142 @115 Totally agree with your assessment. To the pure, all things are pure. I have lived a very privileged existence, not necessarily in money, but a very clean living, raised by very clean parents, surrounded by very clean and/or Christian friends. I attended small private schools my entire 17 years of education. I can certainly attest to the fact that no, I am not an alien or a robot. No, I am probably not a relatable person. It is difficult for me to understand some things, and I get people that act like I have lived in a bubble my whole life, and maybe I have, but I'd much rather have my life as it is, bubble included.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at December 04, 2012 08:49 PM (E1Vkf)

143 #124 Hey, all I am telling you is that I have heard numerous people for 30 years talk about the Reagan campaign, and that is what was said about it.

Hell, we now have a governor-elect (Mike Pence) in Indiana who specifically will NOT run a negative campaign, and talks about Reagan as his example.

Frankly, I don't think it matters one way or another if you have one candidate who is a celebrity icon and the other who is not. We laughed about Obama hanging with Jay-Z, The View, Beyonce, Springsteen, etc. etc. and being on TV doing brackets and giving his opinion on sports of all kinds.

Guess what. People identified with him like they did with Reagan, because we live in a celebrity worshipping culture. Mitt could have attacked, and it probably would have ended in a bigger win for Obama because no one likes to see their icon attacked. Look at how defensive people are about the Twilight stars.

Celebrity. Why did Al Franken win? Why is Ashley Judd considering running against Mitch McConnell? Why is there a revolving door for Hollywood people in the Obama White House?




Posted by: Miss Marple at December 04, 2012 08:49 PM (GoIUi)

144 Would the world end if everybody just started calmly, forcefully calling out the disgusting turds who walk among us?

I got thrown in a barrel for doing that earlier...

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (O6q63)

145 Democrats are socialists and baby-killers.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (EZl54)

146 118 I can't wait for baseball season to start up again so we can go back to soothing fights about how much the Yankees suck.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 08:37 PM (Gk3SS)



Allow me to answer. They are Satan.


*still glaring murderously at AtC*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (GEICT)

147 @134 Does calling you a fool cut it?
Words mean things.
Dem.-Commies kill babies. That makes them baby killers.
Dem.-Commies are doing their level best to transform America fundamentally into a womb/tomb Socialist state. (And we haven't even mentioned the tiny killer drones coming soon to GPS coords near you.) That makes them Commies.
Are you taking the same dissociative chemicals the rest of the Commies are taking?

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 08:52 PM (1V6Pv)

148 6Every Stuart I have ever known has been a flaming asshole. Stewart's and Stu's and Stuie's have all been cool. Weird that....Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 07:57 PM (jucos)-----I have neve met a normal guy named "Stuart".

Posted by: Elaine Benes at December 04, 2012 08:53 PM (C942P)

149 I got thrown in a barrel for doing that earlier...

Gotta learn to not care when people throw you in a barrel.

It's amazing what you can accomplish when you're utterly indifferent to the opinions of strangers.


Posted by: Llarry at December 04, 2012 08:54 PM (+QDEz)

150 Some good clips from Mark Levin today at Scoop's.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:54 PM (WVShg)

151 @143

I really don't know. Your point about celebrity worship makes as much sense as anything else.

I just think that 52% of the American electorate convinced themselves that they are infallible and that they can't be wrong.

Somewhere along the way that must have become an appealing quality.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 08:54 PM (EZl54)

152 Totally agree with your assessment. To the pure, all things are pure. I have lived a very privileged existence, not necessarily in money, but a very clean living, raised by very clean parents, surrounded by very clean and/or Christian friends. I attended small private schools my entire 17 years of education. I can certainly attest to the fact that no, I am not an alien or a robot. No, I am probably not a relatable person. It is difficult for me to understand some things, and I get people that act like I have lived in a bubble my whole life, and maybe I have, but I'd much rather have my life as it is, bubble included.

****

You are blessed to have lived such a life. Mine was quite different so I have no trouble casting a doubting eye at others.

Yours is the childhood we all wish could provide for our own children.

I think Mitt Romney is a wonderful man who has the love of an amazing family. He has faith, kindness, and generosity in his life. I could never wish him less.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 08:55 PM (piMMO)

153 >>>I think we underestimate the jealousy and hate the rich factor. We as conservatives don't mind people who are filthy rich, but to much of the population it's a real turnoff.

I think this is very accurate. We admit we are in a bubble, but we still act surprised when life slaps us across the face.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 08:56 PM (q177U)

154 Wait, whaaa...??? New York has a professional baseball team??

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 08:58 PM (1OZSU)

155 *still glaring murderously at AtC*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (GEICT)


Do not act like you don't deserve it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 08:58 PM (Gk3SS)

156 "I got thrown in a barrel for doing that earlier..."

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 08:50 PM (O6q63)

There's a fine line between feeding trolls and hitting back at plain old stupidity. Actually it's a fat line, but nobody says that. A serious troll is just here to stir shit up. Most of the leftist cock-warbles are not smart enough to committed enough to be serious trolls.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 08:58 PM (WVShg)

157 Yes, human beings lie to themselves all the time. Right now, the biggest lie humans are telling themselves is this revisionist history that the negative ads and the 47% comment is why Romney "lost" the election. After all summer, after the 47% comment, in mid-October Romney was ahead of Obama in Gallup 53 to 45. Romney stays at or above 50% in Gallup there after until -- all of a sudden after Gallup stopped polling the week after Sandy, the Monday before the election comes and Romney/ Obama are TIED 49/49. Add to that the fact that the last month Obama only held rallies in liberal places (usually college campuses) and had anemic crowds (even with his back up singers Springsteen Jay-Z opening) and the night before the election he was literally slumped over the podium, tears running down his cheek, rambling about it being his "last election" while Romney's crowds were over-capacity (many waiting in the cold rain to see him), full of enthusiasm and the night before the election cheering so long he couldn't start his speech for 10 minutes.
Something happened between election eve and election day -- and it wasn't the negative ads over the summer nor the 47% tape released mid-September. But please, lets continue lying to ourselves about it, otherwise people will think your nuts.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 08:59 PM (w3JGl)

158
Playing the meek and
mild card may have been the only thing that kept it close.


Jeezus. Talk about "beaten wife syndrome." In addition to being earth-shatteringly wrong.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 04, 2012 08:59 PM (6j+mQ)

159 Its strange that with all the top capitalists supporting Obama, with corporate profits at an all-time high, with the largest increase in the SP 500 of any president ever that anyone believes this "socialist" nonsense.

Herbert is on to something here about capitalists supporting Obama.

What is that ugly little word for a version of socialism where corporations still retain ownership but the government has control?

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (O6q63)

160 Another reason you guys lost that you won't talk about - Bush.

The country loathes him and blames him for most of our problems today - wars, deficits, job losses, corruption, and general ineptness.

The GOP won't even let him speak at either of the last two conventions.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (7lRjS)

161 134
Calling Democrats socialists and baby-killers is just not going to cut it any more.

Yeah, baby. Just like a bundle of sticks...

Posted by: Ghost of Mussolini at December 04, 2012 09:00 PM (fDGF1)

162 Its strange that with all the top capitalists supporting Obama, with corporate profits at an all-time high, with the largest increase in the SP 500 of any president ever that anyone believes this "socialist" nonsense.

You're right.

It's much more like fascism

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:01 PM (LoWG+)

163 #153 My democrat sister called me on Sunday on her way to work. I have not spoken to her about the election.

SHE brought it up, of course. And what she said was how ridiculous it was that Romney told people that the taxes shouldn't go up because of people not being able to hire people. She said EVERY rich person she knows, and those her friends know, only talked about how they didn't want taxes to go up. (She works commission sales in designer clothing at a high end department store. She doesn't really know rich people, they are her customers.)

She went on and on about how greedy they are and how she thought Romney was a fool for saying this about jobs. I finally told her that Obama won so I thought we should go ahead and taaax the rich and then we would know, once and for all, if it works, since so far everything else Obama has done has not worked at all.

My point is that you are right. In a secular culture which has not been taught that envy is a sin and to be avoided, envy has taken root and it is almost impossible to convince people that taking rich people's money will not make their lives better; in fact, they don't care as long as they get to stick it to them.

Celebrities, of course, are the exception.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (GoIUi)

164 155 Do not act like you don't deserve it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 08:58 PM (Gk3SS)




Do you know why I'm glaring?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (GEICT)

165 Most people loathe Herbert the Hineyhumper and blame him for 97% of the pedophilia in America.....

wow ! being a lefty is EASY!

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:04 PM (EZl54)

166 I am willing to believe that the test focused approach to winning the election was the path chosen and that path was wrong.
Smartest guys in the rooms tend to listen to other smart guys in the room, not realizing that this may not be the smartest thing to do.

All us hindsight types probably (would've) said that Romney should push back. Not just against the idiotic monopoly man stuff but against everything. Not that obama is a nice guy who accidentally done wrong but a bad person doing bad things who lies about everything (then again, this didn't work for Kerry against W).

Joeindc's path to sucess was cultural confidence. Don't accept premises, don't apologize for George W or Sara P. Push the vision and so on.

oh well, we seemed smart a week before election.

Posted by: joeindc44 part III the stutter cluster fuckering at December 04, 2012 09:04 PM (3zQJl)

167 Do you know why I'm glaring?Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (GEICT)

Trying to see her boobehs?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:04 PM (LoWG+)

168 Most people loathe Herbert the Hineyhumper and blame him for 97% of the pedophilia in America.....

wow ! being a lefty is EASY!

***

hee

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (piMMO)

169 Do you know why I'm glaring?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:03 PM (GEICT)



Oh it could be so many things! But whatever it was, I'm an innocent lamb. *gambols about*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (Gk3SS)

170 There's a fine line between feeding trolls and hitting back at plain old stupidity.

He knows my question. I don't have to ask him; he has it memorized. He didn't stick around.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (O6q63)

171
"38Mittens sat on a huge pile of dough and didn't spend it until the final weeks of the campaign. I think we all thought him quite smart at the time."


Yes, we did. We thought EVERYTHING he did was smart at the time. Any attempt to question what he did was shouted down because we were so damned sure that we knew what was going to happen. "But what about medical--" "NO! The Economy is the issue!" "But immigr--" "NO! We have to talk about the Economy!" "But what about the border fen--" "NO! Can't you hear? The Economy! The Economy is what people care about! The Economy is the Answer!"Attempts to branch out into other areas *that we knew were hot topics for our side* were stamped out ruthlessly because we had convinced ourselves that we could win it all with just one egg in one basket.

I don't know just what my point is, except that we've discovered through this election that our campaign was being run in a country of our imagination, not America. That place we thought we understood and didn't. I think it's good that that realization has sobered up a lot of people on the Right. What they do with it, is an open question.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at December 04, 2012 09:06 PM (FkH4y)

172 167 Trying to see her boobehs?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:04 PM (LoWG+)



Normally, yes.



169 Oh it could be so many things! But whatever it was, I'm an innocent lamb. *gambols about*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:05 PM (Gk3SS)



Mother. Fucking. Yanni.

That was just uncalled for.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:07 PM (GEICT)

173 The real problem is that only 41% of those eligible to vote actually went to vote, the people that voted, are the ones that should have stayed home.
Does anyone know where to find demographics on race, age, income, state, religious affiliation and all the other data to see who stayed home?

JEF also had a better GOTV system, we were laughing because no one had shown up to see Stevie Wonder, but they were bussed to vote!

Posted by: CarolT at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (z4WKX)

174 160
Another reason you guys lost

Yip, you are right. The leftists pretty much destroyed Bush by calling him a rich white guy. Nonstop. For eight years. Because rich and white are un-cool.

Posted by: Lou Farrakhan at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (fDGF1)

175 That was just uncalled for.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:07 PM (GEICT)


The fuck it was uncalled for. You totally deserve it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (Gk3SS)

176 I don't know just what my point is, except that we've discovered through this election that our campaign was being run in a country of our imagination, not America. That place we thought we understood and didn't. I think it's good that that realization has sobered up a lot of people on the Right. What they do with it, is an open question.

***

It was our imagination, it was our memory.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (piMMO)

177 Never fails.

Friggin typos.

Posted by: K~Bob at December 04, 2012 09:09 PM (WVShg)

178 A significant proportion of the population are willing serfs. They just want to "go along, get along," and the more we let the left poison the popular culture against us the less of them who will be willing to vote for us. Pretty simple. Trying to tell them why they should vote for us (e.g. white board lecture style, etc) is not enough. We have to show them that it's socially acceptable as well. "Cool."

Pretty fucking stupid, but so is most of the electorate.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at December 04, 2012 09:09 PM (BgIBZ)

179 The country loathes him and blames him for most of our problems today - wars, deficits, job losses, corruption, and general ineptness.

Hi Herbie!
How is Obama handling the Middle East? Great to hear it.

Do you know when all of NYC will have electricity? No? Don't feel bad; neither does Obama.
Unemployment avg under Clinton: 5.21%

Unemployment avg under Bush: 5.29%

You know those awful Bush tax cuts? The ones Obama extended? Guess who wants to extend them again?

Say hi to the kids on the short bus.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:10 PM (O6q63)

180 wasn't our imagination

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 09:10 PM (piMMO)

181 The American People will never accept reality until they have no choice.

That is why this rotten thing must burn.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2012 09:11 PM (57VGh)

182 162

Thanks, SB.

Posted by: Ghost of Mussolini at December 04, 2012 09:11 PM (fDGF1)

183 @171--we've discovered through this election that our campaign was being run in a country of our imagination, not America.

*****

This thought has occurred to me since the election. While progressives dream of a future idealized perfect world that will never exist, I have to wonder if we conservatives pine for an idealized past.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 09:11 PM (1OZSU)

184 >>>Most people loathe Herbert the Hineyhumper and blame him for 97% of the pedophilia in America.....

Do I still get my 91% share of the beastiality? Because I'm a winner, and you're all newbcakes.

Posted by: Ololaf at December 04, 2012 09:12 PM (0BPlb)

185 The Dems figured out how to get the people who don't care, to vote for them.

End of Story.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (Y5I9o)

186 175 The fuck it was uncalled for. You totally deserve it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:08 PM (Gk3SS)




No one deserves Yanni.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (GEICT)

187 The main problem with Romney was the same as most of the GOP establishment, he was unprincipled.

Did he ever make a statement of principles such as, I will not raise taxes - Period?

No he never did that.

Did he ever say he would unequivically repeal ObamaCare?

No he never did that.

On issues after issue he though the mere fact he was not Obama was enough, he could never articulate clear defining, conservative principles because at his core he has none.

He and Ryan also severely undercut their own message time after time by stipulating that Obama inherited a tough situation.

Combine that with allowing yourself to be a punching bag for 4 months and you have a recipe for a losing campaign.

Note to future GOP Presidential candidates, ABACP - ALWAYS BE ARTICULATING CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (0fxcV)

188 Its strange that with all the top capitalists supporting Obama, with
corporate profits at an all-time high, with the largest increase in the
SP 500 of any president ever that anyone believes this "socialist"
nonsense.


It's not strange at all. Dominique Strauss-Kahn is a millionaire socialist who lives in a castle and stays only in five-star hotels. Lawrence O'Donnell self-identifies as a socialist and lives in a mall-sized house and wears $2000 shoes.

Senator Bernie Sanders is a socialist who benefits from his ability to engage in insider trading and pocketed a huge advance for his book.

Bill Ayers is a self-identified socialist who is an heir. Michael Moore is a self-identified socialist who lies about his investments, has a mansion and an apartment on Fifth Avenue in New York, and eats only in five-star restaurants.

Most socialists believe in imposing socialism on others while being allowed to amass as much wealth as they can for themselves. It's the nature of the beast.

Posted by: Llarry at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (+QDEz)

189 I have to wonder if we conservatives pine for an idealized past.

I'm sure most of us do, to some extent or another.

Fuckin Chinese and their 'interesting times'

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (O6q63)

190 No one deserves Yanni.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (GEICT)



Au contraire, mon ami.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:15 PM (Gk3SS)

191 No one deserves Yanni.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (GEICT)__ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___ ___That's a cold shot baby

Posted by: Stevie Ray Vaughan at December 04, 2012 09:15 PM (1Y+hH)

192 Trying to sell the concepts of liberty and free enterprise to Americans is like trying to sell ice to Eskimos.

Why?

They are rolling in it. Even in Obamerica, average Americans are comparatively swimming in freedom.

No one can sell it to them. Until they aren't swimming in it any longer.


LiB

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:16 PM (EZl54)

193 No one deserves Yanni.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:13 PM (GEICT)

I just had a visual of you going all James T. Kirk.

Yaaaaaaaaannnnnnniiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:16 PM (LoWG+)

194
And surprise surprise, they said "Plans for the future."


How come no one plans for the past?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2012 09:17 PM (4u2LN)

195 I was going to wait until the next thread comes up to post this so that no one would see this, but I might get lucky.
Re: the election result, we're being Cronkited. Cronkite, a Commie-fag-junkie journo, came on TV after the Tet offensive of 1968 and told us we'd lost. In fact, the Cong were effectively crushed, and never really showed their faces again. The NVA was our adversary from that point on, and the real war was a political one waged in DC, Moscow, and Paris. (Not to take anything away from the stark heroism of our boys over there. But in terms of outcome, we won engagement after engagement after engagement in the field, but the fag-junkies gave it to the Commies. around the table.)
The dinosaur media are the enemy now.
There can be no pretext under which the Dem.-Commies can masquerade as anything other than Commie-fag-junkies.
Many Rethuglicans are clueless at best. They don't even get that our local enemy doesn't even need to behead anyone, much less cut off their cocks and stick them in their mouths before they behead them. Sheikh effin' Ellison is in his 2nd term in the U.S. House, and we'll have an actual dyke in the Senate. Nearly all of them are on some psychoactive (not alcohol, the weird stuff) substance or other. I'm just getting started.
They want you to give up,and/or play nice. They don't want you to get a bayonet for your AR. They don't even want you to get an AR, much less a Saiga 12 with a high-cap mag filled with 3" shells of #4 buck.
They want you to take their drugs, and play nice.
Don't nuke the baby seals.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:17 PM (1V6Pv)

196 >>He and Ryan also severely undercut their own message time after time by stipulating that Obama inherited a tough situation.

This. One of the biggest problems conservative politicians have is that they accept the premises of the left. I don't know why they think that will ever work in their favor. If we want to change hearts and minds, we have to start tearing down the premises.

Posted by: stephie at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (xG0vx)

197 188

None of those are elected Democrats, Llarry.

That is a pure non sequitor.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (7lRjS)

198 190 Au contraire, mon ami.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:15 PM (Gk3SS)



I never took you as a dark anD CRUEL QUEEN!!!!


Sorry. Geekness overwhelmed me.



193 I just had a visual of you going all James T. Kirk.

Yaaaaaaaaannnnnnniiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:16 PM (LoWG+)



Picture less Kirk, more Scanners.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (GEICT)

199 Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 09:14 PM (0fxcV)

**************************************************

You didn't pay one bit of attention to the entire election -- Romney unequivically stated both that he wouldn't raise taxes and he would fully repeal Obamacare *several* times -- at every stump speech even --and certainly at the first debate. In fact, re: the tax thing, the MSM raked him over the coals when he said in an interview the he would not even accept raising taxes $1 for every $10 in spending cuts (or some ratio -- could have been raise taxes $1 for every $5 in cuts) -- oh, Romney was JUST CRAZY for not agreeing to raise taxes in that scenario the MSM said.

And yet here you come, having obviously only paid attention to out of context quotes reported on sites run by butt hurt ABRs and you think Romney *never once* unequivably stated either thing, proving there are just as many low information on the right as there are on the left.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:20 PM (w3JGl)

200 Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:17 PM (1V6Pv)

Pro tip: Incoherent rants are not immediately identifiable as such when punctuation and paragraphs breaks are used.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:20 PM (LoWG+)

201 What is past is prologue.

Don't plan for the past; use the past as a guide into the future. That is the fundamental nature of conservatism.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 09:20 PM (1OZSU)

202 You don't think politicians and their handlers don't do focus groups Ace? Please. It may be in this case they "didn't work" but oftentimes they do reveal opinions the greater public is holding. Frank Luntz has done some pretty good work on this as we have seen. Not that you should take them as gospel, but they are factored in.

Posted by: Ken Royall at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (x0g8a)

203 200 Pro tip: Incoherent rants are not immediately identifiable as such when punctuation and paragraphs breaks are used.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:20 PM (LoWG+)




Block text gets auto scroll-bye from me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (GEICT)

204 It's easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback, but it wasn't delusional to think Romney was going to win. Both Gallup and Rasmussen had Romney ahead nationally for about the last 3 weeks of the election after the debates. Romney's internal polls showed them with a likely win, and you could clearly tell Team Obama thought they were losing.

Had the conservative coalition that showed up from 2004 made it to the polls in 2012, it would have been an epic stomping, but they didn't. All they had to do was slightly outperform McCain and they would have won handily. If you asked any poll guru, even the supposedly infallible Nate Silver, that all Republicans would have to do is outperform McCain's turnout by one point and we'd win, they'd say that was a given.

Why didn't they show up? I don't think there's a clear answer. I do think the Mormonism thing played a bit of a role, I know through anecdotes a handful of idiots in my outer circle let it affect them. I also think our side was way too pessimistic, I would say 99% of my Republican friends were dead certain Romney was going to lose, that sort of pessimism takes a toll on a candidate.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (XDRsa)

205
I just had a visual of you going all James T. Kirk.



Yaaaaaaaaannnnnnniiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:16 PM (LoWG+)


Khan is actually on SciFi right now.



I never took you as a dark anD CRUEL QUEEN!!!!




Uh huh. Sure you didn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (Gk3SS)

206 You didn't pay one bit of attention to the entire election -- Romney unequivically stated both that he wouldn't raise taxes
---
Romney did not lay out a specific tax plan, but he *did* say he was going to fiddle with deductions for the rich (ie: they'd pay higher taxes).

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:23 PM (5H6zj)

207 Frontier gibberish trumps unarmed Loyalist. Every time.
It's only gibberish if you don't speak the language.
Praise God, I'm polyglot.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:23 PM (1V6Pv)

208 183 >> This thought has occurred to me since the election. While progressives
dream of a future idealized perfect world that will never exist, I have
to wonder if we conservatives pine for an idealized past.

Seamus, there's quite a bit of truth in that. Conserve(ative), as in keep things the way they are. Progress(ive), as in move Forward. But still they trotted out Clinton, their own bit of nostalgia.

They see a door and want to go through it, with no idea what's on the other side or even why it is there. Sometimes disaster lies on the other side, but by golly we gotta do this. It might be cool on the other side.

We see a door and ask 'Who built it? Why is it here? Is it safe on the other side?' It's a more methodical approach, it's less disaster prone, but it does resist change somewhat.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (ccXZP)

209 ...the 40% Loyalist population in the late 18th-c....
Forty. Per. Cent.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (1V6Pv)

210 None of those are elected Democrats, Llarry. That is a pure non sequitor. Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 09:19 PM (7lRjS)

There are two flags on the play

Penalty number 197, moving the goal posts, 15 yards, automatic first down

Number197, incorrect use of Latin phrase, 10 yards, this will be enforced on the ensuing thread.

Please reset the game clock to 09:19.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (LoWG+)

211 Nope. Not elected Democrats.

They are Obama leg humpers, and cryptoMarxist propaganda drones... much like Herbal Homohuffer.


Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (EZl54)

212 Had the conservative coalition that showed up from 2004 made it to the polls in 2012, it would have been an epic stomping, but they didn't. All they had to do was slightly outperform McCain and they would have won handily.

---

Do you have a link showing that the folks who didn't turn out were conservatives? Because in terms of raw votes, Romney has passed McCain (by 750K iirc).

My personal hunch is that the Independents, for whom he designed his campaign, did not turn out for him.

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (5H6zj)

213 205 Uh huh. Sure you didn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (Gk3SS)



Yes, true. But Yanni makes even Sauron flinch.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (GEICT)

214 butt-welded Barky nipples for sale, buy 2 get 1 free.

Posted by: Killerdog at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (EcMtD)

215 get a room already.

Posted by: grease monkey at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (VSWPU)

216 Yes, true. But Yanni makes even Sauron flinch.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (GEICT)


Then you shouldn't have done that bad thing you did, should you?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (Gk3SS)

217 Lay off Mitt. He worked his butt off. The primary - to eliminate the unelectables - went on too long.

Posted by: Terry Gain at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (Xri0e)

218 I never took you as a dark anD CRUEL QUEEN!!!!


You must be new here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (LoWG+)

219 [i[Number197, incorrect use of Latin phrase, 10 yards, this will be enforced on the ensuing thread.

You missed a flag, Referee Bannion. After moving the goalposts, he claimed commenter had missed the upright when, in fact, he had made the goal cleanly.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (O6q63)

220 I also think our side was way too pessimistic, I
would say 99% of my Republican friends were dead certain Romney was
going to lose, that sort of pessimism takes a toll on a candidate.


Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 09:22 PM (XDRsa)

********************************************
Which is why team Obama (and the MSM -- but I repeat myself) pounded so hard, every week that the race was OVER!! No way, no how could Romney win.
In fact, George Will, Ben Domenech and Bill Kristol (plus other commentators who are allegedly on our side) were saying as of January 2012 that there was NO WAY Obama could be beat, so GOP should just concentrate on Congressional races. (I bring this up to point out that these commentators are not, actually on our side, so jumping on the "blame Romney" bandwagon they're pushing now is not in our best interest).
Besides -- I know what I saw that from October 2, 2012 up to election eve.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (w3JGl)

221 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2012 09:24 PM (ccXZP)

****

Yeah, I agree that conservatism is more grounded in reality and actual measurable outcomes than progressivism. Tofigure out how to getwhere you are going it helps to knowhow you got to where you are. (see my #201).

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 09:28 PM (1OZSU)

222 216 Then you shouldn't have done that bad thing you did, should you?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:26 PM (Gk3SS)




I got horror movie'd and Yanni'd. That's some overwhelmingly bad shit right there.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:28 PM (GEICT)

223 The conservative coalition of 2004 would have lost if 150,000 votes in Ohio had turned.

And that is the only GOP popular vote victory since 1988.

Seriously - the GOP needs to dump the SoCons and go Libertarian. I suggest this out of pure self-interest for the USA.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 09:29 PM (7lRjS)

224 You missed a flag, Referee Bannion. After moving the goalposts, he claimed commenter had missed the upright when, in fact, he had made the goal cleanly. Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:27 PM (O6q63)

Since it was in the last 20 min before the ONT it is automatically reviewable upstairs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:29 PM (LoWG+)

225 Shocking news -- Volt sales fall by 50% in November from October levels. Never in my wildest dreams could I have imagined such an outcome. It's inpossible!

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 04, 2012 09:30 PM (ccXZP)

226 Do you have a link showing that the folks who didn't
turn out were conservatives? Because in terms of raw votes, Romney has
passed McCain (by 750K iirc).



My personal hunch is that the Independents, for whom he designed his campaign, did not turn out for him.

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (5H6zj)

*******************************************************According to polls, Romney won Independents by +5 -- how much better people expected him to do I don't know.
What I do know is that people who stayed home TWICE now with Obama at the top of the Dem ticket are not part of the Republican "base" so I'm dropping that pretense.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:30 PM (w3JGl)

227 The primary - to eliminate the unelectables - went on too long.

disagree. one more should have been eliminated.

Mitt the Squish

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:31 PM (EZl54)

228 224 Since it was in the last 20 min before the ONT it is automatically reviewable upstairs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:29 PM (LoWG+)




Booth Ref doesn't know what the fuck y'all are talking about. Ruling on the field stands.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:31 PM (GEICT)

229 225 "Shocking" news--Volt...

*****

ISWYDT

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (1OZSU)

230 What I do know is that people who stayed home TWICE now with Obama at the top of the Dem ticket are not part of the Republican "base" so I'm dropping that pretense.

---

Do you have a link?

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (5H6zj)

231 @223 and you're hoping to be the chair of the "temporary marriage" committee. Which guy gets which little kid as a "temporary" spouse, and for how long. Hey, it's "la ley".
Or, are you even more typical, and only wish to be in charge of the tiny killer drone horde?

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (1V6Pv)

232 Since it was in the last 20 min before the ONT it is automatically reviewable upstairs.

Let's go to the replay:

None of those are elected Democrats, Llarry in response to...

Senator Bernie Sanders is a socialist who benefits from his ability to engage in insider trading and pocketed a huge advance for his book.

I think we may have a game misconduct situation here.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (O6q63)

233 Romney did not lay out a specific tax plan, but he
*did* say he was going to fiddle with deductions for the rich (ie:
they'd pay higher taxes).

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:23 PM (5H6zj)

*************************************************First, that wasn't the assertion. The poster asserted that Romney never stated he would not raise taxes.
Second, that isn't what Romney said either -- he said he would lower rates 20% and eliminate deductions exclusive to the higher income people so that they would pay THE SAME AMOUNT OF TAXES.
"Same" doesn't mean "higher."

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:33 PM (w3JGl)

234 Seriously - the GOP needs to dump the SoCons and go Libertarian. I suggest this out of pure self-interest for the USA.

I think you may want to join the libertarian party then.

If pure libertarian is such an effective strategy, why don't libertarians win elections?

It's almost as if all the votes come from SoCons, and the 'moderates' are a pain in the ass liability who constantly badmouth their own party.

I'm so sick of the moderates pushing this ditch the SoCons crap.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 09:33 PM (uhAkr)

235 @199

Romney talked about repeal and replace of ObamaCare which is completely unacceptable as it buys into the Progs premise that health care is somehow a right that the federal government must guarantee.

GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IS THE MAIN PROBLEM WE FACE NOT TOO LITTLE GOVERNMENT

Romneys tax plan should have been the following - I will not raise taxes, I will not monkey with tax rates, I will not burden the business community and I will work tirelessly to lower taxes on - EVERYONE!

Instead we got crap about closing loopholes, tax credits, etc.


MITT ROMNEY, SHITTIER THAN MCCAIN, WHO KNEW!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (0fxcV)

236 posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:32 PM (5H6zj)

*********************

A link to my personal opinion? Yeah -- here it is:

http://minx.cc/?post=335440



Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (w3JGl)

237 226
Do you have a link showing that the folks who didn't

turn out were conservatives? Because in terms of raw votes, Romney has

passed McCain (by 750K iirc).





My personal hunch is that the Independents, for whom he designed his campaign, did not turn out for him.



Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:25 PM (5H6zj)

*******************************************************According
to polls, Romney won Independents by +5 -- how much better people
expected him to do I don't know.
What I do know is that people who
stayed home TWICE now with Obama at the top of the Dem ticket are not
part of the Republican "base" so I'm dropping that pretense.


Posted by: angienc

According to exit polls, Kerry won most independents, Bush's victory was almost purely because of Republican turnout.

Again, I would have thought that was a given, Romney enthusiasm in my area was MUCh higher tha Bush enthusiasm was in 2004.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (XDRsa)

238 SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (Reuters) - Illinois took a major step on
Tuesday toward granting drivers
licenses to illegal
immigrants, which would make it the most populous U.S. state to allow
undocumented migrants to legally drive.

The Democratic-controlled state
Senate voted 41-14 to approve licenses for illegal immigrants to raucous
cheers from Hispanics in the legislative gallery.


And so it begins.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (1IZ53)

239 Booth Ref doesn't know what the fuck y'all are talking about. Ruling on the field stands.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:31 PM (GEICT)

Personal foul, number 228, unnecessary roughness. Into the barrel at the spot of the foul, automatic first down.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (LoWG+)

240 Hammy Hobohoover is a PAULTARD?



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:35 PM (EZl54)

241 Booth Ref doesn't know what the fuck y'all are talking about. Ruling on the field stands.

I have a copy of 'Yanni at the Acropolis' and I'm not afraid to play it.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:35 PM (O6q63)

242 According to this Slate article, Rs are outnumbered by Ds. So winning Indies did not matter.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/11/
romney_exit_polls_he_won_independents_white_women_and_middle_income_voters.html

What I am looking for is evidence that Republicans stayed home, either because of the Mormon factor, which some are still asserting, or because of some other factor, that some seem to believe caused McCain to lose. I haven't seen that data.

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:35 PM (5H6zj)

243 Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (0fxcV)

Like I said: you're proof that not all the low information voters are on the left.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:36 PM (w3JGl)

244 Remix, remix, unh, unh...
Yeah, Romney was the worst. No duh. With the exception of Barack Hussein Obama.
People who didn't act on that basis should be killed. Preferably in a fiery car crash with a locked seat belt. Jus' sayin....

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:36 PM (1V6Pv)

245 239
Personal foul, number 228, unnecessary roughness. Into the barrel at the spot of the foul, automatic first down.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:34 PM (LoWG+)




Booth ref says to stuff it, he's been in the damn barrel all day, horror movie'd and Yanni'd.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:37 PM (GEICT)

246 238 SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (Reuters) - Illinois took a major step on Tuesday toward granting drivers licenses to illegal
immigrants, which would make it the most populous U.S. state to allow undocumented migrants to legally drive t-bone you at at intersection in a piece of shit Camry without insurance


FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:37 PM (LoWG+)

247 Oh, and btw, Cronkite/Tet, Cronkite/Tet, Cronkite/Tet.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:38 PM (1V6Pv)

248 hey angienc,

good thing the Dhimmis ran Barak "Moderate" Obama who totally ignored his base...

oh wait....

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:39 PM (EZl54)

249 The GOP should legalize drugs, gay marriage, and denounce American Imperialism.

The under 40 vote would be won for a generation.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 09:40 PM (7lRjS)

250 247 Oh, and btw, Cronkite/Tet, Cronkite/Tet, Cronkite/Tet.


It's OK folks, just a bad acid trip. It'll be OK. Can someone get him some orange juice? Gotta keep the blood sugar up.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:41 PM (LoWG+)

251 Dumb Statement From Romney Advisor

--Do we really need the modifier "dumb" anymore?

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2012 09:41 PM (gBuIk)

252 >>>" I don't know just what my point is, except that we've discovered through this election that our campaign was being run in a country of our imagination, not America. "

Strangely beautiful, in a heartbreaking kind of way.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 09:41 PM (q177U)

253 BC, what the ever loving hell did you do to the Yanni treatment?

I bet you messed with AtC while she was supervising the Minions polishing her royal stompy boots. I'm right, aren't I?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 09:42 PM (Ai+tZ)

254 BC, what the ever loving hell did you do to the Yanni treatment?

It was the "biggest spider in the world" pic which was advertised as a Boobeh pic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:43 PM (LoWG+)

255 @250 Seamus O'Bannion... Don't take my word for it, fool. Do your own research. Since you're so close, just call Sen. Kerry's office and ask them how we lost that war.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:43 PM (1V6Pv)

256 What I am looking for is evidence that Republicans stayed home, either
because of the Mormon factor, which some are still asserting, or because
of some other factor, that some seem to believe caused McCain to lose. I
haven't seen that data.
Posted by: Y-not


There's not going to be a single, silver bullet answer. I think it was a combination of a lot of little factors.

But if we're going by Exit Polls, Romney won independents by 5 points and Bush lost independents to Kerry by around 1 point. I don't think it's a leap of logic to say had Romney turned out Bush 2004 coalition and won independents by 5 points, it would have been a landslide.

Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 09:44 PM (XDRsa)

257 253 BC, what the ever loving hell did you do to the Yanni treatment?

I bet you messed with AtC while she was supervising the Minions polishing her royal stompy boots. I'm right, aren't I?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 09:42 PM (Ai+tZ)



She YouTube linked and it led to me seeing a trailer for a freaky horror slash film. She laughed at my discomfort. I retaliated with a big motherfuckin spider disguised as a peace offering. She Yanni'd.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:45 PM (GEICT)

258 255 @250 Seamus O'Bannion... Don't take my word for it, fool. Do your own research. Since you're so close, just call Sen. Kerry's office and ask them how we lost that war.
Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:43 PM (1V6Pv)


I will take your advice when you achieve coherence.

Or sentience.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:45 PM (LoWG+)

259 The bottom line is this. No Republican president could get through the reforms needed to save our ass fiscally. We have to let it burn. Obama brings judgment day closer so I am for that at this point. He will kill what's left of the economy and bring about a debt crisis. Why not let liberalism take the fall for that? It's coming either way.

Posted by: Ken Royall at December 04, 2012 09:46 PM (x0g8a)

260 258 I will take your advice when you achieve coherence.

Or sentience.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:45 PM (LoWG+)




August 29th?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (GEICT)

261 She YouTube linked and it led to me seeing a trailer
for a freaky horror slash film. She laughed at my discomfort. I
retaliated with a big motherfuckin spider disguised as a peace offering.
She Yanni'd.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:45 PM (GEICT)



Or, in other words, he totally deserved it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (Gk3SS)

262 Seriously, bitches, if a poor dumb fuck like myself needs to qualify allusions to the perfidy of a Commie-fag-junkie like Cronkite/Tet, absolutely alphabet-song elementary for patriots, we may just as well turn our 1000-yard rifles over to Sheikh Ellison's office. At least the jihadis are committed.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (1V6Pv)

263 49.9 % are to the left of 100.

Posted by: Bell Curve at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (fDGF1)

264 Just as Jordan as greeted with "Is the Texas legislature in session?", whe should greet Herbert with "Who appointed Bernie Sanders to the Senate?"

Olaf/Jon/Dog Blower should be queried about his share of the national debt.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (O6q63)

265 Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:39 PM (EZl54)

Maybe I should state this another way:

The Republican base came out, IMO. I can cut people slack for 2008 - even though it was apparent to me that Obama was an America-hating commie, other people didn't really know who he was and having been burned by GWB's excess spending on the wars they stayed home out of disgust. But *after* 4 years of Obama? No -- they aren't the GOP base. They are whiny prima donnas waiting for their 100% pure ideal candidate before they can be bothered to get their asses to the polls and until he shows up they will cause division among the ranks to the best of their ability.

Most importantly, the "base" shows up to vote.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (w3JGl)

266 So, like if the Cuban missile crisis had gone sideways on us? But with spiders. And Yanni.

So, about 3x worse than the worst possible outcome of the CMC?

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 09:48 PM (Ai+tZ)

267 261 Or, in other words, he totally deserved it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 09:47 PM (Gk3SS)



Keep it up. I'm gonna sock you and start a debate with Thorvald.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (GEICT)

268 But if we're going by Exit Polls, Romney won independents by 5 points and Bush lost independents to Kerry by around 1 point.

What are the raw numbers though? Did Independents turn out to vote or did he just win the majority of a smaller group?

My irritation is the blame being assigned to members of the Republican party or "base," if you will. Team Romney chose a particular strategy - to court Indies, middle class, white women - and it did not work. Is it because a lot of conservatives stayed home or was GOP turnout down overall or did the groups he targeted not turnout?

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (5H6zj)

269 Seriously, bitches, if a poor dumb fuck like myself...

I think you see our point now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (LoWG+)

270 The bottom line is this. No Republican president could get through the reforms needed to save our ass fiscally. We have to let it burn. Obama brings judgment day closer so I am for that at this point. He will kill what's left of the economy and bring about a debt crisis. Why not let liberalism take the fall for that? It's coming either way.
Posted by: Ken Royall at December 04, 2012 09:46 PM (x0g8a)

Sometimes government GROWS from a crisis. As the situation spirals, Obama might seek more power, and he might achieve it. We'd be foolish not to accept that as a possibility.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 09:50 PM (q177U)

271 Thorvald, formatting goes a long way.

Yes, I read the whole thing.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:50 PM (O6q63)

272 269 I think you see our point now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:49 PM (LoWG+)




I thought points were taken away from us?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:51 PM (GEICT)

273 But if we're going by Exit Polls, Romney won independents by 5 points
and Bush lost independents to Kerry by around 1 point. I don't think
it's a leap of logic to say had Romney turned out Bush 2004 coalition
and won independents by 5 points, it would have been a landslide.


Romney got a greater ratio of independents, but from what I understand fewer independents voted. They looked at the candidates and didn't see a reason to vote - Mitt was a Wall Street raider and Obama is a fucktard who lied to them.

They didn't think it really mattered. Minorities however retained their very high turnout rates. The result was a shellacking for the northeastern moderate (a very common fate for them).

And fraud, of course. But then if a Democrat commits fraud and no Republican raises a stink, did fraud exist?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 09:52 PM (uhAkr)

274 I thought points were taken away from us?

They were. It's just that bastard Johnson and this damn war!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:53 PM (LoWG+)

275 I thought points were taken away from us?

♫ She had points all her own, sitting way up high ♪

Posted by: Bob Seger at December 04, 2012 09:53 PM (trw4I)

276 I have enough sentience to express a sentiment in a sentence that makes sense, since a seance is not science.




Oh Lord...stop me before I post again!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 09:54 PM (1OZSU)

277 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 09:52 PM

Thanks. That's what I guessed might have happened.

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:54 PM (5H6zj)

278 >>>Seriously - the GOP needs to dump the SoCons and go Libertarian. I suggest this out of pure self-interest for the USA.

Maybe you should ask President Ron Paul how well that strategy will pay off.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 04, 2012 09:54 PM (0BPlb)

279 @258 What most people know, and the Irish refuse to admit, is that their main problem is that they were colonized by Vikings. Thus, they look like white people, for the most part.
The strangest part of Europe, outside the Muzzie areas like Serbia, Albania, and European Turkey, many arrondissements of Paris, Oslo, and Stockholm, is that to many Irishmen want only the denouement of perfidious Albion/Measured Reason.
It's a potato thing.
Can you say "late blight"? I think you can.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (1V6Pv)

280 Just got here and this is way off topic, but I got an invitation to a party with White Elephant theme. All bikers, by the way. I thought I would get a gift cert for a cool pizza place here. Found a gag box to put it in. "Beer Beard" the box actually looks like there is an apparatice for that. Pretty funny. Got a gag box for little Infidel's new phone too.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (xfRvq)

281 ♫ She had points all her own, sitting way up high ♪

NO BOOBEHS, NO POSTS!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (LoWG+)

282 274 They were. It's just that bastard Johnson and this damn war!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:53 PM (LoWG+)



Easy soldier, it's gonna be ok. AtC is just about to camwhore for us.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)

283 I am convinced that the "military votes in the plane crash" were not the only ones destroyed in 2012.

Libs communicate through projection.

"My vote dint count!"
"Bush stole the election!"

14.8 million union members in the U.S .

When you let the kids run wild, you get wild kids.
The fix was in.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (EZl54)

284 There's nothing wrong with Romney that the new 10 nanometer chip technology couldn't fix.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows þr0n is your constitutionally guaranteed entitlement at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (Lxw+T)

285 I have enough sentience to express a sentiment in a sentence that makes sense, since a seance is not science.

Statements like this are what get people to hop on the 'know nothing' band wagon.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:56 PM (O6q63)

286 WTF

What are you guys arguing about Republicans for? They are going to fix shit.....let 'em fade away. LIB!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 04, 2012 09:56 PM (uis79)

287 NO BOOBEHS!!!!! NO POSTS!!!!!




does anybody has any clue as to what the fuck thorvald is saying?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:57 PM (GEICT)

288 Easy soldier, it's gonna be ok. AtC is just about to camwhore for us.Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)

I would pay cash money for that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:57 PM (LoWG+)

289 Was House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy behind the "purge"?- http://bit.ly/TIexeE

Posted by: 80sBaby at December 04, 2012 09:58 PM (YjDyJ)

290 >>>Seriously - the GOP needs to dump the SoCons and go Libertarian. I suggest this out of pure self-interest for the USA.

There's no solution that doesn't = a smaller party. THAT'S why we are toast. Dead man walking.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 09:58 PM (q177U)

291 does anybody has any clue as to what the fuck thorvald is saying?

No, and neither does he.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:58 PM (VIp6V)

292 Can you say "late blight"? I think you can.

*blink* *blink*

You're on your own here, my man.

Posted by: fluffy at December 04, 2012 09:59 PM (O6q63)

293 Easy soldier, it's gonna be ok. AtC is just about to camwhore for us.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:55 PM (GEICT)



Actually, I'm just about to go to bed because I'm just that hard core.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 10:00 PM (Gk3SS)

294 OK, my silly assed Hoffer sock ain't working.
Let me try this a different way.
Obama should not even have been in the running. He is pathetic. A disaster of an American President. But he won. Because he cobbled all the dis-affected, all the Low Information Humans and the left together and made it a mass movement. Halo's, Greek columns ad nauseum. But it worked. Twice.
Maybe we should look to running someone who is a) actually conservative, b) interesting and c) has a flaw. Or a tattoo. On his Face.
And Thorvald is correct. I remember vividly watching Cronkite bleating out what was obvious propaganda even to a 5th grader. Who lives on the right side of the bell curve.

Posted by: Artruen at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (fDGF1)

295 does anybody has any clue as to what the fuck thorvald is saying?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 09:57 PM (GEICT)

****

I'm detecting sort of an anti-Irish pro-Viking racist thingy, but I may be reading it wrong. Since I'm neither Irish nor Viking, I cannot really say fer sure.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (1OZSU)

296 Thanks. That's what I guessed might have happened.



Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 09:54 PM (5H6zj)

***************************************
BWAHAHAHAHA! I like how you didn't bother to ask for a link for that one -- something that happened to match your preconceived notion. There are way more registered Independents now then there were in 2008 and definitely more than in 2004 so bevel has NO WAY to prove what s/he is asserting. But you just stick with that -- because that's what you wanted to hear.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (w3JGl)

297 Mitt Romney lost because he's a weird, out of touch, jerk of a guy who made the public more suspicious than they are of Obama (which is saying something). All you had to do was look at how he was operating -- and how the Democrats were a-ok with him during the primaries; he was perfect...for Obama.
In the process he also took down the GOP and the conservative punditry also took a beating for getting behind his useless behind. This was predicted by some all along, but they were told to stfuastfd, because you know, the polls and Mitt's fabled wealth and electability (and man, there is a tale to tell about the contributions to that campaign; wonder if it'll ever come out?).
Hell, the fact that he was using somebody like Stuart Stevens should tell somebody something, shouldn't it? I mean, has anybody looked at Stevens' record? Or Fehrnstrom for that matter? I'm still shaking my head on how everybody got conned into believing this loser (and he is one delusional mofo let's just be honest, he was and he is, and the voters saw it) could actually win.

So, moral of the story: reality bites, time to face up to reality.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (DBkD3)

298 288
I would pay cash money for that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 09:57 PM (LoWG+)



I would...well, money's in short supply, I would be willing to have my wife befriend her.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (GEICT)

299 You know what we lack? It's passion.

Morsi was also "democratically" elected to office yet has now fled the palace.

It's amazing what a couple hundred thousand pissed off villagers can do.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 04, 2012 10:02 PM (piMMO)

300 I realize many will shoot the messenger -- but hey, doesn't change the message.
You picked a real stinker this time, and you lost -- better picking next time please.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 04, 2012 10:02 PM (DBkD3)

301 295
I'm detecting sort of an anti-Irish pro-Viking racist thingy, but I may be reading it wrong. Since I'm neither Irish nor Viking, I cannot really say fer sure.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (1OZSU)



Well, I am Irish. I still got no effin clue.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:03 PM (GEICT)

302 One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions, okay? What are you going to land on – one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics.

Posted by: Thorvald Now at December 04, 2012 10:03 PM (VIp6V)

303 Hey, man, you don't talk to the Colonel. You listen to him. The man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic sense. I mean, sometimes he'll, uh, well, you'll say "Hello" to him, right? And he'll just walk right by you, and he won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say "Do you know that 'if' is the middle word in life? 'If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you'..." – I mean, I'm no, I can't – I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's, he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas – I mean –...

Posted by: Thorvald Now at December 04, 2012 10:04 PM (VIp6V)

304 293 Actually, I'm just about to go to bed because I'm just that hard core.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Helping it burn. at December 04, 2012 10:00 PM (Gk3SS)



I, uhhhhh ummmmm, wouldn't do that......

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:04 PM (GEICT)

305 BWAHAHAHAHA! I like how you didn't bother to ask for a link for that one -- something that happened to match your preconceived notion.
----
Bevel is a commenter I know.

You're some Romney fan-girl I've never seen around here.

Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 10:05 PM (5H6zj)

306 He is reciting Apocalypse Now!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at December 04, 2012 10:05 PM (uis79)

307 This thread smells like rotten potatoes!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:06 PM (1OZSU)

308 Why? Why would a nice guy like you want to kill a genius? Feeling pretty good, huh? Why? Do you know that the man really likes you? He likes you. He really likes you. But he's got something in mind for you. Aren't you curious about that? I'm curious. I'm very curious. Are you curious? There's something happening out here, man. You know something, man? I know something you that you don't know. That's right, Jack. The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad. Oh, yeah. He's dying, I think. He hates all this. He hates it! But the man's a...He reads poetry out loud, all right. And a voice...he likes you because you're still alive. He's got plans for you. No, I'm not gonna help you. You're gonna help him, man. You're gonna help him. I mean, what are they gonna say when he's gone? 'Cause he dies when it dies, when it dies, he dies! What are they gonna say about him? He was a kind man? He was a wise man? He had plans? He had wisdom? Bullshit, man! And am I gonna be the one that's gonna set them straight? Look at me! Look at me! Wrong!

Posted by: Thorvald Now at December 04, 2012 10:06 PM (VIp6V)

309 307 This thread smells like rotten potatoes!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:06 PM (1OZSU)



Supper!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:07 PM (GEICT)

310 @265

I voted for Romney but Romney was a shitty candidate, end of story.

He used Ryan poorly and ineffectively.

It also did not help that his running mate allowed himself to be bested by a drooling idiot in their only debate.

Couple that with Romney not pressing the attack in the last two debates and specifically conceding point after point in the last debate, I will not even go into the ORCA initiative.


And this is how good the Progressives are and how inept the Republicans are, google "Romney Tax Plan" the very top hit is a site called Romney Tax Plan, it's a democrat sponsored site that savages Romney tax plan other hits lead you to other dem sponsored sites that do the same, it was like this during the election as well, now google Obama tax plan, top hits are sites that extol the virtues of the Obama tax plan, even after the election.

There should be site after site savaging Obama's tax plan but there aren't any, Why?

Because Romney sucked, his team sucked and the GOP establishment blows donkey dick.

Like someone else said, The GOP cranks out weak shit and the Democrats mow it down.

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 10:07 PM (0fxcV)

311 Supper!!!!!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:07 PM (GEICT)

*****

Nice.....!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (1OZSU)

312 Yeah, all of this, blah blah blah, whatever.

Is there going to be a live blog of this VS fashion show?
Cause some of the opening outfits really sucked.
The ladies on the other hand, well, one can only hope, and dream.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (+8t8s)

313 Let me put it terms even the Irish can understand.
(Yeah, and fuck the Irish. It was good enough for boatloads of Norsemen.)
We might not have lost the election, especially given the 2010 result.
The G.O.P. may have been infiltrated in the old-fashioned sense of Commies.
The Commies/media are 'way too interested in making you, personally, retract from your beliefs. ("You LOST.")
Since they're Commies, they will attack you everywhere, including your churches, schools, home, and political party. They'd be glad if you let the G.O.P. die without a Constitution Party to supplant it.
Since they're Reductionists, they will take every chance to alter your brain chemistry. They do not play fair.
"Jihad" is no more. "Workplace violence" is the new normal.
And, I understand this ellipsis will infuriate everyone from Massatwoshits, you can still be a woodstove/outhouse criminal nearly everywhere. You just can't be a "dust criminal", yet. Wait 'til the 2nd term.
Keep yer powder dry, pray for the souls of the Loyalist Remnant, but don't let them subvert your eternal thirst for Liberty. Ps 63,1
http://preview.tinyurl.com/b5l2rgr

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (1V6Pv)

314 But *after* 4 years of Obama? No -- they aren't the GOP base. They are
whiny prima donnas waiting for their 100% pure ideal candidate before
they can be bothered to get their asses to the polls and until he shows
up they will cause division among the ranks to the best of their
ability.


I am proud not to be the GOP base. A worse bunch of self-deluded fools I haven't seen this side of a "Discovery Institute" museum, which museum actually *might* represent the GOP base.

As for the non-voters, you are talking about "the 50% of the electorate that didn't even bother to vote", according to steevy above. 50% is a lot of prima donnas. That "none of the above" candidate would have got a vast plurality of the popular vote and a majority of the Electoral College excepting DC.

That 50% - that plurality - ought to be considered a referendum against DC rule. It should have been 80%.

Just walk away. Don't hold back the tide of the River of Meat.

Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (QTHTd)

315 I saw a lefty complaining about W today on Fox. Said he lied us into Iraq with fake wmd data.
Did anyone call him on it? NO. That whole thing was 10 fucking years ago and they are STILL repeating it in the media. I heard that Kerry got "Swift boated" again the other night. Eight fucking years later they are STILL repeating the big lies.
Everyday in ALL major media there are lies being repeated over and over and NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT!

Of COURSE the fucking GOP lost.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 04, 2012 10:10 PM (+paCV)

316 Too much acrimony on this thread.

Here: http://tinyurl.com/b3spjy6

SFW, despite the page title. Certified free-trade, organic, 100% spider free.

Posted by: DC in Towson at December 04, 2012 10:10 PM (Ai+tZ)

317 Maybe we should look to running someone who is a)
actually conservative, b) interesting and c) has a flaw. Or a tattoo. On
his Face.


Posted by: Artruen at December 04, 2012 10:01 PM (fDGF1)

*****************************************************Except -- and this is big, so pay attention: Romney ran better than the GOP senate candidates in every state but the deep blue ones (like MA -- where he ran even). He handily won MO and IN while GOP candidates lost those. Romney even got about 100,000 more votes than the new "conservative" darling Ted Cruz did in Texas. 800,000. Even in the swing states he lost, Romney got more votes tan the senate candidates -- about 800,000 more in FL than Mack; 100,000 more in VA than Allen; and about 100,000 more in WI than Tommy Thompson did.
If Romney was the *problem* and not the GOP brand, then the opposite should have happened (i.e., Romney should have run even or gotten less votes than GOP senate candidates in red states and swing states). But that did not happen -- and yet people keep wanting to pretend the problem was Romney. {shrug} Like Ace writes: humans like to lie to themselves.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:11 PM (w3JGl)

318 Is there going to be a live blog of this VS fashion show?

If there is one thing BC and I know to be true about VS models - picking up the theme from an old thread here - it is this.....

Landing strips.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 10:11 PM (VIp6V)

319 yeah...this thread is starting to get cheesed up.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 10:12 PM (q177U)

320 On "Homeland" on HBO: The evil vice president with a pacemaker/defibrillator ordered a drone to take out a madrassa full of children in Iraq. Who does that remind you of?

Every fucking day there is another day of big lies and negative ads whether there is a campaign going on or not.

Posted by: Daybrother at December 04, 2012 10:12 PM (+paCV)

321
lets get someone who isn't crazy and yet still not afraid to brawl

Alan West

truly can't think of any other

Posted by: thunderb at December 04, 2012 10:13 PM (Dnbau)

322 317 Maybe we should look to running someone who is a)
actually conservative, b) interesting and c) has a flaw. Or a tattoo. On his face


So we'll be running MS-13 gang members in 2016?

That should help with the Latino vote.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 10:13 PM (VIp6V)

323 Well I guess it will just be the 'ettes in the ont a while.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2012 10:14 PM (xfRvq)

324 >>>If Romney was the *problem* and not the GOP brand, then the opposite should have happened

It's almost like....we're doomed to fail. We've passed the exit and missed the sign.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 10:14 PM (q177U)

325 318 Is there going to be a live blog of this VS fashion show?

If there is one thing BC and I know to be true about VS models - picking up the theme from an old thread here - it is this.....

Landing strips.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 10:11 PM (VIp6V)



Know what's best to land on? An area clear of obstructions.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:14 PM (GEICT)

326 Posted by: Y-not at December 04, 2012 10:05 PM (5H6zj)

Oh you asked for a link from me other than the one re: my personal opinion, which you quoted and asked for a link for which I took as snark on your part (and I hope for your sake it was snark)?

The only other links I saw you ask for were from a commenter named Jeepers re: Romney winning Independents by +5.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:15 PM (w3JGl)

327 Yes, angienc.

Romney did not run as a SoCon while Mourdock and Todd Akin did - and they both got plastered in RED states Romney won.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:15 PM (7lRjS)

328 And, I understand this ellipsis will infuriate everyone from Massatwoshits, you can still be a woodstove/outhouse criminal nearly everywhere. You just can't be a "dust criminal", yet.

Wrong. WRONG!

I'm just confused.

Posted by: fluffy, Masshole at December 04, 2012 10:15 PM (O6q63)

329 317 Maybe we should look to running someone who is a)
actually conservative, b) interesting and c) has a flaw. Or a tattoo. On his face



Hi!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:16 PM (GEICT)

330 No, Angienc, Mitt was merely a symptom of what is ailing the GOP/conservative movement -- but he's still a symptom (like explosive gastro intestinal upset is a symptom of dysentery, it's just a symptom, but it's still pretty bad) and like any symptom, he was part of the problem that needs to be gotten rid of.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 04, 2012 10:16 PM (DBkD3)

331 Know what's best to land on? An area clear of obstructions.


Can I have an "Amen" for the brother in the barrel?!?!?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 10:16 PM (VIp6V)

332 317
Maybe

My point exactly. I think. Maybe. Romney was a good candidate. He ran against an empty, soulless, golfing, sack of shit. And Lost.
Forward!

Posted by: Artruen at December 04, 2012 10:16 PM (fDGF1)

333 Akin and Mourdock didn't run as So-cons, they ran as idiots.

Posted by: In Cognito at December 04, 2012 10:18 PM (+8t8s)

334 Posted by: Eaton Cox at December 04, 2012 10:14 PM (q177U)

People left the polls blaming Bush for the economy.
We've got candidates running for Senate who have to explain that they are against *rape.*
And a fair amount of people on the right think the problem is we should have run Santorum.
Yes, we've missed the exit.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:19 PM (w3JGl)

335 By, good, I mean decent human and all that crap. I don't mean conservative.

Posted by: Artruen at December 04, 2012 10:19 PM (fDGF1)

336 Ehem, and Akin and Mourdock were conservatives, who were doing well until they stuck their feet in their mouths and chewed on them.
But then again, Mitt should know something about how saying truly stupid things can cost you voters.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 04, 2012 10:19 PM (DBkD3)

337 Maybe I should state this another way:

The
Republican base came out, IMO. I can cut people slack for 2008 - even
though it was apparent to me that Obama was an America-hating commie,
other people didn't really know who he was and having been burned by
GWB's excess spending on the wars they stayed home out of disgust. But
*after* 4 years of Obama? No -- they aren't the GOP base. They are whiny
prima donnas waiting for their 100% pure ideal candidate before they
can be bothered to get their asses to the polls and until he shows up
they will cause division among the ranks to the best of their ability.

Most importantly, the "base" shows up to vote.


Posted by: angienc

I agree, chasing after a voter that sat out over Romney being insufficiently conservative is completely stupid. I'd honestly rather go after a voter that's a moderate Democrat that actually made it to the polls.

I would wager half of Democrat voters vote the way they do purely because of the Culture War. Mitch Daniels was right, we should call a truce on this nonsense, especially since who's in the White House plays absolutely no role in where our nation is morally. Does anyone think the nation was better off morally with pro-life Jimmy Carter over pro-choice Gerald Ford?

Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 10:19 PM (XDRsa)

338 Someone flip me a coin and I'll cart this thread off to where it belongs.

Posted by: Charon at December 04, 2012 10:21 PM (bCaTl)

339 @330

Exactly.

Unfortunately , history says that Mitt's failure to fight in the election will cause a great deal of real fighting in the near future.

But hey! He tried real hard...or something.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 10:21 PM (EZl54)

340 The campaign was inept. That goes to Romney's judgment. If it is true he let his team talk him out of being aggressive after the first debate, then he is not smart enough to get the job. If Obama had attacked me I would have gone back after him no matter what they told me. I couldn't stand there and let that metrosexual crap on me. I don't know why Romney didn't even correct by the third debate. Lack of fight in him or poor judgment. Either way, disqualifying.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2012 10:21 PM (6H6FZ)

341 So, Hymenhopper/cunt, if both sides are the same, just one say don't kill them babies after 6-months, and it's just a matter of flavuh, MTV wins!
Dood, can you help me score with the chemicals you use? I need to get my mind around the continuing trillion dollar deficits. I know math is racist, but I'm white.

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 10:21 PM (1V6Pv)

342 jane, Akin and Mourdock only repeated the GOP platform, that abortion should be banned even in rape cases.

Paul Ryan proposed the Human Life Amendment which states the same thing.

Injecting God's will into everything (including rape) is in-line with the SoCon philosophy too.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:25 PM (7lRjS)

343 Landing strips.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 04, 2012 10:11 PM (VIp6V)

http://tinyurl.com/an385mm

NSFW

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2012 10:26 PM (GsoHv)

344 I keep obsessively refreshing the front page. Nothing.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:26 PM (GEICT)

345 endowed by their Creator.


stupid socons...

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 10:26 PM (EZl54)

346 Romney did not run as a SoCon while Mourdock and Todd Akin did - and they both got plastered in RED states Romney won.



Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:15 PM (7lRjS)

Well, which is it? Did Mitt lose because of Mourdock and Akin or was he so awesome he still lost on his own merits?
Moderates need to huddle together and get their story straight.


Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (uhAkr)

347 Everybody is arguing that their pet reason is the reason Romney didn't win. Let me suggest that it was a combination of factors, changing any of them might have made the difference in the election:

1. Ron Paul supporters ticked off.
2. Romney was too rich in an unfavorable way.
3. Romney didn't fight back.
4. Hurricane Sandy and Chris Christie w/Obama.
5. The mainstream media lies.
6. Romney's religion.
7. Long brutal primary season.
8. Romney didn't educate the American people enough about Obamacare/energy/taxes/deficit/pick your issue
9. Inept campaign advisors.
10. A campaign focused only on one issue.
11. Vote fraud

There are probably others we could list. Most of the items listed are things we can have at least some control over. For example, a campaign going forward should at least acknowledge and try to court the Ron Paul people, while doing their best to still support the So-Cons. Only by bringing us all together are we going to be able to win going forward.

Posted by: stephie at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (xG0vx)

348 Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:26 PM (GEICT)

Look up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (GsoHv)

349 Good grief, will these people ever shut their fuckin' pieholes?

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (kpCLl)

350 Mourdoch and Akin lost because they were too busy stepping on their dicks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (jucos)

351 Posted by: zimriel at December 04, 2012 10:09 PM (QTHTd)

Please don't misconstrue what I wrote -- I didn't mention the entire 50% of those eligible who didn't vote-- IMO those are for the most part simply apathetic.

I'm talking about the actual people the GOP can depend on to come out and vote come hell or high water -- that's what "base" means. Yet I see a lot of people claiming to be "the base" who don't come out to vote. They aren't the base -- they may be candidate specific voters (who voted faithfully for GWB twice) but they aren't "the GOP base."

By the same token, all the panic over the Dem base who came out this last time (+7 Dem 2 elections in a row) -- they may be Obama's base, not the Dem base. We will not know that thought until 2016.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (w3JGl)

352 I saw. I clicked. I smiled.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:28 PM (GEICT)

353 @340

Obama's team accuses Romney of causing a women's cancer and eventual death.

Romney say's Obama's a good man who inherited a bad situation.



That Mitt Romney was wicked smart I'll tell ya!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 10:28 PM (0fxcV)

354 Antiquity was better than modern times because it did not know
Christianity and syphilis.



Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 10:29 PM (EZl54)

355 @347

THREAD WINNER.

AND NOW OFF TO THE ONT!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at December 04, 2012 10:29 PM (0fxcV)

356 Mourdoch and Akin lost because they were too busy stepping on their dicks.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (jucos)
Just when I thought I could not possibly love you more, you go and post something like that. mwah!

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2012 10:29 PM (kpCLl)

357 Why THE FUCK is Beiber on my VS show?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at December 04, 2012 10:29 PM (GEICT)

358 rockin da Godwin !

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 10:30 PM (EZl54)

359 "...they may be Obama's base, not the Dem base. We will not know that thought until 2016."

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:27 PM (w3JGl)

This is an interesting thought.

How much of the Democrat win was as a result of the magic negro's oversample of Blacks, guilty White people and apathetic voters who loved his pseudo-hip bluster?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 04, 2012 10:30 PM (GsoHv)

360 Romney did just enough to win. Not spectacularly, but enough.

Our GOTV couldn't beat their vote stealing.

I say we get better at vote stealing and fuck the rest of it.

The republic is lost. Let's at least get ours before it goes.

Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2012 10:31 PM (I2LwF)

361 gonorhea, pedophilia, PCP vouchers, bestiality 2016 !!!

Posted by: Hefty Herpeshole at December 04, 2012 10:34 PM (EZl54)

362 The only way to "court " a Paulbot is to give their boyfriend the nomination. They ain't voting for anyone else.

Posted by: Lt. Resentment at December 04, 2012 10:35 PM (LttFA)

363 You have to be an idiot to believe Obama stole the election via voter fraud.

Why did GOP governors in Virginia and Florida help Obama win? GOP Secretary of States there?

More GOP bubble living.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:35 PM (7lRjS)

364 How long until some candidate, or even better the national GOP, says "$50 an hour and $20 million if we win."

That would put some fucking fire in their bellies.

Posted by: Danby at December 04, 2012 10:37 PM (tYxYT)

365 The worst is that somehow "Con" got some cachet. In the very longest term, what's right is mostly deadly to those who believe it and who won't back down.
So now we get all these "cons" (who, take away the Jew-haters and the pot heads, could possibly be the Atheist sociopaths/yer on yer own/Galt-fools) who don't reproduce, and who don't live in the bosom of a family/Christ's bosom, and who have not, to this day, understood what Reagan meant when he said "We are a people with a government, and not the other way round."

Posted by: Thorvald at December 04, 2012 10:38 PM (1V6Pv)

366 The Obama base didn't show up at all in 2010. I'm not sure that they'll be so enthusiastic in 2014, or 2016 if the Dems go back to a white candidate (even Cankles)

Posted by: Lt. Resentment at December 04, 2012 10:40 PM (LttFA)

367 1) Failure to attack Obama

2) Failure to court/reassure conservative base.

3) Failure to mend fences with primary losers.

Those are probably enough to lose it right there.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2012 10:41 PM (6H6FZ)

368 I smile when I remember that the trolls who post here will be among the first victims of the LiB strategy.


Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at December 04, 2012 10:44 PM (EZl54)

369 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:35 PM (7lRjS)

*************************************************************

What's up with this new Obot talking point that Republicans live in bubbles? I know it's supposed to insult us or something, but I find it pretty laughable and just more Obot projection.

I understand they don't "get" the concept of "2 wrongs don't make a right" (hence every time they want to justify some horrendous thing Obama has done, say -- kill US citizens with drones, they justify it with "Bush did it too!") but now they also fail at the whole "glass houses" thing?

I mean, these are people who haven't noticed that all Obama has given us is cheap money and no jobs, yet somehow want 4 more years of it and we're the ones living in a bubble?

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 10:49 PM (w3JGl)

370 The origin of the GOP bubble came from Karl Rove who famously said that the GOP "creates its own reality" in 2004.

Exact Rove quote:

"That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued.
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And
while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act
again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's
how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you,
will be left to just study what we do."

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:55 PM (7lRjS)

371 259
The bottom line is this. No Republican president could get through the
reforms needed to save our ass fiscally. We have to let it burn. Obama
brings judgment day closer so I am for that at this point. He will kill
what's left of the economy and bring about a debt crisis. Why not let
liberalism take the fall for that? It's coming either way.


Posted by: Ken Royall

I sort of agree, although I certainly don't vote on a "winning by losing" basis.

Had Romney squeaked through (or any Republican) they wouldn't have been able to cut so much as a penny from federal spending. Not one penny.
It wouldn't have been as bad as Obama though, Romney would have bought us time.

But the problem is, rarely do people get less government from an economic collapse. I think the US though is unique in that if we have some sort of collapse, I see us breaking apart, especially if out dollar becomes worthless, which is inevitable with $60 trillion in unfunded obligations.




Posted by: Jeepers at December 04, 2012 11:00 PM (XDRsa)

372
You have to be an idiot to believe Obama stole the election via voter fraud.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:35 PM (7lRjS)


When Obama gets 100% of the vote in some precincts, I don't think it is idiocy.

When the son of a prominent Democrat congressman is forced to resign because he is caught brainstorming about voter fraud, it isn't idiocy.

When a national party bellyaches about voter ID laws that the even the dictator-friendly UN is horrified we don't have, it isn't idiocy.

The Democrats engage in widespread fraud and have been doing so since Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 04, 2012 11:10 PM (uhAkr)

373 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at December 04, 2012 10:55 PM (7lRjS)

Ha, ha! Y'all can't even get insults right then.

Posted by: angienc at December 04, 2012 11:49 PM (w3JGl)

374
Those who persist in dissecting the loser's campaign tactics in an election presenting this stark a choice to the electorate simply aren't serious about our situation.

Romney's campaign (vs. the incumbent's bizarre, gaffe-gorged, bumbling non-campaign) was 100 times what was needed to win - in a country remotely resembling the America many of us have lived in for decades.

How quickly some forget. Even some of the idiot lib columnists were tut-tutting about Bambi's coming loss in the weeks before the election. They were lamenting how small and unseemly his campaign had become. They, like most everyone else, expected a Romney win, and a substantial one.

When even the braid-dead Beltway chattering lib idiots are both pessimistic and embarrased about their guy's campaign, it's sort of a big clue. Romeny should have won. That he didn't wasn't an artifact of campaign strategy. It was, 100%, a clear, stunning, and immutable reflection of the national decline (and yes, the "moochers'" destructive voting was no more so than that of high-disinformation NPR listeners, or the mysterious missing millions in the Midwest, or the cretins who claim to believe there's no difference between Romney and the absurd non-entity in the WH).

And Ace - Clinton, intelligent? Wow. I'd sort of assumed you were brighter than to stipulate the ridiculous Beltway conventional wisdom about one of the most disastrously incompetent - not to mention psychologically unfit - presidents of all time. Clinton was "intelligent" and a "wonk" in the same way that the idiotic, miniature Beltway types are intelligent. That is, he wasn't. Glib adherence to the conventional wisdom - which gets dumbed down almost every day - is not a sign of intelligence.

And having had personal exposure to both Clinton and the current absurd non-entity in the WH, it's easy for me to report that neither one, for an instant, comes across as intelligent in any meaningful or useful way. Warped, grasping, arrogant, clueless - all this and more, yes. Intelligent? Ha!

Posted by: non-purist at December 04, 2012 11:53 PM (afQnV)

375 It's a matter of marketing and controlling the narrative. Until the Repubs figure out how to do that, they will lose. It's the same reason that the Repubs will be blamed if we go over the fiscal cliff. We can't get our message across.

Some way, somehow, we need some fabulously entertaining tv program to slip our message to clueless voters. Something so subtle that they won't realize they are being indoctrinated.

I still get emails from Rand Paul, and he's the only Repub I'm hearing from. I'd say that he gets it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2012 11:58 PM (uPhCY)

376 "Over at WZ, they have a piece saying that OCare is still opposed 52% to 42%. Now how the fuck can the author of OCare win reelection when his crowning achievement is disliked that much?"

We ran the guy who created Ocare in MA, and he said he wanted to keep the "good parts." Earth to McFly: When you have a shit sandwich and take out the shit, you still don't want to eat the nasty bread that touched it. Throw the whole thing out. This guy expected voters to believe he would reform entitlements? He didn't run on a message of reform or change, and he lost his economic message, which was never a winner, anyway. Everyone blamed it on Bush. No, Romney ran as the candidate of corporate welfare while everyone else is unemployed and on food stamps. Then he told a room full of rich people that he had nothing to offer those losers, anyway. He believed that up until the end, and said Obama won, because he could give people more free shit. Remember that Mendoza line comment? It was fucking true.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 05, 2012 12:19 AM (i0vBR)

377 I'm so sick of this Romney-shoulda-coulda-we need a real conservative-if only we had the right candidate bullshit.
Here's the real reason Obama won: Democrats own the culture, and its not coming back.

We all acknowledge that Liberals have owned the MSM, Academy, Hollywood and Music industries for 30 years, but have never contemplated when such control might lead to a tipping point.

But now take a step back...big picture:
-when the "War on Women" began, we laughed. Partly because it was so fantastical a lie and so bereft of evidence that we assumed no one would seriously consider this as a factor in their vote. They believed it. In fact, Malkin, has a collection of tweets from women hoarding tampons ahead of a possible Republican win that would deny them all "women's reproductive rights!"
-when a town hall speaker at an Obama event asked him to provide her with a house, we laughed. Because no normal person is so shameless as to ask, in front of millions of viewers, that the President, himself, provide shelter and not policy, personal entitlement and not direction for the country. By the way, could you imagine your grandmother asking Truman for a house? or this line, "Mr. Nixon, can you give me a house?"
-when voters talked about getting free "Obamaphones" or cash that came from "Obama's stash" we laughed. Because we thought they were marginal, low-information voters that in no way represented the Republic.
-when a nearly 30-year old law student insisted that her birth control be made a portion of the Federal Budget, we laughed. Because no responsible, adult woman would not figure out how to get her own birth control.
-when a town hall McDonald's employee gushed in Obama's presence, when songs were sung by elementary students, when late-night hosts beamed at his appearance and SNL ignored his record.
-when American voters make decisions on their leaders based on whether "he cares about people like me" (Can you imagine your grandparents saying, 'Ya know, I just don't think Eisenhower cares about me!")

Thus, the tipping point. It couldn't go on forever. No one can hold the levers of culture so long and not reach political power so long desired.
It was not the candidate, it was the culture--we just never noticed it.

It was a fine Republic while she lasted.


Posted by: LexisTexas at December 05, 2012 12:24 AM (kPFAg)

378 367 1) Failure to attack Obama

2) Failure to court/reassure conservative base.

3) Failure to mend fences with primary losers.

Those are probably enough to lose it right there.
===========••==========================

1) Romney shot his wad during the primaries drowning his opponents in negative ads, hence his empty war chest.

2) He was delusional enough to think voters would be unhappy enough with Obama that this would be a referendum election. He never presented a contrasting vision.

3) Although Hispanics were only 10% of the electorate and as much as 14% in CO, there was no unsaying his stupid self-deportation remarks when he ran to Perry's right in the primary. Those supporters would never forget that or his Mediscaring. Etch a Sketch was a stupid assumption.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 05, 2012 12:34 AM (i0vBR)

379 "It was not the candidate, it was the culture."

Successful politicians control their messaging. If Romney cannot relate to our culture, how is he gonna run the country? When you meet black voters, you don't say," Who let the dogs out?" You talk about small business and education. Romney was unable or unwilling to have those discussions.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 05, 2012 12:45 AM (i0vBR)

380 Actually, I give him credit for addressing the NAACP. His speech at the Sl Smith dinner was great, too. The first debate was awesome. But this election was over by the middle of September.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 05, 2012 12:49 AM (i0vBR)

381 On "Homeland" on HBO: The evil vice president with a
pacemaker/defibrillator ordered a drone to take out a madrassa full of
children in Iraq. Who does that remind you of?


Did he also have a 50 foot War Cock(tm)

Posted by: Ian S. at December 05, 2012 01:02 AM (OevbG)

382 Ace said "And surprise surprise, they said "Plans for the future." You know, the answer that makes them sound like highly intelligent scholars of civic policy, rather than the answer that makes them sound like dupes easily-swayed by repetitive and dishonest political attacks."

You, wisely, noted this previously. It's nothing new, we need to - collectively - stop with the bullshit excuses and rationalizing of why we lost. Your site, god-love it, runs way too much ridiculous crap which amounts to nothing but a conservative id self-defense mechanism, a kill switch which bitches insistently about Orca, or Romney as RINO, etc.


Lets be honest, Romney gave us the big positive election we as conservatives wanted. He gave us, as Americans, a choice between statism and free-market economics presented quite clearly. He gave us Paul Ryan and reached out and not only touched the 3rd rail, he rammed that shit up Obama's ass and won the issue among seniors. He recapitulated Reagan '80 percentages among the non-minority demos in 2012.

He did his part, we -- as a country -- have changed and said no. It's that fucking simple.

The only thing he didn't do was unleash the kraken, but that's a post hoc point as the only play was to the middle. Would it have worked, maybe -- but few who were informed were advocating that when our only arithmetic hope was to ride the centerist wave. The left would have turned out for their Obama-phone regardless. Apparently, the soft center and right just doesn't give a fuck.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 05, 2012 01:26 AM (jhI6f)

383 Successful politicians control their messaging. If Romney cannot relate to our culture, how is he gonna run the country?

Right, because discussing which rapper most influenced the '90s is important. That's the surest way to balance the budget, reduce the trade imbalance, reduce unemployment or get the inner-cities educated.

Fuck Pimp-with-a-limp.

I think Marco Rubio is a stud, but there's no reason a statesmen should be discussing what rapper's lyrics are most moving. That's not their job, they're not fucking American Idol judges. This whole reduction of the political system into a transactional votes-for-bread-and-circuses thing is ridiculous.

As citizens, we should be sick of just standing there and watching it burn. Because we don't like the way it hurts.

How do you like those rhymes?

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 05, 2012 01:35 AM (jhI6f)

384 And my last two posts aren't contradictory: Romney ran the race we wanted as conservatives and conservative libertarians and should have ran. We also lost.

Fine, let the fucker burn.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at December 05, 2012 01:42 AM (jhI6f)

385 50 Only Democrats care about skin color

That's why they win.
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That's right.

Only those who care enough to act can get what they want. The interests of those who don't care are ignored.

What's a racial issue in the 21st Century? Everything that relates to who gets what and why, in other words everything political.

"Only Democrats care about race / skin color" is the same as "Democrats will get their way on every political issue, and they might as well since only they care."

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 05, 2012 02:23 AM (2Wolb)

386 If conservatives were totally whipped on the issue of pocket lint, such that they would give way on every issue if it was defined as a pocket lint issue, and cry like babies if they were accused of lint-ism, how many issues do you think liberals would say were really about lint, and how often do you think liberals would throw the lint-ist accusation?

In reality, the "anti-racist" side, which is the anti-White side, has the same sort of advantage over whipped conservatives when they define issues as really being about race and when they accuse conservatives of racism. As long as conservatives stay whipped, liberals can get their way on any issue by saying, "this is a race thing, and those opposing us are racist".

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 05, 2012 02:41 AM (2Wolb)

387 196 This. One of the biggest problems conservative politicians have is that they accept the premises of the left. I don't know why they think that will ever work in their favor. If we want to change hearts and minds, we have to start tearing down the premises.
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Ann Coulter basically has the right attitude: walk in the room punching. People will say you are hateful, and that they would never be influenced by someone so negative, but you'll win the argument.

It works for real politicians too. On terrorism and security, Dick Cheney conceded Obama nothing. Eveyrbody said that former Vice-President Dick Cheney was being hateful and undignified. (The right thing to do would have been to let himself be slandered by Obama and his agents without reply.) As a result of this confrontation, Dick Cheney became less popular than ever. But he won the policy argument.

Republicans generally prefer for somebody else to fight for the cause and get their reputation mauled, while they the smart ones duck the fight and stay popular. It's a coward's strategy, and an army of cowards will lose.

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 05, 2012 03:34 AM (2Wolb)

388 Its very simple. If two companies are competing for a sale, and one salesman offers a price below cost, while the other one offers a normal price, guess who you buy from?

When you are borrowing 45% of the money to fund your gifties, but everyone is too dumb to know this, or have their heads in the sand "I paid into Medicare!" then they always buy from the salesman that offers the fake price.

p.s. The media is worth 15 points.

So, Mitt did not do so poorly. Everyone who thinks he was incompetent, feel free to run your own campaign and win. Newt, Cain, Santorum all had weaknesses.

Also, going hammer and tongs against Obama is not easy. Plenty of dipshits still think he should be protected. Eastwood helped and had the right tone.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 05, 2012 03:43 AM (dZQh7)

389 388 p.s. The media is worth 15 points.

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Repeal the Hollywood tax cuts!

Posted by: The Lightworker at December 05, 2012 04:13 AM (LWUPF)

390 Well, we might want to read <a href="http://tinyurl.com/victorylab">this book</a> to get some insight to the after action analysis, or Monday morning quarterbacking if you prefer. The reviews make it sound like they did some basic research into why some people vote and why other people stay home. It looks like the Democrats figured out how to persuade their people to vote and our people to stay home. I'll know better after the book gets here and I have read it.

We had our asses handed to us and it might be a nice idea if we could figure out exactly what happened.

My immediate reaction after the election was that I had deluded myself as to what kind of country I lived in. The more I read, the more I am coming to the conclusion that the Democrats used new technology effectively and the results were like the British machine guns at Omdurman which inspired the poem, "Whatever happens we have got
The Maxim Gun and they have not."

A few years later, everybody had the same technology and the battle of Passchendaele did not go as smoothly for the British as Omdurman.

The big data mining and microtargeting operations that the Democrats used was not a technology that the Republican campaign consultants were not familiar with. They have been using that technology to target campaign contributors. The money they collected from campaign contributors is the reason that all the Romney campaign consultants are millionaires today. They get paid just as well if their candidate wins or loses. The Washington Generals make a pretty comfortable living.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at December 05, 2012 09:31 AM (dGtaD)

391 Leadership and a want to win-Romney campaign didn't have that.

Posted by: jukin at December 05, 2012 11:42 AM (WGm5T)

392 mitt romney definitely had enough of the honest votes to win but lost because durty eric holder allowed rampant donkcheating at the polls. chicagoland.

Posted by: howardfrombroward at December 05, 2012 02:30 PM (dCFT1)






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