Obama: Why Sure I'd Like To Go Over The Cliff

"Reluctantly," you understand. As a last resort, you know.

This basic dynamic — Boehner cannot haggle freely with the president due to the intense opposition to a deal within his own ranks — has not fundamentally changed. What has changed is the president's hand. According to senior administration officials, Obama is not eager to go over the cliff, but he is willing. If no deal is reached by the end of the month, all the Bush tax cuts — for the rich and not-rich — will evaporate. Obama would then demand in early January that the new Congress immediately pass legislation to reinstate the lower tax rates for the bottom 98 percent.

Some in the liberal media are even willing to report that it's beginning to look like the Democrats are pretending to negotiate, while actually doing all they can to avoid a deal.

Over the last 96 hours, it’s become abundantly clear that any post-election momentum that was building for a deal to avert the fiscal cliff has abated and we are, in the words of House Speaker John Boehner, at a “stalemate”.

The more intriguing — and harder to answer — question is whether deadlock is right where Democrats want things to be and whether the President’s party has any real interest in finding common ground before Dec. 31.

Republicans have whispered for weeks now that they believe Democrats and the White House want to go over the fiscal cliff and that the President’s initial offer late last week... is blunt evidence that the White House is interested in making it appear as though they are willing to deal without actually being willing to deal.

...

And even the Democratic strategist set insists that their side isn’t interested in taking the leap — although they quickly note that if that was to happen, the party would be in position to benefit politically.

“I don’t believe the Dems want to go over the fiscal cliff — don’t believe it at all,” said Democratic strategist Paul Begala. “But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

Posted by: Ace at 04:36 PM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 03, 2012 04:37 PM (5DR1j)

2 My stars and garters, whatever do you mean?!

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:38 PM (sGU4F)

3 And the Republican Congress should absolutely refuse.

"Mr. President. On November 6th, 2012, the American People voted for this gridlock, so gridlock they shall have."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 03, 2012 04:39 PM (5DR1j)

4 The giant forehead (Begala) doesn't seem to want to admit the only reason the democrats are "in better shape" if they go over is the narrative.
If we can wrestle that loose from...oh who am I kidding, we're hosed.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 03, 2012 04:39 PM (i177X)

5
We want an end to the SS payroll tax holiday.
We want an end to the Bush tax cuts.
We want to cut military spending.

Posted by: Olaf the genius at December 03, 2012 04:40 PM (cgxNI)

6 Boehner cannot haggle freely with the president due to the intense
opposition to a deal within his own ranks — has not fundamentally
changed. What has changed is the president's hand. According to senior
administration officials, Obama is not eager to go over the cliff, but
he is willing. If no deal is reached by the end of the month, all the
Bush tax cuts — for the rich and not-rich — will evaporate


But I thought Bush's tax cuts only affected the RICH? You mean Obama and the Democrats have been LYING to me?!?!?!?! The HELL you say.....

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 04:40 PM (UK9cE)

7
But are they (the Democrats) really in a better position if we go off the cliff? I guess they think this is like the shutdown of the government in Clinton I when the Dems got a huge benefit and Gingrich and the Republicans came out with a black eye. But I am not so sure Obama will come off smelling as well as Clinton did. I just think Obama is more inept and ham handed than Clinton on these issues.

But I am probably wrong as usual.

Posted by: nc at December 03, 2012 04:42 PM (Cxl7g)

8 Screw the metaphorical shit. I want them all to go over a real cliff.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (pPjld)

9
He's got all those new 'emergency powers' that he created in the last 4 years.

So all he needs to activate them...is a 'crisis'.

Posted by: wheatie at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (CM59X)

10 So we go over the cliff and then Obama gets to look like the middle class tax cutter in Jan?
We're fucked!

Posted by: burnitup at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (Znqj4)

11 The thing I've always wondered about the MFM:

They know they're lying. They clearly have to put an effort into burying what the don't like and promoting what the do like.

But do they do this because;

1) They truly believe that the liberal/Democrat methods of doing things are the best options, despite a lot of evidence to the contrary. Thus, they need to protect him and ignore all the broken eggs for the still-in-progress omlet?

2) It's just blind loyalty and force of habit. They barely notice it anymore and don't really care.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (sGU4F)

12 "Mr. President. On November 6th, 2012, the American People voted for this gridlock, so gridlock they shall have."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at December 03, 2012 04:39 PM (5DR1j)


"The recent election was a mandate by the American people to maintain the current state of stalemate in our Federal Government."

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (UK9cE)

13 In this round's "GOP should do X"

I would motion that they learn from 1996 and 2006

1996: Big huge mega crisis that will kill the GOP forever. Reality: nope, picked up 2 senate seats, lost plurality election because of shit hell Perot.

2006 pelosi and reid go on rampage talking down everything, putting worst faith effort into any action by president. they won.

let's win, fuckers.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:45 PM (QxSug)

14 "If no deal is reached by the end of the month, all the Bush tax cuts — for the rich and not-rich — will evaporate"

And again, I just don't see why this is the worst thing in the world for the Republicans. (A) Policywise, its probably better than any stupid deal we would cut and (B) its 2 years until the next election. If the economy is in the tank and the government is gridlocked, I don't think Obama will be able to go the well again and have voters elect Democrats to a majority in the House.

Posted by: nc at December 03, 2012 04:45 PM (Cxl7g)

15 sure as shit, this should be their position. No fucking more spending. no matter what.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:45 PM (QxSug)

16 You ever get the feeling that maybe Obama is a big believer in that whole Cloward-Piven thing?

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at December 03, 2012 04:45 PM (8ltUk)

17 Dog bites man--unexpectedly


watch it burn...

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM (Dll6b)

18 There's a big thing among trial lawyers that everything is negotiable. As I once mentioned to a lawyer, that is entirely premised on each side having something the other wants. If that is not the case, no amount of negotiating can reach an agreement.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Also on Teams Daryl and Glenn. at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM (VtjlW)

19 LET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Evilpens at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM (ck76k)

20 Republicans need to prepare ad after ad after ad showing Obama at the debate saying sequester is not going to happen.

THEY NEED TO RUN THESE ADS NOW.... Don't the pubs get it, this fuck is always in campaign mode.

Point out his fucking lies, the media sure as shit won't.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM (tVTLU)

21 They want to let it go over the cliff? Fine with me. I don't think they Democrats would benefit from that strategy, but I don't give a damn about the GOP either.

Posted by: cranky-d at December 03, 2012 04:47 PM (HDtn6)

22 All this posturing assumes that voters know or care about what is happening and will vote accordingly.

I'm starting to question if John Q. Democrat a) does or b) would change thier vote based on any evidence that dem policies don't work. I think most would still pull the D lever long after thier dead.

Posted by: JollyRoger at December 03, 2012 04:47 PM (t06LC)

23 What the GOP ought to do (and won't) is to accuse Obama of wanting to inflict the Clinton tax hikes on everyone--"We opposed the Clinton tax hikes in the 90s, and we oppose them now."

Posted by: Burke at December 03, 2012 04:47 PM (CrqI6)

24
Stepping off a curb is like stepping off a cliff.

Posted by: Bob Costas at December 03, 2012 04:47 PM (wIgpo)

25
“But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

The Media is sure of it.

Posted by: California Red at December 03, 2012 04:48 PM (PRZ/E)

26 I don't like this cliff metaphor. Not enough fire.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 04:48 PM (a0nis)

27 DUMP BOEHNER NOW.


If there is a Tea Party Redux, let it begin in the House where the conservative revolt against this incompetent Quisling.

Beyond that, there is no one who is getting the message out to the people, MFM and free shit army zombies notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 04:49 PM (XkWWK)

28 My gut is that manic depressive Obama is on an euphoric upswing right now and thinks he can do no wrong. I think he is overestimating his political capital (and skill).

Posted by: nc at December 03, 2012 04:49 PM (Cxl7g)

29 can government / the economy go over the cliff while burning, wearing a puffy shirt with a big, big knife clenched in its yellow decaying teeth ???

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 03, 2012 04:49 PM (Dll6b)

30 Stepping off a curb is like stepping off a cliff.


Only if you are a Misogynist Garden Gnome, Bobbysoxer.

Posted by: fluffy at December 03, 2012 04:49 PM (z9HTb)

31 26 I don't like this cliff metaphor. Not enough fire.
Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 04:48 PM (a0nis)


You don't like cliff? How about Norm?


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 04:50 PM (XkWWK)

32 It might be interesting if the politicians involved here ever had to suffer real financial consequences to their hobby of ruling the peasants.

Ah, who am I kidding. No matter what happens almost every single person in the Senate, House and White House will be far wealthier in a few years.

The rest of us? We don't matter. We've voted away our power repeatedly.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at December 03, 2012 04:50 PM (Lxw+T)

33 Repost

But let me just say that when we DO go over the "fiscal cliff".....The mobs and riots we always see on Black Friday, will look like a church social......so you better take care of your families in advance
Posted by: kawfytawk at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM (JWLqy)

Posted by: kawfytawk at December 03, 2012 04:50 PM (JWLqy)

34 28 My gut is that manic depressive Obama is on an euphoric upswing right now and thinks he can do no wrong. I think he is overestimating his political capital (and skill).
Posted by: nc at December 03, 2012 04:49 PM (Cxl7g)


Meh. Everything's a breeze when you're a dictator and there is no one opposing you.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 04:50 PM (XkWWK)

35 >>>28 My gut is that manic depressive Obama is on an euphoric upswing right now and thinks he can do no wrong. I think he is overestimating his political capital (and skill).

That reminds me of Woodward's story about Pelosi putting him on mute during a phone call.

Even his own party thinks he's an amateur dipshit.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:51 PM (sGU4F)

36 Going off the cliff would be good. Better to have pain now than more pain later. Something's gotta balance this budget. Glad to know the Democrats are willing to work with us on this. (Even if it's only so they can blame us for the current pain.)

Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 04:52 PM (a0nis)

37 16 You ever get the feeling that maybe Obama is a big believer in that whole Cloward-Piven thing?
Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at December 03, 2012 04:45 PM (8ltUk)


More like Piven and Jarret are pulling his strings as we speak.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 04:52 PM (XkWWK)

38 I thought your article was very good and will recommend it to my friends.

Posted by: tree bark soup recipes ePub at December 03, 2012 04:52 PM (5JmKY)

39 my gut is that obama is in over his head and is completely cocooned from reality, that he's coddled by his advisers and he really doesn't care about nothing.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:52 PM (QxSug)

40

Boehner needs to call in sick.

Get someone in there with balls.

And, call their bluff.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 04:53 PM (LpQbZ)

41
Teh Party of Stoopid can't even make political hay out of TFG's willingness to harm the country by going over the cliff.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 03, 2012 04:53 PM (yiIja)

42 >>>39 my gut is that obama is in over his head and is completely cocooned from reality, that he's coddled by his advisers and he really doesn't care about nothing.

I think 80 percent of Obama is Valerie Jarret, Axelrod and the rest of the Chicago Power Rangers.

The other 20 percent is poetry about himself and choom residue.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:54 PM (sGU4F)

43 The donks keep reliving their greatest hits. oh 1996, how they love you.

"GOP should do X", where X=say obama acting bad faith

cause that will work.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:54 PM (QxSug)

44 Sidebar:
1/4th of Brits skipping meals to pay heating bills.

But but but they have unlimited free medical care for their whole lives!* How can this be? How can a sophisticated, modern European first world democracy fail to provide basic food and heat for all the people?

MOAR INGSOC! It's the only answer.




*unfair if you mention widespread private medical insurance still held in the UK and even racist if you note the huge numbers of patients in limey hospitals dropping like Bob Costas's reputation

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at December 03, 2012 04:55 PM (Lxw+T)

45 "GOP should do X", where X=Get Trump In On the Negotiating.

that'd be fucking awesome.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:55 PM (QxSug)

46 **1/4th of Brits skipping meals to pay heating bills. **

Boo hoo. I am intermittent fasting.

no food until halftime tonight when skins are pounding Eli

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:56 PM (QxSug)

47
"GOP should do X", where X= threaten a filibuster of non-stop Gangnam Style.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:56 PM (sGU4F)

48
I'm not buying.
1) Toonces doesn't want another obvious failure of leadership.

2) Polls show Americans wildly favor spending cuts with higher taxes on other people.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 03, 2012 04:57 PM (r5w1L)

49 @44

To be fair, Brits need to lose weight. Unfortunately, I bet these particular Brits are the already skinny ones.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 04:57 PM (a0nis)

50
"Meh. Everything's a breeze when you're a dictator and there is no one opposing you."

But he is not and he does have opposition.

FDR -- who was a far better politician than Obumbles -- ran into major political trouble with his court packing scheme even though he enjoyed larger majorities in both houses of Congress.

The voters just voted for Obama over Romney -- they did not vote for Democrats over Republicans. Obumbles is not self-aware enough to catch the distinction.


I think the Republican position should be that we will negotiate in good faith, but if the government is going to "raise more revenue" (i.e., tax more) there must be real, documented, meaningful and immediate controls put in place on government spending. The Dems of course will not accept that deal. But I would be happy to take that position to the voters.

Posted by: nc at December 03, 2012 04:57 PM (Cxl7g)

51 "GOP should do X", where X= toga! toga! toga!

lose with dignity.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:58 PM (QxSug)

52 The other 20 percent is poetry about himself and choom residue.

Crunchy figs and roach clips.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at December 03, 2012 04:58 PM (Lxw+T)

53 no food until halftime tonight when skins are pounding Eli
Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:56 PM (QxSug)



!!! No bad mouthing baby Manning!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 04:59 PM (LpQbZ)

54 "GOP should do X", where X=Get Trump In On the Negotiating.

that'd be fucking awesome.
Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 04:55 PM (QxSug)



Trump and Newt

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (LpQbZ)

55 @JDToday,

And that'd be all well and good if this got us anywhere towards balancing the budget. IIRC, the spending reductions are the rough equivalent of our annual deficit spread over 10 years.
And the increased tax rates may just offset the spending cuts when economic chilling begins to happen. (Also and related: Laffer Curve.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (i177X)

56 Need to find human femur club neighbor femur tools femur laptop wigs best human femur prices full line of femur accessories Burning Times femur soupbone

Posted by: Remy human femurs at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (5JmKY)

57 @53

Eli Manning = Nailing Men

Anagrams never lie!

Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (a0nis)

58 If I were Boehner, the day after the election I'd have had House staff working on how to get a $1T tax increase that got 80% of that, plus or minus, from Obama-voting states and 90% of that 80%, plus or minus, from Obama-voting counties.

Clobber them. Crush them. Squeeze them until the pips squeak.


Posted by: JEM at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (o+SC1)

59 **No bad mouthing baby Manning!**

lolz, it's hard to be selling high quality watches when your public persona is low IQ doofus.

BTW, until skins get winning record, he's Bob. I agree with the Giant who said that.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (QxSug)

60 Thought I saw somewhere that SCOAMF has already poo-pooed Boehner's counter-non-proposal-proposal.


Either he let's it burn or he gives in. This is the dangerous point.

I've got a bad feeling about the George Hamilton Boehner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (XkWWK)

61
You know, this would also be the perfect opportunity for the national GOP to call out the media.

1) Obama is already breaking his campaign promises, which the media promoted heavily and is currently ignoring.

2) The media has lied to the public about the necessity of entitlement reform, spending cuts and how raising taxes on the wealthy will only fund the government for a few weeks at best.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (sGU4F)

62


This isn't a fiscal cliff, this has been a slow drowning and the anchor is about to hit the bottom.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (LpQbZ)

63 54 Trump and Newt
Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:00 PM (LpQbZ)


Fuck it. Newt and Mark Levin. BOOM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (XkWWK)

64 "Fundamentally Transform"

Perpetual campaign is perpetual.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 03, 2012 05:02 PM (X/+QT)

65 62 This isn't a fiscal cliff, this has been a slow drowning and the anchor is about to hit the bottom.
Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (LpQbZ)

America sleeps with the fishes...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:02 PM (XkWWK)

66
Um, the whole strategy of going over the cliff to reduce rates in January hinges on the Republicans suddenly seeing the light.

Rope him in.

(Probably racist, but I'll wait for Toure to make the final decision on rope metaphors)

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2012 05:02 PM (TR60b)

67 "GOP should do X", where X=change nature of multibillion dollar media industry targeted against them.

Why didn't we think of that earlier.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:02 PM (QxSug)

68 8
Screw the metaphorical shit. I want them all to go over a real cliff.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (pPjld)


Paul Ryan knows all about pushing people off of cliffs.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 03, 2012 05:03 PM (X/+QT)

69 71% of people that are on food stamps have been on them for more than 5 years. 40% have been on them for 10 fucking years, EVERY YEAR.

For children, how do we distinguish this? For adults, I would propose that they dig fucking ditches every day to keep getting these benefits.

Unable to feed yourself for 10 years??? This needs to be shut down immediately.

In 2010 we spent $57B on food stamps. I would cut that in half. Immediately. (within one year - i.e., by Jan. 2014). With a further goal to get this under $10B in the near term.

In 2010 we spent $41B in housing assistance. I would cut that in half. Immediately (within one year - i.e., by Jan. 2014). With the further goal to get this under $10B in the near term.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:03 PM (tVTLU)

70 Look at the bright side, our benevolent leader will always feel our pain.

From Hawaii.

Posted by: GnuBreed, in need of 54 trees and a new liver at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (ccXZP)

71 The best way to describe Eli Manning's looks is Dumbface.

Every time I see his face, all I can think of is Duuuuuuuhhhhhh.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (UK9cE)

72 "GOP should do X", where X=negotiate based on pork and waste. "Why isn't Obama cutting $10 million office parties for Dept. Treasury," or whatever else hole the $ is being dumped down.

I think this could work, if Boehner's could point to big ticket items, tie cuts to unpopular things.

may be tricky though. better fold instead.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (QxSug)

73 BONER:

1. Pass a bill extending all the tax rates

2. Declare this is your one and only counter offer

3. Every day, twice a day hold a press coneference where you ask Obama/Reid why they won't sign on to extending **** MIDDLE CLASS **** tax rates

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (HDgX3)

74 I just saved us $50B in immediate cuts that are for every year. $950B to go, where do we get them??

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (tVTLU)

75 Let. It. Burn.

Burn. Baby. Burn.

Burnin'. Down. The. House.

Posted by: Hair Seldon, Psychohistorian at December 03, 2012 05:05 PM (r2z3p)

76

From WeaselZippers:

GOP Considering “Doomsday” Scenario On Fiscal Cliff: Allow Vote On Obama’s Class Warfare Tax Hikes, Offer Nothing On Debt Ceiling, Unemployment, Loopholes…

http://tinyurl.com/c37fxox

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:05 PM (LpQbZ)

77
So, the take from the article is:


The fiscal cliff is only important for its' relativepolitical advantage to the parties.


Bastards!

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:06 PM (1Y+hH)

78
I think this could work, if Boehner's could point to big ticket items, tie cuts to unpopular things.



may be tricky though. better fold instead.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (QxSug)


How about we start making him pay for his OWN fucking vacations. That'll relieve a few hundred million right there.

This shit's easy.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:06 PM (UK9cE)

79 the only things the DeadSkins are going to pound tonight is their tiny dicks

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 03, 2012 05:06 PM (Dll6b)

80 There's a big thing among trial lawyers that
everything is negotiable. As I once mentioned to a lawyer, that is
entirely premised on each side having something the other wants. If
that is not the case, no amount of negotiating can reach an agreement.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Also on Teams Daryl and Glenn. at December 03, 2012 04:46 PM


Some of us DO have something Choom Boy wants, dear AtC: a few dollars left that we were planning on spending wantonly on ourselves for food, a roof, and racist stuff like that.

But since there seems to be no "both sides" in D.C. right now -- everyone there is intent on keeping their little fiefdoms and positions of "power" intact -- all we can do is line up and toss our last few coins in the basket so the Free Shit Express can keep on rolling.

Boner and Osama Obama are on the same side. Both are The Enemy.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at December 03, 2012 05:06 PM (yKUrR)

81
Pass everything that Obama wants, but include a rider that forbids Obama from playing golf until he's out of office.

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2012 05:07 PM (TR60b)

82 we gonna pound Alfred Morris down your loud pie holes. That's a spicy meat a ball.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:07 PM (QxSug)

83 @81

C'mon now dude, that's just inhumane.

Posted by: JDTAY at December 03, 2012 05:08 PM (a0nis)

84 The best way to describe Eli Manning's looks is Dumbface.

Every time I see his face, all I can think of is Duuuuuuuhhhhhh.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:04 PM (UK9cE)



meh, how many jocks are smart? how many are good looking?

how many are good looking and smart?

how many can QB and win the Superbowl?

(for the record, my fav is Peyton; 2nd is Aaron)

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:08 PM (LpQbZ)

85 76 Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:05 PM (LpQbZ)

This is a pretty good strategery. Force a vote just on the two middle tier income levels. If the Dems reject it, it shows that they are willing to raise taxes on the so-called "middle class."

This was Levin's idea last week or so. I hope they do this. It's a good move, if there is no other option.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:08 PM (XkWWK)

86 Oh, please, Brer Boehner, don't throw me off the fiscal cliff into the briar patch!

Posted by: Brer Rabbit Obama at December 03, 2012 05:09 PM (Hx5uv)

87 >>>“But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

We don't want the Death Star to blow up Alderan, but the Empire is in a much better position than the Rebels should it occur.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:10 PM (sGU4F)

88 But do they do this because;

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 04:43 PM (sGU4F)


3) Like leftists since Rousseau, they think that utopia can be achieved if you just get rid of everyone who disagrees with your vision of utopia, and it can't be achieved if they exist.

That's why they had to dominate the MFM, education, and entertainment, because if enough people *believe*, the laws of physics can be repealed and we'll all live happily ever after.

And if people refuse to believe, they are sabotaging the effort to purify and perfect the world.

The left have a Solution for that, too.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:10 PM (bxiXv)

89 No matter what conservatives do, say, or write - we are always going to be blamed and lied about by the media. They will always portray us as one step below rapist pedophiles. (because hey, those guys vote Democratic, so gotta keep on their good side)

It does not matter what we say. It never matters at all - they will always always show us as villains. No amount of planning or stategery is ever going to make the media show the Dems poorly when they could more easily show us as being violent monkeymen who are to blame.

So why, why do we EVER talk about messaging and "being careful" around the media? It NEVER works.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at December 03, 2012 05:10 PM (IOSGZ)

90 lolz, but in these negotiations, Obama has certain disadvantages.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:10 PM (QxSug)

91 meh, how many jocks are smart? how many are good looking?



how many are good looking and smart?



how many can QB and win the Superbowl?



(for the record, my fav is Peyton; 2nd is Aaron)

Posted by: beach a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:08 PM (LpQbZ)


Doesn't matter. Eli's face == Duuuhhhhhhhhh.

Then, when he throws a pick or misses a receiver for a 1st down, the little downs syndrome head flip and "awww shucks" look just makes me laugh.

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (UK9cE)

92 disadvantages?

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (QxSug)

93 They're insane.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (QxSug)

94
Let It Burn is not correct.


It's going to burn, there is no "letting."

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (1Y+hH)

95 "71% of people that are on food stamps have been on them for more than 5
years. 40% have been on them for 10 fucking years, EVERY YEAR."

Do you have a link for that? I would like to rub it in some faces on FB.

Posted by: MrShad at December 03, 2012 05:12 PM (Xqfwb)

96 "GOP should do X", where X=Loudly Ask Where's the Good Faith. Obama is still playing politics.

who will hear our calls?

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:12 PM (QxSug)

97 Then, when he throws a pick or misses a receiver for a 1st down, the little downs syndrome head flip and "awww shucks" look just makes me laugh.
Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (UK9cE)


ahaha

makes me laugh, too

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:12 PM (LpQbZ)

98 watch it burn; no 'letting' necessary

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (Dll6b)

99 >>>“But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

We don't want to implement the Final Solution, but the Nazis are in a much better position than the Jews should it occur.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (sGU4F)

100 Let's see if it works now
****************************************************
When I find myself in times of troubleMr. Regan makes a returnSpeaking words of wisdom, let it burnAnd in my hour of darknessHis spirit refuses to adjournSpeaking words of wisdom, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnWhipser words of wisdom, let it burn
And when the thick headed peopleFinally show some concernThere will be an answer, let it burnFor tho they are retardedThere is still a chance they’ll learnThere will be an answer, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnThere will be an answer, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnWhipser words of wisdom, let it burn

Posted by: Hard Right at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (uhftQ)

101 ARRRRRG!

Posted by: Hard Right at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (uhftQ)

102
From ABC News and Weasel Zippers:

"Republicans are seriously considering a Doomsday Plan if fiscal cliff talks collapse entirely. It’s quite simple: House Republicans would allow a vote on extending the Bush middle class tax cuts (the bill passed in August by the Senate) and offer the President nothing more: no extension of the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on closing loopholes. Congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling."


I say...Yes!

No increase in the Debt Ceiling!

If Barky gets to keep borrowing money...then he can keep the good times rolling through the end of his term .
There would be no 'Let it Burn', if he gets an increase in the debt limit.

Posted by: wheatie at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (CM59X)

103 We are literally being led into a state of serfdom. In the truest definition of the word, with our rulers defined as the governmental ruling class.

What George the fucking Third was doing back in the 1700's was trivial compared to this.

And my fellow *spit* citizens voted for more of this.

I fucking give up.

Posted by: LGoPs at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (BJVEF)

104 86 Oh, please, Brer Boehner, don't throw me off the fiscal cliff into the briar patch!
Posted by: Brer Rabbit Obama at December 03, 2012 05:09 PM (Hx5uv)

Rascist. Obviously.

Posted by: JollyRoger at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (t06LC)

105 Let It Burn is not correct.

It's going to burn, there is no "letting."

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:11 PM (1Y+hH)


Though people have created their own variants, I think the original intent was something along the lines of "don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (bxiXv)

106 And when the thick headed peopleFinally show some
concernThere will be an answer, let it burnFor tho they are
retardedThere is still a chance they’ll learnThere will be an answer,
let it burnLet it burn, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnThere will be
an answer, let it burnLet it burn, let it burnLet it burn, let it
burnWhipser words of wisdom, let it burn

Posted by: Hard Right at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (uhftQ)


Is your space bar broken?

Posted by: © Sponge at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (UK9cE)

107 >>>89 No matter what conservatives do, say, or write - we are always going to be blamed and lied about by the media. They will always portray us as one step below rapist pedophiles. (because hey, those guys vote Democratic, so gotta keep on their good side)

What truly makes me sad is that I fear Ace and others may be right. We may be in for a hard, decades long slog of changing the culture and the media before any of this changes.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (sGU4F)

108
I agree, lets go over the cliff , umm... ant hill, and see what happens.

I don't think we have ever really had a chance to cut spending before. And because the debt has risen to such a level, spending is much more dangerous than the taxes, that everybody taxpayer will do their best to avoid anyway.

Posted by: Bob Costas, Law and Order: Special Brain Dead Victims Unit at December 03, 2012 05:15 PM (n/ubI)

109 dammit, ya'll. All obama want's to do is hire 100,000 teachers and make the rich pay their fair share.

why ya'll got to be stopping that.

I want my teachers.

oh, and there's nto that many rich people left, yo.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (QxSug)

110 >>>“But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

I don't believe anyone wants people thrown off the top of a tall building, but McClaine is in a better position than Gruber should it occur.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (sGU4F)

111

I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)

112
As one senior Republican in Congress said, “You don’t take a hostage you aren’t willing to shoot.” Republicans aren’t willing to kill the middle class tax cuts, even if extending them alone will make it harder to later extend tax cuts on the wealthy.




You know, the two gay bank robbers in "Dog Day Afternoon" were better negotiators than the Republicans....



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (kdS6q)

113 This is all small ball. We need to do some deal with the knowledge that no raise in the debt limit will be done. And when the S hits the F, don't raise the limit. Let the feds deal with fiscal reality

Posted by: JollyRoger at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (t06LC)

114 Though people have created their own variants, I think the original intent was something along the lines of "don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon."Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (bxiXv)Yes, I know. I'm just tired of people cussing those who say "Let I Burn" as ifthose saying thatare going to be responsible for something that otherwise would not happen. It's going to burn no matter what the fuckis done, wake up.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:17 PM (1Y+hH)

115 yes, the msm will spin this for obama. How is that an incentive to lose faster?

remember, in the choom addled brain of the left, 1996 is their greatest pre-obama victory. one that they seek to forever reenact.

Sorry, wasn't the case. Let's not panic.

"GOP should do X", where X=be calm and govern on.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:17 PM (QxSug)

116 "GOP should do X", where X=mockery

mockery is a good option too.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:18 PM (QxSug)

117
I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base.Posted by: beach a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)___ _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ _No offense, but that right there is funny.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:18 PM (1Y+hH)

118 What truly makes me sad is that I fear Ace and others may be right. We may be in for a hard, decades long slog of changing the culture and the media before any of this changes.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (sGU4F)


Oh, no, that's the *optimistic* path.

If that makes you sad, you may not want to hear the pessimistic ones.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:18 PM (bxiXv)

119 Hey look at this fiscal cliff while I'm over here selling Alaska to the Russians!

Posted by: Baracky Horror at December 03, 2012 05:18 PM (85EaA)

120 What truly makes me sad is that I fear Ace and others may be right. We may be in for a hard, decades long slog of changing the culture and the media before any of this changes.

I think Bill Whittle is the closest to being right.

Build a society/culture outside the current one.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:19 PM (LpQbZ)

121 >>>“But they are prepared for it, and are in a better position than the Republicans should it occur.”

I don't believe anyone wants to murder mob bosses, but Tommy DeVito is in a better position than Billy Batts should it occur.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:19 PM (sGU4F)

122 *What truly makes me sad is that I fear Ace and others may be right. We may be in for a hard, decades long slog of changing the culture and the media before any of this changes.*

when I get full of doubt, I see us waiting 20 years for an Eisenhower to emerge from WWIII to take the reins from President Chelsea Clinton's last term.

Posted by: so joeindc44 is full of all sorts of hindsight now, like JFK? at December 03, 2012 05:20 PM (QxSug)

123 >>>If that makes you sad, you may not want to hear the pessimistic ones.

Not now, I'm out of JD.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:20 PM (sGU4F)

124 "Build a society/culture outside the current one."

Okay...

How?

Posted by: MrShad at December 03, 2012 05:20 PM (Xqfwb)

125 Yes, I know. I'm just tired of people cussing those who say "Let I Burn" as if those saying that are going to be responsible for something that otherwise would not happen. It's going to burn no matter what the fuck is done, wake up.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:17 PM (1Y+hH)


Well if you didn't want to get into massive, unproductive infighting over messaging and factions, why are you a conservative?!?!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:21 PM (bxiXv)

126 We may be in for a hard, decades long slog of changing the culture and the media before any of this changes.Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:14 PM (sGU4F)Change the media? You willing to march in with torches and burn the presses to the ground? There will be no changing the culture either. You willnot EVER turn a lib around in thinking any differently than they do.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 05:21 PM (pPjld)

127 And my fellow *spit* citizens voted for more of this.

I fucking give up.


Not really.

Your fellow *spit* citizens voted for free Obamaphones. That THIS would also happen is probably beyond their ability to comprehend ...

Posted by: Adriane at December 03, 2012 05:21 PM (gh+mp)

128 re: "So, the take from the article is: The fiscal cliff is only important for its' relative political advantage to the parties."

That might be the most effective form of "liberal bias" in political media.

Non-political media have taught us well, at least for the entire time I've been alive, that there's a Good Party and an Evil Party, so news that's presented in the least deceptive way political news ever is, where a story is told as a matter of partisan squabble/advantage/etc., is really a Good vs. Evil story.

If you read a story like that in isolation, it can pass as an objectively "negative" story about the Good Party.

But that's not the how it functions.

Posted by: oblig. at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (cePv8)

129
No increase in the Debt Ceiling!
Posted by: wheatie




Nothing preventing Obama from going to the Supremes and getting a ruling that the right to raise the debt ceiling is an integral power of the presidency or whatnot.

For that matter, expect any eventual "cuts" to social programs to end up in the courts where they'll be reversed as racist or something.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (kdS6q)

130 obama has no idea, and never did, how to govern. he knows how to campaign, but not govern and both internationally and domestically we are going in the crapper.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (79ueO)

131 sock off.

AND
Posted by: wheatie at December 03, 2012 05:13 PM (CM59X)


Never happen. Boehner is just saying its doomsday, its a way to give Odictator what he wants. And then later increase the debt limit, which they will do. Its only a doomsday plan for the republicans (and the country).

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (n/ubI)

132 While they are at it, why not also demand that the minimum wage be increased to $20.00 per hour.

They don't think raising taxes on one sector of the country will have any cause and effect why would they think raising the minimum wage would have any effect. Hell, extend the unemployment time limit also. Go full Monty.

Posted by: polynikes at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (m2CN7)

133 Just a thought. I'm starting to think that even if we go into sequestration that the dems will completely ignore it. It will give Choom the crisis he needs to start governing by edict. Who's going to stop him? The repubs? Bwhahahahaha!

This country is fucked in ALL directions. It will burn. Oh, yes, it will burn.


All of you in the red states? Stand fast and implore your governors and legislators to resist the dictatorial governence coming your way.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (YRq5F)

134
I watched LAWLESS the other night.

One scene had Forest Bondurant explaining the value of fear to his stupid little brother Jack.

Forest said it's all about how far you're willing to go. If they fear us, Forest explained, we control them. Without the fear, we die.



Posted by: soothsayer at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (jUytm)

135 @124
Build a society/culture outside the current one."
That reminds me of "The front fell off."
"Its simple, we towed it outside the environment."

Posted by: JollyRoger at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (t06LC)

136 The rich will do fine past the cliff's edge. It's everybody else who won't. So lets get OUT THERE already. The fucks voted for it...give it to them good and hard. There's no other way to get the Pelosis, reeds, and B+rrys out of their seats.

Posted by: torabora at December 03, 2012 05:23 PM (mtvng)

137 Are we to the part where the peasants begin hanging the journolists from lamp posts yet?

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 03, 2012 05:24 PM (6H6FZ)

138 Well if you didn't want to get into massive, unproductive infighting over messaging and factions, why are you a conservative?!?!Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:21 PM (bxiXv)____ ____ ____ _____ ______ ___ ____ ____ _____ ____ __Just what I need, another dilemma. I'm going for a walk to cool off.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:24 PM (1Y+hH)

139 OMG...doom, we're all gonna die or go bankrupt or some such!
Look, these f**king politicians have known for a year (as I have) that all this was coming at the end of the year. What do they do?? Why, they wait 'til the last couple weeks to even start to discuss it. I'm fed up with the whole sorry lot of 'em.
We need term limits, and we need to clean house. Want to run for an elected office?? Fine, you can only serve 2 terms. That could be 2 terms as senator, then 2 terms in another elected office up to and including dog catcher. After that, when you run out of 'titles' that appeal to you you get to go back into private life and reap what you've sown.

Posted by: JMKN1 at December 03, 2012 05:24 PM (JMKN1)

140 This is a pretty good strategery. Force a vote just on the two middle
tier income levels. If the Dems reject it, it shows that they are
willing to raise taxes on the so-called "middle class."


You should make up your mind.

One minute it's "oh no Boehner is going to cave we need to stop him!!!", the next it's "cave faster please!!!"

Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 03, 2012 05:24 PM (SY2Kh)

141 The closer we get to Jan 1, the more I'm thinking of "running red" with the dog.

after the fiscal cliff, the next big threshold is the debt ceiling.

It will breech at the next bond auction, followed by about 2 months of treasury wiggle room. Between march 1 and march 15 the treasury will be out of tricks to make things work, and a serious "come to Jesus" moment will be forced in regards to our debt.

That might end up being a very, very, bad day.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 03, 2012 05:24 PM (svdpV)

142 the scary thing about the left is one of the more mockable things. they telegraph their plays.

We know they want 1996.

We also know that they don't mind if we become free shit nation.

"GOP should do X", where X=realize this

the point being, we can't be the party of bootstraps, no free shit for you, when the other party put is in Great Depression 2.0 and normal people are scared of losing everything.

second, we know Obama is acting in bad faith, we need to make that the only answer we give when discussing this monkey circus.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:25 PM (QxSug)

143
We have the House Republicans plain telling the Democrats exactly how far their willing to go -- and it ain't very far.

You don't make much of a poker player when you keep showing everyone you're hand and biting your lip.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 03, 2012 05:25 PM (jUytm)

144 88 The left have a Solution for that, too.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:10 PM (bxiXv)


The Final Solution, nein?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:26 PM (XkWWK)

145 111 I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base.
Posted by: beach a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)

I'VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GOOOOOOO

Posted by: Lt. Mayo to Lewis Gossett Jr. at December 03, 2012 05:26 PM (t06LC)

146 112 You know, the two gay bank robbers in "Dog Day Afternoon" were better negotiators than the Republicans....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (kdS6q)


They were much better than the police, until the point where Sonny Wertzig got his head blown off in the bus on the runway.

But up until then, yeah, they were masterful.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:27 PM (XkWWK)

147 ** I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base. **

they love to make us feel depressed and isolated.

fight it.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:28 PM (QxSug)

148 How do you say "acting in bad faith" in the dwarfish Tongue?

d e m o c r a t

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2012 05:28 PM (79ueO)

149 MR. SHAD:
Here you go, don't know how to create a link but it's from the Heritage Foundation:

Confronting the Unsustainable Growth of Welfare Entitlements: Principles of Reform and the Next Steps
June 24, 2010

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:28 PM (tVTLU)

150 obama has no idea, and never did, how to govern. he knows how to campaign, but not govern and both internationally and domestically we are going in the crapper.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2012 05:22 PM (79ueO)


--------------------------------------


Please, everyone. Dear Leader wants this country destroyed. He's not interested in governing. He's interested in ruling.

Underestimating him has been one of our faults. Let's start looking at him for what he desires to be. Dictator for life. The man who single-handedly brought the USA tototal defeat.

Posted by: Soona at December 03, 2012 05:28 PM (YRq5F)

151 145 I'VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GOOOOOOO
Posted by: Lt. Mayo to Lewis Gossett Jr. at December 03, 2012 05:26 PM (t06LC)



Why, you crazy! The fall will probably kill ya!


Zombie Butch Cassidy

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:28 PM (XkWWK)

152 zero hedge. debt limit is $63 billion away.

That's like 8 hrs from now?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:29 PM (QxSug)

153 I knew all this pumpin' iron would get the attention of the ladies, not to mention my new IROC-Z.

But the dudes? No way man! You gotta be shittin' me!

Posted by: Physical Cliff at December 03, 2012 05:29 PM (PD2Gi)

154
You don't make much of a poker player when you keep showing everyone you're hand and biting your lip.
====
Ba-zing!

Posted by: Baracky Horror at December 03, 2012 05:29 PM (85EaA)

155 124 "Build a society/culture outside the current one."

Okay...

How?
Posted by: MrShad at December 03, 2012 05:20 PM (Xqfwb)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s02SypCcYIc

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:29 PM (LpQbZ)

156 @ Prescient11 -- Thanks!

Posted by: MrShad at December 03, 2012 05:30 PM (Xqfwb)

157 It's not true that we don't have anything the democrats/zero wants?

In reality, they don't want their crazy policies enacted in an immediate fashion. They don't want to OWN it.

So, threaten to make them own it and in a serious way. The fiscal cliff is one. The debt ceiling is another.

Seriously, make them OWN IT.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:30 PM (tVTLU)

158 US President Barack Obama delivered a message to the Syrian regime, regarding the use of chemical: "If you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable," Obama said Monday. (Yizthak Benhorin, Washington)


obama to Muslim Brotherhood: Bro's, how's it hanging?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2012 05:31 PM (79ueO)

159 "GOP should X" where X=make the left own their bad decisions.

Sorry, you may have missed last 6 years. Bush's tax cuts caused recession, not fannie mae, freddie mac.

Only the GOP believes in ownership society.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:31 PM (QxSug)

160 It seems like Obama has his plan in place for Cloward-piven.

At this point, each moron should be wondering, "what's
my plan for when TSHTF?"

If you are fat and out of shape, it's time to start getting in the best shape of your life.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 03, 2012 05:31 PM (svdpV)

161 Seriously, make them OWN IT.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:30 PM (tVTLU)


Go ahead.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:31 PM (bxiXv)

162
Good, we're past the 100-comment mark, so I can safely go O/T.

I was driving down the road today and saw a gray car with a vanity plate that spelled "SHIBUMI."

Just thought y'all like to know that. I now return you to your regular programming.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at December 03, 2012 05:32 PM (yiIja)

163 So, once the country is officially broke, busted, penniless, then can Texas leave? I am pretty sure even a constitutional lawyer would agree the covenant between the states wasn't for mutual destruction because one/two groups can't stop spending! I would surly argue that the States are not getting what they are being billed for so the contract/union is null and void.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at December 03, 2012 05:32 PM (gdGJ1)

164 "Fiscal Cliff" - ooooooh, so scary! The newest boogie-man for the Media to pimp. This is all bad cabaret. What comes of it is the Dems and Pubbies posture - something happens - and victory will be claimed by both sides. Let It Burn.

Posted by: tubal at December 03, 2012 05:32 PM (BoE3Z)

165 Stupidity and its consequences need to be painful. And many voted for painful.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 03, 2012 05:32 PM (osh8D)

166 No continuing resolution and no budget pretty much shuts it down. They'll spend the next couple years doing nothing, enforcing nothing, and America will be free for the first time in 100 years.

Posted by: IBT at December 03, 2012 05:33 PM (2t6Gz)

167 Why can't we get that ex-Royal Navy guy who read his kids the riot act for cocking up their lives to lead the negotiations?

He'd probably wind up getting SCOAMF and the Dems to all resign!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:33 PM (XkWWK)

168 Predictably, Wilbon on PTL goes for the gun-grabbing position on PTL. Yo Mikey, you think if the Chiefs player's girlfriend had had a gun, she might be alive? You think if Sean Taylor had had a gun, his daughter would still have her daddy around? Libtard.

Posted by: logprof at December 03, 2012 05:33 PM (gBuIk)

169
You all do realize that Democrats are flooding the offices of 'moderate' Republicans in the House with letters, calls, emails voicing concern about going over the cliff.

They are pretending, of course, to be life long Republicans.

I know this because the Left is pro-active. This is what they do. All day. Every day.

We, on the other hand, do not even bother. Maybe we should.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 03, 2012 05:34 PM (jUytm)

170 If the 'Bush era' tax tables aren't continued I intend to go into every store where I would have spent money and let them know they 'own' the problem as I walk out without spending a dime.

'Sucks to be you' is the extent of my sympathy.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at December 03, 2012 05:34 PM (feFL6)

171 If no deal is reached by the end of the month, all the Bush tax cuts — for the rich and not-rich — will evaporate. Obama would then demand in early January that the new Congress immediately pass legislation to reinstate the lower tax rates for the bottom 98 percent.

****

Precisely what I said he would do. The only caveat, I said he IS eager to do it.

Then they become the Obama tax cuts, not the Bush tax cuts.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 03, 2012 05:35 PM (piMMO)

172 @163

Sure, any state can leave. Its called a war for secession. See S. Ossetia and Chechnia for the most recent examples.
I tend to think that modern democracies lack the balls to wage full combat to keep states from breaking away. See Catalonia and Spain for that example.
Pretty much we're extra legal here. If SCOTUS tells Texas to come back, why should they listen?

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (t06LC)

173 Is Bob Costas on Monday Night Football tonight? Because I'm looking for a free contraceptives and abortion on demand rant mixed in with the color commentary, You know, for the little people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (Hx5uv)

174 >>>I know this because the Left is pro-active. This is what they do. All day. Every day.
We, on the other hand, do not even bother. Maybe we should.

I think the biggest problem there is that we all have jobs and families and responsibilities outside of politics.

It is far easier for the left to load up busloads of union fuckwits and unemployed college dipshits than it is for us..

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (sGU4F)

175 Burn, baby, burn! Fiscal inferno!

Posted by: Elected Trammps at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (pPjld)

176
nood

Posted by: soothsayer at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (jUytm)

177
162
Good, we're past the 100-comment mark, so I can safely go O/T.

I was driving down the road today and saw a gray car with a vanity plate that spelled "SHIBUMI."

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It's Japanese...for "artsy fartsy".

Posted by: wheatie at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (CM59X)

178

1. Go over the cliff
2. Introduce bill lowering all tax rates.
3. Profit!!!!!

Posted by: MJ at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (TR60b)

179 Didn't realize there was a 100 post rule before we could talk about something besides what the Media programs us for.
Just got in from hanging the party stuff for Baby Jesus Birthday. The usual - on my part at least. Fucking lights don't work, not enough extension cords, stepped in dog shit in the yard. ( My 100 pound "puppy"). My usual cursing and ranting, 3 trips to fucking Ace hardware... Anyway, Happy Birthday Jesus. Sorry I showed my ass.

Posted by: tubal at December 03, 2012 05:37 PM (BoE3Z)

180 152,

Debt is technically counted primarily from bond issuances. After a breach there is then further wiggle room via accounting shenanigans.

We breach this month, but time actually runs out in march.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 03, 2012 05:37 PM (Da/fK)

181
I wish we would step of the fiscal bump, its the only thing that would ever make the WH negotiate, but we know what will happen. The GOP will crumble, there will be increases in taxes above 200k and spending will increase.

If this was not the case, when Obastard said no deal without tax rate increases, Boehner would have said no deal without true spending cuts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (n/ubI)

182 It is far easier for the left to load up busloads of union fuckwits and unemployed college dipshits than it is for us..

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (sGU4F)


It's their social life, their dream life and their job.

For most conservatives, it's none of the above.

The handful of obsessive blog commenters don't make a dent.

Now, if someone has a way to help the people who are *not* energized and engaged become so in a way that isn't obsessive and could actually work, I'm all over that. That's the turnaround people are looking for.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (bxiXv)

183 >>> "Change the media? You willing to march in with torches and burn the presses to the ground? There will be no changing the culture either. You willnot EVER turn a lib around in thinking any differently than they do."

All it takes is for one Conservative leader - Rush, Palin, Levin or Beck to announce we're boycotting NBC. How many millions would do that? I think the response would be enormous. EVERYONE hates the MSM bastards.

The MSM relies on YOU. YOU have the power.
Oh yeah. Enjoy your Sunday Night Football on NBC tonight.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (cVYiZ)

184 Just had a horrible thought. Mooch runs for Pres. with DUUH WON for vice-pres. A sure winner for the Free-shit crowd.

Posted by: harleycowb at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (wSTfB)

185 Our fiscal situation is FUBARed beyond any reasonable hope. There is no deus ex machina magic moment or technology hidden in the wings ready to bail us out.

I like to think about the positive side of our equation too though -- We produce more food than we can eat. We have energy resources to be self sustaining, though it will take a while to get back to 100% of what we use now. We have enough refineries and chemical plants to produce all the fertilizer and fuel we need. The skills of the populace will not be suddenly lost.

The physical plant of the US (homes, bridges, roads, water systems) will still be here, though ownership questions will be in the air. Our electronics will definitely suck for a while, since we no longer produce them except for CPUs.

I keep these things in mind as a sort of beacon that not all will be lost, no matter what dumbassery our current leaders have led us to.

Posted by: GnuBreed, 54 trees for TFG and none for we at December 03, 2012 05:39 PM (ccXZP)

186 I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base.
Posted by: beach a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)

I'VE GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO GOOOOOOO
Posted by: Lt. Mayo to Lewis Gossett Jr. at December 03, 2012 05:26 PM (t06LC)



If Rand Paul runs, I'm voting for him.

If a Tea Party candidate is out there that I like, I am voting for him/her.

I'm not voting for another Bush. Nor Christie. I'm done with the GOP if they f*ck this up.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:40 PM (LpQbZ)

187 I know Jennifer Rubin thinks the Red Team is playing this perfectly, but they aren't.

First, they adopted the Fiscal Cliff language. That just sounds like a bad thing, right there, and something to avoid. And then they made it sound like the worst thing, ever. So, they set it up from the get go that they would do whatever to avoid it.

OF COURSE the Dems are willing to go over because it isn't as bad as all that, they know it, but they know the Republicans are afraid of it and being blamed for it.

The Republicans should have said as soon as the Super Committee failed that they would make it their top priority, they just need to elect enough people to fix it.



Posted by: Golan Globus at December 03, 2012 05:40 PM (/1U3u)

188 the best part about this bullshit charade of obama's patented bullshit crisis mongering is we're going to get another classic obama bullshit "pass it now" speech.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:41 PM (QxSug)

189
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (cVYiZ)





I stopped watching network television 14 years ago.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 05:41 PM (pPjld)

190
Posted by: harleycowb at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (wSTfB)





He seeks a third term or moochelle runs.....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 05:42 PM (pPjld)

191 I wonder if the GOP realizes this is their last chance, even with their base.Posted by: beach a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:16 PM (LpQbZ)___ _____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ _

No offense, but that right there is funny.


Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at December 03, 2012 05:18 PM (1Y+hH)


How many million of the GOP base didn't vote this round? It's only going to get worse.

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:42 PM (LpQbZ)

192 173 Is Bob Costas on Monday Night Football tonight? Because I'm looking for a free contraceptives and abortion on demand rant mixed in with the color commentary, You know, for the little people.

Posted by: WalrusRex at December 03, 2012 05:36 PM (Hx5uv)

--No, Costas is an NBC man. If ihad not had my baby boy in my lap last night, I would have done a lot more than shake my head at his and Whitlock's) stupidity.

Posted by: logprof at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (gBuIk)

193 >>>President’s initial offer late last week... is blunt evidence that the
White House is interested in making it appear as though they are willing
to deal without actually being willing to deal.

Second term, same as the first term. So how much is this holster of cock strategist, Paul Belaga, making per year?

Posted by: Fritz at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (d8K+M)

194 Merovign:

I'm trying!!!! But I'm not in congress unfortunately or fortunately I suppose.

Posted by: Prescient11 at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (tVTLU)

195 Fuck it. Newt and Mark Levin. BOOM.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 03, 2012 05:01 PM (XkWWK)


Oh, shiny objects! I like it!

Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (LpQbZ)

196 How many million of the GOP base didn't vote this round? It's only going to get worse.
Posted by: beach & a kindle at December 03, 2012 05:42 PM (LpQbZ)

Well they are fucking idiots also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (79ueO)

197
185Our fiscal situation is FUBARed beyond any reasonable hope. There is no deus ex machina magic moment or technology hidden in the wings ready to bail us out





We sit atop the largest oil and natural gas reserves ever discoverd.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 05:43 PM (pPjld)

198 There are other things that can be done v.v the debt ceiling, all of which are basicly the height of scum and villainy in economic terms. As the battle over that approaches, I have no doubt the left will entertain them all.

Negative interest rate bonds, 401k seizures, forcing 401ks into NIRBs, balance sheet shenanigans, currency shenanigans. All of which come out to be disastrous if implemented.

The real crisis is twofold. Besides the debt ceiling itself, is that Obama may attempt to provoke a Constitutional crisis by skipping congress on the debt ceiling. He is a "constitutional scholar" the media will tell us, and he'll cite the 14th amendment.

If that occurs, it will be a dark day for the republic.

Posted by: Hopeless at December 03, 2012 05:44 PM (Zc+kn)

199 And even the Democratic strategist set insists that their side isn’t interested in taking the leap — although they quickly note that if that was to happen, the party would be in position to benefit politically.

Even with his propaganda wing working overtime to make it so, that's a pretty balsy assumption for a guy who, it appears, won't win more than about 50.9% of the vote in the last election.

Posted by: DocJ at December 03, 2012 05:44 PM (V20sy)

200 First, they adopted the Fiscal Cliff language.

Posted by: Golan Globus at December 03, 2012 05:40 PM (/1U3u)


The GOP adopted it because the MFM adopted it. The MFM adopted it because the left adopted it. The left adopted it so they could tell a lie - namely that we're talking about different issues than we were last year.

The term itself is propaganda designed to shift blame. People were getting the word out that sequestration wasn't the GOP's fault, so the term had to go. I'm sure low-info voters have problems with four-syllable words, too.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (bxiXv)

201 He seeks a third term or moochelle runs.....
He can't run for a third term but as far as I know there's not reason he can't be vice-pres. She'll be for show while he runs everything.
Or else he'll try to call something a national emergency and attempt to suspend all elections.

Posted by: harleycowb at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (wSTfB)

202 **How many million of the GOP base didn't vote this round? It's only going to get worse.**

um, no. everyone voted. That was all we had.

We=GOP plus Independents.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (QxSug)

203 The MSM relies on YOU. YOU have the power.

Oh yeah. Enjoy your Sunday Night Football on NBC tonight.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 03, 2012 05:38 PM (cVYiZ)

_______________
And don't forget to watch 3 hours of ESPN (owned by ABC) to get analysis of the game afterwards.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (HDgX3)

204 http://tinyurl.com/cbc28zu (dallas news)

Democrats: It's not campaigning, it's "community education"

We are incapable of responsibility, wingnutz.

Posted by: 50 Shades of Grey at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (rzTDZ)

205 It's politics folks.

How is Obama doing anything but canny politics? The deals will get done, the GOP is just having a sad little pity party that they can't get their way.

If the shoe were on the other foot you'd be all excited.

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 05:47 PM (t1NLo)

206
Posted by: harleycowb at December 03, 2012 05:45 PM (wSTfB)





Roosevelt was elected four friggin' times during the worst economy our country had ever witnessed. He runs for a third term because the people love him and teh free goodies.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 03, 2012 05:48 PM (pPjld)

207 espn gets their money from cable bundling. It's insane. It's baked in the cake, a lot of cable bill (proportionately) is owned by espn

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at December 03, 2012 05:48 PM (QxSug)

208 If the GOP was crafty, they'd put together an iPhone app that presented their offer of a deal as an a la carte menu. Pick from a list of tax loophole deductions, spending cuts, medicare and S.S. reforms, etc. Let them Dems know that the House GOP will agree to any mix they come up with using the App.

Posted by: Serious Cat at December 03, 2012 05:49 PM (UypUQ)

209 62






This isn't a fiscal cliff, this has been a slow drowning and the anchor is about to hit the bottom.


No, its a cliff. Its one of those Wiley E. Coyote style cliffs where we went off it a long time ago and are just now realizing that we are going to fall.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at December 03, 2012 05:51 PM (ZMzpb)

210 182 It is far easier for the left to load up busloads of union fuckwits and unemployed college dipshits than it is for us..


It's their social life, their dream life and their job.

For most conservatives, it's none of the above.

The handful of obsessive blog commenters don't make a dent.

Now, if someone has a way to help the people who are *not* energized and engaged become so in a way that isn't obsessive and could actually work, I'm all over that. That's the turnaround people are looking for.




When everything is on fire, there is lots of free time for everybody.

♪ Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn. ♪

Posted by: Fire Marshall Bill at December 03, 2012 05:52 PM (SSWdi)

211 205 It's politics folks. How is Obama doing anything but canny politics? The deals will get done, the GOP is just having a sad little pity party that they can't get their way. If the shoe were on the other foot you'd be all excited.
Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 05:47 PM (t1NLo)

Much like a parasite that destorys the host, its not.
What we're saying is the Obama "solution" is not a solution at all, and that without major reforms, the nation will spin off into oblivion. No asshole, this is not all fun and games over some point scoring yet irrelevant decision like where to put the fucking community center.

Posted by: Jollyroger at December 03, 2012 05:53 PM (t06LC)

212 205 It's politics folks.

I sincerely hope you get laid-off before me when the economy tanks because your hero is too busy to "play politics" than to come-up with a solution to this disaster, dipshit.

It will still suck for me of course, but it will give me at least a little bit of satisfaction knowing that somewhere you're sucking your thumb wondering why "politics" isn't stopping the world from burning around you.

Posted by: DocJ at December 03, 2012 05:57 PM (V20sy)

213 I didn't say it was point scoring. Want to close the deficit? Raise some taxes. Every time someone from the GOP gets control, they cut revenues and spend like crazy.

Raise the taxes back to Clinton era. BFD, you don't get your way. That's why there was an election. And don't worry all you millionaires, not going to touch the first $250,000 of your income.

Elections have consequences. I remember hearing that quite a bit 8 years ago.

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 05:57 PM (t1NLo)

214 @213 Raise the taxes back to Clinton era.

Swell - now where do you get the next $700B or so to close the deficit? Specifically.

Posted by: DocJ at December 03, 2012 06:00 PM (V20sy)

215 The idea that Obama just doesn't play fair is hilarious coming from you clowns. Sky is always falling, apocalypse is always right around the corner, hunker down with your guns and go Galt.

In your heads.

Then get up and go back to work in the morning with a hangover.

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 06:00 PM (t1NLo)

216 The House needs to pass two bills.

The first one MAKES PERMANENT the "middle class" Bush tax rates.

The second one MAKES PERMANENT the "upper income" Bush tax rates, and includes the various 'revenue enhancements (phasing out of deductions for state and local taxes, ending the Hollywood tax breaks, etc.) necessary to avoid sequester.

Then let Harry Reid sort it out.

If we go over the cliff it is all on him and the SCOAMF.

Posted by: ThomasD at December 03, 2012 06:01 PM (FA+FN)

217 Oh, and those 'revenue enhancements?' NOT PERMANENT.

Posted by: ThomasD at December 03, 2012 06:01 PM (FA+FN)

218 I am not that concerned with cutting the deficit right now. Get juice in the system first. That gets the economy back on track.

You've been sold the notion that the deficit is the meanest monster ever to face the USA (after Obama of course). You've been lied to, just like you were lied to by a ludicrous right-wing bubble that completely convinced you that Romney was gonna win.

Suckers.

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 06:05 PM (t1NLo)

219 Let it burn...

Posted by: Golden Boy at December 03, 2012 06:06 PM (Efk+H)

220 Get juice in the system first.

I've finally figured it out - Olaf == Paul Krugman

Only someone as truly half-witted, insane and stupid as Paulie Krugnutz could think that 6-trillion of deficit spending, including about 2-trillion on direct "stimulus" over a 4-year period has to be matched by even moreso to "get juice in the system".

Bye, Paul. I don't argue with crazy and stupid.

Posted by: DocJ at December 03, 2012 06:09 PM (V20sy)

221 I'm going to go ahead and make another prediction.

You "Let It Burn" morons are just as deluded as you were about romney. Nothing's gonna burn. The economy will continue to improve, and that backup supply of dried beans and ammo is just going to sit there in your basements while you get older and everything and everybody moves on.

You guys are excitable suckers. Prime tools to be exploited by moneyed interests.

The gop will eventually drop the scare rhetoric about the debt and will begin to gin up a new phony war in about 18 months.

Wanna bet?

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 06:10 PM (t1NLo)

222 A massive tax increase is going to destroy whatever fragile "recovery" that's going on right now, and the revenue raised still has the US running in steep deficits.

I really don't think 9% plus unemployment and every American paying higher taxes is going to help Obama and the Democrats.

Looks like we're going to find out one way or another.

Posted by: McAdams at December 03, 2012 06:11 PM (0onAv)

223 Regarding the media. What really needs to be dne is to make all of the reporters and anchors pariahs. This would take an underground resistance group who could bribe small businesses and infiltrate others, in order to do the following:

1. Lose their dry-cleaning order, every single time.
2. Seat them at the worst tables, or mysteriously lose thier reservations.
3. Disappear their invitations to White House events.
4. Hotel reservations gone, an only the room by the laundry available. With faulty air-conditioning.
5. Harass them when they are seen in public. Boo them at airports. Mock them at the theater or sports events.

A good organization would have these losers holed up in their residences afraid to come out. Even picket their homes.

I am disgusted with them. I have tried and tried on Twitter to make them understand. They refuse and act like I am a nut case.

So, declare war on them.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 03, 2012 06:12 PM (GoIUi)

224 A deal will get cut. Taxes will only go up on the 2%, and on only a fraction of THEIR incomes.

There's not going to be a massive tax increase. You guys are listening to charlatans and liars. If you haven't figured that out after a few tuesdays ago, I guess there's no hope for you.

Posted by: Olaf at December 03, 2012 06:13 PM (t1NLo)

225 Hey, Olaf!

I work in my church's food pantry every Friday. I am seeing a lot of people who were working until Obama killed job growth. I am seeing guys who were carpet layers, drywall installers, and mechanics. Women with children who are grateful for a jar of peanut butter and some soup.

I went out this week and bought $75.00 worth of dish liquid, toothpaste, and shampoo because these people were asking if we had the stuff because they don't have enough money to wash their dishes or their hair!!

You assholes have caused this, from Barney Frank refusing to cut back on Fannie Mae to the ridiculous stimulus which did nothing to create jobs and depleted the Treasury. Obamacare is going to cause more layoffs and business closings.

I hope when the crash comes you are one of the first to be eating out of a trash can.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 03, 2012 06:19 PM (GoIUi)

226 I have said this since posting years ago at LGF. Our primary problem in this country is spiritual/moral, not political, or culture. It is a spiritual rot that allows the culture to rule, and a degraded culture that elects a degraded political class.

I remember some arguing that if we just addressed the problem of Islam militarily then we could win that battle. Stupid one-dimensional thinking. There is a spirit dimension/universe, it is a real place, populated by real beings, both demonic and angelic.

Think of this; the two most hated countries (by far) in the world are Israel and the U.S. Why? Because they are the holders of the Judeo/Christian worldview, eliminate them and you can do whatever you want to the earth, nothing will restrain evil.

The Left will align with Jihadists before it aligns with Jews or Christians. Why? When neither Zionism or Christianity is an existential threat to the Left.

Because this is a drive from a realm/universe of spirit. It is high order non-human intelligence that drives the destruction of Israel and America, until we address this dimension, it is all spinning our wheels in the muck at the side of the road. We will just dig in deeper and not understand why.

The only weapons given to fight in the spirit are from the Holy Spirit, bullets and bluster do nothing. Spirits only respond to spirits that know and see them and that are in concert with Christ as the conquering king, not the suffering savior, that part is done, time to buy a sword and sell it not.

Or the great isms in the earth will continue to devour nation after nation and people after people. America hae some protection for a while, but America also had a few men and women of God, not too many now.

And think that just 8 years after Islamic scum attacked and murdered thousand of Americans we have now twice elected a virtual Muslim and overt Leftist...America as we know it is over, we already surrendered at the political level.

Hopefully we will not surrender our spirits. Already in the Middle East and North Africa, Christians, not to mention Jews, are hunted and killed, and this turned lose by American policy under both Bush and Obama. Not to mention Clinton siding with Muslims in Bosnia. The Arab Spring = The persecution and death of Christians and Jews.

Posted by: Jehu at December 03, 2012 06:22 PM (cSD32)

227 The Bush tax cuts were peanuts to the little guy anyway. Let them all expire and stay expired. Then the GOP can tell the country they gave Obama more than he asked for.

Or go ThomasD one better. Send Obama one bill making the Bush Era tax cuts permanent, ending the deductability of mortgage interest and state and local taxes, and the Hollywood tax credits with copyright rolled back to 14 years plus 14 upon renewal.

Posted by: MarkD at December 03, 2012 06:22 PM (iYBP2)

228 You know, I'm starting to think we should just give Obama what he wants.

I mean, what he's selling is this: the economy will rebound and the deficit will be paid off if we... take the top two tax brackets from 36% to 39.6%???? Really????

Hell, just let him do it. Vote present en masse on the tax-hike deal; then, when the economy continues to suck (as we all know it will), remind him and all the other drones relentlessly that he got his damned tax hikes, so everything should be hunky dory.


Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 03, 2012 06:26 PM (4BHuc)

229 Roosevelt was elected four friggin' times during the worst economy our country had ever witnessed. He runs for a third term because the people love him and teh free goodies.
And that is why they pasted the law that the pres. can only have two terms.

Posted by: harleycowb at December 03, 2012 06:36 PM (wSTfB)

230 Vote present! Give me everything and let the whole fucking thing burn down.

Posted by: Cashin at December 03, 2012 06:41 PM (TYEu4)

231
The House needs to pass two bills.


When congress is in session nothing is permanent...

...even the laws of physics and mathematics are subject to legislative whim.

If the govt needs 2+2=5, they'll just make it so.

Posted by: Winston Smith at December 03, 2012 06:52 PM (Y/aF4)

232 I just wiped out my Roth and paid the house off. For me, it's a BFD but not that much in the scheme of things...where else could I get a rock solid no taxreturn of 5.95%? There wasn't enough interest left to write off. I have Zero confidence in the Kenyan to even keep rolling over the debt...soon, cash will be King again. I won't have much but I'll have some and no monthy nut to make like everybody else. I want to quit my job too. Why make money for the gubberment to grab? I can get close to the ground and watch the eviseration happening on TeeVee like I watched the Soviet Union collapse. Tanks firing on the White House? People pushing over the Statue of Liberty?Unwashed hordes of Mexicans streaming across the border? Canadians walling off their border? Arab terrorists flying into the World Trade Center? Can't happen here? Well there's commies in the White House and who woulda thunk that besides Joe McCarthy?

Posted by: torabora at December 03, 2012 07:01 PM (mtvng)

233 Deja Vu?

This sounds exactly like the lead up to the passing of obamacare, excatly like it. Then the dems passed it without any republican involvement and not a single republican vote.

And they suffered no repercussions for it in the elections. Oh a "minor bump in the road" in the midterms but according to most dems "a mandate of epic proportions" for them in the presidential.

Posted by: Caustic at December 03, 2012 07:03 PM (/b8+5)

234 BTW, California is a low property tax state (1%) in a high property price state. So if you get in cheap you can pay $100/mo. There are places like Arkansas where there are places (Warren) with no property tax but there's bugs. Lots of bugs. No trout. No public land to hunt on either. It's all private hunting land with deer stands.Torrential rain..Humidit 99%. Tornados...I get to live on the back side of the Sierras , it's cold. No earthquakes either. So maybe I can ride off that cliff...

Posted by: torabora at December 03, 2012 07:08 PM (mtvng)

235 The Free Shit People don't know that they're taxes are going to go up a bit from nothing to something!

Posted by: CarolT at December 03, 2012 07:27 PM (z4WKX)

236
What say, we go over the cliff. Then, if things get really, really bad, like if foodstamps, welfare and even social security go away... Government employee unions go on strike and their 'brothers' in other unions around the nation join them in a 'show of solidarity.' Ports, railroads, trucking, shipping, (power stations?), grocery stores, warehouses...
Spreading social unrest, rioting and other societal dysfunctions will probably result...and say that it all gets really, really bad...
Martial law? Suspend The Constitution? President assumes 'emergency powers'?
Just as a possible worst case scenario...
The 'fiscal cliff' mayhave a muchworse outcome than some might think...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 03, 2012 07:32 PM (WwR1j)

237 Cloward/Piven 2016!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 03, 2012 07:34 PM (4u2LN)

238 >>42 "I think 80 percent of Obama is Valerie Jarret, Axelrod and the rest of the Chicago Power Rangers.



The other 20 percent is poetry about himself and choom residue."

I agree. valerie is evil incarnate, imo. I'd love to see her burn. (along with the rest of them) If they 'win' this battle, they will be sorry. Unfortunately a lot of innocent people will also be sorry. If only their bad decisions just harmed the stupid dem voters.

Posted by: carolina at December 03, 2012 07:34 PM (EFeV9)

239 This is one of those "don't call my bluff" gaffes. Obama is signalling that all of this is sham, rigged up to make Republicans look like villains to the River Of Meat.

Posted by: Boulder Hobo at December 03, 2012 08:12 PM (QTHTd)

240 Simple: In January only agree to middle class tax cuts if we get some addtional revenue enhancers on Democrats, i.e. trial lawyer tax, hollywood taxes, no tax free muni bonds, etc.

Then how will Obama look sayiong "no, we can't tax super wealthy trial lawyers!'

But the GOP has no balls.

Posted by: Sexypig at December 04, 2012 12:21 AM (j5gFn)

241 Those evil kapitalist pig republicans better agree to the lightworker's demands he has some choom waiting in Hawaii and some golfing to tend to.

Posted by: Rabo Karabekian at December 04, 2012 07:54 AM (Kflw4)

242 Feel the burn..noone in power cares enough to stop it. Obamas priority is ending bush taxcuts.

he would like to raise middle class taxes and the cliff lets him do it and be able to blame gop intransigence

. It's like dems think consumer confidence won't be hurt when we go off cliff

Gold under 1700 today
Gone clowardgaltpiven

Posted by: ginaswo at December 04, 2012 04:06 PM (7xupy)

243 232 I salute you. I wiped my iras surviving since 07 crash but that is same decisions would make. Zirp forever. Why wait to be taxed.
Buy precious metals pay off liens

Posted by: ginaswo at December 04, 2012 04:15 PM (7xupy)






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