Krauthammer On The GOP's Mad Negotiating Skillz

The main reason we appear to be in a weak negotiating position on the so-called "fiscal cliff" is that we have weak negotiators.

Why are Republicans playing the Democrats’ game that the “fiscal cliff” is all about taxation?

House Speaker John Boehner already made the preemptive concession of agreeing to raise revenue. But the insistence on doing so by eliminating deductions without raising marginal rates is now the subject of fierce Republican infighting.

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Obama is claiming an electoral mandate to raise taxes on the top 2 percent. Perhaps, but remember those incessant campaign ads promising a return to the economic nirvana of the Clinton years? Well, George W. Bush cut rates across the board, not just for the top 2 percent. Going back to the Clinton rates means middle-class tax hikes that yield four times the revenue that you get from just the rich.

So give Obama the full Clinton. Let him live with that. And with what also lies on the other side of the cliff: 28 million Americans newly subject to the ruinous alternative minimum tax.

This is the reason Obama and TurboTax Timmy made that ballsy proposal yesterday. They fully expect Boehner and McConnell to cave, and why wouldn't they?

This should be Team GOP's counter-offer to that steaming pile:


  • Current tax rates become permanent

  • AMT repealed

  • Spending permanently capped at 2007 levels plus inflation and population growth, with cuts to get down to the cap applied across the board (good for about $600 billion in deficit reduction by my quick math)

  • Obamacare delayed until the debt to GDP ratio is below 80% and U-6 unemployment is below 10%

And if not ...

Posted by: Andy at 11:04 AM



Comments

1

..... ashes ashes we all fall down.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 30, 2012 11:04 AM (nELVU)

2 Seeing that the Kraut was all in for a fuel tax, I'm not trusting his negotiating skills that much either.

Posted by: polynikes at November 30, 2012 11:05 AM (m2CN7)

3 Did I fucking read right that the number of Obama voters in the final count is 65 million?

Country's finished, folks. The sooner it collapses the sooner we can form a new union of red-only states.

LET IT FUCKING BURN.

Posted by: Christina Hendrick's Mighty Jugs are Really SMOD in Disguise at November 30, 2012 11:08 AM (+AV7H)

4 McConnell seems to be on the right track, and so does Boehner, from his latest remarks. But FFS does he have to sound like a medigon Dean Martin when he's public speaking? I hear him on the radio and picture him in a seventies-style tux, holding a highball in one hand andKOOL filter kingin the other.

We need a better front man.

Posted by: kallisto at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (jm/9g)

5 repost, as I missed the new thread:

If you want your blood to boil further, read this piece in the WSJ oped section, today:

http://tinyurl.com/d9wbjho

Costco's Dividend Tax Epiphany

Obama's fans in the 1% vote to beat Obama's tax increase.

excerpts:

Specifically, the giant retailer announced Wednesday that the company will pay a special dividend of $7 a share this month. That's a $3 billion Christmas gift for shareholders that will let them be taxed at the current dividend rate of 15%, rather than next year's rate of up to 43.4%—an increase to 39.6% as the Bush-era rates expire plus another 3.8% from the new ObamaCare surcharge.

More striking is that Costco also announced that it will borrow $3.5 billion to finance the special payout. Dividends are typically paid out of earnings, either current or accumulated. But so eager are the Costco executives to get out ahead of the tax man that they're taking on debt to do so.


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One of the biggest dividend winners will be none other than Mr. Sinegal, who owns about two million shares, while his wife owns another 84,669. At $7 a share, the former CEO will take home roughly $14 million. At a 15% tax rate he'll get to keep nearly $12 million of that windfall, while at next year's rate of 43.4% he'd take home only about $8 million.

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To sum up: Here we have people at the very top of the top 1% who preach about tax fairness voting to write themselves a huge dividend check to avoid the Obama tax increase they claim it is a public service to impose on middle-class Americans who work for 30 years and finally make $250,000 for a brief window in time.

If they had any shame, they'd send their entire windfall to the Treasury.




SICK

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

6 The federal gasoline tax should be increased from 18.4 cents/gallon to 36 cents/gallon.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (eEfYn)

7 Relax.

We got this.

Posted by: GOP Leaders at November 30, 2012 11:11 AM (57VGh)

8

BTW, yesterdays Mark Levin warns of the government going after your 401K's, etc.

No kidding.

Rome.

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:11 AM (LpQbZ)

9

We're just spinning our wheels, here. The House will do what the House will do. And it will probably be something awful.

The worst part is how Boehner and McConnell keep dragging these games out. End it, already.


Time is not our friend. The more time that passes by the more brainwashing the Democrats and media can do.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:11 AM (LhO8w)

10 The Democrat's opening negotiating bid was You give me everything I want, and you'll get nothing.

Meanwhile, Boehner negotiates with McConnell.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:11 AM (QupBk)

11 You're welcome everyone. Always glad to help out.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 30, 2012 11:12 AM (jTKU5)

12 Let it burn. These guys are not ballsy enough to propose anything like this. And the country sees no reason to do 2007 spending levels there was not enough free shit then.

stop pretending the cliff is a cliff, it is a spending deal the CCongress planned and signed onto, along with the PPresident. And its where we are going, so dont make it sound like the end of the world. It isnt.

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2012 11:12 AM (GqeTf)

13 LIB, bitches.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 11:12 AM (57VGh)

14 This should be Team GOP's counter-offer to that steaming pile:


Current tax rates become permanent
AMT repealed
Spending permanently capped at 2007 levels plus inflation and population growth, with cuts to get down to the cap applied across the board (good for about $600 billion in deficit reduction by my quick math)
Obamacare delayed until the debt to GDP ratio is below 80% and U-6 unemployment is below 10%

This is actually not a bad proposal. Not bad at all. I still think passing Bowles-Simpson (warts all) is another solid strategy.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 30, 2012 11:12 AM (rFiOs)

15 The martial metaphors don't work here. We can 'fight' them by obstructing, and we can shut them down. BUT WE DON'T WIN WITH THE JUDGES. The electorate determines the winner, and crushing your enemy on the legislative field does nothing when the judges don't understand or appreciate your deftness. We shut them down, we 'win', but when the economy continues to stagnate the judges look at that as OUR FAULT for fighting. LIB is jujitsu aimed at the judges. We stand down and let the asshats take us in the ditch. Then let the driver explain that to the judges when it is obvious to even the Honey Boo Boo types that we have nothing to do with it. I don't see any other way out.

Victory is determined by the brain dead, and as sad as that is, we need to recognize this.

Posted by: Todd Wiley at November 30, 2012 11:13 AM (wS2b4)

16 fits perfectly.

http://imaksim.com/wp-content/gallery/2012-agitprop/obama_budget_maksim.jpg

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2012 11:13 AM (hX8cq)

17 Every time one of the Dems talks about "revenue" our side should shout back:

"REVENUE IS NEWSPEAK FOR TAX!"

We should flatly refuse to talk about "revenue" and insist that we call that thing that which it is- TAXATION.

Government does not make money, government TAKES money. Government does not have "revenue" government levies TAXES.

Do not allow the other side to control the vocabulary!

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 30, 2012 11:13 AM (RSqz2)

18 The GOP -- Grand Old Prattletwats. Krauthammer!

Posted by: SFGoth at November 30, 2012 11:13 AM (dZ756)

19 This is actually not a bad proposal. Not bad at all.
I still think passing Bowles-Simpson (warts all) is another solid
strategy.

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 30, 2012 11:12 AM (rFiOs)

Makes sense == never in a million years.
I'm not on the Let It Burn train, but the It's Going To Burn and I'm Horrified train. IGTBIH?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 30, 2012 11:14 AM (xAtAj)

20 I'm back after a hiatus, I've calmed down a bit.

Nice to see Let. It. Burn. is still alive. I'm more of a "let it go wherever" type of guy now though. Going back to the Clinton tax rates might be nice, it'll either prove higher rates don't bring in enough revenue (and maybe even less revenue), or it could end up surprising us all and working. Either way is some sort of progress.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 30, 2012 11:14 AM (a0nis)

21 So, Chuck K is on Team LIB?

I would add something else to your caveats, Andy. Those who don't pay taxes but are still receiving benefits should have to make sacrifices too! Food stamps budget, slashed in half.

6 Heck no. Here in Indiana, we have a state gas tax on top of federal one. The state gas tax is already 18 cents a gallon, and they want to increase it to 49 cents a gallon. I filled up in Kentucky the other day, and saved 35 cents per gallon. Pathetic.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 30, 2012 11:14 AM (E1Vkf)

22

We need a real Speaker.

Someone who Speaks.

Someone who Speaks TO the people.

Someone who Speaks FOR the people.

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:15 AM (LpQbZ)

23 1. Our negotiators are weak.

2. More importantly our negotiators don't really give a shit about us, it's more about them making the best-looking deal (which amounts to squat) while still maintaining their Washington friendships and doing the least amount of difficult work possible. They do not give a rat's ass about you and me.

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at November 30, 2012 11:15 AM (HeCg1)

24 O/T: You can watch Krauthammer and Amos Yadlin debate Fareed Zakaria and Vali Nasr ("Be it resolved the world cannot tolerate an Iran with nuclear weapons capability") if so interested.

Supposedly only available until noon though (http://munkdebates.com/livestream)

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 30, 2012 11:16 AM (BrQrN)

25 Kraut is underplaying what the GOP should be asking for given Obama's unconstitutional demands with regards to spending.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:16 AM (e0xKF)

26 The Democrat's opening negotiating bid was You give me everything I want, and you'll get nothing.

Meanwhile, Boehner negotiates with McConnell.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:11 AM (QupBk)
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They learned negotiation from Leonid Brehznev ("what's ours is ours, what's yours is negotiable"). We apparently learned it from Mr. Rogers.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 30, 2012 11:16 AM (RSqz2)

27 You mean our team, the Washington Generals, could lose? Never! We know Obama has a planned long vacation for the end of Dec. Do they drag things out and make him look detached, aloof, and unserious? Ha! They will cave and help him out. GOP sux folks, they do NOT represent us nor limited govt. The game is rigged.

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (Yv6gq)

28 I'm trying to laugh at the list of appropriate counteroffer measures, because if I don't laugh I'll cry.

None of that will be suggested. None of it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (4df7R)

29 23 1. Our negotiators are weak.

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Anyone else want to negotiate?

Posted by: Korben Dallas at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (e0xKF)

30
Wouldn't it just save everybody a lot of time and trouble to just go ahead and bow subservience to the great and wise Emporer for life?

Posted by: Justamom at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (Sptt8)

31

Maybe Romney planted a bug yesterday.

That would be sweet.

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (LpQbZ)

32 Everybody knows that the boat is leaking.

Everybody knows the captain lied.

Posted by: LibertarianJim channelling Leonard Cohen (team #letitburn) at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (CMbMd)

33 GOP with a strong counteroffer?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:18 AM (X/+QT)

34
Slosh some gasoline on it.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:18 AM (jTKU5)

35 @29 Korben Dallas

Kickass movie, especially considering the leftard who made it, it's too bad you don't exist in real life.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (a0nis)

36 I've learned a lot about economics by lurking around here, and updated my casserole recipes the "night of the rioting Christians," but I'm still having trouble understanding our situation. I've been waiting over a year for Greece to completely combust, and yet, like a lucky drunk, they stagger across the road, missing open potholes and on-coming vehicles. I could go with LiB, but would it? Or would we also stagger along, somehow getting a foot down in front of us instead of face-planting on the blacktop? What if we go on for decades, becoming more impotent at every turn?

Posted by: Pentangle at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (cHZcT)

37 This is the same GOP that helped to get us where we are now, HTF do you think they will somehow save the day?

Seriously.

Taxes will go up.

Spending will go up.

The economy will continue to contract.

Pain will spread and lead to chaos.

Get it over with.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (57VGh)

38

Why we suck, Part MCMXCVIII

Why haven't we made a new graph parodizing Obama's Stimulus graph?

A graph that shows what will happen if we don't go off the cliff and what will happen if we do off the cliff.

The data points can be marked with Paul Krugman happy/sad faces. And Obamapho woman happy/sad faces.

We have the technology and the internet to satirize these fools in DC at our disposal for FREE and we never take advantage.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (LhO8w)

39 Barzini will take over everything and I'll end up under him, and I hate that son of a bitch Barzini!

Posted by: Mitch Clemenza at November 30, 2012 11:20 AM (wwsoB)

40
Rearranging deck chairs, anyone?

I'm equally upset about the people being shariaed in the ME.
I feel like taking some in.

Posted by: Justamom at November 30, 2012 11:20 AM (Sptt8)

41 jimmy crack corn...and i don't care

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2012 11:20 AM (GVxQo)

42 29 Heh. Nice.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:21 AM (X/+QT)

43 39 Barzini will take over everything and I'll end up under him, and I hate that son of a bitch Barzini!

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I've set up the meeting and made all the arrangements.

Posted by: John Boehner Tessio at November 30, 2012 11:21 AM (e0xKF)

44
Hey, let's negotiate fiscal policy with a party that won't pass a budget!

What could possibly go....?

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:21 AM (jTKU5)

45 Negotiate when you can. Compromise when you have to.

Posted by: polynikes at November 30, 2012 11:21 AM (m2CN7)

46

Obama is at some stupid toy factory in PA making his case.

Boehner is at a factory in OH mak-

....oh wait, no he's not.

And this is why we lose.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:22 AM (LhO8w)

47 Sorry, I found this and I was going to put it in the news dump, but all of a sudden, were getting morning content!

Jack hole sociopath congressman decides his no tax pledge has been vacated since his district was renumbered in the 2010 census.

Link in my sig.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:22 AM (I2LwF)

48 Lurk off.

Wake me up when were just at the smolder stage.

Lurk on.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2012 11:24 AM (jvd3N)

49 Boehner's got to go. We couldn't win the civil war with McClellan. It's time to hire and fire some generals until we find our Grant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 30, 2012 11:24 AM (FkKjr)

50
Jack hole sociopath congressman decides his no tax pledge has been vacated since his district was renumbered in the 2010 census.



That does it. I'm not paying my property taxes. My zip code got changed last year so I'm off the hook.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (jTKU5)

51 Bullsh!t, and you all know it.

Let the GOP -- not a bunch of guys talking tough on blogs -- spell out exactly which entitlements they want cut. Obama has offered up what he wants, and the GOP doesn't like it.

Fine. So, GOP, daddy-party of tough guys, stand up and spell out what you want cut. It's not difficult, as many of you here do it all the time. Say what you want cut, tell the american people straight up. Then the negotiations can begin.

But it won't happen for the same reason the public rejected ryan and romney. It's unpopular, regardless of what the un-skewed polls tell you.

Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (t1NLo)

52 Yesterday I was actually considering calling up my congress critters (and B/M in particular) and asking if they'd explain to, sotto voce, why they're so spineless.

I just wanted to have a man-to-man and learn what they know that makes them so horrible once they get the DC. Is there a world-wide secret society that is controlling them, is there a network of Joooooish bankers holding their kids hostage, is Chthulu real and only placated by the spines of Republicans?

I wouldn't give away the secret of 'how the world really is, you ignorant litte voter' but, damn, I just want to know.

Take off my blindfold, Boehner! Show me the truth!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (X/+QT)

53

/enter the ball of yarn

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:26 AM (LhO8w)

54 Beach @5: good for Costco. They are being really aggressive in getting out in front of the tax nightmare coming.

I'm supposed to be mad?

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:26 AM (I2LwF)

55 We need trashcan man as Speaker of the House.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 30, 2012 11:26 AM (epxV4)

56 Or would we also stagger along, somehow getting a
foot down in front of us instead of face-planting on the blacktop? What
if we go on for decades, becoming more impotent at every turn?


Posted by: Pentangle at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (cHZcT)

It's going to be a slow, multi-decadle burn, imo.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 30, 2012 11:26 AM (xAtAj)

57 >> Boehner's got to go. We couldn't win the civil war with McClellan. It's time to hire and fire some generals until we find our Grant.

If Speaker Boehner does not want to use his House majority, I would like to borrow it for a time.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2012 11:27 AM (C/NnJ)

58 47 Sorry, I found this and I was going to put it in the news dump, but all of a sudden, were getting morning content!

Jack hole sociopath congressman decides his no tax pledge has been vacated since his district was renumbered in the 2010 census.

Link in my sig.

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If I were in charge, I'd tell him he loses all his committee seats until further notice with the unspoken message of "go back to honoring your pledge or think of a better excuse, numb nuts."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:27 AM (e0xKF)

59 Fuck the 'cliff' myth.

At this point, higher taxes on the rich are a given. If that's what Obama wants, let him strangle the economy to death for his second term.

Take the spending cuts you can get, get all those freeloaders back to caring about the deficit rather than 'free stuff', and start destroying the Gimmecrats vote buying.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 30, 2012 11:27 AM (RDP+N)

60

>>>We need trashcan man as Speaker of
the House.

Oscar?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:28 AM (LhO8w)

61 Here should be the Republican opening position. All tax rates return to Clinton era levels. All spending returns to Clinton era levels. Any new spending for anything which did not exist during the Clinton administration is zeroed out and any legislation that mandated new spending adopted after the end of Clinton's final term in office is officially and totally revoked and removed from law. Let us return to the halcyon days of the Clinton era by all means. And in all ways. Bye-bye NCLB, bye-bye TSA, bye-bye Prescription drugs, and bye-bye-bye Obamacare. Come on Republicans, go for the whole Enchilada.

Posted by: walrus at November 30, 2012 11:28 AM (1BqbG)

62 55 We need trashcan man as Speaker of the House.

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Trash would be better than Boehner. At least he's willing to bring a nuclear option to the table.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:28 AM (e0xKF)

63 >> Say what you want cut, tell the american people straight up.

Everything. Across the board.

Next question.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2012 11:28 AM (C/NnJ)

64 Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (t1NLo)

Olaf, you have to be the worsttroll we've had in years.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 30, 2012 11:29 AM (FkKjr)

65
Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (t1NLo)



Oh look, Harry Reid is here.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:29 AM (jTKU5)

66 60

>>>We need trashcan man as Speaker of
the House.

Oscar?

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A semi-retarded firebug from The Stand, played by Matt "Max Headroom" Frewer in the miniseries.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:29 AM (e0xKF)

67

It'd be nice if we brought up Big Bird again.

As in: Your taxes are going up because the Democrats want to save Big Bird.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:29 AM (LhO8w)

68 @51 Olaf

It'll be even more unpopular when people find out entitlements can't be financed without tax hikes on the middle class.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 30, 2012 11:29 AM (a0nis)

69 Trashcan Man:

http://tinyurl.com/cgd5et4

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 30, 2012 11:30 AM (epxV4)

70 Politics isa strip of humantrappingfly paper. Baited with the disillusionment that your votes REALLY DO MATTER. The game is rigged. You cannot win by playing the game. Crash is inevitable. Crash is the way out people. Don't fear the pain, it is but fleeting compared to the slow rot of Social Progressivism. Walk into the light, Carol Ann. The light of the Fire as we let it burn! LET IT BURN. SALT THE LEECHES.

Posted by: Todd Bridges, first to go bad, last to go down at November 30, 2012 11:30 AM (qL20/)

71 Our troll quality has been going down. Olaf is just not up to it. Bring back some good ones.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:30 AM (X/+QT)

72 71 Our troll quality has been going down. Olaf is just not up to it. Bring back some good ones.

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Axelfucker laid off the previous crew after the election.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (e0xKF)

73 How is this trolling? Just because I don't agree with the groupthink here?

The daddy-party needs to man up and spell out what they want cut. But they don't want to do it because they're scared.

Easy for you guys to scream and rant about cuts and burning. Not going to happen from the folks you elected.

Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (t1NLo)

74 Wait. We have negotiators? When did that happen?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (VtjlW)

75 2007 isn't ambitious enough. Take it back to 2002. Bush added way too much spending to the federal government.

Say we agree Bush screwed up, lets index to real spending per capita at the level that Clinton had in his last year. And for that we'll give you the Clinton tax rates as well, which is a tax increase on everyone.

Make them argue against themselves. They have been playing the Bush screwed everything up that Clinton had going. Offer to roll that back for them. Make them argue that the tax rates that Clinton had were too onerous. Make them argue that the spending that Clinton had was too little.

I realize that the tax hikes would be disastrous to the economy, but we must get the deficit under control. Also we have to shake the perception that Republicans only care about the wealthy and will do anything to protect them.

Posted by: epv at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (7n5AK)

76 I'm surprised everyone jumped on Olaf.

Do not feed it and it will go away.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (I2LwF)

77 Axelfucker laid off the previous crew after the election.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (e0xKF)


Well, then, please raise my taxes and hire some more.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (X/+QT)

78 costco is so out in front that the ceo campaigned for the scoamf....screw him.....i hope he loses everything

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (GVxQo)

79 So ever since 11/6 SoCons get told to surrender on absolutely everything and get with the program, why is anyone surprised that FisCons are subject to the same treatment?
It's Winston Churchill's b-day and we need his degree of compromise in dealing with today's fascists whether it be on socialist spending projects or on the left's efforts to make everyone into a syphillitc coward fully dependent on Uncle Sugar.

Posted by: DenverGregg at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (5tPx9)

80
There is NO "negotiation" currently taking place. I recognize that itis fun to think that both sides are really locked into this heated and grand bargaining. They aren't. It doesn't matter what they say publicly or what is "leaked". It's just for show. They have to raise the debt and print the money at this point. They HAVE TO. The Ponzi Scheme demands it. We have been sliding down the slope for quite sometime now. It will start to pick up steam now. That is just the way it is.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (wmR6i)

81 I'm not on the Let It Burn train, but the It's Going To Burn and I'm Horrified train. IGTBIH?


Something like that.


Gets even more complicated when you tack on an extra acronym about having a fire axe and sand bucket handy when things get hot in your AO.


Metaphorically speaking.

Posted by: fluffy at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (z9HTb)

82 http://tinyurl.com/bu7xujs

link to wsj article on the costco fool

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (GVxQo)

83 we might as well dissolve congress. they aren't needed according to Obama and the political Left, and cust can start there!
no limits need on Obama cash, nor d we need any ole stupid congress for permission to go to war.

Posted by: willow at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (hX8cq)

84 74
Wait. We have negotiators? When did that happen?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (VtjlW)


Shhhhhh! Don't ruin the mood. :-P

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:32 AM (X/+QT)

85 74 Wait. We have negotiators? When did that happen?

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We've got "negotiators" in the sense of the Bocchichico clan from The Godfather series.

As in "A bunch of morons whose only purpose is to be shot in the head if the side who hired them renegs."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:33 AM (e0xKF)

86 Who says Americans can't do the math. Those NY fast food workers have calculated that they can win-win at $15 an hour. If they get fired, NY's welfare benefits are worth that much anyway.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:33 AM (jTKU5)

87 You tea baggers make me laugh! Do you know who I am? I'm Moe Chambliss! I was making my bones when you were still on town councils! No, you don't buy me out, I buy you out!

Posted by: Moe Chambliss at November 30, 2012 11:33 AM (wwsoB)

88 I'm saddened to find that Gabe Malor is the only realistic cob logger at AoS. You other fucks are delusional. Republicans are delusional. How can anyone consider themselves a Republican? The only people left in the GOP are the socons and their puppet masters. The compassionate conservatives. Hahahahahaha.
It is over. Let it burn.

Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hound at November 30, 2012 11:34 AM (ufLRj)

89 >> Say we agree Bush screwed up, lets index to real spending per capita at the level that Clinton had in his last year. And for that we'll give you the Clinton tax rates as well, which is a tax increase on everyone.

That works too.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2012 11:34 AM (C/NnJ)

90 86 Who says Americans can't do the math. Those NY fast food workers have calculated that they can win-win at $15 an hour. If they get fired, NY's welfare benefits are worth that much anyway.

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States really need to start re-writing laws so that people either temporarily unemployed or laid off completely due to striking do NOT qualify for benefits.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:34 AM (e0xKF)

91 Easy for you guys to scream and rant about cuts and burning. Not going to happen from the folks you elected.Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (t1NLo)
Uhh, that's our point. Shaddup. I haven't been a Republican for years.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 11:35 AM (jTKU5)

92

If you buy me a hamburger today, I will gladly pay you back Tuesday.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:35 AM (LhO8w)

93 86

the people of PA are way better at math than the ny'ers....they figured out they can get way more in assistance than $15 an hour......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 30, 2012 11:35 AM (GVxQo)

94 Palm Beach Pooter Hound: Fuck you and go away.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:35 AM (4df7R)

95 Puppet Masters?!

Posted by: Elmo is innocent at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (mjR67)

96 88 How can anyone consider themselves a Republican?

Modern American Masochism...alive and well.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (hNXHo)

97 To sum up: Here we have people at the very top of
the top 1% who preach about tax fairness voting to write themselves a
huge dividend check to avoid the Obama tax increase they claim it is a
public service to impose on middle-class Americans who work for 30 years
and finally make $250,000 for a brief window in time.



If they had any shame, they'd send their entire windfall to the Treasury.







SICK

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)


It's these bastards that I'd like to see pay through the teeth but I'm sure the "fair" tax crowd have every angle played to avoid paying their "fair share"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (1Jaio)

98

/enter Dildo #3

Posted by: soothsayer at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (LhO8w)

99


Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hound at November 30, 2012 11:34 AM (ufLRj)



Did a fine job of contradicting yourself in one paragraph, sparky. Might wanna review your thoughts before applying 'em to a comment.


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (skQhe)

100 49
Boehner's got to go. We couldn't win the civil war with McClellan. It's
time to hire and fire some generals until we find our Grant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 30, 2012 11:24 AM

I took Fredo in when he was having troubles, and now you want to force ME out?

I talked to Obama, I can get the same deal and STILL keep my Speaker of the House job!

Posted by: Moe Boehner at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (wwsoB)

101 Since we all know that Boner and Bitch McConnell will cave to TFG and his plans to destroy us and capitalism, why not go all out and propose something that will actually work to revive the economy?

Like an across the board 20% reduction in Federal salaries, coupled with the abolition of a few federal departments such as Homeland Security, the EPA, Depts of Energy and Education. Massive tax cuts, hell, even a flat tax of 10%.Get real radical on their asses, since that's what They Do to us.

Even better, B and M could go back to a year when we had the greatest economic growth, and propose reductions back to what was in effect at that time. IIRC, it would've been when the Dims had their lock on Congress.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 30, 2012 11:37 AM (lOmbq)

102 100 49
Boehner's got to go. We couldn't win the civil war with McClellan. It's
time to hire and fire some generals until we find our Grant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 30, 2012 11:24 AM

I took Fredo in when he was having troubles, and now you want to force ME out?

I talked to Obama, I can get the same deal and STILL keep my Speaker of the House job!

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Looks like we've got a Moe Boehner Special coming right up.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:37 AM (e0xKF)

103 49 Boehner's got to go. We couldn't win the civil war with McClellan. It's time to hire and fire some generals until we find our Grant.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 30, 2012 11:24 AM (FkKjr)

find out what Grant drank and give it to the House leadership.

Posted by: Avi at November 30, 2012 11:37 AM (40anC)

104 I'm still not going to get worked up over what Costco did for all it's shareholders. But I see your point about the shitbags at the top.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:38 AM (I2LwF)

105 The only people left in the GOP are the socons and their puppet masters. The compassionate conservatives. Hahahahahaha.
It is over. Let it burn.


Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hound at November 30, 2012 11:34 AM

Still cleaning those toilets at the Kennedy winter compound? Hope the wall are thick enough to keep everybody from waking up when Cousin Willie brings a "date" home

Posted by: Moe Boehner at November 30, 2012 11:39 AM (wwsoB)

106 find out what Grant drank and give it to the House leadership.

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The next best thing would be to give them that S'mores-flavored schnapps from the South Park episode about Civil War re-enactments.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:39 AM (e0xKF)

107 Ernest P. Worrell would be a better choice than Boner.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 30, 2012 11:39 AM (RDP+N)

108 Looks like we've got a Moe Boehner Special coming right up.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_t01_6a2kQ

Posted by: Moe Boehner at November 30, 2012 11:40 AM (wwsoB)

109 I'm trying to laugh at the list of appropriate counteroffer measures, because if I don't laugh I'll cry.

None of that will be suggested. None of it.



I really think part of the LIB thing, at least for me, is the liberation of it. Fuck it, I'm done with giving a shit and taking this crap seriously. Let's enjoy the glow of the fire as we all fall down. I mean, we're going to fall down no matter what, so wheeeeee enjoy the ride.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 11:40 AM (VtjlW)

110 >>>They do not give a rat's ass about you and me.

Why should they? 28% of the Senate is over 70 years old. They're more concerned about getting theirs before the onset of rigor mortis.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2012 11:40 AM (/ZZCn)

111 Whatever dear leader wants to do is just peachy with me! Boo GOP,, BOO!!!

Posted by: women and minorities at November 30, 2012 11:41 AM (GQ72I)

112 73 How is this trolling? Just because I don't agree with the groupthink here?

The daddy-party needs to man up and spell out what they want cut. But they don't want to do it because they're scared.

Easy for you guys to scream and rant about cuts and burning. Not going to happen from the folks you elected.
Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:31 AM (t1NLo)

I'll start with ending all the commercials encouraging food stamps. Parasitism shouldnt be encouraged, and if they eat off the skin off my back, let them dig holes one day and fill it the next.

Posted by: Avi at November 30, 2012 11:41 AM (40anC)

113 Why don't we give them the high-income tax hike? And when it doesn't come close to covering the spending, we'll be on solid ground. I'm through opposing a tax hike for people who probably voted for Obama. Through.

We let the Democrats - a party financed by the super rich and dedicated to serving the lazy - become the party of the middle class. WTF'ing F? Give the people what they want: the high-income tax hike. It will cathartic for them, and it allow the Right to put that stupid ass issue behind us and get down to the real work.

Posted by: CJ at November 30, 2012 11:41 AM (9KqcB)

114 It's all a side show. If Obama doesn't get what he wants, he'll just let the spending go forward unbudgeted as in the last 4 years. Lock in a high level of spending and let it coast.

Debt ceiling you say? Illegal to go beyond that? n00b.

When the fuck has Obama cared about the law? Who is going to stop the Treasury from offering debt above the ceiling?

No one.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 11:41 AM (X/+QT)

115 find out what Grant drank and give it to the House leadership.

If I remember my history, Grant drank... well, pretty much everything.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:41 AM (4df7R)

116 Did a fine job of contradicting yourself in one paragraph, sparky. Might wanna review your thoughts before applying 'em to a comment.


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 11:36 AM (skQhe)



What the hell, we have to actually be consistent and think through what we post? This is not the Horde I know and don't utterly loathe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 11:42 AM (VtjlW)

117 Everybody knows that the boat is leaking.


Everybody knows the captain lied.


Posted by: LibertarianJim channelling Leonard Cohen (team #letitburn) at November 30, 2012 11:17 AM (CMbMd)

Oh God. Did we just have a mind meld? I always thought if the Romney campaign could've gotten the rights to the Concrete Blonde version of that song, all they'd have to do is play it with flashes of events and statistics in the background. Hell... "everybody's got this broken feeling/like their momma or their dog just died." ... Cue quote from Obama autobiography about eating dog... It could have been perfect.
On second thought, I might have to take that back. In retrospect, I don't know how much of the electorate would have been capable of reading the slides in the background as the song played.

Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at November 30, 2012 11:43 AM (ThM2Q)

118 Just remember, my priority as a small l libertarian is the legalization of marijuana. Yeah, that's it, legal dope. That's what's on my mind this morning.

No matter how you jump and dance
the last drop ends up in your pants

Posted by: Palm Beach Pooter Hound at November 30, 2012 11:43 AM (ufLRj)

119
I'll start with ending all the commercials encouraging food stamps.

This is a fine example that the bureaucracy has become sentient like Skynet and is more concerned with self-perpetuation.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 30, 2012 11:43 AM (RDP+N)

120 BTW, can I mention how I find it hilarious that Idiot Troll #1 calls the REPUBLICANS the "Daddy Party?" I mean, that's so fucking backwards and upside down that I bet tINlo could be his own human centipede.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:44 AM (4df7R)

121
@29 Korben Dallas



Kickass movie, especially considering the leftard who made it, it's too bad you don't exist in real life.

Posted by: JDTAY at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (a0nis)







I'm sure that Luc Besson is a typical frog leftist, but he's also the only person in the film industry worldwide who's willing to make his movie villains Islamists and Arabs, not to mention he was pretty vehemently against that petition supporting that rapist cocksucker Roman Polanski.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2012 11:44 AM (TIIx5)

122 I hate to be like this, but I'm in the let it burn crowd. Not the LET IT BURN AARRRGGH crowd, but the let it burn (sniff) crowd.

The average person in this country has absolutely no clue how our fiscal and monetary policies work. Those running the show can do whatever they please and when shit hits the fan because of their policies, they can blame whomever they choose and be credible.

I don't even see a point in trying to convince them of their errors anymore. They don't listen. Takes too much effort. It's taken for granted that civilization will just keep chugging along and that our wants and needs can just be magically granted by the government; you can show all of the facts and figures and logic against that as you like (and they are all against it), but people believe otherwise. And that's the problem: it is a matter of belief, of religion, with people nowadays.

Let he who has eyes to see and ears to hear...well, people don't have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

This country just doesn't deserve liberty and economic prosperity anymore. Some folks do, of course (the Moron horde, for example), but there aren't enough in the country to keep it going.

Ah, screw it. AARRRGGGGHH!

Posted by: Aaron at November 30, 2012 11:45 AM (Tlix5)

123 Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.

LiB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:45 AM (QupBk)

124 so to speak.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:46 AM (QupBk)

125 107 Ernest P. Worrell would be a better choice than Boner.


I'd settle for Ernest T. Bass at this point.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at November 30, 2012 11:47 AM (GFM2b)

126 BTW, the IU@AoSHQ is shielding me from the dunce's retard rays, as long as you guys aren't quoting him.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:47 AM (QupBk)

127 107 Ernest P. Worrell would be a better choice than Boner.
I'd settle for Ernest T. Bass at this point.


Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at November 30, 2012 11:47 AM (GFM2b)



I'd settle for Big Mouth Billy Bass at this point.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:47 AM (4df7R)

128 Obama has offered up what he wants

And he got laughed at. By squishes.

That's how fundamentally unserious your dickhole Messiah is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2012 11:48 AM (QGyiB)

129 Beach @5: good for Costco. They are being really aggressive in getting out in front of the tax nightmare coming.

I'm supposed to be mad?
Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:26 AM (I2LwF)


Nah, it's cool.

Sinegal hosted, supported and voted for Obama...

It's all good.

Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:48 AM (LpQbZ)

130 That's how fundamentally unserious your dickhole Messiah is.
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 30, 2012 11:48 AM (QGyiB)


"Dickhole Messiah."

I feel another art storm brain wave coming on...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:49 AM (4df7R)

131 Oh God. Did we just have a mind meld? I always thought if the Romney campaign could've gotten the rights to the Concrete Blonde version of that song, all they'd have to do is play it with flashes of events and statistics in the background. Hell... "everybody's got this broken feeling/like their momma or their dog just died." ... Cue quote from Obama autobiography about eating dog... It could have been perfect.
On second thought, I might have to take that back. In retrospect, I don't know how much of the electorate would have been capable of reading the slides in the background as the song played.

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Everybody wants a box of chocolates and a long-stemmed rose.

Posted by: Forrest Gump Cohen at November 30, 2012 11:50 AM (e0xKF)

132 BTW, can I mention how I find it hilarious that Idiot Troll #1 calls the REPUBLICANS the "Daddy Party?" I mean, that's so fucking backwards and upside down that I bet tINlo could be his own human centipede.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:44 AM (4df7R)


True, but I would do it more for the opportunity to more easily eat my own shit. Yum!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Posted by: Olaf/Jon the Troll at November 30, 2012 11:51 AM (ggRof)

133 Indeed - they really need to take Denninger's approach: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214443

To Boehner and McConnell: Tell Obama To FOAD

They won't, though.

Posted by: DocJ at November 30, 2012 11:51 AM (A5uiv)

134 109 Fuck it, I'm done with giving a shit and taking this crap seriously. Let's enjoy the glow of the fire as we all fall down. I mean, we're going to fall down no matter what, so wheeeeee enjoy the ride.

I'm with *that* camp. MiB, no. LiB - no real ability to control it.

WiB, fuck yes. With a cherry on top.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 11:51 AM (hNXHo)

135 OT, but all ye gathered here, mourn with me the passing of the last of the turkey from Thanksgiving as I prepare to consume it in a nummy sandwich.

You were a good'un, Turkey. You will be missed.

Amen.

*nomnomnom*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:51 AM (4df7R)

136 You will be missed.

roll tide.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:52 AM (evdj2)

137 401-K's?

Hell, wait until they come after your regular bank accounts.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (XkWWK)

138 roll tide.

Hallelujah, brotha.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (4df7R)

139 I mean, that's so fucking backwards and upside down that I bet tINlo could be his own human centipede.

I love you, MWR.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)

140 as stupid uninformed as the average voter these days, only the most painful lesson has any chance of teaching them anything.

Let

It

Burn.

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (8MasJ)

141 It is symptomatic of the national condition of the United States that the worst humiliation ever suffered by it as a nation, and by a US president personally, passed almost without comment last week. I refer to the November 20 announcement at a summit meeting in Phnom Penh that 15 Asian nations, comprising half the world’s population, would form a Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership excluding the United States.

President Barack Obama attended the summit to sell a US-based Trans-Pacific Partnership excluding China. He didn’t. The American led-partnership became a party to which no-one came.

Instead, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, plus China, India, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, will form a club and leave out the United States.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (e8kgV)

142 Hell, wait until they come after your regular bank accounts.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (XkWWK)


Wait until they come after your mattresses, piggy banks and mason jars full of pennies.

And I bet you all think I'm kidding.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (4df7R)

143 Meh....

Obama's new theme song should be Linkin Parks "My Way".

The lyrics fit.... perfectly.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 30, 2012 11:54 AM (nELVU)

144 I love you, MWR.
Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)


Aww, shucks.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:55 AM (4df7R)

145 Posted by: Pentangle at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (cHZcT)

Greece is still there because the EU banks have been bailing them out with outside capital.

We don't have anyone except our own Fed Res Bank who can do that.... but to do that they must print money, which devalues the dollar...

Note, CHINA does NOT own most of our debt.... our own Banks and Social Security system do...

Posted by: Spartacus at November 30, 2012 11:55 AM (lZBBB)

146 Instead, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, plus China, India, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand, will form a club and leave out the United States.

they're smart. that's the club to join, honestly.

sorry. I don't intend to stick around for any burning.

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 30, 2012 11:55 AM (F+ZCA)

147 I think what most everyone has been missing, particularly the pundits, is that Obama is not negotiating. He's dictating, his preferred method of governance. Just when, exactly, has Obama ever negotiated anything? In the past he has intimidated, agitated,a and sued to get his way. He has never negotiated anything, and does not have the skills to do so even if the idea occurred to him.

Posted by: West at November 30, 2012 11:55 AM (1Rgee)

148 Boehner looks like a bleary eyed drunk. Any man who cries as much as he does and is so overly concerned about his hair doesn't get my vote of confidence-in anything.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 11:55 AM (wbmaj)

149 I think I’d be willing to trade a lot for zero-based budgeting.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 30, 2012 11:56 AM (QF8uk)

150 137 401-K's?

Hell, wait until they come after your regular bank accounts.

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This is why I quit contributing to my IRAs when shithead got elected.

As far as my regular bank account, I think that Mrs. Brandon In Baton Rouge has already confiscated those.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:56 AM (e0xKF)

151 142 mason jars full of pennies.

Oh, you have to know an "Omnibus Copper Sequestration and Remediation Act of 201x" of something like that is coming. I mean, shit...we're all going to be so much easier to control once they get rid of that pesky 'cash' concept to begin with.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 11:56 AM (hNXHo)

152 143 Meh....

Obama's new theme song should be Linkin Parks "My Way".

The lyrics fit.... perfectly.

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Obama = Sid Vicious with less talent and a prettier / friendlier girlfriend.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:57 AM (e0xKF)

153 Aww, shucks.

Your response was so...shall we say...vivid? The imagery of what you described, coupled with my knowledge of what that film was about, was perfect. Too perfect. If there's one thing we can describe as ass-to-mouth, it's the libtards' fascination with happily swallowing the shit from dem spokesholes.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 11:57 AM (GQ8sn)

154 Let the GOP -- not a bunch of guys talking tough on blogs -- spell out exactly which entitlements they want cut. Obama has offered up what he wants, and the GOP doesn't like it. Fine. So, GOP, daddy-party of tough guys, stand up and spell out what you want cut. It's not difficult, as many of you here do it all the time. Say what you want cut, tell the american people straight up. Then the negotiations can begin. But it won't happen for the same reason the public rejected ryan and romney. It's unpopular, regardless of what the un-skewed polls tell you.
Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 11:25 AM (t1NLo)


Oh, goody, our pig-piss troll is back. Perhaps, after you've brushed the Cheeto crumbs out of your feculent jockey shorts, you can remind us of the magical time when cuts were popular, hmm? Cuts are never popular, even when necessary, and as you prove on a daily basis, even were the GOP to 'spell out' what they want cut (as if the dog-eating Kenyan has no responsibility to produce a budget at all), honey booboos like you would still scream and shit your diapers instead of looking at the cuts suggested in a reasonable manner.

But there's hope on the horizon. Just like mommy's getting tired of you sucking at her wrinkly, busted-out tit, MATH! is going to get tired of hauling your feces-encrusted, dingleberry-displaying ass around. So keep laughing it up, funnyguy - we'll be laughing when you finally hit the rocks.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 30, 2012 11:57 AM (zF6Iw)

155
Obama = Sid Vicious with less talent and a prettier / friendlier girlfriend.

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Ugh, messed that up.

Meant to say he's like Sid Vicious with less talent and an uglier / more shrewish significant other.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:57 AM (e0xKF)

156 ...hell..... not LP..... Limp Bizkit.

WTF was I thinking.....

Posted by: fixerupper at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (nELVU)

157 please don't insult Sid Vicious guys.

he's effing Milli Vanilli

Posted by: BlackOrchid-StillMissingDagny at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (F+ZCA)

158 Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

Borrowing to pay dividends?

Heh...the Federal Government Guide to Economic Success and Spiritual Fulfillment?

W.T.F.


.

.

over.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (udKQu)

159 142 Hell, wait until they come after your regular bank accounts. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 30, 2012 11:53 AM (XkWWK)

Wait until they come after your mattresses, piggy banks and mason jars full of pennies.

And I bet you all think I'm kidding.


They won't like my horde of precious metals that are stored there. (Lead, copper, and brass) DYSWIDT?

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (GFM2b)

160 151 142 mason jars full of pennies.

Oh, you have to know an "Omnibus Copper Sequestration and Remediation Act of 201x" of something like that is coming. I mean, shit...we're all going to be so much easier to control once they get rid of that pesky 'cash' concept to begin with.

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What's that old saying? "You can be paid in gold or in lead"?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (e0xKF)

161 ...hell..... not LP..... Limp Bizkit.

Where are they now?

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 11:58 AM (GQ8sn)

162 Say what you want cut, tell the american people straight up.

How many House bills languish in the Senate?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 11:59 AM (evdj2)

163 feculent jockey shorts

I love this place.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:59 AM (4df7R)

164
Rush is on in 5 minutes in which he will repeat everything I wrote this morning.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 11:59 AM (LhO8w)

165 The dollar coin is the new penny!

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 11:59 AM (I2LwF)

166 OT, but all ye gathered here, mourn with me the passing of the last of the turkey from Thanksgiving as I prepare to consume it in a nummy sandwich.

After which we will all gather to observe the final day of the Great Pumpkin Pie Diet as I consume the last slice for breakfast.

With whipped cream. Lots of it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 30, 2012 12:00 PM (lOmbq)

167 If they want to bring back the dollar coin, bring back the Ike. A dollar coin should not be the size of a quarter.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 12:00 PM (evdj2)

168 They won't like my horde of precious metals that are stored there. (Lead, copper, and brass) DYSWIDT?

Yes. I picked up some "precious metals" a couple of weekends ago too. It was made in Belgium and comes in a light and heavy flavour.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:00 PM (GQ8sn)

169 @154 send all the Illegals back to their home land and take our Prison system and send all the bad guys to Haiti, they will keep our criminals for a dollar a day, then end the war by boot on neck strategy and close all those brothels of money mishap in Europe, that's a start!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at November 30, 2012 12:01 PM (Q8Pu5)

170 161 ...hell..... not LP..... Limp Bizkit.

Where are they now?

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Last time I heard about them was when they had a contest to let their fans perform on stage with them.

That became a PR nightmare because they insisted that the audition process not use any previously published work and insisted on the ownership of any work used during said audition.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 12:01 PM (e0xKF)

171 Oh God the obama deal taking peoples property

Posted by: alex of the banned IP address at November 30, 2012 12:01 PM (uFY4s)

172 Speaking of punk rock...The Exploited did an album at one point called "Fuck The System". It started with a 30 second or so scream...(not quite Tom Araya-caliber from Slayer's Angel of Death, but still not bad).

Have we engaged folks such as this yet? I'm reasonably confident those guys could come up with a pretty serious soundtrack for the whole LiB/MiB/WiB movement.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 12:01 PM (hNXHo)

173 Life's a bitch, and then you elect one. Twice!

Posted by: BHO, the Copulation-Driven Presidency at November 30, 2012 12:01 PM (rzTDZ)

174 After which we will all gather to observe the final day of the Great Pumpkin Pie Diet as I consume the last slice for breakfast.
With whipped cream. Lots of it.


*envious mourning*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (4df7R)

175 168

Belgium. Very nice.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (GFM2b)

176 you can show all of the facts and figures and logic against that as you like (and they are all against it), but people believe otherwise. And that's the problem: it is a matter of belief, of religion, with people nowadays.


Story time! At my old office, The Powers That Be wanted to do thing A. They came to me and I told them that if they did thing A, really bad things B, C and D would occur. I also told them that since they wanted conclusion 1, we could do thing 2 and while it would take longer and wouldn't be as hard nosed, thing 2 had the benefit of only a possibility of kinda bad thing E happening. They demanded we do thing A. I spent a month holding meeting, sending emails, writing cya memos and doing every possible thing I could to persuade them otherwise.


Thing A is done. Within 10 days, really bad things B, C and D occur. I am then called into a meeting with the entire firm and it is demanded that I explain why I let them do thing A. I pointed out that I strenuously objected to thing A, I told them not to do thing A, I suggested we do thing 2, I warned them about the really bad things and that I did everything I could to stop this. I then stood there for 20 minutes (yes, stood, I was not allowed to sit) and was yelled at by seven different people about how it was all my fault since I didn't stop them.


I trust you see why I am not inclined to try to stop people from setting themselves on fire. Fuck it. You want to burn, here, lemme give you some kerosene.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (VtjlW)

177 SICK
Posted by: beach at November 30, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

As soon as I saw your post I called my financial advisor. As a widow trying to live on the dividends from invested life insurance this tacx increase is going to be killer for my family.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (NYki8)

178
Posted by: Pentangle at November 30, 2012 11:19 AM (cHZcT)

Greece is still there because the EU banks have been bailing them out with outside capital.


That should read "Greek banks are still there because EU banks have been bailing them out." All the payments have gone to pay interest on failed loans to keep the Greek banks afloat. None of the payments have actually reduced any debt.The Greeks in the street aren't getting any of it. They are only getting benefit cuts and higher taxes.


Can you say temporary? I knew you could.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (jTKU5)

179 There once was a Democrat, from Illinois, a grand total of less than a
decade in elected service had he… Promise this promise that,
‘fundamentally change’ this great country was where it was at.
SO full of Hope and Change was he, he refused to get off the neck of people like me.
He seemed so perfect, so beautiful, so inclusive.
But the truth has been so elusive.
The media cooed at him from the first day on the scene
That is not their job and never has been.
Now he’s been reelected and serves for 4 more
the rest of the ride will surely be not a bore.
The fiscal cliff, including massive taxes
will make America wish for picks and axes.
Death tax, Health Care, Capital Gains increase too
We gotta get mo revenue!
One day not too far from now,
The media will hang their head in shame.
For there will be noonelese to blame.

Posted by: TA at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (zoLzQ)

180 MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 11:44 AM (4df7R)
Actually? GOP is the Daddy party.... Daddy protects the family (pro Defense)... is often the enforcer of rules (pro Law Enforcment)... is the one who will be at the door if someone scary is there (pro border control).... and is often the one who says NO when the kids want somthing (unless its a BB gun, see pro defense above... LOL).

Now.... Dems? Mommy Party... Wants to nag about everything you do... caves on rules and punishement if you're the favorite child... Calls Daddy is someone scary is at the door... tells us to eat our vegetables... is much 'nicer' than Daddy...

(now, I'm talking the Leave it Beaver way of family, which is still part of the American Myth that we believe about ourself.... not reality or any one anecdotal couple....).

Posted by: Spartacus at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (lZBBB)

181 >>>149 I think I’d be willing to trade a lot for zero-based budgeting.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 30, 2012 11:56 AM (QF8uk)

This. Make every department justify their existence every year and make congress sit in session debating each one.

Just think of all the time that would be diverted from their normal practice of legislating up new clisterfucks!

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 12:03 PM (I2LwF)

182 I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you.

I don't have to be so quiet that the bear doesn't hear me, I only have to be quiet enough that all he hears is you.

Republicans shouldn't be thinking about letting it burn, they should be thinking about hunkering down, walking softly, hibernating, rearing cubs, ignoring Washington, going back to their districts and building solidarity. Let Harry Reid with his creepy child molestor's voice and no budget to show for it make all the noise for the bear to hear. Let George Jefferson Obama do all the high profile strutting and preening.

Go over the cliff and let the bear focus on who out there has the highest profile, making the most noise.

Murmur. Whisper. Sit tight. Republicans still have the purse strings, which is all that really matters. Stall all funding. Vote things out of committee, then send them back. Ignore governing now; Republicans can't govern now anyway. Build for governing the right way in the future.

In the meantime, as winter drought falls across the land, let the starving bear focus on those critters left still gamboling merrily through the landscape, the media and the Democrats.

Posted by: Peter at November 30, 2012 12:03 PM (tcDp8)

183 Whip cweem

Posted by: alex the whip cweem king, of the banned IP address at November 30, 2012 12:03 PM (uFY4s)

184 Thing A is done. Within 10 days, really bad things B, C and D occur. I
am then called into a meeting with the entire firm and it is demanded
that I explain why I let them do thing A. I pointed out that I
strenuously objected to thing A, I told them not to do thing A, I
suggested we do thing 2, I warned them about the really bad things and
that I did everything I could to stop this. I then stood there for 20
minutes (yes, stood, I was not allowed to sit) and was yelled at by
seven different people about how it was all my fault since I didn't stop
them.


You fucked up. You trusted them.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:04 PM (GQ8sn)

185 A negotiation needs a counter offer, which the GOP has not and apparently will not make.

Cowards who won't stand behind their own policies in public.

Posted by: Olaf at November 30, 2012 12:04 PM (t1NLo)

186
Obama = Sid Vicious with less talent and a prettier / friendlier girlfriend.







Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not totally up on punk rock history), but didn't Sid come into the Pistols late, after they'd already recorded their albums and largely made their "legend"?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2012 12:04 PM (TIIx5)

187 181 >>>149 I think I�d be willing to trade a lot for zero-based budgeting.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at November 30, 2012 11:56 AM (QF8uk)

This. Make every department justify their existence every year and make congress sit in session debating each one.

Just think of all the time that would be diverted from their normal practice of legislating up new clisterfucks!

---

That would be good, but I think a new rule forcing the verbal reading of all legislation at every meeting would do just as much good.

For one thing, it would cut down on the inpenitrable legalese used to write this bullshit.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 12:04 PM (e0xKF)

188

noonelese

what language is this?

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:05 PM (LhO8w)

189 So keep laughing it up, funnyguy - we'll be laughing when you finally hit the rocks.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 30, 2012 11:57 AM (zF6Iw)


Ohhhh....they'll just be foam rocks. Kinda like foam pillars of grandiose narcissism. My TV tells me so.

Posted by: Oaflaugh - Wizard of Poles, Columns and assorted Naughty Bits at November 30, 2012 12:05 PM (udKQu)

190
I trust you see why I am not inclined to try to
stop people from setting themselves on fire. Fuck it. You want to
burn, here, lemme give you some kerosene.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (VtjlW)


I am familiar with this feeling. Certain parts of my extended family, various friends whom I have given something of a bailout, only to watch as they destroyed themselves again... yeah, that's a familiar feeling.


Besides, if we don't let it burn, how will alextopia become a reality? The old order must first burn away. o.0


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:05 PM (R8Rbc)

191 Belgium. Very nice.

I have yet to break that bitch in. PSA has some good deals. I'll be buying some soon.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:05 PM (GQ8sn)

192 The problem with the whole negotiator schtick is that we need a bad-ass one like Samuel Jackson in "The Negotiator", and instead we get the doofus William Shatner/Priceline version.

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 12:07 PM (96M6e)

193 Cowards who won't stand behind their own policies in public.

The democrats. Perfect way to describe them for the past 6 years.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:07 PM (GQ8sn)

194 Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not totally up on punk rock history), but didn't Sid come into the Pistols late, after they'd already recorded their albums and largely made their "legend"?

---

1. They only recorded one album but a lot of singles. Sid was the official bassist on that album but the actual work was done by his predecessor as a session musician.

2. He'd been with the "Bromley Contingent" hanging with the band for a long time and friends with Johnny Rotten before he was hired as bassist.

3. He was part of some of the biggest things in the band's history, such as the ill-fated tour of the US, though I don't believe he was there for the Bill Grundy interview with the multiple F-bombs.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 12:07 PM (e0xKF)

195 116 This is not the Horde I know and don't utterly loathe.

------

Have you considered a sideline doing greeting cards for Hallmark?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 30, 2012 12:07 PM (FzhYM)

196 On the other side, this is the mentality we are dealing with here:

http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/steinsvold.htm

Have the brain bleach standing by. The stupid is fucking epic with this dipshit.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at November 30, 2012 12:09 PM (eQnzo)

197 Olaf, you are correct. Many here do not understand leadership.

Posted by: nip at November 30, 2012 12:09 PM (11Tdq)

198 I trust you see why I am not inclined to try to stop people from setting themselves on fire. Fuck it. You want to burn, here, lemme give you some kerosene.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (VtjlW)


Here's some kerosene to distribute, Your Elucidated Greatness. *handing over large cans of the stuff*

Among these cans I've included two "dummy" canisters that are full of water instead of kerosene. Why? Because I think it will be hilarious to watch the idiots try tolight themselves on fire, then wonder why it's not working. I'll then be happy to sell them additional cans of genuine kerosene with a moneyback guarantee.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:09 PM (4df7R)

199 The problem with the whole negotiator schtick is that we need a bad-ass one like Samuel Jackson in "The Negotiator"

Screw him.

We need Lord Humungous, the ayatollah of rockandrolla!



"There has been too much spending and taxes! Just walk away and I'll grant you safe passage! Just walk away!"

"This Lord Humungous sounds like a reasonably fellow. I say we negotiate with him."

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:09 PM (GQ8sn)

200 Quick suggestion, then off to work...

How about we create ONE Commitee in the House, to oversea the Budet of EACH Federal Department?

Not an oversite for all.... but one group who works the budget for each single one... and has oversite on regulations and actions of THAT Department?

Its like on Fast and Furious... where we have two or threee different HOUSE groups working the problem...

Posted by: Spartacus at November 30, 2012 12:09 PM (lZBBB)

201 OK y'all. Time to consume the Pie then start doing a few things for The Infidels' Gig of Wonderfulnessism tonight.

Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 30, 2012 12:10 PM (lOmbq)

202 Besides, if we don't let it burn, how will alextopia become a reality? The old order must first burn away. o.0

LIB. Don't do it for your country...do it for Alextopia!

Is that too long for a bumpersticker?

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 12:10 PM (96M6e)

203 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2012 12:07 PM (e0xKF)









See, told you I wasn't completely fluent with punk history.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2012 12:11 PM (TIIx5)

204 191

Palmetto state armory dot com has blemished lower receivers back in stock. Was thinking about them for an inexspensive back up.

Posted by: rickb223 Let. It. Burn. at November 30, 2012 12:12 PM (GFM2b)

205 Could we quit memetizing Movie Scenes with Really Bad EndGames?

Billy Batts gets beat to death, thrown in a trunk, shot and buried.
Butch and Sundance got shot to pieces by hispanics.

Neither sounds like a good plan.

Posted by: DaveA at November 30, 2012 12:12 PM (Xefrb)

206
LIB. Don't do it for your country...do it for Alextopia!



Is that too long for a bumpersticker?

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 12:10 PM (96M6e)


Probably so. How 'bout "Alextopia - because fuck y'all."

Gotta have a white longhair cat in the background. Kinda like in that old Inspector Gadget cartoon.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:12 PM (R8Rbc)

207 >>Lord Humungous

I will pay top internet virtual dollars for a Photoshop of Boehner-as-Lord Humungous.

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (96M6e)

208
I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you.

But, who is the bear in this analogy? I like the analogy, I just don't understand it.

Posted by: sophistahick at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (UhXzR)

209 As soon as I saw your post I called my financial advisor. As a widow trying to live on the dividends from invested life insurance this tacx increase is going to be killer for my family.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 12:02 PM (NYki


It's going to kill investment all over. It's one of the big things that frEEsHitARmys' protectors don't seem to care about. Unless, of course, the endgame is going the Full Argentina.

Some troll care to explain how well that didn't work out?

Twice, so far, and counting......

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (udKQu)

210 Besides, if we don't let it burn, how will alextopia become a reality? The old order must first burn away.

How?? Because Alextopia is more than a place...it's a dream. As such, it does not conform to your mere mortal rules, but rather to the will of AtC (PBUH)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (sbV1u)

211 Boehner has his pubic hair styled. Costs slightly less than his $400 haircuts.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (wbmaj)

212 I will pay top internet virtual dollars for a Photoshop of Boehner-as-Lord Humungous.

I too would pay top internet virtual dollars for Mitch McConnell as Wez, Lord Humungous' mohawked toady.


Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (GQ8sn)

213 Gotta have a white longhair cat in the background. Kinda like in that old Inspector Gadget cartoon.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:12 PM (R8Rbc)


Have it in the foreground, staring at the person who is reading the bumper sticker and giving him or her the kind of dismissive glare of pure loathing that only a cat is able to give.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (4df7R)

214
I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you.

But, who is the bear in this analogy? I like the analogy, I just don't understand it.

Posted by: sophistahick at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (UhXzR)


The bear is either the Free Shit Army, abbreviated FSA, or the Reality of Insurmountable Debt, Bad Credit, And Rising Inflation, abbreviated DOOM.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (R8Rbc)

215 Gotta have a white longhair cat in the background. Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:12 PM (R8Rbc)

Fuck the cat, I want stompy boots and leather corsets.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (sbV1u)

216 4, Kallisto....a "medigon Dean Martin"? Now I know for sure you're from Philly, quite possibly downtown.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (YmPwQ)

217 Well DUH.......

Posted by: © Sponge at November 30, 2012 12:15 PM (UK9cE)

218 Krauthammer is dead on here.

It's clear Obama and Democrats want to go over the cliff. They knew the GOP House was willing to get hosed, but apparently that's not good enough.

Maybe they see a recession coming and just want a scapegoat?

Regardless, I think Obama and Senate Democrats are going to pay a MUCH bigger price if everyone gets a big tax increase and the economy stalls.

I've yet to hear anyone really make the argument that Republicans should take any deal offered because it's smart politics.

Posted by: McAdams at November 30, 2012 12:15 PM (0onAv)

219
How?? Because Alextopia is more than a
place...it's a dream. As such, it does not conform to your mere mortal
rules, but rather to the will of AtC (PBUH)



Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM (sbV1u)


You are right. I am ashamed to have thought of alextopia in such mundane physical terms.

I hope I can avoid a lashing for my transgression. Perhaps cheesecake will absolve me. o.0

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:16 PM (R8Rbc)

220
Billy Batts gets beat to death, thrown in a trunk, shot and buried.






Meh.

Poisoned, shot, beaten, strangled and drowned. Beat THAT, tovarisch.

Posted by: Zombie Rasputin at November 30, 2012 12:16 PM (TIIx5)

221 I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you.
But, who is the bear in this analogy? I like the analogy, I just don't understand it.

The bear is the American electorate.

Posted by: Peter at November 30, 2012 12:16 PM (tcDp8)

222 207 Photoshop of Boehner-as-Lord Humungous.

I immediately fired up CS4 and got to work.

It's hard to show the crying...you know, under the mask.

Sigh...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 12:16 PM (hNXHo)

223
Obama and the economic idiots called democrats want to plunge us into a depression.


Let them.

Posted by: Fresh at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (O7ksG)

224 Fuck the cat, I want stompy boots and leather corsets.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (sbV1u)


In certain corners of the manga market, you've just described their ideal fantasy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (4df7R)

225 OT, or at least suggested by the thread below:

If that Orwell v. Huxley theory is correct and Huxley wins, you know what hat means? Ace is the Antichrist.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (Hx5uv)

226 I too would pay top internet virtual dollars for Mitch McConnell as Wez, Lord Humungous' mohawked toady.

Yes, a thousand times yes. Quick, someone with mad d3sign skillz get on this! Chop chop!

Posted by: jakeman at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (96M6e)

227 Obama is claiming an electoral mandate to raise taxes on the top 2
percent. Perhaps, but remember those incessant campaign ads promising a
return to the economic nirvana of the Clinton years? Well, George W.
Bush cut rates across the board, not just for the top 2 percent.
Going
back to the Clinton rates means middle-class tax hikes that yield four
times the revenue that you get from just the rich.


Just the fact that the mental douchnozzles in the RNC and Romney camp didn't RUN TO THE HILLS with that information shows just how fucking stupid our side is.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (UK9cE)

228 Trololololo' lololo' lololo' lololo' lololoooooooooo,
Trololololo' lololo' lololo' lololololololooooooo!

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 12:18 PM (I2LwF)

229

Listening to Rush now. It's funny because Ace hates what he's saying about teaching abstinence instead of indulging the children.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:18 PM (LhO8w)

230
Trololololo' lololo' lololo' lololo' lololoooooooooo,

Trololololo' lololo' lololo' lololololololooooooo!


He's dead.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:18 PM (GQ8sn)

231
It's hard to show the crying...you know, under the mask.



Sigh...

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 30, 2012 12:16 PM (hNXHo)


Go cartoonish with it. Veritable fountains of water streaming forth, like in comedy anime or whatever passes for saturday morning cartoons in this era, 'cause whatever's on saturday mornings these days, it hasn't got jack shit on the stuff from when I was a kid.

Kinda depressing to realize that.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:18 PM (R8Rbc)

232 Practicing trolling.

Posted by: Truman North at November 30, 2012 12:18 PM (I2LwF)

233 If that Orwell v. Huxley theory is correct and Huxley wins, you know what hat means? Ace is the Antichrist.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (Hx5uv)


Huh. Interesting. I always figured the Anti-Christ would be more charismatic and less furry and covered in hobo blood and Cheetos.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:19 PM (4df7R)

234

hahahaha, Obama's FEMA screwed New Yorkers.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:19 PM (LhO8w)

235
In certain corners of the manga market, you've just described their ideal fantasy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (4df7R)


...I've got an invoice here for three and a half gallons of brain bleach I just ordered. I'd like to backcharge you for the principal amount. x_x

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:20 PM (R8Rbc)

236

And how well did Christie's groveling pay off?

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:20 PM (LhO8w)

237 Huh. Interesting. I always figured the Anti-Christ
would be more charismatic and less furry and covered in hobo blood and
Cheetos.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:19 PM (4df7R)

He's an accessible, kid-friendly antichrist that still appeals to adults. So, win-win, if you're a satanic type.

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2012 12:21 PM (RD7QR)

238 hahahaha, Obama's FEMA screwed New Yorkers.
Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:19 PM (LhO8w)


Gee, there's a surprise.

This? --> -_- This is my shocked face. See how shocked I am? -_-

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:21 PM (4df7R)

239 the government going after your 401K's, etc.

Well Argentina did that Oct. 22, 2008 and look how well it's worked out for them...no wait, what?

Posted by: Paladin at November 30, 2012 12:21 PM (4kpbt)

240 God says he can get me out of this mess, but I'm pretty sure the rest of you are fucked.

Posted by: A few independent red states at November 30, 2012 12:21 PM (WYTHl)

241 ...I've got an invoice here for three and a half gallons of brain bleach I just ordered. I'd like to backcharge you for the principal amount. x_x
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:20 PM (R8Rbc)


<_<

>_>

*runs for the hills!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:22 PM (4df7R)

242 Fiscal Cliff? Honey check your baggage we already went 16 Trillion Dollar Down The Cliff, who do you think your fooling.
Audy Murphy still lives in the hearts and mind of the country..

Posted by: Clemenza at November 30, 2012 12:22 PM (Q8Pu5)

243

\O/

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 12:22 PM (evdj2)

244 He's an accessible, kid-friendly antichrist that still appeals to adults.

Hellfire and fun for the whole family!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:22 PM (4df7R)

245 I gotta find a more subtle way to present backcharges.



Maybe pack it inside a gift basket with Lindt truffles or something...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:23 PM (R8Rbc)

246 OT: Egyptian framers are having problems with drafting their retro-fit national constitution (AP wire Drudge-linked LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/br5ftfn)

Excerpt:

"Omissions of certain articles, such as bans
on slavery or promises to adhere to international rights treaties, were
equally worrying to critics of the new draft, who pulled out from the
panel before the vote."

Posted by: mrp at November 30, 2012 12:23 PM (HjPtV)

247 Prediction: If there's a deal, Boehner will cry. And, if there's no deal, Boehner will cry.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:24 PM (wbmaj)

248 \O/
Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 30, 2012 12:22 PM (evdj2)


"Touchdown!"

(Sorry, that's just what I always think when I see that little figure.)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:24 PM (4df7R)

249 He's an accessible, kid-friendly antichrist that still appeals to adults.

I'm picturing him using the Troy McClure voice from The Simpsons.


"Hi, I'm The Antichrist! You may know me from such films as The Omen, Rosemary's Baby, and the classic Book of Revelations!"

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:24 PM (GQ8sn)

250 Look, I enjoy a good bitch fest as much as anyone. How many of you have contacted your congress critter? If you want to go over the cliff, the news media don't matter, the Senate don't matter, the Prez don't matter, etc. Now is the time to hit the accelerator and go over the cliff together. Remember, this is not the same situation as a govt. shutdown with media coverage of sad sack govt workers unable to buy presents for their kids. Most people won't even notice until they see their withholding from Jan. check. Base voters understand the stakes. Second, Presidents almost always lose seats in the last midterm, Clinton notwithstanding. Prepare to minimize your AGI, batten down the hatches, and let your Congress critter know that if they vote for crapola then you will primary their butts.

Pass meaningless bills repeatedly to institute the Repubs talking points above. With control of the House, we can do that. Attack the media during news conferences as collaborators. We tried the nice thing with Romney, now is the time for nasty horrid partisanship and not sweet reasonableness.

Posted by: wg at November 30, 2012 12:25 PM (mXRhV)

251




How about we
call this what it is: BANKRUPTCY. This "Fiscal Cliff" crap is a silly
little RNC/DNC/MSM ploy to avoid owning up to their abject failures.


The RNC/DNC are stuttering clusterf***s of a
miserable failure.


Posted by: Iggy at November 30, 2012 12:25 PM (5Cwv4)

252 "Hi, I'm The Antichrist! You may know me from such films as The Omen, Rosemary's Baby, and the classic Book of Revelations!"
Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:24 PM (GQ8sn)


All it's missing is an introductory, "Yub yub!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:25 PM (4df7R)

253 I just wish I had the cash to buy Beck's "Obama in Pee Pee" artwork.

I guess I'll just have to make my own. I just don't want to have to BUY something that will fund the asshole.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 30, 2012 12:26 PM (UK9cE)

254 Excerpt:"Omissions of certain articles, such as bans on slavery or promises to adhere to international rights treaties, were equally worrying to critics of the new draft, who pulled out from the panel before the vote."

Arab Spring is teh Awesome!

Posted by: MSM Fucktards at November 30, 2012 12:26 PM (BrQrN)

255 Stop negotiating with the Bastards, fix bayonets and yell Nuts!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at November 30, 2012 12:26 PM (Q8Pu5)

256 Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy. If a Democrat ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!

Posted by: troy mcclure at November 30, 2012 12:26 PM (evdj2)

257

Glenn said he'll be selling tshirts of Obama in Pee Pee.

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:27 PM (LhO8w)

258 Prediction: If there's a deal, Boehner will cry. And, if there's no deal, Boehner will cry.

Why are you so hurtful? *Sobs*

Posted by: Teh Boehner! at November 30, 2012 12:27 PM (BrQrN)

259 To: wg
My Congress critter is John Sarbanes, Jr., and he ain't takin' my calls.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:27 PM (wbmaj)

260 semi-OT: What the @%$*$ is Romney doing hanging around with Obama now? He knows what the optics of this do for what little negotiating leverage we currently have with the public, right? (i.e., MSM: Obama's chummy with Romney, that means he's being conciliatory and bi-partisan, not like mean partisan extremists like Boehner and McConnell)

Wow...I'm actually kinda glad he didn't get elected. Fuck that douche.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (+WhyQ)

261 "Omissions of certain articles, such as bans on slavery or promises to adhere to international rights treaties, were equally worrying to critics of the new draft, who pulled out from the panel before the vote."

Well, duh. Did the panelists just forget that slavery is still a perfectly acceptable practice in Africa, and in Muslim societies in general? That's not exactly NEWS, dickwads.

And as for international rights treaties, I'm surprised the Egyptian delegation didn't just slap a big, "LOL!" in their Constitution where that was supposed to be.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (4df7R)

262
Us campaign against al-Qaida should not be seen as a conflict without an end, Pentagons' chief lawyer says - @Reuters



It looks like our surrender papers are being prepared.

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (jTKU5)

263 Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy. If a Democrat ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!

<looks at the camera with a creepy smile>

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (5iuEW)

264 fix bayonets

lulz, no one uses those anymore, wingnut.

Posted by: Field Marshal Preezy Choom at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (QGyiB)

265
Bears AKA FSA and DOOM have tremendous olfactory senses and incredible closing speed. They will sniff out the quietest and run down and maul the most fleet of foot.

Not to say that going silent and improving your own position isn't a great idea. It's that eventually the bear will get you unless you move to where there are no bears (SeeBritish rich down by 2/3rds post) Where did they or their money go? That is what I want to know. Or does a lowly sub-rich hick not have a chance?

Posted by: sophistahick at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (UhXzR)

266 Andy I like the way you think Buddy.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 30, 2012 12:28 PM (LRFds)

267 Excerpt:"Omissions of certain articles, such as bans on slavery or
promises to adhere to international rights treaties, were equally
worrying to critics of the new draft, who pulled out from the panel
before the vote."


So maybe if they concede the whole slavery thing they can get the honoring treaties thing? Maybe the GOP should take negotiating lessons from these guys.

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2012 12:29 PM (RD7QR)

268
Something I don't get here--if you want to attempt to get a handle on the financial mess, why do you NOT start with a budget?

You could use say, one of the several formulated and ignored--whichever was most appropriate--and base the cuts etc on that.

I would be willing to do so and shut it down were the GOP willing to make THAT the hill to die on.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2012 12:29 PM (SAMxH)

269 Wait, I like the AMT. It hits high earners in high-tax states worse than those in low-tax states, which is a crude approximation of my fond wish that high-income Ds be taxed at a higher rate than Rs.

Posted by: Bud Norton at November 30, 2012 12:30 PM (6cOMd)

270
"How many of you have contacted your congress critter?"


That works?


Since when?

Posted by: Meremortal, pass the dynamite cause the fuse is lit at November 30, 2012 12:30 PM (jTKU5)

271 \Something I don't get here--if you want to attempt to get a handle on the financial mess, why do you NOT start with a budget?

To borrow a phrase from AtC, "Because REASONS."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:30 PM (4df7R)

272 Something I don't get here--if you want to attempt to get a handle on the financial mess, why do you NOT start with a budget?

Like olaf said, the democrats are too coward to even propose a budget. It would mean publishing exact numbers and......sticking to them.

Posted by: EC at November 30, 2012 12:30 PM (GQ8sn)

273 Another point.......There hasn't been a budget for 4 years.

WTF were the Republicans mentioning THAT during the election? Isn't a budget REQUIRED BY LAW?!?!?

our side sucks.....

Posted by: © Sponge at November 30, 2012 12:31 PM (UK9cE)

274

why do I have the feeling that an illegal in AZ won powerball?

Posted by: soothsayer's super ego at November 30, 2012 12:32 PM (LhO8w)

275 I hope I can avoid a lashing for my transgression. Perhaps cheesecake will absolve me. o.0

What kind of cheesecake? The kind you eat, or the kind you date? Because I'm good with either one.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 30, 2012 12:32 PM (zF6Iw)

276 Noodle ace post up.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 30, 2012 12:34 PM (4df7R)

277 What kind of cheesecake? The kind you eat, or the kind you date? Because I'm good with either one.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 30, 2012 12:32 PM (zF6Iw)


Typically, when I inadvertantly offend a female friend around here, I offer a 10" Godiva cheesecake from the Cheesecake Factory to sue for peace. Alternatively, if they are having a particularly bad day, I will do the same, because sugar, properly presented, solves everything.

Occasionally a white chocolate raspberry, or a key lime, but typically Godiva does the trick. It's got (A. incredibly smooth chocolate, (B. a brownie crust, and (C. it's a cheesecake.

You just can't go wrong. o.O

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:35 PM (R8Rbc)

278 MWR, you've got me cracking up today. On fire. We should go back to brainstorming ideas that a PAC with some guts could do. I like that much better than all the LiB nonsense.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 30, 2012 12:35 PM (da5Wo)

279 Even though it's become crystal clear that Boehner and McConnell are a mere charade of opposition "leadership" and the GOP is anything but "party", it still comes back to the MFM, without which this high stakes farce would be impossible to cover up.


I don't see a way out of this without tar, feathers, torches and gallows.


.... and a very loud thud

Posted by: ontherocks at November 30, 2012 12:36 PM (aZ6ew)

280 I then stood there for 20 minutes (yes, stood, I was not allowed to sit)
and was yelled at by seven different people about how it was all my
fault since I didn't stop them.


So me being a fat guy with inadequate anger management skills does have the advantage that no one would dream of yelling at me for > 2 minutes even if I did something wrong.

Posted by: DaveA at November 30, 2012 12:36 PM (Xefrb)

281 #38 Love that idea

Posted by: Barky Boo Boo Bait at November 30, 2012 12:36 PM (scLNg)

282 >> My Congress critter is John Sarbanes, Jr., and he ain't takin' my calls.

Yeah, I don't think my current rep, Barney Frank, or his successor, Little Joe Kennedy, will be too receptive to my suggestions.

Well, except I guess Barney's ears will perk up a bit when I get to the "go fuck yourself" part, so there's that.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2012 12:37 PM (C/NnJ)

283 The $570 Million Powerball Victory In Context

... In which Zero Hedge looks at the implications of taxing nouveau riche Powerball winners at the "fair" marginal rate of 100%.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2012 12:37 PM (e8kgV)

284 Does Boehner have to waterproof his suits?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:39 PM (wbmaj)

285 Oh the economy is frightful
But obama is so delightful
The voters show no concern
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
**************************
It doesn't show signs of stopping
U.S. credit rating dropping
See the money presses churn
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
U.S. debt climbs way out of sight
High unemployment the new norm
Poverty will grip us so tight
We'll burn our pets to stay warm
***************************
Nation is slowly dying
Brainless sheep are multiplying
Sanity they like to spurn
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

Posted by: Hard Right at November 30, 2012 12:39 PM (uhftQ)

286 Posted by: Kinley Ardal at November 30, 2012 12:35 PM (R8Rbc)

Wow. I need you for a friend.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at November 30, 2012 12:40 PM (NYki8)

287 Well, George W.
Bush cut rates across the board, not just for the top 2 percent. Going back to the Clinton rates means middle-class tax hikes that yield four times the revenue that you get from just the rich.

Just the fact that the mental douchnozzles in the RNC and Romney camp didn't RUN TO THE HILLS with that information shows just how fucking stupid our side is.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 30, 2012 12:17 PM (UK9cE)


I don't understand it. they should have been yelling that every time a microphone was jammed in their faces.

Idiots.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 12:42 PM (udKQu)

288 Bulleting: Weather Channel predicts Monday temps in Wasshington to be in low 60s. Boehner bursts into tears. Film at 11.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:43 PM (wbmaj)

289 Fuck you Grover!

Tax hikes for EVERYONE!!!

Raise rates on the investor class just to screw the economy?

Nay, I say nay!

Sunset the entire bitch.

I think it will be funny as hell when some of us start paying *into* the system for the first time in almost a decade!

Posted by: Deety loves SMOD at November 30, 2012 12:44 PM (QG3g9)

290 Thinking more about this, I think the socially moderate (or liberal), yet wealthy, Obama voters have been taking the Reps (or Cons) for granted. They have been free to vote for taxpayer-funded birth control because they have always been protected in the past. They know that they have been safe voting against their economic protectors. Maybe they should really face what Obama has been promising on tax rates. Let it burn.

Posted by: calbadger at November 30, 2012 12:46 PM (TaWQc)

291 Thing A is done. Within 10 days, really bad things B, C and D occur. I am then called into a meeting with the entire firm and it is demanded that I explain why I let them do thing A. I pointed out that I strenuously objected to thing A, I told them not to do thing A, I suggested we do thing 2, I warned them about the really bad things and that I did everything I could to stop this. I then stood there for 20 minutes (yes, stood, I was not allowed to sit) and was yelled at by seven different people about how it was all my fault since I didn't stop them.

*sigh*

The very exact reason I wanted nothing to do with the corporate culture. I ran from it. Ran from big money. Then again, I am still sane and retained my gonads.

Sort of.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 30, 2012 12:49 PM (udKQu)

292 Just numbers:

2012 Obama's deficit (best case scenario)
$1,100,000,000,000

Taxing rich - Buffet rule (1 year)
$4,700,000,000

Posted by: Comrade J at November 30, 2012 12:50 PM (6kkPP)

293 Lets admit the deal will be nothing more than kick the can and BOHICA for the American public. (BOHICA - bend over here it comes again)

Posted by: Ron at November 30, 2012 12:51 PM (+edcN)

294 Obama's congressional "naughty and nice" list--It's the only use he can find for lumps of coal.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 30, 2012 12:54 PM (wbmaj)

295 Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
Posted by: Hard Right at November 30, 2012 12:39 PM (uhftQ)


**************

Nice

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at November 30, 2012 01:09 PM (eQnzo)

296 Hey, if the President gets the power to unilaterally raise the debt limit, does that mean the next GOP Pres has the power to unilaterally LOWER it?

Hmm....

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 30, 2012 01:17 PM (X/+QT)

297 Why doesn't Boehner act like Ronald Reagan was president, and present a bill full of conservative priorities, everything we've ever wanted? Then force Obama to crush it.

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2012 01:42 PM (U0ndG)

298 Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 30, 2012 12:14 PM (YmPwQ)
___
I lived in S. Philly for a while. My grandfather came over and hopscotched from Ozone Park (NYC), to 10th and Morris, then he settled in Delco.


Posted by: kallisto at November 30, 2012 01:43 PM (jm/9g)

299
It's all theatre of the absurd.

No need to let it burn. It'll burn all by itself.

Neither side is serious about reducing the budget, let alone paying down the debt. When we're borrowing forty cents of every dollar we spend, and when we're talking about tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities and debt? The current tempest in a teapot is absurd to the point of insanity.
Slash the size of government. Cut it to the bone. The EPA, NEA, TSA, DHS, Pentagon, welfare, food stamps, national parks, BLM, foreign aid (including Israel), 501(c)3's, Social Security, Medicare, whatever your favorite government program, department or bureaucracy, it's gotta go or be slashed. If you claim any diffrently, you're simply not being serious about the topic.
Over half the laws on the books need to be repealed so we can get rid of the bureaucracies and bureaucrats (SEIU government benefits, baby), including government employee unions. It'll also free up costs of compliance (fees, permits, taxes) and help to set the economy on fire.
It's all gotta go or be cut to the bone. Anything else is bullshit. Anything less leads to automatically letting it burn. Currently, unless you're a government employee, the math simply doesn't add up any other way...and the math is dead simple.

iow, it's gonna burn, anyway. You don't haveta want it to burn. You - and the rest of America -already made that decision. You made it a long time ago...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 30, 2012 01:47 PM (WwR1j)

300 This never would have happened if we'd elected Mitt Romney...
*COUGH!

Posted by: Tim at November 30, 2012 01:48 PM (cqZXM)

301 90 Agree about striking workers, disagree about temporarily unemployed. I think quite the opposite. Give unemployment temporarily. Cut aid to long term unemployed. They stop looking for work and just skate by on tax payers' support. If you take away their unemployment, that forces them to either get a job, any job or to seek aid from other private sources.

About 15 years ago, when my sister and I were young, but I was old enough to understand what was going on.....I don't know if you remember, but the Teamsters had a strike, and UPS shut down. That put my dad out of work. My dad tried to be brave about it, act all "No big deal" but it was scary. He was not one of the strikers, he just wanted to work. It was scary, not knowing how long the strike would last, if my dad would even have a job to return to when it was over. He was a 45 year old man with no college degree or formal training and two girls to put through college. (As it turns out he would have paid a whole lot less for our schooling had he been fired and taken on a job making far less) They tried to keep life as normal as possible, but at one point they did sit me down and explain that I needed to prepare for possibly being transferred to the public school in town, away from the private school I had attended my whole life and all of my friends. That was devastating for me to hear, but I feel worse for them.....it was not an easy thing to tell me, and I know my dad felt beyond awful. Three generations of my father's side of the family had graduated from my private school; I would be the fourth. The day came when my dad went to file for unemployment. He didn't want to do it. He felt ashamed. He felt less of a person. My mom had to convince him to do it. He went with some of his coworkers, and I think that helped.

As it turns out, the strike only lasted a couple of weeks, though in my memory, it felt much longer. Long story short, some families need just a little bit of help, just to get over the hump, just to make it through.....and that's what unemployment should be for....to help people out for a short time; in the end, they will be back in the workforce contributing 10fold back into society. Unemployment should not be for people who have never worked, or worked for 6 months, then receive 5 years of unemployment. It shouldn't be a blank check for people not even trying to get jobs or not even trying to get educated or trained for jobs.

Posted by: Tickled Pink at November 30, 2012 01:51 PM (E1Vkf)

302 Fuck it, it's going to burn anyway. A slim majority of the country voted to play with gasoline and matches, and we all get to suffer for it.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at November 30, 2012 01:55 PM (jCQ+I)

303 WTF is wrong with the GOP?

Back when I was a young liberal, Reagan won in landslides. Even I am conservative now! And still the GOP talks like Liberal Lite against all empirical evidence that this will get them elected.

Posted by: PJ at November 30, 2012 02:41 PM (ZWaLo)

304 On the previous LIB post Gabe pointed out that LIB is unlikely to impact the thinking of the Honey Boo Boos of the FSA. In that case, these people are literally, and not in the Joe Biden sense, too stupid to live and should die because of their abject failure to perceive reality.

It takes nothing less than the enslavement of the productive to prop up the unthinking, unserious, undeserving FSA, who will vote in any government necessary to gladly enslave the productive for that very purpose.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 30, 2012 02:41 PM (qs9G3)






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