The Eight College Degrees With The Worst Return on Initial Investment

There are a lot of liberal-leaning degrees and professions on the list. The number one worst return on investment is a communications degree. Sociology and education and fine arts and psychology are also on the list.

You can see the makings of a life of bitterness and resentment, as people naturally begin believing in government solutions to artificially increase their earnings.

Posted by: Ace at 02:32 PM



Comments

1 First.

Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 02:33 PM (qaVK+)

2 Hang in there ace.

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 02:34 PM (AVfT8)

3 I had just finished reading Prof Reynolds link, and here it is already. All right, I'm the first to say: English and philosophy don't even make the cut. And where are all the many reviled "Studies" studies?

Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 02:35 PM (qaVK+)

4 A double major in Womyns studies and Poli sci. What could go wrong?

Posted by: xtian and I vote at November 29, 2012 02:36 PM (FxBCF)

5 Reposted and fixed. Why oh why are we assuming that going after the free shit army/gimmecrats is unpopular. It would be wildly popular. Let's do it.

Making fun of:
1) Welfare queens; 2) Section 8 Housing; and 3) California
IS VERY POPULAR AND A POLITICALLY WINNING ARGUMENT.
Cut the shit out of these programs/states.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:36 PM (tVTLU)

6 She doesn't have everything...


Try our Holiday Special!

Posted by: Jizz Pics 4 Sale at November 29, 2012 02:37 PM (OAbmF)

7 In a couple years, a degree in basket weaving won't be a term or derision.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:37 PM (z9HTb)

8 I have a friend who is a psychologist. Total liberal caricature of a college professor. He's done quite well for himself but he's single and has milked the system for all it's worth. He's going to be sorely disappointed when the education bubble finally bursts.

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 29, 2012 02:37 PM (pLTLS)

9 Last night there was a "we need to win the culture war" post up. Based on the top baby names of 2012, it's safe to say we're losing.

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/hottest-baby-names-2012-044700351.html#more-id

At least Dakota isn't on that list. Fuck Dakota, North and South. But seriously, those are some seriously not masculine names on the boys side.

Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 02:38 PM (Tlix5)

10 Shocka.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at November 29, 2012 02:38 PM (zgHLA)

11 Bwahaha.

Most of the marketing people in my company are "Communications Majors"

About 50% of them can't spell and have terrible diction.

Posted by: marcus at November 29, 2012 02:38 PM (GGCsk)

12 Okay, I have to disagree with the article right from the beginning where it says that without doubt a college degree increases opportunity blah blah blah. Ummm, no, there's a a lot of doubt as to whether a college degree is actually worth the paper it's printed on.



I'm a little surprised that psych has a low ROI though I suppose it does make sense since a lot of psych majors end up in social work fields that make jack shit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 02:38 PM (VtjlW)

13 No wonder journalists are commies, they don't make shit.

Ah the free market works after all.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:39 PM (tVTLU)

14
Woot!!!! My field of studies is safe!!!!

Posted by: Post Tsarist Russian Expressive Dance Major at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (nELVU)

15 I switched from relatively useless (Biology) to completely useless (Poli Sci) halfway through.

The mountain of debt serves me quite well in my career of being a stay at home mom.

Posted by: Lauren at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (wsGWu)

16 All the lady bartenders that worked at the local bar I hung out at had degrees in sociology. Except one and hers was in government related studies.


They worked for minimum wage + tips.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (YdQQY)

17 From my position deep inside the legal education beast I can report that law schools are definitely suffering. Many possible law school students made the calculations and realized that they would only recoup their losses by being at least a medium-sized wheel at a medium-sized firm, and getting your degree from the University of Non-Ivy League won't get you there.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (RD7QR)

18 But seriously, those are some seriously not masculine names on the boys side.
Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 02:38 PM (Tlix5)

Aaron, what the f are you talking about? You've got two forms of Jack on there?? The only couple that might not be super masculine would be Aiden or Jayden.

Other than that, those are some manly names there.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:41 PM (tVTLU)

19 3. All right, I'm the first to say: English and philosophy don't even make the cut. And where are all the many reviled "Studies" studies?
Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 02:35 PM (qaVK+)


Ha. They've all struck it rich on the bureaucratic trough. Sucker.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 29, 2012 02:42 PM (jfUIE)

20 Vic,

But were they hot. It all affects potential earnings...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:42 PM (tVTLU)

21 Methodology kinda sucks since they don't include the probability of actually getting work in the field in which you got your degree.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 02:43 PM (QGyiB)

22 Can we add any degree from UC Berkley to the list?

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 02:43 PM (UK9cE)

23 Didn't see poli sci on the list, but t should be there.

I'm gonna be an engineer. I always loved trains...

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 02:43 PM (I2LwF)

24 I got a pretty useless degree. But it was from a top school and I got good grades. Then I got a job with an investment bank. That's the key. Doesn't matter what the major is. What matters is the quality of school and the grades. Getting a degree in African American 19th Century Poetry from No Name State U with a 2.5 GPA is a ticket straight to Baristaville. Getting the same degree and a 3.5 GPA from a top 20 school is a ticket to a solid upper middle class career.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:44 PM (HDgX3)

25 But seriously, those are some seriously not masculine names on the boys side.


The fuck you talkin' about?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:44 PM (z9HTb)

26 Yes they were hawt, but too young for me.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:44 PM (YdQQY)

27 You want return on investment?

Posted by: Andre Serrano at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (OAbmF)

28 When the college bubble bursts, the left will lose one of its most powerful weapons.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (kdfQ/)

29 Check back next year, and I'll bet the Choom Degree from Mary Jane Community College ranks* right up there.

*Drop-outs and incarceration statistics included.*

Posted by: Fritz at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (d8K+M)

30 24
I got a pretty useless degree. But it was from a top school and I got
good grades. Then I got a job with an investment bank. That's the key.
Doesn't matter what the major is. What matters is the quality of school
and the grades. Getting a degree in African American 19th Century Poetry
from No Name State U with a 2.5 GPA is a ticket straight to
Baristaville. Getting the same degree and a 3.5 GPA from a top 20 school
is a ticket to a solid upper middle class career.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:44 PM (HDgX3)

Preferrably Ivy League, Seven Sisters, or U of Chicago.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (RD7QR)

31 *le cough*

I have a communication degree.

It's good enough to get you in the door just about anywhere, but if you don't have any ability or desire to learn new skills and grow , you won't last long. In other words, if you don't stick your nose in other people's offices and say, "Hey, do you have anything I can work on? I'm free," you aren't going to get anywhere (note: this WILL NOT work in a union shop). I started in an advertising department and now I work with databases. I'm not rich, but I'm in demand. It's good.



All a Liberal Arts degree does anymore is show the potential employer that you had the wherewithal to stick it out for four years of higher education without dropping out. So long as they aren't asking you to do anything too technical that requires an advanced degree, it's serviceable. But if you get an LA degree, you'd better be smart if you ever want to be anything but a gofer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:46 PM (4df7R)

32 I have a masters in theoretical studies from Omaha Mutual U.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2012 02:46 PM (XkWWK)

33 In the new Obamacolleges, "Queuing Up, Basic and Advanced" will be very popular.

>snicker<

Posted by: Comrade Pickles, loyal Party Cat at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (vlC9n)

34 How about "ring by Spring" majors? How do they do?

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (AVfT8)

35 28
When the college bubble bursts, the left will lose one of its most powerful weapons.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (kdfQ/)

Nah. Next Obama freebie courtesy of the taxpayers: heavily subsidized tuition. They need to keep that zone of indoctrination alive and working.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (RD7QR)

36 Yes they were hawt, but too young for me.

So, below the 'divide by two and add seven range' then.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (NF2Bf)

37 Somewhere I read that the best journalists didn't go to J-school, but were history and poli sci majors.

Makes sense because those studies would give you a more well-rounded view of the world and how it works.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (LMPgk)

38 Talked to a kid working in McDonalds that had a degree in nutrition.

She could not find a regular job.

Oh the delicious irony.

Posted by: marcus at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (GGCsk)

39 I'm sorry, Ace, I cannot read a 12 page article with one paragraph on each page. Not today.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (0PiQ4)

40 Suckers!

Posted by: puppetry major grad student at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (jPVBi)

41 Preferrably Ivy League


Is there a 'Southern Ivy' list, similar to the 'Public Ivy'?


William 'n' Mary, Duke, etc?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (z9HTb)

42 I've offended the Aiden's and the Jayden's. But not the Siri's?

Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (Tlix5)

43 Bought Christmas presents for the grandsons a couple days ago. Every present was STEM*. It was tough, and took some time, but I'm gonna put as much spin as I can on their future.

Bonus is I'm gonna have fun showing them how to program a 'rover' to navigate some obstacles, invade the kitchen, and request a juice box from their mom, then turn around and retrace its route. Robotic arm with USB/computer interface was another present. Apparently grandson #2 has a robotic after school class he can take.

* Science, technology, engineering, mathematics.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (feFL6)

44 Stuffit Shack is selling franchises in my area. They serve Batchelor Chow and offer one-handed massages.

I can't see how this could go wrong!

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (I2LwF)

45 BOEHNER STFU about FISCAL CLIFF!!! Yes I broke out the almost all caps.

You engineered that deal, mofo, you need to say it isn't a terrible thing.

Because it's your deal. And the Dems are going to go there.

Guess who gets the blame?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 02:49 PM (7vSU0)

46 then, add a JD to any of those degrees for super fail

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (3zQJl)

47 Stossel did a special report about unemployment and jobs that were going begging last weekend. College people are the ones who can not find a job. However people who went to Tech Schools and got a 2 year degree in one of the trades like auto repair, plumbing, welding etc are finding work immediately and at high salary.


The showed one kid who had just bought a new car and had taken welding courses in High School. Immediately employed after school and earning good money.


And what is even more astounding they interviewed several managers who said they had jobs unfilled because they could not find people. Their two biggest problems were finding people who were skilled in those types of trades and who were willing to show for work.


You are better off now w/o a degree and the mountains of debt that go with it.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (YdQQY)

48 But if you get an LA degree, you'd better be smart if you ever want to be anything but a gofer.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:46 PM (4df7R)

____

Ouch! Where I work, almost everyone has an MBA. God bless them.

Posted by: Cricket at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (DrC22)

49
Where's the sex? I thought smart military blogs had oodles of sex, n'est pas?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 29, 2012 02:51 PM (TYO2p)

50 It's good enough to get you in the door just about anywhere, but if you
don't have any ability or desire to learn new skills and grow , you
won't last long. In other words, if you don't stick your nose in other
people's offices and say, "Hey, do you have anything I can work on? I'm
free," you aren't going to get anywhere (note: this WILL NOT work in a
union shop). I started in an advertising department and now I work with
databases. I'm not rich, but I'm in demand. It's good.



I don't have a degree at all, and I found the above advice to be useful throughout my 35 years in the workforce.

You want to work and make money? Then WORK!




Posted by: Bruce at November 29, 2012 02:51 PM (qB0/v)

51 At least Dakota isn't on that list. Fuck Dakota, North and South.
But seriously, those are some seriously not masculine names on the boys
side.


Um....

Posted by: Dakota Meyer, USMC at November 29, 2012 02:51 PM (5iuEW)

52 Do what you love, and eventually the money will come.

Posted by: Myths And Other Lies Told To Children, Vol III at November 29, 2012 02:51 PM (jwZyw)

53 43, plus they will remain virgins!

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 02:51 PM (AVfT8)

54 RGIII got a communications degree from Baylor. Seems to be working out pretty good for him.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 29, 2012 02:52 PM (+lsX1)

55 I used to be a reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. I quit in '06. I think I finished about $47k/yr but my undergrad wasn't expensive. Anyway, journo-islam is stupid.

Posted by: simpleton at November 29, 2012 02:52 PM (i3pKT)

56 So, below the 'divide by two and add seven range' then.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (NF2Bf)

Oh yes, much younger than that, plus I had this little problem with being married.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (YdQQY)

57 Vic,

Divide your age by 2 and add 4 years I think. That, according to the nation of islam wackos, is the youngest chick you can marry. So as long as you're close, it's all good...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (tVTLU)

58 I would advise some fan boys herenot to rag on a journalism / communications degree too hard. It may come back to bite you in the ass. I think you know where I'm going with this.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (m2CN7)

59 Bought Christmas presents for the grandsons a couple days ago. Every present was STEM*. It was tough, and took some time, but I'm gonna put as much spin as I can on their future.

Good plan! And if you ever have any granddaughters, do the same for them.

Whenever we have a baby shower where I work, I always, always, always give books. Cloth books, board books, some simple picture books, and then at least one "older child" reading book, like an Alice in Wonderland (if I know it's a girl; something masculine for the boys or neutral if the gender isn't known). As a child, one of my aunts would always send my sister and I books for our birthdays and at Christmas. The woman herself was an asshat, but I am forever grateful to her for that. If I hadn't developed that early love of reading, I might be a braindead Obamabot today.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (4df7R)

60 William 'n' Mary, Duke, etc?


Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (z9HTb)

Plus Wake Forest, UVA, and maybe UNCCH.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (RD7QR)

61 They worked for minimum wage + tips.

See that? Minimum wage AND tips, the degree did pay off.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 29, 2012 02:53 PM (epxV4)

62 Do what you love, and eventually the money will come you will never work a day in your life.


FIFY.


Have a plan 'B'

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (z9HTb)

63 well, once obama's 2nd term ground breaking economic strategy of 100,000 teachers gets through congress, the laughs will be on us.

oh wait, he hasn't actually done any work on this stupid stupid idea?

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (3zQJl)

64 Is there a 'Southern Ivy' list, similar to the 'Public Ivy'?


William 'n' Mary, Duke, etc?
Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (z9HTb)



Vandy. In retrospect, I should have taken up the offer by a professor of mine to get me into the medical ethics Ph.D. program at Vandy. That's right, bitches, I could be in charge of pulling All The Plugs. Mwahaha mwahahaha.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (VtjlW)

65 Wait, you guys are fantasizing about living in the wilderness with an arsenal and a gas generator to keep you company.

So what if people don't go on to make large sums of cash after college?

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (t1NLo)

66
Schrödinger's cat: You ever take them to the robot fights? I saw them in SF one year but they travel around the country. Great father/son entertainment.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (TYO2p)

67 @47 similiarly if parents want to set kids up for $100K but them a franchise instead of a degree

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (3zQJl)

68
65
Wait, you guys are fantasizing about living in the wilderness with an arsenal and a gas generator to keep you company.



So what if people don't go on to make large sums of cash after college?

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (t1NLo)


Point here is debt, a topic far beyond the understanding of Lefty maroons.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (b8JJF)

69 46, international relations BA and JD = retirement at 45 for this cowboy...

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (AVfT8)

70 Patreaus: "I screwed up royally." I guess the General wasn't a communications major. Better to have not used the word "screwed" when apologizing for a sex scandal.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (0PiQ4)

71 I wasn't a communications major, but English, which could be arguably worse. (Cue relatives asking, "What are you going to DO with an English degree?")

Anyway, I worked a bunch of decent paying jobs in magazines, surrounded by journo majors, but I make a lot more on my own as a freelance copywriter and editor. It's harder work when you're starting out -- and you have to have business sense, which many writers and editors don't, and would rather do the work handed to them rather than burn up some shoe leather. Of course, Darwin eventually has his way with them, and leads to a lifetime of voting Dem.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (96M6e)

72 I used to be a reporter for the Atlanta Journal Constitution. I quit in '06. I think I finished about $47k/yr but my undergrad wasn't expensive. Anyway, journo-islam is stupid.
Posted by: simpleton at November 29, 2012 02:52 PM (i3pKT)


Damn, working at a metro daily you'd be the envy of small town reporters. They don't make much more than half that.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (LMPgk)

73
Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (t1NLo)


Ignore him. It's Jon, the troll.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (4df7R)

74 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo8CrY_ZfFk

Ah, George (and that's a real name, dammit!)

Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (Tlix5)

75 Divide your age by 2 and add 4 years I think. That, according to the nation of islam wackos, is the youngest oldest chick you can marry. So as long as you're close, it's all good...

Fixed that for you infidel.

Posted by: Mohammed at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (NF2Bf)

76 It's easier to just think about college as 13th through 16th+ grade.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (qiXMt)

77 As a former English major, I wonder: Should I get a bottle of Jim Beam tonight, or the Captain?

Posted by: Cricket at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (DrC22)

78 There's plenty of tough guys and always will be. What's missing is charisma.

There's no more Brandos, Mitchums, Kirk Douglases. Male role models now are like that mewly guy from "14 Again" or whatever that was called.

Guys like Jake Gyllenwhatever. Or that dude from the PC v Mac commercials.

Charisma has been feyized.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (KXm42)

79 Damn, working at a metro daily you'd be the envy of small town reporters. They don't make much more than half that.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:56 PM (LMPgk)

But then again, they don't have to pay for the COL in Atlanta, which is high as hell.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (YdQQY)

80 Golan,

BUST IT OUT!! It feels good. Plus, you are exactly right. Who agreed to this fucking POS deal??

Let me understand this right: Democrats are trying to avoid:

1) raising a shit ton of taxes; and
2) cutting the shit out of the defense department.

THAT'S A DEMOCRAT'S WET FUCKING DREAM.

But Boner is handling it right now. Tell the world pubs are willing to put revenue on the table. Now WHAT FUCKING CUTS are going to be made? Lead you stupid fucking democrats, you won the election. Stop bitching.

Boner needs to be out there every day saying Pubs are willing to raise revenue, WHAT CUTS need to be made. And then propose going after chronic welfare and waste Section 8 housing.

Making fun of/cutting shit to the obamaphone lady is a winning fucking argument.

Can we just ALL AGREE on that??? If we can't point to obamaphone lady and say we don't want to end up like her, then it really is time to go Galt.

But we ain't there yet.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (tVTLU)

81 Preferrably Ivy League, Seven Sisters, or U of Chicago.


Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (RD7QR)



Or Northwestern. In the Chicago area if you didn't attend U of C or Northwestern some companies won't even consider you.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (1Jaio)

82 D. hopper. Damn, and I bet you did a lot of traveling too?

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (3zQJl)

83 international law was easy as shit class too. damn.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:58 PM (3zQJl)

84 Oh yes, much younger than that, plus I had this little problem with being married.
Posted by: Vic


Ah, well that would pose a problem. Well, as one 'ette wrote sometime (Tammy al Thor maybe?): It's fine to read the whole menu as long as you go home to eat!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 29, 2012 02:58 PM (NF2Bf)

85 Ah, communications. The favored major of college athletes everywhere.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (SY2Kh)

86
I know they are doing a 'return on investment' to come up with these, but how does "teacher" make that list. They obviously are not counting many benefits as well as time off, there are many other union type jobs on there too.

So I am going to call bunk on their whole list.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (n/ubI)

87 Plus Wake Forest, UVA, and maybe UNCCH


UVA is one of the Public Ivies, along with UMich, UVT and Miami (OH)


Quick search adds UNCCH, Cal Berkeley, UTA and Wm 'n' Mary.


Looky there; I just learned that Wm. n Mary is public.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (z9HTb)

88 >>As a former English major

So, cricket, what did you end up doing?

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (96M6e)

89 then, add a JD to any of those degrees for super fail
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (3zQJl)



Your words are hurtful. Mainly because they are true.


I would like to submit that I have the most useless collection of degrees in the Horde. Undergrad was a triple major in history, poli sci and philosophy (dual emphasis in semantics and existentialism). Topped that sundae with a JD for utter uselessness.


Beat. That.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (VtjlW)

90 >>But then again, they don't have to pay for the COL in Atlanta, which is high as hell.
Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (YdQQY)

True, especially if they commute.
My father still gets the AJC, and it looks pretty worthless.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (LMPgk)

91 And the answer to your question is obviously The Cap'n!

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (96M6e)

92 Guys like Jake Gyllenwhatever. Or that dude from the PC v Mac commercials.

Charisma has been feyized.


Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (KXm42)


But the Mac vs. PC guy was in Die Hard With an Erection, or whatever the last one was.....He MUST be a real man's man.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (UK9cE)

93 My sister was a dual major in History and English, which means she can see how the shit the country is in right now is exactly like the shit countries have suffered throughout history, and she can also write about it clearly.

She's also stupidly smart. Not that she ever realized it, but I was always in competition with her to try and do a little better than she did.

Never happened.

But 'sokay, because I get to be the "bad" one while she gets to pretend to be the angelic oneand then swear like a sailor when we're on the phone.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (4df7R)

94 85 Ah, communications. The favored major of college athletes everywhere.

---

Don't you mean "Kinesiology" or "African Studies"?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (e0xKF)

95 You are better off now w/o a degree and the mountains of debt that go with it.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (YdQQY)

Wrong.

Many technical majors pretty much guarantee a reasonably good job out of college, and one that affords an almost unlimited upside.

Welders might make good money, but their career paths are usually limited.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (GsoHv)

96 Cliff Clavin trivia time: What two original colonies colleges are not now part of the Ivy League?

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (m2CN7)

97 "So what if people don't go on to make large sums of cash after college?"

You're an idiot, but the big lie that's been sold to many, many families is, "YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE TO GET A GOOD JOB."

Well guess what? There's evidence that that's crap. But of course, if we point that out, the Dems are going to call us anti-education. So all we can do is laugh, especially at the dumber majors.

Posted by: Shoot Me at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (qiXMt)

98 Acuity with the English language is actually very important. You can look up the answer to technical questions on this thing called the internet in a few minutes.

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (AVfT8)

99 My father still gets the AJC, and it looks pretty worthless.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (LMPgk)

That is the first paper in the South to go liberal. It was founded by Yankees after the evil war in 1865. It has always been a shit paper.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (YdQQY)

100 But then again, they don't have to pay for the COL in Atlanta, which is high as hell.
Not so, ATL is cheap compared to other "metro daily" cities. Plus we all teh gheys on the down-low

Posted by: simpleton at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (i3pKT)

101 There is a huge assumption that these people actually get jobs in their field of expertise. Some of those salaries aren't too bad but how many people applied for those jobs only to be rejected over and over.

At my work, when we need administrative help we get over one hundred applicants every time (sociology, communications, generic liberal arts degrees). When we need a chemist or and engineer we will get 1 or 2 applicants responding.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (SkyIE)

102 Where on the list is Web PITA that requires 12 clicks for short pages of this obvious point about stupidity.

Posted by: DaveA at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (Xefrb)

103 So what if people don't go on to make large sums of cash after college?


They won't contribute much toe paying down the national debt. BTW, Olaf, how much is your share?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (z9HTb)

104 Two words: Societal Gender Dialectics.

Posted by: That Guy in The Graduate at November 29, 2012 03:02 PM (QKKT0)

105 They obviously are not counting many benefits as well as time off, there are many other union type jobs on there too.

So I am going to call bunk on their whole list.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (n/ubI)


I thought the same thing when they had Teacher on the list.

I don't think that they're counting the fact that the union ones get paid for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 03:02 PM (UK9cE)

106 Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 02:50 PM (YdQQY)


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This is what I tell every young person I talk to that's getting ready to graduate HS. Go to trade school. That's where the money is.

All one becomes after going to our contemporary colleges and universities is an educated handy-man. A jack-of-all-trades but master of none.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 03:02 PM (oy/E2)

107 So, cricket, what did you end up doing?
Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (96M6e)

____

I'm a creative manager in a big, evil drug company

Posted by: Cricket at November 29, 2012 03:02 PM (DrC22)

108 re: "And where are all the many reviled "Studies" studies?"

The market (we're using the term very loosely here) for "studies" is efficient. Very few major in those things, and graduates don't have much trouble finding high-paying jobs with universities, governments, and "diversity"-obsessed/lawsuit-averse corporations, especially if they've coupled their "studies" degrees with Law or an MBA or something.

Also, I didn't see any median salary numbers on that list that are as low as the American individual median income is. A degree becomes a wasteful expense retrospectively: If you get one in a labor-saturated field ("STEM," for example) and you end up with a job at a car wash or something, your degree is (it turns out) crap. If you're in your field, your degree was, at least to some extent, "worth it." Compared to a randomly selected American, you're rollin' in it.

So, if your degree is a job program, take the fucking job. That's all you can really deduce from the numbers at the link. There's nothing *at all* suggestive of the spin you guys want to put on it.

Posted by: oblig. at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (cePv8)

109 Vic, actually the biblical definition of adultery really only means nailing a married chick, or lusting after her. So we should be all good on that front!!

Mohammed, thanks for the correction. As an upside, when you add up all the names since the muslims can't agree ona spelling, you're the number 1 boys name in all of the British Empire. FUCKING AWESOME.

They are so an up and coming superpower.... (crickets)...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (tVTLU)

110 Cliff Clavin trivia time: What two original colonies colleges are not now part of the Ivy League?

Two colleges that have never been in my kitchen!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (NF2Bf)

111 Using the IgnoreUsers@AoSHQ plugin judiciously will cut down on your exposure to the mind-numbing stupidity of our trolls. Once you are sure that a particular hash has nothing whatsoever to contribute, boink boink.

Just sayin'

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (evdj2)

112 Notice how Titty Bar Manager is not on the list of low-paying jobs at the link.

That's how The Man keeps his boot on your neck. Because they don't even have a college degree program for that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (lBRx+)

113 Welders might make good money, but their career paths are usually limited.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (GsoHv)

No job is ever limiting unless you allow it to be so. One of the managers that Stossel interviewed started out w/o a degree doing menial work and moved up to plant manager.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (YdQQY)

114 The internet? Is that still around?

Posted by: Homer at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (KXm42)

115 Looked at the corresponding list of best ROI majors. Damn, do Economics majors make a pile of cash.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 29, 2012 03:03 PM (l/Frg)

116 From Ynet about UN recognition of Palestine

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon on his part said that "today is a day of historic defeat for the Palestinians."

He further added, "For the past two years they have tried to establish a state at the UN's Security Council, the only body with binding power. Having failed, they had to make do with a meaningless step at the General Assembly."

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 03:04 PM (Dnbau)

117 ATC, well hopefully you're cute enough to land a hubby, eh?

used to be the BA was really training to get teh MRS degree.
I think some people are too proud to work regular jobs...in fact...zerohedge talked about this, having the JD is a badge of honor for white people too good to do real shit (WP2G2DRS) or simply (SWPL's)

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (3zQJl)

118 Acuity with the English language is actually very important. You can look up the answer to technical questions on this thing called the internet in a few minutes.
Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (AVfT


This. I can't tell you how awful some of the writing is that I get from my superiors, who actually HAVE degrees in specialized fields. They'll send me memos and letters they've written so I can read them over and make them sound like human language instead of alien lingo. And I'm not talking technical terminology; I'm just talking basic grammar, sentence structure, spelling...

It's pretty bad.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (4df7R)

119 Oh, and believe it or not, before I drank myself into the Army, I was an English major with a minor in Theatre.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (lBRx+)

120 What two original colonies colleges are not now part of the Ivy League?

In Polish.

Posted by: Comrade Pickles, loyal Party Cat at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (vlC9n)

121 Not so, ATL is cheap compared to other "metro daily" cities. Plus we all teh gheys on the down-low

Posted by: simpleton at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (i3pKT)

Not not so, is so. I have lived in other cities and Atlanta suburbs is high. Especially housing.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (YdQQY)

122 >>I'm a creative manager in a big, evil drug company

Brilliant. And again, it underscores the point made several places above that you don't necessarily go into the narrow field that your degree is in.

Quite a few of my freelance clients would surely be considered evil, but they pay well and I sleep like a baby at night.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (96M6e)

123 Cliff Clavin trivia time: What two original colonies colleges are not now part of the Ivy League?



Bowdoin and Tufts?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (z9HTb)

124 Making fun of/cutting shit to the obamaphone lady is a winning fucking argument.

Umm, dude, didn't you hear? You CAN'T make fun of the Obamaphone lady.

Still, the Republicans are all afraid of the deal they made, and they have telegraphed the shit out of it. So what are they going to do? Walk right into the damn propeller.

If they were watching, the Dems are scared of the damn thing, too. Say, look, we need to cut, we have a built in plan we agreed to right here, let's go with that unless you have something better, which we won't vote against.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 03:06 PM (7vSU0)

125 Mohammed, thanks for the correction. As an upside, when you add up all the names since the muslims can't agree ona spelling, you're the number 1 boys name in all of the British Empire. FUCKING AWESOME.

I like your attitude infidel. I will eat you last!

Posted by: Muhammed at November 29, 2012 03:06 PM (NF2Bf)

126 "It has always been a shit paper. "

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (YdQQY)

It's in good company...with every other big city paper in the country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:06 PM (GsoHv)

127 [i Oh, and believe it or not, before I drank myself into the Army, I was an English major with a minor in Theatre.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (lBRx+)

Does your husband know?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 03:07 PM (7vSU0)

128 Oh and darn you pixy for good measure!

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 03:07 PM (7vSU0)

129
Could someone post the list? I hate having to click through 74 screens just to see a list like this. Yeah, I know, they want more hits, but fuck them.

Thanks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (4u2LN)

130 Oh, and believe it or not, before I drank myself into the Army, I was an English major with a minor in Theatre.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:05 PM (lBRx+)


I now have a terrible mental image of EoJ prancing around onstage dressed like Little Lord Fauntleroy while doing a monologue from "A Midsummer Night's Dream."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (4df7R)

131 "Sociology and education and fine arts and psychology are also on the list."

The ones who try to earn a living with a bachelor's degree in education are missing the boat. The thing to do is to go immediately to grad school and pick up a master's or, better yet, a Ph.D, in education.

That opens the door for the coveted administrator slots in the public schools. Those people trouser amazingly high salaries, benefits and pensions. And they retire young. Despite actually accomplishing fuck-all.

Back in the run-up to the election, when the polls showed it was going to be close, there was a piece in our cheap fishwrap the _San Francisco Chronicle_ talking about how nervous some local liberals were about the election.

The Obama liberal they quoted most prominently is retired. She lives in a luxury pad in San Francisco, the second most expensive metro real estate market in the entire country. She was so nervous about Obama possibly not getting re-elected that she found it hard to work out in her home gym.

So what did this person do while she was working? And how many years did she have to put in to earn that seriously gold-plated pension that has her retired on Easy Street today?

She was an "educational administrator". And is fully retired at at age 60.

You read that right. In fact, she's 60 now, and retired now. She very well may have retired earlier than that. As early as age 55. On a hugely generous public pension that will pay out steadily every year from now on. Guaranteed by the taxpayers.

Wonder why liberals like the public school system? It works out great for them!

Here's the article, for those who are interested. If you're an ordinary private sector working Joe or Jane, you may want to skip it. It'll turn your stomach.

http://tinyurl.com/cdb4qfc

Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (ymG7s)

132 The methodology of this article is terrible. Clearly the author has some sort of liberal arts degree instead of an actual math-related degree.
When you divide lifetime earnings by cost, you don't get a "percentage". You get a multiple. Someone with a fine arts degree from a private university can expect to earn 22x what it cost her to acquire the degree over 30 years. If it was really a 22% RoI, that would be terrible.
A better metric would be to determine average non-degree earnings over 34 years subtract it from degree'd earnings over 30 (you lose 4 years of salary going to school), divide the difference by cost, and finally multiply by 100 to get a percentage.
That doesn't even give you a real estimate. A lot of degrees can be paid off for far less than their cost if you work in a crappy government job for 10 years.

Posted by: egd at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (XVGEg)

133 37 --- " Somewhere I read that the best journalists didn't go to J-school, but were history and poli sci majors."
Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 02:47 PM (LMPgk)

Compare Brit Hume to Katie Couric, both of them UVA graduates. Hume got his degree in English --- back when you actually had to read Milton and Pope and Melville, not today when you get to choose "relevant" texts. Couric got her degree in communications.
Even some of my lefty friends see the difference.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (C8mVl)

134
I got a pretty useless degree. But it was from a top school and I got good grades. Then I got a job with an investment bank. That's the key. Doesn't matter what the major is. What matters is the quality of school and the grades. Getting a degree in African American 19th Century Poetry from No Name State U with a 2.5 GPA is a ticket straight to Baristaville. Getting the same degree and a 3.5 GPA from a top 20 school is a ticket to a solid upper middle class career.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:44 PM (HDgX3)

I made myself miserable busting my ass getting atechnical degree from a "top school" and ended up with a not-so-amazing GPA. Made an asshole out of myself taking graduate level classes as an undergrad, thinking someone would care. Then I spent a decade in more misery trying to work in a field I hated and trying to prove to everyone I was better than my GPA.
In retrospect, I should've done what you did, but I had too many naysayers and of course there was the conservative voice in my ear: "You'llnever make any money doing that."Trust me, there are alot of low-paying shitsciencejobs too with no job security. Or you can geton the revolvingpost-doctorate train where you're 34 and still making $36,000/year.
So yeah, I fuckinglove these posts.

Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (ThM2Q)

135 It's in good company...with every other big city paper in the country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:06 PM (GsoHv)


True, but they started that way 150 years ago.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)

136 Majored in playing the ax.

Minored in Dreamboat 101.

Posted by: jimirayray at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (fWAjv)

137
This isn't the first time that we've had a 'glut' of too many college degrees, with not enough jobs to go around...

The student deferrments from the draftduring the VietNam War, led to a lot of people getting college degrees, that otherwise probably wouldn't have gone to college.
A lot of those degrees were in psychology and law.

So we had too many lawyers...making up new things to sue people over.
And too many psychologists...making upnew psychological ailments to be treated for.

These were the 'by-products' of having too many people with law degrees and psychology degrees.

I wonder what the by-products of having a glut in all these new worthless degrees will be.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (CM59X)

138 acutally, I think thebeauty of teh blue state economic handout model is that every one gets to do what they want, you have obamaphoneladies and DayWorkerDelights and WhitePeopleTooImportantToWork.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (3zQJl)

139 You can see the makings of a life of bitterness and resentment, as
people naturally begin believing in government solutions to artificially
increase their earnings.
_______________________________

Yes, but also that people who make a lot more money than them without the book learning and credentials and by the bourgeois means are somehow "cheating" and need to be taken down a peg, or at least 4.6%

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (mg08E)

140 Could someone post the list? I hate having to click through 74 screens
just to see a list like this. Yeah, I know, they want more hits, but
fuck them.


I was foiled by this unbearable agony as well.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (KXm42)

141 Oh and darn you pixy for good measure!


Hey, now. That barrel isn't going to occupy itself. We need "volunteers"

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (z9HTb)

142 A double major in Womyns studies and Poli sci. What could go wrong?


Poli Sci is the typical pre-law degree so it doesn't necessarily mean you'll wind up living under a bridge. It's mostly squishy bullshit but "NO MATH" was a big part of its allure for me, at least. Also, I did freelance womyn's studies as an undergrad, mostly at night. I can't say it was a total waste either.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 29, 2012 03:09 PM (QKKT0)

143 My profession is on that list and their salary number is pretty low. Lower than what I made in the worst year of doing this. Maybe half of most years.

And my kid's elementary school teacher from a couple of years ago was raking in over $92,000. Public school. She'd been there a long time but still. $92,000 to teach second grade? The kids already know their colors, alphabet and numbers. Go figure.

Posted by: Dang at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (R18D0)

144 Welders might make good money, but their career paths are usually limited.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:00 PM (GsoHv)


------------------------------------------------


Not true. There's all sorts of opportunities for for anyone with a skill set. It opens the door to owning one's own business and then expanding. Ask any of the machinist or welding/repair enterprises that service the nation's oil patch.

If one has a marketable skill, the market will respond.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (oy/E2)

145 Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 03:07 PM (7vSU0)

With a major like that there may be two husbands in the EOJ family.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GsoHv)

146 back when you actually had to read Milton

Don't write this down, but I find Milton probably as boring as you find Milton. Mrs. Milton found him boring too. He's a little bit long-winded, he doesn't translate very well into our generation, and his jokes are terrible.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (96M6e)

147 >Biden Goes to COSTCO after Executives Cozy Up to White House<

Apparently the COSTCO people are big Obama supporters.

I just had my wife cut up the card and call them to cancel membership.

They can ask Obama for money if they like him so much.

Posted by: marcus at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GGCsk)

148 There are two accredited universities in the US that offer a Bachelor of Science degree -- in English. Who wants to guess?

Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (qaVK+)

149 LOL!

My oldest stepson got his degree in Cultural Anthropology. What a fucking waste of his (our) time and his (our) money!

The next oldest stepson is set to graduate with a 4 year degree in Sustainable Development. You can read between the lines, exactly what kind of school he went to.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GQ8sn)

150 I was taught by Orthodox Jews at University.

Those motherfuckers didn't play around you learn or they kick you the fuck out of their class.

Having Prof. Lebowitz and Prof. Karane as my teachers were one the best things to have happened to me.

B.S in Comp Sci. and Math.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (RrD4h)

151 Big metro dailies can go jump a cliff. Newspapers will survive as small town weeklies. There will always be a beaming parent who buys 50 copies with their kid's little league picture on the front page.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (LMPgk)

152 My dad doubled majored in PoliSci and Philosophy. Ended up doing insurance work for large multinational companies. So, you never know for sure.

Posted by: Big T Party at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (NtL+o)

153 True, but they started that way 150 years ago.


Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:08 PM (YdQQY)The vanguard of the new media!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GsoHv)

154 Re: ObamaPhoneLady.

Of course we should have made fun of her. We'd have won and the left would have their favorite consolation prize: the scapegoat...ie, Willie Horton or Swift Boat Vets.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 03:11 PM (3zQJl)

155 ACE!

Please...please...please fix the blog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:11 PM (GsoHv)

156 anyone who is surprised majoring in one of those majors is not a ticket to ride on the gravy train is overpaid. social work as a major - heh - every social work major I have ever met is a single mother half of them are serving coffee.

single welfare moms going to school on the taxpayer dime and welfare to be social workers is like ace becoming a porn addiction counselor.

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:11 PM (Z9EHQ)

157 Costco is the go-to big box store for progtards, has been for a decade.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (B/VB5)

158 Don't write this down, but I find Milton probably as
boring as you find Milton. Mrs. Milton found him boring too. He's a
little bit long-winded, he doesn't translate very well into our
generation, and his jokes are terrible.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (96M6e)


Can I buy some pot from you?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (QKKT0)

159 Poli Sci is the typical pre-law degree so it doesn't necessarily mean you'll wind up living under a bridge.

---

That would be the anthropology degree.

I need to scan the MAD Magazine I have somewhere on how government fucks everything up.

The "before" is an article on government loans for college tuition to better educate the workforce, which is seen as a small down-payment for larger benefits to society.

The "after" is an article about a bailout bill to help thousands of chronically unemployed anthropologists educated under the previously mentioned student loan bill, with a picture of a hobo holding up a sign reading "Hear about pygmy rituals - $0.15".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (e0xKF)

160 well, once obama's 2nd term ground breaking economic strategy of 100,000 teachers gets through congress, the laughs will be on us.oh wait, he hasn't actually done any work on this stupid stupid idea?
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:54 PM (3zQJl)

I'm betting he got his 100,000 new teachers easy (if you count all the new homeschool parents who never thought they'd do such a thing).

Posted by: Polliwogette, still a Hobbit at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (NYki8)

161 My dad doubled majored in PoliSci and Philosophy. Ended up doing insurance work for large multinational companies. So, you never know for sure.
Posted by: Big T Party at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (NtL+o)

you would be surprised how frequently philosophy majors wind up in finance.

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (Z9EHQ)

162 Meh.

Most of those are fields you get into because you have an interest in them, not because you think they'll make you wealthy.

Pointless list.

Posted by: Sgt. York at November 29, 2012 03:12 PM (dxSN9)

163 Try not to drool so much, Cicero.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (96M6e)

164 BTW, majoring in Ceramics is a fast train to an early grave.

Posted by: Fawn Liebowitz at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (QKKT0)

165 ATC, well hopefully you're cute enough to land a hubby, eh?


Bannion, we still have that naplam handy? I need all of it, s'il vous plait.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (VtjlW)

166 The showed one kid who had just bought a new car and had taken welding courses in High School. Immediately employed after school and earning good money.

A bunch of years ago, when my son graduated high school, there was an awards banquet and I met two of his friends who also won $tuff. Scary smart. All three of them then went to mid to top notch engineering schools. I've asked about them in the years since and one went off to work for NASA as part of the Mars rover stuff in some capacity, the other opened up a machine shop/welding operation. My son went to large-scale enterprise programming. They all make almost the same amount of money.

But I'd bet that you made more money then them back in your day. The days of 'a rising tide lifting all ships' are a sad remnant of the past.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (feFL6)

167 You two fuckers are lucky no one is paying me to break your thumbs.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (lBRx+)

168 Houses are much cheaper now in Atlanta. Mine lost 66% of its value! You want it?

Posted by: simpleton at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (i3pKT)

169 I just had a friend of mine ask me if I wanted to go check out the window displays in the downtown stores in Iowa City tomorrow after work. The link she sent me described all the festive "Holiday Season" window displays that would be on display. I wrote back and said I couldn't because I was going to the mall to shop for Holiday Season presents.

She didn't even get the dig at the political correctness idiocy.

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (QW+AD)

170 AtC:

You must be a crazy cocktail of fucking background of a broad. And stompy boots are better, and more correctly, known as, fuck me boots.

Golan:

I would have run that bitch on every outlet I could have. again and again and again. Crazy welfare bitch getting paid by the unions to "protest". tie these fucks together.

Mohammed:

I will welcome you in the megachurch I build in Mecca. hahahahaha.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (tVTLU)

171 Cant teach high school with a degree in edcuation, at least not here in Calif. Need to be a specific degree. History, English etc

Posted by: Thorisin at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (xMq47)

172
PhD is Health Care Ethics Baby!
Projected ROI: 0% (Although much of that is tilted by the fact that I've burned my bridges in this town to nothing but ash, and my wife likes her job and refuses to move.)
Granted much of it is based on the college education bubble, but not all of it. Hosptials need someone to Cover their asses and justify decisions with psuedo-logic, which I'm pretty good at.

Posted by: tsrblke at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (GaqMa)

173 There are two accredited universities in the US that offer a Bachelor of Science degree -- in English. Who wants to guess?

USMA and USNA?

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (7vSU0)

174 The next oldest stepson is set to graduate with a 4 year degree in
Sustainable Development. You can read between the lines, exactly what
kind of school he went to.


Living in your basement until he's 40 isn't sustainable?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (SY2Kh)

175 82, go to yahoo grp for pics...

Posted by: D. Hopper at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (AVfT8)

176 Makes my degree in shining shit and close order drill manual almost seem worth it.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (46qC3)

177 "If one has a marketable skill, the market will respond. "

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (oy/E2)

I agree, but a welder who goes on to management or business creation isn't marketing his skills as a welder, he is marketing himself.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:14 PM (GsoHv)

178 >>>151 Big metro dailies can go jump a cliff. Newspapers will survive as small town weeklies. There will always be a beaming parent who buys 50 copies with their kid's little league picture on the front page.
Posted by: Dr. Varno

When that census taker killed himself in Kentucky, I followed it on the internet by reading the small local papers. They would print direct quotes which were then taken by the MSM, quotes removed, and paraphrased changing the meaning to the opposite of what was said.

Never trust any news service that reports so and so said. It should always be in quotes.

MSM bastards!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (TYO2p)

179 one of my majors was in polisci and let me say I am perfectly comfortable breaking polisci up and dividing its carcas between history, philosophy, and an old statistics professor with a tickle me elmo doll in the faculty lounge.

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (Z9EHQ)

180 The ones who try to earn a living with a bachelor's degree in education
are missing the boat. The thing to do is to go immediately to grad
school and pick up a master's or, better yet, a Ph.D, in education.


That's not necessarily true in all states. In Oregon I understand you need a Masters degree. In California they actually look down on it because it will cost them more money to hire you. But you are right that many go into education just to become administrators, most of them are terrible teachers. We are having a boom in special ed degrees, the amount of kids they are listing into special resources is astounding.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (NzBQO)

181 Please...please...please fix the blog.


During The Starving Time we will reminisce over the good old days when we had tags we could shape with just a few keystrokes.

Posted by: fluffy, ray of fucking sunshine at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (z9HTb)

182 When I left CA I swore I would never live in a city again and I haven't.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (YdQQY)

183 ace becoming a porn addiction counselor.
Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:11 PM (Z9EHQ)



Let's be fair, I can think of no group better than the Horde in providing advice on how to become addicted to porn.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (VtjlW)

184 I had one Sociology course in college. We spent a lot of time discussing a book called "The Higher Circles" which was basically about how rich people just naturally work together to keep the non-rich from moving up into "the higher circles" of society.

Posted by: OCBill at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (rFipM)

185 Kind of a b.s (no pun intended) article. Nobody going into a lot of these fields stops at a bachelor's degree if they want to advance.

It would be like saying becoming a blogger is a dead end job because the average blog only has a few dozen readers per day.

You have to get your doctoral degree in Smart Military Bloggediness before you start raking in the big bucks.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (TOk1P)

186 I've offended the Aiden's and the Jayden's. But not the Siri's?
Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (Tlix5
Is Aiden included in the non-manly names? I ask because it is the name of a Celtic king, who gave his name to the capital of modern Scotland, Edinbourgh("Aiden's Burh.")

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (iK4hL)

187 146 back when you actually had to read Milton
Don't write this down, but I find Milton probably as boring as you find Milton. Mrs. Milton found him boring too. He's a little bit long-winded, he doesn't translate very well into our generation, and his jokes are terrible.
Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (96M6e)
_____

True, on the whole. However, "Comus" is an astonishingly beautiful poem, and clearly had a strong influence on the Romantic poets

Posted by: Cricket at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (DrC22)

188 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (lBRx+)

Sorry sister, but you can't mime being tough.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (GsoHv)

189 Oh, and believe it or not, before I drank myself into the Army, I was an English major with a minor in Theatre

I always figured you for a Rollerblading major with maybe a minor in Prostate Massage. The important thing is that you got an education.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (+lsX1)

190 Not that it is important, but you see a lot of Athletes in profiles who major in communication, affirmative action recipients.
I am surprised the list did not include Social Justice, Ecological Justice. etc ...

Posted by: Clemenza at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (3GuQx)

191 Oh, with regard to the graduate programs in education that I mentioned, the ones that line you up for life as a public school administrator, there's an article I recall but can't find at the moment.

Someone who actually holds a master's degree in a rigorous field then signed up for a master's degree program in education as a lark. She reported that the program was just dismayingly simplistic and dumbed-down from the get-go. Unbelievably so.

The best part of which was apparently experiencing the "presentations" put together by her fellow students, future school principals and school district managers all.

You don't have to actually write papers or theses in education grad school, it seems. Just lash up the occasional PowerPoint presentation. Spelling and grammar and syntax are apparently completely optional. Actual pedagogical ideas? Not required either.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (ymG7s)

192 Somewhere I read that the best journalists didn't go to J-school, but were history and poli sci majors.

That is correct. The emergence of J-schools in the late 70s were ruinous. The few college graduates in the business before then typically had much more rounded educations, and a much more realistic view of the real world. I speak to this from direct knowledge. Now what you get are people who see themselves as world-changers and advocates, not gatherers or fact. Add to that the traditionally low salaries and you have newsrooms that are dominated by frustrated leftists. Oh, and add to THAT the fact that you're often covering people who are much more successfully financially, and you have a bunch of aggrieved, jealous people who really do want to rip down the world...so long as they personally survive.

Unfortunately for them, the very institutions that pay their salaries are sinking very, very fast.

Posted by: watchtheface at November 29, 2012 03:17 PM (ROdby)

193 By the time I graduated from high school, my two older brothers were in college (engineering/accounting) so there wasn't any money left to send me.

Went into manufacturing, first broke 100K/yr in 1985 and had my best year in 2008 (780K). However, due to an inability to live within my means I'm still 1.2 million in debt.

Maybe I'll enroll for a course in budgeting.

Posted by: jwest at November 29, 2012 03:17 PM (ZDsRL)

194 Let's be fair, I can think of no group better than the Horde in providing advice on how to become addicted to porn.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 29, 2012 03:15 PM (VtjlW)

I have always assumed nearly everyone here was dropping by to reload.

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:17 PM (Z9EHQ)

195 Actually, the life of bitterness and resentment could have their beginnings when you work your rear off at things you don't enjoy, bring superior things to the table, and only get mockery in return.

Could.

Posted by: U.Y. at November 29, 2012 03:17 PM (Y0dLt)

196 Many of my friends who had degrees in psy, soc, comm, ended up in jobs that had no relation to that field. My roommate studied family counseling is now in real estate. But many others are now draining their parents bank accounts by doing useless shit.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 29, 2012 03:17 PM (NzBQO)

197 Living in your basement until he's 40 isn't sustainable?

We kicked the Cul Anth. graduate out earlier this summer. The Sus. Dev. graduates next summer and will be charged rent while he lives at our house. We will not make things comfy and cozy while he idles at our house after school. If he wants to go to graduate school, he better take out a loan or find a second job. We're not co-signing fucking anything.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:18 PM (GQ8sn)

198 I think what a lot of our stories say is this: "If you're willing to work hard and do the work right, you'd be surprised where you'll find yourself working ten years from now."

That's the problem, though. So many of the latest college grads aren't willing to work hard unless what they're working on makes them feel "enriched" and "wanted." You know what makes me feel wanted? Someone coming to my door and saying, "Melissa, could you come help me with this? I have no idea how to answer this question." What DOESN'T make me feel wanted? Sitting at home with no direction and a bellyful of acrimony because I can't find a job in my "chosen field." I was never a fan of filing, but if doing the filing for a colleague got me a little good grace and thus the chance to do something more advanced, like taking classified ad calls, then I'd do it.

Why did I pick communication as a major? Because it was enough like English to be interesting, but sounds more technical on a resume. Full stop. And you know what? It worked. I got my foot in the door and onward and upward.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 03:18 PM (4df7R)

199 I agree, but a welder who goes on to management or business creation isn't marketing his skills as a welder, he is marketing himself.

So are most people with 4 year degrees who go on to same. And modern corporate America's obsession with "career path" meaning "everyone becomes middle management" is insane.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 29, 2012 03:18 PM (B/VB5)

200 window shopping in Iowa City? Do John Deere and International Harvester do window displays?

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:19 PM (Z9EHQ)

201 I had one Sociology course in college. We spent a
lot of time discussing a book called "The Higher Circles" which was
basically about how rich people just naturally work together to keep the
non-rich from moving up into "the higher circles" of society.

Posted by: OCBill

Love that book.

Posted by: An higher-circle member with his loafer on the throat of a poor person who doesn't belong here at November 29, 2012 03:19 PM (R18D0)

202 >>True, on the whole. However, "Comus" is an astonishingly beautiful poem, and clearly had a strong influence on the Romantic poets

Animal House reference, Cricket -- Donald Sutherland as the dope-smokin' prof who beds Katie.

For the record, I read Milton and the whole shebang as an English major back in the '80s. Milton wasn't bad, but Spenser sucked something awful. Having a cute TA with big tits was the only joy I had during "The Fairie Queen."

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:20 PM (96M6e)

203
Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 03:16 PM (ymG7s)

I have to take classes in our school's "Masters in Health Administration" and "Public health" divisions.
The former is like a dumbed down version of business school (seriously) with idiots parroting talking points that don't even make sense (then when I produce data they scream "BURN THE MATH WITCH!")

The latter is...well..public health. It was great in the early 1900s when it focused on things like clean water and sewer systems. But once they got that solved they decided everything under the sun is "public"

Posted by: tsrblke at November 29, 2012 03:20 PM (GaqMa)

204 We're not co-signing fucking anything.

Not trying to nose into your busines but since you brought it up why did you pay for these degrees in the first place?

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 03:21 PM (KXm42)

205 The next oldest stepson is set to graduate with a 4 year degree in Sustainable Development. You can read between the lines, exactly what kind of school he went to.
Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:10 PM (GQ8sn)


--------------------------------------------


Buy him Glenn Beck's book "Agenda 21". "Sustainable Developement" IS the UN's Agenda 21. Please inform him of this. It's important.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 03:21 PM (oy/E2)

206 I actually had two sociology profs in college who I would consider conservative or at least moderate. One was a Chinese prof who loved America, I was absolutely flabbergasted. I had no clue how those classes were supposed to help me in the real world, luckily I was able to get a real degree at my christian liberal arts college. It would have been the biggest waste of money ever if I hadn't had an athletic scholarship.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 29, 2012 03:23 PM (NzBQO)

207 If I had to go back in time and re-do 16 through 18 again, trying to decide what to do with my life, I'd pick CNC machining specialist.

Have you see what these guys can do?!?!

These fuckers can make shit. I mean, if you can think it up and draw it, a CNC machinist is able to make it a reality. And they get paid!!!!

I would love to have my own shop and produce a quality product line-up such as the ones from Lewis Machine Tool and LaRue Tactical.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:23 PM (GQ8sn)

208 Posted by: tsrblke at November 29, 2012 03:20 PM (GaqMa)

Yup.

And let's face it, Public Health is easy.

1. Keep your dick out of other guy's asses.
2. get a flu shot.
3. Wear a safety belt.
4. Don't smoke.
5. Don't take drugs.

There....I'm done. I'm going out for a beer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:23 PM (GsoHv)

209
170 AtC:

You must be a crazy cocktail of fucking background of a broad. And stompy boots are better, and more correctly, known as, fuck me boots.


Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 03:13 PM (tVTLU)

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You have blasphemed our queen...and stompy boots...in the same comment.

I would not give one silver dime for your chances of survival, as you will be sleeping outside in the cold with no blanket, in the upcoming Alextopia.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 03:24 PM (CM59X)

210 Seven years of college down the drain!

Posted by: Senator John Blutarsky at November 29, 2012 03:24 PM (wIgpo)

211 Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:23 PM (GQ8sn)

They get paid to play with some pretty fucking cool toys.

Bastards.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:24 PM (GsoHv)

212 200 window shopping in Iowa City? Do John Deere and International Harvester do window displays?

Posted by: yankefifth at November 29, 2012 03:19 PM (Z9EHQ)


Don't forget about Farmall and Case. Nah, this is a liberal cesspool of a college town. It has all the cool, hip shops that most college towns have.

It's not easy being conservative here, but someone has to be.

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 03:26 PM (QW+AD)

213 I worked my way up tosix figures in 2000 with a marketing degree earned in 1983. Company closed their office and I had to start overand I am just now approaching my 2000 salary. Only took 12 years. Unfortunately, this company is in Receiveship and I will likely have to start over again. Such is life.
At least my budgeting skills are a bit better than jwest.Dude regardless of what they say, its not the guy with the most toys when he dies that wins.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 03:26 PM (m2CN7)

214 >>And let's face it, Public Health is easy.

One of my libtard FB friends was decrying the lack of HIV awareness among teens yesterday, saying that we need to spend more money.

I politely gave her both barrels. For chrissakes, I was an adolescent when AIDS first hit, and immediately there was more "education" about it than I care to remember. My kids started hearing about it in middle school. It comes down to teenagers and young adults thinking "it's not going to happen to me." Full stop.

And your list is perfect.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:27 PM (96M6e)

215
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 03:23 PM (GsoHv)

In all seriousness, the original conception of Public health in the early 1900s that focused on city planning and development of access to things like clean water is likely responsible for most of the gains in logevity we've seen over the last century.
And even to the extent that they focused on certain aspects of what you could do with private land (i.e. checks on Septic tank location, Well purity checks, etc.) They did fair good.
But, like all groups with power, they couldn't let it go once they had solved the problems (and I do mean solved. What was the last case of dysentary in any part of the US with a population greater than 10?)
It's kinda like the March of Dimes, that started as an anti-poli campaign. When polio became nonexistent they went "Crap! We're screwed" and became an advocacy group for preventing "premature babies" which I put in quotes because they specifically define that contrary to nature to ensure it never ever ever goes way.

Posted by: tsrblke at November 29, 2012 03:28 PM (GaqMa)

216 I agree, but a welder who goes on to management or business creation isn't marketing his skills as a welder, he is marketing himself.


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I wholeheartedly disagree. How does one build a business that requires a skill without first building a good reputation. Most of the welders that I know that have companies of their own still go out into the field and ply their trade.

Trade skills aren't like opening up a clothing store. It's just not how these people operate. They not only have to keep their own skills sharp, but must be able to instruct his employees to achieve the same level of quality. It's a hands-on enviroment, whether your an owner or hired worker.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 03:28 PM (oy/E2)

217 Not trying to nose into your busines but since you brought it up why did you pay for these degrees in the first place?

My wife and I paid 1/3 of the total. Another third was from his biological father. The last third was from himself. This, he owns a stake in doing well and graduating on time.

We set very strict conditions on the money:

1. Your third of the tuition when the statement comes, or we don't pay ours.

2. Dropping out, leave of absence = forfeiture of all future support, meaning their eventual return to school would be all on them.

3. 4 years of support, not a single day more.

4. Grad school is entirely their responsibility.


So far, it's worked out. They busted their asses coming up with their share of the tuition and they carefully considered what to major in since they were paying for some of it. What I encouraged them to find was some kind of valuable skill that would pay. Something difficult, and not easily done that would be in demand. Any kind of hard science or engineering.

Well, we'll see how farming works out for him.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:28 PM (GQ8sn)

218 208 -

I would get a flu shot, but I hate all the idiots in public health telling me I need to get a flu shot.

As with most years, I'll either not get the flu this year, or I'll get a mild form of it, and proceed to sneeze all over the people who got their flu shots, who will get deathly ill, because their immune systems aren't properly prepared for it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 03:28 PM (TOk1P)

219 "The Sus. Dev. graduates next summer and will be charged rent while he
lives at our house. We will not make things comfy and cozy while he
idles at our house after school. If he wants to go to graduate school,
he better take out a loan or find a second job. We're not co-signing
fucking anything."

Saw this happen.

A not very well tuned in mom sits down and obediently signs what is described to her as "some basic enrollment paperwork" when her kid goes off to college.

Kid graduates with expensive, useless degree. Can't find work. Mom is then surprised when the collection agencies show up at her own door, in a bad mood.

Turns out that Mom didn't understand the concept of "co-signatory".

And Mom didn't understand that student loan debt is not dischargeable even in bankruptcy and will hound you to the grave and beyond.

And Mom didn't understand that she was going to lose her house over it.

She understands now!

Relations between Mom and the kid are reportedly "strained". I'll bet they are.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 03:29 PM (ymG7s)

220 Hmm. I've got just under 20 years of Fortune 100 IT experience, an AS in IT, and a BS in business. I am currently working on getting my teaching certification to get into the schools, teaching business/technology or the like. Which will be liberally - heh, heh - sprinkled with economics when I get in.

I'm not sure that it will technically be "worth" the cost of the degree, but I bet the 14 weeks of vacation and the knowledge I'm trying to subvert libtard indoctrination will be nice.

BTW - every manager or VP I've ever worked with has had poor grammar and spelling. It's ridiculous.

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at November 29, 2012 03:29 PM (CrJzY)

221 @173. BSc. in English. You are really close. It's USNA and USAFA.
You can major in a mixed literature and humanities core at West Point, though.

@200 You take that back, city slicker. For one thing as if you didn't know, IH no longer exists. The last tractor I saw with "International" on it was made in Turkey.
And if JD and IH had window displays, I'd be headed to Iowa City myself.
Nothing says Christmas like a new tractor, god damn it to hell. Nothing.

Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 03:31 PM (qaVK+)

222 214 -

The other problem these days is the fact that more and more people with HIV are dying of old age, and not AIDS.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 03:31 PM (TOk1P)

223 >>I would get a flu shot, but I hate all the idiots in public health telling me I need to get a flu shot.

We were in Canada the year of the big swine flu or avian flu scare, whatever it was, in 2009. My kids were the ONLY ones in the school who didn't get the shot, because I thought it was complete B.S., which it turned out to be. Of course, that reinforced us as Ugly Americans, heh.

Posted by: jakeman at November 29, 2012 03:32 PM (96M6e)

224
Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 03:28 PM (TOk1P)
You're science is busted, but we'll forgive you for that.
I don't get a flu shot mostly because herd immunity is impossible with the flu shot anyway, so my failure to participate does no harm to others (unlike say, opting out of a whooping cough shot.)
BUT, there are often shortages, and those shortages mean that I should just forego (since I'm a reasonably healthy 20-something) to leave shots for the people who actually benefit in spades (i.e. familes with young kids, hospital workers, the elderly.)
I hardly ever get the flu merely because I'm not in an evironment where it's prevelent (I have 0 kids, hang out with other 20 somethings that have 0 kids, etc.) However, I just moved to a department full of mothers with kids, so my odds my change (but they allow telecommuting so if someone even feels snifflish they just work from home.)

Posted by: tsrblke at November 29, 2012 03:32 PM (GaqMa)

225 Relations between Mom and the kid are reportedly "strained".

Ours applied for financial aid one year and the form we got back asked us every question in the universe short of "do you ever go ass to mouth?" I never saw such a document as complex as a FAFSA form. I've signed mortgages that were easier and lighter than that book.

I told my kids that there is a very hard limit to our support and that they must be able to find meaningful skills that will support them when we are gone. It won't be Xbox and chinese takeout forever on our watch.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 03:34 PM (GQ8sn)

226 @202 I kind of like Spenser. How can you go wrong with a novel-length poem with "prick" in the first line?

Posted by: comatus at November 29, 2012 03:37 PM (qaVK+)

227
AlextheChick-

Wow! Well, I had a double major of History and Social Science. I was 2 credit hours short of getting a Phys Edcertificate also. Started out wanting to go to law school, became a cop instead.

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 29, 2012 03:49 PM (boNGU)

228

Is there a 'Southern Ivy' list, similar to the 'Public Ivy'?

_______________

Duke is the Harvard of the South

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 03:51 PM (HDgX3)

229 Holy crap, I broke the blog!

Posted by: DaveinNC at November 29, 2012 04:06 PM (boNGU)

230 I majored in Ancient Animal Art History at a Sylvester Community College and it cost the government $160,000 total for my degree because of a minority schoolership. When I graduated I gots pregnant and now a single mother in Philadelphia. I thinks I did OK becauseI make $6.50 an hour at K-Mart. I thinks I got a good return for my educationion. I voted for Presdent Obama knowing that he will bring goods paying jobs to Pennsilvania afters the elction. Only thing I sees right now is jobs being cuts at K-Mart.,I guessI be taking some time for him to fix Bush's problems.

Posted by: LaQuisha Swartz from Philadelphia at November 29, 2012 04:09 PM (48wze)

231 @ 230 fail on the funny, go back to being Mary Cloggenstein, please.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 29, 2012 04:12 PM (YEelc)

232 "Doesn't matter what the major is. What matters is the quality of school and the grades."

The name is everything. People and employers generally pay for the name.

Posted by: ConservativeCrank at November 29, 2012 04:25 PM (LlEp9)

233 Time for the monthly major bashing...getting my MBA disabused me of the belief that engineers were smarter or more insightful than I, a mere psych/biology major.


Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 29, 2012 04:26 PM (Ec6wH)

234 "One of my libtard FB friends was decrying the lack of HIV awareness among teens yesterday, saying that we need to spend more money. "
My friends daughter said that the campus center at her college is doing free HIV testing. Many college kids don't even know that they are positive. Society usually picks up the medican costs. Hundreds of thousands in meds over the long term to treat.

Posted by: ConservativeCrank at November 29, 2012 04:27 PM (LlEp9)

235
Am I doing the math wrong here???
ROI = (Total Earnings - Cost of Degree)/Cost of Degree.
I'm getting whole numbers... for example 75.00 not percentages (like 75%).
Am I forgetting to divide by 100 (for no obvious reason), or is some stupid writer proving the point that they shouldn't be paid much to write a stupid article with stupid assumptions on 12 stupid pages?
Funny how none of the degrees are BS's.
I think the calculation should be done on an annualized basis anyway, add in the cost of NOT working the 4 years of school, and compare to a control group of NON-college educated people and their earning potential doing some of the same jobs.

Posted by: SnowSun at November 29, 2012 04:30 PM (UAUr6)

236 LOL, If I had to pay to total cost of my Communications degree again each year it pays for itself in the 2.5 months in today's dollars. It's all about the person and if there was any good takeaways from the classes.

Posted by: ForThemWhatCare at November 29, 2012 04:33 PM (lpShw)

237
Posted by: ForThemWhatCare at November 29, 2012 04:33 PM (lpShw)
You're proving my point...

Posted by: SnowSun at November 29, 2012 04:40 PM (UAUr6)

238 47
Stossel did a special report about unemployment and jobs that were going
begging last weekend. College people are the ones who can not find a
job.

______________

Unemployment for college grads is around 4.5%.
The real problem for recent grads is they won't take jobs beneath them. Every 22 year old expects his first job to pay $75K with a corner office. An entry level $30K cubicle job....pfffft no thanks, I'll move back in with mom and dad instead.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 04:52 PM (HDgX3)

239 220
Hmm. I've got just under 20 years of Fortune 100 IT experience, an AS in
IT, and a BS in business. I am currently working on getting my teaching
certification to get into the schools, teaching business/technology or
the like. Which will be liberally - heh, heh - sprinkled with economics
when I get in.



I'm not sure that it will technically be "worth" the cost of the
degree, but I bet the 14 weeks of vacation and the knowledge I'm trying
to subvert libtard indoctrination will be nice.

___________________________________________________

I'm sort of in the same boat. I've been thinking of going into teaching as well. The pay would be meh. But you have 3 months off when I could do some contract work and supplement the income nicely. To me the payoff as a teacher is on the back end...retire at 55 with a full pension and health benefits. Then you're still young enough to work another 10-15 years, essentially getting paid twice.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 05:01 PM (HDgX3)

240 OH! I've got one on there that is in the Communications field and sucks more than them all... Radio DJ/Host - last I remember from the Bureau of Labor Statistics the median pay is about 27K. That's what I got my degree in... Communications with an emphasis in Broadcasting. I'm working two jobs just to come close to the median and my wife started out making more than I did. She's been blessed with smarts and I decided to go to school for something I loved.

That was a BIG MISTAKE! Now, I'm trying to find a new job and a new way to redefine myself. Working in a feed store and at a radio station group ain't gonna pay the bills if my wife decides to quit her job so we can have kids. I've kicked myself in the head a lot over my wonderful life choices and now I've got to pull myself up by the bootstraps and get a new job.

Maybe fry cook would pay more than what I have with my degree. WHY O WHY did you post this on a day where only caffeine and my little pony can help me get out of my funk.

WHY!!?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: radioactive at November 29, 2012 05:04 PM (3cNlS)

241 What BULLSHIT!@!!
I am back at school at a major public Univ., and some of the degrees they offer are certainly more worthless by a factor of bazillions..
Multicultural Studies
Greek Classics (who the fuck wants that?)
French
Latin
"New College" filled with faculty from Peace Corps, Teach for America, etc.
The thing is, I am borrowing every $$ I can now to pay for school, knowing that when inflation hits in 4 or 5 years at about 25% per year, I can pay back with after-inflation dollars and my tuition will really only cost me about $6 per semester. Of course bread will be $4,500.000 per loaf.

Posted by: higg at November 29, 2012 05:42 PM (zLQ9q)

242 trust me, we noticed you BA's weren't that smart.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 05:43 PM (3zQJl)

243 By my count, 6 of these are what every pro athlete seems to havetheirdegree in, if they even have one.

Posted by: mrt721 at November 29, 2012 06:26 PM (aTlba)

244 From Peter Schiff: Is a college degree worth the cost? You decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg

Posted by: A Schiffer at November 29, 2012 06:51 PM (7agr1)

245 A vacuum is political science with the horseshit kicked out of it.

Posted by: Libra at November 29, 2012 07:28 PM (kd8U8)






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