Tax Hikes In Exchance For Obama's Promise to Cut Entitlements?

Ridiculous, of course.

Mitch McConnell has had a habit of justifying substantive caves for claims that he extracted some sort of concession that will prove to be a fruitful political issue.* I imagine any Republican even thinking about this deal expects Obama to break his promise -- in fact, the promise may not even be seriously offered. Republicans might even be just saying "You have to give us a fig leaf of cover."

So, the idea is that we just give Obama everything he wants substantively but we've extracted a promise from him, which he will then of course break, and so we "win" politically later by running against his broken promise.

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Not only would this plan be craven and dishonest itself (the plan to extract a promise you don't even believe will be honored as a "concession," and then act surprised it's being dishonored, is itself dishonest), but it has no chance of actually working in the first place.

1. Cuts are unpopular. Unpopular but necessary, of course, but unpopular. No one holds it against someone too much for breaking a promise to do something they didn't really want him to do in the first place.

2. Any "promise to cut" will involve some sort of later negotiations, and Obama can and will claim he intended to keep his promise, but Republicans once again sabotaged the "discussions."

Thus this whole idea is an attempt to avoid a major political confrontation which Obama would probably win... by setting up a later political confrontation which Obama also would probably win.

Let's not forget why we have the sequestration deal: We have it because Mitch McConnell decided it "wasn't the right time for a real political confrontation" and so put it off into the future. And now that that moment's here, surprise surprise, they're looking to concede, again and delay the actual confrontation until later, again.

And when that moment comes, what will they do?

If you can't fight now-- when the next elections are two years away -- when precisely would be a politically opportune time to fight?

Thanks to @benk84. This is from his headlines post.


* During the initial ObamaCare voting, when it was still in the Senate, Republicans had the opportunity to keep the Senate in session through the holidays and keep a filibuster against ObamaCare going. Instead, they agreed to hold a vote on ObamaCare -- and this was the vote that created ObamaCare -- and Mitch McConnell claimed he'd won an important political victory because Obama had agreed to hold a vote on the debt ceiling at some particular time that Mitch McConnell claimed would create maximum exposure on the issue and the maximum political problems for Obama.

Does anyone even remember that vote? It wasn't a big deal at the time, and we ended up losing on it too.

Plus, we got ObamaCare. Just so the Senators wouldn't have to stay at their jobs in DC over the holidays.

McConnell is forever justifying these major sell-outs by claiming he's so cleverly extracted a dynamite political concession that will wind up making the Democrats' victory a poison pill. It's either delusional or dishonest.

Posted by: Ace at 12:47 PM



Comments

1 I like being on top

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (0PiQ4)

2 Yup

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (0PiQ4)

3 Here me is

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (0PiQ4)

4 I took the top 4. This is gonna be a good day

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (0PiQ4)

5 Pull out of this now. Let this bastard and his goons own it all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (XkWWK)

6 Remember Obama's promise to Bart Stupak? How did that work out.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (C2Y4l)

7 Nooners?

Posted by: Tobacco Road, now in a serious funk at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (4Mv1T)

8 It's almost as if the republicans also want to more the country leftward, expand the size and power of the federal government, and enrich themselves.

Good thing I know better.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (uR7BD)

9 L, elle


I took 5 of 6 yesterday. Try, try again! :-)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (XkWWK)

10 Ace, please check your email from last night

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 12:51 PM (uR7BD)

11 L, elle





I took 5 of 6 yesterday. Try, try again! :-)


I could of done that. But I wanted to distribute the firsts!!!!! evenly

Posted by: Bruce at November 29, 2012 12:52 PM (qB0/v)

12 SCOAMF will not only destroy the economy, but he will succeed in destroying what's left of the GOP. It's actually destroying itself without any help from him.

We are fucked but good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2012 12:52 PM (XkWWK)

13 The Republicans should agree to let the tax cuts expire on "the rich" in exchange for Obama's list of cuts. Call his bluff.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (b+jI9)

14 After a certain point Charlie Brown you're habituated to Lucy pulling the football away and think that's how it's supposed to go.

Posted by: DaveA at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (Xefrb)

15 J.J. Shefton, you bitch! Thanks for raining on my parade. Sorry for calling you a bitch.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (0PiQ4)

16 Hey Boner how's my ass taste?

Posted by: Barry-O at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (MMC8r)

17 The GOP is only disintegrating as we know it. There will always be two and exactly two major parties because we have single-member districts and one person, one vote. That's the way the system sets up.

The GOP or its successor will always be around. It just won't be the party we remember.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 12:54 PM (uR7BD)

18 I'd start buying silver like crazy if it weren't now 5-6 times it's historical price. Crap. Story of my life. Buy high, sell low.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, now in a serious funk at November 29, 2012 12:54 PM (4Mv1T)

19 I won't pull the football away this time, Charlie Brown. You have my ironclad guarantee.

Posted by: Lucy at November 29, 2012 12:55 PM (Hx5uv)

20 Fiscal Cliff mood music. Link at my nic.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at November 29, 2012 12:55 PM (4136b)

21 If you can't fight now-- when the next elections are two years away -- when precisely would be a politically opportune time to fight?

For the Republican eunuchs in Congress, there is no "politically opportune time to fight." Not now, because they are trying to shore up their palships with their BFFs across the aisle. Not later, because ZOMG!!11!! There's an election coming up!!11!!

And, finally, there is no incentive from the Conservative Chattering Class to actually stand up for principles. Any effort to do so would be shot down by the squishy punditry on the grounds of "fairness" or "strategy" or similar lame shit. Blogger's Row doesn't want to upset the applecart, because they're still getting to nibble at the apples.

Why expect Bitch McConnell or Weepy Boner to change their ways now? They have theirs, and their sole goal is to keep the earmarks and cocktail party invites rollin' their way.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 29, 2012 12:55 PM (yKUrR)

22 I could be rich, I tell you, rich!

Posted by: White Flag Industries at November 29, 2012 12:55 PM (tQHzJ)

23 Ace, in McConnell's defense, he's an idiot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2012 12:56 PM (b+jI9)

24 Let is burn.
Give Obama and the Democrats what they wanted: sequestration. The whole idea of sequestration started with Obama's White House. Democrats lauded it.
So give it to them.
Give the wealthy who voted for Obama what they wanted - higher taxes.
Give the middle- and lower-class minorities and women who overwhelmingly voted for Obama want they wanted - higher taxes.
Maybe the electorate will so pissed off with higher taxes and a crappy economy that they will kick the Dems out of the Senate in 2014.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at November 29, 2012 12:56 PM (xvtYZ)

25 FINE

Let the taxes go up

Those suburbanites in PA and VA and OH and FL will convert to conservatism when their taxes go up.

Let it happen. Blame the dems. Run ads like a campaign laying the tax increase at the dems feet

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 12:57 PM (Dnbau)

26 And people wonder why I'm currently questioning my loyalty to the party...

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at November 29, 2012 12:57 PM (pEOD8)

27
Okay, Ace. But you left out the political consequences if you do it your way.


And what's your economic impact analysis if we give Obama nothing and allow taxes to go up and spending to be cut?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:57 PM (eG4bU)

28 It's either delusional or dishonest.

Posted by: Ace at 12:47 PM

Um, twofer .









Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (AWmfW)

29 Well, if we have to start a new party on the ashes of the GOP, at least we'll be out of the consent decree that prevents Republicans from monitoring elections in districts with large #s of non-whites.

I was not aware of the 1982 consent decree that basically prevents the RNC from doing anything to stop voter fraud in districts with a large non-white population. Those same districts where Obama wins 99% of the vote with 99% turnout.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (ZPrif)

30 Just give me Czechoslovakia and I won't ask for anything else.

Posted by: A certain Austrian Politician at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (Hx5uv)

31 Yup, it's worse than that. Our coalition as it ages loses the will to do the hard things necessary to push our vision of economic an social liberty. The boomers who could be counted on to show up and vote are angry as anyone about the coming changes to entitlement nation and are largely the ones who sat out lying to themselves about their desire for the hard choices.

Ogabe is overtly wrecking our coalition's younger members who desire reform and counting on the senior members of it to thwart the reforms necessary and hand executive power en perpetual to the Democrats' now overt socialist caucus.

I could split my head in half screaming about it.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (LRFds)

32 @ 20 - LOL! My all time fave game on TPIR.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:59 PM (XkQL7)

33 This isn't the hill to die on. Let's wait for a more death-friendly hill.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 29, 2012 12:59 PM (7OSWQ)

34 And they thought I was crazy for pointing out that the moon is conspiring with the stars to eat us.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (Hx5uv)

35 33 This isn't the hill to die on. Let's wait for a more death-friendly hill.



Can't we at least die on the beach?

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (b+jI9)

36 lets go off the cliff


when everybody's taxes skyrocket, there will be alot of foxhole conversions to conservatism

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (Dnbau)

37 This is the same too-cute-by-half Establishment BS that got Romney nominated and subsequently kept him from making incisive criticisms on Obama. Being able to point the finger back at Obama and be like, "see? He broke his promise!" is a nice little gotcha that might work on FOX, but 1) the rest of the media only cares about hypocrisy when it's a Republican (I thought we understood this after our "shellacking" this month), and 2) nobody cares about someone breaking a promise to do something they didn't want them to do in the first place.

Posted by: Jason at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (7L6l7)

38 Bitch McConnell and Boner are the two reasons why there is no hope other than laughing as it burns.

Posted by: Mr pink at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (JyTRJ)

39 Fuck this.

New Party.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (Y5I9o)

40

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

- B. Obama

Posted by: imp at November 29, 2012 01:02 PM (UaxA0)

41 IT'S ALL FUCKING HILLS TO THESE GUYS!


And we know how they feel about hills.


THE GOP IS A USELESS PILE OF JUNK



LIB

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 29, 2012 01:02 PM (RrD4h)

42 I promise I would do that thing that is currently in your mouth

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:03 PM (Dnbau)

43
Again, the position the Repubs need to take is the inversion of this: spending cuts this year, then , if realized, tax increase the next. Why not? Timmy can just borrow more money until the tax increase kicks in the following year. With interest rates near 0 it matters little. [PS: I am against all tax increases; just let rich libs put $ where mouth is and give in excess of their tax return.]

Posted by: jb at November 29, 2012 01:03 PM (pD1i2)

44 oops,

I mean I promise I will not do that thing which is currently in your mouth right now

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:04 PM (Dnbau)

45 New Party.
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (Y5I9o)

Agreed, Powdered whigs anyone?

Obama never had any intention of making any kind of a deal. The Bush tax cuts are gone and sequestration will gut the military, just like they wanted all along.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:04 PM (3Y7RV)

46
There's no need for whiz-bang economics... I trust the President to keep his word. He exudes an air of honesty.

Posted by: Mitt Romney, Fail Czar at November 29, 2012 01:04 PM (Ks4nX)

47
lets go off the cliff


---

This is not the cliff to die on.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:04 PM (Hx5uv)

48 @36 is that what happened in Britain? Or anywhere else?

There's zero evidence that will happen.

The Democrats, through mass immigration and voter fraud, have elected themselves a new electorate.

A Reagan/Thatcher turn is structurally impossible in 2012 America. Or 2016 America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

49 what is the cliff

you feed the tiger hoping it won't eat you last

but it will eat you

best to try and choke him

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (Dnbau)

50 Last thread, a bunch of us were saying precisely what this post brings home so painfully.



The Left eked out a necessary victory, and the Republicans lack the force of character and conviction to actually fight in a meaningful way.



We are past worrying about barely losing elections - we're in a red climate here.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (b8JJF)

51
Tax hikes for future cuts?
I've seen this movie. The bad guys win.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (WwR1j)

52 Time to start finding primary candidates to run against the entire republican leadership. EVERY LAST FUCKING ONE OF THEM!!!!

Why are they even talking to this asshat. Let him propose something. Let him bring up a budget. THEN PASS HIS FUCKING PILE OF SHIT!!!
Its bipartisan!

Posted by: Iblis at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (9221z)

53 I used to think liberals are stupid and have no concept of history. We laughed at Obama as community organizer. We thought we won big in 2010 with all our tea party victories when we won nothing. Our progressive president has been ten steps ahead of us the whole time. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:05 PM (0PiQ4)

54 it's nice to be ruled in a one party country.


not.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 01:06 PM (hX8cq)

55 PS didn't we trade the last debt ceiling hike (after a lot of Repub posturing and tough talk) for a up/down vote on Ocare repeal, plus 300million in cuts down the road? Oh wait, wasn't that the time before last...last time didn't the House just auto-raise it without even a whimper? That went well, didn't it? Or do I remember wrong?

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at November 29, 2012 01:06 PM (kUdlA)

56 If we can just get Mel Reynolds elected, all of these problems will just disappear.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:06 PM (Hx5uv)

57 34
And they thought I was crazy for pointing out that the moon is conspiring with the stars to eat us.


Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (Hx5uv)

Nuke it in orbit.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 29, 2012 01:06 PM (AWmfW)

58 It. Will. Burn. It does not matter what any of us think or do. Might as well enjoy the show. Socialism will be swift and painful, but the masses will have plenty of contraceptives and Obamaphones, so they'll be good to go. They'll vote for it again and again until the Dear Leaders take that away because it's no longer necessary. B. Franklin and the boys warned us. I suppose things hace lasted longer than they figured.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (fRI3h)

59 http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

Let him have it.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (tQHzJ)

60 wouldn't it be great if Romney came out of the lunch and torched the JEF in a press conference

he has nothing to lose

but he won't

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (Dnbau)

61 56 If we can just get Mel Reynolds elected, all of these problems will just disappear.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:06 PM (Hx5uv)

I was thinkin Mel Brooks or Mel Gibson, maybe Mel Tillis.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (3Y7RV)

62 This is not a representative democracy anymore, 49% of the people are not being represented, this is the tyranny of the majority.

Posted by: Cato at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (VYJ5B)

63 A choice here between dishonor and war. McConnell and his ilk are choosing dishonor and will get war anyway.

Posted by: RamonAllones at November 29, 2012 01:08 PM (3lLli)

64 Obama is playing pretend-to-throw-the-tennis-ball with the bitches.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:08 PM (Hx5uv)

65 how long until they use the word mandate?

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (Dnbau)

66 64 Obama is playing pretend-to-throw-the-tennis-ball with the bitches.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:08 PM (Hx5uv)
Yep, they chase, turn around with a confused look and wait for him to throw it again.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (3Y7RV)

67 Let's just nuke the moon already. What could happen?

Posted by: Fritz at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (/ZZCn)

68 Delusional or Dishonest? Republican or Democrat? When you have incompetent self serving people in office whats the difference?
If you have not taken to living like a mushroom and loving it,
you see a scorched 3rd world looming..

Posted by: Clemenza at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (Q8Pu5)

69
Fuck it. The House GOP needs to abstain, give the Democrats a quorum, and allow them to pass the tax hike on the "filthy rich" with only Democratvotes. It's a strategic retreat, not a surrender.
There is another recession coming and Obama knows it. He's looking for a goat because blaming Bush after "turning the corner" will not be credible. The MSM-DNC messaging machine begins with Lauer and ends with Leno - all day, every day. The only way to break through on who is responsible for this economy is to make the MSM-DNC blaming of the GOP utterly incredible.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (Nfpnr)

70 >>>>Time to start finding primary candidates to run against the entire republican leadership.

Nah, that would be a waste of time. The problems with the GOP are institutional. Let it burn. Stop voting. Prepare.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (J4gw3)

71 @64

THREAD WINNER

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (RrD4h)

72 Just what can Mitch McConnell do in the Senate? Filibuster? Isn't that roughly the same thing as what Boehner can do, broadly speaking,out of the House: basically obstruct?

And what does that get us? Sequestration and half (or more) of the blame for the resulting economic mess?

We lack the power to institute conservative policy prescriptions and can only obstruct Obama's agenda and his fall back is to just let sequestration happen. Where's the fucking upside here?

The only solution is tactical retreat: let Obama have his economy and get the fuck out of his way so we don't get tarred with the results. We can't stop him anyway.

Shorter me: let it burn.

Posted by: Fred at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (is2uy)

73 is this like the husband saying to the wife, ," I really have abhorred the way we've been fighting day after day and I don't want to lose you so here are the almost maxed out credit cards, enjoy?"


Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 01:09 PM (hX8cq)

74 Hey, would this be a good time to talk about my amnesty plan? No? OK, I'll come back later.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (Ks4nX)

75 Maybe if some of us could die on this hill, and some of us die on that hill over there, and some of us could die in between hills, you know, like to confuse and befuddle the enemy.

Posted by: General George S. Boehner at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (7OSWQ)

76 I like being on top Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (0PiQ4)

How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (sbV1u)

77
Fauxsis, this is.

If you don't know what to do, the best bet is do nothing.

Republicans should do nothing.

LiB.

Posted by: Sophistahick at November 29, 2012 01:11 PM (UhXzR)

78 there is no effective national leadership in the republican party. i've always bought the arguements against third parties but not so much anymore. they can't be this dumb. i think it is delibetate obsfucation because they don't disagree so much with what o is doing.

Posted by: mikez at November 29, 2012 01:11 PM (vmyXX)

79 If we can just get Mel Reynolds elected, all of these problems will just disappear.

You mean if we can just get Mal Reynolds elected...

Cap'n R, Negotiator:http://tinyurl.com/c6cxrh

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 01:11 PM (lOmbq)

80 74

nove 8th Boehner,

The speaker also revealed that comprehensive, bipartisan immigration
overhaul would be a top priority of his agenda during the 113th Congress

This issue has been around far too long," he said. "A comprehensive
approach is long overdue, and I'm confident that the president, myself,
others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and
for all."

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 01:11 PM (hX8cq)

81 Maybe if a few of us just get sick on this hill. I hear there's a nasty rhinovirus going around.

Posted by: General George S. Boehner at November 29, 2012 01:12 PM (7OSWQ)

82 81 Maybe if a few of us just get sick on this hill. I hear there's a nasty rhinovirus going around.
Posted by: General George S. Boehner at November 29, 2012 01:12 PM (7OSWQ)


I think you mean RINOVIRUS.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:12 PM (3Y7RV)

83 what's an exchance?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (GVxQo)

84 I've lost all faith in what passes for Conservatism these days. I'm deeply cynical and pessimistic about the future of the country. And some people tell me to stop bitching and do something. What?
Pulling back does not mean not doing what I can to protect myself. It does not mean adopting the attitudes of my enemy. It does mean working for the maximum amount of separation from my enemies that I can achieve.
Saying "Let It Burn" is really just acknowledging the obvious.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (BoE3Z)

85 83 what's an exchance?
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (GVxQo)

A chance you used to have.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (3Y7RV)

86 well, i've had enough....i'm going to go to work......later.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (GVxQo)

87
Fuck this.



New Party.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (Y5I9o)

----
Ha. Fuck THAT.
New Country. It's the only way.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (nELVU)

88 Why not have a press conf, say the JEF will not agree to any spending cuts and is demanding sequestration and tax hikes,

abstain from voting in protest

make them own it

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (Dnbau)

89 >>>Agreed, Powdered whigs anyone?

While the Whigs wore wigs, they were not named for them. The Whigs were named for a popular fellow who, for lack of a better analogy, was the 18th century's version of an insult comedian. He was a member of the party, and his name was Whigamore.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (I2LwF)

90 I want to go over the cliff- lets do this.
One of the reasons Obama won was because people had been cushioned against pain with 99 weeks and food stamps. He bought their compliance.
Lets see some payroll tax pain and rate pain....bring it on.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (R1aja)

91 4
I took the top 4. This is gonna be a good day


Didn't read the post, did you?

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (zoehZ)

92 It just boils down to the fact that our side sucks at politics and we need to elect a whole new crop of politicians that don't play games and do what's good for the fucking country.

The federal government is too big and it is by for the most inefficient thing the universe has ever seen.

Kick em all out. Blow it up and start over.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (UK9cE)

93 exchance = there's a slight chance you'll get something in return -- very chancy

exchange = you get something in return

Not sure if it's a typo in the heading or a neologism

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (feFL6)

94 This is the husband saying in exchange for a blowjob tonight, he promises to seriously discuss not calling his wife fat in front of her friends and family. Next week they'll sit down (promise!) and have a really good relationship talk. But right now there's the matter of his boner, which can't suck itself.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (ZPrif)

95 And Chocolate Jesus said unto them,
I am the food stamp of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he
that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Posted by: Fritz at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (/ZZCn)

96 Fire doesn't lie, ever.

Burn it down.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (FfbyM)

97 Vote "Present."
Makethe Dems own it.
Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Butch at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (0APJ3)

98 I've decided we should just go over the cliff. The only way to shift things back is for people to finally feel the pain of what they are voting for. The expiration of the Bush tax rates also means the bottom brackets go back up. The combination of the new Obamacare taxes, the payroll tax holiday expiration and the increased marginal rates on all income levels will be one hell of a wake up call to a generation of people who have been living under our current low tax regime. They feel they can get something for nothing because they have been getting something for nothing. Time for the past due notice to punch them in the throat.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (gkfSV)

99 lets go over this cliff

rip off the bandaid

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (Dnbau)

100
Ace you're hilarious. A day or so after excoriating conservatives forcalling outRINOs, you're calling out a RINO.
Irregardless, American voters deserve to get what they elected. So I say let Mitch give it to 'em, but good.

Posted by: Born Free at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (jnJcf)

101
Kick em all out. Blow it up and start over.


Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (UK9cE)

Where's the martians when you need them? Ack Dak...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (9+ccr)

102 And Chocolate Jesus said unto them,
I am the food stamp of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he
that believeth on me shall never thirst.
So share of my malt liqour and filet-o-fish.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (3Y7RV)

103 Saying "Let It Burn" is really just acknowledging the obvious. Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (BoE3Z)

Noting you have a problem is the first step in solving it. From that perspective, letting it burn is a good thing.

I for one, intend to remind every MFer who complains about some Obama policy that they asked for it.

"You don't like the fact you can't find a job and your unemployment just ran out? That can't be true. You MUST like it because you just VOTED for it."

I'm going to be saying that a lot the next 4 years.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (sbV1u)

104 I just hope this fiscal cliff doesn't interfere with the Hawaii vacation.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (fWAjv)

105
You will blow me now. I pinky promise a reach around next year.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (nELVU)

106 The only way to shift things back is for people to finally feel the pain of what they are voting for.

Nothing hurts like pain. Pain is honest.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (FfbyM)

107 1. Vote present.

2. Primary Mitch McConnell.

Posted by: thirteen28 at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (AbmsP)

108 "Exchance" = Freudian slip

Posted by: Gerry at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (xmffn)

109 This thread needs the Cliffhanger / Yodel Songfrom the Price is Right.
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDIRDt3eGRs
.
On autoplay.

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (OAbmF)

110 Ha. Fuck THAT.New Country. It's the only way.
Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:14 PM (nELVU)


You ain't creating a new country with the GOP. They are unwilling to say bad things in public about the president, let alone secede.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (FkKjr)

111 "McConnell is forever justifying these major sell-outs by claiming he's
so cleverly extracted a dynamite political concession that will wind up
making the Democrats' victory a poison pill."

===============

The man is a genius!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (znT2j)

112 Vote "Present."

Makethe Dems own it.

Let. It. Burn.

---

Either this or just don't show up and prevent a quorum.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (Hx5uv)

113 We're made of real human hair, so your scalp can get good breath.

Posted by: Lace Whig Party at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (Ks4nX)

114 Fire doesn't lie, ever. Burn it down.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:15 PM (FfbyM)

Oh, my, yes. That's the spirit. And we'll be here to catch you. We've been making "contingency" plans.

Posted by: Granny Piven & Her Organized Community Engineers at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (tQHzJ)

115 "Exchance" = Freudian slip
Posted by: Gerry at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (xmffn)


I think it makes the HQ sound all cultured and European and shit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:18 PM (4df7R)

116 Republicans couldn't capitalize on a political issue if it was gift wrapped and put on their doorstep.

Political issue? Really? Is that what the country wants Mitch, you bespectacled old dufus?

People want leadership and real, substantive changes. Not promises, gimmickry and "political issues".

If this ends badly, I am done with the Republican Party.

Posted by: marcus at November 29, 2012 01:18 PM (GGCsk)

117 I am the food stamp of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. So share of my malt liqour and filet-o-fish. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (3Y7RV)

:::: sits at OSP's feet ::::

Tell us again about the miracle of the jerk chicken and 40s, OSP!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 29, 2012 01:18 PM (sbV1u)

118 Boehner, Nov 8..


way forward.
putting increase revenue on the table by through reforming tax code.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 01:18 PM (hX8cq)

119 Ace you're hilarious. A day or so after excoriating conservatives forcalling outRINOs, you're calling out a RINO.



Posted by: Born Free at November 29, 2012 01:16 PM (jnJcf)

Simpleisme.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (xAtAj)

120 rickl

what post?

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (0PiQ4)

121 use the JEF's own strategy

vote present

make them own it

middle class voters will feel the pain

conservative conversion

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (Dnbau)

122
96 Fire doesn't lie, ever.

Burn it down.

---------

Yep.
But I will miss the liquor stores...and the drug stores.
Life without alcohol or drugs will be hard.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (CM59X)

123

10 We have to fold on the budget so we can focus on the debt ceiling.
20 We have to fold on the debt ceiling because it's time for the next election

GOTO 10

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (kdS6q)

124 The expiration of the Bush tax rates also means the bottom brackets go back up.

Yeah, on people who work for a living but don't make much money. The free-shit crowd doesn't pay taxes because they don't work. I don't see how increased taxes on people who actually work punishes the free-shit crowd.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (feFL6)

125
I for one, intend to remind every MFer who complains about some Obama policy that they asked for it.

---

The 70% Jewish vote for Obama, for example.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (Hx5uv)

126 Ann Coulter is on the Let It Burn train.

She gets it. Any deal that the Republicans do to avert the coming "fiscal cliff" is going to fail - because Obama is in charge. And they will blame whatever thing the Republicans said they had to have in the deal as the reason why grandma has to go in the ovens.

So, I think Boehner and McConell should tell the world very publicly: we will not vote to block or amend anything the Democrats propose for a vote that meets the requirements of the debt deal which creates sequestration.

I heard on the radio Obama saying that the Republicans have to propose specifics and details and it has to make mathematical sense....Okay, goose and gander. No matter what the Republicans propose, it will fail the "not detailed enough" or the "math doesn't add up" test.

This scares the shit out of the Dems, too. Put them on the hotseat.


Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (7vSU0)

127 "You don't like the fact you can't find a job and your unemployment just ran out? That can't be true. You MUST like it because you just VOTED for it."I'm going to be saying that a lot the next 4 years.

I've been rehearsing something in the mirror lately: "Hmm, that's too bad. Did you vote for Obama? You did? Then you got what you voted for. Have a nice life."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (lOmbq)

128 Expecting The Stupid Party to do something non-stupid is just to set oneself up for eventual crushing disappointment.

Let it burn. It's all going to come crashing down anyway. Might as well get out of the way rather than trying to catch the falling chain-saws. But Mushy Mitch and Johnny Orange just can't seem to help themselves.

Posted by: DocJ at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (A5uiv)

129 Oh, my, yes. That's the spirit. And we'll be here to catch you.

Hard to do while dangling from a lamp post.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (FfbyM)

130 McConnell is forever justifying these major sell-outs by claiming he's so cleverly extracted a dynamite political concession that will wind up making the Democrats' victory a poison pill. It's either delusional or dishonest.

No, he just still lives in that disconnected fantasy land inside the beltway where the electorate gives a shit, and the media gives everyone's ideas "a fair shot".

Damn, that actually means he's both.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (hNXHo)

131 The free-shit crowd doesn't pay taxes because they don't work.

---

they don't work, they don't pay, and they don't care.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (Hx5uv)

132 110 Bevel L,

Some GOP...Run Red tilt the reddest of the red.

My read.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (LRFds)

133
I took the top 4. This is gonna be a good day

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (0PiQ4)



And you said and accomplished nothing.

Must be nice to be satisfied with futility. Do you have a government job?

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (UK9cE)

134 A Psalm of Obama

(To be sung by children, K-12, every morning of their seven-day school week.)*



The State is my shepherd, I shall not want. It makes me lie down in federally owned pastures. It leads me beside quiet waters in banned fishing areas. It restores my soul through its control. It guides me in the path of dependency for its namesake. Even though our nation plunges into the valley of the shadow of debt, I will fear no evil, For Barack will be with me. The Affordable Care Act and food stamps, They comfort me. You prepare a table of Michelle Obama approved foods before me in the presence of my Conservative and Libertarian enemies. You anoint my head with hemp oil; My government regulated 16-ounce cup overflows. Surely mediocrity and an entitlement mentality will follow meAll the days of my life, And I will dwell in a low-rent HUD home forever and ever. Amen.

*Special Note: For union workers teaching their subjects this psalm in government schools, it is to be regarded as a psalm of exquisite beauty. The main subject is the watchful care that the Government extends over its dependents and the consequent faux assurance that you must make them feel that the State will supply all their needs. The leading thought—the essential idea—is to get gullible Americans to fully believe that Big Government will provide for them and that they will never be left to want. Make certain the dumb bastards get that message, okay?

Posted by: Granny Piven & Her Organized Community Engineers at November 29, 2012 01:21 PM (tQHzJ)

135 Oh and a big "F**k You" to CNBC for pushing a solution after keeping their traps shut until Obama was safely reelected. Now these aholes are being " Oh you all need to come together for the good of the country (as we see it)."
Take those "Rise Above" buttons and shove them up your asses.

Posted by: jjshaka at November 29, 2012 01:21 PM (R1aja)

136 The 70% Jewish vote for Obama, for example. Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (Hx5uv)

Yes, that one will go something like this....

"Yeah, sorry that Israel is now a smoldering ash heap. Oh, wait, you voted for Obama so that's a win for you. Sorry. I got confused"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 29, 2012 01:21 PM (sbV1u)

137 The only hesitation I have on Let it Burn, however, is Detroit. We let it burn. It didn't make anyone any smarter.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 01:21 PM (7vSU0)

138 Silence, serfs! Going to piss away 4+ million of your dollars on vacation next month. How's my ass taste?

Posted by: Queen Michelle at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (wIgpo)

139 Yeah, on people who work for a living but don't make much money. The free-shit crowd doesn't pay taxes because they don't work. I don't see how increased taxes on people who actually work punishes the free-shit crowd.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (feFL6)


don't kid yourself, alot of those bottom bracket voted for the JEF. They won't again after this. That is , assuming we have more elections

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (Dnbau)

140
btw, wasn't it nice of ChuckU Schumer to come out the other day as the spokesman for the moderate wing of the GOP who he said are being held hostage by Grover Norquist?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (jUytm)

141 I don't see how increased taxes on people who actually work punishes the free-shit crowd.
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:19 PM (feFL6)


In the short run it doesn't. In the long run, when there's no money to give out because there's no one who can pay taxes anymore, that's when the free shit army starts to take it in the shorts. Mad Max and Thunderdome, here we come!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (4df7R)

142 Ace,

I'd like to turn this back on you:

At what point do you have the confrontation with the GOP leadership? The "this far and no further" moment? The, "if you cross thus threshold, the coalition is no longer representing me, but taking advantage if my support of the coalition so as to harm me" moment?

At what point do you, personally, say, "I'm done with the GOP. Third party time."

The purpose of a 3rd party isn't to compete with the GOP. It is to destroy the GOP so that conservativism can return.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (oZ6hC)

143 Lace Whig Filter Machines.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (lOmbq)

144 This scares the shit out of the Dems, too. Put them on the hotseat.

Hey man, we got nothing.

You won, YOU ARE "the man with the plan", we'll go along with whatever you want. The electorate trusts YOU.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (FfbyM)

145 Either this or just don't show up and prevent a quorum.


Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (Hx5uv)

----
Nope. Then the R's get blame for taking their ball and going home.
Draft legislation giving Obama what he wants.... name the damn bill after him. Make a speech about how elections matter and Obama deserves to get his way. Give it name like we did Obamacare...... Barack O-budget... I dont care. Hang what he wants around his neck.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (nELVU)

146 31 --- "The boomers who could be counted on to show up and vote are angry as anyone about the coming changes to entitlement nation and are largely the ones who sat out lying to themselves about their desire for the hard choices."

Can you document that? Last I looked, the over 55 set voted in normal proportions and went solidly for Romney. (I do know that in 2008 they were the ONLY demographic that went for McCain.)

Remember that the Baby Boomers are the last cohort educated in the old pro-American ethos. The red-diaper Boomers certainly deserve our enmity, to put it mildly, but they never have represented anywhere near a majority of their generation --- in numbers, I mean, not in power and cultural influence. Check out the election of 1972, where all of those 18 yr olds went OVERWHELMING for Nixon over McGovern.

You think the death of the Boomers will improve things? Be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (C8mVl)

147 they don't work, they don't pay, and they don't care

Except every four years during a presidential election when 20 million more of them come out to vote then during the mid-terms. Then they care because they wanna make sure that Uncle Sugar keeps them satisfied.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (feFL6)

148 LOL.

The Iron Sheik

@the_ironsheik
Susan Rice dumb dumb bitch

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (fWAjv)

149 I'm with Dennis Miller. The politicians may suck, but the real problem is with the electorate and the country. This isn't the country I thought it was. Meh. Life goes on. Put on the "pod people" face and live as well as is possible. Its the best (and perhaps only) revenge.

Posted by: Fred at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (0GJri)

150 People want leadership and real, substantive changes. Not promises, gimmickry and "political issues".

No they don't. They made it quite clear on Nov 6th that they do in fact want promises, gimmickry, teleprompters, and a "balanced approach" which kicks the can down the road.

And don't dare touch anything that might possibly affect them personally or their sacred cows.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (SY2Kh)

151
This is the GOP today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N1Hz2_gdh4

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:24 PM (HDgX3)

152 >>>The 70% Jewish vote for Obama, for example.

We encompass 2% of the US population.
I am sure you don't need Amishdude to come along and do that math for you.

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 01:25 PM (OAbmF)

153 Wow hadn't listened to Limbaugh since the election.

He is dead on about the Donkey having plans for the 401k system...

Will the idiot professional Class middle get the message when they are handed IOUs every bit as valid as the Social Security "solemn promise?"

I doubt it.

Gonna flip the thing off though. No offense to Limbaugh but the Horde got the gag in 2009.

You brought it on yourself GOP crossovers and sit this one outs.

Those saying "new party" you're a great help. The Donks are getting their way now....you'll LOVE handing them a supermajority forever by running as the Luap Nor Cult with 20% of the electorate and then a GOP with 25%.

Run Red or run into the wall....

3d partiers prefer "the wall"....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:25 PM (LRFds)

154 The free-shit crowd doesn't pay taxes because they don't work.

---

they don't work, they don't pay, and they don't care.


Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:20 PM (Hx5uv)


Have you listened to the latest Empire of Jeff Whisky rant? Or is it Scotch.....regardless. It's fucking epic and SPOT. ON.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 29, 2012 01:25 PM (UK9cE)

155 "Exchance." I like it.

I'm adding it to my list of new words.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (KXm42)

156 Let sequestration occur.

Let freedom ring.

What has killed this country is two political parties who have operated in thei own self interest, not those of there constituency.

I therefore say a deal that neither of them thought would come to fruition is best for all of us.

Posted by: marcus at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (GGCsk)

157 142 At what point do you, personally, say, "I'm done with the GOP. Third party time."

For me and many others of the FisCon persuasion, that happened when the the last occupant of the White House, enabled by the Pelosi/Reid Congress, decided to go all in on "compassionate conservatism".

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (hNXHo)

158 Republicans put themselves in a box as always. We have idiots representing us. Just do what Obama wants and walk away. Tell every one that Obama and the Democrats own it. When it falls apart tell everyone we told you so. Obama wants to destroy the country and we continue to take the blame. Boehner is a drunk. Like it or not. We are far beyond the tipping point. Congress will soon want out 401K money.

Posted by: alans4 at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (V2OI+)

159
The only thing the GOP establishment's cocktail waitress "gets" is money from conservatives who buy her books.

Ann Coulter's job is writing bitter-clinger pron. She doesn't believe a word.

Posted by: Lace Whig Party at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (Ks4nX)

160 142 Hopeless,

No the purpose of the 3d party is to give Barack even more power.

Go to it I could give 5 fucks anymore.

The donkey will rape the corpse or Luap Nor cult either way it's over.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:26 PM (LRFds)

161 If I knew how to create a movement (not that kind of movement) to get huge numbers of Republicans to reregister to vote as Independents, I would. I think that might rattle some cages at GOP HQ.

I am going to do it.

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 01:27 PM (QW+AD)

162 147
they don't work, they don't pay, and they don't care



Except every four years during a presidential election when 20
million more of them come out to vote then during the mid-terms. Then
they care because they wanna make sure that Uncle Sugar keeps them
satisfied.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 01:23 PM (feFL6)
I fear the day, coming soon I'm afraid, (because I'm a cynic) when the bottom tier of the middle-class will look up from busting their asses, at the Free Shit Gang standing in front of them at Wal-Mart and say ---"fuck it, work is for chumps".

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 01:27 PM (BoE3Z)

163 btw, wasn't it nice of ChuckU Schumer to come out
the other day as the spokesman for the moderate wing of the GOP who he
said are being held hostage by Grover Norquist?





Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (jUytm)



Norquist is the new Emmanuel Goldstein. The MFM is running its 2 minutes of hate on him quite a bit lately

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:27 PM (1Jaio)

164 157 Rob McNeece,

awesome please tell me you sat out this last cycle empowering Giggles to do as he will?

If so I salute you.

No really it's the new economical salute involves one finger and savings.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (LRFds)

165 This is exactly what the Dems did to GHW Bush. He agreed to an increase in good faith, and they went back on their agreement to cut spending.

Posted by: Cricket at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (DrC22)

166 @150:"They made it quite clear on Nov 6th that they do in fact want promises, gimmickry, teleprompters, and a "balanced approach" which kicks the can down the road."
---

Indeed.

This is why the GOP must go. If we had leaders that were willing to fight for the 48-9% of the country that understands the pile of shit that we're in, then we wouldn't be right in letting it burn.

But we clearly have losers at the helm all around.

New Party.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (Y5I9o)

167 I think it is a pisser that the Republicans are throwing Norquist to the wolves - they decided to sacrifice one of their own to the sharks in hopes of satiating the stomachs and saving their skins.

Think about this - Romney and Ryan were on the raise revenues by eliminating deductions plan as part of their campaign, and nobody complained about that. But they didn't go, hey, in your face Grover Norquist!

Stupid party.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (7vSU0)

168 I'm with Dennis Miller. The politicians may suck, but the real problem is with the electorate and the country.

The electorate is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Shitfail.



Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (KXm42)

169 I found out today a chick I know got a layoff notice. This made my day. She is a 31 year old single mom who would let Obama fuck her in the ass and then cum in her mouth if given the opportunity, she loves him that much. So a week before Christmas she will be in the unemployment line. Fuck her. Fuck her kid. I hope they both starve to death soon.

L.I.B.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:28 PM (HDgX3)

170
The University of Louisville’s move to the Atlantic Coast Conference is winning praise from a major Cardinals fan. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., took to the Senate floor today to praise Tom Jurich, UofL’s athletic director.

In what looks like a 900 or so word speech.

Team Republican: Focused on the Issues That Concern You

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (kdS6q)

171 I was just looking at some porn from the 20's. Weird.

BJ's have certainly changed over the years.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (KXm42)

172 I don't see how increased taxes on people who actually work punishes the free-shit crowd.
Oh. Something might affect them.

Posted by: your $20 Big Mac at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (jPVBi)

173 Didn't Reagan and H. W. Bush fall for this also?

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (YHkjy)

174 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:24 PM (HDgX3)

Heh. Talking about all the handguns in CA. How old is that video.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (fWAjv)

175 Discussing personal family budget plans with a JEF voter. JEF voter became angry when I pointed out they should anticipate paying at least 10-20 percent more in taxes, and not to count on using 401k in the future. Light bulb started to go off, and then JEF voter stalked away unable to confront reality.

Multiply this by several million

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

176 Has anyone ever seen Mitch McConnell and DrewM in the same room together? I'm just sayin.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 01:30 PM (lBRx+)

177

Yeah, Sponge. I have a job. I'm a full time shoplifter. I also have a paper route.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:30 PM (0PiQ4)

178 Obama to McConnell et al: "Fellate me while I eat this expensive ham!"

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 29, 2012 01:30 PM (pLTLS)

179 >>>The 70% Jewish vote for Obama, for example.



We encompass 2% of the US population.

I am sure you don't need Amishdude to come along and do that math for you.

---

Oh, there's plenty of blame to go around, alright.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:30 PM (Hx5uv)

180 And that, Sven, is why I'm asking ace.

Ace, at what point have you had enough of "just the tip" with Mitch McConell and John Boehner?

At the very least, we are in need of an immediate and total leadership purge.

Posted by: Hopeless at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (oZ6hC)

181 This isn't the country I thought it was.

Yeah, I've come to the same conclusion. We're a nation where the dependent parasites have all the say and the culture reviles conservatives and classical liberal ideals. Even our so-called Leaders don't have the stomach to stand up for the principles that made this a great country. Maybe they're just too complicated to explain to the proles who only care about getting shit.

As conservatives we can get used to living in land that holds us in contempt or we can move.

This is so depressing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (QKKT0)

182 @150:"They made it quite clear on Nov 6th that they do in fact want
promises, gimmickry, teleprompters, and a "balanced approach" which
kicks the can down the road."


Yep - and they should get it, good and hard.

It will suck for us too, but at least we can we see it coming and can get the lube ready for the epic screwing that's due.

Posted by: DocJ at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (A5uiv)

183 Southpark was pretty good

Posted by: yerro at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (CO/ju)

184 Discussing personal family budget plans with a JEF
voter. JEF voter became angry when I pointed out they should anticipate
paying at least 10-20 percent more in taxes, and not to count on using
401k in the future. Light bulb started to go off, and then JEF voter
stalked away unable to confront reality.



Multiply this by several million

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

-----
Too fucking late. That train has left and is moving too fast to jump off.
Train wreckage will ensue. Count on it.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (nELVU)

185 175 ThundrB,

Yeah I've played that game they do not give a fuck.

Barry is a religious movement and they believe that the FreeShit Fairy will give them their one shiny damn the torpedos.

Freeshit Medical voter is perhaps quite literally the most retarded fucker walking Earth.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (LRFds)

186 170

The University of Louisville’s move to the Atlantic Coast Conference
is winning praise from a major Cardinals fan. Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., took to the Senate floor today to praise Tom
Jurich, UofL’s athletic director.

In what looks like a 900 or so word speech.

Team Republican: Focused on the Issues That Concern You
__________________________

Yeah but again this is politicians giving the masses what they want. Ask 100 people in Kentucky what the fiscal cliff means, maybe 30 will know. Ask them who the startig QB is for Louisville and 90 will know. And this isn't a knock against KY. The same ratio would be found in any state.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (HDgX3)

187 Yeah, Sponge. I have a job. I'm a full time shoplifter. I also have a paper route.
Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:30 PM (0PiQ4)

Is that rolling papers?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:32 PM (3Y7RV)

188 I will gladly pay you Tuesday for letting me wreck what's left of the economy today.

Posted by: J. Wellington Geithner at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (QKKT0)

189 Discussing personal family budget plans with a JEF
voter. JEF voter became angry when I pointed out they should anticipate
paying at least 10-20 percent more in taxes, and not to count on using
401k in the future. Light bulb started to go off, and then JEF voter
stalked away unable to confront reality.



Multiply this by several million

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)


They never want to confront reality. Reality is mean to them. I think they are just too stupid or intellectually lazy to understand reality

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (1Jaio)

190 What do we want?

FREE SHIT!

When do we want it?

TODAY, TOMORROW, AND FOREVER!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (Hx5uv)

191 124
The tipping point in this country came when working people began to suck at the trough as well. Look at the welfare cliff chart or go see how more people ABOVE the poverty line are on food stamps than those BELOW it. We are in this mess fiscally and culturally because people in the middle and the top are getting free stuff and voting for more of it. Our dependent class are those who are using government benefits as a means to supplement their lifestyles. There was an article in the NYT last summer detailing all the government benefits middle class families derive. Free school lunch, etc., etc. yet somehow the family detailed also had a boat and vacations in Florida. We have to stop subsidizing those peoples lifestyles first if we are ever going to reverse this thing.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (gkfSV)

192 @ 162 - You may be right. As for me, I'll work three jobs at minimum wage to pay the bills if I must.

I'll never take a dime of assistance from the government because I have something that 51% of this country doesn't have.

It's called dignity.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (XkQL7)

193 '...to sleep, perchange, to dream...'

Posted by: ace shakespeare at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (OAbmF)

194 As conservatives we can get used to living in land that holds us in contempt or we can move.

This is so depressing.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (QKKT0)

people can change their minds

they are not frozen in their positions

especially the less informed they are

reality of high inflation, high unemployment, high taxes can change world views

I know, I know, it already should have

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (Dnbau)

195 174
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:24 PM (HDgX3)



Heh. Talking about all the handguns in CA. How old is that video.
_______________

I should have prefaced my comment with where on that video to look. It's that bit about London cops saying stop, or I'll say stop again. This is the GOP, as effective a London cop without a gun chasing a criminal.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:34 PM (HDgX3)

196
Nobody really cares for my ideas, but I'll offer mine anyway. We need a cynical, despicable, leftist style campaign of fear. Americans need to FEAR POWER. This needs to be the central theme in media, entertainment, news, and any conduit we have access to.

Most Americans have no clue who Kim Jong Un is. They have no idea what life is like in DPRK. Why isntt this the humanitarian issue of our time? Doesn't an examination of that situation lead to some conclusions about the dangers of power? This ought to be our pet cause, for strategic reasons as well as moral.

Provoke conflicts between state and federal authorities, the new marijuana laws are a perfect opportunity. One-size-fits-all government won't prease the left or the right. We need to make this apparent for everyone.

Pretend you're a libertarian and scared of a right wing theocray. Make the point that NOBODY in the federal government, left or right, should have the power to make sweeping laws on abortion or anything else. In the end, we might rely on the Libetarian party anyway if the Republican image is too tarnished.

Its going to take a lot of wark, swallowing some pride, and several elections but this is the only way out I see. We need federalism. Leftists will be leftists, fine so long as we can quarantine their (ond our) bullshit.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 01:34 PM (xXhWA)

197 163
Norquist is an idiot but he holds no one hostage. He just attracts other idiots and is attracted to jihadis.

The Democrats have some compulsion to attack people with no political power or responsibility. I guess they got tired of attacking Rush Limbo and have moved on to the idiot tax pledgeite.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 29, 2012 01:34 PM (eEfYn)

198 SSDD

le sigh

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 29, 2012 01:34 PM (X/+QT)

199 180 Hopeless,

Yeah it is a genius move handing the donks total power at the local, state, and federal level.

I was really tired having read the Constitution and billof Rights for 35 years anyway.

So what do you think Schumer's new bill of rights will look like?

I've never been the untermenschen before, I spent my life trying to thwart the Uberman from hurting the untermenschen.

US Military?

Gone....I'm mentally preparing myself to get a lot more noble.

"Noble" in this case being "unemployed, broke, and clingy"....


Fuck it I am growing my hair out and going for the polar refugee lifestyle.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:35 PM (LRFds)

200 I honestly say "Go for it" and I say that knowing that he will not keep any promise that he makes. I want him saying it is all the Republicans fault, and they say "Why, we gave you everything you wanted?" I know it will hurt, but I want unemployment 10+% and to see king put golfing.

Posted by: Picric at November 29, 2012 01:35 PM (RTUf7)

201 . The politicians may suck, but the real problem is with the electorate
and the country. This isn't the country I thought it was


The post WWII economic boom is completely spent at this point. Several generations grew up during that boom and have no concept of what bad really is.

They think 3rd world is something you see on TV. That's all going to change.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:35 PM (FfbyM)

202 Lace Whigs.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 29, 2012 01:35 PM (i0vBR)

203 Multiply this by several million
Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (Dnbau)


A first the idiots of the Free Shit Army will turn their frustration and agression on their perceived oppressors, the so-called "Rich People." In their pea brains, "Rich People" will be anyone who appears to be even marginally better off than they are, regardless of reason. It doesn't matter if you bought a new car because you're a member of the Kennedy Clan or because you saved and scrimped for ten years to be able to buy a current year model -- either way, you will be viewed as "the Rich." The FSA will attack your home, your person, your belongings. You will be looted and mugged and probably killed as they take your earthly wares.

Eventually they'll run out of "Rich People" to target, and they'll turn their attention to The Government.At first The Government will be able to mobilize some kind of military action against the violent riots and aggression of the Free Shit Army, but there will simply be too many of them. Washington will fall and the FSA will pile into the Oval Office and say, "WOO-HOO! Now we can have all the money, food, and free shit we want!"

Then they'll try to call out for pizza, only to realize that there's no one left who knows how to make pizza anymore.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:35 PM (4df7R)

204 There's plenty of time to avoid the cliff. Just say: Here's our proposed revenues and cuts as earlier agreed. We will talk again when you fucking assholes across the aisle (1) propose a budget and (2) put your revenues and cuts on the public table. Until then, we are joining Preezy Cakeboy's hands off approach and going to get in a game or two of golf.

Hold a daily presser and say the same thing. Every day. Same words.

Posted by: eureka! at November 29, 2012 01:36 PM (HPRku)

205 Empire of Jeff,

I wanted to say thank you for your little bit of encouragement the other day about photography. I think I'm going to try taking it up again. I saw a bald eagle yesterday perched on a post staring at me with a look that said "Hey, what are you staring at? Take a picture and get out of here." I wish I had my camera. Most of picture issues btw dealt almost entirely with lighting.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:36 PM (0PiQ4)

206 an intelligent person would begin to wonder which side McConnell was really on...

but i've come to the conclusion that many Republicans really aren't as intelligent as they claim.

Posted by: Shoey at November 29, 2012 01:36 PM (jdOk/)

207 It's called dignity.
Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (XkQL7)


Just got back from a job interview, I'm pretty sure i'll be starting monday. I used that exact same phrase, the dignity of work to describe why I want a job after being a stay at home dad for 5 years.

The dignity of work unfortunatly is not nature, it's nurture, comes from your folks or those that have influenced you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:36 PM (3Y7RV)

208 people can change their minds


they are not frozen in their positions



especially the less informed they are



reality of high inflation, high unemployment, high taxes can change world views



I know, I know, it already should have


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Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 01:33 PM (Dnbau)


How's that working out for western Europe?

Posted by: DocJ at November 29, 2012 01:37 PM (A5uiv)

209 The GOP will be blamed no matter what they do.
The MSM determines reality.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 29, 2012 01:37 PM (C8mVl)

210 "Run right through them, boys, they're demoralized as hell!"

The Democrats

Posted by: Aaron at November 29, 2012 01:37 PM (Tlix5)

211 Sandra Fluke@SandraFluke
Need regulatory fix but tell @Applebees @redlobster @olivegarden u don't support doing this 2 #workers over #Obamacare signon.org/sign/tell-papa…

-------

Economy. How do it fucking werk.

Person of the Year baby!

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:38 PM (fWAjv)

212 203: Two modifications. One, the actual Rich will, naturally, almost never face the FSA, as they will have moved themselves and their wealth elsewhere, in hard-to-seize forms. Attempts will be made, but the returns will be disappointing.

Two, when they target Government, they'll try to mobilize the military...but they may find the results of unleashing that aren't quite as they anticipated...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (GBXon)

213 Obama promises spending cuts.


AoSHQ promises weekly gun thread.


Will we see either?

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (fWAjv)

214 Americans need to FEAR POWER

This is one thing the central American immigrants bring with them. They don't trust the police, banks, or any government institutions. Many walk around with their whole life savings, 20,30, 40 thousand dollars, literally, in their pocket.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (FfbyM)

215
This makes me laugh:

Katy Perry and other artists, includingLudacris, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Cee Lo Green, Sheryl Crow, Maroon 5, Pink Floyd and Rush...have joined up with Grover Norquist to oppose the 'Internet RadioFairness Act'.

Hah!
This 'Internet Radio Fairness Act' would hit recording artists in the pocket, by artificially limiting their earnings.
It's a Dem-sponsored proposal.

Link to story at Breitbart in my nic.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CM59X)

216 @ L,

You're welcome. I'd hate to think you spent all that money for nothing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (lBRx+)

217 You can have my Honus Wagner for a rookie card to be named later.

Posted by: fluffy, negotiator at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (z9HTb)

218 This is why the GOP must go. If we had leaders that were willing to
fight for the 48-9% of the country that understands the pile of shit
that we're in, then we wouldn't be right in letting it burn.


Awesome plan, duder.

Even if 49% understood the trouble we're in (and it's nowhere near that high), 48-49% of the vote is still a loss.

But you go ahead and keep believing in your little fantasy of a True Conservative party that not only stuck to conservative principles, but won majorities doing it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (SY2Kh)

219 "you jews just get into the cattle cars and let me lock the door.. we're going to utopia!" -Barack H. Eichmann

Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (YAGzS)

220 212 brother Cavil,

No the military will be fired by then.

Illegal affirmative action in the downsizing will hit the combat arms leadership disproportionally which means a lot of people who are allied with free shit army by blood will be in charge.

Gonna be fun.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (LRFds)

221 Sandra Fluke@SandraFluke

Need regulatory fix but tell @Applebees @redlobster @olivegarden u
don't support doing this 2 #workers over #Obamacare
signon.org/sign/tell-papa…



-------



Economy. How do it fucking werk.



Person of the Year baby!

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 01:38 PM (fWAjv)


And 10 people nod their support. Make that 9 one was just nodding off

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (1Jaio)

222 Also, they'll find the phone networks no longer work. Or the power grid. Or the logistical systems to get food into the cities...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (GBXon)

223 219 "you jews just get into the cattle cars and let me lock the door.. we're going to utopia!" -Barack H. Eichmann
Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (YAGzS)

We're all jews now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (3Y7RV)

224 Why all the talk of let it burn? Why not just adopt the left's tactics? Identity politics works for them. Let's adapt and use it for ourselves.

Posted by: Lucius at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (Ofs+N)

225 No the military will be fired by then.

That, or they'll be firing on them...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (GBXon)

226 Boehner should demand that the Senate satisfy its legal obligation and pass a budget resolution before any fiscal negotiations even begin. Remind everyone that Harry Reid likes to call other people criminals but he's the one in violation of the law. Instead he'll just cry like the useless cocksucker that he is.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at November 29, 2012 01:42 PM (nZvGM)

227 McConnell's mode of thought:

1. Tax hikes.
2. Obama's promise not to allow something unfortunate to happen in my mouth.
3. Winning!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 01:42 PM (zF6Iw)

228 How many times are we going to willing attempt to kick the fuckin' football like Charlie Brown? No offense to CBD.

Posted by: no good deed at November 29, 2012 01:42 PM (mjR67)

229 218 Hollowpoint,

Indeed.

Run Red as you fall and split is likely the ONLY way.
This fanstasy that Luap Nor eleventy or whatever the SuperCon will be can win is folly.

The media is a big part to blame, but the idiot asshole electorate is as much to blame.

We are about to get what we deserve in spades.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:43 PM (LRFds)

230 Also, they'll find the phone networks no longer work. Or the power grid. Or the logistical systems to get food into the cities...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (GBXon)


Anyone with any kind of skill, from being able to sew to being able to make fire without matches, will be forced into service of the Free Shit Army. So it will be in the best interest of anyone with knowledge of skills to keep their traps shut and feign dumb. Anyone who is perceived as having intelligence -- someone who was once a teacher, for example, or a government employee -- will either show the trogs of the Free Shit Army how to make the lights work, or they'll be disposed of.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (4df7R)

231 HAM-ASS New Ground to Ground missile ALLAH AKBAR!!!!

it's a trap

http://tinyurl.com/cef5285

Posted by: Evilpens at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (ck76k)

232 I get the thing about dignity in work, and I have a good full-time job. But I'm going to apply for food stamps to see what happens, and help things burn. If I get an EBT card, that'll help cover the Val-U-Rite bill.

Fuck it, get what you can from the gubmint. Drag it down.

LiFB

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (QW+AD)

233 Katy Perry and other artists, includingLudacris,
Britney Spears, Rihanna, Cee Lo Green, Sheryl Crow, Maroon 5, Pink Floyd
and Rush...have joined up with Grover Norquist to oppose the 'Internet RadioFairness Act'.

Hah!
This 'Internet Radio Fairness Act' would hit recording artists in the pocket, by artificially limiting their earnings.
It's a Dem-sponsored proposal.

Link to story at Breitbart in my nic.


Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 01:39 PM (CM59X)


So Tits Perry loved her some Barry and his socialism but now she's howling because it's going to hit her bank account. Hypocrites

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (1Jaio)

234 225 brother Cavill,

Well a nice thing about Free Shit Army is when it finally goes Visigoth on Senate version 3.7 and friends those who grasp organized violence and practice the restraint to hang back is we can use the chaos to get space.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (LRFds)

235 For those of you looking at options outside the country:

Canada has lower tax rates than the US right now. Top marginal rate is 29%. And payroll taxes are 1/2 what the are in the US.

They've had a c enter-right government for the past 3 elections. The prime minister is from Alberta. Imagine a state that combined Texas, Wyoming and Montana and that's Alberta both culturally, economically and geographically.

One of the key reasons the economy is doing quite well is oil. Canadians are drilling every drop they can find and exporting most of it to China. The country pretty much told enviro-nazis to go fuck themselves.

As to the weather...If you go to Edmonton yeah it will be horrible. If you go to Toronto or Vancouver, no worse than cities like Detroit, Boston or Seattle.

The obvious downside is govt run health care. But after 2014 when Obamacare fully kicks in will you even notice the difference? At least in Canada it is 100% free for everyone. Obamacare is only "free" if you're part of the Free Shit Army.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (HDgX3)

236 We are about to get what we deserve in spades.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:43 PM (LRFds)

You said spades, racist. Hey, did ya'll hear the King and queen of the ghetto are off on a 17 day vacation to Hawaii? I guess that whole fiscal cliff thing is just an annoyance.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (3Y7RV)

237 I've never been fucked from all directions. This is going to be a new experience.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (oy/E2)

238 We're all jews now.


*shrugs*


Could be worse.

Posted by: fluffy, now a Jew at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (z9HTb)

239 ::::How many times are we going to willing attempt to kick the fuckin' football like Charlie Brown? No offense to CBD. ::::

No matter how many times you ask that question, the answer will always be, "One more time."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (lBRx+)

240 this is one of our problems: the Dems fight for every inch while the Repub establishment types want to pick their fight vewwwy vewwwy cawfuwwee.
You know they were the ones who expected Gingrich to lead the party to ruin with his extreme agenda in 1994. The one's who pissed away the Tea Party supporters by being moderate.
yeah, we're bonerred.

Posted by: mallfly at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (bJm7W)

241 So Tits Perry loved her some Barry and his socialism
but now she's howling because it's going to hit her bank account.
Hypocrites


Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (1Jaio)

-----
Soooo..... why is Norquist opposing this bill???? Somebody get him a LIB button and put that bill on a fast track...

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (nELVU)

242 You said spades, racist. Hey, did ya'll hear the
King and queen of the ghetto are off on a 17 day vacation to Hawaii? I
guess that whole fiscal cliff thing is just an annoyance.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (3Y7RV)



MFM: Vacation, what vacation? George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!! George Bush at his ranch!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (1Jaio)

243 229
218 Hollowpoint,
Indeed.
Run Red as you fall and split is likely the ONLY way.
This fanstasy that Luap Nor eleventy or whatever the SuperCon will be can win is folly.
The media is a big part to blame, but the idiot asshole electorate is as much to blame.
We are about to get what we deserve in spades.Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:43 PM (LRFds)

Yeah, there's not really an information gap going on, that "remessaging" can cure. People damned well knew what they voted for. When you look at the Red/Blue map, the issue is obvious. Urban is Blue. And there's more of them. There's no jawboning away the math.


Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (BoE3Z)

244 NEWSFLASH:

Obama doesn't give a shit about raising taxes...

This is all a charade.

Did we have an opportunity to KILL obamacare in the Senate by keeping a filibuster going over the holidays. If so, and we didn't do it, that is unfuckingforgiveable...

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (tVTLU)

245 Obama has the thinnest skin in DC. Make it personal by calling him unprofessional and naive or unserious and watch him explode. At the very least it'll be fun to watch.

Posted by: Max Entropy at November 29, 2012 01:47 PM (YHkjy)

246
How I wish we all could go fiscal cliff diving.

Doesn't matter, the deal is already made, all of these statements from these DC elitists are just for show.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 01:47 PM (n/ubI)

247 Anyone who is perceived as having intelligence -- someone who was once a teacher, for example, or a government employee -- will either show the trogs of the Free Shit Army how to make the lights work, or they'll be disposed of

Given how few of those two example groups will have the useful skills, and how many will be card-carrying FSA'ers, that is when the lulz begin in earnest.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (GBXon)

248 Old sailors poet and Erik W,

dignity of work. I know. I was so excited when I got my first job at age 15. Earning money even at my minimum wage job at a toy store in the mall was liberating. I didn't have to my parents for money anymore. I could buy what I wanted, but I guess it is a learned trait.

Posted by: L, elle at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (0PiQ4)

249 We need more immigrants from Acapulco. They are excellent cliff divers.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (eEfYn)

250 How many times are we going to willing attempt to kick the fuckin' football like Charlie Brown? No offense to CBD.


He won't be offended. Pretty sure he uses that thing to play baseball.

Posted by: fluffy, honorary tribesman at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (z9HTb)

251 Mitch McConnell, gibbering rictus.

We need a ball-cutter in his position.

Posted by: General Zod at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (2+bRt)

252 Let it Burn.

Posted by: Colonel Pooteh at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (zpEAp)

253 235 Mr Moo Moo,

Yeah but Canada is sorta funny about immigration for voting. Add in that they find no hypocrisy in telling us we need to let Mexico annex us but enforce hard control themselves.....

I'm looking forward to trying to human wave Canada if the SHTF here.

Hard red types should run north.

Let FSA take the sunbelt.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (LRFds)

254 232
I get the thing about dignity in work, and I have a good full-time job.
But I'm going to apply for food stamps to see what happens, and help
things burn. If I get an EBT card, that'll help cover the Val-U-Rite
bill.

______________________________

In my socialist utopia of Washington state, you can get food stamps if you make up to $46,000 a year for a family of 4. And once you get FS, you automatically qualify for WIC and free lunches for kids and an Obamaphone. Not kidding.

http://www.dshs.wa.gov/pdf/food/BFQAs.pdf

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:49 PM (HDgX3)

255 ONe of these days, I'd love Charlie Brown to take a run at that football, but before he goes to kick it only to have Lucy pull it away, I want him to stop short, pull out a knife/gun/syringe full of rat poison, and tell Lucy, "You know what? You get to kick the fucking football this time, you bitch."

Then he pulls the football away and shoots her anyway, because fuck her, that's why.

(Can you tell I've long had an irrational dislike of Lucy? it goes along with my seething hatred of Tweety Bird.)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:49 PM (4df7R)

256 Silence, serfs! Going to piss away 4+ million of your dollars on vacation next month. How's my ass taste?
Posted by: Queen Michelle at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (wIgpo)


It doesn't taste like chicken, that's for sure. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 01:49 PM (zF6Iw)

257 Anyone with any kind of skill, from being able to sew to being able to
make fire without matches, will be forced into service of the Free Shit
Army.


No, I see a more hopeless future in store. The FSA won't be doing much rioting and pillaging past their comfort zones. They'll settle down and hunker back to their local areas of control and just......wait....

....waiting for their gov't to come back from the dead to rescue them. We saw it in Katrina and Sandy. They have absolute faith their beloved uncle gov't will eventually come and rescue them with care packages and topped-off EBT cards once again. Soon, once they realize that maybe this is the one time uncle gov't isn't going to come, they'll start cannibalizing each other. Again, we saw it in Katrina and Sandy. They will prey on each other.

Hopefully, the Moron Horde will have left town a long time ago, for the safety of the hills with plenty of ammo and rifles with scopes.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 01:49 PM (GQ8sn)

258
Could be worse.
Posted by: fluffy, now a Jew at November 29, 2012 01:45 PM (z9HTb)

Yeah, I suppose being a member of tribe would be cool, but I aint wearing that silly little cap. Unless I could put a propeller on it, that would be cool.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (3Y7RV)

259
233....So Tits Perry loved her some Barry and his socialism but now she's howling because it's going to hit her bank account. Hypocrites

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (1Jaio)

----------

Yah. Don't you love it?

The entertainers who campaigned for Barky...are now looking to Conservatives to 'save them' from the socialist policies that will hurt them.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (CM59X)

260 So what exactly does the GOP want to cut? They won't say.

Cowards. They know cuts to entitlements are extremely unpopular. You guys have no levrage this time around.

Step up and spell out exactly what you want cut, GOP. But of course they won't.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (t1NLo)

261 Good luck, OSP. I'm sure you'll get it.

I learned work ethic from my Papaw.

He served during WWII as a Staff Sargent. After that he worked in a foundry and raced boats. In the 60's he made it on the Mercury Racing Team in the hydroplane class.

He flipped a boat during a race and Mamaw said no more. He built a prop repair business afterwards where I worked as a kid from the mid 80's through the mid 90's. Papaw passed away in 2000.

He didn't die wealthy but he died successful and that's something those fucktards on the left will never understand.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (XkQL7)

262 Given how few of those two example groups will have the useful skills, and how many will be card-carrying FSA'ers, that is when the lulz begin in earnest.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hacking Soledad's earpiece at November 29, 2012 01:48 PM (GBXon)


And I will laugh, and laugh, and laugh, and laugh...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:51 PM (4df7R)

263 Silence, serfs! Going to piss away 4+ million of your dollars on vacation next month. How's my ass taste?
Posted by: Queen Michelle at November 29, 2012 01:22 PM (wIgpo)
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Fuck it. Let it burn. No one gives a shit and now I don't either anymore. My outrage meter has been recalibrated and now the needle no longer moves, and won't. I need to keep my sanity somehow.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 29, 2012 01:51 PM (jucos)

264 253
235 Mr Moo Moo,

Yeah but Canada is sorta funny about immigration
for voting. Add in that they find no hypocrisy in telling us we need to
let Mexico annex us but enforce hard control themselves.....

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Canada actually has a sane immigration policy. It's based on economics not family reunions. If you have a skill that is in demand, you can immigrate easily. There's a point system. Say you need 100 points to get in. You get 10 points for having a college degree. 5 points for speaking English, 15 points for experience in profession XYZ. I'm making up the point numbers, but in essence that's how it works. Get enough points and you get the equivalent of a green card.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:51 PM (HDgX3)

265 257 EC,

Moron Horde would be well served mass migrating to TX, MS, and LA.

If we pooled our resources to bootstrap to density we can stall the rot.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:52 PM (LRFds)

266 Spell out what needs to be cut. Lay out the cutting plan in public.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 01:52 PM (t1NLo)

267 I'm looking forward to trying to human wave Canada if the SHTF here.

Sven, Canada has a very lax refugee policy. I'm still a Canadian passport holder so I know these things. All you have to do to claim refugee status is to plant both your feet on Canadian soil and tell the first Border Agent to come up to you, "I am a refugee seeking asylum". Once you say those magic words, they can't touch you. It's like asking for an attorney in front of cops, they have to abide by it.

Canada is still wide open country, perfect for ex-pats to settle and take over.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 01:52 PM (GQ8sn)

268 Dang, I'm over that threshhold, but I'm still going to try. Right after I reregister as an Independent.

What is WIC? And why doesn't everybody on food stamps get a free Government Motors Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 01:53 PM (QW+AD)

269
Step up and spell out exactly what you want cut, GOP. But of course they won't. Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (t1NLo)

It goes without saying, they'd like to remain uncontested in their primaries, and today's inside stock tips. Everything else is some Kabuki show Pelosi came up with.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 01:53 PM (xXhWA)

270 And now on American Top 40, we have come to the number 1 lie that comes out of men's mouths, but first, let's recap the top 10.

Coming in at number 10, "Baby, Of Course I Love You"
Dropping 2 spots to number 9, "I Wasn't Looking At Porn, I Was Googleing 'Scamper Exams'"
Holding Steady at number 8, "No, That Dress Doesn't Make Your Ass Look Big"
At number 7, "Your Mom Spending the Week With Us Sounds Great"
Moving up 3 big notches this week to number 6, "I Just Had A Couple of Beers Ocifer"
At number 5, "The Check Is In the Mail"
Number 4 is the former number 1, "I Promise I Won't Nut In You"
Up from last week's number 4 is "Honey, This Meal is Just As Good as Mom's"
At number 2, last weeks number 1, and the lie that has spent a whopping 79,469 weeks at number 1, "I'll Just Put The Tip In"

Which brings us to our new number 1, the highest debut of an excuse ever, "I'll Promise To Cut Spending 10 Years From Now, If You Just Raise Taxes Now, I Pinky Swear".

That's it for this week and remember to keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars!!

Posted by: Casey Kasem at November 29, 2012 01:53 PM (Zd/NW)

271 264 Mr Moo moo,

Yes yes it is sane. It is also touchingly hypocritical. I am getting my EMT qualification and probably a CDL. I really wish I'd of learned Machining in high school rather than History Honors since it doesn't mean shit anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:53 PM (LRFds)

272 Nobody knows what the fiscal cliff is.. only political geeks like us understand whats going on. For gods sake they think socialism means going on facebook.

Let it go over the cliff, repubs. In the long term, Obama will get the blame. At this point all we should care about is making democrats look toxic to American capitalism. It may be our only hope of survival.

Posted by: Obama 'en pee pee at November 29, 2012 01:54 PM (YAGzS)

273 Hopefully, the Moron Horde will have left town a long time ago, for the safety of the hills with plenty of ammo and rifles with scopes.
Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 01:49 PM (GQ8sn)


Oh, I'm sure we will have. We'll have to cluster together, though. Better fortification that way.

I'm sure most of teh FSAers will stay in their ghettoes and knife each other for cheese and crackers. But there will be the militant few -- those who wear their Che t-shirts while standing in the unemployment line, or who stand in front of polling stations in jackboots with black berets and billy clubs -- who will prefer a more hands on approach. And since the FSAers in the ghettoes are a bunch of idiot sheep, they'll let themselves be conscripted into the jackbooted, goose-stepping Free Shit Army Proper, because they'll be promised money and shiny things and all the free poontang they could ever want.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (4df7R)

274 That's it for this week and remember to keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars!!
Posted by: Casey Kasem at November 29, 2012 01:53 PM (Zd/NW)


I think those songs are available on a K-tel album, "The Sound of Bullshit"

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (3Y7RV)

275 You know they were the ones who expected Gingrich to lead the party to
ruin with his extreme agenda in 1994. The one's who pissed away the Tea
Party supporters by being moderate.
yeah, we're bonerred.


The same people bitching about Boehner today bitched about Newt in '96

Gingrich wasn't tossed out by The Establishment RINOs. He was shown the door by conservatives who got tired of his shit and getting constantly played by Clinton.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (SY2Kh)

276 Is there anyone here who can play this game?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (evdj2)

277 I want him to stop short, pull out a knife/gun/syringe full of rat
poison, and tell Lucy, "You know what? You get to kick the fucking
football this time, you bitch."



Then he pulls the football away and shoots her anyway, because fuck her, that's why.



Note to self: Don't cross MWR

Posted by: fluffy, southerner at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (z9HTb)

278 Hopefully, the Moron Horde will have left town a long time ago, for the
safety of the hills with plenty of ammo and rifles with scopes.>>

I just invested in upgrading my cabin that sits on 40 acres in the north woods. The FSA will run out of members and gas way before they even find me and mine.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (tf9Ne)

279 266
Spell out what needs to be cut. Lay out the cutting plan in public.
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5% across the board. Too much? Ok 1% across the board. But even then you libtards would scream about how a 1% cut in welfare would lead to millions of people dying of starvation.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (HDgX3)

280 Even if 49% understood the trouble we're in (and it's nowhere near that high), 48-49% of the vote is still a loss.But you go ahead and keep believing in your little fantasy of a True Conservative party that not only stuck to conservative principles, but won majorities doing it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:40 PM (SY2Kh)


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Fuck you and your smugness Hollowpoint. We have no idea how the electorate would vote having a true conservative as a candidate. People like you have precluded us from running any conservatives since the 80's.

You're part of the problem.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (oy/E2)

281 267 EC,

EC I've lived up North and been within a week of dropping the hammer to migrate twice.

ONE nation is exempt from the magic words.

You're living in it.

Saw that with the "peace operatives" who ran from deployments.

I hope you're right, but I am planning on trying to get a green card.

The funny thing is Canada's ruling coalition could 'vote a new electorate' tomorrow that just wants left alone.

"We'll see."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:56 PM (LRFds)

282 What is WIC?

It stands for "Women, Infants and Children." It's basically assistance for single mothers. What about single fathers? Fuck them, that's what.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:56 PM (4df7R)

283 Once you say those magic words, they can't touch you. It's like asking
for an attorney in front of cops, they have to abide by it.



Will they search my trailer?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (z9HTb)

284 271
264 Mr Moo moo,

Yes yes it is sane. It is also touchingly
hypocritical. I am getting my EMT qualification and probably a CDL. I
really wish I'd of learned Machining in high school rather than History
Honors since it doesn't mean shit anymore.

_____________________________

Why is it hypocritical?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (HDgX3)

285 260 --- "So what exactly does the GOP want to cut? They won't say. "
Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 01:50 PM (t1NLo)

Er, it was Obama who won the election, not Romney. It is Obama's job to propose the tax hikes and spending cuts. It's called leadership.
But he's always passing the buck, isn't he?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (C8mVl)

286 It's a clownshow, nothing more. No serious cuts will emerge from these talks. They'll claim some phoney war savings and cuts to the rate of increase that will happen 10 years from now (never).

That's what's gonna happen. And when it does, I'm never voting GOP again.

Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (nmqlp)

287 LiFB

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (evdj2)

288 L, elle - Couldn't agree more. I almost feel sorry for the useless, miserable lefties who think they are owed everything because life is unfair.

Almost.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (XkQL7)

289 Is it so hard for Boner or Mitch The Chin to point out that spending has more than doubled in the past 10 years while tax rates have stayed the same. We have a spending problem not a tax problem. You don't need a PhD to figure this out. A 30 second commercial could easily point this out.

But then again I am talking about the stupid party here.....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (HDgX3)

290 Note to self: Don't cross MWR
Posted by: fluffy, southerner at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (z9HTb)


*looks up from sharpening knife* Who, me? I'm a pillar of justice and good will, dammit. I'm so angelic I could dance on the head of a fucking PIN!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (4df7R)

291 FUCK YOU OLAF.

Cut the fucking welfare, and cut it hard. Cut Section 8 housing to the fucking bone. Section 8 and chronic welfare should be front and center on pubs list of things to cut.

How about the dhimmis, I mean, demorats. What are they gonna do?

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (tVTLU)

292 5% across the board. Too much? Ok 1% across the
board. But even then you libtards would scream about how a 1% cut in
welfare would lead to millions of people dying of starvation.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 01:55 PM (HDgX3)

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Dont even try Moo. They.Dont.Get.It.
The only way they might understand is when the whole thing collapses and EVERYTHING goes to ZERO..... maybe they might get get it then..... but I doubt it.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2012 02:00 PM (nELVU)

293 284 Mr Moo Moo,

I have been a Canadaphile my whole life. I am always amused when Calvin the Canuck goes on about why the US has a duty to allow amnesty while also setting up a system that locks Americans out of simply hopping the border themselves.

I miss Calgary like the deserts miss the rain.

I knew the new olden age for the prairies was coming in 1982, I fucked up and let the war blind me to hard economic realities.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:00 PM (LRFds)

294 I'm sure most of teh FSAers will stay in their ghettoes and knife each
other for cheese and crackers. But there will be the militant few --
those who wear their Che t-shirts while standing in the unemployment
line, or who stand in front of polling stations in jackboots with black
berets and billy clubs -- who will prefer a more hands on approach. And
since the FSAers in the ghettoes are a bunch of idiot sheep, they'll let
themselves be conscripted into the jackbooted, goose-stepping Free Shit
Army Proper, because they'll be promised money and shiny things and all
the free poontang they could ever want.



I base my assumptions on their future behaviour by looking at what happened in the OWS protests. Those protest groups were in fact, a microcosm of what would happen in a large scale anarchy breakdown. You'd have a very select handful of people in the know running things, while most of the proles would make up the lower rungs of the group, gathering food, dispersing food, taking care of odd job duties, etc. What struck me as amusing and surprising was the fact that a movement that loudly claimed to be anti-establishment, quickly organized themselves as closely to the establishment as they could. Do you remember how all the donations flowing to the Zucotti Park OWS group went to only one or two individuals that had set up bank accounts? Never mind the rape-tents, but there were only a small handful of people in charge of organizing the daily activities and a few deputized enforcers. The rest just sat around inbetween meals waiting to be told when and where to march.

That's what the FSA will devolve into.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

295 I'm not talking about romney. I'm talking about people who want cuts to entitlements, AKA, the gop. Obama has said he wants to keep the tax breaks for EVERYONE on the first $250,000 they've made.

The gop is too cowardly to say out loud which exact cuts they want to make. Because it is political suicide.

Fun to watch.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (t1NLo)

296 Run Red as you fall and split is likely the ONLY way.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 01:43 PM (LRFds)

Sven, I have no idea what you mean by 'run red.'
If I assume it means somehow support the GOP, that's been a dismal failure. That's a fact. It isn't future-casting like your guarantees of a third party defeat.
It's time for a new group to step up. Once it does, I suspect the GOP will melt away and we'll have basically the Republican party with new leadership and a clean slate. I base this on the fact that it's happened before historically.
Time and again history has shown us that the GOPdoes not win any policy victories. I see no reason to keep pursuing that strategy because of fear that we might 'really' lose with a 'pure' party. We are losing with this abominable whore-party.
If I'm going to lose, I'll lose with my principles instead of looking sad and pathetic like Scott Brown.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (FkKjr)

297 It's a clownshow, nothing more. No serious cuts will emerge from these talks. They'll claim some phoney war savings and cuts to the rate of increase that will happen 10 years from now (never).That's what's gonna happen. And when it does, I'm never voting GOP again.
Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (nmqlp)


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It'll be the same shit, different year. Rush is right. What's happening in DC right now is nothing but theater.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (oy/E2)

298
Screw the republicans saying what they want cut, its Oblubber who needs to say in return for tax raises, here are the $1Trillion in cuts this year. And yep, they should be written down and presented.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (n/ubI)

299
283...Will they search my trailer?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 01:57 PM (z9HTb)

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Yeah, and you can't take your firearms with you into Canada.
They even took our pepper spray, the time we went there.

Posted by: wheatie at November 29, 2012 02:02 PM (CM59X)

300 268: What is WIC? And why doesn't everybody on food stamps get a free Government Motors Chevy Volt?
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It's another form of food stamps for young kids.
If you're over the threshold, cut back hours or go part time until you're just under the threshold.

Say you make $60K. If you drop to $46K, you lose $14K. But after taxes, that's really a loss of $9K. But getting under the magic $46K you more than make that up through free government shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:02 PM (HDgX3)

301 291
FUCK YOU OLAF.



Cut the fucking welfare, and cut it hard. Cut Section 8 housing to
the fucking bone. Section 8 and chronic welfare should be front and
center on pubs list of things to cut.



How about the dhimmis, I mean, demorats. What are they gonna do?

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 01:59 PM (tVTLU)
Nobody's going to cut anything. The lifers in government know better. Either party. You get reelected by giving people things.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 02:02 PM (BoE3Z)

302 164 157 Rob McNeece,

awesome please tell me you sat out this last cycle empowering Giggles to do as he will?


I registered in October 2012 in my new home state as an Independent. The GOP abandoned me, I didn't abandon it. The only thing that even comes close to sharing values with me is the Tea Party Movement (not really any of the Tea party Organizations, mind you). I'm so far beyond giving a shit about who sleeps with who or who marries who.

Had I not moved, as much as it would have made me puke, I would have been right back there in Missouri pulling the lever for Akin. In my sanity-based, primarily FisCon universe, it didn't require all that much critical thinking to know pretty definitively that Claire McCaskill was not the right choice for me, regardless of how I felt about abortion.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 02:02 PM (hNXHo)

303 296 Bevel L,

Run Red is holding out as long as you can but when the end hits going to red states to keep them red and prepare for the break-up if/when it comes.

I looked at the water, I made up my mind.

America is a Debtoholic, and you can't save drunks from themselves.

Let it burn, Run red.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:03 PM (LRFds)

304 I mean, we can supposedly "take the high" road and not sink to the left's level. And what has that gotten us?
98% of the black vote is gone. The Hispanic vote is gone. The Asian vote is going that way.
The left gets their vote in a solid block. We divide ourselves and refuse to agitate for racial spoils.
And again, what has it gotten us?
What will it get our children?
We play fair, they play dirty.
Guess who wins in the long run?

Posted by: lucius at November 29, 2012 02:03 PM (4/OZR)

305 Hollowpoint,

"That doesn't mean they need to completely roll over and cave, but the No Compromise Take No Prisoners crowd needs to face the fact that negotiations do, in reality, entail negotiation.
Posted by: Hollowpoint"

As stated in the post, how do you negotiate with a party that has broken every compromise in the past and has signaled they will do it again?

'82 compromise yielded little to no cuts. Ditto '92. Bobama welshed on 2009 deal before they signed it.

Knowing with 100% certainty that they will tear up any deal, isn't the idea of negotiating, um, insane?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 02:03 PM (JEpGb)

306 Ha. Obama exactly DOESN'T have to say what to cut. If you don't understand this, you have no sense of politics.

He wants the bush tax breaks to expire on income over $250,000. The gop want "cuts" in exchange but will not say what to cut.

Because they are cowards who know they will get hosed if they say they want to cut SS, medicare or medicaid.

It's politics folks, and elections have consequences.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (t1NLo)

307 *looks up from sharpening knife* Who, me? I'm a pillar of justice and
good will, dammit. I'm so angelic I could dance on the head of a fucking
PIN!



WARNING: remove and secure soul before engaging MWR.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (GQ8sn)

308 Well, tax increase should be a bargaining to get what we want now. not in 20 years.

Posted by: joeindc44 at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (3zQJl)

309 I have every expectation that the same wise, prudent party establishment who gave us the wise, prudent nomination of Mitt Romney will negotiate in honest good faith with Obama -- and get rolled.

Waking up in a dirty Chicago alleyway with double vision, empty pockets, and wondering what that sharp stinging sensation between their buttocks might be.


Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (ymG7s)

310 Olaf:

Someone making $46K a year qualifies for food stamps. How about cutting that to $15K. You know for the actual poor of the country and not the middle class?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (HDgX3)

311 re: "Soooo..... why is Norquist opposing this bill????"

I suspect it's because he's not a fascist.

The premise of the bill is that paying royalties--you know, compensating the people most responsible for making the stuff that gets sold--is such an unjust and innovation-stifling *cost* to giant media companies, that the government needs to step in and save them from having to pay it (to the degree that they even do pay it, which, as anyone in the business knows, is minimal).

Norq's right. And so is Katy Perry. The bill's a massive stolen-goods gift to Big Media. The people who sell *their* work via Big Media--not people who *work for* Big Media, who just have regularly paid jobs--is who'd get fucked. Worse than they already do.

It's absolutely vile. And if you doubt that it is, look up who supports it.

Posted by: oblig. at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (cePv8)

312 Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)


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There'll be a lot of chanting, though. And uptwinkles.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (oy/E2)

313 Oh the economy is frightful
But obama is so delightful
The voters show no concern
Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

Posted by: Hard Right at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (uhftQ)

314 Fuck you and your smugness Hollowpoint. We have no idea how the
electorate would vote having a true conservative as a candidate. People
like you have precluded us from running any conservatives since the
80's.


Yes, if only we had listened to the Senility Set who assured us that Romney wouldn't win the nomination because Sarah Palin would swoop in and save us all after winning the presidency in a landslide.

But you go ahead an be consistently wrong while I get proven right again and again.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment with the All Powerful RINO Establishment Committee to reminisce about how we used our secret mind control powers to deny Herman Cain his rightful place as nominee.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (SY2Kh)

315 WARNING: remove and secure soul before engaging MWR.
Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (GQ8sn)


It's the ginger in me. Sometimes it just takes control and I have to go drink one of the souls I have on ice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (4df7R)

316 Ha. Obama exactly DOESN'T have to say what to cut. If you don't understand this, you have no sense of politics.


Jokes on you then, because then they become automatic. As it turns out, I want to go over the cliff too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 02:06 PM (n/ubI)

317 Bullshit. Obama won't "tear up a deal" about cuts, because the gop won't say what to cut!

The gop wants obama to move first because regardless of what you guys here "believe" (like the unskewed polls a few weeks back) cutting entitlements is enormously unpopular.

Make a move tough-guy GOP. Clint eastwood as Dirty Harry: "go ahead, make my day."

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:06 PM (t1NLo)

318 To say theRepublicans are going to cave on spending cuts requires one to believe that they want to cut spending. What has there been in the actions of the GOP in the last decade to justify such a belief?

Posted by: BVBigBro at November 29, 2012 02:07 PM (jRTeM)

319 Someone making $46K a year qualifies for food stamps. How about cutting that to $15K. You know for the actual poor of the country and not the middle class?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM

Tell one of your brave leaders to offer it up as a for-instance. As of now, the gop has refused to define a single cut to entitlements.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:08 PM (t1NLo)

320 The gop wants obama to move first because regardless of what you guys here "believe" (like the unskewed polls a few weeks back) cutting entitlements is enormously unpopular.

Yes. We know. Everyone knows cutting entitlements is unpopular, and we all know it's the only thing that will have any effect on our fiscal survival. That's why entitlement reform has always been the "third rail" of politics.

Hence, LIB.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:08 PM (4df7R)

321 Oh the economy is frightful But obama is so delightful The voters show no concern Let it burn, let it burn, let it burn
Posted by: Hard Right at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (uhftQ)


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Thread winner!

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 02:08 PM (oy/E2)

322 317 Olaf,

I have a better idea.

Fuck you.

Over the falls let it burn asshammer.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:09 PM (LRFds)

323 I'm so angelic I could dance on the head of a fucking PIN!


May I use that line?


If I try to steal it, I'll get my hair parted with a hatchet.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:09 PM (z9HTb)

324 A number of folks have pointed out that failure to reach a deal means that the military will be gutted. Sadly, this is a feature not a bug.

When the military is gutted that pretty much guarantees that there will be a spectacular act of Islamic terrorism on the order of nuking one or more American cities. Look at the electoral map. Those cities voted for this to happen. When it happens, there will be less blue on the map. How would Pennsylvania vote without Philadelphia?

Elections have consequences. Let the consequences begin.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at November 29, 2012 02:09 PM (dGtaD)

325 Free Shit Crowd=Anyone who receives more benefits from society than they put into society. We tipped when Bush and Obama expanded the safety net enough to allow people to utilize benefits to maintain their lifestyles instead of cutting back they went on the dole. People with the resources to make it without societal contributions decided society owed them the cargo cult of a lifestyle one step above their economic strata or the maintenance of whatever strata they were in in 2007. There's your free shit crowd and there's your reason for more Obama. People who voted on government lifestyle maintenance. I know immigrants who are more productive members of society than some lawyers I know. Okay bad example.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 29, 2012 02:09 PM (xV30b)

326 Nothings gonna burn. You guys claim the sky is falling over and over and retreat to Mad Max at Galt's Gulch fantasies on a regular basis.

Get some fresh air. Or shut up and go Galt.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:10 PM (t1NLo)

327 Boner = WGA (World Canadian Bureau) getting bubble gum and BOGO coupons at Benigan's for ending the Canadian Strike.

Why can't we put him, McConnell, Cantor, and several others on a block of ice and chip it off and let them float off into the the ocean?

Posted by: Terrance and Phillip at November 29, 2012 02:10 PM (YE14Z)

328 But you go ahead an be consistently wrong while I get proven right again and again.

This election was the perfect 'electability' republican's fantasy - a moderate Republican with a great business record ran a campaign on the economy and jobs. He stuck to those issues and raised tons of money.

It was a spectacular failure.

If you think continuing that strategy is a good idea, I don't think you are being proven right over and over.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 02:10 PM (FkKjr)

329
Nope, Odipshit needs to say what cuts he can live with. But if he doesn't I am totally fine with the fiscal bump. I don't care about what people think of the gop, cause I know where we are headed anyway. Make Odickless sweat.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (n/ubI)

330 320 MWR,

Quite.

Olaf is funny he hates people who will happily let him have what he has built.

Tx, LA, and MS can make more cash per capita than whatever stays with Ogabe Lenin Inc in a decade.

Fuck you Olaf, fuck your EPA, fuck your Ponzi scheme.

If we leave you will not want to knock on our door.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (LRFds)

331 Yes, if only we had listened to the Senility Set who assured us that Romney wouldn't win the nomination because Sarah Palin would swoop in and save us all after winning the presidency in a landslide.But you go ahead an be consistently wrong while I get proven right again and again. Now if you'll excuse me, I have an appointment with the All Powerful RINO Establishment Committee to reminisce about how we used our secret mind control powers to deny Herman Cain his rightful place as nominee.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:05 PM (SY2Kh)


-----------------------------------------------


You've just proven my point.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (oy/E2)

332 Olaf, remember when Obama said he would halve the deficit by the end of his 1st term? Of course you do. So close that dick nibbler of yours and take a walk.

Posted by: Warden at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (nmqlp)

333 Tubal:

This is simply not true... We are so overwhelmed by the Free Shit Army argument and the LIB crowd, that WE ARE MISSING THE FUCKING POINT.

Examine the facts. We lost hispanic vote in a big way. Immediately everyone is pro amnesty until we understand that immigration had NOTHING to do with how they voted.

Same thing with the "FSA". We FUCKING OWN MISSISSIPPI, ALABAMA, ARKANSAS.

Those states have very high black populations and a shit ton of poverty across the board.

40% of welfare IS IN ONE FUCKING STATE, CALIFORNIA.

Telling the welfare junkies to fuck off IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR POLITICAL POSITIONS THAT ANYONE, AND I MEAN ANYONE, CAN ESPOUSE.

And I mean the true welfare (not SS, not Medicare). WINNING!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (tVTLU)

334 Tell one of your brave leaders to offer it up as a for-instance. As of now, the gop has refused to define a single cut to entitlements.
Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:08 PM (t1NLo)


Oh, isn't that you, Jon? Hi! Done fucking your mother?

Anyway, as I was saying, why must it be on the Republicans, and only the Republicans, to propose spending cuts? If Obama and the Democrats want their tax increases, I find it curious that not one of them will go on the record as saying, "Here, we'll give you a trillion in cuts here, here, here, and here, effective immediately." Would that be so hard for them to do? Hmm?

But that's right. Entitlement cuts are political suicide, and the democrats are as big a bunch of pussies as the Republicans.

let it burn.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:11 PM (4df7R)

335 326 Olaf,

Wanna bet.

Gonna laugh when you're blowing Mexican cum bubbles.

The implosion is coming.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:12 PM (LRFds)

336 I have been a Canadaphile my whole life. I am always amused when Calvin
the Canuck goes on about why the US has a duty to allow amnesty while
also setting up a system that locks Americans out of simply hopping the
border themselves.

I miss Calgary like the deserts miss the rain.

I knew the new olden age for the prairies was coming in 1982, I fucked up and let the war blind me to hard economic realities.

___________________________________________________________

My dad was transferred to Toronto and then Montreal in the 80s and we (mom, sisters) moved with him. I loved it. Toronto back then was NYC without the garbage on the street. Montreal was (and is) the coolest city in N. America. We stayed there close to 5 years then came back to AmeiKKKA in the early 90s.

The 90s were tough economically for Canada. The $CAD was worth 60 cents. It took 10 years of liberal rule to finally crash the economy to the point where people woke up and said enough is enough. They elected conservatives in the mid 00s and haven't looked back. This is my one hope for the US. Canadians went full blown socialist and came back from the abyss. Maybe, Americans can do the same.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:12 PM (HDgX3)

337 The gop wants obama to move first because regardless of what you guys
here "believe" (like the unskewed polls a few weeks back) cutting
entitlements is enormously unpopular.
he is the President


FIFY, asswipe. The downside of winning is responsibility.


Own it, Bitches.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:12 PM (z9HTb)

338 @ Olaf

Why don't you get your fucking hero, who's run the Senate the last 6-years, to pass a budget first (which would be the first in over 1300-days), then blow me.

Posted by: DocJ at November 29, 2012 02:12 PM (A5uiv)

339 The gop is too cowardly to say out loud which exact cuts they want to make. Because it is political suicide.

No shit, dogfucker. You apparently suffer from the delusion that this place is a bastion of love and support for the GOP.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 02:13 PM (zF6Iw)

Posted by: fluffy hops in the barrel at November 29, 2012 02:13 PM (z9HTb)

341 No, entitlements do not need to be cut. Period.

Taxes are at historically low levels. I know you guys have a hard time believing things you find unpleasant (like polls) but it's true.

Raise some goddamn taxes. GOP: what exactly should be cut? Let us know what your brave pricipled stand is on cuts, and then we talk.

Otherwise, taxes go up, and no cuts.

Understand?

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:14 PM (t1NLo)

342 What is your share of the national debt, Olaf?

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (z9HTb)

343 It's politics folks, and elections have consequences.
Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:04 PM (t1NLo)


First sensible thing you've said. Hope that thought keeps you warm at night when you're selling your bone marrow to afford the downpayment on a carbon-neutral quartz heater.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (zF6Iw)

344 No, entitlements do not need to be cut. Period.



Taxes are at historically low levels.



And spending is at an all-time historical high.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (GQ8sn)

345 With regard to Democrats and tax promises:

Recall the history of Reagan and those same promises.

"Sometimes Reagan
went along with a pragamatist like chief of staff James Baker, who
persuaded the president to accept the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility
Act of 1982 (TEFRA) ...
Baker assured his
boss that Congress would approve three dollars in spending cuts for
every dollar of tax increase. To Reagan, TEFRA looked like a pretty
good '70 percent' deal. But Congress wound up cutting less
than twenty-seven cents for every new tax dollar. What had seemed to
be an acceptable 70-30 compromise turned out to be a 30-70 surrender.
Ed Meese described TEFRA as 'the greatest domestic error of the
Reagan administration'..."

http://www.reagansheritage.org/html/reagan_edwards12.shtml

Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (ymG7s)

346 No shit, dogfucker. You apparently suffer from the delusion that this place is a bastion of love and support for the GOP.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 02:13 PM (zF6Iw)


It's t1NLo, aka Jon, the troll from during the campaign. He's taken a break from being fucked up the ass by his uncle to come here a pule. I guess that means the Dems are worried about what the GOP might be planning, so they've sent out their whoredogs to suss out the feeling of the GOP "base."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 02:16 PM (4df7R)

347 As stated in the post, how do you negotiate with a party that has
broken every compromise in the past and has signaled they will do it
again?


Obviously the GOP shouldn't rely on promises of spending cuts and entitlement reform someday in the future, date to be determined. Maybe.

However, the main point still stands- what can be done today can be undone (and then some) in 2014 should we lose the House. We can't pretend that's beyond the realm of possibility.

Know why we kept hearing Romney, Obama, and every politician under the sun talking about compromise and bi-partisanship? Because that's what people want to hear, even if it's a lie. Even if they know it's a lie.

So yes, by all means we should try and push for the best deal we can. There's zero chance that deal will fulfill all our hopes and dreams though. No amount of willpower or stubbornness will change that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:16 PM (SY2Kh)

348 341 Olaf,

Olaf you're stealing 401ks Giggles ran up 6 trillion and growing out of 16 trillion total simple debt and 100trill plus of unfunded liabilities.

Fuck you.

Own it.

I may buy you a ticket to NYC to stay so when it is incinerated by Jihadi jim you get a front row seat.

Fuck you.

I pray YOU burn.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:16 PM (LRFds)

349 No, entitlements do not need to be cut. Period.

Yep - Medicare, Social Security, Food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, AFDC... they can just grow, and grow, and grow forever.

Because of magical skittle-shitting unicorns, I suppose.

Posted by: DocJ at November 29, 2012 02:17 PM (A5uiv)

350 The gop has no leverage, and even less guts.

Paul Ryan had a bold plan to cut entitlements. He's a serious Policy Wonk®. I hear that the gop wants to cut over and over.

When the rubber hits the road, they clam up. Won't say.

Hilarious.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:17 PM (t1NLo)

351 343 mary poppins,

Not me....

I'll live in a swamp or the tundra first and burn junk mail for heat.

I hate them and if ever history allows revenge I'll take it.

Hammer and nails.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:18 PM (LRFds)

352 Cutting spending is the answer, olaf. Please go back to whatever euro-hole you oozed out of because you simply aren't smart enough to be here.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 29, 2012 02:19 PM (uhftQ)

353 sven10077:

You kind of sound like a LaRouchie.

Nothing's gonna burn, the USA will carry on. You guys are chicken littles.

Posted by: Olaf at November 29, 2012 02:19 PM (t1NLo)

354 350 Olaf,

No Olaf giggles can steal billions from Medicare and it is "increased efficiency" to come...

I hope to be settled and watching you ride the SS SCOAMF down the drain.

You believe in the Unicorn Prince I believe in math twinkle toes.

Fuck you.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:19 PM (LRFds)

355 Gee olaf, where are the budget proposals from the dems in charge of the Senate? Talk about silence.

Posted by: Hard Right at November 29, 2012 02:21 PM (uhftQ)

356 353 Olaf,

Yeah ask Amb Stevens a gay man who found shelter in the party of Big brother how well "nothing burns.'

I will never be within 36 miles of a big city again.

I am so looking forward to laughing my ass off when Democrats get their reward.

Fuck you.

Run red and bury the blue.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:21 PM (LRFds)

357 "Taxes are at historically low levels."

Let's note that there are tax RATES, and then there are tax COLLECTIONS.

We have low rates right now, but collections are even less than the low rates would suggest they should be.

Why is that? It's because Obamanomics have strangled economic activity. Want to know what stagflation feels like? You're soaking in it! Raising tax rates won't fix the problems of tens of thousands of new pages of clumsy, costly regulations being added to the Federal Register. Raising tax rates won't bring back the corporate bond investors who were scared out of US markets by Obama's crude expropriation of GM bondholders.

Beyond that, though, Hauser's Law says that no matter where you set tax rates, you are going to actually collect about 20% of GDP as a practical maximum. You can set rates with the goal of collecting more than 20%, but people simply stop complying and start gaming the system when the rates go that high. Capital vanishes from the working economy into tax shelters.

So we have an empirical cap of 20% on what we can reasonably suggest to raise in revenue, and Obama is going to spend 25% of GDP this fiscal year. How if not with cuts do you propose to square that circle?


Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 02:23 PM (ymG7s)

358 347 Hollowpoint,

Anyone going on about "crying boner" and "Mitch mcConnel" doesn't get it...

the Red need to start working around the government and getting ready for the storm.

There is NO GOP leadership who is not part of the gag, and the gag is we're about to have our retirements stolen and 40 million new amigos to use the raided retirement pools for for "buying future votes."

At best we're looking at national decline and supplication to islam.

At worst we're gonna face what the guys from the Steppes faced in China and the Chinese economy in 250-400 AD.

Fuck it move on.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 02:25 PM (LRFds)

359 This election was the perfect 'electability' republican's fantasy - a
moderate Republican with a great business record ran a campaign on the
economy and jobs. He stuck to those issues and raised tons of money.


You seem to be operating under the assumption that I was a Romney booster, and that The Establishment was squarely in Mitt's corner all along. Neither is true.

The Establishment had many of the same concerns and doubts about Romney and his electoral chances that you and I did. That's why they were desperately trying to find someone else to fill the gap- remember the big effort by GOP insiders to convince Daniels to run? That wasn't being done out of confidence in Romney's electability.

After Pawlenty dropped out to no fanfare at all and Perry stepped on his dick once too many times, he was the only plausible choice left. Unfortunately.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:26 PM (SY2Kh)

360
We have it because Mitch McConnell decided it "wasn't the right time for a real
political confrontation" and so put it off into the future. And now that that
moment's here, surprise surprise, they're looking to concede, again and
delay the actual confrontation until later, again.


Ahh, now we're getting it.

The republicans will never, ever ever actually fight. They want what the democrats want, they just don't want credit for wanting it.

Which is just as well. Burn it down. MOAR spending. 2nd star to the right and straight on until default/hyperinflation.

Posted by: entropy at November 29, 2012 02:29 PM (TULs6)

361 However, the main point still stands- what can be
done today can be undone (and then some) in 2014 should we lose the
House. We can't pretend that's beyond the realm of possibility. Posted by: Hollowpoint


So, make a deal because we know the DEMs are lying? Again, I must be missing something, but that sounds like a losing proposition.

We *will* lose the House if we don't have anything to stand on. If we're just the Dem-Lite™ party, it's insane to think we will win another race.

What do you say to a voter after we're $20trillion in debt, at 10% unemployment, and watching investment move overseas? "We made a deal but, gee, we was wrong again. Sorry?"

Amigo, if you can't negotiate from a position of strength, it's insane to pretend that you are doing anything but losing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 02:30 PM (JEpGb)

362 317
Bullshit. Obama won't "tear up a deal" about cuts, because the gop won't say what to cut!



The gop wants obama to move first because regardless of what you
guys here "believe" (like the unskewed polls a few weeks back) cutting
entitlements is enormously unpopular.

_________________________________

Moron:
Taxes on the rich: $80B/year
Social Security deficit: $22 trillion and growing daily
Math is hard for libtards.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:31 PM (HDgX3)

363 What is this shit about taxes being at historic lows?
In the 80s the top tax rate was 28%. Today it's 35%.
Liberals are such liars!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 29, 2012 02:34 PM (HDgX3)

364 Everyone who's advocating the position of "let the Democrats own it - THEN everyone will come around to our way of thinking" are missing something. Everyone DID see what Obama and Democrats have done since 2008 - they owned it - and a majority of voters put them all back in office. Unless something significantly alters the mix of the voting electorate, it'll only get worse. Do NOT expect the people who voted TWICE for Our Lord and Savior to ever learn to enough to recognize they were idiots for having done so. There's a higher percentage chance of me becoming my own mother.

Posted by: Well and truly fucked - see you next lifetime at November 29, 2012 02:35 PM (WYR8b)

365 Anybody who believes that any behavior by the GOP--one way or the other-- is "politically expedient" is just an idiot.

The electorate is delightfully enslaved and very happy with themselves and their "prosperity." They don't know where Libya is, who Rice is, or what "tax" means (because most don't pay any)--UNLESS you tax their, now, legal weed in Colorado, their abortions, and their birth control pills. Frankly, they don't even mind paying that...so long as they can exercise their rights to be high and kill babies.








Posted by: WittyMermaid at November 29, 2012 02:37 PM (tr3oO)

366 The Establishment had many of the same concerns and doubts about Romney and his electoral chances that you and I did. That's why they were desperately trying to find someone else to fill the gap- remember the big effort by GOP insiders to convince Daniels to run? That wasn't being done out of confidence in Romney's electability.
The RNC was touting Mitt as their candidate in December of 2011. There was that RNC woman who famously said he was their guy. They were in his corner early into the process.

The post by Erickson over at Redstate (yeah, I know) does point out the incestuous relationship between consultants, the RNC, and Mitt's campaign. This was their campaign, where Romney made all the 'correct' moves but still lost.

Hell, how many times did we hear people assure us that the debt ceiling vote in August 2011 'guaranteed' our electoral victory? How many times were we told to just 'listen' to Boehner because, electability?

These people have been wrong about everything. 2012 proved they didn't know what they were talking about.

I have no confidence in our leadership or their strategies. It is time for a new approach, but the GOP is committed to John Boehner. That's a commitment to failure. There's no point in standing behind it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 02:40 PM (FkKjr)

367 Everyone who's advocating the position of "let the Democrats own it - THEN everyone will come around to our way of thinking" are missing something. Everyone DID see what Obama and Democrats have done since 2008 - they owned it - and a majority of voters put them all back in office.

Saw it. Never felt it. That's what I'm counting on. That smug asshole Obamafellators like olaf (BIRM) feel the economy go medieval on their buttocks. If it takes the single mother mentioned upthread losing her job before Christmas, running out of unemployment bennies and having to offer cut-price handjobs on the exit ramp to afford clean underwear for her kid to wake the hell up, then that's what I want.

You voted Obama because it felt good? Great. Now it's time for you to feel something else. Good and hard. LiB.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 02:42 PM (zF6Iw)

368 Let the Dems bring whatever bills they want. ALL Republicans vote present/abstain.

Make them own it.

Posted by: Tours Lepanto Vienna at November 29, 2012 02:42 PM (KvKOu)

369 What is this shit about taxes being at historic lows?
In the 80s the top tax rate was 28%. Today it's 35%.
Liberals are such liars!


Tax collections as a percentage of GDP are at historic lows, mainly because the private sector is flat on it's back and government spending has become a huge fraction of the "GDP".

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 02:45 PM (evdj2)

370 Amigo, if you can't negotiate from a position of strength, it's insane to pretend that you are doing anything but losing.

Well, that's the problem. The GOP isn't in a position of strength. Not when they only hold a House majority.

Posted by: Howie Kurtz at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (SY2Kh)

371 Die, retarded sock. #hacked

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (SY2Kh)

372 Floor it over the cliff. I'm sorry, but people need to deal with the consequences of their actions. If they want to punish right-thinking people from protecting them from their follies, then so be it.

These combination plans never work. Tip O'Neil swindled Reagan. Bush 41 cost himself his re-election and started a ten-year Rep feud and was still swindled by Foley and Mitchell. These deals never work out.

Sequestration is very scary when it comes to defense, but we should look at it later. Let the few reasonable Dems help lead the fight. But it is guaranteed budget cuts. The public is getting used to the government sugar high. it needs to know it can't last forever sooner rather than later.

When it comes to the debt ceiling, it doesn't mean that the government can't pay it's bills, it simply means that it has to live within it's means. Once that is reached, possibly while the god-king is on vacation in Hawaii, they will be begging to raise it so they can spend more.

We will reach the cliff in one way or another; the free-spending cannot last. Better sooner then later. for the good of the country.

Posted by: calbadger at November 29, 2012 02:55 PM (TaWQc)

373 Well, that's the problem. The GOP isn't in a position of strength. Not when they only hold a House majority.Posted by: Hollowpoint

Sorry to keep you in this thread, but if we're not in a position of strength any and all bargains will be losing propositions.

How's this?
Pass another House budget, march physically over to the Senate during session, and demand they take it and the 18 jobs bills that the Senate tabled. Reid tables them all again, and the GOP goes nuclear declaring the Dems AWOL, evil, and FUBAR. Non-stop 24/7 shit cannon time.

That's fighting. That's not losing more slowly.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 02:57 PM (JEpGb)

374 Well, that's the problem. The GOP isn't in a position of strength. Not when they only hold a House majority.


Posted by: Howie Kurtz at November 29, 2012 02:48 PM (SY2Kh)


Uh... you do realize that without the consent of the House, the government can spend NO MONEY? Bills MUST pass the House...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 02:59 PM (lZBBB)

375 364 Well and truly Fucked,

Maybe....I think an unshackled by Socialist Sierra Club EPA Red nation will do just fine.

The way to get that nation is to run red and then one day tell Blue America "fuck you."

Posted by: sven10077 at November 29, 2012 03:01 PM (LRFds)

376 Posted by: torquewrench at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (ymG7s)

And that deal was not even real CUTS.... it was Cuts in Growth...

The Government has NEVER actualy decreased it total cost in modern times.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 03:07 PM (lZBBB)

377 "And when that moment comes, what will they do?


If you can't fight now-- when the next elections are two years away -- when precisely would be a politically opportune time to fight?"
Ronald Reagan: "If we continue to accommodate,
continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand—the
ultimatum. And what then—when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows
what our answer will be? He has told them that we're retreating under the
pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the final
ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary, because by that time we will have
been weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically."



Posted by: JohnJ at November 29, 2012 03:29 PM (Tt6ky)

378 Exchance? To sleep, per change to dream? I missed a meeting somewhere.

Posted by: poots at November 29, 2012 06:22 PM (gDytV)

379 Dishonest. I believe that they are exactly the same bureaucratic statist as the democrats. They are just another party so have to put on a show

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