Boehner's Press Conference

He just left his meeting with Turbo Tim Geitner. He seems to be throwing cold water on the talks and saying the White House isn't taking this seriously.

[Update: Press conference over. Video Below]

Boehner called on the White House and Democrats to publically name what cuts they would accept. Boehner called the current deal "way out of balance." He didn't mention what was in it.

"Revenue is only on the table if there are serious spending cuts that are part of this agreement.

Video from The Washington Free Beacon.

Posted by: BenK at 11:47 AM



Comments

1 well that would explain the sudden implosion of dow futures...

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 11:47 AM (Vk2CC)

2 Fuckensee yousee, Boehner. I'm not even going to watch, because I can already guess what you'll say.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:48 AM (4df7R)

3 * blink*

*blink, blink*

?

Posted by: Tobacco Road, now in a serious funk at November 29, 2012 11:48 AM (4Mv1T)

4 Linky not worky. In Chrome anyway.

Posted by: Tobacco Road, now in a serious funk at November 29, 2012 11:49 AM (4Mv1T)

5 Ugh, just missed it. How badly did he sell us out?

Posted by: Alex at November 29, 2012 11:49 AM (3x3F6)

6 Rand Paul just told Beck that a million emails to Boner might wake up his arse to the rage of conservatives.

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:49 AM (tQHzJ)

7 Timmy gifted Boehner with a carton of smokes, and Boehner bestowed Timmy with a bottle of single malt.

Fiscal cliff averted, until this afternoon.

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at November 29, 2012 11:50 AM (mXEH+)

8 Can't see it on the blog. Didn't watch it. Don't care. I expect he folded - in the words of Bartholomew J. Simpson - faster than Superman on laundry day.

One of my fantasies - a G-rated one, anyway - is that every day Boehner, McConnell, McStain, Grahamnesty and all the other limp-wristed RINO bastards would be forced to read the AoS comment threads to have it thrown in their faces how much the base despises them.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 11:50 AM (zF6Iw)

9 The link to the video just does - nothing. How ironic.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:50 AM (BoE3Z)

10 Balls??

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 11:50 AM (evdj2)

11 Boner will cave sooner or later, because he wants the same thing Democrats do, a big government, and that takes big money to keep running.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (HDtn6)

12 Let it burn...seriously... let it burn.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (EGPJQ)

13 All I want to hear from Boner is "Until the President presents his plan he is AWOL and is not providing the leadership on this that the American people returned him to office for."

Posted by: Minuteman at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (qs9G3)

14 Meh

Posted by: RUReadingthis at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (V92KK)

15 Bringing this over from the News thread, since it's related to fiscal cliffyness:

White House Dossier:
President Obama is reportedly scheduled to be vacationing in Hawaii on January 2, the date billions in spending cuts – and untold consequences for the economy – will kick in if a deal is not reached on the “fiscal cliff.”
According to the
Hawaii Reporter, residents who live in the area of Oahu where Obama and his family vacation have been told that the usual restrictions on their movements during an Obama stay will be in place for 21 days, from December 17 through January 6....
LINK: http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/11/29/obama-slated-hawaii-cliff/

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (4df7R)

16 to hell with all of them.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (GVxQo)

17 Doesn't matter what was said.

Burn it the fuck down.

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)

18 So is John Boehner the de-facto leader of the Republican party at this point?



Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (KXm42)

19 Balls??

Nope.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (lOmbq)

20 Wait, the White House isn't serious about debt problems?


The fuck you say...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (da5Wo)

21 Boehner will foldlike piece of Walmart lawn furniture...

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (EGPJQ)

22 Breaking: George H.W. "One-World Order" Bush admitted to hospital.

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:53 AM (tQHzJ)

23 Yea, they are putting mayo on the shit sandwich! mmmmmmmm..... i love mayo

Posted by: Mr. Know it All at November 29, 2012 11:53 AM (uJK1E)

24 Did "shit just got real"?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 29, 2012 11:53 AM (UypUQ)

25 Did "shit just got real"?
Posted by: Serious Cat at November 29, 2012 11:53 AM (UypUQ)


We're talking about Washington, DC. Reality doesn't exist there.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:54 AM (4df7R)

26 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:54 AM (5DR1j)

27 By the way, aren't the Bush Tax Cuts now the Obama Tax Cuts since he signed off on them?

Logic - How does it work?

Posted by: Minuteman at November 29, 2012 11:54 AM (qs9G3)

28 One of my fantasies - a G-rated one, anyway - is
that every day Boehner, McConnell, McStain, Grahamnesty and all the
other limp-wristed RINO bastards would be forced to read the AoS comment
threads to have it thrown in their faces how much the base despises
them.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 11:50 AM (zF6Iw)


You really think they give a shit about what the "rubes" think?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (da5Wo)

29 21 foghorn

yes he will, but he will cry to show he cared.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (GVxQo)

30 They'll blame the GOP if anything goes wrong -- they might as well get blamed for doing the right thing.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (RD7QR)

31 Btw, I can not believe they are still pulling that "War Savings" crap as cuts in spending.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (UypUQ)

32 You really think they give a shit about what the "rubes" think?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (da5Wo)


It would just be more proof to them that they're our "betters" and know what's best for us better than we do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (4df7R)

33 F*ck John Boehner. He's fooled us too many times. He'll start by talking tough. Soon enough, he'll have negotiated with himself to a position of "Okay, you can have your tax hikes. And how much more money would you like to spend on ObamaCare?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (5DR1j)

34 16
to hell with all of them.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (GVxQo)
I am done with all of the stupid party until a new leadership arises from this debacle. And even if that happens they are going to have to CONVINCE me that they aren't just running another line of bullshit.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (BoE3Z)

35 So is John Boehner the de-facto leader of the Republican party at this point?

Nope, it's official. It just wasn't publicized. He managed to decimate all TEA Party reps from committees too. How can he do this before the new Congress is sworn in?


http://bit.ly/US6Txv

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:56 AM (tQHzJ)

36 Come on December 21st. The best bet we have is the Mayans !

Posted by: RUReadingthis at November 29, 2012 11:56 AM (V92KK)

37 It would just be more proof to them that they're our "betters" and know what's best for us better than we do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (4df7R)


Pretty much all of DC suffers from "Smartest Guy in the Room" disease.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:57 AM (da5Wo)

38 15 Bringing this over from the News thread, since it's related to fiscal cliffyness:

White House Dossier:
President Obama is reportedly scheduled to be vacationing in Hawaii on January 2, the date billions in spending cuts – and untold consequences for the economy – will kick in if a deal is not reached on the “fiscal cliff.”

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (4df7R)

When the going gets tough Preznit Choomboy gets going on vacation.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 29, 2012 11:57 AM (qs9G3)

39 That Bonehead is still has the postion to negotiate, after the REALLY bad deal he made last time with the sequestration... tells me all I need to know about the GOP.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (lZBBB)

40 Why does Boehner even bother getting near those people? He's gonna wake up in a bathtub filled to the brim with ice and a sharp pain in his side, with a 'call 911' note taped to his chest.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (feFL6)

41 Not only will Boner fold, he will fold in the worst possible direction. He will give away the issue, the policy, and the philosophical arguments.

He will cave, yes, that was always going to be the case. But the way he'll do it will hurt us and his party for a long time. He is our Obama. He's incompetent, lazy, weak, ineffectual, and mildly retarded, yet he manages to stay in power.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (J4gw3)

42 \Pretty much all of DC suffers from "Smartest Guy in the Room" disease.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:57 AM (da5Wo)


Can we lock them all in a room together and let them fight it out to decide who's the smartest of all? I'm thinking something like "Saw," but with fewer bear traps and rusty blades and more pants-wetting cowardice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)

43 um, you could give him a chance to 'prove out', as the miners say


You go to war with the army you've got: Boehner is the army



Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous languour at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (Dll6b)

44
Update
I've linked to the video.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (C2Y4l)

45

I'm going to name a drink after Boehner:

DRY SACK ON THE ROCKS


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2012 11:59 AM (XkWWK)

46 "one-sided leaks in the press". Heh

Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:00 PM (Dll6b)

47 Sure, John. Sure.
I'd have more respect for him if he'd just look the people in the eye and tell them "We're outsourcing this to Obama the Democrats since that's what you all voted for. Have fun! We're going home for Christmas."

Posted by: Sam In VA at November 29, 2012 12:00 PM (rFiOs)

48 um, you could give him a chance to 'prove out', as the miners say

You're obviously new here.

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 12:00 PM (tQHzJ)

49 Boner doesn't know how to make a deal. His first offer should have been "when you return spending to 2008 levels we will talk". Until then the other option is shut i down and spend noting.


We didn't get here because of taxes. We got here because Obama is a communist.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 12:01 PM (YdQQY)

50 Oh, the video is magically back. What should have been said..."you fuckers are just blowing smoke. We're going on vacation until you grow up. See you in Maui blind boy."

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:01 PM (BoE3Z)

51 Lurk off

Damn video is on auto play in FF...please stop. Can't stand any more Boner.

Lurk on

Posted by: dananjcon at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (jvd3N)

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (BoE3Z)

53 What up with the autoplay?

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (Hybzj)

54 Was there any nudity?

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (8sCoq)

55 Oh, let's wait and see how the political issues ripen after the first gusts of the regulatory blizzard blast the public after 1/1/13. Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare.

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (HjPtV)

56 Did he fkn cry again?

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)

57 Can we lock them all in a room together and let them
fight it out to decide who's the smartest of all? I'm thinking
something like "Saw," but with fewer bear traps and rusty blades and
more pants-wetting cowardice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (4df7R)



Yeah, somehow I don't think I'd be happy with the result. It'd be a big bitch fest slap fight with Teh Maverick in the middle yelling "My friends! My friends! We have nothing to fear from each other!"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (da5Wo)

58 I haven't read all the comment but, has anyone noted that the video is set to autoplay yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (evdj2)

59 Sorry, I don't know how to turn the autoplay off, but I put a warning up above the fold.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (C2Y4l)

60 Make it stop, make it stop....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (9+ccr)

61 Jesus Christ, now he won't stop yapping!!!!!!

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (BoE3Z)

62 Was there any nudity? You mean besides Boehner's bare assed stupidity ?

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (Vk2CC)

63 I'm not worried. The wisdom and maturity of the politicians on both sides of the aisle will lead us to the promised land.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (Hx5uv)

64 Posted by: Sam In VA at November 29, 2012 12:00 PM (rFiOs)

Oooh, a fellow VARginian! Say, Sam, didja see where Lt. Gov. Bill Bolling said he wouldn't challenge Ken Cucinnelli for Repub gov since the TEA Party instigated a nominating convention instead of a primary? Seems he's now mulling a run as an indie. Scorched earth. Can you say, "Gov. McAuliffe"?

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (tQHzJ)

65 Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous languour at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (Dll6b)

Horseshit.... you do not reinforce Failure...

You do NOT keep a General who has continuously been defeated, in Command...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (lZBBB)

66 Logic - How does it work?

Posted by: Minuteman at November 29, 2012 11:54 AM (qs9G3)

Simple, if it can be cast in a negative light, it belongs to Bush. If it can be deemed positive (by any stretch of the imagination) it belongs to Barry.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (Cnqmv)

67 What should we say in the e-mail to Boener? I'm so annoyed I don't think I can make it succinct.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (v8RoL)

68 he looks tanned and rested!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (GVxQo)

69 Breaking: George H.W. "One-World Order" Bush admitted to hospital.

That's "New World Order".

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (GQ8sn)

70 Video from The Washington Free Beacon.

Mmm, Free Bacon.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (QGyiB)

71 >> I don't know how to turn the autoplay off


Start talking about your ex. or maybe mention how attractive autoplay's friend is?

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (Hybzj)

72
Can we lock them all in a room together and let them

fight it out to decide who's the smartest of all? I'm thinking

something like "Saw," but with fewer bear traps and rusty blades and

more pants-wetting cowardice.


---

And chainsaw hands like in Army of Darkness.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (Hx5uv)

73 You do NOT keep a General who has continuously been defeated, in Command...





Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (lZBBB)


Well bless your heart, you must be new to the Republican party. Welcome friend!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (da5Wo)

74 Best possible outcome: Boehner screws the pooch, as usual, this time so badly that the house elects a new speaker next year.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at November 29, 2012 12:04 PM (epxV4)

75 "Revenue is only on the table if there are serious spending cuts that are part of this agreement.

The words are TAX HIKES you dumb fuck, jesus christ, if they won't even say the words tax hikes we're fucked. And Boner is just worthless, when he talks he looks and sounds like a used car salesman trying to scam you.

Posted by: booger at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (HI6wa)

76 What should we say in the e-mail to Boener? I'm so annoyed I don't think I can make it succinct. LIB or DIAF works for me.

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (Vk2CC)

77 Ben - Maybe you could just link to the Washington Free Beacon instead of embedding the video? Just to help avoid the autoplay feature.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (4df7R)

78 Good on Boehner. Now, lets just hope those are HIS balls he seems to have grown and not just a loaner set for the photo op.

Posted by: george at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (qBLA2)

79 >So is John Boehner the de-facto leader of the Republican party at this point?


No. The defacto leader of the Republican Party is the Yellow-bellied Crapweasel (bendoverus boneii)

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (8sCoq)

80 43 um, you could give him a chance to 'prove out', as the miners say

We, um, did. He's been a dismal failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (ytax8)

81 We need to stop this autoplay oppression!!!!!

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (BoE3Z)

82
Here is my fanasy press confrence: Speaker Boehner stands at the podium, stares intently directly forward and in a voice just below screaming states; You want to go over the cliff? Hmm Motherfucks? Good, cause we're going over you shit sucking fucksticks!!

I'mma grab the president by the belt and we're going over this bitch together! Then he laughs maniacally.... That's my dream.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at November 29, 2012 12:06 PM (wmR6i)

83 The Dems don't want a deal. They will let us go over the cliff and then blame the Reps for protecting the rich. Then they Dems will submit a life-saving offer that screws the "rich" and dare the Reps not to sign it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 29, 2012 12:06 PM (piMMO)

84
79
>So is John Boehner the de-facto leader of the Republican party at this point?

-------------------------

No. The defacto leader of the Republican Party is the Yellow-bellied Crapweasel (bendoverus boneii)


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (8sCoq)


So, it is John Boehner.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:06 PM (da5Wo)

85 I turned down the volume. The grey boxes seem roomier now.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:06 PM (BoE3Z)

86 He just left his meeting with Turbo Tim Geitner. He seems to be throwing
cold water on the talks and saying the White House isn't taking this
seriously.







Barry not taking it seriously? Next thing you'll tell me is he's trying to politicize it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (1Jaio)

87
Breaking: George H.W. "One-World Order" Bush admitted to hospital.

That's "New World Order".

---

And Obama is Third World Order.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (Hx5uv)

88 I heard Rand Paul say that a million emails would help, I sent one because I'm home sick and respectfully told the speaker that he should not forget fiscal conservatives and that no matter what, TFG is going to blame the republicans because that is what he does, blame someone else.

Send emails to Boehner!

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (z4WKX)

89 And there's nothing in that video that's worth putting up with the autoplay.

Posted by: booger at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (HI6wa)

90 Nor Roger, No Re-Run, No Autoplay!

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (Hybzj)

91 I hate how 'tax' now is called 'revenue' as though the United States Government is a business that earns money

Jeebus weeping christ but Orwell was right- 'control the language'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)

92
I'm reading that the deal right now is tax increases now, and cuts 10-20 years later. 1.2 trillion in tax increasesover the next ten yearsagainst 400 billion in cuts that start in 10 years, which means they will never happen.

This sounds familiar. I remember this deal from the early '80s.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)

93 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:05 PM (ytax


Are ye not a Christian? Believe ye not in redemption? Can a man not be saved?

Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (Dll6b)

94 This must be what it's like to have a child who is terrible at sports.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 12:08 PM (J4gw3)

95 I'm with Joe Biden. We need to split this country into 3. One for the libs, one for the people who dislike what the libs stand for and one for the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything ever.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 12:08 PM (m2CN7)

96 Are ye not a Christian? Believe ye not in redemption? Can a man not be saved?
Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (Dll6b)


A man, yes. A politician? No.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:09 PM (4df7R)

97 Ha. I figured out how to turn the autoplay off.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 12:09 PM (C2Y4l)

98 I bet this was Bam's idea to make it look like somewhere in the government there is some resistance to taking our money. Nice show, guys.

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:09 PM (xXhWA)

99 Are ye not a Christian? Believe ye not in redemption? Can a man not be saved?

Being removed from a position of power is not the same as damnation.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:09 PM (ytax8)

100 Is Dll6b the new hash for OZFIC?

Posted by: Vizzini at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (O7Q1u)

101 This must be what it's like to have a child who is terrible at sports.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 12:08 PM (J4gw3)


Speaking as someone who was terrible at sports as a child: No. This is worse.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (4df7R)

102 95
I'm with Joe Biden. We need to split this country into 3. One for the
libs, one for the people who dislike what the libs stand for and one for
the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything
ever.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 12:08 PM (m2CN7)
It's already been split as far as I'm concerned. I'm yearning for those lines on the map, now.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (BoE3Z)

103 fucking kabuki theater.

Posted by: kevlarchick at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (+dlqq)

104 I'm with Joe Biden. We need to split this country into 3. One for the libs, one for the people who dislike what the libs stand for and one for the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything ever.


****

I like it!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (piMMO)

105 I hate that He sounds convincing.
Unfortunately we've been down this road a few times already.
will not get my hopes up to have them crushed again.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (hX8cq)

106 *throws confetti at Ben!* HOORAY!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (4df7R)

107 91
I hate how 'tax' now is called 'revenue' as though the United States Government is a business that earns money

Jeebus weeping christ but Orwell was right- 'control the language'


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (8sCoq)


This ^^^^^

Posted by: booger at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (HI6wa)

108 I'm Shocked ... SHOCKED I tell you!

Posted by: Prefect Reneu' at November 29, 2012 12:11 PM (DPvCq)

109 Is Dll6b the new hash for OZFIC?


Posted by: Vizzini at November 29, 2012 12:10 PM (O7Q1u)

yes

Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:11 PM (Dll6b)

110
We all know what is going to happen on this fiscal cliff mirage issue. They will raise taxes on the rich, which they will avoid, and take deductions away (or limit them) from the middle class where the massive revenue lies. There will be phantom cuts except to the military.

In other words, the exact wrong thing as usual. But let's be serious, its a done deal.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 12:12 PM (n/ubI)

111 >400 billion in cuts that start in 10 years, which means they will never happen.


we need 400billion in cuts every year

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:12 PM (8sCoq)

112 Jeebus weeping christ but Orwell was right- 'control the language'

I obviously missed the part that said 1984 was a how-to manual.

And that Idiocracy was a documentary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (lOmbq)

113 95I'm with Joe Biden. We need to split this country into 3. One for the libs, one for the people who dislike what the libs stand for and one for the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything ever. Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 12:08 PM (m2CN7)That sounds like a great bargain / solution. I think we should go even further and divide it ito like 50 autonomous governments that can make their own laws.If only that weren't antithetical to socialism, and if only we weren't dealing with socialists...

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (xXhWA)

114 Conservatives seem to lack a national leader to speak for them, don't they?

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (HjPtV)

115 >>>63 I'm not worried. The wisdom and maturity of the politicians on both sides of the aisle will lead us to the promised land.


I'll have whatever he's having. And make it a double!
:-)

Posted by: Tobacco Road, now in a serious funk at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (4Mv1T)

116 Jeebus weeping christ but Orwell was right- 'control the language'

Never accept the premise. Politicians need to fucking figure this out.

"First off, let's be clear. 'Revenue increase' is politispeak for raising taxes. The government is not a business; it does not make money. The government TAKES money."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (4df7R)

117 one for the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything ever.


---

I can't go along with that! Why does everything always have to be your way? Just this once can't we do it my way? And it's too hot in here.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:15 PM (Hx5uv)

118
\n newlines.... how do they work?

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:15 PM (xXhWA)

119 Just emailed our illustrious Speaker with the following:


Mr. Speaker,


If you want our support, you must give us yours. Do not cave. It is not "revenue", it's "tax hikes".



*shrug*



Pissing up a rope most likely, but it's something.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:15 PM (da5Wo)

120 You really think they give a shit about what the "rubes" think?
Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (da5Wo)


No, of course not. But they're surrounded by flunkies who tell them every day that their farts smell like bakery fresh cinammon rolls. It would do the fuckers good to have some cold water thrown in their faces.

But who cares? I left the GOP. Fucksticks are dead to me. Go ahead and cave, Weepy Boy. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (zF6Iw)

121 111
>400 billion in cuts that start in 10 years, which means they will never happen.
we need 400billion in cuts every year Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:12 PM (8sCoq)
There will not be any cuts. No one in Washington, who only live to pander and get reelected, will ever cut anything. The majority want more, not less, from Government. It Will Burn.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (BoE3Z)

122 I understand the doubts for Bawling Boehner, but he has remained firm so far. Perish the thought, of course, that I am getting my hopes up that he will stay so firm.

Posted by: eureka! at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (HPRku)

123 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 29, 2012 12:03 PM (v8RoL)

Tell Boehner to stick to fiscal conservative principles and that no matter what he agrees to, Obama's MO is to blame Bush and republicans.

Rush just said that TFG wants a recession to remake this country into a welfare state, add that you believe he has always said he wanted to fundamentally transform this country, but not in a good way.

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (z4WKX)

124 You know what might be useful?

Someone in our leadership mentioning that we can't take care of more than a fraction of the deficit through tax cuts, even if we wanted to, and explaining why.

This would take a grand total of two minutes.

Just an idea.

Posted by: AD at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (nqQj1)

125
I'm already pissed and I'm going to have to watch theseRepublicrat traitors sell us down the river for the rest of my life. This is disgusting.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:16 PM (1Y+hH)

126 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:14 PM (4df7R)

Actualy, the Government is the only entity that does MAKE money.... oh.... wait... crap....

That would be the Federal Reserve wouldn't it....

Forgot, the Constitution has not mattered for a long time...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:17 PM (lZBBB)

127

firm + Boehner


really??

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:17 PM (0UP8T)

128 What is the "revenue" Boehner speaks of, where does it come from? Who in the hell uses that word?

Posted by: reality man at November 29, 2012 12:17 PM (L2x1w)

129 'Revenue' is TAXES!

Posted by: Soylent Green at November 29, 2012 12:17 PM (Hybzj)

130
I understand the doubts for Bawling Boehner, but he has remained firm so far.


That's kind of his M.O. though isn't it? He looks like he's got a spine for a while then.........

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:18 PM (KXm42)

131
Boehner called the current deal "way out of balance."





Important elements of kabuki include the mie, in which the actor holds a picturesque pose to establish his character.

At this point his house name is sometimes heard in loud shout from an expert audience member, serving both to express and enhance the audience's appreciation of the actor's achievement.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 12:18 PM (kdS6q)

132 anyone got Boneheads email addy?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:19 PM (lZBBB)

133 one for the whining motherfuckers who will never be satisfied with anything ever.

By what argument should anybody be satisfied with John Boehner? Because he says he doesn't like this deal right now. Big deal. His record sucks.

Pretending he suddenly is going to grow a spine is lunacy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:19 PM (ytax8)

134 So, when is the world supposed to end? This next month sometime?

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:19 PM (xXhWA)

135 They will raise taxes on the rich, which they will avoid, and take deductions away (or limit them) from the middle class where the massive revenue lies.

They'll probably start with the mortgage deduction and stick a knife right into the heart of the middle class. I don't see why anyone with millions of dollars buys a million dollar home with anything but cash -- except for the huge right-off of mortgage interest and real estate taxes. So I don't have a particular concern with there being a cap on the deduct-ability of interest. They actually can still afford a home. Not so the middle class.

If the Republicans sell out for too low a number though, I'm through with them.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 29, 2012 12:19 PM (feFL6)

136 NY and NJ are requesting 80 billiion in aidso there goes about 1/10th of potential future faux cuts.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 12:19 PM (m2CN7)

137

Now I'm positive that Rush reads my comments.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (I87cK)

138 Boner has remained firm

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (xXhWA)

139 Important elements of kabuki include the mie, in which the actor holds a picturesque pose to establish his character.

At
this point his house name is sometimes heard in loud shout from an
expert audience member, serving both to express and enhance the
audience's appreciation of the actor's achievement.


So Japanese people have pretty much been this weird from the get go.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (KXm42)

140 I don't have time for the sausage-making. So give me the short version:

Do we hate Boehner more, less or the same as before?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

141 Why the F' am I reading about this now?

"As the financial system melted down in the fall of 2008, the Treasury Department gave the nation's biggest banks billions in new capital. Was it all necessary? No, says the former FDIC chief in her new book."

That's a Sept 20 Fortune story. I didn't see any of the rightie blogs mention this once.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (JEpGb)

142 Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:18 PM (KXm42)

Yeah.... Boehner looks stiff, and upright... but just can't seem to go the distance....

Maybe he should talk to Bob Dole? I seem to remember a commercial where he talked about somthing that might help...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (lZBBB)

143 His forcefulness brought a tear to my eye.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 29, 2012 12:21 PM (X/+QT)

144 Boner has remained firm

Also know as Denise Milani Syndrome.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:21 PM (KXm42)

145 It's unfortunate Boehner Has no credibility, and That the GOP decided to keep Him in place also makes their credibility suspect.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 12:22 PM (hX8cq)

146 Perhaps the Enzyte guy is available as speaker?

Posted by: catman at November 29, 2012 12:22 PM (NYdB8)

147 The MD/DC/NoVA morons need to descend on Boner's office and take off ALL THEIR CLOTHES and then maybe we'll see some action!

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

148 Do we hate Boehner more, less or the same as before? Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (TOk1P) The longer he's sepaker the more it pisses me off. It's like, "still?"

Posted by: the lone lemon at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (xXhWA)

149 Let's remember, Obama campaigned that he would make some (unspecified) cuts. Now it's time to specify the cuts. If he can't/won't specify what is to be cut, then he lied during the campaign (of course). He should have to wear that like an albatross during these negotiations. Every Republican should start off comments re: negotiations by pointing out that Obama is a liar who promised cuts, and now he's not delivering. People who voted for Obama voted for those cuts.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (Ccb6f)

150 132 -

screwu@ushouse.gov

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (TOk1P)

151 Perhaps the Enzyte guy is available as speaker?

He's too busy.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (KXm42)

152 I'm going Libertarian Party from now on.

Hell, legalized drugs won't do as much damage to the country as this mess. It won't be long before they start pulling more votes than the GOP.

Posted by: Paladin at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (DPvCq)

153 Posted by: Soylent Green at November 29, 2012 12:17 PM (Hybzj)

Harry Harrison, the author whose book "Make Room! Make Room!" inspired the movie Soylent Green, died a couple of months ago.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (Hx5uv)

154 Seeing as our side is out of power nationally, I'd entertain ideas of a good course of action to follow - besides watching it burn, of course, which is inevitable.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:24 PM (BoE3Z)

155 >Do we hate Boehner more, less or the same as before?


same. he's a spineless quisling who knows that he'll be re-elected in perpetuity by his constituents, so all he has to do is wear a nice suit and go thru the motions

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (8sCoq)

156
Its all a mirage, it has already been decided. Each side agrees to just ramp it up into a "crisis", so they can once again bone the middle class, wherin the elitists get to keep theirs, and the wealth transfer goes to the poor. But they get to pretend to be heroes for compromising and thereby saving us from the terrible 'fiscal bump'.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (n/ubI)

157 Expecting spending cuts from a guy who hugely expanded spending is irrational. That's like believing a guy who says he'll 'cut the deficit' after he spent 3 years adding more to it than any President in history. Oh. wait.

Posted by: wargasmguy at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (uEm7J)

158 Harry Harrison, the author whose book "Make Room! Make Room!" inspired the movie Soylent Green, died a couple of months ago.

Is he available in paste form?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (evdj2)

159 maybe Boehner is like The Who, and 'won't get fooled again'. Maybe not


meanwhile, you could support him publicly, complain to him privately, and stop whining and moaning like bitches.



Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (Dll6b)

160 GOP's involvement with Bad faith dealing with Democrats in DC and will eventually lead to to secession of States that recognize the fiscal realities of being united to stinking rotting corpse of the socialist federal government. The liability of union at this point has exceeded the benefit of separation.

In what world is life in a group of United States with a future determined by a collective totalitarian redistributionist government, where misery is shared equally (except by those who have positioned themselves as our "betters"), preferable to a singular state where free people have an opportunity to enjoy the fruits of liberty?

A free people are not impressed by the monuments in DC that have so many self evident truths inscribed upon them; on the contrary, those monuments are seen as tombs, the whitewashed sepulcres for the truths that are dead to many of the representatives in DC and to most of those in the country that they represent.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (qs9G3)

161 Perhaps the Enzyte guy is available as speaker?

Do you mean Bob? I kinda miss him. The ladies liked him a lot, and he was always smiling.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (lOmbq)

162 He should have to wear that like an albatross during
these negotiations. Every Republican should start off comments re:
negotiations by pointing out that Obama is a liar who promised cuts, and
now he's not delivering. People who voted for Obama voted for those
cuts.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (Ccb6f)


ahah only hing Obama is made to wear is a halo, with a dollop of crown of thorns, and clean shoes for licking.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (hX8cq)

163 Yes, let's bash the heads of the one group of Republicans who didn't get their ass handed to them this election.

Posted by: elizabethe at November 29, 2012 12:26 PM (oU9pV)

164 Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:23 PM (TOk1P)

I ask because his website wants a LOT of personal information before it will give you the address....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:26 PM (lZBBB)

165
Even "Let It Burn" is disappointing. The Republicratshave figured out the European method that will allow things to smolder for decades.

We have no answer for the troika of Republicans, Democrats and Media that is sending us down the toilet. They make a formidable team.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (1Y+hH)

166 Every Republican should start off comments re:
negotiations by pointing out that Obama is a liar who promised cuts, and
now he's not delivering. People who voted for Obama voted for those
cuts.Posted by: Daryl Herbert


As others have pointed out the GOP failed to do anything about promised cuts after the '82 and the '92 tax hikes.

The GOP has been a silent partner in the DEM's spending plans.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (JEpGb)

167

This is why I listen to Rush and Glenn.

They're not reactionaries and ranters like Levin and Hannity and the AoS commenters.

Rush and Glenn identify the problem, recognizes what the Democrats are doing and what they'll do next, and then devise a plan to resolve it.

I'm so sick of the bitching and idle chatter. You want change? Do something.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (zum6t)

168 Harry Harrison, the author whose book "Make Room! Make Room!" inspired the movie Soylent Green, died a couple of months ago.

Oh was that the Stainless Steel Rat guy? I didn't know Soylent Green was his.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (KXm42)

169 Rush just said to walk away from this bull so that Obama owns it, and no republican fingerprints are on it. in addition to destroying the country, he wants to destroy what remains of the republican party.

Thanks to all the ignorant and those willing to vote for him not just once but twice!
I agree, let's split country in three. Libs can have northeast. We'll go south.

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (z4WKX)

170 O'Bumbles=Lucy, Republicans=Charlie Brown, Football=Spending Cuts. Some assembly required. It is full speed ahead for Socialism. But rest assured, O'Bumbles will be the first to do it right! <sarc>

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (ndlFj)

171 152 -

I could go for a policy of legal drugs AND NOT ONE DIME OF FEDERAL FUNDS for drug treatment.

And I generally don't mind drug laws being what they are, but I'd give that up if this were the trade.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (TOk1P)

172 meanwhile, you could support him publicly, complain to him privately, and stop whining and moaning like bitches.





Posted by: wound my heart with a monontous langour at November 29, 2012 12:25 PM (Dll6b)



Thanks for your concern.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (da5Wo)

173 Boy, we got some pissy little shits around today. You don't like it around here? No one's holding a gun to your head forcing you to type in ace.mu.nu

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:29 PM (da5Wo)

174 Boehner has had plenty of chances to stand his ground and has failed every time, while trying to play off his failures as successes for the people. Meanwhile we keep getting it up the ass. I'm done with him.

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at November 29, 2012 12:29 PM (MwpNJ)

175 I live in a 1) blue county in a 2) blue Congressional district in a 3) blue state with 2 Dem Senators and a Dem governor


my voice is not heard

but my taxes go up, my home value craters, and Dec 29 is my last day at work

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:29 PM (8sCoq)

176 If I remember correctly, the last time Boehner had a handshake budget deal, Barry came back at the last minute with a deal-breaking condition. It's hard for me to fault the Republicans for bargaining in good faith with people who will lie, cheat, and double-deal without missing a beat in order to destroy their political opponents. And if it requires the spilling of blood, well, if that's what it takes... See Rice, Benghazi. and Obama, UN

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 12:30 PM (HjPtV)

177 132 anyone got Boneheads email addy?
Do a search for speaker gov and it will take it to his website, that's what I did.

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 12:30 PM (z4WKX)

178
Yes, let's bash the heads of the one group of Republicans who didn't get their ass handed to them this election.
Posted by: elizabethe





Lost net 8 seats in what was supposed to be a Republican wave year, even with additional seats reapportioned toward Red states.

Ass somewhat handed.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 12:31 PM (kdS6q)

179
Yep, unfortunately the let it burn and the make it burn camp (both of which are preferable) are going to get the slow burn for many years, the worst of all possible options for this country.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 12:31 PM (n/ubI)

180 meanwhile, you could support him publicly, complain to him privately, and stop whining and moaning like bitches.

John Boehner sucks and shouldn't be speaker.

That isn't whining or moaning. It is a reasonable conclusion based upon the guy's record.

We have no private channel to John Boehner, nor would using it provide any pressure.

You are operating in some fantasy world.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:31 PM (kdfQ/)

181 Boehner's an idiot and should be summarily fired.

Posted by: Iggy at November 29, 2012 12:32 PM (5Cwv4)

182 Harry Harrison, the author whose book "Make Room! Make Room!" inspired the movie Soylent Green, died a couple of months ago.

Oh was that the Stainless Steel Rat guy? I didn't know Soylent Green was his.

---

That's him alright.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 12:32 PM (Hx5uv)

183 140 I don't have time for the sausage-making. So give me the short version:

Do we hate Boehner more, less or the same as before?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:20 PM (TOk1P)



You can't go wrong by hating more. Which I find works pretty well for damn near any situation.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2012 12:32 PM (b+dLf)

184 I'm so sick of the bitching and idle chatter. You want change? Do something.Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (zum6t)




It's nice to know we can depend on you to set a good example.



What are you doing, anyway?

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:33 PM (1Y+hH)

185 Yep, unfortunately the let it burn and the make it burn camp (both of
which are preferable) are going to get the slow burn for many years, the
worst of all possible options for this country.


We're all Centralia, PA now.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:33 PM (KXm42)

186 We're all Centralia, PA now.
Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:33 PM (KXm42)


Feels more like it's fictionalized counterpart, though.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:34 PM (4df7R)

187 Found his address..... sent this...

Sir, with respect.

The entire Government can spend no money WITHOUT the say so of the House of Representatives. You have the whip hand.


Understand that this tax increase, with no IMMEDIATE spending cuts, will kill what is left of the economy.


You have a choice... you can cave and be seen as a Hero to the Media, and the Left... or you can stand... and potentially save this Country.


YOU are the one who negotiated us into this position.... now I am sorry to say YOU need to be the one to fix it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:34 PM (lZBBB)

188 End food stamps as we know it. If you're qualified for food stamps, then you'll be provided with a "basic nutrition survival pak" each week to be distributed by grocery stores.

It probably will NOT contain lobster or steaks...or pricy brand name products...which I have seen being bought with EBT cards many times.

The distribution of actual food guarantees balanced sufficient nutrition, and eliminates ALL product fraud, where some merchants ring up non-qualifying items with a different code. Then all we're looking for is qualification fraud.

Want to cure the obesity problem? Here you go -- provide the food.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 12:34 PM (FfbyM)

189 Soylent Green, is that served with red wine or white? *jots note to ask miss. manners*

Posted by: Mr. Know it All at November 29, 2012 12:35 PM (uJK1E)

190 Boehner is in this for the same reason Obama and Cantor are in this- POWER. He does not care about us or conservative ideals.

Posted by: Baldy at November 29, 2012 12:35 PM (opS9C)

191 nov 8th



Boehner also said that once he saw that Mitt Romney would lose the race
for the White House, he went to sleep at about 11:15 p.m. on election
night with the realization that he would wake up to divided government,
but still "slept like a baby."


"I may not like the five cards that have been dealt to me, but those are
the cards I've got in my hand, and my job on behalf of the American
people is to find a way to vote with my Democratic colleagues and a
Democratic president to solve America's problems," he said. "If there
was one mandate that came out of the election, it was find a way to work
together to address our problems."

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 12:36 PM (hX8cq)

192 Soylent Green, is that served with red wine or white? *jots note to ask miss. manners*
Posted by: Mr. Know it All at November 29, 2012 12:35 PM (uJK1E)


Typically it's served with a lush red wine, to enhance the flavor. It's also a festive must at Christmas get-togethers.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:36 PM (4df7R)

193 179

Yep, unfortunately the let it burn and the make it burn camp (both
of which are preferable) are going to get the slow burn for many years,
the worst of all possible options for this country.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 29, 2012 12:31 PM (n/ubI)
America has been on the Long March of Socialism since FDR (and Wilson, for that matter). It goes in fits and starts. Sometimes noticeable, other times not so much. The Marxist who rules us speeded up the process, and is open about it because he knows he can get by with it.The truth seems to be that we've tipped into a place where nationally an urban majority like what he's pushing. That's why we have to separate from them, if we care about preserving the remains of a country that is not hard Left. Just my take.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:36 PM (BoE3Z)

194 Should we just send Boehner a copy of Bob Woodward's book about the LAST time they went through this circus? Because it's exactly the same thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 12:37 PM (4df7R)

195
"End food stamps as we know it. If you're qualified for food stamps, then you'll be provided with a "basic nutrition survival pak" each week to be distributed by grocery stores."


That's coming later, for everyone. For now, food stampers go to the grocery, buy a single grape for 2 cents, and pay for it with a $100 EBT card. Then they walk to their dealer and/or the booze store with the $99.98 inchange.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:37 PM (1Y+hH)

196
Soylent Green, is that served with red wine or white? *jots note to ask miss. manners*


The cannibals in SA call us "long pig" so choose accordingly.

Though there may be some kelp type additives in there too.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:38 PM (KXm42)

197 164 -

Sorry I was being flippant, but it should be: boehner@house.gov

I just checked, and he does want info if you go through his webpage, but I would have to think anybody can send it from any email address/program without using his access point.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 29, 2012 12:38 PM (TOk1P)

198 so Boehner believes Obama's winning was a referendum on being bi partisan re the progressive party

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 12:38 PM (hX8cq)

199 @ 189 - Boone's Farm Strawberry Kiwi. It kills the gamey flavor.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:38 PM (XkQL7)

200
Soylent Green, is that served with red wine or white?
Posted by: Mr. Know it All



Soylent Green is supposed to be made with plankton, so white.

But word is it goes surprisingly well with red too...

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 12:38 PM (kdS6q)

201 Walk away Boehner! Walk away.
Make them present a budget. Then pass it.

Posted by: Iblis at November 29, 2012 12:39 PM (9221z)

202 Soylent Green, is that served with red wine or white?>>

I believe it is served with a fortified wine Preferably Mad Dog 20/20.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 29, 2012 12:40 PM (tf9Ne)

203 Tax cuts in 20 years? Tax increases now?

IOW this is the same thing as LIB.

Agree to it, Boehner!

Posted by: PJ at November 29, 2012 12:40 PM (ZWaLo)

204 Thunderbird is your best choice for Soylent Green.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 12:40 PM (FfbyM)

205 I sent my Congresscritter a rant - NO COMPROMISE, balance the budget, no new revenues, no new spending.

Posted by: wargasmguy at November 29, 2012 12:40 PM (uEm7J)

206 I'm so sick of the bitching and idle chatter. You want change? Do something.

You're right, let's do something. We can start with realizing the futility of constantly trying to pull republicans back to the right and vote for people who are already there - http://www.lp.org/issues/taxes

Posted by: booger at November 29, 2012 12:41 PM (HI6wa)

207 It would be slightly satisfying to send the Speaker a million hankies.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:41 PM (1Y+hH)

208 191 "If there was one mandate that came out of the election, it was find a way to work together to address our problems."

I could have sworn the electorate overwhelmingly endorsed gridlock, myself. Anyone actually seeking or desiring bipartisan compromise of any fashion never could have pulled the level for President Obama.

How many folks voted for the SCoaMT and split the ticket and returned their Republican representative to the House? We need to ascertain what that number was somehow.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 12:41 PM (hNXHo)

209 "Mr President, you campaigned on having 'a plan' to fix the economy. Well, let's see it. The actual details this time, not just talking points and strawman arguments.

"I'll be in my office waiting for your call."

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:41 PM (8sCoq)

210 Aaand I just wiped my eye after chopping a jalapeno for Pico de Gallo.

Nice job, dumbass.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:42 PM (XkQL7)

211 That's why we have to separate from them, if we care about preserving the remains of a country that is not hard Left. Just my take.
Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:36 PM (BoE3Z)---- I agree but can not conceive of a bloodless solution

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 29, 2012 12:43 PM (R8hU8)

212 "By what argument should anybody be satisfied with John Boehner?"

And yet he remains. Apparently our representatives are satisfied with him, seeing as they've done nothing whatsoever to replace him. Boehner keeps the job, quite literally, from force of habit.

And all those Tea Party firebrands seem perfectly content to marginalize themselves via the stupid seniority system which gave us the GOP we have today. Thanks, guys.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 29, 2012 12:43 PM (T3KlW)

213 >I'm so sick of the bitching and idle chatter. You want change? Do something.


you mean like donating money, writing letters, and campaigning for the other guy? Tried that. All summer and into the fall, right up to Election Day. Didn't work.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:44 PM (8sCoq)

214 Those of you bitching about something that hasn't happened yet need to get your stories straight.

A third of you seem to want the GOP to just give Obama what he's asking for so he can own it, let it burn.

Another third of you want them to hold out to the point of shutting down the government to try and get spending cuts without "revenue" (tax) increases.

The other third of you seem to want both.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 12:44 PM (SY2Kh)

215
210
Aaand I just wiped my eye after chopping a jalapeno for Pico de Gallo.



Nice job, dumbass.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:42 PM (XkQL7)



And then took the time to comment on it. You sir, are a True Moron.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 12:44 PM (da5Wo)

216 How about Richard's Wild Irish Rose?

Although that's not so much wine as it is over-proofed cough syrup.

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:45 PM (XkQL7)

217 I will gladly pay you in 20 years, for Tax increases today...

Posted by: J. Wellington Wimpy, Obama Admin Negotiator at November 29, 2012 12:45 PM (lZBBB)

218 And the Kabuki Theatre continues as the Titanic sinks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 29, 2012 12:45 PM (bxLgY)

219 ...and take off ALL THEIR CLOTHES and then maybe we'll see some action!

Are the Moron's around DC especially hawt?

Posted by: Paladin at November 29, 2012 12:46 PM (DPvCq)

220 211
That's why we have to separate from them, if we care about preserving
the remains of a country that is not hard Left. Just my take.
Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:36 PM (BoE3Z)---- I agree but can not conceive of a bloodless solution

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 29, 2012 12:43 PM (R8hU
I agree back atcha'. I don't like it one bit either. Unfortunately, I see blood either way. We have a rogue government with the likelihood of more regimes like that to follow. A classic misdirection ploy of their ilk is to sic their followers on "the other" when their shit policies cause problems. And we would be "the other". I'm just talking survival, really.























Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:47 PM (BoE3Z)

221 According to the CBO, the per recipient food stamp expenditure is about $4.30/day.

With actual nutritionists making the choices and buying in bulk for my "survival pak" idea, at least $1.50/day could be knocked off that expenditure...or somewhere in the range of 1/3.

A 1/3 reduction of SNAP costs, while providing SUPERIOR ACTUAL DELIVERY OF NUTRITION, is a win-win.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 12:47 PM (FfbyM)

222 @ 215 - I am humbled and honored. *bows*

Posted by: ErikW on the damned phone at November 29, 2012 12:47 PM (XkQL7)

223 "And the Kabuki Theatre continues as the Titanic sinks"

Hey, we're not sinking - we're steaming.

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (HjPtV)

224 OMG Romney dining with the JEF

If he comes out and say support the president I may choke.


The JEF means to Cloward-Piven the USA and I am beyond tired of our betters clucking their tongus and saying he means well. He does NOT mean well. He means to take us down. I am tired of pretending otherwise

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (Dnbau)

225 He's making the right mouth-sounds. I'll believe it when I see it.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (uR7BD)

226

Rush's last segment was great. He laid it all out beautifully.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (eG4bU)

227 214 Those of you bitching about something that hasn't happened yet need to get your stories straight.

Can't we want a new leader? Failing that, a new party?

What evidence indicates that John Boehner has suddenly changed from being a terrible negotiator to a good one?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (pmDdf)

228 The other third of you seem to want both.Posted by: Hollowpoint

Enlighten us, oh great wizard. What should be the object of our hope?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (JEpGb)

229 Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 12:47 PM (FfbyM)

My guess is that there is also a WHOLE lot of fraud going on....

When I see people using foodstamp cards in the supermarket, then go out and get in a better car than mine?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (lZBBB)

230 Those of you bitching about something that hasn't happened yet need to get your stories straight.

A third of you seem to want the GOP to just give Obama what he's asking for so he can own it, let it burn.

Another third of you want them to hold out to the point of shutting down the government to try and get spending cuts without "revenue" (tax) increases.

The other third of you seem to want both.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 12:44 PM (SY2Kh) ___ ____ ____ ___ _ ___ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___ ___ _ _ That's because we know in the end we will get a nothing-burger of an agreement that will kick the can on down the road.Which means the Republican and Democrat politicians win again. They truly are on the same team.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (1Y+hH)

231 A 1/3 reduction of SNAP costs, while providing SUPERIOR ACTUAL DELIVERY OF NUTRITION, is a win-win.

We're sorry, good ideas are not being accepted at this time.

We thank you for your participation.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (KXm42)

232 This is why I listen to Rush and Glenn.



They're not reactionaries and ranters like Levin and Hannity and the AoS commenters.



Rush and Glenn identify the problem, recognizes what the Democrats
are doing and what they'll do next, and then devise a plan to resolve
it.



I'm so sick of the bitching and idle chatter. You want change? Do something.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:27 PM (zum6t)


Not sure if this is just being cutesy or actually serious, that's how far removed from reality this statement is.



Rush and Beck 'identifying' things doesn't do a thing to change what they've identified. And what, pray tell, are their plans you speak of? Write to your Congressman, as though they listen to you? Demonstrate with a march on D.C.? Impressive visually, actual change effected? A few million folks taking the day off of work to be activists, whilst the Dems continue their federally-funded 24/7/365 agitating. Two if by Tea?



You seem to think we're catching the cancer in its early stages. We're not. You seem to think we're becoming aware of the invasion before the boats launch. They haven't just landed, they've set up base in our own territory.



This isn't the opening volley or second wind, this is the damn endgame. It's a little late for reaction and contingencies.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (b8JJF)

233 >The other third of you seem to want both.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 12:44 PM (SY2Kh)

I want SMOD. All our problems solved in one brilliant flash of light.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (8sCoq)

234 Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (KXm42)

We're sorry, but we must continue to give out money so they different ethnicities can choose what food they wish to buy....

Can't be Racist after all....

Posted by: Obama Admin at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (lZBBB)

235 227
214 Those of you bitching about something that hasn't happened yet need to get your stories straight.



Can't we want a new leader? Failing that, a new party?



What evidence indicates that John Boehner has suddenly changed from being a terrible negotiator to a good one?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 12:48 PM (pmDdf)
Meh, don't know about any of that. What I'm dealing with is a total loss of faith in failed leadership. And a deep, deep cynicism.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 12:51 PM (BoE3Z)

236 Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 12:50 PM (b8JJF)

Yeah.... maybe if we do a Million person March in DC! With TEA Partiers...

Oh.... wait.... /media downplay, and crickets

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:52 PM (lZBBB)

237 My guess is that there is also a WHOLE lot of fraud going on....

When I see people using foodstamp cards in the supermarket, then go out and get in a better car than mine?
Posted by: Romeo13 at November 29, 2012 12:49 PM (lZBBB)


I already do. Plus fake nails ($100 per visit), fake hair (up to $1,200 or more), multiple tattoos (no idea but not free), latest iphones, newer cars, and always in game stops buying new games ($60 a pop). But on food stamps. How does that work?


I denounce myself

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 12:52 PM (Dnbau)

238
Like liberals, the more our politicians fail us, the more we demand of them.

An exercise in futility.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (1Y+hH)

239
we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10

you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way


Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (eG4bU)

240 I want SMOD. All our problems solved in one brilliant flash of light.>>

I would like a smaller version that just takes out DC. Then rebuild the capitol in some barren part of Nebraska.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 29, 2012 12:54 PM (tf9Ne)

241 And I already did something. I shut down my business and retired early, cutting my income by 75% to protest this govt and do my part to starve the beast.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:54 PM (1Y+hH)

242 we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10

you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way


Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (eG4bU)


lets go off the cliff


when everybody's taxes skyrocket, there will be alot of foxhole conversions to conservatism

Posted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 12:55 PM (Dnbau)

243 Here's what I'd like the Republican House to do. I don't know if they can, and don't expect they will.

Change the way the government scores a cut. Change it to, if the government spends more money, that's an increase. For truth in advertising, sure, add in how many more people need the program, and the rate of inflation. Let people point out that the increase didn't keep pace.

But for the sake of this country as we know it, get rid of the system that scores holding the line at the current extreme level of bloat as a $9 trillion cut over the next decade.

Posted by: JPS at November 29, 2012 12:56 PM (b66w5)

244 I already do. Plus fake nails ($100 per visit), fake hair (up to $1,200 or more), multiple tattoos (no idea but not free), latest iphones, newer cars, and always in game stops buying new games ($60 a pop). But on food stamps. How does that work?


I denounce myselfPosted by: Thunderb at November 29, 2012 12:52 PM (Dnbau)Saw this a lot when my partner was a property manager. They would pull up in Escalades to pay their $22 monthly rent that was their portion after Section paid the rest.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:56 PM (1Y+hH)

245 The MD/DC/NoVA morons need to descend on Boner's office and take off ALL THEIR CLOTHES and then maybe we'll see some action!


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 12:22 PM (8sCoq)

Hey, I'm gonna be in DC tomorrow anyway. And wearing pants is a bullshit oppression by the kyriarchy.

If seeing a pair of actual balls encourages Boehner's to magically appear, well...bonus.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 29, 2012 12:57 PM (P47hr)

246
we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10



you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way







Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (eG4bU)


This has nothing to do with the idiotic whims of the populace.

It has everything to do with what national leadership is doing with the time the idiotic whims of the populace have granted them.

They have the time they need now, in this economic climate, in the world theatre, to effect changes that basically seal the deal. The flightiness of the American electorate is no longer an issue - the Left eked out a necessary victory, and the Republicans lack the force of character and conviction to actually fight in a meaningful way.


Hence, endgame.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 12:57 PM (b8JJF)

247 we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10



you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way


For me it felt like this was our last hope of fixing shit before the point of no return.

Now were past that point. Even if we won the election there was still soooo much to put right.

Maybe I'm just being a pessimist. ::shrug::

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (KXm42)

248 we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10

you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way


Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 12:53 PM (eG4bU)___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___There's your whole problem right there. Voters may be split 51/49, but our politicians are against us 90/10.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (1Y+hH)

249 Jones in CO and Buzzsam, one already hit. 35 million years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/11/1113_chesapeakcrater.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 29, 2012 12:58 PM (bxLgY)

250
we're split 51/49, but you guys act like it's 90/10
you carry on as if the pendulum will never again swing the other way
Posted by: soothsayer




A comprehensive analysis of the last 20 years worth of Presidential elections. Over that period, the Republicans:

Got their asses kicked four times

Won two narrow single state victories, one of which had to be resolved in the Supreme Court

That's what folks round here call a trend.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (kdS6q)

251 "I may not like the five cards that have been dealt to me, but those are

the cards I've got in my hand


The proper course of action for that situation is to "FOLD". You don't play with shit cards. Know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em, as the song goes.

Posted by: Paladin at November 29, 2012 01:00 PM (DPvCq)

252 I say Boehner should say ,'ok here's you revenue, you will recieve the funds for Obamacare , because you won, that's it'

how much money will that bring in a year?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (hX8cq)

253 Know when to run....

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 01:01 PM (KXm42)

254 OBAMA going on 3 week $4M vacation,

suck it, proles

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 29, 2012 01:03 PM (8sCoq)

255 My foodstamp "reform" plan saves about $24B a year, provides better nutrition, eliminates one variation of fraud, AND could be used to eliminate the separate overhead required for administration of school lunch programs. Deliver food for the kins lunches in the basic surval paks.

Any family qualifying for school lunch, would be getting food stamps too. Roll the two together.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:07 PM (FfbyM)

256 Enlighten us, oh great wizard. What should be the object of our hope?

Acknowledging reality would be a start.

That reality is that the Dems control the presidency and Senate, and the schizophrenic voting public wants a "balanced" approach. But only if there's no chance it will affect them or the spending programs they like.

That's who elected officials in the GOP have to answer to. Meanwhile, their base can't decide what they want them to do. Anything done today can be undone in two years if the GOP loses the House.

The idealistic, naive view that if only the GOP leadership would fight fight FIGHT, they'd be able to somehow get massive spending cuts, tax cuts, and ponies for all? Not reality.

That doesn't mean they need to completely roll over and cave, but the No Compromise Take No Prisoners crowd needs to face the fact that negotiations do, in reality, entail negotiation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:08 PM (SY2Kh)

257 "Hence, endgame."

Sheesh. That's a song that's been sung since 1776. When I was a lad during the Cuban Missile Crisis, there was a neighborhood meeting in our house one night and the topic of discussion was what to do in case of a nuclear strike (we lived in a town near Detroit). I recall subdued voices, questions concerning blast effects and the availability of food, water, etc. I asked my Dad a few weeks ago why everyone came over to our place, and he told me that we had the only basement for blocks. Heh.

Do not take counsel of your fears. Be not afraid.

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (HjPtV)

258 But only if there's no chance it will affect them or the spending programs they like.

This is what happens when you build a coalition of about 20 different competing grievance groups as Obama did.

He built a machine to win elections...not one capable of governing.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (FfbyM)

259 Boehner has to give one option and none other. If TFG and Reid do not agree, walk away. Let them OWN it!

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 01:12 PM (z4WKX)

260
Sheesh. That's a song that's been sung since
1776. When I was a lad during the Cuban Missile Crisis, there was a
neighborhood meeting in our house one night and the topic of discussion
was what to do in case of a nuclear strike (we lived in a town near
Detroit). I recall subdued voices, questions concerning blast effects
and the availability of food, water, etc. I asked my Dad a few weeks ago
why everyone came over to our place, and he told me that we had the
only basement for blocks. Heh.

Do not take counsel of your fears. Be not afraid.


Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 01:10 PM (HjPtV)


God bless you for your optimism, sir/madam, but this is deterioration from within, not a threat from without. This attack comes from our own leadership, and indeed half of our own populace, who enable tyrants with their apathy.

I respectfully disagree, I think this is a very different situation.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 01:13 PM (b8JJF)

261
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 29, 2012 01:08 PM (SY2Kh)

___ ___ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___

That could be humorous in a movie or something. In real life, not so much.


Good luck everyone, it's a nice day in the mountains, and I'm going to enjoy it.

Posted by: Meremortal, run...it's burning! at November 29, 2012 01:17 PM (1Y+hH)

262 "God bless you for your optimism, sir/madam, but this is deterioration from within, not a threat from without"

We survived the Alien and Sedition Act, the election of 1800, the Hartford Convention, Aaron Burr's conspiracies, Bleeding Kansas, the Dred Scott Decision, Harper's Ferry, and all of those occurred before the American Civil War

Like other commenters have noted before, 2012 was a 51-49 election. This fight ain't over, not by a long shot.

Posted by: mrp at November 29, 2012 01:29 PM (HjPtV)

263 I'm sick with stomach bug so I'm stuck in the house.
Now Rush is repeating what he said in October 2008, they might go after 401(k) plans, either stop letting people deduct taxes to contributions or taking away our 401(k)s over and I will go ballistic! I don't care about tax deduction, but not government is taking my $!!!
Rush said its on cover of Time and it was in an IBD editorial last night.
Do you want me to insert tiny url?

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (z4WKX)

264 Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 01:31 PM (z4WKX)
___
This is not a new idea. There was an article about this right after preaze got immaculated the first time. Some female honcho in his admin thought it would be a great idea to nationalize our 401ks.

Ibet the latte and limo libs are loving this...

Posted by: kallisto at November 29, 2012 01:38 PM (jm/9g)

265 Argentine nationalized their version of the 401k, look at them now. That is our future.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 29, 2012 01:41 PM (bxLgY)

266 F*ck John Boehner. He's fooled us too many times. He'll start by talking tough. Soon enough, he'll have negotiated with himself to a position of "Okay, you can have your tax hikes. And how much more money would you like to spend on ObamaCare?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:55 AM (5DR1j)

This is the real problem, not his "negotiating with the President". Before he even *sees* the President he's talked himself down from about where the Horde would be happy to well below anything that will make a difference. And *then* he starts getting talked down further by the Dems.

Posted by: Polliwogette, still a Hobbit at November 29, 2012 01:44 PM (NYki8)

267 he'll cave, he always does...

Posted by: Shoey at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (jdOk/)

268 All of the world's advanced economies are swirling around the same black hole of default (formal or informal like devaluing their currency). Currently, Japan is probably in the lead with a yen crisis soon following as it appears that they can no longer self finance their deficit, the Euro project has staved off Grexit once again but the undertow from the internal austerity on the Mediterranean members keeps pulling the few strong economies downward. The idiotic policies of the new French government seems likely to hasten rather than retard this demolition derby. The U.S. is probably in third place but moving up fast--the failure of these talks will probably keep the sluggish economy barely above stall range but the oncoming Obamacare debacle will start dragging the U.S. economy into stall speed as 2014 approaches. China is a cipher with a massive real estate bubble and significant exposure to external economic risk due to the export driven economy. However, like the Japanese, the Chinese have massive foreign exchanges that may delay the fatal blow for a while. Make them fourth in line toward the black hole. Regarding India, Canada, Australia, Brazil, Russia, OPEC, and the like, as the economies of the EU and US go, they will follow. Trade shrivels when importing countries can't afford or doesn't demand imported goods.

At this point, people need to seriously prepare for economic disruptions, just like preparing for hurricanes and the like. I am betting that total societal collapse is unlikely but stagnation and decline with increased disorder is highly possible. For pointers, read good economic and social histories of Argentina to get an idea of what may be coming economically and politically.

Posted by: wg at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (RtxiC)

269 Rush's last segment was great. He laid it all out beautifully.

I missed it. Which one of your posts was he reading?

Posted by: garrett at November 29, 2012 01:46 PM (OAbmF)

270 Memo from January 2013, if the republicans LIB:

Dear IRS,

You are hearby given the discretion to only enforce middle class income taxes at rates up to the 2012 levels. Please focus your enforcement activities on collecting the new rates for those making 250K and above.

Signed,

Barack Obama

(If he can implement the dream act via EO, why not the middle class tax cut?)

Posted by: Stirner at November 29, 2012 01:47 PM (Ytuz8)

271 Posted by: kallisto at November 29, 2012 01:38 PM (jm/9g)
I know it's an old idea, at least since before SCOAMF was elected first time.
Did anyone read Byron York's piece that the libs want to give people a guaranteed income? they really are nuts! Liberalism is a disease.

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 01:51 PM (z4WKX)

272 The whole way we're framing this is pathetic. Sometimes, when you're the poodle party, you have to do things like raise taxes that you know won't work for the express purpose of making the opposition party look as hapless and incompetent as they are. At this point, the only thing that will save this country is an excess of Democratic incompetence.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 29, 2012 01:58 PM (E55AK)

273 Rush is always great. I listen every day. When I work really late, I will play him a second time because it's hard to hear everything while working.

Go over to IBD editorials, I read one there yesterday, in the special series, about how Obama's education was paid, it was speculation but does make sense.

Posted by: CarolT at November 29, 2012 02:15 PM (z4WKX)

274 Maybe, just this once, Republicans were actually playing it smart where they pretended to be open to the idea of some big compromise but really were intending to "Let it burn" the whole time?

I know, I know, but I'm a naive optimist at heart.

Posted by: McAdams at November 29, 2012 02:28 PM (sxk7T)

275 @188, it's called "commodities". Indians still get them. Back before food stamps, you got brown bags full of basic food, canned meat and veggies, powdered milk and butter. They even had little booklets on how to make meals out of this stuff. It did involve cooking. Many people traded the stuff they didn't want to eat for other things. Then the grocers decided it would be really nice to get a cut of that federal money and the food stamp program was born. That's why you will not see it cut. It provides profits for the corporations that make packaged food and run grocery stores. It's the reason that they allowed EBT to be used for things like pizza.

Posted by: notsothoreau at November 30, 2012 12:20 AM (uPhCY)






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