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1 Fist!

Posted by: elmo at November 29, 2012 09:12 AM (jPVBi)

2 Dissolve Detroit? Sounds like the time is ripe to buy stock in hydrochloric acid!

BA-DUM-BUM! I'll be here all week, folks!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:17 AM (4df7R)

3 Figures...new thread as soon as I post in old one.

Posted by: DangerGirl - feeling empty at November 29, 2012 09:18 AM (sKHit)

4 I read that article about the incestuous bleeding of the GOP and I see... Opportunity...

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 09:19 AM (uR7BD)

5 Must Read: The Incestuous Bleeding Of The Republican Party


This is the same in every facet of life.

What the piece does not reveal is why this was inherently bad.

The assumption was -- they were all callous, greedy, associates who did not care if they won or lost because they got theirs.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:19 AM (LpQbZ)

6 Wouldn't it be more newsworthy to report when Lindsay Lohan ISN'T arrested?

I'm not going to read the story, but I assume the woman she punched was congratulating Lindsay on her "hilarious portrayal" of Liz Taylor in the "breathlessly funny comedy hit" about the late actress?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:20 AM (4df7R)

7
I doubt they will dissolve Detroit, not because it isn't a good thing to do, but because the rest of the county would then be on the hook for Detroit's problems.
So what if the city council and all that is dissolved. Those people would just get re-elected on the county level in the next election because the idiots in Detroit would vote for them again.
The city council in Pittsburgh floats this idea every few years. They want to merge with Allegheny county. The people in the county, like me, will never let it happen. I don't want my taxes to go up to pay for idiots who live in the city. I'm fine with my taxes paying for things in my community. I don't want to pay for their crap too, especially when so much of it is skimmed and wasted.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:20 AM (C2Y4l)

8 At the "Bend Over" article, apparent the deal is going to include "war savings." Lol. We're boned.

Posted by: wte9 at November 29, 2012 09:20 AM (RCQ1W)

9 Bend over, we're about to get fucked again

Again? When did it stop?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:21 AM (lOmbq)

10 No Denise?

Preparing myself mentally for the Outrage of the Day.

Posted by: grognard at November 29, 2012 09:21 AM (NS2Mo)

11 Former ACORN Honcho Wants To Unionize NYC Fast Food Workers
DISMANTLE AND DISBAND ALL UNIONS.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:21 AM (4df7R)

12 Whadd'ya mean--hold da pickles?

Posted by: your $20 Big Mac at November 29, 2012 09:22 AM (jPVBi)

13 “A lot of the big entitlement savings comes in the 10-20 year budget window, not the next 10 years,” a Democratic aide said while teeing up a football.

I may have added something to that quote.


Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 09:23 AM (QGyiB)

14 Bend over, we're about to get fucked again


Now you notice what's been going on?

Posted by: The Chicken at November 29, 2012 09:23 AM (+I8Mq)

15 I have stopped reading bullshit-laden anal-yses of Why Rombley Lost (or the related topic, What Republicans Must Do), and that goes double for any highfalutin' horsecrap spewed by "Redstate" or "Tepid Air."

If I want expert opinion that means absolutely nothing and is pulled out of someone's butt, I'll talk to myself.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 29, 2012 09:23 AM (yKUrR)

16 Bend Over, We're About To Get F***ed Again


Why is it that Newt is the only one making sense (again) these days...

Gingrich: House Republicans should stop negotiating with President Obama

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said Wednesday that House Republicans should stop negotiating with President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats on the fiscal cliff, saying that by doing so, they give Obama all of the leverage in the talks.

“One of the things I would say to House Republicans is to get a grip,” Gingrich said in a speech at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif.

“They are the majority. They’re not the minority,” he said, enunciating the words as if explaining the concept to someone who did not understand it. “They don’t need to cave in to Obama; they don’t need to form a ‘Surrender Caucus.’”

“So my number one bit of advice to the congressional Republicans is simple: Back out of of all of this negotiating with Obama. The president is overwhelmingly dominant in the news media. You start setting up the definition of success finding an agreement with Obama, you just gave Obama the ability to say to you, ‘Not good enough,’” Gingrich said.

The onetime presidential hopeful ridiculed the idea of the fiscal cliff, saying it was a manufactured crisis.


Go Newt.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:23 AM (LpQbZ)

17 California Pension Fund Sues Bankrupt City


And expects... what? That the city is miraculously going to find enough money to cover their pension obligations? Is San Bernardino going to discover that they have a HUGE couch -- really massive -- just sitting behind City Hall, and a quick rifle through the cushions is going to turn up the funds?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:25 AM (4df7R)

18 Whadd'ya mean--hold da pickles?

"Youse gotta go talk to da guy what's in charge of de pickles. Dat ain't my job."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:25 AM (lOmbq)

19 Guess Afghans don't take rejection well, hunh?

On second thought, I'm wondering why she was even asked. I thought it was all supposed to be arranged through the parents, like horse trading or sommat. I guess the influence of modernity really is beginning to show if they asked her opinion on the matter, so um.... progress?

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 09:27 AM (3ZtZW)

20
I thought "The Incestuous Bleeding..." article would link to yet another piece about the conservative's daily circular firing squad.

Oh...wait...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 29, 2012 09:27 AM (WwR1j)

21 I think this actually opens up wonderful opportunities, I myself, am going long in "Let It Burn" bumper stickers, maybe even get in on the trademarking...

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:27 AM (Vk2CC)

22 I'm onna break. Get lost.

Posted by: teamsters' pickle guy at November 29, 2012 09:27 AM (jPVBi)

23 17 Just confiscate private property like Obama did with GM and Chrysler investors. At least the public employees will survive. The proles...too bad you didn't get aboard the public gravy train.

Posted by: Dept of Accuracy at November 29, 2012 09:27 AM (+I8Mq)

24 You can always count on Erick Erickson to point at other people and tell you what they did wrong....after the election is over.
That from the guy who kept telling us how he never wanted Romney and made it his front page theme.

Piss off Erick you fat fuck.

Posted by: NeoKong at November 29, 2012 09:28 AM (w5v/W)

25 From the CK piece:

Analysts expect that the austerity crisis will weaken the economic recovery and quite possibly plunge the United States back into a recession. The CBO predicts that the U.S. economy will shrink by 0.5 percent in 2013, and unemployment will spike up to 9.1 percent from its current level of 7.9 percent, if no fix is passed. However, if all policies, including the payroll tax cut, are extended, the economy will grow 2.4 percent. Analysts at the Levy Economics Institute and Goldman Sachs have predicted even more dire outcomes.

So while liberals are correct that many of their preferred policies would likely kick in if the fiscal cliff is not averted, the problem is that when those policies kick in, the country will plunge back into a recession. At that point, it is likely that no amount of blaming Bush will be sufficient to avoid political fallout.



THIS is the let it burn strategy. Please, sir, can I have some more?

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:29 AM (LpQbZ)

26
McScribbler. I would agree, but read that article by Ericksson. It has nothing to do with Romney per se. He names names of consultants who made a fortune off the Romney campaign.

It's good to find out who screwed us over for profit so we can insist no candidate hire those people agian.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:30 AM (C2Y4l)

27 At that point, it is likely that no amount of blaming Bush will be sufficient to avoid political fallout.

This would be true if the American people weren't idiots.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:30 AM (4df7R)

28 Two lindseys in one morning news dump? Is that some kind of record?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 29, 2012 09:31 AM (3Y7RV)

29 Germany Changes Their Mind On Voting Against The Palestinian Bid



pu$$ies

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:31 AM (LpQbZ)

30 Jeffrey Lord has an article called "The Quisling Consultants" in the American Spectator.

It was reference in the last thread. Very good read, and spot on.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 29, 2012 09:32 AM (GoIUi)

31
I thought that "The Incestuous Bleeding..." article would link to yet another story about the Republicans doing something stoopid, yet again.
Oh...wait...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 29, 2012 09:32 AM (WwR1j)

32 At that point, it is likely that no amount of blaming Bush will be sufficient to avoid political fallout.

Cabbagecudgel is a smart man, but that sounds like wishful thinking. The "Republican intransigence" stories are already filed.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 09:34 AM (QGyiB)

33 27 This would be true if the American people weren't idiots.


It's worse. They are for the most part savages, barely hanging on to decent civil behavior and often crossing the line when they believe they can get away with it.

Posted by: Dept of Accuracy at November 29, 2012 09:34 AM (+I8Mq)

34 At that point, it is likely that no amount of blaming Bush will be sufficient to avoid political fallout.

This would be true if the American people weren't idiots.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:30 AM (4df7R)



Blaming Bush is good for at least four more years since my staff didn't recognize how bad the damage to our economy was under the Republican tax cutes for the rich and unpaid for wars!

Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (Cnqmv)

35 State Senator Floats Idea Of Dissolving Detroit Into Wayne County


Too many obamaPhones backing up the sewer system?

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (LpQbZ)

36 At that point, it is likely that no amount of blaming Bush will be sufficient to avoid political fallout.



This would be true if the American people weren't idiots.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:30 AM (4df7R)



Yep. No matter what happens the hapless Republicans will get the blame, the MFM will shriek 24/7 about the Republicans trying to prevent Prezzy Wonderful from saving the world and enough mouth breathing cretins will nod their empty heads in agreement

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (1Jaio)

37 EE is not the only one who made comments about the paid consultants getting rich off of the Republican Party and the Romney campaign.


He is not even the first.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (YdQQY)

38 On second thought, I'm wondering why she was even asked. I thought it was all supposed to be arranged through the parents, like horse trading or sommat. I guess the influence of modernity really is beginning to show if they asked her opinion on the matter, so um.... progress?

Not really. See, here's how the article starts:

A teenage girl was beheaded by a relative in northern Afghanistan after she turned down his marriage proposals, according to reports."

So first off, the guy proposing marriage is a relative. I know marrying relatives is common in Afghanistan, hence the inbreeding and its inherent detrimental effects. But that paragraph is misleading in that it makes it sound like the GIRL said no. Here's the end of the article:

The two men are understood to be close relatives of the victim that live in the same village.

Local police sources have said the men behind the attack wanted to marry the girl, but their advances had been turned down by victim’s father.


So not only did she not have a say in whether or not she got to marry one or both (apparently) of these "close relatives," but she was murdered because her father -- who in Afghani culture would have control over who could or could not marry his daughter -- said no.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (4df7R)

39

I’m thinking about becoming a democrat. Then I can go 4 years w/o being outraged at
anything (except republican), I can watch the state of the union w/o throwing
up a little in my mouth, and the only
thing I have to worry about is what happens to Lindsay Lohan.

Posted by: Mr. KnowitAll at November 29, 2012 09:36 AM (7dJ3w)

40 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:35 AM (4df7R)


But this made so much sense in the 700s!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 09:37 AM (Cnqmv)

41 *climbs in the barrel*

But hey, at least my Italican didn't carry over to other comments!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:37 AM (4df7R)

42 Oh - not gonna read that "must read" article becoz of teh Red State. Erickson can bite my posterior

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 09:37 AM (3ZtZW)

43 It's worse. They are for the most part savages, barely hanging on to decent civil behavior and often crossing the line when they believe they can get away with it. On the way into work, saw a bumper sticker "Baby up in this bitch". I guess an urban take on 'Baby on board" Who in their right mind does things like that ? When did that become acceptable ?

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:38 AM (Vk2CC)

44 Afghan Savages Behead 15 Year Old Girl After She Turns Down Marriage Proposal


I hate to say this, but unless all the brave and independent minded women, like this 15 year old girl, here, leave these $hitholes, they are probably better off dead. Otherwise, they live in constant fear as slaves to apes.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 09:38 AM (LpQbZ)

45 What the House should do is submit another budget for the upcoming year that cuts spending back to the 2008 level and tell Obama take that or nothing.


If Hairy Pederast refuses to pass it instead of another worthless CR they should just say shut it down and spend nothing. And BTW, you do not get to spend it later through makeup allocations. You get nothing.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2012 09:38 AM (YdQQY)

46
>>EE is not the only one who made comments about the paid consultants getting rich off of the Republican Party and the Romney campaign.


>>He is not even the first.


But he is naming names. It's the first person to go into such detail in that regard. As far as I know anyway.
Even if you don't like Ericksson or Redstate, he is doing us all a favor by getting these names out there.
If we're at all serious about winning in 2016, we need to know who helped f*ck up the 2012 campaign. These people took commisions on ad buys, so Romney was paying a lot more for a lot less ad spots than Obama was.
This shit bothers me. These are professionals who make their money off Republican campaigns. They don't care if we win or lose. I do care.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:39 AM (C2Y4l)

47 ...and the only thing I have to worry about is what happens to Lindsay Lohan.

And ignore the Kardashians? What kind of American are you?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:39 AM (lOmbq)

48 •Germany Changes Their Mind On Voting Against The Palestinian Bid


In other words, sniveling Euros do what they do best: tuck tail and run for cover like cabbage-scented bastards. Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:40 AM (4df7R)

49 MWR [in the barrell] thanks for the explanation

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 09:41 AM (3ZtZW)

50 California Pension Fund Sues Bankrupt City
..


...And expects... what?


Probably angling to confiscate city owned tax foreclosed property.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 09:42 AM (UDfXZ)

51 It's good to find out who screwed us over for profit so we can insist no candidate hire those people agian.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:30 AM


There are actually two ways to read that article. The first, and probably what the author intended, is that some greedy for-profit vultures feasted off the Romney campaign. Shame on the heartless bastiges; they raked in money while the candidate lost!!11!!

But the other way, which jumped out at me like certain parts of a Kate Upton photo, is that Ericksson had a mad on about certain people and wanted to diss them, but was wise enough in the ways of politics and lawsuits to not actually say that they did anything bad/unethical/shady.

If RedState had any guts, they might look into the real reasons Choom Boy won. But it's easier to go on at length about entities sharing office space than it is to go after Free Shit, Race and Major Fraud. Only takes a look in a phone book.

Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 29, 2012 09:43 AM (yKUrR)

52
It's worse. They are for the most part savages, barely hanging on to
decent civil behavior and often crossing the line when they believe they
can get away with it. On the way into work, saw a bumper sticker
"Baby up in this bitch". I guess an urban take on 'Baby on board" Who
in their right mind does things like that ? When did that become
acceptable ?

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:38 AM (Vk2CC)


What's worse is how many lemmings think it's funny or want to emulate it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 09:43 AM (1Jaio)

53 These are professionals who make their money off Republican campaigns. They don't care if we win or lose. I do care.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:39 AM (C2Y4l)


Don't worry your little mind about this--it is best left to the political professionals who know what they are doing (for themselves).

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 29, 2012 09:43 AM (Cnqmv)

54 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:44 AM (5DR1j)

55 *climbs in the barrel*



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit


You sure you want to do that?

Posted by: EC at November 29, 2012 09:45 AM (GQ8sn)

56
@53,
Yeah, I heard Karl Rove made between 20-50 million off this election.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:45 AM (C2Y4l)

57 So can we assume all the names name in Erickson's article will now be prosecuted by the DOJ for illegal activities: coordination with the candidate, etc.?

I can read the posts on Red State but the comments are beyond the pale. Knowing how they "moderate" the negative ones, reading comment after comment saying, "Great job!" and "Keep up the good work!" really activates my gag reflex.

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 29, 2012 09:46 AM (48+2q)

58
I thought "The Incestuous Bleeding..." article would be yet another story about hiring and electing the same people - and the same kinds of people -over and over again, while expecting different results.
Oh...wait...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 29, 2012 09:47 AM (WwR1j)

59 All I know is, nobody who ran Mitt's campaign should be allowed near a GOP candidate ever again.

Whether they were out for money or actually that clueless, their methods suck.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 09:47 AM (UjSt7)

60 Unexpectedly, I made sure my contracts did not have a pay for performance clause!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 29, 2012 09:47 AM (Cnqmv)

61 The onetime presidential hopeful ridiculed the idea of the fiscal cliff, saying it was a manufactured crisis.


It is a manufactured crisis. It is also very real.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that starting negotiations with the expectation that Obama has to approve is the wrong tactic. I'm all for Let It Burn.

If I had a blog, I would have posted about this, sort of, over there this morning.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:47 AM (5DR1j)

62 Every once and again, Baltimore City makes noises about being re-absorbed into the surrounding county.
They do this because.......

O A. The city is flush with revenue, and wish to redistribute some of the wealth to the county.

O B. Once again, they have spent more than they bring in, and wish to grab some of that sweet county money for their own use.

Fully blacken the circle of your choice with a #2 pencil.

This is a times quiz, with only thirty seconds to make your choice

Start

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 29, 2012 09:48 AM (7XZTS)

63 Oh yeah, I hear that "professionals" crap a lot. And here, too. I no longer care and fk them with a stick. GOP is dead, I don't even care who killed it. Fk off and get the corpse off the stage, WE the People and not you, The Pros, have some fixing to do. A-holes.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 09:48 AM (3ZtZW)

64 MWR, in this case perhaps the father had been correct in saying no to these killers, ( i know , i know)

my other thought (sickening as it is) did the Father insult the prophet too?



Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (hX8cq)

65 Probably angling to confiscate city owned tax foreclosed property.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 09:42 AM (UDfXZ)


Possibly. Reading the article it sounds like what Calpers is demanding is that San Bernardino be forced to pay its pension obligations in full immediately, instead of waiting until after its municipal bankruptcy has been approved or thrown out in federal court.

I'm not a legal eagle, but it sounds like all creditor action must be put on hold until a municipality's bankruptcy status has been determined in a federal court, at which point the creditors can move forward with any action. Calpers is basically saying, "Fuck that, they have to pay us NOW. We're going to sue them in state court whether the feds say we can or not, but we'd rather they say it's okay."

This despite San Bernardino having trouble even paying for CURRENT services, like fire and police.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (4df7R)

66 You can always count on the republican leadership, you just can't count on them for much!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (Cnqmv)

67 All I know is, nobody who ran Mitt's campaign should be allowed near a GOP candidate ever again.

The same thing was said four years ago. We don't call them The Party of Stoopid for nothing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (lOmbq)

68 What's worse is how many lemmings think it's funny or want to emulate it worst part ? The driver was middle aged white female driving a rather new Chevy SUV. Someone who seemingly should be a responsible adult. I cannot imagine what that baby, up in that bitch, will grow up to be like.

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:50 AM (Vk2CC)

69 MWR, in this case perhaps the father had been correct in saying no to these killers, ( i know , i know)

I think he was spot on.
my other thought (sickening as it is) did the Father insult the prophet too?
Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (hX8cq)


I'm pretty sure if he had, they'd have killed him, too. And probably any other family members in the vicinity.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:51 AM (4df7R)

70 didn't they just put the guy in charge of the campaign , in charge of figuring out why it failed?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:51 AM (hX8cq)

71 "jeannebodine at November 29, 2012 09:46 AM"
"I can read the posts on Red State but the comments are beyond the pale.
Knowing how they "moderate" the negative ones, reading comment after
comment saying, "Great job!" and "Keep up the good work!" really
activates my gag reflex."

Those are the only type of comment they allow now.

Posted by: NeoKong at November 29, 2012 09:51 AM (w5v/W)

72 "Two Powerball Tickets Sold"

If I knew the odds of winning were so good, I would have bought one myself.

Posted by: Gerry at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (xmffn)

73 San Bernardino be forced to pay its pension obligations in full immediately

Ha, ha...rocks don't bleed.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (UDfXZ)

74
>>>The same thing was said four years ago. We don't call them The Party of Stoopid for nothing.

Yeah, but we did get rid of Steve Schmidt and John Weaver. We need to continue to get rid of the bad people.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (C2Y4l)

75 I know that people like Rush and even Ace don't like hearing this: it's time for a new party. What's the worst that can happen, the Democrats will control Washington, DC? Isn't that what we have now?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (5DR1j)

76 MWR, imagine being unfortunate to have been born into one of these countries.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:53 AM (hX8cq)

77 - "Must Read: The Incestuous Bleeding Of The Republican Party"

Not a new phenomenon. Bad demographics are hard to overcome.

- "We're Going Over The Cliff"

All this "fiscal cliff" talk at one level is entertaining -- in the vein of a tragic farce -- but the grim reality is that Social Security and Medicare are the actual fiscal cliffs and unfortunately they'll put the final nails in the country's fiscal, monetary and economic coffins.

- "California Pension Fund Sues Bankrupt City"

Merely the tip of the iceberg. Just wait until interest rates commence their inevitable rise.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 29, 2012 09:53 AM (r2PLg)

78 it's time for a new party

There will be plenty of new parties after the collapse. Every local warlord will form one.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 09:54 AM (UDfXZ)

79 The same thing was said four years ago. We don't call them The Party of Stoopid for nothing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:49 AM (lOmbq)

We talk of a political ruling class but there is a ruling class of political consultants that are worse than the politicians as they work in the background, have no accountability or responsibility, skim from citizen contributions, ensure that they always get paid first, and are all in incestuous bipartisan relationships with the other consultants.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 09:54 AM (Cnqmv)

80 DATELINE ATTLEBORO, MA -- five guys standing around at a job site watching 0 guys work. Police detail of one cruiser and three officers stand watch. Your tax dollars at work! No film at 11.

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2012 09:54 AM (uR7BD)

81 MWR, imagine being unfortunate to have been born into one of these countries.
Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:53 AM (hX8cq)


That's why every single day I give thanks that I was born in America. She's damaged and limping right now, but she's still got more potential than any other country in the world.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:54 AM (4df7R)

82 I cannot imagine what that baby, up in that bitch, will grow up to be like.

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:50 AM (Vk2CC)


Obama voter potential?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 09:55 AM (Cnqmv)

83 >>>in charge of figuring out why it failed?

I'll spare you the mystery: They're Republicans. The brand is now sh!t. No, you can't turn it around. Start over. Our Big Tent tore itself apart, so make it as amicable and orderly as possible. I want the tea service, you can have the china.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 09:55 AM (3ZtZW)

84 75 I know that people like Rush and even Ace don't like hearing this: it's time for a new party. What's the worst that can happen, the Democrats will control Washington, DC? Isn't that what we have now?

I think it comes down to who our leader is. John Boehner is unacceptable. I will not follow that man. He is the status quo Republican. If the House does not replace him, the GOP serves no use and it is time for a new party.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 09:55 AM (UjSt7)

85 When Supreme High Commander Obama gives you lemons, all loyal comrades have a party.

Posted by: Comrade Pickles, loyal Party Cat at November 29, 2012 09:55 AM (vlC9n)

86 amen,

If only we had elected leadership that respected the Idea of America's uniqueness.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:56 AM (hX8cq)

87 Obama voter potential? well yea, it is NJ after all. I'm betting the driver was a teacher/professor, so obama voter as well.

Posted by: cu'chulainn at November 29, 2012 09:56 AM (Vk2CC)

88 didn't they just put the guy in charge of the campaign , in charge of figuring out why it failed?

That would, like, make sense. Which is why it'll never get done, like all things political. It'd probably just get blamed on the electorate, or something. Politicans are genetically incapable of accepting any responsibility for anything. And Rove is nothing but a politician.

But, then again, more billable hours...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:57 AM (lOmbq)

89 If the House does not replace him, the GOP serves no use and it is time for a new party.

The House has already agreed not to replace him. Heck, they're getting so much out of it, I wouldn't be surprised if some Democrats voted Boehner for Speaker.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:57 AM (5DR1j)

90 What's the worst that can happen, the Democrats will control Washington, DC? Isn't that what we have now?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (5DR1j)


And they do it with open Republican complicity!

Bring back the Whigs!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (Cnqmv)

91
Wow, that Erick Erickson piece is mind-blowing.

The consultants are killing us.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (qe2/V)

92 Backwards, i fear you're right.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (hX8cq)

93 I know that people like Rush and even Ace don't like hearing this: it's time for a new party. What's the worst that can happen, the Democrats will control Washington, DC? Isn't that what we have now?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:52 AM (5DR1j)


I'm all for a new party. The only reason it hasn't happened yet, and I'm pretty certain of this, is infrastructure. The RNC and the DNC are established. They have offices all over the country with employees, flowcharts, contracts and bank accounts... All of that takes time and money to set up. If we're going to get a new party, we're either going to have to take over one of the existing two so that we can absorb their infrastructure, or we'll ahve to dedicate ourselves to building, in a very short time, a political structure that will rival them.

You know what? Before this election I didn't think that would be possible. But now? With so many people so furious? Yeah, I think it is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (4df7R)

94
>>I know that people like Rush and even Ace don't like hearing this: it's time for a new party. What's the worst that can happen, the Democrats will control Washington, DC? Isn't that what we have now?

My biggest concern is that the party you favor would get like 10-15% of the vote.

Keep in mind a large part of the coalition, the Huckabee types, are for big government too. .
If we split into two parties. We might end up with the Democrats, A Big Government Republican Party, and Fiscally Conservatives as a permanent minority.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (C2Y4l)

95 Romney ran on a fairly fiscally conservative message and lost. I think people like myself, fiscal conservatives uber alles, need to recognize that fiscal conservatism isn't popular right now.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:59 AM (C2Y4l)

96 But, then again, more billable hours...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 09:57 AM (lOmbq)
Better yet, they are not results based billable hours!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 29, 2012 10:00 AM (Cnqmv)

97 The House has already agreed not to replace him.

This should be our campaign then. Contact congressmen to urge them to insist on a new Speaker.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 10:00 AM (UjSt7)

98 MWR, imagine being unfortunate to have been born into one of these countries.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 09:53 AM (hX8cq)



That's why every single day I give thanks that I was born in
America. She's damaged and limping right now, but she's still got more
potential than any other country in the world.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 09:54 AM (4df7R)


Barry: Still has potential? Well I've got 4 more years to deal with that.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 10:00 AM (1Jaio)

99 We might end up with the Democrats, A Big Government Republican Party, and Fiscally Conservatives as a permanent minority.


Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:58 AM (C2Y4l)

How is this different from our present situation?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:01 AM (Cnqmv)

100 >>>My biggest concern is that the party you favor would get like 10-15% of the vote.

That would be outrageously fanstastic. Highest third party percentage since Reconstruction has been around 1%.

But that's exactly how the GOP started. Lincoln was not the first Candidate, only the first successful one.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:01 AM (3ZtZW)

101
Bend Over, We're About To Get F***ed Again

“A lot of the big entitlement savings comes in the 10-20 year budget window, not the next 10 years,” a Democratic aide said. “Everybody will need to get on board understanding that. ...will most likely be the deal Republicans will be staring at: tax hikes now in exchange for Medicare changes way later. That will require some fancy footwork by Boehner to sell."




And thus the Party fractures, dissolves and fades into history....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 10:02 AM (kdS6q)

102 Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:01 AM (3ZtZW)


The building of a new political party begins with a small percentage (10-15%) of the population realizing that it is needed to avoid disaster!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:03 AM (Cnqmv)

103 Romney ran on a fairly fiscally conservative message and lost. I think people like myself, fiscal conservatives uber alles, need to recognize that fiscal conservatism isn't popular right now.
Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:59 AM (C2Y4l)


Fiscal conservatism will NEVER be popular, Ben, unless it's made undeniably clear that all other choices lead to ruin. People want to be able to buy their big, flatscreen LCD TVs, and their new iPhones, and their flashy cars and gold jewelry, even when they know they can't afford it. They'll just put everything on their card and promise to pay it off later. And they'll keep doing it until the guy at Best Buy cuts up their credit card and says, "No, you've been cut off."

We have to keep preaching fiscal conservatism to remind people that the hard wall of insolvency DOESN'T HAVE TO BE the natural end of government spending. You don't have to watch the cashier slice up your Mastercard with a pair of shears if you'd budgeted, saved your money, and purchased what you wanted at a time you could afford it. If the government could just maintain a rational budget (budget? HAH!), then this "fiscal cliff" wouldn't be a cliff at all.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:05 AM (4df7R)

104 >>>The building of a new political party begins with a small percentage (10-15%) of the population realizing that it is needed to avoid disaster!

Izzat so? Hmm. Maybe one will happen.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:05 AM (3ZtZW)

105
>>How is this different from our present situation?

We fiscal cons wield a disproportionate amount of influence thanks to the votes of big government Republicans.Think of all the great fiscal cons we have in congress and the senate right now. They would probably lose to big government Huckabee types.
We really need to take stoke of our situation now before we jump into a third party. I don't think we'd be as successful as some think.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:06 AM (C2Y4l)

106 If we split into two parties. We might end up with the Democrats, A Big
Government Republican Party, and Fiscally Conservatives as a permanent
minority.


I really don't think so. People are pissed. I think, if you craft your new platform correctly, you'll get basically all the Republicans.

Basically, I only have two problems with the Republican Party, but either one is fatal.

First, the brand is not merely "damaged" it is poisoned. People hear "Republican" and they believe certain things. Most of those things are lies, but that doesn't change the belief. A new party wouldn't have all of that baggage. For a while, at least.

Second is the conservative (not conservative politically, but conservative operationally) nature of the Republican Party. Republicans would never elect a half-term US Senator whose only "accomplishment" of note was giving a rousing speech. We also would never elect a one-term Governor who "quit" during her second term- no matter the reason. Those are only symptoms, and not the problem. The problem is so major, that I don't believe it can be rooted out and corrected. Instead, the entire structure must be burned to the ground and replaced with something new.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:06 AM (5DR1j)

107 Romney ran on a fairly fiscally conservative message and lost. I think people like myself, fiscal conservatives uber alles, need to recognize that fiscal conservatism isn't popular right now.

Not now, but when things start getting really bad, I'm willing to bet that a whole bunch of folks will start making it popular. All it would take is a few quarters of recession and have the UE rate spike. Throw in some real, live inflation like Jimmah Cahtah had (the kind that can't be wished away or disguised by gubmint number crunchers), and you might wake a few more people up to exactly what's been happening all along.

Then, we find just one candidate who has the guts to propose that DC conduct its fiscal affairs as a normal American household does...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 10:08 AM (lOmbq)

108 These same assholes are already angling to see if we'll go for Romney one more time so they can take another bite. It doesn't matter what we know if they keep hiring their pals for kickbacks or whateverthefuck they get out of it. Around here, one of the keys to success is hiring a lot of nieces and daughters for nothing jobs during the campaign. If your whole extended family is pulling down half a million for hiring the same schmucks, losing doesn't sting very much.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:08 AM (6H6FZ)

109
The administration is vetting former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel for a top national security post in President Barack Obama’s second term, according to a report.

As a harsh critic of the Iraq War and former president George W. Bush’s foreign policy, Hagel has already broken with his party on many foreign policy issues.




Moderate Republican Fever - Catch It!*

*and die a slow painful lonely death

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 10:08 AM (kdS6q)

110 99 We might end up with the Democrats, A Big Government Republican Party, and Fiscally Conservatives as a permanent minority.

I don't think you have to worry about SoCons. They are fiscally conservative too.

The problem faction in the GOP are the Tucker Carlson, Karl Rove types.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 10:08 AM (74T7W)

111
So, the krauts have reneged. Bastards!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 29, 2012 10:09 AM (TYO2p)

112 Fiscal conservatism is Hamiltonian tradition. Wastrel spending is the shadow side of Jacksonian Democracy [as in when Jackson opened the WH to the People and threw barbeques and sich].

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:09 AM (3ZtZW)

113 Yeah, I heard Karl Rove made between 20-50 million off this election.
Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 09:45 AM (C2Y4l)



I've never been a fan of Rove, ever, but how much do you propose he make?

Who hired him?

Who paid him?

How much did he raise for the campaign (100's of millions of dollars?)

just sayin'


Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 10:10 AM (LpQbZ)

114
>>Fiscal conservatism will NEVER be popular, Ben, unless it's made undeniably clear that all other choices lead to ruin.

Yeah, I don't know if that's possible. I thought so once, but I'm not sure I believe it anymore. I'm starting to think people will only realize that when things being to collapse/reset/default/whatever you want to call it.
Even then people may blame the wrong things. Look at FDR. He kept getting re-elected even after he made things worse.
I guess I don't have the faith in the general Americna public that I used to.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:10 AM (C2Y4l)

115 Islamic barbarism.



And somehow we of the West are anti-woman.



I'm tellin' you, folks, there is no better proof of the Bible's veracity, how Satan is the ruler of this world and how light is darkness and truth exchanged for a lie than to watch as the whole world behaves absolutely opposite as to how it should be.




Muslims rioting and murdering? Filmmaker's fault. Muslims stoning, raping, and throwing acid on women? West is anti-woman. Barack Obama cutting Medicare, and proposing more Medicare cuts? "Boehner, Boehner, don't be a dick. Cutting spending will make us sick."



Up is down, left is right, right is wrong and screw it all, let it burn.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 10:11 AM (FVUmk)

116 I don't think you have to worry about SoCons. They are fiscally conservative too.


Most SoCons are fiscally conservative. Unfortunately, we also have a couple of doozies (like Huckster) who are definitely not.

As for Fiscal Conservatism not being popular- of course it's not. Anyone telling you you can't have something is not going to be a popular person. On the other hand, if you craft your message to be "we want you to keep as much of what you earn as possible," it becomes more palatable.

This is actually related to why most SoCons are fiscally conservative. Bible believing conservatives ALSO believe all that stuff in the Bible about us being called to good stewardship of our own resources. It's easy to extrapolate from there that the Government should also be called to good stewardship of its resources- meaning it shouldn't be spending money on things that are "nice" because that actually steals from one set of people to give to another.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:12 AM (5DR1j)

117
>>I don't think you have to worry about SoCons. They are fiscally conservative too.

I'm not necessarily talking about all socons. I'm between a socon and moderate of social issues. I know there are Socons who are also Fiscons. I've got no problem with Socons at all.
However, let's face it. There are those in our party who want to rule. They want big government, but they want it run from the Right.
People like Mike Huckabee come to mind. Some New England Republicans.My fear is that if we split into a third party, we might find out how many of them there really are.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:12 AM (C2Y4l)

118 My fear is that if we split into a third party, we might find out how many of them there really are.

If there are really that many of them, then maybe it's time to draw that line in the sand.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:14 AM (5DR1j)

119 (ABC) Ludovic Mohammed Zahed is braced for controversy, maybe even worse. A gay Muslim and an expert on the Koran, Zahed plans to open Europe's first gay-friendly mosque in Paris at the end of this month. He calls it a place of shelter as well as a place of worship.

"The Unity" mosque will initially operate in a Buddhist temple in a
neighborhood in eastern Paris, and will emphasize "accepting everyone
as equally God's creation....I hope straight men will pray together with
gay men and women, everyone," said Zahed who declines to make public
the address of the venue, due to security concerns.





A gay mosque inside a Buddhist temple which no one will know the address to. Expect this to go up in flames (pun intended) in 3....2....

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2012 10:14 AM (1Jaio)

120 I guess I don't have the faith in the general Americna public that I used to.
Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:10 AM (C2Y4l)


I don't either, Ben. But I've given up on the general public as a whole. We have to worm our way into the zeitgeist and turn it on its head. Or, I should say, put it back on its feet. That's why I wish I had any kind of literary, musical or artistic talent. The fastest way to mainstream an idea these days is to get it into the public eye through entertainment. Because the American people are idiots who believe anything the idiot box tells them. So we've got to get it to tell them the right things again.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:14 AM (4df7R)

121 However, let's face it. There are those in our party
who want to rule. They want big government, but they want it run from
the Right.
People like Mike Huckabee come to mind. Some New England
Republicans.My fear is that if we split into a third party, we might
find out how many of them there really are.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:12 AM (C2Y4l)


Better out than in, possibly.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 10:14 AM (da5Wo)

122 >>>Second is the conservative (not conservative politically, but conservative operationally) nature of the Republican Party. Republicans would never elect a half-term US Senator whose only "accomplishment" of note was giving a rousing speech. We also would never elect a one-term Governor who "quit" during her second term- no matter the reason. Those are only symptoms, and not the problem.

^^^this. GOP fkn hates their biggest stars and calls 'em media whores. You know what? You're a-holes, straight-up. Star power wins the damned election, fkwits

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:16 AM (3ZtZW)

123 LiLo is just from the wrong generation. Back in the day, she would have had a nice career doing porn loops.

Posted by: Roy at November 29, 2012 10:16 AM (VndSC)

124 It's hard to be a rational person anymore.

It's virtually impossible to be a rational person and give a fuck anymore. I'm not one to back down from a challenge - especially when I know I'm right...but damn. Conservatives can't win with the deck stacked against us the way the media does it, and we have no assets in place that can shuffle the deck.

We lost the culture wars a decade or more ago, and that ain't fixing itself anytime soon. FisCons would rather fight SoCons and SoCons would rather fight Libertarians and it's all pointless dickmeasuring while the progressive left VOCAL MINORITY in our country robs anyone who is productive and has achieved any level of financial success blind.

Christ. It ain't as if our founding fathers didn't predict *every single bit* of what is happening now...? I guess that's why those who write the history books are the ones who are really in charge.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - T. Jefferson

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 10:16 AM (hNXHo)

125 Better out than in, possibly.

Always better in...wait. What were we talking about?

Posted by: Vizzini at November 29, 2012 10:16 AM (O7Q1u)

126 So how long before President Embrace Diversity becomes an honorary member of the gay-friendly mosque in Paris, and will MSNBC be tee-heeing about his questionalbe down-low proclivities?

Posted by: Fritz at November 29, 2012 10:18 AM (/ZZCn)

127
>>If there are really that many of them, then maybe it's time to draw that line in the sand

If we were a parliamentary democracy then I'd be all in. But a small third party in a two party system isn't the way to go if we want to change things.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:18 AM (C2Y4l)

128 >>>Christ. It ain't as if our founding fathers didn't predict *every single bit* of what is happening now...?

Hence, the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Posted by: Roy at November 29, 2012 10:18 AM (VndSC)

129
Some New England Republicans. My fear is that if we split into a third party, we might find out how many of them there really are.
Posted by: Ben




We're almost completely lost New England for, what -- 22 years running?

It's not like letting the Wets have the remnants of the Republican Party when we walk away is going to mean much of a difference up there. And maybe we get the Mid-West back.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 29, 2012 10:18 AM (kdS6q)

130 "Highest third party percentage since Reconstruction has been around 1%. "

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:01 AM (3ZtZW)

Nope.

George Wallace
Ross Perot
Theodore Roosevelt
John Anderson

And I think there were one or two more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2012 10:20 AM (GsoHv)

131 Allen G: I love your ideas in theory but they are wishcasting in important details.

Any new party will immediately be smeared by the MSM as The New Republican Nazis or something equally vile. Zero gain there. Thinking we would never nominate an unqualified candidate or be otherewise stupid sounds good until you realize that many of the squishes would run to the new party to get get a place near the head of the table and get in on the graft early.

Purging RINOs is a better bet.That only requires anger and a thirst for revenge, which is an abundant resource right now.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:21 AM (6H6FZ)

132 People like Mike Huckabee come to mind. Some New England Republicans.My fear is that if we split into a third party, we might find out how many of them there really are.

But I don't see this as the GOP's major problem.

The GOP's problem is its timidity. It doesn't want to rock the boat. It wants to be polite. The other side has utterly demonized it and our response is thank you.

Hell, if there were an aggressive big-government conservative party, at least I might get 2/3s of the conservatism I want. Right now I get moderation and promises of future electoral victory.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 10:22 AM (tmzN0)

133 Even then people may blame the wrong things. Look at FDR. He kept getting re-elected even after he made things worse.
I guess I don't have the faith in the general Americna public that I used to.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:10 AM (C2Y4l)


really don't evenneed to look that far back, look at europe everytime they TRY austerity measures.people riot.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:23 AM (hX8cq)

134 But I don't see this as the GOP's major problem.



The GOP's problem is its timidity. It doesn't want to rock the
boat. It wants to be polite. The other side has utterly demonized it
and our response is thank you.



Hell, if there were an aggressive big-government conservative party,
at least I might get 2/3s of the conservatism I want. Right now I get
moderation and promises of future electoral victory.





Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 10:22 AM (tmzN0)


I shouldn't laugh, I know, but this is so painfully true it's funny. -_- ugh...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, MiFB advocate at November 29, 2012 10:25 AM (FVUmk)

135 I had high hopes for the Tea Party and their (our) message of a smaller, less expensive and intrusive government. I'm still wondering why they allowed the MFM to set the narrative image of it as knuckle-dragging Bible clingers. I still think the TP can stage a hostile takeover of The Stoopid Party, although I'm not sure exactly how to do it.

What I did and still do find disturbing about the GOP is that they were on the side of the MFM when it came to the TP. That right there told me everything I needed to know about the Leadership: they're power hungry assholes, too. They don't want a smaller government, they want to run it, which makes them just like the Prog/Dims. And after watching them capitulate to each and every idiotic demand from the Left, I'll be happy watching them burn too.

I do not want America to go to the Left. At. All.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 10:27 AM (lOmbq)

136 I would think if we could get the people together to sign a petition, Saying Every legislation/regulation/ law put forward by Either Party Politicians also have to live by every rule and law they pass.

? wouldn't this slow them down or wrench up their 'works'?

perhaps i haven't drank enough coffee.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:28 AM (hX8cq)

137 Wake up optimistic

Get to work, watch a video of Obama supporters

Look at the 'leadership' in the RNC.

Shop online for thermite and gasoline.

LIFB.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 10:30 AM (fWAjv)

138 Business taxes down? Fuck you, pay me. In bankruptcy? Fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: Calpers at November 29, 2012 10:31 AM (evdj2)

139 Yeah I agree the Republicans don't have any balls.
If they did they would propose and pass a bill chock-a-block full of every conservative wet dream, Repealing O-Care, dissolving the EPA, cutting taxes to the bone etc, etc. And say here you go Mr. president, here is our solution for the fiscal cliff. We will either pass this in its entirety or whatever you give us to pass in its entirety. No negotiations. Either Or.
Since we know Barry will never sign a Republican bill, let the house Republicans pass whatever Barry sends them unanimously and let the chips fall.
But our idiot leaders are negotiating as if they've got a chance to get anything.

Posted by: Iblis at November 29, 2012 10:31 AM (U0ndG)

140 >>>I do not want America to go to the Left. At. All.

Sorry butit did. We are a center-left country now. Choose your Left. I'd go Libertarian as the least-worst, but that's me.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 29, 2012 10:31 AM (3ZtZW)

141
Did Springsteen call? I weep just thinking about him. Bruce, call me on my Obamaphone!

Posted by: Chris Christie at November 29, 2012 10:32 AM (wIgpo)

142
#122 The Republicans NEVER get this. The ONLY guys who ever did were Michael Deaver and Lee Atwater, and they're both dead.

I've spent the last 3 weeks reading an orgy of trashing of Chris Christie, but dammit, he's the only Republican right now with star power. He's the only guy who could revive the brand almost overnight. And he combines his star power with really serious fiscal conservatism, which he has actually put intopractice in New Jersey. New Jersey is one of the Big Four state basket cases, and the only one with a Republican governor who is actually trying to fix it instead of insiting on gigantic tax increases.

If we want to revive a movement for fiscal conservatism, we first have to find an appealing spokesman for it who has walked the walk and not just talked the talk.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:32 AM (qe2/V)

143 Our government was designed with many checks and balances but, they only work if the opposition party is willing to use them. We have the House. The Republicans can stop the spending anytime they want to.

I blame Them for the current deficits.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:33 AM (evdj2)

144 I say we call ourselves the Constitution Party. Because that's what we are.

"You're going to outlaw abortion!!!"

"No we won't. We'll return that decision to the states, where it belongs, in accordance with the tenth amendment."

"You're going to force everyone to be Christian!!!"

"No we won't. The first amendment precludes the government from establishing or prohibiting the free practice of any religion."

"You'll let poor people go hungry, and destroy education!!!"

"We'll cut federal spending and return much of the decision making and funding currently housed in Washington back to the states where it belongs. That includes things like welfare and education. Those things will not go away, and the states will be able to decide how and where to bestexpend that money."

"YOU WANT TO KILL MOTHER GAIA!!!!!!!"

"No we don't. And please stop using so many exclamation points; it's like reading a zebra."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:34 AM (4df7R)

145 I had read last week NJ Taxes were going to be raised by 6 k because of Sandy?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:34 AM (hX8cq)

146 Choomer, Choomer, don't be a thief. Only a dick would Bogart the spliff.

Posted by: Humboldt Growers Association at November 29, 2012 10:35 AM (/ZZCn)

147 Sorry butit did. We are a center-left country now. Choose your Left. I'd go Libertarian as the least-worst, but that's me.

Yeah, I know. That dawned on me right after I hit the Post Button. We have moved so far to the Left as to almost be unrecognizable to The Founders.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 10:36 AM (lOmbq)

148 I've spent the last 3 weeks reading an orgy of trashing of Chris Christie, but dammit, he's the only Republican right now with star power.

By that logic, John Roberts has 'star power' too.

Fuck Christie. He's an asshole who campaigned for the worst human being to ever occupy the oval office.

No more moderates.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 29, 2012 10:37 AM (tmzN0)

149 @ 142

The party HAD one, rockmom--and threw her away.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 29, 2012 10:37 AM (SAMxH)

150 If I had a blog, I would have posted about this, sort of, over there this morning.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 09:47 AM (5DR1j)



Agreed. The SCoaMT and his comrades are merely setting up traps with bait. The GOP are ignorant (replace "morons," here, as per AOSHQ policy).

**lol, this longtime moronette took your bait on the blog link, too. Nice post, Allen.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 10:37 AM (LpQbZ)

151 toby, they will cut a deal like they have the last 3 deals. Yes we gave Obama the trillion He wanted BUT
we cut 400 billions (over the next 20 yrs) i mean millions, no i meant thousands in cuts !

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:38 AM (hX8cq)

152 2 deals .

blush

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:38 AM (hX8cq)

153

When will Kalifornia plead to dissolve and merge with Texas?

GiddyeeUp!

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 10:38 AM (LpQbZ)

154
#95 I don't disagree, but I think the bigger problem is not that fiscal conservatism is unpopular -- it is what drove the Tea Party in 2009-10 and elected 63 new fiscal conservatives to the House -- but that, at the national level,we do not have a political party that is credible on fiscal issues anymore. George W. Bush really blew the GOP's fiscal-con brand to bits. Now, some would say that because Bush won two eletions while doing so, that really proves the point.

In retrospect, I think the meta-story of this election is that despite Barack Obama being a SCOAMF, too many voters either voted for him anyway or stayed home because they were just not ready to give the Republicans the keys back. We hadn't earned them, and we did not have enough time between the Tea Party victories of 2010 and the 2012 Presidential nominating campaign to find a credible fiscal-con candidate.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:39 AM (qe2/V)

155 @ 142

The party HAD one, rockmom--and threw her away.
Posted by: irongrampa at November 29, 2012 10:37 AM (SAMxH)She chose not to run in 2012, didn't she? Isn't that kind of, you know, on HER?

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:40 AM (qe2/V)

156 Hey, the election's in the bag. I'll let you wingnuts have a peek at what's coming:

http://bit.ly/Rl9kxk

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at November 29, 2012 10:40 AM (tQHzJ)

157 139, no. Break it up into small bills, make him cry for every dollar.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 10:41 AM (49lPc)

158 Any new party will immediately be smeared by the MSM as The New
Republican Nazis or something equally vile. Zero gain there. Thinking we
would never nominate an unqualified candidate or be otherewise stupid
sounds good until you realize that many of the squishes would run to the
new party to get get a place near the head of the table and get in on
the graft early.


Excuse me for not fully disclosing my mind in the comments section.

First, no- a new party won't immediately be smeared by the MSM, because it won't immediately replace the Republican party. People are right that we'd get (at best) about 10 - 15% in national races in the first years. That would actually be huge if we could do it in two cycles. If Ross Perot hadn't been completely insane, we might already be talking about Democrats and... whatever he called his party, instead of Democrats and Republicans.

It's in those first years, where the new party is a minority without a voice that the MFM will ignore it or dismiss it. It's during that window that it can establish its own message. And, face it, the MFM will ignore it, because the "Big Republicans" will stay Republicans, at least at first. By the time they leave the Republican party (if they ever do), the new party would be established. Yes, the MFM would *then* begin its smear campaign. But they're doing that anyway, so what do we actually lose?

Second, I don't actually want to nominate someone completely unqualified. What I do want is for a party to be truly open to knew (operational/tactical) ideas. Tell me, besides the fact she "quit" and has been smeared by the Media- what actually makes Saint Sarah of Alaska "unqualified?" I do want people who have proven their conservative bona fides, but I want as much (or more) to stop the "it his turn" politics that infest the Republican party.

Even this is not a full dissertation on what I'd look for in a new party, and how I'd organize it, but it directly addresses some of the problems we have with the current Republican party.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:41 AM (5DR1j)

159 She chose not to run in 2012, didn't she? Isn't that kind of, you know, on HER?
Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:40 AM (qe2/V)


I agree to an extent, but for this: we don't know WHAT went on behind the scenes. I can almost guarantee you the RNC was begging her NOT to run.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:42 AM (4df7R)

160 Good morning, folks!

Re the Deans Everywhere article. Excerpt:

"The number of Purdue administrators has jumped 54 percent in the past decade—almost eight times the growth rate of tenured and tenure-track faculty. “We’re here to deliver a high-quality education at as low a price as possible,” says [faculty senate chairman J. Paul] Robinson. “Why is it that we can’t find any money for more faculty, but there seems to be an almost unlimited budget for administrators?”

I know Paul Robinson. He's a talented researcher who is great at hustling for grant money and even does some entrepreneurial work. But he's being silly here.

The article doesn't specify a number of things.

1. What constitutes "administrators"? Are they including development officers in this 10-yr period? If so, it is worth noting that Purdue raised $1.6 B in private funds during the campaign conducted in the last decade, which was completely unprecedented for Purdue. In order to do this, they had to overhaul and expand their development & marketing depts. Based on the timing of most major research institutions' fundraising cycles, they are due to go into another campaign soon. (Probably already in the silent phase.) Since the last president, Cordova, was infamously bad at fundraising, I'm sure they're having to rebuild again.

Incidentally, much of that campaign was for new faculty as well as for endowed professorships (needed to attract/retain big shot professors like Paul).

2. What has happened with enrollment? Many (most?) schools have seen a dip in enrollment b/c of the Pell grant cuts.

3. What has happened with teaching loads? Paul's a great guy, but I seriously doubt he teaches much.

4. How do Purdue salaries compare nationally and within the Big Ten? When I was there they were trying to raise faculty salaries to above the mean, but I hasten to add that the salary figure they quote for faculty is a 9-month salary (in most cases; older guys like Robinson are grand-fathered to a 12-mos salary). The low sounding number is deceptive and is reflection of the wave of junior faculty hired during and after the Campaign.

When I was there the development salaries were below average. (Recall that unlike faculty, development officers' salaries are pegged to expectations of how much money they will raise. The formula at Purdue was that they'd raise their salary plus ten-times that figure as a minimum. And no tenure.)

The article does point out that Purdue, which is Indiana's Land Grant university, receives 13% of its budget from the state. Nevertheless, the state controls tuition costs. Purdue is not an open-enrollment institution at the West Lafayette campus, but IN residents do get priority to get into the university, but they may wind up at a regional campus. (Purdue has several - 4 or 5 iirc - for its 80,000 students.)

It's a little irritating to read Paul make the usual whining schtick about not knowing what the administrators do when he worked closely with, and benefitted tremendously from I might add, my husband, who was one of those Evil Administrators at Purdue.

If faculty want less administrators, they need to step up and apply themselves to doing those tasks the enterprise needs but that they don't want to do.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2012 10:42 AM (5H6zj)

161 Boehner. electiion night.


“I’m the most reasonable, responsible person here in Washington,”
said Boehner, who is expected to remain speaker in the new House
Republican majority. “The president knows it. He knows that he and I can
work together. The election’s over. Now it’s time to get to work.”
-------------------- The
Ohio Republican said he called it quits at about 11:15 p.m. on election
night once Romney was poised to lose, but still “slept like a baby.”

i'd srsly like to have what's he's been drinking.
I mean how?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:42 AM (hX8cq)

162 "No we don't. And please stop using so many exclamation points; it's like reading a zebra."

Wow. Simple, straightforward answers that clearly refute the Left and the MFM's charicature of conservatives.

How come nobody on our side ever does this in an interview with the Vampires?

Also, we could call ourselves the Non-Post-Modern Party. Or the Post-Post-Modern Party.We have rules. And we play by them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 10:43 AM (lOmbq)

163 Looks like Boehner will accept a $1 Trillion tax hike for promises of spending cuts a decade from now.

It's Lucy with the Football all over again.

http://tinyurl.com/d8bg4av

This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 29, 2012 10:44 AM (sZTYJ)

164 If we were a parliamentary democracy then I'd be all in. But a small third party in a two party system isn't the way to go if we want to change things.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:18 AM (C2Y4l)



Part of the strategy needs to be a discussion of how we achieve the objective of fundamentally transforming the country. The non-Apocalypse options I can see are a takeover of the existing tainted Republicans party with it entrenched RINO ruling class or a third party that doesn't expect to win nationally the first time out, but rather to field real statesmen in red states and slowly increase the scope of their appeal to more and more citizens. Either way is going to be years, if not decades, of hard work struggling against the establishment ruling class and the MFM.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (Cnqmv)

165
BTW, last night I talked to my friend in Northern Virginia who has been a conservative GOP activist there for 35 years. He told me that Fairfax County is now only 54% white. In 1980 it was 90% white. Immigrants have flocked there for jobs and good schools for their kids. Bob McDonnell courted them with a strong economic/education message and won Fairfax in 2009. But it is going to get harder for the Republicans to win Virginia in presidetial elections until we start speaking to immigrants. (Not just Latinos, either, NoVa has a fair number of immigrants from Africa, the Middle East, and southeast Asia as well.)

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (qe2/V)

166 The RINOs that run things lacked the will to run a genuine conservative. It might interfere with their graft.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (6H6FZ)

167 a $1 Trillion tax hike

We need to stop talking like this, too. Tax rate hikes never bring in the promised revenue. So it may claim to be a $1Tn tax hike, but it'll bring in about 60% of that, if "we" were lucky.

That's really the thing: as a Conservative, I wouldn't have as much problem with tax rate hikes if two things were both true. First, that Government were only doing what it had to do, and hadn't assumed a bunch of powers it didn't really have, along with the resulting responsibilities. Second, that tax hikes actually brought in the promised revenue.

However, neither of those things is true.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:48 AM (5DR1j)

168 Either way is going to be years, if not decades, of hard work struggling against the establishment ruling class and the MFM.
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (Cnqmv)


This is true regardless of what we do. It's going to really, really suck for a long time. I just hope that the children born today and in future years will be able to grow up into a country that respects them as individualswith initiative instead of a country that counts them as drones with wallets.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:48 AM (4df7R)

169 I won a whole $4.00 on my powerball ticket. I got the powerball number 6.

My plans to buy Ace Of Spades and replace DrewM with a monkey have been thwarted. The $4 could buy the replacement monkey though just not AOS.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 10:48 AM (m2CN7)

170

I agree to an extent, but for this: we don't know WHAT went on behind the scenes. I can almost guarantee you the RNC was begging her NOT to run.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:42 AM (4df7R)Soyou're saying she wasn't strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway. But Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain were.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:50 AM (qe2/V)

171 159 She chose not to run because not only did her party not defend her from even the vilest of name-calling and even death threats, many of them joined in. She wasn't begged, she was warned off.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:51 AM (6H6FZ)

172 Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (qe2/V)


I foresee a United States run by the Hispanic lobby and a world run by the Chinese!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:51 AM (Cnqmv)

173 Sorry about my formatting, nothing is working here today. Help me pixy!!!

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:51 AM (qe2/V)

174 As far as I'm concerned, the Republican's own the deficits since January 2011.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (evdj2)

175
Re-posted from the dead thread:

A Facebook user has guaranteed that her newborn baby girl will always be a trending topic after announcing that she had called her Hashtag.

The unidentified new mother is at the centre of an internet row after revealing that she had named her daughter after the popular Twitter symbol.

She announced the wacky moniker by posting an accompanying photo of a sleeping baby. "Hashtag Jameson was born at 10 oclock last nite. She weys 8pounds and i luv her so much!!!!!," the photo's caption reads

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (tOkJB)

176 We need to stop talking like this, too. Tax rate hikes never bring in the promised revenue. So it may claim to be a $1Tn tax hike, but it'll bring in about 60% of that, if "we" were lucky.

I cannot understand why any national Republican worth his or her salt isn't on their soapbox in front of the Capitol, or Rockefeller Center, or the Mall of America, or Universal Studios, or ANYWHERE with lots of people around, shouting this to the heavens. "Raising taxes DECREASES the amount of money the government takes in! This is what happens, what has always happened, and what will CONTINUE TO HAPPEN! I have charts and books and pictures and graphs that will prove this. It doesn't matter WHOSE taxes are raised, or by how much. The only time raising taxes EVER works is when it is accompanied BY SPENDING CUTS of similar or greater magnitude. But Obama and the Democrats don't want ANY spending cuts. Understand?"

Why is that so hard to do, media blackout or not?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)

177 159 She chose not to run because not only did her party not defend her from even the vilest of name-calling and even death threats, many of them joined in. She wasn't begged, she was warned off.
Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:51 AM (6H6FZ)

Not like you never joined in to name call other candidates because you are so above that.

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 10:53 AM (m2CN7)

178 163
Looks like Boehner will accept a $1 Trillion tax hike for promises of spending cuts a decade from now.






http://tinyurl.com/d8bg4av



This will not end well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 29, 2012 10:44 AM (sZTYJ)

haha, that wasn't at all predictable.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2012 10:53 AM (hX8cq)

179 As far as I'm concerned, the Republican's own the deficits since January 2011.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (evdj2)

So it really is still pretty much Bush's fault?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:53 AM (Cnqmv)

180 Soyou're saying she wasn't strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway. But Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain were.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:50 AM (qe2/V)

Bachmann and Cain was both stalking horses to block her.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 29, 2012 10:53 AM (AWmfW)

181 @160, My wife I work at a private university and I've also seen this dean and administrator bloat. One of the dirty little secrets is Universities aren't giving out tenure track positions anymore, and when they do its very rare. But the problem is that tenure track faculty usually only have to teach 1 or 2 classes a semester. But there are more classes than tenured faculty to teach them. So they hire adjuncts, "post-docs" and administrators to fill the gap. My wife is a "lab director" an admin, but she also has to teach two classes. But since she's an admin, she doesn't get the contractual protections of a faculty member, and she'll never be able to get tenure. Thus the university can increase enrollment, but keep costs down.

Posted by: Iblis at November 29, 2012 10:53 AM (U0ndG)

182 Soyou're saying she wasn't strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway. But Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain were.

And that worked out so well for them.

Look, I don't think Palin supporters can complain that she "didn't receive enough support" in 2011-2012, because she's the one who chose not to run. I believe she made that choice for a variety of reasons, not least of which was that she understands her image has been destroyed (as a politician). She may still be a hero to some Republicans, but too many people view her as the caricature that the MFM constructed. She was signaling that by doing so much "pop culture" stuff. I think we need to accept that an move on.

Might it have been different if she had been defended more vociferously and more ably in 2008-2010? Possibly. We'll never know, but I actually have my doubts.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 10:54 AM (5DR1j)

183 So it really is still pretty much Bush's fault?

???

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:54 AM (evdj2)

184 It's about time for a DrewM post, isn't it?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:55 AM (evdj2)

185 Soyou're saying she wasn't strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway. But Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain were.
Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:50 AM (qe2/V)


No. Those candidates had very slim chance of winning the nomination. Palin, on the other hand, could have won handily. That's what scared the RNC, because they were convinced she couldn't possibly beat Obama. So she did what she had to do, distracting the media and making them chase their own tails as the other candidates announced their runs, and then she bowed out.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:55 AM (4df7R)

186 95 Romney ran on a fairly fiscally conservative message and lost. I think people like myself, fiscal conservatives uber alles, need to recognize that fiscal conservatism isn't popular right now.

No. Fiscal Conservatism isn't popular when sold by a guy who looks like he's straight out of central casting for "evil rich Wall Street banker villain." You'll notice that both in 2008 and 2012, Obama talked about cutting the deficit. He talked like a Conservative. Most people just listen for something that sounds comforting coming from a candidate who looks comforting. It's nothing more than marketing.

Posted by: rfichoke at November 29, 2012 10:56 AM (1Byhg)

187 I had to come here for some sanity this morning. On FOX business everyone is saying the Republicans HAVE to cave in to Obama because he won! They are saying the pubs with act like they are fighting it to the end to look good to the base but with go along with raising taxes but cuts somewhere down the road (that will never happen). How can they be so stupid? What difference does it make if the "majority" blames them? They will be blamed either way so why not try to save the country? I can't believe this is happening. Even the ones we elected are turning against us! We are still about half the country, but we have NO representation. Is there no alternative?

Posted by: AnnaS at November 29, 2012 10:56 AM (mQmzV)

188 Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:46 AM (qe2/V)
___
The pattern has always been for immigrants to be entrepreneurial and small-business minded, so one would think they'd be a natural fit for the GOP. An immigrant friend and I were going down the list of immigrants in our personal network who had their own business...every one we know is self-employed. No matter their place of origin, they know the path to wealth in America is (was?) to have your own business. Some of this entrepreneurial spirit extends down to the first generation.

How the new immigrants in NoVa are inclined to vote remains to be seen. (Since any former predictor of voting habits seems to have been upended and smashed to bits.)

Posted by: kallisto at November 29, 2012 10:57 AM (jm/9g)

189 Thanks for the input Y-Not. I don't know enough about the university system, but I do like WRM's articles.

Posted by: Ben at November 29, 2012 10:57 AM (C2Y4l)

190 She was strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway, she just wasn't stupid enough to do it with no support in the Party.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 10:57 AM (6H6FZ)

191 "Raising taxes DECREASES the amount of money the government takes in! This is what happens, what has always happened, and what will CONTINUE TO HAPPEN!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)


Because the dumb fu*k public will just go 'nuh uh' and go along their merry ignorant lives.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 10:58 AM (fWAjv)

192 The brits are fucking idiots. As far as I know, bribing public officials and hacking phones is illegal. Prosecute under those laws. But nooooooooooo! They want "press regulators" on top of their superinjunction bullshit.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 29, 2012 10:58 AM (TYO2p)

193 Sorry my auto corrector typed with instead of will!

Posted by: AnnaS at November 29, 2012 10:58 AM (mQmzV)

194 Because the dumb fu*k public will just go 'nuh uh' and go along their merry ignorant lives.
Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 10:58 AM (fWAjv)


Oh, I know. Trust me, I know. But that's no excuse for not doing it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:59 AM (4df7R)

195 Why is that so hard to do, media blackout or not?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)

How easy it is to forget that they are appropriately, and affectionally, known as the stupid party!
No matter how effective the MFM blackout is, every R that loves his country should make a public statement every freaking day concerning how Obama and the Dems are destroying the country and post it on Youtube, FB, etc. Any R politician that loves his country should never speak to an MFM hack without cramming in a legitimate conservative talking point and/or ensuring that the terminology is neutral ("Revenues? You mean taxes don't you?").
I am not holding my breath.


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 10:59 AM (Cnqmv)

196 That must read article really is.

Who is running the ship?? It is time for new leadership in the GOTV campaign and ad campaigns. Period.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 29, 2012 10:59 AM (tVTLU)

197 @189
Sorry for the rant, Ben, but it really gets my goat to see things like the salaries reported without specifying the terms (9 mos vs 12 mos) and to not factor in what contribution of each individual is making to the enterprise. Having been on both sides of the equation - faculty and Evil Administrator - it is so frustrating to see the usual whining about a complex situation.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2012 11:00 AM (5H6zj)

198 Concerning Palin, the RNC didn't give a dime to help Bachmann and West (not sure about West getting help or not.)

Anyone think they would have actively tried to destroy her if she ran. I do.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:00 AM (fWAjv)

199 I'm going to write a screenplay. It's going to be called "The Evil Rich." It's about four college students who go to a cabin in the woods for a long weekend of debauchery and perversion. they find an odd book and, as a joke, they begin to read it aloud. It is Hayek's The Road to Serfdom and by reading it aloud they have awoken the spirits of the evil rich. That night, they have bizarre dreams of convertible debentures, accelerated depreciation, and oil depletion allowances. When they awake the next morning, one of them has grown Trump hair. Then things start really getting weird.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 11:01 AM (Hx5uv)

200 She chose not to run because not only did her party not defend her from even the vilest of name-calling and even death threats, many of them joined in. She wasn't begged, she was warned off.

She certainly wasn't protected or defended in '08, that much is certain. Her plain talk and downhome common sense in regards to politics clearly threatened the national GOP Machine. Don't forget she had a 70% approval rating as Alaska's first female guv. And remember her interview about energy a couple of years before she was picked as the VP? That was a great interview that showed her command of the issue.

McLame's biggest fault, and another reason I despise him (politically), is that he allowed the MFM to characterize her as an idiot, which she clearly isn't. IMHO, she's just the type of average American the Founders had in mind when they were crafting a government of, by, and for the people. Jaun had been in DC long enough to know how the game is played, and he never warned her or prepared her for the shitstorm of unwarrented criticism of her that was to come from the MFM.

I'm pretty sure the GOP told her, "If you run, we'll do nothing to help you."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:01 AM (lOmbq)

201 ???

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 10:54 AM (evdj2)

After reflection, I agree!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 11:02 AM (Cnqmv)

202
#190 Barack Obama had no support from the DNC in 2008 either. Didn't stop him. Now he's a two term president.

We need someone with brass like Obama had. The hell with the conventional wisdom about needing experience, or being a centrist, or any of that crap. We need to get all these moneybags people who funded the super-PACs in a room and get them behind someone and tell the RNC to go fuck themselves.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 11:04 AM (qe2/V)

203 All these stories about the enemies within (GOP consultants) gives a good indication of what and who was behind the marginalization of the Tea Party.

Are these Armani leeches powerful in seeing that we get the worst party leadership possible, too?

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:04 AM (RDP+N)

204 Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2012 11:01 AM (Hx5uv)

Do they get infected with the evil rich guy laugh ?

Posted by: polynikes at November 29, 2012 11:04 AM (m2CN7)

205 ..."But it's easier to go on at length about entities
sharing office space than it is to go after Free Shit, Race and Major
Fraud. Only takes a look in a phone book.


Posted by: MrScribbler, banned at TepidAir at November 29, 2012 09:43 AM (yKUrR)......"I have no particular issue with RedState. Having said that, " Free Shit, Race and Major
Fraud"..... pretty much encapsulates why the results of Nov. 6th.My addendum is that there's not a damn thing to be done about it. Except wait for the debacle that's sure to come. And then rebuild, if possible.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:04 AM (BoE3Z)

206 Look on the bright side. If we cross our overseers and get sent up the river we can still access AoSHQ.


http://tinyurl.com/6mrrhmy


Really, how f'ing hard is it to keep smartphones off of the thugs? They even have a site documenting the people using them. FFS you have to be one lazy POS correction officer to have this go on.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:05 AM (fWAjv)

207 How do we get rid of Boner? Who can force a new vote for speaker? Worry abou Sarah later, with pics.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 11:05 AM (iy7de)

208 187
I had to come here for some sanity this morning. On FOX business
everyone is saying the Republicans HAVE to cave in to Obama because he
won!
Don't cave. Why would you do that? There is no gain, because the Republicans are the Devil whether they play ball, or not.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:06 AM (BoE3Z)

209 I am firmly in the Acceptance Stage of grief.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 29, 2012 11:06 AM (evdj2)

210 Do they get infected with the evil rich guy laugh ?

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Excellent.

Posted by: Monty Burns at November 29, 2012 11:07 AM (Hx5uv)

211 #200 She wasn't even strong enough to withstand the barrage from the Left in Alaska, and quit! Aside from the other stuff that would have been thrown at her, what would the Dems have done with a supposedly popular governor of a solid red state who quit? When the going gets tough, she quits! Sure want her on the other side of the table from Putin now, don't we?

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 11:07 AM (qe2/V)

212 Soyou're saying she wasn't strong enough to tell them to fuck off and run anyway. But Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain were.
Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 10:50 AM (qe2/V)



Palin didn't stand a chance in GOP backing, and she knew it.

The old GOP establishment, power hungry, lobbyist tied GOP elite HATE the Tea Party movement. And, Palin was their queen.

Romney is who the GOP establishment chose to run.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

213 181 @160, My wife I work at a private university and I've also seen this dean and administrator bloat. One of the dirty little secrets is Universities aren't giving out tenure track positions anymore, and when they do its very rare.

----

The adjunct thing is going to nail community colleges and other teaching-focused universities. Our local one is going to have to lay off tons of them because of Obamacare.

Teaching loads will have to go up for tenured faculty and that means administrators will ahve to be hired to facility their grant-writing and fundraising efforts.

The reason there are deans is because faculty will not do the Evil Administrative work required to pay their salaries. Granting agencies and donors expect to have explanations of where the money is going, what is the new and exciting thing the funds will enable, etc? Most tenured faculty can't be bothered to make that effort, nor do they play well with others.

When I was on the faculty, I was involved in a grant proposal that incorporated work from a dozen faculty from three different Schools and several departments. It was an institutional level enterprise that required the time of the university president, several deans, and Evil Administrators. If funded, it would have provided an endowed professorship, research funding, and novel equipment. The effort it took to keep the other faculty in line and focussed was ridiculous. The whole damned thing nearly collapsed because of a couple of faculty who got greedy and threatened to pull out.

Faculty in general are good at doing their own thing in their own narrow field of interest and at STOPPING things. They aren't very good at starting new things and are LOUSY at working for the good of the university. The ones who are good at it become center directors and in some cases deans, but they tend to have to sacrifice their own narrow research interests to do that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2012 11:09 AM (5H6zj)

214 For anyone preparing themselves to be disappointed by Boner and the GOP I have to let you know that you simply have to become more cynical before you ever again step into a voting booth.

In fact, you may have to become cynical enough that you don't step into a voting booth for a while.

There was zero chance they would do anything other than the worst thing they could do.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 11:09 AM (J4gw3)

215 I vote we have a thread about a scandal involving Denise Milani once per day.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:09 AM (KXm42)

216 How can they be so stupid? What difference does it make if the "majority" blames them? They will be blamed either way so why not try to save the country? I can't believe this is happening. Even the ones we elected are turning against us! We are still about half the country, but we have NO representation. Is there no alternative?
Posted by: AnnaS at November 29, 2012 10:56 AM (mQmzV)



Amen to that.

Sick, isn't it.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 11:11 AM (LpQbZ)

217 Like for instance: "How would dissolving Detroit affect Denise Milani? (pictured)".

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:11 AM (KXm42)

218
#203 the Tea Party is a leaderless grassroots movement. Those things are great for winning elections at local and state level, but not so much at a national level. Besides, they had less than 2 years after the 2010 midterms to get behind a Tea Party candidate for President. There wasn't enough time.

This was a lot like 1996, when conservatives were apoplectic that 2 years after winnng the House and having Bill Clinton on the ropes, we ended up with Bob Dole as the GOP nominee for President. There just wasn't enough time between 1994 and 1996.

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 11:12 AM (qe2/V)

219 If you are wondering why they would sell us out all you have to do is remember that they operate on the PR conventional wisdom 24/7, not only during elections.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 29, 2012 11:12 AM (J4gw3)

220
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 10:52 AM (4df7R)

How easy it is to forget that they are appropriately, and affectionally, known as the stupid party!
No matter how effective the MFM blackout is, every R that loves his country should make a public statement every freaking day




There should be a 365 day run ad that shows Reagan saying There you go again... after playing a dem talking point.

Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 11:14 AM (LpQbZ)

221 Zig Ziglar's heirsescape the new inheritance tax.

RIP.

http://fxn.ws/TsvXLD

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:14 AM (tQHzJ)

222 Republicans are, for the most part, merely stupid and weak. The Democrats, on the other hand, are both stupid and evil.

When these are your only choices, your country is fucked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (4df7R)

223
@213@181 @160,

Several months ago I heard the best description ever of the modern university, by Frank DeFord in one of his sports commentaries on NPR. He said,


"The modern university has three missions: to provide parking for the faculty, sex for the students, and sports for the alumni."

Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (qe2/V)

224 What we're reduced to is sitting around, picking through the bones of 2012, looking for scraps to gnaw on. It's over, and we're a leaderless rabble.
I hope somebody rises to the top for Conservatism, and gives some direction.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (BoE3Z)

225 There should be a 365 day run ad that shows Reagan saying There you go again... after playing a dem talking point.

It occurred to me the other day that that should be the Rs response to everything. Stop dignifying their narratives.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (RDP+N)

226 Ok, that first link is really pissing me off. I'm going to reregister as an Indpendent. Fuck the GOP. I'll still vote conservative, of course, but fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Marmo at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (QW+AD)

227 215 I vote we have a thread about a scandal involving Denise Milani once per day.
Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:09 AM (KXm42)

BREAKING NEWS!

What costume should Denise wear for next Halloween??!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX02WymYj
Lk

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:17 AM (fWAjv)

228 Sure want her on the other side of the table from Putin now, don't we?

Point taken, rockmom. I still think that was a fairly direct result of the GOP Machine's failure to come to her defense in the beginning.

She was left to twist in the wind.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:17 AM (lOmbq)

229 Song for the day:

Overkill - Let It Burn

http://tinyurl.com/cyt568w

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 29, 2012 11:17 AM (pLTLS)

230 "The modern university has three missions: to provide parking for the faculty, sex for the students, and sports for the alumni."

Four. Cash for the Regents.

There's a guy at my church with whom I've recently become friends who is a professor at UTA. Most of his time is spent filling out grant applications or writing papers. His TAs do most of the "teaching," with the exception of one doctoral level class he teaches on Evolution-something-or-other.

Colleges have turned into purely profit driven enterprises, and there isn't much profit in actually teaching classes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:18 AM (5DR1j)

231 I need BC to violate the close your tag policy, so I can fine him an internetz and he can try to bribe me.

Get on that, will you?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:19 AM (5DR1j)

232 That first link about the incestuous consultants needs to go hand in hand with this one:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/29/the-quisling-consultants/

Also a must read about the rot at the heart of the system.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:19 AM (RDP+N)

233 RushBabe, every business plan should include succession planning. The estate tax is a tax on poor planning. I don't know how anyone with assets can avoid the hordes of estate planning professionals willing to help them.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 11:21 AM (iy7de)

234 Denise Milani = Miss Sweater Mischief 2012.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:21 AM (lOmbq)

235 It occurred to me the other day that that should be the Rs response to everything. Stop dignifying their narratives.
Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:15 AM (RDP+N)


Never accept their premises: "It's nice that you believe that, but here's what's really going on."

"While my opponent continues to lie to your faces, let me tell you the truth."

"I'm sure you mean to be nothing but helpful by putting words in my mouth, but I'll speak for myself, thanks."

"Andrea, before I answer your question, have you received your W2 from the Democratic Party yet? Make sure you get on them about that, since all the work you do for them is classified as taxable employment."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:21 AM (4df7R)

236
231
I need BC to violate the close your tag policy, so I can fine him an internetz and he can try to bribe me.

Get on that, will you?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:19 AM (5DR1j)


Lmao

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 29, 2012 11:22 AM (da5Wo)

237 What costume should Denise wear for next Halloween??!?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX02WymYjLk



We need to stay on top of this developing situation! Thanks for your report.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:23 AM (KXm42)

238 That first link about the incestuous consultants needs to go hand in hand with this one:


I say this as a consultant (albeit an IT consultant, not a political one): people need consultants far less often than they believe. One of the most frightening questions we get when trying to land a new contract is "Why can't I just do this internally, and save myself your fee?"

Usually, by the time we've gotten that far in the discussion, we have a good answer (at least, my company usually does). Just the question, though, means that the mark potential client is really looking to solve a problem, and isn't just looking for a way to "look good" to his boss. I wish our politicians would act that way more.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:23 AM (5DR1j)

239 This week is gonna suck. We're looking at around 8-10 in of rain by Sun, and last night some contemptable cocksucker stole the cat converter out of my vehicle. And here in SoCal crime usually goes down in bad weather.

To make matters worse, I'm sitting in the Muffler shop parking lot in the rain and they're late opening the doors.

FML

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2012 11:25 AM (ymWVT)

240 We're looking at around 8-10 in of rain by Sun

Braggart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:26 AM (5DR1j)

241 Y-not, 213 - Many, many moons ago (I denounce myself) I tried to get my grad school to further develop my degree track, one in which graduates actually, gasp, got real, well-paying jobs. Imagine that. The faculty blindness, inertia, the snobbery were incredible. Mainly the laziness. Now the program faculty are just hanging on by their fingernails. Oh well.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at November 29, 2012 11:26 AM (0Db2g)

242 #190 Barack Obama had no support from the DNC in 2008 either. Didn't stop him. Now he's a two term president.

Did you ever see the Anita Moncrief videos about her time as an ACORN volunteer? She said Barack's name was listed in their headquarters as the 2008 presidential candidateYEARS before anyone had ever heard of him. And if you don't think all the evil progs didn't have $$ behind him from the get-go, I have a bridge...

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:26 AM (tQHzJ)

243 This week is gonna suck. We're looking at around 8-10 in of rain by Sun, and last night some contemptable cocksucker stole the cat converter out of my vehicle. And here in SoCal crime usually goes down in bad weather. To make matters worse, I'm sitting in the Muffler shop parking lot in the rain and they're late opening the doors. FML
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2012 11:25 AM (ymWVT)


Why on EARTH would anyone steal a catalytic converter? Wouldn't it be easier to just jack a Prius?

All joking aside, I'm sorry to hear it, ITC. Could you booby trap your car so that anyone who tries to touch it gets scared away by a cassette recording of a pitbull barking savagely and yanking at its chain?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:27 AM (4df7R)

244 So, the Hungarian Parliament wants a list of 'dangerous Jews.'

Surely there is nothing to worry about.

Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:28 AM (fWAjv)

245 So, the Hungarian Parliament wants a list of 'dangerous Jews.'


1. George Soros.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:28 AM (5DR1j)

246 So, the Hungarian Parliament wants a list of 'dangerous Jews.' Surely there is nothing to worry about.
Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:28 AM (fWAjv)


Can we give them Soros? Since our government is all about appeasement.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM (4df7R)

247 AllenG: GMTA!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM (4df7R)

248 So, the Hungarian Parliament wants a list of 'dangerous Jews.'

1. Jesus Christ

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM (RDP+N)

249 If the GOP had any nuts at all, Ms. Palin or LtCol West would be the next Speaker of the House. Let's pick one and throw the full weight of our support behind them.

Nowhere in our Constitution does it actually say the Speaker must actually be an elected member of the House of Representatives. I know the individual is right there in the succession order, but there it is in black and white and has been there a couple hundred years.

If we want to send a message, that's one worth sending. Fuck Harry Reid's 'nuclear option' bullshit.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM (hNXHo)

250 Usually, by the time we've gotten that far in the discussion, we have a good answer (at least, my company usually does). Just the question, though, means that the mark potential client is really looking to solve a problem, and isn't just looking for a way to "look good" to his boss. I wish our politicians would act that way more.

I've been wondering if I could, with all my years of manufacturing expertise, become a manufacturing consultant. When you solve a problem, the money spent on your company is quickly recouped in the form of increased productivity. Then, you could rightly call it an investment in the company.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:29 AM (lOmbq)

251 They are stealing cat converters out from under your car in CA? I though VDH was going nuts with the metal thieves stuff.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 11:30 AM (iy7de)

252 AllenG: GMTA!

Also: ours.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:30 AM (5DR1j)

253 She wasn't even strong enough to withstand the barrage from the Left in Alaska, and quit! Aside from the other stuff that would have been thrown at her, what would the Dems have done with a supposedly popular governor of a solid red state who quit? When the going gets tough, she quits! Sure want her on the other side of the table from Putin now, don't we?
Posted by: rockmom at November 29, 2012 11:07 AM (qe2/V)



Uh huh. She was being sued, literally, how many times a day?

Who was the last governor who was sued for wearing an Arctic Cat logo gear during the Iron Dog snowmobile race that her husband participates in?

Just a simple search ...

http://voices.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-defending-many-lawsuits-3074545.html

excerpt:

If you had visited the site http://www.sarahpalinsdefensefund.com/ few days ago, you would have seen that there is a place to donate to help Sarah Palin fight the numerous ridiculous ethics complaints law suits filed against her, law suits intended to make the Governor spend her personal money and bankrupt her in the process. It has been reported that Palin's family had to spend more than $500000 on legal fees fighting these ethical lawsuits which are partisan in nature, frivolous and politically motivated.
Palin had 10 ethics complaints filed against her recently. Out of the 10, 6 were considered as baseless and dismissed, while 3 are pending, and one concluded.


Posted by: beach at November 29, 2012 11:31 AM (LpQbZ)

254 I've been wondering if I could, with all my years of manufacturing expertise, become a manufacturing consultant.

Probably. It would take a lot of hustling, but it's not like you don't have some time on your hands, right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:32 AM (5DR1j)

255 On that manufacturing consultant thing, though, unfortunately "Fire all the union workers and hire non-union labor" will often not be a good enough answer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:32 AM (5DR1j)

256 Sure want her on the other side of the table from Putin now, don't we?
Oh, hellz yeah. I'd rather have Mr. "I'll Have More Flexibility After the Election" any day.

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (tQHzJ)

257 And trips abroad.

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (iy7de)

258 we are tougher on our own than the other side is.....and we adopt their memes so readily....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (GVxQo)

259 Why on EARTH would anyone steal a catalytic converter?

Platinum.

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (RDP+N)

260 I am in desperate need of a fluff thread. I nominate the Lindsay Lohan story be upgraded to solo post status. I feel the need to insult Hollywood in an environment specifically devoted to that purpose.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (4df7R)

261 What costume should Denise wear for next Halloween??!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX02WymYj


Wow, she is really short.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 11:34 AM (QGyiB)

262 Why on EARTH would anyone steal a catalytic converter?



Platinum.


But surely 10gp would be an easier way to get some platinum, right?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:34 AM (5DR1j)

263 Platinum.
Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (RDP+N)


Ah. It becomes clear now.

So they've moved on from copper to platinum theft now? Or are they merely expanding their entrepreneurial spirit?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:34 AM (4df7R)

264 Wow, she is really short.

Is short the new "pointy elbows?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:35 AM (5DR1j)

265
But surely 10gp would be an easier way to get some platinum, right?


If thieves were smart, they wouldn't be thieves.

They'd be 'GOP consultants.'

Posted by: Zsasz at November 29, 2012 11:35 AM (RDP+N)

266 211 She had $500K in legal fees and a new ethics complaint from a Democrat hack every week. What the Hell was she going to do? They set out to ruin her. It worked.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2012 11:36 AM (6H6FZ)

267 Via Drudge:

Obamas plan 20-Day, $4 million vacation
LINK: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/residents-alerted-to-obamas-hawaiian-holiday-plans/123

Offered without comment.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:36 AM (4df7R)

268 258
we are tougher on our own than the other side is.....and we adopt their memes so readily....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 29, 2012 11:33 AM (GVxQo)
It seems it's because we have no precise focus to our message. Lots of us say "limited government" or "individual liberty" or "economic freedom".....statements of that nature. All rather vague and general. Hell, liberals can co-opt these generalities to a degree.

Posted by: tubal at November 29, 2012 11:37 AM (BoE3Z)

269 Rand Paul on his stupid, weak colleagues folding like lawn chairs in a typhoon, on with Beck right now.

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:37 AM (tQHzJ)

270 Probably. It would take a lot of hustling, but it's not like you don't have some time on your hands, right?

Heh, yup. I've been thinking about something on the order of Skype, or some other virtual interaction, maybe by the hour, to initially diagnose and respond to a problem. Failing that, then I could make a personal appearance.

But then again, with the trail of all the machine shops I've worked for in this area that have gone tits up over the years, maybe I should become a Dim consultant...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:38 AM (lOmbq)

271 You really should try to type something.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 11:39 AM (UZJrF)

272 Stupid party indeed. Why there is no will in the GOP to fight voter fraud: http://bit.ly/YuhEN8

Posted by: RushBabe, Infidelicious at November 29, 2012 11:40 AM (tQHzJ)

273

the election was closer to 51/49 than 52/48.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 29, 2012 11:40 AM (qwfV8)

274 I can't get into that Obama vacation link. 20 days starting when? Why do I suspect the answer will be late enough in the year to take him past Dec. 31?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:41 AM (5DR1j)

275 Also offered without comment.

Zurich to Open "Drive In" Sex Boxes
LINK to the UK Telegraph: http://tiny.cc/vbnjow

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:42 AM (4df7R)

276 The Hawaii Reporter site appears to be connected via a War Games-vintage modem.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2012 11:42 AM (QGyiB)

277 "Insiders told TMZ that Lohan and the woman were sitting at separate
booths when the actress said something like, "Give me my space." Time
passed, according to the site, and Lohan allegedly got up and struck the
woman in the face."


Hey. The woman needed her space.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:42 AM (KXm42)

278 AllenG: According to White House Dossier (also linked at Drudge):

President Obama is reportedly scheduled to be vacationing in Hawaii on January 2, the date billions in spending cuts – and untold consequences for the economy – will kick in if a deal is not reached on the “fiscal cliff.”

According to the Hawaii Reporter, residents who live in the area of Oahu where Obama and his family vacation have been told that the usual restrictions on their movements during an Obama stay will be in place for 21 days, from December 17 through January 6....


LINK: http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/11/29/obama-slated-hawaii-cliff/


Bread and circuses.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:44 AM (4df7R)

279 Could you booby trap your car so that anyone who tries to touch it gets scared away by a cassette recording of a pitbull barking savagely and yanking at its chain?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:27 AM (4df7R)




Anyone know where I can get a cat filter?

I'm thinking something a little more substantial than scaring them with a pitbull recording. Claymore mines duct taped to the undercarriage should be scary enough for my purposes.

On the plus side, the muffler shop is across the street from an awesome Mexican bakery that I hadn't known about before. So my tummy's happy even if I'm not.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2012 11:44 AM (APkRP)

280 272 Stupid party indeed

Why is anyone still defending that "brand"? Seriously. They've ceded the entire field of battle to the Left...

Nice guys finish last. I'm so done with all of this.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 29, 2012 11:44 AM (hNXHo)

281 The brits are fucking idiots. As far as I know, bribing public officials
and hacking phones is illegal. Prosecute under those laws. But
nooooooooooo! They want "press regulators" on top of their
superinjunction bullshit.

---

Before we go insulting our Limey cousins, let's remember Mel Reynolds, our future senator.

Posted by: Monty Burns at November 29, 2012 11:45 AM (Hx5uv)

282 Do you remember how many electrum?

Posted by: Jean at November 29, 2012 11:45 AM (pmDdf)

283 Hey. The woman needed her space.

And the other lady's space too, apparently.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:45 AM (lOmbq)

284 So, CalPERS, the state employee retirement fund, is suing bankrupt San Bernardino? Here's a clue: Blood. Turnip. You know the drill, CalPERS - good luck with that.

In the sidebar: scientists have discovered a gigantic black hole, into which matter falls and can never return. Economists have discovered the second largest: it's CalPERS.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at November 29, 2012 11:46 AM (Jdtsu)

285 That monstrous black hole story on the sidebar, Is that another story about Sandra Flukes vagina?

Posted by: Will Folks at November 29, 2012 11:46 AM (vYB+W)

286 Do you remember how many electrum?

Wrong conversion. Electrum was 2nd Ed (also first, but that was before my time). Back then, GP to PP was not 10:1. That changed in 3rd Ed, when they also got rid of EP.

IIRC, back then, GP to EP was 1:5, and EP to PP was 1:10, making GP to PP 1:50.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:48 AM (5DR1j)

287 Noodle Boehner post up.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:48 AM (4df7R)

288 Anyone know where I can get a cat filter?

No, but I remember seeing tranny machine filters in the previous thread.

Howzabout a 220-volt line connected to the frame?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at November 29, 2012 11:48 AM (lOmbq)

289 We found some spending cuts!

We were gonna fight 5 wars over the next 15 years...well, we're only going to fight 2 now. Boom. Savings!

We've got some other stuff like that too, that we were planning on doing but we're scaling back a little. Bam. Cuts!

Now shut up and pay your taxes, serfs!

Posted by: Your Rulers at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (zpqa2)

290 Also offered without comment.



Zurich to Open "Drive In" Sex Boxes


----

If Bloomburg were mayor of Zurich, you could only get it with a size C or less.

Posted by: Monty Burns at November 29, 2012 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)

291 We need someone with brass like Obama had

It's exceeding simple to have brass ones when you have the media, hollywood and criminal political organizations fighting each other to give you blow jobs.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 29, 2012 11:52 AM (JZdmc)

292 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit, rooting for SMOD or the
Mayans, whichever comes first at November 29, 2012 11:44 AM


Thanks. If I had already posted something at a blog I had about Barack Obama's complete lack of feck, this would have caused me to update it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 29, 2012 11:53 AM (5DR1j)

293 Posted by: RWC at November 29, 2012 11:00 AM (fWAjv)

I remain convinced that the Rs deliberately screwed West out of his seat. Heaven forbid we have R men in Congress that are both leaders and unafraid to speak their minds!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at November 29, 2012 11:58 AM (Cnqmv)

294 It's exceeding simple to have brass ones when you have the media,
hollywood and criminal political organizations fighting each other to
give you blow jobs.


This. You guys need to stop thinking about how we should do what the Dems do.

It's apples and unicorns.

Posted by: eleven at November 29, 2012 11:59 AM (KXm42)

295 175 A Facebook user has guaranteed that her newborn baby girl will always be a trending topic after announcing that she had called her Hashtag.

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The bullies in school will ruin her life by calling her Octothorpe.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at November 29, 2012 12:07 PM (NmR1a)






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