Obama's Not Trying to Beat Problems, He's Still Trying to Destroy the GOP

The GOP seems to think that raising taxes is some kind of a solution. It's not. It's a poison pill.

Obama does in fact want to take the country over the cliff. It's win-win-win-win-win.* He gets to raise taxes (including on the middle class, which he needs to pay for his welfare state), he gets some cuts to the the military he despises, he gets cuts for Medicare (not part of his coalition), he gets to blame the GOP for all of this, and, bonus, he gets to claim the coming recession he's already engineered is the GOP's fault, too.

The GOP is in a bad situation and will try to give the store away to avoid this. We shouldn't. Let Obama have the economy he wants, and let him take responsibility for it, too.

* Update: It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global meltdown Depression 2.0. Then we'll see how much John Q. Sixpack really loves Obama.


Posted by: Ace at 09:02 PM



Comments

1

Soothsayer already said it.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:04 PM (yhYn1)

2 War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one. D Day

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 09:04 PM (9ghZ6)

3 Ahhh, welcome to the LIB club ace.

The only way to win is to not play the game.

Vote present, Republicans.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 28, 2012 09:05 PM (ccXZP)

4 We desperately need a loud and commanding voice of conservatism to call this bastard out and expose this shit, every hour on the hour if need be.

And what do we have? Fucking Boehner, the crying Quisling.

Unreal. Totally unreal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 09:06 PM (XkWWK)

5 Obama does in fact want to take the country over the cliff. It's
win-win-win-win-win. He gets to raise taxes (including on the middle
class, which he needs to pay for his welfare state), he gets some cuts
to the the military he despises, he gets cuts for Medicare (not part of
his coalition), he gets to blame the GOP for all of this, and, bonus, he
gets to claim the coming recession he's already engineered is the GOP's
fault, too.


The deal Boehner and McConnell negotiated a while back sure was something. Something.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 28, 2012 09:07 PM (Iyg03)

6 Yep,let the sequestration begin!

Posted by: steevy at November 28, 2012 09:07 PM (9XBK2)

7 I think even voting "present" won't work. We will get blamed no matter what because of the MFM and more ominously a public ready to believe the MFM because they are confirming what they learned as children and now believe as adults.

But, yeah, let it burn. The only consolation will be watching them suffer along with us. And yet they will still blame Bush. Madness.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 09:08 PM (XkWWK)

8 Let it burn.

We'll all suffer, but the stupid and dependent will hurt more. They'll blame the GOP, then they'll turn on Barry and Co.

Let it burn.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:09 PM (UOM48)

9 Burning Down the House!

Posted by: The Talking Heads at November 28, 2012 09:09 PM (YsIAN)

10 Destroying the GOP would be a bad thing... how?

I mean, if Obama can beat you with his brand, you deserve to get beat, don't you?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 09:09 PM (BeSEI)

11 And so yeah!!!! It was Boehner who negotiated this situation for the GOP....

So lets re elect him to the Leadership!!!!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 09:10 PM (lZBBB)

12 It's like pissing into the wind.

Goodnight, kids. See you in the morning.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 09:10 PM (XkWWK)

13 BURN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCnebZnysmI

Posted by: Deep Purple at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (dga6h)

14 In other news, jimi ray has his thong in a wad in the thread below.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (UOM48)

15 Honestly, it's simple. We thought the message was clear enough, and there was no way America would fall for the Obama nonsense again, but it did.

So you can't expect to win anything by sitting back and saying "hey, we're not Obama!" If that doesn't motivate you to get off your duff and propose a conservative agenda, it means you don't have one.

And if you don't have one, then we don't need you.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (BeSEI)

16 I've got a great idea. Lets raise taxes for everyone this year and talk about spending cuts sometime in 2015 or 3015.

Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2012 09:13 PM (nQMHQ)

17 GOP should just wait for the Dem/Obama plan. Make them submit a plan. Make them own it. Do not submit a plan because the MBM will just spend the whole time attacking it, but never pointing out that the Dems don't actually have a plan.


Actually, I think the GOP plan should be to just point out that Obama/Dems have no plan, have not ever had a plan, they just want to kick the can down the road another year or two.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 28, 2012 09:14 PM (Zd/NW)

18 Stuart Varney on Fox Business was interesting yesterday. He said he hasn't seen or experienced any euphoria whatsoever over Barry's winning from the Left.

He said it's as it they know they've fucked themselves (I may have edited that a tad) and are just waiting to see what happens.

In other words, no joy in Obamaland. Yet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:14 PM (UOM48)

19 But doesn't the fact that the GOP has already pre-emptively surrendered on taxes mean that going off "the fiscal cliff" is pretty much all Barry and Reid's fault.

I know - the MSM would have to speak the truth about this. So forget it.

Burn it all the hell down.

Posted by: DocJ at November 28, 2012 09:15 PM (V20sy)

20 Let.It.Burn.

Posted by: Palandine at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (g7D8V)

21 Step aside. Let Mr. Revenge have his way. That works for me. But apparently not for the Repubs or Mitt Christie who is meeting with Obama at the WH. It looks like no matter what the Republicans are determined to commit suicide.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (rznx3)

22 And what do we have? Fucking Boehner, the crying Quisling.



Unreal. Totally unreal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 09:06 PM (XkWWK)

And They just chose Him again, so what d

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (hX8cq)

23 14
In other news, jimi ray has his thong in a wad in the thread below.


Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (UOM4

That has been in the news for years now.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (Zd/NW)

24 FLiB.

Posted by: Joe Mama at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (EKr9U)

25

The Ue rate is gonna jump back up to 9% real soon. Then 10%. Obama knows this. Everyone knows this. Except Boehner, probably, who cant even keep a group of naked fools out of his own office.

So if the Republicans don't do anything, they will be blamed for the lousy economy in 2013.

Give Obama what he wants in exchange for a promise by Reid to pass a budget immediately.


Reid of course will break his promise but he's more the fool. And Obama will own the economy in 2013.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (W0gfD)

26
I am increasingly of the opinion that the House GOP should just vote "present" and let the dems and the SCOAMF own all the tax hikes and the economy.

Posted by: AnabolicState at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (nGsOy)

27 14 In other news, jimi ray has his thong in a wad in the thread below.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (UOM4

Anal fissure flare-up.

Posted by: BignJames at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (HtUkt)

28 what does that say*

ack

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:16 PM (hX8cq)

29 In other news, jimi ray has his thong in a wad in the thread below.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:12 PM (UOM4

what's the issue with jimi ray?

Posted by: elizabethe at November 28, 2012 09:17 PM (oU9pV)

30 Let It Burn.

No matter what happens, the GOP will be blamed. It's up to the individual candidates to sink or swim in 2014. Either they learn how to punch back twice as hard, or we go down the shitter. Hard.

Either way is fine with me. Obama voters don't have much in the way of ammo.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 09:17 PM (h+iQ9)

31 Why should Obama give a shit about any of this?

He's been re-elected, he has done things that should have resulted in his impeachment in his first term.

He's untouchable! UNASSAILABLE!

He has ruled by EO, he has forced his will through unconstitutional means, he has gotten the SCOTUS to give the imprimatur of contitutionality on his monsterous healthcare act.

He gets what he wants, when he wants it.

It has been this way his entire life.

He, the donks and the media are out to destroy the last vestiges of conservatism ans the GOP will aide them by playing along.


LIB


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 09:17 PM (0fxcV)

32 Ace, nice to see you have joined the choir. We are all LIBerals now.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 28, 2012 09:18 PM (tDieS)

33
Obama doesn't like the fiscal cliff? Tough - he signed the bill.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 28, 2012 09:18 PM (IH2b5)

34 So what if the public turns against Obama.

He can't run again.

He won't ever get impeached and thrown out of Office.

He won't resign.

Give the Democrats everything they want times ten.

Let the whole Federal Empire DIAF.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:18 PM (bWwMZ)

35 Howz my azzzzz taste Beyotches?

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at November 28, 2012 09:18 PM (jucos)

36 It really wasn't even that close.

Obama won by over 4.5 million votes. Virginia, Ohio, and Florida all elected GOP governors the last two years and Obama carried all three of those states.

Brand Romney just didn't sell.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 28, 2012 09:19 PM (+s/tO)

37 Republicans get blamed for Vietnam.

I'm honestly feeling pretty hopeless. Has the powerball drawing happened yet? Maybe I can buy a private island.

Posted by: Lauren at November 28, 2012 09:19 PM (wsGWu)

38 @18

Seems right Jane. Why else have they spent-weeks- now savaging everything Romney, despite the fact they won the election? It seems all my lib friends can do is drop joke after joke about Romney lately. It doesn't add up except the fact nothing good will from Obama winning and deep, deep, deep down they know this too but can't cop to the fact due to cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: Gaff at November 28, 2012 09:19 PM (KGYqV)

39 ace, the choice is ...

WE don't have a choice

either idea is repulsive and a loser for all of us.

but here we go either way.

holding onto our panties and hoping we all come out the other side.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:20 PM (hX8cq)

40 re: "Update: It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global meltdown Depression 2.0. Then we'll see how much John Q. Sixpack really loves Obama."

Pfft.

Only the 22nd Amendment will prevent John Q. Sixpack's *daughter*, Janeane L.G.B.T.Q. Prius-SlutWalk, from showing Obama precisely how much she loves him.

Posted by: oblig. at November 28, 2012 09:20 PM (cePv8)

41 Want the seate in tithe midterms ? Throw an unholy tantrum.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 28, 2012 09:20 PM (i0vBR)

42 The left did not want to re-elect Barack Obama, they only wanted to beat the GOP.

Posted by: Slublog at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (SjVZP)

43 Collapsing hard/fast is better than a slow death. Vote present and give him everything he wants...the "full load".

Live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (Anjf+)

44 Like my husband said, his Obamabot libtard siblings have already said they'll blame the fiscal cliff on the Republicans.

Okay. Fall over that cliff, due to Barky fucking refusing to touch entitlements. Let.It.Burn.

Fox said MoveOn.org and the ACLU came out of the WH today wearing shit-eating grins (I might have embellished the language a bit) and said, "Don't worry, Dear Leader won't be touching that shit."

Let
It
Burn

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (UOM48)

45

Boehner needs to end this silly standoff now.

In a week everyone will forget about this fiscal cliff crap. And then in February or March when, BAM!, the UE rate is 10%, it's all on Obama.

The Republicans need to put as much distance from all this as they can. Do not drag this out, Boehner.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (GcwH1)

46 17
GOP should just wait for the Dem/Obama plan. Make them submit a plan.
Make them own it. Do not submit a plan because the MBM will just spend
the whole time attacking it, but never pointing out that the Dems don't
actually have a plan.

Exactly right. If the Stupid Party was smart (SWIDT), they'd point this out. But they aren't. And they won't.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (h+iQ9)

47 The GOP is creaming itself over the prospect of moving the country and electorate leftward.

Those GOP ers who are doing the negotiating have no fear of losing their seats.

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (uR7BD)

48 Of course, though, the stupid party is going to cave in a big way. They've caved on everything else--the stimulus, the debt ceiling, etc. The more you turn your back on your pride, the easier it gets.

We should go over the fiscal cliff, and it would be the right thing to do, but it's won't happen. It would require GOP courage.

Posted by: Palandine at November 28, 2012 09:21 PM (g7D8V)

49 Yep,let the sequestration begin!

I was in favor of this solution before but didn't know that its name is sequestration. If you have to cut spending then go ahead cut 10 percent across the board. Let the government departments and agencies decide where and how they will cut. Obama and his voters are so into equality so let's have it, let's share the pain equally.

Posted by: Decaf at November 28, 2012 09:22 PM (lTb7m)

50 18
Stuart Varney on Fox Business was interesting yesterday. He said he
hasn't seen or experienced any euphoria whatsoever over Barry's winning
from the Left.

He said it's as it they know they've fucked themselves (I may have edited that a tad) and are just waiting to see what happens.

In other words, no joy in Obamaland. Yet.

________________________________________________________
Libs have been partying like it's 1999 for the past 3 weeks. Not sure on what planet this dude lives.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 09:22 PM (HDgX3)

51 >>>Why else have they spent-weeks- now savaging everything Romney,

They live on hate and disdain for their fellow man. Without it they cannot go on. We live on hope and confidence in our fellow man. Without that we cannot go on.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at November 28, 2012 09:22 PM (0q2P7)

52 36. Romney actually outperformed most if not all of the senate candidates. It's brand Republican that didn't sell well.

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 28, 2012 09:22 PM (tDieS)

53 LET IT BURN, MOTHERFUCKERS!

Posted by: Samuel Jackson, Converted Red Stater at November 28, 2012 09:23 PM (+AV7H)

54 Libs have been partying like it's 1999 for the past 3 weeks. Not sure on what planet this dude lives.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 09:22 PM (HDgX3)



I have no idea where you live, but my husband deals with libs in business who have been quiet about "The Win." I think the most intelligent (ha) of the Obamabots know that they've fucked themselves. They voted for a false messiah, and they're going to suffer. Big Time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:25 PM (UOM48)

55 Obama's second inauguration/coronation is going to be a sweet sweet party,on our dime!

Posted by: steevy at November 28, 2012 09:26 PM (9XBK2)

56
Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 09:17 PM (0fxcV)
=====
Yeah. We're just jerking off about this fiscal bullshit. The GOP is complicit.
Man go back and read HillBuzz from election night. I forgot about half the shit we believed before the election, like double digit Independents.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 09:26 PM (9ghZ6)

57 The party that could not beat the worst President ever should pack up and shut off the lights before it locks up and goes home forever.

Every GOP member of the House should resign tomorrow.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:26 PM (bWwMZ)

58 SCOAMT

Posted by: dcbluenose at November 28, 2012 09:27 PM (7D4mf)

59 " It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global meltdown
Depression 2.0. Then we'll see how much John Q. Sixpack really loves
Obama."


That is the only way we win. The Obama loving idiots can't be told, they have to experience it firsthand. And I would fucking LOVE that.



Posted by: Dang at November 28, 2012 09:27 PM (R18D0)

60 I'm trying to get over this feeling we've been sold out.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:27 PM (hX8cq)

61 Boehner better grow some big balls and order TFG around and tell Reid and the senate that it's been more that three years since they have passed a budget!

IF they do not at least submit a budget the blame should be on Reid and the sensate dems.
But the Republicans will be blamed, Boehner has to put that thinking cap on and figure a way out of the Rs going the way of the Whigs!

SCOAMF has always planned to blame the republicans, that's the only thing he has done since he's been in office, throw blame at others, Bush, straw men and whoever else he can think of. Maybe Dick Cheney will come out and tell him off! The fools that voted for O won't give a damn but we'll feel better if we sick Cheney throwing flames at SCOAMF. He's done it before, he's been silent lately.

Posted by: CarolT at November 28, 2012 09:27 PM (z4WKX)

62 54


I
have no idea where you live, but my husband deals with libs in business
who have been quiet about "The Win." I think the most intelligent (ha)
of the Obamabots know that they've fucked themselves. They voted for a
false messiah, and they're going to suffer. Big Time.

___________________________-

In my business dealings I don't utter a peep about politics. And in general, I have no idea who is a lib or a con in my business dealings either. Smart business people keep politics out of their business affairs. You don't let red or blue get in the way of green.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 09:28 PM (HDgX3)

63 Mike Rounds to run for Senate in SD for 2014. Very good news for GOP, I think Dem Johnson will retire soon

Posted by: Jack J at November 28, 2012 09:28 PM (neP+W)

64 That is the only way we win. The Obama loving idiots
can't be told, they have to experience it firsthand. And I would
fucking LOVE that.





Posted by: Dang at November 28, 2012 09:27 PM (R18D0)

yes they will be told, republicans did this.
just as they've been told since Obama became the primary winner in 2008

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:29 PM (hX8cq)

65 Fuck him. Shut it down, it's pumping mud.

Posted by: Zakn at November 28, 2012 09:29 PM (zyaZ1)

66 But the GOP has to say it LOUD when they hand over the keys to the doom machine! "It's all your's, Obama. Succeed or fail. It is all yours."


Posted by: Dang at November 28, 2012 09:29 PM (R18D0)

67 It's not that easy for Obama, the current continuing resolution expires end of March. The House needs to push deep cuts to go with the inevitable tax increase.

What better time to shut down the government than a year and a half before the next election. Nothing gets spent unless the House appropriates it.

Posted by: Kazinski at November 28, 2012 09:29 PM (fYqHR)

68 No matter what, taxes and spending are both going up.

So, pile the wood high and soak it in gasoline.

Kill it with fire.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:29 PM (bWwMZ)

69 Metal Church said it best:

http://tinyurl.com/bus8ryk

Posted by: Witchfinder at November 28, 2012 09:30 PM (s/PhC)

70
Obama has said he wants to raise taxes on millionaires, the R's should let him. Draw the line at one million/year to protect the middle class and small business' and let the D's tax the "millionaires" at whatever rate they want. Remember, that 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country voted strongly for Obama. Why should we defend these assholes and take a political hit for them. They voted for Obama, they should get what they voted for good and hard. And repeal the Hollywood Tax Cuts, as the Instapundit would say.
People on the right will scream that raising taxes on the rich won't fix the budget mess and may well send us into a recession/depression. This is true, but I think we are going to go into recession/depression in 2013 regardless because of Obamacare and the D's reckless regulation and overspending. Let it burn, then scream repeatedly, "Hey, Obama got what he wanted, it's all his fault!"

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 28, 2012 09:31 PM (VDovR)

71 So how does the GOP let it burn and put the blame where it belongs, on the Dems?

Posted by: PJ at November 28, 2012 09:31 PM (ZWaLo)

72 I have no idea where you live, but my husband deals
with libs in business who have been quiet about "The Win." I think the
most intelligent (ha) of the Obamabots know that they've fucked
themselves. They voted for a false messiah, and they're going to suffer.
Big Time.




Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach


Shit. Wait till Obamacare kicks in.

Posted by: Dang at November 28, 2012 09:31 PM (R18D0)

73 Hubby and I are watching The Poseidon Adventure on AMC. Appropriate for where our country is right now, I believe.

Posted by: Jmel at November 28, 2012 09:32 PM (c+D8V)

74 The GOP now exists to be scapegoats in the same manner that Meggie Mac exists to dump on them

And they seem OK with this arrangement. Just happy to be there

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 09:32 PM (wwsoB)

75 So how does the GOP let it burn and put the blame where it belongs, on the Dems?


Posted by: PJ

"We'll try it Obama's way and see what happens. But don't fucking blame us when it all goes to shit, which it will." Too bad no one in office has the balls to say it.

Posted by: Dang at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (R18D0)

76

Don't get crazy, now.

All we're looking for is to flip 5% of the people back to our side. It won't take much, either.

When they feel they're back breaking they'll finally wake up and turn around to see who's loading all that burden upon them.

But Boehner needs to make that deal.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (I87cK)

77
Consider the power of the media and it's ability to influence thought.

If you voted for George Bush in 2000 and 2004, and remember how the media reviled him, you now retroactively hate Bush and blame him for a lot that has gone wrong in the last few years. I've read that on this blog.
Even though you aren't joining the Left, you also now reflexively hate Republicans too, because it's their fault that the politics and culture of this country has turned away from their message. That self - hate thing keeps you warm at night, I guess.
And some people are still clinging to the notion that there is a magic Republican/Conservative out there that will change this. And Romney ran a screwed up campaign. They taught you that.
People should re-read their own comments from just 8 weeks ago, when there was real optimism about winning on November 6, and the people that were doubtful were ridiculed as Eyores.

Remember that the enemy, yes the enemy, not the loyal opposition, or our fellow countrymen with those mystic chords that bind us, but the enemy is the Obama Regime, and the illegitimate and frankly destructive policies that they follow. His helpful henchmen are the Media Whores, like just about all of them. They've revved this up and now they are about to reap the harvest.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (Md8Uo)

78 If any Democrat blames the GOP for the full expiration of the Bush tax rates, they should be reminded that they themselves claimed that Clinton's tax rates were responsible for the last surplus and eight years of prosperity. Now, about those Clinton era spending rates...

Balanced approach, bitches.


Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (h+iQ9)

79 40. If Joe Q produces a daughter like that then not only did he fail as a father, he failed the country.

It reminds me of something I've always thought about the "Greatest Generation." Sure they weathered the Great Depression and won WWII but they also produced the baby boomers, the most narcissistic and nihilistic generation in American history.

Standing in a soup line and defeating Hitler doesn't get you off the hook if you're also responsible for Peter, Paul, and Mary.

Any generation that produces hippies on such a massive scale forfeits the term "Greatest."

Posted by: MorphysGhost at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (tDieS)

80 The House needs to push deep cuts to go with the inevitable tax increase.

Obama will present a budget. The house should just pass it, as-is. That forces the Senate to be in the crosshairs.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:33 PM (Anjf+)

81 "It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global meltdown Depression 2.0."

Actually, the global meltdown is yet another win. Can't make a global omelet without breaking some eggs. Obama's mentors spent their youth fomenting violent revolution and barely avoid spending most of their lives in prison. They've since figured out that you can get the populace to volunteer to be economically bombed rather than bombing them for real.

When it all collapses they get to build their imaged utopia with Skittles-shitting unicorns in every backyard.

Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 09:34 PM (kcfmt)

82
I like the GOP style so far in terms of the Senate. Rounds and Capito in Wva are trying to force retirements of the Dems. Agressive.
I just wish Boehner had the same guts

Posted by: Jack J at November 28, 2012 09:34 PM (neP+W)

83
Vote "present" until he produces a plan, then vote "aye". When asked by the MFCSM WTF is going on, reply "He won."

Anytime you hear someone bitching about anything, just ask them who they voted for. If they say "Obama" tell them karma's a bitch.

Posted by: sherlock at November 28, 2012 09:34 PM (f29LO)

84 #50- You're right, Varney said that the left hasn't celebrated the O win. Does that mean they want this county to be fucked?

10% cuts to everything, starting with their salaries, benefits, cars, and all the free stuff they get on our $$! Federal employees are next, Obamacare goes down the toilet because they can't pay for it. This could turn out better, smaller government is what we wanted.

Posted by: CarolT at November 28, 2012 09:34 PM (z4WKX)

85 And Obama will own the economy in 2013.

JEF will never own anything bad. You've been around long enough to know this.

Posted by: Ronster at November 28, 2012 09:35 PM (nQMHQ)

86 Didn't Obama berate Romney for not willing to accept one dollar in tax cuts for every ten dollars in spending cuts?

Posted by: CraigPoe at November 28, 2012 09:36 PM (BVkEs)

87 Obama is the most amoral politician I've ever known.

Posted by: KR1 at November 28, 2012 09:36 PM (oEfom)

88 epobirs, at that point, the appealing promise of unicorns for everyone gives way to undisguised lust for power.

Posted by: Mindy at November 28, 2012 09:37 PM (6jLT3)

89 11 minute documentary

The Madness of a Lost Society: A New Micro Doc

http://tinyurl.com/bll3v24

Includes the Black Friday barbarians at the gate and Sandy victims pleading for their government to save them

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 09:37 PM (wwsoB)

90 Let it Burn won't work.

If Obama gets his tax hikes and defense cuts the fiscal cliff will be averted. That being the whole point. The stock market will continue to rise with investment as the CEO's gain confidence from the debt deal.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 28, 2012 09:37 PM (+s/tO)

91 Obama will own the economy in 2013.

Affirmative Action means only owning the victories.

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2012 09:37 PM (dga6h)

92 I've got it.

Tell the dems they can have everything they want if, and only if, they submit a budget. Make them own everything, then LIB.

Posted by: Lauren at November 28, 2012 09:38 PM (wsGWu)

93 Let. It. Burn.

Stupid hurts, Obamabots. Learn from it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:38 PM (UOM48)

94 e. Rounds and Capito in Wva are trying to force retirements of the Dems. Agressive.

With diligent digging, I'm certain you could come up with enough scandal dirt on enough Dems to flip the senate in special elections after they resign.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:39 PM (Anjf+)

95 42 -

I think that's one of the things that caused some of us to be optimistic. There was no enthusiasm for Obama, and I've heard that from several people who voted for him.

You have to give them credit, they knew how to win this: convince enough people to hate Republicans more than they love Democrats. And it worked.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 09:39 PM (BeSEI)

96 Let it Burn won't work.

If Obama gets his tax hikes and defense cuts the fiscal cliff will be averted. That being the whole point. The stock market will continue to rise with investment as the CEO's gain confidence from the debt deal.
Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 28, 2012 09:37 PM (+s/tO)

Nope. The tax hikes will shrink the economy and reduce revenue and the spending cuts won't be enough to compensate.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:40 PM (bWwMZ)

97

>>> If Obama gets his tax hikes and defense cuts the fiscal cliff will be averted.

A graduate from the Paul Krugman College of Economic Wizards, I see.

You dunce.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:41 PM (GcwH1)

98 But Boehner needs to make that deal.

What deal? The Democrats haven't even proposed a deal. Not that I disagree with your premise, but we have to at least have something to concede to first, not propose it ourselves. It's one thing to give Obama what he wants, it's quite another to hand Obama what he wants.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 09:41 PM (h+iQ9)

99 Obama plan in a nutshell

1) Gut the Filibuster
2) Go over the cliff. Watch it burn. Start double dip recession.
3) Blame it on the Repub
4) Take back the House in 2014 from evil Repubs who "cause" recession
5) Boot on the neck time. Two years to ram everything down the country's fucking throat. House and Senate in Dem hands. No Filibuster. Pack the Court. Hard Left, Hard Core.


Obama wants the recession. He thinks its a political winner. This is all a fucking trap.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 09:42 PM (ZPrif)

100 Yes, it MUST come from the Democrats. Offer nothing, accept anything.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:43 PM (Anjf+)

101 #79

Whenever I hear about the Greatest Generation who fought WWII I feel the need to mention that it was members of the same generation on the other side of the war.

Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 09:43 PM (kcfmt)

102

The deal is this: tax hikes for the top bracket, and no spending cuts.

That's what Obama wants. Give it to him. With the conditions I wrote above, of course.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:43 PM (Y4TdB)

103 @90

Hurbert,

The Stock Market will rise due to Inflation, but the strength of the economy is based on employment Debt to GDP.

Tax Hikes at this point are like pissing in a Lake!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (uis79)

104 Reading the recent posts from my Obamabot, highly edumacated sibs-in-laws, all these assholes think about are their next glamorous vacations. That's it.

Their Obamabot chillin's are exactly the same. They just don't have their idiot multi-marriaged parental units disposable incomes.

Not a single one of these idiots knows about Benghazi. But, BOOOOOSH is a war criminal. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

Pray for me over Christmas Day. I'll either die of an alcohol induced coma, or go starkers and run naked through the streets of ATL until someone mercy kills me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (UOM48)

105 You have to give them credit, they knew how to win this: convince enough people to hate Republicans more than they love Democrats. And it worked.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 09:39 PM (BeSEI)
---------------------------------------------------------
You're right. It is the palestinian approach to American Politics.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (jucos)

106 NO, because business's have many more costly regulations, jobs, revenue, obamacre. epa standards

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (hX8cq)

107 Nope. The tax hikes will shrink the economy and reduce revenue and the spending cuts won't be enough to compensate

Exactly. And the automatic tax hikes will force some of the tyrant's minions to have some skin in the game for the first time since, ironically, the Bush era. I would LOVE for us to go over the cliff. But, again, it would require the stupid party to grow a pair.

Posted by: Palandine at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (g7D8V)

108 If Obama gets his tax hikes and defense cuts the fiscal cliff will be averted.

lol

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (5We05)

109 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

Posted by: bill-o at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (AWwDY)

110 ---------------------------------------------------------

You're right. It is the palestinian approach to American Politics.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (jucos)

yes, And , the lefts the world over.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (hX8cq)

111 Obama wants the recession. He thinks its a political winner.

Its all good until some unemployed disgruntled Teamster decides to go splodydope on him.

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (Anjf+)

112 Tell the dems they can have everything they want if, and only if, they submit a budget. Make them own everything, then LIB.

Posted by: Lauren at November 28, 2012 09:38 PM (wsGWu)

This has always seemed to be the most reasonable of the many bad options we have. At least we would get an Obama budget on paper and force the dems to vote yea or nay so that there is a paper trail. It really doesn't matter what is in the budget, because Obama won. If all the Repubs then voted "present" that would be a sweet thing to see, but I doubt they'd have the spines to go that far.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (Cnqmv)

113 Obama wants the recession. He thinks its a political winner. This is all a fucking trap.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 09:42 PM (ZPrif)

That is why the best option is to make the recession into a complete nightmare.

Kill it with fire.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (bWwMZ)

114 @98

The GOP is literally bargaining with itself.

It's surreal but this is the cosmic joke of a political party we call the GOP.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (0fxcV)

115
Dear Herbert Fuckenhimer
Besides being a trolling idiot, you're wrong.
Raising taxes substantially in this moribund economy and directing all this looted wealth at the least productive sector of the economy (the Federal government)will drive unemployment up.
Consumption will go down. Where these magic stock market earnings will come from is a mystery to me. People will have less money, which of course is a perfect reason for economic confidence and growth.

Raising taxes in a faltering economy will not increase revenue. The budget will not come any closer to being balanced. There were balanced budgets all through the Great Depression, and we could never climb out of the hole of slow growth and economic stagnation because of FDR's ridiculous meddling in the economy; "experimenting", created a huge amount of uncertainty.
The onset of WWII ended a lot of the silly experimentation, because the economy had to work (all though there was all kinds of rationing and market control) , plus 16 million men and women were under arms and in the military, making labor more valuable.
What color is the sky on your world. Idiot.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is not Santa Claus at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (Md8Uo)

116 Personal OT. Black 25 year old female comes into ER tonight wanting drugs. Docs won't give her drugs because she's pregnant. Her argument. "I'm getting an abortion tomorrow so it doesn't matter. Give me drugs."

Sometimes the loathing I feel for members of my own species is beyond words.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (dvRYt)

117 Depression II: The Obamaning

Own it, fuckers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (UOM48)

118 @104

"Pray for me over Christmas Day. I'll either die of an alcohol induced coma, or go starkers and run naked through the streets of ATL until someone mercy kills me."

Screw That! Get shitface drunk and mocking the stupid Motha-F'ers! Bring data with you and rub it their face!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 09:47 PM (uis79)

119 Why hasn't some right-wing billionaire given Steven Crowder a million $ to make funny right wing videos all day? He's good at it. Maybe the best we got right now.

Remi @ Cato/Reason (Reason, I think) makes funny music videos about free market economics. Give him a fucking grant or two.

We got plenty of people who write shit. We need funny videos. Funny gifs. That are funny and clever and kinda make a point or two.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 09:47 PM (ZPrif)

120
@ 77
Hold on now. I am a Conservative first and I vote for R's because the D's are a joke ( controlled by the Socialist-far left of the party since 1972). But I loathe GW Bush, and it's not because the MSM told me too. It's because he sucked as a President and set the stage for the crap that followed him-re Obama. If you remember in 2000 GW ran as a new Reagan, that was his promise. Then he gets in office 1) kills the balanced budget (that we Conservatives had fought for years to get ) 2) spends wildly with huge deficits 3) reacts in 2008 with bailouts and other big gov't solutions to the financial crisis. He was a big spending, big gov't loving asshat like his daddy. In fact, when I voted in 2000 I remember saying to myself "I hope you don't disappoint me like your father did!" Well, he did, in spades.

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (VDovR)

121 116
Personal OT. Black 25 year old female comes into ER tonight wanting
drugs. Docs won't give her drugs because she's pregnant. Her argument.
"I'm getting an abortion tomorrow so it doesn't matter. Give me drugs."


Sometimes the loathing I feel for members of my own species is beyond words.


Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at November 28, 2012 09:46 PM (dvRYt



Dear God. No words. She's one of Obama's own.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (UOM48)

122 The Republicans (conservatives) don't needObama's help. They're doing a perfectly good job of destroying themselves.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (WwR1j)

123

Look, there are a lot of layoffs coming. If we do the spending cuts, even if they don't take effect for a year, every layoff will be blamed on Republicans.

Politically it is foolish to force spending cuts when we're on the cusp of a recession. We will get wiped out in 2014.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (dBRQZ)

124 #90

Both of those things mean unemployment skyrockets. Remember those WARN layoff notices the Administration convinced companies to illegally delay until after the election? That was small sample.

Right now, everybody who works for a company that has more than 50 but fewer than 60 employees is wondering if they are the guy the company can do without.

Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 09:49 PM (kcfmt)

125 Maybe we can get Jimmy Ray to play a Deficit Bennefit?

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2012 09:49 PM (dga6h)

126 Tax hikes didn't shrink the economy in the mid 90s when Clinton put the top rate at 39.6%. It boomed instead. Putting that same rate in now won't hurt it a bit.

You either pay for shit of wind up like Greece. 10yr Treasuries say we won't have inflation either. The yield is at an all time low.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 28, 2012 09:50 PM (+s/tO)

127
"GOP should......"
"Republicans need to...."
HA! They WON'T. They DON'T. When's the last time you saw them pull any kind of power play?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 09:50 PM (9ghZ6)

128 Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (VDovR)


But dynastic politics is the new American way, and Jeb is warming up over in the debate hall as we speak!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 28, 2012 09:50 PM (Cnqmv)

129 Well, it IS burning, just mostly off to the west a little.

Have you read Spengler's last on Asia? Seems NZ, OZ, China, Japan, etc have entered into a trade agreement - and specifically left the US out. We're now poor relations, lousy innovators, meddlesome cretins. The kicker is we presented the idea to them and they said Thanks, sounds like something we should do. Now go get your shinebox.

Posted by: uterus cannon at November 28, 2012 09:50 PM (RLTt1)

130 @126

OMG...It's on Motha-F'er

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (uis79)

131 whoops...Benefit.

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (dga6h)

132 We will get wiped out in 2014.
Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:48 PM (dBRQZ)

Good.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (bWwMZ)

133 125
Maybe we can get Jimmy Ray to play a Deficit Bennefit?

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2012 09:49 PM (dga6h)



He'd need security to hold back the throngs of women rushing the stage. And the thrown panties, think of the panties....

I don't think anyone could afford his awesome guitar skilz. He says he's one of the greatest, ever.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (UOM48)

134
Scre 'em. Over the cliff. Those twinkies voted for this, and it's time to serve out the grief. I'd cancel all of the Bush tax cuts, take the sequestration etc. Unless this country gets a giant dose of fiscal cod liver oil, we're going to bleed out.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (oe1aw)

135 Maybe if we don't get our shit together the Chinese will do it for us. I wonder what would happen if the tyrant asked them for another trillion to keep the country going for another year and they said "No"?

Posted by: Palandine at November 28, 2012 09:51 PM (g7D8V)

136
@ 126
There was this thing called the Internet Bubble.

Posted by: ronnie raygun at November 28, 2012 09:52 PM (VDovR)

137 spending cuts should be top down.

president , senate, house.

i'm sure every american cept those affected won't mind a bit.

didn't do your job ! we'd be fired instead they re re-elected and give Themselves raises.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:52 PM (hX8cq)

138 81 "It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global meltdown Depression 2.0."

Actually, the global meltdown is yet another win. Can't make a global omelet without breaking some eggs. Obama's mentors spent their youth fomenting violent revolution and barely avoid spending most of their lives in prison. They've since figured out that you can get the populace to volunteer to be economically bombed rather than bombing them for real.

When it all collapses they get to build their imaged utopia with Skittles-shitting unicorns in every backyard.
Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 09:34 PM (kcfmt)


The Cloward Piven Global Meltdown ain't gonna be such a win for the grad school set.
Your average big mouthed intellectually hefty Leftist can't figure out changing a tire without calling AAA. Look at Staten Island.
That's why, for all their outward contempt, they only half-convincingly sneer at any talk of secession/getting away from them. If it weren't for non-Democrats (everybody else), Democrats would starve.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 28, 2012 09:52 PM (cyrh6)

139 Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at November 28, 2012 09:50 PM (+s/tO)


Please, please introduce me to your pharmaceutical supplier, you obviously have access to some grade A+ choom!

Posted by: Barky Ochooma at November 28, 2012 09:52 PM (Cnqmv)

140 I hope I'm not being too obvious here but .... FDR.

Remember how the Great Depression worked out for Republicans? And FDR?

Neither do today's Republicans.

Dude, the worse things are, the better they are for Democrats. Every time.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at November 28, 2012 09:53 PM (KPhhr)

141 While I am in the LIB camp, I have to wonder if the actual voters rather than us (who thought Romney would win in a landslide) would not like that.

And if I were the GOP I would keep my demands simple and in the open, like 3 tax increases that hurt the Dems, defense spending cuts of 5%, and then let Bammer do whatever else he wants, but stick to the simple, trasnparent demands so the press can't blame you.

But the GOP never learns, so we are back in secret talks that will lead to us being blamed.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 09:53 PM (xo+9P)

142 >>>the thrown panties, think of the panties....

We could make a bigger tent!

Posted by: garrett at November 28, 2012 09:53 PM (dga6h)

143 2
War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one. D Day


OVER, WHO SAYS IT OVER?


http://tinyurl.com/3ss566p

Posted by: Sen Balosky at November 28, 2012 09:54 PM (wR+pz)

144 I had remembered reading talk of another downgrade, has that happened yet?

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:54 PM (hX8cq)

145 Dude, the worse things are, the better they are for Democrats. Every time.

Posted by: Paul A'Barge at November 28, 2012 09:53 PM (KPhhr)

Except 1980.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (bWwMZ)

146 I don't know Ace. I'm at a complete loss. They seemed to love Roosy just fine. Right now I'm just thinking that the gene pool is dangerously overloaded with stupid and natural selection is long overdue for a serious cull.


Posted by: garfish at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (RDnLr)

147 78
If any Democrat blames the GOP for the full expiration of the Bush tax
rates, they should be reminded that they themselves claimed that
Clinton's tax rates were responsible for the last surplus and eight
years of prosperity. Now, about those Clinton era spending rates...

_______________________________________________________

This would require a member of the Stupid Party to not be stupid.

It's amazing to me how the GOP just refuses to put out these types of arguments. Yeah, yeah the MSM filter. But all I hear from Boehner is the same tired "small businesses will suffer" stuff. Nobody buys it anymore. What Boehner needs to say is

1. If higher tax rates for the middle class are so awful, why did Democrats fight tooth and nail against the Bush tax cuts FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS in 2001 and 2003?

2. Why does Obama keep talking about higher taxes on millionaires and then insist someone making $250K pay higher taxes?

3. We'll go back to Clinton tax rates if we go back to the same spending to GDP ratio in 2000.

4. Obama always trots out some family that will end up living under a bridge if Obama doesn't get what he wants. Do the same. Bring out a business owner who makes $300K and employs 15 people. Show how he will have to let go 2 people if his taxes increase. And then talk to the 15 employees and get their take on the matter.

Go on the fucking offensive for once Boehner. Don't just sit back and defend yourself from Democrat attacks.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (HDgX3)

148 "Bonesteel." Heh

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (Dll6b)

149 i know this is tinfoilish, but are some waiting for western world collapse ? well besides the usual suspects.


Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (hX8cq)

150 Let it all fucking burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (ZETiK)

151 Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 09:44 PM (UOM4

I'm being very very careful where I spend the Holidays.

There are people I just do not want to be around, and luckily, have over the years seperated myself enough from Family that I have the choice of who to see and spend time with.

I figured out a LONG time ago, that there is family you choose, and family forced upon you.... but how much time you spend with them IS your choice.

And I'd rather be alone, than with people I do not want to be with.... guess that comes from my Navy days when I HAD no Freedom of Association... now I guard that jelously...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (lZBBB)

152

Paul Krugman is very proud of you, Herpie.

Posted by: soothie at November 28, 2012 09:56 PM (052zE)

153 "Tax hikes didn't shrink the economy in the mid 90s when Clinton put the top rate at 39.6%. It boomed instead. Putting that same rate in now won't hurt it a bit.

You either pay for shit of wind up like Greece. 10yr Treasuries say we won't have inflation either. The yield is at an all time low."

The mid 90's were not a recession, and furthermore, correlation is not causation.

And since you appear ignorant, part of the problem with Greece, Spain, Portugal etc., is that they DID RAISE taxes and then the economy went down, and they make LESS revenue. which fuels a death spiral.

Estonia instead slashed spending. They are already back to normal, and did not fall into a death spiral.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 09:57 PM (xo+9P)

154 @147

Fucking Word!

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 09:58 PM (0fxcV)

155 #126

Nice selective memory. Apparently you've chosen to forget the tech bubble that gave us the projected (aka illusional) surplus and then brought about the 2000 recession when it inevitably popped. At that point Alan Greenspan thought it would be clever to inflate the housing market to create a new bubble. And when that one burst it made a mess that made everyone think things were swell in 2000.

It was all bad economic policy followed by even worse economic policy. Eventually the bills have to be paid. Putting it off just makes it worse for whoever is left without a chair when the music stops.

Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 09:58 PM (kcfmt)

156 Oh, and by slash spending, we don't mean Portugal style, where spending is up .7% despite "austerity."

Estonia actually fired people in government jobs.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 09:58 PM (xo+9P)

157 Lighten up Horde. Christmas is a coming!

I posted this earlier. For all our Jewish Morons, I think you all will like it.



http://tinyurl.com/5jet7d



Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 28, 2012 09:59 PM (wR+pz)

158 Obama always trots out some family that will end up
living under a bridge if Obama doesn't get what he wants. Do the same.
Bring out a business owner who makes $300K and employs 15 people. Show
how he will have to let go 2 people if his taxes increase. And then talk
to the 15 employees and get their take on the matter.

Go on the fucking offensive for once Boehner. Don't just sit back and defend yourself from Democrat attacks.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (HDgX3)

i liked all your post, but especially this idea.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (hX8cq)

159 The Swiss are smart. They passed an proposition a few years ago that automatically limits government spending based on a formula, so that in good times they cannot go bananas - its linked to economic growth too, so libs have to consider that if they want more hand-outs for votes.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (xo+9P)

160 Republicans presenting a counter argument or going on the offensive is just not done!

Posted by: Karl Rover at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (Cnqmv)

161 111 Obama wants the recession. He thinks its a political winner.

Its all good until some unemployed disgruntled Teamster decides to go splodydope on him.
Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 09:45 PM (Anjf+)


And there's the -excuse me- magic bullet.
There's a whole, whole lot of beak-wetters waiting for Don Vito Downgrade to start dispensing real favors. As the cold hard reality of math catches up to whichever of them are left disappointed, one of those disgruntled will take a pot shot.

That's just our history. Political violence has come, occasionally from the insane, but almost always from The Left.

Posted by: BuddyPC at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (cyrh6)

162 I'm new here but I'm I right in assuming when someone references 'this blog' it is merely cut and paste trolling?

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (xV30b)

163 Tax hikes didn't shrink the economy in the mid 90s when Clinton put the
top rate at 39.6%. It boomed instead. Putting that same rate in now
won't hurt it a bit.
____________________________________________________________

Yep. Things were some awesome after the 1993 tax increases that Democrats won 50 seats in the 1994 election. Oh wait....

The economy boomed in the mid to late 90s after Republicans took over congress and got spending under control. Funny how libtards always forget that part of the equation.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (HDgX3)

164
Doesn't seem as if there is EVER a hill to die on--just bumps to drive around during the retreat.

I guess not having a hill to die on IS the hill to die on.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 28, 2012 10:02 PM (SAMxH)

165 Let it all fucking burn.
Posted by: Ernie McCracken at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (ZETiK)
----------------------------------------------------------
What up Bro?

Posted by: Phil McCracken at November 28, 2012 10:02 PM (jucos)

166 Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (xo+9P)


The Swiss economy must be teetering on the brink of instability and insolvency after passing laws like that!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 10:03 PM (Cnqmv)

167
Go on the fucking offensive for once Boehner.

Ha hhahha ahahahhhha gasp haahhhhhahhaaahha

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 10:03 PM (9ghZ6)

168 Colorado also passed a Swiss style law. Worked great, spending only increased at the rate of population growth and inflation.

But it has been gutted repeatedly over the years by Democrats. God forbid a state live within its means.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 10:04 PM (HDgX3)

169 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 09:42 PM (ZPrif)

Exactly. The recession within the depression is coming anyway. Play it smart and we can pin it on Obama, Reid, etc.

The Republican plan should be simple:
1. Go in front of the media every day and ask the president for his proposal, so that we can vote for it.
2. In those appearances, make it clear that we think it will lead to a recession, but "the people have spoken" by re-electing Obama a Democratic Senate.
3. Do not offer any amendments to the plan proposed by Obama/Reid.
4. Pass the proposal unanimously.

Let them own it, and then Let It Burn.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 10:05 PM (h+iQ9)

170 irongrampa, we could all be in soup lines or boiling our shoe leather for soup and they would still hem and haw. stick their finger to catch how the wind is blowing for Obama or themselves


that's how much respect or belief i have in them at this point.

I'm hoping they prove me wrong really soon.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:05 PM (hX8cq)

171 Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 09:55 PM (lZBBB)



My husband's mom is 88 this year. When she passes, I won't spend another day with his libtard family in ATL.

My folks are dead, and my only sibling (sister) is an unapologetic socialist. I love her, and hope she'll some day be part of our lives again.

Life with these people hurts. They treated our son, going off to A-Stan, like he was going on some missionary mission and no big deal.

Tired, I am.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 10:05 PM (UOM48)

172 167

Go on the fucking offensive for once Boehner.

Ha hhahha ahahahhhha gasp haahhhhhahhaaahha

__________________________________________________

A guy can dream, no?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 10:05 PM (HDgX3)

173 I guess not having a hill to die on IS the hill to die on.


Posted by: irongrampa at November 28, 2012 10:02 PM (SAMxH)

The repubs can't even drive the bus over the "bumps in the road" as they retreat.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 10:05 PM (Cnqmv)

174
I can guarantee you the GOP leadership is going to pick the stupid option yet again. The sad thing is, I'm not sure there really is any other choice. Even if every GOP Senator and Representative in DC walks out, stands as a group in front of the press, and announces "WE WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS UNTIL THE OTHER SIDE STARTS ACCEPTING OUR IDEAS," it won't get reported by a single Network, and the GOP will STILL go down with all the blame.
It's hopeless, Ace. Until the media burns to the ground, I'm not sure this can be fixed.

Posted by: Brian L. at November 28, 2012 10:06 PM (c20By)

175 @126

Herbie,

The revenue increased based employment and spending cuts. The Tech Bubble increased the size of the economy, and the tax hike was just the cash-in. It was after the fact. We don't have growth to speak of...Raising Taxes won't work. Wise Up!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 10:06 PM (uis79)

176 We need a Happy Thread.

When I win the Powerball I'll.......

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 10:06 PM (UOM48)

177 There was a recession in 1937 or 1938, yet FDR was re-elected twice afterwards.

Posted by: Baldy at November 28, 2012 10:08 PM (opS9C)

178 And even if we get Dems to "compromise" it won't mean shit. The compromise I keep hearing about is cutting Medicare and Social Security for high income earners. And what is defined as high income? $50K a year.

So the great compromise of 2012 will be higher taxes on people making $250K+ and no more benefits for anyone making $50K+.

Hooray!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 10:08 PM (HDgX3)

179 what about using c span?

while they are doing the govt business start being histrionic?

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:08 PM (hX8cq)

180 Take advantage of how stupid our electorate is.

Sure they'll blame the GOP. For a week. Then they'll forget about it because Kim Kardashian will do something, and then they'll look at their paycheck and see how there's less of it, and see Obama on TV and blame it on him.

Seriously, no matter what happens, Republicans will be shown a poll about how it's all their fault. Might as well make the country actually experience what Obama sold to the American people. It's the only way back into power.


Posted by: Jeepers at November 28, 2012 10:09 PM (XDRsa)

181 Observation: What happened to the Petraeus scandal? It was THE news, now, it is gone.

Posted by: Baldy at November 28, 2012 10:10 PM (opS9C)

182
When I win the Powerball I'll.......

Starta newspaper.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 10:10 PM (9ghZ6)

183 Baldy, i know, it's crazy!@

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:11 PM (hX8cq)

184 @180

Yep......Just let them have what they want!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 10:11 PM (uis79)

185 USS or buy newsweek and time, if you have a lefty family member put it in their name and say you'll do the actual work.

hah

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:12 PM (hX8cq)

186 When I win the Powerball I'll.......

Give the Feral Gubmint 60% off the top

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 28, 2012 10:12 PM (jucos)

187 177
There was a recession in 1937 or 1938, yet FDR was re-elected twice afterwards.
_____________________

1937.

But by 1940 the economy was doing pretty well relatively speaking.

1938 was actually a pretty bad for Democrats because of the recession. They lost close to 80 seats. But they had such a huge majority in 1936 that even with such a drubbing they kept the house.

It's amazing to think how much power Democrats had 1932-1938. 75 senate seats (out of 96 since this was before Hawaii/Alaska joined) and around 350 house seats all rubber stamping FDR's communist agenda.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 28, 2012 10:12 PM (HDgX3)

188
God damn it, I had a long post that went poof because I'm using a different computer and my name wasn't loaded.

HEre's what you need to know. Obama doesn't care two shits about higher taxes. That shit was simply a wedge he used to get elected. Period.

My fear is that Zero gives the pubs what they want as serious concessions on tax rates. Pubs in turn give zero everything he wants as far as raising the debt ceiling and the "grand bargain."

Pubs need to make zero own this shit. Agree to raise taxes big time, even higher than he wants on the rich, million and above. But say, we went overboard in what we are offering. It's on the table as long as we see some proposal for serious cuts.

There won't be any. Then we all go back to clinton rates. MAKE THEM FUCKING OWN IT. After all, these are CLINTON rates. Make Americans feel the pain. This is the fucked up economy that he has wrought.

The free shit society is expensive. Time to pay the fucking credit card. Then we'll see if others want to get serious about making the welfare queen work.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 28, 2012 10:13 PM (HTVIU)

189 My emotions want to say "Let It Burn!" as well. However, reason reminds me that 9 times of 10, hell 99 times out of 100, when it burns, you get Robespierre, not Geo. Washington. You get a Reign of Terror, not a Constitution of these here United States.
Washington was an anomaly, so much you wonder if a divine hand didn't have something to do with it, indeed. He turneddown the crack pipe of sbsolute power twice.And, something not widely known, he, through the force of his own presence, preveting the hot heads from instituting their own little Reign of Terror against the Tories.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 28, 2012 10:16 PM (VVB18)

190 publius, nice post.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 10:17 PM (hX8cq)

191 "The Swiss economy must be teetering on the brink of instability and insolvency after passing laws like that!"

Referendum actually. Swiss pols hate it of course.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 10:22 PM (xo+9P)

192 "The free shit society is expensive. Time to pay the fucking credit card. Then we'll see if others want to get serious about making the welfare queen work."

I think we also have a problem of the buying decision coming in November with the price tag being seen in April.

If we ever do reform taxes, make tax day one week before elections.

Posted by: Sexypig at November 28, 2012 10:24 PM (xo+9P)

193 #189

We've already got Robespierre. He just doesn't have complete power. Yet.

Posted by: epobirs at November 28, 2012 10:25 PM (kcfmt)

194 It's almost a police state already and your worried about what happens when financial ruin comes? You tell me how to avoid financial ruin and I will sympathize with your fantasies. DEAL?

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 10:28 PM (uis79)

195 "Let Obama have the economy he wants, and let him take responsibility for it, too."

Uh oh, Ace is going to make Gabe cry tomorrow.

Posted by: Uh Oh at November 28, 2012 10:29 PM (Ys6PL)

196 You either pay for shit of wind up like Greece.

It must have escaped your attention that your Messiah's racking up $1.5 trillion deficits, and the tiny bit of extra revenue he might get from tax hikes won't do fuck all to address his record profligacy.

And you still voted for the clueless fuck.

To sum up: you're dumber than shit.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 28, 2012 10:29 PM (5We05)

197 Elections have serious consequences. And FYI Obama no longer gives a rat's ass what John Q. Sixpack thinks. Either way he'll be the president until January 2017. Political realities are a bitch.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at November 28, 2012 10:35 PM (r2PLg)

198 Reality show-Surrender Island-this week-House GOP vsWW2 French Army

Posted by: Tuco at November 28, 2012 10:46 PM (ZRoGl)

199 Byron York just said that the frigging liberals want a liberal dream, guaranteed income! How the hell are they going to pay for that? When I heard that my blood pressure went up and I couldn't hear rest of it!

Posted by: CarolT at November 28, 2012 10:47 PM (z4WKX)

200 Oh yeah, you can have a guaranteed income. Whatever you want in nominal currency terms. Only problem is in real terms, it will be nothing. Equality means everyone is equally poor and miserable.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at November 28, 2012 10:57 PM (VVB18)

201 Yeah, a friend of mine in NY has been pushing the "guaranteed income" thing for about ten years from now. I usually just smiled and patted him on the head, content that such lunacy had no chance of coming to pass.

Sort of like how Barack Obama had no chance of ever being elected POTUS.

We are so boned.

Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2012 11:06 PM (uaEZS)

202 Look, we're heading into a recession anyway, so we should play this right. Fuck principle, because in the Age of Obama, politics has become nothing more than a game. So, let's play the game.

Give Obama exactly what he wants (as far as economic policy is concerned). In this case, higher taxes on the 2%, and the elimination of the phrase "Bush Tax Cuts" forever. Economic growth will slow towards 1% (or perhaps lower given the regulations coming down the pike). And the deficit will not be affected positively because everyone is taking their profits this year.

Then let the Ministry of Truth try to blame that on us. It won't work, and the previous statements of the GOP are just confusing what needs to be done by being artificially obstinate.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 11:06 PM (h+iQ9)

203 "About ten years now," I meant, not "About ten years FROM now."

Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2012 11:07 PM (uaEZS)

204 Guaranteed income should work as well as the previous liberal dream of guaranteed outcomes.

Reality is not strong with these people. But, hey, M'Chel sure is a sexy mama, and Prez Mom Jeans sure knows how to shoot the hoop.

We've become a society of the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 11:16 PM (h+iQ9)

205 We must consider Obama a sage. He faked sincerity; indeed that's all it takes in America.

This is a skill and we need to emulate it.

My idea, getting stronger by the minute, involves billboards throughout major cities stating exactly how much money Obama has spent per family.

People would be enraged to know that their money, that they earned by being an American through birth or sheer will in getting here, is wasted on red tape. Their kids should have new shoes, but Obama wasted the money.

We need to sincerely feel this rage and billboard the $250,000 each family should have gotten from Obama, since that is the amount spent on each family, and anything less than $250,000 is government Democrats steeling the folksy people's money.

Posted by: twoslaps at November 28, 2012 11:21 PM (pbUEP)

206 You do realize that you blatantly contradicted yourself in just a few sentences, right, Ace?

Posted by: Gerry at November 28, 2012 11:22 PM (DlBnK)

207 Posted by: twoslaps at November 28, 2012 11:21 PM (pbUEP)

You're wasting your time. The country is already lost. Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 28, 2012 11:23 PM (h+iQ9)

208 This is a similar surreal reality to the Weimar Republic.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at November 28, 2012 11:26 PM (uis79)

209 126
Tax hikes didn't shrink the economy in the mid 90s when Clinton put the
top rate at 39.6%. It boomed instead. Putting that same rate in now
won't hurt it a bit.



Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper

Uhhhh, LOL, it boomed because of: 1) welfare reform forced on Clinton by Gingrich; 2) major cuts in defense advocated by Clinton; 3) capital gains tax cut forced on Clinton by Gingrich; and 4) the tech bubble. High tax rates didn't spur growth -- that's a ridiculous concept.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 28, 2012 11:27 PM (fW3/w)

210 Ace: Don't assume the economic meltdown is coming as a result of his policies. Liberal economics has gotten so watered down thanks to Reagan that changes to federal tax law have little impact on the economy as a whole. Consider that we used to have upper income rates in the 90s! Obama is not going to kill the economy or drive it faster toward apocalypse by raising the rates four or five points.

Liberalism today is largely dead. Obama has done and will do little to change that. Pussyfooting at the margins of federal regulations is nothing compared to the sorts of wholesale changes that socialists want and will not get. What we ought to pursue is not the recapture of the white house but the substantive policy victories a la Reagan.

Having said that, the relatively low rates of taxation have still permitted the implementation of a good chunk of the communist manifesto. All is not won, and every day brings with it additional losses of personal freedom. Ultimately, however, the libertarian who wants to say a healthy fuck-you to government intrusion has this going for him: they are not very good at restricting freedom and at enforcing the law. One can remain free with stealthy cunning and the occasional victory at the bar and the ballot box.

Rejoice. You are fucking Americans and ultimately are free because you choose to be free, not because the great leader gives you leave. it has never been otherwise.

Posted by: Fabio Escobar at November 28, 2012 11:41 PM (+YTA4)

211 Fabio: you are a blind fool.

While Obama certainly did not start us on this path, because he was unwilling to take the mantle of fiscal responsibility, he, the president, the one who really the buck stops with, has seals our fate - we cannot pay off our debt without socitety rocking change. Either we accept huge cuts so we run a surplus and pay it off in ~40 years, we destroy our currency Wiemar like, or we hope for such a global explosion that everyone calls for a debt jubilee. All will include a lot of pain and massive societal upheaval.

We cannot grow our way out; as soon as interest rates go up, the interest on t-bills skyrockets and consumes all the money, thus putting us in huge cuts/

Posted by: dantealiegri at November 28, 2012 11:51 PM (mHU03)

212 Y'all all be goofy. Roosevelt stayed in office 4+ something terms because he promised voters he would take care of them. The worse things got the longer he stayed. Obama and the liberals are in the same situation, the worse things get the more secure their power.
Sorry to say but people be voting for pretty lies forever. We have had onedepression that provesthat the US of A will vote for idiocy that sounds safe.
This depression will last forever, the public will never vote this out - unless we have world war III. And even after that a changeis in questionable. Trumangot electedtwice after WW II in spite of his associatiation with the totally destructive economic policies of Roosevelt.

Posted by: Craig From Belvidere at November 28, 2012 11:57 PM (a8HUf)

213
Detroit burned long ago, several times. The dummies still vote Democrat.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at November 28, 2012 11:58 PM (wWZWw)

214 Fabio! I wish I could believe you. I looks to me like liberalism is alive and well and doing better all the time! They are giving themselves all they want by EO and intimidating Republicans!
Please someone tell me what is SCOAMF? Thanks

Posted by: AnnaS at November 29, 2012 12:13 AM (17o5E)

215 Obama is playing for the whole ball of wax. 'Our' elected officials better wake the fuck up (profanity added for emphasis).

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 29, 2012 12:47 AM (X/+QT)

216 "Obama's Not Trying to Beat Problems, He's Still Trying to Destroy the GOP"

You put that like it's a BAD thing, Ace.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 29, 2012 12:56 AM (21TJo)

217 The GOP is not out publicizing the success stories of countries like Estonia and states like Wisconsin. Dumb! My two cents.

And...

It's not that people are all lazy moochers, but what are you going to say to a single mother on food stamps and HUD housing and Medicaid two months before an election who looks around and doesn't see a job that could equal her benefits?

And, how many dumb students identified with that idiot Sandra Fluke? Probably lots.

So the GOP needs some downscale people to tout their successes being self-reliant. People like Rubio and Susana Martinez, et al., are kind of intimidating to ordinary folk and so is their success.

Posted by: PJ at November 29, 2012 01:04 AM (ZWaLo)

218 Ace? Morons? You're losing net 37,000 voters PER MONTH right now -- 100,000 old whites dying, 67,000 Hispanics turning voter age -- EVERY FREAKING MONTH!

In 2 years, that's almost 900,000, two thirds or more voting D. In 4 years .... in 9 ....

But: Stuart Stevens -- STUART FUCKING STEVENS -- is saying in the WaPo, Hey, we did okay, we kinda sorta WON. And next January, President Mitt Romney's getting sworn in as the Alternative Really Really White House, too.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 29, 2012 01:07 AM (21TJo)

219 The Gop, believes that seeming to be reasonable in negotiations, with your rapist, is good policy. They believe that the outcome will allow themselves to continue with the Congressional Country Club membership for at least a while longer.

Posted by: Sug at November 29, 2012 01:37 AM (NQaaA)

220 I don't think Obama cares what happens to the economy, as long as he can blame someone else.

Isn't it actually kind of better for him if things stay bad (can still blame Bush) than if things get good and then go bad again on his watch?

Posted by: MayBee at November 29, 2012 02:07 AM (TmYiv)

221 After decades of observation I have concluded that the GOP is dead and doesn't know it. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.

Throw them all out, the same way as the Whig party was thrown out. Put in somebody who has a fighting spirit, not a bunch of old men whose main talent is rolling over for the Democrats.

Posted by: Lee at November 29, 2012 02:27 AM (RtwOA)

222 Tax hikes didn't shrink the economy in the mid 90s when Clinton put the top rate at 39.6%. It boomed instead.

Tech boom - RIP
Housing boom - RIP

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 29, 2012 05:50 AM (UDfXZ)

223 "* Update: It's a political winner until he gets his fullscale global
meltdown Depression 2.0. Then we'll see how much John Q. Sixpack really
loves Obama."

Hate to say this but Obama will have absolutely no problem blaming global meltdown Depression 2.0 on Republicans. This past election proved: A) The majority of the media is absolutely in the pocket of Democrats. B) They DO still have the power to make the majority of the electorate believe exactly what they want them to believe C) They will say absolutely anything to advance Obama's agenda.
Obama, at this point, can do anything he wants and the media will provide the messaging and the American electorate will believe it.
That coming Depression 2.0, if it happens, will be just the crisis the left needs to consolidate a lot more power into the Federal government. They used the original Depression to do just that.

Posted by: MLCross at November 29, 2012 06:56 AM (taib7)

224 I work for a union sheet metal manufacturer that is literally months away fromboarding up the windowsdue to poor business decisions and well the economy, yet the union pukes in management were thrilled that Obama won and actually said to me "now we can go fuck the rich guy". Now I will say though the rank and file union guys slinging a hammer did not vote for Obama, but the union management guys in our office who get paid way above their union scale were ex-officersatthe local union office. Since it's a rich guy who gave them their jobs I don't understand this mentality. I'm not union and work in the office, but I'll be just as unemployed as they will be if the SHTF, but I still believe we should let it burn, I'll take the hit.


On a brighter note, I didn't win Powerball, but my husband's mother, who passed away this August, left my husband and his brother a little life insurance policy. I have no idea how much it is for, but if it pays offour car loan, that'd be sweet.

Posted by: Jaimo at November 29, 2012 08:00 AM (9U1OG)

225 The GOP guys are screwing this up when they appear on tv. We know they should give O what he wants. Let him have it. But they HAVE TO SAY, every time, "The Dems won the election. We must go where the majority says we need to go. But the results will be BAD and the DEMOCRATS will be RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM. Every time. So after it happens there will be plenty of tape to refer to. Because they will blame the Republicans. That's what they do. That's the only reason they are here in the first place.

Posted by: Davidlind at November 29, 2012 11:57 AM (J9mCu)

226 "Live fast, die young, leave a good looking corpse."
Sorry....
Live fast, die, leave a corpse.

fify

Posted by: charliedoc at December 01, 2012 03:30 PM (q+XgV)

227 Geezzzz I said this on my blog MONTHS ago: 8-3-2012

"I have called this before. Itís inevitable. 2012 will be a tipping point
for our future. We either rise up and go to the ballot box in droves,
or allow the status quo to continue and accept the loss of this great
nation to those that have been working for 100 years to finally succeed
in destroying what was Manís Greatest Experiment."--

We didn't show up.... millions less than McCain??? r we stoooopid?

Posted by: TA at December 01, 2012 08:52 PM (zoLzQ)






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