"Two and a Half Men" Co-Star Denounces Own Show as "Filth;" Advises Viewers to Stop Watching It

Angus T. Jones, who plays the kid on the show (not really a kid anymore), has found Christ and now finds Two and Half Men's jokes -- which are largely about sex -- spiritually poisonous.

I only saw parts of this show twice -- once was on an airplane, when I had few other viewing options. (The airplane wasn't streaming TV; it was playing a few recorded TV shows, and Two and a Half Men was among my two and a half options.) I was surprised by two things: First, it was kind of funny, actually, although I was on a plane, of course, and thus desperate for distraction. And second, that every joke -- every joke -- was about sex. At least the episode I saw. It involved Charlie Sheen and his therapist, played by Jane Lynch. I saw part of another episode recently, and there the jokes weren't about sex.

Angus T. Jones is of course currently being gently ministered to by the Tolerance Brigade, which as usual is showing its tolerance through jeering, insult, and hate.

Also a good deal of jealousy, though at least that I can understand as response: A washed-up former actor like Zack Branff (or whatever his name is) is understandably annoyed by someone working on a hit TV show making at least $350,000 per episode. Envy isn't a good emotion, certainly, but at least I can understand it.

What I can't understand is the simple hate, the hate for hate's sake, the hate of The Other for the sake of Self-Affirmation. I especially can't understand the hate coming from the sort of people who will insist to you, quite seriously, that they have essentially purged all primitive and dark emotion from themselves and now exist on an elevated Oprah/Chopra plane of pidgin Zen harmony and balance.

There are two ways, it seems to me, to deal with the hatred that lurks in every human heart:

1. Acknowledge it, acknowledge one's flaws, acknowledge one's darker tendencies, and by acknowledging them, increase the control over them. Same idea as with alcoholism: You can't address a problem until you have acknowledged its simple existence.

Or, the route that I see most benighted "progressives" going:

2. Insist that there is no hatred in your heart, because you are simply that ennobled a human being. When your hatred (which still exists, despite your callow claims to the contrary) exhibits itself, engage in a silly semantic game in which you claim your "hate" isn't hate at all but something else, like, I don't know, "teachable moments" or whatever. Give free vent to all your spleen and all your venom and just insist, like a child caught with his pudgy fingers in a cookie jar, that he was actually looking for the healthy vegetables, and thought maybe they might be hidden among the Oreos.

All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians (or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself.

I know the idea is something like "If you can laugh at it, you're not taking it seriously" and thus "mainstreaming" it. But I heard the same thing in college, when I'd use the word "gay." "If you're saying 'that's gay,' you're not taking the problem of homophobia seriously, and you have genuine hate in your heart."

I didn't see the connection when offered from the left/secularists, and I still don't see the connection when offered by the right/religious. Enjoying a vengeance movie where the good guy slaughters the bad guys doesn't have much connection to a true intention to kill. I will concede that there must be some connection there -- which is why particular fantasies appeal to particular people, and why men tend to like Vengeance/Omnicompetence fantasies and women prefer, I don't know, Twilight, whatever the hell that is -- but it's such a thin and weak connection it seems to me to be a rounding error in the accounting of human flaws.

Instapundit used to joke about the feds announcing this or that crusade against a new moral panic: Well, I'm glad we've got all the other problems taken care of, then.

Likewise this sort of thing -- the "taking delight" or laughing at some kind of human flaw or sin -- is of such a de minimis or venial nature that I wonder if we overconcern ourselves with this sort of thing in order to avoid thinking too much about more serious things.

Small problems and small sins are reassuring in that way, aren't they? People enjoy, say, worrying about leveling up in a videogame precisely because it is so meaningless and permits them an escape from more pressing problems.

Posted by: Ace at 03:24 PM



Comments

1 And Ace converts to Italicism.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:26 PM (jPVBi)

2

Danged italics...

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at November 28, 2012 03:27 PM (OY/SZ)

3 Oh, no! The Roman Heresy!

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:27 PM (jPVBi)

4
.... just call him Eileen.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 28, 2012 03:27 PM (nELVU)

5 Ace, didn't you see Angus' retraction of his "filth" statement today? His agent convinced him to recant everything he said.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:27 PM (GQ8sn)

6 Never seen it, no interest to see it.

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 03:27 PM (I2LwF)

7
I've never watched 'Two anda Half Men'.
Have I missed anything?

Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 03:28 PM (CM59X)

8 "Two and a Half Men was among my two and a half options."

Let me guess, the other 1 1/2 options was Big Bang Theory. Am I right, or am I right?

Posted by: TV Scheduler at November 28, 2012 03:28 PM (71LDo)

9 I've never watched 'Two anda Half Men'.
Have I missed anything?


No, in fact it's gotten worse with douchetool Ashton Kutcher on it playing a character that's really himself.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:29 PM (GQ8sn)

10 Turn off the damned italics

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at November 28, 2012 03:29 PM (ze9yk)

11 This is the usual--it's one thing to laugh at base, crass human behavior, but quite another to rise above it. These shows depict, either on purpose or accidentally, crass behavior as the norm, and anyone who objects to the objectifying, cheapening, coarsening of societal mores must be just a prude.


Not so. I do not want my son to grow up thinking that women (boobies, pussies, whatever silly word you use) are just a part of the human joke.


To think that these shows are morally neutral show how far your moral compass has fallen.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:29 PM (ZOUmX)

12 Did someone have some jokes about sex? haw haw

Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 28, 2012 03:29 PM (7L4T6)

13 The show hasn't been worth watching since Sheen's last season if not the one before that. The sex humour used to be funny but the writers lost it and began doing literal bathroom humour as a shitty replacement. I think I lasted through two of the first Kutcher season.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (jPVBi)

14 >>>This is the usual--it's one thing to laugh at base, crass human behavior, but quite another to rise above it. These shows depict, either on purpose or accidentally, crass behavior as the norm, and anyone who objects to the objectifying, cheapening, coarsening of societal mores must be just a prude.

With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

15 13
The show hasn't been worth watching since Sheen's last season if not the
one before that. The sex humour used to be funny but the writers lost
it and began doing literal bathroom humour as a shitty replacement. I
think I lasted through two of the first Kutcher season.


Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (jPVBi)

Let's see--sex funny, poop not funny. Does that about sum it up?

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (ZOUmX)

16 The tolerant and lovely Joy Behar called his religion "drug addiction".....on her show on that channel no one seems to be able to find.....that Al Gore one....

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 03:31 PM (UOM48)

17 I thought he already backtracked this and his parents are saying his new church is brainwashing him or something.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 28, 2012 03:31 PM (UK9cE)

18
He's worth 15 Million bucks and only 19 y/o. Think he can make it last the rest of his life without working? Could you?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:31 PM (TYO2p)

19 ..his parents are saying his new church is brainwashing him or something.
---
They must be racist.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (eEfYn)

20 This comes out AFTER he has made a bazillion dollars. He will soon be fleeced by his spiritual advisor and in a few years he'll be doing infomercials for some shit nobody wants.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (3Y7RV)

21 The first and hardest rule of life: Know Yourself.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (evdj2)

22 No. The shitty 'humour' wasn't funny; just cheap laffs.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (jPVBi)

23 My other problem with this claim -- "this depicts the crass as 'normal'" -- is that it presupposes that what I'm looking for in entertainment is actually moral instruction and guidance.

With all due respect, that's not what I'm looking for when I choose some kind of blow-off entertainment.

There is work and there is play; there is effort and there is escape. These sorts of formulations suggest that we must, at literally all times, be thinking about Christ, about how to become more like Christ, and so on and so forth.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (LCRYB)

24 He's retracted everything he said, and has apologized to the cast and producers.

That $350,000/ep is a sweet, sweet gig.

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (UOM48)

25 Ace, excellent post. I like your analysis of human nature better than the political BS.

*stops sucking up to the boss*

I think it's a matter of tackling the easy problems. Going after violent TV shows, video games, contact sports, whatever a the major cause of violence is a lot easier and less apt to get a violent response than actually going after violent people, who tend to be, you know, violent.

For the same reason, people who denounce Christians for being fascists, thugs, whatever almost never attack Muslims in the same way.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (P47hr)

26 With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

Oddly enough, there are a great many things that are humorous in adult, human interaction that do not have to do with sex. Watch Philadelphia Story or Adam's Rib sometime. Now apparently it's only funny if someone exposes some body part or talks about some body part, or if someone gets humiliated. Frankly, it just isn't that funny, nor is it useful to society.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:33 PM (ZOUmX)

27 Liberals claim to be all about freedom. Freedom to smoke weed, freedom to have casual hookups, freedom to flush the results of casual hookups, freedom to smoke weed, freedom to get naked in public, freedom to scream obscenities, freedom to smoke weed . . .

But that's it. They aren't really in favor of important freedoms, like self-defense, self-reliance, or meaningful political speech. They defend vote fraud and censorship and thought control.

They are slaves, and they get upset when people try to take away the things their masters let them do as a distraction.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 28, 2012 03:33 PM (XqWb3)

28 And Ace is sucked in by an attempt at Free Advertising for a TV show...

Note that C. Sheen has embraced his bad boy image... even plays off it in comercials?

Now, this young man first says its 'filth'.... to get headlines, and BLOG HITS, and now will slowly recant that statement.... and continue work on the show...

And... I'll bet.... its the start of a new Plot device for the show... as it was once Charlie against his Geek Goody brother.... now it will be new guy agianst the suddenly 'Good' Son....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 03:33 PM (lZBBB)

29 "He will soon be fleeced by his spiritual advisor and in a few years he'll be doing infomercials for some shit nobody wants."

I take offense at that remark.

Posted by: That Sham-Wow Guy at November 28, 2012 03:33 PM (71LDo)

30 I thought he already backtracked this

I don't think he backtracked about the show, but he did apologize to his coworkers if it appeared that he made them out to be bad.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 28, 2012 03:33 PM (evdj2)

31 You don't have to beleive in Christ to find that show spiritually poisonous.

I loathe that fucking show.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:34 PM (KXm42)

32 When left wingers and Jesus robot types go at it, the only rational reaction is to make popcorn.

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 28, 2012 03:34 PM (E55AK)

33 One new post and my magnificent knockers go totally ignored.

Posted by: Denise Milani at November 28, 2012 03:34 PM (QKKT0)

34 What is this Ace catch up day? Meh.

More boob stories or better yet, a thread on what we are going to do with our lottery winning?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 28, 2012 03:34 PM (wR+pz)

35 Hollywood is a truly f*cked up place with child predators and other lowlifes that turn so many child stars into druggies and worse (see Lindsay Lohan, Brittney Spears, Amanda Bynes, etc.). No doubt Angus has gotten to experience a lot of this dysfunctional behavior just by working with Charlie Sheen. I'm sorry that his religious talk offends people, but his turning to religion over booze, coke, sexual deviance, etc. should be considered a good thing. He can grow out of the religious stuff - so many other child actors before him have never grown out of (or survived) the other stuff.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2012 03:35 PM (78+Nf)

36
He's like JJJ - he lost all that fat and went nuts.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:35 PM (TYO2p)

37 i before e excpet after c and their. And heir. And weird. English do you speak it mothertrucker?

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (KXm42)

38 Loved the 1st half of the post but the 2nd half was sanctimonious bullshit that made me want to punch someone; thank God I'm better than that.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (b+jI9)

39 There is work and there is play; there is effort and
there is escape. These sorts of formulations suggest that we must, at
literally all times, be thinking about Christ, about how to become more
like Christ, and so on and so forth.





Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (LCRYB)

Granted, but some people's efforts at "escape" include such things as smuggling coke to get a date with some model whose boobs are bigger than her brains.
One can have fun without having to disrespect people. The argument that "it's just funny" didn't fly with the Step-n-fetchit jokes, either.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (ZOUmX)

40 He's worth 15 Million bucks and only 19 y/o. Think he can make it last the rest of his life without working?

Should be good through about the end of 2013 after Boehner gives in on our new tax plan.

Posted by: Democrats at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (B/VB5)

41 Ok the show is not fer the kiddies...,now where's the fuckin BLOW!!

Posted by: The Coke Bear at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (jvd3N)

42 Angus recently turned 18, so that means his parents were signing his contracts for him because of his minor status. Ofcourse they want that gravy train to flow as long as possible! They probably turned him upside down and threatened to Tidy-Bowl him until he said he was sorry and didn't really mean it.

This show sucks ass. It may have been funny when it started, but now Kutcher is barely passing for a pathetic Charlie Sheen wannabe manwhore. It was ruined the moment Sheen went apeshite.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (GQ8sn)

43
One new post and my magnificent knockers go totally ignored.


I'll never forget Bolivia.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:36 PM (KXm42)

44
Just more human folly. We've seen this so many times before.

People find Christ and become the bestest Christians ever...for about a year.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:37 PM (jUytm)

45 Posted by: Lizzy at November 28, 2012 03:35 PM (78+Nf)

You make a great point, but the guy that is advising him aint Franklin FKN Graham.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:37 PM (3Y7RV)

46 There is work and there is play; there is effort and there is escape. These sorts of formulations suggest that we must, at literally all times, be thinking about Christ, about how to become more like Christ, and so on and so forth. Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:32 PM (LCRYB)

Well, that would actually be the position of the Catholic Church at least.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:38 PM (sbV1u)

47
"which is why particular fantasies appeal to particular people, and why men tend to like Vengeance/Omnicompetence fantasies and women prefer, I don't know, Twilight, whatever the hell that is"

I am a woman and have never seen or read the Twilight dreck, hate rom-coms, and loath chic flicks. I love action movies. My theory is, the bigger and louder the weapon/explosion/bad guy screaming in pain, the better the movie is. No real plot needed.... just good guy good, bad guy dead in a loud, ugly, painful, bloody manner. Now THAT is a great movie.

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:38 PM (iRgZG)

48
I was watching the Stiller game with my Mom and Dad and NBC ran two ads.

One was for the two poor hot chicks, the other for two large people, a cop and his wife.

Both ads had as the only hook sex jokes. And they were the LAMEST FUCKING JOKES.

That's it, we're at the bottom.

Remember Taxi, how funny that was? Cheers? Hell, even Threes Company wasn't as base and vulgar.

But it's funny.

Funny.



Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunny at November 28, 2012 03:38 PM (cifKq)

49 Ace, excellent post. I like your analysis of human nature better than the political BS.

Sucking up or not, good point.

Ace, you are remarkablyinsightful about human behavior.

Huh-huh. Huh-huh. He said "anal"

Posted by: fluffy at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (4pSIn)

50 So, who's he insulting? The writers? The producer? Chuck Lorre can't catch a break!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (TYO2p)

51 Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:38 PM (iRgZG)

Can you bake a cake?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (3Y7RV)

52 Two and a Half Men is all about sex now, it's not really funny anymore, it's just sex jokes for 30 minutes, you can find that either vulgar or just plain boring.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (NzBQO)

53 I take your point about being able to enjoy something without approving of it, but while I wouldn't call Two and a Half Men ground zero of American cultural decay I would say it's overall pretty sleazy.

i acknowledge this with even stuff i like, rap for instance, though I used to listen to it more in college, I think there's pretty obvious negatives there, even if you can enjoy it overall.

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (60GaT)

54 FWIW, the Bible does command Christians to stay away from coarse jokes, in Ephesians 5:4. No one ever said being a Christian is easy.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (6zgse)

55 >>>Oddly enough, there are a great many things that are humorous in adult, human interaction that do not have to do with sex.

Yes, their foibles. Even the things you're talking about make fun of human foibles. But you don't mind them because they're minor foibles and don't have to do with sex, which for some reason is off-limits.

>>> Watch Philadelphia Story or Adam's Rib sometime.

Eh. Nah.

>>> Now apparently it's only funny if someone exposes some body part or talks about some body part, or if someone gets humiliated.

Of course it's not *only* funny in those cases, but I still don't understand this idea that such topics are "off-limits" -- even for adults.

If we were talking about kids, you betcha, sign me up to agree.

But this is my problem with this whole critique: It's not about kids. You don't like *adults* choosing these entertainments and if you had your druthers they wouldn't be available. We could only choose from morally-elevating fare.

I don't always want to be elevated. I think, for example, dramas about murder or infidelity, with very flawed characters (as in Double Indemnity) are interesting.

And such things actually happen, of course. Taking such things off movie screens does not remove them from real life.

>>>Frankly, it just isn't that funny, nor is it useful to society.

I don't view entertainment or art as primarily about what is "useful to society." Plumbing is useful to society but I do not plan on watching a plumber at work.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (LCRYB)

56
14...With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

-----------

'Comedy of Errors'...used to be a common theme in humor.
It could cover a lot of things.

Problem is, these days the standards have been blurred as to what an "error" is.

Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (CM59X)

57 Both ads had as the only hook sex jokes. And they were the LAMEST FUCKING JOKES.

Yeah. It's not that they're sex jokes, it's that they're TERRIBLE sex jokes.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (B/VB5)

58 Most contemporary sitcoms are predictable and boring. I watched Two and a Half men afew times because BF had it on TV. By the third viewing, I was saying the punchlines with Charlie Sheen. The guy who plays his brother is a good actor though.
With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?
Dick Van Dyke reruns on TV Land are pretty funny.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (jm/9g)

59 ......"All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians
(or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or
laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that
foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself"....

Know a Christian, she came home once, sensed a "bad spiritual presence" in her house. Because someone had been watching risque TV. You know, primetime. She prayed over the house, to banish the "bad spirits". To this lady, cleavage is PORN!
She won't shut up about her notions.
Her ilk costs the Right lots of votes.

Posted by: tubal at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (BoE3Z)

60 Two Half Men, Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother = shows i'll never understand the hype and ratings for

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 03:40 PM (yAor6)

61 Ace,
I do wonder though if the problem is that the humor in this particular show is designed to normalize behavior that many people find questionable.
Whether or not you look to entertainment to provide moral guidance it does shape culture.
This particular show seeks to make a mockery of people not having tons and tons of sex all the time (in between copious amounts of boozing.) Stack that on top of the fact that any character who doesn't put their own self interests first is roundly mocked.
It's sort of a canary in a coal mine for society writ large. What the TV show mocks now becomes socially unacceptable in the not to distant future.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 03:41 PM (YloHR)

62 There's a line of thought in the culture wars along the lines of "you are what you eat," except in this case it refers more to your entertainment. Ace, you've spent a lot of post-space in the last few weeks talking about how cultural norms and ideas get absorbed, even in rather subtle ways, through the media, and not just the news outlets. A lot of people might say, "It's just a comedy show, what's the big deal?" Well, others look at it and think, "The attitudes attached in this show, even if they aren't lauded here, certainly are lauded elsewhere in the culture. Supporting this just helps that attitude to pervade further and pollutes the mind to that sort of thinking." Over the top? Maybe. But I don't think it's beyond reason.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd begrudge this of him anyhow. A lot of Christians, when they first convert, go sort of whole hog about dumping non-Christian influences from their lives. I dumped all of my non-Christian, non-instrumental CDs when I was in high school, for example. A lot of people grow out of it once they mature in their faith and don't feel so vulnerable to secular influences.

Posted by: Hal at November 28, 2012 03:41 PM (MftY/)

63 14...With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)


Home Improvement was pretty good.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:41 PM (3Y7RV)

64 I thought it WAS well written. It was best with Sheen and when the kid was a kid. I appreciated it for what it was; a joke fest with one liners and innuendo. I liked it.

Posted by: Soona at November 28, 2012 03:41 PM (WjPKH)

65 "Yesterday, a video was released of Jones calling his CBS show "filth" and urging people not to watch it. He later apologized for his comments saying, "I apologize if my remarks reflect me showing indifference to and disrespect of my colleagues and a lack of appreciation of the extraordinary opportunity of which I have been blessed. I never intended that."


It's one or the other -- not both.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:42 PM (TYO2p)

66 .......you can find that either vulgar or just plain boring.

Or both. The audience just howls at the overcooked lame cynicism.


Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:42 PM (KXm42)

67 I stopped watching it years ago. It just wasn't funny anymore.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 28, 2012 03:42 PM (l/N7H)

68 Considering the rumors that Sheen's batshit public behavior was a dodge to get out of his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid were trying a different version of the same ploy.

If he quits outright, Chuck Lorre sues his ass off.

If he gets fired, such as for trying a Kirk Cameron ploy, it frees him up to work elsewhere without the possibility of a lawsuit.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (e0xKF)

69 There are lots of really funny old movies with zero sexual content and no bathroom humor. It can be done.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (6zgse)

70 >>>Remember Taxi, how funny that was? Cheers?

Taxi was usually about bad behavior.

Cheers was frequently about sex. In fact, the whole show was conceived as an illustration of "Topic A." Someone observed that no matter what is being talked about, Topic A -- the real topic -- is sex, or sexual positioning, or whatever. Cheers had the Dianne thing for years, until she quit, then replaced that dynamic with the Frasier-Lilith sex thing. ("How about a cold one, Doc?" "I already married Lilith but I'll take a beer.")

Three's company, of course, was about sex every other line.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (LCRYB)

71
There are some really stupid shows on today. I grew up with Happy Days, Barney Miller, Taxi, Cheers, all that shit.

Today it's How I Banged Your Mother.

What kind of show is that? Every ad I see for it is Doogie Howser smirking with a beer bottle in his hand talking to others holding a beer bottle.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (jUytm)

72
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (3Y7RV)

Yes and my apple pie has been deemed to be the bestest best ever! My cookies are pretty good too.

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (iRgZG)

73 One of the chicken heads on 'The View' (don't ask) informed their audience that he's 'only 19' so he's just confused and ignorant about all this religion crap...just give him time and he'll grow up and get over it.

Tried to imagine the reaction if she had made these same comments in response to him announcing to the world he was a homosexual.

Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (9ScGj)

74 Chuck Lorre also does The Big Bang Theory which is significantly better then Two and a Half Men, I'm kind of shocked that it's done by the same person, I wonder if Lorre just doesn't give a shit anymore about TAHM.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (NzBQO)

75 Did I mention the Media includes the TV shows and Movies?




A lot of people get their delusions about how the world really works by watching crap on television and in the movies.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (bb5+k)

76 Not hard to notice that every lefty foaming at the mouth at Jones screams about the same thing: HYPOCRISY !!11!!!!!!

Of course, they only foam about hypocrisy over his religion. They don't foam about the hypocrisy of Ashton Kutcher promoting socialism and taxing the rich while he spends thousands stuffing white powder up his nose and driving a Ferrari

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (wwsoB)

77 My cookies are pretty good too.
Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (iRgZG)

I bet they are.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (3Y7RV)

78 I thought the show always sucked, anyway.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (vGtOG)

79 >>>63 14...With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues? Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

I'd write a comedy about a blog, where lazy ass fucks post political and sexually charged comments all day (and all night) long.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (TYO2p)

80 Ace, you know that's a crap argument. If this was an adults-only show, it would not be on during prime time. Or are you assuming a middle schooler is capable of understanding this schlock?



People are clueless about what it takes to truly relate to the opposite sex, so yes, sometimes laughing helps, but this doesn't serve that purpose. It simply says that people are the sum total of their genitalia, since that's all they pay any attention to. Somewhat akin to "voting like your lady parts depend upon it." Not so funny in that context, but okay during prime time?


Not to mention the stupidity of most things on TV. Appealing to the lowest common denominator. Waste of money and manpower, honestly.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (ZOUmX)

81 All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians (or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself.


It's not the laughing at that's the problem, it's participating in something that glorifies sin. Watching television or going to a movie or listening to secular music is Wrong and Bad and Terrible because you are participating in the glorification of impurity. It is very much like movies made during the days of the production code where immorality (particularly by women) must be punished, preferably by the death of that harlot. Sin is serious business and laughing at it is accepting the worldly notion that sin is something humorous and isn't that big of a deal. Since that is the case, you should not participate in it at all.


It will be interesting to see what happens if he does walk at the end of the year. It's actually a huge deal in some Christian circles about what to do if you have a job that you find in conflict with your faith, particularly if you are under contract. Most people I know would say quit because your faith should take precedence while there are others who would say to work out the end of the contract so as to meet your obligations and then walk.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (VtjlW)

82 72
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:39 PM (3Y7RV)

Yes and my apple pie has been deemed to be the bestest best ever! My cookies are pretty good too.
Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (iRgZG)

How're yer pancakes?

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (vGtOG)

83 I'll call it: Two and a Half Morons.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (TYO2p)

84 also with twitchy, I realize Malkin isn't writing intellectual dissertations on this or that (though those can be annoying in a different way) but I guess I find this game of trying to out-tolerance each other sort of worthless? Not that it can't be funny to see how unhinged the Left's become. but other than a certain minimum respect for people I don't generally see tolerance as a virtue, at least not how it's used in modern times.

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (60GaT)

85
I stopped watching sitcoms when Friends arrived. Why?

Because I have nothing in common with those people. I don't know anyone who lives like they do. It's pure fantasy.

Only Hollywood writers and execs believe people really talk like that.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (jUytm)

86 The hate for the other is because the hatersknow they are wrong, they feel guilty about that, and they lash out at the person that is reminding them that they are doing wrong thus making them feel bad.

The haterscan only soothe their consciences when they can keep saying that everyone actually agrees with them, deep inside.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sunny day... at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (hLRSq)

87
THM: a bunch of sex jokes...just not funny
Rules of Engagement: sex jokes, not ALL the time, but they're there,and that show is funny

I think it's the characters

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (9ghZ6)

88
47...I am a woman and have never seen or read the Twilight dreck, hate rom-coms, and loath chic flicks. I love action movies. My theory is, the bigger and louder the weapon/explosion/bad guy screaming in pain, the better the movie is. No real plot needed.... just good guy good, bad guy dead in a loud, ugly, painful, bloody manner. Now THAT is a great movie.

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:38 PM (iRgZG)

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Same here.
Except, I've seen the Twilight movies because of my daughter.

I love action flicks too, with a good-triumphs-over-evil-theme...especially the ones with a lot of special effects and things being blown up.

Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (CM59X)

89 Chuck Lorre also does The Big Bang Theory which is
significantly better then Two and a Half Men, I'm kind of shocked that
it's done by the same person, I wonder if Lorre just doesn't give a shit
anymore about TAHM.


Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (NzBQO)

TAHM used to be better. It is suffering from a normal creative exhaustion. After awhile, it gets really hard to think up new plots that aren't rehashes of previous plots. The Entire industry is suffering somewhat from this problem, hence all the remakes of past ideas.

In my Opinion, the Simpsons jumped the shark a long time ago.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (bb5+k)

90 I don't mind the sex jokes but when it's all you got it does nothing for me. My 2 favorite sitcoms are Cheers Frasier, both mainly have to do with the main guy trying to get laid. yet in all of that there were some touching moments and serious subjects

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (yAor6)

91 What tsrblke and Hal said.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (is6yP)

92 All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians
(or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or
laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that
foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself.


There's a kind of laughing at human foible that recognizes it as a non-optimal behavior, then there's the kind that amounts to indulgence and seeks to normalize the foible. You seem to be deliberately conflating the two. This is how we get...well, where we are now, frankly.

Posted by: Klawnet at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (ePxxX)

93
Chuck Lorre also does The Big Bang Theory


Chuck also does Mike and Molly.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (GQ8sn)

94 Everybody loves Raymond always made me laugh. Marie reminded my wife of my Mom.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (3Y7RV)

95 Bravo, AtC. Bravo.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (sbV1u)

96 85
I stopped watching sitcoms when Friends arrived. Why?

Because I have nothing in common with those people. I don't know anyone who lives like they do. It's pure fantasy.

Only Hollywood writers and execs believe people really talk like that.

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Appropriate, given that Friends was pretty much assembled by the NBC execs using a bunch of spare parts they'd been trying, unsuccessfully, to push in other projects for a while.

When Friends became a success as a lead-in for Seinfeld, the NBC execs started fucking with all the other shows in the lineup because they could point to Friends as proof of their genius.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:47 PM (e0xKF)

97 By the third viewing, I was saying the punchlines with Charlie Sheen.

Totally predictable.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:47 PM (KXm42)

98 Yes and my apple pie has been deemed to be the bestest best ever! My cookies are pretty good too

How YOU doin'?

Posted by: fluffy at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (4pSIn)

99 Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 03:46 PM (is6yP)
I will totally make you regret those words!
No one agrees with me and gets away with it cleanly .

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (YloHR)

100
Not to mention the stupidity of most things on
TV. Appealing to the lowest common denominator. Waste of money and
manpower, honestly.


Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (ZOUmX)

Bread and Circuses-Welfare and Television.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (bb5+k)

101 :::some model whose boobs are bigger than her brains.:::

While that is literally true, the same can be said about many women. Women like Nell Carter. And yet, I don't see you denigrating Nell Carter for her cup size, RACIST.

Seriously? Why you be hatin'? That girl didn't do anything to you.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (u6Ixe)

102 In my Opinion, the Simpsons jumped the shark a long time ago.

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It definitely jumped by the 10th season.

It's just a question of where the dropoff really begins, with a few mediocre episodes in the 6th or 7th seasons or some godawful episodes in the 8th and 9th seasons.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (e0xKF)

103
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at November 28, 2012 03:44 PM (vGtOG)

Pancakes are okay, omelets are better and the veggie/beef stew or spicy chicken soup are to die for.

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:49 PM (iRgZG)

104 the unrealistic nature is also annoying in sitcoms these days. for instance in How I Met Your Mother, would any of us feel ok with the idea that our best friend is banging our ex, much less marrying her?

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 03:49 PM (yAor6)

105 The Simpsons can't even get it up once a year for the Halloween special now.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 03:49 PM (jPVBi)

106 atc, wow, that was an excellent explanation.

As a Christian, I must say that I (and I suspect, most Christians in this country and other places with religious freedom) fall short of this standard. I do restrict most of my Netflix watching to old movies (mostly B&W), partly to avoid all sex all the time stuff that is so prevalent now and which I don't find stimulating, and because I find so many of the old movies very enjoyable. (There are some veritable crapfests, too, though.)

As for violence, my conscience isn't made uncomfortable by most superhero and some action movies as they are usually about struggles between good and evil forces. Gratuitous violence is not to my taste, though.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 03:49 PM (6zgse)

107 I will totally make you regret those words!
No one agrees with me and gets away with it cleanly .
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (YloHR
Do your worst, knave!

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 03:49 PM (is6yP)

108 Tried to imagine the reaction if she had made these same comments in response to him announcing to the world he was a homosexual.
Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 03:43 PM (9ScGj)

__
Or a wahhabi Muslim.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 03:50 PM (jm/9g)

109 I'm kind of done with single thirty somethings living in New York, How I Met Your Mother jumped the shark, shows like Happy Endings just look stupid. And I'm done with NY cop, fireman, doctor, lawyer shows.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 03:50 PM (NzBQO)

110 104 the unrealistic nature is also annoying in sitcoms these days. for instance in How I Met Your Mother, would any of us feel ok with the idea that our best friend is banging our ex, much less marrying her?

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Not realistic for most of us.

All too realistic for people in Hollywood, though, and I'm not talking about on the screen.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:50 PM (e0xKF)

111 >>>68 Considering the rumors that Sheen's batshit public behavior was a dodge to get out of his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid were trying a different version of the same ploy.

Sheen was getting a million per episode. Now he makes what??? Also, he has had a long and serious history with drugs. Sheen repeatedly held up production. Lorre is a recovering addict. They offered him help, he refused, so he was fired.

This kid is making a third of a million per episode. Since he has always been highly paid and has no idea what it is like to go without, he may be in for a surprise if he keeps biting the hand that feeds him.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (TYO2p)

112 The episode of Two and a half men when he wrote children's songs was hilarious, and the one with Jenna Elfman, God do I love her, and then there's the one with Jenny McCarthy as the Ferrari sales lady, Damn she's hot. Other than that I never really watched it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (3Y7RV)

113 Seriously? Why you be hatin'? That girl didn't do anything to you.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 03:48 PM (u6Ixe)

Well, sweetie, I'm a 40DD, so mine are probably in that category as well, but I have enough of a moral compass to NOT post the pics. Rub one out to somebody else, thank you.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (ZOUmX)

114 Sex jokes are funny when placed right. When all the jokes are about sex, it gets old and lame, proof that the writers are just phoning it in

The way Hollywood works, if you have ONE hit show that's successful enough to be a syndication cash cow, the studios will green light just about anything the writer/producer made

Just about everything turned out by the Friends team has flopped, but they get green lighted no matter how big a piece of shit they drop on the network boss's desk

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (wwsoB)

115 >>>There's a kind of laughing at human foible that recognizes it as a non-optimal behavior, then there's the kind that amounts to indulgence and seeks to normalize the foible. You seem to be deliberately conflating the two. This is how we get...well, where we are now, frankly.

Explain to me the difference. Explain to me how you tell the two apart.

Does it turn on whether there is a Morality Play element to the plotline in which the transgressors are ultimately embarrassed or left in failure or otherwise stung by their sins?

And if it's that, by the way, due note that almost every comedy does this, even the sexual/"sin glorifying" ones. It is a general trope of any short entertainment that any plan to deceive or take advantage will wind up with the deceiver/advantage-taker winding up in a worse position than he started. Even "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" does this, all the time.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (LCRYB)

116 Sitcoms have to be unrealistic to some degree. Otherwise, they'd be called "documentaries" and no one would watch them (unless they are on the Military Channel). Real life is generally pretty boring, and almost never makes you laugh out loud.

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (P47hr)

117 " These sorts of formulations suggest that we must, at literally all
times, be thinking about Christ, about how to become more like Christ,
and so on and so forth."

Ace, I know you are an atheist, but this is actually what Christianity demands. Sure, it seems like an impossible standard to meet, but it has been done. Consider the life of Mother Theresa.

Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (0PiQ4)

118 You'd almost get the idea that nobody lives anywhere but NYC, LA, Chicago, and Malibu.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 03:52 PM (9ghZ6)

119 I've seen a number of "Two" episodes, and yeah, it's terrible without Charlie Sheen. But even at its best, it's all about people insulting each other. No character on the show has the slightest regard for any of the others.

And every female character (aside from Rose, who is crazy) on the show is a hateful monster. It really is one of the most misogynistic shows ever, and I don't casually toss that word around.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2012 03:52 PM (P7hip)

120 Family Guy.

What are your thoughts on this show? FG has, I think, the same or more sex jokes than TAAHM in one ep. Some of the sex jokes are very explicit and definitely cross lines, things that you could not get away with on a live-action tv show.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:52 PM (GQ8sn)

121 and that's why i'm a fan of "The Office". yeah it's gotten horrible lately and it's on NBC but at least it's something different and making the show 100% about sex isn't it's forte. Keep feeding me the same crap and I grow bored

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (yAor6)

122 The thing is that Angus' comments - while provided through a typical nonfiltered teenage point of view - were pretty much dead on. The entire premise of the Show is about sex and the lack of value placed on human relationships and in particular marriage. Sheen's character jumps from one bed to another, with a different woman walking out of his bedroom nearly every episode. The Brother's character is constantly mocked for his failed attempts to establish a serious monogamous relationship. The mother treats her family as an inconvenience. All of this is played out in front of a young man who's a bit nerdy, not that popular and in need of positive role models in his life.

And we wonder why today's men are less likely to want to commit to marriage and family - look at the messaging.

2 and 1/2 Men isn't the first bad show on TV - but it was refreshing to see one of it's main characters recognize what was wrong with it. And I thought he tried - again through the teenage filter - to do the right thing, especially when it wouldn't be the popular thing.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (L4CWX)

123 Come to think of it, wahhabi muslims wouldn't approve of 2 and a half men, either because it shows women in the presence of men other than blood relatives or husband.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (jm/9g)

124 Most of what I watch is on FX or AMC. The "big three" ran out of ideas many years ago.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (l/N7H)

125
given the choice between watching an episode of Hogan's Heroes for the 23rd time or watching an episode of How I Banged Your Mother...

I'll take Hogan's Heroes.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (jUytm)

126 Pancakes are okay, omelets are better and the veggie/beef stew or spicy chicken soup are to die for.

She totally wants me.

Posted by: the part of fluffy's brain that thinks about food at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (4pSIn)

127 Consider the life of Mother Theresa.


Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (0PiQ4)

Consider the life of any practicing Catholic. Even if we sin like mad, we know we are doing it, and we fess up before we approach the altar. Makes us think twice, at least, and in some cases leads to outright sainthood.

Posted by: tcn at November 28, 2012 03:54 PM (ZOUmX)

128 Well, sweetie, I'm a 40DD, so mine are probably in that category as well

What?!?! Wooot!!!!


but I have enough of a moral compass to NOT post the pics.


Awwww!!!!

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:54 PM (GQ8sn)

129
I can think of Col Klink and it will make me laugh in my head. That was a funny show.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:54 PM (jUytm)

130 125
given the choice between watching an episode of Hogan's Heroes for the 23rd time or watching an episode of How I Banged Your Mother...

I'll take Hogan's Heroes.

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I know nothing!

Posted by: Sgt. Schultz at November 28, 2012 03:54 PM (e0xKF)

131 "Family Guy."

FG was awesome Pre-cancellation. Post-cancellation I can't stand it. Especially with politics getting more and more involved in it. I don't wanna tune in to 30 mins of being called an evil Rethuglican. At least South Park will make fun of everyone no matter what beliefs or political affiliations

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (yAor6)

132 Hooogan! Aaaaaace!

Posted by: colonel klink at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (jPVBi)

133
I still like PSYCH though.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (jUytm)

134
Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (CM59X)

Did you totally dig "The Expendables"? I am soooo totally in love with both of those and I don't usually enjoy sequels as much as the original. Waiting to see "Taken 2" on dvd along with the newest Statham "Safe".

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (iRgZG)

135 Chuck Lorre also does The Big Bang Theory which is significantly better then Two and a Half Men

I found TBBT unwatchable, to be honest. I've seen it described as a "nerd minstrel show", and I think that fits what I've seen of it quite well.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (B/VB5)

136 Frankly, it just isn't that funny, nor is it useful to society.

Sorry Dr. Marx, but this idea that humor must be "useful to society" is the stupidest thing ever. Rather than spending your time hectoring vulgarians for their insufficiently refined taste in humor, maybe you should just change the fucking channel if you don't like it. Who the hell goes around running all their decisions through a, "is it useful to society?" filter? An asshole, that's who.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (+lsX1)

137 Ace, I know you are an atheist, but this is actually
what Christianity demands. Sure, it seems like an impossible standard
to meet, but it has been done. Consider the life of Mother Theresa.


Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 03:51 PM (0PiQ4)
The bar was set too high for us, intentionally. For followers of the Way, the only hope is in the Sacrifice. For everyone else, there's no hope at all. Basic Christianity. Dear old Mother Theresa fell far short of the goal too, because she's, uh, human.

Posted by: tubal at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (BoE3Z)

138 Sitcoms that have jumped the shark:

Two and a Half Men
The Big Bang Theory

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (XUKZU)

139 I still like PSYCH though.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (jUytm)


I like Burn Notice, Revenge and NCIS.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (3Y7RV)

140
Family Guy.

...can suck my metaphorical dick. Started funny, but when I saw them get away with machine--gunning a picture of Bush, I lost it.
Like the dog, though.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (9ghZ6)

141 I thought the Cosby Show was really funny.

Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (0PiQ4)

142 Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 03:53 PM (L4CWX)

There you go ace, attach that to my earlier comment and I think we've attempted an answer at your question regarding the difference between the two.
(FWIW, I've always wondered what the moral torque of "Sunny" is actually. It's hard to tell if it's mocking the main characters for their misanthropic actions, or holding them up as examples.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (YloHR)

143 The Office has sadly sharkjumped but in it's prime was as funny as a TV show can be.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (KXm42)

144 Hogan's Heroes was fucking awesome! So was MASH. Neither was about sex. It can be done!

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (GQ8sn)

145 Like the dog, though.

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The verbal takedown of Brian the dog by Quagmire was epic, as it's pretty much directed at Seth MacFarlane and his bullshit as much as the Brian character.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:57 PM (e0xKF)

146
Two and a Half Men?
Never saw the show.
Hell I'm still trying to figure out the fame of Kim Kardashian beside TA.


Posted by: YIKES! at November 28, 2012 03:57 PM (mETGQ)

147 Hooogan! Aaaaaace!

Posted by: colonel klink


Which cob would be Sgt Carter?

Posted by: fluffy's brain at November 28, 2012 03:57 PM (4pSIn)

148
You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?

No bullcrap, I'd love to have dinner with:

1. Col Klink
2. Andrew Jackson
3. Rod Serling

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:57 PM (jUytm)

149 140

the dog is MacFarlane's political mouthpiece though

but Brian Stewie together do tend to be the funniest part of the show

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (60GaT)

150 This post insists upon itself. There. I said it.

Posted by: peter griffin at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (jPVBi)

151
Most comedy shows these days are about people insulting each other. Earlier, I was c/o dramas where everyone is a total shit. There are no heros/good guys. But, some people like that, or so I've been told.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (TYO2p)

152 Posted by: WalrusRex at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (XUKZU)

And of course.... Happy Days.... (for those who don't remember, its where the term 'jump the shark' came from)

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (lZBBB)

153
yeah, I still like Burn Notice, too.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (jUytm)

154 Haven't watched a sit-com since Seinfeld. The last original TV writing IMO.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (jvd3N)

155 Never watched it. Never. Don't like Sheen.

Big Bang Theory, on the other paw, is funny.

The jokes are more about the interactions between Uber-Geeks. Very little about sex other than the typical geek longing for the cute girl next door.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (QbdUW)

156 I'm fine with Modern Family, it's a pretty realistic portrayal of families living in the LA suburbs, the Obamacare joke a few weeks back was pretty funny. The Big Bang theory is fine as well, Sheldon comes from a deeply religious East Texas family that he mocks but he always runs back to his deeply religious mother who always knows what's best for him. While his roommate is the son of overly educated psychologists who don't know how to be loving parents.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (NzBQO)

157
and I miss HOUSE

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (jUytm)

158 So was MASH. Neither was about sex.

**blink**

Posted by: toby928© for TB at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (evdj2)

159 I'm confused by your post Ace.

I am not a regular watcher of the show. When I do see it, it is like a guilty pleasure, because it is sometimes funny, while also being rather disturbing.

It's like putting too much pepper in the soup. The sexual, potty, and other off-color humor gets tiresome. I can't stand much of it, because it is frankly offensive. This is not the Canterbury Tales that includes some piquant dialog in an otherwise cerebral stew of ideas; it is a rather monotonous deluge of distastefulness.

It's not just the innuendo, but rather the total lack of empathy and respect that characters in the show display to one another. Indeed, that's probably the worst part of it, because the dialog is often rather witty, but it is so cruel and malicious that it cuts anyone who pays any thought to it.

I think it is good that Angus sees the shallowness of the program. It has no higher purpose than to titillate, which it does admirably; but it does nothing more.


Posted by: kraki at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (ylLDT)

160
The verbal takedown of Brian the dog by Quagmire was epic, as it's pretty much directed at Seth MacFarlane and his bullshit as much as the Brian character.
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I heard a clip of that. Beautiful.

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (9ghZ6)

161 Hogan's Heroes was fucking awesome! So was MASH. Neither was about sex. It can be done!


Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (GQ8sn)

Are you sure about that? Because I spent a lot of time chasing nurses.

Posted by: Hawkeye at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (YloHR)

162 >>>The thing is that Angus' comments - while provided through a typical nonfiltered teenage point of view - were pretty much dead on. The entire premise of the Show is about sex and the lack of value placed on human relationships and in particular marriage. Sheen's character jumps from one bed to another, with a different woman walking out of his bedroom nearly every episode.

but why is edification/reinforcement of religious/social strictures/morality-play lessons a necessary component of entertainment?

This isn't Sunday School.

L, elle--

I understand that is what some Christianity teaches. I also understand that it's impossible. I understand further that while nits are being argued about, people -- including Christians -- continue actually practicing far greater sins (and practicing them, as opposed to watching others practice them on a fictional tv show, and laughing at their follies).

It seems to me a large case of Motes in Thine Eye.

And I thus view this as a sort of "Escapist Sin Denouncing." It's an escapist past-time permitting he who indulges in it to ignore the real problems and real sins in his own life.

I've noted before that a lot of preachers will spend whole sermons denouncing, for example, homosexuality, despite the fact that not 3% of the population is homosexual and far less than that tiny percentage in the congregation are homosexual. Meanwhile, the sins actually practiced by most of the congregation -- sloth, lust, *pride*, greed, and so forth -- are sort of given a "and watch out for these, too" treatment.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (LCRYB)

163 Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 03:58 PM (TYO2p)

Yeah.... because back in the good old days.... no one EVERY insulted each other....

Right Norton?

Posted by: Ralph Cramden at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (lZBBB)

164 144 Hogan's Heroes was fucking awesome! So was MASH. Neither was about sex. It can be done!

---

MASH was funny until someone decided to let Alan Alda turn it into his personal soapbox.

I refuse to watch anything after the third season.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (e0xKF)

165 None of this means anything to me. I have a firm rule, if a show has canned laughter, it is turned off. SNL is the only exception.

MSM prime time is for idiots or teenagers or those who still think they are teenagers.

I got History, Food, Military, Fox, Travel, Science, TCM, AMC, maybe a little PBS and sports.

That is all. The rest is just fucking garbage.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (wR+pz)

166 When I first heard about "Two and A Half Men," I just assumed it was some kind of wholesome, vanilla clone of shows like "Full House."

I had no idea it was the Filthiest Show on Television, and I have to admit it was a delightful discovery. I don't watch it regularly, but it pretty much always makes me laugh.

Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (znT2j)

167 Family Guy works. That's all I can say.

TAAHM is soul-sucking shit.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (KXm42)

168
Not realistic for most of us.



All too realistic for people in Hollywood, though, and I'm not talking about on the screen.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:50 PM (e0xKF)

Something I point out in discussions all the time is this: Historically, actors/actresses were considered the very worst sort of people, fit only to associate with liars, thieves, gamblers, hookers and various classes of perverts. When they plied their trade in theaters, among audiences numbering no more than a few thousand, they could make a little money, and sway opinions amongst their audience, but for the most part they had little influence over Society in General.

After Thomas Edison invented the Movies, they now had audiences in the millions, and could get far more money for the same effort. They ended up having more influence by being on the screen, and they had more money with which to influence off the screen. They are nowadays still pretty much a bunch of narcissistic shallow people only fit to associate with liars, thieves, gamblers, hookers and various classes of perverts, but now they have strong influence on society, and they have been moving it in their direction (decadence and debauchery) for quite some time.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (bb5+k)

169 All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians (or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself.


----------------------------------------------------


There's also that balance of taking one's self way too seriously and laughing in agreement to a particular behaviour. I'm old and have found out many things about myself and of others.

One of the main things I've found is that I and everyone else is bent on something. None of us is without a glaring fault. Just noticed that some of the people so rigid in they're thinking on this thread were whooping it up over some chicks tits in the last thread. Steady, people, steady.

Posted by: Soona at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (WjPKH)

170 "You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"

1. Calvin Coolidge; 2. James Ellroy; 3. Vince McMahon

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (yAor6)

171 Posted by: Hawkeye at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (YloHR)

And the origional movie WAS rated R...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (lZBBB)

172 I think Psych & BN have both unfortunately jumped the shark.

I like:

Big Bang
Breaking Bad
Boardwalk Empires
Homeland
TWD
TTD

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (TYO2p)

173 I'm half listening to Sheppy talking about a stripper with a pole and stoned alligators.....injuries insued....

Posted by: Jane D'oh, Life Coach at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (UOM48)

174 I never watched two and a half men. I hate that fucking theme song.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (g2ldK)

175 Thisdiscussion reminded me of a quote attributed to Mark Twain:
Everything human is pathetic. The secret source of humor itself is not joy but sorrow. There is no humor in heaven.

Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (90w0O)

176 145

Yeah I got the sense that it was basically MacFarlane acknowledging that he realized some people think the way he presents his political views are annoying, without disavowing them. good that he has some self-awareness though

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (60GaT)

177 I do sorta agree with his critics in that it's the height of douchebaggery to continue collecting $350k per episode after telling people not to watch it because it's filth.

You have serious moral and/or religious objections to the show, to the point of publicly denouncing it? Fine, but fucking quit first, douche.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (SY2Kh)

178 I have learned that the only way to understand liberals is the following:

Take nothing they say at face value.

Realize that everything they say has one goal: beating up on the opposition. In effect- WINNING.



Posted by: Jones in CO at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (8sCoq)

179 No bullcrap, I'd love to have dinner with: 1. Col Klink ===
You do mean Werner Klemperererer, don't you?

Posted by: fluffy at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (4pSIn)

180 You know, we're all hung up on the goodness and badness of the show. We've forgotten the main point. Dude expressed his opinion and was beaten into submission by the "tolerance brigade"

Also /sock off

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (YloHR)

181 Seth McFarlane did something nice for Breitbart once.

When both of them were on Bill Maher's show, Breitbart told McFarlane that his son was a huge fan of Family Guy. McFarlane asked for Breitbart's cellphone and called his son. McFarlane then proceeds to talk to Breitbart's son for 15 minutes in the voices of Peter, Brian, and Stewart leaving him in stitches.

Other than that, McFarlane can suck my dick too.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (GQ8sn)

182 Comedy TV I can watch over and over: Monty Python, SCTV, Fawlty Towers. There may be others but those come to the top of my head.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (P7hip)

183 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 03:57 PM (e0xKF)

I like stewie.The seen where he kills new brian is the funniest thing I think I have ever seen.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (3Y7RV)

184
the first 3 seasons of MASH were really good
after that...

Also, Bob Crane (Col Hogan) was not impressed with MASH, which aired soon after Hogan's was canceled.

Crane said they did all those jokes first. Not really true since MASH was unique as was Hogan's Heroes.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 04:02 PM (jUytm)

185 atc, wow, that was an excellent explanation.


Thanks! I grew up in that world so I understand very well the mentality behind some of the things that seem to puzzle others.


Story time! I once was giving a ride to some people and one of the guys started to Mansplain to me why Amy Grant was so evil. He then suggested that everyone say a prayer for me to guide me back to Christ's path. I waited until he got a couple sentences into the prayer and then turned up the volume full blast. It was a sheer and utter and complete coincidence that the chorus to Closer by NIN started right then. It is wrong that I still take such delight in the look on his face.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 04:02 PM (VtjlW)

186
You do mean Werner Klemperererer, don't you?

No, I mean Klink.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 04:02 PM (jUytm)

187 >>>It's not just the innuendo, but rather the total lack of empathy and respect that characters in the show display to one another. Indeed, that's probably the worst part of it, because the dialog is often rather witty, but it is so cruel and malicious that it cuts anyone who pays any thought to it.

i quite literally have never seen a full episode. I have seen two, exactly two, half-episodes. I have no idea about the show *in particular.* The only thing I'm talking about is the general complaint about this or that being joked about in comedies.

I can't defend the show specifically because I literally have never seen a full episode.

I have no idea if there's cruelty and humiliation and such. I'll take your word for it, but also note that comedy is, in fact, about embarrassment and humiliation. Every plotline that begins with a main character conniving a deception is going to end, inevitably, with him getting his comeuppance and embarrassment and yes, humiliation.

Every once in a great while the Sinner Wins but this is uncommon and always gets noted for just being so against the grain of things.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (LCRYB)

188 >>>Right Norton?
Posted by: Ralph Cramden

One, today's shows are nothing but insults.
Two, I hated that show. I was a child and it scared me. He was always threatening to beat up his wife and they lived in that awful tenement.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (TYO2p)

189 Back in the 70s there were loads of hilarious sitcoms, and although a sex joke was thrown in here and there, it was in context and funny because of how it was placed.

Mary Tyler Moore wasn't all sex all the time, that's what made jokes about Sue Ann's loose ways all that much funnier

Kind of like this blog. The sex is thrown in as a condiment, rather than just dumping nothing but a bottle of ketchup on the plate.

If you want all sex all the time, there's loads of porn on the internet waiting for you

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (wwsoB)

190 I'm a live and let live person for the most part. I'm not usually bothered by portrayals of smutty, even irresponsible behavior. In my view, if you don't like it don't watch it. I used to watch the show the first couple of seasons. At some point I decided that the focus on screwing anybody and everybody, annoyed me so I stopped watching it.

I do believe that a large part of television viewers do no critical thinking whatever when they watch what is on tv. A lot of the same people who watch 2 1/2 Men, without ever questioning the extremely, indiscriminate screwing around that it portrays, are the same people who haven't noticed that most tv news shows are openly promoting a liberal political agenda, and THEIR presidential candidate, Obama.

Many of these same viewers are all for "Free Abortion On Demand, No Apologies". and for forcing the Catholic Church's health insurance to cover birth control and abortion pills, because the news and entertainment industry subjects them to a constant barrage of shows that promote those ideas as "fair".

The attitudes that are promoted on tv are detrimental to society, and unfortunately, many people are too brain dead to notice. Ultra liberals in the entertainment industry are taking advantage of the unquestioning thoughtlessness of the tv viewers to shape public opinion. It worked very well in the last presidential election.

In the end the real problem isn't the manipulative tv people, it is that so many viewers are too dumb to realize they are being manipulated. In a free society, which I believe in, this is a danger.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (r3uU6)

191 Wonder if revamped Girl Meets World will be any good.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (NzBQO)

192 Are you sure about that? Because I spent a lot of time chasing nurses.

Yeah, but the whole premise of the show's jokes are completely different than what you see on Two and A Half Men. There are many other types of jokes in MASH than about Houlihan and the other nurses.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (GQ8sn)

193 Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 28, 2012 04:01 PM (P7hip)

BlackAdder

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (lZBBB)

194 The only sitcom I watch is Jay Carney Explains It All. Man, that show is a kneeslapper of the absurdist theory.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (XUKZU)

195 Haven't watched a sit-com since Seinfeld. The last original TV writing IMO.

Last original TV writing? Not even close: It's Always Sunny, The League, South Park, Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Archer, Justified, etc. There's probably never been more original writing on TV than there is right now.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (+lsX1)

196
but why is edification/reinforcement of religious/social strictures/morality-play lessons a necessary component of entertainment?

This isn't Sunday School.


Ace, are you familiar with the term "worldview?"

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (is6yP)

197 162

I'm not saying that's entirely false but part of it is that you're talking something that people're increasingly thinking is completely OK vs. things that no one is saying is OK. From an orthodox Christian perspective obviously there'd be more pushback on the former.

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (60GaT)

198
Yeah! MTM and Bob Newhart!

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (TYO2p)

199 Do they ever joke about antibiotic-resistant STDs in any of these contemporary comedies?

Because that could open up a whole mini-series of sitcom gold:

Episode 24: Charlie Sheen character wracks his brain trying to remember what hos he banged so he cannotify them to look out for teh chlamydia.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (jm/9g)

200 >>>"You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"

1) George S. Patton
2) Michael J. Nelson
3) Ric Flair

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (sGU4F)

201 Once I realized the show had nothing to do with midgets, I never thought about watching it.

Posted by: Roy at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (VndSC)

202 Every once in a great while the Sinner Wins but this
is uncommon and always gets noted for just being so against the grain
of things.





Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:03 PM (LCRYB)
Two and a half men may be the rare exception, up until they killed him off it was almost arguable that Sheen's character was the hero to be mimicked while his brother's attempts to find an actual relationship are roundly mocked.Then they lost sheen and had to find a way to work with that.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (YloHR)

203 psych is one of those shows that frankly jumped the shark from episode one but then jumps back every third or fourth episode. it has jumped the shark more and more lately.

It's also not even been on in like a year.

when was the last time psych was on? It's been a very long time.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (LCRYB)

204 No, I mean Klink

He not real.

You sad? Elmo make you feel better.

Posted by: Elmo at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM (4pSIn)

205 If MASH were produced today, it would be all about Hawkeye trying to get laid and btw, once in a while you'd be reminded that the Korean War is going on outside the tent.

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM (wwsoB)

206 re: "Twilight, whatever the hell that is"

My wife read a couple of those, out of some kind of womanly social obligation, so I asked her about it, and she doesn't even remember what happened. I guess it's like how I don't remember the plot of any random Danger Mouse episode. I've seen 'em, but...

Anyway, the impression I get from whenever Twilight gets talked about is that in the story there's a girl who's a nothing-special sort of girl-just-like-you until it turns out that everything that happens in the world, especially in the Secret Magical World That's Even Realer Than This One, is really determined by how a couple stereotypical female-fantasy alpha-with-a-heart dudes succeed and/or don't succeed in seducing her and then in maintaining their "alpha frames" thereafter, and so the Fate Of Everybody Ever basically depends on constant updates to some flighty teenager's relationship status.

The male analog would be something like, OK, so there's WWIII, and it turns out that underneath all the geopolitical drama that led to this most deadly and devastating war to end all wars, it's really a dispute between Mila Kunis and Sasha Grey (who are both Jesus) about who gets to blow you, and so after brazilians of casualties finally, now that *you* know the truth, the horror can be ended by an epic oil-drenched fist-off between the two of them that only you can watch, but! if you jerk yourself to impotence while watching the fist-off and can't get it up for the blow job at the end, the UNIVERSE WILL BE DESTROYED, but! you gotta jerk it, because holy shit look what's happening, and so you do, you jerk it SO MANY TIMES, and then it's beej time with Mila, but oh no your dick is beat up like Rodney King and it'll probably never work again...but! it turns out that no matter how many loads you just dropped, you got wood right now! You're not as average as you thought! Then we all get free pancakes.

Sort of. I mean, it would be *like* that, but stupid.

Posted by: oblig. at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM (cePv8)

207
you'll remember that Hogan's Heroes had a laughtrack and you'd hear it everytime the antenna materialized from the coffee pot in Clink's office

or was it the antenna on the flagpole?

Anyway, it was funny. every. single. time. and didn't even need the laughtrack.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM (jUytm)

208
The Its Always Sunny Halloween episode was pretty funny.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:07 PM (TYO2p)

209 "19 ..his parents are saying his new church is brainwashing him or something."

How much are they getting as his "managers"? Which is the usual way for parents of child actors to reap the rewards of their kid's stardom.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:07 PM (r3uU6)

210 170 "You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"

1. Calvin Coolidge; 2. James Ellroy; 3. Vince McMahon

---

Will Vince do his duck-walk into the restaurant with "No Chance In Hell" as his background music?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:08 PM (e0xKF)

211 Two and a Half Men" Co-Star Denounces Own Show as "Filth;

And is that any different from any other TV show.

Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane,now in Sandy Ut at November 28, 2012 04:08 PM (xGX1p)

212 The best part of Hogan's Heroes was the fact that it was almost all Jewish actors playing inept Nazis.

Posted by: Roy at November 28, 2012 04:08 PM (VndSC)

213 I've noted before that a lot of preachers will spend whole sermons denouncing, for example, homosexuality, despite the fact that not 3% of the population is homosexual and far less than that tiny percentage in the congregation are homosexual. Meanwhile, the sins actually practiced by most of the congregation -- sloth, lust, *pride*, greed, and so forth -- are sort of given a "and watch out for these, too" treatment.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:59 PM (LCRYB)


Ace, you do have a point. But we can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can talk about societal sins as well as personal ones.

In my experience, the vast, vast majority of preaching in my current and previous churches has to do with things that are directly relevant to our lives as Christian, including on the occasions we talk about sin. Homosexuality is rarely brought up. We do acknowledge it as being against the law of God, but I've never heard it preached on as the a topic of a sermon.

The one or two sex sermons I've heard have little to nothing to do with homosexuality; they're about how to have a healthy and godly attitude to sex.

This is just my experience though. YMMV.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 04:08 PM (6zgse)

214 If you had to pick a show that started the whole 30 minutes of sex jokes mixed in with commercials for shampoo, it would be Married With Children

It was funny at first, but if you look at the reruns now it's not all that hilarious because everyone else is telling the same jokes

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (wwsoB)

215
With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?



Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

My Three Sons was pretty darned funny in it's day.

I saw an interview with John Cleese a while back - Monty Python was famous for lampooning the famous "Brittish stiff upper lip". Cleese's compliant was that he hated living in London because it was now a Yob culture - instead of the Brittish culture he had grown up with.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (L4CWX)

216
Of course I know Clink isn't "real."

But it's not like it is less of a stretch to expect Andrew Jackson to somehow not be dead anymore...and be in the same time as me.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (jUytm)

217 @164: Amen to that. Except I watch nothing after the FIRST season...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (wtvvX)

218 Sorry Dr. Marx, but this idea that humor must be
"useful to society" is the stupidest thing ever. Rather than spending
your time hectoring vulgarians for their insufficiently refined taste in
humor, maybe you should just change the fucking channel if you don't
like it. Who the hell goes around running all their decisions through a,
"is it useful to society?" filter? An asshole, that's who.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (+lsX1)

If StormFront had a channel preaching that certain races should be viciously attacked and/or murdered, would you be content to just change the channel, or would you take a moment to consider what sort of effect this will have on you if your neighbors are watching this stuff?

Something similar is occurring in television land, but not quite so blatant and not quite so fast. The Nation used to be concerned about this and mandated standards for the Hollywood industries. The nation also slowly got tired of enforcing them, and now the utmost sewer crap is piped into the homes of neighbors and their impressionable kids who grow up thinking this stuff is normal and acceptable.

It's a propaganda war dude.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (bb5+k)

219 So, Obama has setup a private meeting to talk to Romney about the economy, jobs, etc. in the next week or so. But, during the campaign Romney was an idiot, rich bastard, BAIN Capital sucked, OWS, hates children and small animals, lying sack of Shit, everything bad about America, etc.... What just happened here? Captain America got re-elected, but he has to ask the loser on how to fix it ????? Good job American people, Well Played !!!!!!

Posted by: Wall_E at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (48wze)

220 "You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"
1) JC
2) Einstein
3) Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (b+jI9)

221 The best part of Hogan's Heroes was the fact that it was almost all Jewish actors playing inept Nazis.

Klink, Schultz, Hochstaedter.

Was the 4th LeBeau, or Gen Burkhaldter?

Posted by: fluffy at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (4pSIn)

222 The best part of Hogan's Heroes was the fact that it was almost all Jewish actors playing inept Nazis.

Werner Klemperer served in the German army at the end of WWII. He was a teenager sitting in a tank, wondering if he'd die with the rest of his Volksgrenadier "volunteers".

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (GQ8sn)

223
This is just my experience though. YMMV.

Mine also, thoughI did have a pastor once who commented that the sins most preached about were the ones least likely to be committed.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (is6yP)

224 but why is edification/reinforcement of religious/social strictures/morality-play lessons a necessary component of entertainment?

Because fiction is how the left pushes its doctrine on the people who don't pay attention.

The left wants to define sex as a nihilistic quest for pleasure. This alone doesn't do that, but aggregate it with a few hundred shitty romantic comedies and dumb TV shows and people start to imagine that is reality.

The villain in almost every movie for the last forty years has been a "corporate guy." What do most people think of corporations?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (74T7W)

225 two and a half men had me at the theme song;

men men men men manly men men men

Posted by: andi sullivan at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (wwsoB)

226 I do sorta agree with his critics in that it's the height of douchebaggery to continue collecting $350k per episode after telling people not to watch it because it's filth.



Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 28, 2012 04:00 PM (SY2Kh)


Can't disagree here. What's worse, watching filth or making money of it? I'll be charitable and chalk it up to youthful foolishness and over-exuberance following conversion, which happens often (and then such people settle down while maturing in the faith).

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (6zgse)

227 psych is one of those shows that frankly jumped the
shark from episode one but then jumps back every third or fourth
episode. it has jumped the shark more and more lately.



It's also not even been on in like a year.



when was the last time psych was on? It's been a very long time.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:05 PM (LCRYB)

I think it's funny, but I simply can't find it believable, there is no chinatown in Santa Barbara!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (NzBQO)

228 Posted by: oblig. at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM

My new keyboard is in the mail, right?

Posted by: DC in Towson at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (P47hr)

229 Hogan's Heroes was fucking awesome! So was MASH. Neither was about sex. It can be done!


Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (GQ8sn)

Beverly Hillbillies.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (bb5+k)

230 The show is filth, and like everything else on broadcast TV, I do not watch it or allow my kids to watch it. If it weren't for ESPN, Animal Planet, History Channel, and a very few others, we'd never watch TV. If I didn't live with all guys (hub and sons, don't get naughty), we'd probably go with no TV at all. BUT WE MUST HAVE ESPN!!!

Posted by: Beckster at November 28, 2012 04:11 PM (VjJAc)

231 >>>There's a kind of laughing at human foible that recognizes
it as a non-optimal behavior, then there's the kind that amounts to
indulgence and seeks to normalize the foible. You seem to be
deliberately conflating the two. This is how we get...well, where we are
now, frankly.



Explain to me the difference. Explain to me how you tell the two apart.



Does it turn on whether there is a Morality Play element to the
plotline in which the transgressors are ultimately embarrassed or left
in failure or otherwise stung by their sins?



And if it's that, by the way, due note that almost every comedy does
this, even the sexual/"sin glorifying" ones. It is a general trope of
any short entertainment that any plan to deceive or take advantage will
wind up with the deceiver/advantage-taker winding up in a worse position
than he started. Even "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" does this,
all the time.


I'll take your word about IASIP, since I've never seen it.

I suppose it does turn on the moral element, yes. I have *not* noticed, on the few occasions when I've watched 2.5M, that Sheen's or Kutcher's character ended up with the kind of consequences their behavior would engender in real life. There is no lesson learned, no point at which bad behavior will be changed. Sleeping around is just wacky fun! If you don't sleep around there's something wrong with you! Sexual continence is for suckers. VD isn't real or serious. Ad nauseam, beamed into your house more or less gratis every week during prime time.

Boring. Your mileage obviously varies.

Posted by: Klawnet at November 28, 2012 04:12 PM (ePxxX)

232
That little gal on Modern Family just took her mother to court claiming physical and emotional abuse and asking for emancipation. She's only 14 y/o. On the show, she looks her age. If you see her in real life, she's wearing 6" stilletos and looks 21. She's very pretty but she shd look her age.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:12 PM (TYO2p)

233 With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?


Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

I forgot to mention that Corner Gas and Firefly are pretty darned good.... okay, Firefly has some sex in it, but at least that isn't the point of the show - That and it got cancelled which really sucked.... Yet another reason to still be pissed over the writers strike.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 04:12 PM (L4CWX)

234 "If MASH were produced today, it would be all about Hawkeye trying to get
laid and btw, once in a while you'd be reminded that the Korean War is
going on outside the tent."

==========

No way. If M*A*S*H were on today, it would be on HBO, and it would be all-politics, all-the-time, and those politics would be flagrantly pro-liberal to the point of tedious.

And it wouldn't just be pro-peace or anti-war or whatever the Hell it was back in the day, today it would simply be pro-Democrat, and anti-Republican, with a few criticisms lobbed at Democrats for not being liberal enough so that the showrunners could pretend they were being even-handed.

Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2012 04:12 PM (znT2j)

235 "You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"
1) JC
2) Einstein
3) Benjamin Franklin

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Pick three, huh? Christina Hendricks and I don't know about the other one.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (XUKZU)

236 Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 04:09 PM (wwsoB)

But... but... I'm a member of NO'MAAM! The National Organization of Mean Against Amazonian Mastery!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (lZBBB)

237 "Escapist Sin Denouncing."

Ace, sure. I get your point. I doubt any serious Catholic or Christian would call watching a show like Two and Half Men an occasion of serious sin. A scrupulous person might make an argument that it might be a case of venial sin. I think tcn's point is one that you have made yourself especially since the election in your analysis of how to win future elections. It's the culture. Shows like these score on funny, and you are a serious and smart enough person about serious things to just laugh at it and go on with your life. For the young and the stupid, these shows do actual damage.

Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (0PiQ4)

238 "You know that stupid question about If You Could Pick 3 People To Have Dinner With...?"
1) Jesus Christ
2) Thomas Jefferson
3) Dale Earnhardt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (3Y7RV)

239 >>>The Big Bang theory is fine as well, Sheldon comes from a deeply religious East Texas family that he mocks but he always runs back to his deeply religious mother who always knows what's best for him.

I like when Sheldon gets all Texan on them.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (TYO2p)

240 Now can we have a Thread on Dave's Christmas Tree - because I think his wife is being horribly unfair and we need to discuss that!

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (L4CWX)

241 but why is edification/reinforcement of religious/social strictures/morality-play lessons a necessary component of entertainment?

This isn't Sunday School.

Ace, are you familiar with the term "worldview?"
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (is6yP)



Winner, winner, chicken dinner.


The view is that everything, yes, every single solitary thing, that you do should be uplifting and honoring Christ. This includes not only your entertainment but cleaning your house, cooking meals, work, driving, every single thing that you do. Doing otherwise is an affront to God.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (VtjlW)

242 222
The best part of Hogan's Heroes was the fact that it was almost all Jewish actors playing inept Nazis.

Werner
Klemperer served in the German army at the end of WWII. He was a
teenager sitting in a tank, wondering if he'd die with the rest of his
Volksgrenadier "volunteers".


Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM

Born in Cologne to a musical family, Klemperer was the son of the renowned Jewish-born conductor Otto Klemperer (1885–1973) and Johanna Geisler (1888–1956)

The Klemperer family emigrated to the United States in 1935, settling in Los Angeles, where Otto Klemperer took up work as a conductor. Werner Klemperer began acting in high school and enrolled in acting courses at the Pasadena Playhouse[1] before joining the United States Army to serve in World War II.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Klemperer

Posted by: andi sullivan at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (wwsoB)

243 The best part of Hogan's Heroes was the fact that it was almost all Jewish actors playing inept Nazis.Klink, Schultz, Hochstaedter. Was the 4th LeBeau, or Gen Burkhaldter?
Posted by: fluffy

All of them were.

Posted by: Roy at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (VndSC)

244 "Psych" is coming back in February. Not sure why it's been off the air for so long this time.

Posted by: Kensington at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (znT2j)

245 Back in the 70s there were loads of hilarious sitcoms, and although a sex joke was thrown in here and there, it was in context and funny because of how it was placed.Mary Tyler Moore wasn't all sex all the time, that's what made jokes about Sue Ann's loose ways all that much funnier


----------------------------------------------------


I'll go back even further than that. Shows like "The Red Skelton Show" or George and Gracie Allen and others were packed with sexual innuendo. It just wasn't as in-your-face or succinct as it is now. But it was definitely there.

And my dad and mom, who were absolutely dedicated Christians, thought they were hilarious.

Posted by: Soona at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (WjPKH)

246 226 I do sorta agree with his critics in that it's the height of douchebaggery to continue collecting $350k per episode after telling people not to watch it because it's filth.

I liken it to trustafarians who got their wealth from capitalist relatives and support socialist causes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (74T7W)

247 Waiting to see "Taken 2" on dvd along with the newest Statham "Safe".
Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (iRgZG)

Safe was awesome.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at November 28, 2012 04:14 PM (vGtOG)

248 I guess a lot of people don't like this show. I've never watched it at all so I'll stipulate it sucks. If only there were some device that people who didn't like or were offended by it could avoid seeing it. I don't know how I've escaped the show's apparently unbreakable grasp on people.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 28, 2012 04:15 PM (x8U/s)

249 "Posted by: oblig. at November 28, 2012 04:06 PM (cePv"

you hit Twilight right in on. My sis in law is wild about that crap

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:15 PM (yAor6)

250 I'm glad you like Corner Gas, 2nd Amendment Mother. I hope you get some of the "in" Canadian jokes too. ;^)

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 04:16 PM (jPVBi)

251 ...and John Goodman as the Manatee.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 28, 2012 04:16 PM (EgUf8)

252 Yes, this show is pure filth. whatever happened to shows like "The Wonder Years"???

Off topic: I detected there are some Trailer Park Boys fans in the comments. Seriously. Best. Fucking. Show. Ever. for pure comedy. Still can't wait for new season of Archer.

Why do they wait so long to release the damn dvds. Sick of watching reruns on my laptop.

On topic:Marco Rubio-Tom Cotton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!

Suck it honkies.... lol.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 28, 2012 04:16 PM (tVTLU)

253 The Klemperer family emigrated to the United States in 1935, settling
in Los Angeles, where Otto Klemperer took up work as a conductor.
Werner Klemperer began acting in high school and enrolled in acting
courses at the Pasadena Playhouse[1] before joining the United States
Army to serve in World War II.


Whoa...how did I miss that one.

Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:16 PM (GQ8sn)

254 "Firefly has some sex in it, but at least that isn't the point of the show - That and it got cancelled which really sucked...."

no it was better for humanity that it did. now we just gotta add the big 3 CBS shows, Simpson, and Family Guy to the list. oh! and Futurama

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:17 PM (yAor6)

255 Werner Klemperer served in the German army at the end of WWII. He was a teenager sitting in a tank, wondering if he'd die with the rest of his Volksgrenadier "volunteers". Posted by: EC at November 28, 2012 04:10 PM (GQ8sn)

Not sure where you got that. He and his family came to the U.S. in 1935 and he served in the U.S. Army in WWII

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 04:17 PM (sbV1u)

256 I don't understand how people can watch this show, it's one juvenile sex joke after another.

Posted by: Village Idiot at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (gxHlY)

257 254:

Firefly was awesome. plain and simple.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (tVTLU)

258 @226. making money *off* it. FIFM. Gah.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (6zgse)

259 The kids pastor sounds a bit kooky. I would be more interested in the kids experiences in the industry that lead him to search for spiritual solace. Thats the story.

Posted by: thunderb at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (aCsVZ)

260 If StormFront had a channel preaching that certain races should be
viciously attacked and/or murdered, would you be content to just change
the channel, or would you take a moment to consider what sort of effect
this will have on you if your neighbors are watching this stuff


I would be perfectly content to just change the channel, just as I am now perfectly content to just not look at their website. You are aware that people go on the internets to get information now, right? You seem to think you possess some type of superior intellect that allows you to reject repellent information while your neighbors are slackjawed dullards, unable to make decisions for themselves. Maybe you should distribute leaflets to your neighbors with a list of television programming that you find useful to society. They would probably really appreciate you looking out for them.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (+lsX1)

261 John Derbyshire, formerly of National Review, right about some things, wrong about others, once wrote "pop culture is filth." That's stuck with me. Is he wrong?What do youcite to prove himwrong? Apart from whether it's entertaining, or artistic, doesn'tpretty much all of tv, movies, and music revel in the tawdry, the risque, the dirty side of life?

Posted by: Bud Norton at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (6cOMd)

262 Most of prime time TV sucks

I watch Big Bang Theory, Parks and Recreation, and Bluebloods


Other shows I like are 'hey let's fix up this old car and sell it', 'hey let's build a cafe racer from scratch', and 'hey let's see if there's any meteorites out in that field.'

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (8sCoq)

263 "Firefly was awesome. plain and simple."

God no. I dont understand why the morons are wild about that show. There's a reason it was canceled.

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:19 PM (yAor6)

264 Other shows I like are 'hey let's fix up this old car and sell it', 'hey let's build a cafe racer from scratch', and 'hey let's see if there's any meteorites out in that field.'

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Don't forget "Hey, we bought this shit in a storage auction, let's see what it's worth!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:19 PM (e0xKF)

265 I just learned that they canceled Miami Vice, Ace's favorite show. It started out with ratings of 16 mil went up to 19 mil and was a mere 10 mil when canceled. It's a tough business. I don't know what they replaced it with and whether the replacement garnered 10 mil viewers, but I suspect not.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:19 PM (TYO2p)

266 Whoa... how did I miss that one.
That's what Adolf said!

Posted by: michael scott at November 28, 2012 04:20 PM (jPVBi)

267 Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:19 PM (yAor6)

HERETIC! Burn HIM! Shun Him!

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 28, 2012 04:20 PM (lZBBB)

268
TV sucks anyways. I'll just stick to Bob Crane's Home Movies.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 28, 2012 04:20 PM (EgUf8)

269 248

cultural criticism is healthy

Posted by: JDP at November 28, 2012 04:21 PM (60GaT)

270 >>>>Firefly are pretty darned good.... okay, Firefly has some sex in it, but at least that isn't the point of the show - That and it got cancelled which really sucked....

I'm going to commit Nerd Heresy here and say that part of Firefly's modern mystique is due to the fact that it was cancelled. I don't think it would be as fondly remembered if it lasted 4 or 5 seasons.

Mostly because it was just 'Han Solo; the Series'.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 28, 2012 04:21 PM (sGU4F)

271 Watched Duck Dynasty for four straight hours over the weekend, I had never seen this show before, I was laughing my ass off.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 28, 2012 04:21 PM (NzBQO)

272 I hate all lawyer shows and doctor shows. Most cop shows suck. NCIS is ridiculous. If Navy and Marine personnel were actually being murdered at the rate they are on that show, it would be a national crisis.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 28, 2012 04:21 PM (8sCoq)

273 268
TV sucks anyways. I'll just stick to Bob Crane's Home Movies.

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I'm sending you the bill for a new monitor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (e0xKF)

274 This is probably just an example of a young man, he's 19, having some mental illness problems. That's about the time it starts for a lot of people. And he's so rich he can go pretty nuts before suffering severe consequences.

But he didn't seem any crazier than, say, Tom Cruise in those Scientology vids. So he's not crazy dangerous, just crazy, really into his new religious cult crazy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (ZPrif)

275
I was actually serious about the "worldview" question, as I suspect that Ace - and a number of other people on this blog - may not really be used to thinking of all of culture as an integral whole and religion as a way of understanding the world rather than limited to a set of rituals and dogmas. Ace has been sort of fumbling with the concept of politics as an outgrowth of worldview lately, but doesn't seem to have extended the idea beyond that.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (is6yP)

276
The view is that everything, yes, every single solitary thing, that you do should be uplifting and honoring Christ. This includes not only your entertainment but cleaning your house, cooking meals, work, driving, every single thing that you do. Doing otherwise is an affront to God.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 04:13 PM (VtjlW)

I disagree. We each have our own path and the way we chose to learn and understand morality. Mine is Christianity. I't's not tambourine whacking Christianity, it's just mine. I always thought the real key to it all was to allow others to find their own way. I teach my children or others in my life from example. They can take it or leave it. I know families that live like you describe. They are very happy and hugely successful. Those that can do it are rewarded handsomely, those that fake it are many times destroyed through their own lies and deceptions.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (3Y7RV)

277 Isn't most pop culture, no matter what century, filth? In Roman times they had all those guys with big dicks. The Canterbury Tales are very obscene. I suspect the Marquis de Sade and Casanova were popular for the same reasons: the majority of people love filth.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (TYO2p)

278 No space whores for you, El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (jPVBi)

279 I've watched 2 1/2 Men from time to time and have usually found it to be pretty funny. But then again, I still have a 12 year old's sense of humor, so consider the source.

I don't get Young's biting the hand that feeds him, unless he was just trying to play to his new religious buddies, but the savaging from the progressive left is tedious in its predictability.

Posted by: ericinva at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (eBxnE)

280 Firefly really isn't good. It was one of two scifi shows during the 2000s.

Scifi fans are starved.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (74T7W)

281 The guy whichever man or half He is will likely calm down. when you find religion sometimes itt can be a heady experience and you're full of fervor in the experience.

or find a balance.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (hX8cq)

282 That industry eats child actors

Posted by: thunderb at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (aCsVZ)

283 And by Young, of course, I mean Jones. Yeesh.

Posted by: ericinva at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (eBxnE)

284 Chuck also does Mike and Molly.

At the same time?

Posted by: Lame Sex Joke at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (5iuEW)

285 282 That industry eats child actors
Posted by: thunderb at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM (aCsVZ)

Yep.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (3Y7RV)

286 I'm going to commit Nerd Heresy here and say that part of Firefly's modern mystique is due to the fact that it was cancelled. I don't think it would be as fondly remembered if it lasted 4 or 5 seasons.

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I think of it as people falling in love with untapped potential.

If Star Trek had been given 4-5 proper seasons by NBC in the late 60s / early 70s, I don't think there would still be conventions for it today.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (e0xKF)

287 I think it was Bill Cosby who once said that if you had to do an act without using vulgarity and couldn't make anyone laugh, you didn't really have any comic talent

Posted by: kbdabear at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (wwsoB)

288 "Firefly was awesome. plain and simple."

God no. I dont understand why the morons are wild about that show.



See! See! It's not just me! Assume Whedon Rant 22 (the fire ants one) here.


Oh I have Opinions about The Big Bang Theory as well. Ask me what I think about them turning Penny into a raging alcoholic. I do love Bernadette though. That and it's hilarious watching them try to avoid showing that Mayim Bialik's rack is just as fabulous.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (VtjlW)

289 If Star Trek had been given 4-5 proper seasons by NBC in the late 60s / early 70s, I don't think there would still be conventions for it today.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (e0xKF)

Theres a lot to say about knowing when to walk away.

Posted by: Brett Favre at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (3Y7RV)

290 "I understand that is what some Christianity teaches. I also understand that it's impossible."

Ace:
No, it's not impossible. Extremely difficult for most, but not impossible. The Christian understanding of God is that he does not expect perfection because none of us were made that way. The point of life to go through it trying to conquer the worst in you, and most of us stumble and fall the whole way. My pastor summed it up best when he said that God is actually bi-partisan. He is conservative in what He demands of you, but liberal in His forgiveness. Anyway, enough Jesus talk. I have to go.

Posted by: L, elle at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (0PiQ4)

291 287 I think it was Bill Cosby who once said that if you had to do an act without using vulgarity and couldn't make anyone laugh, you didn't really have any comic talent

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"But I don't have any talent!"

Posted by: Chris Rock as Luther Campbell at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (e0xKF)

292 'hey let's fix up this old car and sell it',

I like the UK version the best, because of how they pronounce "carburetor".

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (B/VB5)

293 If they're really going for the filth, how about...

Two and a Half Men, One Cup

Posted by: Dr. Varno at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (EgUf8)

294 kbdabear, i love Cosby's parenthood albums.

Posted by: willow at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (hX8cq)

295 Also on Firefly; given Joss Wheddon's liberal tendencies, I don't think Capt. Mal would've stayed the libertarian hero for long.

Re-watch 'Heart of Gold' the worst episode of Firefly due to it's preachy condescension and anti-conservative messaging. That's what I think more seasons would've gotten us.

Posted by: El Kabong, RINOINO at November 28, 2012 04:25 PM (sGU4F)

296 Ace:
I've noted before that a lot of preachers will spend whole sermons
denouncing, for example, homosexuality, despite the fact that not 3% of
the population is homosexual and far less than that tiny percentage in
the congregation are homosexual. Meanwhile, the sins actually practiced
by most of the congregation -- sloth, lust, *pride*, greed, and so
forth -- are sort of given a "and watch out for these, too" treatment.


(arched eyebrows) Just how many sermons have you been listening to lately, you supposed atheist?

Posted by: Klawnet at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (ePxxX)

297 'Meanwhile, the sins actually practiced by most of the congregation -- sloth, lust, *pride*, greed, and so forth -- are sort of given a "and watch out for these, too" treatment.
Posted by: ace'

Ace, you weren't raised as a traditional Catholic with a Catholic School education provided by nuns, were you? Believe me, those old nuns didn't give short shrift to heterosexual sex sins. Lots of talk about the evils of impure thoughts and the evils of sex outside of marriage.

We actually had a nun teaching junior high tell girls they shouldn't wear sweaters because they show off the boobehs for the boys. And as they constantly reminded us, boys can't restrain themselves around boobehs, or underwear, or patent leather shoes which might reflect underwear, or short skirts, or the sight of a bra strap.

And there was no shortage of saint stories about female saints who were martyred for trying to preserve their virginity. Yup, it's better to get your head chopped off and die a virgin, than to marry a rich prince and lose your virginity.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (r3uU6)

298 I am no prude, I really really am not, but I am getting sick of the aggressive sexification of TV. I have a 15-year-old daughter and I feel like I can't watch anything with her anymore. Last nightwe sat down to watch the only comedy I like at all, "New Girl," and the entire show was about sex, and some of it was graphic. This show was actually funny when it was about a weird quirky girl who moves in with three loser guys who have hearts of gold. The comedy potential of that setup is endless. Now in only its second season, it's just another show about fucking. (And no, guys, it isn't Zooey Deschanel who is doing the fucking, so don't bother.)

I guess I am sticking to ESPN from now on.

Posted by: rockmom at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (NYnoe)

299 There's sex, and then there's SEX!!!

Berta hiring Charlie's handyman (played by Enrique inglesias) and making him hang a smoke alarm in an overheated apartment while she watches from behind? Sex (and funny)

Alan talking about his "lockjaw" after orally pleasuring his girlfriend? SEX!!! (and a cheap laugh)

Alan going nuts when he thinks that Charlie is after his girlfriend? Sex (and again, funny).

Repeated jokes, week after week, about Walden's "gigantic" penis? SEX!!! (and another cheap laugh).

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (OL4L4)

300 The most popular show on cable is The Walking Dead which is mainstreaming pretty extreme gore.

I also wonder how much further the sex jokes can go on TV. Watched some Family Guy recently. They made a bunch of abortion and gangbang jokes. And they constantly make pedo jokes. The wacky old man pedo is a recurring character for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (ZPrif)

301

nood hogan's heroes post up

Posted by: soothsayer at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (jUytm)

302 280
Firefly really isn't good. It was one of two scifi shows during the 2000s.



Scifi fans are starved.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:23 PM

Oh bugger they are !!!

Posted by: Dr Who at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (wwsoB)

303 I watched season one of Boardwalk Empires but got turned off by all the violence, gratuitous nudity and Hwd's new frontier to be breached: incest. I then went back and watched it and was better able to appreciate the dialogue. It's outstanding but still, I feel sorry for the actresses who must have to audition in the nude. And incest? Blech.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (TYO2p)

304
134
Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 03:45 PM (CM59X)


Did you totally dig "The Expendables"? I am soooo totally in love with both of those and I don't usually enjoy sequels as much as the original. Waiting to see "Taken 2" on dvd along with the newest Statham "Safe".

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 03:55 PM (iRgZG)

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Loved 'The Expendables', but haven't seen the sequel yet.
'Taken' was great.

I'm a huge fan of the SciFi action flicks...I even liked 'John Carter' and 'Battleship'.
The drug-dealer action flicks, not so much...unless the bad guys all get blown up.

[Sorry for the late reply, I had to go do stuff and just came back.]

Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (CM59X)

305 Wasn't LeBeau (actor) actually in a Nazi prison camp?

Posted by: USS Diversity at November 28, 2012 04:27 PM (9ghZ6)

306 >>>No, it's not impossible. Extremely difficult for most, but not impossible.

it's impossible by doctrinal definition, since no one is capable of being sin-free. If they were, they would not need Christ's intervention. But all sin, and ergo all need it, and hence the goal is actually unachievable.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:27 PM (LCRYB)

307 Cosby Show was/is awesome. If you really watch it, you'll notice it's just people sitting down talking. There's plots and all but there's no whacky save the days either. It's just people talking about regular shit

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:27 PM (yAor6)

308 I don't know about protestant churches, but Catholic Churches do a really good job of talking about sins other than homosexuality.

Also, regarding homosexual priests, according to the Catholic Church, there is nothing wrong with a priest being homosexual, as long as he doesn't engage in an act that breaks his vow of chastity.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:28 PM (r3uU6)

309 Re-watch 'Heart of Gold' the worst episode of Firefly due to it's preachy condescension and anti-conservative messaging. That's what I think more seasons would've gotten us.

The casual murder of the dad by the hooker mom while holding his infant son comes to mind.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:28 PM (74T7W)

310
With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?
Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

You could always do what Mel Brooks has done so successfully: take a moral evil (ie Naziism or Racism) and mercilessly lampoon the living shit out of it.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 04:28 PM (5TFvk)

311 Also on Firefly; given Joss Wheddon's liberal tendencies, I don't think Capt. Mal would've stayed the libertarian hero for long.

Joss actually has shown a pretty good ability to keep his politics out of characters' mouths. Not everyone working for him has that ability of course (so episodes vary). And don't forget that Firefly was co-created by Tim Minear, who once admitted he lurks here at this very HQ.

And regarding "Han Solo: The Series"? I'd totally watch that if Lucas wasn't involved.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 04:29 PM (B/VB5)

312 Funniest character on TV in the last 50 years?
Barney Fife.

Posted by: kevlarchick at November 28, 2012 04:29 PM (+dlqq)

313
Haven't watched a sit-com since Seinfeld. The last original TV writing IMO.

Last
original TV writing? Not even close: It's Always Sunny, The League,
South Park, Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Archer, Justified, etc.
There's probably never been more original writing on TV than there is
right now.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:04 PM (+lsX1)

**Your right...I meant to say as writing pertains to sit-coms only. Should have made myself clearer. I'm a huge Boardwalk Empire and Sparticus fan.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 28, 2012 04:29 PM (jvd3N)

314 I was raised Catholic and really can't remember any sermons about homosexuality -- or any sexuality really. They mostly seemed to be about the importance of, uh, being nice to people and, uh, helping people who were sick and stuff. And thanking God and Jesus.

If they'd been about sex I probably wouldn't have had so much trouble staying awake.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 04:29 PM (ZPrif)

315 My two favorite scifi shows in the past x number of years.

1) Firefly. Are you people shitting me. With that cast it was very very very good.

2) Battlestar Galactica. Seasons 1-3. At the end it sucked pretty hard. But man did it start with a bang.

Most crazy ending/not making sense/infuriating:
Lost.

They have fucking manuals, rooms of them, and they don't even bother to read the shit to figure out what the f is going on on the island??????????

Runner-Up: Revolution.

How fucking stupid is this. First, you can find a gun in every other home and yet they are using stupid swords. Is this America or the fucking UK we are in. Second, has no one ever heard of a gas fucking generator.

Third, they removed the Cubs as 2012 World Series Champions in their graphics, and for that I cannot forgive.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 28, 2012 04:29 PM (tVTLU)

316 And I don't look at South Park as a sitcom.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 28, 2012 04:30 PM (jvd3N)

317 I would be perfectly content to just change the
channel, just as I am now perfectly content to just not look at their
website. You are aware that people go on the internets to get
information now, right? You seem to think you possess some type of
superior intellect that allows you to reject repellent information while
your neighbors are slackjawed dullards, unable to make decisions for
themselves. Maybe you should distribute leaflets to your neighbors with a
list of television programming that you find useful to society. They
would probably really appreciate you looking out for them.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:18 PM (+lsX1)

You make light of the analogy, but something very similar happened in Germany. It wasn't funny. People died because of propaganda disguised as entertainment and education, and it is going to happen again. You just aren't seeing the big picture. Your intellectual response is to turn the discussion into a pissing contest. Obviously there are slackjawed dullards among us.
You want to debate me? Pick a site. I favor Free Republic and Talk Polywell.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:30 PM (bb5+k)

318 Oh bugger they are !!!
Posted by: Dr Who at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (wwsoB)


Let's be honest, a lot of Dr. Who episodes are really, really stupid.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:31 PM (74T7W)

319 Last
original TV writing? Not even close: It's Always Sunny, The League,
South Park, Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Archer, Justified, etc.
There's probably never been more original writing on TV than there is
right now.

---

Sons Of Anarchy was good in the first season.

It caught a giant case of "What the fuck?!?" starting in the second season.

I'm far more inclined to agree with you about Archer and South Park, which are personal favorites.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:31 PM (e0xKF)

320 And regarding "Han Solo: The Series"? I'd totally watch that if Lucas wasn't involved.

---

We're far more likely to get "Hope Solo: The Series".

I'm waiting for Sweeps Week, when new hubby Jerramy Stevens beats the shit out of her then goes to jail on a probation violation.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:32 PM (e0xKF)

321 This is probably just an example of a young man, he's 19, having some mental illness problems. That's about the time it starts for a lot of people. And he's so rich he can go pretty nuts before suffering severe consequences. But he didn't seem any crazier than, say, Tom Cruise in those Scientology vids. So he's not crazy dangerous, just crazy, really into his new religious cult crazy.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (ZPrif)


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He's 19. Isn't that about the time many young people get the revolutionary ferver and start trying to strike out against established ideas(his actions could be the beginning of a good thing). It happened to me in the 60's except I was on the "wrong side". I loved my country.

Everyone that I've ever known goes through this period. As a matter of fact, I'm going through a bit of the revolutionary spirit myself when considering the direction this country is going. I'd like to see, at least, partial secession of the states. And don't try to convince me otherwise.

Posted by: Soona at November 28, 2012 04:33 PM (WjPKH)

322 I was actually serious about the "worldview" question, as I suspect that
Ace - and a number of other people on this blog - may not really be
used to thinking of all of culture as an integral whole and religion as a
way of understanding the world rather than limited to a set of rituals
and dogmas. Ace has been sort of fumbling with the concept of politics
as an outgrowth of worldview lately, but doesn't seem to have extended
the idea beyond that.

It isn't the worldview so much as how literal and simplistic it is that's kind of disturbing to me. Take a show like "Californication," which is as depraved as it gets and a Christian worldview would obsess about that, whereas anyone with a hint of sophistication and a sense of humor would grasp that Hank Moody is a self-destructive idiot who has the right values at his core. It's a sex and drugs fueled family values show!

Posted by: Abe Froman at November 28, 2012 04:33 PM (E55AK)

323 two words: Venture Brothers. awesome!

Posted by: El Patron AuthorLMendez; For AOSHQ Governor at November 28, 2012 04:33 PM (yAor6)

324 Best scifi book to make a movie out of:

Ender's Game
Orson Scott Card

Still one of the best scifi books. Ever.

Posted by: Prescient11 at November 28, 2012 04:33 PM (tVTLU)

325 Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (r3uU6)
__
To be fair, some of those who died virgins did so in an act of attempted rape (Maria Goretti), or to avoid the attentions of an incestuous father (St. Dymphna). St. Agnes was all of twelve years old when she rebuffed the advances of a Roman nobleman's son and suffered death as a result.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 04:34 PM (jm/9g)

326 So ---- regarding Andy's thread on "how to get banned"..... I'm fairly sure Firefly hatred is on there.... I saw it, I know I did!

andycanuck: the person in our house who's most hooked on Corner Gas - my 17 year old son, who is a popular jock at school and dedicated sci-fi, math, science, computer and welding nerd at home and hanging out with his "real" friends who are into 4-H and Shooting Sports. It was probably caused by his misguided parents raising him on a steady diet of Star Trek (all varieties), Bab 5, Stargate, and Farscape.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 04:34 PM (L4CWX)

327 Ace:
I understand your argument about escapism and how there has always been cutting insults or foibles laughed at on television, but it’s all a question of degree. Over time, our entertainment has been getting coarser.
We laughed at Rob Petrie tripping over the ottoman on the Dick Van Dyke show and now we’re laughing at people falling and getting really hurt. I’ve been watching the Simpsons with the kids lately and get weirded out by how violent some of the jokes can be (like laughing as the mob snitch is being drowned).
Just like you personally observed about pr0n, it can have a negative effect on people.

Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 04:34 PM (90w0O)

328 the majority of people love filth.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 04:22 PM (TYO2p)

If that were true, it would have always been the majority entertainment. It has only gradually moved in that direction nowadays thanks to the influence of those who entertain and mis-inform us.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:35 PM (bb5+k)

329 I really like Archer and The League. Their sex jokes are just as "filthy" as any on TAAHM, but those shows are on at 10PM.

TAAHM is on CBS at 7:30PM Central Standard Time.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 28, 2012 04:35 PM (OL4L4)

330 You just aren't seeing the big picture. Your intellectual response is to
turn the discussion into a pissing contest. Obviously there are
slackjawed dullards among us.


Thankfully the dullards have heroes like you on the lookout for humor that is not sufficiently useful to society. Sadly, they'll never know how much you've sacrificed.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:36 PM (+lsX1)

331
Posted by: wheatie at November 28, 2012 04:26 PM (CM59X

I actually liked Battleship also. I did not however like the main character. That character just annoyed the shit out of me and I kept hoping he would get blown up and let the Japanese guy take over.
Expendables 2.. AWESOME. The Average Explosions/Bad guys getting dead per minute is like eleventy million. And they cranked up the fun factor with Norris, Ahnold, and Willis. And seriously, Van Damme makes a helluva bad guy.

Posted by: MadameMayhem at November 28, 2012 04:36 PM (iRgZG)

332 Pro-jec-tion. It's what Libs call "critical reasoning".

The Tea Party MUST be astroturf because all of their grassroots movements are astroturf.
The Racial Dog Whistles that only liberals can hear (somehow missing the whole entire dog whistle concept).
Raging against the the greedy, venal 1% while demanding more free stuff.
"White Hispanic"
These are the same people that believed Ted Kennedy when he said he (or any Kennedy, Rockefeller, Clinton, Cuomo) was going to stick it to those rich bastards.
These are the people who can't fathom how lowering taxes INCREASES tax revenue.

I despise them all, deeply and for excellent reasons.

Posted by: CozMark at November 28, 2012 04:37 PM (gYPAF)

333 Ifind Ilike the idea of Firefly better than the actual shows. Incidentally,I alwayswonder if there isn'ta bit of a social-conservative sub-text to Inara's profession - everyone talks as if they think prostitution is a normal occupation, but act as if there is something wrong. Mal in particular is pretty uncomfortable with it (and she is pretty touchy about being referred to as "whore" - why?), and the fact that her profession involves sleeping with strangers for money is a big barrier towards having a normal relationship between them seems like a subtle way to suggest that something is wrong.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:37 PM (is6yP)

334
There's a third way of dealing with hate: embrace it. That is the Sith way. If you're going to hate, you may as well enjoy it.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 28, 2012 04:37 PM (1hM1d)

335 "239 >>>The Big Bang theory is fine as well, Sheldon comes from a deeply religious East Texas family that he mocks but he always runs back to his deeply religious mother who always knows what's best for him. "

The mother is also portrayed as smart enough to outsmart the geniuses.

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 28, 2012 04:37 PM (r3uU6)

336 I alwayswonder if there isn'ta bit of a social-conservative sub-text to Inara's profession - everyone talks as if they think prostitution is a normal occupation, but act as if there is something wrong.

I don't know that it's that so much as "most guys don't like high-mileage women", which figured large in several Kevin Smith movies.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 04:40 PM (B/VB5)

337 FWIW, I attended a mainline Protestant Church for 30 years and never heard sex mentioned. Ever. Homosexuality, abortion, sex before marriage, contraceptives, and adulterywere never discussed from the pulpit.
I've gone toa more conservative church in the past five and have heard them mentioned maybe once a year.

Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 04:40 PM (90w0O)

338 As a parent, I would FAR rather my kids (over 12 yrs old) watch Seinfeld than Friends. Both have plenty of sexual content, but the ethos is very different.
Seinfeld shows us what it's like for putative grown-ups to be perpetually (and voluntarily) trapped in a shallow, high-schoolish mentality. It's hilarious, but it ain't pretty. Friends, OTOH, sentimentalizes and glorifies sexual license and perpetual adolescence.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 28, 2012 04:40 PM (C8mVl)

339 Thankfully the dullards have heroes like you on the lookout for humor that is not sufficiently useful to society. Sadly, they'll never know how much you've sacrificed.

You do realize the left actively engages in judging media by its value to the Cause, right?

Liberal writers put their messages in TV and movies. And that's partly why Republicans and conservatives have such a super-negative image.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:41 PM (IS2o0)

340 Angus Jones, blahblahblah. Can't we just agree that some people should kill themselves?

BTW, if I win the $500 million Powerball, I'm going to buy "Dragon voice recognition software" and hire an attorney that finds some legal way for me to chain its entire marketing staff in an underground dungeon until armageddon. I've had it with the neverending "I can't type because i'm an idiot so I just work my piehole and presto!" ad-babble.

Posted by: General Zod at November 28, 2012 04:42 PM (2+bRt)

341 Yes, 2nd Amendment Mother, the writer and actor, Brent Butt, is a sci-fi etc. nerd too so that probably helped hook your son.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 04:43 PM (jPVBi)

342 It caught a giant case of "What the fuck?!?" starting in the second season.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 28, 2012 04:31 PM (e0xKF)

When they killed Half Sack, they killed my interest.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at November 28, 2012 04:43 PM (vGtOG)

343
I was the worst actor in my show too.

Posted by: Ray Romano at November 28, 2012 04:44 PM (wIgpo)

344 What the hell are u babbling about ACE? Just show some more Milani pics a STFU.

Posted by: flyonthewall at November 28, 2012 04:44 PM (aZ7lL)

345
Thankfully the dullards have heroes like you on
the lookout for humor that is not sufficiently useful to society. Sadly,
they'll never know how much you've sacrificed.


Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 28, 2012 04:36 PM (+lsX1)

I'm not addressing "humor that is not sufficiently useful to society", I'm addressing the efforts of our political enemies to normalize debauchery and thereby anesthetize the American public from the waxing of it in real life.

That propaganda is sometimes disguised as humor is irrelevant to the point.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:45 PM (bb5+k)

346 Liberal writers put their messages in TV and movies.
And that's partly why Republicans and conservatives have such a
super-negative image.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 28, 2012 04:41 PM (IS2o0)

Gosh - and I thought those plans for paying Hollywood to write in positive story lines about Obamacare was just "Crazy Talk" (Yes, I'm very guilty of that being my favorite line in any Simpson's episod.)

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 28, 2012 04:45 PM (L4CWX)

347 #339 - "Seinfeld shows us what it's like for putative grown-ups to be perpetually (and voluntarily) trapped in a shallow, high-schoolish mentality. It's hilarious, but it ain't pretty. "

"It's Always Sunny" is "Seinfeld" on steroids.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 28, 2012 04:46 PM (OL4L4)

348 I've been giving sermons for over 15 years. I never gave a sermon on homosexuality in that entire time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 04:48 PM (v8RoL)

349 >>>You make light of the analogy, but something very similar happened in Germany. It wasn't funny. People died because of propaganda disguised as entertainment and education, and it is going to happen again. You just aren't seeing the big picture.

Let's remember the Nazis campaigned *AGAINST* the licentious filth of popular culture (largely created by Jews to corrupt the Aryans) and Negro Jazz and all that.

And you know what Hilter's goal was, entertainment-wise? Opera, Wagner, and "The Merry Widow," all day long.

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:51 PM (LCRYB)

350 I don't know that it's that so much as "most guys don't like high-mileage women", which figured large in several Kevin Smith movies.Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 04:40 PM (B/VB5)Maybe, but Mal and Inara are obviously meant to be attracted to each other. Mal doesn't despise Inara herself, he likes her, but cannot court her properly and so insults her constantly in frustration. I think that Whelon was arguing for legalized prostitution, but the natural arc of the story seems to be arguing against it.

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 28, 2012 04:52 PM (is6yP)

351 FWIW, I attended a mainline Protestant Church for 30
years and never heard sex mentioned. Ever. Homosexuality, abortion, sex
before marriage, contraceptives, and adulterywere never discussed from
the pulpit.

I've gone toa more conservative church in the past five and have heard them mentioned maybe once a year.

Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 04:40 PM (90w0O)

I think Ace is just accepting the MSM and the Social elite's propaganda on this. It is of the same variety that "Flyover country" is occupied by ignorant hicks incestuizing their sisters etc.
I have been to churches where homosexuality was mentioned many times during the year, but it was during the time when AIDS was in the ascendency and groups like "queer nation" and "Nambla" were waxing and making headlines.

Homosexuality is of serious concern to many church going people. They perceive it as a threat to children from molestation, and a danger from the rampant occurrence of deadly sexual diseases in that are rife in that community. (Mostly Male Homosexuals.)

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 04:53 PM (bb5+k)

352 Well, Hollywood and the sports industry really aren't useful to society as anything exceptdistractions. They produce nothing tangible. I'm not being a stick in the mud, I'm as much a movie, music and sports fan as anyone here. But Tom Hanks' Oscars or A-Rod's home run recordswon't buy anyone a minute more of existance.This is why I'm of the opinion that since many, if not most, people in these industries are lefties, they should be the first to get their taxes raised since they make their fortunes from creating nothing of tangible value.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 28, 2012 04:54 PM (YmPwQ)

353 Wait, isn't this the same blog that has been going on and on about how culture matters? Why do you think free contraception resonates so much, ace? It's because the most sexually active among us have grown up being constantly told that the hook-up culture is the norm.

The majority of black kids today are born out of wedlock, and I'm supposed to believe it's just coincidence that the music most post-pubescent black people listen to has sex (and money, and power) as its three core themes? The same thing is happening as this trend invades more traditionally white music. Even mainstream country music is more and more open about hooking up, having sex one last time with someone you intend to leave, and all the rest of it.

The fact of the matter is that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to jack off to the oversexualized, commercialized false reality created for you by people who don't share your political beliefs in the slightest, yet you want to change the culture. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way, and it's not a winning political strategy, never mind morality.

Look at the Soviets' strategy for hypersexualizing their youth, and then using that hypersexualization to destroy the family unit, which they rightly saw as one of the main obstacles to collectivization. You're still playing their game.

Bibliography, for you or anyone else who's interested:

Art and Soul, Brand and Chaplin
Imagine, Turner
Hollywood Worldviews, Godawa
Anything written by Hans Rookmaaker

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:01 PM (346rt)

354
Let's remember the Nazis campaigned *AGAINST*
the licentious filth of popular culture (largely created by Jews to
corrupt the Aryans) and Negro Jazz and all that.





My point is that propaganda is turned to suit the purpose of those seeking the power to kill others. The Nazis used this propaganda because they saw it as working on their audience. The Jews etc were the intended targets. In this nation the intended targets are the Christians. The propaganda is designed to stir the audience against the targets.



The Socialists have no problems playing either side of a propaganda weapon.






And you know what Hilter's goal was, entertainment-wise? Opera, Wagner, and "The Merry Widow," all day long.





Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 04:51 PM (LCRYB)


Hitler wasn't around long enough to compare to Hollywood. . Towards the end, that creepy Occult Pseudo-Norse Mythology stuff was coming out. And for what it's worth, I will point out that you ought to look up more information on the sexual proclivities of the Nazis, especially the SS and the Camp Administration.


"Astute Bloggers" had a really good article regarding this a few weeks back.






Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 05:06 PM (bb5+k)

355 >>>When they killed Half Sack, they killed my interest.
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian

They had to kill him. Sutter inferred he was trouble on the set and of course he was trouble in real life, too.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 05:09 PM (TYO2p)

356 Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:01 PM (346rt)


There *IS* a culture war going on.



I will point out that Adam Smith and Edmund Burke were not only contemporaries but good friends, and their ideas dovetail synergistically by design.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 05:10 PM (bb5+k)

357 Ace:
Hitler’s goal was to convince the German people that they were a superior and nobler race than the others. Just because his ultimate ends were evil doesn’t mean that the means he used- promotion of traditional cultural- were inherently evil also.
What we’re saying is that the culture itself is getting coarser, which will have future bad effects.
Right now, one of the goals of the American left is to free the individual from, in their view, the artifical restraints on personal sexuality. Some may agree with this as a positive end, but we're objecting to the means- the increasing hypersexualization of the culture so that you can't even shield your ten year old from it.

Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 05:10 PM (90w0O)

358 358-Well said. nft

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 05:14 PM (v8RoL)

359 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 05:10 PM (bb5+k)

That's an excellent point. Too many conservatives are winging it when it comes to political philosophy. I realize we're all amateurs here, myself included, but instead of spending all our time chasing Gawker around, maybe we could formulate some better arguments by ruminating on the very good source material we've got in our heritage. It doesn't have to be so academic that it loses its practicality, but being a little systematic in our approach (similar to systematic theology) isn't going to turn many people off.

Besides, compared to Burke, Marx is a toddler with crayons. We have the advantage, if we're willing to use it.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:15 PM (346rt)

360 Posted by: Matt at November 28, 2012 05:10 PM (90w0O)


The way things are going, the time may come when it will be ILLEGAL to prevent your children from engaging in some sort of communal sex. If I recall properly, this was the accepted social standard in Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as in the City of Benjamin, which was also destroyed.


The bible is often a History book, and it is useful in recognizing a repeating piece of history.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at November 28, 2012 05:15 PM (bb5+k)

361 And Soviet modernist 'art' was ugly on purpose to destroy bourgeois values.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2012 05:19 PM (jPVBi)

362
"Let's remember the Nazis campaigned *AGAINST* the licentious filth of popular culture (largely created by Jews to corrupt the Aryans) and Negro Jazz and all that."

Ace, the popular culture of the Weimar era WAS filthy and licentious. When a culture goes too far in that direction, Nazi-style reaction is what comes after. As DiogenesLamp says, tying the Jews to that cart was a convenient way of way of focussing public disgust on their preferred enemies, but the disgust was real, as was the complaint. I don't know why the homosexual activists don't see this, but I guess they just don't know history. They seem to act as if today's victories are the first time in history their side has been "liberated", but 1920s Germany was a pervert's paradise. It ended disastrously, and today's sewer culture is going to end disastrously too.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at November 28, 2012 05:23 PM (FkH4y)

363 I just viewed a little over a half of Angus' testimony - (it's in two parts). Around 8:00 of Part I is where he describes his moment of personal revelation. At the beginning of Part II he tells how he found his spiritual home in a Black faith community. I didn't go all the way to the end, but from the intro on Part I, it sounds like Seventh Day Adventist. That would explain the proscription on anything involving or alluding toextramarital sex.

I feel for the kid, it sounds like he's truly a seeker, he's definitely going to take his lumps over his public testimony.

Posted by: kallisto at November 28, 2012 05:23 PM (jm/9g)

364 To ace's point about Hitlerian high culture, it really needs to be pointed out that Hitler had two streams of political speech. The first was the public stream, and it was highly traditionalist, patriotic, post-Enlightenment Continental philosophy, and even Christian. This is the source for all those quotes lefties love to use to bolster their claims that Hitler was a Christian.

The second stream was more private, internal communications, personal writings, and so forth. It was far more earthy, debauched, and possessed of an almost neo-pagan ethic infused by the darker Darwinian/Nietzschiean themes we think of as his real political philosophy.

The explanation for these two divergent modes of communication is simple: like all leftists, Hitler sought to gain control of the population by means of hollowing out their institutions--the media, the academy, and particularly the Church--and replacing their content with his own. The form stays the same, but the function is completely different.

That's why you see the ecclesiastical response of Bonhoeffer and the Confessing Church. They recognized the fact that Hitler had no allegiance to the theological content of the Church. He just wanted to appropriate its authority and symbols for his own messages.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:26 PM (346rt)

365 Ace, dwells in darkness without Him, thus he doesn't get it.

Posted by: It WILL Burn at November 28, 2012 05:28 PM (nw6o9)

366 We need to "finish the sentence."

Ed Gillespie drove my state's governor to victory (Virginia; McDonnell) by doing just that. He realized that contemporary political reality is such that the benefits of low taxes must be explained to QED. We take that as an article of faith; over half the electorate doesn't. Gillespie insisted that McDonnell's campaign explain in crayon and fingerpaint how "low taxes = more big-box prole-feed," and people got the message. Result? Popular conservative governor.

Republicans routinely fail to explain how their policies will help down to the last carry-the-one detail, and regrettably, that kind of handholding is now necessary.

Posted by: General Zod at November 28, 2012 05:29 PM (2+bRt)

367 Years ago, I saw a report on a Philly news show bout people who had spray painted a baby, and passed him round to sniff to get high. I think of it every once in a while. Just thought bout it again after thinking bout modern culture.

Posted by: Baldy at November 28, 2012 05:30 PM (opS9C)

368 Very fine post, Ummberto. Best summing up of the dichotomy I've seen. Liberals are very simplistic in how they regard Hitler and of course a number of them yammer in endlessly about what a "Christian" he was.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 05:31 PM (v8RoL)

369 FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 05:31 PM (v8RoL)


Thanks mang. What sort of church do you pastor?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:33 PM (346rt)

370 I'd rather not say for privacy reasons, but I will say I have a great interest in Bonhoeffer (I just re-read "The Cost of Discipleship") and an excellent biography of him by Eric Metaxas. Not only finely researched but quite uplifting.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 05:38 PM (v8RoL)

371 No worries. I'll post this and say good night.


New Year 1945

With every power for good to stay and guide me,
comforted and inspired beyond all fear,
I’ll live these days with you in thought beside me,
and pass, with you, into the coming year.

The old year still torments our hearts, unhastening:
the long days of our sorrow still endure.
Father, grant to the soul Thou hast been chastening
that Thou hast promised the healing and the cure.

Should it be ours to drain the cup of grieving
even to the dregs of pain, at Thy command,
we will not falter, thankfully receiving
all that is given by Thy loving hand.

But, should it be Thy will once more to release us
to life’s enjoyment and its good sunshine,
that we’ve learned from sorrow shall increase us
and all our life be dedicate as Thine.

Today, let candles shed their radiant greeting:
lo, on our darkness are they not Thy light,
leading us haply to our longed-for meeting?
Thou canst illumine e’en our darkest night.

When now the silence deepens for our harkening,
grant we may hear Thy children’s voices raise
from all the unseen world around us darkening
their universal paean, in Thy praise.

While all the powers of good aid and attend us,
boldly we’ll face the future, be it what may.
At even, and at morn, God will befriend us,
and oh, most surely on each new year’s day

- written in the Gestapo prison, Berlin, by Rev. Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 28, 2012 05:44 PM (346rt)

372 Thanks, Ummberto. Good night and God bless.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 28, 2012 05:45 PM (v8RoL)

373 "All that said, I do not really understand this notion among Christians
(or among many of the godly) that laughing at a human foible, or
laughing at bad behavior, is something akin to taking delight in that
foible, or engaging in that bad behavior oneself."

Well, they're wrong. ' At the beginning of The Screwtape Letters, C. S. Lewis cites two quotations. The first is from Martin Luther: "The best way to drive out the devil….is to jeer and flout him, for he cannot bear scorn." The second comes from St. Thomas More: "The devil … the proud spirit cannot endure to be mocked." '

What I think is happening is that many Christians do feel they are more and more outcasts, and are understandably defensive, and more militant, than they would otherwise be. Look at the Canterbury Tales, written in a society which was drenched in
Christianity, to which there was no alternative. Chaucer could write the Miller's Tale in a world where Christianity was secure. Today, everything looks like an attack to some. And often, it is an attack.

Plus,of course, you have to take into account individual temper. The loud ones always get heard.

Posted by: George LeS at November 28, 2012 05:58 PM (C4s3i)

374 Never saw a single episode. Sounds like I've not missed much...

Posted by: @PurpAv at November 28, 2012 06:25 PM (Anjf+)

375 The show was okay-funny the first couple years, but like most show do it eventually got stale. In any case, I always got more laughs from the mom than any of the male characters.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2012 07:03 PM (gBuIk)

376 14 >>>This is the usual--it's one thing to laugh at base, crass human behavior, but quite another to rise above it. These shows depict, either on purpose or accidentally, crass behavior as the norm, and anyone who objects to the objectifying, cheapening, coarsening of societal mores must be just a prude.

With all due respect, what would you write a comedy about, then? A comedy about human virtues?

Posted by: ace at November 28, 2012 03:30 PM (LCRYB)

--Even none other than C.S. Lewis wrote that it's cool to joke about sex.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2012 07:14 PM (gBuIk)

377 I myself think bathroom humor is funnier than bedroom humor. Then again, I still quote Beavis and Butt-Head. YMMV.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2012 07:16 PM (gBuIk)

378 If he wants people to shun the show, all he had to do was to come out against gay marriage.

Posted by: Walknot at November 28, 2012 07:39 PM (cey9b)

379 143 The Office has sadly sharkjumped but in it's prime was as funny as a TV show can be.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!!!!! at November 28, 2012 03:56 PM (KXm42)

--Parks and Rec is still good, although Leslie and Ben getting married (or maybe even just engaged) will probably be the shark-jump in retrospect.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2012 07:43 PM (gBuIk)

380 Late to the party but I love Vengeance/Omnicompetence fantasies and I HATE TWILIGHT!

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 28, 2012 07:44 PM (DoZD+)

381
George LeS, it's very common for a new convert to react this way to sin and the world around him. Probably, if Austin sticks with it, he will mellow out a bit in a few years, after he has worked through the world and how to react to it as a Christian. There are many levels of "tolerance", maturity and levels of spiritual development in Christians. I've been a Christian since 1980 and a preacher's wife since 1984, am predictably surrounded by Christians constantly and find most of them are pretty non judgemental and low-key about these things.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at November 28, 2012 07:57 PM (DoZD+)

382 At this point I am *totally* willing to put members of the media against the (real) wall.


Posted by: GMan at November 28, 2012 08:50 PM (UkbKS)

383 Wait, Charlie isn't on 2 n 1/2 men? Oh well, not like I've missed anything accourding to previous commenters.

Posted by: Gmac at November 28, 2012 09:00 PM (IanLz)

384 "Or, the route that I see most benighted "progressives" going…"

Actually, there is a third path. It is where they decide that it is okay for an enlightened, tolerant person to hate in a particular case because from a supposedly objective standpoint the people who they hate are so manifestly vile.

BTW did anyone catch the actor's mom saying she felt the Christian group he joined up with is exploiting him?

And we all know how much Hollywood and Hollywood parents hate exploiting kids.

Posted by: Glen at November 28, 2012 09:53 PM (K1CbB)

385 Re: 377

Right, and in Lewis' "That Hideous Strength" he addressed the idea of hangups about sex with very reasonable advice that can be boiled down to "Hey, its perfectly natural to have sex, so as long as you're doing it within marriage, lighten up and enjoy it."

Posted by: Glen at November 28, 2012 10:00 PM (K1CbB)

386 the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. but, you could also say the mouth speaks what the head is full of. when you fill your head with what comes from hollywood, that's what comes back out. I don't watch tv, and I begrudgingly watch movies when my family bothers me enough. my life is better for it.

btw...I'm pretty sure the #1 way you described to overcome hatred is what Christians attempt to do on a daily basis.

And as to this poor fellow, to faith add virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control godliness, to godliness brotherly love, to brotherly love kindness. It seems this fellow is reconciling himself with virtue. it's just not always a good idea to talk about it on a soapbox until you've gotten to love.


Posted by: h-unit at November 28, 2012 10:02 PM (lhR1g)

387 Seen a couple episodes. It's bad.

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