Top Headline Comments 11-28-12

Happy Wednesday.

Huh. Gennifer Flowers claims Bill Clinton called her for a get together in 2005.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:59 AM



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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Wednesday, November 28, 2012. On this day in 1942 492 people died in the Coconut Grove nightclub fire in Boston. Of course a whole new host of fire regulations sprung up because the existing regulations were inadequate because they had not been enforced. All those fire codes that sprang out of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in NYC in 1911 proved to be worthless. Regulations exist to be used as punishment and to create jobs for people who deal in paper.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

2 US will not label China as a currency manipulator. Why? Because the US is one as well.

http://is.gd/neDUNP

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

3 DOJ lawyers will meet with the House FnF investigators to let them know which documents they will release. We already know Holder committed perjury. What more do they want?

http://is.gd/xz0xJr

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

4 Laura Ingram signing off, for now.

http://is.gd/wS0htE

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

5 What was a big hit on Black Friday for sales? Guns.

http://is.gd/i7hN6Z

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

6 Two outgoing RINOs introduce new DREAM act bullshit because they don’t worry about being reelected.

The bill, introduced by retiring border-state Sens. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), would allow undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children to stay in the country without an expedited pathway to citizenship.


http://is.gd/Mc18Lz

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)

7 Speaking of RINOs, McShitty and Gramanasty not happy after meeting with Rice.

http://is.gd/OwGl8U

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

8 Transgender child loses fight to use girls bathroom.

http://is.gd/OwGl8U

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

9 NC college students can not sell Christmas Trees for charity. They must sell “Holiday Trees”.

http://is.gd/cET4G4

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)

10 Boner gets one as naked protestors invade his office.

http://is.gd/HqXPIv

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

11 Reid still does not have the votes to end the filibuster but claims support is growing (among Democrats).

http://is.gd/JeXGPd

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

12 Animal who squashed puppy with concrete block gets 4 months in jail. I say they should have squashed him with a concrete block.

http://is.gd/PlopAO

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

13 Conservatives support sugar subsidies??? No, but they do support sugar tariffs. Which is why all the candy makers that used to be in my county are gone to Mexico now.

http://is.gd/japUqZ

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:02 AM (YdQQY)

14 WaEx compares Reid’s attack on the filibuster to 2005. Can you say hypocrite?

http://is.gd/wk09HF

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:03 AM (YdQQY)

15 Another phony conservative cockroach crawls out of the baseboard and calls for a tax increase.

http://is.gd/YmPK7p

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:03 AM (YdQQY)

16 Kindle Daily Deal:


Devil's Bride


When the infamous Devil Cynster is caught with plucky governess Honoria Wetherby, he astonishes the entire town by proposing. But Honoria isn't about to bend to society's will and marry. She craves high adventure and plans to see the world, if her passion for Devil doesn't overpower her spirit first.



And that's it for today.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:04 AM (YdQQY)

17 NC college students can not sell Christmas Trees for charity. They must sell “Holiday Trees”.

http://is.gd/cET4G4

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:01 AM (YdQQY)
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So the government will support practicing Druids, but not practicing Christians.

Wonderful.

The First Amendment: How *does* it work?

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:04 AM (RSqz2)

18

DAY 22

1,438 to go


Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Moochelles, McCains, mons veneri, malcontents, miscreants and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:04 AM (XkWWK)

19 Gennifer Flowers??? Ole' Bill does like him some pudgy stuff doesn't he.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:05 AM (YdQQY)

20 6 Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:00 AM (YdQQY)


Morning Vic. I was going to write that if they weren't worried about reelection, then why pander to the Latinos? Then I realized, that they were pandering to us all through their careers and the left is where their hearts and minds are.

The GOP as a party is dead to me. Let THAT burn!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:09 AM (XkWWK)

21 Mayans, Muzzies, Marxists, Moochelles, McCains, mons veneri, malcontents, miscreants and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:04 AM (XkWWK)

You forgot the rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

Hillary is a Methodist...and a bull dyke.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:09 AM (sbV1u)

22 An important message from the media

CNN

- Republican obsession with Benghazi makes no sensel


Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst
and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin
Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."

(CNN) -- Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, a possible
nominee to be the next secretary of state, came to Capitol Hill Tuesday
to perform a private mea culpa to key Republican senators for her
erroneous initial public statements about the perpetrators of the attack
on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in September in which four
Americans were killed.
It didn't work.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:11 AM (RrD4h)

23 Another phony conservative cockroach crawls out of the baseboard and calls for a tax increase.

http://is.gd/YmPK7p

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:03 AM (YdQQY)



The AEI is based in DC, and is a mixed bag. Although they claim to represent what we would consider conservative ideals, as their mission statement clearly reads, I wouldn't call them conservative per se. Look at who is on their boards/councils, and so forth. It's a lobbyist haven hub.

Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:12 AM (LpQbZ)

24 So I see Ace isn't the only one who doesn't read the blog.

Posted by: Andy at November 28, 2012 07:12 AM (OZPoa)

25 I'm not going to read the article about the transgender child.

I'm going to instead choose to believe he's just a kid who figured out a decent ploy to get a good look at the inside of the girl's bathroom. Given the state of our world these days, it was a good idea that had a shot of working.

Alas, no.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 07:14 AM (BeSEI)

26

Where are the balls?

An oped in the WJS today talks of O-no-care already floundering, and, of course, blaming the republicans...

ObamaCare is due to land in a mere 10 months—about 300 days—and the Administration is not even close to ready, so naturally the political and media classes are attacking the Governors and state legislators who decline to help out. Mostly Republicans, they’re facing a torrent of abuse in Washington and pressure from health lobbies at home.

We need more Fox News outlets. At least 3 with varying degrees of partisanship to counter this shit.

Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:14 AM (LpQbZ)

27 9
NC college students can not sell Christmas Trees for charity. They must sell “Holiday Trees”.


I wonder if I can get a Columbus Day tree?

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 28, 2012 07:15 AM (d0Dmj)

28 Hello again, ‘rons and ‘ronettes. And thanks for the news, Gabe and Vic. Just a slight correction, Vic – it’s spelled “Cocoanut,” like the Marx Brothers movie. And as far as Gennifer Flowers – you ever see her Penthouse layout? She was something back in the day. And she did admit that the Syphilitic Hillbilly was a cunning linguist like no other.

“Must” sell Holday Trees? Bullshit. I’m selling a “Christmas Tree,” mofos. Come and arrest me. If those NC students are sharp, they’ll jam this PC crap right down their throats.


OK, today I’m going to tell three quick stories. Don’t worry, they’re all nice ones.


First, we have Paul Muni*, the brilliant Austrian-born actor whose roles included Scarface (much hotter than the remake, let me tell you), The Story of Louis Pasteur and The Good Earth. He was a stage veteran, having played his first role at the age of 12. Naturally, he was aware of the sexual dynamics involved during the run of a show or the shoot of a film, and developed what he called “The Five-Day Rule.” “During the first day of rehearsal,” he said, “everybody in a company falls in love with everyone else. Boys with girls, girls with boys, boys with boys and girls with girls. The oldest character actor in the company falls for the prettiest ingénue. If you’re lucky, it works the other way around and the young ones fall in love with the old ones. This happens to anybody who still has his eyesight and a few glands left. But take my advice: always wait five days. At the end of that time, if you still want it, then do something about it. But you usually don’t.”

*Tony Randall worked on stage with Muni in 1955 in Inherit the Wind, when Muni was suffering from an eye tumor. This was a subject of gossip to the theater crowd, and occasionally Randall would be stopped on the street by people who would ask, “How’s Paul?” Randall said that if they asked him in that manner, he knew they weren’t friends of the actor, since anyone who was his friend called him “Muni,” after his real name, Muni Weisenfreund.


Next, the 1950 20th Century-Fox movie The Mudlark featured Sir Alec Guinness as prime minister Benjamin Disraeli. In the movie, a young street urchin is caught inside Windsor Castle and is thought to be part of an assassination plot. Guinness, as Disraeli, pleads for the child’s life in Parliament, using his speech to indirectly criticize Queen Victoria (Irene Dunne) for hiding away in seclusion after the death of her consort, Prince Albert. The speech is a high point of the film, six-and-a-half minutes straight without a single cut. Halfway through the speech, Guinness stops; it’s a long, dramatic pause that producer Daryl Zanuck thought one of the most effective uses of silence in film history. It hadn’t been written into the script, however, so later on, Zanuck asked Guinness how he came to think of it. “I didn’t,” Sir Alec admitted. “In the middle of the speech, I completely dried up. Forgot my lines.”


And finally, a story that’s been told about Greer Garson, Marlene Dietrich and Norma Shearer, only the name of the cameraman changing: at MGM, Joe Ruttenberg was Garson’s favorite cameraman, because she was convinced that his artistry with shade and light showed her off to better advantage than anyone else in Hollywood. Several years after her real stardom had faded, Garson was back at Metro for a movie and, of course, asked for Ruttenburg. He was happy to please her, and got himself assigned to the project. But it turned out that Garson was not as happy with Ruttenburg’s work as she used to be. One afternoon, after seeing the wardrobe tests he’d shot of her, she shook her head. “Something’s wrong, Joe. You don’t seem to be shooting me the way you used to.”


“I don’t know what you mean, Greer,”
he responded. “I’m still working the same way I always have."


Garson shrugged at this, but a few days later, she called Ruttenburg into a screening room, where she had a reel of [i[Mrs. Miniver run off. “There!” she cried, pointing out one particular luminous scene, “why can’t you make me look like that any more?”


The gallant Ruttenburg smiled. “I’m very sorry, Greer. But you must remember, I’m ten years older now.”


Hope you all have a wonderful day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 07:16 AM (zF6Iw)

29 An important message from the media

CBS

House GOP committee chairs named, all white men


The dearth of women and minorities in the House
Republican Caucus is reflected by who's atop the
committees.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:16 AM (RrD4h)

30 CBS House GOP committee chairs named, all white men

I've yet to hear a convincing explanation for how possessing a vagina or an elevated melanin content enables one to make better decisions.

Perhaps CBS could put me some knowledge.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:18 AM (sbV1u)

31 21 Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:09 AM (sbV1u)


It started just with the Mayans because we are all supposed to die within 21 days. Then it became relevant onomatopoetic words.

But I do like your thinking!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:18 AM (XkWWK)

32 NC college students can not sell Christmas Trees for charity. They must sell “Holiday Trees”.


I wonder if I can get a Columbus Day tree?
Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 28, 2012 07:15 AM (d0Dmj)




I want a Piss on Obama tree, pls.

http://tinyurl.com/bsfrqg2

I really do.

More piss on obama art, pls.

Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:19 AM (LpQbZ)

33 28 “There!” she cried, pointing out one particular luminous scene, “why can’t you make me look like that any more?”



The gallant Ruttenburg smiled. “I’m very sorry, Greer. But you must remember, I’m ten years older now.”


Slick.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 28, 2012 07:19 AM (d0Dmj)

34 "Regulations exist to be used as punishment and to create jobs for people who deal in paper."

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

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That is what they're used for after they're implemented, but they are primarily implemented as a Public Relations move on the part of the government to give the impression that it is "DOING SOMETHING!!11!!" about some pressing problem. Whether or not it is the right or appropriate thing to do not withstanding.

DHS is the latest example.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:21 AM (RSqz2)

35 32 More piss on obama art, pls.
Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:19 AM (LpQbZ)


As I always say about SCOAMF and Mohammed...

PISS be upon him.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:24 AM (XkWWK)

36 Regulations exist to be used as punishment and to create jobs for people who deal in paper. Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY)

I dunno. It sort of strikes me as a good idea to have unlocked emergency exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.

Crazy, I know.

Oh, and my paternal grandmother barely got out of Cocoanut Grove with her life that night. "Cocoanut Grove" is all I ever heard as a kid. Talk to old-timers in Boston who were just kids then. That fire impacted the city in a big way.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:26 AM (sbV1u)

37 GQ (Gentlemans Quartery) names Romney least influential person of the year. This surprises me in that I thought they went out of business in the early 1980's.

Posted by: Whatev at November 28, 2012 07:27 AM (2t6Gz)

38 #36 Heard an interview on radio the other night. The case is still open because they never figured out what caused the fire. They are hoping there might be a survivor who remembers something (or a relative of a survivor) so they are putting out one last call for anyone who has information, no matter how trivial.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:29 AM (GoIUi)

39 GQ (Gentlemans Quartery) names Romney least influential person of the year. This surprises me in that I thought they went out of business in the early 1980's. Posted by: Whatev at November 28, 2012 07:27 AM (2t6Gz)

"GQ. Because what metrosexuals think is important! Pick up a copy today!"

....

It is soooooo hard to take these people seriously. So I won't.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:29 AM (sbV1u)

40 Flowers is about 7 years late in reporting this for it to have any impact. Everyone is too busy enjoying their OBAMAPHONE! to care now.

Posted by: JeffP at November 28, 2012 07:29 AM (floUD)

41 Look at who is on their boards/councils, and so forth. It's a lobbyist haven hub.


Posted by: beach at November 28, 2012 07:12 AM (LpQbZ)




Lobbyists are like lawyers, except they have even fewer standards. Write them a check and they'll defend anything!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 07:30 AM (Cnqmv)

42 My question is this:

What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)

43 Got nothin' but love for the U.N. this morning, love ya baby. Everyone going down to Dubai to have a little committee meeting about Internet Censorship, etc., aka: don't talk bad about 'slam, set to happen next week. Global rules? Rules provided by Iran, Russia, China?! spit!

Posted by: and irresolute at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (DBH1h)

44 "Least Influential"? My vote would be for 6-toed Fred, the mute and mentally retarded drunk who lives under the bridge down the street.

But guess he did slightly better than Mitt.

Oh, and fuck GQ.

Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (9ScGj)

45 My question is this:

What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)
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Hillary deciding to run in 2008?

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (RSqz2)

46 I dunno. It sort of strikes me as a good idea to have unlocked emergency
exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not
a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.

Crazy, I know.




You missed my point. There were already all kinds of fire codes in place before that fire. They were not enforced.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)

47 43 Got nothin' but love for the U.N. this morning, love ya baby. Everyone going down to Dubai to have a little committee meeting about Internet Censorship, etc., aka: don't talk bad about 'slam, set to happen next week. Global rules? Rules provided by Iran, Russia, China?! spit!
Posted by: and irresolute at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (DBH1h)


You'd think the Iranians would have the common courtesy to hurl a few missiles their way and do us at least that much. Fucking bastards.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:35 AM (XkWWK)

48 Rules provided by Iran, Russia, China?! spit!

Posted by: and irresolute at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (DBH1h)


But you can bet they'll be "fair"!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 07:36 AM (Cnqmv)

49 You missed my point. There were already all kinds of fire codes in place before that fire. They were not enforced. Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)

Not in Boston there were not.

That's MY point.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:36 AM (sbV1u)

50
34"Regulations exist to be used as punishment and to create jobs for people who deal in paper."

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM (YdQQY) .............................

My sister called last night very depressed. Her husband owns or co-owns 11 restaurants. He and several other business owners met yesterday with a lawyer who has done nothing over the last 2 yearsbut try to decipher the new health care bill. He claims there have been over 600 new regulations added to the original bill and they just keep coming. My BIL asked every question he could think of trying to get around this shit sandwich and the answer was no every time. Apparently the only way to come out of this halfway decent is to work for someone else and make under 50,000. My god fearing, patriotic sister is ready to cash it in and leave the country. She told me some other things too but since she was hearing it second hand from her husband I won't repeat until Ive done my research. Scary scary stuff is an understatement.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 28, 2012 07:37 AM (B3ZQc)

51 I have to agree: regulations are slowly draining the joy out of life. That and PC. I'm thinking of airport security here.

Posted by: Ruth in Iowa at November 28, 2012 07:37 AM (LhpYW)

52 I've yet to hear a convincing explanation for how possessing a vagina or
an elevated melanin content enables one to make better decisions.



I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.

Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)

53 #36 Heard an interview on radio the other night. The case is still open because they never figured out what caused the fire. They are hoping there might be a survivor who remembers something (or a relative of a survivor) so they are putting out one last call for anyone who has information, no matter how trivial.
Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:29 AM (GoIUi)


Now, that's interesting, MM, because I had thought it was fairly well established that a bartender had asked a busboy to replace a lightbulb. It was dark and the kid couldn't see what he was doing, so he lit a match. The flame caught one of the crepe "palm leaves" and then WHOOSH! From what I understand, the confusion came because the kid denied lighting the match and the bartender denied asking him to change the light. The Boston Globe (*spit*) had an article on this earlier in the month - once I get some work cleared away, let me see if I can find you the link. Try searching "Boston Globe Magazine Cocoanut Grove November 2012," though, and see what comes up.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (zF6Iw)

54 The Boston Globe (*spit*) had an article on this earlier in the month - once I get some work cleared away, let me see if I can find you the link. Try searching "Boston Globe Magazine Cocoanut Grove November 2012," though, and see what comes up. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (zF6Iw)

Miss Marple, hit the Wikipedia page for it and there are a ton of old Boston Globe (and I share your disdain MPPPP) links to their archives there.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:41 AM (sbV1u)

55 I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car. Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)

Oh, that's easy. It's a depth perception issue.

Caves. Claustrophobia. Agoraphobia. I'm sure you see the connections. It's all very simple.

.....

You're not buying this, are you?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:43 AM (sbV1u)

56 #53 It was an interview on either my local PBS or the overnight BBC feed that the station switches to after midnight. It was a very detailed interview. They said one of the reasons the club was so crowded was that there was a popular cowboy entertainer there and also a college football team had gone there to celebrate their victory.

They discussed the doors being locked and interviewed a guy who wound up on the roof along with several other people and had to be brought down by ladders. Of course, the man interviewed had to be in his late 70's or early 80's.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:43 AM (GoIUi)

57 I dunno. It sort of strikes me as a good idea to have unlocked emergency
exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not
a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.

Crazy, I know.



You missed my point. There were already all kinds of fire codes in place before that fire. They were not enforced.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)
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There are some places in the US, particularly in urban areas, (yeah, yeah, I denounce myself) where enforcing any kind of code, let alone fire codes, is nigh on impossible.

Case in point;

Back in my youth I was a fireman in a small city in New York state. There was a public housing project in the city where the residents would regularly break the panic bars off the bulkhead doors to the roof so that their "friends" could enter the building from the roof.

The management got sick of constantly replacing the panic bars and chained the doors shut.

Whenever we had a call at the building we would cut the chains off because it was a fire safety hazard.

As soon as we left the building management would chain the doors shut again.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (RSqz2)

58 Apparently the only way to come out of this halfway decent is to work for someone else and make under 50,000.

Posted by: Molly k. at November 28, 2012 07:37 AM (B3ZQc)



This is the point comrade!

The good serf citizen works for the government (not himself), makes an amount adequate for his needs (<$50,000), does not own firearms (UN Gun Treaty), and does not comment on the Internet (Internet Kill Switch)

Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (Cnqmv)

59 @51

You know what drains the joy.

The fact that when I go to the store I can't find a 100 watt incandescent light bulb because the government has outlawed them.

I have the following options buy a mercury filled CF bulb for $6 or a $50 led bulb that is a 75 watt equivalent. They don't even offer 100 watt equivalent bulbs that I have seen.

The led bulbs start at 40 watts equivalent! Who the fuck puts a 40 watt bulb anywhere except their oven or fridge?


Not only do they want us to pay up the wazoo for light bulb replacements they want us to live in the dark.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (RrD4h)

60 :::46 I dunno. It sort of strikes me as a good idea to have unlocked emergency
exits in the event of a fire. But I know that's just me. I'm really not
a huge fan of 3d degree burns over 90% of my body.:::

Get back to your sewing machine before I dock ya a day's pay, Bannion. You can stop, drop and roll on your own time.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:45 AM (JDIKC)

61 They said one of the reasons the club was so crowded was that there was a popular cowboy entertainer there and also a college football team had gone there to celebrate their victory.

Well...there's your problem. They're wrong.

They are talking about the Boston College football team. They were Sugar Bowl bound and were planning on a victory party there, but had cancelled their party because they got a beat down earlier in the day (or week...I forget) by unranked Holy Cross. They were so down about it they cancelled the party.

Told ya...."Cocoanut Grove" was all I ever heard every single holiday when I was a kid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:47 AM (sbV1u)

62 Get back to your sewing machine before I dock ya a day's pay, Bannion. You can stop, drop and roll on your own time. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:45 AM (JDIKC)

Capitalist! Damn you!

You'll all burn in Hell I say!

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Channeling Gangs of New York at November 28, 2012 07:48 AM (sbV1u)

63 Not only do they want us to pay up the wazoo for light bulb replacements they want us to live in the dark.

Makes it harder to read the fine print in all those new regs they're so busy issuing.

Posted by: Retread at November 28, 2012 07:48 AM (zxitI)

64 Not only do they want us to pay up the wazoo for light bulb replacements they want us to live in the dark.


Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (RrD4h)


Experience has shown that a populace kept in the dark is far easier to manipulate, comrade!

Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 07:49 AM (Cnqmv)

65 :::55 I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car. Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM :::

Don't let it worry you. Women are just good at different things than men. Like shopping and crying.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:49 AM (JDIKC)

66 >>>Oh, and my paternal grandmother barely got out of Cocoanut Grove with her life that night. "Cocoanut Grove" is all I ever heard as a kid. Talk to old-timers in Boston who were just kids then. That fire impacted the city in a big way.
Posted by: Sean Bannion

When I was little, parents would talk about the Queen of Angels fire - 92 kids & 3 nuns, hushed tones.

http://goo.gl/K6wAc

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (TYO2p)

67 There were fire codes in place as a result of the Triangle Shirt Waste fire in NYC and yes they applied to Boston.


However through mafia connections the owner was of the Cocoanut Grove was able to get away with many violations.


He was prosecuted and jailed for those violations. (19 counts of manslaughter)

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (YdQQY)

68 57 Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:44 AM (RSqz2)

Happyland Social Club, Bronx, NY, March 1990

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (XkWWK)

69 Don't let it worry you. Women are just good at different things than men. Like shopping and crying. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:49 AM (JDIKC)

Taser or mace, my Queen?

Although we might still have some napalm left. I can check if you prefer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief, Logistics Directorate, Republic of Alextopia at November 28, 2012 07:51 AM (sbV1u)

70

Wrong link:

http://goo.gl/CQu4x

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 07:51 AM (TYO2p)

71 Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (YdQQY)


Not going to have a thread long discussion of this. Boston fire codes were changed AFTER the fire not before.

Not absolutely everything government does sucks. Much...but not all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Chief, Logistics Directorate, Republic of Alextopia at November 28, 2012 07:53 AM (sbV1u)

72 I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)


That's a different faulty organ.


I denounce myself.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 07:54 AM (3Y7RV)

73 Further to the Happy Land fire in 1990, turns out Kathleen Turner's ex-husband, Jay Weiss, was one of the owners of the building.

He and the others were acquitted of wrongdoing since it was a deliberate arson attack. But the club was illegal, way over capacity and had no proper fire protection/exits to speak of.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:54 AM (XkWWK)

74 15 Another phony conservative cockroach crawls out of the baseboard and calls for a tax increase.

Yep, because that's where the money is. See this chart I got from the WSJ a while ago.

http://tinyurl.com/cn7b72v

Posted by: rickl at November 28, 2012 07:54 AM (sdi6R)

75 Happyland Social Club, Bronx, NY, March 1990 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (XkWWK)

That one I remember.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 07:54 AM (sbV1u)

76 @68

That was a special case it was an illegal club, basically a two story storefront with only a single point of entrance and egress. Also it being located in the south Bronx all the windows were bared for safety reasons.

I lived on Crotona avenue and Southern Blvd around the corner from happy land at that time.

That fuck Julio Gonzalez will burn in hell forever for what he did.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:55 AM (RrD4h)

77 Being a fan of gallows humor, I was going to ask where Great White was playing the night of the Coconut Grove fire... but I won't say it. That would be rude.

Still, on the bright side, at least the people at the club didn't have to listen to a whole set of popular cowboy entertainer music, so they had that going for them.

Which is nice.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 28, 2012 07:55 AM (BeSEI)

78 Not going to have a thread long discussion of this. Boston fire codes were changed AFTER the fire not before.


Yes, they did what government always does. After failing to enforce the existing regulations they made some new ones.


And I will lay you dollars to donuts if you did an honest fire code inspection of Boston businesses you would find that the new ones are not being enforced either.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:56 AM (YdQQY)

79 What about that horrendous fire in Rhode Island a few years back where the curtains ignited from stage show fireworks at a rock concert?

That was utterly hideous and I recall that the initial burst of flame and ensuing panic was caught on tape.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:56 AM (XkWWK)

80 Happyland Social Club, Bronx, NY, March 1990

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:50 AM (XkWWK)
=========

That is the case that I constantly cite in arguments with gun control idiots. It is still the largest mass murder in the history of the United States and it was committed with a gallon of gasoline and a match.

I'm waiting for match registration and gasoline purchase waiting period laws- for the children donch' know, but the government never seems to pass them.

Racist bastids...

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:56 AM (RSqz2)

81 Not going to have a thread long discussion of this. Boston fire codes were changed AFTER the fire not before.


Yes, they did what government always does. After failing to enforce the existing regulations they made some new ones.


And I will lay you dollars to donuts if you did an honest fire code inspection of Boston businesses you would find that the new ones are not being enforced either.
Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:56 AM (YdQQY)


So are we saying that lives were traded for an envelope of cash?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (3Y7RV)

82 "They were not enforced."

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:34 AM (YdQQY)

This is a tough sell. I believe that the market will eventually create safer construction and operating standards than any government regulation could possibly create. But it would occur because of trial and error and financial pressure.

The question is: Which will cost the fewest lives?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (GsoHv)

83 Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) has worked closely with his GOP colleagues on
the bill but has not yet signed on as a co-sponsor. Rubio told The Hill
that he thinks “the concept is the right one and it’s one we helped them
formulate” but said he is “still taking input from a lot of the
stakeholders.”


That reads to me like Rubio is fully committed to advance amnesty and chronic mass immigration both legal and illegal, it's just that he's still in the mode of pandering to the mass base of the Republican Party till he doesn't have to.

It's an advantage for the left that their political representatives are to the left of where they publicly present themselves to be. Both activists and the leftist mass media can safely give these stealth super-liberals cover till they get into position to do some real damage.

It's a disadvantage for the right that their political representatives are also to the left of where they publicly present themselves to be. Right wing activists have no choice by to drag their representatives as far right as possible in public, demanding public commitments and risky statements that will be used against them in elections, because the alternative to putting that pressure on them is to let them march left and left and left, which they would. (And judged by the constant growth of politically correct legislation and the size of government, which they do anyway.)

The only positive spin I can put on this is that ordinary, non-elite rightists shouldn't blame themselves for what is happening. It's not that their hearts are in the wrong place, but that those with power know their opinions and despise them.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (r3I/G)

84 Here we go, MM - this is the story I was telling you about:


"Icouldn’t see the bulb and I struck a match and put it on and then I stepped away,” said Stanley Tomaszewski, a 16-year-old bus boy. “Then all of a sudden the palm tree seemed to take fire. ... I was standing on top of the bench when I saw the fire. Some lady said, ‘look, the palm tree is on fire.’ I tried to beat it out with my hands.”

With those words, Tomaszewski provided an account of the opening moments of the Cocoanut Grove fire, one of the most devastating building blazes in American history that saw 492 people killed in Boston on Nov. 28, 1942.

The words of Tomaszewski and others who were in the club and witnessed the tragedy have been brought back to life with the release on Tuesday by Boston police, for the first time publicly, of the transcripts of interviews with survivors. The release comes one month before the commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the blaze.

“It’s a nationally important story, but it’s also particularly a Boston story," said Margaret R. Sullivan, the Police Department’s records manager and archivist who spearheaded the effort to release the statements.

Sullivan said she thought the public would benefit from having access to the statements, and that she was struck by accounts of servicemen who were passing by the club as the fire raged and rushed in to provide assistance.



‘We made for the stairs. The flames were on my heels and crawled right along and spread out.’
“These people went in and saved lives and sometimes were quite badly injured,” she said.

The fast moving fire destroyed what was then one of Boston’s most elegant nightclubs, on Piedmont Street. An investigation failed to determine the cause.

Club owner Barnett Welansky was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, setting the legal precedent that a conscious failure to address dangerous conditions was basis enough for guilt.

Among the released transcripts, which the Boston Public Library has digitized for public viewing online, is an interview with Nick Pagonis, then an ensign with the US Naval Reserve stationed at MIT who went to the club that night with two other men.

“The people went wild,” Pagonis told police in 1942. “We were just battling to keep them back when the smoke got me and someone pulled me out. ... When the firemen came we grabbed the axes and broke windows. It seemed to me that all those rescue workers were in the way. They held back those who wanted to help. The whole picture was very disgusting.”

Other witnesses quoted in the newly released transcripts told police that they were shocked by the speed and force of the blaze.

“I was just coming out of the ladies room and enveloped by smoke,” V. Alice Maulsby, then 22, of Wellesley, told police.

“I never saw anything go so fast. ... My escort was there looking for me and [we] made our way over different people and somebody reached in and said, ‘Come on, sister.’ ”

Roland Sousa, 45, of Salem, told police he was not alarmed when the palm tree caught fire.

“I was just going to sit down and there is a little palm tree in the corner and it started to get aflame, but I didn’t get too excited because I had seen that before and they put it out,” he said.

But this time, he continued, the flame reached the ceiling.

“Yes, started to crawl all around the joint,” he said. “They didn’t stop it. It got ahead of them. So we made for the stairs. The flames were on my heels and crawled right along and spread out and then started smoking.”

Tomaszewski, in his witness account, said he lit a match to help see the light bulb that a bartender had asked him to screw back into its socket.

The bartender, John Bradley, denied in an interview that he had asked Tomaszewski to screw in the bulb, though he also said he told the youth that “it had to be done” after the teenager informed him a patron had taken it out.

Tomaszewski initially denied in an interview with police Captain John F. McCarthy that he lit the match, but admitted doing so later in the interview.

Stephanie Schorow, a veteran reporter and author of “The Cocoanut Grove Fire,” said on Tuesday that the transcripts contradict the popular image of Tomaszewski.

“It was very difficult for him to come forward and talk about it,” said Schorow, a freelance restaurant critic for the Globe who is giving a lecture on the fire at the Boston Public Library on Nov. 14.

“There’s kind of a mythology that he was very forthright about it, but if you read these statements, you’ll see they had to kind of tease it out of him,” she said.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 07:58 AM (zF6Iw)

85 I assume all this talk of fire safety was because of what happened in Bangladesh the other day?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 07:58 AM (XkWWK)

86
Actually Weiss & another person pledd out to misdemeanors, did CS, & paid fines/

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 07:58 AM (TYO2p)

87 52I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)


Because your brain is one-third the size of a man's brain. It's science. It's been proven. All the papers say so.

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 07:58 AM (I2LwF)

88 This fire code stuff reminds me of one of my favorite SNL skits which is an "exposé" of unsafe Halloween costumes like "The Invisible Pedestrian."

Joan Face: What about this? [ holds up new costume ] Johnny Human Torch? It's a bag of oily rags and a lighter!

Irwin Mainway: This happens to be a favorite of mine, because it's a low-price Halloween costume. [ tears it open ] It's really one of the more exciting ones. You take the rags, you just pin 'em on there like a hobo, you know? And then flame on, lights up the night! It's a beautiful costume, I think.

Joan Face: Mr. Mainway, I am shocked at your irresponsible attitude! I think we can all see that your Halloween costumes are unsafe and should rightfully be banned from the market!

Irwin Mainway: Now, wait a second, hold it! You're picking on these because you're saying these costumes are unsafe! Well, I'm gonna tell you something - any item of clothing can be proven unsafe! Anything! What you're wearing, what I'm wearing! I've got this tie on - nice tie, nice thin tie.. alright, I'm driving along in my convertible, a nice gust of wind comes up.. [ he lifts his tie, shoves it into his face and feigns choking ] I could choke to death, you know? I mean, really! I could put it in my mouth - I could swallow my whole shirt!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (JDIKC)

89 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (5DR1j)

90 The question is: Which will cost the fewest lives?




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (GsoHv)

When the insurance company sends an inspector it gets an honest look. Their ass is on the line so they inspect and envelopes crossing hands do not effect them.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (YdQQY)

91 "I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car."

Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)

Because it's just too tempting to play with -- it's distracting.

Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (GsoHv)

92 87 52I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)

Because your brain is one-third the size of a man's brain. It's science. It's been proven. All the papers say so.
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 07:58 AM (I2LwF)

Damn Tru, at least I had the common sense to denounce myself.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:00 AM (3Y7RV)

93 I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.

You and my wife. I tell her all the time if she spent less time parking when she was young, and more time learning how to park she'd be a much better driver. It's like the moment she slips the transmission into 'R' her blood alcohol count hits 3.0 -- I'll look at the window some mornings and the car is parked almost sideways.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:00 AM (feFL6)

94 80 Racist bastids...
Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 07:56 AM (RSqz2)


Anyone who can spell the correct pronunciation of "bastard" is OK by me!

And as an aside, the Triangle Shirtwaist Co. fire of 1911 is still used by the Leftists to bash capitalism.

Tragic though it was, I really hate that they do that, but what the hell don't they politicize?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (XkWWK)

95 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (JDIKC)

Ah....back when SNL was funny.

I loved that bit. That one and when he did E. Buzz Miller

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (sbV1u)

96 91 "I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car."

Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)

Because it's just too tempting to play with -- it's distracting.

Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (GsoHv)


OK, that's funny. If I had one of those and some boobies I wouldn't leave the house.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (3Y7RV)

97 The Station nightclub firein Rhode Island was on the last weekend of February 2002. I immediately thought it was terrorism. Where I worked, we had a few customers who were there and had been burned badly. Very weird, very sad.

It's now a logistical and regulatory nightmare in RI to comply with the fire code. Many businesses shut down because they couldn't afford to comply.

Incidentally, it happened on the day Mr. Rogers died.

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:02 AM (I2LwF)

98 Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 07:59 AM (YdQQY)

So...being the Devil's Advocate....why should the insurance company enforce rules that are not mandated by law?

Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 08:03 AM (GsoHv)

99 Incidentally, it happened on the day Mr. Rogers died.
Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:02 AM (I2LwF)


Mr. Rogers did not die. He was raptured and will be held by the lord for all eternity.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:03 AM (3Y7RV)

100 "Ah....back when SNL was funny."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (sbV1u)

Wow...you are OLD!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:04 AM (GsoHv)

101 Mr. Rogers did not die. He was raptured and will be held by the lord for all eternity. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:03 AM (3Y7RV)

Can you say "Eschaton?"

I knew that you could.

Posted by: Fred Rogers at November 28, 2012 08:04 AM (sbV1u)

102 The next time Code Pink Taco dress up in cunt suits to protest on Capitol Hill, someone should call the fire marshals on them for wearing flammable pudendae.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (XkWWK)

103 Wow...you are OLD! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:04 AM (GsoHv)

Ahem.

"Experienced"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (sbV1u)

104 #61 Well, I should have know. It was PBS/BBC, after all.


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (GoIUi)

105 Great Fred Rogers goof on the classic National Lampoon album "That's Not Funny. That's Sick."


Albums. Now that's dating oneself!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (XkWWK)

106 102 The next time Code Pink Taco dress up in cunt suits to protest on Capitol Hill, someone should call the fire marshals on them for wearing flammable pudendae.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (XkWWK)

I'd rather dress as a big Dick and chase them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (3Y7RV)

107 OK, that's funny. If I had one of those and some boobies I wouldn't leave the house.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (3Y7RV)


You're presuming your new playtoys would be fresh out of the wrapper goodness. Suppose you had Helen Thomas' skanky old ladyparts? Hazmat gloves and D-Condon't exactly add to intimate enjoyment.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (zF6Iw)

108 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 07:16 AM (zF6Iw)

I just have to say....I look forward to reading your posts each morning.

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (JWLqy)

109 You're presuming your new playtoys would be fresh out of the wrapper goodness. Suppose you had Helen Thomas' skanky old ladyparts? Hazmat gloves and D-Condon't exactly add to intimate enjoyment.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (zF6Iw)

Dream Crusher.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:07 AM (3Y7RV)

110 Hazmat gloves and D-Condon't exactly add to intimate enjoyment. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (zF6Iw)

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Posted by: Barney Frank at November 28, 2012 08:07 AM (sbV1u)

111 106 I'd rather dress as a big Dick and chase them.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:06 AM (3Y7RV)


Remember the Bugs Bunny cartoon where he's stranded on a desert island and being chased by the two schlubs? At the end one turns into a hotdog and the other a hamburger and they chase each other into the sunset.

Anyway, your comment made me think of that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:07 AM (XkWWK)

112 "Experienced"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (sbV1u)

Heh.

You and I are about the same "experience."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:08 AM (GsoHv)

113 I can't think of an easier place to install sprinkler heads then in the open ceiling of a nightclub. In Pennsylvania now, if you add a room to a house you have to add sprinkle heads to the entire home. New homes have to be built with them. Additional 5k expense for new, I'd imagine 3X that for a retro install.

There was some talk that maybe our (R) governor would shit-can that provision, but I haven't heard otherwise.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:08 AM (feFL6)

114 Sigh... Did you know that in college football, the WAC champion is honored with a bowl bid to... The Famous Idaho Potato Bowl!

What the fuck? What's next? The Dr. Scholl's Odor Eater Bowl? The Tampax Bowl Classic? The Outback Bowl?

Oh, wait, that Outback Bowl is a real thing. Although I'm not sure whether its sponsored by the dyke car or the restaurant.

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:09 AM (I2LwF)

115 You and I are about the same "experience." Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:08 AM (GsoHv)

I lucked out though. When I was at my senior prom my wife was 5.

So I got that goin' for me...which is nice.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:09 AM (sbV1u)

116 So...being the Devil's Advocate....why should the insurance company enforce rules that are not mandated by law?

Missed the first part of this, but assuming vic is saying that fire code would be better enforced by Insurance companies- because it actually costs the Insurance Company money when you have a covered loss.

So, if they were enforcing the fire codes, they could go in and say "fix this, or we're not responsible for any loss by fire." After the fact, they could send their own investigators in, and refuse to pay if they find that code violations where what caused losses.

Actually, many of them do that anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 08:10 AM (5DR1j)

117 113 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:08 AM (feFL6)


Do they have to be functional?

I remember an article about a public pool that was forced to add a $10,000 lift so crippled kids in wheelchairs can get in. The cost was too high so they had to shut the pool. I was thinking just add a phony lift and put a sign around it that said "Out of Order."

Any way to get around the evil Leviathan.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:11 AM (XkWWK)

118 And speaking of the Triangle Fire, some actual footage from the fire (not, thank heavens, any of girls jumping to their deaths) was used in the 1915 Edision five-reeler Children Of Eve, which is currently available in the Kino Classics DVD The Devil's Needle and Other Tales of Vice and Redemption.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:11 AM (zF6Iw)

119 So...being the Devil's Advocate....why should the insurance company enforce rules that are not mandated by law?




Posted by: typical piggish moron at November 28, 2012 08:03 AM (GsoHv)

Where did I say that? They inspect for compliance with the fire codes.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:11 AM (YdQQY)

120 My question is this:

What was going on in 2005 that made Clinton so needy that he tried to see Flowers?


Posted by: Miss Marple at November 28, 2012 07:31 AM (GoIUi)
Billy woke up with morning wood, and Hillary was snoring next to him.

Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2012 08:12 AM (qB0/v)

121 http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Ki86x1WKPmEfeature=colike

Smart Military Blog Pron

F35-B

Posted by: sTevo at November 28, 2012 08:12 AM (Eow3P)

122 And as an aside, the Triangle Shirtwaist Co. fire of 1911 is still used by the Leftists to bash capitalism.

Tragic though it was, I really hate that they do that, but what the hell don't they politicize?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:01 AM (XkWWK)

===========

Back in the day I never actually thought about politics- I just got pissed at people who did stupid things that got other people hurt and at people who wouldn't take responsibility for their own safety.

Nowadays I find myself remembering all kinds of things from those days as reasons why I'm a conservative.

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (RSqz2)

123 Stouffer's fire, 1980, White Plains NY. I worked in the prosecutor's office at that time. The defendant, a busboy, was convicted, but the trial judge threw the case out after the verdict and was upheld on appeal.
http://tinyurl.com/bu95d3m

Posted by: real joe at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (PD2ad)

124 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 08:10 AM (5DR1j)

The larger question is whether the market can drive society toward safer construction and operating standards faster and better than government interference regulation. And whether that process will occur with fewer casualties.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (GsoHv)

125 Thanks, kawfytalk. Let me know if you've got a favorite star you want to hear a story about. I can't promise, but I'll try.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (zF6Iw)

126 >Prosciutto corned beef filet mignon brisket turkey. Short ribs t-bone
shank hamburger.



Tri-tip sausage ham hock pork meatball jerky!

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (8sCoq)

127 What the fuck? What's next? The Dr. Scholl's Odor Eater Bowl? The Tampax Bowl Classic? The Outback Bowl?


It could be the NAMBLA shit eaters bowl and if they ponied up the cash the NCAA would take it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (3Y7RV)

128 The question is: Which will cost the fewest lives?




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 07:57 AM (GsoHv)

No, the question is which approach will give the government the most power!

Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 08:14 AM (Cnqmv)

129 Where did I say that? They inspect for compliance with the fire codes.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:11 AM (YdQQY)

Not everything is a criticism...and try to follow along.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (GsoHv)

130 The next time Code Pink Taco dress up in cunt suits to protest on Capitol Hill, someone should call the fire marshals on them for wearing flammable pudendae.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 28, 2012 08:05 AM (XkWWK)
===========

Or just set them on fire and say "see, I TOLD you those things are flammable!"

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (RSqz2)

131 ::::I lucked out though. When I was at my senior prom my wife was 5.:::

What time did her dad tell you to have her home by?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (JDIKC)

132 @12 Did he waste the meat, though?

Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (1V6Pv)

133 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:08 AM (feFL6)


They are trying to pass a law for that here as well following a fire at a condo in Myrtle Beach that killed a bunch of college kids.


The fire started because they put a BBQ grill on the porch and it turned over while they were "asleep".

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (YdQQY)

134 The Sandra Fluke Trojan Whores Bowl. With nekked cheerleaders.

Posted by: sTevo at November 28, 2012 08:16 AM (Eow3P)

135 Actually, many of them do that anyway.

I remember almost annual inspections from our insurance carrier in my manufacturing facility. They'd notice something, send a letter, we'd fix it, and life went on. Once they wanted a sprinkler head installed over an area. Called a plumber, he spent about two hours, paid about $200 bucks. No big deal. Yeah, the area was kinda dangerous.

When I go out, say dinner or the movies, the first thing I look for is the exit doors. If I see them locked, I say something to someone. They all act as if it's an oversight and unlock them.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:17 AM (feFL6)

136 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (GsoHv)

Steamboat boiler design guidelines were driven by insurance requirements back in the free market days, before citizens became too stupid to think for themselves.

Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 08:17 AM (Cnqmv)

137 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 08:13 AM (zF6Iw)

I always enjoyed all the Doris Day movies...silly as they were.....My fave was Send Me No Flowers.

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (JWLqy)

138 What time did her dad tell you to have her home by? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (JDIKC)

She had to be home in time for The Muppet Show

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (sbV1u)

139 Don't let it worry you. Women are just good at different things than men. Like shopping and crying.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 28, 2012 07:49 AM (JDIKC)
Don't forget how tired they are doing EVERYTHING, cause their husband/spouse/boyfriend is sooooo lazy

Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (qB0/v)

140 Posted by: Bruce at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (qB0/v)

And there's all that time required to apply makeup!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (Cnqmv)

141 The larger question is whether the market can drive society toward safer
construction and operating standards faster and better than government interference regulation.


No. The question is whether government should have any say at all in "safer construction and operating standards." I don't believe they should.

Look, it's simply good business sense not to let all your stuff catch on fire, along with your employees and customers. Government shouldn't need to tell you that.



Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (5DR1j)

142 Not everything is a criticism...and try to follow along.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:15 AM (GsoHv)

I was replying to a comment that implied I was calling for insurance companies to enforce laws that did not exist. You try to follow along.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (YdQQY)

143 "What the fuck? What's next? The Dr. Scholl's Odor Eater Bowl? The Tampax Bowl Classic? The Outback Bowl?"

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:09 AM (I2LwF)
=========

The "Ty-D-Bowl".

Posted by: Nighthawk at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (RSqz2)

144 Finished World War Z tonight at work. Fantastic book. Check it out if you like Zombie Apocalypse stuff. Screw the movie. Looks like they are going to fuck that chicken.

Posted by: Zakn at November 28, 2012 08:20 AM (zyaZ1)

145 US will not label China as a currency manipulator. Why? Because the US is one as well.

http://is.gd/neDUNP

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 06:59 AM


The USA is technically a Currency Manufacturer

Posted by: Dept of Accuracy at November 28, 2012 08:21 AM (+I8Mq)

146 I lucked out though. When I was at my senior prom my wife was 5.

So I got that goin' for me...which is nice.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 28, 2012 08:09 AM (sbV1u)



Boy BFF decided to remind me last night that I gradated from law school a week before he graduated from high school and while The Wife was still in middle school.


It is possible that I called him some bad names. Maybe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Coming not nearly soon enough. at November 28, 2012 08:21 AM (VtjlW)

147 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (5DR1j)


You keep acting like individuals could possibly think for themselves in a practical economic sense. In the future, please post that kind of thinking on your blog, when you get it up and running!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 08:22 AM (Cnqmv)

148 Posted by: Barky Ochooma (Redistributor of YOUR Wealth) at November 28, 2012 08:17 AM (Cnqmv)

And that's the big question: which is the quickest way to get to a safer boiler or apartment building or car or......?

I think that the market will ultimately drive safety better and quicker, and with fewer casualties along the way. But it's a tough sell.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:22 AM (GsoHv)

149 The importance of learning at least one unarmed self-defense combat art, in this case, krav maga:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bslos58

Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:22 AM (1V6Pv)

150 I was watching something on TV last night and they were pimping the Obamaphone...complete with a line about how you can qualify....Could.Not.Believe.It! Can't remember the station....has anyone else seen this?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:22 AM (JWLqy)

151 >>>Don't forget how tired they are doing EVERYTHING, cause their husband/spouse/boyfriend is sooooo lazy

Don't forget countermanding and indecision. Two of my favs.

Posted by: Fritz at November 28, 2012 08:23 AM (/ZZCn)

152 Had to get insurance for an office, mainly for the plate glass window, which required I insure the whole building. There was no inspector involved, they simply asked me to verify that it was concrete construction and not wood which gave me the impression that they wouldn't have insured it at all unless it was a concrete block construction.

Posted by: Whatev at November 28, 2012 08:23 AM (2t6Gz)

153 Good news, Morons: they're auctioning off one hour with Sandra Fluke. (No, this isn't a joke). Safe link in my name, and it's unclear if she supplies the birth control.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 28, 2012 08:24 AM (OevbG)

154 Sowell lauds book: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cmu6bhr

Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:24 AM (1V6Pv)

155 >>>When I go out, say dinner or the movies, the first thing I look for is the exit doors. If I see them locked, I say something to someone. They all act as if it's an oversight and unlock them. Posted by: Schrödinger's cat

Where I live, an usher always opens the doors to make sure they are unlocked after the movie starts.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:25 AM (TYO2p)

156 154 Sowell lauds book: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cmu6bhr
Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:24 AM (1V6Pv)

If only the black community thought as much of him as they do fifty cent.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 28, 2012 08:26 AM (3Y7RV)

157 Good news, Morons: they're auctioning off one hour with Sandra Fluke. (No, this isn't a joke).

I imagine second prize is two hours with her.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:26 AM (feFL6)

158 Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:19 AM (YdQQY)

"Devil's Advocate."

Look it up.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:26 AM (GsoHv)

159 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:22 AM (GsoHv)


There is a fallacy there. Getting a design (or a regulation) faster doesn't necessarily make it a better design or a better regulation (if there is such a thing). Some things take just take iterative design, but each version is incrementally better. I think the independent approach eventually results in a better result, while the "instantaneous" government regulatory approach produces paper "results" that might influence future designs in a negative way.

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 08:27 AM (Cnqmv)

160 Didn't Fluke graduate from law school? Shouldn't she have her bar results by now?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:27 AM (TYO2p)

161 *struggles to open eyes together, leans to find remote*
"So, you're saying there are blood tests that will tell if I'm carbohydrate-addled?"
http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5lqwtv

Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:27 AM (1V6Pv)

162 Morning Horde! I'm back amongst the living. Barely. I'm sure you all noticed and missed my incredibly brilliant and insightful comments yesterday.


So I gotta say, these comments are outstanding. The Horde at it's finest. And how AtC hasn't firebombed you all yet is beyond me.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 28, 2012 08:28 AM (da5Wo)

163 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:26 AM (feFL6)

Who around here wouldn't have banged her after a few hours of drinking at a frat party?

Threes turn into eights after lots of drinking.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:28 AM (GsoHv)

164 It could be the NAMBLA shit eaters bowl and if they ponied up the cash the NCAA would take it.

But god forbid Limbaugh try to buy a stake in the Lambs franchise...

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:29 AM (I2LwF)

165 It's impolite to throw mice at a wedding. Who knew?

Posted by: Truman North at November 28, 2012 08:31 AM (I2LwF)

166 The fire started because they put a BBQ grill on the porch and it turned over while they were "asleep".

I used to keep a weber charcoal grill on my wood deck. Made something on it, put the top back on and went inside. Some hot ash dropped down, spilled out of the ash catcher onto the deck. Daughter comes home from date, and says the deck is smoking. Lost about a square foot of deck.

After that I built a brick and masonry fireplace twenty feet from the house.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:31 AM (feFL6)

167 Nood up.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at November 28, 2012 08:31 AM (da5Wo)

168 Look, it's simply good business sense not to let all your stuff catch on fire, along with your employees and customers. Government shouldn't need to tell you that.

It isn't only actuaries doing risk analysis.

Restaurant owners balance the risk of a fire against the cost of the rash of dine-and-dash events once word gets out that the emergency exits are unlocked.

Nightclub owners do the same over people ducking the cover by having their friends let them in through the emergency exits.

People who don't know how to act right fuck things up for everyone.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at November 28, 2012 08:31 AM (V3kRK)

169 Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 08:27 AM (Cnqmv)

Well, I asked what the quickest way to "a safer" boiler or whatever.

But I agree that regulation is not the best approach.

The big question is how to sell it to a public clamoring for government to "DO SOMETHING!" in the wake of some tragedy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:32 AM (GsoHv)

170 "You bring the expertise on your issue, and Sandra will bring her sharp strategic mind and national experience.”

Posted by: Icedog at November 28, 2012 08:32 AM (9ScGj)

171 Eat more chik'n!

Posted by: Beaux Vine at November 28, 2012 08:32 AM (I2LwF)

172 puppy is wearing the "cone" poor thing.....bumps into everything

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 08:35 AM (GVxQo)

173 Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at November 28, 2012 08:31 AM (feFL6)


LOL, I put my BBQ grill on the front porch so I could grill in inclement weather. No problem, the floor was concrete. But it resulted in grease from the smoke getting all over the overhead. It would not scrub off and you could not paint over it.


Wound up having to replace the entire overhead. Grill went back in the yard where it belongs.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2012 08:37 AM (YdQQY)

174 Who is promoting Fluke?...aside from the DNC...since she has already served her purpose at the convention....but I mean now? what makes her promoters feel as though she is relevant to anything now that the election is over?

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:37 AM (JWLqy)

175 @156 True dat! They didn't "stay country" like, say, James Brown. If you stay country, you've seen the "peaceable kingdom" up close and personal. The look of fear on a hen's face when you toss her a tomato horn-worm. The raw hunger of the little green bugs on your cash crop. A horse galloping across a pasture in a state that protects groundhogs from any taking. Hail.
At some point one understands that one is not fully in control, and that the good things are best seen as Blessings, and therefore require Gratitude.
The question may be as stark as the difference between reaching under a hen for a warm egg in the morning, and reaching for the crack-pipe and the remote. One takes a man to do it.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/bv4msxt

Posted by: Thorvald at November 28, 2012 08:37 AM (1V6Pv)

176 puppy is wearing the "cone" poor thing.....bumps into everything
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 08:35 AM (GVxQo)


awww you have a satellite dish doggy. Poor pooch has the cone of shame

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:39 AM (JWLqy)

177 The big question is how to sell it to a public clamoring for government to "DO SOMETHING!" in the wake of some tragedy.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:32 AM (GsoHv)


We have already lost that one!

Posted by: Hrothgar - L.I.B or SMOD (for the Children) at November 28, 2012 08:40 AM (Cnqmv)

178 Morning, all! I know there's a nood, but it's too early to go OT there yet, so here I be in the Headlines thread.

I just have to ask: am I the only person who has absolutely zero sympathy for this woman?

Empty Embrace… Hurricane Sandy Victim Upset After Being Played By Obama (Video) (at Gateway Pundit)

I was very excited and felt warm by the embrace thinking this is really going to happen. I’m going to get the help I need because he promised that. I’ve gotten no help. I’ve gotten nothing but ‘No, you’re not covered for this. No, you’re not covered for that.”

It's terrible what happened, but anyone stupid enough to believe Obumfuck actually gives a rat's ass about them is too stupid, IMO, for much sympathy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 28, 2012 08:42 AM (4df7R)

179 No. The question is whether government should have any say at all in
"safer construction and operating standards." I don't believe they
should.


Well, here's the thing.


If you run your own business by yourself, with no employees, and you don't have customers wandering through your place all day, I'd agree with you. If you want to work in a firetrap, go right ahead, nobody should stop you from doing stupid shit. If you ignore your insurance company's advice, or don't get insurance, fine, be stupid like that.


If you run your own business, but have employees who have full freedom of contract, and they know the score - that you don't really care about fire danger or insurance or crap like that - then fine, let them be stupid along with you. Government shouldn't get in the way.


But, if you have customers wandering through your place, then it gets a little bit different, because unless you post signs along the lines of WARNING: OWNER IS A DUMBSHIT WHO DOESN'T CARE IF HIS PLACE BURNS DOWN, ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, how are customers supposed to know that they are taking their lives in their own hands by just setting foot in your store?


I think even a conservative can make a principled argument that due to lack of customer information about the nature of every single business, and in order to have a well-functioning marketplace ("free market" doesn't mean "no rules", remember) that facilitates the flow of goods and services, some minimal standards ought to be required of businesses that serve the public, that protects the otherwise unsuspecting customers from easily foreseeable physical risks.


Of course the left will try to stretch this principle as far as they possibly can and insist that every business should be held to insanely strict standards, more often than not as a regulatory instrument to shut out competition. But that is because they are trying to co-opt an otherwise sound principle, not because the principle itself is unsound.


Just my two cents on the matter. But what do I know, I'm a RINO.

Posted by: chemjeff at November 28, 2012 08:47 AM (d/5qf)

180 kawfytawk

so sad....he was neutered yesterday and had a hernia removed...he's such a sweetheart....i wonder if he'll improve my cell phone reception.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 08:50 AM (GVxQo)

181 Oh, no! Fluke is licensed in CA. Is she living in LA or SF?

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:51 AM (TYO2p)

182 Yep, Fluke is in LA.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:52 AM (TYO2p)

183 so sad....he was neutered yesterday and had a hernia removed...he's such a sweetheart....i wonder if he'll improve my cell phone reception.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 28, 2012 08:50 AM (GVxQo)

Luckily they recover pretty quickly especially when they are young pups.

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:56 AM (JWLqy)

184 Posted by: chemjeff at November 28, 2012 08:47 AM (d/5qf)

A strict market economist would argue that tort law will ultimately drive your hypothetical idiot out of business, and push the remaining businesses to make their facilities safer.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 28, 2012 08:58 AM (GsoHv)

185 It's terrible what happened, but anyone stupid enough to believe Obumfuck actually gives a rat's ass about them is too stupid, IMO, for much sympathy.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 28, 2012 08:42 AM (4df7R)

No you're not the only one....I thought the same thing when I saw that ....she let herself get played....no sympathy here

Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:58 AM (JWLqy)

186 I visited a friend in SF years ago. We watched her neighbors, 3 gay guys, set a turkey on fire than try to remove it from the grill/smoker, dropping it, & setting the wooden deck on fire. I told my pal to call the FD before the entire block went up in flames.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:59 AM (TYO2p)

187 I always enjoyed all the Doris Day movies...silly as they were.....My fave was Send Me No Flowers.
Posted by: kawfytawk at November 28, 2012 08:18 AM (JWLqy)


I'm a fan of Pillow Talk, myself. No DD stories I know of off the top of my head, just the Oscar Levant quip, "I've been in Hollywood so long, I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin."

Got to run, everyone. See you tomorrow.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 28, 2012 09:00 AM (zF6Iw)

188 52

I'm trying to figure out why having a vagina makes me unable to park a car.
Posted by: alexthechick at November 28, 2012 07:38 AM (Gk3SS)


Well, if some of the film clips I've seen floating around the web are in any way indicative of reality, it probably because those things keep getting stuck on the gear shift.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 28, 2012 09:08 AM (aH+zP)

189 CNN

- Republican obsession with Benghazi makes no sensel


Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst
and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin
Laden -- From 9/11 to Abbottabad."

(CNN) -- Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, a possible
nominee to be the next secretary of state, came to Capitol Hill Tuesday
to perform a private mea culpa to key Republican senators for her
erroneous initial public statements about the perpetrators of the attack
on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi in September in which four
Americans were killed.
It didn't work.

Posted by: General Woundwort at November 28, 2012 07:11 AM (RrD4h)



The North Korean media just issued a statement to CNN to let them know that was a bit over the top

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2012 09:14 AM (1Jaio)

190 Yep, Fluke is in LA.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 28, 2012 08:52 AM (TYO2p)


Sandy Does LA

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 28, 2012 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

191 149 The importance of learning at least one unarmed self-defense combat art, in this case, krav maga:
-
Well done that woman.

Ultimately martial arts is not about competitions, ranks and belts, rather it exists to be used as this woman used her krav maga or as Jeremy Glick used his judo on Flight 93.

Posted by: The Lightworker at November 28, 2012 09:21 AM (jEZkL)

192 Very excited about GOP prospects in 2014. Win six of the 7 Democratic-held seats in states Romney carried (Alaska, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina, South Dakota, West Virginia), and Republicans will control the Senate. Find someone to oust clown Franken in Minnesota just to make it entertaining. But Jim Moran is already fielding good talent. Rockefeller might retire rather than face Capito, but he is probably looking for some "tea party" loon to primary her as the "true conservative." Club For Growth and Jim DeMint are doing all they can to find a Mourdock or Angle for this race. Other than Capito, the next most promising pick up is in South Dakota. Former Gov. Mike Rounds announced that he would be forming an exploratory committee for the Senate seat currently held by Sen. Tim Johnson, D-S.D., two months before the November elections. Not only are Democrats defending more seats than Republicans (20 to 13) but many of the most vulnerable Democratic senators hail from some of the most conservative states in the country, where Obama and Democrats have struggled badly over the last several years.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at November 28, 2012 09:30 AM (i0vBR)

193 Y'all are missing the best part of that Gen Flowers story. She was interviewed by a local TV news reporter, Susan Roesgen.

Yes THAT Susan Roesgen.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 28, 2012 09:47 AM (Rhie+)

194 If I actually had money, I'd go in on that auction for one hour with Fluke. I'd have her spend the hour cleaning my kitchen.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 28, 2012 09:50 AM (Rhie+)

195 Who should be Time's "Person of the Year--Sandra Fluke or Maria Santos Gorrostieta?Think hard before deciding.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at November 28, 2012 10:08 AM (wbmaj)

196 ck my blog for The Return of the Green Horney

Posted by: Edward Cropper at November 28, 2012 11:02 AM (Lt3vg)






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