Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Vagina

A commenter suggested this and it sure seems to cut to the heart of the matter.

Not really related, but kinda-sorta, is this article about the natural political advantage of Democratic "solutions."

Through the eighties, and nineties, and naughts, liberals were fond of claiming that Republicans won elections only because their messages were so simplistic and easily-understood by dummies. This is always the reason offered as to why conservatives thrive on talk radio, but liberals fail: Well, you see, it's because conservatives' messages are so simple they lend themselves to fifteen second sound-bites. Whereas liberals' messages are so dashed complex they couldn't possibly be explained in a verbal format (even in a three hour radio show!); no, they're so impossibly complex they can only be explicated in thick academic volumes with lots of charts and integrals.

Which always struck me as precisely ass-backwards: Conservatives like Limbaugh were talking about very indirect, and thus abstract, benefits of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't directly put money into your pocket the way AFDC does, but by creating an environment of economic vigor, it creates more jobs, and hence creates a Seller's Market for labor, thus increasing wages and also increasing worker's bargaining power, and so on.

Meanwhile, liberals' messages were all about a very simple Kindergarten concept -- fairness -- and very direct effects. Vote for this guy, he'll give you the Life of Julia.

You don't need an argument to explain how a government check in your name increases your wealth. It's quite a direct process, requiring no elaboration at all. Your Government-as-Father send you a check, you deposit it. You have more money. You need no more explication or argument about this concept than a college kid needs regarding the getting a loan from Dad to pay for "books."

The benefits of capitalism, on the other hand, are indirect and mostly unseen; Adam Smith had to create a metaphor with tangible form and heft -- "the Invisible Hand" -- to explain this. If something is complicated and abstract enough it can only be explained via metaphor, it's not "simple."

This article discusses that advantage in simplicity of messaging.

Let's concede that those who are pushing to expand government have one huge advantage. Their advantage is that their solutions are immediate, direct and easy to explain.

...

Being correct, however, isn't the same thing as being persuasive. The conservative is rightly concerned with incentives and the long-term effects of any government program for relief, which are vital concerns for workable policy. The liberal is far less abstract: Here are some food stamps so your children don't go hungry tonight.

Never mind the long-term costs and consequences of these solutions. Yes, the education loans that supposedly make college "affordable" actually drive its costs up faster than normal inflation. Yes, housing subsidies have saddled people with homes they cannot afford. And, yes, minimum-wage laws price the people who can least afford it out of the job market. The dilemma for those of us who oppose big-government solutions is that the true costs of these "solutions" are seldom clear until it's too late.

So what's a Republican to do?

Surely not to embrace higher taxes for the rich. Leave aside the impact of higher taxes on investment. The political problem is that raising these taxes does nothing to challenge the larger liberal narrative about government. Conservatives' top priority should be promoting an alternative—that in a highly competitive, global economy, the only real economic security for ordinary Americans is the security of opportunity.

The writer mentions Milton Friedman's "Free to Choose" as the sort of thing we need to start doing again.

I have one depressing thing to say about that, though: "Free to Choose" aired on PBS. In 1980, while PBS was in fact liberal (of course), it also took its mission of presenting a lively exchange of under-reported ideas seriously. PBS gave wide exposure to another one of America's best-known rock-star conservative intellectuals (William F. Buckley, of course).

Now, in 2012, does anyone imagine PBS has any interest in airing something like Free to Choose? Or a William F. Buckley style tony conservative discussion show?

No. Liberalism has become, slowly, pure leftism. That is, while liberalism would consider it a positive political virtue to air contrary viewpoints, because such contrary viewpoints have an indirect, but real, salutary effect on our politics and discourse, the leftist mindset is much cruder and much more fixated on direct, immediate results. And that means that the old liberal idea of "balance" or "exchange of ideas" and "lively discussion" are idealistic follies, and the right course of action is simply direct and relentless propagation of the leftist message.

So while the author is right, partly, he understates the dimensions of the problem; it's not just about providing solid conservative content, it's now about finding any media through which to disseminate it. Doors once left slightly open in a liberal (classical sense) spirit are now shut tight, as crude, results-oriented leftism has displaced the last gasps of a more enlightened, process-oriented liberalism.

Today's PBS would laugh at the naivete of 1980's PBS permitting persuasive conservative voices to be transmitted on "our air."

Of course you see this same pattern -- enforced even more ruthlessly and remorselessly -- in academics. Whereas once it was at least thought that having the occasional conservative professor might be good provoking debate and keeping the intellectual climate vital and frisky, leftists have decided they no longer want to be in the same room as conservatives, do not want them spreading their lies in "their institutions," and have all but purged them.

The problem, as I keep saying, is larger than simple messaging, or about content, or about politics, even. It's about the complete capture of idea-transmitting institutions by the Gramsciite left and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.

Posted by: Ace at 01:14 PM



Comments

1
I have a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:15 PM (9Q7Nu)

2 A commenter suggested this and it sure seems to cut to the heart of the matter.

That was me.

It's a perfect choice.

Posted by: EC at November 27, 2012 01:16 PM (GQ8sn)

3
dammm, you gonna make me go the dictionary, now?


brb..

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:16 PM (9Q7Nu)

4 “Bottom line, I'm more disturbed now than I was before [by] the 16 September explanation about how four Americans died in Benghazi, Libya, by Ambassador Rice,” said [Republican Sen. Lindsey ] Graham.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 01:16 PM (e8kgV)

5 The problem, as I keep saying, is larger than simple messaging, or about content, or about politics, even. It's about the complete capture of idea-transmitting institutions by the Gramsciite left and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.

Posted by: Ace at 01:14 PM
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And your point is?..........

Posted by: NBC News at November 27, 2012 01:17 PM (jucos)

6 Ace,
GET OUT OF MY HEAD AND MY EMAIL BOX!
I was just having the discussion about the academic purge of conservatives with a friend of mine. It's scary what happened.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at November 27, 2012 01:18 PM (cdwHs)

7 Five seconds reading comments on MDSNB's facebook page disproves the theory tha simplistic but unhinged stupidity rule the democrat party.

Posted by: IBT at November 27, 2012 01:18 PM (2t6Gz)

8
ah, Gramsci-ite

(knowledge is power)



Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:18 PM (9Q7Nu)

9 >>>dammm, you gonna make me go the dictionary, now?

A "vagina" is where babies come from.


Posted by: Kurt Vonnegut Jr. at November 27, 2012 01:18 PM (LCRYB)

10 OBAMA CLAUS. Oh, yes I believe. I believe.

Posted by: Minuteman at November 27, 2012 01:18 PM (qs9G3)

11 4 “Bottom line, I'm more disturbed now than I was before [by] the 16 September explanation about how four Americans died in Benghazi, Libya, by Ambassador Rice,” said [Republican Sen. Lindsey ] Graham.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 01:16 PM (e8kgV)

That's sayin somethin cause that asshole is one disturbed son of a bitch.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (3Y7RV)

12 "Why are you Spartan women the only ones who can rule men?"
"Because we are also the only ones who give birth to men."
—Gorgo, Queen of Sparta

Posted by: Diogenes at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (e8kgV)

13 US: Orgasms.

THEM: Wargasms.

Posted by: joncelli, beating a dead meme at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

14 Parts is parts. As long as Sandra gets her pills on time, everything will be forgotten. Aren't her 15 minutes up soon?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (71LDo)

15 >Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Vagina


the cover photo is going to be a problem

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (8sCoq)

16
The benefits of capitalism, on the other hand, are indirect and mostly unseen; Adam Smith had to create a metaphor with tangible form and heft -- "the Invisible Hand" -- to explain this. If something is complicated and abstract enough it can only be explained via metaphor, it's not "simple."


Stephen Crowder's "redistribution of Halloween candy" video was a perfect example of this. To the point, simple, and bang-on accurate.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (4df7R)

17
the cover photo is going to be a problem
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (8sCoq)

They can do a Kim Kardashian camel toe close up.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (3Y7RV)

18 Some arguments take 70 years to play out.

Posted by: Soviet Union at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (qs9G3)

19 You can call us the "Vag Mag". We like it. We'll also run a feature on the GOP's continuing war on women, see, e.g. Ambassador Rice.

Posted by: TIME at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (UL+ny)

20 Capitalism fails when 51% figures out they can get free shit from the remaining 49%.

Guess where we are now?


"Everyone votin minority getn Obamaphone!!!!"

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:21 PM (UK9cE)

21 Following this line...does a fake vagina count?


>Belgian discovers his wife used to be a man after 19 years<


http://tinyurl.com/c63mvns

Posted by: marcus at November 27, 2012 01:21 PM (GGCsk)

22 the cover photo is going to be a problem


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM

Puppets! Giant Vagina Puppets! All pink and sparkly with shimmering streamers.

Posted by: Long Island at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (hl8SI)

23 Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Vagina


the cover photo is going to be a problem
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (8sCoq)
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I don't think so. Doesn't Code Pink have a squad of Vagina costumed oldsters that we could take a picture of?

Posted by: Time Magazine at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (jucos)

24 One thing the GOP can do is propose to eliminate certain taxes that everyone pays from Warren Buffet to Joe Sixpack and have a high annoyance factor. Here's a short list

1. Al Gore's Universal Telephone Service Tax
2. Eliminate Phase out of Tuition Tax Credits (ditto for anything phasing out at incomes around $100K) This would be a huge impact on suburbanites (pisses me off).
3. Allow credit for annual furnace cleaning/checkup as an energy savings. Everyone does this, it actually saves energy.
4. Lots of state stuff for state GOP

Yes this is a giveaway but they are real tax cuts that everyone pays and sees directly. The Dems always want to cap or restrict these to cronies, let the GOP be the party of the regular guy

Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (CAROR)

25 >>>Belgian discovers his wife used to be a man after 19 years

I heard the same thing, except the guy I heard about had a hook for a foot.

Posted by: Department of References to the 1980 Film Meatballs (I Think) at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (LCRYB)

26 Another manatee thread!

Posted by: Oprah at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (OOML8)

27 It has electrolytes.

Posted by: American's Free Shit Army at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (qs9G3)

28 18
Some arguments take 70 years 20 million dead people to play out.

Posted by: Soviet Union at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (qs9G3)

FIFY.

Posted by: joncelli, beating a dead meme at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

29
and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.


Ahhh, Ace, ol' chum, you forgot to mention that the media goes even further than blacklisting us. They carefully choose their "conservative" from a pool of ninnies such as David Frum, Meghan McCain, etc.

And what's more, the Left will simply create a conservative to put on the airwaves. Sorkin's lousy new tv series The Newsoom has a few "conservatives" on it, but of course they are caricatures.

And that idiotic show with Ellen Barkin as a "conservative."

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:23 PM (9Q7Nu)

30 The problem with messaging something complex like conservatism is that it gets beat by "free shit" every time.

Every. Time.

Posted by: EC at November 27, 2012 01:23 PM (GQ8sn)

31 Whereas liberals' messages are so dashed complex they couldn't possibly be explained in a verbal format

Well, of course. It takes quite awhile to cobble a steaming pile of shit together.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at November 27, 2012 01:23 PM (GgupS)

32 Because it's what plants crave.

Posted by: American's Free Shit Army at November 27, 2012 01:23 PM (qs9G3)

33 You cracka ass bitches lost because you didn't have our LORD AND SAVIOR ON THE TICKET.

Dumbass honkeys.

Posted by: Jamie Foxx at November 27, 2012 01:24 PM (UK9cE)

34 Yay, me!

Posted by: Pussy Riot at November 27, 2012 01:24 PM (OOML8)

35 28 18
Some arguments take 70 years 20 million dead people to play out.

Posted by: Soviet Union at November 27, 2012 01:20 PM (qs9G3)

FIFY.
Posted by: joncelli, beating a dead meme at November 27, 2012 01:22 PM (RD7QR)

That's merely a statistic.

Posted by: Stalin at November 27, 2012 01:24 PM (qs9G3)

36 They should just make it "The Welfare Slave"

Posted by: bigpale at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (u/h5q)

37
In other words, as Ann Coulter says: the only soldier a leftist likes is either dead or fake.

And the only conservative voice that the Left will allow to hit the airwaves is either a ninny or a caricature.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (9Q7Nu)

38 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (5DR1j)

39
The problem, as I keep saying, is larger than simple messaging, or about content, or about politics, even. It's about the complete capture of idea-transmitting institutions by the Gramsciite left and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.


This is what I mean when i say we have to start under camouflage. You can't come out and say, "Here's a conservative movie!" It has to be, 'Here's a movie!" The conservative nature of the film/book/tv show/website, etc, never need be discussed. the themes are what resonate with audiences/readers/viewers, etc. Once you start hammering a political or ideological message into every nook and cranny, you get laughable messes like "The Day After Tomorrow" or "The Happening."

It took decades for the commies to assert communism as Teh Awesome, and they did it by word-swapping and language manipulation. We need to do the same damn thing, but even craftier. We need to make movies people want to see, books they want to read, shows they want to watch, music they want to hear, websites they want to visit, without EVER telling them that what we're doing is deprogramming their leftist brainwashing. We have to make escapism educational.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (4df7R)

40 Shit the next 4 years are gonna be great of us.

Posted by: Iran/Russia/China at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (79ueO)

41 30 The problem with messaging something complex like conservatism is that it gets beat by "free shit" every time.

Every. Time.

Let. It. Burn.
It's gonna take some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM (GFM2b)

42 It goes to eleven.

Posted by: nigel tufnel at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM (qs9G3)

43 >>>This is what I mean when i say we have to start under camouflage. You can't come out and say, "Here's a conservative movie!" It has to be, 'Here's a movie!" The conservative nature of the film/book/tv show/website, etc, never need be discussed. the themes are what resonate with audiences/readers/viewers, etc. Once you start hammering a political or ideological message into every nook and cranny, you get laughable messes like "The Day After Tomorrow" or "The Happening."

this is the exact drum I'm banging.

Posted by: ace at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM (LCRYB)

44

Try being a conservative musician sometime.

I can't stand musicians.

Emotional wrecks to begin with, and as nasty as any academic.

Oh, and combine and musician with an academic, and it's a great stew of assholes and dickheads.

I did a purge after this anointment of the commie, I could not take it anymore, I don't give a shit if I never play with these people again...they made it personal, which it didn't need to be.





Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunny at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM (uN9N4)

45 Who's Julia and why do I want her life?

Julia Childs is dead, so that rules HER out.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:27 PM (UK9cE)

46
Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Vagina


I'd recommend using the more coloquial term, "Pussy." Then they can acknowledge their beloved Dear Leader at the same time as Sandra Fluke and the Code Pink 'hos.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:27 PM (4df7R)

47 And the only conservative voice that the Left will allow to hit the airwaves is either a ninny or a caricature.
Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:25 PM (9Q7Nu)
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Don't forget me!

Posted by: Richard Dreyfus as GOP Senator Bob Rumson at November 27, 2012 01:27 PM (jucos)

48 MK Ultra in a cowgirl outfit with twin guns . . .

Perfect for the thread. Thank you, Fox News, for that wonderful thought.

Posted by: The Q at November 27, 2012 01:27 PM (w4fEE)

49 or Alan Alda as a Republican on West Wing!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:28 PM (9Q7Nu)

50 Time couldmake the Person of the Year that twenty-something female who believes that access to free contraception is one of the pillarson whicha prosperous and stable societyis built. Time for the rest of us to accept and celebrate our new addlebrained and vajazzled masters.

Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2012 01:28 PM (jm/9g)

51 When reality is merely a social construct your puny logical arguments are nothing against my appeals to the greed of the ignorant mob!

Posted by: Obama, King of Kings and Lord of Lords at November 27, 2012 01:29 PM (qs9G3)

52 You don't know if you don't ask ... MPT (Maryland Public TV) aired four hours of the "Catholicism" seriesby Fr. Robert Barron. It may just be a matter of some people who have enriched themselves through the free enterprise system growing a spine...

Posted by: Stephen at November 27, 2012 01:29 PM (2HzUl)

53 Conservatives as a whole need to start playing the game by the lefts rules. Diversity law suits over ideology, true alternative medias, the list goes on and on. This is institutional capture at its finest. I was accepted to UCLA for a Phd once then unaccepted. Why? The guy I was going to work with, in hushed tones like he was admitting to enjoying kicking kittens, told me it was because the letters B Y and U were on my CV and the committee decided that I wasn't going to be able to fit in at 2008 era UCLA. To paraphrase what Ernie Pyle said after the Americans got their ass kicked at Kasserine Pass in North Africa. Until the Americans learn to fight with German rules the Americans are going to keep losing. You would think with the ass kicking the right keeps getting from all these groups we would recognize its possible to fight like a cornered animal and still keep our morality.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 27, 2012 01:29 PM (gkfSV)

54 As long as there are no consequences to the practicing stupid, we shall prevail!

Posted by: Obama, King of Kings and Lord of Lords at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (qs9G3)

55 Why the frick do we need a person of the year when we have the boy god king for prezzy?

Posted by: sTevo at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (qEYT0)

56 vagina for person of the year? Which vagina? I mean the regular vagina or the time of the month vagina?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (79ueO)

57
They are very effective at stifling. I hope that when my (yet to be conceived) grandchildren come of age they will have the opportunity that a free country offers.
I fear my children will live through some terrible years.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (+4mBJ)

58
It's so bizarre it's funny.

The Left's caricatures of conservatives/businesspeople seem to be based on Jon Corzine, a Democrat.

And their caricatures of conservative politicians seem to be based on another Democrat, Alan Grayson.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (9Q7Nu)

59 Time for the rest of us to accept and celebrate our new addlebrained and vajazzled masters.
Posted by: kallisto at November 27, 2012 01:28 PM (jm/9g)

That's funny. At least we know our masters put out. If they don't we can drug them, they'll take any damn thing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (3Y7RV)

60 We need to put efforts into try to take over some of these institutions that control our culture. We need cultural capital. As I've said before, buy a company like Disney and put in a board that shares our values. Its complicated and takes time, but this is what the libs have been doing for 100 years. We need to play catch-up.
We also can't keep ghettoizing ourselves, whether on blogs or on what TV we watch and our reps appear on. We should be filling the comment sections on all sorts of news websites, and places like CNET, etc. Liberalism has to be challenged everywhere. They can't have safe havens.
If we can't escape their ideas, they shouldn't be able to escape ours. We need to pop their bubble. We've established a foothold in the new media. Now its time to expand it.

Posted by: Iblis at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (9221z)

61 It's gonna take some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM

Well the last time that happened we ended up with the New Deal.

Posted by: Long Island at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (hl8SI)

62 The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.

The inherent virture of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

- Winston Churchill stolen from future polynikes

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (m2CN7)

63
I liked Hanson's ideas in his "Let Obama be Obama" piece - citing the fact that 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the US voted Obama, raise taxes more steeply on the mega-rich - as an alternative to caving in on the $250k and up tax increase.
The idea that we're the "party of the rich" hurt us more than anything last time. I'd rather be known as the party of small business than big business.
I'd still demand steep spending cuts (that actually happen now, not sometime in the future). I'd still warn everyone that taxing the rich won't solve any problems, will slow growth, and all the rest. But don't make "no tax increases for anyone" a hill to die on. We'll die on it, and everyone will get their taxes increased over our dead political corpse anyway. 250k and up is the opening salvo in the inevitable round of middle-class tax increases to come. We won't be around to fight any of that (or won't do so effectively) if we're marginalized.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (WLuv5)

64 I'm not Julia, my name is Lisa....

Posted by: Jessi Colter at November 27, 2012 01:32 PM (OOML8)

65 vagina for person of the year? Which vagina? I mean the regular vagina or the time of the month vagina?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:30 PM (79ueO)


I don't WANT my Red Wings.......

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:32 PM (UK9cE)

66 That's funny. At least we know our masters put out. If they don't we can drug them, they'll take any damn thing.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Wonders what Dagny thinks at November 27, 2012 01:31 PM (3Y7RV)
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And if we knock them up as a result we can rip the fruit from their crotches before they ripen. A win win win!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 27, 2012 01:32 PM (jucos)

67 Be deceived, by my name God is mocked! Whatsoever iniquities I am sowing we will surely not reap!

Posted by: Obama, King of Kings and Lord of Lords at November 27, 2012 01:32 PM (qs9G3)

68 Given that ace has been rhetorically pummeling us in an alley for eight and a half minutes to get us to "See What's Really Out There"

My analogy to "They Live" holds.

For god's sake, let's either put on the sunglasses or get ace some bubblegum.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 27, 2012 01:33 PM (RuUvx)

69 60
Amen!

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at November 27, 2012 01:33 PM (xV30b)

70 They can do a Kim Kardashian camel toe close up.


Or the code pink outfits they protested in a few months ago.

Posted by: Infidel at November 27, 2012 01:33 PM (O/fK8)

71 Well, if its a sandy ja jay jay your are seeking, look no further than Chrissy Matthews.

Posted by: sTevo at November 27, 2012 01:34 PM (qEYT0)

72 Obamaphone Lady for Person of the Year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:34 PM (8sCoq)

73 was Jim Messina nominated for 'Time's Woman of the Year'?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 27, 2012 01:34 PM (RuUvx)

74 Hitler was Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" once. Somehow this fits here.

Posted by: Mo the Girl at November 27, 2012 01:34 PM (Tcs5Q)

75
"It's gonna take some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up.



Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM

Well the last time that happened we ended up with the New Deal."

Followed up by Fat Man and Little Boy.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (8f9IY)

76 Jones is on to something.

Posted by: sTevo at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (qEYT0)

77 This is what I mean when i say we have to start under camouflage. You
can't come out and say, "Here's a conservative movie!" It has to be,
'Here's a movie!" The conservative nature of the film/book/tv
show/website, etc, never need be discussed.



The first rule of Conservative Conspiracy Club is...

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (QKKT0)

78 61 It's gonnatake some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM

Well the last time that happened we ended up with the New Deal.

True. But getting there wasn't painless. And once there, you shoveled if you wanted to eat.
Beats TARP.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (GFM2b)

79 73 "was Jim Messina nominated for 'Time's Woman of the Year'?"

Him and Harry Reid are up for a different Time award.

Jerry Sandusky is not allowed to win it 3 years running.

Posted by: The Q at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (w4fEE)

80 Nude protesters in Boehners office.

This is what the fuck we lost to. WTF?

Posted by: RWC at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (eG4Tj)

81
how about The Nipple as person of the year?

or Teat?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:36 PM (9Q7Nu)

82
Yep. To put it another way, it really is Hayek vs. Keynes.

Hayek promises true economic markets through hard work, talent and innovation thereby creating a society of abundance. Keynes promises money through govt. fiat and inflation creating a society of dependance.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 27, 2012 01:36 PM (n/ubI)

83 Obamaphone Lady for Person of the Year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio


Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:34 PM (8sCoq)



I'm on board for that. I WANT HER MAYOR of Cleveland.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:36 PM (UK9cE)

84 Delurking for a bit.

This is why I love those videos Bill Whittle does. He is a *fantastic* voice for conservatism. In his videos he makes very clear and concise arguments for our values and ideas and he does so in a calm and rational way that is very appealing. Every single person I have shown those videos to has come around to what he's saying by the end of one of the videos.

If we could get those some air time I think it would be a start. But as we all know getting the air time is the first problem, and I fear we have hit a point where it's a hurdle too high.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at November 27, 2012 01:36 PM (qFpRI)

85 I think an open hand, palm up is the person of the year.

Gimme.

As far as winning the culture goes, I think Amish had a point about learning from the Pelosi/Reid bad behavior machine.

I add: never apologize.

As for us Cons being reactionary and stodgy, who are the pc scolds, eh?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (QxSug)

86 I hate to ask, did curious dissapear? Seems I haven't heard much from here lately.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (yAor6)

87 Georgia O'Keefe approves. So does Judy Chicago.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (Lxw+T)

88 Yes, well a vagina is easily loved. It can be influential and a source of power. It can be a relentlessly persuasive. It can bring things to life and tempt even the most chaste amongst us. It can be ridden ad naseum and never tire from the abuse.

Posted by: marcus at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

89 I love the "Here's a movie!" idea. It needs to happen.

And it wouldn't even be all that hard.

Take, for instance, the War Movie. War movies make lots of money every time they're tried (well, unless they're explicitly anti-military war movies). How do you make a war movie (which should mostly be about explosions and people getting shot) be Conservative? The characters.

We take their formula (where the Main Character is screwed up can only be saved by one or all of the others) and drop it on its head. In our formulation, the Main Character is the paragon of virtue. It's not that he never makes hard choices, but that he makes right choices. Then the supporting cast are each representations of his various aspects taken too far.

There's the Gung-ho dude who doesn't know when it's time to retreat. There's the Tactical dude who thinks so much about the "what ifs" he's constantly second guessing the Main Character. There's the Merciful dude who is willing to sacrifice his own team's safety instead of shooting people who are obviously enemies, just because they aren't armed right then (or whatever). There's the psycho dude who wants to kill everyone "and let God sort 'em out."

And you can do that with other movie types, too. For instance, I've suggested the Rom/Com in which both the principle characters are virtuous and the conflict comes not from one party lying to the other (even by omission) but because one party tells an ugly truth, and the other has to come to terms with it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (5DR1j)

90 One question about Vaginaperson of the Year.

Brazilian or fully shaved?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 01:38 PM (Lxw+T)

91 this is the exact drum I'm banging.

Posted by: ace at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM (LCRYB)


So we need to follow Gramsci's playbook. Gonna take a long time, but it's gotta be done.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 27, 2012 01:38 PM (kqqGm)

92 The first rule of Conservative Conspiracy Club is...
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 27, 2012 01:35 PM (QKKT0)


You can get your super-secret decoder ring from the lost and found at Logan Airport. At the desk, ask for "The package from Louis Duck to Emily Gables." Bring a Tootsie Pop to bribe the clerk if he or she is new to the job.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:38 PM (4df7R)

93 >>>We also can't keep ghettoizing ourselves, whether on blogs or on what TV we watch and our reps appear on. We should be filling the comment sections on all sorts of news websites, and places like CNET, etc.

This is the word I've been thinking of a lot -- "ghettoized/ghettoization."

The current model of right media, as an "alternative" or shadow media, is inherently ghettoizing as we first define ourselves explicitly as conservative and "alternative."

Posted by: ace at November 27, 2012 01:38 PM (LCRYB)

94
Well . . . we have been catering to the vagina since Eve. So - I guess the Republican Party might as well. It's always been all about the Vag.
Make it our party policy like the Dems have.
Vagina 24/7.Bring it on.

Posted by: builder at November 27, 2012 01:39 PM (Wl/zN)

95
"Well the last time that happened we ended up with the New Deal."

That's what I'm talking about. Reminds me of all that 2010 talk of "constitutional conventions." If one was actually held today, what it would produce would be Frankenstein to Madison's Adam.

Steal a line from Pelosi's playbook this time - make the tax increases sunset. Make the Congress revisit the question so we can keep saying "we gave you your tax increases - where are your spending cuts." Not every 5 or 10 years - every year. The public doesn't remember the last round of tax/spend debates - we do. We remember Bush I getting screwed on spending cuts. We remember Reagan getting screwed on border enforcement. HoneyBooBoo voters don't. Keep the issue fresh.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at November 27, 2012 01:39 PM (WLuv5)

96 I knew vagina and you dear are no.....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:40 PM (79ueO)

97 89 Allen,

Main character > Paragon of virtue.
Two words.
John Wayne.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:40 PM (GFM2b)

98 For the cover photo, Time can just use that failed logo from The Dallas Stars from a few years back. Looked like the female reproductive system......

http://scoamf.us/4e

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:41 PM (UK9cE)

99 More evidence that we are in the midst of a culture that requires cult of personality, we are officially a banana republic. From the NY Post,

It didn't work for Ohio State fans, who petitioned President Obama to pardon their NCAA-sanctioned team so the Buckeyes could play in a bowl game this year, but now Dallas Cowboys fans will give it a shot.
Fans of America's team, which sits at 5-6 in the NFC East -- two games behind the rival Giants -- created a petition on the White House's website to get owner Jerry Jones impeached from his position with the team. Jones, who purchased the Cowboys in 1989, has been in charge of football operations ever since, and has stated he has no plans to give up control any time soon -- although he did say several weeks ago that he probably would have fired himself already. The Cowboys have won one playoff game since 1996.
The petition, in full reads:
“We, the Citizens of the Great State of Texas, and Dallas Cowboys fans worldwide, have been oppressed by an over controlling, delusional, oppressive dictator for way too long. Request the Executive Branch’s immediate assistance in removal of owner and GM, Jerry Jones. His incompetence and ego have not only been an extreme disappointment for way too long, but moreover, it has caused extreme mental and emotional duress.”
According to the Dallas Morning News, the petition didn't even have 100 signatures, while 25,000 are needed for a petition to even be considered.


So the JEF determines who plays in what competitions, and who is allowed to own sports teams? That is the perception

Posted by: Thunderb at November 27, 2012 01:41 PM (Dnbau)

100 It's gonnatake some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up.



Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:26 PM




Except back then people wanted to work and being on the dole wasn't funemployment. It seems that too many people don't care or pay attention to the mess that will affect their lives or they'd rather believe in the war on womyn BS.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 27, 2012 01:41 PM (1Jaio)

101



Naked Libs Storm Boehner’s Office To Protest Fiscal Cliff Spending Cuts…

Because who doesn’t take the demands of naked people seriously?


Weasel Zippers. I think I recognize one of those vaginas?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:41 PM (79ueO)

102 Manatee vagina. Covers all the bases.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (Lxw+T)

103 Main character > Paragon of virtue.

Two words.

John Wayne.


Yeah, I know. And they occasionally come out despite the Media's best attempts. But they're rare, nowadays.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (5DR1j)

104 What a piece of work is a vagina, How noble in

Reason, how infinite in faculties, in form and moving

how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel!

in apprehension how like a god, the beauty of the

world, the paragon of animals. and yet to me, what is

this quintessence of dust? Vagina delights not me; no,

nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seeme

to say so

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!! at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (KXm42)

105 Yep. To put it another way, it really is Hayek vs. Keynes.

I don't see Hayek and Keynes as opposites. Hayek's point was that "planned economies" lead inevitably to authoritarianism and poverty. Keynes' point was that an interventionist government can manage cyclical economic downturns by dumping money into the economy at appropriate times.

Hayek's opposite number philosophically would be the Karl Marx and other socialist theorists, not Keynes, IMO.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (QKKT0)

106 look, the GOP House is going to fold. Like they always do. No matter how much power we have in DC, we fold.

fine.

If there's a culture war, then we need ammo. I don't know if there are any rich people left who care about the GOP but if there are, maybe they should hire some PR firms who can look into this stuff.

BTW, fox news isn't ghettoized because Fox is a real channel with a real culture war axe to grind against fox news america. Maybe Fox can hire some writers or fire some producers to make things fall into line.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (QxSug)

107 It's not just a vagina, it's a vajazzle.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (Lxw+T)

108
The New Great Depression 2.0 (starting in a country near you real soon) will CEMENT the Democrat Majority because the narrative will be that the Republicans (Bush!!!) and Capitalism were the causes.

This has been said here many times, but it does bear repeating until we all know it.

The propaganda in the 1930's was pretty thorough.All the media of the time (newspapers, etc) were pretty much for FDR. I use to have copies of a few old newspapers from the 1930's that my mother had saved, and reading articles and editorials with the hindsight of history is pretty breathtaking. Just the writing and grammar were somewhat better.

Interesting that the curmudgeon "Progressive" H.L. Mencken did not like Roosevelt and said so, and his peers in the media of the day all turned on him, and his popularity plummeted.

The Media today is not so nearly in lockstep, but the organs of the Federal Government can find ways to harass and intimidate dissent, push it into the margins (which they have and are still doing).

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch is Eddie Willers at November 27, 2012 01:43 PM (RFeQD)

109 Yes, Vagina. There is a Santa Claus.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 01:43 PM (Lxw+T)

110 Democratic Vagina: roaches go in but they don't come out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:43 PM (79ueO)

111 And here I thought it was just a clever way of calling the electorate pussies...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, with gasoline and matches, looking innocent at November 27, 2012 01:44 PM (GBXon)

112 And you can do that with other movie types, too. For instance, I've suggested the Rom/Com in which both the principle characters are virtuous and the conflict comes not from one party lying to the other (even by omission) but because one party tells an ugly truth, and the other has to come to terms with it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:37 PM (5DR1j)


Absolutely. I'd say we need to START with things like rom coms and the like, because they're cheap and fast and appeal to idiots (sorry, i mean women), of which there are many.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:44 PM (4df7R)

113 Hayek is pretty hot you gotta admit.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!! at November 27, 2012 01:44 PM (KXm42)

114 >Obamaphone Lady for Person of the Year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio



think about it- this woman perfectly represents the society that feels entitled to, no, DEMANDS and EXPECTS government handouts for day to day survival. She represents the voters who re-elected one of the most incompetent and anti-American presidents in our history.

Obamaphone Lady is the new American electoral majority, wholly created by the Democratic Party, and paid for with our tax dollars.

Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (8sCoq)

115 'let it burn' eh?


Conservatives will put the flames out but get blamed for starting the fire


the worse things get, the more people will vote for Free Sh*t

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (Dll6b)

116 “We, the Citizens of the Great State of Texas, and
Dallas Cowboys fans worldwide, have been oppressed by an over
controlling, delusional, oppressive dictator for way too long. Request
the Executive Branch’s immediate assistance in removal of owner and GM,
Jerry Jones. His incompetence and ego have not only been an extreme
disappointment for way too long, but moreover, it has caused extreme
mental and emotional duress.”

According to the Dallas Morning News, the petition didn't even have
100 signatures, while 25,000 are needed for a petition to even be
considered.





So the JEF determines who plays in what competitions, and who is allowed to own sports teams? That is the perception

Posted by: Thunderb at November 27, 2012 01:41 PM (Dnbau)


How about you dumbfucks quit PAYING HIM!!!!!

I bet he'll change his tune then.


Capitalism. HOW. DO. IT. FUNCTION?!?

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (UK9cE)

117 FB - Obvious Obama voter commenting on Powerball:

Wow, thats a lot of money! You could give every person in the country 1 million dollars, and still have 200M left over.

Posted by: IBT at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (2t6Gz)

118 Yeah, I know. And they occasionally come out despite the Media's best attempts. But they're rare, nowadays.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:42 PM (5DR1j)


The best are the ones that are SUPPOSED to be leftist heroes and are, in fact, the complete opposite. Like most of Joss Whedon's characters.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (4df7R)

119 Times Person of the Year:
Top hole. Doggy style.
Covers everything.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (GFM2b)

120 So I'm in ToysRUs with my wife the other day when we hear loud cursing from one of three young black women standing with a black guy.

My wife isn't the confrontational sort, but she was so outraged by the lack of respect that she marched up to the "lady" dropping the F-bombs and told her that there are young children all around and to please mind her language.

The scrunt she was addressing stared at her with contempt. As her eyes began to narrow, I locked on to the male in the group and just gave him a blank stare that said, "I see you there. See what happens if you start any trouble.

After a brief silence, my wife and I walked away. There was no more cursing. But afterward, I realized something... there was a time in my life when I would have told you that a man should NEVER hit a woman unless his life was in danger.

But as I saw that bitch contemplating maybe getting physical with my wife, I was already preparing to fuck her shit up in the worst way. I'm not talking about intervening and pulling her away from my wife, I'm talking smashing her into the ground and stomping her face.

What that says about me and the culture's effect on me, I don't know. What I do know is that I'm not having any of this shit. Not when it comes to my family. My wife isn't a fighter, but I am. Fuck with her or my kids and I'm putting you in the hospital -- I don't give a shit if you have a vagina or not.

Posted by: Warden at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (0DlnM)

121 Julia, the vagina host, for person of the year

Posted by: Thunderb at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (Dnbau)

122 Part of the problem is the dearth of Bill Buckleys and Milton Friedmans in the modern age.

Most of what we have now are shrieking info-tainers more interested in pandering exclusively to their already conservative audience for ratings.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (SY2Kh)

123 A commenter?

Posted by: marcus at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (GGCsk)

124 The Senate will likely place a hold on anyone President Barack Obama nominates to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, according to Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R., N.H.).

“There will be a hold” until the Obama administration fully answers lingering questions surrounding the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Ayotte told a group of reporters Tuesday afternoon during a conference organized by the Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI).

“My view is we should hold on this until we get sufficient information from the administration because there are questions that need to be answered,” she said.

A “hold” is a parliamentary rule that allows any senator to delay action in the Senate.


I guess Kelly has a set of balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (79ueO)

125 #93 Ace, I think this has been part of the Left's plan, they have failed to outright kill conservative media, so they have herded us into our little corners of the Web and we seem content to stay there. When we venture out they have spiked clubs labeled "racism," "homophobia, "sexism," etc. We get tired of being clubbed. So we go back to our corners and preach and joke to each other, and we stop venturing out.

I've found myself spending less and less time on this and other blogs and more on Twitter. First, it is good discipline to have to make a point in 140 characters. Second, you can troll and argue to your heart's content. You can follow liberals or get on their hashtags to see what they are saying and how they are saying it. Conservatives have made a lot of headway on Twitter. Jim Treacher pretty much singlehandedly killed the Seamus'on-the-roof attck on Mitt Romney with his Obama Ate A Dog stuff on Twitter. We are abusing Obama with hashtags that are driving liberals nuts.

Posted by: rockmom at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (aBlZ1)

126 Who cares who's on the cover of a dying magazine / propaganda rag?????????


put a copy of their financial statement on the 'cover'



Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (Dll6b)

127 Great Depression 2.0 seems to be following 1.0's trajectory.

And my "who farted strategy" is one reason why. God forbid a GOP candidate defends Bush or something. No, we, as a party, must always be embarrassed by our own side.

W may not have been perfect but he did a good job considering where we are now. You can compare and contrast every data point from 2001-2005 to 2008-2012 and see.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (QxSug)

128 and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.

Yep, even liberal Juan Williams was attacked by the leftists at npr. Course, he never quite learned the lesson.

Also "blacklisting".......racist!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (n/ubI)

129 'let it burn' eh?


Conservatives will put the flames out but get blamed for starting the fire


Sometimes useful attitudes come out of the ashes of a tragedy.

Posted by: The Nazis, 1933 at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (QKKT0)

130
Why make fun of democrats for making crude appeals to women? It worked.

Posted by: MJ at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (TR60b)

131 Lawrence of Arabia's Fifteen Principles:

1. Strive above all to win hearts and minds
2. Establish an unassailable base
3. Remain strategically dispersed
4. Make maximum use of mobility
5. Operate mainly in small, local groups
6. Remain largely detached from the enemy
7. Do not attempt to hold ground
8. Operate in depth rather than en face
9. Aim for perfect intelligence about the enemy
10. Concentrate only for momentary tactical superiority
11. Strike only when the enemy can be taken by surprise
12. Never engage in sustained combat
13. Always have lines of retreat open
14. Make war on materiel rather than on men
15. Make a virtue of the individuality, irregularity, and unpredictability of guerrillas

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (ON54M)

132 We also can't keep ghettoizing ourselves, whether on blogs or on what TV we watch and our reps appear on. We should be filling the comment sections on all sorts of news websites, and places like CNET, etc.

Something I've noticed on Insty lately is that pretty much any time he links to something patently stupid the comments there are completely taken over by non-liberals. It's a lot of fun to read an unthinking libtard article followed by 10 pages of people explaining how the article sucks, especially when it's at a supposedly non-political site.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (B/VB5)

133 Its not the conservative movies that are not made but the liberal movies that are made.

Almost all of the top grossing Super Hero movies havea conservative message. Almost all of the top grossing animated movies have a conservative message. Almost all action heromovies have a conservative message.

Law abiding people whether they want to believe it or not lean toward the conservative message but a conservative message in real life is much of the time a hard message and not for the weak willed. Movies are fantasy outlets for the weak willed. They use the liberal movies to justify there real life positions.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (m2CN7)

134 Shove in a giant tampon and give it a couple of Midols and maybe it will shut up.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 27, 2012 01:49 PM (TYO2p)

135 How awesome would it have been if Boener invited one of the nekkids into his office for a serious discussion on the matter they're protesting........

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 01:49 PM (UK9cE)

136 The best are the ones that are SUPPOSED to be leftist heroes and are, in
fact, the complete opposite. Like most of Joss Whedon's characters.


Mal Reynolds for President.

Seriously, the Cognitive Dissonance must be very, very strong with Joss Whedon.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:49 PM (5DR1j)

137
Keynes was a Fabian Socialist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 27, 2012 01:50 PM (n/ubI)

138 I guess Kelly has a set of balls
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (79ueO)

seems alot of the right's balls reside with the ladies

Posted by: Thunderb at November 27, 2012 01:50 PM (Dnbau)

139 115

As my dad would frequently tell me, "want in one hand, and shit in the other. See which one fills up the quickest".
The FSA can want all they want, but when the well runs dry, ........

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:51 PM (GFM2b)

140 I think what hurts most about losing 2012 is that we'll never be able to ban tampons now.

there goes the culture.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:51 PM (QxSug)

141 warden, you violated Derbyshire's Rules


you're lucky you didn't become the subject of one of the many Daily Mail stories about victims of Holder's People violence


Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 27, 2012 01:51 PM (Dll6b)

142 I guess Kelly has a set of balls
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 27, 2012 01:47 PM (79ueO)


I pray she doesn't lose them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at November 27, 2012 01:51 PM (4df7R)

143 I don't get what's got broads so upset.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 27, 2012 01:51 PM (7vSU0)

144 What are Derbyshire's Rules?

Posted by: Warden at November 27, 2012 01:52 PM (0DlnM)

145 @136 lefty heroes

I here ya. Lefties dream of right wing dystopias but all the real world dystopias out there are left built.

But.

The left finally has an action star it can root for: Jason Bourne. As he fights the evil USA CIA.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:52 PM (QxSug)

146 Posted by: Warden at November 27, 2012 01:46 PM (0DlnM)

Yep.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (m2CN7)

147 Because if it's never say anything to a young black person who's out of line, fuck that. That's part of the goddamned problem. I'm not afraid of someone's pigment.

Posted by: Warden at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (0DlnM)

148 I hate to ask, did curious dissapear? Seems I haven't heard much from here lately.

You like to chant "Candyman" five times in front of a mirror, don't you?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (SY2Kh)

149 what can you do, Warden? poor people love to curse in public.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (QxSug)

150 Almost all of the top grossing Super Hero movies havea conservative
message. Almost all of the top grossing animated movies have a
conservative message. Almost all action heromovies have a conservative
message.


Which is why I agree with MWR, and think we need to start focusing on Rom/Coms and "Dramas" for our conservative messages.

It's also why I'm conflicted about boycotting Hollywood. When something comes out with a conservative message, I want to support it- because it deserves support. On the other hand, I know that's just financing the crappy LibTard movies that are going to come out next year or the year after.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (5DR1j)

151 google "John Derbyshire the talk"

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at November 27, 2012 01:53 PM (Dll6b)

152 @147 well, if you can take of yourself, then why not?

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:54 PM (QxSug)

153
Yeah, this is the time of the year I get a really warped sense of Christmas spirit.

When I see people acting stupid, I want to slap them and remind them it's Christmas time, you assholes!

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:54 PM (9Q7Nu)

154 Seriously, the Cognitive Dissonance must be very, very strong with Joss Whedon.

Whedon says he gets into the character's head and writes what they'd actually say, regardless of his own opinions.

I actually believe it more than ever after seeing the Avengers. Atheists pitched a minor shitstorm because Captain America says "There's only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure He doesn't dress like that". It's a pitch-perfect character moment, much like Mal's "I aim to misbehave".

Posted by: Ian S. at November 27, 2012 01:54 PM (B/VB5)

155 The surrender into hell continues;

>GOP lawmakers float immigration reform plan<

What could go wrong?

http://tinyurl.com/d8e36tk

Posted by: marcus at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (GGCsk)

156 speaking of RomComs. Anyone remember Family Stone?

That was a terrible PC drudgefest of gay siblings, ruined marriages, awful PC shills.

Fix the culture by making fun of the leftoid PC shits.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (QxSug)

157 I here ya. Lefties dream of right wing dystopias but all the real world dystopias out there are left built.

Believe it or not George Lucas thought of THX1138 as a capitalist dytopia.

He didn't even know what his own freaking movie was about.

Posted by: eleven - Go Raiders!! at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (KXm42)

158 The left finally has an action star it can root for: Jason Bourne. As he fights the evil USA CIA.

This aggravates the crap out of me. The (original) Jason Bourne novels (I haven't read the new ones) were about a CIA Hero who chose to essentially give himself MPD to stop America's enemies. The CIA were the good guys.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (5DR1j)

159 But only leftist vaginas, right? Because if its conservative, its not a real vagina.

Posted by: Golan Globus at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (7vSU0)

160 156

Remake of Soap.

Posted by: rickb223 Let It Burn at November 27, 2012 01:56 PM (GFM2b)

161 Oh wait - there are still folks that think the GOP can win national elections. My bad.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 27, 2012 01:56 PM (hNXHo)

162 The problem, as I keep saying, is larger than simple messaging, or about content, or about politics, even. It's about the complete capture of idea-transmitting institutions by the Gramsciite left and the almost complete blacklisting of any contrary voice.

And then comes a David Mamet. A celebrated playwright who wakes up.

CSPAN featured him giving some great remarks recently.Great stuff. Check it out when you can.

http://tinyurl.com/c3tbje5

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 01:56 PM (9KqcB)

163 All the points Ace made are so obviously true that only a deliberate liar would attempt to refute them. Thus I think it is reasonable to conclude that we have suffered de facto disenfranchisement. What, then, is the right response? The state is now illegitimate because the funtions of society that gave it legitimacy have been wholly subverted. For me, in my despair, the conclusion is that we must either work to live well while subverting the system or we must escape it and rob it of our strength and productivity. For now I must do the former, but I am making preparations to do the latter.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 27, 2012 01:56 PM (M1pvr)

164 The CIA were the good guys.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (5DR1j)


You're a funny guy, AllenG.

Posted by: Hollywood & Madison Ave at November 27, 2012 01:56 PM (Dll6b)

165 That was a terrible PC drudgefest of gay siblings, ruined marriages, awful PC shills.


Oh. So "The New Normal" and "Modern Family." Right then. (No, I don't watch them. I don't have to to know what they're about).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:57 PM (5DR1j)

166 @159.

Right, because she's not a women, she's a republican.

BTW, it's sexist or would have been sexist to reply to the war on women by quoting insane lefty hate filled hate against GOP women.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:57 PM (QxSug)

167 I guess I agree with ace's sentiments but if you believe capitalism is a manifestation of evolutionary psychology, or even if you believe a god put these regular functions in your head, then you should know the Left's stranglehold on the institutions that disseminate information is leading to its demise.

Let them have the old and dying structures. They're old and dying. Let's focus on the parallel systems that will replace them.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 27, 2012 01:59 PM (6d5GW)

168 nood

Posted by: soothsayer at November 27, 2012 01:59 PM (9Q7Nu)

169 Who wouldn't vote for a vagina?

Well- we'd lose the gay male vote for sure.

Posted by: marcus at November 27, 2012 01:59 PM (GGCsk)

170 That was a terrible PC drudgefest of gay siblings, ruined marriages, awful PC shills.


Oh. So "The New Normal" and "Modern Family." Right then. (No, I don't watch them. I don't have to to know what they're about).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at Novemb

don't forget "Glee!", probably the number 1 reason todays youth think gay marriage is the most important issue of our day

Posted by: Thunderb at November 27, 2012 01:59 PM (Dnbau)

171 Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 01:48 PM (QxSug)

Sorry man, but W set the cause of limited government back 30 years. He was wrong on entitlements, immigration and education - sold us out on all three. At a time when we controlled all branches of government and could finally implement what we've been yammering about for decades. Sold us out. He sucked.

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:00 PM (9KqcB)

172 well, it's like this, folks. As the immigration for the sake of immigration movement moves towards more immigration of folks who want free shit and more immigration progresses, the new populace will eventually tire of asking for free shit once (and I am using the words of some lefty asshole in another thread) all the old white men die (because old white women don't die or something), they'll then start paying attention to the governance of the country.

so, maybe, in 50 years or so, the ship will restabilize.

and remember, immigration is a losing issue. for the left. That's why we're not allowed to discuss it.

and remember, our alleged hatred is already baked in the electoral mindset, so embrace it.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 02:01 PM (QxSug)

173 CNN reporting Hillary Clinton has a 67% approval rating.

Your next presidential candidate, ladies and gentleman.


They all still think Bill was awesome.

Posted by: © Sponge at November 27, 2012 02:02 PM (UK9cE)

174 >>The current model of right media, as an "alternative" or shadow media,
is inherently ghettoizing as we first define ourselves explicitly as
conservative and "alternative."

And yet another word to describe this, using charged words the left likes to use, is segregation.

Posted by: angler at November 27, 2012 02:02 PM (SwjAj)

175 CJ, oh yeah, he was an open borders nut who didn't fight for his judges but he did try to fix things.

He failed because our party is a bunch of pussies when it came to fixing social security.

But compare and contrast.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 02:03 PM (QxSug)

176 Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:00 PM (9KqcB)

Your simplistic and in my opinion inaccurate bumpersticker criticismlacks theoompf of the left's criticism of Bush. I know you can do better.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 02:03 PM (m2CN7)

177
Time?

There used to be a magazine by that name, didn't there?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 27, 2012 02:04 PM (Mxt9o)

178 I think I could offer some stiff competition.

Posted by: Penis at November 27, 2012 02:04 PM (iAUf+)

179 Meanwhile, liberals' messages were all about a very simple Kindergarten concept -- fairness -- and very direct effects.

I've always said "How do they ever lose and election?" They have:

1. Simplicity: If a person is poor, vote for me and I will give them money. Homeless? Affordable housing. Sick? Free healthcare.

2. Pain-Free: Vote for me and raise your neighbor's taxes, not yours.

3. Demographics: Vote for me and I'll see to it that more people that look like you can enter the country.

4. Opinion-Shapers: Vote for me, every news anchor, professor, rock star and actor you know agrees with me.

How do they ever lose?

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:06 PM (9KqcB)

180 The left finally has an action star it can root for: Jason Bourne. As he fights the evil USA CIA.

This
aggravates the crap out of me. The (original) Jason Bourne novels (I
haven't read the new ones) were about a CIA Hero who chose to
essentially give himself MPD to stop America's enemies. The CIA were the
good guys.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at November 27, 2012 01:55 PM (5DR1j)



Hollywood change a story to be PC or fit their agenda. I think of Sum of All Fears, can't have Arab terrorists in the movie version make them Nazis. Because there have never been any Arabs out to blow the shit out of America

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 27, 2012 02:06 PM (1Jaio)

181 lolz, the pentagon reclassified 9-11 as work place violence.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 02:07 PM (QxSug)

182 Whenever i see the word 'Republican' in these threads I see 'Democrat Lite'.

I don't think conservatives can depend on Republicans for squat. I think i read it in someone's comment the other day...'Democrats are robbing us while Republicans drive the get-away car. Sometimes they switch places.'

LIB

Posted by: Comrade Trainer at November 27, 2012 02:08 PM (QbdUW)

183 Your simplistic and in my opinion inaccurate bumpersticker criticismlacks theoompf of the left's criticism of Bush. I know you can do better.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 02:03 PM (m2CN7)

That's because I am criticizing him from the right. Just like I did when he was still president. I've given longer, detailed critiques of his tenure and what it did to the Right. I think they are available atAmazon.

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:08 PM (9KqcB)

184 Modern Family at least pokes fun at gays. They aren't treated as sacred cows.

Glee sucks big time. It makes you think that all gay teens are abused and have nowhere to turn. The program shows assault after assault with the school doing nothing. Not once do they have anyone call the fucking police.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 27, 2012 02:09 PM (TYO2p)

185 speaking of ghettoization. The old media is dying. GOP ilk can start busting up and setting up in the new media. Like how we win twitter hashtag wars.

Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 02:09 PM (QxSug)

186 "You like to chant "Candyman" five times in front of a mirror, don't you?"

and I do it in the nude...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, Go Bucs! Go Heat! at November 27, 2012 02:11 PM (yAor6)

187 Posted by: joeindc44 says choom on fuckers at November 27, 2012 02:03 PM (QxSug)

Was W better than Obama? Of course.

But consider that we went from Reagan, who wanted to abolish the Education Department on the solid, constitutional and practical grounds that it was not the domain of the federal government, to Bush, who engineered a virtual federal takeover of schools. It wasn't just bad policy, it made three decades of thoughtful conservative opinion on the subject look foolish.

And he did it solelyto get re-elected. He's a good man and was great on security (though his oopsie on WMD's was embarrassing) but, like his dad, he wasn't really grounded philisophically on domestic issues.

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:15 PM (9KqcB)

188 Personally, I'm partial to the strawman. He kicked ass all year long.

Posted by: Dave S. at November 27, 2012 02:18 PM (ma+gB)

189 Who WON'T make the Time's POTY list:

"Dratwa, 26, is originally Belgian and heads the Israeli Defense Forces new media desk, active in engaging Israel's supporters and critics on social media. Dratwa appears to be smeared in mud from the Dead Sea, a popular activity for many visiting and living in Israel. As a spokesman for the Israeli Military, Dratwa is under fire for posted on his Facebook page his photo captioned "Obama style" in which his face is smeared with mud."

http://tinyurl.com/cnhsf8m

"active in engaging Israel's critics" to say the least


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 02:22 PM (BAnPT)

190 >Suggestion for Time's Person of the Year: The Vagina
the cover photo is going to be a problem
Posted by: Jones in CO at November 27, 2012 01:19 PM (8sCoq)


Be glad it's not one of those scratch 'n sniff covers.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 27, 2012 02:23 PM (zF6Iw)

191 Adam Smith had to create a metaphor with tangible form and heft -- "the Invisible Hand"

Unfortunately socialized gubmint will have consequences, sometimes referred to as "the Invisible Pimp Hand."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows 47% got a fever and Uncle Sugar is the only cure at November 27, 2012 02:23 PM (Lxw+T)

192 @ 120 Warden

I was on line at the Fordham Road DMV, and there was this woman behind me cursing a blue streak on the phone with a toddler. Then she started cursing at the kid for wanting a lollypop or something, and all I could think of was how that poor kids life was already ruined. Its amazing.

Posted by: Iblis at November 27, 2012 02:23 PM (9221z)

193 Forget it, Ace.

It's Vaginatown.

Posted by: fluffy at November 27, 2012 02:29 PM (3SvjA)

194 Time's Person of the Year? Honey Boo Boo. Hands down.

Posted by: CraigPoe at November 27, 2012 02:33 PM (BVkEs)

195 At least I like vaginas. That's more than I can say for ol' Sandy Fluke.

Posted by: Aaron at November 27, 2012 02:35 PM (Tlix5)

196 And he did it solelyto get re-elected. He's a good man and was great on security (though his oopsie on WMD's was embarrassing) but, like his dad, he wasn't really grounded philisophically on domestic issues.
Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 02:15 PM (9KqcB)

That is so inaccurate that it could be considered intentional. Bush campaigned on school reform in 2000. It was not a pander. Its main thrust was accountability. It has not been proven to be a failure in the least. And you sound like the left in describing the WMD issue.

Andyou saying that Reagan wanted to aboslish the Education Department means squat. Did Reagan abolish theEducation department or did the budget for the Education Department increase? Bush wanted toreformSocial Security and touched that rail that Reagan would not.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 02:39 PM (m2CN7)

197
OT: Here's an interesting site showcasing to the guns used on Boardwalk Empire: http://goo.gl/Rbe9M

With 5 handguns, a shotgun, and a sniper rifle, Richard Harrow is set to go all medieval. Now is not the time to visit any whore houses.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 27, 2012 02:40 PM (TYO2p)

198 "Let. It. Burn. It's gonna take some good old Great Depression shit to wake the slackers up."
And when they wake up, does anyone really think they will say, "Wow, I was wrong all this time. 'Free stuff' doesn't work as a real world solution. No such thing as a free lunch when it's extracted from someone else's hide. I need to roll my sleeves up and get to work now that I've seen the light."?

My education into how long the effect of a crisis might last was 9-11. That wasREALLY a wake up call of the nth degree. Which lasted for liberals andthe 'low information' types a few months at best before they reverted to their natural selves.

A more analogous situation might be Greece and their fiscal crisis. The nanny staters there are jumping all over themselves to take responsibility for their lives and destiny aren't they?

"Waaaaah. We don't like being attacked but we have to be PC and we can't profile at airports. And it kind of was, like maybe sorta our fault to begin with. Just make it all go away. And close that evil Gitmo and prosecute Bush. He's a terrorist himself attacking innocent people, and he lied us into war. We used to get all kinds of free stuff, and we don't want to hear we can't have as much anymore. Fix it, now! Throw anyone out who even thinks about taking our stuff away. Waaaaah."

Posted by: RM at November 27, 2012 02:40 PM (TRsME)

199
What is it about women voting with their vajayjays?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 27, 2012 02:43 PM (1hM1d)

200
A more analogous situation might be Greece and their fiscal crisis. The nanny staters there are jumping all over themselves to take responsibility for their lives and destiny aren't they?

Of course not. They believe they will still get bailed out. You can't fix your dependency until you hit rock bottom. They haven't hit rock bottom, and neither have we.

When we do hit rock bottom, and your choices are working hard and getting by and starving they'll still hold out hope that someone will give them a scrap of food. Until it doesn't happen. Then they'll either die of starvation, attempt to take by force food from others (and probably die trying), or roll up their sleeves and start busting their asses.

Mother Nature is a harsh mistress.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at November 27, 2012 02:48 PM (1hM1d)

201 "Mother Nature is a harsh mistress."

True dat.

Posted by: RM at November 27, 2012 02:51 PM (TRsME)

202 187 CJ

No, all in all, Bush was not "better than" Obama. Similarities, differences, of course.

He not only overspent like Obama, but he enacted the Patriot Act and DHS which certainly are boondoggles that function contrary to propaganda promises influencing legislative passage. There isn't a piece of legislation that Bush enacted from his own agenda that hasn't proven to squander tax dollars and squash the Bill of Rights. It was Bush, not Obama, who started the obtusely foolish TSA. It was Bush who started the federal program usurping religious freedom as a faith-based initiative. Bush added to the ineffective public educational process and costs via "no child left behind." And when fiat money is printed and spent without congressional oversight, thank Bush whose executive order declared the Office of Treasury Secretary as autonomous, beholden to no one.

If support for an agenda is based on an image that you've bought into, have the guts to admit as much. Yes, the Bush family is very patriotic, well mannered, and completely insulated.

Look at the destruction sown on the basis of public trust in American patriotism abused by our presidents. Begin with the loss of this most recent patriotic generation of young adults volunteering into our Military. Aside from the Bush suicidal rules of engagement, they are stuck being perpetually redeployed in never-ending wars supposedly to sell Western "democratic" ideology to "nation build" (by destroying) Middle Eastern civilizations. So many people destroyed; so much liberty lost. Even Bush's initial propaganda to establish permanent US Military Installations in Iraq in order to prevent Iran's influence in the region came to naught.

The NATO/US-deployed-funded illegal war to destroy Libya is Obama's extension of Bush's international interventionist war. Italy and France demanded to pirate Libya's Central Bank. What have the Libyans now? Gaddafi had actually built the Libyan nation from its oil profits, providing food, housing, medical care, and education FREE to Libyans. And women had more liberty under Gaddafi's rule than they do now, much more than they will as the Wahhabi Muslim Brotherhood educated barbarian misogynists overwhelm the Middle East on behalf of the Saudi global caliphate (to be).

Get a grip. No thanks to GWB, "we" are not simply making matters worse, but are lying to everyone, beginning with ourselves. There is no justification for genocide. And the genocides resulting from US interventionist wars (to profit global corporations, not US taxpayers let alone US workers) occur amongst the indigenous Buddhists, Christians, and every religious minority sect that proffers societal harmony and peace, leaving the power in the hands of the most egregious Wahhabi monsters.

So much ancient history destroyed. So many populations obliterated in the name of Muslim "progress" -- really the opposite given the advances made during the 20th Century.

Of the global corporate pirating profiteers whom Eisenhower deplored -- THEIR PROFITS are funded by the dumbass US taxpayers, provided by the US Military which is no longer permitted to protect and defend the US Constitutional Republic (no longer functioning).

Too big to fail? Who is still buying?

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 02:59 PM (BAnPT)

203 Before the "Bush ruined my life" argument gets going, I just thought I would tell you who I predict will be the democrat candidate for 2016:

MICHELLE OBAMA

It will keep the personality cult going, sort of like Eva Peron did.

Now chew on that for a while.

By the way, Bush wasn't perfect, but I sure do miss having someone in office who loved our country and supported the troops. Also, 5% unemployment.

Posted by: Miss Marple at November 27, 2012 03:02 PM (GoIUi)

204 There is no justification for genocide. And the genocides resulting from US interventionist wars (to profit global corporations, not US taxpayers let alone US workers)

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 02:59 PM (BAnPT)

I hope you choke on your gold coins.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 03:04 PM (m2CN7)

205 They're from Act Up.

What is this, 1985?

AIDS is so retro.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2012 03:04 PM (T0NGe)

206 ...(sniff snort) and then she said, "With one of these, I can get as many of those as I want."

Posted by: Slick Willie O' at November 27, 2012 03:05 PM (rzTDZ)

207 Wrong thread.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 27, 2012 03:06 PM (T0NGe)

208 Bush campaigned on school reform in 2000. It was not a pander. Its main thrust was accountability.

His main thrust was School Choice. Little talk of the largest federal spending on education ever. It was co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy for fuck’s sake.

It has not been proven to be a failure in the least.

I didn’t say it was a failure. Like every other federal incursion on education, it’s an expensive way to avoid facing the fact that the schools are fine, the kids have changed. For conservatives, it was definitely a Consistency Fail.

And you sound like the left in describing the WMD issue.

No, I’m just a conservative who passed on the Kool Aid.

Social Security reform was Bush’s only courageous endeavor, and he folded like a tent. I don’t mean to be harsh, but with Jeb hinting at a run I want to send the Bushes a clear message: No Thanks.

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 03:06 PM (9KqcB)

209
Speaking of choking, remember the guy who dropped dead after a roach eating contest? He died from roach. He barfed and choked.

Posted by: Walkers! at November 27, 2012 03:08 PM (TYO2p)

210 Miss Marple

Go figure how ordering suicidal rules of engagement and perpetual redeployment into wars with no design beyond never ending "supported the troops".

Compassionate conservatism sold really well in season. Relabel, "new, improved" ... the lengths politicians will go to gain public sympathy/support.

No argument that the Bush family shows up to cheer on the troops. But lip service only goes so far when combat is perpetuated, designed to go on forever, with no constitutional purpose. Rather, for global profiteering, blood money.

It's easy to be attracted to and seduced by good manners. An old Nazi professor scoffed at his class, "You can say anything you like so long as you smile." The most frequent response after being conned? "He seemed like such a nice man."

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 03:12 PM (BAnPT)

211 I hope you choke on your gold coins.

Posted by: polynikes

But of course you would.

And exactly how many personal acquaintances have you who lived in the Middle East prior to the end of Carter's administration? Did you ever spend years abroad in the Middle East, teaching perhaps? pfft. Thought not.


Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 03:16 PM (BAnPT)

212 No , school choice was just part of Bush's overall Education reform plan in the 2000 campaign. Acccountability of schools and teacherswas the main focus.

And in regard to drinking theKool Aid , I guess one of Bush's main critics, Hans Blix,drank the Kool Aidwhen he reported that there was over 1000 documentedtons of VX gas that was never accounted for.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 03:21 PM (m2CN7)

213 203 Before the "Bush ruined my life" argument gets going, I just thought I would tell you who I predict will be the democrat candidate for 2016:

MICHELLE OBAMA


You know, this was the very firstest thing I thought when I heard the "our ground game doesn't translate to other Democrats" bullshit.

12 more years of this shit, motherfuckers.

Posted by: Rob McNeece at November 27, 2012 03:23 PM (hNXHo)

214 Posted by: panzernashorn at November 27, 2012 03:16 PM (BAnPT)

10friends or family. What's yourpoint pyscho?

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 03:24 PM (m2CN7)

215 "Yes, housing subsidies have saddled people with homes they cannot afford."

No. No, they did not.

The subsidies encouraged people to foolishly overcommit. The saddling was a result of this personal foolishness.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at November 27, 2012 03:32 PM (aCsVZ)

216 http://tinyurl.com/botvdpo

Posted by: LaFemmeGordita at November 27, 2012 03:36 PM (MoRk/)

217 @43

Captain America, without irony, in The Avengers: "There is only one God, ma'am, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that."

Startled me, that did.


Posted by: Troll Feeder at November 27, 2012 03:38 PM (aCsVZ)

218 MICHELLE OBAMA Hey, wouldn't she at least have to be coronated as a Senator or Mayor or something - like Hilary - before she gets to be President? Let's give Hilary 4 to 8 years before Michelle. 16-20 years is the math I believe.

Posted by: RM at November 27, 2012 03:46 PM (TRsME)

219 Maybe the "Well-Used Vagina"?

Posted by: JS at November 27, 2012 04:27 PM (3zMPc)

220 Iguess one of Bush's main critics, Hans Blix,drank the Kool Aidwhen he reported that there was over 1000 documentedtons of VX gas that was never accounted for.

Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 03:21 PM (m2CN7)

Go ahead and keep fighing that fight,poly. If a Democrat made Bush's WMD oopsie-daisy, we'd never let them forget it. I'm not going to pretend it wasn't a humilating, costly error.

Posted by: CJ at November 27, 2012 05:04 PM (9KqcB)

221 Only Democrats care about skin color.

Posted by: K~Bob channels Steevy at November 27, 2012 05:36 PM (g2ogH)

222 The reason The Vagina works so well as the message that got Obama elected is, it represents a Yawning Chasm of Need, Waiting to be Filled, Never Satisfied.

Posted by: Carl at November 27, 2012 06:51 PM (xsGW+)

223 Posted by: polynikes at November 27, 2012 03:24 PM (m2CN7)

Ronulan, methinks. They tend to overplay their hand and reveal how unhinged they actually are beneath the "true conservative" veneer. Sure, keywords like "Illuminati" and "Jewish lobby" out you immediately as a bona fide tinfoil hatter, but subtlety can only get you so far when you demonstrate the ability to say words and phrases like "military industrial complex" and "global corporations are responsible for every US war in history" with a straight face.

I used to give them a little bit of benefit of the doubt because their Constitutional talk sounded pretty. After this past election, though? Hie thee to thy concrete bunkers, for I'll not entertain thee.

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor has no pity at November 27, 2012 06:51 PM (WE5bx)

224 Twits for Twats!!

Posted by: Hangtown Bob at November 28, 2012 10:14 AM (udH4/)

225 "If we could get those some air time I think it would be a start. But as we all know getting the air time is the first problem, and I fear we have hit a point where it's a hurdle too high."

Is getting air time difficult, or is it just expensive? There are conservatives with money, right?

If conservatives expect to make any progress into pop culture we'll have to grow a spine and stop self-censoring. People will never be persuaded by ideas we never share.

Posted by: GalosGann at November 28, 2012 04:24 PM (T3KlW)

226 If you go to YouTube and search for "Free to Choose" you can watch the entire season right there on your PC. What funny, not funny haha but funny I'm laughing so I don't cry, is that nearly everything that Milton talks about in the show applies today. Plus you get to see a young Thomas Sowell.

Posted by: HeftyJo at November 28, 2012 06:20 PM (EN3UW)






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